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I think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.
As far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.
Some of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud."
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How should the US house handle these revelations?
"Should" and "will" are two different things.
They should expel him. They will do nothing.
How will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...
Not even one single iota.
Should voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?
No, they shouldn't waste their time. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms."
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It seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election."
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Well, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024.
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians"
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024."
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The voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win."
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Personally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position.
Traditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years."
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Prosecute him.
Recall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\not accept him.
Have a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired."
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This is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.
Politicians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing."
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I'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.
The House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age.
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail."
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Very easy solution.
He should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone"
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so."
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Republicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over
If they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?"
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Refusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed"
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on ."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham"
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out"
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Everyone predicting his demise is overreacting. There are enough GOP voters who would rather see the seat held by a craven liar than any Democrat, because they all believe the Democrats are worse.
GOP efforts to protect him will be seen ss justified to protect against Democrats, and in two years the only thing people will remember is that he has an (R) next to his name. | [
"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out",
">\n\nIf there’s anything the GOP has learned from Trump it’s that the best way to deal with a scandal is to ignore it until the media moves on to something else. Even a conviction on federal crimes doesn’t automatically disqualify you from holding your seat until the end of your term, so with such a slim majority there’s really no way he’s leaving Congress, especially considering he won such a solidly blue seat that would flip back. One can only hope that the Democrats who voted red bEcAuSe cRiMe or whatever manufactured issue it was that caused the GOP to overperform in NY would come to their senses in the special election should one occur."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out",
">\n\nIf there’s anything the GOP has learned from Trump it’s that the best way to deal with a scandal is to ignore it until the media moves on to something else. Even a conviction on federal crimes doesn’t automatically disqualify you from holding your seat until the end of your term, so with such a slim majority there’s really no way he’s leaving Congress, especially considering he won such a solidly blue seat that would flip back. One can only hope that the Democrats who voted red bEcAuSe cRiMe or whatever manufactured issue it was that caused the GOP to overperform in NY would come to their senses in the special election should one occur.",
">\n\nEveryone predicting his demise is overreacting. There are enough GOP voters who would rather see the seat held by a craven liar than any Democrat, because they all believe the Democrats are worse.\nGOP efforts to protect him will be seen ss justified to protect against Democrats, and in two years the only thing people will remember is that he has an (R) next to his name."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out",
">\n\nIf there’s anything the GOP has learned from Trump it’s that the best way to deal with a scandal is to ignore it until the media moves on to something else. Even a conviction on federal crimes doesn’t automatically disqualify you from holding your seat until the end of your term, so with such a slim majority there’s really no way he’s leaving Congress, especially considering he won such a solidly blue seat that would flip back. One can only hope that the Democrats who voted red bEcAuSe cRiMe or whatever manufactured issue it was that caused the GOP to overperform in NY would come to their senses in the special election should one occur.",
">\n\nEveryone predicting his demise is overreacting. There are enough GOP voters who would rather see the seat held by a craven liar than any Democrat, because they all believe the Democrats are worse.\nGOP efforts to protect him will be seen ss justified to protect against Democrats, and in two years the only thing people will remember is that he has an (R) next to his name.",
">\n\nHow is it not illegal to lie about your credentials if you’re running for a government position? Also, what kind of campaign manager let him do this?"
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out",
">\n\nIf there’s anything the GOP has learned from Trump it’s that the best way to deal with a scandal is to ignore it until the media moves on to something else. Even a conviction on federal crimes doesn’t automatically disqualify you from holding your seat until the end of your term, so with such a slim majority there’s really no way he’s leaving Congress, especially considering he won such a solidly blue seat that would flip back. One can only hope that the Democrats who voted red bEcAuSe cRiMe or whatever manufactured issue it was that caused the GOP to overperform in NY would come to their senses in the special election should one occur.",
">\n\nEveryone predicting his demise is overreacting. There are enough GOP voters who would rather see the seat held by a craven liar than any Democrat, because they all believe the Democrats are worse.\nGOP efforts to protect him will be seen ss justified to protect against Democrats, and in two years the only thing people will remember is that he has an (R) next to his name.",
">\n\nHow is it not illegal to lie about your credentials if you’re running for a government position? Also, what kind of campaign manager let him do this?",
">\n\nIf he was a democrat he would be either forced to resign or be at least censured. I believe the republicans have drank the poison and no longer care about the quality of character of their members just loyalty to party. It will send a great message of encouragement to future law makers..."
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out",
">\n\nIf there’s anything the GOP has learned from Trump it’s that the best way to deal with a scandal is to ignore it until the media moves on to something else. Even a conviction on federal crimes doesn’t automatically disqualify you from holding your seat until the end of your term, so with such a slim majority there’s really no way he’s leaving Congress, especially considering he won such a solidly blue seat that would flip back. One can only hope that the Democrats who voted red bEcAuSe cRiMe or whatever manufactured issue it was that caused the GOP to overperform in NY would come to their senses in the special election should one occur.",
">\n\nEveryone predicting his demise is overreacting. There are enough GOP voters who would rather see the seat held by a craven liar than any Democrat, because they all believe the Democrats are worse.\nGOP efforts to protect him will be seen ss justified to protect against Democrats, and in two years the only thing people will remember is that he has an (R) next to his name.",
">\n\nHow is it not illegal to lie about your credentials if you’re running for a government position? Also, what kind of campaign manager let him do this?",
">\n\nIf he was a democrat he would be either forced to resign or be at least censured. I believe the republicans have drank the poison and no longer care about the quality of character of their members just loyalty to party. It will send a great message of encouragement to future law makers...",
">\n\nIt's fraud. He should be removed from the position, prosecuted, and jailed for this.\nThe people elected someone else who isn't him. He doesn't get to serve in place of a fantasy"
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"Sadly the House GOP will do nothing with such a slim majority. And the voters will have to wait until 2024 to vote him out, if he doesn't resign.",
">\n\nThe NYT just reported the Republican Nassau County District Attorney is investigating Santos. The Republicans desperately want him out in any attempt to retain the seat. They can appoint a replacement with a prayer of winning next time.",
">\n\nThere will be a special election more than likely. The GOP isn't going to risk their slim majority on the hope of winning a special election. Especially after this shit storm.",
">\n\nThe majority is slim, but not that slim. They can afford to lose one seat. And McCarthy surely can’t expel him until after he wins leadership. I think if he just keeps his cards close to his chest he will have the option.",
">\n\nYou've seen how the Democrat senate struggled against Manchin and Sinema right? The House Republicans are treating Sinema as their role model, all of them want a pound of flesh from the Speaker. Personal concessions on everything. \nTheir majority isn't that slim, but their party unity is over.",
">\n\n“Their party unity is over.”\nI have heard that prediction so many times before. It never works out that way.\nThis is less contentious than the battle for House GOP leadership was in 2017. And just like 2017, the Republicans will fall into line and support their leadership.",
">\n\nHow at all is it less contentious than 2017? As of right now, 5 days before the new congress is sworn in: Kevin McCarthy doesn’t even have the votes to be speaker of the house",
">\n\nThe newest black eye for George is questions about accuracy of mandatory campaign financing, both for 2020 and 2022. Lying on these statements are a crime. \nProsecutors in New York are looking if any crimes have been committed.",
">\n\nI’d argue they are the district court with the most power",
">\n\nIn the country yea, definitely.",
">\n\nRepublicans in the House do not want him ousted, he himself has no shame so he will stay just like many other disgraced Republican until his constituency gives him the boot. Some, including, one Republican requested an ethics investigation; many Democrats have requested the same and DOJ may investigate whether he broke any laws with respect to his fund-raising. If he had any shame, he would have resigned on his own.",
">\n\nAs far as the voters, there’s two fallouts from this. The obvious one is, what kind of electoral backlash there will be against Santos; I suspect that if he doesn’t resign he’ll be successfully primaried in two years. The second fallout is, how no one else did the due diligence to uncover this earlier. Not just the GOP, but the press (one local paper did a little bit of coverage before the elections on the fiscal irregularities, but newsday and the NYC dailies didn’t pick up on it), as well as the democrats for lousy oppo research. Institutions all around failing to do the basics, so even less trust in those institutions.",
">\n\nIf it comes out the company he had for only a year and brought in millions in business was somehow used to funnel campaign contributions, that will likely result in criminal charges in which case he'll be pressured to resign by his own party (the GOP won't want to expel him themselves, although they might if he gets convicted). If it wasn't and he just lied about everything, he'll probably keep digging his heels in like he is now and get primaried/beaten in 2 years.",
">\n\nI'm curious about money laundering potential.. from Bolsinero (perhaps) which would be multiple crimes.",
">\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different. \nIf they lied and cheated I don’t want them working for me.",
">\n\n\nI terminate people I’ve hired if they lied on their resume why should our government be different.\n\nbecause this particular government position is an elected one; the people in his district hired him. \nhe's accountable to his constituency, if they care, they'll do something about it..",
">\n\nTrue, but there's no mechanism for his constituency to do anything about it until the next election.",
">\n\nWhat about a recall election. Enough signatures on a petition should get that done.",
">\n\nMembers of Congress cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nThanks. I wonder what McCarthy or whoever is chosen to herd the cats in the Republican led House will do with this Liar.",
">\n\nAs a die hard Republican, I feel he should be removed from office if it is egregious as they say. There are a lot of scumbags in congress on the right and left who should be removed.",
">\n\nIf I were in the house I'd be inclined to vote for him to be expelled. I'd want to do some investigating first, and triplecheck everything, as well as giving him a chance to make counter-arguments.\nBut I have high standards; it's harder to say what 'should' an institution do. Generally speaking, I think accountability and consequences make things better.",
">\n\nIt's a weird sort of in between problem, in my opinion, because he hasn't actually taken office yet. So no one can do anything right now because he has met the Constitutional minimal to be seated. The question then is, should the House expel him for actions taken before he was a Congressman? This is a bit less obvious than if he committed financial fraud while in office or whatnot, I think.\n(The parallel I'm sort of thinking of is Alcee Hastings, who was a federal judge, was impeached and removed from office, and then subsequently elected to Congress. I think the belief at the time was that the voters knew about all that and elected him anyway, although the obvious rejoinder is that the whole point of this scandal is that people didn't know until after the election.)",
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">\n\nThe voters of New York are stuck with him. There is no provision for recall of a Congressman.\n\n\"Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting. ... \" Source\n\nThe House should expel him as a first order of business. We should all want to see the Resolution to Expel offered, debated and brought to a vote. \nBecause expulsion can occur based on a two-thirds majority of those members of the House present and voting, I predict that Republicans will simply choose not to be present or voting and will allow him to be expelled by Democrats rather than go on the record either \"against the party\" of \"in favor of sleaze.\"",
">\n\nHe raised money based on lies- thats fraud. He should be prosecuted and forced out of office. A new special election can be held.",
">\n\nAre we going to do this for every elected official who lies? How easy is it to throw a Presidential election?",
">\n\nThere are major differences here. This guy completely made up who he was, who his family was, etc. to appeal specifically to voters in his district. While not illegal, completely unethical. You have to ask those voters, knowing what they do about him now, would they still vote to elect him? My guess is the majority would not. \nThis doesn't take into account where he suddenly got all this money from that he didn't have 3 years ago.",
">\n\nWho gets to decide which lies are worth ignoring vs which lies are enough to get removed from his office?",
">\n\nThe house ethics office",
">\n\nIf nothing else, this probably just skyrocketed his chances for re-election in his district among his Republican voters because so much attention is being drawn to it; they probably feel as though it's the \"libs being owned\" and are 100% on board with it.\nBut that's just my speculation based on six years of spite.",
">\n\nIt is a Biden+10 district in New York, it’s not some random trump+35 seat in Kansas or Utah…",
">\n\nIt really is a testament to how badly Democrats in NY fumbled the bag that this dude won in a Biden +10 seat by nearly double digits. \nOutperformed Biden by nearly 20 points. In a national environment that was basically even.",
">\n\nExactly, and Kathy Hochul has proven exactly why she’s the worst possible person to lead the party in that state.",
">\n\nHe should be treated the same as any other prospective employee who lied on their CV to obtain a position or promotion.",
">\n\nSounds nice, but the Constitution makes no provisions for that.",
">\n\npedantically it does imho:\nthere's a reason for catchall provisions that can handle any sort of misconduct without enumerating all the different kinds.\nArt 1 Section 5:\nEach House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.\nEach House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.",
">\n\nYes but the house is republican and can't afford to lose a single member so they will do nothing",
">\n\nCorrect. The GOP no longer has any integrity as a party. They will sit this guy and likely not even bother with an ethics investigation, which is just bullshit anyway.",
">\n\nNothing unless he has committed financial crimes as well (which is likely). But this should be his only term in Congress.",
">\n\nGreg Gianforte was convicted of assault and still kept his seat. By comparison, Santos didn't do anything illegal nor as blatantly nefarious - he's not going anywhere.",
">\n\nHe has zero chance of re-election. Every Jew in New York will be spitting on his campaign posters. If the Republican party is smart, they'll replace him somehow. But they'd rather keep him for the short-term benefits of having one more vote.",
">\n\nThat has been their MO for quite some time now, short term gain for long term pain. He destroyed his political career before it took off. This is also going to damage the republican party in that location as well.",
">\n\nI vote mostly Republican (except for Jimmy Carter) and I say remove him from office.\nIf I lie on my job resume, I get fired.\nIf I lie on my citizenship application, I get deported. If I lie on my firearm application, I don’t get the gun. If I lie on my mortgage application, I don’t get the house. If I lie to the insurance company, they decline coverage.\nAnd so on. Liars and embellishers can’t be trusted. There should be zero tolerance.",
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">\n\nI think they should blacklist him for committee assignments, at least any coveted ones. Then Republicans need to back a Republican challenger in 2024, I'm sure democrats will try to take the district back as well. If he wins in 2024, so be it, at least the voters were informed on his true background. \n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.",
">\n\n\nHow did this guy win? Pro Trump, anti abortion. Biden won the district by + 10. The incumbent democrat won in 2020 +16.4, won in 2018 +18, 2016 +5.6(first elected to office). Only thing I see is that he ran for New York governor, so maybe that soured a lot of people on him? Exposed him as a corporate democrat? IDK, seems really weird, democrats need to take a hard look in the mirror here.\n\nI live in this district, so I will try to provide some insight.\nYes, democrats outnumber republicans in this district. After redistricting, however, it became slightly less blue (went from a Biden +10 to a Biden +8 district, FiveThirtyEight has it from D+6 to D+4 so it's more \"lean blue\" than \"solid blue\"). The district also now encompasses a lot more of southern Nassau County which is very pro-Trump (I can attest to personally seeing many Trump 2024 flags on houses in this area).\nThe previous democratic incumbent you are referring to, Tom Suozzi, did run for governor and thus was not eligible to run for re-election in his house seat, so this was a race between two newcomers (Zimmerman (D) and Santos (R)). On top of that, the top line ticket was for the governor race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin. Lee Zeldin is very popular on Long Island and won Nassau County by 10 points despite Nassau going strongly for Biden in 2020. Santos' victory was likely the down ballot effect of having Zeldin on the ballot.\nIn addition, the republicans had much better ground game in this district. There were yard signs for Zeldin and Santos just about everywhere while signs for Hochul and Zimmerman were non-existent. I also received multiple mailers from the NYRCC just about every day in the month leading up to the election and the anti-crime messaging that the republicans stuck with resonated much more strongly with voters than what the democrats were putting out.\nTLDR: republican turnout was much stronger than expected in this district.\nEither that or there were election shenanigans we don't know about.",
">\n\nThank you. Hopefully, the local democrats get there shit together for 2024.",
">\n\nMcCarthy won't do anything to upset the slim majority that the Republicans have over the democrats. McCarthy is too political.",
">\n\nI’m in his district and the best I can do is make sure that I call or email his office and hold his fear to the fire with every lie and decision. When it comes time for him to be re-elected I am going to be volunteering and screaming at the Democratic Party to out more money and energy into this district. I am so pissed off that a POS like him is representing me.",
">\n\nBe angry but keep in mind it's the voters that fucked up more than anyone else. Santos was openly a Trump-Taylor Greene type. He didn't lie about what he really was.",
">\n\ni know. sadly i live in a maga area of NY. they would vote for satan if he had an R by his name",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the car parades to start up again. Sigh.",
">\n\ni’m going to the gym to make sure my middle finger has maximum endurance.",
">\n\nIt’s New York. Honest people who go into politics get crushed like grapes, while thieves in suits get first dibs on the tastiest parts of the budget and whatever legislative interns of whom they demand jus primae noctis privileges. \nWe’re not upset he lied. We’re upset he’s not serious about the craft.",
">\n\nNot a Santos fan, but if lying while running for office disqualified you from serving in the House, then nobody would serve in the House. Santos is an especially egregious example, but I don't think the lying makes the House do anything, especially with a Republican majority. My guess is that he serves two years and the voters give him the boot, unless he gets indicted and convicted for a crime before then.",
">\n\nHey perjured himself in FeC filings. It might land him in real trouble",
">\n\nIt might. Or it might not. Like I said, if he gets indicted and convicted, he's getting kicked out of the House. Unless and until that happens, he'll be in office. The Republican majority is too thin for them to take a chance on the seat flipping for anything less.",
">\n\nAnd it’ll probably take a while anyhow.",
">\n\nYou will most likely get fired if you lie on an employment application. People voted for him based on the qualifications he provided, which were false. The real question is the $700,000 he used to fund his campaign, which he claimed was his money. Apparently cannot back that up either, which is a campaign finance violation.",
">\n\nI hope NY had a mechanism for recall elections, but I doubt it. Most states lack such a feature for representatives and senators. \nJust one more example of our system's undemocratic nature coming back to bite us.",
">\n\nAll states lack that ability for federal offices.",
">\n\nI was briefly a district chair for a political party and I can attest that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everyone. In some cases it was a miracle just to get someone to commit to running for office; it's hard work and people are always ready to tear you down. \nHaving said that, I think you open up a pandora's box by throwing someone out that committed no crime and was duly elected. After all, our current chief executive was caught plagiarizing years ago, but he's still in the business.",
">\n\n\nLike Malania\n\nWhen was she ever an elected official? Literally nothing comparable with what the person you responded to said. Grow up.",
">\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits. If I have to hear about how Hunters laptop would’ve lost Joe the election one more time.",
">\n\n\nSpouses and children should be off limits.\n\nI mostly agree, especially young children, but there could be circumstances. If the spouse or child gets special favors ie. government contracts, special jobs because of political favors, etc. you don’t think that should be fair game?",
">\n\nSo you mean like Ivanka and Jared getting positions they weren’t qualified for?",
">\n\nThat’s exactly what I mean.",
">\n\nIt’s not against the law to lie. \nStupid voters should learn their lesson and stop voting in conmen/women Republicans. The whole party is campaigning on “alternative facts” because the voters don’t care. \nIt’s not the party, it’s the voters. Honest republicans who believe in reasonable government run, and they’re blasted by both the Republican base and the crazy left who have decided that sensationalizing like Republicans was a winning strategy. \nThe party is the voters. The majority gets what they want. This only ends when people stop wanting bald faced lying conmen to represent them.\nAnd how many of you would vote for an honest Republican over a conman Democrat? Sure, you’ll say you would but you wouldn’t. \nThis polarization is going to be the death of democracy.",
">\n\nWHERE WAS DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION RESEARCH? I think he checked enough “protected class” boxes, Gay, minority, immigrant, etc.. that they backed off.",
">\n\nThey sent it to the media, who sat on it because they're were too busy blaming Democrats for the COVID jobloss induced crime bump",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me how this isn’t fraud? Presumably he raised money online, so isn’t this federal wire fraud, to say nothing of the state law aspects. Like, if this isn’t illegal, our laws are even more broken than I could have imagined.",
">\n\nOh absolutely it’s fraud, but not illegal unfortunately unless he broke campaign finance laws.",
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">\n\nPoliticians lie and fabricate constantly. Any investigation regarding lies should include all Politicians.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations?\n\nthe house cant fire an elected representative for lying to their voters about their qualifications..if thats what you're asking. \nthis really is kind of a non-issue.",
">\n\nThey can still investigate or expel him if he committed any serious crimes. Not sure why you think it’s a non-issue.",
">\n\n\nNot sure why you think it’s a non-issue.\n\nBecause it's a scandal. Lying on your resume isn't a crime, he was still elected to office.\nIt's just like MTG or Boebert (no clue how to spell her name, don't care), deplorable people, but their constituency elected them to serve, unless you live in either district, there's nothing anyone else can do about who they picked to represent them.\nLying to your constituency isn't a crime.\nIf he's found guilty of a crime, absolutely there should and would be consequences, but all anyone has right now is 'he lied'...so? Politicians constantly lie.",
">\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election. If his constituents decided they no longer want him to represent them that should count for something.\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue. Find me someone who fabricated their entire work history and lied about obtaining their degree.",
">\n\n\nBut he wasn’t caught on any of these lies until shortly after the election.\n\nThere is a constitutional remediation for this, and it's the following election. I'm not sure why people are having trouble understanding a very very basic tenet of democracy...your own rep is the only rep you have influence over and that influence is either voting or lobbying.\n\n“All politicians lie” is a dishonest obfuscation of the issue.\n\nIt's not really an 'issue' for anyone but his constituency and law enforcement.",
">\n\nWell I am his constituency.",
">\n\nNeat, then don't vote for him again.",
">\n\nI never voted for him in the first place. But I have every damn right to be upset he conned his way into being my representative.",
">\n\nBeing upset isn't the same as elected officeholders removing another elected officeholder...",
">\n\nI am aware there is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion. What I take issue with is you claiming this to be a \"non-issue\" under the guise of \"all politicians lie\" and trying to sweep it under the rug. This is not a typical politician spinning or exaggerating his resume, this is a guy who invented his entire background. Why do we continue to excuse this kind of behavior?",
">\n\nIs this a case where a deliberate smear campaign is the ethically correct thing to do?\nI mean if he stays in office, that means ipso facto that the political system is broken.\nIn which case, our collective personal sovereignty would have a valid ethical case for unofficial disciplinary action.\nRemember Santorum? Let's do that with this guy.",
">\n\nI’m pretty sure no politician literally fabricates their entire life story (which he literally did, including his sexual orientation), and then goes from a net worth of $54,000 to over a million in one calendar year…",
">\n\nTo me, a lie is a lie. My only point is that they all lie and I have no faith or trust in any politician. That’s why I never vote for the same politician twice. Almost all get rich(er) after elected. Should he be gone, absolutely, just like most of them.",
">\n\nOk, but most politicans aren’t getting russian banks to make them rich in a single year. \nWhat he did went beyond criminal",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\nBetter question should be “why” should the House handle it at all. Many politicians embellish their resumes. Voters picked him. Done.",
">\n\nHe lied about literally everything though. At what point do you draw the line? How much lying is too much, is there no limit?",
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">\n\nThey should pretty much censure him from holding any significant roles in the House",
">\n\nCan the voters recall him? Can they call a special election within the county? Can Dems sue for a recall? Citizens petition for a recall?",
">\n\nCongressional representatives cannot be recalled. There is no mechanism to remove him short of expulsion (unlikely) or pressuring him to resign (also unlikely). \nWe can only hope serious reforms are made in the future to prevent people like this from even running for office.",
">\n\nI did a little digging after my comment. There are some states (not NY) that have citizens petition recall written into law - for the state level only. There definitely needs to be a mechanism at all state and national level. \nBaring that, there are attorneys general efforts at finding criminal culpability in the elected official. Does that end up disqualifying the elected official? I wonder if there is a path.",
">\n\nTechnically no, but it would put immense pressure on him to resign or the GOP to expel him. You can have a criminal in jail serving as a congressional representative.",
">\n\nAll long Island ny congressional districts are close races. The gop can't just ignore this or it will spill over into neighboring districts",
">\n\nThey’re gonna have to ignore it. They don’t have a governing majority (if they even want to). If trumps on the ballot in 24, those seats are already doomed anyway, New York has a special kind of bad relationship with Trump, and that’ll hurt them downballot (at least in the areas that are close to NYC like Long Island)",
">\n\nIf he had ANY ethics he would resign. But since he fails to admit the moral and ethical bankruptcy of bald face lying to the electorate, the house republicans will continue to support him, because they are as morally and ethically corrupt as he is. His voters should sue him for fraud.",
">\n\nI think it's up to the voters to make good decisions. Most of what has come up about this clown had already been publicly discovered way before the election. He was legally elected. The public has spoken.\nAs far as what the House does, certainly he will be penalized by the Republican leadership in terms of committee assignments. But then, in retaliation, Republicans will spend tens of $millions researching every little detail on the background of every single Democratic member of the House and anyone who has fudged the least little detail of their resume is going to be raked over the coals by Fox et al for the next two years and some Democrats will also be denied committee assignments and will suffer other Republican-assessed penalties.\nSome of this stuff about Democrats (and other Republicans BTW) is already public but so minor nobody made a big deal about it. Expect that to change. Expect a bloodletting.",
">\n\n\nHow should the US house handle these revelations? \n\n\"Should\" and \"will\" are two different things. \nThey should expel him. They will do nothing. \n\nHow will this affects McCarthy’s speakership bid...\n\nNot even one single iota.\n\nShould voters in his district request investigations or their punitive measures?\n\nNo, they shouldn't waste their time.",
">\n\nThey have a four seat majority, and four other members were highlighted by name in the Jan6 report. That’s pretty damn slim.",
">\n\nHe will become the poster boy for all members of the GOP in Congress and what they stand for because like all the others in the GOP he's got absolutely no integrity and he got caught with his pants down so to speak.",
">\n\nA good and decent political party would force the man’s resignation. Republicans ate neither good nor decent so the newest liar will be welcomed with open arms.",
">\n\nWhen he gets voted out in 2024 will he still get a pension? That's fucked up if he does. I'd say the people should petition for a recall and special election.",
">\n\nIt seems to me every sitting politician has sociopathic tendencies and I don’t know why this revelation will affect any outcomes\nHe’s a opportunistic liar like every Republican and a vast majority of Democratic politicians",
">\n\nWell, I’d say he’ll probably get an ethics investigation, but most likely his tenure will end due to him losing his re-election bid, either in the primary or the general. He reminds me a lot of Cawthorn who got primaried after who-knows-how-many scandals. The only way I see Republicans having a chance at holding this seat is if Santos is successfully primaried by a strong, more moderate candidate or he doesn’t seek re-election. A special election would heavily favor Democrats as scandal-plagued incumbents place a liability on the incumbent’s party in specials regardless of how normal the new nominee is (examples include 2020 CA-25 special and 2022 NE-2 special) and obviously Santos will now have shit candidate quality. Furthermore, this district is Biden+8. Any Republican will have a hard time winning it in 2024. \nTl;dr George Santos is doomed in 2024.",
">\n\nHe should not be allowed to take the oath because he’s a known liar and we know how that story ends.",
">\n\nThe voters should vote him out next election and he should not be given significant committee assignments in an effort to make people forget about him. That said, I do not think he should be removed or that the House should refuse to seat him as I do not think there is a legally definable line where a falsehood told by a candidate is so egregious that it should effectively void their win.",
">\n\nThe House should refuse to seat him. But of course, they won't do that. McCarthy needs him to become Speaker, so just another case of the end justifies the means. Truth and honor mean nothing to modern day Republicans. Nothing at all.",
">\n\nPersonally, I don't think for a second that the GOP will do anything about this and for a much different reason than others have offered. I'm of the firm belief that, at the very least, the local/state GOP party is complicit in his fabrications and quite possibly the RNC as well since it is a national position. \nTraditionally, when a person considers campaigning, the GOP does a really deep vetting of that candidate's background which, most certainly, would have revealed these lies. The GOP wants to uncover all the skeletons so they can properly prepare a defense. IMO, what you are now witnessing is the defensive plan in action and it will go all the way up to the national level to protect him. Santos' part in this protection racket is to just fall in line. He'll be okay for at least 2 years.",
">\n\nThe House should deny him his seat and a New York Court should invalidate his election and order another one.",
">\n\n\nProsecute him.\nRecall him (if that is an option in the state) or ask congress to expel him\\not accept him.\nHave a special election to get someone in there who better represents the people.\n\nNot necessarily in that order.",
">\n\nIf we still had standards for politicians, he would resign. But we don't, that sailed decades ago. He won't win re-election with the baggage, but Rs aren't gonna force him out with the majority being so small. Nothing revealed so far reaches the Ethics level to justify expulsion.",
">\n\nIf I lied on a job application and my resume, I would assume I would be fired.",
">\n\nHe wasn't hired. He was elected. Far from the same thing.",
">\n\nThis is not on the House. He was elected. He is the choice of the people in his district. Absent evidence of a crime he should go on without harassment. Lying on the campaign trail is not a crime.\nPoliticians lie. This is no recent discovery. This is on the people of his district and their local media for not doing their part to vet the candidate during the campaign.\nThe candidates he faced in this race must have been among the worst. Not finding these things in opposition research is a huge fail.",
">\n\nI'd first appreciate anyone who actually voted for him to be the one's to voice a desire to remove him. Everyone else is meaningless. There may be some grounds of district citizens that may have been motivated otherwise, but literally everyone outside of the district has no reason to be involved in this matter.\nThe House should do nothing. If they could determine who voted for him and an amount equal or greater to the difference of who lost to him want him removed, then they may have grounds. But seeing as how obtaining such information is impossible in any verifiable manner, they should not remove a duly elected candidate. The only credentials that truly matter to the House are US citizenship, state residency, and age. \nI hate how obviously partisan the objection is on this matter.",
">\n\nVery easy solution.\nHe should be treated the exact way of his fellow lawmakers.... Sen Blumenthal (who lied about serving in Vietnam) Sen Warren (who lied about being Indian) Ilyan Omar (brother-husband) and Joe Biden (top of his class, grew up poor, Corn Pop,...). Strange how selective MSM is about “LIES”.",
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">\n\nNone of those are even in the same league here. But sadly this the right’s boilerplate response to Santos that the mindless drones will parrot until the issue goes away.",
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">\n\nAll politicians on both sides of the aisle do this and nothing ever seems to happen to them.",
">\n\nThe voters can issue a recall. Happens in CA everytime the governor upsets someone",
">\n\nNo they cannot. Congressional representatives cannot be recalled.",
">\n\nNY state could create a new process for doing so.",
">\n\nI think congresspeople will turn against him. Simply because now. every freelance reporter is going to go over every little thing a candidate claims. Why would people running for office want that?",
">\n\nRepublicans aren’t gonna turn against him in a way to force him out this term. Their majority is too small, and they’re already in chaos before they even take over \nIf they were a smart party (they’re not) they’d at least try and look like a serious governing party, because they’re already at very serious risk of losing in 2024, but they’d need total unity and a shift in strategy to do that, but they’re not going to. They’re going to grandstand and have very serious Division, due to the fact that they have like 15-20 members who represent Biden districts, who aren’t gonna vote for the crazy shit they want passed",
">\n\nRefusal to seat an elected person, or expulsion once seated, should be reserved for an extremely high bar of wrongdoing, and I don't think we are there yet with simple resume falsehoods. But there is a lot of smoke around his financials, and there could be a fire there. If there are financial crimes, that's a different story. At the very least there is a check fraud case still pending against him in Brazil.",
">\n\nhe should resign.\nbut if his constituents don't raise a huge fuss, his paymasters will still keep him on .",
">\n\nRemove from office and new election. We can’t let this stand in America we look like we have no laws or morals. We are a sham",
">\n\nThe mere fact that the GOP hasn't said much about the fabrications of Santos, confirms that the party has officially bottomed out",
">\n\nIf there’s anything the GOP has learned from Trump it’s that the best way to deal with a scandal is to ignore it until the media moves on to something else. Even a conviction on federal crimes doesn’t automatically disqualify you from holding your seat until the end of your term, so with such a slim majority there’s really no way he’s leaving Congress, especially considering he won such a solidly blue seat that would flip back. One can only hope that the Democrats who voted red bEcAuSe cRiMe or whatever manufactured issue it was that caused the GOP to overperform in NY would come to their senses in the special election should one occur.",
">\n\nEveryone predicting his demise is overreacting. There are enough GOP voters who would rather see the seat held by a craven liar than any Democrat, because they all believe the Democrats are worse.\nGOP efforts to protect him will be seen ss justified to protect against Democrats, and in two years the only thing people will remember is that he has an (R) next to his name.",
">\n\nHow is it not illegal to lie about your credentials if you’re running for a government position? Also, what kind of campaign manager let him do this?",
">\n\nIf he was a democrat he would be either forced to resign or be at least censured. I believe the republicans have drank the poison and no longer care about the quality of character of their members just loyalty to party. It will send a great message of encouragement to future law makers...",
">\n\nIt's fraud. He should be removed from the position, prosecuted, and jailed for this.\nThe people elected someone else who isn't him. He doesn't get to serve in place of a fantasy",
">\n\nThey voted for him, if he didn't break the law, they should keep him. It's not like they didn't lap up the lies they should have known about (pretend crime explosion)."
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">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?",
">\n\nBuilding an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?"
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Get in the keyboard, Shinji | [
"Building an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?",
">\n\nBuilding an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave"
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Is that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one. | [
"Building an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?",
">\n\nBuilding an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji"
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Beautiful. | [
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">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?",
">\n\nBuilding an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one."
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Wait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through? | [
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">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?",
">\n\nBuilding an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful."
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">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?",
">\n\nBuilding an EVA themed build too rn",
">\n\nBeautiful build !",
">\n\nWhere’d you get that James Webb thing?",
">\n\nBrave",
">\n\nGet in the keyboard, Shinji",
">\n\nIs that a dumpling glow lamp? I have one that looks just like that - might be the same one.",
">\n\nBeautiful.",
">\n\nWait, are the EVA-01 keycaps shine through?"
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Some key details:
In 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.
But his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.
According to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.
And from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card.
As they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do. | [] |
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So, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it? | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do."
] |
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Or door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret. | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?"
] |
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That's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:
...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions.
He claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address. | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret."
] |
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Just the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.
I wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office. | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address."
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Santos rolling in on the first day of his new job. | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office."
] |
>
As despicable as this "Santos" guy is, it's only getting more interesting. It's beginning to make me wonder if he's intentionally stringing people with all this cloak and dagger for some kind of long game.
The results of all these investigations will be intriguing at the least. | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office.",
">\n\nSantos rolling in on the first day of his new job."
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Or the investigations will quietly be dropped and you'll never hear about it again. Then in 10 years a stray thought will pop into your head as you're falling asleep "I wonder whatever happened to that George Santos guy?" | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office.",
">\n\nSantos rolling in on the first day of his new job.",
">\n\nAs despicable as this \"Santos\" guy is, it's only getting more interesting. It's beginning to make me wonder if he's intentionally stringing people with all this cloak and dagger for some kind of long game.\nThe results of all these investigations will be intriguing at the least."
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Why tf are his teeth so small. Swear all day he’s been posted and I hate him appearance alone | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office.",
">\n\nSantos rolling in on the first day of his new job.",
">\n\nAs despicable as this \"Santos\" guy is, it's only getting more interesting. It's beginning to make me wonder if he's intentionally stringing people with all this cloak and dagger for some kind of long game.\nThe results of all these investigations will be intriguing at the least.",
">\n\nOr the investigations will quietly be dropped and you'll never hear about it again. Then in 10 years a stray thought will pop into your head as you're falling asleep \"I wonder whatever happened to that George Santos guy?\""
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I don’t understand any of this. Don’t Republicans worship a pathological liar and vow to give their lives for his cause? Why is this guys lies so out of the norm? | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office.",
">\n\nSantos rolling in on the first day of his new job.",
">\n\nAs despicable as this \"Santos\" guy is, it's only getting more interesting. It's beginning to make me wonder if he's intentionally stringing people with all this cloak and dagger for some kind of long game.\nThe results of all these investigations will be intriguing at the least.",
">\n\nOr the investigations will quietly be dropped and you'll never hear about it again. Then in 10 years a stray thought will pop into your head as you're falling asleep \"I wonder whatever happened to that George Santos guy?\"",
">\n\nWhy tf are his teeth so small. Swear all day he’s been posted and I hate him appearance alone"
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Here’s the thing. He’s a dirtbag but he is doing nothing different that the pack of other grifters. He’s just a bit browner and pushed too hard. Always a bad combination. People look for reasons to be racist….don’t give them a handle. | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office.",
">\n\nSantos rolling in on the first day of his new job.",
">\n\nAs despicable as this \"Santos\" guy is, it's only getting more interesting. It's beginning to make me wonder if he's intentionally stringing people with all this cloak and dagger for some kind of long game.\nThe results of all these investigations will be intriguing at the least.",
">\n\nOr the investigations will quietly be dropped and you'll never hear about it again. Then in 10 years a stray thought will pop into your head as you're falling asleep \"I wonder whatever happened to that George Santos guy?\"",
">\n\nWhy tf are his teeth so small. Swear all day he’s been posted and I hate him appearance alone",
">\n\nI don’t understand any of this. Don’t Republicans worship a pathological liar and vow to give their lives for his cause? Why is this guys lies so out of the norm?"
] |
> | [
"Some key details:\n\n\n\nIn 2020 when he first ran for Congress, Santos listed no assets and a salary of $55,000 in his personal financial disclosure report filed as a House candidate.\n\n\nBut his 2022 personal financial disclosure report filed as a candidate subsequently showed his fortunes had drastically changed: He owned assets valued between $2.6 million and $11.25 million, including an apartment in Rio de Janeiro, a checking account and a savings account.\n\n\nAccording to the 2022 disclosure, he reported earning millions between January 2021 through December 2022 from his New York-based company, Devolder Organization. He also reported having a car loan worth between $15,001-$50,000.\n\n\n\nAnd from various other reports, preface that timeline with him being evicted from apartments in 2014 and 2017 for not paying rent, a lawsuit in 2015 over not paying back a $5,000 loan, and Discover winning a $2,000 judgement against him in 2018 over nonpayment of his credit card. \nAs they used to say in the Watergate days, follow the money. Used to say, and still do.",
">\n\nSo, what does this mean? Between 2015 and 2022 he either mysteriously came into assets totalling somewhere between 2.6 and 11.2 million or he always had those assets and lied about it?",
">\n\nOr door number 3, he has no real assets to speak of, the Devolder Organization is just a shell corp (he's given about three different versions of what it does to make money, and none of them really make sense), and the money that was spent on his campaign came from Russia or other sources that he felt that it was worth lying about on a federal election filing to keep secret.",
">\n\nThat's kind of what I was thinking too, thanks for that link, some interesting things I hadn't heard before:\n\n\n...recent report in the Daily Beast, Santos took some $56,000 from a Russian money man named Andrew Intrater - a cousin of Putin crony Viktor Vekselberg, who is under international sanctions. \n\n\nHe claims to now live in a rented apartment in a row house in Queens, however the Times reports that no one knows him at that address.",
">\n\nJust the combination of all the lies all point in the same direction.\nI wonder if he is even a US citizen, and if he is, when was he naturalized, since according to some accounts of colleagues, he claimed he was Brazilian. Naturalized citizens have to wait 7 years before running for office.",
">\n\nSantos rolling in on the first day of his new job.",
">\n\nAs despicable as this \"Santos\" guy is, it's only getting more interesting. It's beginning to make me wonder if he's intentionally stringing people with all this cloak and dagger for some kind of long game.\nThe results of all these investigations will be intriguing at the least.",
">\n\nOr the investigations will quietly be dropped and you'll never hear about it again. Then in 10 years a stray thought will pop into your head as you're falling asleep \"I wonder whatever happened to that George Santos guy?\"",
">\n\nWhy tf are his teeth so small. Swear all day he’s been posted and I hate him appearance alone",
">\n\nI don’t understand any of this. Don’t Republicans worship a pathological liar and vow to give their lives for his cause? Why is this guys lies so out of the norm?",
">\n\nHere’s the thing. He’s a dirtbag but he is doing nothing different that the pack of other grifters. He’s just a bit browner and pushed too hard. Always a bad combination. People look for reasons to be racist….don’t give them a handle."
] |
Same stupidity as the idiots who say, "Evolution is just a theory."
Learn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons. | [] |
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” Evolution is just a theory.”
My go to response, “So is gravity” | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons."
] |
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Don't we actually know more about evolution than gravity? | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”"
] |
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Yea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?"
] |
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Man with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution."
] |
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You malign 2nd graders…. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS."
] |
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A 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders…."
] |
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They consider teaching children facts they don't agree with "grooming" | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans"
] |
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There was a time when facts were not something to disagree with. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\""
] |
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Although he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with."
] |
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He doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places."
] |
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His base. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots."
] |
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Himself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base."
] |
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You think more people would've caught on by now. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron."
] |
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ode to derp
This would be a great band name. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now."
] |
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From the same logic-addled brain that brought us: "I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies." | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name."
] |
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First it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂 | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\""
] |
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Just for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...
No, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.
Climate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...
Extreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...
It means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂"
] |
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See, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump.
Global warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it."
] |
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Exactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming."
] |
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A week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th."
] |
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Twice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.
Election is over, wtf is garland waiting for? | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F."
] |
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I honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?"
] |
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Yeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!) | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference."
] |
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My man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)"
] |
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Jesus tapdancing Christ, not even pig shit is as thick as this man. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)",
">\n\nMy man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato"
] |
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Can we trade him for his weight in pig shit? | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)",
">\n\nMy man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato",
">\n\nJesus tapdancing Christ, not even pig shit is as thick as this man."
] |
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Probably not, because pig shit has actual value. Unlike Trump. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)",
">\n\nMy man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato",
">\n\nJesus tapdancing Christ, not even pig shit is as thick as this man.",
">\n\nCan we trade him for his weight in pig shit?"
] |
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Scientists drew a sharpie circle around it and it just fucking went away. Moron. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)",
">\n\nMy man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato",
">\n\nJesus tapdancing Christ, not even pig shit is as thick as this man.",
">\n\nCan we trade him for his weight in pig shit?",
">\n\nProbably not, because pig shit has actual value. Unlike Trump."
] |
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Science has never been his strong point. Or Math. Or English. Or Business Studies. Or… Well it’s a long list. | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)",
">\n\nMy man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato",
">\n\nJesus tapdancing Christ, not even pig shit is as thick as this man.",
">\n\nCan we trade him for his weight in pig shit?",
">\n\nProbably not, because pig shit has actual value. Unlike Trump.",
">\n\nScientists drew a sharpie circle around it and it just fucking went away. Moron."
] |
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Or Phys Ed. Or Home Ec. Or History. Or Industrial Arts. Or Chemistry. Or Biology. Or Study Hall. Or Detention ... | [
"Same stupidity as the idiots who say, \"Evolution is just a theory.\"\nLearn what words mean in the context they are used in, morons.",
">\n\n\n\n” Evolution is just a theory.”\n\n\nMy go to response, “So is gravity”",
">\n\nDon't we actually know more about evolution than gravity?",
">\n\nYea we sure do. In the grand scheme of things we don't really know how gravity works just that it does work. We know far far more about evolution.",
">\n\nMan with the intelligence of a second grader, if that, weighs in on an isolated weather matter as if it says anything about climate change (global warming) not being real. This moron was president of the United States, FFS.",
">\n\nYou malign 2nd graders….",
">\n\nA 2nd grader can be taught facts or groomed according to Republicans",
">\n\nThey consider teaching children facts they don't agree with \"grooming\"",
">\n\nThere was a time when facts were not something to disagree with.",
">\n\nAlthough he won't understand it, every 1 degree increase in GW causes 7% more moisture to be able to be held in the air. This increases both the amount of rain fall and snow fall, but because it also changes circulation patterns, it will often happen in unusual places.",
">\n\nHe doesn't have to or care to. The point is that he knows his statement sounds good to idiots.",
">\n\nHis base.",
">\n\nHimself. He doesn’t understand global warming. He is one of those idiots. It isn’t a character. He is truly a moron.",
">\n\nYou think more people would've caught on by now.",
">\n\n\node to derp\n\nThis would be a great band name.",
">\n\nFrom the same logic-addled brain that brought us: \"I couldn't have lost the election because I had big crowds at rallies.\"",
">\n\nFirst it was dead and illegal people voting, now it’s well, yep more people voted for Biden but but it’s because Twitter hid the Hunter story! Which cheating story do you want to stick with sirrrr? Lmao. You’ll never hear of fake ballots again, it’s voter manipulation now😂",
">\n\nJust for those ignorant fucks that still believe climate change and the badly named 'global warming' means that the weather is just continuously getting mildly warmer...\nNo, you need a slap with a wet newspaper on the nose.\nClimate change mainly means an increase of hither to uncommon extreme weather events...\nExtreme droughts, extreme rainfalls and inundations, extreme cold snaps and blizzards, etc. etc...\nIt means that all those 'once in a life-time' disasters are becoming more and more common place, and we're not in any way prepared to deal with any of it.",
">\n\nSee, people say ‘global warming’ is a bad term to use but that’s only because of uneducated fuckheads like Trump. \nGlobal warming is absolutely occurring. Climate change is the resulting product of that warming.",
">\n\nExactly. And btw, it's going to be above 50 in Buffalo tomorrow - December 30th.",
">\n\nA week ago in Chicago it was like -10°F. Today it was almost 60°F.",
">\n\nTwice impeached disgraced seditious rapist fails to understand the difference between weather and climate.\nElection is over, wtf is garland waiting for?",
">\n\nI honestly wonder if it's from ignorance, or because he knows his base doesn't know the difference.",
">\n\nYeah. I’m not so sure he really doesn’t get it. He’s most likely just speaking to his base who mostly are into denial. (And big oil that doesn’t care!!)",
">\n\nMy man, he changed the projected path of a hurricane, in a map he presented on national television, with sharpie. The dude is dumber than a baked potato",
">\n\nJesus tapdancing Christ, not even pig shit is as thick as this man.",
">\n\nCan we trade him for his weight in pig shit?",
">\n\nProbably not, because pig shit has actual value. Unlike Trump.",
">\n\nScientists drew a sharpie circle around it and it just fucking went away. Moron.",
">\n\nScience has never been his strong point. Or Math. Or English. Or Business Studies. Or… Well it’s a long list."
] |
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