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A: and still I ended up going two semesters when I got out just to get my degree.
B: That's pretty good.
A: But, I've been in school ever since
B: That's good.
A: Yeah,
A: I guess.
B: Yeah,
B: that's, uh,
B: I don't know.
B: There's other kinds of service to the country that could be done, you know,
A: Yeah,
A: I mean if you don't like,
B: I mean, working in the national parks, Uh, working, clean up the roadsides
A: Sure.
A: Exactly.
B: I mean, I've always felt that people on welfare should be required to spend at least part of their time, *why no slash? not all the time because that takes away from their opportunity to look for a job, but at least some of their time to look for, to go out and clean up the roads. You know,
A: Oh yeah, Absolutely.
B: I mean,
A: All these, all this money that we're throwing away to pay people to go out and do things when we're paying all these welfare recipients,
A: and if they're able-bodied people, I don't see any problem at all with having them go out there and, and, if nothing else, get a group of them together and take them around to old folks places and let them cut the yards, paint the houses.
B: Yeah.
B: Yeah,
B: we'd learn service to other people in this country.
A: Sure ,
A: sure.
A: So I'm,
A: get something out of that money.
B: Country would benefit,
A: Yeah
A: I've,
B: I mean, uh,
A: yeah,
A: yeah,
A: my next door neighbor when I was growing up, worked for the unemployment division,
A: and his sole job was just tracking down people who were getting benefits and able-bodied
A: and,
B: That right.
A: Yeah,
A: and he, he had all kinds of horror stories.
A: You know, these guys go down there and get their unemployment checks,
A: and, back, back in those days they also use to give you, uh, booklets good for, uh, clothing and gas, and things like this
B: Yeah.
A: They get all this stuff together and sit down and have poker games you know,
B: Yeah.
A: and I'm, I I have a hard time dealing with that.
B: What I hear one time, I think it was on Paul Harvey's, uh, radio segment, that he said that if the money that goes into welfare each year was to be given directly to the people without all the middle people in the government bureaucracy, each person would receive like forty-five thousand dollars.
A: Uh-huh.
B: I mean, I was astounded.
B: I don't even make that.
A: No,
A: I know.
A: I, you, you think about, you think about the layer of bureaucracy between the money and the recipient,
B: Yeah,
B: and somebody's taking that away.
A: and, and there's probably, there's easily probably six or seven times that amount being spent on the bureaucracy.
B: Yeah,
B: no doubt.
A: You know, it's, it's, it's totally ridiculous,
A: and now, I, I, I, uh, started out when I first got in graduate school
A: I was going into public administration,
A: and, uh, quite honestly I just got so fed up with it I just couldn't stand it any more.
B: Is that right,
A: Yeah,
A: I mean, this is the kind of thing you look at.
B: Yeah.
A: You sit there
A: and when you're writing up budgets, you wonder, okay, how much money do we need.
A: Well, you need X number dollars for the recipients
A: but you need X number dollars to administer the program.
A: Well just ridiculous.
B: Yeah.
A: This is ridiculous.
B: It's sad.
A: It is,
A: it's pathetic.
A: I mean, there's got to be a different way.
A: There's got to be a better way.
A: But it'll never happen.
A: I mean, these these people out here getting that money are big voting blocks.
B: Yeah.
B: Yeah.
B: What would happen if the required young people to do service to the country,
B: what should they get in return, I wonder.
B: Like, uh,
A: I think, I think there ought to be some kind of assistance as far as, uh,
A: and I would limit it strictly to something like tuition assistance.
B: Yeah.
A: Give an incentive.
B: Educational or vocational training or something.
A: Yeah.
A: Something that's going to help them along the way.
B: And they'll help the country eventually, too, because rather than having a bunch of uneducated people we can have educated people,
A: Sure,
A: I mean,
A: Well, this,
A: I mean I mean, look at the statistics,
B: and that's only going to help.
A: I mean, it's sad.
A: One in five Americans can't read
B: Yeah.