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been for you so far?
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Hi Dev, thanks for having me on the show.
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has been
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in a way a continuation of
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right? there's still Trump in the news, pandemic is still ongoing.
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But I think here in Singapore, things are going relatively we'll so far.
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was an important year for you because you released the fifth anniversary edition of The Art of Charlie Chan of Chai, which is perhaps your most famous publication.
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Could you share a bit more about this edition?
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So this new edition is a new cover for one, which is designed by someone from Ethic Grand Books.
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and content wise
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i think the main updates would be a sort of preface so what do you call that the thing at the end of the book by paul gravette what's the
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afterward i think it's more like afterward right by
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paul gravette
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who is like a comic scholar who uh who i bet quite a few times during events during talks and exhibitions
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and he was kind enough to help write that afterwards there's also a
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thing of
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six, seven pages
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of a new comic that
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is going to appear in a book that I'm doing with Cherry and George about cartoon censorship. And in that book, we are dealing, of course, with
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how different cartoonists around the world have faced different kinds of censorship. And we have a chapter that's
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partly about Singapore.
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So me and Cherian both write about our own experiences
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here. And
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I did mine in the form of a comic.
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And that
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extract actually appears at the end of this new edition as we'll.
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I mean, the three Eisner Awards that you got, I mean, certainly, you know, for the first time, a Singaporean has received such an award. How did it change your professional career after that?
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How did it change my professional career? I
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would say it's opened up more doors. I mean, I think that's actually the primary function of awards. It all goes we'll, right? That they
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do bring some recognition and they give you some
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new work opportunities. And for me, it was...
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I mean, doing Charlie Chan for me was a real challenge because I had never done a book that was...
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both written and drawn by me of that length before. I've done some short stories of pages, maybe.
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But
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my dream was always to do long-form comics of my own.
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And this was
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what I thought of as a moonshot back then, something much longer, much more difficult to make work.
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And so the success, as far as there's been of the book, has, I think, given me the chance to do more books of that nature.
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I think that that's been the biggest thing for me, actually. And my next book, I hope that I can get publishers to look at it and give me some decent advances to work on it. You know, maybe even grants when I start applying for them. So
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I
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think I'm just trying to have some kind of roll over all the effects of one book, making it possible to do the next one.
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it's funny you should
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mention grants because, I mean, one of the things that Charlie Chanhok Chai was
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embroiled in was the
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controversy over the National Arts Council grant that was withdrawn.
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you've spoken extensively about it, but what I wanted to speak with you today about was how you went about incorporating Singapores history into the book. in to make it more accessible to make it more interesting
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to the average reader
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thought i should start by asking you why did you choose to explore singapores history specifically in the art of charlie
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i mean in one sense that feels like i guess i it's something I've always been interested in i mean growing up in singapore i was born in malaysia
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but i came to singapore my parents sent me and my sister here when we we're really young i was in k2 at the time right so from
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K2 up to JC, I was
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living and studying in Singapore. So
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in many ways, this is as much my hometown,
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my home country as Malaysia. So the history of the place you grew up in, I think it's
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always going to be interesting. And for me, when
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I guess I sort of came to realize that there we're different narratives
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to the history that we we're being taught in school,
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there we're alternatives, revisions or whatever you want to call them.
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And as much as I was aware of it, I never really
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looked at it too deeply, I think, until the point where I started doing the book. But I was aware of these
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contestations that we're out there. And I think this book gave me a chance to
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do the research,
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find out a bit more about history, and
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hopefully be able to
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kind of retell what I've learned in an interesting new way through the comics medium.
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So I take it that you did not find your social studies lessons interesting enough.
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we'll, I mean,
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they do have...
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I think they contain the basic facts, right? The basic narratives about Raffles and the founding of Singapore.
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But,
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you know, I mean, all histories, I think, as I'm sure you we'll know, are told from a certain angle, right? And I think, especially in Singapore,
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for the most part, that there is this so-called mainstream narrative, the Singapore story, that's usually what we hear. So
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I think
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it's interesting to me
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what the alternatives are to that.
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Speaking about the research process, what was it like for you to research this book? What kind of sources did you consult?
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For most part, they we're
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secondary sources, right? So I was reading books by
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actual historians,
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Turnbull,
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what's the Singapore story book by, I have
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it right here actually, Singapore Biography by Mark
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Frost and Yu Mei.
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So I consulted a lot of secondary texts. I tried to read as much as I could from different perspectives. So both
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the more established books like the Turnbull book, but also
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scripting on national history and those books that put out about May and all those
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more left-wing
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texts on history.
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And I would say the only or the main primary materials research I did was
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to interview people or to look at oral history records to try to reconstruct what
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it would have felt like to be an artist back in those days, right? Because I was trying to create a fictional comic artist. So I had to kind of get a sense of what
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people who are in similar industries,
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in book publishing, in art, illustration, what
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kind of outlook and
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perspectives they would have. So I think that was the main bulk of it, trying to create a believable, correct
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in a world that I didn't grow up in myself.
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So that was the part where I think I did the most primary research.
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So amidst all this heavy research that you we're conducting, what surprised you most about our history
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as you did this research? Was there any specific individual or event that struck you?
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I think anyone reading the book will know that Lim Chin Siong plays a big role in the book. he's sort of set up as a...
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