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[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores.", ">\n\nI'm sure the state of California had everything to do with its failure." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores.", ">\n\nI'm sure the state of California had everything to do with its failure.", ">\n\nRead the article. It’s right there." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores.", ">\n\nI'm sure the state of California had everything to do with its failure.", ">\n\nRead the article. It’s right there.", ">\n\nOh, come on: You know that's not how this works." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores.", ">\n\nI'm sure the state of California had everything to do with its failure.", ">\n\nRead the article. It’s right there.", ">\n\nOh, come on: You know that's not how this works.", ">\n\nThere are so many delivery services, why would anyone ever go to a shop?" ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores.", ">\n\nI'm sure the state of California had everything to do with its failure.", ">\n\nRead the article. It’s right there.", ">\n\nOh, come on: You know that's not how this works.", ">\n\nThere are so many delivery services, why would anyone ever go to a shop?", ">\n\nA personal reason, I really enjoy knowing the exact product I'm getting since it's never the same between any two times. The smell and flavor profile is my favorite part about bud, the high is secondary. Conveying how a batch of weed smells and therefore will likely taste is REALLY hard to do through a label/description." ]

[ "It's really amazing that weed dealers ever managed to make a profit without touchscreens and faux Nordic decor in the past.", ">\n\nThis is what happens when politicians and businesses try to get involved with things they can never fathom. We don't want Walmarts with pot, not McPuffnalds or Buzzazon corporate dealers and their current trend and overhead up pricing. We don't want to be bled dry yet again for the sake of stock holder demands.\nAll we ever wanted was to walk out of Dirtbag Mike's front door without getting raked across the coals by the court system.\nEdit add: Thought of another. Dunkin Doobies", ">\n\nYou missed Bong John Silver's", ">\n\nWhite widow castle", ">\n\nCannabist Buy", ">\n\nBed, Bud & Beyond", ">\n\nPuffalow High Things", ">\n\nIn and edibles right next to puff bell", ">\n\nI prefer High Guys", ">\n\nDank in the Box", ">\n\nI went to the location in downtown LA, and despite it being located in a grimy part of the city. it did feel like the store was trying way too hard to appeal to the \"Apple\" crowd. \nAll their items are on display cases like an Apple Store to them being seriously overpriced, compared to other shops.\nThe only difference that Medmen had was that you can reserve stuff online for pickup, but all that did was save a few minutes because you still had to complete your purchase in-store.", ">\n\nI go to the one in Tustin because it's close by and they give me a %15 Veteran discount, paired with the $5 I get back every other visit for my membership. Seems like a pretty good deal for me in OC at least.", ">\n\nPeople want weed, not a haute shopping experience. Make your business more like 7-11 and less like Saks and you might do better.", ">\n\nThe place I get it from is pretty nice but it's not like a fucking bougie ass Apple Store. It's nice enough to look at and not feel skeevy but fast service and very \"here's your shit, see ya\" and that's all I ever want from buying weed.", ">\n\nI'd say most dispensaries I've been to are also this way. I've run into the occasional \"am I actually in a strip club?\" type of place but it's not common", ">\n\nThere was one here in Denver owned by a strip club sharing the same parking lot. Really deflating that it went out of business", ">\n\nAt least you had some good mammaries from the place.", ">\n\n\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed”\n\nWell... if anything could make me laugh at their failure... that's it.\nI'm the Brad Pitt of men who aren't Brad Pitt.", ">\n\nThey walked by an Apple store, saw masses of people, and thought to themselves “wow, people really love that store layout.”", ">\n\nAll I can think of when I hear \"Apple Store of Weed\" is the same weed sold everywhere else for $18 wrapped up in a pretty package and pretentious attitude selling for $120.\nI guess they didn't realize you need a Jobsian Cult of clueless sycophants to pull that off.", ">\n\nNothing like going into a ritzy weed shop and paying a 75% markup just for the privilege of shopping there.", ">\n\nI’ve always heard it called the emerald triangle, even when I lived in arcata.", ">\n\nMy perfect store is if it had a drive thru or if I never had to interact with a person", ">\n\nThey should use the bank style drive thru tubes", ">\n\nThey have those here in Colorado", ">\n\nI hate shopping for weed in places like this tbh", ">\n\nCan’t remember the name of the business but I stopped at a dispensary like this in Illinois once. When you got in past the security guy you were immediately greeted by a salesperson with an iPad and you’d have to describe what you were looking for and then they’d recommend product. You could also browse around but it was ridiculous how limited the selection was given the square footage. Who comes up with this kinda shit", ">\n\nAs an Illinois resident our dispensaries are awful and so pricy, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Michigan’s a short drive away and at least when I was there last summer shit was CHEAP.", ">\n\nA dispensary in Bloomington-Normal wanted to charge me $264 for gummies that cost $40 from my dude back home", ">\n\nYou can't even buy more than 100mg of gummies in one container in IL. What the hell dispensary is charging even $40 for 100mg let alone $254?", ">\n\nThere was that too but I didn't want to type out a whole detailed rant. Just point out one absurdity quickly.", ">\n\nKirkland Signature Stash", ">\n\nMedMen, California's 'Apple Store of weed,' is about to fail \nLester Black February 6, 2023\nMedMen was the hottest cannabis store in California when the state’s recreational pot market opened in 2018.\nThe retail chain called itself the “Apple Store of weed” and national media outlets, from Esquire to Vanity Fair, hailed this California pot company as the upscale future of legal pot. Before long, MedMen had opened locations in seven states and even expanded to Manhattan.\nBut now MedMen’s empire is on the verge of financial failure.\nThe company has over $137 million more in debt than assets with only $15 million of cash on hand, according to a financial disclosure released last week. MedMen said in its disclosure that there was “substantial doubt” as to whether it can pay its bills for the next year.\nMedMen has more than 700 employees and is headquartered near Los Angeles, according to its annual filing last year. It has 23 stores across the country in six states (it withdrew from Florida last August), and three locations in the Bay Area, in San Jose, San Francisco and Emeryville. The company did not respond to SFGATE’s request for comment.\nMedMen went public on the Canadian stock exchange in 2018, raising $110 million at an evaluation of $1.65 billion. The stock was trading at more than $6 a share in 2018, but it’s now worth less than $0.04.\nPriya Sopori, a cannabis attorney based in Los Angeles, said MedMen’s value as a business has been “hotly disputed” for many years.\n“I think there was significant disagreement as to whether or not MedMen was worth what MedMen said it was worth,” Sopori told SFGATE. “In many ways I think we’re seeing the consequences of those valuations from years ago.”\nMedMen’s financial disclosure is only the latest warning sign that California’s cannabis economy is struggling, with many companies close to out of business. Expensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\nDebt has become a particularly big problem for the state’s industry. California law allows distributors and retailers to buy cannabis on credit with an agreement to pay the supplier back in the future. But many retailers are not paying these debts, according to Brett Gelfand, the managing partner of CannaBiz Collects, a cannabis-focused debt collection agency.\n“We’re seeing the same debtors over and over again. Sometimes we have 20 different clients submitting their claims against the same debtor, so the debtor is drowning in debt,” Gelfand said. MedMen has expanded to six states and is listed on the Canadian stock exchange.\nGelfand estimated that 80% of his business comes from California and “the last 6 to 9 months are the busiest times ever we’ve seen” in the state. He said it can be almost impossible for companies to get fully repaid by retailers who have run up high levels of debt, whom he called “problem children.”\n“In California, with the problem children, getting paid in full has become uncommon, very rare,” Gelfand said. “They're probably going to go out of business, they have big egos, and they’re not going to pay their bills. Those are the debtors that are going to get weeded out this year, they’re going out of business all the time.”\nOne insider told Green Market Report that he estimated that half of California’s cannabis retailers will go out of business this year because of debt problems. Gelfand said he was actually optimistic about 2023, because now most of the bad operators have already gone under or others are teetering on the verge of a collapse.", ">\n\nHonestly since delivery I don't go in store anymore, I'm in NV though. I feel you gotta spend money on a) the product, b) the pricing, and c)the logistics. I don't really care how fancy the brick and mortar store is at that point. I do order from p13 because their deals are great, I went in once to register my stuff and I was kinda overwhelmed to be honest. I just do delivery from them now and haven't been physically inside a dispensary since. I order about twice a week, so it was great to cut out a drive. I've been to a lot dispensaries the last 9 years and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. I mainly want a good product for a good price, after that I might be turned off by a weird atmosphere or confusing layout. After that really slow and disorganized staff that know less about weed than I do.", ">\n\nhow's delivery? is there a minimal amount to buy? i assume you have to tip? i've only gone to brick and mortar locations.", ">\n\nThere is delivery in my State also. You don't have to tip the driver, but is nice to do. Most places the delivery is free, and minimum of 75 dollars.", ">\n\nSome of the places in Washington I go to look pretty nice but it’s always a bare bones operation. The store I go to is tribal owned and have 30% off something on the daily. There’s a happy medium between boutique and bodega that will still make money without draining your customers bank account.", ">\n\nNot sure where you’re at in WA, but speaking of tribal owned shops, the one in Marysville by the huge Walmart shopping center is legit. And they have a HUGE selection.", ">\n\nIf it’s like where I’m at, licenses were handed out to people with money. They are the best at taking more than they deserve. Regulation benefited only those that could benefit those that regulate.", ">\n\nBig city im close to tried something to combat that. Residents of the city get first dibs at licensing.. they got sued over it. And it was a slow roll out too, so while there were grow houses in the city, and medical dispensaries existed on the border of the suburbs... they slow rolled the licensing and as a result, the suburbs got built up with dispensaries. In my little town of less than 3 sq miles, bordering the city, we have 5 recreational dispensaries, 6 if you include the \"tobacco\" pipe shop that is now selling... while there is barely any in the city proper.", ">\n\nNeed to simplify their business model. Only supply one product, delivered is small plastic bags, and have a schedule of what street corners you will be at like a food truck....or literally operate a munchies truck.", ">\n\nUnusual to see a newer episode of Simpsons predicting stuff.", ">\n\nWe never needed “apple stores” we only need a legitimate place to buy, why are weed stores more equipped with so much technology and glitz ?", ">\n\nYeah, people used to buying their weed in a Taco Bell parking lot aren't looking for a lot opulence.", ">\n\nThis was a trash company and will always be", ">\n\nMedmen? More like mids, man.", ">\n\nLmao. Gotta find a niche and turns out nobody likes the \"apple experience\" when it comes to weed.\nI had an experience with a local dispensary in my hometown that looked like I walked into a high end spa or salon and I did not go back because it was so weird. Probably thought they would cater to the demographic that didn't do the \"bruh cultuŕe\" as a stoner. But as a Canadian, we tend to be more relaxed about cannabis ..", ">\n\nMy office number is one digit off of one of their locations. \nI have a 50/50 chance that anyone calling my office line is actual business, or Someone too stoned to hit the right number and call for their weed.", ">\n\nThe jokes you could play...", ">\n\nOh no, the market moved on without them. Now let big banks a car manufacturers fail please.", ">\n\nI need a store set up like a back ally. Two guys sleeping on the floor or a fake house set up with a creepy guy in a white beater sitting on a dilapidated couch watching Bad Boys. Would make me feel more comfortable.", ">\n\nLooks cringingly bad in there. Like you wouldnt bother cos you can see the extra costs being tagged on before you even walk in", ">\n\nKing's Crew in Long Beach is almost like an Apple store. Decor is more like a jewelry store that sublets a 711. There are tablets, but that's for the employees to make sure they are helping the right customers.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that having ten times more space than you need would be a bad thing?", ">\n\nI don’t get why so many of these type of weed stores have to model themselves after apple.", ">\n\nWhen weed was legalized in Canada, I paid Motley Fool for advice on which marijuana businesses to invest in. I lost money.", ">\n\nMotley fool is staffed by people that weren't good enough to work for actual wall Street (i.e. land good offers)\nAka serial bullshitters", ">\n\nI went to their spot in WeHo once. One time. There's plenty of better options around.", ">\n\nI thought these stores were annoying in the way they operate. A bit clunky and end up standing around waiting for someone to help you, a regular line is much better.", ">\n\nI've bought legal weed in CA, CO, NJ and NV. Probably the best ease of experience was in CO, just go in show id, tell them what you want and you're in and out. NJ let me use my debit card, which was awesome because I was just short on cash. All other states make you use cash. All the ones in NV seemed way too over the top for me.", ">\n\nThat is my experience in Los Angeles. Show ID, pay with credit card. Or even better, order+pay in app and have it delivered.", ">\n\nPlace is the worst. Went too one about 5 years ago and never went back. Overpriced dry af herb", ">\n\nI used to frequent Med Men. I noticed a lot of staff turnover. Their prices were high. There's so much competition now and lots of brick and mortar stores with better deals and lower prices.", ">\n\nThey overcharge tremendously", ">\n\nThey always have way too many employees in this place too. You can go in off hours and there are like 10 people standing around asking you how they can help.", ">\n\nThese places weed is usually absolute dog shit.", ">\n\nflower co is where it's at", ">\n\none hundred percent.", ">\n\nOver 700 employees across 23 stores in only 6 states…gee I wonder why they’re in financial ruin. Not to mention only having $15m in cash — for a supposedly highly sought after weed chain — with $137m in debt. Lol, maybe trying to brand yourself as some high brand “weed store” wasn’t such a wise move?\nI’ve always said, and apparently it remains true, the black/gray market for weed will always reign supreme. The taxes that pass along to the consumer alone was enough for me to believe that. Then you add on all the nonsense you have to jump through as a business and it becomes almost a laughable business venture for the long run. \nAll that said, I’m looking at it from a NY perspective, where it’s only been legal here for under 2yrs, with hardly any dispensaries to speak of. I’m sure the experience varies in other states that have actually been doing it right for years already, but even still, my stance on the black/gray market still stands.", ">\n\nOut in Denver the market is struggling as well, I guess a mix of people tightening their wallets with discretionary spending and an oversaturation on the supply/distribution side.\nThere are a ton of overpriced, shitty establishments that I really hope go out of business. Places that move at a snails pace, charge $50/eighth for mediocre weed at best, and barely have any assortment of bud. \nThen there's the place I now go to pretty much exclusively. Great assortment of sticky icky, tons of deals like $15/eighth (including tax, not plus tax), and friendly staff that get people in and out. Totally worth driving 15 minutes out of my way for.\nLike any sector, I think as the industry matures the well run businesses will do well while the shitty ones fail.", ">\n\nThank you for your suggestion. I had already planned on it after I posted my hypothesis. While they certainly overvalued themselves, the reason they and the entire legal pot industry is sagging is due to the regulations and taxation imposed. The black market is still running on all cylinders and the legal market, especially the supposed high-end joints, can't compete, so they can't pay their bills. How'd I do?", ">\n\nIn my non legal state, some of the cbd merchants have stores that look like day spas. They are staffed by very young peoples who consult graphs to prescribe vapes, edibles, gummies. Samples up front, inventory in the rear of store. This is where the cannabis tourist will shop and pay higher prices due to their inexperience and a touch of classism.", ">\n\nGood, dude on the corner still better than that crap", ">\n\nI am really not surprised that this business model went up in smoke.", ">\n\nLol fuck medmen and i dont even smoke weed", ">\n\nPlanet 13 in Vegas is the holy grail of all shops. Its an experience unlike any other", ">\n\nWhen it comes to weed, comparing California to Colorado is a good case study and a lesson in failed democracy vs functional democracy.\nAll California accomplished was to compel the black market to shift from police avoidance to tax and regulation avoidance.\nCalifornia’s state house didn’t create a free market for legal weed - they just used their monopoly over the legality to seize control of the revenues (to feed cash into their psychotically unchained and terminally unsustainable state budget). From a retail economic analysis California’s legal weed framework is identical to an east coast mob protection racket. The dealers gave it shot but it rapidly bcame glaringly obvious that the retailers can’t profit enough to get ahead by complying with the framework.\nColorado meanwhile used referendums to limit the state’s ability to tax weed and they created specific education based silo from the general fund for those taxes. Perhaps more philosophically, Colorado trusted that their weed-loving citizens and tourists could handle, within age-restriction regulations, a marketplace with almost no government intrusion. The only two changes in Colorado weed economics is 1) that the dealers have to pay rent now - which is a strong conpetitive benefit to everyone involved. And 2) That instead of dealing behind the schoolyards they are now paying a very reasonable tax to maintain the schools in exchage for being allowed to sell from fixed, secure, advertise-able and even insurable locations.\nIn California the government made legalization a barrier to market freedom, school’s fiscal health and market profitability. In Colorado the Government made legalization an advantage for all three.", ">\n\nWhy would anyone pay so much for weed when they can get a pack of seeds for cheap and get a grow kit with a LED grow light? It’s easier than ever to grow weed. The initial cost is high, but the lamps last a long time, and you can harvest pounds of weed if you do it right.", ">\n\nI have grown weed before, and it isn't that goddamn easy. Harder than making beer, harder than growing shrooms, both of which I've also done, and the whole operation also takes up more space. Nor do I even want pounds of weed, I want an ounce here and there, and preferably a little variety instead of exactly the same weed all the time. Meanwhile I can go buy an ounce of weed for not very much money at the local dispensary. The basic one, not the Apple Store-style dispensary with higher prices and worse service and mediocre product, because I haven't been to that shithole in like a year.", ">\n\nI still don’t understand. The article talks about how they’re not doing well financially but nothing about the imminent failure of the building’s structure. Are they still letting people in there?! Is the foundation failing or dry rot? Someone is gonna die when it collapses.", ">\n\nIt’s way overpriced mids", ">\n\nUgh. I wouldn't want to shop for weed there, it's too uncomfortable.", ">\n\nAnyone who goes to dispensaries can tell you why this business is failing, people buying weed don’t want to pay extra for an “upscale” purchasing experience. While sketchy dispensary do exist, weeds been legal for a good while now and there are a TON of dispensaries to choose from. The most successful ones operate more like bodegas/liquor stores and have tons of product and regular deals/sales. They operate the same as any retail business. The reason the Apple Store work for apple is that 1. Their products are hundreds of dollars. 2. The shops are more for advertising than revenue.", ">\n\nSadly, I fear that some States that prefer to jail people instead of legalizing the sale of pot will use this as an excuse not to legalize sale in their state. \nCorporations / venture// vulture capitalism will never stop attempting to get a piece of every pie. :-(", ">\n\nLooking forward to seeing how this shakes out. The legacy growers have been nearly pushed out of the market. Norcal economies are hurting and this was supposed to provide some relief, and the opposite has happened because the corrupt licensing process favored douchebags like this instead of the people who have built this business from the beginning.", ">\n\nSeems like the design worked perfectly. Made 137m for other people and then filing for bankruptcy. The Trump of Weed companies. Not apple.", ">\n\nI online order and walk in because I know what I want, where I want it from and I don't wanna stand in line and talk to people.\nSome dispensaries overcharge the heck out of you, too.\nI found super decent chronic here for sub 80 an ounce and it's all ill ever continue to buy. People paying $60+ for an eighth nowadays is wild.", ">\n\nMy vision of drug dealers are always profitable. 137m debt with 15m cash liquidity. I wonder how much other assets they have. And I wonder why they are in so much debt.", ">\n\nPerfectly describes Catalyst dispensaries here in LA. Overpriced and dry weed for 50 and 1/8th…I felt like i was in high school in ‘06 again.", ">\n\nMed Men took over Apothekare, which was a super nice dispensary, and made it slightly less nice. IDK who ever called them the Apple Store of weed lmao.", ">\n\nI remember 16 year old me buying maybe two grams of brick weed from Scumbag Steve who called it an eighth and charged fifty dollars because he was a senior and we had no other options. \nMy how times have changed. Scumbag Steve now works at Roseaurs and I see him every now and again and resist the urge to call out his HS bullshit every time.", ">\n\nNot a surprised at all. The original owners Adam and Andrew lied to investors many times to get what they needed. They did the same thing with Coastal Dispensary. They would drink beers in the office and talk about their South Park episode. Everything they touch burns to the ground.", ">\n\nGood lord I've never even heard of this place", ">\n\nI don’t hate the group that bought out the FL operations. Kind of fun aesthetic and story, and not bad product.", ">\n\nRetail prices on marijuana are too high. People will keep buying from their usual black market sources when the dispensary costs 3x as much and is often lower quality than street weed.", ">\n\nHello silly corporate attempts to deal weed. Here is what people want:\nBuckets overflowing with luscious sticky buds. Lots and lots of them.\nGet to work.", ">\n\nAll we need are weed vending machines, not fancy stores.", ">\n\nI'm sure the state of California had everything to do with its failure.", ">\n\nRead the article. It’s right there.", ">\n\nOh, come on: You know that's not how this works.", ">\n\nThere are so many delivery services, why would anyone ever go to a shop?", ">\n\nA personal reason, I really enjoy knowing the exact product I'm getting since it's never the same between any two times. The smell and flavor profile is my favorite part about bud, the high is secondary. Conveying how a batch of weed smells and therefore will likely taste is REALLY hard to do through a label/description.", ">\n\n\nExpensive regulations and high taxes are combining with crashing wholesale prices to make it almost impossible to make a profit in the legal industry.\n\nSounds strictly positive to me" ]

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[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake." ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan." ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens." ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another", ">\n\nWhy aren't you posting this on a Russian website instead of Reddit?\nThe way I see it, India sided with Russia who started a war for conquest with a side of genocide and ethnic cleansing. ^(Nevermind what they did to their own with that insane draft.)\nSo, Pakistan talking back is just out of fear that you might plan the same for them.\nDon't like that POV, do you?" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another", ">\n\nWhy aren't you posting this on a Russian website instead of Reddit?\nThe way I see it, India sided with Russia who started a war for conquest with a side of genocide and ethnic cleansing. ^(Nevermind what they did to their own with that insane draft.)\nSo, Pakistan talking back is just out of fear that you might plan the same for them.\nDon't like that POV, do you?", ">\n\nWhat on earth does Russia have to do with any of this? You realize the US and India did joint military drills literally 2 months ago....\nThe world doesn't just revolve around Russia and Ukraine. Fuck Russia and Fuck Putin, but get mad at China, Iran, and North Korea, who are providing material support to Russia.\nBroaden your world view a bit, and the way you see it might just improve." ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another", ">\n\nWhy aren't you posting this on a Russian website instead of Reddit?\nThe way I see it, India sided with Russia who started a war for conquest with a side of genocide and ethnic cleansing. ^(Nevermind what they did to their own with that insane draft.)\nSo, Pakistan talking back is just out of fear that you might plan the same for them.\nDon't like that POV, do you?", ">\n\nWhat on earth does Russia have to do with any of this? You realize the US and India did joint military drills literally 2 months ago....\nThe world doesn't just revolve around Russia and Ukraine. Fuck Russia and Fuck Putin, but get mad at China, Iran, and North Korea, who are providing material support to Russia.\nBroaden your world view a bit, and the way you see it might just improve.", ">\n\nGotcha, so I wonder how all those weapons from Afghanistan are ending up in Indian controlled Kashmir and I wonder how those terrorist groups using them are funded.\nIt blows my mind we still support Pakistan after Bin Laden was found smack in the middle of\nIt…" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another", ">\n\nWhy aren't you posting this on a Russian website instead of Reddit?\nThe way I see it, India sided with Russia who started a war for conquest with a side of genocide and ethnic cleansing. ^(Nevermind what they did to their own with that insane draft.)\nSo, Pakistan talking back is just out of fear that you might plan the same for them.\nDon't like that POV, do you?", ">\n\nWhat on earth does Russia have to do with any of this? You realize the US and India did joint military drills literally 2 months ago....\nThe world doesn't just revolve around Russia and Ukraine. Fuck Russia and Fuck Putin, but get mad at China, Iran, and North Korea, who are providing material support to Russia.\nBroaden your world view a bit, and the way you see it might just improve.", ">\n\nGotcha, so I wonder how all those weapons from Afghanistan are ending up in Indian controlled Kashmir and I wonder how those terrorist groups using them are funded.\nIt blows my mind we still support Pakistan after Bin Laden was found smack in the middle of\nIt…", ">\n\nI mean the US knew about Pakistan harbouring terrorists long before Laden was found, heck during the kargil war there is an interview of Bill Clinton stating that Pakistan is harbouring and funding terrorists. What i don't understand is why then did they decide to give money to Pakistan to help them fight against terrorists when they knew before even starting that Pakistan was funding those same terrorists, heck the US also knew about Pakistan's strategic depth plan for Afghanistan before they started and yet they funded the country that was supplying their enemies, leave that aside using terrorists for asymmetric warfare was something that Pakistan started in the Muslim world in 1947 itself before the Mujahideen there was the lashkar used against India this was before Islamic militancy groups were even a thing in the Arab world, the Mujahideen against Soviet union was not the first time Islamic militants were used by the state to achieve some objectives, it was the Pakistani bandwagon that later other countries joined (Palestine is an exception to this there militancy is homegrown) and that is why i say that the most influential Muslim of the modern era is Zia ul haq as he was able to cause such havock that Islamic world still has not fully recovered." ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another", ">\n\nWhy aren't you posting this on a Russian website instead of Reddit?\nThe way I see it, India sided with Russia who started a war for conquest with a side of genocide and ethnic cleansing. ^(Nevermind what they did to their own with that insane draft.)\nSo, Pakistan talking back is just out of fear that you might plan the same for them.\nDon't like that POV, do you?", ">\n\nWhat on earth does Russia have to do with any of this? You realize the US and India did joint military drills literally 2 months ago....\nThe world doesn't just revolve around Russia and Ukraine. Fuck Russia and Fuck Putin, but get mad at China, Iran, and North Korea, who are providing material support to Russia.\nBroaden your world view a bit, and the way you see it might just improve.", ">\n\nGotcha, so I wonder how all those weapons from Afghanistan are ending up in Indian controlled Kashmir and I wonder how those terrorist groups using them are funded.\nIt blows my mind we still support Pakistan after Bin Laden was found smack in the middle of\nIt…", ">\n\nI mean the US knew about Pakistan harbouring terrorists long before Laden was found, heck during the kargil war there is an interview of Bill Clinton stating that Pakistan is harbouring and funding terrorists. What i don't understand is why then did they decide to give money to Pakistan to help them fight against terrorists when they knew before even starting that Pakistan was funding those same terrorists, heck the US also knew about Pakistan's strategic depth plan for Afghanistan before they started and yet they funded the country that was supplying their enemies, leave that aside using terrorists for asymmetric warfare was something that Pakistan started in the Muslim world in 1947 itself before the Mujahideen there was the lashkar used against India this was before Islamic militancy groups were even a thing in the Arab world, the Mujahideen against Soviet union was not the first time Islamic militants were used by the state to achieve some objectives, it was the Pakistani bandwagon that later other countries joined (Palestine is an exception to this there militancy is homegrown) and that is why i say that the most influential Muslim of the modern era is Zia ul haq as he was able to cause such havock that Islamic world still has not fully recovered.", ">\n\nWouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?" ]

[ "Something tells me the military is plotting a coup and this sabar rattling against India is his last ditch try to show strength against the military generals.\nHe is begging to imf for money and then says he will crush evil eyes. How is he going to feel or fuel the army in case of a war?", ">\n\nI wish I had the confidence of Pakistan.\nTheir economy is in ruins. They are begging the IMF for another bailout.\nThey are almost at war with their allies the Afghan Taliban.\nThe TTP is carrying out attacks daily on Pakistani soil.\nA third of this country was under water a few months ago.\nThey have massive Political instability with opposition leaders being jailed every week.\nAnd yet ... And yet.... These idiots still cling to this fantasy of defeating and destroying India. Of breaking Kashmir away from India.\nMy man, please take care of your own country. You are almost a ruined nation that the world would like to forget about. You are in no position to go to war with India. Even with nuclear weapons.\nJust fix your own problems for fuck's sake.", ">\n\nIsn't it kinda the UKs fault?", ">\n\nNo it isn't even Mountbatten was against the partition and so was the INC, the two nation theory was rejected by the Muslim freedom fighters of the time as well, none of the members of the Muslim league were freedom fighters because guess what the Muslim freedom fighters were mostly in jail at the time when the Muslim league was peddling the idea of the two nation theory, it was a ploy to gain power and nothing more the proof for that is the fact that the Muslim league promised different things to different groups based on what they wanted to hear (if you asked them will Pakistan be secular they would say yes if you asked them would Pakistan be an Islamic state they would say yes and so on) because that was the only way to get the muslims of the subcontinent to vote in their favour. When people think how could 75% of the muslims in the subcontinent vote in favor of Pakistan (while only 66% went to Pakistan contrary to what many hindutva idiots think it wasn't 75% of the Muslim population in India but in British India where 66% went to Pakistan) the reason is because very soon people realised that the Muslim league had no plan.", ">\n\nFull stops and paragraphs, use it. It's much easier to read than a long wall of text, especially so for people reading on small mobile screens.", ">\n\nWell it is a pain to do that when i am using swipe typing on phone to write a response and i am lazy. But yeah will keep that in mind going forward", ">\n\nI though Pakistan had just reached out to India about improving relations", ">\n\nIn 1999, pakistan started a war just months after Indian and Pakistani prime ministers met and discussed bilateral talks for peace.\nHere in India every kid knows never to trust a single thing coming out of Pakistani mouths. They will hug u with 1 hand and try to stab u with another", ">\n\nWhy aren't you posting this on a Russian website instead of Reddit?\nThe way I see it, India sided with Russia who started a war for conquest with a side of genocide and ethnic cleansing. ^(Nevermind what they did to their own with that insane draft.)\nSo, Pakistan talking back is just out of fear that you might plan the same for them.\nDon't like that POV, do you?", ">\n\nWhat on earth does Russia have to do with any of this? You realize the US and India did joint military drills literally 2 months ago....\nThe world doesn't just revolve around Russia and Ukraine. Fuck Russia and Fuck Putin, but get mad at China, Iran, and North Korea, who are providing material support to Russia.\nBroaden your world view a bit, and the way you see it might just improve.", ">\n\nGotcha, so I wonder how all those weapons from Afghanistan are ending up in Indian controlled Kashmir and I wonder how those terrorist groups using them are funded.\nIt blows my mind we still support Pakistan after Bin Laden was found smack in the middle of\nIt…", ">\n\nI mean the US knew about Pakistan harbouring terrorists long before Laden was found, heck during the kargil war there is an interview of Bill Clinton stating that Pakistan is harbouring and funding terrorists. What i don't understand is why then did they decide to give money to Pakistan to help them fight against terrorists when they knew before even starting that Pakistan was funding those same terrorists, heck the US also knew about Pakistan's strategic depth plan for Afghanistan before they started and yet they funded the country that was supplying their enemies, leave that aside using terrorists for asymmetric warfare was something that Pakistan started in the Muslim world in 1947 itself before the Mujahideen there was the lashkar used against India this was before Islamic militancy groups were even a thing in the Arab world, the Mujahideen against Soviet union was not the first time Islamic militants were used by the state to achieve some objectives, it was the Pakistani bandwagon that later other countries joined (Palestine is an exception to this there militancy is homegrown) and that is why i say that the most influential Muslim of the modern era is Zia ul haq as he was able to cause such havock that Islamic world still has not fully recovered.", ">\n\nWouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?", ">\n\nbrah dont worry man pakistanis are far more efficient, strong, faithfull and dedicated in the mission of ruining their own nation than India can ever hope to be." ]

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[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended)." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).", ">\n\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\n\nI'm basing it on the common sense and how geneally the society doesn't care much about its less fortunate members.\nPlus the economy is i shambles with inflation raising to the roof." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).", ">\n\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\n\nI'm basing it on the common sense and how geneally the society doesn't care much about its less fortunate members.\nPlus the economy is i shambles with inflation raising to the roof.", ">\n\nIt’s not common sense if it’s not true my friend. \nI’d suggest talking with some pro-life people, you may be surprised at what we would be willing to do if it meant less abortion. \nWe aren’t bad people trying to hold women down and force them to live the handmaidens tale. That’s all panic porn BS, I promise you." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).", ">\n\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\n\nI'm basing it on the common sense and how geneally the society doesn't care much about its less fortunate members.\nPlus the economy is i shambles with inflation raising to the roof.", ">\n\nIt’s not common sense if it’s not true my friend. \nI’d suggest talking with some pro-life people, you may be surprised at what we would be willing to do if it meant less abortion. \nWe aren’t bad people trying to hold women down and force them to live the handmaidens tale. That’s all panic porn BS, I promise you.", ">\n\nIsn’t it already legal up to 6 weeks?" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).", ">\n\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\n\nI'm basing it on the common sense and how geneally the society doesn't care much about its less fortunate members.\nPlus the economy is i shambles with inflation raising to the roof.", ">\n\nIt’s not common sense if it’s not true my friend. \nI’d suggest talking with some pro-life people, you may be surprised at what we would be willing to do if it meant less abortion. \nWe aren’t bad people trying to hold women down and force them to live the handmaidens tale. That’s all panic porn BS, I promise you.", ">\n\nIsn’t it already legal up to 6 weeks?", ">\n\nUpdated law: 14weeks of pregnancy, 16weeks after last periods. \nOriginal one (Law Veil from 1975) was 10weeks" ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).", ">\n\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\n\nI'm basing it on the common sense and how geneally the society doesn't care much about its less fortunate members.\nPlus the economy is i shambles with inflation raising to the roof.", ">\n\nIt’s not common sense if it’s not true my friend. \nI’d suggest talking with some pro-life people, you may be surprised at what we would be willing to do if it meant less abortion. \nWe aren’t bad people trying to hold women down and force them to live the handmaidens tale. That’s all panic porn BS, I promise you.", ">\n\nIsn’t it already legal up to 6 weeks?", ">\n\nUpdated law: 14weeks of pregnancy, 16weeks after last periods. \nOriginal one (Law Veil from 1975) was 10weeks", ">\n\n\nAbortions at later stages of pregnancy up until birth are allowed if two physicians certify that the abortion will be done to prevent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; a risk to the life of the pregnant woman; or that the child will suffer from a particularly severe illness recognized as incurable.\n\nWorth noting, as eg the UK is 0 weeks on the books, but if two physicians sign off, 24wks. In practice this is so routine that the NHS doesn't even mention it on their overviews, I'm not sure how that differs w/ France." ]

[ "This should be done at the EU level!\nEveryone needs to have full rights on its own body!", ">\n\nGood luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections.", ">\n\nUnfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month.", ">\n\nThere is no alternative to vote for.", ">\n\nThe lesser evil", ">\n\nThere is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party is called and get your country wrecked.\nHolownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now.", ">\n\nThat's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads.", ">\n\nIf only the us was so advanced.", ">\n\nYou guys need more strikes", ">\n\nMy state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.\nEdit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here.", ">\n\n..how does that even work ?\n\"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !\"\n\"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges\"", ">\n\nI’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability.", ">\n\nYeah, but what did France actually pass?", ">\n\nNothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says \"to add to the Constitution\" which would make it a \"stronger\" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.\nRight now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily.", ">\n\nI’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote", ">\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nSuppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?\nJust reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?\nAs of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like \"Congress shall make no law\" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?\n\nI guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change?", ">\n\n\nCould someone familiar with France provide context here?\n\nThe context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.", ">\n\nYes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics. \n\nIt's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. \n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.", ">\n\n\nVery likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.\n\nMarine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called \"convenience abortions\" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.\nEven Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right.", ">\n\nIn the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either.", ">\n\nCan we get that in the U.S., too?\nEdit: Who got offended by this question?", ">\n\nOnly if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen.", ">\n\nIn fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen!", ">\n\nI wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything", ">\n\nJust like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs.", ">\n\ni don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless.", ">\n\nI think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.\nMost people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think.", ">\n\nThe French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff.", ">\n\nIf only the rest of the world would join the 21st century.", ">\n\nDenying life?\nWhat are you talking about?\nA life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?\nWill these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?\nIf the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?\nThese pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain.", ">\n\nWrong.\nAsk any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!\nWe will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.\nYou’d have to actually talk to us to know that though.", ">\n\nThat's bullshit!\nPlease finish with these jokes!\nWe know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.", ">\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\nI’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!\nI’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. \nI’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).", ">\n\n\nAnd you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???\n\nI'm basing it on the common sense and how geneally the society doesn't care much about its less fortunate members.\nPlus the economy is i shambles with inflation raising to the roof.", ">\n\nIt’s not common sense if it’s not true my friend. \nI’d suggest talking with some pro-life people, you may be surprised at what we would be willing to do if it meant less abortion. \nWe aren’t bad people trying to hold women down and force them to live the handmaidens tale. That’s all panic porn BS, I promise you.", ">\n\nIsn’t it already legal up to 6 weeks?", ">\n\nUpdated law: 14weeks of pregnancy, 16weeks after last periods. \nOriginal one (Law Veil from 1975) was 10weeks", ">\n\n\nAbortions at later stages of pregnancy up until birth are allowed if two physicians certify that the abortion will be done to prevent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; a risk to the life of the pregnant woman; or that the child will suffer from a particularly severe illness recognized as incurable.\n\nWorth noting, as eg the UK is 0 weeks on the books, but if two physicians sign off, 24wks. In practice this is so routine that the NHS doesn't even mention it on their overviews, I'm not sure how that differs w/ France.", ">\n\nIf the mother's life is at stake or if the foetus presents severe illness there's no limit. Up until de delivery term abortion can be done" ]