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If it was in 84. All matters of private revelation are to be presented to the local ordinary for disposition. What did he say? Much about Fatima is to convenient to survive the question of revelation-v. hoax. Such matters, as private revelation, are not binding on the faithful, although if you want Mary on your side, quit seperating her from her other sons, Thomas and Phillip.. She proably sees your desire to do that and make her out as an incomplete-wife with your desire to deny sexuality to gays and lesbians.
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Actually it represents white men and married white women. Clinton supporters represent unmarried white women, blacks, latinos and gays. Look up the statistics before spouting off you're leftist rhetoric.
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You are right, Michael, that Christians should speak the truth and warn about the dangers of sin, disordered desires, etc. It is a real concern that the catholic church did not ban the priests who abused children - all the contrary, they were protected and hidden. Instead they ban gay priests just because they are gay. Does not make sense to me!
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You can support your gay child, but you can't be Catholic too. The two things are completely incompatible. Catholics preach that homosexuality is evil. End of story.
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Every time I think the LEFT has stooped as low as is humanly possibly, someone with even LESS intelligence comes up with a piece like we see here. Hillary is one of the most disgusting people to ever run for President yet the Media and left wing just chose to ignore what she has done and did their best to shove her down our throats. Trump wasn't MY first choice either but HE IS NOW GOING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT. Comparing him to Hitler is idiotic at best. He will do far better than Obama and we don't have Hillary's criminal past or support for the murder of Gays and Christians and poor treatment of women to explain to the world..
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Fish: The LGBTX individuals, (Lesbians, Gays, Bi-Sexuals, Trans-Gender Mutilated, A genders, and those who mark the box with a "X"), should NOT be afforded more protections then any other group of citizens in the US even when such protections pertaining to sexual acts clearly are a violation of the law.
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Your major premise was that one is morally permitted to act on whatever inclination he's born with. Your minor was that gays are born with a sexual attraction for men, therefore . . .
Bad major. That was the point.
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Wipeout is at it again! Gay activist Wipie?
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Those are countries, not religions. FACT
As Ty asked: "Which Mosque in the US stoned a single woman to death for infidelity and executed a single citizen for homosexuality? "
Yes, there are countries with laws that should be judged as archaic, outdated and just plain wrong, but I'd guess you be surprised Iran has one of the most educated and "progressive" young populations in the region. They are being dragged down by their leadership, and by knuckle-draggers like you.
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Ottawa needs to see lots of videos about Saudi Arab and Muslim countries. Like videos showing gay men being executed by throwing them off buildings or hanged. Or women getting buried alive if they are raped. OR women being stoned to death or whipped for sex out of marriage. Or actual slaves being bought and sold for sex or labour. Lets all have a good look at life in Saudi arabia.
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Focused on women's sexuality was the thrust of the article, yet Sapphic Aquatica, the club's regular lesbian event was not even mentioned. Same old sexist homophobic b.s. Lesbians just don't exist. Disappointing G&M.
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Who cares. Let the country fall. thats what it needs to do, to fall completely apart. Our country is now full of people who feel that everyone should give them everything on a silver platter. People who feel entitled because they are colored different, or carry a different DNA strand or come from a different place and then we have all the population in America getting high on weed, getting high and addicted to prescription drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, bathsalts, etc etc etc etc and then you have all the alcoholics and sex addicts and pedophiles and transgenders and gays and lesbians and then you sit back and wonder why the country is so screwed up and you actually have the audacity to blame Trump for messing it up.....................Try again folks. We have our own citizens encouraging drug use, encouraging everything immoral that can be had, a hippie revolution all over again but this time super sized.
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Well we could divert all the grants and government money going to bogus social justice warriors and crooks like BLM or transgender activists. What the government gives to Canadians will be curtailed to fund refugees, in addition to taxes going up.
So slash all grants to these lobby groups and direct the funds to giving refugees free homes, health care, education and a tax free grants. As they are a all clamoring to open the borders, then they should pay for it or contribute to it with a large part of their budgets. I'm sure the hypocrite BLM folks with their Iphones and expectations of six figure salaries will be happy to sacrifice THEIR OWN MONEY!
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Your typical straw man of fear and loathing of homosexuals by the Church is nonsense, and an easy excuse to justify behavior counter to Church teaching. All people have inclinations to sin and give into temptation. We are called to be better than that.
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Dear Pastor Francis, the church of God, is the body the Christ, and is dirtied and corrupted by priests(majority of them) and is in need of swift remission, but you are full of jokes.
Do it before God judges you. Stop the abuse -- the sex abuse, the child sex abuse, monetary corruption, homosexuality within the priesthood.
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if you had personally been the target of discrimination, beatings and described as "disordered" by the very Church you loved, well, then, maybe you be singing a different tune. Take a walk as a gay person in this world and see how well you like it.
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In the U.K. the word used was 'sissy'. It described boys who were unusually timid. Nothing sexual was intended as no one knew about homosexuality.
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Exposure to illnesses as a part of 'exploring' and or conquering territory is far from limited to North America. Or perhaps you forgot about little epidemics like the black death (introduced into Europe from Asia). You also seem to have forgotten about some of the mini epidemics that broke out in various ports throughout Europe after early expeditions to the Americas returned. Finally you incorrectly put FAR too much weight on reports some morons tried to get natives sick by giving them 'infected' blankets. 1. Simple greed is a much easier explanation and 2 the infections they were attempting to spread didn't spread that way and it was known that they didn't spread that way at the time. That kind of nonsense is like saying gay men were trying to spread HIV by holding hands.
As for the treaties, you must not follow history very closely. The treaties with various tribes were all horribly flawed in multiple ways.
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You realize how silly your question is, right? How can there possibly be multiple organizations representing fundamentalist religious views? How can there be 634 First Nations in Canada? You appear to expect that members of the LGBTQ community all belong to some sort of common organization or union of sorts. Maybe it's good for those who oppose their interests that they don't as such an organization would likely represent hundreds of thousands of Canadians. My guess is that the LGBTQ community may well exceed in size the population of Christian fundamentalists in Canada.
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No, your bigoted opinion of gays is based SOLELY on your prejudices. You may want to pretend that it is based on science -- white supremacists claim that "science" shows that whites are the superior race. You have precisely the same mindset.
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"Many young evangelicals seem tired of the culture wars, wearied by politics, and less interested in hounding gay couples than in helping the homeless..."
Kristof is being disingenuous here. The people evangelicals have been hounding are less gay couples than women seeking reproductive medical care including abortion.
Kristof's suggestion that now that evangelicals have satiated themselves harassing women we should all just come together and sing kumbaya. Excuse me while I choke on my puke.
I'm supposed to care that some evangelicals are feeling discomfiture at their party's candidate? Seriously, don't make me laugh.
Actually, now I am laughing--at evangelicals, the stupid moth********s. It's when I stop laughing and start loading that you'll know the gulf hasn't been bridged.
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You're trying to prove a negative here, Richard Whyner, which is a logical fallacy. Hardly surprising considering the source. So where's your evidence those 80% who DIDN'T vote WOULD have voted the way you want? Speaking of trying to prove a negative, I find no evidence that you even ONCE complained about union vote-mustering tactics when you yourself were a member. Kind of like how you're not known to have ever complained about pro-white "affirmative action." To paraphrase a very popular Galilean carpenter (upon him be God's Peace) as translated by your 'gay' olde King James, "WOE unto you, retired garbageman, hypocrite! You got what you wanted from the Municipal workers' union, now you hold the door against those who would seek labor representation!"
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No it is not ok to accept gays watever into the church with the hope of reforming them. There is no way of changing a gay person into a straight person. Like changing a black into a white. Might be possible of changing a white into a black (Black like me) but I have never heard of the opposite.
Now why would anyone disapprove and criticize a life style?
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Baking a cake for a wedding is celebrating that ceremony and the acts which are the expression thereof.
Do we want liberal Sharia where Christian bakers are bullied for taking what the Bible says about homosexual activity sinful? Why is it so important to get a wedding cake from someone with a religious objection when there are plenty of bakers with no objection happy to take the money? The comparison with segregation is just to invoke an emotional response. There is no Scripture that teaches black and white people can't eat together, but there is Scripture that teaches marriage is between a man and a woman and homosexual sex is sinful.
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hey michael, I was there also. The frothing I saw was coming from a smoke belching volvo covered with stickers and the folks inside screaming with curse words and pure hate towards us. That is the one that sticks out the most but of course, there were many other drive bys that spewed hate and insults, clue for you, they were not conservatives. Was your plan to try and disrupt a peaceful gathering?The gathering was very peaceful, the grounds were left cleaner then we found them, the people were calm and orderly. So why do you find a need to lie? Why do you find a need to either insult gays or use a homophobic insult towards those who you disagree with? Is your insult directed at gays or do you find it acceptable to use a term associated with gay men towards others as an insult? Which are you, homophobic or extremely intolerant of others not like you?
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Totally uncalled for remark but is does highlight the offensive treatment transgendered people face.
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I too prefer Bernier over Scheer, but I think Scheer is more electable. Bernier is way too libertarian to win. His policies on health care and spending cuts would make him DOA. Scheer is a social conservative, but unlike Trost and Lemieux he has promised to not to introduce any new legislation on gay marriage and abortion. One can personally oppose abortion on a personal level while still support keeping it legal otherwise believing its not the state's job to enforce morality. Paul Martin personally opposed abortion, but was a strong supporter of keeping it legal. Opposing something personally is quite different than wanting it criminalized. Where Scheer stands though is a bit of a question. I suspect he won't touch either not out of personal conviction but more due to electability, otherwise he would ban both if it wasn't political suicide to do so whereas Paul Martin would have never banned either even if the public was in favour.
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Oh, OHThor, I would not expect people like you to do this. I would have it done by a computer. Clean, clinical, and neat.
Yes, I am being extremely sarcastic. I find all of this to be so distasteful and offensive. The thing is that many who know far better than I have told me that many of the hierarchs who are most vocal in the support of these bans on gays are gay themselves. A part of me wants to give them a taste of their own medicine -- in whatever form.
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From Wikipedia:
Homosexual behavior in animals is sexual behavior among non-human species that is interpreted as homosexual or bisexual. This may include sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs. Research indicates that various forms of this are found throughout the animal kingdom.[1][2] As of 1999, about 500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, have been documented engaging in same-sex behaviors.[3][page needed][4] According to the organizers of the 2006 Against Nature? exhibit, it has been observed in 1,500 species.[5]
The bracketed numbers are references to journal publications.
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Milo Yiannopoulos: “In the gay world some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys.” Milo described attending Hollywood “boat parties” and “house parties,” where he saw things that “beggar belief.” As Milo put it: “some of the boys at [these parties] were very young. Very young.”
Chad Felix Greene has also described having his first sexual encounters with adult men at age 14. “As much as the LGBT world seems to ignore [older gay men having sex with young teenage boys], it seems fairly universal and unfortunately not time-bound to a period when young gay men had fewer options.”
http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/28/child-sex-common-among-gay-men-okay/
What if we are ignoring, and have been ignoring for a long time, a cultural tradition that sexualises and victimises boys as young as 13 years old?
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What does gay or transgender or lesbian have to do with the rights of the person ? Aren't we are ALL entitled to equal rights under the Law. It is about your rights and not what camp you belong to, unless you actually want the extra attention that comes with the label you gave yourself. I think the only label we should use is Human Being.
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Have you "polled" every single homosexual to determine whether or not this is true, and if so, do you have proof that they are being 100% truthful ?
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The liberal suburban parishes I've visited ARE thriving. The gay-friendly parishes ARE thriving. That should tell you something.
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Can't they use the sex as listed on official documents like their health cards or driver's licences?
That only leaves those identifying as non-binary-gender scrounging for single-stall washrooms. If anything, Hamilton should encourage the building of more single-stall washrooms for the handicapped, family. and transgender use, replacing the handicap requirements within single-sex washrooms.
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Guess what ? Do you think Heterosexual people don't struggle with confusion ? This is well documented, but I am sure you pay little attention to facts such as those.
As stated earlier, my homosexual uncle who I grew up with (3 years older) at 55 years is still confused, always has, always will be most likely. I personally have never been, but there are some who are confused.
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More newsworthy than another transgender story... Or another homeless sympathy spin.
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I'm old enough to remember a time when I thought I didn't know any gay people (not the word we used). When I found out that I did, I was surprised in two instances by who they were and how much they suffered. Both men were friends of my parents; both were in relationships with other men (not each other; they didn't even know each other.) Both lived most of their adult lives in faithful relationships with their partners, but neither ever shared a home with his partner. Only late in her life, after my father was gone, did my mother realize the nature of the relationship that her great friend and neighbor had with his "friend." I was moved by the way the insight dawned on her, and on the compassion she had for him as his life-partner was dying -- compassion rooted in her own then-recent loss of my father. I learned a lot; and I was changed.
The teaching of the church about homosexuality is not only wrong; it is evil.
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Kudos for not turning this into a partisan political bun-fight, NA. Harper, Martin and Cretien all had views different from Trudeau.
But what are our laws if not a reflection of popular opinion? When they no longer reflect popular opinion they are challenged. For example, when three juries refused to convict Henry Morgentaler, it was a reflection of the fact that public opinion on the issue of abortion was changing. The law was thought to be unjust and it was changed. Similarly with laws related to homosexuality. People simply started to ignore them, so they were changed. Same with the issue of marijuana. Because something is written into law does not make it "just", even if the decision comes from the mouth of the Supreme Court itself.
People don't need to be told by lawyers what is right. There are many wacky legal decisions derived from the application of human rights legislation in a legal vacuum. Rights must exist in balance with society's values, not in isolation from them.
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Does pointing out that a growing majority of Americans support adultery (abortion, same sex marriage, even theft), change God's law an iota?
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" ...people who are just born LGBTQ..." Are they?
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I feel for LGBT and I agree we need to invite and treat with same respect and love as we do for heterosexual couples. Dialogue is where it must begin.
That being said, notice women priests are not being discussed as topic to dialogue on. We must demand justice for women now and equal and same treatment and sacraments and we must demand dialogue on this issue with our priests, bishops, cardinals and Pope Francis immediately. Especially, since this is the one area Pope Francis still wants to duck away and hide from. Too many women have been crushed by this rejection of our gender and have left and are continuing to leave our church and too many churches have closed due to supposedly no priests.
Enough of the hate and misogyny and homophobia. This church can not grow healthily while she clings to these condemning ways.
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What BLM did was bring attention to their cause. But, at he expense, and humiliation of the LGTQ community. Toronto has been a "gay friendly" city for a long time, not always.
Toronto council took the right approach, namely ending the grant. Now, the parade should pay for police services. It was the BLM people that wanted an end to police presence, and the police float, (TPS), that float never made sense.
Will the Gay Pride Parade be any less safe?
It appears at this moment that the only factor endangering the parade is.........."BLM "
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I get that people hate the idea of transgenderism, but transgenderism pronounces itself during early childhood development. Transgenderism doesn't happen overnight. The LGBT population has every right to socio-economic equality and fair justice same as heterosexuals. I don't pretend to fully understand the LGBT population, but I don't believe any type of discrimination against this population is appropriate, or any group for that matter. If we can only practice the live and let live concept.
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The length of an Eastern Orthodox (or I guess Ukrainian C) liturgy is a related but separate issue which I was trying naïvely to ignore. Yes, it's a challenge, and the tradition-idolizing reasons for it are in fact unreasonable, and inhumane. Easterners are a mixed bag: a lot that's admirable, but a whole lot that's yucky too, e.g. self-righteousness crushing of gay rights. As Jaroslav Pelikan said, who was raised by a Lutheran father and an Orthodox mother: "The Lutherans taught me to think, and the Orthodox taught me to pray; and I'm glad it was that way, and not the other way around."
Still, not all liturgy is word-oriented, or vocal. Too much of that and you get the situation underling that old chestnut, Why don't Denomination X sing in church? --Because they're all nervously reading ahead in the hymnal, to see if they agree with the words.
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"Can we sterilize Liberals ?"
Well, The law was repealed by Dr. Kitzhaber when he was in the Legislature in 1983, but if any of the 'liberals' were:
" feeble-minded, insane, epileptic, habitual criminals, moral degenerates, and sexual perverts, they could get sterilized.
"Habitual criminals were defined as those who have been convicted three times or more of a felony in any state, while moral degenerates and sexual perverts partly included homosexuals and promiscuous teenage girls."
"Nancy Rae Cook v. State of Oregon (1972), 17-year-old Nancy Rae Cook appealed the Board of Social Protection's ruling that she be sterilized due to mental illness resulting from childhood physical and sexual abuse. The Oregon Court of Appeals upheld the Board of Social Protection's decision, ruling that the state had sufficient interest in the wellbeing of its citizenry to order Cook's sterilization "
One of Oregon's finest progressive movements in its history.
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The courts have already found that being called gay is not derogatory. No excuse there, chum.
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Ask Jim McCrea, I was replying to his comment in which he used the phrase, "homosexual acts among opposite-sex couples."
I fail to see where the Syllabus of Errors come into this.
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On the second, that is exactly what he said in Matt 19.
Families of origin. Father, Mother, Siblings. The people who say throw that gay partner out of the hospital room so we can get junior to confess his homosexuality on his death bed. Luckily the Church's hospitals don't do that anymore, but the fact that they did led to gay marriage as a goal.
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Bisexuals even today in many parts of the world find it hard to come out and find a suitable partner due to fear of rejection but by going online, they can find support and even a partner who understands them. One site that does exactly this is bi cupid, an online dating website that caters to the bi-minded and also the bi-curious looking to have some fun or looking for a serious bi relationship and is currently one of the, if not the, best dating website that targets this niche. http://www.bicupid.com
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Is Anne Moir and David Jessel's "Brain Sex," published in 1989, now scientifically out of date? Their presentation of hormonal brain "washings" seemed to offer a explanation, buttressed with much scientific references, of why hetero- and homosexual orientations develop before birth. What do you think?
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I wonder if Trump will make any mention about human rights and the treatment of women, gays and Shia Muslims in mostly Sunni Saudi Arabia.
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... gay bars welcome EVERYONE and wouldn't refuse to serve ya.
When I lived in Chicago I lived next to a cross dresser bar, Big Chicks. Super crappy part of town, rents were cheap, not a Starbucks anywhere near, so I lived there. The pours at that bar were stiff, the brunches on Saturdays and Sundays were excellent, and no one gave a crap about one's sexual orientation we all lived in that neighborhood in relative peace and harmony ... everyone was welcome and treated with respect at Big Chicks.
THAT is the USA that should and does exist except for this fartknocker in Lakewood.
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probably 90% of the higher clergy I would be willing to bet! maybe higher. I have gay friends in Italy and the stories I could tell....
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Nice spin......
No one wants for force you to celebrate it. There's a million degrees of gray area between "not celebrating gay marriage" and "banning gay marriage". How have you been forced to celebrate it? Have you been forced to attend a same-sex wedding?
Gays getting married does nothing to your ability to worship as you see fit. Feel free to tell me how gays getting married prohibits your religious freedom.....I can't wait.
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Since “homophobe” is undefined, there is nowhere to go with that.
Properly it is a noun which means “a person with an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people”, but as it has been used in these discussions it may mean simply people with different religious views than you.
“.... I would make a stink. That is just the kind of person that I am.”
Oh, after reading your posts for awhile, I completely believe you.
You know it all, you’re right, and the world better make haste in implementing your wishes.
No doubt.
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You know neither the meaning of "right" nor "bigotry."
Until you came along, the WORLD, since time immemorial, had disapproved the marriage of two men. Why? Because it's, well . . . So the WORLD, from time immemorial was denying gay men a "right," and was "bigoted."
Rights are God-given. Where and when was it said that God gave you this "right"? Scripture speaks against it in the strongest terms.
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Decades ago it was the norm to publicly ridicule and persecute homosexuals. I grew up with this mindset and believed it was right. No government can or should make amends for the harms that many of us perpetrated in the past. It is up to each of us individually to do this.
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Wow--conversion therapy. How sad that Mr. Gabriel is so woefully uninformed about this issue. Perhaps he is unaware of the suicide rate among young people who identify as transgender? Or the need for support of what is definitely not a lifestyle choice among teens? Makes me sad.
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I am not Catholic but I am deeply offended by your sweeping generalization about what Catholics supposedly believe. If you had made the same comments about a certain other ideology, you would have been accused of hate speech and of having a particular type of phobia. Your comment might not even have seen the light of day. Although your comment would be considered uncivil by many, my fervent belief in freedom of speech compels me to defend you. It is a shame however that criticism of another faith - one whose adherents not only condone the murder of gays but also carry it out - can result in legal charges being brought against the critics. It is a sad statement about our times that one of our most cherished liberties - freedom of speech - has become a one-way street.
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I think throwing gay men (and political opponents as in the case of HAMAS) off seven story buildings is one of my favourites.
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Good, I hope they have a transgender section. My inner woman would like that
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Motley: great idea guys....let's deflect the conversation into an attack on gays. That's really constructive.
Ms Edwards tells a story which I certainly accept as true. Over decades men were able to "lord it over" women in every way. That included insulting and demeaning them with inappropriate sexual comments and actions. I say "inappropriate"...however, those comments and actions were so widespread and accepted that many would have been upset with someone terming them "inappropriate." How would either of you gentlemen (Motley and GBA) like to have had your young daughter treated as Ms. Edwards was treated? There are millions of stories far too similar to hers and it's "way past time" men's behavior changed and women received the respect they deserve.
If you guys can't at least agree to that concept, you're not worth the time. Gary Crum
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All of our closest allies have successfully integrated transgender members into their armed forces. It's sad that the land of opportunity withholds this opportunity from our transgender citizens. And it was unfathomably rude and utterly unforgivable for Trump to tell thousands of actively serving brave souls that their service is not wanted or appreciated.
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Saudi Arabia, our US ally and oil provider has a simple legal system as far as homosexuals are concerned. They are not ISIS. They are the mainstream Sunni Branch of Islam. President Obama visited them just recently to try to get them to buy into his Iran nuclear weapons deal.
Saudi Arabia follows Shar’ia Law: “Penalty: Prison sentences of several months to life, fines and/or whipping/flogging, chemical castration, torture, vigilante execution or death can be sentenced on first conviction. A second conviction automatically merits immediate execution.”
A list of actual legal sentences carried out in Saudi Arabia can be found here for apologists for Islam.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Homosexuals_(Saudi_Arabia)
Iran, of course follows the same Shar'ia Law, although they are of the Shi'ite Branch of Islam. Homosexuals fare no better in Iran than in Saudi Arabia, or many of our other Arab 'friends' in the Middle East.
The persecution of homosexuals is Muslim doctrine.
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Except foe the little Nuns, the cake bakers, and the people who refused to provide a homosexual ceremony. But the Muslims have no such accommodation problems in refusing to perform job duties such as delivery of lawful products that they were hired to deliver.
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The LGBT community embraces the Democratic party because they accept them. I'm not sure because they accept LGBTs that it makes their agenda gay lol.
Donald Trump is the Republican President, he is far from a typical Republican, well he WAS anyway. Would you argue that the far right of the Republican party has not taken over the Republican party? Have alt right nationalists NOT flocked to the Republican party and NOT help elect Trump? Pot meet kettle.
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Youre confused. Being against gay marriage means youre against gay equality, which Is bigotry
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Its BS like this that make me want to not read the denver post. You can take out transgender daughter and add any thing; race, sex, economic status. And you get a whiny, blame everyone but themselves, letter writer. My life is so hard waa waa the judge is part of the white male priveledge class so I can refuse to do it and whine tell I get my way. Frankly this womans letter did not help her "daughter" in any way. She thinks her "daughter" has it hard now wait tell she has a crying game moment
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I hope all understands that I was teasing blackmorano. The point is Obama is not a Muslim, but a Christian. But more importantly it should not matter if he was a Muslim or even a transgender.
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what is worse Justin going to Gay parades as BC and Alberta are burning
or Trump going golfing after a hurricane.
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Since she has basically announced that she only wants women as tenants, "a shared work space for women-owned ventures.", Strgar would appear to be in violation of the Oregon statutes prohibiting discrimination based on gender. Who wants to file the first complaint with BOLI? The last one involving rejection of a couple of gay women and a cake resulted in a $135,000 award. "BOLI: Filing a complaint usually begins by filling out a complaint Questionnaire and returning it to the Portland office. The Questionnaire is available online"
From that Award:
"Within Oregon’s public accommodations law is the basic principle of human decency that every person, regardless of their sexual orientation, has the freedom to fully participate in society."
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Russell,statistically homosexuals don't prey on our children. Pedophiles do. And statistics do show that pedophiles have a high propensity for recidivism. Do you have children?
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What transgender has "bullied" any lady to get in their "bathrooms". (You mean public restrooms so use the correct terms). So far despite the fact that transgender's were not just invented to annoy you, none. There are laws on the books since I was a child in the 1950's that already makes any criminal behavior in a public restroom a crime. In Ladies public restrooms over the decades I have been bothered by women who were off their meds and had to help them calm down until help arrived, I have seen women shooting up, smoking pot, having sex, passing out drunk in public restrooms making a mess of the stalls, not flushing the toilet and not washing their hands and taking their sons into the restrooms and not lifting the toilet seats. And add to that moms who change their babies diapers and leave the dirty diaper on the floor and one elderly woman just out of the hospital I gave CPR to . Quit holding women up to such high standards as sainthood when using a public restroom.
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One thing I do know is that our Lord would most certainly "have a problem" with a Clinton presidency which would have opened the floodgates to infanticide and homosexual unions.
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That bodybuilder is transgender (female to male). If people want others to use bathrooms with the equipment they were born with, then he would be using the women's room. If philhiblers wife was in the restroom and he came in, should she say there is a man in the wrong bathroom? Or will phil tell her to rest easy since he is "really a woman" and should be using the women's room?
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You are utterly naive if you think that some children won't be ostracized, beaten and treated badly at home if some parents find out they are gay.
It must be nice to live in a fantasy land where all parents are perfect.
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Al right, give us the "right reason" for not allowing gay civil marriage? So far, the only things I have seen really amount to feelings. The opponents of gay marriage invoke "natural law", but all too often, such invocations are saying "I don't have an actual argument, so I say 'natural law' and hope no one notices I'm just hand-waving."
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Do you wanna bet he was a hardliner who loved the old Mass and the "reform of the reform", worshipped JPII and Benedict, always wore a cassock and biretta and preached about the evils of abortion, gay marriage and expected his people to pray-pay-obey? That would have assured his ordination.
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Gender identity is not the same as sex according to science. Why do you have such a problem with trans people?
As far as selecting female on the screening (background and drug), it is very difficult to get ones birth certificate changed to match one's gender identity and it is not a fast or easy process to legally change ones name, thus, he probably had no choice but to select female.
Furthermore, I challenge you to post peer-reviewed "contradicting" studies to the overwhelming scientific evidence of global warming and the resultant climate change. I'll settle for one or two, much less "lots"
Based on all this, the only one who is picking and choosing science that suits there agenda is you.
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(*In 2016, “gender identity or expression” was added to the Charter;
**Discrimination based on “sexual orientation” has been prohibited since 1977 (Parti Québécois); with that change, Québec became the first jurisdiction in the Americas larger than a city or county to prohibit anti-gay discrimination.
That’s lead Canada (BC + Ont.) to adopt the Civil Marriage Act…in 2005 (Bloc Québécois)
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I find the comments of those who have (most likely) no understanding of Courage truly mystifying (and humorous). When good men and women choose to live by the teachings of the Church of their own accord, who are you to criticize? Here are men and women who have clearly accepted their sexual orientation (otherwise, why would they belong to a same sex oriented group), and found a way to place that in perspective of their Catholic beliefs. Instead of the name calling and attacking this thread is highlighting, how about a little encouragement and support for them. It is not everyone's calling - that's clear when Fr. Bochanski says diocesan chapters may have 20 members (I can usually count 20 gay men in my parish's 10:0 Mass alone each Sunday). And who are these people interfering with? No one is saying all gay and lesbian Catholics must attend Courage in advancement of their faith - instead, it is an offered ministry, just like many of the Church's other ministries for the faithful.
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HAHAHAHA!!!!! Trumpers and Flexibility, you mean on gay rights-women's rights-gun control to name a few...#MAGA
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You cannot refuse to sell a cake to anybody if you own such business. But the issue here is to make a cake especially decorated for a certain occasion. The baker who believes gay marriage is an atrocity is right . Coming back to the good old Nazi case: If you order a cake especially decorated for Hitlers 100th birthday for example I believe it could be refused on certain grounds.
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"One shouldn't believe *anybody's* self-serving nonsense."
I'll remember that the next time you make the claim that homosexuality is the "sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance."
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Character issues concerning Trump is irrelevant simply because Trump became the 45th president of this United States of America of ours in spite of CHARACTER ISSUES - "not fit to be president", a racist, a bigot, etc. etc.
Blindsiding military commanders concerning the banning of gays in the military is not an issue.
There is no such thing as "blindsiding military commanders" when it comes to an order of the Commander-In-Chief to ban gays in the military.
Name just one issue that involves the nation - not the character of Trump.
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No, you're wrong.
You need to see below the surface of the news.
You need to think below the conventional wisdom we're handed by our leaders.
The reality is much different than what we are led to believe.
There used to be a lot of sympathy for the poor in Canada when 20 or 30 % of the population was poor. Official scapegoats as outlets for hate were the First Nations, ethnic groups, and gays. The last 15 years, there's been a big shift. As ethnics, gays, women and now Indigenous people are held in better regard higher on the social economic ladder, the poor have been pushed further down to the bottom of the ladder. It's a subtle, silent hate for the poor, but a very real one.
Automation and globalization are convenient excuses for why the poor are unemployed; but not for why society forces them to exist on $610 a month and mistreats them with dehumanization.
That's the life threatening economics of it; socially the poor are ignored, neglected, rejected, and mistreated
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"Gays can get 'married' civilly, but not in the Catholic Church."
Wholly irrelevant to gay civil marriage. Gay couples can give "total self gift, one for the other". If you say they can't, then you don't know any gay couples. You are going with your feelings, not reasons.
You are pushing the idea that people get married to have children. While that is a reason that some people get married, it is generally not the reason people marry. You are also getting close to saying that heterosexual couples who are unable to procreate do not have proper marriages.
"You believe love is a feeling, not the willing sacrifice of one toward the other's good."
Two problems: First, it is not what I believe, and nothing I have ever said would lead a easonable person to say it is. Second, if this is an argument against gay civil marriage, it assumes that gay couples cannot make "the willing sacrifice of one toward the other's good."
No, you have given us your feelings, and nothing else.
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The (dare I say "vast"?) majority of trans people do not transform to Betty Boop. But many are trying so hard to be accepted that they over-compensate. As acceptance from the public happens, that pressure will probably lessen. Most want to be accepted for who they are. But at the moment the community is still fully aware that "passing" isn't just an aesthetic issue, it is a survival issue -- trans people get killed, assaulted or ostracized at a much higher rate than non-trans folks. If accepted from childhood, I believe you'll see more normalcy. Let's find out.
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This is interesting in light of the fact that the Vatican came out swinging against the "gender agenda" at Beijing 1995 (4th world conference on women) . . . was determined to influence policy and law and teamed up with religious partners that have zero interest in women's equality and are proud of it. They did it again at the 2014 Humanum Conference on marriage and complementarity, where they linked arms with conservative Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and Southern Baptists to OD on gender stereotypes and declare homosexuality a meaningless construct. Did this help the "religious liberty" cause in the US? Undoubtedly, it did. Curious, and disturbing.
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With all due respect, if you weren't a half-a$$ed "liberal", you would realize that all the religions, ancient, obsolete, superstitious, anti-democratic, anti-scientific, irrational, absolutist authoritarian, are antithetical to women, gays, and democracy.
Most importantly, they are always used throughout history - and now into the 21st Century - to scare and dumb down, divide and conquer, fool and rule, the people.
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No -- actually it was just a typo. I meant to write 'the' but was writing on a cell phone with a tiny screen. Sorry for the confusion.
On the other hand, I rather like the suggestion that heterosexuals might want to start using a different term for homosexuals than the word 'gay'. Gay was once a mainstream word that meant (approximately) 'having a lovely time' or 'youthful-and-having-fun' -- (i.e. "Our Hearts Were Young and Gay" -- a rather silly short-story circa 1942 would certainly not have the same meaning today.) So yes, I feel that 'heteros' have every right to reclaim the word 'gay'. It always seemed a very inaccurate word to use for 'men-sexually-attracted to other men'.
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The Church Militant thing isn't just about anti-gay speech, but it doesn't surprise me that it would include it.
"Church Militant" is an ancient expression that originally meant the Church in the temporal realm -- in other words, the Church active in the world. Today it has been co-opted by a group of highly aggressive, very conservative Catholics who have made it their cause to fight anything progressive, either in the Church itself or in society in general. They're not interested in dialogue, only in forcing their point of view.
These people are characterized by a kind of no-holds-barred rhetoric that is anything but charitable. You might recall that people from this group were at least partly responsible for taking down the old NCR Disqus site with their hateful messages.
Again, I really hope NCR explores Steve Bannon's relationship with this movement. In my opinion, it's exactly the sort of thing they should be devoting attention to.
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Paul Martin personally did not vote in favour of gay marriage, however, which was his right.
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Our bodies are designed with systems that have a specific purpose, and nature reacts when those systems are used improperly. Sometimes there's a defense mechanism, such as, e.g., vomiting; other times a vulnerability is created whereby another organism takes advantage, such as reduced immunity allows pneumonia to develop. The multitude of STDs, diseases unique to the sex organs, is indicative of nature's specific intention to avoid misuse of the sex organs. Multiple partners, sodomy, etc... all increase the spread of disease, regardless of the sexes abusing their organs.
Most people will avoid risk taking when it comes to sex, but for some reason homosexual men have shown the distinct inability to control their behavior. STDs run rampant in the homosexual male culture compared to straight culture. Call it nature, call it God, but the signals are clear, AND the diseases are all avoidable with proper conduct. What's absurd is that the conduct continues.
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This is what silence on mob rule produces. Its produces encouragement for more mob rule.
A riot that shut down the free speech rights of a gay Catholic.
Student newspaper justifies violence for the sake of shutting down free speech.
This is the most violent assault on free speech and Catholicism is decades, but NCR refuses to even comment on it.
It would rather allow voices to justify violence in the name of silencing Catholics.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/uc-berkeley-student-paper-publishes-five-op-eds-defending-violent-riots/
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No certainly not. I am gay, and not Christian but I am shocked by the anti Christian prejudices that verge on persecution of Christians. THese LGBT hearings are an effort to steal rights away from Trinity College, rather than to defend the rights of all people which I thought was the role or the SCC.
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Kasich believes in gay marraige.
Kasich believes in illegal immigration.
Kasich believes in Common Core.
Kasich believes in expanding Medicaid.
Kasich believes in anthropogenic global warming.
Kasich believes the Koch brothers are bad.
But you actually think those are the traits of a staunch conservative?
LMAO
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CMD: The details of this case are readily available. The Court's findings are readily available. The Bakery was found to have discriminated in violation of Statutes regarding protected class status and refusal of accomodations/services. The case will likely go clear to the Supreme Court regarding the Bakers' contention that their First Amendment Rights include the right to refuse service to a gay couple, based on their religious beliefs trumping the anti-discrimination law.
I have absolutely no knowledge of what kind of Christian your Grandmother was. However, I do criticize Christians who use their religion as a tool to justify discriminating against LGBT individuals. I feel we should allow others to live their own lives w/o our interference so long as they aren't hurting anyone else. IMO, individuals in consensual gay relationships are hurting no one. Indeed, I will continue to criticize discrimination against such couples. I make no apologies for that. Gary Crum
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...Perhaps if your science comes from either the Middle Ages or from FOX News as both seem to be of the same relevance. I was extremely skeptical when my son first came out but I did study like a workhorse, including both sides (talked to priests and etc.), and came away convinced of the claims of LGBT folks that their orientations and etc. are natural and on a spectrum of normality. I'm no dummy, neither am I a sheep. I'm not implying you are either one but you do seem to have a stick in your eye when it comes to anything having to do with gay men and I've asked you before what has caused that. Compared to some other more liberal opinions that you have at times expressed, it doesn't seem to make any sense to me and I'm willing to listen to your story.
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The author forgot to mention a few things. The first thing this (so-called) administration did was remove the LGBT section from the White House website. A little foreboding, no? And the legal brief that they supplied that said that the Civil Rights Act doesn’t apply to LGBT Americans, that was for a case that they weren’t even a party to. So the Trump administration went out of their way to make it clear to all Americans that they don’t support gay rights. As for transgender Americans serving in the military, Trump lied when he explained why he wants this ban: having transgender people serve is too expensive, and we need to be ready to win. We now know that is a bald-faced lie. The military spends 10-times as much money on erectile dysfunction drugs; and there are currently (approx) 15,000 trans military people currently serving... without issue. So both of Trump’s excuses don’t hold water. This is simply Trump pandering to his religious base. Pathetic.
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