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[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it.." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder..." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House", ">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House", ">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?", ">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House", ">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?", ">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.", ">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House", ">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?", ">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.", ">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.", ">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative." ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House", ">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?", ">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.", ">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.", ">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.", ">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts" ]

[ "Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.", ">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.", ">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.", ">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.", ">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.", ">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.", ">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house", ">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.", ">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power", ">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.", ">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.", ">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.", ">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.", ">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.", ">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.", ">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..", ">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.", ">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.", ">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.", ">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.", ">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.", ">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.", ">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"", ">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.", ">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?", ">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.", ">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?", ">\n\nThe house ethics office", ">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.", ">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…", ">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.", ">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.", ">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.", ">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.", ">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.", ">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing", ">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.", ">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.", ">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.", ">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.", ">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.", ">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n​\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.", ">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.", ">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.", ">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.", ">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.", ">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.", ">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name", ">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.", ">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.", ">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.", ">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.", ">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble", ">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.", ">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.", ">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.", ">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.", ">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.", ">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.", ">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.", ">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.", ">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?", ">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?", ">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.", ">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.", ">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.", ">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump", ">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.", ">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.", ">\n\nDo not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion.", ">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.", ">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.", ">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.", ">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.", ">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.", ">\n\nWell I am his constituency.", ">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.", ">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.", ">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...", ">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?", ">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.", ">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…", ">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.", ">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal", ">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.", ">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?", ">\n\nPlease do not submit low investment content. This subreddit is for genuine discussion. Low effort content, including memes, links substituting for explanation, sarcasm, and non-substantive contributions will be removed per moderator discretion.", ">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House", ">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?", ">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.", ">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.", ">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.", ">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts", ">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)" ]