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Well yah but: The Green Hair society doesn’t decree that the punishment for apostasy is death. The Stetson wearers in Toronto guild doesn’t advocate tossing gays off the top of tall buildings. The Quebecois speakers in western Canada union doesn’t preach forced conversion of all non Quebecois speakers in western Canada. Please don’t try comparing apples with oranges.
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Callista Gingrich was not an ordinary run-of-the-mill adulteress; she acknowledges a six-year affair with a married man who himself led a very public life of sexual licentiousness.
The fact that Stefanini's homosexuality was well-known suggests only that he was not in the closet; inferences beyond that, in the absence of evidence, are unfounded. Moreover, there is no evidence that he committed adultery, that he encouraged anyone else to commit adultery, or that he broke up any families.
Your writing on issues related to homosexuals and homosexuality often seems incoherent; I think that's because you work backwards from your antipathy for them.
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The suicide rate for transgender individuals who have undergone sex reassignment surgery is many times that of the general population. Part of the reason is that no one can actually truly change their sex. You can change the outward appearance and even some internal processes with hormone supplementation but no former man can ever bear children nor can a former woman father children. You might as well dress as the opposite sex for all the good it does. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder that cannot be cured by changing ones outward sexuality. Better to treat the underlying causes and be comfortable in your own skin than to chase the chimera of body modification. Ever notice how many people are covered in tattoos and body piercings, and how many of them also profess that they are in the wrong sexed body?
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If you bothered to read the scientific links provided by CMC (thanks for providing them BTW) you would see that researchers are not seeing gender dysphoria as a mental "disorder". You may think it is because it doesn't conform to your view of the world, but fortunately for everyone else science doesn't care what you think. Evidence suggests it is biological in origin and that it may not a) be abnormal in the sense that you are implying , and b) the differences cannot be "cured".
There are good questions that can be reasonable debated by knowledgeable people about how to best help young gender dysphoric people, but saying that they can be cured and taught otherwise is not one of the them.
Conversion therapy has been thoroughly discredited for use in helping gay and gender dysphoric people. There really is no debate about it.
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I've heard this specious argument a hundred times. Seems like it never gets old for some.
"I don't hate gays, I just hate homosexuality."
"I don't hate the Irish people, I just hate Ireland."
"I don't hate Jews, I just hate their religion."
Let's just call the argument what it is: an attempt to deny one's bigotry.
Characteristics that are intrinsic to a person's identity cannot be hated without hating the person that holds them. In Canada the core human attributes are: race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. That's not my definition, it's explicitly stated in the Constitution of Canada.
Fundamental beliefs transcend all other human characteristics. Beliefs are intrinsic to every human being. No matter what your race, nationality, colour, sexuality, or physical or mental circumstances, you can be a Muslim. Or a Christian. Or an atheist. Beliefs are at the core of what makes us who we are.
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Then why are you harping on homosexual priests and teenage boys?
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Catholic News Agency offered a translation of the interview. I'm afraid I don't really see in it what Mr. McElwee seems to see, or NCR, or whomever came up with the title "Francis: Sexual Morality Determined Case by Case, Even for Transgener." This seems to imply that the morality in question might be different from person to person, or act to act. I'm not at all certain where that' can be found in the Holy Father's response. One can find it by searching for "Full text: Pope Francis' in-flight press conference from Azerbaijan."
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Dear Fr. Thomas,
Thank you for writing this article. Of course, the identity of the Church's priests is a very important thing: they are first and foremost servants of God. What I can't understand, then, is why sexual orientation need be an important aspect of that priestly identity: you seem to agree, insofar as a man should not be turned away from seminary based on sexual orientation.
At the same time, would the irrelevance of sexual orientation in selecting priests not also carry over into the active lives of the priests? It is perfectly irrelevant that a man is attracted sexually to this or that category of people when that man is a priest. Hence, there is no meaningful classification of "gay priests" or "straight priests", but only priests as such. What good is to announce one's "identity" as a "gay priest" if that is irrelevant to his duties as a servant of God? That only exacerbates issues through the prism of identity politics and needless sensation.
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Gary, this topic has brought out some interesting thought processes and value statements. It's rather like being able to be the counselor as the client lays on the couch and free associates their inner conflicts. I am picking up resentment of women who are gay, feelings of being discriminated by women for cad-like sexist behavior with a little touch of bruised male ego from the loss of white privilege. No wonder so often hope - as one said - to train their man.
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Exactly. And Canadians elected Jean Chretien, a Liberal social conservative. Here is one excerpt about Chretien & gay marriage: "Jean Chrétien helped engineer the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but he wasn't prepared for the way the courts used it to overturn something he'd always taken for granted – the definition of marriage as a union of man and woman." [Source: Toronto Star]
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No, my main issue is teaching young children that choosing homosexuality as an identity is equivalent to male-female unions.
Aside from all of the negatives with respect to male promiscuity and STIs, the brushing aside of uniting with the opposite sex as a mere choice is a sinful act in and of itself. It is sinful not only in depriving a person of a true sexual mate, but also in the teaching that children don't need a mom and a dad.
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Over the years the right-wing Christian anti-gay pro-gun crowd has been dubbed the American Taliban. This is exactly the kind of behavior which helped them earn that label.
"This is Oregon. This is not who we are. This is America. This is not who we are."
This IS who they are. The American Christian right-wing is willing to terrorize anybody that gets in the way of their killing-machines or their stone-age religions beliefs.
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My comment describes a fact about statistics malpractice in the way cancer victims are counted as belonging to particular races. Ethnic Hawaiians benefit greatly from hundreds of millions of dollars in government and philanthropic grants, plus public sympathy, based on the poor methodology for deciding which race a victim belongs to. It's a scam. But of course people like fraapes don't like it when the scam is exposed, so they make personal attacks to divert attention.
The left-leaning SPLC usually focuses on hate crimes against Jews and gays by Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazi skinheads. The article from the 2009 SPLC magazine is a good one that exposes how racial hate crimes in Hawaii are different from mainland -- in Hawaii the hate crimes are mostly directed against whites. Looks like fraapes is one of those white-bashers. See full text of the SPLC article and my analysis of it at
http://www.angelfire.com/big09a/RacialHateCrimesHawSPLC.html
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And if I was voting in 1854 I'd be voting Republican as long as the candidate was a functional human. But it's 2016, times have changed, party roles have reversed and reality has never managed to make a dent in the attitudes of certain segments of the population who still don't get that the Republican Party never intended to take the country back to their disgusting notions of the "good old days" unless it's to the equally disgusting unbridled greed and corruption of America's economic aristocracy in the Gay 90's, the ideological, and occasionally actual, descendants of which we keep having to drag around today.
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No, he was fired for saying he had a gay lover and was going to get married. That it what is clear.
Anyone who writes a letter as he did was certainly not looking to retain his job. Anyone who was going to hold a high--profile announcement and planned it with a pr man is not looking to retain his job. He is not a dumb man - he knew perfectly well that he was leaving the priesthood, and planned it to be as volatile as possible. That is a resignation....
He was involved with his gay friend at least a year from all reports - and was living a double life.
My comment was correct. He was sacked because he did everything possible to embarrass the Church and further his agenda. He was sacked because of his incredible publicity stunt. He was sacked because he said he was going to marry his gay lover. He was NOT sacked simply for coming out. There are other priests who have - and they have not been sacked.
Yup. Nitpicking....and not misdirection on my part.
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That's what people do now, so I agree with you. People treat this as if getting a divorce requires jail time and twenty lashes. But the Church cannot preach this, because then it becomes, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," which opens the door to demanding a change in Church teaching, as it did with homosexuals in the military
I've never heard of a parish that monitors who is eligible to receive communion and who is not. Almost everyone takes communion every week in my parish. There's almost no one at confession on Saturday, so I guess I just live in a very sinless community, haha.
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well, I hope these groups weren't forgotten:
1. 77,000 Germans were executed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts-martial, and the civil justice system.
2. It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians
3. Of slightly less than one million Roma believed to have been living in Europe before the war, the Germans and their Axis partners killed up to 220,000
4. Homosexuals,
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With the same sex marriage issue largely settled and rightly so, the SJW industry needs another cause to justify its existence, but is this really the dubious hill they wish to die on?
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I agree that two parents is far superior model for child support. I did both, caring for my daughters after their mothers death. The two parent home helps tremendously in terms of work division, combined skills, alternating care, insurance by way of having a backup when needed. Twice the love.
I think the roll of fathers has been diminished and I don't like it all. We give a balance to decision making and training with children, a good thing, particular if the child is of the same gender, (surprise, men and women have unique opportunities and challenges). The State is poor replacement for an absent parent regarless of how much financial support can be provided.
*Please note I said 2 parents. I have no problem with gay parents, they tend to have the masculine/feminine split in may ways anyway. But more specifically, I think men have trashed their own reputation through abuse and hypocracy, along with being bashed by activist women hurt by male social dominance
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He was too stubborn in the beginning and too sick and senile in the end to deal with this. We canonized him for his sickness and senility, by the way. As long as we keep giving while not enough is done,don’t blame the hierarchs. We are the problem. No Lenten Appeal should get a dime until we are satisfied with how this is handled, including Rome selling off some of their culturally incorrect art collection and the ordination of women, the married and the gay married.
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Where is the passage in the bible that says you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding? I thought judgment was up to god.
Deeply held religious beliefs with no basis in the religion itself?
I can find a passage that says it is okay to buy slaves as long as they are from a neighboring nation. In fact, there are a whole bunch of rules in Leviticus which most reasonable people will say are now obsolete. So why are people picking and choosing which rules constitute "deeply held religious beliefs".
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I actually like his music, and not against him being Gay, but it's like majority of those in the entertainment industry.........he didn't want to come out early in his career because the bottom line was "MONEY!" He didn't want to be black balled or labeled.
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What exactly is not known about 'gender violence', also known as spousal abuse? It happens equally between men and women. It happens in gay relationships and lesbian relationships. It's also lower than at any other point in human history. What is this but a waste of $77 million bucks which could have gone to helping real people and will instead be wasted by setting up a 'centre' for ivory tower progressive academics to babble pointlessly away at each other.
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Yes, I do believe homosexuality exists. That, in no way, causes one to accept or condone homosexual behavior as something other than sinful.
Homosexual behavior may be the norm within the homosexual community, but not in society at large, just as criminal behavior within the prison population is the norm there, but not in society.
The sophistry is in the language people wish to use to obfuscate.
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Both, I believe that marriage is an option for all men an and women and that the church is wrong to withhold it to anyone without just cause, including sexual orientation. Anything else is a perversion of the sacraments. What Jesus said about the Sabbath goes doubly so for the sacraments: they were made for us and not we for them. I feel the same way for the the Sacrament of Orders. I am an out and proud gay man and have been since my early 20's. Most, if not all, of the church's teachings about homosexuality is based on a toxic mixture of superstition, bad science and bad theology, fear, disgust outright lies and self hatred by way too many clerics. It, as well as other church teaching on sexuality in general need to be scrapped and started all over. And it definitely needs input from those who are actually living it every day, i.e. The Laity. And not just the bishop's pet lay folks either.
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Greetings.... I signed this petition because this contentious bishop in Madison has censored, morally wounded and obstructed not only gay Catholics, but many other Catholics in the 11 county diocese. This is yet another example of why bishops should be appointed by a committee of clerics and lay people from thru out the diocese. I pray that the Holy Father removes this bishop soon.
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That kid Sam who stabbed the victim stabbed another kid a week prior to the ordeal. That kid needs help!! He's mental going around stabbing kids & claiming to be bisexual. He's f-n confused & lost!! Needs better parenting
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Gay rights is not just about being nice or nudging gays toward a celibate life in the priesthood, it needs to be updated to deal with the fact that gay men do not chose their sexuality, it is innate. That being so, there is a right to use one's sexual gifts appropriately (although how that is in the hetro-world is changing as well - few wait for marriage). Many Catholics, if not a majority, accept gay marriage as right and just and even sacramental. It is time for the hierarchy to catch up.
The John Birch Society never went away and I have the racist e-mails from Birchers from 2008 to prove it. If the Kochs fund it, its neo-Bircher, from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to the Tea Party (the most of the Knights).
Rural areas who don't quickly create a single-payer plan before something happens to Obamacare deserve the Republican governments that probably refuse to do so.
The question is who told Trump to put into his remarks of that day the fact that dirt was coming on Hillary?
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A few days ago the RG noted a rise in reported hate crimes nationally. In the comment section it was noted that this could be because people feel more free to report, and I agree to this possibility. But if so, it means our earlier numbers were low due to fear of reporting. That's not a good thing either.
The RG in this article notes that we're talking about report. That shows journalistic integrity. However, do we believe the local Muslims are reporting more because they feel more free to report? Imagine telling them that their increased reports are only because they feel more free to report, there actually hasn't been more hate crimes and aggression against them. Can we say that?
Making American great has included a long history of hate for one group or another: Chinese, Japanese, Irish, Catholics, Blacks, Gays (who did I miss?). And each time there were assumed good reasons for doing so. Some Whites think they are now the endangered group. Maybe they just feel more free to report.
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People who are gay, don't have a choice. They are born that way. Do you really think a person would choose to be among the most hated group on Earth? I don't think so. Just look at what Judge Carlson went through.
I was the lead detective on the Feichtinger case. There was absolutely no evidence to the claims that Judge Carlson was a child molester. Being gay was turned into being a child molester by the defense.
One last thing, the surveillance photos of Judge Carlson, were not authorized, and would not have been. He was having dinner with several male friends. That's all it was.
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How about no? There's something to be said about the fact that almost all the trans celebrities out now are models or actresses with an emphasis on lucky one-in-a-million genetics that probably sets a damaging and unrealistic beauty standard for struggling transgender people, when prior generations have had a broader range of transgender figures to look up to (think Lynn Conway, Martine Rothblatt, Wendy Carlos). This article, though, is unqualified and fallacious concern-trolling. Bleeding-edge research suggests the condition of gender dysphoria is neurodevelopmental rather than psychological; in which case it can be conceptualised similar to a condition like autism, where trying to "cure" the underlying condition causes harm and treatment/support is instead geared towards improving quality of life (i.e. transitioning, the only scientifically proven treatment for gender dysphoria). The author clearly knows nothing on the subject except gossip and lay psuedo-science.
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Well, the atrocities that happen (rape, murder, torture, abuse of prisoners, female military, etc) are not done by the transgendered. They are done by bullies and people that are misfits in the general population, or that fall in line to the destructive behaviour.
The military is not where any young person should be as they are not looked after to repair the mental and physical toll to them or their families.
There are true, brave, honourable people that do serve though. Some of them are transgendered but believe in cohesion, discipline and camaraderie. It is the bigots and bullies that are the destructive ones.
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No, I respectfully believe your mistaken in that broad generalization respectfully MY TAKE, many people believe in God of all political persuasions crossing all racial and sexual orientations. The church has long been the bedrock in the Black communities, especially in the Civil Rights era, people of all political parties share a belief in God, and there are many churches with Gay ministers and parishioners today some doing gay marriages in their belief in God as well, even with regard to Biblical admonitions against such.
As far as the personal insult MY TAKE, I don't give rise to such when issued, nor respond in kind, never have. I think they reflect more on the author who employs such when in the public forums of discussion, so I refrain from doing so. But you welcome to do so all the same in the vain of uncensored speech, which I firmly believe in.
Have a great day respectfully!
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Existentially, the number one threat to human kind's continued viability on this planet of finite resources is uncontrolled overpopulation in the underdeveloped world. Homosexuality should be encouraged in the underdeveloped world of overpopulation, not criminalized as it is now. That's something Trudeau could do to bolster his image. He could propagate homosexuality as a solution to climate change by addressing overpopulation which increases climate change. Russia and China need to come of age and join the civilized world.
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Self-denial is a disorder. Anorexics think they are fat and transgenders think they were born into the wrong body. Both are wrong. Needed is self-acceptance. Nothing wrong with being a masculine female or a feminine male but believing to be what you are not is the very definition of mental illness.
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I think everyone's sexuality should stay in the closet! What kind of society judges others based upon sexual preference or defines themselves by their sexual preference? Why not simply give others personal privacy; this country seems obsessed with gay, gay rights, transgender issues, who's gay, what's gay, shake a person's hand and they introduce themselves by sexual preference, "hi, I'm John and I'm gay." Honestly, besides the rare hater ignorantly wandering about, who cares? The ignorant haters will find anything they can to hate, any part of a person weather gender, nationality, sexual preference, religion it doesn't matter but the whole gay thing is becoming a circus! This gentleman sounds like he was mistreated and that's a shame but the result may have been the same if he was Jewish, a black man or a woman.
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"Only Pope Francis could get away with saying that the church should not obsess over abortion, birth control and gay marriage."
This observation highlights a very serious problem WAY BEYOND BRANDING:
What is wrong with so many U.S. bishops? Did the past two popes drive debate away, molding it into hierachical bureaucratic consensus? Prior to these 2 papal reigns, U.S. bishops had no fear unity would be diminished by strong difference of opinion within the Church.
Where is the backbone of our so-called moderate U.S. bishops? Has it gone soft for FEAR OF BEING BRANDED LIBERAL? The conservative bishops certainly have no problems standing firm on their issues despite strong criticism. Are the "moderate" bishops so invested in purifying the Church of its left/right differences that its Eucharist becomes insipid?
Perhaps some bishops need space within a Vatican II Church/Rite/Prelature to be as true to their integrity as Opus Dei is to its integrity. https://RiteBeyondRome.com
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Here's a source:
April 11, 2016 Poll for a television station.
52% don't think homosexuality should be legal in Britain and 23% think Sharia Law should be applied. Sharia law calls for the death penalty. Only ISIS wants them thrown off buildings. Saudi Arabia and the other countries who practice Sharia law use beheadings instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
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The people making the legal arguments for same-sex marriage did not base their argument on any anticipated "land rush" of same-sex marriage. The The legal arguments merely asserted that the prohibition of marriage to same-sex couples was unconstitutional.
This article's entire premise is ridiculous on its face. The rate of same-sex marriages bears no relationship to its legality. Would Austin Ruse, this article's author, snear at the Loving v. Virginia ruling that ruled all laws against mixed-race marriages to be unconstitutional? After all, following the Supreme Court decision in the Loving case, the rate of mixed-race marriages was only 3 percent of newlyweds. By 2015, 17 percent of marriages are mixed-race marriages. That's a steady 5 fold increase in 50 years. But it's only been 2 years since Obergefell. Let's wait 50 years for today's homophobic bigotry and social stigma to decline and see where we are. Who knows... maybe the Washington Examiner will still be here to report it.
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Sounds to me like he's defending those in the military who are mentally fit to serve. I'd definitely be cautious having a transgendered on the front line with me, especially if my life were on the line. Not everything in life is a woe is me scenario
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The US is very regionalized. You may have lived in a progressive part of the country. In many places, the "deplorables" as defined by Hillary are considerably more than 25% of the adult population. Certainly I have never had any problem finding racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes and/or Islamophobes in large numbers anywhere in the US.
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No, the Prefect of the CDF, Ratzinger, made a comment that people took as doctrine about a concept (the natural order) which is a sophistry created because God cannot be damaged by sin, so something had to be. There is no such thing, its a fairy tale. We and the people we hurt are damaged by sin. Be very afraid of how you think about gays and lesbians.
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Your conclusions are false, and opposition to gay marriage is thoroughly Christian.
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And it's perfectly possible that David and Jonathan had a gay relationship, or that the Centurion's pais in Matthew 8 was his boyfriend, or that Paul's play on the sex-laden word chresis in Philemon shows a more gay-friendly side to his nature than appears when he recites Leviticus.
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Chaput, like nearly all of his episcopal cohorts, is "accompanying" gay people right out the doors of churches everywhere. Actually, in his cathedral that has no doubt long since been accomplished, meaning this most recent bit of polemic is preaching to the [all-hetero] choir. There are surely no more gay people left in the pews of his cathedral to endure his miserable "love the sinner/hate the sin" diatribe.
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If my memory serves me well, it wasn't even legal back then when this happened for homosexuals to marry.
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And yet, you carefully avoid acknowledging that Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Yemen all have adopted shar'ia law with homosexual death penalties as part of their official Islamic code.
You also ignore that the theocracy of Iran is an actual Islamic theocracy, not just a 'terrible regime'.
You call them 'regimes' instead of admitting that they have adopted as State policies the 14th century Islamic punishments that still exist in the Old Testament but are not State-sponsored laws fully followed all the way to execution as they are in these 'modern' countries.
Ingenuous.
Anything to avoid 'offending' Muslims, however evil their State policies.
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Who are these SJWs? Have you met one?
I've met many in the field, I've known people who have transitioned & some who simply live as the opposite sex without gender reassignment operations, etc. I've been to several transgender conferences, having published a book about transgendered children in audio. I've researched & read quite a bit about gender dysphoria. Everything I've read or seen coming out of the supportive community talks about the fact that it is the rare child that transitions & parents are not advised to force their children to transition.
Respecting a child & not forcing them to conform to gender expectations is not force.
Current practice is to put kids who are still identifying as the opposite sex at puberty on hormone blockers to buy time - and they have to see a therapist to get onto hormone blockers. Of these kids, many still don't transition; they stop the blockers & go through normal puberty. The few who do transition do so at the age of consent or older.
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You are right I don't really know. Who really does and does anyone really want to know? My point is only that many have claimed to have been converted but in the end go back to being gay. Do you deny this? I would say the vast majority of conversion thearapy go back to being gay. There may be exceptions but its probably due to a lack of a sex drive more than anything else.
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$39 billion?
Palestine missed an opportunity to be the second richest country in the Middle East after Israel
if it had co-operated with Israel economically for the last 60 years
instead of waging wars of annihilation in 1948, 1967 and 1973
Palestine must be kicking itself now for bad decisions
Gay leftists in Canada support Israel where there are Pride Parades
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How so? None of us believe Tulsi's shift on gay marriage was genuine, so don't even go there. What else?
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Sad that the writer's identity politics filter makes the award a victory for blacks and gays rather than well-earned recognition for a really good film. Let's hope that race wasn't a factor in the judges' selection. That would reduce its value. Only racists believe merit has anything to do with race.
As for being “the only profession that celebrates what it means to live a life,” get over yourselves!
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Choices have consequences, and so does public speech. He's gay? So? Big deal. But his politics are scathing and they led him to say some dreadfully repulsive things.
So it looks like his words caught up with him and brought him low, as they have for so many others. I can't muster up any sympathy for him, because he positioned and sold himself as the quintessential troll.
"For as ye sow, so shall ye reap".
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Just as an addendum, the Church is clear in its present teaching about homosexual acts. I'm just pointing out that it appeals to natural law and NOT the Hebrew Scriptures to support its claim. In fact, the Church rarely appeals to Scripture at all when it formulates its teachings on sexual morality. The Church's teaching against homosexual acts are along the same lines as its teaching against masturbation and birth control -- that is, these things are forbidden because they dissociate sexual gratification/acts from their natural procreative ends.
If one endorses this paradigm and is consistent, then ANY act causing sexual gratification that does not involve the penis inside the vagina would be considered sinful. That chiefly includes oral sex among married heterosexual couples. Non-procreative by every stretch of the intellect. But we know that never happens. ;-)
Personally I find such appeals to nature to be flimsy. But this is the currently accepted paradigm among RCC theologians.
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What does that have to do with transgender people in the military?
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Actually, don't think such a banner would be recognized as symbolizing "gay pride" in most Muslim countries. They might get castigated for having bad taste in displaying such a garish color-scheme...
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All you did with your comment is prove that you don't understand the Constitution or even common rational thinking. No, a lawyer doesn't have to take your case. But said lawyer can't tell you he's not taking your case solely because you're a woman or Jewish or gay. And, yes, restaurants can tell you that you need to wear shoes and shirts to be served. But said restaurant can't tell you that you'll be refused service if you wear a shirt with a Star of David on it because they don't want to serve Jews. That's the difference between America -- where certain classes of people (i.e. sex, religion, etc.) are protected under the Constitution -- and places like Nazi-era Germany.
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Hmm..my remark was certainly not uncivil.
But I'll change it just a bit.
Using your logic then...no one gets to make that accusation unless one is homosexual? So...what does that mean about those who make the allegations? That they must be homosexual?
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How is this any different from the Kentucky clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples? If your religious beliefs are so against the gay community, then you had better not get a job or into a profession that is obligated to serve ALL people.
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Perhaps the DP should find all sides to this story, not just a happy celebration promoting the gay lifestyle. There are plenty of stories about how it isn't a good situation for the kids. Nature wants a Dad and a Mom. Remember 9th grade biology class? There are differences between Men and Women, which is why they complement each other in parenting situations
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The more Fr. Martin talks, the more I realize how that he has to be defeated. The modernists cannot be allowed to govern. Whether the issue is gay marriage or immigration or the tax rate of the top bracket, everything they stand for must be defeated if we are going to maintain our culture.
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"This inclination . . . constitutes for most of them a trial."
Oh? Gay is an "inclination"?! And "for most of them a trial"? And you know this how? Evidence?
I'm betting that being gay is "a trial" only because of the always-unjust discrimination against them. Which is fomented, pushed, & led in so many cases by the guys in their little red dresses. . . & their necklaces of millstone.
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You being your attempted rebuttal with a cheap ad hominem, namely, that I'm a black/white thinker. Bad start. But it allowed you to (temporarily) deflect my point, namely, that not every truth can be proven scientifically. Not to mention your accusation was false --- although a favorite accusation by liberals against conservatives. Tell me, then, who is it that thinks in black and white?
Of COURSE, "Being a pedophile is NOT the same thing as BEING Gay." But that does not preclude our recognizing their similarities. You yourself seem to regard pedophilia as being "intrinically disordered" (or maybe you don't). But is it your contention that nothing can be called "intrinsically disordered" unless proven to be by science? If so, then tell me, what do you think science has proven to be "intrinsically disordered"?
You place great stock in the "fact" that those who are gay were conceived that way. Your "science" is to science what Yoko was to music.
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Personally, I'm not against women priests, what I'm against are left-wing feminists who are pro-abortion and pro-homosexual behavior being ordained priests. Give me some good bedrock conservative women to be ordained, and I may change me tune.
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Secretary of Defense James Mattis and Chief of Staff john Kelly have a pact that they would not leave the United States at the same time, in order to ensure one of them would be there to babysit Trump and rescind any orders coming from the White House.
These not only pertain to him possibly starting WW III, but apply to things like barring transgender people from military service.
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The only thing I'm worried about is if Malina goes home too early will tRump keep his hands to himself and not be grabbing under the table, or shoving his uncontrollable appetite into the women's bathroom. Hey, he might get ahold of a transgender.
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I wonder why anyone would need to proclaim that they're not gay, although I did just that in high school ;-)
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You keep asking, " Where did the pastor say that banks and jewelry stores should not let gay people in the door and should refuse to do business with gay people?"
So, we keep showing you where.
It's in the "we don’t have to do business with them" part. He's just another theocrat (akin to Kim Davis - only hers is on a government level instead of on the commercial level). Neither of them will be happy until gay people are eradicated from the face of the earth. THAT's the kind of "love" they show to God's LGBTQ children. 'Get out of my store/office/church!' kind of thing. Quite the opposite of Christ's message.
Your nonsense about Antarctica and lions is not worthy of a response. (Though many other 'christian' pastors HAVE said such things - and worse!)
Seems you have to make stuff up to support your POV.
"Sad!"
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Go ahead and call me a pinko for being gay on this side of the political spectrum - that being said I am not sure how many of you are truly old enough to remember what happened in the late 50's. Trading one dictator for another does not mean that one was better than the other or that either one should be praised or panned. Yes - Castro killed thousands. But so for that matter did Batista. The fact that the U.S. was willing to look the other way for Batista (probably) has as much to do with mafia influence as the spectre of a communist nation in the Western Hemisphere.
The Gold telephone from 'The Godfather 2' was not a fiction nor was the idea of carving up the country to the moneyed elite.
The last paragraphs say it all:"A certain amount of diplomatic hypocrisy is sometimes required". No it is not - at least not if the almighty dollar doesn't rule your world. Call it what it is - greed rules, capitalism is greedy and cowards only go after those they can - hence China's carte blanche
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A sad comment. The truth is, if there is a gay teen joining such a club and not telling their parents, its likely nothing more than that they are afraid or uncomfortable of coming out to their parents.
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Gays, lesbians and women are next and then????
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Its a real thing and shows your moral reasoning is couched in ignorance of the people whose lives you would pontificate on. Again, you show you are dendending curial and papal authority rather than concerned with the moral life of gays, lesbians and, yes, bisexuals.
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And you wold rather believe the self-serving excuses of a murderer who cruelly tortured his victim and hung him on a post to die than accept that a gay man might just not be a monster and a criminal.
You gloss over the bile that was spattered over this very comment section and on social media as "exaggerated" rather than accept that there is hatred spewed against homosexuals and violence to the point of murder purely because of their sexual orientation and yearning for love.
PI, in your heart of hearts do you really believe that's what your gay brothers and sisters deserve? That's the way you believe God wants them to be treated?
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If we allow women to be priests then we'll have women bishops, then eventually a woman pope. Now I have always said that I will be candid, I don't have theology but I don't like the idea of all this from a question of what is proper, though not in the moral sense. The church is not a democracy with civilians and a bill of rights. Women can be theologians, professors, even canon lawyers, is that not correct? To say that women have not progressed in the church in their roles is not accurate.
If everything is going to be thrown open to a question of what is morally right, then is it morally right not to marry gays in the church? Is that ok?
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If gays can marry, we can carry. Either that, or we should sue the federal government for protected status. Being a gun owner is the last class of people it's encouraged to discriminate against. Time to put a stop to it.
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That also is not quite the truth...but a parsed version again. Why do you do that? Some would say it is the equivalent of lying....
Gays are NOT fired from Church jobs because they are gay. The few who have been fired were fired because they openly and defiantly contradicted Church teaching on marriage. And you know it.
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I pretty much agree with you, as far as there are multiple reasons for why gay men are attracted to the priesthood. Without listing them, many of the reasons are no doubt linked to cultural displacement, but some are linked to more feminine traits of empathy and aesthetics (if that sounds very un-PC, it's still true. How many male fashion designers are straight?)
The general problem with gay priests isn't theological or speculative, it's been proven out with the sex abuse scandal. It can't be an accident that 4 out 5 five of these crimes were committed by gay men. That fact doesn't mean that gay men must not become priests, but at the very least, it's time they were Out about their orientation. It's time to end the policy allowing (actually, forcing) gay priests to pretend they are straight.
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Reason #5629 to despise "gay" misogyny; it's never even a little bit original.
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"NCR tacitly endorses violence for the purpose of curtailing the free speech of a gay Catholic."
Really, Utiltas? Care to actually show some evidence to back up your claim. BTW, said Gay Catholic is also a racist hate monger.
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Thanks, James. Private schools certainly do have the right to make their own rules. However, as Catholics, many of us question the way that our Church treats gay people. Not allowing gay students to have a club that would function as a support group seems to me to be going in the wrong direction.
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Strange times we live in. 50 years ago this was a mental illness which you could forcibly be treated for. Now its all the rage. How fast things changed, and how fast they are going to continue to change on this topic...
We've erased the ancient line that was drawn between right and wrong in regards to marriage, and put ourselves on a terrible trajectory. I don't believe most advocates of homosexual marriage intend or see the path they've put us on. But the sky's the limit now; the wall has been torn down. Eventually marriage between adults and children (already okay in some backwards portions of the world) will be acceptable in our society, as well as between children and other children. Finally it will be marriage with animals. I mean, why not? Love is love, right?
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Where I grew up it was a word you called someone if they were being whimpy like going home early when out with the guys. There was no implication of homosexuality involved, just a lack of masculinity.
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The Irish have a real gay PM
Canada does not have a real gay PM
So for Canada it is not "Welcome to this century, people."
is that what you mean?
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or do you mean Ireland's PM is Irish-Indian mix
JT is only old stock Canadian
not multicultural enough
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Irish PM beats our PM in this game
one more thing, Irish PM is younger and cuter
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Saying kids are going to become gay by watching a parade is like saying someone is going to become an a$$h0le by reading one of your comments.
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I don't think most people have strong feelings about calling someone whatever they wish, as that is just politeness. But if one wants people to respect them, they have to show respect too, and trans activists need to be careful about imposing their world-view contained in the language of trans theory. For example, many people object to being labelled "cis-woman" or "cis-man" as if we all embrace the underlying premise that we "identify" with a gender rather than being one or another sex. Indeed some of the people objecting to the the prefix "cis" are people who support trans rights -gays and lesbians, intersex, and feminists -and they all have legitimate arguments. There may be people who do self-identify as "cis-gendered" but it's not respectful for trans people to carelessly modify other people's identities with the addition of the prefix "cis" unless that's what they identify as. The neutral descriptive word for people who are not trans would be non-transgender.
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Dear Con-quer:
You are to be reminded that the University of Toronto, in absolutely no way, started the ridiculous fight over pronouns. The entire series of events commenced with a federal government proposal to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code in order to protect transgender people under those laws. It was the now well know University of Toronto Professor whom you seem to defend who cried 'no way' to the government's plans.
But you are right about the idiocy of the battle - commenced and continued by the professor who will not name because, in my view, he has received far too much of what he sought - lots of ink.
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This nation's greatest strength is the European culture that built this nation.
You can look at the cultures that built governments in South America or Africa, China or Russia. People from those regions, to America, to escape those cultures. They did not come here for "diversity," they came here because their culture was unjust and brutal.
Here's the deal: it is not in the best interest of any nation to swamp itself with people who believe in Sharia law. That's a deeply inferior culture of brutality to women and gays, and to Catholics, and to Jews, etc.
Not all cultures are equal.
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"I think NCR readers know that "coming out as gay" means "defying Church teaching."
False again. NCR readers cannot "know" what isn't true. There's a difference between a priest being gay, on the one hand, and defiantly engaging in gay conduct on the other.
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I remember a help-wanted ad for a position at the University of Oregon about 20 years ago that ended with "women, minorities, gays and lesbians encouraged to apply." When the department was contacted about the ad's wording implicitly discouraging some from applying, the indignant response was "white men have never needed encouragement to apply for jobs. Everybody knows that." Click. The next call, to the campus EEO office, was met with a very long pause, a polite request to be put on hold and then a supervisor offering thanks in carefully couched language for having been notified.
The reworked ad in the next day's paper didn't encourage anyone to apply.
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I live in TO's gay neighbourhood and though I'm young, I often speak with the seniors in our community. These people were there at the first Pride, when there was only 100 participants. They remember how strained it was with police, and have worked for 30 years to foster the good relationship we enjoyed up until last year. Then suddenly, a bunch of spoiled, obnoxious 20 year olds, half (if not all) of which are not even gay, managed to destroy it in a 30 minute temper tantrum.
The problem is with SJW, outrage culture, and the totalitarian way they operate. They will on the one hand whine and play Oppression Olympics, and on the other hand, spit in the faces of the elderly that actually fought for the rights they so flippantly sneer at. Disagree? You are a racist bigot.
I'm gay, I'm not white, and I support Toronto Police. Pride TO should NOT get funding from the city. PrideTO does not listen to it's community. Pride's FB page reflects how a lot of us feel and they ignore it.
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Jack Phillips of Masterpiece Cake was clear -- he would bake birthday cakes, cookies, whatever else for ANYONE, but he would not participate in sexual immorality by baking a same-sex wedding cake. Why is it that you folks seem unable to see the distinction here?
A birthday cake or a batch of cookies is not the same as a commitment to a lifestyle of sin ... which is what a same-sex wedding cake symbolizes. As long as gays leave me out of their practice of sin, I am not entitled to discriminate. But when they ask/demand that I participate ... then I have a right to an opinion and the religious obligation to say "no".
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"When POTUS Trump speaks to the Boy Scouts it's political but when the left shoves gay propaganda down their throats it's educational.".... Dinesh D'Souza
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The Greed & Intolerance Party (GOP) and Radical Christians define "fairness" as their rights "trump" the rights of gay folk. Simple as that. I knew this was coming: First they came for the gay folk....
Who will be next in Alaska (politically Oklahoma with mountains).
Minnery: your "inclusive" framing style masks hate, bigotry and is disingenuous.
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In a real twist, all the socialists and left wingers on council voted to back stab the LGBT of Toronto to appease BLM. Only the few conservatives on council who actually spoke out about the injustice and voted to protect the rights of all people which includes the gay community. Left winger politicians say "We are your friends" then sell us out.
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Famous last words. The celebration of this Sacrament often follows the lead of the state. Since no one under 35 agrees with you, including a largely gay priesthood, what you seek is impossible. There are many ex-priests who do these weddings. My brother and his husband found one.
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I find it curious that GBA knows where the gay males are. I had no idea. As a matter of fact, I didn't know that the lesbians are in Yachats. GBA's fascination with gays perplexes me, that's all. I bet most posters on here don't know where gay people are to be found -except now that GBA pointed it out.
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You have no citations for your comments, so there is no reason to believe them, but there was a nice article stating that we spend more on Viagra fro servicemen than we would ever spend on gender reassignment.
Admit it, transgendered people just scare you.
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Do notice the assumption of gender differences. How will this article read after a decade of same-sex marriage? Oh, to heck with natural law. We are too smart for our own good.
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It seems like the cake baker wanted to make a federal case of this. He could have just had an assistant make the gay wedding cake if it violated his religious views. I'm not sure what his views are but the Bible doesn't even seem to be on his side with such advice as "Judge not lest ye be judged." and "Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you."
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Why don't Saudi Arabia. Egypt, UAE, Bahrain and some of the rich gulf states take some of these Muslim refugees?
Why is it that the west has to shoulder everything?
Why are you Muslims so entitled? You don't have a right to enter the US unless you are a citizen. Why do you beat women, teach your children to hate Jews, Christians, atheists, gays, and everyone else who is not of your particular branch of Islam.
And I'm not some Christian Biggot. I'm an atheist who believes in upholding western values of tolerance. Islam by definition is not tolerant.
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