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Welcome to not another Runner podcast a running and health-related podcast created by a run-of-the-mill. Yes pun intended every day Runner join me for all things running health and well-being related for the highs and lows of Life Training and chasing girls. This podcast is designed.Keep you motivated and enthusiastic on your journey to health and happiness. Every time I run I discover something new about me and about life be a reason why I run or a discovery of myself. I genuinely find gratitude through Runnin. I am able to stay healthy and fit through the execution of my passion, but furthermore I'm able to achieve peace presents growth and Discovery and I love to hear all your stories on how running has changed your lives and what it's brought to you. I want to connect like-minded people through the power of podcast.I want to tell you all about run one and the elevated energy pack of supplements, which is what I'm currently trialling and loving at the moment. 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You said and I am just so glad that our paths crossed over on Instagram and that we've become really good friends through that. This chat was so much fun. I'd be looking forward to getting to hear more about Lizzie and her life and all about a running story for such a such a long while in my opinion Lizzie Was Born to Run Lizzie started running in 2017. Just seven months into her running journey and haven't gone through an incredibly tough time with her family Lizzy went on to run a first half marathon. Turn in just one hour 35 literally seven months of running and she runs a 135 despite. No time go as well. Furthermore. Lizzie would go on to fall pregnant with her fourth child and run during her pregnancy and bounce back after that pregnancy really quickly. Lizzie would go on to run a half marathon shortly after giving birth and Incredibly decided to train for her first marathon while still having a newborn baby at home her fourth child. Toby was literally a several months old and she would go on to train for this half marathon for six months and she came second second in the marathon at the great Welsh Marathon internationally her debut marathon. It's just a crazy story and she completed the marathon in a crazy three 1204 me and Lizzie chatted so much running that I've put together a part 1 and 2 to this episode. So stay tuned for both because the story is is just incredibly inspiring and Lizzy's enthusiasm just beams loudly through a voice and it was just such a joy to catch up with her. Hello and welcome to not another Runner podcast and 2 episode 11. Today's guest is Lizzy Diamond a mother of four a Drama teacher Club member of see sweaty runners in Newport and I have to say a very very Speedy Runner. So Lizzie started running in 2017. She's going to tell us a lot about here running Journey. Now this today, I can't wait to ask lots and lots of questions, especially how How on Earth she managed to debut in the marathon at nine months postpartum and in three hours 12, it's just incredible. I can't wait to ask so many questions. So welcome Lizzie. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having at this lovely. Oh so excited. I've got loads of questions. I don't know where to start. I'm ready when you are. I'm actually genuinely excited. Thank you, right? Okay, so we'll ask. Little bit about yourself than is he what is it that you do for a living? So I'm primarily a teacher I teach acting and drama and dancing in Newport and in the vale of Glamorgan in cowbridge and I do teach little kiddies on a Wednesday for a monkey music. It's called where I teach them preschool Age music The Very basics of Music basically and how long have you done that for then gosh funky music I've done since my littlest was nine months. So about five years now gone quite a while and I just just so that everyone knows obviously we know you're a member for so you just tell us ages of your for Little Darlings. My bumbino's. Yes so bad and my biggest girl she is 7 Florence is 6 Ralph is 3 and Toby is one. Yeah things literally I think it was two weeks ago wasn't it? Yeah, it was his first birthday was a seventh of July. Yeah blessing. It's just whizzed by the First Years whizzed by they always do though and I was thinking that's the other day. When you posted some are you posted the most beautiful picture it was you running with all literally all four kids the three running next to you and then you are Toby in your arms. I was just like, oh my God, and I just thought would you did you always want to have four children? Did you always want a big family? I did, you know, I did I One of three, I've got two sisters and my husband is also one of three. He's actually a twin and he's got his twin sister and an older brother. So I knew I always wanted three and I thought well, let's let's even it out a bit and it took a bit of convincing. I must say but he caved and we eventually ended up having four. I love it. Yeah. Oh and what what is obviously like having four got Be busy busy. Like what's the biggest challenges you face as being a mum and a mum to for so I think definitely tiredness but I always say when my husband and I are like, oh my goodness me. We are so tired. We just go it's only temporary with regards to the fact that the older they get the easier it gets and it feels Like Only Yesterday Bella was born and now she's nearly eight and I think got it. Wizard by so fast. I'm okay with being tired for a little bit because I want to invest as much time and energy as I have as I can sorry and while they're young because it's in just goes so fast. Obviously keeping the house clean. I must say is a huge challenge that I spy. Honestly. I can't give on top of it. No sooner do I tied to those toys away did they take them back out and just and spread them all around the kitchen and the living room in any area that looks like it might To be clean and tidy then I think my absolute your biggest challenge is balancing balancing life balancing work balancing running and sharing myself amongst my husband the but mostly the children as well because I don't want them to ever feel like oh, you know what we don't see my me which they don't thankfully, but that hopefully I'm doing something right there, but I think yeah, I think those things are what the biggest challenges are that I face. Us on a day-to-day basis. Yeah, it can't it can't be easy. I often like say like I'm looking at others. You've got not even for like 2 or 3 or even 1 because like genuinely I also have my sister and she's got an 18 month old and then she's she's got hairy as well who's for but he's there half the time because having his her partner's little one there and I'm just like I'm exhausted after a few hours and I think oh my God, I look at my mom because my I'm gonna fall and I see I'm like, how on Earth did you do? I think she had all four of us at one point. I think it was all under the age of five and a half six select. Wow. Yeah, it was busy. It was and I just think well, I don't know how she did. I don't know how you do it. I know you know it is it is, you know, I thought I think is is absolute Bedlam, but you get used to it, you know and your life just becomes this continuous like state of Chaos in in a good way though. It's just busy and it's Manic and you just kind of just you just get used to it. It becomes the norm. Whereas people who like their Norm is kind of quiet peaceful State of Mind who then come in and visit and they're like, whoa, what is actually going on here? And then yeah, so I think that's what your men probably had just this. That was her normal. Yeah. Yeah. I like you said like you said about not mind and being tired temporarily because I mean it's not Going to be like that forever. Like you said it goes so quickly they're going to grow up so is like and the thing is if you're like you were marathon training you except that you're tired all the time. Anyway, tired re all the time like all the time all day just assist just a constant state of fatigue. So how was it that you got into when I mean I said a little bit like quickly that was in the intro that you genuinely started running in 2017, which I just find Like absolutely insane, especially the Speedy times and like the I mean the year you've had bad considering Toby is one like I've seen you win. I don't know how many races recently like local ones for your Club. You've like obviously SLI you were born to run almost. I think I think you found it later advice, but you were obviously Born to Run. Nah, that's really kind. I just I don't I really I just don't know. I don't I don't know really what's happening at them. It's and I feel incredibly lucky. I just go out there and I go to the races and I do what I can and I just think gosh, I was just I was just lucky every time I do I think I'm just it's just luck. I really do I got so I got into running initially because we were getting married in the June of 2017 and I thought you know what the easiest cheapest thing to do is just, you know pop some trainers on tie their shoelaces. Up and just do a little choke try and tone up and maybe lose a little bit of weight perhaps but really just get a bit fitter for the wedding and then so that was June starting February. That was June. So then we got married and then after that we kind of the received some sad news about my brother-in-law. So he was diagnosed with bowel cancer shortly after we got married and it was just a spiral and Will wind and a huge roller coaster of emotions for the next three months until September and then September he really sadly passed away and for me it's a kind of changed my perspective. No, obviously, I love to running and I'd signed up for cars if Hearth and I did it to raise money for the villandry cancer center where Paul his name was was cared for the majority of his time in Cardiff. Who are Amazing and yeah, it was so emotional doing that run. It really was I even get emotional just even talking about it now because there's when you get to my all ten of the I don't know whoever's done card of half marathon, they'll know they'll know Mile 10 because it's Ruth Park and it's a beautiful part of the run and you know, even you got three three-point-something miles to go and I hadn't seen my sister or my mom or my you know, my family who are waiting for me until then. So I ran and I ran and then I saw them and they were just all crying - so Natalie it is so hard to run when you're crying or you've got this. Yeah, lump in your throat. And it's so what I mean, you can barely breathe. Anyway, when you're running hard, I don't know anything less than running hard, unfortunately. But yeah, so I saw them and I just went for it and I just I just thought this is why I'm doing it this way. I'm doing it. Because it's just I don't know it it was a catalyst I think and it completely catapulted me into this this world of running and it gave me a reason it gave me reason to bear that weight and release it by running and just you know, when you're running and you're just looking around you and just taking it all in you think yeah. This is why I do it, you know the support out. There is one in a million in Cardiff has the best support in any half marathon I've done and then it just Just kind of went from there. I joined his weary running club in Newport. I finished that car too far from 135 and I wasn't with you doing it for a time. But then people around me while I go that's that's quite a good tunnel. So well if it is it and then kind of went from there it kind of went from there. And then that's that's where the running Journey began. Yeah, and because I got obviously we chatted earlier and you told me about your brother-in-law and I was so sad to hear of that. Obviously, you know really really difficult times. It could have gone one of two ways for some people especially, you know, trying to complete a race like that, especially in the memory of someone so close to you think it's not an easy. I mean, it's not an easy thing anyway training because that would have been your first half marathon wasn't it? Yeah. It's not easy to train and run like any half marathon, especially like your first but when doing a to those circumstances Like yeah, it can't I wouldn't I can just I can't really imagine it would have been very very difficult especially seeing your family because with a spectating you then with a the Cardiff Hearth, obviously because it's my hometown they do have a lot of people and we have a lot of people who run it and it's actually it's lovely you feel like even though it's so huge. The card of Hearth on is you do feel like it's one little Marathon because of the amount of people everyone says it's a small world don't know because there is so many people, you know, especially in there. World actually, yeah, but yeah, so there were spectating loads of people but because obviously it was my immediate family. They were tracking me and they were they were wondering when I was going to come and then when I did see them it was just yeah it you didn't obviously you thought now it's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. Hmm But yeah, and then it was yeah, it was really sad, but it was also really lovely at the same time the support just it does it just encourages you to just strive for Forward doesn't it? Yeah, and for you, it's been a positive thing. Like you said, it's been I mean we when we chatted earlier you said you'll run in especially at that time would have gone as to what was going on in your personal life with you sister and you know, your brother-in-law it was your way of coping well coping with what like giving you isn't it giving, you know, your time running was your time to what was the word we used earlier what it was it was a bit like releasing the tension you said wasn't it? Yeah. It was yeah. It was a coping mechanism. Said yeah, it was an absolute stress reliever. Yeah, because my sister is solid as a rock. She's one of the strongest people I know but dealing with something like that. You know, I can't imagine how hard it must have been for her. But as my sister my absolute best friend both my sisters and my best friend's a dealing with that was was all for you know, she was my sister, you know, and it is really hard and it was I felt like I was bearing the grief with her. Hmm, you know, yeah, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No it is and I'm glad that like for you it was it was a positive and has been a positive thing and that you've been able to continue running since then. I mean some people might not have been able to continue after that. But the yeah, you've take you that it's given you a positive that's good. I like that and you doing the card of half this year. I am you are out. I didn't get a place in time. I like I loved him because I lived there for a few years while I was in uni, and a lot of my friends live there. So yeah running Carter has really special. I love you. Never know. They're not they might have them. Some last-minute, you know people who drop out for injury or something. It's gonna look out. Well, the only thing is I last year when I did it I did a half marathon locally for my club and it's literally the week before and I did both of them laughter PB at the one locally and it's a very very hilly one and then two. Yeah, I was quite shocked actually and then the week after did Cardiff and it was like a horse's bit much to it, you know racing on both the cans so I did that. I think you got to like Take it easy on one and go all out on the other. Yeah, and especially a Half Marathon distance like oh, yeah, that's some hard. Well, don't you? Yeah. Well done. It was a search. Yeah, it's good fun. That's why people sometimes people do racing and then they do the other one as the training run don't know perhaps but I mean still mmm-hmm. And that was the idea. I was supposed to do a training run in the local one because it was like cause just people but of course as you start it to do, well it never goes that way and I went really fast on the way out. So hey y'all. I'm just going to take it slow and use this as a training run maybe later tap don't you get caught up in the moment. So how far how far like into your Runner and were you thinking of like right now? I'm going to join a club and like, how did you find them? Oh, yes Liz where we so I saw Because I live local in Newport and this way Runners are obviously Newport Runners. I saw them quite a lot when I was driving and I was quite jealous and also that looks quite fun. And because I was running a lot on my own. I thought it'd be really nice to have some company. And also I think that when you run with someone you kind of encourage each other don't you and yeah and support each other and I think that's what I was missing then because it I didn't want it to become lonely all the time. It's nice. Sometimes you go out on your own to get some head space. Ace but also it's also nice to have some company especially for the easy slow social runs or just easy runs in general. So I went to a kids party and the local pub and I saw one of the club members there and he said to me do you run and I said, yeah, I do a little bit of running any sort of you should join this worry. We do like a quite a few send around because I was like, I don't know whether I can commit to the weekday training because of the children and Okay, and he said I just you know, give it a give it a go and the good thing about this way is that you can just go for a few runs with them and then decide if you want to join up or not. You don't have to join them and then go. Oh gosh, I don't know this just for me. So I just joined a few Sundays runs and it was really lovely and it was it was great. And I thought you know what? It's nice to have some support and I learned while I'm learning. Actually I learned so much just from one run. It was like having a little science lesson because really I really I am a novice so I'm learning as I go learning on the job as they might say so that's how I kind of got into his weary. Yeah and I say that as well though, you do learn so much because the only food start running and those first couple years. There's so much to learn like it's not just putting it on putting your trainers on and going out for a like a little jog. It's the like, you know, this the slow runs the The infield back its the role in stretching strength train, then the judge went to increase one not two went went pull back. Let's loads like that you just especially if you hadn't run before it's like there's lots to learn isn't it? Yeah, and then you think you know a lot and then you're like, what's that the other day? I saw someone Instagram called plyometric training and I thought on a minute what I got me some of that so I'm yeah, it's kind of Stuffy. Isn't it? Yeah and yet always learning always there but you have you always been interested in sports like an active life success school on a few of your stories your go-to bodypump quite regularly, don't you and you do strength. Yeah. That is that is my strength training. Yeah. I feel like I don't really have the motivation to do strength training at home. And I know a lot of people do but I go out and I spend so much time running the one I come home. I'm like I need to be at home and I need to be men or wife both. Yeah, perfect M. So when I go out to my local gym, I just do a little bit. It's really good. Actually, I do really enjoy it. I do the strength training which gives me that the squats and the lunging and and the shoulders and the back work and the core work. So I do enjoy it quite a lot. Yeah, it's good and it's good to be part of a class again giving you that little social everyone else eggs you on a bit, doesn't it? Yeah, you do in those classes before you started to run in. No, not at all. No, I wasn't no I was going to the gym, but I was only doing treadmill mostly I didn't really do any classes. I did a spin class to the day and I can't tell you how hard it was. Actually, it's not ill magic. Wow. That is quite it's no joke. Did you go to Spain? I didn't realize how much I could sweat. Yeah, I haven't done it for a while and I keep meaning to go back. There's a 30-minute Express at the local gym. That's a really good one because it's really like it's like a hit workout. Yeah, it's been an unlikely. She gets you to put the resistance right up and literally you're like try and move the pedal and you just can't so she's actually look you're getting a strength training exercise from this as well. She's at that is what I want you to have strength training cardio hit intervals all in one in half an hour. So you go you little Wow, get off the bike and you leave and you're like, I don't think I can walk to the car park. You've got jelly legs. Haven't you know, I know I know I know they're like you need to move to the beat. I'm like babe. I'm really behind this be either. The resistance is too high, which is probably not my legs just can't cope with it. Yeah. So yeah, it's not to be taken lightly. You've good cross training though, really good cross training so good. Yeah. I should really incorporate it a bit more. But again, it's just down to Time elements is not having much of it. Yes prioritizing as you go along like what's important this week was important next week and you know adapting it to your training really, isn't it? Yeah, all our Saul Logistics and maths. Yeah. It is planning in advance as well. I think that helps. Yeah, definitely. So when you first started running in 2017, we you fast initially like did you like we're recording it on a watch on a nap because you're hot you are really fast. So I want to know will you? Blast from day one So I don't I don't think so, you know and because as you say you're a novice like I was a novice I just went out and I was like gosh I just did four miles. I'm feeling like a hero here. I went on to map my run remember that app. I mean is there are probably still going I meant that yeah, so map my run was like my main go-to When I use the app in my little arm band. Trap. Yeah, I am and no no and because I didn't know about any of this like threshold training and obviously on your but intervals. That's the one I did know about but I didn't really put any pressure on myself. I find that I do now, but I didn't put the pressure on I was just like I'm just going to go Jog and feel good about it and burn some calories and then go home and eat some cake and and that's going to be it and every time I find it hard, I'm going to picture that wedding dress and fitting into it. That was my thing. When I found it difficult, I was like picture walking down the aisle picture that dress picture how you want to look in it and keep on going. So no, I think the answer is no I think I don't know because that I did well I did the Cardiff half and then I did that in 135. So I when I went out that's I'm not being like Feb you start running in February. Like let me work this out March April May June July August September, so that's about seven months. It's because cough is always the first weekend of October. So that's seven in seven months. You're doing a 135 half my life and that is fast. Let's get perspective. I started and I started in March 2017. So yeah same here as you did 17 and then I did my first in well, hey, I would have done it the same year as you take Tony. I did by would have been a lot behind you because I know yeah to our Is too and I was a little bit better because I was aiming for sub 2 so yes, amazing know you were you would have been fast from day one - I just don't know. You know, I just again I'd maybe I've got everyone used to call me Lizzie long legs, but I was younger growing up and maybe maybe that's it. You know because I don't put it this way now right when I run it is not easy. So I don't even know if I'm a natural because I think that these people People who are running these incredible Times They just they look like they've just had a little soreness around the park. Whereas I've got to go in. You know, I got I'm licking the grass. I've got to go and take some time around the back of a building and now my head between my legs thinking what just happened like breathing and like I'm having an asthma attack almost. So honestly, it takes some grafting it takes some grafting so it maybe maybe I was but I feel like Now these days at this point in time. I'm training quite hard and I'm trying for these times and and I feel like I'm like brilliant like it is paying off a bit, but I feel like the moment I get a bit laksa Daisy with my training it. Well, I'll start plateau in big time. Yeah, because I just I don't know whether I'm in these people who can just naturally be fast. I think that if I were a bit lazy with my training guides, I just fall back a bit. You know what I mean? I don't know I think You've definitely think you've got it there. You've got to talk. Like if you didn't if you would if you weren't following a like a proper plan a book at the beginning and within some once you've done one has 85, you've got it and like obviously like consistency is just only going to pay and continue to pay because that's the I think that's the beauty and that's what I love about running is that it doesn't matter while you age it is actually a sport that you can improve with age because Endurance Sports, Don't know. I think they just say that you can improve over a jump over. You know, it's all about consistency miles in the bag select years from now can you can build and build up endurance so long as you stay healthy and you know relatively well and touch wood. Hopefully not injuries along the way it is something that you can work on and Chip Away chip away. So it's slow to it. It'll slow twitch muscles and Majora's capacity. Yeah. Well, you know what? Maybe it's me. It's a case of like watch this space where I'm just going to keep chipping away. The only the only problem I have is that I just can't fit in as many miles as I'd like to and that's okay at the moment because I'm working on speed but obviously I'm training for my next marathon which I'm sure will come to so then the long runs will have to come back in. So yeah watch this space but I feel very I feel very lucky and privileged if this is I think that comes naturally to me, you know, yeah and we'll get will definitely come to talk about the next marathon because I know what it is and I'm looking forward to talking about that and I actually want to feel like I'll ask you quickly. What's your schedule like at the moment so that because you did just say that you all like brain and really really hard so because you've said that I am very intrigued to know what is your weekly training schedule like now so I try and have actually get to Arrestees usually because I don't very much enjoy them and my legs really need them. But on a weekly basis, I'd tend to try and incorporate my long slow run which usually lands on a send a very early morning so I can fit in everything else and all the commitments. I will do a tempo run. If I don't have a race I will do some either intervals or like threshold training, but if I do have Right. I'll probably drop one of those so I don't get injured and then I'll do an easy read just I could just a nice run where you just go out and you genuinely just enjoy the love of running and yeah and take the pressure off a bit. So I'd probably training five times a week. Maybe I'm trying to anyway as much as possible. I'm not really I'm not really reaching 30 miles a week regularly yet. But when come up the next few weeks now I probably We will because it's getting closer to the next month. And yeah, but I've got Mega tank a on Saturday. So that'll be a race for me and I might do a race on Wednesday. Perhaps the 5K in Cardiff, which is called saffir 5km. So that'll be a tough one because even though it's 5K that is bass hard going. I find I'm terrible at pacing myself on on five k's and I definitely detonate every time I do it. But yeah, that's It usually looks like on a weekly basis and it's tough. But at the moment, I feel like it's necessary for my Big Goal, you know my end goal which you will find out soon. Hmm. Very intrigued. We where did you get your plan from you if you've got a coach at the moment like no, I don't like. Okay cool. I do I do it myself. Yeah, so I do take advice from the club and any members at the club members who are experienced. Obviously, you've got tons of people who have done a billion marathons and half marathons and 10ks and people who was speedy and and water boards and stuff like that. So I do tend to be like, what do you think I should do next? And yeah, they'll say you need to work on this. This is you know, you've got a base platform from your your marathon training you've got that endurance now you need to build up speed and then you can marry up the both. So that is exactly what I want to do. So and then I did a little bit of research. Then I thought right. Okay, that's what I need to do. I watch some YouTube videos from a guy called Jack Daniels. Yes, really? Good. Yes, he is - oh, yes, he is just incredible and it's such short videos. I get to just watch them which is brilliant without being disturbed just for like literally five ten minutes, whatever it is and I do learn, you know all about the threshold training all about the vo2max and heart rate training and stuff like that. And then I think right. Okay, so I set my own goals I take advice from the club. The club are like amazing and then obviously I try and represent them and support them back doing the races and stuff like that. And because it's helping me with my training goals to you know, have you seen the Jack Daniels V Dot calculator? Yes, I have that's quite interesting. Isn't it every time and see what your potential is. So if anyone doesn't know the Jack Daniels V Dot calculator, I'm sure if see again I've learned about In a another run-in podcast somewhere you can enter in the distance or like event Race distance and then enter the time you achieve that that distance and then it basically calculates. It doesn't just convert the time as to how long it would take you in like a longer or shorter event. It will actually like convert it like in a way that for example you put in your 5K race say for example, you get 20 minutes for a 5k, it'll Basically convert it. So it will give you a realistic time that you could achieve in a half marginal Marathon or whatever but not just by typing of doing the pace like for example, if you did an eight-minute mile Pace, it wouldn't just tell you the time for an eight-minute mile Pace. It would like literally calculate it accordingly because obviously as the distance gets longer your pace is naturally going to be a little bit slower for that endurance is really really really clever. Australian hard to explain actually, but yeah, it is really clever. It is isn't it because there's all that in good setting these goals, right? But when you actually think or you know, I want it. I want sub 1:25 in a half marathon and then you look at what actually that would be you think. Oh my goodness gracious me. Yeah. Can I maintain that low can I actually do that? So it's really good to set yourself realistic goals. As you said. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Cool. Yeah, I was just intrigued to know what your weekly plan was. I know we got off a little bit of a tangent there. But yeah, perhaps we do we do and we will we will invest and now would you run whilst you were pregnant with Toby your last baby and I'm sure I read on Instagram that you run literally up until 38 weeks. So like how did you manage this? Because obviously, you know, you were still you know a very new. Run out because I'm think let me think and I was a 38 weeks you would have been run it. So that would have been literally mid-june end of June or 2018. So you would have only been running for literally 14 months or something in total. Yeah, and it was new for me actually to run while pregnant because obviously even though I've have three children previous to Toby I didn't run so I just, you know just carried on the pregnancy is normal and but but with Toby because I was into running I was like, do you know what I'm going to continue it and and see how I get on it was almost like an experiment obviously a safe experiment. Yes. I checked with you my health visitor and doctors and when I had my scans, I was like it you know is this okay. Are you sure and the general consensus? I found was that if you've been running before you're pregnant so your body is used to it then you're okay. Yeah, your body is so clever. It will tell you if it's not enjoying it. I'll tell you. Got a minute. This is too much and I use the term very Loosely towards the end of the pregnancy when I said that I ran like it was a shuffle. Yes, it definitely like shuffling down the road because I consider myself quite a bouncy Runner, but I could not dance with you know, this my little Beefcake inside of my tell me. He was such a big baby why like felt like a big baby? So it was more of a shuffle but I had this bump strap that I wore probably between like six and no I'm going to say for four to seven months in like the mid months of being pregnant because actually it didn't fit me in the last months. And actually it was too tight and it was too uncomfortable the strap was and I thought gosh am I cutting off the circulation so I didn't wear it then and I don't need a shuffle anyway, so yeah, and it was fine and I did. This is my body and I stayed local so I stayed around my parkour I'd stay just in case anything did happen that was untoward. And then actually I knew it's time to stop because on the last time I ran I did end up walking because I got really strong Braxton Hicks which are like false contractions. Basically. I knew I was you know, I always had them with the babies and you know, Toby was overdue all of them were overdue, so I didn't think oh my goodness. I'm going to go into labor, but I did go. Yeah, this is my body saying just go home and relax Lizzie. And when I went home the Braxton Hicks would continue after I stopped exercising and for me that was the signal to say it is time to stop for me personally, and that was at 30 weeks and that was fine because I just got to just chill out then as you do what as much as you can with the other children around before baby was born. Mmm. So, yeah, so it was if I Enjoyed it. And actually I find that I recovered much quicker from having to be like fitness-wise that I did with any of my others. So I do feel like staying active while pregnant is definitely a positive and when yeah, I remember you saying that and did you who did you get advice from like obviously you seen your GP and then I'm assuming the Midwife was it like who specifically and you know, when you are asked about the running like what was their reaction? What do they tell you? What did they advise you to do? Or not to do so when I saw it was the Midwife first and I spoke to her and she asked me if I did exercise. That's how yeah, I do quite a bit of running and then I just got onto the subject of is it okay to still burn and then she said absolutely and she told me that she's had other mums who are pregnant running and that obviously maybe feel much more ease that this wasn't, you know, alien and it is okay and then I just pretty much asked every time as it Hello kay at my still. Okay, you're not. You know, I'm not doing anything silly and I'm listening to my body and taking it pretty easy. And and then I asked the stenographer when I had the scan and they said yeah, of course, it's fine and I think yeah and for me I thought yeah. Well it must be okay, then, you know that they're dealing with pregnant women on a daily basis and ones that run to so it's okay. It was actually more the people around me my family and friends who were like it. It's okay. Are you sure? Yeah, and it was actually them that pose the question a bit more than the health professionals. Yeah, and you will find yeah that people are a bit like oh, what are you crazy? Hmm? Yeah, I can imagine because I've seen reactions of that or like, you know witnessed it and like I always think you know when it comes to time where you know, I decide to have children I died, you know so long as I'm healthy and happy and I get to go ahead I would want to still continue running because well, I think I think in a way like obviously The health professionals that yeah, it was fine. I think sometimes if your if your body so used to exercise you do it regularly in a way. You're you're almost not my fiance more in danger. But like your body needs it like you can't just just stop just like that. You know, I mean like crazy. Yeah your body so used as your mind and you probably needed those feel-good endorphins, you know, the stress release tension release in order to be happy and healthy for your baby. Yeah. It was lovely. Lee we loved it, I loved being a pregnant Runner and and showing off burnt and be like whoohoo, but it was it was people who they take a second glance at you and be like that was she pregnant you see people's faces. Yeah, and they're a bit like, oh, it's a safe. Yeah, but yeah, but I mean what proof is in the pudding really because I've I've had Toby and I'm running at the moment on my journey. This is it's the best I've run at this time and and he's healthy and he's happy and he was Healthy hard water birth was Toby and yes, it's been lovely so far. So proof, really that it can be. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I like that and you know, you won't, you know, you went long after having Toby that you were back out there put your trainers on and go and again because I think you would have six weeks. Obviously we mentioned this earlier was it was six weeks postpartum when you did the Cardiff was 77 bridge last right? Of course you are because Carlos are sober. And yes in six so six weeks postpartum, you know haven't had Toby and you're back out and you're doing the Seven Bridge half marathon with your sister wasn't it? And that one? Yeah. My husband used to fund your husband. Yeah little Cameo that one memory. It was nice. Although he will agree with this. I never actually run with him. So I saw much started as like, yeah. I'm going to see where the finish it not in not in. A nasty way, but we just don't tend to run together. I think we do each other's heads in a little bit. So we're just kind of parted ways and he was having some chafing going on. So it was having some problems and I think he was just getting in the zone and I think I might be in annoy him a little bit. So I that's kinda we just parted ways but we saw each other at the end and that was that was really lovely went under a tree in the pouring rain to kind of try and you know shelter. Yeah and Enjoy that. Yeah, it was it was this all good fun, isn't it? It is and how did that one feel that race there? And like I'll see you took it slower. I would a cannoli. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it would have done in Cardiff. I think that yeah. Oh gosh. Yeah. So because I went I was started running again after Toby. It was literally like 14 days and it was 14 days. There's me thinking like you just kind of went like well, I don't know. I don't know what I was thinking. I couldn't really because initially like when I read other okay, six weeks postpartum doing a half miles and I thought you were like, I don't know what I thought I didn't really think your new leaks after having to be in your running again. Oh, I know I did. It was a nice Pace. It was literally like like I checked it on mice traffic as I was like, I better check those to check em, right. It's like an 857 pace and and it's like my space that's like for me that's study. That was that is not like that. That's that was a stead. It was steady and I just went on my park again. Kept it local kept it safe and I did like five for five miles and then kept it for five miles up until I think I don't know that I might have done a 10-miler but I can't remember if I did and then I did the half marathon for the selling bridge. I think that was one hour 42 Again check that but I had towards the end of that. I was getting a bit wet soggy and we the bridge you go back over the bridge at the end of The Seven Bridge half marathon and the bridge seemed to go on for ever and I thought I listen. I'm going to pick up this pace. He I've got to get to the end but I felt okay. I've actually completely digress. The question if felt okay, it did legs were a bit sore pelvic floor like pretty terrible. But yeah, it felt it felt good to be back out there and it's muscle memory, isn't it? They would just kind of like, oh guys, you know, we're back in the game. Now. She says we got to start running again. Let's carry on going so and so yeah, it felt good and morale was good on that day. The rain didn't dampen our Spirits at all because there was like a little Professor running and it was really lovely yet. And it's pretty nice event. It is a nice event 7 Bridge half you don't get masses of people tuning up and it's nice to start on the bridge. It's a lovely View and it's just good supporting. Yeah, it's nice apart from that Hill. I mean that Hills not nice. Yeah. I caught a can imagine. I think I know some of doing it this year actually. Yes it August isn't it? So, yeah, it's a hot month, isn't it for a half marathon - if we have if we continue to have the weather we've had Had Fairly high wave. Yeah, I'm sure because I got to make that hard time getting this right now because I've got a friend doing Patel got a friend doing Seven Bridges. But remember which one is which anyway is yeah for you even that six weeks after like I kind of two weeks after haven't told her you were like able to run for 5 miles. I can't like I can't imagine being able to do that. So I hope like not that you know, everyone's different thing as you had had three children before and obviously stayed active during the pregnancy with Toby which like you A tribute, you know that that helped and supported you in your come back with your Fitness after having to be so, you know, perhaps like you said the proof is in the pudding and maybe you know that really did have yeah, I think I think it did I think just keeping up with it. And so it was May the 21st. I believe with my last run and then I had him July the 7th and then I was back out two weeks after that. So it was really maybe six weeks. Now or forever clearly. My math is terrible that was about you from your last run to your first one after having them. Yeah, so it's not too. Yeah, it's I mean, obviously I lost a lot of Fitness in general over the pregnancy. But but yeah, definitely, you know, it could have felt worse and I do consider myself really lucky to be able to just almost bounce back. They would say perhaps yeah, I do feel really lucky because you know, I had quite a smooth pregnancy a smooth birth. And yeah, and for that reason I think that's why maybe the recovery was so quick perhaps, you know, yeah. When did you decide that you wanted to train for the marathon? Oh, well, I I entered the London ballot and code. Yeah, I didn't get in. Obviously. I mean, let's face it. The chances are very slim, but I was pretty desperate to do a marathon and I thought on London would be Able, but I didn't get in I thought okay, that's fine. What I'll do is I'll look for a local one. And so I decided to do so nicely because obviously that is relatively local to me. And what's nice about the Nettie is that it's to core two laps of the same course, which is mentally quite hard. However, and it's along the coast and it is it's a very pretty marathon. It's really beautiful and the support is great and it's just lovely. Chili, so I'm glad I signed up to it. But that was initially what it was the fact that I didn't get into London. It made me go right? What else can we do and I tried I tried that one. Yeah because I have done a couple of the half marathons in clinically. So I've done part of that group that they do. Yeah. So when a down that Millennium yeah Coastal path that's been is like I said, it's got lovely View and you know Scenic and what have you but sometimes on that ripped it can be Really hard because it's right on the coast windy. You can get serious headwinds. Yeah, and I can be really really hard. I mean, it's cool. So positive that it's cool. It's like not in like a bit upsetting here. It can be really hot if it is, you know if the weather is warm, but yeah, it can be hard with the wind. Yeah, no not it was in was it was tough? And actually I got to like mile 17 18 and I was like, this is horrifying that it's a batter your bat. The literally against the elements and so yeah, it was it was a battle against against the winds. The nice thing was and like some of them I've done it wasn't heart. Like you said, it was really cool. So at least it wasn't heat and wind his onesie half for example, it was just it was it was cool. But that headwind was tough to push against especially in the latter Miles when you really had to dig deep. You're like, come on. Give me a break, but you know, what as I say A it doesn't last that pain doesn't last, you know the mouth and will end and you will end with it. So that's what kept me going. Yeah. To you like with regards to that marathon is signing up to that. I'm trying to wake us up my head because you would have had the results of London in October 2018 when Toby would have been Reckless out. Now seven turn Cordia me gosh, three or four months. So you'd you must have entered the ballot while you were still pregnant with Toby. Yeah. Yeah, I did me and my tits none of us ever get it. So so yeah, I mean luckily I you know the marathon time that I have if it's not good for a it if it's not a championship, obviously, they haven't released the times yet for Championship, but it is usually under 315 and because it was 312 it could. A championship pain start but if not perhaps good for age. I'm just desperate for London. So I'm sure it is good for a yeah, I think it is good for Aid. Yeah, because good french Court London is yeah. I think it went down a bit. I will look it up now. Yeah. Yes. Oh, I can't believe that. Well, I did you all enter it there and your family. Yeah. We did. I'm obviously not my mum and dad and but me my sister's my other brother in law and he and Ben we all entered in were like, yeah, let's do it and not one of us got in. So it takes a while. I think I know someone who's entered at times. I know so I thought right. Well if I'm not going to get in the ballet, I'm just gonna have to work hard to do it in a good. Yeah, you are right. I thought it was I thought they'd brought it down a bit no good for age for women between 18 and 39 is 345 as you said, you've literally like you've got no worries with that one. So if you You just just wait and now technically on the championship level that isn't it see if you can get an answer to that because that would be really exciting. Actually. It's literally like that was so that that is my goal. Like that is my my dream not only to do with London Marathon. Yeah to do it in the year 2020 because it just sounds good doesn't it but you can t turns it but to start in the championship pay my mean like that. Is it for me that is what dreams are made of I'd like that just That would just be the icing on the cake for me. I'm just going to soak it all up and just enjoy it and know that I you know, I've worked to get there and I've earned it and I really want serve three. So I mean what happens on the day will happen, you know, but at least I know that I've worked I've grafted to even get there to begin and I'm yeah, well hopefully fingers crossed. Let's wait and see. Yeah because it was Dean or 2019 so let's wait and see. Yes exactly. So they bring it down to three or ten. That's that's you know, maybe good for age instead. Yeah, but I'm you've well the odds are looking good. I can't anyway one thing is if you get if even if he does good for a jet still at you know, great are still incredible. Like I'm still they're still at the money, but you might as well book your hotel because you've definitely got good for it. You should while It's cheaper. I know but you don't know that you still just don't know. It's one of those things isn't it? You think or you know all the Masters that could be good for age and they make just like cut, you know cut loads of people and say hello. So so I'll wait. I'm just going to wait eagerly anticipating its yeah. Yeah. I just and I can't I can't get over that you you literally debut to Martha and 312 of the more. It's just in saying I want to know like when you're trained for that first marathon, how on Earth Did you manage because you you run so Lizzie run the great Welsh marathon and lastly it would have been April and I'm pretty sure it's two weeks. It was a week. Was it a week before London? No, Tilly's before London's always the last weekend in April this year. It's like weeks two weeks before. Okay, right. So I'm Toby would have been like as we said nine months. So your trainer in lips. Really started it I'm assuming you started training in the October in the Autumn or was it a bit after that? No, it was I did my yeah, and it was definitely and I did my first 20 mile are in December and then it kind of went from there really so I was obviously training during the week and I did overall up into the marathon. I did seven twenty mile long runs. I didn't I didn't do any longer than 20 I also did which I highly recommend Anyone training for a marathon I did a race which was 20 miles exactly. So that was called Saint Dominique. Oh, which is running clip. Yeah, a lot of people do Gloucester 20 as well, which is really popular. But I did the the sand on which was really good actually because that was let me look at the date for that. That was March the 24th and my Marathon was April the 12th. So that was a good three weeks before my Marathon. So it was good to actually go right where Where am I training? Like how well can I run 20 miles out what we call Race pace. So yeah, so I learned a lot from that I learn a lot from that because I started off standard. I started off too fast. And then the latter half was a bit slower and I did think or I've not got much left in me, but I did it in 2 hours 27 the 20 miles and I was really pleased with that. I saw some yeah, like I was Replaced and it was really good for me just to kind of gauge where I was after training since December, you know before the marathon, you know, you do you think it's all a lot well and good running these long runs slow. But how are you going to handle it when you've actually got to do it at what you consider race Pace almost in it for me. Anyway personally because I want to do it at a race pace. So yeah, it was good to see where I was. I'm doing that for your first marathon, I mean How do you what time did you have in your head? What were you aiming for I wanted to do and so I did an A B and C. So my CI start see was three hours 30. Yeah, my be was then three hours 25 or like three hours 23 or something like that and then them in my head. I didn't want to tell anybody this but my a was like 3 hours 15 it was in my head, but obviously I told everybody I'd really like to do SUB 3:30 because then they you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't feel like I've let myself down because I wouldn't have told me but but but yeah in my head I was thinking if I work hard and if I really, you know, grit my teeth and and do it. I think I might be able to do 315 my might so when I did 312 I couldn't believe like I literally couldn't believe it that chromatic literally again just goes to show that I think. If you did, I don't think you might be starting to realize it now, but you obviously didn't realize what you had in your ability because if you're if you're seagulls 3:30 and even your a girl's 3:15, and then you get three twelve, that's just I mean in your first ever ever Marathon, that's absolutely amazing. It's yes, it's very very just well I didn't I'm speechless. I think it's amazing. I couldn't believe it. You know what? I really couldn't believe it and I'm not just saying that I rang my husband and the moment I got out of the the little pain at the end that you know you but you go down that the pain and you know, how did you do? You know, we've been working up to this day for a long time my first marathon, how did you do? How did you get on I said yeah, I came second. And the first thing he said was it if I know you came second I would have come mentioned that yet record. Year because you came second. Yeah, honestly, I couldn't I could not believe it and I told nobody to care miles like guys, it's freezing. I don't want the kid standing there miserable for three hours because they're you know, they're cold and you know, they only see me for a couple of times running back and forth and that, you know, I just thought no, please stay at home and enjoy and I'll just let you know when I'm done and I'll see you when I get home. And I you know, it was incredible it with the feeling was. Credible it. Honestly, it is a massive part of you know, my running Journey for me and I will never ever forget it. It's made a huge impact on me and and the people around me as well and what especially my children like I couldn't wait to show them the trophy I get was so lovely and even the medal silver medal. Usually you crossed the line and you get the standard model that you get for doing a half. She got, you know, the actual silver second. One and the thing is that for you like literally you you were two years into you're running two years and getting seconds lady and like when you think and this is no disrespect but they would have been you know, because of your age like with the open, you know, it's quite hard isn't it? Because you would have been kept against couple of ladies who would have been, you know a little bit younger than you really hard. Definitely. Definitely the the Who came first was amazing and she was even part of a running club. She just ran for herself, which so absolute utmost respect. She was a good I think she was like nine minutes in front of me. So I just think oh my goodness gracious like hats off to you. She was young she would I mean that that's when place that I will never like I will always be beaten. Sorry is you know aged, I can't be aged not that just because she was young. She was good like she was an incredible run. Now so yeah, that was just an example of one of the amazing people running it on that day. It was the last three miles that I just I just went for it. It was I just kind of broke way you tease. Yeah, you you just said you couldn't that's one thing. You can't beat his age, but you did because if you came second there's a lot of people who came after you you did ba. You're right. You're right. Yeah, you know what? I just I think it's because you know, I don't know I think you tend to feel old even though I'm 33, and I'm not even you know, I'm not considered old but people a lot of people do make comments and they're like, oh, oh so you started running now like like at this age kind of thing. So you kind of get the impression that that your you aren't you are. Our old are you know the Young Generation these the the Juniors that are doing, you know, the junior parkrun who are absolutely astounding by the way. I mean, they're incredible and they're so young. They are so young. So yeah, I get it I get it. So I'm that that is something that I felt like I just couldn't compete with but I guess it's not all about physical strength sometimes now, I do think a lot a lot of running as about mental strength. Don't even you know, I don't even know who I was passing on the last bit of that Marathon. I just I just hit my head. I was just using every bit of mental strength. I had it was like it was almost as if I was just picturing that finish line and everything around me was almost a blur. I wasn't even looking at all the ladies or anything like that. I was passing. I didn't even think I'd ever dream of being second lady. I didn't think I could so I was just running for my life and and just going for it. And it was yeah, it was amazing. How amazing is Lizzie Story So Far like, oh, I like every time I listen to it and think about it. It's still even now I've just I just find it incredible. So that's part one stay tuned in few days for part 2. 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And Toby being so young the compromise and balance required with a busy Family Life how she fit the training around work again the essentials to the marathon training why she wouldn't compare yourself to others about getting her first injury prior to the great Welsh marathon and how she overcame this how she kept yourself motivated what girls mini girl she used. in order to improve and build on a fitness the biggest lesson she learned during that marathon and the price you paid how she was able to bounce back after him hours and debut and which was a Podium finish Lizzie's next big girl and Challenge and why Lizzie started documenting her running story on Instagram who inspires her and her reason and purpose to run part 2 is just as good as the first part so you are going You want to catch this and if you subscribe then it will download automatically as soon as that one has become available. 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Part 1. [Links Available Below] Lizzie Dimond, a Wife, mother of four, a drama teacher, club member of Lliswerry Runners in Newport, and I have to say a very SPEEEDY runner. Lizzie started running in 2017, just 7 months into her running Journey and having gone through an incredibly tough time with her family, Lizzie went on to run her first Half Marathon in an incredible 1:35, despite having no time goal! Lizzie would go on to fall pregnant with her fourth child, and continue to run during her pregnancy and bounced back after the pregnancy really quickly! Lizzie would then go on to run a half marathon shortly after giving birth, and incredibly decided to train for her first marathon whilst only a couple months postpartum. Lizzie ran the Great Welsh Marathon April 2019 and came 2nd Lady, in her DEBUT MARATHON- completing in a crazy time of 3:12:04. Me and Lizzie chatted so much running that I’ve put together a Part 1 & 2…to this Episode. Stay tuned for such an incredibly inspiring story. Lizzie’s enthusiasm just beams loudly through her voice and it was a joy to catch up with her. What to Expect in Part 1: About Lizzie, what she does for a living Biggest Challenges she faces as being a mother, and a mother of four, wife and marathoner  Why and how she was able to accept the incessant fatigue of running, marathon training and being a mumHow she started running How receiving awful news within the family affected her, but also was a catalyst for Lizzie and her running journey and how it changed her perspective in life How I try my best to convince Lizzie she IS Fast  Lizzie’s current weekly training plan  Lizzie running through her fourth pregnancy up to 38 weeks Why she attributes her strong comeback postpartum to training during her pregnancy How she felt returning to running after her pregnancy  How she completed a half marathon just 6 weeks postpartum and completing just 7 minutes slower than her previous PB Lizzie’s Big Dream / Goal for next year How her Marathon training started 3.5 months after having Toby  What Lizzie’s A, B and C Goals were going into the Great Welsh Marathon Links:  Lizzie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/runnerof4/ Lliswerry Runners  https://www.instagram.com/lliswerryrunners/  Run1 ’s Elevated Energy - 10 Day Free Trial https://www.run1.co.uk/pages/vitality-nataliehawkins  Natalie - Not Another Runner Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/notanotherrunner/ Blog: https://notanotherrunner.home.blog/  Easy Thrills Podcast  https://anchor.fm/easythrills Interview with Easy Thrills Podcast https://anchor.fm/easythrills/episodes/Natalie-Hawkins---Not-another-runner-e488pg

In this episode. I'm going to talk about a very versatile strategy called a visual survey. It's basically like a picture talk combined with a survey and it's a way for you to present all kinds of different information from description to narration to information to opinion or argumentation. It's a great strategy that I hope that you will be able to use right away your classroom.The visual survey strategy is a super versatile strategy and I'm really happy to share it with you right now. So the ABC or D strategy or visual survey is also called the zoom tool or the Sheep game because it's really funny to get your classes to bleed out the answer like or or Mystic will named it that at the World Language were husband's you project summer institute's in Atlanta, Georgia in June of 2019. And it was so cute that theI'm just stuck. You can use the A B C or D strategy to review for images related to topics that you've already learned about or to teach new information that's contained in for images or to quickly cover information that students submitted via their card talk or in response to a student interest survey or through individually created characters. You can also add in an element of Mystery by asking students to send in pictures that represent something that they think would Stomp the class you can simply ask them to send in pictures of things. They like that no one knows they like simply to build community and describe general personal preferences and opinions to use this strategy to support content area studies. You can angle The Prompt and have them sent in pictures that relate to a topic for example, the bravest person, you know, or a picture of a fictional character whose appearance communicates something important about them or the contents of your backpack or the backpack of a friend or family member or your favorite place at school. You can use these strategies or this strategy to add whole batches of students en masse to the kid grit, either kids whom you haven't yet discussed or whose rows are looking kind of bare. All you need is a picture that represents something about for students that can be compared and contrasted perhaps information that they provided on their Car Talk cards or on student interest surveys or questionnaires. You can also use this strategy to project pictures of for students characters that they drew for individually created characters. And add information to the character kid grit, so that all students Creations get at least some AirPlay in class, even if they don't get selected to star in a story. You can easily talk about eight students per session for on one slide and for on another and then use the scaffolded oral review time to add the information to the kid Grid or the character K grid there by processing tons of student information in short order and making sure that more students get heard and known to their peers. You might want to make a special notation on the kid Grid or the character kid grid, perhaps writing in a special color or putting a border around the square to denote that the students information was added in the quick and Passed away so that you can prioritize making them the subject of some more in-depth discussion later in the year. So they don't feel like they got short shrift in your class discussions. The setup and execution of the strategy is quite simple. You simply paste for images into a slider document and I've linked a couple of examples in the show notes for this episode. You just paste for images into a slider document that you can project with each image labeled A B C or D you talk about each image as you would for a picture talk perhaps bouncing back and forth from one image to another comparing and contrasting and asking questions. Then you play a game in which you make a statement about one of the images and ask A B C or D and the class calls out the answer. Visual surveys are similar except that the information contained in the survey is designed to elicit students opinions on four options in a category. You can angle the category towards a topic. For example, you can project for images of various school supplies and ask which one is the number one can't live without school supply or which one will get you in the most trouble in math if you don't have it or which one your parents would be the most upset. If you lost or broke and had to ask to get it replaced, you can also simply ask students to vote for the image. They like the best and want to focus on for the upcoming shared writing. You can in order to elicit higher order thinking ask them to choose the two that go best together and lead them in a discussion of why they would or would not go together and perhaps select the appropriate organizational strategy for the shared writing if you've been working with various organizational schema during shared writing. Like compare contrast two examples part-to-whole Etc. Another option is to do a visual survey with picture voting you would replace the ABC and D with icons of culturally relevant items or other vocabulary that you need your kids to know like food or articles of clothing for example, and use the icons to ask the question. So instead of calling out a letter to indicate the photo that they want they would call out bread or cheese or socks. Or hat depending on the icons are pictures that you used to label the four images. Here's how to angle this strategy towards description which is the first cycle of instruction. So in description, there are four phases in that cycle just like there are with all the cycles and the first phase is describing setting. So in order to use this strategy to describe setting you would have four or eight pictures of various settings now some classes if they're the first year are generally Focusing on just describing the weather. So you might have four different pictures of just generic places or perhaps significant locations where your language is widely spoken and in each picture you would want to have different weather. So maybe one is raining one is sunny one looks hot one looks cold will look super windy. Maybe there's like a picture of a hurricane or something like that for upper level classes in description. Even if you still want to keep talking out the weather you could have like before during and after pictures for various natural disasters or environmental changes for instance, maybe pictures of the Amazon rainforest before the big forest fires and after and maybe also pictures of something that happened in the u.s. Maybe the California forest fires that happened a while ago before and after In order to use this in the Cycles on I'm sorry in the phases of cycle one on personal preferences. You can put four or eight depending on how many voting slides you want to have four or eight pictures of various things various examples of a topic or theme so you can have four pictures of different kinds of notebooks or four pictures of different school supplies. Or four pictures of various School subjects like classes of students doing things or let's say that you want to do clothing. You can have four different types of clothing and instead of just maybe asking them what they prefer you could ask them. What would be the best clothing to wear to a party? What would be the best clothing to wear if you go camping? In the phase of the cycle one where you're describing people's internal and external characteristics. You could have pictures of people doing things and ask them ask the class to vote on which one of these things would a brave person most likely do which one of these things would a studious person most likely do. In the Final Phase of the first cycle on description where you're comparing and contrasting descriptions of the present time with descriptions of the past. You could have two pictures one of the present and one of the past of a certain location either a location around the school location around town just generic locations or maybe locations in a place that speaks your language. So you might have a picture of Quebec a hundred years ago. And then a similar picture of Quebec now. you could have pictures of fashion or technology or art or movies or media from in the past and now and those could be popular culture that your students Listen to In Their Own Community or examples of culture cultural products from a community where your language is widely spoken or perhaps both You could also have pictures of people now and in the past or you could have pictures of one person's life that you have four pictures that represent various stages in their life. So when students are voting on the picture that they like the best sometimes they're voting on like their personal preferences, which one of these pictures that represents four different sports. Is your favorite sport to play which one of these pictures is your favorite sport to watch or do you not like sports at all, that would be the case for me. Sometimes they're voting simply on what they want to write about for the shared writing. So out of these four different pictures that show various locations, which Do you think is the most interesting for us to write about? In the case of if you want to set up a compare and contrast or part-to-whole type of shared writing. Then you might ask them to vote on two pictures, which one is the most important part of this picture that shows the whole so like here's a aerial view of Paris which one of these three other pictures that show different locations in Paris is the most important part of parros. people to know about Hey, it's Tina here. And I really want you to send me a message. So if you could just please hit the send message button or go to Anchor dot f m / curriculum Club / message. Then you can send me a voice recording who knows I might put you on a future episode. So if you could just let me know what you think or what you want to hear from me or how you think I'm doing or if you have a story to share or joke, or you want to see. Me a song. I Don't Really Care and here I'll even bribe you so by the end of the month whatever month it is that you're listening to this at the end of the month. I will go look through all the messages that I've gotten through the month pick one randomly, and I will give that person anything they want any one thing at all from our online school at CI - lift off dot teachable.com. So please hit me up. Send me a message by hitting that button or go into anchor dot f m so curriculum Club / message In the narration unit, you can also use the strategy. It's very flexible. In fact, I would say that you could probably use this strategy once every two weeks one of my goals in writing this book Stepping Stones your wannabe on and making the curriculum Club is to give you a tool bag full of very versatile. Very easy low prep strategies that you can use again and again so that you can get comfortable with of a repertoire of strategies from which you can draw a strategy and simply change the content and use it over and over throughout the year. So I've really prioritized easy low prep strategies that also engage students. So this particular strategy asks them to vote or to indicate their preferences. And so therefore it is easy for you to implement in the classroom because you already know what you're going to talk about. And it also is sort of known to you. Like you don't know which one of the pictures the students are going to vote on but you can prepare yourself, especially if you find like I do especially in Spanish that your language isn't quite up to like talking about whatever comes up in class. So to use this strategy in narration, you want to choose images that tell a story. So for instance, you might have a series of four pictures about somebody's childhood and then another series of four pictures about a significant event that happened in their lives and then perhaps another series of four pictures about their influence or you know, maybe monuments that are named after them or museums that are dedicated to their work or pictures that represent social change that they have affected in the world based on their life and their work and what they stood for. you could also ask students to sketch pictures that represent four episodes in their lives or four episodes in a book that they're reading or maybe even four episodes in a chapter of a book that you're reading and you could show one group of pictures another group of pictures and a third group of pictures and have the students vote on the series of pictures that they think would make the most interesting narrative when you sit down to your shared writing so this strategy which is kind of like a picture talk combined with a picture walk combined with a survey is easy low prep engaging to the students and truly can be used again. And again, you could use this once or twice every month once or twice in every single cycle of instruction. So that you have a strategy that's easy for you to deploy and not only that but you'll also be building up a bank of interesting and useful picture Banks or you know, PowerPoint presentations or Google slides that you can pull out again next year.

Learn more about using the low-prep, re-useable, and versatile Visual Surveys strategy...and leave me a voice message here. In this episode, I reference these documents. Visual Surveys Graphic Organizers that can be used with Visual Surveys Sample Visual Survey for Cycle One (Description) Phase One (Describing Setting) Sample Visual Survey for Cycle One (Description) Phase Four (Describing in the Past and Present) Sample Visual Survey for Cycle Three (Description within Narration) Phase Four (Biography — Selecting mini-stories to illustrate a significant person’s attributes) If you are not a Curriculum Club member, you can sign up for our waiting list. We will open registration around Thanksgiving for our Fall cohorts. The cost will be $34 a month -- about a dollar a day for daily lesson plans, weekly live coaching with recordings available for you to watch anytime. bonus live webinars (plus recordings available anytime) with Tina, our coaching staff, and special guests, and a private Facebook group where our goal is to answer your questions as we go through the curriculum. To learn more about the book Stepping Stones Year One and Beyond, visit our online school. And if you want to chip in to support my coffee habit, you can donate to the podcast here.

Hey guys, welcome to show today. I'm glad to have a very special guest for you. His name is Lewis mocker all the way from Brisbane Australia. How are you doing today? Lewis? I'm very well man. Thank you for having me nicely. It's good to good to have you on why don't you why don't you let my list of know kind of in a nutshell what it is. You do all the way down in Australia. Okay. Yeah, so I look my my big claim to fame has been from creating a Many called infinite Prosperity. We launched that in 2012 after I sort of quit my job and I went full time Forex Trading. And so we ran that seven years until very recently. Actually. I'm not sure if you're aware yet, but I gave actually less the company gave away my shares to my business partner because during that time of doing the teaching specifically in the financial industry. I virtually I realized that I loved To teach secondly, I realized that teaching just on the finance wasn't quite as fulfilling to me as sort of broadening my areas of the area that I would love to share on and that sort of covered relationships and mindset and finding your purpose and and dissolving some of the emotional charges that I see hold people back a lot. And so I naturally sort of gravitated to when I was teaching trading in finance and investing. I started there and then I sort of gravitated over to the other area and then I you know, I realized that actually it's the emotional side the mindset side. It's the having a mission for your life side that made a big impact on the top Traders and the top investors that I saw as well. So I found out that there was this this link this correlation and then just naturally I just grew out of the trading specific and now I'm working on a building a school of Mastery. I'm calling it and so that's covering seven areas. Life, I want to help people to empower seven areas of life. So I find that as their health their wealth their wisdom their business their relationships the social leadership in this spiritual Mission. And so that's what we're doing now with about I'm about 12 months into that now and probably in the next month or two. I'll look to launch the full school with all of the trainings. I've been working very hard last 12 months putting together this program. It's going to probably be in the end of about maybe 60 to 70 hours. Hours, I think I'll sort of my my best content on every area of Life. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, it should probably say, you know from dad said to Melissa and we'll see you all know, but I'm enrolled in that. You know the monthly Mastermind. Yep. I think I joined back in early February or March. But yeah, I've got heaps from it. And I've definitely I've definitely learned a ton especially around, you know, that piece that you mentioned are I'm kind of mindset and You know the emotional charges and all the different aspects that come into you know fear and maybe what people think and all that kind of thing. So, I wonder if maybe then touch on some of those sort of principles and sort of have a discussion around maybe first of all figure, you know, what in your view is it that maybe holds people back from you know doing whatever it is they want to do or you know, they've got a I'm in life. What how do you kind of see that in your eyes? Well, there's really two things that I see there's the fear side of it and there's the inspiration side of it all you might call the love side of it. And so ultimately there's there's two driving forces. You would love to do it and you're inspired by it and I'm afraid or I have a fear and I'm going to avoid something or Pursuit. yeah, and love is it two things and so that the two ways that I addressed that from a very from a very core level is firstly finding out what's really inspiring to people what would actually really love to do and I think that not many people ask themselves that and I think that you know with the with this age of social media and in the influences and the entrepreneurship being glorified and all this kind of thing, I think a lot of people think that they want something that in fact is not That's important to them and I think to the degree that they go and pursue this thing because they think they want it and they actually don't they will have these frustrations and they'll beat themselves up and they wonder why they're not being you know, they're not keeping motivated and all this kind of thing. I see that a lot and so first and foremost, I like to ground people and really what is their call our call it the purpose process. It's a seven-day process that I take people through and it's finding out really what they're what they're naturally inspired and called to doing because Cuz everyone has something and for some people it's waking up and they love to be you know, they would love to be a great Surfer or great Gardener or an artist or an educator a teacher and everyone has something and what I have found is that even the way that they're doing their life. Now, there's little breadcrumbs as little clue their little secrets and I've created a system that they can go through by just taking an objective look a truthful review I say Of what their actual life is doing now, and then they can find out what the purpose is. And so I think once they find the purpose that's the first step the next part of it like you said is to dissolve the fears that hold them back and a lot of the fears by the way are the fear of the opinions of other people all the fear of violating some kind of instruction from from somewhat one of their authorities, usually a parent figure and and to fear of not being smart enough. It's a fear of looking bad. It's a fear of failing in public and all this kind of thing. And so if we can go and dissolve those fears and that they know what is inspiring to them then it's a pretty smooth run. They can have a higher degree of flow and the pursuit of their goals Austin and so for you, you know, was that a journey for you yourself, you know overcoming some of those fears and on knocking some of those things that were maybe tied up in your mind. Yeah, yeah, definitely it was so I go out now and I pretty much every day get on the social media on Instagram and snap and I film and I record and I do that kind of thing. Now that that was that's only a kind of a recent thing of my life, right? Because I was quite an introverted kid growing up and I had went in high school. I had the big braces on my teeth. I had to be a little pot and I was a little bit of I was a little bit of the outcasts actually to be honest and and in so I wasn't overly confident I wasn't overly outgoing I wasn't I was a little bit introverted. And so the first time that I ever put a camera in front of my face and tried to talk, I don't know if you do a lot of that yet. It's a little bit challenging. Yeah it definitely okay and and and hearing yourself and hearing your voice in the microphone and seeing yourself. It just it's a little bit of an uncomfortable experience Ramsey is and so exactly right. So going out and learning to do that was I mean it was a fear. It was what are people going to think definitely. I mean, I've had all of that in my journey for sure. Yeah, let's do jungle back then, you know past school days. Did you interview someone that went the college or university and then proceeded end are kind of you know, corporate career or 9 to 5 job or what? Does that look like for? Yeah. Yeah, so it in high school I have I constantly had a little side business has little Side hustles. Yeah, and and so toward grade 11 grade 12 the last two years of my high schooling the business that I started was called Loops International and it was basically an importer of products from China and I had things like hair straighteners. I had t-shirts and I had a razor blades I had if are pods not are pods that back in the day. It was just like headphones kind of thing that you're plugged in. Yeah, and I different different brands and those kinds of things. And I would sell them on eBay primarily and I got I did pretty well in the end. I mean in those days, I mean pretty well. I'm talking about it a thousand dollars a week worth of sales. But but for a grade 12 at the time, I think that was that was kind of cool. Yeah your rules. Yeah. Yeah exactly thousand dollars a week back then is like your ball it out. And so and so after high school, I thought man, I don't really want to go and get a job. I didn't think that that would be into enjoyable and so for a year Yeah, my first year after high school. I literally just did eBay and I was I ramped it up quite a bit in the end. I was I was sort of doing about a thousand to two thousand a week clear profit by that time and so I could live off that very comfortably I still lived at home with Mom and Dad. Yeah, and sort of it was toward the end of that first year. I realized you know what I was doing going out getting drunk and partying and sort of all my friends are going and doing University and all this got to think I was sitting at home sort of in my pajamas doing this EV stuff and and What I realized is that wasn't this wasn't going to be a long-term gig. Yeah, and so I asked my I asked my dad at the time what would you do? If you're in my position? He said he would get a trade get it some kind of trade behind you. And so that's what I did. I actually enrolled to be an electrician and I started the year sort of a year after I ended I school and and so I actually did my four years of electrical apprenticeship and at the at the about the six month six months into the first year. I realized this is not me either. If you are not this is not man. I'm not on Earth the Via an electrician a wake up at this ridiculous for am and you know what I mean? Yeah, and so I decided very early on by that time by the way, I had found trading and so I started with trading options and I was trading options and then cfds and then I moved over to 4X. I think I would have been around about 18 17 18 was just I was at that point I was dabbling and I didn't really know what the hell I was doing. And and so what I decided six months into my electrical apprenticeship I said, What I'm going to double down now on this trading thing because I see a long-term future for that unlike eBay and when I get home from work, my hours were greater than electrician 2 p.m. We knocked off and I could drive straight home and get to work and which is here where we are to be our afternoon and Brisbane is London open London morning time. So yeah, so I could get on at 3:00 and trade the London open till about 9:00 or 10:00 at night. And then I did that sort of five days a week for for the rest of my apprenticeship for around about for years and my goal that I said was to quit my job on the final day of my apprenticeship. I agreed to see it out get the trade and then on the final day I said, I'm going to quit. I'm going to become a full-time Trader and I did nice and so was that then a couple of years of full-time day to dinner? So so it by a bad look the first six months that the end of the six months. I first year second year third year was a lot of learning for me. It was learning and at the end of the third year, I was starting to get pretty consistent. I was I was growing a lot of confidence fourth year was all it was all about confidence and capital and so my last year in the workforce, I guess you would say is was was really building confidence knowing that I could actually pull out my security. Come the job income and live purely off the trading returns. Yeah and building Capital then actually didn't have enough Capital still. And so what I ended up doing is getting I borrowed against the property that I had so I had a nice little amount of equity in a property. So I drew that out as a line of credit and told the bank it was friend investing purposes. They didn't they didn't want to know that I was going to be speculating with it in FX and but I just thought it was an investment loan. I paid my tax deductible interest on it and then I just Put it into my FX account and that gave me the Boost that I needed and at that point and it was a delight it wasn't the only last as a last three or four months of my apprenticeship where I actually had all of the dominoes lined up ahead the confidence. I had the strategy. I knew that I could do it and I had the capital at that time and then so on the last day like I like I said the goal for the last day I quit and so then after that it was around about 18 months purely just had to Forex income and there's benefits and drawbacks of that as well. It was a it was a cool lifestyle, but it was So stressful as well because as you know, we have drawdown months and all that kind of thing. Yeah, and so it was it was it was had benefits and drawbacks and on and on. So what led you into the infinite Prosperity set up and all that. Well, it was at the end of the eBay days when I was winding up my eBay business. I had a friend from high school Amy and she popped around she was actually make better friends with my my good friend Julian and they were they were tight. They're in the same. I'm great. I wasn't actually in the same grade as Amy and she had popped around one afternoon and saw maybe 20 or 30 little bubble wrap Parcels on our pool table there a little packages that I was selling on eBay. And she said what the hell are you doing here? What's going on? And I said well I got this eBay business and this is what I do every afternoon I come home and I do the funny thing after work and she was really interested by that and at that time I was just actually thinking I want to go and spend more time on FX now and wind up the eBay I said look if you're interested, let me show you some of the things and I'll These give the rest of my product and you can you can go and sell them for me. I'll give you a commission on the rest of the boxes. And so that's what we did and she and Sushi learned firstly e battery Bay. You did really really well. She turned my eBay business into like 2x or 3x of what it was doing at the time and and so I said after that we'll sort of was winding up a her. This was months later. I said you need to learn trading and so I taught her trading and I forget what year that was. It was pretty around my second second or third year the apprenticeship by then my eye. I started teaching her trading and she did were very very well with that too. And so by the time I quit I think I quit a little bit before her and then she ended up quitting her job and so both of us were just trading and by that time people were thinking like what the hell is kids doing and a lot of our friends actually came around and where Amy lived I had a little I had a she had a three screen trading setup and then I bought trading setup for her office to so that we could work together and trade together kind of thing and that was a cool time and we had people who had friends and family come and In and watching what we were doing and what we would do is we get the middle like a little pen and pad and we'd give them homework to do as they go and do this to go and download this platform and go and put this in this in this indicator on your charts and and load them up at this time of the offering that kind of thing. And so we were giving them little tutorials and then I guess what we just realize is you know, what we need to turn this thing into a into a proper course and get it to more people going to take it to the end take it to the interwebs. And so that's what we did and that was when I pee that's the first the idea of Ip and so it was about 12 or 18 months after it was 18 months after I quit my apprenticeship that we actually launched but it took a little bit to build the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah nice and so fast forward to can annoy or the pastor of 12 months and the online called mentorship program that you've built that did you I guess, you know, you're obviously realize that you're passionate about teaching and inspiring Answer you want to do you know bridge that. I'd into more than just the finance, / you know for next year's trading your the expanded to the various elements that you mentioned them. Yeah. Yeah. No, I definitely that's that's that's what I'm doing. Now the building the school of Mastery which is which is founded first and foremost on the monthly Mastermind, and so I decided what I booked one of my business velocities, Maybe I'll share is that the subscription model the ongoing payments that that show up in your bank every single month consistently like the lifeblood of the business and now we found that an infinite Prosperity as well. If you can have ongoing consistent predictable income that's a really great way to start and so that's that's that was my theory on starting that and and create a very consistent. I do it very consistent income from that. But then what I'm doing now is the is the intellectual property that I In my subscription model I'm actually taking out I'm sprucing up. I'm adding to it and then packaging it separately for a higher ticket one-off programs that a very in-depth and so we literally just launched one two days ago Robin and I my partner and I we launched our power couple masterclass and so it was a it was a started off as a month in The Mastermind as you probably saw. Yeah, and now what we've done is we're going to take it off in a few days and we're going to Add probably another 50 we're going to double it in length at another 50% or to it or so, and then we're going to have that as a standalone package is something that we can both have both of her and I have as a little family Dynamic here to have a product some way that we can serve people in a product format and and and build our family income like that as well and also serve a lot of people and help them with our relationship stuff and the things that we've learned about having a relationship over 7 years of living together. We're 24 hours a day. Each other and so we've learned a few tricks and hacks to mitigate risk in a relationship and to stabilize the volatility is that are inevitable. Yeah. And so yeah like elements and I've obviously been a part of the Mastermind of The Mastermind for the past couple months you want to just give a flavor of what's involved in that. Obviously. I know but some registers will be kinder to understand, you know, what's involved with obviously mentioned as this The monthly subscription fee that you know people pay to be a part of but you wanna yeah. Ya ballistics. Yeah. Well, well look at the relatively low ticket Mastermind, actually. It's $80 Australian a month. And what I do is I every single month what they do when they subscribe as they get a dashboard. They can go to Louis market.com forward slash Mastermind and click login and I'll have access to a dashboard where every single month. I have a load up a master class. And so these Of the classes. I've covering every single area of life back last year. I started with purpose. And so I shared that was when I first actually shared to the public my purpose process how to go in and find the bread crumbs that are leading you to really what you're meant to be doing here. And so then after we found the purpose and I went into a whole program on business and specifically online business, I call it my for product Empire and I believe that with an online for product Empire that's for specific products that you can build in a funnel format. That it's very very powerful and actually a lot of businesses do it. They might not necessarily call it that by that name but a lot of businesses do it. So let me just tell you really quick. It's the free product which is a free offer or some kind of sample that you can give to people whether that's a free massage or free book free report and then we leave them into a core product which is the number 2 and then a high ticket products like an upsell like a done-for-you or high level of service and then off to the side we have the Descriptions of the free the core the upsell or the high ticket and the subscription of the four products and if you have those build those four products into what I call an Empire the full program fire that in my opinion is one of the most efficient most robust ways to build scalable and sustainable online income. And so we taught that in one of the months and so I'm going around sort of the wheel here and covering as many areas of life as I can. We've done things like how to play Senior year and it was a whole month on year planning. As you know, last last month was all about relationships. The one that were on Now is social leadership month and specifically how to raise Consciousness up and how to transcend the newest fears or the Spheres of mine as I share as I teach and and and how to build leadership from the point of view of the spiritual mental component. Not just the what to do on Instagram and how to use hashtags to go and get more exposure but actually building yourself up from the inside. Side as a leader and that's what we're covering this month. And so I'm just going to keep going around. I've got about 48 months worth of content for it so far and that's I think that's going to keep evolving over the years as I continue to learn and grow myself as well. But it's a cool project. I love the I love the project. It keeps me accountable as well knowing that I've got five or six hundred guys and girls now from all over the world who are waiting for a master class every month. It keeps me accountable and it makes sure I get out there every single month and create something original anime. Raising and film and get it up. And so I guess I'm curious, you know do D plan months ahead for that kind of content. Obviously, you know, you know, I'm familiar with Mastermind. There's numerous videos on each sort of theme or topic each month. But you know, have you planned ahead to sort of august/september time, you know, in terms of the video content that you have recorded. Yeah. Well at the before I In Mastermind, actually, let me share this I had I had ideas and so what I did for and this started probably four years ago. I had a lot of ideas. I don't know if you your brain works the same II think that some people might think like this you had these ideas pop into your mind. Sometimes you're on the shower or sometimes you're dreaming about it your wake up and I think I mean I should build a product on this and so what I started about four years ago, what I did is I created a little spreadsheet little document here and it was my product list and all the The ideas that I had in the products that I wanted to create and I just every time I come up with this idea. I just put it in and say well this is the product this is what it would be about and this is look what I would probably be able to charge and what I wrote then also is how many days it would take me to build birthing some of these products were I can do this and I could build this in a day or two days others were you know, like 90 days a hundred and eighty days it was going to be a humongous Bill. And so guess what after four years. I had 54 ideas little these little Yeah, 54 of them. They really stack up when you when you actually write them down. And so at the start of Mastermind that was my whole idea. He said, you know, what iíve spent four years writing this list of ideas guess how many I had actually implemented he was around about three is around about three and we're like we did that time to execute exactly exactly right and we and we do those three within in for the prosperity and I thought man I need to get I need to I need to get my shit together and put some of these out. Yeah, and so I did it with a mastermind model and so I'd 54. I knew that it would if I just built one of these every month and and I charged a very low very cheap monthly while I'm building that in creating that intellectual property that I can use in future programs and products and all the thing. I thought that would be a very efficient way the other thing that you know, some people are unaware of is the sales process of going in and selling $1,000 or $2,000 product. Sometimes you need to get sales teams and and had to handle objections and all this kind of thing that that actually Serving people and it gets in the way and I mean it makes you need to get more team and more overheads and more costs in order to go and sell a product. So I that's also while I gravitated a lot toward the low ticket $80 price point because I didn't need a salesperson. I just got this automated buddy page and and it's a very it's very easy in a very effortless and a very flowing sale that people say is it's very very valuable and undercharging and and over-delivering which is which is what I think actually to my advantage in to their advantage as well. Yeah. Yeah. I said I am the question or did I go off my big time? Yeah, but you do go on a tangent, but but I think yeah, I think to your point there with the subscription model like even me personally, you know, like you said you're over delivering and I feel like I'm getting my you know investment or money's worth in terms of the value in the videos and then the content and I think that you know, yeah I can imagine with a much higher ticket product. There's a lot more Of scope for I don't know just things the up. Messy and people did movie not you know get what they think they're going to get out of it and all that kind of thing. Whereas a monthly subscription for likes a Yeti dollars, which is like 40 Pines in the UK isn't really a huge ask so, you know, I know even I guess what one question and one clarification of a just for our listeners when you said product you really mean a kind of party Age of content that will deliver value and and you know Inspire and educate is that fair? Yeah. I mean that's that's what I'm sort of that's what I refer to and I'm talking about my own products just because look I resonate with being a teacher I'm here to teach I feel really cold to sharing a message and specifically that message. Is it empowering your life empowering every area of your life? That's very inspiring to me. And so the best way the most efficient That I could do that personally is definitely to create some kind of program or a package that people can go through in their own time and the comfort of their own home and give them actually not just the theory but actually tangible step by step practical things that they can do tools that they can use and so that's what I mean by product. Yeah, but that's not necessarily the what I would say is the only way to do it. I just feel that in this day and age the delivery of a digital product. I saw with infinite Prosperity. We reached a million Of people but in terms of paid clients, we ended up about and around 10,000 paid clients from 60 different countries and I saw that and and back then by the way, I pee. I don't know if you remember it was all written it we didn't even have many videos back then well, and so I see I see I was crazy man. I saw these days you would never get away with that you need a ideas because people have people want to watch videos. They don't really want to just read but but look for seven years. I saw how just reading these words. We put together literally transformed people's God's in a very significant way and it was it was really quite it was it was an eye-opener for me. I realized then that not only is this one of the most efficient ways to package something that you can sell but it's also one of the most rewarding things and can make the biggest difference in the clients life as well. You know, I see some other guys and girls starting businesses like t-shirts and that's a great business. I'm not having it I'm saying that's not a but that's that's a bad idea or anything but when you sell a t-shirt, I mean one you've got to go and find the t-shirt and then you got a cost on a acquiring the thing and the shipping and all the all that kind of stuff and in the end of it when you sell a t-shirt to someone what kind of impact did you have on their life and alternatively where could else that? They've got that t-shirt from may be cheaper and it's one of those things that that I find that if you're looking to have some kind of rewarding or inspiring income. It has to be something along the lines of helping helping others to grow and I think it Not only lucrative but it's inspiring and it's sustainable. And so that's what that's what I focus on sharing digital delivery products that can assist, you know emotional. I think something that I've definitely learned, you know in my lovely couple of months in The Mastermind and even just over the pass through the year is the concept of kind of investing in yourself. So I think we as people I guess even just in the UK for me. Anyway, I've seen a lot of people on myself as well, you know sort of completely in or maybe Mona by the price of things and if we're not getting XYZ ad for this price then Arts to cheaper that's too expensive and we actually never consider, you know, our own self or personal development specifically after you know school or college is and You know the education kind of just adds after that. So I think something that I learned from you and I'm just over the pastor of year. I think it's been a mindset shift is you know investing in yourself and I think you've always tailored it as you know books courses and mentors. I think that's what kind of made me, you know, commit to your your Mastermind and also just you know, really commit to to reading books and consuming You Know audio books because I just see the value and preparing myself and continuing the personal development Journey rather than just having it and after University. I completely agree man and look the way that I the way that I put that is a good investment. I mean a decent investment something, you know, if it will you to put a if you would have put $10,000 into something you would be able to reasonably get what 7 to 10% Like the average person seven eight. Ten percent a year return. Yeah. Yeah, and so you put your 10 grand in. And you're going to get the seven to ten thousand. Sorry seven hundred to a thousand dollar kind of return for the yeah. Yeah, and I mean and and in FX, we saw the fewer percent. There were the top five percent were able to get much higher returns and we're talking into the hundred percent a year and that kind of thing, but that's a few that's a very small percentage of the population who are able to do that. Yeah, but even but you know, even if I take the cream off the top and say like a hundred percent return which isn't easy to do by the way, Oh way but a hundred percent that even that is still only 10,000 return on you on your initial 10,000. Yeah on the on the contrary like what you were saying, if you put the 10 grand into a personal development and you learn skills that you can then go and bring to the marketplace in some point in some form of product or service. I mean the 10,000 can turn into a million. Yeah. I shared a story once I did a $200 Skype call. It was a one-hour one-on-one Skype cause a business coach. Thing and I paid 200 Australian and I forget, you know, we talked for an hour. I forget like 99% of the things that the guy said his name was Ryan and one thing that he said was this he said create a subscription product a subscription model and right then at the time that was exactly what I needed to hear in the business and we didn't have one at that time and I forget everything else. He said except for that one thing and I acted on it and up until recently when I left the company that one thing that I learned. It from him which I paid 200 bucks for was making me literally a hundred thousand over a hundred thousand a year. Probably more it at the peak of it is more 200,000 a year kind of thing. And I mean six figure income from a one-time $200 outlay is that's what I mean by investing in yourself. It pays a bigger return than actually investing in stocks and and property at all the thing and yeah, and I think that's yeah. I think it's definitely something you know, we got Mike. Is and the younger, you know in your 20s especially should definitely be looking to invest in education and knowledge and you know, actually like you said developing the skill sets that you know, you got a whole life span ahead of you of 30, 40 50 years of note 2260 of when you're going to be actually kind of working if you like so completely agree. I guess what while we're on the topic of of and then I'm obviously spoken to in a lot of day trading and foreign exchange and stock market Mac anything. Do you yourself? Not my you know, you've got the business and the online teaching platform. Do you know continue to invest or treated and in stocks or foreign exchange definitely investing every month. I'm investing by the market monthly active tons of active speculation and trading not I'm not actively At this time sometimes I think I'll go back to it. Sometimes when I'm having a rough day in the business. I think man. I just quit this and I'll go to the mountains someplace and I'll put all of my liquidity here into a into an fx brokerage and I'll just do that. Yeah, and it might come there might come a time and place that I get back to that. But right now I'm all of my attention and focus is going into building the school. So I don't want to scare myself out too much. What I find is the more things that you do the less. Well you Do each one kind of thing and after that, you know, you do five things at a twenty percent level and you end up with the same result. Anyway, if you just put a hundred percent into the one thing and so that's sort of my philosophy on that and that's the reason that I'm not active at the moment, but I'll pick I still have I still have a couple of brokerage accounts open and I just probably actually wise to pull it out now, but since I left the company I'm much less active in it, but still investing. Definitely I mean and when I say investing this is my defensive investment. Follow, this is just my passive Investments that are my long long long game. And the truth. Look the truth is that's all pretty much automated. We in Australia, we have a thing called beep give be pay their know. What's it's very similar to something. Yeah be paid for it for us is just the way that we have a we have an online banking without National Australia bank, for example, and we just have a II can be pay into my Vanguard Investments every month. It's an automated amount. It's just a fixed amount that I set which is based on my income. Um from the month before and that's just that's and that's just audit that I don't even think about it. I don't even look at it too much, but that's that's and that's where I suggest actually a lot of people start because it's hard to mess up that yeah. Like I said this this one the fun that I'm that I'm that I focus on is approximately eight in the bit eight and a half percent a year. That's there what they've averaged since early 2000s. I think their Inception. Yeah, let's not about return if it's like you said, Complete passive and automated I guess. Yeah, exactly a hundred percent passive and you don't even think about it. Yeah, I think more people need to you know, just even briefly educate themselves and not because again, you know, I think so many people think that the bank is a CF heaven and that's where they should keep their cash and then I actually, you know due to inflation, you know, you're losing money if you just leave it in the bag sitting there and why not just passively possibly And in the stock market, yeah, exactly, right? I guess they need you one of your videos. I think that that also inspired me was a rind, you know investing in property and I think another video you talked about high actually invest in property might not be such a good idea and it's I think it's the reason why you guys don't own the property, you know, you're continuing continuing to run where you are. You don't know. Touch on your thoughts and views on why you think you know buying a rental property or just buying a home in general in your opinion might not be such a good idea. Okay, cool. Yeah, fuck a few things firstly. I actually have a property. It's an investment property with tenants in it. And so and so what am I? Yeah. One thing that I'll clear up is I'm not anti property. A lot of people say when I go and do these videos sometimes I'm trying to polarize the audience a little bit, but I'm not actually anti. And in fact, if you doing property investment wisely, it can be definitely find my dad actually a lot of his career was built on property investing and so I had a good insight to that growing up. And so I learned a lot about it. Now what I would say when I go out and say don't know it don't always rush into buying a home. It's more of the home you live in now, I know that this varies a lot all around the world and depending on interest rates and that the property market and all the thing the rental market, but definitely here in Australia Where We Are We have a thing here. It's The Great Australian Dream to own your own home. And where we are in the math doesn't stack up. It's where the time that you go and get a 30 year mortgage. And by the time you start paying the interest, which is your mostly paying interest for the first seven years and then when you factor in that most people sell and move and upgrade after seven or eight years, they realize that and that first eight years. They haven't paid anything off the house. It's well, it's more like 10% of the house. Okay, that mostly been paying interest every month which is dead money the exact thing they're trying to avoid in the rental. Now when you factor in then that they have the running costs and maintenance the the roof that are caving in the fences that need to be painted all the things when you factor it all in they're not usually better off. They're better off just renting which is a lot cheaper and then getting the cash flow difference every month and then putting it into something like what I just mentioned before like a 8% eight and a half percent Vanguard fund. And yeah, and if you actually calculate it, they're usually better off doing that. And so where I am, for example the house that we the apartment we live in is a 3 million dollar apartment. And we actually they offered us to buy it. They wanted us to buy it initially the owner wanted to sell and we said no, I don't mind this bloody thing. We pay 1390 a week in rent and so 1390 aware and that's everything. That's the broken fridge. That's all the everything included and we got we pay for electricity obviously, but but in terms Of the maintenance and the body corporate and the running of the pools and the gym here we have in this facility. That's everything and so on three million. I mean, I mean, I would I calculate the other day depending I think if I were to sacrifice a 500 Grand as a down payment and you know, I could be earning eight and a half percent on that and then I was to go and get a loan like a mortgage on the rest of it. It's the the rent the amount that we pay in rent every week doesn't even cover half of the First, you know not to mention all the other not to mention all the other and so it's definitely here where we are. It's it's more black and white. It's more obvious that it's a bad play the homeownership thing. And so that's what I try to share because even when I share those numbers people still say people are so ingrained in this belief that you got to buy a house and it's bad to rent that. They they can't even you know, objectively look at the numbers which is crazy to me. And so that's that's part of my message now as it, you know, if we're to go in About investment property. It's a little bit different because obviously when you put a tenant you got some income coming in to pay off the interest the interest becomes tax-deductible all the running becomes tax deductible. There are more benefits. There are definitely more advantages to you know here where we are getting a place and putting a tenant in it. Now if we were to say that then I would have to throw in. Well, why don't you just buy a real estate investment trust? Yeah. I know why don't you because these some of these rebates are paying six seven eight percent a year and and that means they don't have to deal with tenants. They don't have to do with the agents. They don't they still don't have to deal with the with the running costs and the maintenance and the upkeep of the house. And so even then I would say still, you know still do re it's over the you know, which is a liquid investment that they can they have direct access to and they can click a button and and in three days they're going to have they could sell a hundred dollars worth of their fund. They could sell a hundred thousand dollars worth of their fund. Where is you know, when you have one set of one set of bricks and mortar that is sitting in Suburbia. With with some tenant in there doing God knows what you know, it's you can't just go and sell it as easily. It's a it's not how I would want to run my look. I'd look ahead and I do I do have one of them and that's part of the reason that I say, you know compared to my real estate investment trusts, which is extremely liquid extremely passive extremely flexible asset class, which actually the return also has as exceeded my actual physical Cool, bricks-and-mortar property. Yeah, and so I say well justjust do that. I mean that's what I would do. Now. Then you go one more like final level up would be multi multi door complex, as you know a little bit similar to what Grant Cardone to doing over there. That's another level again. And that's where you know buying something that's physical may start to actually pay off but in terms of buying single doors in Suburbia, it's not it's not my cup of tea. Yeah. A point kill will through wrapping up here. I've got a couple quick fire sort of questions for you if that's okay. Do you you know, do you read a lot of books or listen to audio books throughout your day or what? Does it look like for you? I've also laid a lot between audio and physical. What I will say is I usually I try to stick to one book at a time and probably probably I would say quite a week. Not one a week for we just under maybe 30 to 40 a year. I think that'll be probably reasonable. Yeah, and so now I'm on Audible at the moment the will go I'm reading right now as I'm on Audible. I find that the benefit of the audiobook is that you when you're driving when you're walking when you're you know doing your thing, you can read on the go and so I like I like that. I also like the benefits of having a physical because I like to take notes and highlight and all that kind of thing. But yes, I do both. How about 30-40? Yeah. Nice. Do you get a lot of heaters or you know criticism or negative comments or feedback, you know being in the online space? I have over the years. I feel like it affecting me less and less as I as I continue to learn and evolve definitely back in the early in the early online money making when we're doing infinite Prosperity. Definitely more now. I seem to be a lot less like definitely get people talking smack and drop it drop a little cheeky here and there but you know what? I found out about haters is the only hate or the only complaints or challenges that you get and the Ones that actually hurt the ones that are actually saying something that you yourself somewhere deep inside believe is true and you don't like that part about yourself because anything that someone says that it's if it's not true then it's just like oh, yeah, they just they just don't understand. I mean, it doesn't hurt but if it hurts if it hurts Then I then I usually say look within and find out why it why is it hurting maybe, you know, maybe there's some area that they're bringing to your awareness that you need to work on a focus on a bit more. Well, it's probably something that we wouldn't learn from, you know, all the content that you put out or videos or yeah photos or whatever else that we might not know about through that those mediums. Say that again. What's like maybe something that we wouldn't know about Louis marker from all of the you know, social media posts and that kind of thing. Oh God. Okay. That's that's a good. I don't know. Actually, I think I might I tried my best to be very transparent. I was gonna say, I mean, I do think it's very transparent like right up to the, you know, wearing the robe and slippers and I kind of things like I feel like I know you inside out even No, you're halfway across the world. I look I look II there probably will be some things but I'm pretty transparent that even even though when I'm having a crappy day or I you know, once I shared I got angry one day. I had a bit of an emotional reaction to something on the computer. I think the computer wasn't performing at Peak speed and that can get under my skin. Sometimes when I'm in a rush. So I bat what I did here is I bash my keyboard with us with my fists, you know broken the keys were flying a broker. And I did a little I did a little story on that. I shared that on my I just lost my shit had to go buy a new keyboard. And so and so even if I try to share a bit of a tall hangovers and the ups and the Downs kind of thing, so you look and to be honest actually maybe a little bit too transparent at times people sort of say like well, I don't know if you should be sharing that as a someone in your role as an influencing people sharing things that are not good habit. So, you know, it comes with comes with drawbacks, but I try to share a reasonable amount. Yeah. I still think we sort of touched on this earlier, but where do you get your best ideas? That's a good that's a good one best ideas at the moment with what I'm working on in terms of building the school and coming up with creative content. My best ideas usually come one. They get seated through my learning. So my reading when I'm reading something particularly from some of from an author who have not read before and who I can tell a very inspired by what they're writing about and I sometimes I get a little bit of a spark and then what I like to do is I I like to try and put my own spin on this thing and repackage it in a way that has my own flavoring on top and and then I can go and share that and put it in my in my school and in The Mastermind, so I would say probably ideas is reading but then also when I read it it's like this simmering effect of of thinking about what I've just read me and and that usually happens look in the shower or on a drive or something like that. You know. Yeah, I think point you just mentioned their bike, you know when you learn And you like to add your own flavor and then teach it back maybe three Instagram or whatever other medium. I think I've got some find that is partial for myself when I'm reading even if it's just, you know talking to a friend about whatever it is. I've learned or consumed up morning or whatever it is. I think I find that super powerful. It just really cements, you know the concept or the key idea that you know, you red white and actually I suppose. It comes back to actually you want learning is you know, it's it's those different levels and it's when you teach a bock it's just something that learning even further. So definitely agree with that represent a hundred percent. I mean, in fact even in the Egyptian mystery school they used to do a thing where when they learn when they were learning to become Masters a part of the way that they would learn is to go and teach other people the other initiates and in the teaching is your greatest learning and so definitely it makes a massive difference. What does Is the most useful product or service that you have personally bought this year under say a hundred us or sorry Australian dollar and there are hundreds John useful product. So that is a tough one. I think someone before said airports as a sort of idea for you. Okay are Parts. Okay. Well in that realm I mean airports here, I like they're like two or three hundred bucks. Yeah, they're pretty sure I don't assume. Placement. Okay. Well look in that realm. You know what I love I really do love is my is my mouse that I have right here and it's the Logitech MX Master to S. If you have you heard of that one actually the movie did you share that it's like the one that curves around your hand. Well, I did I got a vertical they got the new version of it the vertical one. And actually I don't like that as much I like the Old Faithful the old traditional so that I mean look man when you're working like what we do maybe 12 hours a day on the computer. Whether you want to have a really good Mouse and this buddy thing has like eight buttons and all the thing that makes a massive difference. I'm literally using a 12 hours a day. So for under a hundred, I would probably that's comes to mind. I would probably have to go that yeah nice one and then finally any strange passions or hobbies that we might not all but for some Russian but strange passion look, you know, I get foot rubs a yeah, I know that well, I yeah, I just recently In my recently was compiling my finances for the last Financial year. And what I do is I sort of prioritize it by by vendor in a way. I'm spending my money and analyzing that 9 Grand I spent on wall foot massages. Yeah. Well, so it's a little it's probably a little bit of an obsession. Yeah bit of a weird fashion a lot of my love me a foot massage, and so I'll go I'll go sort of in I went yesterday. And so I went yesterday and I'll just go get Robin. Hey call out. Could you call that? They know me my Name and I have my favorite my favorite masseuses workers there and they're great and I show up I take my laptop. I take my ear pods and I literally gone bang out an hour of work and sometimes it's my best most productive work. Yeah, and it's great. I love it. And so let's let's call it the foot massage. Yeah. I was it just addresses it just you know a full rubdown and wash or is it what it what is it? Well, well once you do it, it's called Happy Feet Foot Steam and so you can choose between a stain and a spa but You are going for the spa which is just this little bucket you get there and you put your feet in this bucket of hot water and they soak there for about five minutes and then and then the masseuse comes over and and then it's a full foot. It's a reflexology they call it but it's a full foot and calf Foot & Leg rub and I like your son didn't cough. Oh man. It's amazing. It's so good. And then you sit up in his I'm sitting to the upright in this recliner sort of leaning back a little bit, but I can set up actually take have my laptop here on my lap and I actually do work and listen to music and it's it's amazing. It's my favorite thing to do. Yeah, I'll warm red line here this thanks very much for coming on the podcast really, you know, I'm glad that we got the chance to speak and are grateful for you taking the time out of your day to have a child with me. So thanks my pleasure, man. And thank you so much for having me live a great questions as well. I hope that they can provide some value to the listeners. And for sure if they could just get one thing from it. That would be really Be cool so flexible. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. If you haven't subscribed yet to my podcast. What are you waiting for? Please hit that subscribe button and leave me a review to let me know what you think about the podcast.

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Tell us some stories or maybe you go watch a game or or maybe you go to a concert or a theater or something along those lines. If you're going to do that. You need to get your tickets from one place and one place alone. And that's our presenting sponsor the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and the Moon Sam was asleep there. I just woke her up with the beginning of this rise and shine beautiful. It's time to get your ticket from seeking right now. If you use promo code Pat you get $10 off your first order promo code McAfee $20 off your first order. Holy shit. They're a perfect holiday gift. I know that's what you're saying. And I agree with you completely speaking of what I was saying. Hey, here's some good shit to listen to last night. The Pro Bowl rosters were debuted and it's always a massive evening for the NFL. And it's a massive evening for players if they haven't made a Pro Bowl yet and let me tell you why this is the case. So for me my hatred for these fake Awards goes back all the way to high school my sophomore year of high school. I led the entire state of Pennsylvania and goals scored in Western, Pennsylvania. In assists for our soccer team. My teammate got voted Valley News dispatch, which is a newspaper from where we're from Player of the Year while I was just honorable mention on the team. Okay, I led the entire State and goal scored and the western Pennsylvania and assist in a teammate of mine who's a friend of mine got named player of the year. So it was at that moment. I was I knew that everything was just a big joke. Okay. I knew that these awards are just a big joke because what more could I possibly done? I honestly don't know but I was happy for him in the moment couldn't be selfish. Obviously I'd be had for didn't tell him how mad I was about this until about three months later. Let him enjoy his little fake ceremony that didn't matter in that whole thing. But for me, that's It all started. So then when you go into whatever I wanted to college, I was All-American rookie All-American then I got All-American my senior year, but I was a ray guy finalists and I came in second place for the ray guy award to a kid that had half the punts. I had much lower average than I had just absolutely everything was terrible but right guy picked him strictly because Ray guy was friends with the guys coach. So you compound these things that have happened to me whenever these awards are up in these titles are up and I haven't won you could See how I could personally become jaded then whenever I get to the NFL there's this massive bonus put into my contract to make the Pro Bowl as a quarter of a million of dollars a lot of money, by the way, $250,000 if I get voted in Pro Bowl and I have this hatred for these things, but now I have direct financial gain if I do get voted in so there was a couple years where I did okay, I didn't get in there but like my fourth year, I think or my fifth year. I had a great year and I kept telling myself like hey, this could be the year where Make the Pro Bowl. This could be the year where that $250,000 thing happens and I start like typing myself up to fall in love with this completely fake completely fake not relevant award or title because it's really the only thing that matters in team sports is if your team likes you if your coach is like you if the players respect you in the locker room, if the equipment managers in the athletic trainers in the people that you work with and surround yourself with appreciate and respect what you do and you make your team better and win games, honestly if you're a A true team player. That's the only thing that matters and for me that was the only thing that mattered but whenever you put a quarter of a million dollars on something all of a sudden you start worrying about a little bit more and whatever that was put into the contract. I thought back to my sophomore year of high school. I thought back to college when I got screwed out of these words. I'm like, well, this is just how it's going to be for the rest of my life. So let's assume that that is never going to happen. I have a good year my name starts getting thrown out there a little bit and all of a sudden it's like wait am I going to make the Pro Bowl I started typing myself up. I started typing myself up and then like a week before it was supposed to happen. I start talking myself down the Kyle. You're not going to make it. Remember you get screwed on this don't get your hopes up and then the day before it's to be announced by the night before I go to bed. I'm like, you know, it'd be really cool. If you get voted for the Pro Bowl bat, not only is it Vindication and all that stuff, but the $250,000 would be great. I mean that's just good news and it's nice to be recognized by your peers coaches and fans as the best in the game. So I go to bed I go in the work the next day. And I asked our PR guy. I'm like gonna make it he's like, well, we don't know yet. I'm like you're lying to me. I know I know I know that you know, and he's like I really won't know until this afternoon. So we got to practice with come out after practice and like that I make you like they haven't told me yet. I'm like what the hell with them. I'm going home. So the rest of the team had meetings to watch practice after practice to like kind of recap the film so we could go and later than x say something was going on and I did not have to do that. So I went home I was driving home and I'm like damn another year. I got my hopes up. There's no reason for me to be even excited about this. I thought the team would tell me I'm like three quarters of the way home and I get a call from the pr guy and he's like where you at? I'm like, huh? I'm close to home right now. You know, he's like, I need you to come back and I was like, why is that he's like, you know, why and I'm like, I don't know why he was like well coach would like to announce the rest of the team the pro bowlers and I never had this moment where I had talk myself off the ledge billion seven. I was like, I made the Pro Bowl. He's like, yeah, you made it bro. I'm like, let's go so I hang up on him. I do a U-turn in the middle of a highway. I had back to the facility and I tan like I'm so paid right? I'm so paid by Akon and on the thing and I'm driving back and I'm having this entire moment. I get back into the facility both me and finitary made it Chuck one introduced us to the team's or after the practice after they had their meetings after practice everyone in the team meeting room Chuck introduced us. I think to why made it luck made it he want to introduce all of us and it was that moment with the rest of my teammates where they were like happy like clapping for us, you know, that was a real vindicating moment. Like, you know what what I'm doing people are recognizing my peers are recognizing that I've kind of changed the game a little bit. My peers have recognized all the hard work that I put in so you immediately have this moment of gratification where you're like, so thankful and grateful for the entire thing along with the 250,000 our financial bonus. But that moment where your teammates are like happy for you is really the best moment of the whole thing because then as soon as I got in the car to drive home I was like Yeah, but who cares who cares and I think that's the biggest difference between being a first-time pro bowler. And then the next time I got voted in the Pro Bowl where I chose not to play in it. It's like that first time it feels so good to have that Vindication of like people recognize what I'm doing because there's so much BS in the world and a lot of War awards are coming we could go by an enemy right now if we wanted a local Regional, I mean we could go by what right now it's like 250 bucks. You read people under Twitter buyer. They're like Emmy award-winning. It's like no. No any Emmy Award by Is what you should call yourself. It's like every award is normally crap. But whenever you get that first pro bono nod it's so like exhilarating re like, you know, what finally and then afterwards you realize like a lot of bad players make it to the Pro Bowl strictly because of their name a lot of this happens a lot of that happens and I think that's the biggest difference between like young guys. Like, I know Darius Leonard last year. He was Rookie of the Year for some people. He was All-Pro for some people which we'll talk about in a minute, but he didn't make the Pro Bowl and he was like actually heard about it. And I wanted to tell him as somebody like little bit or like hey, this doesn't matter but then I thought back to myself. I was like, you know, what whatever I was going in through my potential first one. I would have been very upset if I didn't make it I can respect it. But I think that's the difference between the first batch of pro bowlers versus repeat pro bowlers where it's like, I appreciate and respect the honor. It's very nice to be recognized by people. But I very much understand that this is a subjective thing not an object of thing and that's why you can get people's opinions and politics involved in it doesn't really matter now. Speaking of not really mattering but people hyping It Up All Pro does not mean a damn thing people say all pro is worth more and when they talk about Hall of fame's like well, he was an all pro five times All Pro means that the media people think that you're the best. So if you don't have a good relationship with the media people, you're never going to get voted in in my position and media people have no idea what's happening in punting and kicking so they have no clue what's called now Grand I was all pro at one point, but there was years where I should have been and I should have been in the Pro Bowl it didn't happen. But it was just like these people have no idea what they're talking about now. Now for some positions, I would assume that the media knows what's good and what isn't good. So like for quarterbacks, let's assume that the media gets it right and that type of stuff but don't don't undersell their relationship with different players to on who gets voted in the hole bro. So I never really gave a damn about All-Pro. I cared about the players vote for Pro Bowl more than anything else more than the fan vote more than the coaches vote. I cared about the players vote. But for me, I love the father. I love the conversation. It's a great honor for people but it's obviously made out to be a much bigger. The deal than it actually is and I think we all understand that about all the wards. If you have an actual brain, you can see how people get vindicate you can see how people get heartbroken but it's all bunch of malarkey in my eyes. Do you think players and coaches take it? Seriously when they're voting for the pro bono? Yeah, we do but also now there's politics in that too. So you're not allowed to vote for your own team. So you're asked to vote like who your three at each position are to whatever it is Hoosier first team pro bowler 17, brother. I think alternate to I don't know if it's three or two for each position. Ian, you're not allowed to vote for anybody on your team. But if you have a guy who you know deserves it at a position who's probably not going to get enough votes. You're like, okay who's probably going to beat him out? Let's leave him out of the list it so there is I mean there is politicking and everything and that's why you can't really take it serious because if it was just some if it wasn't subjective if it was just complete facts like hey, you are the best which is impossible to do because situations are situational that is a real thing. So it's hard to take serious and that's I think The wasn't for my jaded pass with these types of awards and titles and things like that. I would probably have a very different view but I've gone on to be very very successful in a lot of things and I have not won a lot of awards. I probably think I should have won and that's why I don't give a real damn about him. But that first time I got voted in the Pro Bowl. I remember having this incredible feeling of like excitement like, okay, they like me, they really really like me and then as soon as that passes, you're like, there's some other guys are pretty good to take you probably could have gotten if they deserved it. I think the Process of voting in the Pro Bowl is an interesting one where the fans vote. I'm going to remember if you're on a popular team, that's probably going to help you a lot. If you have a nowadays with the way Twitter upwards if you have a good team that is good in Social that probably helps you out a lot if you have a good Twitter and helps you out a lot and if you're in like a wasteland for it's a team that never gets talked about if you're like the Sacramento Kings of the NFL. It's probably be very difficult for you to get into the Pro Bowl strictly because one third of the vote revolves around Fans and if you're a team that doesn't have fans like the Detroit Lions don't have a lot of bands they have fans but it's not a massive amount of fans because people like winners and that's a team that hasn't done that a lot true. And by the way anybody that says like, oh, you're a fair-weather fan. Everybody's a fair-weather fan look at stadiums. Whenever teams are doing well and look at stadiums. Whenever teams aren't doing. Well. There's only a couple teams that can really carry their weight and that's because it's been around for generations and generations. But whenever you're in a big Market on a good team or you're on private, Primetime television a lot. Obviously it's going to be skewed for the fans a little bit more but I think it's a third fans a third players and a third coaches. I think they should add refs into that. Now I think ref should also get a vote because they're on the field like like for me every time I punted in the years that I was doing. Well towards the back half of my ear back half of my career like me and the rest would have a great interaction. Like if I if I hit the hell out of one they'd be like Pat bomb like it would be like a good give-and-take while we're jogging down the field together. And if I hit one not so good. They're like Patty. We look forward to this message that you know, there's like there's like a real thing I think refs are on the field should have a little bit more of a say now granted. They'll get it wrong. I mean the Alberta River on gang I did it wrong this year, but I think there is is something to be said about making the Pro Bowl and I if you're a guy who got snubbed and you haven't made it before know that yes, I can understand you're upset like Aaron Jones for instance of the Green Bay Packers. I'm sure he hasn't made a Pro Bowl yet this year. He's been incredible. I mean if you talk the Packers fans, you're talking about a guy who should be an MVP conversation for our well, he he's not in it at Glen Austin Eckler for the net Los Angeles Chargers. He's one of their biggest upsides. He's not in it, right Dak Prescott was a snob everybody says, he's playing for a Seven and Seven team. He has 11 interceptions that's going to be difficult. But he has been also the most prolific offensive player in the NFL. He didn't make it in index been to the Pro Bowl before I'm assuming has that been a problem. I think I've seen him play dodgeball quarterback for the Cowboys. Let's assume he's been in there before. So he's probably not taking it as bad as the people have never made it who have never had that feeling of being appreciated by their peers. And I think that's what it's all about. He's a two-time pro bowler. No, sir. Yeah, that's it quarterback for the Cowboys. You're making it. Well, the good news for DAC is they'll probably lose their first playoff game and he'll get to go again. I'll turn it anyway, so that's probably how it got in before I see him. Oh, come on. I mean Kirk Cousins is the biggest not available. I think Kirk Cousins Primetime Kirk was born this year. Let's assume he should have been in there. But that NFC batch is a tough group to crack. I mean you're talking and quarterbacks. That is a tough patch to crack right there. Drew Brees just broke every single record. He was out for four games and still gets in which I assume would piss some people off Aaron Rodgers. He currently has 24 touchdowns two interceptions in his leading 11 and 3 or 10 and three two, one of the 11 and 3 at this point. Yeah. I think there are 11 and 3 team. Yeah, you could talk about how he hasn't been as good as he has been in the past. He's a quarterback of 11 and 3 team. He has threw two interceptions in 24 touchdowns. I mean, that's a hell of a stat line. Do other people potentially make it in above him? Maybe maybe Kirk Cousins has done well, but they've lost it a Packers already. They play on Monday Night Football Kirk Cousins. Is that a hell of a year, but they start on low. So and Russell Wilson is an MVP candidate. I mean the NF c 3 is tough one to crack very tough one to crack although daken Kirk. I would assume in any other year would deserve it. And in the AFC Lamar Jackson is an absolute unicorn anomaly game changer for football. I'm happy that he got the most votes. This guy's change in football Patty. Mahomes is the face of the NFL was the face of the NFL before Lamar Jackson became the face of the NFL Pat Mahomes gets hurt. They lose a couple games Lamar Jackson just continues to shine. He becomes in DeShaun Watson the Michael Jordan of the NFL Dubose when he said this year has had a hell of a year also to be noted for the six quarterbacks are voted into the Pro Bowl this year or African-American quarterbacks that is massive. That is a big storyline. They were talking about on ESPN this morning. They were talking about it on every other show this morning. That is big news. Not only for the position but Our society by the way good for our society good for the game of football and good for the position of quarterback to be a much more diverse position because for a long time the position was dominated by the richest kids the kids who had all the best coaching for all the years the kids who come from the best schools the smartest people they say all these things were criteria that basically had to be in place for you to become a quarterback now, it's like hey, who's the best players who can make plays who are the guys who are the studs and stars of? Their team, let's get them in there and I'm happy the NFL is becoming a much more diverse operation, especially at the face of the team, which is the quarterback position those AFC quarterbacks. If you're another AFC franchise that's tough to look at because those all three of those quarters are very young and very good Tom Brady's first time not making the Pro Bowl since 2008, by the way, there's a guy that never goes to the Pro Bowl normally because he's in the Super Bowl, but if he's not in a Super Bowl, it's probably the same thing as me like very cool to be recognized. Yet me and Tom same very cool to be recognized. But at some point it's just like me who gives a damn what these people say, especially because it feels like as a young player. It's so hard to crack into the Pro Bowl like this year. I saw I saw key Cleese and it again and the Carolina Panthers defense has been terrible and he is the main point out of may not defense a lot of name recognition. Yeah for instance pounds. He's in for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's been in there. I think since my first Pro Bowl policies, but anytime yeah. He's just the name and the name helps and offensive line. Normally it's a name game for off its line because it doesn't get a lot of Pub, but I don't think anybody gives a damn except for the people that haven't made a Pro Bowl yet because you want to be able to say for the rest of your life. You're a pro bowler. Like for instance. I will forever be an All-Pro Pat McAfee, right? Because the media the associated the whatever they are voted me as an All-Pro one time. You could say that to me now going to we lost the Super Bowl to Drew Brees. Who's also an Old Pro would have been nice to be Super Bowl champion. All-Pro Pat macv, even though I don't deserve it. Either of those titles. I think it given the anybody in any given time that's something you can ever take away from you and that's why the young people care about a lot more than the older players who just want to win. I'd assume oh, yeah, it's Richard Sherman got a million dollars for getting in today. Yeah. That's pretty nice massive. Yeah, if it wasn't for the financial benefit, I like for me the two hundred fifty thousand dollar bonus was like, let's go. Well why anymore either? Yeah. Well when I went it wasn't a why you it was an Arizona. We promised three hours into the desert come on and they didn't shut down the whole hotel. They're just a bunch of random. Them's floating around the hotel the bad saying that the good Santa I mean it. Whoa, let's say that about Arizona bro, you know Beach Sands way better as water. I agree. That's a desert where there is no water. But if you crack a cactus open, yep, you can drink from that. Yes, we didn't do it. I don't know why we can't do any Cactus cracked and only thing I did was Hammer strawberry marks because it was the week after we lost to the Patriots back 400 in deflategate was potentially happening, but I think the Pro Bowl although when it was back in Hawaii and you were a kid. I used to be like man. I hope I make the whole one day all these skills challenges. The luau is the beautiful weather and then I make it it's like in Arizona. We got a bunch of randoms in the hotel or they wanted me to go build a sidewalk in the middle of the desert. I'm like, oh, what are we doing? I thought this was good. I don't think this was a bad thing. Did they get the for the brand correct? Brett. Kern is the most underrated punter in the history of the NFL. I'm happy. He gets a pro bowl nod from Tennessee. He's been very good for a long time. Just And Tucker obviously Justin Tuck Justin Tucker. He focuses on focusing will Lutz guess in the show friend of the show as is Justin Tucker records ever been on the show. I'll know he and I are like friends to change that we should and I don't know how much media he does. I think he's kind of a quiet guy but he's a hell of a punter and Trust way trust way has a massive leg massive left either from Oklahoma. I guess he's a really good athlete. I think by the way, haven't seen a lot of Redskins game. So I assume he's done. Well, they put a lot. Yeah. There's a lot of teams but a lot but he is a big Oleg. I'm happy. He makes it in and Rick Lovato and Morgan cocks good representatives for the first time long Snappers have been actually voted in as opposed to just Chosen and good for them. Hey can go down for the rest of their lives is the first long Snappers that were actually voted in to the Pro Bowl as opposed to just selected him by the coaches that are coaching the two teams good for them Slater stud out of the Chiefs. Like I mean if Nicole Harbin wasn't the returner just retire he killed back there. Yeah. I'm very happy like for the brand punters that they no longer have time to kill back there, but they just found another one. You know what I mean? They found another guy in Hardman who's faster than everybody somehow, he's Elusive and he has no fear which is what a returner has to have and Deonte Harris for the Saints. I don't think I've seen enough of him. He's small but he's very quick. That's the biggest thing for returners is the ability to be quick. If you're a kickoff returner, you got to be fast. If you're a punt returner, you got to be quick. If you have both of those you're normally a very good returner for Years and years and years but the High football IQ K to know when to take a risk and catch something when not to for field position and then also no fear like you have to have it no fear because all I'm trying to do is hang up there high enough that you like Pez this there was a couple of Turner's that as soon as their head will go like this. We knew they were a fair catch because it couldn't see who was coming. Right? So all you're trying to do is hit the ball high, so there's no return and it's over a lot some of these dudes. Some of these dudes have no fear at all. They could have Nine humans that are running for six has four fours four 7s rate in their face and they're like, nope. I'm a make something out of nothing those whenever you have somebody like that you got to hang on to them and a lot of teams don't they let them just kind of go and whatever they figure it out and but for me Pro Bowl All-Pro very good honor for all these people but I think as they get older they'll realize that it's all just a bunch of malarkey and that's what it is. That's all it is. I was looking it up Pacman Jones 96 returns without a fair catch. Yeah. That was the thing. I told him I was going to get him onto whenever we played on Isaac. Get you to forget when he's a Not Me Pee Mak they wouldn't put them in for Pooch areas. So they so you know what? I mean, they wouldn't put them in for Pooch areas, which probably because like you don't know they knew yeah, they knew he wouldn't so there's like a chance for something but he was a Pacman Jones has it he was All-Pro returner of the year. I wouldn't he's unbelievable of that zero fear zero fear at any time. Anybody can get it you're at an airport in Atlanta Popeyes you to say something you can get it. I mean he had zero fear Him Devin Hester. Julian Edelman was a great returner for a long time. They don't have him return anymore. They have Mohamed Sanu who is not a good return Iraq. That was nothing else in the league when you were there. No, but I got a chance to meet Dante Hall. I think at the draft he was good. Yeah, cool guy didn't get a chance get him Cordarrelle Patterson used to be a stud because you never really did anything. He never still he still stood kick returner minute this year. They made it. He made a special teamer. I think right because he's made covering on Gunner. Yeah, he made it. A special teamer I think which is Awesome. By the way Cordell is transferred into that. He got screwed last week against the Packers where he blew up a returner and they called don't get me started. The Bears could have won that game earlier that they went down. They did good down. 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He was a Washington State Cougar and NFL prospect hit rock bottom has come all the way back will be commentating and calling the cheese at Bowl the biggest best bowl of All the time ever on December 27th ESPN employee and Legend honestly Ryan Leaf. Ryan how's it going? Pal? I'm good, buddy. How you doing? Good. Hey, let's get to it because we don't have that much time and I want your beautiful brain to be displayed here. Josh. Gordon has been suspended indefinitely a couple weeks ago. I stated about how if this is all just because a weed I think in a couple years this is going to look very stupid whenever it's nationally legalized you said. Hey, I would like to talk a little bit more about that. What are your thoughts on Josh Gordon and this whole incredibly sad situation with one of the best talents ever enter the NFL? Yeah. I mean, it's been some it's been something that's been going on for For a while now and I've reached out to him for over the last two years and he's been willing to talk but just not really willing to listen and you can't do anything about that if someone is not willing to help themselves, right and so in this process when that happened the trade or the the release and to Seattle went I knew that there was something more and it's more to it than than marijuana and marijuana for him. It's not used for the relief of pain. It's a mood-altering substance. Or him. He's not comfortable with who he is in those moments. Therefore. He uses it to alter his mood. It's a different scenario when people use let's say CBD oil and things like that to help with pain. Then when you're trying to remove the emotional pain of a mood-altering substance and this time, of course, he added a performance-enhancing drug to the scenario, which also helped with the suspension. You think that was Adderall or will we never know? What do you think? That was potentially? Yeah, I would probably won't ever know who we met. I mean this stuff gets leaked out all the time. So we met figure that out or he may you know, find some transparency and vulnerability and come to us and tell everybody what went down and that's always a hope. You know, I want the best for him. I don't want anybody to ever have to go through the same type of thing I did and and not be able to live their dream of playing professional football because he's so talented like you said, that's the biggest problem here and I want him to find that peace and that Serenity that comes with with acceptance and surrender and I just don't know if he's he's gotten that place. We heard Pete Carroll talk about how he understands what the resources are there for him. He just he just he won't utilize them and if he does he's not transparent and vulnerable and and surrender and accept all that help and that's that's that's that's shameful and and sad because you know, he's a human being. Yeah. Okay. So a lot of people might not know your story, but you ended up in jail due to pills I believe right? A pill addiction. Yeah, so the only drug I've ever taken is Vicodin and it was prescribed to me after surgeries in college. And then of course when my career ended I had all this emotional baggage that I didn't go get the proper help with and so I self-medicated with a opiate pain killer and it did exactly its job, right? It killed the pain. I was in for a long long time until of course. You can't manage that you can't manage life. Like that and it just continued to spiral and spiral and spiral out of control and I was just like a junkie on the corner with a needle in his arm same difference. It just happened to be a little white pill prescribed by a doctor, but I'm still that junkie and I had to feed that that habit and It ultimately took me to a prison cell and and God, you know, am I grateful for that happening to me? Yeah, because you had to hit rock bottom to find the person you are today, which is somebody who's accepted yourself and to surrender. You said that Josh Gordon has yet to be able to find do you think there? Is a positive out of this potential Josh Gordon suspension indefinitely if he's able to find a good way out of this whole thing. Of course, I think when you're that talented and you have this much and you're that young if you find that answer and find that solution yes, of course, there is I mean look at I'm a perfect example is Chris Herren is a perfect example of this it we're not playing the sports that we played in but we're thriving in a lifestyle where I get to contribute on. One of the biggest Platforms in sports there is on ESPN and around the country. So I'm thriving in a new occupation it just for Josh Gordon. He's still able to do the thing. He really loves to do and maybe I won't look back on it as a regret because he's so young and still so talented. A lot of people say that marijuana is not an addiction drug. It's a drug that can be stopped whenever you want because it doesn't have I guess the the body doesn't forget. I don't know how to describe this. They say it's not an Drug, right. They say it's something you'd quit. Do you agree with that or not? I mean I don't necessarily agree with it because I work with people who are going through psychosis because of constant marijuana use. So for me, I see it as something different, but I don't I don't believe I'm a proponent for decriminalization of all drugs. I think that you tax it you educate you set up reform if given the opportunity to stand in front of Congress and and Lobby I'm going to be for that Portugal has a Really good blueprint on how they dealt with the decriminalization of the drugs there in that country and how the crime rate is just absolutely dropped overdoses have dissipated completely almost and people are more open about it and see it as a disease and care for it that way and so I don't know if that will ever happen here, but I'm always going to be that person. So I dont ever if the NFL chooses to continue to make it a suspended below. Offense that's their prerogative. They it's a private company. Okay, and I also think if you're willing to have to use a drug to do your job, then you might want to have you might want to look at at finding another job it just you don't if you're not capable of being yourself now if it's a pain issue that's a different thing. But also if you're in so much pain that you have to take some mood-altering drug to to play. I mean, that's a problem too. Yeah. So I mean this is a bigger issue than just the idea that marijuana may or may not be addictive I am Confirm everything just because I know what my mind does, you know other people are able to do these things people are able to drink use marijuana. Do those things like that use drugs recreationally and not have a problem. I'm just allergic right I break out in handcuffs when I when I said, that's a good joke. Hey, that's a very I would like, you know, that's a very good joke. I think the people would say well, I'm getting a massive paycheck. That's why I choose to continue to use that I think pills are a bigger problem in sports than anything else. Of course. I'll be excited to see See how they fixed that now, let's pivot to what you talked about. How you brought your life back on track and how you work on ESPN now get a chance to kind of compensate. You're very good at that. You're calling the cheese and Bowl. What are you looking forward to with the cheese at Bowl which is the biggest best bowl of all time ever. Yeah. I was pretty excited when I got that assignment and then to find out that my alma mater Washington state is in the game. That's that's pretty cool. But Air Force is a good football team, you know, they went 10 and to this year. They do something really different. These teams are are almost mirror images in the complete. Opposite right one runs the football today the other team throws the football all day and you have to prepare as a defense significantly in be very structured very Gap Integrity all of those things to prevent. I think this could be a really big shootout a lot of points scored fun. Are you going to be there? You can be punting there's that would be yeah. I'm going to be sitting in a two-story Cheez-It box field side with some people that want to contest and then I believe I'm trying to punch a ball into a bowl of cheese to raise a bunch of money for the Arie I love that if I can do anything to help you with that. I'm all over it might have you try one. We should have you throw one into buying something to think of. Yeah, can you still sing it? Oh God. Yeah. Come on. Let's do it. I'm gonna fire that thing in there. We got a chance to talk to you in a podcast. That was it was an incredibly eye-opening conversation for a lot of people that are listening. They might not have heard that can you tell the story about how in jail you found the way to fulfillment was you were helping Teach other people how to read and things like this and that's really how your life almost got turned back around. Yeah. I was just a super selfish dishonest, you know, you know self-interest guy and even when I was in prison that didn't improve because I wasn't about anybody but myself and my roommate, I don't know if you remember me talking about this. My roommate was a Afghan and Iraqi War veteran and he had been in there for eight years for a crime that I think a lot of us. Us may have done in our life and that's drive drunk at some point, but he just happened to kill somebody that night when he was on leave from tour and I watched him try to better himself every single day and I just I couldn't understand it because I just looked at myself as so so much self-pity. Like I'm the victim, you know all this and he just he made amends for what he did. He tried to better himself and then one day he finally felt confident enough, I guess to to confront me and says I had my he told me I had my head buried in the sand. I didn't understand the value not only for the men. Therefore but when I got out and he suggested we go down to the prison library and help prisoners who didn't know how to read learn how to read and I went I mean I went begrudgingly but and I did it and I saw these men who were being really vulnerable in a place where you're supposed to show no vulnerability and I heard them say something to me. Hey, I'm really struggling this with this. Can you help me and I think growing up in Montana and the cowboy culture and then being in an NFL college locker room my whole life where this machismo. Was there where you're not ever supposed to be vulnerable and ask for help? I think it was probably the first time I have heard a man actually asked that question and it really made me think and what I found out after I went back and went back and went back and was continuing to do this is that I was actually being of service to another human being for the first time and it just it changed my way of thinking. I didn't know it was the the answer there in the moment, right? You never know that the Epiphany happens when you're in it, you're like looking at the forest through the trees, but from 30,000 feet now. And you asking the question of me doing this a lot. I can look at it and go. Okay. That was the moment where I was like this has nothing to do with me. This has everything to do with the individual needs some help. The media is not watching this isn't about my brand is nothing. No one cared. No one knew this was just two individuals who were in a very difficult position dealing with adversity helping each other try to be better and I think that's the best way to look at things and it's how I really live my life now and it's given me everything these last five years. That's an awesome story and we were warmly heard it. We thought it was incredible hearing it again. Hey, we're all very proud of you think you could teach Zito how to read we got a guy here illiterate. I mean it's you know, it's a lot harder than you think you take it for granted and how you're taught growing up and then when you start to teach it you don't worry, you'll get better young man. It was harder than I thought. I had to kind of relearn how to you know, because they know what the word What the word means they just don't know how to sound it out and you have to kind of go through phonetics. It was it was an interesting and it taught me a lot of patience and I think that was helpful for me too. Alright, we only got like two minutes left, but I want to ask you about the changing of football which is happening right in front of her eyes with Lamar Jackson a lot more at Kyler Murray's having success in his first year Patrick Mahomes. You name it Baker Mayfield if he can ever figure it out. He's a mobile quarterback football seems to be changing right in front of her eyes. How do you feel about it from a quarterback position? I love it. I mean I don't get a chance to watch a lot of NFL football. I'm really impressed with what you do. Pop it on get up on Monday morning talking about everything cause I'm usually flying back on Sundays and then when I land I'm like I throw in the Red Zone, but I'm playing with my kid all day and I don't know really what's going on know Lamar Jackson is playing well all the things you the things you said, I think it's great. I mean it allows for I think the college football player, especially the quarterback to go to the next level and have success right away wasn't the case when when a lot of us were coming out in 90s because the pro-style offense was set in place and didn't cater to the guy coming in instead. Now the quarterback comes in and the coach is willing to form what he does best, you know to the to the offense or the defense and that's why I think John Harbaugh I really was like, you know, this guy is special, you know, he's a special talent. I'm not going to impose my will on him. I'm going to allow what he does so well to be our standard and that's why there. They're the best team in the AFC right now. Maybe the best team in the NFL. I agree. Hey Ryan, you're the best. I can't wait to see you on December 27th. I appreciate you time. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Leaf. Thank you, man. You got guys. Thank you for having me. He's a good dude story of perseverance said by the way, can't wait to see him on the 27th. We interrupt this conversation yet again to let you know that's for business purposes. But also to let you know that all Most guys have tried different ways to last longer in a sack, you know thinking about baseball doesn't always work. The folks at Roman and online Men's Health company or changing the game with Roman swipes the secret to longer lasting sex the right, babe. That sounded legit. 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Well, not only that I guess January 1st is right around. Yeah, it is. That's a fake one though. Everything. Everyone says they're going to do it in the three days in the give us. Well, actually 80% I did this - for New Year's Eve show. Oh, it's either 80 82 percent of New Year's resolutions and 12 days into the new year. So every year January 1st every new year new me new year new me this year this Year, it's all about self care and self wealth and not caring about other people and stats say that a large majority by January 13th. They're going to be back to being fat and Karen exactly what everybody else says about them anymore. And that's just the way things work and I fall right into that right into that stat. We're screwed this year New Year's Day January 1st is on a Wednesday. Oh, yeah, push next are my lady last night smart starting on January 2nd. She said she started died on January 2nd for the Wedding because we have a wedding coming up. So she said she's starting her Fitness life January 2nd because January 1st, you want to be lazy. Yes that I'd like to be later on January 4th politics all yeah. Exactly. That's what Sam all bogus. Yes, sir. Sammy 124 wants to watch college football in January sock rotten cabasa. By the way, Sam has like 30,000 followers. Thanks Graham feels like she's a real influencer. She is I think that's the demarcation 30,000. Yeah, you're an influencer now congrats him congrats. You got Sam congrats Sammy. That's all I know if people know her or not, if people come out to me, they're like tell Sammy I said hello Mike. Oh, you know from the internet and if people come up and say tell Sam you said what's up? It's like oh you actually know Sam. Okay, they're fact that her Instagram thing is samael in I don't think anybody on Earth calls her that oh my God. I don't think I've heard a single human that that knows her call her simulant when I say Sammy, I think Sammy Davis jr. Yeah Sam, is that really what you think? I was the first thing I thought about what you said that well, hey, then that's an accurate. That what you just said the beautiful mind. I thought the diet was going to be spurned from you and Zito eating a whole cake. Oh, shut up came after me yesterday for no reason we've been in a really bad spot though Sunday night. We were in that sweet. We got chicken fingers. We got pizza. Then we were on the plane. We got more Wings. We got more chicken fingers and another take yesterday FanDuel delivers lunch the office building and with a been in CBD MD sent a cake from New York. The best cake in New York was say brought it cookies on Jay what? We supposed to do it's not our fault hail bad blood in the you were being fat shamed online. I was I've been being hatching Ohio State fans have been coming after me because it's Urban Meyer personal beef I have with them now. I got all these buffoons from Allah. It's not the entire Ohio State fam be so like that to be know we sold out of theater in Columbus in like a minute and a half or something like that. So I understand we got a lot of love in Columbus, but the old whites Buckeye fans have been coming after me for me and urban Meyer's beef. I am a guy who hates people forever. I'm think about make it right with her - trick was to these old ones will stop. Bolo tie worn it is. Yes. Well, you'll have enough money to afford sleeves and I was like God mm. Like I could have yesterday could have been killing season on Twitter with these old whites coming after me in the amount of restraint I showed was I think I'm ready for kids. Like I think I'm right. I never knew I had this type of hey, I know I did I just type of restraint because I'm reading these things and then I click on their profile that start scanning through their Tweets in their pictures and everything. I'm like that makes it even Harder, this guy doesn't even know that I could just ruin him right now. I understand people think they're good at you know, trash talking and things like that and I respect that and I think I have encountered some of the best in the history. If you want to get into a mental joust with me. I am a hundred percent okay with that and ready to go. You just better hope that you have your entire Twitter wipe clean of anything because I will do my research because you know a lot about me, you know a lot about me I'm gonna do my research on you and then let's go ahead and have at it. I'm very okay with that. Now I'm a new man. I showed restraint yesterday. I put the phone down for like 20 minutes actually a while. I had an entire tweetup that I probably would have made a guy quit Twitter and I didn't I deleted it. I put it in the drafts and I just want a way I'm impressed. I got a question. I got a question for thank you. Now that you've been on the internet for a long time long time and you're getting better like the people forget the more I'm alone a lesser straight. Hey that Twitter. Hey, I got a lot of real estate on that Twitter pal and there's a reason it's not because I just fell to the top of the Twitter Mountain pal. It's because the words I could put together and pretty good fashion on there. And a lot of these people are just making it way too easy way way to a lot of these Ohio State fans are coming in way too easy. They're making and I just I let them all live Let Him Live Let Him Live. Normally, it's kill him and I didn't Now That I'm Older. I'm 32 years old. I got hemorrhoids wise I let him live and I feel soft. No I did I went to bed last night. I had to take more I had to take double dosage see medium/deep. Couldn't sleep with myself. So some notable news with old Nick Josh. Allen. Selfie has been hung up hung up in an art gallery a Bills fan posted the selfie that Alan took with them on Twitter and he said that the photo should be hung up in the albright-knox gallery. So the gallery did just that and they went ahead and hung it up with a the Tweet caption. So what does this mean? So Josh Island, I guess her as a bunch of fans waiting for the Buffalo Bills whenever they got home from the big victory Diner and Heinz Field that we were at where they beat an undefeated quarterback and duck Hodges. They made duck Hodges not look like an undefeated quarterback for a night. I mean duck Hodges has been named starter for the Steelers going forwards, but the Buffalo Bills in a playoff atmosphere in a playoff game must win game get a massive win to prove that Sean. McDermott has built that Buffalo Bills team all the way up. They are now six and a half Point dogs against New England. I think everybody in this room is potentially hammering the Buffalo Bills, but whenever they got home after that game after Sunday Night Football all of Buffalo who wasn't it? Heinz Field because they had a large presence there. All of Buffalo Bills. Mafia was waiting for them. Josh Allen takes a selfie through a fence. Now that picture is now going up in a museum in Buffalo Bills. Mafia deserves. This run bills. Mafia is excited about this run and I'm happy and I think Josh Allen's the perfect guy to be the face of it. Is he the best quarterback in the league? No, but is he a gritty quarterback who absolutely loves the game and will do whatever it takes to get a win. Yes, and I think the people Buffalo absolutely loved. Yeah. I mean you got to be happy for a shins like this that will hang things in museums just for making the playoffs. Oh, no, don't come on. It's up Tony. I used to love the Buffalo Bills fence. You used to love them a little bit louder now. I mean celebrate a regular season with the airport. It's alright. That was a playoff win was it? Yeah got him in the playoffs. It secured playoff for the first time in a long time. Ten win season for the first time in a long time. That is a Monumental Victory on prime-time television to propel them into a place that they haven't been for a long time Bill's mob. Is excited about that Bill's Mafia for far too long has been celebrating mediocrity, right? They've been the only thing that has been worth watching in Buffalo when it came to the bills for a long time. Hey, what's the clips that got on the internet? Most Buffalo Bills playing football or bills Mafia and perform it in the parking lot Bill's Mafia performing in a parking lot. Now this year not only is Bill's Mafia putting on the parking lot putting people through tables showing up for about a quarter of the about a quarter of the population in Heinz Field was Buffalo Bills fans. It was very loud there on Sunday Night Football. Ball now they actually have a team that's worth a damn that's winning and that represents that that City I'm happy for him. And it was more than just regular season. Well, I think you guys have reacted very differently if this was against the Pittsburgh steel. No. No, I am well it's just yeah, I just knew saw it because they were coming at me but these organizations who have haven't won in 20 30 years and then they finally taste some sort of Victory. They just don't know how to control a Santoni you on your high horse. See if they can beat the Patriots. Can you blame them though? Yeah blame it as y as a Die Hard I am base that has tasted success for the first time in a long time. I'd be acting a fool to I'd be like magic what the dog pounds going to be like if they can ever turn that thing around but we saw it. Yeah, we're summer they thought they won the Super Bowl. Well, I mean, come on. Maybe that's rubbing it off on me towards the bills. What happened with the Browns? Yeah. Maybe I got Buckeye fans coming after me right now. So I mean they've been very good. So I can't tell you I can't be like, yeah, you guys stink they don't they're probably National Championship. I've been saying that this entire time but I think I was the first national media members. They don't have stage be number one. I don't even know what we're doing here. I just up like dream Jim Tressel over there in Colombia you had their back. I've had their back this entire time in a personal beef with a guy that they see is a deity has become a problem. I hate it. I love the bills. I love them all year long just a weak heart couple fans out of ruin it. See you can't listen. We tend to judge others by their worst representatives and judge ourselves by our best intentions and you just can't do that. I've hard time not doing it the bills. Mafia has a fan base. That deserve success. I'm sure 99 percent were great. Bill's. Mafia actually hates me right now. Why because I filmed there a sideline that was in an article or what are those otherwise couple? Yeah. So my default ones anything else Nick. Yeah. The Titans are on the verge of wrapping up. The ugliest season of the NFL has ever seen so far this season. The Titans are 8 for 18 on field goals. If they don't improve over the final two weeks, they'll be the first team since the 1987 Vikings to miss more. Field goals than they've made this is not great for the brand. Obviously. This is not great for the brand of kicking. They Ryan suck up got hurt hurt his groin. They brought in another kicker. He missed they bring work suck up back. He missed last week against the Texans in a playoff game. Basically a blocked field goal is the difference in not sending anything to overtime. I mean 8 of 18 is very difficult, especially whenever you're talking about professional ball kickers Now suck up has been very good for a long time. Obviously when you're injured and you're dealing with inches and milliseconds a little bit of a And off-kilter situation can affect that obviously, but man, the Titans are on such a good run to their on such a good run in the fact that they were able to do it with a field goal unit that has missed 10 kicks out of 18 kicks is absolute Insanity. I saw PFT commenter kick into the net yesterday and he's a former rugby player. He's trying out for the DC defenders in the XFL. I mean, they might as well just signed him at least he'll sign sell some jerseys. They I mean they stink down there maybe succubus. Be able to get back because it's been a couple weeks removed are from the groin injury that he had but boy that ball he kicked it got blocked looked a little low and they're going to need it. I mean, that's just not great for the brand PFT had a great kick didn't have as much ankle lock as you would hope on his kicking foot a kind of bounced off a little bit, but he had good form and I 8 of 18 is just not good. Yes, uh cups 1 4 6 Cairo Santos was 4 of 9 and then Cody Park. He was actually three for three. Oh, come on. What come on tank, you know? Yeah, but that got blocked Maybe. Offensive line should have blocked a little bit better and hold on a little bit better. They're never gets talked about. The only thing is blame oncodeep are key because the commentators refused to acknowledge the fact that it got blocked in real time. So Barry the handsome kid that wants to Auburn who's the kicker because it's an easy scapegoat. I will say the training videos of him hitting poles his whole life did not help. No, that's a terrible. That's not good. I would like everybody know the back whenever I was field goal kicker. I might not have known where it was going, but I never trained on hitting the ball put that thing through the uprights. I don't care. Or how it sneaks through their get it in there. I don't know why you would anything else Nick. Yeah one more note here Pelicans head coach. Alvin. Gentry said there's no return date yet for his rookie. Zion Williamson. He can currently work out with partial weight bearing but he's yet to get back on the floor and take contact, right? I'ma say I was wrong I'ma say it was wrong. This guy in my eyes was the next one. This guy in my eyes was a guy that could change the NBA. This is a guy in my eyes that I couldn't wait to see him play against They're grown men because it seems like he's been a grown man for 10 years. I've been watching highlights in this guy on the internet. What seems me for a decade now and he goes the Duke he does the same exact thing blows a shoe out because he's so powerful still gets a Nike deal still becomes the number one draft pick gets a chance to get in there. And what we said was he looks a little big and we didn't want to body shame anybody but we through the history of the sport. It's been easy to tell that whenever guys get thinner. It's it's better for their career LeBron. James used to be a much bigger man. And then he got a lot smaller because the wear and tear on your body and how long the season is and how much running it is. Everybody seems to have bad knees in the NBA. I watch a Dennis Rodman documentary last night his rookie season. He was like 26 years old or some like he was icing his knees his rookie season. That's just the way it is and he was a slender guy. So the white we always thought could potentially be an issue but he was so explosive. I figured he'd be able to get around it. And if he did lose some weight when he got in the NBA when he gets around nutritionist and physical trainers and all these things athletic trainers and really gets his life together and focused. I'm not not there anything wrong with that, but if you just completely focuses on his body, I thought there was a chance where he's gonna be able to jump directly into the that he's gonna be able to jump up and put his whole body into the hoop. I was expecting that and I was hope happy for that. I like seeing greats be great. I like seeing people that break the mold. It's while of them are Jackson, huh? I was excited for Zion Williamson. And now I don't even have a return date for the guy in his rookie season. This is not a good start in everybody who's an old heads. Like this guy's going to be a bus. This guy's going to be a bust and I was like, No, no. No. This guy's going to be a game changer. This guy is going to be revolutionary and right now it just looks like they were right and I was a hundred percent wrong. I don't know what the hell is going on with them, but I hope they get him back on the court quick because I like seeing them and I'll let them be healthy and I like to see the pellet Pelicans fly the falcon fly. Oh, yeah, I think so. Why don't you in their gullets? Come on, I like to see the Pelicans fly diner, but instead if no return date and they've lost 13 straight. Yeah supposed to be six to eight weeks. That's six to eight weeks has passed and now the that's just not he's getting and he's good. Body, shame to heavily was an ACL tear was that was not an ACL tear because that's not six to eight weeks. There was something in the knee that's probably like meniscus like cares anytime you have wait, right? I mean your knees take the brunt of it. It's like whenever I was fat in the NFL my knees were worse when I was thinner bunnies are better. It's just the way it goes wait directly affects your knees. That's just that's just I had from my personal experience. He should wear gel insoles. He should Ron has those you see him give away the shoes but he pulled out a so let's first he was like now you can have these your not these insoles. I hope he gets it together. I hope they figure out what's wrong with him. I hope they get him in good shape and I hope he continues to be dominant in the NBA as he was in college because when it came out of high school that guy won't be able to do this in college. He's playing against a bunch of little white kids in high school. I'm not gonna be able to do that in college and then he did it in college and there was why not gonna be able to do in the NBA and now I guess they're proving it right, but I hope he comes out it was just some early but he did look great in summer league before he got hurt. He's a player. That's what he is. He's a good basketball player. Just wish you could get back to you know, Playing basketball Congress is expected to prohibit the sale of tobacco products to people under the age of 21 in part of a new healthcare reform sweep. That's interesting to me. I think everybody's worried about high schoolers being in the e-cigs, right? That's the whole thing. They're normally under the age of 18 in high school. Right? Correct. So is the move to 21 going to make that big of a difference? I'm not a hundred percent sure good for them. It didn't used to be like 15 or something Todd Todd didn't like tobacco use make 15 back in the day 16 and fly knows I used to be sent to the little mini mart and art When I was like 7 and could buy cigarettes for my dad. So whether or not was the law and I certainly wasn't enforced. Okay. Well anything else Nick Emma less is expected to put a team in Charlotte with an expansion fee of 325 million awarded to a group backed by David Tepper the Charlotte Panthers owner, Carol Anne 325 million dollars get an MLS team. There's no way you're getting money back right throwaway sport of the future. Look Ross. Dippin Dots the MLS charlot soccer. They're also asking for a hundred and ten million in taxpayer money for the stadium instead. I think it's only like 50 Grand or something like that aside from Ibrahimovic and aside from Wayne Rooney. When do you watch soccer Pirlo? Huh? It's pure low. But and in the United States never I think Ibrahimovic was Some watch are they left? Yeah, he left back. Yeah, and I think even trashed the league while he was leaving made a couple hundred million threshold gone 325 million dollars for a team. They must not want more teams. That must be that must be the I think there's a squeeze and pepper because they know he's loaded. 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Hello and welcome. Thanks so much for listening to embodied astrology. My name is Renee. I'll be your host for the next hour or so. I'm a Consulting astrologer a somatic intuitive a human being and an artist my work is to bring the language of astrology into the experience of our embodied lives. And to think about how astrology can be a creative a generous and a generative practice for making sense of our experiences our relationships and what's going on in.World in today's episode. I'll be thinking about Leo and Leo season which begins on July 22nd and last through August 22nd in the first part of the episode. I'll offer an embodiment practice which is a systematic meditation a body based meditation using imagery and the felt sense and lots of imagination and definitely movement if you're so inclined to play with Leo Leo is an energy. And a way of being that exists for all of us in all of our bodies. So I'll be talking about the parts of the body that resonate most strongly with Leo's energy. I'll be talking about the kinds of experiences that Leo describes and I'll be talking about how to work with Leo how to deal with this energy and some of the major themes that are coming up in the next month as we work through Leo season and I got to tell you Leo season is a really strong. Season this year all the personal planets will be in Leo. There's a lot of activity in the other fire signs and I think that in these next 30 days, there's quite a lot of opportunity and maybe some challenge as well. So I'll be offering suggestions and tips for how to become more aware of Leo and its opposite sign Aquarius. I'll let you know what to look for in your chart what to watch for in the season and some opportunities and potential challenges to keep sense or I or ear out for before I get into all of that. I really want to encourage you to listen to your audio horoscopes. So every month at the beginning of the zodiac season, I put out 12 audio horoscopes. These are each about 20 minutes long and in them all go through some of the major aspects that are happening in the upcoming month and all describe these aspects and their influences for your side or for your rising sign specifically. I'd also really Like to encourage you to become an embodied astrology subscriber. You can subscribe at any amount per month. It's by donation and with your subscription you get access to an extended forecast for the month ahead that includes an audio recording and a PDF with room for you to take notes and work with embodied astrology in a more practical way as You observe the daily planetary aspects and lunar cycles for those of you that subscribe you are supporting this practice. So So much your regular contributions make it possible for me to offer these podcasts and horoscopes and meditations regularly. So if you love embodied astrology and you want to support it, please do consider subscribing or making a one-time donation. And as always share it with your friends. That's the number one way to support embodied astrology is to love it and talk about it and share it. Finally. I want to let you know about two recent special episodes that are Out and available for you to listen to now the most recent is a special episode. I did for x-ray FM, which is a radio station based in Portland, Oregon this aired on Thursday, July 18th. And in this episode, I look specifically at the sign Capricorn and the planet Saturn in astrology. I'll be talking about a really significant astrological aspect. That is an application. That means it's growing. All of 2019 and which culminates next year in January of 2020. I'll also be looking at the eclipses and of course, we've just come out of a clip season but these eclipses that we just experienced in July are part of a larger series of eclipses that began last summer and will continue through next summer. So I'll be talking about eclipses and Saturn and Capricorn and I'll give a special message for people who are experiencing their Saturn return. As well as people who were born with the conjunction of Saturn and Pluto, which as I mentioned is happening exactly next year people who are in their Saturn return now for the most part include people who are born between 1988 and 1991 1959 and 1960 to 1929 and 1932 and people who are born with this special aspect that I mentioned are folks who are born between the years of 1981. One and 1983 1946 and 1948 and maybe even a few listeners who are born between 1915 and 1916 in the second special episode, which is called the path from trauma discussions On Wellness with t Aisha Edwards. I talked with my dear friend and esteemed colleague Aisha Edwards, we get in deep. We talked about psychology mindfulness trauma cultural specific trauma as relates to race. Says body identities interracial relationships intergenerational healing and we look at astrology and ayesha's chart and we talked about a lot more you can find the episode links to this conversation with Aisha and to the special episode on Saturn in the show notes or from iTunes or SoundCloud or wherever you find embodied astrology. Thanks so much for listening everyone now, let's get into Leo season. So this is embodied astrology and let's embody Leo. Let's feel into what this energy is how it lives in our bodies and let's welcome in this season with an embodied Attunement Leo as you may know is ruled by the Sun and so with today's meditation will just be exploring the imagery and Imagination of the sun within each of us or this. Idea of the Sun and its Radiance but also its place how its positioned in our galaxy. And yeah, so this meditation is an exploration. It's a really creative meditation the way that I approach meditation is as a practice of tuning in and it's very exploratory. It is experiential indefinitely embodied. I'll be offering the prompts for you to feel into your body to bring into your imagination some of the visuals that I suggest and then of course whatever gets parked for you. I move a lot in my own meditation not always when I'm recording just to spare your ears from the wrestling of the microphone against my clothes and movement, but I really want to encourage you to move and to make this meditation a creative exploration. That's what Leo loves. Please feel free to be in any kind of position to move around as we practice. There are a lot of dancers and body workers and somatic lovers and types of people who listen to this podcast. So you all know exactly what to do. Just tune in B with your body allow it to lead you if somatic meditation or movement meditation is new for you. Then I invite you to really just let the imagery and let my mom's guide you and know that there's not a right way to do this and my hope is that you're always just listening and enjoying the meditation letting it lead you into interesting spaces and that you're taking care of your body. So if that means that you want to sit and be still and really just allow these images to come in and move through your inner body and Imagination. That's great. And of course And any movement is awesome. So make yourself comfortable and ready one more thing I should say is that you might also want a journal or some paper and pens close by I find a lot of times when I do these Explorations. I get kind of aha moments or some kind of insight that I want to record. So if you need pause the recording go get that and then we'll begin. So let's just begin as always with breath and you don't need to change your breath at all. Just notice it. And the nature of the phenomenal universe as scientists are verifying is that when anything is observed it changes and in the recognition that we are being observed we become self-aware and there might be might call it a performance, but we might also call it just like an expression. Somebody's noticing me. So as you pay attention to your breath notice how your breath changes and just bringing your awareness to breath. You may feel the kind of delicious quality of breath as it comes in. Whenever I bring my attention to my breath, I usually notice how my attention wasn't there. And sometimes this means I need a much deeper couple of breaths. And your movement can really facilitate openness in your breath and it can help your breath move through your body. So as you breathe, feel free to explore any movement and especially movement that comes into your spine and into your ribs. Your arms are connected to your ribs and you might want to play with linking movement of your arms into your breath letting your arms stretch out and stretch open reach out to the sides. playing with Direction with height as one or both arms reaches up or out to the sides or down your ribs will pull on your spine and your lungs can kind of fill in the space of your inner body inside the basket of your ribs. And because your ribs are connected to your spine As you move your arms and as your breath fills in the space inside of your ribs, it might also just feel really good to invite a little more intentional movement into your spine. And listen to your breath and allow your breath to guide the spinal movement. So as you inhale, it may feel really natural for your spine to move into a particular kind of shape. And as you exhale, you might notice that the shape changes and again, there's no right or wrong here. So just feel into it. And if you've had a lot of movement training and particularly for yoga practitioners or yoga teachers, there's a lot of instruction within an Asana practice around which breaths go with which movements and I just want to invite you to shake that up a little bit. So if you notice that you have a pattern or habit around breathing and moving in one way does it mean you can't do that, but just kind of see what happens if you let your breath Guide your movement and you can ask some questions about how does your breath really want to move in your body? And how does your body really want to move with your breath? When I'm getting ready for a meditation, especially the kind of meditation that we're going to do today, which is going to bring us deeply into a central kind of awareness. I love to do spinal roles and spinal rolls can look a lot of ways and if you're seated or standing and some kind of vertical orientation just to kind of rolling down and rolling up feeling the way that your spine. Can Flex can curve and every vertebra responds to the ones next to it? And I like to think of caterpillars and how they move and kind of invite that undulation into my spine. And again, the breath has such a big support for this kind of exploration, and if you're lying on your back, or if you're down on the ground spinal roles can be done lying on your back using your feet against the floor to lift your pelvis up and kind of roll your spine from the bottom of your spine from your tailbone side rolling it up and down in relationship to the floor. If you're on your side, you can flex and extend your spine kind of moving in and out of a fetal position and some like I don't know High diver position or this opposite of a fetal position. So lots of different ways to explore kind of just a undulating or Rippling movement through the spine. No right way. A tune your inner awareness and focus your inner gaze in this part of your body. I really think that imagination is helpful for increasing and cultivating a felt sense in the body. So if you love Anatomy like I do and you have some pretty clear images in your head of what a spine looks like or what a torso looks like then as you move call in that awareness and that image and see how your bones are moving. And see also the space around your bones particularly the space around your spine as if there is another kind of column tube encasing your entire spine and just feel how the movement of your bones is also held in space. So no, you know crunching and the joints try and really bring in like a fluid and gentle Now if you don't have a lot of clear images of anatomy in your head then maybe you want to imagine like a worm or a snake or again a caterpillar. And you might imagine that kind of shape and that kind of movement right through the central core of your body. So you could imagine your body being home to a giant caterpillar and that caterpillar takes up the central core of your body. So it's headend kind of comes up where your head is and its tail end would come down through the center part of your pelvic floor. And then it's soft ripply undulating body would move through the center of your torso. And you could just play with that as an image. And of course any other images you have are great. So I'm going to transition in my guidance now to some more abstract questions. And as I propose these questions or ideas, please continue to move if it calls you continue to express in any way. If you have your paper close by and like words come in or images come in and you want to take a quick note definitely do that. Feel free to pause the recording at any time for longer notes. So I'd like to really bring attention into this Central core. And again, this could be your spinal column as well as the space around your spine. Or you might imagine this kind of ripply more Serpentine being inside your body, but let's have it be you're being so if you've got that inner caterpillar this is you as a caterpillar What colors would you be? So bring your awareness into this Central core. And then let your awareness come into the Centre of the central core. And in this very central place in your body look for your own Essence. And this question. I'm about to ask is a question that we're asked so many times in our lives different ways. Who are you? Really take that question and who am I? And go deeper than the words go deeper than your name go deeper than your job go deeper than your passions go deeper than your causes go deeper than all the layers of your Earthly existence and its identities. And come all the way into an essence. And see if there is an answer to this question of who am I? That's an essence? And that Essence is right at the center of your central core. And this doesn't have to be an answer like a definitive definitely is probably a searching. What is your essence feel like? What makes you you and not me? What are the qualities of your unique Essence and as you consider this you might consider your energy? The deepest most true sensation of what you spread and how you radiate your eminence your vibe. But again, this is underneath all the layers of thinking and all the layers of identifying. It's something that is so so so deep. and so distinctly you and let's start to imagine that that Essence will grow. And right from the center of your central core that Essence is going to start to expand out omnidirectional e in all directions and every direction possible. And this Essence is going to grow and it's going to grow through your central core again, all directions to the sides up down all the diagonals. And that Essence is going to spread through your flesh through all of your tissues. It's going to spread into your skin. It's going to spread outside of your skin into a kind of Aura all the way around your body. Now as I'm imagining this I'm noticing this kind of question coming up for myself. I'm like, what is my Essence? And so it's this feeling of you know, when you observe the breath the breath changes when we observe the essence the essence all of a sudden becomes perhaps aware of itself. It's like, oh you're looking at me. Who who do you think I am? Who do you want me to be? And maybe the essence and the mind start to have a dialogue. And so if you resonate with that and you were doing this and you're like, oh no, what is my essence or anything like that? Let yourself just get as simple and as trusting as you possibly can and you might imagine your essence as light and that light could be any Hue of course light comes in lots of different shades and colors and Vibrance he's and so whatever light really kind of feels like your essence In This Moment. And again, we want to find like the purest most essential. Radiance like who are you underneath all of the stuff? It's an unwavering kind of quality. It's so true. And let's now call in the Sun as a guide. And so you can bring into your imagination any image you have of the Sun? So this collection of hydrogen and helium this ball of gases that is igniting. All of the time that is a flame and is constantly casting its Radiance and heat out in all directions omnidirectional e my astronomy is lost to me at the moment. I forget what's right at the center of the Sun but it's some kind of gravitational. First whatever is at the center of a star. Kind of pulling in space dust pulling in matter and then combustion radiating out. And let's place this image of the Sun at the center of your Center. And wherever that Center is, you know it. In my own body, I feel that Center kind of little bit between my heart and my belly button very deep to my spine. So in my imagination, I'm going to call the sun right into this part of my body. And I'm going to imagine this sensation of the Sun that has a gravitational force. So it's pulling in space dust. It's pulling in matter. It's pulling in gases, but then there's this metabolism right at the center of the Sun that is combustion. And as it pulls in material firms it up and then that burning creates this light and heat and that light and heat is cast out in every direction and that light and heat is my own essence. So now the imagination is that this very pure sense of essence is also calling in nourishment is calling and some kind of sustenance. and that might be like a Well, this is a very opposite image of a sudden but it just came to me like a whale sonar How Sound goes out and bounces against things and then that helps them to locate mixing metaphors a lot. But you might imagine how your kind of inner Sun the center of your Center is emitting out some kind of vibration that then calls in. Materials that calls in experiences it calls in. Who knows what and it comes right into your Center and then you burned through it and it becomes part of your Radiance part of what your kind of emitting out. And then let's really kind of increase this awareness of the gravity at the center of the Sun how it pulls towards itself. And let's call into our imagination all of the planets and of course many of the planets have their own moons their own satellites. We have comments. We have asteroids all kinds of stuff that orbit the Sun. And so you might imagine yourself at the center of your own center with this Radiance that attracts. And that pulls in other objects and those objects are now going to orbit you. And since this is our imagination, let's give some personality to those objects. These could be whatever you feel is orbiting you right now the consistent thoughts. You've been having recently the people who you're around right now the experiences that are very present. And so the imagination now is that there is The center of your own Center and this is your pure essence. And you're pure Essence is calling in towards itself what will feed it and it's burning through. It's like taking it all in and it's going yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, and then there's combustion. And then your light is extending out expanding out all around you. And these other things are being pulled into your orbit, and they're circling you. And these things these bodies these experiences these planets are pulled in by your Gravity by your Radiance by your light. And they're circling and they're circling and they have their own paths. They have their own trajectories. Sometimes they collide. And just notice as you kind of Imagine these orbits how your energy and how your essence is responding to them. Sometimes it might be that you get so kind of attentive to the imagination of someone else's orbit that that's the thing you're paying attention to more than your own Essence and I want to just invite kind of consistent coming back into like this Center the center of the center. This kind of pure true radiance. But that will also include the awareness of what's orbiting. And so now let's just kind of notice any any Sensations any ideas that come up in the space between your own Essence. And what's orbiting you sometimes we might feel a pull that pull could feel like attraction, but it could also feel like a deviation like you're pulling me out of my own Center planet is very heavy. It might feel really exciting. Here I am at the center emitting my own Essence and then there is all of this Gathering and accumulating around me. You could feel very powerful. The sensation I'd like to call in right now is a sensation of trust. And that trust sensation is knowing that each thing each body that's orbiting yours has its own center of gravity. It has its own trajectory. And how its pulled in as its own course, it's own directionality. And your job all of our jobs is to just be in the essence in the center of the center. What is the most true? So we want to kind of just trust in the orbital Paths of whatever is orbiting spiraling around us. And then we want to feel that the center of our own centers are vibrant their vital. They're radiant and they're expanding out in all directions. and in the awareness of other bodies that are orbiting we can just continue to trust Essence to trust what's being expressed from this center of our own Center. And then we'll shift perspective again, and let's take a big zoom out. like our Consciousness can be put into a telescope and it's going to zoom way way way way out and we'll see our sun our star where it is, which is in a corner of the Milky Way galaxy on one of its arms as Carl Sagan said, it's like a unimportant little Suburb in the kind of swirling energy of our Milky Way of our galaxy. And along this one arm of the Milky Way where our son is kind of right at the tip end there are thousands and thousands and millions of other Suns Burning Brightly and all of them have their own stuff that's orbiting around them. I forget how many arms the Milky Way has so let's just imagine a couple maybe four or five more than a couple. Several or a few and all of these arms have their own sons and clustered around the center of the Galaxy are more and more and more and more sentence. So there is an infinitude of son's all burning all emitting all radiating from their own centers with the orbits of other stuff spiraling around them. And if in that imagination there was a Oh, no, I'm not the only son or a feeling of but wait I'm way out in the corner of one arm of the Galaxy. I'm not even close to the center. Then just kind of notice that and see if you can just come back to this feeling of the center of your own center burning. There's this brightness. There's this magnetism. It is purely your you your own your own essence. Pure truth of your being submitting out. And let's combine that with the awareness of all of these other Sons. all purely emitting out and just like we imagined with whatever was in our own orbits. Let's imagine a sense of peace. and freedom So there's not so much of a concern about the other Sons whether their orbs are brighter colors were vibrant. They have more orbiting around them. We're just going to continue to come back into the radiance of our own Center the center of our own centers. He and then we'll come back to this first question. Who am I what is my own Essence? And this might be a moment to take a few notes to draw a picture if you're doing this practice with other people around maybe to pause and share. What did it feel like would it feel like to be at the center of your own Center? What are the qualities of your own essence or what is the kind of pure sensation of truth the truth of that essence? How does it feel to have stuff orbiting you? What did you notice? How does it feel to be in this kind of part of the Galaxy that is a little bit of a suburb? Not so noticeable noticeable suburb in the Milky Way. What does it feel to be part of an infinitude of son's one in mini? So feel free again to pause to take notes. And I'll transition now into a little bit of talking thinking about Leo and always, please feel free to move to express anything that I'm saying that Sparks creative offering from you like anything. I'm giving you that comes in and you're like, oh I want to move like the header. I want to draw or I want to write something down or I have an idea. I want to share it. You just do that. Just follow you. So Leo is the fifth sign of the zodiac and the Northern Hemisphere. It's the middle of summer in the southern hemisphere. It's the middle of winter Leo is the opposite sign of Aquarius. And of course, if you've heard me talk about the Zodiac before you may have you probably have heard me talk about polarities. So Leo and Aquarius are part of the same thing. They are not actually different one requires the other the middle of the summer requires the middle of the winter. The energy of Leo requires the energy of aquarius. So let's start with Leo Leo is ruled by the sun in the astrological language. And of course the sun has a really important place in our astrological symbolism being that it is the center of our solar system. And without the sun. We do not live without the sun. We don't have light. We don't have a warrant. We don't have food. Food and so the son therefore is the life Essence within the astrological chart. Your son is the center of your being it is what gives life Its Your vitality and without the sun. There aren't all the things that orbit you and the stuff that orbits you is your life. It is the context of your life your body all of your experiences all of your identities Etc. So Leo as a sign and everyone has Leo in their chart somewhere in their chart is associated to centrality. Where are we in our most centered space? And what is it that we are here to radiate and to admit what is the vibration or the resonance? That is totally unique to us each one of us. And just like the sun whatever our Radiance is has its own magnetism and gravitational pull. So what we Emit and how we shine is also an offering what we spread out into the space around us pulls in and invites participation. What? It's pulled in is not always what we want but it is potentially what will help us refine and know our own Essence. So when we think about the Sun or when we think about Leo within these ideas, it's important. I think very important to remember with astrology that it's not prescriptive. It's not this kind of, you know, cookbook. Nation or Duty that's given to you. Like this is your son. This is who you are. But this is more of a question around something that needs to be expressed. So that certain experiences can come into your orbit so that you can burn through them so that you can learn more about your own Essence and Emit and radiates that Essence uniquely. Now within the astrological lexicon within the symbolism of this language, of course, we have all the planets in our solar system and we're always discovering and naming new planets and the planets have their own characters. So for example, we have mercury the closest planet to the Sun. This is a character of communication and the mind how we think about ourselves how we identify then we have Venus. Venus is a symbol of love what feeds us what sustains us what's important to us? How do we get what we need Venus is our magnetism or attraction and also how we connect then we have the Earth. Of course can't forget the Earth the terrestrial play in our bodies. We have Mars our actions our desires what we're going to go for we have Jupiter. Or how we make meaning out of our Lives how we want to expand the stories. We tell about ourselves. We have Saturn our work our labor what we have to work through in order to become wise. You're honest our breakthroughs how we shift perspective how we awaken Neptune our dreams our intuition our creativity connection to Spirit sacred Pluto death the unknown With the exception of Pluto, which is no longer really classified technically as a planet. These are the planets in our classical solar system. But of course as I mentioned, there's all kinds of planets that are constantly being discovered. There's the moon which orbits the earth and we might think about all these planets as being part of what our Central Essence is pulling in. So the planets have their own characters they have their own needs. The need to communicate with Mercury the need to love and to sustain ourselves with Venus the need to take action to you know, prove ourselves in some way to exist with Mars. So we have these needs that are orbiting us and the needs bring in their own magnetism. They bring in their own pull their own gravity and there's a kind of idea that I like to play with. With when I sense into Leo and what I feel like the lesson of Leo is which is that we continue to come back to our own Essence as we investigate the needs of these other planets. So this is important within a chart there is a need for the sun to express itself. And that is one of the primary needs of the chart. But then all these other planets orbiting will help the sun refine its expression will help it learn about what its Essence is and wherever Leo is in the chart will be a place where we understand something about our own need to shine and really this is also Need to feel special in some way because the sun is really special. It's the special our solar system the special point of our solar system and I don't know specialness is an important factor. I think for feeling ourselves alive on Earth. Even if it's not special in some ways and this is part of what the polarity of Leo and Aquarius gives us. So the opposite sign of Leo is Aquarius and Aquarius is representative of the mini. So the people or the population Leo is the one the The special one Leo is a symbol of royalty and Aquarius is the mini the not special the body politic with Aquarius. We have qualities of objectivity and Detachment. So this sense of zooming out and seeing Oh, I'm one of an infinitude of son's even if in this life you are a celebrity and so many people know your name. And just think that you are so special the truth is you're not that special right? You might influence a lot of people and the Earth is old culture is common. Go things are important. They rise to importance and then they fade away and at some point everyone will forget your name at some point. Your influence will cease to be an influencer and whatever it was that made you will become part of Makes everything else Aquarius has to planetary rulers one of those rulers. The classical ruler is Saturn and Saturn as you may know is an energy that is authoritative as well as restricting. So with the way that Aquarius and Leo balance each other and play with each other one possibility. Is that the Aquarius Side kind of seeks to become an authority. There is a seeking of control and this feeling this kind of controlling Essence always again is relating with Leo and the need to control comes from a fairly strong ego. Right like there's this idea of maybe an arrogant royalty that Leo is often Associated, but that Royalty needs a lot of validation and it also needs its subjects to conform to whatever the ideas of the validation will look like and so as we navigate Leo and Aquarius in our own charts, we might just look to see where Aquarius is. And in this part of the chart we may have to deal with where we get uptight where we get rigid where we get controlling or where we seek validation for our own expression. Now another way to think about this in a more kind of exalted sense of Saturn is that Saturn is where we really work and we labor and we refine ourselves and we come Masters. We become masters of our own capacity in our own power. And so wherever Aquarius is for you is also the place where you can refine your offering where you can let challenges come in and teach you About your own Essence Leo is known for being a really generous sign and its generosity is to share itself to share its unique gifts and it's specialness. Your specialness is special. It's not the most special. So wherever Aquarius is a place where you can give gifts, but also a place to notice instincts towards competition. Aquarius is co ruled by you're honest you're honest is the modern ruler of Aquarius. And this is a planetary energy that is known for having breakthroughs and for also being like a an agent of change or a revolutionary. I think one of the most important lessons of Leo speaking from the perspective of a double Leo Is that when we stopped trying to fit in and please the group or get whatever validation we think we need to affirm our own specialness in essence when we just stopped trying to please the group then we get to do something that's really unique. That's really new. And so for me, I think of the quality of your honest and Aquarius as also being the place where we can really appreciate others we Appreciate their unique offerings, but we can also in a fairly detached way kind of remember that were one star in a sea of stars and no stars really that special so we can like let go of the idea of having to be the best or having to have everybody's approval or performance and just Express uniquely that this is a place to kind of play. How to play with group dynamics to play with feeling ourselves as part of a group but also different as a capacity for change within a group so look over your chart if you have your natal chart and you'll need to know your rising sign to know which houses signs are ruling but you'll want to look to see where Leo and Aquarius are in your chart because over the next 30 days as we move into Leo season. These energies are going to get really stimulated. So now I'm going to take a short break and I will be back in just a couple of seconds to tell you all about what's coming up in Leo season. Hey loves. I wanted to let you know about a special event. I have planned later this year and extend an invitation to all of you who are ready to dive deeper with embodied astrology in your lives from September 29th through October 2nd. I'll be offering an embodied astrology Retreat on the Long Beach, Peninsula and Southern, Washington. Just a few hours away from Portland and Seattle. This Retreat is called expansive alignment and during our three days and evenings will explore the opportunities and potentials for personal manifestation and creative power during Jupiter's Transit through Capricorn, which will be the entire year of 2020 everyday will use movement meditation art and writing to learn about astrology and your own chart The Retreat includes a delicious catered dinner and plenty of free time for long walks on the beach hot saunas and great. It takes place at the historic southwester Lodge queer run female-owned historic Lodge and vintage travel trailer Resort. That's right on the coast. This is sure to be a one-of-a-kind experience and I'm so looking forward to playing and learning with all of you. You can find more information at embodied astrology.com in the Play and Learn section under Live Events. Hey friends. Do you have something you want to say or information that you want to share? Have you thought about making? A podcast if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain first of all, it's free to use and you can use it on your phone or on your computer. There are built-in creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your device anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many other platforms the best thing or one of the best things I think about it is that you can make money from your pocket. Casts with no minimum listener ships. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Learn more about it and download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started. Thanks for hanging out for those announcements everyone. Let's get back into Leo season now so over these next 30 days. This is a time to meditate to reflect on your Radiance and how how you omit how you kind of what was the word? I used radiate your own Eminence your own vibration your own qualities in the directions of your life. It's a time to notice what you pull into your own orbit and Leo tends to be a very interested optimistic and enthusiastic sign it can pull a lot into its own orbit. And notice how what you're pulling in in terms of people in terms of experiences influences your Radiance where you get pulled by the orbits of whatever is circling around you and kind of just play with this meditation that we did of when you notice the orbit of something moving around you how you come back to the center of your own Center to this kind of very pure and true vibration of what it is that you are Emma. Mating out over the next 30 days is also a great time to pay attention to Aquarius and where Aquarius is in your chart your relationship with the group with the infinitude of other stars in your Galaxy and the other neighborhoods other other galaxies, of course, there are infinite amount of galaxies. We know this lots and lots of galaxies that are all spiraling around. Some other Center, so however you feel yourself. How do you also know yourself as one of many and keep this perspective Leo and Aquarius I think functions and it's in this Axis or this polarity can function with a lot of wisdom and in an exaltation when there's mutual appreciation Mutual celebration and not one son trying to be be the best son. So if that idea Sparks anything for you, where is Aquarius and your chart? Where are you kind of working with group dynamics? Also your sun sign. So if you're not a Leo person what kind of essence is it that you're here? Vibrating? What's that Hugh? What's that tone? And also if you are a Leo's person, where is the sun in your chart in what part of the chart? Are you seeking to emanate and radiate so over these next 30 days the son of course is Illuminating Leo but there's actually a lot going on in Leo with movement of the personal planets through the sign and this is special because not a lot has been going on in Leo for a while. It's been a couple of years since Jupiter was there about a year ago. We had the eclipses move through Leo, but it's really been some time since there. As much significant planetary movement through Leo so having all the personal planets grouped together in Leo as we do this Leo season is special. It's doesn't happen. Every year Mars is already in Leo Mars entered Leo on July 2nd and it will Transit through Leo until almost the end of the season till August 19th Mars and Leo brings heat and passion into self-expression. It gives us energy. Energy to do it Mars can also be a confrontational energy. And so we might feel like we have to assert ourselves or we might find that sometimes there's a particular violence or aggression and how we are asserting ourselves and this will be an important kind of energy to work with in terms of our own power our own desire and our own impact just kind of notice Mars is energy in this part of your chart. Venus enters Leo on July 28th and will Transit Leo pretty much for the duration of the Season until August 21st Venus again is the planet of love. It is a magnetic energy. So when we are in a place of feeling love not always the same as feeling loved I want to say but feeling love like feeling just kind of lit up or feeling happy. We're feeling sweet then we magnetize towards ourselves we draw in so when you're really like in a sweet space, that's when you're at your most magnetic and with Venus in Leo, we have Venus helping us to do the work that Leo needs to do which is to trust its own Essence to love its own Essence, but also to love and connect with others to draw in finally through the offering and the generosity of One's Own Radiance or love Mercury will re-enter Leo on August 11th, and it will Transit Leo until August 29th. And of course Mercury is re-entering Leo because it is currently in a retrograde and mercury has moved back into cancer. The retrograde ends on August 2nd. That's when Mercury will stay. Indirect and then it will move back into Leo on August 11th, and it will finish what's called its shadow. It will regain the territory that it lost or that it had to backtrack over at the beginning of its retrograde by August 15th. So reflect on this period of time which began at the summer solstice on June 21st, that's when Mercury entered its shadow. That means it started. To Traverse over the territory that it would return to and its retrograde Mercury is a planet that describes our mental attention and our minds like how were using language how are articulating our own experience to ourselves Mercury is the closest planet to the Sun and I think of its energy as the inner narration function, so whatever is right kind. The first one in around that Central orbit or that Central column, excuse me. And so it's the closest to our own Essence, but it's also interpreting our Essence and Mercury rules the hearing listening and the speaking functions. So this is part of our being that's doing translation work. We're noticing what's happening outside were interpreting that we're articulating our own. Perience and then we're sharing that so with Mercury retrograde there's been some kind of reflection process that is definitely an internal process. We're thinking about things Mercury started its retrograde in Leo. Again, Leo is a quality of self-expression specialness uniqueness. It rules the heart and it rules the spine in the body. So it's are most kind of central expression and vibration. Mercury has moved back into cancer. And if you listened to the last season embodied astrology for cancer season, you'll hear me talk a lot about cancer. So you might check that out. If you didn't listen to it. The episode is called All My Relations, but in summary cancer has a lot to do with our relations and all of our relations. How do we feel ourselves involved in a family and family has a really You know many different ways. We can interpret it. Of course our biological family is but also a sense of belonging just in the world cancer is a very much related to how we Bond and how we feel safe and secure and nourished and nurtured in the world. So over these last week's of Mercury retrograde were thinking about something that has to do with feelings that has to do with relationships that has to do with our sense of place and Now this is going to have something to do with what we want to express what we're here to offer what we're here to give as mercury finishes its retrograde and completes its shadow. So again, it turns direct August 2nd. It completes its shadow August 15th more clarity comes in at that point. We're like Ah, that's the way I want to express. Ah, this is the thing that's important to me. This is how I want to attend to these relationships to these ideas to myself. So that I can express in a more authentic way. So definitely take some notes really notice. What is percolating for you and August if you've been intentionally working with Mercury retrograde and that means that you haven't been initiating new projects during this time. You've really been using it as a space for reflection and pause then after August 15th. You are fully supported to move forward with whatever has stuck whatever you still want to move forward with. Over the course of Leo season, there's a lot of fire energy and throughout the season. There will be a grand fire Trine stimulated by planets moving through early Leo. So the sun will stimulate this trying then Venus than Mercury and the Trine is with Chiron and Aries and Jupiter in Sagittarius. And as I mentioned this trying is pretty active throughout most of the month. So Chiron in Aries if you listen back to Aries season so that's in March and I forget the name of that episode. But if you look for the episode that came out around the Spring Equinox or the March Equinox around the 21st. I talked a lot about Chiron and Aries in that episode and this is an energy that is fairly recent So within the last year or so Chiron has entered Aries, it's an almost nine year Transit Chiron has kind of All Ving integrating healing quality, but it works with our ancestral and intergenerational patterns around pain and Aries is a sign of the ego and of the self so part of what Chiron and Aries is bringing us is awareness of how the ego the constructed ego all of our identities, but also how we've been positioned our ancestry kind of literally what we've been set up for in terms of our privileges. Has in terms of Oppression in terms of trauma that we carry for our previous generations how all of this influences the ego the constructed self are bias and our sense of purpose. So this is who I am. This is what I'm here to do and Chiron and Aries is helping us to unpack a bunch of that Jupiter in Sagittarius is a year-long Transit and if you listen back to last year for Sagittarius season, Vegetarians season begins on November 21st. I also forget the name of that episode. I'll try and put these in the show notes going to make a note for myself show notes. So you can find links to all of those podcasts there. This is an energy that's helping us to understand what we believe in Jupiter's the ruler of Sagittarius. Both of these qualities influence us to make meaning out of our lives. Is to understand our beliefs to seek and question why we believe the things that we believe to look for new answers to kind of Reach For A New Perspective and Jupiter has been retrograde since April Jupiter will be turning direct during Leo season on August 11th, which is the same day that mercury turns direct and then Jupiter will be traveling in forward motion for the rest of its Transit. Truce adage which is ending in early December. So this brings a lot of energy into our beliefs and into our sense of purpose and the grand fire Trine that we get over the course of Leo season unites all of these energies. So a grand Trine is really flowing kind of natural momentum and the momentum here is the momentum of our personal expression, right Lee. Leo with all the personal planets Mercury Venus Mars and the sun they're kind of going how do I express myself? Who am I really what's my relationship to the group? How do I exist within the group as one part of a whole but how do I also give what I am here uniquely to give and the work that Chiron is doing an Aries is going let's unpack the ego as I express myself. What am I actually expressing? Far from and my expressing from a position that is unconscious from my kind of unconscious identification with my biases. This is for sure for sure. We're doing this. So we want to start to unpack these layers to peel them back to go. What is influencing my expression right. Now what's getting in the way of my most heartfelt and pure Essence? How do I resolve and he'll in myself so that I can be more centered and radiant and whatever it is that I'm giving and then Jupiter in Sagittarius is going what do I believe in what is worth expressing myself for? How do I know myself? What the fuck? Am I these big questions and Jupiter is helping us figure it out. There is a lot of things that are kind of spiraling in the world right now a lot of questions about How do we identify? How do we want to identify? What is the role or the purpose of each of us? How do we collectively unite to I don't know save humankind's make some kind of culture shift make some evolutionary shift. That's what I'm going for. But what does that mean in terms of beliefs? What do we believe in? What do we want to put our energy towards? So as a lot of fire throughout the season and fire continues He's to aspect earth and water throughout the month. So we have your honest in Taurus. You're honest will also be turning retrograde on August 11th, which is the same day. Jupiter turns direct and Mercury turns direct. So we've got this kind of Shifting really like Earth and life changing energy. A lot of people are in a lot of change and you're honest and tourists as part of this circumstances are changing resources are changing our Is our change in and throughout the month as planets enter into early Leo. They will be squaring your honest in Taurus and provoking these changes or bringing frustration in that creates a necessity for change. So there's going to be some friction between these signs. We also have Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn all of the personal planets moving through Leo will be aspect in Capricorn through an in t' this is a 150 degree aspect. It is not comfortable Saturn and Pluto have a kind of Reckoning quality to it and in they're forming conjunction. They are asking questions about what is important and what is actually possible and how do you how do we exist in as much integrity and sustainability as we possibly can this uncomfortable aspects to Leo? A fairly uncomfortable question where we have to really bring some perspective into our own Radiance. What am I emitting? What is my vibe? What am I putting out into the world? How do I make what I put out into the world sustainable vibrant a force of love. These are the exalted qualities of Leo and the conversation with Capricorn is asking us to get real we need to examine In the way we take up space. This is a big one for Leo. Do I think I'm the only son in the Galaxy my taking up all the space. How do I allow for space of others? How do I allow a collective intelligence but Saturn and Pluto are also asking us to use our gifts and to manifest clearly what is aligned with our own deep intention. And so we're also asking what am I here to do? What is my true? That's how do I commit to that? How do I align with it? There's also an aspect with Neptune in Pisces Pisces is also in conjunction to Leo that means that it's an uncomfortable aspect and Pisces and Neptune asked us to become empathic to use our intuition and also to release the self Pisces and Neptune both speak to the non self and the non self is where we are all one. We're we're all made of the same stuff where there's no separation and part of the lesson that Leo needs to learn is that it doesn't exist in a vacuum that the way that it emits energy is part of a collective whole and when it emits energy that is loving that Collective whole increases its love vibration when it emits energy that is harmful. Then the self gets harmed. So these aspects are happening throughout the month. You're honest in Taurus Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn and Neptune in Pisces all aspecting with Leo and over the course of these next 30 days. We are really pushed to feel into our own fire and to research how we can ground the fire how the fire needs to change us to change our form to change our motivations how we Put our fire to use how we can make our fire more empathic more perceptive more intuitive more connected how we can increase the awareness of our own fire and what it is that we're emitting and how we can really make our fire and are offering efficient. Like what is it that we are here to do. So, let's go just to kind of offer some like pluses and minuses of The Leo vibration so that we can all try and feel these in ourselves and this is not an exhaustive list at all. But here are just a couple of ideas some Basics Leo in its detriment when it's not functioning well is self-centered it takes up a lot of space. It is arrogant and assuming that means it assumes that other people are just as interested and what's going on for it as it is interested in what's going on for it and it Miss their participation with whatever said it Center, it can be a real bully and a pushy kind of energy. Sometimes this is like a cheerleading thing but a lot of times it can just like not notice another vibration and like seek to influence or seek to push without being relational. This is part of Leo's characteristic as a salesperson like trying to get everybody on board. Trying to sell something but doing it from a place of ego again rather than a place of real authenticity or perspective Leo can definitely be a diva. So this kind of Radiance and magnetism can be really dramatic and it can need validation a lot. And so this Diva quality can create all kinds of circumstances to get attention and Leo is the the sine of Loyalty and a lot of royalty is pretty divorced from what's Happening for the people and so again, there can be this kind of arrogance or ignorance of what's going on elsewhere and it's exaltation in its positive attributes. Leo is warm. It's the sun it emits warmth and love and it's generous. It's constantly giving and Leo gives because it's joyful. and joy and enthusiasm are contagious and it's joyful and it's enthusiastic because it's playful It's The Sign of the kind of childlike energy when we play when we're authentic when we're not trying to be anything that we're not we can be generous we can kind of share that enthusiasm with others Leo is a sign that of course the Sun the heart the spine has Very Central kind of quality to it. And so with the centrality Leo really needs to love itself so that it can exist as one star in a multitude of stars, but the self love becomes a gravitational force and this is not a narcissism. This is just kind of piece like I know what my on Essences I'm radiating this Essence. I trust this Essence. This is what I'm here to give I'm one star in a Hood of stars but this self-love creates a calmness and it becomes a supporting affirming quality for other stars. So Leo's cheerleading capacity can actually be such a beautiful aspect because Leo can do such a good job of appreciating others and really celebrating them and being super enthusiastic this optimism that Leo has I relate very much to the fool archetype of Kind of playing along with life and what comes up is always an opportunity and we're not going to get too scared or concerned about all the possible problems, but we're just going to keep on going on and making the best of what we get. The centrality of Leo is such a positive vibration. It can bring a lot of people together. My partner is mother is also a double Leo and I just want to take a A moment to appreciate how she kind of exists at the center of her family and Leo really has this quality that wants to bring people together and celebrate and have warmth and have love and play. Finally Leo can use it's Charisma its unique expression. It's authentic offering for service to give voice to whatever it feels as important, but when it lends its energy to the people When this balance between Leo and Aquarius is strong and vital and healthy, then it can use its Charisma and its expression to serve and this is where the archetype of royalty is in exaltation of a kind of Royal presence that is totally devoted to whatever it is that has gathered around it. So as you move through Leo season just kind of consider how these qualities show up for you again. It might be really interesting to notice where the These qualities live in your chart and what areas of life they're influencing use the meditation and the somatic tools that I offered at the beginning if they were helpful to check in with your inner Radiance your own Essence. What kind of vibe you're kind of glowing or growing around you listen to your heart like really try and listen deeply deeply deeply to your heart and your most Central truth seek. To hold and love and nourish your personal light and whatever that light is whatever that Essence is get curious about how it can expand and how it becomes a kind of gravitational force to draw in whatever it is that you're drawing in and then just play with trust play with trusting whatever is orbiting around you not needing to control it not eating to manage it. Not needing to whatever the things you do and trusting your own vibration trusting your own resonance trusting all the other stars. And yeah, I am wishing you all the best in your Leo season. I want to definitely say listen to your audio horoscopes for Leo season. I'm going to go through many of the aspects that I mentioned specific to your sign or to your rising sign give you some more information there. And then I also want to give you a heads up for the full moon and a in Aquarius which is on August 15 or August 16th. It's escaping me at the moment. I'll be doing a Q&A and so Aquarius again as the sign of the people. I really want to play a little bit more with participation and I've had some requests to do a QA. So I will be doing that on the full moon and that episode. It will take in your question. So if you'd like to submit questions or prompts for me to talk about you can do that with your voice on anchor FM. So I'll include the notes or the link in the show notes again for how to use submit a question with your voice. You can also write to me on email Renee at embodied astrology.com. Or you can send me a message on Instagram and I'll be posting on Instagram with this invitation as Also, if you want to be part of that QA, if you've got things you want to hear me talk about or if you want to offer your voice to that episode. Please do and last little note. Of course, you can always find out more about astrology through my perspective. If you want by following me on Instagram at embodied astrology and by becoming a subscriber and when you subscribe you support and sustain this work, I so value you your Descriptions are by donation. You can donate at any amount per month. Just the consistency is super super helpful for me and with your subscription you get my month ahead planetary offerings and lots of discounts on all the things that I put out. So check that out and thank you so much for listening. I'm wishing you all the best in this Leo season and I'll be checking back in with you at the new. And the full moon the full moon again with this QA and the new moon with some kind of ritual to really Mark and celebrate this Leo energy in you. Thanks everyone. Bye for now. And the full moon the full moon again with this QA and the new moon with some kind of ritual to really Mark and celebrate this Leo energy in you. Thanks everyone. Bye for now.

In this episode: Introductions and special announcements  An embodied exploration and imagination meditation for Leo and its ruling planet (which is a star), the Sun! The astrological associations of Leo and its opposite sign Cancer. I talk about body rulerships, behaviors, experiences, and how to work with these two signs (especially Leo) in your chart. A look ahead at Leo Season’s most dramatic astrology: all the personal planets will transit Leo, Mercury’s retrograde will end, Jupiter stations direct, Uranus stations retrograde and there’s a grand trine in fire all month! The positives and negatives for Leo and how to pay attention to the Leo in you. Plus I share some suggestions for working with the energy of this season. Learn more about LEO FOR YOU by listening to your month-ahead horoscopes. Look for the audio horoscope for your sign, for Leo Season on your favorite listening platform. SUBMIT A QUESTION for next month's Q&A (questions due by August 13) Check out my recent SPECIAL EPISODES! Astrology is Serious Business - A look at Saturn, Capricorn, Eclipses, Saturn Return and the Exciting Astrology of 2020 with Renee Sills and Embodied Astrology https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/episodes/Astrology-is-Serious-Business---A-look-at-Saturn--Capricorn--Eclipses--Saturn-Return-and-the-Exciting-Astrology-of-2020-with-Renee-Sills-and-Embodied-Astrology-e4m8hg The Path from Trauma: Discussions on Wellness with T. Aisha Edwards: https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/episodes/The-Path-from-Trauma-Discussions-on-Wellness-with-T--Aisha-Edwards-e4hugs Mentions in this episode: Chiron in Aries episode: https://www.embodiedastrology.com/ea-astro-updates/2019/3/20/were-all-in-it-together-astrology-for-the-equinox-full-moon-in-libra-amp-aries-season Jupiter in Sagittarius episode: https://www.embodiedastrology.com/ea-astro-updates/2018/12/6/newmoon-sagittarius-december-2018 All of your donations and contributions support this work to continue! Instagram: @embodiedastrology Facebook: Embodied Astrology Cover image by Janna Dorothy (jannadorothy.com) --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/message

Remember when you were a little kid in one of the adults in your life would come to you and say hey want to go for a walk or maybe they would say something like why don't we go grab a Coke and have a chat and from the time they asked that until the time you went on that terrible are in your stomach would be in knots because you know, what they were really saying is I think we need to have a talk. If you were lucky those conversations were OK at least because you knew whatever hard stuff they had to say they were able to say it with love. So this is me saying hey, we need to talk about some hard stuff and we need to do it with love. That is what this podcast is about. Hi, I'm Doug Harrison, and we need to talk. Welcome to the heartburn. Have you ever felt that you're the only kid on the Block without your own podcast? Well, it used to be mostly just the two of us. But since you're here listening to the heartburn that pretty much brings it down to just you but fear not I have a cure for your podcast ND just do what I did and download the anchor app for iPhone or Android for free or go to Anchor dot f m for free and you'll have everything you need to both create and publish your own podcast right from your phone or your computer is super. He my personal biggest fear with this whole thing was about all the work that it was going to take just to find our host and then get Distributors and then manage update the dock and anchor does all that for you so that you can be on Spotify Apple podcast Stitcher and handfuls of other podcasters types without having to deal with each distributor separately. It helps so much. They even have these little integrated sponsorships like the one you're listening to right now that help make money from your podcast right away with no minimum amount of listeners. So let go of your fears throw off those chains that bind you join the rest of civilization clear your throat and download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m for the only thing that you're going to need to launch your own sweet sweet podcast. All that's missing is your voice. I have good news everybody. I'm actually going to be giving away a t-shirt a tote bag a mug actually an item of your choice anywhere from the heartburn podcast collection or from Doug Thy Neighbor. The store on Etsy where you can go to just at c.com / shop / Doug, like neighbor all you have to review any review that you give just Puttin a little bit information. Click a star and I'm going to be choosing one randomly selected not based on your review randomly selected review each week through August and into September and you'll receive one item again, either from the heartburn podcast collection or from the Doug like neighbor's door, so Don't forget to review that's all you got to do. And then I will click on it and be in touch with you and we will send those off to the winners, but Jack have to review to do it.

Welcome to The Heart Burn with Doug Harrison If you have ever been reading a post on social media and thought, “Actually it’s way more complex than that,” or if you found yourself disappointed with what the voices on both sides of an argument seem to be shouting, then you know at least a sliver of what brought this podcast in to being. I have become quite certain that there is a lot of stuff meant to make us angry, furious and even red in the face. I also think it seems we are even expected to channel that anger into furthering the hopes and agenda of people already in position, ...that benefit them well enough. Meanwhile what I know about us is that the stuff that makes our faces really hot is usually entirely different than the stuff that makes our hearts really burn. Its the stuff that makes hearts burn that interests me. I don’t believe that deep down we are all the same or that somehow we basically agree. What makes us most interesting in either our differences or our similarities is that whatever people are passionate about they are passionate about for reasons. I also think that engaging people at the level of their passion and the reasons that go with it can serve all of us to figure out what makes our own hearts burn, and what we might be able to do to become good at being human. Maybe we just end up asking what humans are for...and what it means to be a good one. I don’t intend to try to answer that question here as much as make you want to do your best to be the best human you can imagine, and to imagine being a better human than you can right now. I promise I’ll be right alongside you on that journey- and that alone makes this whole thing more interesting than most of what one can download. In one way this is a very strange kind of reality show, about one guy doing his best to be a god human, and learning to love other humans as much as possible along the way. Don’t be afraid, and don’t miss out on this journey --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Okay, some people would say you have brass balls. Some people would say you've lost your mind in that point, right? So did you know immediately that that was the right decision for you and or did it take a while to convince yourself? Okay. I am not sure if this is the right path. It was a little bit more circuitous than that. Okay, I did start off in New York, but I was on Wall Street first. Yep, and my husband and I were at Ground Zero for 9/11 and we were 21 at the time and so that changed my perspective on how I wanted to spend my career and the waking hours of my life, but it took me about 10 years to figure out how to weave. How do we meaning into my work and how to find work that could become? A life's work not a job. So it was Wall Street. It was business school. It was Starbucks in Asia. And then it was also working with Scientists from Berkeley sustainability thought leaders and when I had acute dermatitis and I started working with them and learning about ingredients supply chain, the environmental social health impact of personal care. I started realizing one no matter no matter what I do with my face. It may not heal. That's what the doctor said. To now I'm concerned about the ingredients and putting on my skin and now I'm 31, and I'm thinking about having a child and now I'm familiar with concepts of bioaccumulation passing over things that are in my body chemicals 5 pounds a year. I'm absorbing passing that over to my child and I just woke up one day in San Francisco where I was living at that point and said I choose happiness and I quit so I didn't quit with the intention of starting a company, but I did quit with the knowledge that I'm responsible for my own happiness and It's kind of now or never right? So then we then you just sort of figure it out. So for people that might not know what a cute dermatitis is. Can you kind of explain what that is? Sure. Your skin is a barrier organ and it's meant to keep things in and it's meant to keep things out and it has a very very delicate balance in order to do that. When you disturb the balance of your skin and you start disrupting the barrier function of your skin, its ability to keep germs and bacteria and viruses and pollution out of your body it actually Art's becoming highly highly irritated and inflamed and then it becomes it's a type of disease. And so I basically disease to my skin. Wow. Yeah, I but do you I mean, I'm just I don't know that much about it. And I think I'll probably a lot of our listeners are curious to like it. Was it like yeah, but what's it like who's three years and it was very very painful. It was bleeding blistering and scaling on my entire face including my lips and my eyelids I had to use oral and topical steroids and antibiotics to keep it under control. And if I use any normal stuff on my skin or I pulled back on the medicine it would flare up. So there's actually a really great article that one of our Beauty editor friends Jessica has written she was dealing with a dermatitis as well. And she was put on topical and oral steroids and she actually talked about it on Instagram today and saying that like the if she wanted a day without putting the steroids on letters back it would like 10 times worse. Yes, which is insane and I feel like to be so dependent. Don't on it and there's really no like all the dermatologist that she spoke with trying to help. It's like they pushed steroids on her but then didn't have an option for her. Well, there's no off-ramp. Yeah. And in the meantime, I'm Thing by getting pregnant and you really shouldn't be loading your body with these you should be loading of your body with anything when you're pregnant. Yeah, and so then I got really scared of like what am I supposed to do? And then at the same time I was burned out of the corporate world. I'd work for big companies medium-sized companies tiny company. So it's like the three little bears and it just didn't feel quite right and I didn't know why. And so I knew I had to forge my own path and started going so you obviously went to business school. Did you ever imagine that you would one day run your own business? Nope never was never the goal never the intention. Nope, but I guess like for me like what gave you the courage to decide? Okay. This is something that I would like to do because I feel like especially at that point in your life when you're thinking about starting a family and going through all of this with your skin as well. Well, like I feel like you probably thought there's bigger fish to fry here then like trying to figure out my career path. Yeah, right or was it not like that at all? It wasn't it wasn't I think that we're very similar. I think we're the kind of women who are going to throw ourselves into our work no matter what we choose to do and I knew that I wasn't fighting a lot of meaning in my work, but I was working very hard and we spend most of the waking hours of her life working. And so I knew that if I didn't find meaning in my work, I Feel that I had as much meaning my life as I could so when I realized I wasn't happy it was it was at that point just like a matter of simple math. If I keep doing what I don't believe in there's a 100% chance. I'll still be unhappy if I find something that I love there's a 50% chance that I'll be unhappy if it fails and so on one hand stick with what you're doing a hundred percent chance of being unhappy try something new 50% chance, you know this Statistics were just try something new. Yeah, the odds are better and that way. I think that's a really great way to even think about it. Especially when it comes to decision making we can probably go through all the options that are headed thousand times. But if you put it in that perspective, I think that makes it actually an easier decision to make it is I do sorry Irene. Oh back to the dermatitis. Yeah, really think people are going to resonate what does it is very common among people. So obviously we're looking at your face and you are gorgeous obviously and your skin is truly like So pure and so beautiful. So I'm sure if you had shown someone a photo of you back then people be like get right. That's not the same person. What like how did you get to where like your skin is today? And how long did it take? Yeah, so three years of steroids and antibiotics and it was in it was in a precarious balance meaning if I took all the medicine it was under control and some people who know me back then were like I had no idea you had the the dermatitis and I was like, well if you looked in my bathroom cabinet got then the second I stopped them in. Isn't it flares back even worse? And so the doctors had said this is pretty much a permanent condition. And the only thing I could use on my face at that point was Aquaphor you guys use that? Yeah, it's great. But it does leave you very greasy. And even you know, you can't wear makeup with aqua for makeup is irritating my skin at that point anyways, and so when I used to fly through Asia for Starbucks, I would fly through Japan and I would get these voting papers just on my layovers and they're the only bonding papers. I found I didn't leave like Bits of Paper on your skin and didn't like leave powder. Or mineral oil on your face. So I used to buy them by the stacks and then when I wasn't working for Starbucks anymore, I couldn't find them here in the US. So I called my old friend to Moco from Starbucks and I was like, I can't find these and she said, oh they're beating papers from Goldie of companies when I was like, what are you talking about? Yeah. He said they're from Gold Leaf companies when we think something is special in Japan will put gold on it gold beef but to turn golden to Goldie if you have to hammer it and so it's hammering paper and I was like, I have no idea what you're saying, and I'm not from Japan. I'm not Japanese and Taiwanese-american but there's something about this story that I just found. So enchanting that I ended up in Kyoto and it was there that I ended up finding the gold leaf Artisans and I was like is it true that this is the byproduct of the gold leaf eating process these papers and they said yes, of course, I was like, I don't understand how the byproduct of the gold he's hammering process becomes one of the first Beauty care items ever. Yeah, and they said you're going to have to ask either gay sure Kabuki actor because they're the ones who figured it out and they used to come by we're throwing them waned and grab them. Oh wow. And I was like a geisha real and then yeah, and so the introduced me to one and then when I was interviewing this Geisha, I wasn't looking to do the stage makeup. Yeah, but I was curious because I knew if they're around 3 400 years, they predate the petrochemical industry. And so what they're doing must there must be something to it. Yeah, and so I was asking them about their makeup and the first case I met said well you can go here to this little place where we get our makeup from and so my translator you go went. With me and while I was in there these other Geisha were flitting in and out picking up their stuff and they're very fast and they had no makeup on and their skin was glorious. And so I would watch them surreptitiously and if they grabbed a camellia oil, I would grab a camellia oil if they grabbed a rice powder, I would grab a rice powder. And so I filled up my basket with their things and you go did her best to write down on a Post-It for me what they were doing and I took it home and I use half of it wrong, but eight weeks later my skin Wow, eight weeks to months. Holy and that was after three years of medicine. And so then I started running out of things and I try to find it in Japan Town in San Francisco Koreatown Chinatown eBay. I went to traditional Chinese medicine places because I recognize some of the ingredients from TCM couldn't find it anywhere. And so that I went back to Tokyo and I went to the department stores all the Japanese brands there and nobody knew what I was talking about. So then I had really no. Because these are things that are out of fashion. Yeah, he's Grandma did. Okay got it. So then I had to go back to Kyoto and I was like, okay starting from scratch. What is this? And where did those come from? So that's how that all happened. That's okay. I just wild that is absolutely wild but I think gives you hope to people that are dealing with absolutely it's not permanent. Yeah, and but at the time it's crazy that you thought that was it was going to be a lifelong condition. You just had to deal with and had to take steroids with absolutely unbelievable. Obviously you you know launch Tasha and have just experienced tremendous there and moving your hand in the air, huh? Emphasize how much how successful Tata has been, you know since launching in 2009, right? I started the research in 2008. Oh to okay. So wow 2008 seizing. Obviously the beauty industry is very saturated. There's a lot of companies trying to you know do their own Thing trying to imitate you guys. Why do you think your company has risen above and experienced such success. I mean were the overnight success story that took 10 or 11 years, right? So a lot of it is is you learn as you go. We're very very old school. We put all of our time and our effort and our money into the formulas, which is why we have our own R&D center with our own scientists in Japan make everything from scratch in Japan and I think it's hard to be Japanese quality and then also customers Yes, we have our own team in touch a called team love and their only job is to make people feel loved. And if you send a question, you make a comment, you need to switch something out. You don't know to use you have an entire team of people who their only job is to make sure that anything that you need were there for you. And those those are the two most important parts of I think building anything with lasting is do you love your product you love your customer and then everything else works out and I'm an amazing team. I would say also on that note like similar to loving the customer building. Relationships because I remember this Daniel Martin told us the story about how you guys were one of the first Brands to reach out to him and send him product to send him the blotting papers and he was like, so excited to even be considered. Obviously. This was like earlier on in his career, but now you guys have an amazing relationship and I will say this to like leaving popsugar. I like told Vicky a month before I left like, okay. I just want you to know I'm leaving. I don't know if I'll ever see you again so excited for you and she was so thoughtful and so kind and was You have helped us throughout the years like what can I do to help you and I think that truly is just inherent in who Tasha is a brand and like totally comes from the top down. And I mean if anyone if you guys have ordered a touch of product before, you know that they are so beautifully wrapped. Everything comes with a handwritten note you're soaked and what do you watch our guys is stories. I mean, you're still even in the factory packing these packages and your daughter writing notes and it's just like It really is like the thought and love is in there and you just feel it and you can see it and I mean, it's incredible that would say still even do that. Like you don't have time to do that being still make time for it. You know, that's the single most important thing if I could get out of all of my meetings and just go be in the warehouse or be with her clients or be with my scientist all day and be such a happy happy lady because that's where the magic happens. You know, that's what Patrick would say if I could just get out of all of my meeting happiness would also like you still hand. To write notes to us and I'm like you'd like absolutely don't are you gonna respond to our like diems like it's just like you really are the real deal. It's the question that you asked initially. They how did how did we get to where we have we've always had these little angels around us and you've been our Angels Daniel Martin's been an angel Yolanda. Matt has been an angel Matthew van leeuwen. We've been blessed with abundance of kindness and generosity from people and it's an honor to get to take care of someone's skin because it goes into their And it's their their face to the world and so every day when I wake up I meditate and I say thank you for the honor of getting to be with such amazing people like you. Yeah, even your guys is so whoever is running your social currently whenever you tag Tasha they will they say like, you know, it is an honor to be part of your skin care routine. It's an honor to be part of your day. I was like not a result by There is a new launch its here. I'm session. It's the serum stick. Okay, we're holding it in our hands right now. We're looking at it. It's beautiful. It's the same shade as like The Dewy moisturizer The Dewy skin. Mist and I want to know how is this different than the other serums that you guys currently offer and why a stiff plastic. So the reason it's a stick as Cuz it's so concentrated. Okay, it's a Japanese lemon balm extract which helps support your Skin's natural collagen production as well as 80% highly purified squalane and so is an ingredient that Kirby and I are slowly but surely fallen in love with Vicki. We literally did an episode. It was like ingredients that we are kind of iffy on and one of them was squalane, but then we went through all of our favorite products and all of them have squalane so it came down to one product one. Ah duct and the formulation of it is what turns us off God, but now we're fans now our fans so highly highly purified squalane. The reason that it's so wonderful is when you're a baby thirteen percent of your skin is crawling what and it's remember how we talked about skin is a barrier organ. Yeah. It's supposed to keep things in and keep things out that lipid protection on your skin is what's keeping the moisture in and the irritation stuff out and you start losing that as you age and so when you have something like a squalane, which is very bios, Later, what's in your skin and 80% not just migi poop. But like the whole darn damn thing. Plus these amazing Botanicals like a Japanese lemon balm with the collagen support what you get is something super super intensive. And the reason we put it in Stick form. Is that sometimes you want all over care, but sometimes you want really really targeted care and so if you can see on my neck right here see this, uh-huh. This is a hive and it's because I still get eggs Emma. Oh and so when you You if I was to take a serum and put on my eggs, my because a Serum is a liquid that you massage it in, but I can't really hit that little spot because then once I massage it sort of moved around everywhere and there's just like a micrometer of product formula on the area the patch that I need when you have it in Stick form. I can Target it and concentrate it and it's not going to budge and it doesn't have any water in the formula. And so it's not going to evaporate or have to get like massage whenever elsewhere. It's just Target. It's not going to move all day long, right? Amazing. Yeah, okay. So I have a question. So then after you use that on maybe this Hive patch do you clean it somehow? Well, this is clean dry skin. And so you can apply it like a serum. So on clean dry skin, you can do it anywhere and then also after you put on makeup if your makeup ever gets dry or cakey you can put it right on and from a hygiene perspective. You don't have to worry about it because since it doesn't contain water, it can't grow anything great God it's when it's when you have water in a formula that things naturally. Grow in water, but this isn't a water freeform. Okay, so it's like it's a spot treatment essentially in serum form. It's an intensive Spot Treatment. That's exactly what it is. And then so whether you have she's rubbing but you don't want to use powders because they can kind of get a little cakey. I keep hitting my microphones are so excited here. It's just everywhere. So it's an obsession and the Finish is really beautiful. We're looking at her natural light because it's like your natural skin. Yeah. So then how do you incorporate that into your routine in besides a life? Yes, exactly besides, you know touching yourself up or whatever using it on spot. Yeah. So the first way that I use it, especially in the winters were going into dryer seasons is clean dry skin before I put on my moisturizer I use it like a serum all over. Yep, and then also if I ever have like lighter-weight moisturizers in the winter. You sort of want to switch if you use this first, it's naturally going to make everything richer. Yeah. And so you don't you might be able to just continue using your lighter weight moisturizer because you're getting get this extra layer of moisturization. So there's that and then if you do wear makeup or not over the course of the day any time you need touch-ups, then you can pop it right back on over I would say as long as you don't bake you can pop right out. If you do the full bake known to this got it has its you guys it's like a liquid. I just have to say when I was with Kirby was supposed to be there at the Victoria Beckham launch for her new moisturizer. Oh, yeah. She didn't know what baking was and so she asked the audience what baking was and I like I don't bake so I didn't want to speak to it and Stephanie Montes had to like speak up and be like baking it was really funny. Because I was pregnant when we were formulating. So even if you have a little patch or if you're skiing and you get dry cheeks or you know little kids like my daughter she had a cold and then you know, when you're cold heels and you're looking at the little the dry skin, I guess nose and allergies anywhere. You just pop it right back on and it's going to instantly plump it up and make it soft. I love you we and glow it. Yeah, it looks amazing and you it's travel friendly. So I think sometimes with stick products they can be really chubby and like short. Yes, make sense - yeah, and so they're hard to travel with like you can't throw this in your you can't throw it in your purse that you can throw this in your purse. It's very sure it's like dainty. It's long but it gives you a good amount of product like it's big definitely bigger than a lipstick if you guys can visualize this you can also Google it but it lasts a really long time. Yeah. I really had that. I love like it under my eyes to because as I get older, I'm 41 now and when you see all your friends are going out and put it on underneath concealer or the Pearl which is what I like to do Bray Wyatt's love. It won't it won't settle great because it can't evaporate and dry down because right water in the formula. I'm going to do this. I need to put on makeup for the event tonight. Yeah, I'll show you before and after later on so you can see the difference. Yes. Okay, so back to Year that was 2019 a lot has happened for you to you and your company obviously has your role changed at all since you launched Chacha has my role changed at all. Yes. Yes. It has when you first start out a company and I know you guys are probably going through this to you spend a lot of time developing strategies and thinking about the product and thinking about your customer. And that's that's my happy place. And then as your company grows you start as a CEO especially needing to focus a lot of time on infrastructure building or scaling. So that includes fundraising H RIT legal real estate and they're all things that are really important to build a meaningful sustainable company, but for me personally, it also meant not having as much time to focus on formulas and customers and when we To a certain size about a year ago. I realized my joy is the formulas and the customers and I would like to dedicate all my time to that and spending as much time as I possibly can in Japan because Japan heals my skin it heals my soul and I love sharing that with people and so we brought in an amazing CEO about a year ago and he runs the day-to-day of the operations of the company along with my husband and a great CEO and I try to spend a lot of my time now doing What I did in the very beginning which is formulas in customer service. My love treasure hunting. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. I want to bring up room to read because I don't think a lot of customers actually realized that when they're making a Tasha purchase. It's a charitable one. So do you want to describe room to read and what that means where you customers dollars are going. Yeah. I'm so glad that you brought that up. Thank you yours. So we were talking the very beginning about making a change and mean And when I thought about going into the beauty industry, I was really torn on one hand. I thought it would be great to offer women who are interested in clean who are interested in formulas that have withstood the test of time and for something that's really really healing. I think women need that I needed it but on the flip side as a woman who's been on the recipient of messaging from the beauty industry. I thought do I really want to participate in an industry that can sometimes make people feel less than and I was also then pregnant. My daughter and I thought a lot about do I want when she comes into this world to feel that she's defined by her bone structure or the texture of her skin or the shade of her skin know and if I've learned anything from my time in Japan. It's that beauty begins in the heart the mind and any wonderful things that have happened to me in my life started because I have a great education and so I'm really inspired by Tom's shoes and other brands like that that have a giving model. That's very very clear and direct and Parent so we decided to partner with room to read their one of the leading organizations globally in children's education and they have a special fund for girls because girls are often the last in line to get a chance to go to school and every single purchase helps to fund girls education and thanks to friends like you we crossed over three and a half million days of school recently will be formally days of school by next spring. Oh my God by April maybe a few months. Okay, we want to know what skincare product do you think people misuse the most? Oh, I think the most misunderstood and underrated is the essence I didn't believe in essence has I have worked for beauty care company in the past where the essence was a big deal. I saw the clinical data. I saw everything and I was like, it's not real. And so when we studied the traditional Japanese Beauty rituals, I did see the constant reference to Beauty Waters, which was this this step on clean dry skin before your serums or creams and I always told my scientist. I'm not interested in making that and my science is always said in essence is critical. It's even more critical than a moisturizer and I was like, I don't believe in it. I started a company the day that I gave birth. I'm not going to tell somebody to do one extra step that they don't need to do it's against my religion and so know And the main ingredient that's in everything in our line is a complex of green tea rice and seaweed from Japan that we ferment twice and I when we were formulating I always like to try raw materials alone and then in Formula, so I have this bottle this like golden liquid and I put it on my clean dry skin. I go to sleep. I wake up the next morning and my skin is glorious and I do it for a week and my skin is glorious. And so I reached out to my scientists and I like to go asan. Why does my skin look so amazing and I was like this hottest A3 is incredible and I said I wish we could just sell it like this like a bottle of it instead of just having it as the base of all of our other formulas and he said you can it would be called a Essence and I was like, that's why you're so smart. And then we did the clinical studies and we found that in fact in you put it on it increases the hydration of your skin by a hundred forty eight percent instantly measurably. Yeah, and so you get this instant Plumping, but then it also creates these aquaporin channels. So that anything that you put on afterwards Serum and cream and he mask the active ingredients in those can go deeper into the skin much much much deeper than if you didn't and so then I realized it was a step that I was missing all my life and now I can't live without I feel like I feel like I just learned at the age of 38 that you're supposed to floss or something. Nothing like this cold. Very basic steps that everyone in Asia had been doing for so long a Japanese and Korean people. Yeah, totally. I think that's probably the question. And one of our top questions because we did break down like how to properly apply your skincare. So we went through the order and we brought up Essences and people were like, what are ya talkin people confuse it with toner. Yeah right toners like okay, like which one is which why do I need an Essence and we still get diem xuong? Yeah recently. We got one thing like I'm still confused about Essences. So I think you're right. I think that it's underrated and underused and I think that if people would start incorporating it and think Of it more as like a standard to their beauty routine and not just an extra the simple single most important piece. I would say totally an Essence is supposed to give to the skin to replenish and at owners meant to take away, right? The only thing that I've explained people that really stuck is have have you ever made a cake and then poured a syrup on the cake before you put on the icing? No. You've not lived because it goes into. Yeah. It's into the cake. Yeah, so it's almost like like Tres Leches or exactly. Yes, that's exactly right. So then when you cut the cake, it's so when you put the icing on the cake. If you didn't put on this year from the barrier, you know, it would still keep the cake from drying out totally for longer than if it didn't have the barrier that won't stay as moist. But if you pour the syrup on first Tres Leches, yes, and then you put on your icing you have a Waste in Juicy cake for as long as you want. Oh hell. Yeah. I'm doing that this weekend. I remember Yoli gave me a facial some time ago and she told me that the essence was like your one favorite product had to have all the time hers was the rice polish and I was like, okay Essence it is for me forever and ever and truly I have turned on so many people to the essence and Derby to like it's a must it was Sarah and Sarah's list of like, holy grail. Yeah has a nose love you guys. So because of the spout, hmm. Makes it so much totally you're not we're not living properly. If we have these like little dinky holes. I know you're just like shaking. This is just like Glides in your palm. So now I know you and then you just Pat it. What a concept what kind of yours the packaging it makes it feel like a ritual right? So it's really beautiful when you're doing it when you're making when you're using the rice polish and like Mick, you know, pour into your hands and mixing it like Everything feels like so beautiful when you're doing it. I'm so glad you know that there's a monk that you guys have met before The we work with ito-san love him hot vintage fantastic. And yes, I think all of that he's very unclear. What are you taught me is that you can turn anything that you do into a meditative ret ritual and so people often think of meditation is something you sit and you close your eyes and do and you know, I love that and I did I do that too, but he said you can you can do walking meditation. You can do eating meditation. So like mindful eating and so you can turn anything into a ritual or meditation if you just put some intention into it. And so I only spend maybe one to two minutes at night on my skincare and wanted to in the morning and but I tried to think about certain things when I'm doing it. So when I'm taking off my makeup, I literally think of releasing the day like just whatever happened that day good or bad. Just let it go and then when I'm exfoliating I think about how you can always And again because it's about releasing the dead and bringing in the new so just every day you can begin again and when I use the essence and it only takes 7 Seconds it was or but in those seven seconds, I think about the importance of giving back to yourself. And then finally when I finished with a moisturizer I think about the importance of self-care because skincare is self-care and it's just a minute to yourself, but we all spend so much time taking care of everybody else and everything else. I don't think it's a bad thing to give yourself a minute here in a minute. They're totally I love that. That's what I'm gonna start doing that because like I definitely like people have asked me like when you practice self-care and I'm like what my skincare routine but when you like attached like meaning to each step like that, it really becomes like a self-care moment. I love that. Okay going to do that. Okay, so I kind of want to talk because again, it's been a decade and things have changed a lot. How has your brand adapted to the influencer landscape? I know that you guys work with so many influencers. I personally just No, like who are your favorites? Who do you think like really gets it when it comes to skin care and like why why are they you know part of the Tasha family. Oh, I love I love the influencers. So there's a couple things one when we were first starting out. I couldn't get a PR agency to pick us up. Everybody said Asian skin care is not going to work Asian beauty is not aspirational in this country. I don't think of a story to tell so we didn't have a marketing department until a few years ago. Oh, wow, like we did in the market. In the house, we nobody in the beauty industry until a few years ago. So we're very very lucky now to have great Partners, but as a company who's bringing formulas back to a modern world that are kind of different from what people are used to Cleansing oils enzyme powders Essences. They require quite a bit of education and I think the reason that influencers have become so popular is because they've demystifies and democratized Beauty for everybody whether you're a man or a woman whether you're from Wisconsin or Ela. Beauty is for everybody and healthy skin is for everybody. So I think one of the things that has been wonderful about them for us is that they educate their wonderful Educators and they show that skin cares for everybody. And so whether it's you know, Patrick or Jeffrey you name it all of them are talented and smart and kind and generous and we wouldn't be here without without their support in helping to share education around skin Health with with their fans and I didn't even begin to name the number of Ones that I love gosh, it would take the entire podcast. Yeah, totally. I mean we when we've gone on different types of trips like Kristen Dominique is lovely love her arika. Yachty go. She's so cute. It's incredible, but it's always very genuine to thank you can tell well, thank you so so much. This has been so amazing. Yes. We're glad we've got to steal. Time from you before we know you're busy cities beginning. Well, I love you guys. I love what you're doing. I love how you're bringing the inside story of beauty to your fans, and thank you so much for letting me be here with you today. Of course anytime. Yeah. Thank you guys. We'll see you next week. Bye. Time from you before we know you're busy cities beginning. Well, I love you guys. I love what you're doing. I love how you're bringing the inside story of beauty to your fans, and thank you so much for letting me be here with you today. Of course anytime. Yeah. Thank you guys. We'll see you next week. Bye.

Vicky Tsai, founder and “Chief Treasure Hunter” of Tatcha, one of the most beloved skin care brands of the last decade and one of our favorites here at Gloss Angeles. After graduating from business school and working for large corporations, Vicky spent years traveling back and forth from the states to Asia. She developed acute dermatitis and tried everything to treat her skin. During her time in Japan, Vicky discovered the world of Japanese beauty, thanks to an encounter with a modern-day geisha. She loved how pure, simple, and effective the classical Japanese beauty philosophy was and decided she wanted to share the secrets and ingredients she learned about with the rest of the world. Today, Tatcha works with scientists in both Japan and the U.S. to create formulations from scratch that honor traditional Japanese beauty practices, but are made with advanced technology and innovation. Vicky also discusses Tatcha's new Serum Stick and what makes this new launch so special. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney.

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So if you enjoyed those first parts and haven't listened to the thing in full, I highly recommend it. We are hitting another one by Lucas newsy today, which we've done I think three or four pieces by him on the show and this is a great one that I want to talk about and we'll also talk about some of his previous works that we've done. But without further Ado, let's go ahead and just jump in to this Reed and then we will talk about it afterward. This is Again by Lucas newsy a look at innovation in Bitcoins technology stack. Bitcoin has come a long way over the past 10 years relative to the first iteration of its software the quality and reliability of current implementations has remarkably improved rapidly and organically Bitcoin was able to lure a legion of developers to dedicate thousands of hours to improve and at times revamp most of its underlying code base. Nevertheless Bitcoin is still the same much like a constitution the core set of consensus rules that Define its monetary properties such as its algorithmic inflation and hard-coded Supply remain unchanged time and time again factions have attempted to change these core properties, but all hostile takeovers. Thus far have failed. It's often a painful process, but one that highlights and solidifies to of Bitcoins. the biggest virtues One no single party can dictate how Bitcoin evolves into the lack of centralized control protects Bitcoins monetary properties. Interestingly, these are the rules that attract cypherpunks and institutional investors alike. These are the rules that make Bitcoin and unprecedented type of money. However, these are also the rules that make developing software atop Bitcoin more challenging than any other digital asset in essence Bitcoins Constitution Awards developers a limited toolkit so that they can't infringe upon its monetary policy. There's too much at stake to move fast and break things. That means that innovation in Bitcoin requires creativity patients and perhaps most importantly ego minimization after all the fundamental rules embedded in Bitcoins Constitution, ultimately superseded technology. This is why Silicon Valley has had a hard time understanding Bitcoins value proposition. It's not just a technology Financial instrument or consumer application. It's an higher monetary system supported by technology changing Bitcoins Constitution requires a quasi political process that can infringe upon its monetary properties. Therefore technological innovation is implemented as modules. As often pointed at Bitcoins modular approach to Innovation is analogous to the evolution of the Internet Protocol Suite whereby layers of different protocols specialized in specific functions emails were handled by SMTP files by FTP web pages by HTTP user addressing by IP and packet routing by TCP over the years each of these protocols. Evolved to provide the full experience that you're having this very second. In Spencer Bogaerts, excellent post on the emerging Bitcoin technology stack. He makes the case that we are now witnessing the beginning of Bitcoins own protocol Suite. As it turned out the inflexibility of Bitcoins core layer gave birth to several additional protocols that specialize in various applications, like Lightnings bolt standard for payment channels Innovation is both vibrant and relatively safe as this modular approach minimizes systemic monetary risks. So much is happening at the many layers of Bitcoins technology stack. It can be incredibly difficult to keep track of emerging Solutions. The diagram below is an attempt to map all relatively new initiatives and showcase a more complete picture of Bitcoins technology stack. It is not exhaustive and it does not signal any endorsement for specific initiatives. It is nevertheless impressive to see The Innovation is being pushed. On all fronts from layer 2 Technologies to emerging smart contract Solutions begin graphic. He's basically got a web of a connected Technologies and their main themes like the layer 2 Technologies around performance and usability around smart contracts privacy Mining and side chains and then goes off into branches from their listing out a lot of the major technologies that are currently being In worked on I highly encourage checking this out because this is a pretty amazing graph here of everything that is currently going on in Bitcoin and paints a pretty amazing picture of the entire system. But let's go ahead and jump back into the article. I will link to this in the show notes and also share the image on Twitter so that you can check it out. layer 2 There has been a lot of talk lately about the rate of adoption of the lightning Network Bitcoins most prominent layer to technology critics often point at an apparent decline in the number of channels and total Bitcoin locked in lightning two metrics frequently used to evaluate user adoption. Although the community has converged on such metrics. It is important to point out that they are fundamentally flawed given the way lightning works under the hood. One of the most underrated virtues of the lightning network is its straightforward privacy properties since lightning does not rely on global validation of all state changes IE. Its own blockchain users can transact privately using additional techniques and network overlays like tour at this point. We can estimate the percentage of private usage of the lightning Network by analyzing the number of Channel opening transactions. It's on chain and comparing that to the number of public channels off chain Christian Decker estimates that 41 percent of lightning channels are private. Activity happening within these channels is not captured by popular lightning explorers as such an increase in private usage of lightning results in a decrease in what can be publicly measured leading observers to erroneously conclude that adoption is down while it is true that lightning must overcome substantial usability barriers before it can enjoy wide adoption. We must stop using misleading metrics to make assertions about the Current state of the network as Decker pointed out in his talk at the latest lightning conference in Berlin, even the above estimate of private versus public channels is flawed as the adoption of snore signatures will make Channel opening transactions indistinguishable from regular transactions. Another interesting recent development in the field of layer to privacy was the creation of what's at a private messaging system atop lightning. This project is a modification of the lightning demon, which allows for re layers of private messages The Messengers that connect the entity's communicating to be compensated for their services via micro payments, this decentralized censorship and spam resistant chat was enabled by Innovations in L&D itself such as In improvements in the lightning - onion lightning Zone onion routing protocol. The growth of the labs or lightning applications demonstrate the wide applicability of these Innovations when it comes to Consumer applications from a lightning powered cloud computing VPS to an image hosting service that shares ad Revenue via micro transactions, and that's just layer to Innovation within lightning more. Generally we Define layer to as a suite of applications that uses Bitcoins base layer has a court where exotic Events are reconciled and disputes are settled. As such the theme of data anchoring on Bitcoins blockchain is much broader with companies like Microsoft pioneering a decentralized ID system a top Bitcoin such initiatives increase the demand for own chain reconciliation and are instrumental for the long-term development of a Bitcoin fee Market. smart contracts there are also a number of projects attempting to bring back expressive smart contract functionality to Bitcoin in a safe and responsible way. This is a significant development because starting in 2010 several of the original Bitcoin opcodes the operations that determine what Bitcoin is able to compute or removed from the protocol this came after a series of terrifying bugs were unveiled which led Satoshi himself to disable some of the functionality of script Bitcoins programming language over the years it became crystal clear that there are non-trivial security risks that a company highly expressive smart contract functionality. The common rule of thumb is that the more functionality is introduced to a virtual machine the collective verification mechanism that processes opcodes, the more unpredictable its programs will be more recently. However, we've seen new approaches to Smart contract architecture in Bitcoin that can minimize unpredictability, but also provide vast functionality The devised of a new approach to bitcoin smart contracts called Merc alized abstract syntax trees or Mast has ignited a new wave of supporting technologies that attempt to optimize the trade-offs between security and functionality. Most prominently is Taproot An Elegant implementation of the Mast structure that enables an entire application to be expressed as a Merkle tree, whereby each Inch of the tree represents a different execution outcome along with Taproot will come a programming language called tap script which can be used to more easily express the spinned conditions associated with each branch of the Merkle tree. Another interesting Innovation that has recently resurfaced is a new architecture for the implementation of covenants or spend conditions on bitcoin transactions originally proposed as a thought experiment by Greg Maxwell back in 2013 covenants are an approach to limit the way balances can be spent even as their custody changes. Although the idea has existed for nearly seven years covenants were impractical to be implemented before The Advent of Taproot now a new opcode called up check template verify formerly known as up secure. The bag is leveraging this new technology to potentially enable covenants to be safely implemented in Bitcoin. At first glance covenants are incredibly useful in the context of lending and perhaps Bitcoin based derivatives as they enabled the creation of policies like clawbacks to be attached to specific Bitcoin balances, but their potential impact on the usability of Bitcoin goes vastly beyond lending covenants can allow for the implementation of things like Bitcoin vaults which in the context of custody provide the equivalent of a second privately. Key that allows a party that has been hacked to freeze stolen funds. There are so many other applications of this technology, like non-interactive payment channels congestion control transactions coins. It truly deserves a standalone post. For more on this check out Jeremy Rubens be IP draft. It is important to note that schnoor signatures are the technological primitive that make all of these new approaches to Smart contracts possible. After schnoor activates even edgier techniques can be theorized such as script list scripts which could enable fully private and scalable Bitcoin smart contracts to be represented as digital signatures as opposed to opcodes similarly discrete log contracts also employ the idea of representing a smart contracts execution outcome as a digital signature for better privacy and scalability. Together these new approaches may enable novels smart contract applications to be built atop Bitcoin and schnoor is the basis of it. Mining there have also been some interesting developments in mining protocols. Especially those used by mining pool constituents, even though the issue of centralization in Bitcoin mining is often wildly exaggerated. It is true that there are power structures retained by mining pool operators that can be further decentralized. Namely pool operators can decide which transactions will be mined by all pool constituents which grants them considerable power over time. Some operators have abused his power by censoring transactions mining empty blocks and reallocating hashing output to other networks without the authorization of constituents. Thankfully there are technologies that are attempting to flip that power structure upside down. One of the most substantial changes coming to Bitcoin mining is the second version of stratum. The most popular protocol used in mining pools stratum V2 is a complete overhaul that implements better Hash a secondary protocol that enables mining pool constituents to decide the composition of the block they will mine and not the other way around. Stratum V2 also implements several optimizations and allows mining pool constituents to better communicate and coordinate. Another interesting development in the mining industry that should contribute to more stability is reignited interest in hash rate and difficulty derivatives. These can be particularly useful for mining operations that wish to hedge against hash rate fluctuations in difficulty readjustments while these derivatives have yet to be productized this marks an interesting evolution in the industrialization of Bitcoin mining. privacy After our report on schnoor signatures some privacy coin Advocates were outraged by the suggestion that sufficient privacy may be optionally achieved in Bitcoin at some point. Although this suggestion May challenge Theses around the long-term value proposition of privacy assets. There are a host of emerging protocols that can bring better privacy into Bitcoin. Although it is likely that privacy and Bitcoin will continue to be more of an art than a science. Since there have been interesting Innovations on this front that are worth highlighting. Before we delve into specific privacy Innovations. It's important to highlight that the biggest impediment to private transactions across digital assets is the fact that most solutions are half-baked privacy assets that focus on transaction graph privacy often neglect Network level privacy and vice versa both vectors suffer from a lack of maturity and usage which makes transactions easier to D anonymize via statistical traceability analysis. He's at either the peer-to-peer Network layer or the blockchain layer. Thankfully there are several projects pushing boundaries on both fronts when it comes to transaction graph privacy Solutions like P2 EP or pay to end point and check template verify are interesting because privacy becomes a byproduct of efficiency as novel approaches to coin join these Solutions can increase the adoption of private transactions by users that are solely motivated. By lower transaction fees although privacy guarantees are still suboptimal under a coin model unshielded Cent amounts can still be beneficial as they preserve the auditability of Bitcoins Supply and free float. if lower transaction fees become a motivator and lead to an increase in Bitcoins anonymity set the percent of UT EXO's that are coin join outputs, the anonymization Via statistical clustering analysis will become even more subjective than it already is some Block Chain analysis companies have been able to trick law enforcement agencies into believing in assigned probability that a you T XO belongs to a specific person, but the underlying model is all Extremely nuanced and fragile if the majority of UT EXO's become coin outputs that might break existing approaches to clustering. Before that can happen. There's a tremendous amount of work that needs to be done on the usability front so that all Bitcoin users tech-savvy or not have equal access to privacy mechanisms. Beyond pay to end point and check template verify a recent development in usability was The Proposal of Snicker simple non-interactive coin join with keys for encryption reused a novel way to generate coins with untrusted peers Snicker combines several Technologies to Grant users access to coin transactions without having to trust or interact with their peers. Progress is also noticeable in protocols that aim to improve the privacy and efficiency of peer-to-peer Communications over the course of 2019. The privacy-preserving network protocol. Dandelion was successfully tested across from multiple crypto Networks. Even though privacy and transaction propagation is not a silver bullet when it comes to the full spectrum of peer-to-peer communication protocols like dandelion can still meaningfully increase user privacy by hiding the originating IP address of the node broadcasting a transaction a final development in Bitcoins. Networking stack worth highlighting is the new transaction real a protocol called early although still at a very early development. Stage early is an important innovation because it can considerably reduce the bandwidth requirements of running a Bitcoin full node. If implemented early lays efficiency gains can enable users to participate in transaction relay, which is bandwidth intensive and continuously validate the chain, especially in countries where internet service providers impose caps on bandwidth the tip of the iceberg it is incredibly difficult to track all the Innovation happening in Bitcoin. And this post is just a scratch on the surface. This brings us to the key takeaway of this piece Bitcoin in its totality is a constantly evolving Suite of protocols. The modular approach to Innovation described here is important as it plays a key role in minimizing politicize mm in the evolution of Bitcoin in protects, its fundamental monetary. Please remember this article the next time someone claims Bitcoin is a static technology. Connect with DAR. If you'd like to learn more about Dar click here to reach out or our free daily newsletter chock-full of the highest quality crypto news and information sign up here links included. All right dir is digital asset research. That is Lucas newsy is the director of Technology over there and I will link to all of the stuff in the show notes. So don't forget to check that out. Let's go ahead and hit our sponsor and then let's talk about This awesome piece in the development in the state of the Bitcoin protocol Suite. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid For exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. If I don't want it I can edit at sound effects clips and they automatically published to all of the top podcasting platforms. I never had to do a thing. So if you were thinking of starting a show or already have a podcast, there's no better platform out there check out anchor by downloading the app or go to Anchor dot f FM today Our this is definitely going to be my go to for the next little while on because that's constantly hear that Bitcoin is stagnant and not doing anything because we're not making fundamental changes to the monetary policy or to the fundamental consensus rules, which is opening the up the Avenue of changing the monetary policy. Which and that's one of the one of the most important ideas that you can pull from. This is that Bitcoin is the foundation of an entire monetary system. It will be modularly applied to all of the different applications which we can use a monetary system to solve which it's such a crucial idea and it's so so deeply misunderstood because it's a very abstract and nuanced topic the whole concept of of this as a new thing. It's very different from the sort of perception that was laid out in the white paper and it was come to thought of originally And I think it's a different than what Satoshi originally thought. He was solving. I think the more important problem that was solved was the monetary system the fact that he created a way to issue own and Trust the the hierarchy of incentives that the set of incentives within a monetary system without any third party and he knew that the problem was was trust at this all over the white paper. Is that all the problems are with trust? With the whole abstract says and that's the problem. He solved in with it through the immense amount of a number of Technologies and things that we can build on top of this that we can tether to the chain as a dispute resolution system as a ultimate Arbiter as to who owns what in external or a branch networks off of this thing is Limitless and clearly the the the protocol Suite is not stagnant and I love the examples as emails were handled by SMTP files by FTP web pages by HTTP user addressing by IP and packet routing by TCP. I think we will see the same thing. It's it's very much like a Bitcoin is worse is better actually has a really interesting section actually just reread that I'm not too long ago, and I'm going to be doing it on the show just because I'd forgotten how much great stuff was in it, but It talks about exactly that like this is the this is something that we've seen with the internet. This is something we've seen with these protocols before where people assumed or treated in thought of these things as fundamentally limited and uncapable like that. Look at all these things that can't do look at all these features that we can't even squeeze in here and yet they took over and yet somehow they succeeded massively in the face of so much competition so many Herbs that supposedly could do more and it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of how this technology evolves and what it's what the key fundamentals are the must stay in place for the rest of it to actually evolved and so a huge huge. Thank you to Lucas an Uzi for putting this piece together because I've been doing I even there's a couple of things that he even mentioned in here that I wasn't aware of Snicker. I realized I had heard about but had never dug in And this has gotten me there's all the way there are links to all of this stuff through it. So if you want to check out what's at you want to check out congestion Transit congestion control transactions non-interactive payment channels, which are fascinating by the way. I just went through and read the VIP video links to so much so much good stuff in here. And like I said, even even I who is trying to keep up with this stuff constantly, like literally two or three. I didn't know secure the bag had changed to check template. Verify so that would confuse the hell out of me just so much so much great stuff in here to read. I've been kind of lost in the Suave little late on this episode today. It's just cuz I've been lost in the VIPs that he linked to on a chip template verify basically read this whole thing from Jeremy Ruben and it is crazy to try to wrap my head around the congestion control transactions. This diagram is one of the most I'm gonna have to go through it a couple of different times. but it looks really interesting as a way to Aggregate and then release data from a set of transactions that you're trying to do so that you can essentially Aggregate and prep for the release of these later transactions while these are incredibly High while there's High congestion and then you can piecemeal release it later when congestion is low and it's a it looks like really interesting setup and then covenants I Not know much about those up to this point. I had read them briefly in the Bitcoin Dev and mailing list because they've been a hot topic of discussion in there as I kind of skimmed through those. So that's another really big thing that are going to be really fascinating and the application of being able to stipulate additional details on being able to move Bitcoin from one custodian to another but continue to attach Then it's attached attached other details to like a Fail-Safe like a like a contractual agreement is set previously The Lending being the obvious example, but the number of things that you can do with that and I want to really get clarity on exactly how this thing works and if it can be attached to it seems like it would have to be attached to certain amounts, which I think has another handful of really crazy. Ins that I would love to see but I want to confirm before I kind of get into talking about it but this is such a good such a thorough breakdown of a lot of the major ones that are going on in many that we've talked about on the show obviously schnoor signatures are a huge one and the plethora of stuff that that enables and new scripts that are going to make possible Taproot. So Merkel has abstract. Tech trees Mast is just a way to create essentially a program a a set of outcomes for a Bitcoin transaction that can in a sense be infinitely long. Like obviously there are limitations to like transaction size and other details and stuff. But for our sakes a perfect just just for the sake of conversation we can just keep adding trees and branches and new legs to this. Ash tree, but because of that I didn't realize I've got a quote about the implementation of mass Just Smokes. Most prominently is Taproot An Elegant implementation of the Mast structure that enables an entire application to be expressed as a Merkle tree, whereby each branch of the tree represents a different execution outcome. And this actually puts this in a set of wording that I hadn't quite realized was so powerful is that we have a lot of like when you're in a programming language, there are always use cases are there are always cases are typically there are cases in the code where things can be executed or some final result can be reached it was not intended, you know, essentially a bug sometimes not necessarily a bug but just some degree of unpredictability where someone created a set of program or an environment in code that they pected to have outcome a b or c and it turns out D and E are also possible. We're some Loop is stuck in the middle. And this is fundamental to the security trade off of Bitcoin that these limitations are specifically there for security and the having unpredictability not being able to predict or know what the possible outcomes of a script R is is a horrible precedent to set at the fundamental monetary. Because if you cannot predict what the possible outcomes are, you cannot predict if you have no way of knowing if all the outcomes do in fact adhere to the consensus rules, so that's why the script is so heavily restricted. That's why it's so limited in what it can do is so that the monetary properties are unbelievably sound and that's why I a talks about Satoshi himself. Disabled a lot of the functionality of script very early on because a handful of really really bad bugs were uncovered and he basically said, all right. We're just going to remove I think it's like 12 or something like different scripts just just straight out because a couple of them were proven unsafe and without the ability to easily or quickly verify the others is just like well, why don't you remove all of the ones where we're not a hundred percent certain and then kind of start from there. I'm with the intent to maybe are at least open the possibility of putting the scripts back in or adding additional functionality later, which obviously we see has been made possible particularly cleverly through segue which able enables us to actually add additional scripts in a very easy way or very easy way a much easier way than in the past and that's really exciting. And the the number of things that have been built out already the potential applications have seen or signatures like what can actually be done with this is so exciting. It's a little bit scary at the same time because there's so much amazing potential both from the Privacy efficiency and capability side with snore signatures, but the fact that it's still a couple years out soft Fork. It's amazing. All this development and all these standards and capabilities are being sorted out now even before like we're getting there so that when this saw Fork happens is much can be put into it as possible from the application of snore signatures, but the fact that there's still this limitation. There's this possibility that it might not get implemented. It's a little bit like, oh God like it's it raises stress levels every time I get I read more about snore signatures or some new use case of snore signatures and then simultaneously like so I'm getting more excited about it. But then because of that I'm my expectation of it being implemented is ever Higher and Higher and and it increases my stress. I'm like, oh God, how long is this gonna take what happens to all of this beautiful stuff if it doesn't happen, so and privacy just The got where is that? I'm going to check this thing whole second. Okay, when it comes to transaction graph privacy Solutions, like peda endpoint and check template verify are interesting because privacy becomes a byproduct of efficiency. I love a that line but more importantly just the concept of that because you know privacy is one of those this one of the issues with privacy is an opt-in solution is most people don't care and genuinely or specifically with with privacy Solutions. Typically if people opt out like if people aren't opting in those who opt in actually become targets and the anonymity set becomes smaller. So the the amount of privacy that you're getting because other people aren't choosing privacy is actually change. There's actually affected. Jesus I had to go shut up my stove. I thought it was just going to beep at me once and it just kept beeping. So yeah, where was I what we're talking about privacy is if it's okay. Yes, so privacy and anonymity set people don't choose privacy but affects your privacy that's a bit of a problem and opt-in privacy Solutions always end up becoming like these like Niche or Niche like these little like sub-networks and like other things in the infrastructure. never really gets built out that here's the fascinating thing is if something like a Snicker, this is one of the things that I have not dug into like I said, I recognize the term but I did not realize exactly what it was and I'm not dug into it and I'm really just just the one paragraph about Snicker has got me really excited and I've got to dig into this further, but when when privacy becomes so simple once you get the Kinks worked, Worked out and then it becomes a byproduct of seeking efficiency. Everyone wants cheap transactions. Everyone wants the fee wants to split the fee with someone else like the ability to spend less money to do the same thing. That is something that is broadly acceptable broadly understood as being valuable. And if in that tool you also get privacy you also get Opti. Nation if coin joined becomes the more efficient the more cost effective solution to Simply transact that is a game-changer that fundamentally Alters the entire aspect of like the Privacy and anonymity set like how this tool is actually interacted with because it again it can see adoption for an entirely different reason and it's the Privacy simply becomes the byproduct so The Privacy measures actually become the the push for adopting the more efficient Technologies and for simplifying their use for making the user experience in utilizing these things basic just click a button and it works sort of thing. And that's a such a huge huge thing with with all this stuff. That's one of the most important things in my opinion about privacy because there's that trade-off that there was actually a recent Twitter thread that was Really good about the trade-offs between the auditability ands, the I think was about putting in Nimble wimble on Litecoin as a side chain or as an extension block. I didn't really dig into the conversation, but I did read a couple people salts like Dan held and I think I think even Sabo Nick Carter people like that on actually put in their two cents. I'll see if I can find that thread actually if I can I'll post it in the show notes. What is really interesting little conversation back? Back and forth about the trade-offs between auditing the supply and private transactions is the risk is always there that if you cannot easily audit the supply you regardless of whether you get privacy you may have you may have no way to prove that. The monetary policy is in fact still the monetary policy. If something breaks, you may never be able to fix it again, you may never be able to find why or where it broke and you Fundamentally altered especially doing it as an extension block rather than something like a side chain which again go back to that has the the bit of the problem of the opt-in scenario is that if it's a side chain or some specifically send your Bitcoin to well then they just the target becomes everybody who uses the sidechain who opts in to have that level of privacy. So it's definitely definitely a lot of trade-offs and nuances involved and I think auditability at the base. A Slayer this goes back to actually Lucas's recent other article that he actually talks about with schnoor signatures is that and I think he has a comment about other people like getting getting aggravated with the good enough privacy. Yeah. That's what it was the outrage by the suggestion that sufficient privacy may be optionally achieved in Bitcoin at some point and that's With the schnoor signatures, I will link to that when we've done three other articles by Lucas. I think maybe for one of them might not be listed with him as the author I think because I hadn't been doing that for very long, but That was a really really good one and another one that hits on a lot of these topics more in depth and really really interesting. Look at the whole how privacy and efficiency may very well go hand in hand with a lot of these technologies that are coming and that at the base layer we want that auditability. It's incredibly important not to well. It's a very dangerous trade-off to give that away in exchange for privacy. He when we may have other methods for simply disconnecting the owner from the balance and the transaction itself from the balances. That's what's kind of important is. Yes, you'll have a lot of these balances and addresses and stuff. But what if each of these addresses is multiple people and what if payments come across multiple of these addresses it wants what if payment is hidden within, you know multisig contract that then enables off chain. Movements in transactions and exchanges with multiple Keys involves. What if you can move a key to an address example being State chains? You can move the keys to an address without actually moving anything in the address what if multiple people hold ownership of multiple denominations of a single address in something like a tap script. So there's that is a level of privacy that simply negates the concept of using Block Chain analysis. in Deciding who the owner is. It makes the blockchain and not what a system of storing data. That isn't exactly used like a straight. I have this transaction. This was a explicit Exchange in the real world that we can connect to maybe it was many exchanges. Maybe it was a single dispute that went wrong after 50 other exchanges and I think that's actually a good thing but exchanging auditability. At the base layer could be extremely dangerous and might just be ill-advised across-the-board. Maybe we can get away with actually achieving privacy without giving up the auditability and that's just another whole rabbit hole and bag of crap to unfold in and of itself and we haven't even really talked about lightning in this one, but that's kind of because I've been putting together a lot. Lot of information about lightning and trying to get my head around a number of different concepts that I want to talk about. So I actually want to devote a full episode sometime next week into lightning and a lot of the stuff that I'm working on. So because I think it will be hitting a lot of these Concepts and actually a huge another thank you too. Lucas is that I'd had not listened to the Christian Decker video about how to figure out whether a Channel or measure the number of public and private channels and that is Truly a huge help because I needed that for something and was having a really really hard time finding that so and it also got me to watch like three other things from the lightning conference that I had not seen because I only wash like two hours of the seven on day one. Lots of great stuff there always great stuff from Lucas newsy and digital asset research. So I will link to all of that good stuff. Do not forget to check out the show notes. I also have it in the Twitter post. Thank you to these guys always for letting me read this stuff on the show and share these Concepts and this work. Don't forget to clap drop some up dolls on medium.com / digital asset research. That's where this is all posted under their medium page and lots of other great stuff to cover. They have a whole Bitcoin 101 Series this really good. If you're kind of new to all of these Technologies and stuff. I know this piece itself was pretty dense, so Lots of check out there. I will have those show notes available. Don't forget to follow Lucas on Twitter as well. I think his tag is just his name that will be listed. Where is it? Yeah, it's just Lucas knew l ucas in use Easy. I shoot him a thank you for this great article and drop some Applause on medium. Alright guys until next time that should do us for today. Do not forget to get your tickets to bit block boom using offer code CC. Other get you a 30% discount and you can come see my speech at bit bought room as well as so many other great authors or excuse me of great speakers and and we'll get to hang out and get drunk and talk about Bitcoin. We had an awesome time last year and I'm so excited or I guess this year and I'm so excited to do it again. So with that we will close this one out. 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Hey everyone, welcome to the withering fact. This is episode 12 B. That's right. I said 12 be like the B-side of that cassette that fell underneath your tape back in like, I don't know high school years when your parents couldn't afford a real CD player for your car. Today's date is September 10th 2019, and I am Duds or does versus everywhere else bang and I'm Bank like you said. Yeah. I'm Bank Hope on God awful is going soYeah, we were well, it's we'll work it out. Well, they get no I lost it. Yeah. Okay. So this episode is going to be really different than all the other episodes. Basically we had Nina on last week and we had so much fun recording with her. We recorded a second episode that we kind of waited to put out till this week. We still want to cover some news and stuff. Neither one of us have really worked on anything important this week. If been non mine craft projects and I'm not going to tell you guys mine because it's a major major project and I'm kind of holding it close to the chest until I get more stuff worked out shit. He's it is a very cool thing though. Yeah bank had to sit here and listen to me talk about it. What an hour 45 minutes already. Jeez, maybe longer than that. Yeah, but I'm super excited. I hope it gets worked out. Yeah. Yeah. I do too. So, do you have anything to add bank or should we just jump right into the new? No, I don't know pretty much to add from this week. It was a pretty pretty boring week for me as well. Yeah, I mean the most I had was I did a lot of work in the yard. I did some work on my car. And that was it. I just kept making models. I'm printing them. Hey, you did a 3D model of that chest and painted it and that look really good. Yeah, I should actually post a picture. I'll do it in that this car after we're done recording. Yeah another reason to join the Discord which some of you guys took us up on and you get and thank you God for my door just Court small and not Super Active, but that's why we keep begging you guys to join the Discord. Because then it will get like if yeah, exactly so Minecraft news, we had snapshot 19w 36a. It is already like a week ago this point but yeah, but because we we record weird days sometimes their Saturday, sometimes there's some days Mondays or Tuesdays. We just never know. That's why I say the date whenever we do not just episodes up so you guys can go. Oh they recorded on this date. That's They're not talking about this. And stuff like that. Yeah snapshot. Holy crap. We're already getting sidetracked on a very Sidetrack you episode. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. We have a lot of sight trikes with Nina. It's also great. Yeah, it really was it was fun talking to you. It was a lot of fun. All right news news for us. Okay should I don't even know how to pronounce this word. So your language. I mean, I'm even more lost. I've never eaten yet seen the world. I know it has something to do with obscuring and that it's going to make modding Minecraft way better. I mean that's kind of what it says is well look they on the snapshot thing. Yeah, so there's that to me. The big thing is trying to sleep in a bed during daytime will now set players spawn that's going to be awesome. I kind of like that. I wonder if you actually lay in bed or not. Probably. I don't know. I think it's going to be cool because everyone tries to build many games where you kind of die. So you have to sleep in a bed before you play the Mini-Game. Yeah servers. So this look tight kind of take away that or like when you're doing a group fight trying to fight the Enderdragon and everyone's trying to sleep in a bed before the dragon fight not everyone got into the bed. So the night passed super quick and now they're like, oh my God, I didn't get to set my spot. Yeah that those are great examples of Why did that thing is great. Also, if you just found a nice bolt and it took you a lot of effort to get there and you don't want to risk like hanging out too much before setting Your Spawn. Oh, yeah, it's a good rifle Far Away. Like I just want to set my spell now. Yeah, it's very good point. I really like the firework Rockets. Well, we should go buy order. I guess it's completely well. I think I'm going by different order maybe than you but I have bells will ring if powered by redstone. Yeah, I really like that as well. I mean I worked around it using an arrow in a dispenser and just shooting an arrow against a bell. Well, is it the actual Bell or are a few power the block the bill is hooked to does that also ring it? I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna say right. Then the block I mean wouldn't they just work like any other Redstone component? Yeah, I'm guessing. I don't know if the block next to it gets powered. It'll sort of sun to power through it as well. Like once doesn't Observer observe a bell ringing. Oh, that's an interesting question. Yeah, I don't really know a purpose for it, but it would be nice to know if it did or not. I mean that may already be in the game. Anyways, you might have to wait for us - yeah for that. Yeah, that's that's a fun one to try out. Yeah, another update in the snapshot that's really going to help like custom map makers and modding and stuff is that you can turn off individual damage in the game. So like you can turn off drowning damage. So if you're underwater too long, you won't drown you can take off fall damage no more falling to your death or fire damage stuff like that can be changed in the game rules. So that's kind of cool for some adventure maps. I guess I'll so far. How do you phrase it? Like for Less experienced player servers that is right. There's a lot of new players. They often have like no, you know set the game mode to easy and no fire takes that kind of stuff that there's some things in there. That could be really nice for a new players. Yep, I agree. The next item is sponges now try out when placed in the nether. I mean I could save on fuel. Yeah, I understand it, but I don't really think it was a worthy enough thing if that makes sense. Like I get it because water doesn't exist in the nether. So it makes sense for water to evaporate out of sponges when you place them down, right? I think you should be able to get away with not even placing them down. Like if you just hit q and toss them out of your inventory. Oh, yeah, that would make it worth it. I mean I kind of like this as well go. I mean melting stuff is always really slow. Yeah, so placing it and then mining it is obviously sort of a quicker way and also less weight. Well, I love how they built two new furnaces to makes melting faster, but it still doesn't do everything. So now they're working out ways to not use furnaces at all. Yeah, that's roll porkchop in the nether it Cook it. And that will be great though. It makes sense. Throw it on a on a make my blog something like that the Nethers hi-yah. Okay, then the one you were talking about earlier fireworks now dispense from a dispenser and travel the way they were the direction. They were fired. Yeah, it's so completely useless but it's really cool because you can have horizontal work. It's like you said, that's awesome. Right? I'm going to start setting up a little turns of firework big large exploding balls or whatever. Yeah, you can actually make turrets for like mini games and stuff. Hmm. I think that'll be very cool. Yeah. Honey, bottles are now less filling. Also I guess they decrease the saturation guys. I was already complaining that honey was kind of useless. Now you made it even more useless yesterday Ed of the food and it could be like a replacement for carrots. If it well. It didn't stick so it couldn't be but you know, yeah and then now they just made it like yeah, you never even really want to use it because it's really bad. All right. It's a shame. Yeah, put honey on the chicken and let me cook the chicken and give my chicken the saturation of a golden carrot. That's what I'm yeah, that's going to be awesome. I'd still would like to see a complete food really work, like keep the foods you have just sort of make them work differently or something. I agree make it viable to use them. Whichever you're like, I don't know. Now there's so many once you don't read you never use like you don't want to use it at all. Yeah. Some couple bug fixes entities Crossing Dimensions through another portals cause tremendous lag. That's true and I'm excited that that gets fixed from what they're saying is like 115 is not going to be this huge Grand update. It's just kind of going to be a bug fix with some other stuff added to it. Right which I'm kind of okay with as long as it doesn't take July before it comes out. Because that's what it's going to come out early 2019 and it was what July 4th that weekend I want to say is when the server started and we were playing on snapshots. I think so. Well that's also offer but they promised they would do like two big releases a year or something. Yeah, maybe they'll finally holding up to that though. That would be nice. Yeah. I'm cool with smaller releases throughout the year if one release is literally just we're making the game work better. I'm good with that. But you can't take all year on a we're going to fix our bugs from the last one update. Probably know that. No, they shoot at stuff, but they are I mean, yeah, I've been there many snapshots. It's clear that there it's clear that they're adding stuff. It's not much true. Speaking of bees. They fixed were bees will suffocate when up against a solid block ceiling because you know bees are stupid last time. They tried to drown themselves now, they can't breathe on a solid ceiling. Mmm dumb bees. Honey level of beehives. It's not increase as opposed to be nests. I'm not sure what that means. I'm guessing because obviously when you look at the F3 screen at a hive, it'll say honey level and level 5 I want to say is when you can Harvest The hunting from it right? So I don't know if that saying like the hives themselves weren't working, but the bee nests were. I did I haven't played in the snapshot. I usually try to save playing in the snapshot. Yeah, they're getting closer to releasing it - yeah, I've really might reason to to go in through this nuptial Beyond just have a quick look at beast. But I mean the screen shields you see a sort of show you all you need. At least I think so. Yeah. I don't know we'll have to wait and see what that kind of means I guess. I think you're right. But other than that, I think we're done with the news. Right did you say about well, let's test the bees are affected by benefit and reports. Oh I didn't I didn't hear you say that one know and they change the texture of nectar covered bees to have consistent amount of money. I guess there was again I didn't really see into the snapshot that but yet, so I don't know. Okay, what that school is it give mean Boehner a surprise at least that kind of gives it another thing too. It's still the worst enchantment the game guys. Come on are they are Trope bolts or whatever. I don't really know even what that word means but I told her that's something to do with spiders. I mean, I know it's a type. I need to be - oh, okay SOB's very just follow that so I just yeah, I haven't looked into it. This was kind of a Last-minute. Hey, let's record the news to add Tena. There's any insect knowledge guys out there. Let us know in at this car. Yeah speaking wedge. What we're going to go ahead and do is we're going to have Karl do our disk or dad and then we're going to take you guys straight into a recording from last week with Nina what we finish up our discussions. I hope you guys enjoy it. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. Hey, everyone, the withering effect has a Discord. It's a great place to have discussions with fellow listeners and everyone who works on the show a link will be available in the show notes. And if you don't join a walrus might try to steal your pants certain did the walrus. Hi guys. This is going to be a bonus to last episode. Nina is still with us. Say hello. We had some good ideas after we wrapped up the podcast that could wait. So we're going to go ahead and record some bonus stuff. Thank you. Still alive. I'm still here. Let's just I don't know when to think most listening. Yeah. Yeah, we got we got all the dirt. I guess. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and call this one the dirt Carl you don't get to name this episode. This section is basically how to deal with people that aren't being Savory on the server. I'm going to use that word or maybe just some people in general who are new to the community who aren't necessarily bad players. Just they need some direction how to deal with your community as a server owner as the leader of the group. That's way better wording be saying that players. Who's going? Okay, so he hasn T first right? Because I'm ready. Yeah, Didn't Start us off. You ready them Pat like I look so I've I've been I guess an admin for maybe three years. Now. There's always gonna be whenever you start a community. There's always going to be issues. Shoes always always always that's just the nature in humans. So yes, how do you deal with them people together? Yeah, if you how do you deal with them? How do you maintain the situation? Like for example, there's this one guy. I don't know what his deal was and he wasn't a kid either like he was a this is a grown man. He didn't agree with some of the servers. I guess new new rules. So we were a faction. YouTube rest in peace server and then no one was really like fighting each other because we were all like pretty chill. So we decided that I should be vanilla S&P whatever and I was like what that's all dumb so boring and we got into an argument and disagreement and he instead of like wanting to Compromise and find a solution he ended up just saying peace, but he also had access to the console. So after he got I guess on whitelisted the server owner forgot to remove him from the console access and he just really whitelisted him. He's fondant he turned when to creative. He spawned in Withers. My eye things were blowing up and he's like ha ha Fu and yeah. Oh what it was? Yeah. Well luckily like we got backups. So always have that backup always gotta have that. I like man, that's so petty. I like there's always gonna be Petty people always. Yeah. I want to say back in comedy craft. What was it? Season two we did call me world on the Discworld. We had a player join and literally just kind of joined out of spite because he didn't like our application process. So he went through the trouble of joining and everything just for He literally mind for like an hour got enough iron to make tons of buckets of lava started lighting everything on fire with lava because we had fire ticket somebody in our shopping area was selling gunpowder. So he made a bunch of TNT just kind of like blew up the entire shopping area, which I couldn't understand but luckily like I said basic hosting does automatic backups for us. So in general, I think we lost three hours. And I want to say that's when I install a core protect and put Bank and Trust because fuzzy was the admin I had before Bank. And that wasn't going so well, so when Bank message, hey, I want to kind of join again and play some psych. Yes. Yeah, I've noticed there was interesting when I first looked like through the server files and stuff as well. Yeah, there were a little like so you guys had a stud Discworld was like it was a pre created map. Yeah. It was a custom map by guy who basically The books off of I think the Terry Pratchett books the one where the worlds on the back of a turtle. Yeah, which was an awesome world, but it has its downsides like you didn't really want to mess up the world. So if you needed a big ups and or stuff that we really good places for that. There were no like sponsors and stuff. So you guys created like a portal thingy where you could just go to like a completely different world, which was meant to like screw up and yeah, just dig up get resources and all that. And so when I looked through the server files I saw like more worlds. I know one had like a half malt. So it was like ice Planet sort of thing. He just had its own world's going on on the side. It was a bit awkward. Yeah, I remember I messaged you about that. Like hey, is that supposed to be there? And then I was like, what the heck are you talking about? He made his own world. It was to play in. Yeah, he just used the server as a testing ground for I think it was his own server. Besides it was it was really really interesting. Yeah, so I fixed that. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I mean that goes back to sort of be careful who you choose to be monitoring permissions. Yeah, and don't be afraid to kick people. I know like hmm. There's a lot of nice. I've met a lot of nice several owners were like, oh they did it. I'll give him a slap on the wrist if they do it again, then I'll kick them but it's like Come on, just just if that happens. Don't be scared to just get rid of it. I don't know if someone's toxic. I think we should just get rid of them. I think that's and I both try to sort of woke a line where your fair but look straight as well. Thank more than me now out in the beginning. I had the street three-strike rule where if you do three things you're gone and I want to say by the final season of common craft. It was like I was throwing that ban Hammer like Like Thor's it's like if you did want to follow rule, just forget it you're gone and it's mainly the X-ray years that we had the problem with we had so many x-rays That season. So what we would do is we'd literally just go into their inner chest take the diamonds and stuff out of it. We had a community giveaway. We're basically if you put your name and I'll split you had a chance to win all the diamonds that guy extra. That's awesome. Yeah, because yeah, we just put it back in the community that the mix is shops. Shops on our server. We're always the number one thing. That's what kept people going was I'm building a shop. I need a constant Supply the shop. So people were always spending money and coming coins. And yeah, why not give them more money to spend. Yeah also with with like thanks various. We didn't all straight up then dumb like if there was someone who just joined and like the first thing you did was go down and do that. Yeah. We didn't give him much of a chance. Yeah, but If it was someone who shot of slipped up, I guess he just I don't know. He got impatient after like a week or so, we would be like talking to him and depending on how they would respond and deal with it. Yeah, they straight up admitted it in your lighter sober. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Here's your one chance to make up. Yeah, I'm gonna go Thorn you the next time you do. Mmm. Yeah. Like I said, we try to be sort of fair, like people who were already around like that, especially if they were nice guys. You don't really want to bend nice guys basically, but you know, you gotta sort of keep the rules. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to be afraid to you got to be sturdy as well because people will fight you on it. Ya know I didn't then you sometimes start to doubt your Self like am I right here? And you just gotta be like, no, you know you made that decision already. So you just got to see ya read it that's sometimes stuff like they play on your feelings for sure. Oh man, it's always it's always tough Trend be strict because I'm an impact. Like I always try to like feel for the other side. So it's it's yeah, it can get difficult. Once I gotta say if you guys so you guys have all you you did have like weird server admin drama, I guess. Yeah, because iíve had a couple issues where there's like this weird power in security. So I want that for one server. I wasn't the owner, but I was an admin so I would be like and I try I'm trying my best to keep the server alive. So I'm like recommending things and they'll owner would be like not. like I think about it headed so frustrating to not I don't know just like have those kinds of people around where they like I'm the owner I get to control everything. Muhahaha. Yeah. Well that kind of leads me into why I started coming craft Bank knows the story. I think Bank likes his story. I can't remember if you're tired. I mean I kind of us part of it. Anyway if that whole story. Yeah, so we played on a server called realm of survivors for I was listening here. I think I only lasted six months on that server. I think we both joined sort of at the same time without really realizing it. Yeah, so I knew right then the admins had a lot of abuse of their power. Basically what kind of ended it for me was I would be building something and admin just kind of wrote up to me and killed me what said? Oh well and walked off. It's like what the heck that's why I like that. Yeah, and then we had another girl on their her name was FEA talking about I'm trying to make sexual advances. Oh, that's so sad. Yeah, and that was really a big. Well, I'm going to start my own public server. Now where people can be safe and play and have fun and not have to worry about stuff like that. How old were they and sorry I keep interrupting. I have no clue. I think they were like they had sort of young guys, but I think most of them are like the decent a thing most of them were in their twenties at least I'd say n and 20s probably even yeah me too and twenty somewhere. Yeah, they were like it. Wow, obviously not if they're sexually harassing so girls what the hell they should know better. That's disappointing. Yeah, so I started covercraft and I was just like hey, if you want to play here, you're fine. I invited like maybe five other people from Roma survivors to join next thing. I know there were like 20 people that left enjoying the nice and so basically you starting common craft started the fall of Rome of survivors the point where they didn't have a server for a while. Well, yeah. Yeah, and then a year after common craft started, I guess Roma survivors got picked back up and they got called the sunflower Kingdom. Basically, they didn't like the fact that they found out that all their players went to Comic craft and blame me for the downfall Roman survivors. So any video I would post or any Reddit link promoting the server's they were just constantly downvoted and stuff and talk trash about that guy freaking bottom. I say that you disliked all my videos talk trash on my community channel. Oh my God. It did set that as well for quite a while. I think we just when you upload it, like you had a dislike like pretty much it was like one guy everybody our liking it like we do. Yeah ours bro. Yeah, and it doesn't really affect me enough really anything my server kept continuing on and Rome with or sunflower Kingdom. They actually grew to a decent number but they didn't have the steady base we did. But we had players that were in both discords and I would get messages with like screenshots of them. Just absolutely trashing me as a YouTuber and stuff. It's like guys I have less than a hundred Subs. Really I get it. I'm not great but you're not hurting my feelings here. And basically from then on any time I saw a sunflower in game. I would just punch it and be like down with the kingdom. You still do I still do it and no one really? Is why so anybody for the past two years has been wondering why I punched some flowers as they down with the kingdom. You now know why I mean, that's the dirt that that City. Yeah tastes good. Exactly. That's funny really does iMovie we did kind of crush realm of survivors to be fair. Well, yeah that was unintentionally though. I only invited five you are all like really active and Meet me on fire were like quite close back then and I remember we left because her and naps another player. They had built like a was it a mill office. Maybe you helpful. Not as well. I built the mail office you built a Memphis and we got there and I was like a piece was blowing out and I was like Stone and stuff that was missing. We knew that and they were like, so we message layer someone grave that could you maybe like three roll it or And they were like no no, no whilst it was The Lure was fire. We're like no but stone is missing so many obviously like grief that they were like, no no, no, it's down here. They just kept being like they just didn't care. Like if you weren't part of that little click they didn't care that's sad and that was sort of forest like yeah, we don't want to be in a place where our admins don't do anything. Exactly. Yeah, you are just started gummy craft. So we just hoped over at least I remember saying to fire like all right. I'm out. I'm going to do that. Yeah, she was like, all right, I'm joining Yeah, we actually burn both our own bases. Yeah, you guys told me that you both are like make big wooden houses. So we were like, well, that's that's why it's our own stuff burn. That's kind of cool. So we did that and then they Bend guess we burned our own place. I mean we didn't care because we wouldn't go back anyway, but it was a bit awkward like we there was a round thing. Why can't we burn it you creeps your own thing that still griefing banhammer, I guess. Yeah. Well I didn't care if she was just like over it come across very better. And yeah people just like that like I get power I get to control you. Yeah, something like that stuff all that stuff man. Like I had an issue where my people like one person he had an idea that he was working on like a shop. He had an idea of a shop and another and he mentioned it briefly in a meeting maybe like months ago three months ago. And then another member. Had the same idea of a shop, which is it just selling light nothing like to creative or like unique in a way where you could say like you're copying my idea. But he said like whoa, probably copying my dear. So it's like you have one person that took a lot of time trying to set up this shop, but he's had like limited time to do so, so it's taking a really long. Time to even set it up which and they have another person that just happened to think of this idea. Forgot that he was going to make this shop and now they're they fought over it. They're like, well one person was like that's messed up you took my idea and then you know, the other side is like I didn't take your idea. It's I'm Sorry, but you know, I mean it's a fair. Yeah, like you could have it if you want but some people just get so hurt that they just don't want to even deal with it. So now it's like what am I supposed to do? As the server owner, how do you deal with how you deal with people like fighting against each other when you're supposed to be friends, right as it ties into real life too, you know. Yeah, we had that a little bit on disk or told where since Farms couldn't be built the same one because we're on spigot into things like which Huds and stuff like that couldn't be built. I remember early. Like a guy wanted to sell iron was like, okay. Well that's cool. You have an iron from that actually works. Go ahead and then another guy. Well, I want to sell iron to my arms bigger and better but for my shop. I'm just going to put a chest out with a sign on it saying I saw iron. It's like well, why don't you sell iron to the guy who took all this time to build a really nice shop on the cheap and then he'll pay you for the iron. He's already agreeing to pay you for the iron to supply his shop. And then he was just like no, I'm not doing that and they ended up quitting the serve. Well, so you try to just keep like the market area. I guess the shopping area kind of nice to everybody build a nice shop and stuff. Yeah. He just blew up the chest down the sign layer by stuff here. It's like right on dude at least put some effort into it Bankhead a was a van that just sold rambled a minivan. Yeah. It's like like an ice cream truck that a sort of window the site. I mean the moving on will stand with my face on it. It's a Low effort build but it's so much nicer than here's a chest with the line. Yeah. I didn't want to build a whole house. I didn't want to go so we'll sort of cluttered and I settled anyway, like sort of random stuff that I had left and I didn't want to invade the whole nice town with a big shop for that. So I'll just just put the fender. He didn't we had want to do with that. No. No, I just was slow and I remember oxenfurt because we'd have people join build a shop for some like random stupid stuff never really fully finish it and just leave and normally we would either just have some other person who wanted to build their tear it down and build their shop there or I would quote unquote sell the shop to them. Like look the shots pretty much pre-built. You just have to stock it with your item. Mmm-hmm. It's like no, but that's not my bill to take so you don't want to build anything. Anyways, here you go. So why join like a server like that when you don't want to build it's kinda like he was the guy who just built a farm in left true. Yeah, yeah people man the hats I had to how do you deal with that situation? What do people sort of fight and you know, no, no we yeah, I don't really how did it's uh, we have people trying to like we didn't really have that situation. Obviously, it's hard to sort of get to exact situations. I always goes to people I always try to offer the compromise and hope both parties agree to it. If they don't then it's kind of like Don't well. I've never run into the part where both people don't agree to the compromise other than this one guy and he just ended up leaving the server making my job easy. Yeah. For the rest, we generally had a sort of first come first serve rule when it came to shops. Like yeah, he was first. He already had the shop don't go build a shop and sell it for Less that that sort of a yeah. That's a that's okay. So we would give the guy you at the shop the advantage like we would just go to the other guy like, you know, just work something out or find something else to sell or whatever. That's just you can't you gonna do that? And then for the rest We sort of had the rule or it's not really a role, but we just didn't let people like you could reserve doing something like I want to build this but that would only last for like a week or a month or something. So if you know you have to build it you couldn't Reserve something for like half a year and then complain that somebody else. Yeah, if you had like reserve something you like. Hey, I can't play for the next month or so my life's gotten busy or whatever. You just had to tell us it's like hey, I'm going to be gone for a little while. Please keep my reserve on or whatever. It's like okay. Yeah, well do that but if we don't hear from you in six months didn't tell us yeah, we would just assume you're gone. Basically you were allowed to come back like it's all fine. You don't have to play. But yeah, if you're not there for a while we're just gonna assume you're not there yet fair, but I think you guys make a good point of compromise try to find a solution and have both parties compromise. Rather than try to listen to both parties as well people like having their side hurt. And if you ignore that then that just fuels the fire. Yeah. That's what we are. We had a guy who had a small iron from the did produce a lot but had a really nice shop then another guy who had no shop but a really large nice iron farm. It's like, how can you guys not see how easy this is one guy's willing to buy this. The supply you're obviously willing to supply it. It's like makes sense work together. Yeah, I want to say by the end. They both ended up leaving the server at some point in me a bank turned the iron farm that was giant into a community one that floated in the air. Nice. Yeah, I mean in general we just put that stuff for like grabs or just yeah, I think people's Pride just Inigo just get in the way of them making decisions logical decisions. We had a problem with so we had a lot of really Good builders on our server. I still stand by. I think we had one of the best public servers with like underrated good Builders and we'd have people join it really good. They're like, I just don't want to build next to this guy because he's too good and it's like, well, you saw the pictures of the server when you joined. It's like instead of being embarrassed of your build like a set guy for some tips and tricks and get to know your community little more all of us want to help each other. Well, I think that was also kind of if the nice thing most of those well in break, it's good Builders skills. Most of them didn't really saw it that way themselves. Yeah, but they really didn't mind like all of them really liked helping people out and getting better at the game and stuff. Yeah, which helped us. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know how many hours I've spent staring at a decoy build just cursing him underneath my breath for how good he was. He just puts so much and so little space. Yeah. Live decoy on the notice the dude does so much with so little it's crazy and not to mention he can talk you into an app. It's so calming. That's something that's so easy. Well, yeah. No, he's not boy. He's really relaxed. He's just call them I get it. I get it now, I guess some people just have that. Soothing voice. You should be like a yes. Those are audio bedtime story people. Yes, that would be awesome. Yeah would buy everyone in wuzzleburg. We had him on the podcast a little while ago. Yeah, it was encounter with episode. He was so eight but must have been eight. Yeah, it was definitely a fun podcast came up with some outside views and it's like dude we're talking about Minecraft and he's out here talking about some kind of crazy limitation Theory he's using and it's like wait, that's how you build so good. He true itself a little yeah. And I was awesome though. It really is and the fact that decoys Swedish and works at Ikea plays Minecraft on top of it. It's like the perfect alignment. It's like there's no way I mean somebody from Sweden who works at Ikea is already like that's it's comparable to me. That's what I picture Sweden as is just one giant Ikea Now everybody from Sweden listen to podcast going turn off click. Oh, yeah. I was thinking that like, oh boy. Hey, we label this episode of dirt true. I bet they didn't expect dirt and like I did on the country of Sweden. Yep. I bet you Sweden's an awesome place and I would love to visit there. I've pretty sure I would freeze my butt off though. I think it depends on when you go. I think the summers are quite Nice. Yeah, well, I'm used to like so I'm from North Carolina, which means I sweat nine months out of the years or not a year, right? Yeah any more dirt we want to bring up or how to work with communities and stuff how to keep the server up and running. Do you want to talk about that? That's a good one? Yeah, so common craft we always had what I called the lull. It's Like so you basically have a new update and for the next two months the servers are extremely active and then it slowly starts to die down where you have about three to four months in between the next update where you have one to two active players and I always was trying to figure out ways to kind of keep people going and stuff and that's where the idea for. The shopping area started was how do I keep players active and I saw hermitcraft had there. Shopping area and that that thing was always busy that that's where all the new builds were happening. So we started that and then for the final season of common craft we did the commie coins because they were so rare you kind of always had to be messing around on the server to get them which led to the custom villagers that traded a bunch of decorative blocks. How did you get the more you wanted off? So Bank set it up where if you killed what was it? A zombie spider skeleton was at witches, too. No, I think I think the Creeper Creeper. Yeah, I was all the basic mopes as I'd like to go there. Yeah, he changed it loot table. So whenever they would get killed him was it a one percent chance of dropping a spawn egg because Minecraft had the generic spawn egg when you clicked it didn't spawn anything looks like an empty spool Nike basically. Yeah. I don't think it works anymore. I think that's been removed from the game, but we had a server texture pack that Only redid the texture for the spawn egg. So instead of a spawn egg, you'd get something called a common coin that look like a coin and everything like that. And yeah, you just go around killing mobs. So I keep from Mom we found the best way. Yeah at one point. I thought about doing the custom achievements and then that would give you coins but that whole custom achievement thing was just too hard for me. Could you have just like made a mob farm AFK for a bit get the coins you could then the drop rates for kind of low, but I had a zombie firm that I use it to do like small repairs on Gyros and stuff. But that ended up giving me quite a bit of Kami go into that. You could Farm them. It just wasn't practical so you could only really by like custom heads that look like I don't know a tiny or block or something. Yeah, I think really wasn't much point to to like Farm it really hard. Yeah, and that was our biggest thing was driving like hey, how can we make this where people just don't build a giant farm to get unlimited coins all the time. Yeah, and the only way we could think about it was do small spawn rates. Actually, there was a time when you were getting well before they were coins you would get the spawn egg by upvoting the server. So obviously we were promoting the server in several different places and it was set up where if you went and upvoted the server add once a day. So you go to three different websites upvote of vote the server knew that and whenever you spawned it to the server it would give you a spawn egg as soon you logged in and that was the main way to get them till Bank came in and changed the loot tables for me. That's not bad. That's not a bad idea. Either though. Ya know it helped us. It was the sort of stomach voting system. Right? I've seen that old Public Services as well, too. Yeah, that was just how we could keep recruitment up to because we'd have about I don't know five or six people that were dedicated to not missing an upvote opportunity. So hmm, I praised those got was a little like you could see a what is it a list on top folder for that month? Yeah. There was like a tiny competition going on between like three people something like they wanted to be at the top. Wait, which kind of helps for all the episodes? Yeah, those guys kind of really kept us going at one point so mad props to them. Hmm for the rest. You just did sort of later on the at least you started doing like manual recruiting. I'm still not fully sure. I'll know you actually did that. So every week I would always do a post on Minecraft servers on Reddit because most of our people we got were from Reddit. So it's like well these other websites aren't helping In too much time working with them. I'm just going to drop them. So I did focused on Reddit and there is also a subreddit for people looking for servers. So I would spend my lunch hour just scrolling through there. And anyone I saw that kind of matched what we were looking for said hey, check out comic craft. Here's the link to our subreddit. You can see all the buildings and stuff. People are making YouTube videos and we got a couple players that way but it was just so much work recruiting players. With no no much return on that know for every hey come check out common craft I sent out. I maybe got one player. Mmm and Why should I just rephrase that better for every like 20? Hey come check out common craft. We only ended up with like one player, which was it horrible in the fact that it kept our server size small which meant it ran very very well like our TPS never really drop below 20. But at the same time you'd have people like we had one or two Australians and they had no one to play with because the time they played during the day was so I physically go out looking for somebody in New Zealand or Australia. So people would have people play with and there's not a lot. Yeah, it's hard Australians. Hmm. It's hard to specifically look for like sort of part of the world. Anyway, yeah. Like you gotta pursue some point. We also while you sort of said that but we also looked at sort of YouTubers because we realized from our own experience that YouTube is a sort of extra motivator to keep playing because she well you have an audience I guess. Yeah, so we thought let's try and get some more YouTubers on the server not turn it into a YouTuber server, but just try and get a few of them because they have more motivation to keep playing. Yep, and they usually try and put a little bit more. Our effort into the into certain things but then panel get demotivated and now yeah, or they are like too ambitious like we try to look for people that were smaller than us. Basically well many dots because I was smaller. I was kind of a small guy. Well, I'm still as I'm still a small the wrong. I'm tiny. Yeah, we didn't like ask a guy you would have like 20 times or subscribers or Nothing. Yeah, and then they were like no, I'm looking for like bigger subscriber guys. It's like you got a good 20 followers. Hey, I can see why you would want to play on the server that has like a lot of people with like thousands or something, but I got to start I don't like I don't like those type of people not a fan. Yeah. It's like it's just a shame. You're all small YouTubers when you look at it. So it's like why not help each other grow and get better together and I feel that we've done for the most Every one of the common craft guys when we left Ripple Ripple was very or left for ripple. They were very big on helping us grow together and we've all seen major increases because we work together and didn't try to leech off each other. Yep. I don't like those bleachers. Mmm guys like just stop really yeah. I'm not a fan of that either. It's not I've met quite of them quite a few. Them and that's why I can't I don't know what I want to be like you'll stop leaching from usually pretty confrontational but sometimes if you're not worth my times and I just don't talk to you but I'm too small to have that experience I guess but it seems like they would be boring people as well. They probably don't have much. Input I guess they're just trying to impress you. Yeah, at least that's what I'm assuming. Yeah. I mean, I'm still like I said microscopic. I think I have a hundred and twenty nine Subs. So I've never had anyone try to leech off me obviously because that being so small but like when it comes to streaming I'm larger on mixer like I'm still kind of small there with 500 something Subs, but I'm larger than a lot of the new people coming over from twitch and I get people advertising in my thing or trying to join a play with it's like no guys seriously not cool this Shameless self, but it's like join our Discord and if you're a cool guy, I don't mind hanging out and recording and doing videos and stuff. But just to jump in my thing and promote yourself and leave not cool. Yeah. Don't do it guys, especially especially with me being as Tiny as I am. It's like no. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Also, I mean if you do that then you get how can you like continue without getting the feeling like yeah all they know me for us like being pushy. Yeah, just convert the kids just don't have just don't have that social. What's that word inept did you socially awkward? They don't know how to interact properly. Yeah, which especially nowadays since like instead of playing outside with your neighbors. You play indoors with video games even worse lie often woke the the dark with my girlfriend and then I see like a couple a younger couple walk together and they're both looking at their own phones. It's like yeah. Why are you making this walk? What's the point of going on a walk together if you're just occupied in your own space? Yeah, it's a new gender playing Minecraft Earth with microtransactions everything vir. Yeah, maybe well, that's that whole like what was that game second life or whatever. We're like get the really make your own second life. It's like, but you have a real one. It's like I get ya games are fun and a great getaway. But to make my entire life in a video game. I don't think that would be fun. I would just be at home playing video games on my video game. Yeah, but people refer to like the normal state, but I get why that game is successful because people like think it's not unachievable in real life if they do in a video game. Yeah. Anything is possible if I also remember a lot of people Talked about it. It's sort of being you can go stay went to to work in that game. Like they had a job inside the gate never like now. I don't have to go like travel for an hour or sometimes you get to my work I get can just do it from here. I kinda can see the benefit from that but I didn't know they were actually learning a real income. What? Yeah how I think I think selling clothes and they're like designing and selling clothes and that kind of stuff start of a big deal. What if you were good at that you can actually like make my dad makes sense. That's pretty cool. I don't know if it's still going I'm a but it was big enough to sort of support that like people just bought stuff from each other. Dang. I mean, I don't know what everything was still was available. But yeah, I remember seeing a lot about that kind of thinks. Wow, jeez. I didn't never knew that was possible so much. I say that which Minecraft you have the skin makers in the mapmakers and stuff. I'm sure they're profiting off that or at least they should be well nowadays. You got YouTubers as well go in the Next Room that they sort of and I know some several owners make money. Yes A Pixelmon guy. I edited a trailer for him and he has like A couple servers running. I always like a good a hundred people playing on there, but he makes money off of it not much but he makes money off of it. See you could thanks could have a good work. I remember owning a was just for a short while so server for a different game and I was it was still in that like Early Access thingy. There were a lot of like pretty much all the servers had like, oh, yeah for like, Five dollars you can buy this kit and basically you would just buy like a ton of well weapons and all that and I obviously refuse to do that because I don't want to pay to win server. Everybody was like, oh, why don't you do that? Why don't you do that? And I guess if I had done that I would have I mean the guys who did that made quite a quite a nice amount of money like a lot of people both those kids and so it's I mean, yeah you can make it. My steel with money on that as well and see if I were to do something like that nowadays. I don't think I'd still do it for money. I would be like, hey, here's an super Opie storage. You can have 12 copper coins get the grinding. Yeah, I mean I would like to play if I owned a server I'd like to play on that myself obviously and I'm gonna own a server on my game that I don't like and so I'm not gonna Implement stuff that I don't want to see that's the whole point of starting your own server, right? You can make your own roles in the way it is. Yeah anyone else likewise getting ready to say I actually somebody has go ahead and get ready to go. So, yeah, I think we've pretty much almost make like well we pretty much Makes yeah, we really did. So now I need to talk to Carla and be like, hey, we're gonna release this midweek or do we want to save it for the next week? Let's make it like one to party. Yeah, just in one go. Well, we'll figure it out. Yeah, but Bank you can be found on YouTube and Twitter social media links in the in the description. Yes. Oh boy. Are we bringing new wing it just doing it. Yeah, you can find me there but let's switch it around you do that stuff and I'll do your stuff. You want me to read your bottom? That sounds really weird. All right. If you want to contact the show send an email to podcast that ripple effect that some people come Swedish turn on disk or just do that. That's the best option and yeah links are in the show notes. Yeah, the show has been brought to you by Bank of myself also dish producer Carl he ends up putting the show in the right spot. And that were those guys like the X-ray that's not a cool spot for our show to be the Amazing Music you hear in the intro and outro is Created by decoy. Both their links can be found in the description below Nina where can everyone finds you again? Find me at Twitter and twitch livestream on the weekends at night and Nina, very cool. Look at the show notes show. No Carl's got nothing. Yeah. Thank you guys for hanging out and getting withered with us and I guess digging in dirt because this is the dirt episode. Yeah, let's see like always bye guys. See you later.

In this special episode, DuDs and Bank are joined again by NynahNina, the owner of Lionheart SMP and a Twitch streamer to discuss how to deal with your community as a server owner. There is also a new 1.15 snapshot that fixes some bugs, helps with modding the game and improves parity between Java and other versions of Minecraft. 1.15 snapshot blog post: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-19w36a Podcast Website: http://rippleeffectsmp.com/podcast Contact the show: [email protected] The Withering Effect Discord: https://discord.gg/gqnKyeZ The Ripple Effect Twitter: https://twitter.com/rippleeffectsmp Guest:  Nina's Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/nynahnina Nina's Twitter: https://twitter.com/NynahNina Hosts: DuDs YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Twitter: https://twitter.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Mixer: https://mixer.com/DuDs_vs Banks YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyg7sNFi_qMG2pRtTM4046w Banks Twitter: https://twitter.com/AardappelBank Banks Mixer: https://mixer.com/BankAardappel Digital Producer:  CarlRyds YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/carlryds CarlRyds Twitter: https://twitter.com/carlryds Music: DiiKoj YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DiiKoj DiiKoj Twitter: https://twitter.com/DiiKoj Podcast hosted by: Anchor.fm

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Hello, welcome back for episode 21 where the increase we are going to dive into this episode talking about where the increase, you know, whether you are having a slow period and you don't have any bookings coming in or maybe you do have a ton of bookings coming in but it's still a really good time to re-evaluate from last year what was working and what wasn't talked about some things that you can just be doing, you know during the slower period while you are answering emails and getting bookings coming in. Still a great time when there's less events to just kind of give your business a refresh overall. So we're going to tie all of that together before we do. We have a few things some exciting things that we wanted to go over. So Sarah, let's start with our Facebook group. Yeah. We just want to encourage you guys to join in on the conversation with our Facebook group The Creative photo booth group. I know it changed from creative photo booth podcast group recently. Yes to now create a photo booth. Group, you know, we are just extending the conversation even more within this group and just growing as a community for all photo booth owners. We talked about just running a photobooth business literally tips and tricks to help you when you're at an event whatever it is. We just want to extend that conversation and get us chatting more within our community and we hope that you guys, you know, join our group. We've been seeing a lot of requests in the last week and it's just so exciting to see everyone One being part of that. So don't forget to join our Facebook group and just a couple more points on that if you have just joined welcome and overall whether you have joined you've been there a while or you want to join just a couple things. It's not meant to solicit. It is meant to add value and learn from each other as a growing community. And so far everyone has definitely added value that's in the group. However, partially due to the fact that we're We really do curate the request. We do not accept everyone and I hate to say that because everyone is welcome. But you know if in the answer is because we have questions, you know, if you answer it and you are kind of seeming like you're just wanting to promote your own style and your own business and you're not really wanting to like add value. We really don't accept so point being answer the questions, you know, heartfelt and come into this group to add value and learn from Each other just as much as you can teach, you know, don't expect to just come in and hey, you know everyone learned from me. That's not what the group is about. So just wanted to point that out because we want overall this to be a community and a community is meant for everyone to learn from each other. So with that said, we also want to talk a little bit about our console. It's just for one second, you know, we get like a ton of requests for those and we've been having so much fun doing them. We talk one-on-one with you. And it's personalized in a video call to your business. We have a question. Are we we have you fill out beforehand to just help us like really understand where you're coming from and you know, this is for whether you haven't started your photo booth business, but you want to whether you just started and you're completely lost and don't know where to start or you've been in the business a while and you just have a couple questions and maybe you you know, just have some things that you're like, I think I could grow in that area or I just need to refresh - or I'm feeling, you know creatively in a rut or stagnant, you know, we can help with all of those things. We both have passed in, you know, doing website design and consultations business coaching that kind of thing. So that's something we're passionate about if you do need help there one hour consult, so please message us email us and we will give you information about that because we love seeing everyone that we've worked with so far. We love seeing your businesses grow and that is our ultimate. Go for it. We want you to succeed. We want you to have money rolling in bookings rolling in if you want you to have happy clients working with the clients that you love and you're passionate about and doing what you're passionate about. So, please reach out to us about that. If that's something you need. And then the last announcement that we have we are actually going to save for the end of the episode, but we wanted to say that it's really exciting. So you sure not wait. Yeah be sure that the end of the episode to stay tuned for that. And I think that concludes all of our announcements. What do you think? Yeah. I think that's it for announcements. We did have a quick little topic that we wanted to chat about we did get a request for that this week and it's all about spam messages and emails. I know we have all been there. I know Katie you've been there. I've been there many times. I don't get it. Yeah, so this is actually a topic that I've been wanting to talk about. Just not on an entire episode, but I wanted to just kind of talk about it. It in the beginning of an episode and then we got a request for it. And so I was just like okay, we just need to dive into this. So basically, you know on the topic of spam. I feel like there's still photo booth owners. There's photo with owners that are listening that are going to their role in their eyes right now because they're like, yeah. Yeah, we hate those emails. They're terrible and then there are the photo booth owners that have not experienced it and have no idea we're talking about and Sarah. I remember you were there. Yes, but I've heard We're talking and you know in short Sarah got an inquiry and she had not gotten a Spam inquiry before and then she read it to me and she was stoked like she was stoked on it. It was this for this what Yacht Company? Yes. It was. What was it was the company? Yeah. I think it was a per boat company. Yeah. Yeah like a huge Boat Company unlimited budget. Of course, just like a really cool event. They wanted. Us right for like a couple days or something for like an event down in San Diego and I was like, this is amazing. Like this is a brand and Company we would love to work with this is so cool. I actually contacted tap snap our photo booth manufacturer and distributor and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll help you out with this is great like because this was a huge client. So I just wanted to get a little extra help with this and then I guess I don't know. I wouldn't when I was when I say it like a week into conversation with them. I was like, okay, this isn't making any sense. Well, I'm and it you you told me about it and I told you right away. I was like Sarah that is Spam. Yeah, and you're like no way that's all possible. She had a picture and everything and and to agree. It just sounded very corporate. I guess where I was like, okay, maybe it is but maybe it is Isn't I'll just keep responding to like see where the conversation goes. You had never dealt with Spam before l. So this was my very first and my end I was saying I every single time we talked about it. I said I am like 99.9% sure. This is Spam. However, I'm not you know, this is not my company and I'm not going to tell you it's Pam then it's an actual client and then I like screwed you over kind of thing. Yeah, so I was like you do you but I'm just telling you The spam so this is what we actually did. So I would say a week into the conversation back and forth back and forth Randall called the venue location and he said hey, we got an inquiry for you know these dates at your event space. Do you have anything on the schedule for an upcoming event or whatever we're trying to figure out if this is a spam message or not and they told us oh, yeah, we don't. And we actually are booked for an event but not that event. We don't have anything like that and we've never heard of this person's name before so I believe it's probably spam right that was kind of our glue. Yeah, so just kind of like, you know for anyone that has no idea what we're talking about just to give like a quick rundown on how I knew it was spam. First of all, why do we get spam messages? Your guess is as good as mine. Yeah, but it really don't know it is for some reason. I don't know who decided at what point photobooth owners were the best Target but somewhere someone and like I think it's like a ton of people, but they and they're usually foreign and I say that because the way they email it's like, okay, seriously, like you're clearly not American I can you know, you're the way your wording things you're missing a few, you know? Yeah words. And it's like broken English. So yeah, I don't know like who decided that photo booth owners were the ones to Target but for whatever reason we are a huge Target and it's so common like I remember, you know for the longest time and one of the Facebook groups that I'm in for photo booth owners. It was like a Hot Topic and everyone. I mean everyone all day long every day for several days, you know, maybe weeks I don't remember I was just constantly seeing these like new spam messages and everyone just I can't believe you know, and it but it wasn't just isolated. Then it happens literally all the time. Like I just got one. I think I got to recently actually and it just happens all the time. But what they say is, you know, it starts off as a normal inquiry and sometimes they aren't really broken English. Like it really like yours had like a normal thumbnail picture in the email and the name was like a regular person that American name. It was like Kelly Smith or something it was Christie Smith, yeah. Yeah, and she just you know, she quote unquote it right they just for you. It was super believable the ones that I usually get are you know, they're like, okay also if they ask for a sweet 16, I was just going to say that that is that's like the hot that's hot regret number one clue and we get so many messages on Instagram about it. I don't know why I do I have Halves as well, you know, yeah, they will message us on Instagram. Hi you available for sweet sixteen meeting for six hours or eight hours or something crazy. I'm like first of all so you don't even that service that many hours. Yeah, right and then and then like, you know, and that's actually really obvious one but a like there's been times where it's not obvious. So just kind of in general they do have the same script though. It basically starts off where you know, They say like like your San Diego one and the ones that we get that our sweet 16 they kind of have the same theme, but they're basically like hey, are you available? We need you for this crazy amount of hours, you know, whether it's like a two-week event or a 6-hour sweet 16 like who parties in a photo booth for 6 at I mean? Hey, maybe someone that's listening has gotten a sweet 16 that's like six hours. But yeah, usually those are my corporate events. They're not my parties, you know, the Is like a four-hour for parties, so they asked like a ton of you know hours that will kind of like rack up your bill and then using the pricing and they're like looks great what I need to do to book and then you tell them and they're like, perfect. No problem. Can you send over the contract? Like I think you actually sent the contract to the Celiac like said she went really far and the I don't I still am not sure and you know, maybe if someone He's listening and they want to post on the Facebook group. If they have this answer other than maybe getting credit card information and and personal information. I'm not sure like and I don't even know why they think any of us would go for this. Yeah, I really don't know like I don't want to make any sense. But basically they're like, okay awesome. No problem. We're going to pay your million dollar bill at least like six hours totally good price is not an issue and then they're like, but real quick. Can you do me a favor? Yeah. If you hear that run, yes, do not respond back. If you want to respond back. That's when you know, like okay, this is spam and I really don't care anymore. There was like, can you do me a favor? All right. Yeah. I need you to pay the DJ / wedding planner / for Ritter who ever know insert whatever vendor and then I'm gonna like pay you extra and then you're going to pay them for me. But then you're also going to take your feet out of it and it's going to be like like I'm across seas and it's To help me out because I like can't get to my checkbook. I can't pay this vendor side again. Okay, thank you for your time and inconvenience drugs. Yep, like what I would that's like inconvenient for me. I'm not gonna do that totally and why would I go? I mean, I don't mean have enough money like just sitting in my account to pay five or six thousand dollars to forests or just a willy nilly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's like six grand. Yeah, just like to float somewhere. You know. Yeah, so Randall was actually trying to figure this out because when I know when we got our first one he like was calling you on the phone. Like what is their deal? Like I totally get it. I'm like Rambo. I promise this is Spam and he's like no I'm going to figure this out and I'm like, you know, I promise it's spam. He literally thinks about this all the time and he's just like trying to wrap his mind around it constantly and I think he came to the Asian that basically what they're trying to do is take your money like to put it into this account right this account that they have they let it sit in this account. Once the bank realizes what it is like I guess they ping it as like fraud then it like is obviously in their account then they have to like wait for it to go back into your account I guess and basically you get screwed over in the Long Haul because As you're paying this money to this spam person and it's just going directly to their account but sitting there and then you get all the charges because it's trying to come back to your account. But now it can't because it's obviously so yeah, so he's like just trying to figure this out and I know like with certain Banks, you know, they have like say three to ten day, you know, like post date or whatever for it to like actually go through or the transaction. So I I think with Spam like their hope is to like I guess get this money direct deposited into their account somehow. I really don't know like I don't understand this. I would never ever ever do this for someone or give out any information but it's just it blows my mind. It's crazy that they would even spend this much time trying like they seriously try so hard. Yeah, I do it all the time and then another one that I've gotten that people. And doing really recently is they like I don't even have to try to see if it's spam because the first email I get is like high you available for sweet sixteen five hour and then like that's just how they sound and I'm like, yeah like you just know that's no lie. You ever look at the email address? No, I don't even I don't even care. I'm just like delete but they always look at the email address to if you Are like looking at another step to kind of like way these options but usually like spam is a weird email. Like it will have numbers in it and dashes and names and you're like, okay, this is weird well, and that's okay like to have broken English like, you know, I've gotten clients that you know, I actually had one guy that booked me for oddly enough. I had one guy that was Vietnamese that booked me for his daughters. Sweet 16. It was a It party. Oh my God. That's I thought he was spam. Yeah, so broken English is totally fine. I get it. Yeah, but it's like the sequence of what like they're saying it is just clearly spam. It's not so much that it's like broken English. It's that mixed with what they're saying that it's just very clear and one of the things they put in now is an address like like an actual residents and I don't know about you, but if I was inquiring with the A photo booth I would just say at a private residence. I'm not going to send my home address or the party that I'm having. I have a dress. I always Google Map it if they do provide redress the warehouse. Yep. That's usually what it is or like an apartment complex or something weird. Like do they think we're stupid. I really don't know and I don't know why it's just photobooth owners because as a wedding planner, I never heard of this. I don't know if you've heard of it as a photographer. But like this interpreter, I feel like no other wedding vendors are getting this and correct me if I'm wrong, but I never saw these spam emails coming in especially when I was working for a wedding planner. So I don't know bringing Everything full circle. That's it. That's why in the beginning. I started this topic and I said, I don't know who decided that photobooth owners were the easy target. Yeah, but for some reason we get targeted, I don't know why so if you're out there and accidentally we started this thing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I would love to hear what happened. You know, if you did go through with a transaction, please put what Facebook group and if for any reason this happened to you and you weren't able to catch it and you didn't know because fraud is fraud and sometimes we you know, we don't catch it and you really have to be you know on your game and really like looking out when you get emails. Yeah, definitely so I guess Kind of that's why we didn't want to do like a whole episode on it just because it's not even like a positive thing. You know, it's just it just gets under your skin and it's something we all hate and like it seriously makes me cringe when I see these messages because I'm like do I have to respond? I don't respond. I just know I usually get at this point because they've just gotten they've gotten worse. The script has gotten worse for sure. But let's talk about increases on a positive note definitely dive. Been so kind of recapping what I was saying earlier, you know, we just wanted to do this topic because it really applies to any time of the of the year. But right now whether you have events or not, it's definitely a slower season, which is just a great time to kind of evaluate where your bookings are what's been working what hasn't so just kind of diving into that. I also feel like for me this year last year. I feel like maybe I had less increase around this time, but I feel like this year. I have a lot more and I think one it has to do. If you know everything that I kind of know to do which is why I wanted to do this topic like kind of talking about it, but just kind of everything that I do around this time of year to maybe drive increase again and then to because I do all of these things I feel like Brides after the holiday they've kind of taken the break around Thanksgiving and Christmas and it's just so busy with the holidays and now they're in January with nothing to do except focus on their wedding. So I feel like this is a great time for brides to be, you know inquiring So I feel like if you are doing the things that you need to kind of refresh it's a great time and it's like, you know, they're emailing right now. You definitely feel like you get that have you been getting a lot of like wedding increase? Yeah all the time like every day Justin laughs, you know, I would say a couple weeks since the first of January honestly, and I know I struggled with this all last year. There are there's definitely certain gaps between you know, the busy month and the slower months, especially throughout the year because I feel like in summer We actually do have like cricket season in a way maybe because it's so hot out here. But you know when this happens, I feel like this downtime is just like improve our business and you know, we want all the inquiries coming in. Yes, but also are there things like where we could take a step back in a way and just I guess utilize this time to better our business exactly and that's kind of why I wanted to talk about you know this Sewed because regardless it's like, you know, we all go through these periods where we're like wait where the increase and yeah, these are things you can do anytime of the year, but we felt like this, you know time specifically would be a great, you know time to do it just because this is a lot of the times I think the the time where we have like less going on and I think being you know the new year as well, right? So SEO is I think a great you know, Just something that kind of needs to be refreshed all the time. So, you know, if you have like downtime then I feel like you know through the holidays again in Fall. It's like really crazy and for me specifically, I know I kind of let SEO go a little bit. So first thing I usually try to do come January is aside from working on something for me like taxes and tax prep. I refresh SEO, you know, you need to kind of look at what are your keywords now because what your keywords were six it's ago might not be your key work now because Google algorithms are always changing and if you don't know anything about SEO, I used to think it was extremely difficult to understand. It's actually pretty easy a quick Google search and just kind of like figuring out you know, what keywords are and the algorithm just like what that means that can go a long way without having to like really understand everything. However, if you do need help on this errand, I this one of the topics we cover for our consult so If you are at all confused on the SEO topic, but I just try to refresh, you know, my SEO on my website and kind of get that going because I've noticed like the times that I do that increase just flood in and then when I let it go and I'm not keeping it up in like watering. It's like a plant. Yeah, you kind of have to like refresh it keep it in the sunlight water it and it'll grow, you know, when I'm not doing that I notice, you know increase from Google and those places kind of stopped coming in as much. Much so that's definitely a great place to start. Do you have any thing to happen to you? So I always do a Google search for just desert Luna or luna photo booth or photo booth near me. I'm always looking on Google to see just kind of where we are on the map. You know, like you want to see where you're located. You know, if I were a client, how would I find you and what is a way to make it easy for your clients to find you and I utilize, you know on our website. Blogging especially for SEO and uploading photos and it's just a great thing. Especially when you're you know, I guess talking to your potential clients in a way and they get to see all of your work and they get see all these cute photos. I think it's just really important to always have your SEO going for you because it's going to work in your favor. No matter what and so that's just a huge tool that you should utilize especially, you know, every couple months just updating. It and refreshing it. I would honestly say doing it every month would be great because it's just going to bring in more but if you're doing it every two to three months, that's fine too because I know I've slack since Christmas time. Exactly and that's why it's like my number one go-to for this month because a lot of times we do slack in it in the previous month. So yeah, it's like restart, you know refresh for the new year. And if you do want to see where you are like on Google whether you're on page one or page To using an ink incognito page basically just you know, when you are Googling yourself in just like a regular page your page has all of your information like where you are what pages you go to frequently and it's going to bring up results based on that. So if you open up an incognito page, it kind of like erases all those cookies and like the data that it usually brings up for you and it It will like show you actual realistic view not just like a biased view knowing that you know, if I was to search badass Booth, I'm always doing stuff with that us Booth. So it would definitely bring up, you know in a regular page it would bring up information about badass Booth whereas in an incognito website. It doesn't know that it doesn't register that I always Google badass Booth or that I'm always looking it up. So it'll show me like realistically without that bias search. So that's really great. Tip if you want to know where you are and where you stand definitely I feel like I need to do that more because I always use my phone or my computer and it probably not that already right and it know so it's just going to bring up, you know, yeah based on like what you search it's going to bring up relevant content so that it's important to do it from you know, either someone else an Apple Store. Yeah, exactly. So I know who you are, and yes actually give you better results. So Keep that in mind. So SEO. And again, if you need help with it, please contact us because that is something that we can I Malika talk about we will do an episode on SEO eventually, but it's just it's a long topic. It is definitely like a lot, you know, and it is a service that we do provide. So if you say hey Katie Sarah, I need your help. Can you can I hire you to do SEO? Yes, we will do it for you. So, you know going down just some like a short list that I made. Updating your pricing with vendors and contacts I think is really important because you know, they they have 20/20 clients. So going into 2020. If you've changed your pricing, you know, get it in front of them. Tell him, you know, let them know send it to him. Like, you know, I just always go by the rolled, you know, they whether you have relationship with them or not does not matter the rule the like same principle applies, you know, they don't know unless you inform them. So same thing like they don't know who You are unless you and you shake their hand and like you introduce yourself. It's the same thing with your pricing get ahead. It's the new year go ahead and like put your best foot forward send them your PDFs and in your brochure, whatever you have and then they have it and then that reminds them if they have a client that needs a photo booth. Oh, you know and I have their brand-new 2020 pricing in this brochure PDF. So you got something else I recommend doing I definitely do that to I'm actually working on mine right now. I want to send it to every wedding planner that we worked with this. Here, you know they are doing the job and planning their couples weddings, you know, why not just extend that business card or your portfolio and say hey, I'm here. I've eliminated that search for photo booths for you and I'm here to service you and your client and I think it will just build more trust with them and you'll just have you know, the tools to send that their way and say, hey we're here we'd love to work with you again, you know such a blast working with you in the past. And you know, we did update some of our pricing for this year, you know, here you go. Here's all of our information and I think that will just make you stand out from other photo booth owners as well in your area and then kind of on the same topic reach out to new contacts for the year because it's their down season two. So if there's a wedding planner that you haven't worked with but they're in your area of this is our great time to work, you know reach out to them and offer something to them. Don't just send your Racing but offer to sit down for coffee or you know, maybe offer I don't know a demo of your photo booth. If you are new, I feel like someone that's been in the business for a while would probably like I don't like doing that but you know, just I mean, it depends on how bad you want to make the the connection I guess but you know offering them something to their clients is a great way to make a connection. But yeah, that's the reason I've seen like little gift boxes where it's like, you know a little candle or something for their Desk with a business card and just something to remember you by, you know, like you could put all of your branding on the box or the business card or even the candle, you know, just make it fun for them where they I guess remember you in a way and it's just, you know, extending your business card and utilizing all your tools that you have just make it something that's really useful for them to at the same time. Like do them a favor basically But yeah, I think that's that's a great idea. I actually have known several that's like a common thing with photographers. They do that a lot for wedding planners that family or even just like returning clients. Yeah, if you look at it where if you were to go to say home goods and get a $5 candle and say a five dollar notebook. That's $10. You can get a box at Michael's for $3. So $13, you know, whatever shipping is send. It's a 15 20 bucks total send it their way. Say no to the planners that you absolutely love working with and who knows like you could get so much potential business from them throughout the year what is $20 to the thousands, you know, and so if you've worked with them so that anyway I say I enjoyed last year looking forward to another year or another decade, you know, whatever you say and then they'll tag you on Instagram and there's more exposure. There you go. Yeah, bring it in the inquiries. Yep. Instagram is such a powerful tool. You guys I use this all the time even in stories, you know, like if you aren't that busy this month act like you're busy fake it till you make it you know, like oh, we're so booked already halfway books this year. Like even if you're not it's okay like you want people talking about your photo booth or just excited about it. And oh my gosh, I need to hurry up and book them before it's too late. You know, I think this is a really good way to just say hey get on it before it's too late because because you know people can miss out on an opportunity with you and two things on that one Sarah does that but she actually is like how I blocked that yeah legit like I've seen her increase and I'm like, oh my I was talking to Joel. I was like, oh my gosh Sarah I had his like she's like practically booked up for this year. Like, how is this even possible? I mean I'm like getting there for sure, but it's January and now I'm nervous like you're like triple booking and I'm like Yes, I'm her this are you so much work like awesome obviously and worked really hard. But yeah, so yeah, she's not faking it. She's faked it and now she's made it. Yeah, and I mean, yeah, and I have faked it very very much to make it exactly and it's okay like it is okay to fake it to make it because you're setting the tone for yourself and your business and you want if you want to be successful fake it till you make it because Literally if someone sees you busy busy busy and like doing the business grind every day through me like, oh my gosh. I want to be a part of that or That's so exciting. I'm so excited for them. Like I better reach out immediately. I have events. You know that I need to book them for we had a couple girls reach out to us just in the last week like hey, I know you're getting busy. I want to book you for all of our events this year and they've already reserved their dates for the whole year. So like February March April May Yeah, and it's just really cool like oh I'll climb again. Yes. And so when you get those repeating clients that love you and know that you know, you're just there for them again. I say all the time just be there for your clients, you know, and if you can say hey, I love working with you guys. I know you're events during the day or whatever. It is during the weekday. We do a lot of events during the week that are actually during the day so like from 9 a.m. Or 11 a.m. To like two or three I offer them half off I offer them half off or packages because this is you know, an event that we wouldn't book anyway, so why not and what you know, they booked us continuously and there are repeating client and we absolutely love working with them. So I think just that in general is just helping your business get out there and you know your networking while you're at the event you're talking to these people and every time we're at an event we get so many Bookings and people seen our photo booth. So the reward is in itself, you know, so on that topic, you know, one of the things on my list was fine creativity through Instagram, you know, you can create photos you can create content and you can just get really creative with it or you know, think of new prop ideas new backdrop ideas activations, you know, this is a time to really get in your office or you know, your creative space wherever you work and whether it's a Coffee shop, whatever it is and just grab a notebook and start writing down ideas get on Pinterest get online, you know don't necessarily could other photobooth owners because you want to just find inspiration in like places that aren't necessarily photobooth owners because that's kind of where you're going to create the best and like most unique ideas. But just, you know find inspiration through whatever you get inspiration from and let ideas kind of start connecting the dots for you and just, you know write them down. Own and then try something new that you haven't with Instagram, you know, whether that's like a prop flat lay or something like that just create because as long as you're creating there's nothing bad that you can create that feeling and I think our clients really enjoy like I guess being reminded of like what you have part of like your prop collection or your backdrops or being part of like Instagram story polls or questions and stuff like that. So, I think it's just a fun. One way to like interact with your potential clients or your past clients. Were there like reminded of your service and that you are still behind that service and this is your business and they're supporting you I think it's just a good way to connect with that and be creative and have fun with it. So I can't wait to see all your stories you better tag us. So yeah, it just coming full circle to like how that ties into the where the increasing it keeps you like if you are creating content whether you Of content right now whether you have events or not and whether you do or not still use this time to be more creative than just events you're staying top of mine. And so when you post on Instagram or you know, Facebook or whatever you use you are, you know, you're putting yourself out in front of wedding planners clients, you know past clients that kind of thing new potential clients and you're putting yourself at top of mind and they are like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go email them or you know, kind of going back to what you were saying. When you're putting yourself out there, even if you have to fake it till you make it exactly it's not they just want to know you're passionate like, you know, even if you're just posting the same, you know events over and over but in maybe a new way or you're just creating new content. They just want to know that you're passionate and you're working on your business because when you are passionate you're working on your business and you're putting new content out there that saying that they can trust you to be just as passionate like this is what you do, you know, you're not just crickets and You know just like refresh and this is just a great time to do that and kind of get those increase kind of coming back end because people you know get busy and they really don't know to just email you you have to like remind them that you're there you have to put it in front of them. I know I've said to you once or twice like with Instagram, I like to wake up with my clients and I like to go to bed with them because I want them to see us like when they wake up like just a fun photo or whatever. Ever it is and then if I post that night, you know, they're looking at vendors on Instagram. They're looking at hashtags. Who can we book for are wet? And you know, like I want to go to bed with them where they're like, oh my gosh, that's the cutest photobooth. We need them for our wedding, you know and just make it personal like at night. I'll say, you know, we had a busy day. Don't forget to reserve your date or whatever it is. So they are always like seeing that and they like have us in the back of their mind so Like that's just really important to like be fun and creative with it. But also it's kind of like a sales pitch add in a way of like getting those inquiries. So that is a really good tip to keep in mind and you know, post one to two times a day but be consistent with it and you'll see the reward really quickly. Don't post more than that because I feel like that's just a little excessive honestly. If you can only do one a day just do one a day just it's like whatever. Ever allows you to be consistent or you know every other day if you have a full-time job right now and you're still trying to get this side hustle as your full-time job, you know, just whatever you do just be consistent. I would have to say really quick too. I know Randall mention this other day. He was looking through his Instagram and I just think it's crazy with the algorithms out there. He was like, I follow like a thousand people and I'm literally only seen three to four people. Day, so let's probably the ones he interacts with exactly keep that in mind, you know, if you are waking up with your client or going to bed or whatever it is or posting three times a week. That's fine. Like that is fine. If you're posting three times a week post a couple stories just to remind them. Hey, we're here Rick you're like in the background and they're going to see you because you know the longer you wait to post you're just going to fall, you know to the backend of things where your client isn't really going to see it. You know and so you just always want to pop up in those first few little stories, you know, so I always feel like that's really important. Yeah posting and like knowing kind of when the best time to post is for your region and based on you know, like the podcast I think our like our audience is definitely West Coast for sure. So we kind of have to post accordingly even though I'm on the east coast and then Sarah same thing like you post for your Ask Coast audience but for me, I'm on the East Coast. So I want to post you know, if I'm posting it like 7 a.m. You know for you that's for am but instead like here my clients are waking up at 7:00 a.m. You know what I mean? So it is definitely important to know kind of like as far as posting goes when your clients are waking up. So we are in the future going to do an entire episode on Instagram. Don't worry. We have like a whole season to coming. Yes. It's all coming you guys. Yeah. We cannot wait. And you know, if you have requested topics, don't worry, we have a running list and we were going to cover all of them. It's just obviously we can only do one every time we record so it's a long list and we're getting through it. But yes for excited for season 2 back onto this episode though kind of wrapping up just to you know, final things that I wanted to say on, you know, how to drive increase in like what you can be doing during this time. The first last one is up. Your website and portfolio. So not just SEO but update your content update your photos, you know the copy that's on your website and just give it a refresh. This is a great time. You don't you don't have to like redo your entire website, but just give it a facelift, you know, if you have like cool events that you're doing, you know throughout last year and through the end of last year and maybe you have some fun photos that you can update with the newest events that you have do that. And if you've perfected like a skill say with lighting or just It better photo quality, whatever it is, you know just update those photos with new ones because we have these amazing events and we've actually gotten better at it and we've perfected our skill a little more. So update your photos and I think just updating it with your website and then also any like platforms that your clients are finding you on. So if that's Yelp or Google or wedding wire, whatever it is, you know update those photos to so it's all consistent and I could see that and they just fall in love with your photo booth and your brand and who you guys are you know the last thing? Is don't watch the clock. This is not you know, how to drive increase its how to not drive yourself crazy, you know waiting for the increase to drive in do all the things. We said update your website your portfolio work on Instagram get creative create new content new photos, pull your photo booth out and create photos, you know, you have the photo booth that can create content for you, you know, so do that Do all of these things, you know SEO, you know, refresh your contacts send out new pricing, but do all of these things to kind of keep your mind off of just waiting for Greece to come in because I know I've been there whether it's been Fort Agra fee or early in my photo booth years. I would kind of just like wait for the increased to come in and I felt like I was going a little crazy and you can't force happen member exactly because it's like it's winter here and there's nothing to really do there's lots of them. Since you know, we do have events this month, but it's just not as crazy as it normally is and I love we have a like a lot going on. It's just fun and we love doing events. So if that's you and you kind of refining that way to just don't watch the clock do other things, you know aside from working on your business, you know do stuff with family. I know you guys have been commenting on Instagram that you're doing things like working on your laundry going grocery shopping taking your dogs for a walk do all of those things and enjoy life, you know, and you know, Will taneous Lee do the things that we've mentioned this episode but know that if you're doing these things like increase will come in. So just you know, enjoy this downtime and then be ready for the flood of inquiries. Definitely I always say whenever I'm busy working on our business, that's when all the inquiries come in it is so weird and ironic but somehow because you're working on your business. Yeah, somehow they just come in, you know, and I'm sitting at my computer. ER and they're just you have flooding in like I think we got eight or nine today and it's just crazy. Like I've been busy all day. I've created busy work for myself and I think when we can do that and say Hey, you know, like we need to like respond to emails or update a brochure or update our website or whatever you're creating that busy work to keep you not only occupied. But also just to like keep your business running in the way and also perfecting those skills with your These like Katie said I always like to extend I guess our sponsorships in a way so I bump it up usually if we're really busy. I do one to two a month, but when we're a little slower, I like to do 3 to 4 and that gives us more opportunity to connect with potential clients and do some really cool events. We do have an upcoming event with The Bachelorette and the bachelor the girls from Bachelor Nation. Yes. I am so excited and just because Of doing that, you know that is a sponsorship we're doing and they're so excited to have us and I am so thrilled to like be a part of that because I love watching The Bachelor every single week. But yeah just doing that like you don't know what kind of events are happening. I'm always looking on Instagram story or looking at venues and watching like what's happening within our community or whatever it is. If there is a local event happening, you know, I send them a message through Instagram. Hey, do you guys eat? Photo booth for that we have a sponsorship opportunity. We would love to put our logo or branding on your event or your flyer or whatever it is and be there to take all your awesome photos and that just creates you no more exposure for your business more opportunity for you guys to grow and work with new clients and it's just a fun way to like get involved with cool events. So keep that in mind start doing that if there's something that you want to jump on just do it, you know, and it's okay like it's okay to do. Do a free event every now and then especially in our slower months, you know absolutely do free events once in a while and it wrong with it. There isn't an it. Not only like humbles you in a way. I feel like it's just more rewarding because like will have new backdrops for these events, you know, and we get to photograph them and we get really cool content and we can basically create whatever we want because it's free so we get to do whatever we want with it, you know, and if that's a cool Template that you want to design or you know photograph a new backdrop or whatever it is take that opportunity and use it to bump up your business in a way. It's a new business opportunity on that topic. I did it for Target P Workshop a couple years ago with actually the photographer that's in the photo. We just post them on Instagram with the Box system and him and his like I don't know if they're best friends or what but they work. A lot together. They have their own I guess business together sort of like they're both photographers, but then they have this like collection that they do together. Okay where they have the two of them than other photographers. So the two photographers I'm talking about the one that we posted today and then like his I guess really close friend Logan Cole. Yes. It is Logan call. Yeah. It was a thought. Yes. He was a photographer at one of our weddings that we did. So awesome. He is amazing. He is my one of my top two. Actually, there's only one other one for tog refer icons. So yeah, I'm a little, you know fan girl. So cute. I was telling Sarah I at the conference I was standing against this wall waiting for the bathroom and he came up and he was like, hey, are you waiting for the bathroom? And I was like spooning like I was like, yeah, and he was like, oh, well, there's one around the corner. Okay, that's hilarious. And I didn't even know this like, you know, I honestly don't even know who is who out here in California. I really don't and you know, I'm editing photos. I feel really bad and Katie called me out. She's like are you serious right now? You don't know who this is. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, okay guys, like if you guys don't you're not in the photography world he put a grass Beyonce. Okay. That's awesome. He's just like and at that. That made him good, you know, because I know the story of actually how he even got the gig with Beyonce and it's it's just one of those like, you know who, you know kind of stories but regardless my point is that his work is amazing. He is really up there and you know Beyonce can hire him. You know, I feel like obviously he's made it definitely but I brought him up to say it's the story's not even about him. That was like a total Sidetrack. It's actually about the other guy his His friend. So but I had to tell you like, you know, I guess like saying how much I respect these guys. They have this like business that they do together where they're super expensive. So if you want their work, it's a lot like my photography that I have set up now where if you want to work with my company and you want my editing and you want the process and the experience that we provide but you don't necessarily have the budget to hire me specifically. I have other photographers that work under me and that it is yet. Right. Yeah. Yeah, so she has I'm calling the wedding artists because I feel like Associates just sounds too like Barbra topping. Yeah, it literally sounds corporate to me. Yeah, so wedding artist, you know, I love it. I love it sounding I guess I'm sounding a little too like, you know, it was so hey, it's okay. Yeah, so if you want to like work with them, it's a little less expensive. So they have that. Well that guy. Okay, that was like unrelated to that guy. Why that he works with local works with Tyler Branch if anyone wants to know who I'm talking about love him. He's amazing and he his work is just as good and he I did a workshop. He was saying in his Workshop one time, you know, he's done weddings on the Amalfi Coast and just like all over it just like beautiful work. And so I don't remember what the workshop like name was but one of the things that ended up happening like this is what happened. Logan colds to they had a topic but we always like steered off the topic and we ended up just kind of having like heart-to-heart conversations, you know, depending on who is in the class and what we kind of wanted to know and that was really awesome. So we ended up getting like just like a more like real like truthful behind the scenes of what was actually happening like with their photography. And the reason I'm bringing the story up is because it's very easy, like especially with you Sarah like you have I mean you really are getting like amazing work but like your office, T event recently with like the boom boom backdrop that was amazing. So you have like, you know, you're in California have great events, but for me to like I have awesome events and you know someone that is just starting off or you know is listening to this podcast that has been doing it awhile and is suddenly getting inspiration from the podcast and they're being introduced this new creative world. They could see someone like us or you know, someone just like smile Booth or whoever we la photo party who have these like amazing. Using acting I'm not talking about myself. I don't have amazing activation. But these people that have amazing activations and it's easy like even for me like anyone it's easy for anyone to compare themselves to anyone. And so when I was you know listening to Tyler Branch talk, you know, he was he was telling the story about how he's had wedding clients in the most amazing places and he's brought up like ideas to them and he's actually been shut down by a couple and it really hurt it actually hurt his creativity because You know, you would think oh, I've made it. I have these amazing clients and they're going to do whatever I want and you know, we're going to make it like and yeah that does happen for sure. You do amazing balloon backdrops and activations and that kind of thing but his point to that story and my point to this story is that he was saying his most creative work like the times that he can look back and actually feel like he really made like created something that he's super proud of his business it was X it he put it together and he paid for it himself and it was worth every penny. So, you know going back to doing free events, you know, that's basically the same thing as paying for it yourself. Yeah, and it's those times that you're going to walk away. It's not just about having events to show and show your clients what you can do. It's not just that like that is definitely a benefit like a, you know, benefiting Factor, but it's about doing work that you feel really inspired by and you feel like you're really creating something that you want. So if you see, you know work that I've done or work that Sarah's done or La foot apart a smile Booth or any of these photos with companies that are just creating these awesome activations. It doesn't mean you have to go out and buy like a 360 Booth or whatever. It is. Just find a way to be creative in your own business for your clients and just like feel into that and put your best foot forward and guess what your clients are going to Onto that if it doesn't have to be this like Grand thing, but just make it like what you want go to the drawing board and gather some inspiration and ideas. I love that and I think it's just I guess getting this inspiration where whenever we do a sponsored event. I have it in my head of this almost being like a styled shoot in a way where it's the possibilities of your photo booth. So it's like hey, you know, We're not going to do prints. We're going to do it all digital because you know, that's a cost but we can show off like our new backdrop. We just got or we can do some cute templates. Like for instance. We have all these cute galentine's Day events coming up, right so I'm like, oh my gosh, we've actually never really done a lot of Valentine's Day events before so this is our opportunity to get you know, I just bought a really pretty burgundy velvet backdrop. So we're going to use that and we're going to partner with our friend Ellen. And do a really fun, you know heart balloon arch and just some fun things to get you know photos with people in the booth and I'm going to create some really cute templates for all the girls. We have like thing. It's six or seven galentine's events. So I'm super excited about that. It's just really exciting and it's just your chance to create and make your business even more fun or do something that you wouldn't normally do like a styled shoot is usually for wedding vendors. That are wanting to show off their skills, you know, so why not show off your photo booth skills and have a really cool event that you know, you see in your community or close to you that you want to be a part of and say hey, I have a photo booth. I want to you know show off my skills and offer it to you guys, you know, we do a sponsored event every month. We love to be part of yours and just take that as an opportunity. Sometimes there's Event Photographers there you get photos from that. It's just really cool. It's a really cool way to just network with new people new vendors and just get your name out there even more. So I really love that Katie. That's awesome. And if you are wanting to do like a styled shoot type, you know event I guess if you know any wedding planners or you're in like a wedding planner it is are you in Tuesday's together? Say that again. What about Tuesday's together is no, I don't know if it's an East Coast thing but Tuesday's together. I don't know. I feel like they probably I don't know. I think they have them all over but Tuesday's together is a wedding vendor Facebook group and it's by region. So the one that I'm in is for Richmond, and I know they have other ones on the East Coast. I'm I would have to like search on Facebook. I was going to say Google on Facebook, but you know, just kind of look up. Tuesday's together see if there's one in your area. But basically it's you know vendors wedding vendors that are always looking for, you know, sometimes they're looking for while we're on the topic photobooth. So that's a good reason to get in but they're also sometimes looking for styled shoot vendors or sometimes someone will be like, hey, we're doing a style jute. Do you have this location? And then you could maybe comment and say hey I actually don't have this location. But if you're looking for additional vendors, I'd love to be a part of it and then Then you know there are already coming together and putting the shoot together. So you can shoot them an email like may start a conversation. But in this situation like I have done this on I have been in the situation. I've had like good and bad experiences in this situation. You need to show them how you're going to add value and tell them your plan and you need to make everything that you want to do happen. Like they are busy planning it styling it bringing the stuff that they need for the table. Getting the bride and groom hair makeup Flores like they are busy with all the act like all the other details. So if you're coming in as a vendor as a photobooth vendor that they don't necessarily like need it's a great addition, but it's not necessarily something that was original like originally part of their Vision. You need to bring what you want. So if you want like to include this awesome balloon backdrop that fits the colors and the theme that they're going for you supply that that was like not a mistake that I made it wasn't necessary a mistake. I just didn't know. No, I was doing a style sheet with a like a wedding planner here in Richmond. And you know it just I mean the whole thing like it just wasn't really it was like playing kind of last minute. And so that was like part of it but I kind of said I was like, you know, I don't really know like I don't know like connections. I don't know like what to bring. I like do I need like a couch or do I need to bring like a rock or something and basically my photo booth just ended up being like this awkward foot and it was a context it was like in the Front of when like the photographers were coming in because it was it was like a bunch of photographers photographing and they like came in and the way that it should blow and a workshop exactly exactly the workshop and the way the people that I was with kind of marketed it they were like, hey coming get a photo like the the photographers and I was like, I don't know. I don't know what photos are like the bride and groom. Yeah, but then there was nothing to my set up other than like my backdrop. So then I just like looked like Like this like bride that was super done up in just like my plane backdrop, which sounds cool because like if she's super done up than at least it's like a cool it just wasn't it just what it no. It didn't work out and see I used to do shootouts for photographers. I actually did that for a year and a half and I completely understand when it comes to a style shoe when we did get our photo booth. We actually got it at the end of 2018 I believe. And that's when I was kind of wrapping up the whole shootout thing but I always made sure that every vendor was like just involved no matter what you know and getting the photos that they needed for their business. So when I was doing that I always ask them, you know, what photos are important to you that you need to Market your business and I think if you were to say hey, I would love to be part of the shoot, but these photos are what I Need from my business like bride and groom using the photo booth. You know, I want to see a picture with the backdrop the bride and groom the photo booth just like a couple things don't get too crazy. You'll set a list and you'll set a tone for the photographers at the shootout and you know, the wedding planner the event planner planning the shootout can say, hey make sure that the photobooth vendor is getting these photos, you know, we want to make sure every vendor is being, you know taking care of in a way of getting Awesome photos from the vet but it's also a great opportunity because every time we did a shoot out all those vendors are tagging you on Instagram and that is huge because it gets your name out there even more and I think when I believe when you're tagged more and more and more through Instagram, it's just it just helps build your following just everything and it actually gets you on the explore page more. So if there is a ton of accounts or vendors just tagging all the The time it's going to help your business regardless, so I would say, you know do that every few months if you can and it will seriously, you'll see the reward in that as well. And I think that about wraps it up. But before we go, we have our exciting news that we can't wait to announce Katie. Go ahead. We have a couple pieces of exciting news 1 Sarah and I are going to be partnering with every Booth to go to the Expo in Vegas, February 25th through the We have a couple fun things going on. We're going to be doing a meet and greet. So if you guys are podcast listeners and you want to come say hi, we want to know you. Yeah, you want to make know you were truly. Yes. We want to meet you. So we're gonna do a meet-and-greet and we have some fun things other fun things happening at the Expo and we're going to be doing a live podcast. So we'll be taking interviews and just chatting with you guys about the Expo. We want to hear what you guys are taking away from the seminars. Yes. There are going to be seminars. And there's going to be an exhibit hall with tons and tons of photo booth vendors. So if that is something you're interested in the second piece of news, is that Katie and I will be meeting for the very first time live in person like in reality. We've met virtually but we've actually never met each other before and I am so excited. I'm a little nervous. Why are you nervous? I just am like I feel like there's a me so many emotions. I feel like we're both going to laugh and cry and it's just going to be So much fun. Finally meeting you in person. I feel like it's going to be awesome. We have this like Grand idea to like get video of us meeting for the first time. Yeah, because for those of you that haven't been following our Instagram, we want to start a YouTube channel because we think it'd be really fun and we thought that'd be an awesome thing to put on the YouTube channel. Then we realized I'm getting in so late and we're sharing a hotel room. It's just going to be like Yeah in our hotel room and it's super anti climatic literally. It will probably be probably be Be around 11 o'clock at night or something and you guys are gonna be so tired your time. It'll be 11 12 1 to my head. It will feel like 2 a.m. In my head. Yes, you guys are going to be exhausted and you're traveling with the baby. So it's just going to be a long day for you guys. So I feel like we might have to skip that which sucks. But see I think we're just gonna do like a like a mock. Yes me the next day. It's fine people do that, you know and like the wedding seen people do like a mock first. Look where they like shows we are literally running slow motion towards each other. Well, technically we would run in like normal Pace, but we would put it got it but possibly yeah so that yeah, so that's that news. And then the last news we have like so much good news coming at you is that we are are partnering with every booth and the Expo to do a giveaway for one free ticket. Woohoo. I am so excited for this one. I know I always say I'm so excited but I'm literally always excited about everything because that's just me. That's my personality. I am literally get so excited about everything like when we were talking about this it just seriously made me the happiest person to be able to do this for you guys and like the conversations we've been having in Our Facebook group and on Instagram and people to say no. I wish I could go. I wish I could afford it or whatever now is your chance we'll be giving away one ticket to a lucky winner and we cannot wait to announce. This will give them have fur. Wait. Oh, I know we'll be doing it for a week. So you guys can you know post on your stories you can tag all your friends, whatever you want to do the more you tag the more you post on the stories the more, you know, you get your name into the Slot win the ticket and we'll put all the rules and everything for that on our Instagram post and we'll be announcing it. I guess I'm day. Yes. Did you want to go live for that? We know actually because I will be at a dinner. Okay guys, so this Sunday January 26th at 6 p.m. Pacific Standard Time 9:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The giveaway will be live. We will be posting on Instagram and it will have all. The instructions of how to enter it'll be super simple. So if you haven't gotten a ticket and you want to take it or if you do have a ticket, but a friend hat, you know, you want to bring a friend and they don't have a ticket definitely enter. And yeah, we're gonna be choosing one random winner one week from this Sunday. So the following Sunday, you'll have one week to enter the yeah that kind of concludes our episode and are fun announcement. So you have more exciting news. He's coming your way. So make sure to stay tuned for that. It just keeps getting better you guys and we cannot wait for all these amazing announcements. I know Katie and I have been working on the fun project that has been a long time coming and we almost ready. Yes, and we cannot wait to announce it. Literally this has been in the works since what September or October and we are so excited for this one. It's been in the works since then, but we've been planning it. Like in our heads and talking about it for I mean months and months ago. Yeah, I would say since like May or June. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but that includes everything that we have for today until next time until Sunday will talk to you guys on Sunday again. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. It keeps the podcast going join our Facebook group extend the conversation with us. We have an amazing Community there and we just love chatting with you guys tag us in your story. He's on Instagram, you know where they're listening hearing your conversations and we just love all of you. This wouldn't be, you know a podcast without any of you. So just we want to say thank you for all of your support through it all. You know, we're excited for season 2 and just going strong throughout 2020 and just thank you guys for listening in every week. It seriously means the world to Katie and I and we cannot wait to meet you in person at the Expo so stay tuned for all of A details on that for me announcing the exact dates and times for the Expo the meet and greet and the live podcast episode. So make sure to stop by and say hi to us because we would absolutely love that and to get photos with you guys and just have fun and like actually meet you guys in person. So thank you so much for just being a part of our group and our community and we love you all. All right. Well, we will talk to you guys later. See you next week guys. This episode is brought to you by anchor the easiest way to make a podcast Sarah and I started this podcast with very little knowledge on the recording and creating process. 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We'll see you in just one second you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now look and we're back. We are we're back plus 1 here. I am here. I have arrived it would look at that headband. I am fucking Miyagi dough today. We needed Miyagi don't need to even out their numbers. Yeah. Yeah overwhelmed so they descend another troop. The last I recall we were able to take down quite a bit of Cobra Kai Xin episodes. I think Tammy was fun. Dad pine tree house early for sure. She was doing okay. So guys, I want to get right into the episode. There's a lot to talk about. This was a really exciting one first. I want to introduce my panel Michael clouse on the far end of the table. What is up? Everyone Tammy gouveia? Hi. We got Veronica Valencia in the studio. Hi there and what's going on guys? I am been Bateman. So this is episode 7 law. We start out in Coyote Creek. This is a challenge thrown down by Kris who's now starting to kind of, you know, take over the Takeover the tone of the dojo a little bit so against this whole Coyote Creek thing. Oh, yeah. It was so like really what is this is wrong the real world. It's funny because I like the concept as a game, but obviously they were way more Aggressive about achieving the goal, which was to get the headband. It's basically like capture the flag plus. Yeah. I really thought something bad was going to happen. I just kept feeling like this ominous feeling like something really bad is going to happen. But yeah, I mean it I mean something I guess sort of bad happened but not like bad happen. Like there's you know later stuff to talk about but but yeah, so you have this challenge out its Reds versus blacks and they and they decide to go at it. Now one one new character does emerge before the challenge starts and it's Stingray. He's crazy big fan of yeah, he's been a big fan. I initially was like, ah, I miss Li put him on the same level as Dimitri. Yeah. I was like, what? What about how you what give me tree? Yeah. Nobody likes to meet you. It's no wonder your Miyagi though. Um, you like to meet Ray? Yeah. Well, I think it's just I think it's more so I've really come to enjoy the kind of relation the rocky relationship between him and Hawk and kind of saying like, oh what once was a beautiful friendship of two of these two buddies is now, you know straining because it's fractured because Hawk is so consumed with never wanting to be weak and bullied again. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's fair and obviously we're in his ark so there's more to talk about but for this particular moment, I think we'll start. With Coyote Creek and so, you know Johnny's not totally comfortable with this. He doesn't love the idea of it. But Kris really wants to do it. So, you know, Kris goes to Miyagi dough. He decides to challenge Daniel and and tell him you know, there's a war coming Daniel has his line where he says, you know, I don't think of it war and then Kris says, you know piece is just a lull between battles this time. I won't let him lose war never ends Pieces Just the lull between Bell a great line. Yeah. So that's just mentally sick. Yeah, that's just wrong. I just him showing Yup. I just I still don't totally understand what the point is. Is he trying to rile up Daniel? Yeah, because it when he leaves he says give my regards to mr. Miyagi already Christmas sagaris making it very clear to Daniel that he has the power to fracture the two of them and move back in. Yeah and rightfully resumed his place in Cobra Kai for sure right kind of Cobra Kai the cigar it's 7 a.m. Is a power move. Holy mackerel power move 7 a.m. To go. Yeah that torch he was lighting the cigarette. Agharta, I'm not and I'm still in my life. Not a cigar guy tried really I've tried to be a cigar guy smell of cigars. Yeah, it's not experience. I really enjoyed those guys that likes to the cigars at all times. And there's a lot of them. It's a thing Sly Stallone. Yeah is a friend of Mariko. There's a guard guys. Yeah, but the Cognac and it's like a thing. Yes. I think it's all the wood and small type of feel to it. So so what this challenge that happens to the woods everybody's going at each other and I think the point of the scene is to really illustrate to us. That Johnny is not a big fan of this. He doesn't like the kind of killer be killed mentality Hawk totally buys and he loves it and Miguel and Tory. They're kind of like, you know, the couple ass-kicking that was pretty fun to watch. That was great. But ultimately what ends up happening after everybody's kind of had their moment is Hawk and Miguel have this head-to-head thing and Hawk two sides because he's a villain because he's the worst he's going to show off the Medal of Honor. Hmm. That's I like Hawk. He's awesome. But he's a total villain. I would 100% Yeah, and he shows off the Medal of Honor because like that's not cool man. That's like yeah. Well, I was just I think even that's an interesting relationship because we clearly see the Divide between Miyagi dough and Cobra Kai, but now we're starting to see The Divide between between excuse me within Cobra Kai itself. Whereas Hawk displays more of the ruthless. No mercy mentality that Kris is instilling in them. And Miguel is more of the you know, what we're going to be strong. We're going to be confident. We're going to kick ass, but we're also going to do it with honor. Just more Johnny's kind of hole Yeah, the old that's what Kris once he wants that divide because he will take those students that are on his team and and use them. Yeah. Yeah, Kris would rather have five loyal students. Then 20 here are their cold and it makes sense. He's I mean, he's a veteran he comes from the military. He wants a chain of command he wants to give an order and have his troops. Obey him right Johnny. He's not a soldier Johnny wants to be you want to apply these lessons to the real world and Kris is kind of still living in in war and battle hundred percent. Yeah, and I think the thing with Jonny is Johnny doesn't want to appear weak in front of his students. So like when Kris even brings this up and it's like if that's okay with Johnny, obviously it goes through him. What do you say that's such a yeah. I mean now you are empowered you already had students as we talked about in previous episodes leave because you didn't fight Daniel. Yeah, and now you're are you risking even more of a fraction if Say no to Kris and to have we had the moment between Chris and Miguel yet where Kris says to Miguel, you know, John, he's just a little confused. Is it have we had that moment yet? Right says to him where he's where I think Johnny's left right? I think he's gone on the road trip and we have not only happened because it's when Miguel apologizes and he said Johnny his hearts in the right place. He's looking he's worried help get him back on the right track because I had that moment of you know going back to who's going to be on team crease increase once Miguel and his team. Yeah, of course realizes fighter. Yeah realizes he's the best but he'll settle for Hogs. He can he's hawksbill nozzle. He wants to take away the thing that matters most to Johnny and that's Miguel. Yes. So Chip, you could also say he would want to take Robbie if he had the chance because Chris has consistently drawn on a throne to Johnny. Oh, you're not training your son. This is bad. It's more like get him here so I can take him. Yeah now I really appreciated though that Miguel takes the that he takes the Medal of Honor that he throws the punch that he and and that's what Johnny says like, I don't I didn't teach you to fight like that. You know, what is this? And then that's when he realizes he's got to get rid of Kris. There's a lot more talk about in this episode. So I think this little piece of that I want to make sure that we We kind of tie off with a bow hear him getting rid of Chris at the end. Yes. That's what I thought this could work. It can't get out. I never want to see you in this Dojo again. Yep. Increase hasn't loose in case you say something. I know he does on the door. Yeah. Were you surprised by that moment because actually did feel like Jonny Connie one up some little bit feels like Kris loses a little bit seem too easy. Yeah, it seems like you're like Paul really this is it like you're not taking your picture. You're not taking anything else from here. You just immediately exiting. Well, I didn't think was gone. I just mean like in that moment. I Yeah, I was gonna be you know, I didn't think that we're this is going to be the break that we got from Kris know there was certainly a setting up for something that they were going to have more Kris. Yeah. So now on the flip side of it, you've got Miyagi dough and Daniel is trying to train his students. He's trying to do this balancing act with his wife and his family failing failing miserably absolutely failing and you can see and she's waking up in an empty bed and he's trying to put all his time and energy into this Karate Dojo. So their training in the heat, that's not really working now they're training in the cold. That's not really working. Dimitri actually for once or Eugene Dmitry Dmitry Dmitry. I don't think Eugene Dimitri actually catches a kick. Yes. He - yeah, he actually has a moment and then he gets kicked in the even get me really gets kicked the night just so realistic. It's not like a good transition to Dimitri all the sudden baby steps. I was very proud of him in that moment. Yeah. Yeah, definitely big moment, but you know at the same time you have Sam and Robbie. And they're moment they kind of catch arms and they like pause for a second like oh, yeah. This is me. Yeah, it's going down. In fact, it's cooling off in there so much so that I was like surprised as that happened that everybody didn't like start making jokes because I felt like they like hold on it for a second everybody. Like I see what's going on. Okay. Okay guys get back to ya. Skip another side of the circle. Yeah. I feel like he doesn't at this point. He just doesn't see Robbie that way of like potentially being a Suitor for excuse me potentially being a And for Sam because scooter how cute well, it's just because it's also like he's taking Robbie under his wing and his more of like a son now to him totally totally. So the kiss that we all see coming does come once they get home the kiss happens and then there's a knock at the door immediately and Miguel shows up and he's got the Medal of Honor to give back Robbie and it's like a confrontation but not a total confrontation moment. And I think in that moment, you know, this is about to be a heel turn four. Be like he's gonna do something kind of bad. He's doesn't turn to a bad guy. But I think we all saw that coming right there was no poor choice. There was no way he was going to give that medal after Medal of Honor and the apology. Yeah. He says, please tell her I'm sorry and whatever that's not going to happen. Yeah, and you're like, oh it's a perfect setup for like, okay, we can have Robbie and Sam from now, but it's a perfect setup for they won't be long term. So if you're not with this if you're not for that relationship, don't worry kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So now while this is going on though Daniel is only focused on His one thing he is totally unfocused on his business his life his wife and we're going to talk about this a new thing just one second, but I do want to remind everybody here really quickly before we do AfterBuzz TV is the ESPN of TV talk eyes. We provide free content we an after show on just about every single show on television for free there on iTunes there on YouTube. We have multiple YouTube channel, so please subscribe. There's a drama Channel reality TV. There's their superhero shows. There's Red Carpet Events. We have one Tammy. I just interviewed the cast of Cobra Kai last week. You can find those all the red carpet event site. So Give us a rating give us review leave your likes comments thoughts below and five stars on iTunes if possible because those reviews are the thing that actually helps us stay the highest in the standings. We thank you for all of your support and let's talk about this last bit of the show today. So Amanda and Daniel she describes their marriage later on in a pretty negative way. But this is where he really hits the wall. He really yours out like because he liked the seven the seven missed calls the missed meeting with a new she's already gotten beaten up and now a new shoes there Joan's on Third Big Aunt Joan's on Third and and there's like he's not coming gets up and leaves quits guess you never knew what it was to you just knew it was a meeting and I think not knowing what it was kept you focus on everything else in the episode, which was nice because if you known what it was to be wiping meeting with the yeah. Well, it's because he'd gotten hit by Johnny and he was I guess maybe he was thinking of leaving and this was a meeting to say no. We need you to stay. We really appreciate you. Our then we didn't show up for the meeting. Yeah, he's offered a better childhood car dealership Tom Cole man, which is that is I think is a point itself of is do we see Tom Cole playing a bigger role? I mean, he's taken what two or three people they've mentioned him four or five times in the series so far. It doesn't show up in season one. He's in season 1 he meets Tom Cole doesn't he? Yeah, but just wondering if he comes back ya did ya does he come back as a bigger player? I feel like only if they decide to focus more on the dealership, which I Highly doubt. Yeah, let's have some karate in the dealer must Tom Cole becomes like a backer of Cobra. Kai could be just throw that one out there. It's a pretty good prediction. I can see that. Yeah, that's the real deal. Tom Cole advertising Tom Cole and Kris together. There's a lot to talk about at the end of the season. Yeah wild stuff here. But so anyway, that's that's kind of what happens there and you know Amanda Basically tells them off tells Daniel off, you know, you're not focusing on what matters to you and you're losing focus and and you can't keep promises. You're not keeping it balanced. So you're gonna have to figure it out. And you know, this is it's all kind of falling apart a little bit for our for Our Stars Are Stars. There's some conflict here as we are in the you know, back back portion of the show. So before we wrap up episode 7 here I've been asked this question at the end of every single episode whose story. Are you the most invested in right now the end of episode seven at this point? Yeah go Miguel me too Miguel Miguel is my guy. I'm a big I'm a big Miguel fan. He's at this point in the season. I'm going to love Jonny but Miguel story is the one that I'm all in on. Yeah. I think I'm a girl is going to their we're going to see significant change in Miguel over the next three episodes. Yeah, I think whereas before I think we're now at that point. He saw the metal. He sees everything. Yeah, and he's had a chance to analyze it and he knows what side he's on. Yeah, I'm not no heed the light has been drawn in the sand and he knows he doesn't want to cross that line. He's like the perfect middle. And it's so interesting because he gets all sides he Switzerland. Mmm. He's neutral. He gets it and I'm Miguel as well. So I think the panel for today. Yeah, we're all Miguel Miguel and for Miguel. I'm not a big Robbie fan. I gotta be honest. I feel like the opportunity to make Robbie and more interesting character has been there and they've kind of kept him vanilla to this point. I've been a little surprised about it. I have it here and know that I was taking of could have fall out with Robbie drive him away and back to Johnny and because I just there's something in this going to snap. It seems that he has that character where something's going to happen and you snap and something immediately changes. Yeah. Yeah interesting stuff. So guys out that is going to wrap us up for episode 7 here of Cobra Kai season two, we got three more episodes this season to talk about really really exciting on a special guest coming on at least one. If not more of those episodes so folks where can people find you if they want to follow along with what you're doing, which we are talking about my face. If you want to find me after the show, you can certainly do that. Talk more about Cobra Kai. You can follow me on Twitter on Instagram at the only MC. And you can find me on Twitter at Tammy gouveia and Institute a Me gouveia official frog Lancia here. 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COBRA KAI IS BACK! On this episode of Season 2, Episode 7, hosts Ben Bateman, Veronica Valencia, Tami Goveia, and Michael Clouse talk about: Kreese’s growing influence over Cobra Kai, New Miyagi students find Daniel and Johnny reunites with childhood friends to  help a sick friend live out his final days.. About the After Show: Loved THE KARATE KID film? Then you surely must be watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Premium. It’s a series set thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament where a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo. On this COBRA KAI AFTER SHOW, our hosts review, recap and analyze the latest episodes and bring you inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT COBRA KAI: Thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso.

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Welcome back. We are back in Los Angeles. Well, I'm back in Los Angeles finally here at AfterBuzz TV studios broadcasting from from here not from my Connecticut living room or library or we're very did some of our patreon episodes. I have very little voice. Unfortunately. This is my sexy voice. Yes didn't sound sexy yesterday yesterday. I sounded like Minnie Mouse and it was really embarrassing actually because I was in coffee. In getting a tea and for some reason every police officer in town was in there. And so I went up to order and I struck struck up a conversation with the officer I said, hey is this like the new headquarters what's going on? And he's like, no. I just wanted to buy coffee for all my team. I said, oh that's amazing. I'm like Let Me by I'm like, I'd love to buy for you guys. You keep us safe. Thank you so much. And he's like no. No, this is my tree for them. And I go to know I'd love to treat you guys and then we're like having this fight and I go wait. I don't want to ruin your treat. No, so if it's that kind of thing, then you do this. I'll get you next time. But I'm like, I swear I don't sound like this normally just so you know, normally you have a really like much better voice than this I go right now. I sound really like Minnie Mouse that's really cute, but forgive me everybody. Being under the weather our quote of the day the 18 to 40 to 60 rule. Oh boy. Okay at 18. You can care at 18. You care what everyone thinks at 40 you don't care what anyone thinks I don't really think I'm there yet shit 41 and I still kind of care kind of it's not all out of me. Yeah, it's not that bad. Okay, and it's 60 you realize no one ever cared about what you thought. Thought they were busy worrying about themselves. Dr. Daniel Amen who happens to Be Our Guest today bring up that problem with him. I know well I had the unfortunate grooming. Let's say of having it really embedded into my system that I had to care what everybody else thought of me. So unwinding all that training is you know is a thing. Yeah, you've made so much progress though. Have thank you for noticing again. I will call back to the fact that I'm sick. I realized I get sick once a year now and I fight it like hell and sometimes it will be a little more so than others like last year at our Christmas holiday party for AfterBuzz. I was ill and had lost my voice and so I rolled into our party this week as well last on Friday and had no voice again. It's like I can't go to my holiday parties ever and have fun. I'm always sick and I remember going to the doctor and Saturday morning and he was like, well, I really would love to give you a different antibiotic, but you're allergic to penicillin. He's like, I don't like giving you see packs all the time. I'm like, but I'm never sick doctor and he's like well last year actually at this very time you were and I was like, you're right. I really was I remember one year ago. Oh, yeah because of the Christmas party. Yeah, so I Bird when I was at the Holiday party this year that it felt familiar that I was sick last year the must be the weather change. Yeah, I think says everyone I know is sick right now. Well, I also think when you're running hard and life when you know, like the holidays are upon you like maybe that's kind of also you're starting to also load your stuff up with holiday parties and other things and I don't know. I don't know what the hell I'm saying. I'm medicated people. I have antibiotics in my system. I got Chloraseptic sitting over here. I keep having these crazy coughing fits that are like violent and really not good and I think because of the remaining tumor I have it's even worse because it affects my nerves around my face. And so I feel now like I have an elephant foot in the back of my mouth in moments. Imagine this massive foot, but it's like where your molar is. It's so crazy. I sure yes. Oh, it's the creepiest feeling in the world. So yeah, so yesterday I had a secret project. I was working on in the morning and I couldn't move it. I was in bed and a lot of times I can't stay in bed. I've ants in my pants. But this time I really needed to stay in bed. I wasn't feeling well, but I had no choice I had to go and I kept it short for My Little Secret project that's coming up. And I made it back home and got in a bed for the rest of the day and the rest of the night. So I think I could be a lot worse right now. Had I not yeah rested of yourself. So and you have another busy day today. Yeah, but when did you first meet? Dr. Raymond? Okay, so, dr. Ayman, like most people I don't remember and only here. Would appreciate that because he's a brain doctor and he's seen my skins and he knows that my brain needs a little hope. Let's see. How do I know doctor? Amen? I mean, I know I met him interviewing him for this show trying to think of who connected us. Maybe Kelly noon and Gore has but I really I really loved his approach to things and we went and scan my brain and he Told me where I needed to do some work and I've been applying the things so I do look forward to getting a second scan to see the progress. But I love what he's been doing in the Alzheimer's area. He's doing a documentary with Leeza Gibbons and the reversing of The approaching Alzheimer's that she was she was en route to Alzheimer's and it's in her family and they've reversed a lot of its progress with his protocols and they've been filming this. So I think he's pretty incredible. Of course, he works with the NFL concussion protocols and he's pretty gangster and and this new book the end of mental illness. I thought was really important because he wants to reframe the discussion from To health to brain health and I think that's really important because all of the stigmas really prevent people from getting help and a lot of people are confused by mental illness, right or brain health. They don't know what to do and it's it is it's a really hard thing the brain I know just from my my little experiences with brain tumors. It's really hard to predict. It's not one size fits all and and his approach. Is really interesting and I think it's going to really change the game because we have to too many people are being misdiagnosed too many people are getting on medications that perhaps are doing them more harm than good. And he's had so many case studies that have proven that there are other ways to kind of skin. This cat. I don't like that term because I don't like thinking of skinning a cat. So I don't know why I just said that but Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we all know someone Minnie Mouse hates cats. That's why yeah, so passive-aggressive being mini. I think I just channeled her. That's so messed up guys the book which comes out in March 2020. So and we'll put the link everywhere. It was so crazy that I haven't thought about it the way that he thinks about it and the fact that we have so many people around us who have been diagnosed with depression. Ian in the ones listed mainly depression anxiety PTSD add I know probably over a hundred people of diagnosed with one of them and if you look at the model of how psychiatrists are supposed to diagnose you, it doesn't even make sense. It's the most simple thing for the most complicated complicated thing which is our brains. So in the way he approaches I can't wait for you to talk to him about it because it just makes a lot more sense to approach people with like what are you eating? What are Daily habits, what's your mentality like all those things that you just don't really think about you're just like, oh, I feel bad. So I must be depressed. Well, and again, these are the not so exciting ways to attack stuff right because it requires a lot of dedication a lot of tough sacrifices, you know, he's going to take you down a Clean Diet path and that's not that fun for people trust me. I was in bed last night wasn't feeling good. And I was like, oh, I really wish we had Some snacks honey. And so we're thinking do we get donuts do we get pancakes? Do we get to Rito's? What do we get? Luckily? We were both too lazy to do anything and luckily. I still couldn't find anything on Postmates that made me excited. So we ended up with some coconut yogurt and an apple. Okay, that was a much better choice, but you know, it's easier to take a pill and want it to be done with but I know of a very good friend of mine who went to the doctor. Because he was talking to other friends and they're like you have ADD that's why you know, these things were happening to you caught on Adderall and was feeling amazing like crushing the game doing triple the work that he would ever do and all of a sudden started having these massive Lowe's and literally like not wanting to live it was really bad and getting sick and his friend was like, it's the Adderall and he flushed down the toilet. and a and that was it and he got definitely better but it's you know, it's kind of crazy how quick we are to just throw these different medications that people yeah and my one friend right now who they tried to prescribe but with a bunch of antidepressants and that is the only solution sometimes and I'm definitely not saying it's not but a lot of times that easier way of taking a pill that can Back to you in such a greater way like a mute your personality as opposed to just doing a little bit of the harder work in the beginning if you can if it makes sense for you and your body then that just reaps way longer benefits and you get to keep what's yours? Yeah. I mean it's hard, you know, everybody's different some people need it. Yeah, but I think dr. Raymond's going to be able to teach us a lot today. So let me tell you a little bit about His background so the Washington Post called. Dr. Daniel Amen the most popular psychiatrist in America and discover magazine listed his brain Imaging research as the top Neuroscience story for 2015. He's double board certified psychiatrist 10 time 10-time New York Times bestselling author with Blockbuster books, like change Your Brain Change Your Life healing add memory rescue and so many more in March 20 20 Book the end of mental illness which were talking about today will be published and we're going to be talking with him today, of course about that. So many of us are dealing with or know someone with mental illness, but what if the way we are being diagnosed is all wrong. Dr. Ayman is changing the way we are diagnosed and most importantly the way we can heal. So without further Ado let's chat with dr. Daniel Amen. Hey, everyone its Steph. If you're listening to this podcast, you've probably thought once or twice hey, Hey, I think I want to make a podcast too, and I have great news for you guys. I want to tell you about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast for a few reasons first and foremost. It's free. They have a bunch of tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer. They distribute your podcast for you. So can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and so much more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. So download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m To get started. Dr. Raymond. Thank you so much for being on the show again. Hi Maria. What a joy to see you. Thank you. You're in Costa Mesa. I am our biggest Clinic where we get to do all the fun things we do. So what is the difference between Costa Mesa has clinic and all the other ones that you have? Well, it's about four times the size. But all the clinics do all the things we do from the Imaging work to things like hyperbaric oxygen helping people have brains and Better Lives. I love it. You know, this book isn't coming out for a few months, but we got our hands on the you know, the advanced copy and I really think you're going to To make major changes in this Arena which is obviously the goal of this book because you want to reframe the discussion you want to reframe how people discuss mental illness and you hate the word in fact mental illness and psychiatric disorders. So ever since I have been a psychiatrist, so I decided 40 years ago to be a psychiatrist after someone I love tried to kill herself and I brought her to see a wonderful psychiatrist and I came to realize if he helped her win just help her it would help her family. It would help her children, even her grandchildren as they would be shaped by someone who was happier and more stable, but I hated the term mental illness because what we deal. Our brain illnesses and if you don't separate those two things people think well, it's your fault you can snap out of it, but nobody thinks that of heart disease or cancer or have diabetes. And when I started looking at the brain in the late 80s, I'm like, these are brain issues. They are brain issues that steal your mind and Psychiatry hasn't decreased. Stigma one bit since the late 1970s when I decided to be a psychiatrist and it's time we do that and we do it by changing the discussion plus it's more accurate and not only does it decrease stigma people see their problems is medical and not moral. So it decreases shame and guilt it increases compliance and the thing I love the most This increases forgiveness and compassion from their families if we can see these as medical and not a choice on your part and so often and I went to a Christian medical school. I went to Oral Roberts University and many people there. It's like well you're depressed because you have sin in your life or you're depressed because you made bad decisions. And when I started looking at the brand I went no your Press because you had a brain injury or you're depressed because you have Lyme disease or you're depressed because you work in a toxic Factory that it's just so much more complicated than people think and so the end of mental illness is really about changing the Paradigm. And and what I've also seen is if you have better brain habits. You feel better you focus better your anxieties less and so the end of mental illness really is going to begin with a revolution in brain health. I love that. I love medical not moral because it's so easy in our culture to disregard people and say, oh they're just crazy. They're never going to get better and when you think about it as brain health now you think there could be a solution right there. There are solutions for diabetes and heart problems and thyroid issues. And so when you think about it like that there was hope but when you think about it as a mental illness the stigmas that are around that make it seemed so hopeless and and that their lesser or they shouldn't be a part of our society. I mean, it's really sad. It's really sad what happens I'm doing a program with the Newport Beach Police Department for six months of creating a brain healthy police department. And what we know about police officers is they have double the risk of suicide is the general population. I mean that really should just horrify us all and they're in a chronically stressful job. But to raise their hand and go help me. I'm anxious or help me sad or help me. I'm not sleeping or help me. My marriage is crumbling they often believe they're the helpers and that they should not need help and that's just not a helpful mindset what I tell them. I'm like look if you're a business person and your business was having And you denied it was having trouble your business is likely to become bankrupt and If you deny you have problems, you know, you may end up with an addiction lose your job lose your marriage. So getting people to say, oh, I want a better brain is so much more palatable than saying my mind is broken help me. Yeah also with the police officers They're in fight or flight constantly. So I'm sure that has a huge impact on the brain, right? No question that it actually Reef. It remodels their brain to make it always looking for trouble now at some point they need to be looking for trouble. So when they're on duty they need to be aware, but they don't need that when they go home and they're dealing with their teenage child. And so I talked to them about how to shift from this. Stay to that so being hyper-vigilant when you need it and then being able to shift away from it when you don't I remember when you scan my brain. That was one of the things that popped up for me because I'm always I've always been in fight or flight. So that's why I knew that about them. You dedicated this. I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly to your nieces, right? I did. Yeah, she spent the night with me last night Alizee who's 14 and almost 15 and family who's 10 they are loaded for mental illness. They have a family history of schizophrenia bipolar disorder addictions depression and but you know, I always say genes only load the gun. It's your behavior. What happens do you that Holds the trigger and unfortunately for them they were also raised in chaos with parents who suffered with addictions domestic violence depression and then about four years ago. They were taken by Child Protective Services into foster care. And at the time I had actually not seen them since they were very little because their mother and my wife were estranged from each other because of their moms drug abuse, but When I heard they were in foster care was actually the worst week of my marriage because I'm like, well, we have to go get them. That's not yeah and I wife. It's like you're gonna invite crazy into your life. Well, you know, I'm a psychiatrist. I've been dealing with crazy for a very long time and but what we decided to do was wrapped services around her mother really help her beat her addiction. And then on Mother's Day 2017. She got the kids back and then I adopted all three of them and and the end of mental illness is how do we eliminate mental illness in these girls and in their babies and grandbabies and this, you know, I've written 40 books. This one is my favorite because it's just right in the center of my purpose. I think one of the things that I loved about that story was that it seemed like such a quick turnaround, you know, someone who's got that many issues that they're dealing with and within what two years they're able to get their kids back and then the kids fared really well, they're a students and in doing so well what what were the things that you did for all three of them to get them better? So, you know, I talked about it in the book, you know, I think of people always and for big circles that there we all have a biology. So what's going on in their brain, you know, so for example, the mom had a DD. She also had that was never treated. She also had a very interesting visual processing disorder called the irlen syndrome IRL He and that's what be wise any yes, anyone who has headaches or can't concentrate. They're irritable their light-sensitive. They should be screened for this thing called irlen, and she had been in 19 car accident. So, you know, she was dealing with traumatic brain injury, but it's like why are you in 19 car accidents? And it was because of the visual processing problem, so So getting the mom ride and into a 12-step program, which has been very helpful for her. And then when I scan the kids it was actually a surprise. The the older one Alize is very bright, but she was really struggling with focus and in school and she had a terribly low blood flow scam. I'm like, why does her brain look so bad and I put her in a hyperbaric chamber. Her and gave her some supplements to really boost blood flow to her brain and she was her eighth grade graduation speaker. I mean, I like cried the whole time and the little one had a brain that was working way too hard that being taken by child protective service and being raised in a home of substance abusers, which is very common 60 million people in America grew up in either alcoholic or drug affected homes. And it traumatized you her brain was her emotional brain was just on fire and so balancing their brains and then teaching them. So that's the biological Circle. The psychological circle is teaching you not to believe every stupid thing you think and so I call it killing the ants the automatic negative thoughts that steal your mind and so working. On those helped actually have a children's book called Captain snout in the superpower questions and I had fun reading it to them. Then there's a Social Circle which is making sure they have a roof over their head making sure that we have more effective parenting techniques than yelling or Screaming. So getting the social environment right making sure they're in school. Owls that serve their needs and then there's this spiritual Circle which not very many psychiatrists talk about but I'm absolutely convinced. We all have souls. We all have a spiritual part to us. And so what is your deepest sense of meaning and purpose? Why are you on the planet and working with them taking them to church with us having them? know that the trauma is just it's not just about them that we can take the trauma and I talk in the book about something called post-traumatic growth only about 10% of people who go through a trauma develop PTSD or post-traumatic stress disorder, but about another 10% actually take that trauma and become better that they actually realize that they can Survive that they can survive other things as well that they can see new possibilities and so working at it at biologically psychologically socially and spiritually that's really how we end mental illness. And the problem is today people are getting psychiatric drugs and seven-minute office visits going you have a chemical imbalance take this and completely ignoring three. Of the four circles that cause mental health challenge. I want to talk about that because you have said that medication can be Insidious and of course in a way where it's addictive right you bet and it can also change your brain to need them in order to feel normal. So when is medication good and when is medication not so good and how does the The everyday person identify that for their family member or for themselves because there aren't a million. Dr. Raymond's right? There's only one doctor. Amen. If they can't get to you how do they figure this out with the population of doctors that exist that maybe aren't caught up. Well, that's the reason I write I mean besides I love writing I write so that I can take what I've learned and give it away. And so so let's start with I am not opposed to psychiatric medication. I absolutely think they have a place but it should never never be the first and only thing you do and that's basically what's happening 85% of Psychiatric drugs are prescribed by non psychiatric Physicians or nurse practitioners or physician assistants in seven-minute office visits. And when you start something most people don't know that many of them are very hard to stop and that they change your brain. That's what I meant by being Insidious. They change your brain to need them in order for you to feel normal. So in the end of mental illness I actually talked about well, what are the things you should do before you go on an antidepressant head-to-head against antidepressants exercise has been shown to be equally effective. So walk like you're late 45 minutes four times a week. So first thing I love that walk like the late head-to-head against antidepressants omega-3 fatty acids have been found to be equally effective take 3 grams of omega-3 fatty acids a day. Head-to-head against antidepressants learning how to not believe every stupid thing. You think we call it killing the ants will you explain that fact, will you explain Kelly has automatic negative thoughts the thoughts that come into your mind automatically and ruin your day in second grade. They should have taught you that whenever you feel sad or mad or nervous or out of control write down what you're thinking. And then ask yourself. If it's true, can you absolutely know if it's true and I have eight different kinds of ants like just the bad ants where you're only focusing on what's wrong rather than seeing the big picture of the things that are wrong. But also the things that are right or fortune-telling ants where you're predicting things are going to turn out badly or labeling and swear you label yourself or someone else with a negative term. He's a jerk. She's cold, you know. Ever it is because whenever you label somebody you lump them with all the people that were jerks and you can't deal with them anymore. And so labeling is very destructive. And and I've just found and other researchers have found that when we teach you how to manage your mind how to discipline your mind you're way less depressed. And so one of the first techniques I give my patients is I I want a hundred of your worst thoughts and then I'll teach you how to get rid of them. And when you shine a light on the ants, you know, they scatter and the problem with ants is they infest things and they link so one and two I can't speak in public. Very common Aunt will link to I won't get the job which that Aunt will then link to I won't be able to pay my rent which And links to I'm going to be homeless which then links to my wife's going to divorce me and all of a sudden just because you're anxious about a presentation. You see yourself homeless and divorced and learning how to break up. Those ads is a skill. I believe we should teach all children because it'll help decrease depression. Hey everybody Steven here from the booth. Sorry to interrupt for a second, but I have to tell you about Spotify on Spotify. You can listen to all your Favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free you don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including Better Together, which I'm hoping you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and you can easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. Remember Marie always says to be nice people make good choices and be present and one of the things you can do presently is make a good choice to go download the Spotify app and search for better to Other you can browse other podcasts in the your library Tab and you can make sure to follow us here. So you don't miss an episode of better together. And so before the antidepressant exercise omega-3 fatty acids learning how to discipline your mind and then if and then we need to make sure your thyroids. Okay, we need to make sure you don't have inflammation in your body, which is a very common cause of depression and dementia. So looking at things like your C reactive protein a measure of inflammation or your omega-3 index. It's just really important and the heart if you will of the end of mental illness is if you want to keep your brain healthy or rescue it if it's headed to the dark place, you have to prevent or treat the 11 major risk factors that steal your mind and that's where I think is causing the Fidelma cries and mental health issues. So the timing of this interview is great because last week we were talking about your gut microbiome and how it affects everything in the vagus nerve that takes it up to the brain and how the brain and depression and all of these illnesses even Alzheimer's are really connected to the gut. I want you to explain to people from your perspective how important diet is for brain health. So there's this fascinating study from Australia where researchers looked at two outer Islands one had fast food restaurants the other one didn't they measured their omega-3 index. So Omega 3s compared to Omega 6 is in your body the island without fast food restaurants had significantly higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids in their bloodstream. And 5 times less the level of depression. So the island with fast food restaurants low Omega-3s five times the incidence of depression. It's the food food is so important and one of my favorite writing devices in the end of mental illness. There's a whole section called if I was an evil ruler and I wanted to create that's it Erica. So this is like the Side of me how would I do that? And I would create the food system we have here in the United States where we have many food deserts where a lot of children. They actually don't know what vegetables are. I mean, it's truly horrifying that fast food has really overrun us and I think that's part of the epidemic rise. Eyes of mental health problems. I published two studies on weight. That showed is your weight goes up the actual physical size and function of your brain goes down which scare the fat off anyone but now 40 percent of America is obese. I mean when you and I were growing up that that wasn't even a discussion and now it's of epidemic proportions because when we took Out of food, when fat became the enemy it was replaced by sugar and the incidence of obesity is just insane. I'm so proud of you though for doing the microbiome podcast. That's so smart because you have these hundred trillion bugs in your gut and you have to think of them as your friends. You need to feed them and love them and nurture them because when they're unhappy you're unhappy - they make neurotransmitters like serotonin, they detoxify you they help you with digestion. They're just absolutely critical to brain health and when your guts not right you have a higher level of inflammation. So I talked about that in the inflammation chapter and it's just something that so many people are suffering from and they have no idea and people don't know that gluten, you know, and gluten there's all this controversy should Have gluten should I not have gluten? Well, cause his leaky gut in a hundred percent of people who eat it. So is that really in your best interest? Yeah, and it leads to so many diseases. That's the thing is got health is your overall health for everything and and it's interesting because just like the ants link up all these poor choices link up and so your diet poor choices and diet. You can confirm this obviously, but wouldn't your poor choices in Diet also lead you to poor sleep poor sleep will then lead you to poor performance your brain, you will be more depressed because you've now eaten shit and you're not sleeping. That whole cycle is really bad, too. I love that. It's absolutely true. So the mnemonic and the book is bright Minds. Those are the 11 major risk factors that steal your mind an S is sleep because when you don't sleep or you eat poorly, it drops blood flow to your brain, especially the front part of your brain. So the front part of your brain is really important. It's the most human thoughtful part of your brain. It's called the prefrontal cortex largest in humans than any other. Mold like by far its 30% of the human brain 11% of the chimpanzee brain. So it's really what separates us from all other animals and it's involved in things like Focus For Thought judgment impulse control organization planning empathy it watches you. It's like the voice in your head that says don't do that. Don't say that. and when you don't sleep or you beaten bad food blood flow to that part of the brain drops and then you start making bad decisions and our success in life either with our relationships or our money or help is you know, just as you said it's a sum of all the decisions that we make and so if we're not loving our brain nurturing our brain sleeping for our brain feeding, In our brain, we can go to all the Tony Robbins seminars. We want Tony and I are friends. Yeah, Tony and I are friends and I'm like, you got to get the hardware right first and then you can program it properly which is funny because if you go to one of his seminars, I'm also friends with Tony. He does an entire day on diet and food and so he understands how important that is, but it's interesting because this summer I actually diagnosed Kevin my husband with just that issue. He was not sleeping and hasn't slept really in 20 years. We allow the dogs to sleep with us and all of our dogs aged out and passed in this last year and they needed multiple bathroom breaks in the middle of the night, which meant he never slept. He was eating really poorly and all of a sudden sometime just before the summer and around the summer. He was not Kevin he Very very depressed very angry not himself and you know, you've scanned his brain and you told them about his different brain traumas that have affected him and I was talking to our therapist and I said, I'm telling you he isn't sleeping that is the worst part of what he's dealing with right now and then as diet and when I owe made them aware of that at first he scuffed it off then he thought about and he's like, oh my God, you're right I go that's your problem. He's been making the adjustments again. Because he was on the train with you for a while after your appointment and and he has the irlen syndrome as well as you know, but this was a big thing for him and he's made a complete turnaround and became Kevin Again by sleeping better. We kicked the dogs out as hard as that was we kick the dogs out of bed and we stopped he stopped eating bad things at night and even during the days eating better, but I can't express how much how important. That is for people and so I wonder for people who are struggling to prize. Yeah, or we could say his brain just needed better nourishment and sleep and whole idea behind the end of mental illness is let's stop calling these things because because I actually hate the term depression because it depression is like chest pain, you know, people are never get a diagnosis of chest pain. Why doesn't tell you what's causing it or what to do for it, right even not going to give everybody with chest pain nitroglycerin because you assume they have a blockage now. I mean chest pain could be from grief. It could be from an infection. It could be from a blockage it can be from pneumonia could be because you have too much gas, you know get a diagnosis of chest pain depression is exactly the same way. It's why Pression does not mean you have a Prozac deficiency people don't that virtually all psychiatric drugs including Prozac have black box warnings. Why? Why does the FDA think they should have black box warning because you give it to the wrong person. You can hurt them and getting a good night's sleep. There's no black box warning or exercise or not believing every stupid thing you think or taking probiotics to get your gut help? Improved that's or kicking the dogs out. Right? Because if you're not sleeping or you're exposed constantly to the allergens from animals, it impacts your immune system, which is one of the primary means risk factors and that can keep you awake which then causes this negative Chain Reaction. So give him my best. I'm so happy. He's doing better. Well, I well I have a question Maria. Yeah, and for dr. Ayman I wanted to know. How do you break the cycle because we talked about the ants and now we're talking about how lack of sleep can lead to faulty brain health, but you know, what if it's the anxiety from the ants keeping you up at night, then then kind of creates the self-fulfilling prophecy of negativity. What are like, I know you go through it a little bit in the book of how to dismantle your aunt's but could you give us an example on are of like taking one kind of thought and how you dismantle it and break it down? Absolutely. So I saw someone last week who was really depressed and irritable and anxious and the thought was that was keeping him up is that I am going to be like my father now his father abandoned his children and was an addict and that thought just kept running. Round in his brain. And so the first thing you know, I love going to the Whiteboard my office and so we wrote The Thought down. So whenever you are sad whenever you're mad whenever you're nervous or you can't sleep write down what you're thinking and then ask yourself. What kind of ant it is and explain that in the book, but you know, is that an all-or-nothing aunt or just the bat aunt or fortune telling and so for him? It's a fortune-telling app where he's predicting things are going to turn out badly, even though he doesn't have evidence for so I'm going to turn out like my dad write it down identify it fortune telling and and then they're basically five Super Simple questions and part of these come from my friend Byron Katie and her book loving what is but I'm going to turn out like my dad fortune-telling. Is it true? That's the first question and right away. He said no. He said I'm with my children. I'm with my wife. It's just a negative thought that bothers me and I'm not a fan of positive thinking I'm just not positive thinking means I can go to the restaurant for lunch have three pieces of cheese cake and it will not bother me, right? I'm a fan of accurate thinking so what's the truth? The second question is is it absolutely true with a hundred percent certainty. I'm going to be like my dad and he's like, it's absolutely not true. The third question is what drives unhappiness it drives pain. It drives suicide. Sometimes the third question is how do you feel when you believe the thought you're going? Turn out like your dad. I hate myself. I feel like scum. I lost I'm a failure. So you see the negative thoughts that are usually not true provide the fuel for anxiety depression even suicidal ideas. The fourth question is how would you feel if you didn't have that thought if you couldn't have that thought and almost always would people tell me is I would feel feel free And then we take the original thought whatever it is in this case, you know, I'm going to be like my dad and we turn it to the exact opposite. I'm not going to be like my dad and then you go. Well, is that true and he had so many examples where it was true. But if you don't write the thoughts down they linked with other ants and they torture you and there's a certain brain pattern especially for my In to have busy brains is when they get a thought in their head. It's like a little mouse on an exercise wheel on the mouse can't get off it Loops. It just goes over and over and over again fine. I get them to write out the thought and take it through that super simple process is their rational brain is beginning to take over their emotional brain and you always want there's always this this Dynamic tension between your prefrontal cortex your thoughtful brain. So I think of it as the writer and your emotional brain think of that as the elephant that left untrained it'll cause a stampede and ruin your lives and the lives of other people you need to discipline or train your emotional brain and you do it by having a strong prefrontal cortex or a strong thoughtful. Does that make sense? Definitely? Thank you. So I know Kevin suffers from these ants linking up right and he'll tell me the same thing. I just hate that this is how I think or how I feel if he does this exercise which he does do some of it he always asks, is this absolutely true from what he learned from you and that will get his rational brain actually working. But how much do you have to do that exercise before you've disciplined your mind to not go? There anymore is is there a way to never have to go there again like to heal yourself of those negative patterns and that negative thinking. So a hundred times so a hundred times to start and then you have to teach it to someone else because but you teach it you really know it and you know, I dearly wish you know, I only had to do one 5-mile walk and my body would just stay healthy, but but that's ridiculous. Right and as I discipline my habits for My body I have to do the same thing for my mind and in the book. I also talked about tiny habits. What's the smallest thing I can do today that will make the biggest difference and whenever you feel sad mad nervous or out-of-control write it down and then just go is true. And you know, if you do this a hundred times very quickly. You just go what's the opposite of the thought that's bothering me like, you know, I had a thought my wife never listens to me and Right now I can go my wife often listens to me and then I can find 15 examples in the thought won't bother me, right but you have to do a hundred of them and then other tiny habits I love is the most important one is this takes 3 seconds ask yourself before you're going to go do anything. Is this good for your brain or bad for it? And if you love yourself and you have Information you'll start making better decisions and the decisions I make for my brain or never because I should do it yuck. I don't want to do that. I actually grew up right near where you live and went to Our Lady of Grace Catholic school. And so I have a lot of should ants in my head. She's don't I do things because I love myself. So is this good for my brain then I want to do. It fits bad for my brain. I don't want to do it and have this cool Concept in the book. I love on I only want to love food that loves me back then. I mean, I don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship. I certainly have and I'm not doing that anymore. I'm just not and I'm damn sure not going to do it with food. So people go but I love Doritos and it's like but doesn't love you back and if it doesn't love you back, why are you in a relationship with something that you know, that's like a therapy moment so good. I love how you you explain things. And your analogy is because it's so true. Why would you think you could you know walk five miles and all of this stuff? It just makes so much sense and I think asking yourself is this good for my brain is a really great question. And every time I want to buy a chocolate or bag of Doritos, I'm going to say is this good for my brain? The bag of Doritos is actually a weapon of mass destruction. Yeah, and, you know food companies purposefully, they hire neuroscientist like me to get the perfect melting us the perfect crunchiness the perfect saltiness so that it will addict' your pleasure Center. So when I was growing up lays, Had a commercial bet you can't eat just one and what they were basically saying is we have created an addictive product. So you can't just eat one. And that's the evil rule. It's an evil ruler strategy to make us fat depressed and feeble-minded my job as a gape. That is horrible. I mean, I guess I kind of knew that but then just hearing it from you. Yeah, that is just creepy. Well. Tremont I am so grateful for your time between my voice and our time constraints today have to have to leave it there but I will say and my show every day with make good choices for a reason and hopefully this interview will help people make better choices for their brain health and and change that conversation. And before I let you go. I have one last question. What are you doing in your daily life to get better? So I start every day with today is going to be a great day. And it feeds my mind to look for what's right rather than what's wrong and I end every day with what went well today and I love that exercise so much because you know, my life probably like yours is just so busy that you go from this to that and it just causes me to reflect on What I loved about the day which actually sets my dreams up to be more positive because I'm feeding my brain things. I love and things that make me happy and with better sleep than it's easier when you wake up to go today is going to be a great day. I love it. Thank you so much as always and because of you I'm dancing again. I have to say I'm so happy. I love love love it. And so when we scan my brain next time I expect to see major improvements. Well such a joy to see you again. I look forward to and news. All right, guys, what have we learned? Dr. Raymond has opened the doors wide open to the way that I think about mental illness or the in existence. So to speak of Mental Illness, but just brain health. Yeah. I'm texting a bunch of people right now. It was the show man. It wasn't it amazing. It's amazing how self-destructive we as humans are it seems like it's just like you go from You go from having a great day to just little negative thoughts is peeling away at your personality and just make leading to everything else. Yeah, now we'll think about them like ants linking up. It's like, oh, I see the pattern. Let me spray some raid on that shit invited sir. Go away go away. And it's true though. And I offer up what was going on with Kevin in case someone identifies with that because it makes so much sense and even Even the therapist wasn't connecting it the therapist started thinking other things that could also be true. Who knows but I said, I think I figured it out. The man hasn't slept in 20 years definitely in the last like 10 really bad with our dogs. It's not even just not sleeping. It's he's like working 18 hours a day and not sleep exactly. It's all of that. And so now if you're feeding your body shit, if we all look at our bodies like cars it got up. Premium gas and to get to where you want to go. You can't put in milk inside of that car now milk is a bad example. You can't put Windex in that car and think it's going to go wherever you want it to go. It's just not you got to put the proper fuel in for your body to work. And so it's not fun. Like I said, trust me I understand but I'll tell you I really made so many so many conscious efforts since volume. To avoid liquor like I don't really drink ever anymore. Last time I drank I think was my birthday in June and maybe I've had a glass or two of wine since but my Bud Light fridge is pretty alone. I've been giving you know my Bud Light fridge no love and I really worked hard to make such better choices and I can tell in my toilet. What gotta go there. As your stool says everything it's the same thing. I all these things keep clicking this why I love this show because everyone is kind of saying same thing but different expertise, but you don't know you're not doing that because you're making good choices you're doing that because you love yourself you. Yeah, you learn that it wasn't good for you. Yeah, so it was like you like you love yourself enough to be like, I don't need that then if that's what it means if it means me living a healthier longer life. Yeah. 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Silly, I was killing it right now give it up for she's down for she's down with championship wrestling from Arizona and the future AfterBuzz TV Hall of Famer. Give it up for the emmy-nominated Emily met. Wow, I'm loving this. It was incredible. Lots of family. Lots of friends lots of fun. You know, that's cool. I'm trying to get over, you know being sick because it's taken down. Yeah, man. Basic to all that togetherness and close together all the happiness. Of course the big family I shout out to our chat get up Angie Harris Dylan Matthew Joseph Moses Xena our how's everyone doing? Oh and anti-villain Firestorm. That's a new one. Nice to show my favorite shows of the week because if you guys in the action here, yeah, it's true. Let's talk about what happened today, right? I love you were talking about two three weeks. Ago when Shana bays are lost the NXT heavyweight title the Ripley what's going to happen through women's division? Well, the show said look we got talent for days away Bentley end up being a sixth woman match can lesser rate Tony Story Ripley. It's valuable. Are you sure Ryan Kate lire artresin women's wrestling asking for Emily May. That's what the match and and having the six ladies here be in that match. Yeah. I mean, I love that they you know, it's the first major show of the year. They opened up with all the women coming out. Out and saying hey, this is what we have and they brought it for sure. So, you know and I think I was going in wondering like what are they going to do? You know, Rhea Ripley is now like the head of the women's division. So how she going to be represented. Is she gonna like first start off the year with a main match, you know, what's going to happen, but I like how they just like brought everyone out and you know, it kept it Lively and it kept it Dynamic to start off the show. Oh, that's good point. Absolutely agree with you. The match was was Phenomenal, I like the fact that I don't want your feelings on this David having some of the Antics UK talents already in the mix wasn't like a this is Tony Stark. There's a whole backstory is like no, you know Tony is you know, here he is get with it. That's right. Yeah, I agree and like you said flow we ask the question what is going to happen? They definitely answered it tonight. I think that crossover bringing the Superman together, which is it's awesome. I think it's only gonna help the UK brand more and it gives us that diversity more Dynamic. I don't mind seeing Tony storm in the ring. So I was happy about that. Continue to elevate This Woman's brand. Well here they're trying to show that like, they're like who's fighting for dominance? And I liked how they had a lot of the the it was a surprise like everyone kept coming out. They had the nice little kind of talk on the mic in the beginning where you know, Bianca Bel-Air, you know comes out and really just kind. Threatens everyone. And so I think the real Ripley Bianca Bellaire chemistry is really good. And so I'm excited to kind of see that growth. I really like the fact speaking 4 promo. She was just like I'm better than you you don't even go. Here we go outside look awesome in the booth reigai she watched in thoughts about the fact that you know, nxt's women division. It seemed to be one of the more Marquee things about that brand. And women's wrestling. Is it now High time for it to go mainstream for those who may not be hardcore wrestling fans. Yeah, absolutely and you can check out women's wrestling weekly or every week. I mean every day. No it wasn't it wasn't it? I think progress is progress. Excellent progress man. I love the work that Star Trek news over there pop corn stalks is a channel make it happen with steps of Brawn company what's going on in the next couple weeks for that show with Star Wars news? Yeah every Thursday 4:00 p.m. Pacific to into Star Wars news If You're a Star Wars fan where it's bit of a Broly fun type show or talking about episode 9, we're talking about the Mandalorian. We're talking about a galaxy far far away. So tune in that's a great. I thought it was pretty cool the way it was to me kind of Overkill how Bianca was destroyed by re Ripley. She looked like kind of an amateur hour thing. Maybe I'm just looking too much into it. But is that kind of a good show me want for Bianca Blair or I should say someone has to yell here. I mean some of us take the L, but I think to it, you know throughout the home match. She performed very well she put on a good match. I mean it really didn't do I think out of all the girls she The least amount of work that whole match, you know sort of come in she's got to close that she's the champ. I think it's okay. Yeah, I mean the structure of the match you kind of know what's going to happen, you know, like really is going to like get, you know, put in the the outside of the ring so that like she can come in later and take you know, yeah take it so take the win so, you know Bel-Air showcased her strength though. She had like a lot of lower grappling moves and you know in the beginning and she showed her strength, but like it has to go to Ripley. She has to kind of show her dominance in the and the division. Who do you think is stronger Bolero Ripley like this pure strength outside of the Ring. That's tough because I'm sober. She has so, you know, I don't think there's a way to compare. I think they just have different styles of how they shook his their strength, but I think they're both really really but I've had to make a bet though. If you're like who lived this giant weight and walk it looks room. Probably Belarus. That's tell you it was because again, I saw re really liked holy man handle Piper Niven and I've seen Blair put everyone over her shoulders and Military presser. I just want your opinion who you think is like naturally stronger. I'd say overall natural athlete with like I just and more natural athleticism Bel-Air for sure. Yeah, you know again no discredits Ripley, but I think if we're just going to have to choose I'm Ruth pillar. Oh God that's moving on reigai. We need your help right now to cut a promo to tell people how I can interact with this after but showed other up the book shows. Yeah. Yeah, man, I'm telling you man, you know, man. Yeah, but did a boiling point if you don't hit that like button and subscribe man, you know, I think you just gotta go on iTunes and hit that like button hit that thumbs up on you. You man comment? Do you see that van hit the Subscribe button man, you know, I'm about a boiling point out that subscribe button. So please do your due diligence. We are the ESPN of TV talking. Thank you for making us that I'm gonna go eat - the my chicken in my eggs, man. I get that protein man. He's your brother. It was weird because it sound like he was like trying to hold in a poop. I should have brought my chicken cream of the crop. Yeah. We had a couple of homos one that thing to be recurring tonight was tommaso Chapel, right? Yeah, really personifying Goldie saying that look that came ship was mine. And I'm cool. I don't hate what you've done but you took my life from me. I want my life back. We even actually gave adam Cole some props because he was like, you know, seeing how you took it at the levy ticket. I don't know if I could have took it that far something like along these lines which is which you know school. He acknowledges that but I mean, I really like the promo remind me of that old school WB almost like a Concord badass like very, you know, just dark and angry and like I'm coming for redemption or you know, yeah for Redemption. Yeah. I mean, I loved the language he was using he was you know, he has like an emptiness inside of him that like the loss of his, you know, the time that he wasn't able to wrestle and he wasn't able to be a champion and you know, he wants his life back and so he keeps saying like I want my life back and so that's a really powerful message. Zh, and that's going to that kind of added a spark to his doesn't happen this passion with with Keith leaders rise, and I'm cold as this time to get the get a chance actual wrong with that gold out this year. And you know, that's that's a tard question that I parm you want to say. No, but the hope of me wants to say yes, I think it would make it really interesting right you like it obviously would would because you need you need your Ultimate Challenger. Now so if it's not bubbling that would really tough really bring it. Well, here's also the real question. Who would you guys rather see either lie and Champa or coal and lie, or you know obviously going to see Adam and Champa bucks. I mean, who would you rather see how that Bunch? So with the leaf he gets put in that picture. Yeah. Who would you rather want to watch? Yeah, I think Adam calls undone everything the world is ass for him. I think that he should have of the four guys in the group. He still had the belt the longest time but it's hard to put lie in that. That conversation and not give him something and you go there for six months and it goes back down and be like, wow, what was that for your star? But at what point what at what cost so it's hard for me to say it really is I decided to do that. Yeah. So if it's like it's really hard to say. Yeah, I mean chamba had a for what 238 days or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really long time. That's such that's like a lifetime and it is in the world will love the ballet ballet was Universal Champion for one day and he never got back but never but yeah hasn't been back since so let us roll classic right the Traditions back. A little different format than the years past NXT UK is now involved in everything and also I'm not really sure what anyone gets besides the trophy before I went to title defense or title shot. Excuse me, but this year we have both the NXT and the NXT UK champions in the tournament. So I'm not sure if it's like a you know gals and Anderson. We have a cup or a cool or what but the first round matches were tonight Imperium Eichner Bartel against the Forgotten Sons. I was actually pretty shot. I know so it's pretty ironic, but I was shocked that if you're in one tonight Emily met disagrees. Why is that? I mean, I mean right away I could see that like Imperium was gonna win you get okay the match of their styles from like, yeah that from their past kind of, you know, yeah wrestling performance. I felt like Imperium was like the the best person the best tactic to take have we not stated this before forgot every time. Forgotten they are now jobbers. The aren't the new jobbers now fortunately they keep getting put in matches right where the structure of the match just doesn't highlight their best qualities. And so what are the best qualities that is that good? Wow, I'll take new gear. Even though a team against the Warriors at the time at take over New York was an instant classic. Yeah, so it's pretty even though Imperium. Is he better team? I'm not denying that it's just that I figured the Forgotten sons are a team that kind of needs it like the kind of need that like this feather in her cap. Yes. I was kind of rude now. I know I mean I get rooting for them, but I also feel like it's a but you're wrong flow. You have to go with what what looks best. I truly was I was rooting for forgotten sense of win, but I knew that they weren't but I was like, I would just like to see you. Yeah, it's kind of funny. But I do I do think that they should get that like you said they should get their shot and if they're if they keep getting matches were there not getting good story lines and not being highlighted correctly. Then they're not going to be able to rise to the challenge. All I'm saying is when I was a kid. Kid, there was a guy a legend Barry Horowitz and when he won a match ice cream on the top of my lungs are with win. All I'm saying is for that's a shot. He has like the Browns the Browns arrest think they'll get one right but it just at the right moment. You have to have the faith do you think It all I think they can and I think that'd be great for UK brand as well. Yeah, they need help moving on. It's now time for my favorite part of the show is not the week. It is l'hopital's boot thing in a week and I gotta be honest with you. It is now Tony Tom. I sat here for weeks upon weeks a month by month working merchandise saying that Tony Stone was an instant bona fide star go back to the Met young classic. She was out there, you know, the X Factor The Stance the little small like character notes today. She was ready to go because we're gonna go bounce back from A Loss last summer looking extra interesting. I want to say that Tony some has a credible upside for 2020. She maybe even the n x here and x 2 UK women's champion once again, and that's why it's Tony time. I'm gonna beat this land and that's why she is still beat those boot thing, uh the week. Like I feel like she is every week forget to give technical degree. Don't you? See her? You're like, yep. No, I never said Kerry saying that is what we think injuries what you disclose. We should start with start a little yes to check every time like I do not a fun guys because I am a fan of women's wrestling. So let's talk about the net speaking of not women's wrestling. I guess we re on what what that was a mistake. Top down the rails. We saw another appearance of the former evolve Superstar Austin Theory. What's I think it smells Spaceman? Thing's pretty cool. I thought was no I'm darting a house with you the way it comes out against Joaquin wild formerly from Tom. In fact was in the breakout tournament. The match itself was interesting put Austin theory on showcase for another audit another week. I'm not really sure why quinoa is that got to do with but over thoughts on the match day. I'm the master is great. Especially For Us in theory. I mean, it was interesting as Talked about the beginning with why King and his whole entrance outfit. I didn't know if this is Predator alien. He's going to be facing but I wasn't sort of what I mean. Then the match itself was actually really good. It complemented each other skill sets obviously Austin was getting over. I'm really impressed with Austin Theory. I mean the guy just he's strong. He's quick. He's agile good spots to the ring. I mean as you mentioned him, he's got a good look. I see a lot of potential for this guy. Yeah. I mean when I first saw awesome third come out, I thought oh, wow he He has the look. He has the it Factor, you know with with Joaquin like I was like you said I was very unsure of what that style but that here was whether he was like from Mars Attacks or something. I'm not sure. Yeah - like what is like, it was kind of cool, but it felt a little out of place in contrast with Austin Theory, right? So, but I get the Be the reason why they did that was because it really is supposed to supposed to highlight Austin Theory and and his look and you know, he is really young but he looks much older than tell me not gonna buy like a Joaquin. Well hit hat to wear around town or anything like I mean, I mean I was I think Abby's I mean it is kind of cool. He's like in a weird video game kind of a thing awesome very your right has it and then the more the more times we say that about NXT talents. Try to figure out how to quantify what it is. Yeah, like again, I gushed over Tony storm because when she comes out, you know who she is confident herself, but you really can't keep teach that you taking that or is it something where like a natural Starpower? Never Charisma? And I'm sure yeah. Yeah. Cheers. I've here's my name with that. I've always said no like you just like you can't teach heart you either have it or you don't I mean, you can always improve your skill set. Yes, you can improve anything from like athleticism athleticism to your mic skills to all that of course, but I mean a natural Charisma that natural high And that just it factor. I don't think you can teach that. That's fair enough. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you. You can't really teach it you can yeah, you can try to you know work on every aspect of you know for Mike skills to you know, your athleticism and get into shape as much as you can. But if you don't if you don't have that spark that engages and inspires audiences it connects with them. It's It's not going to work on for shuttle to rustling man. I mean awesome very so young. You know, we're yeah everyone knows about the Next Generation and we're seeing it now. This is we're seeing it. Yeah, but I got an oval beat Amon. Oh man. I've been around the world. But let's move it on another Dusty Rhodes classic first round match the Undisputed era by taking on Gallup. Now this mess here kind of irritated me. I just kind of overall feel about I feel like NXT UK seems to be a little bit inferior to the mainland agency brand. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not Undisputed error goes over gals again. Metalhead I chose wrong because I thought gals gonna win this show is wrong again. I don't do Bracketology me and Jake were the worst records when it comes to predictions thoughts about the match. Yes. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you. The sound effects are intense tonight. You know, I again I thought Undisputed are was going to take it. You know, my my predictions are right you need to hang with me. I noticed you didn't have to win. No one cares about some gay true, but this is a good match for them because we're getting ready for their their takeover Blackpool to you know, so the this is for them to reach out to a different audience to really like get some get some reps in right and you don't go against the go against Undisputed era, which I think they were paired really well together. And I think it was great for them to highlight both both, you know both sides. Yeah, it was breaking down Phil. I mean you you are the one who has praised the draped in gold. They're not gonna take a job as it is going against the tag chance nxt's main brand Champs. That's that's I think good enough for them. I mean because if they were to lose, huh Does that make their Champs look for that brand? Yeah. As well as Majid is no wrong answer that the reason why if I was a Booker I would have put gals up top because gals is shooting with appearing now and it's Tuk they seem to be they don't think they have the upper hand there. So they come over to NXT. Most people have not seen them. I'm a big Wolfgang guy, you know, the other people error so much a unified idea. They don't really need don't have to advance this format at all there in it. Great. I'm happy. They need this tournament you let me go to put their team there. So I thought on paper / that may be eligible. But that's why I think that's why it was good to have this so that were introduced to them and it's a reminder like hey, we got to watch these guys because these guys are gonna like rise to the occasion. So Boom Baby Boom. Mmm just laid it down. There. It is Flo Amanda's mic drop down moving on is now time for a puppy. Yeah. That's right. That's right. So tonight's punk rock band of the night. I'm gonna give it to that. Six man or no not would stick for man crazy battle main event, of course, not just because Main Event because I really love the Dynamics in that match, especially with dodgy Kovac and lie when they have those spots was moments or staring at eachother one-upping each other leave you with that jumping roundhouse kick, you know guy his size is crazy that he's able to do that, you know, so that was really awesome. The match itself is fun. I think that really brought up the energy the show cause personally felt like the show was kind of getting a little honesty boring, but just dying down a little bit I said it's tight but you know right away when that match happen, it would just like, oh, we're in it. Everybody's I mean the crowd was on board again, and it was just fun. So that's for me the punk rock pin of the night because it actually got me engaged again why it was an awesome match to get Malcolm Bivens to be his manager, which is something I would like to see. Those opposed to said theory is a three-and-a-half-year pro which again goes back to his control Amanda subsides fast rise in the industry. Yeah child to do a math is to man. The guy is the Iron Man of AfterBuzz TV says, holy storm needs to move the NXT u.s. Full-time for more. Tony storm the better. Yeah, I agree. Yes. Yes. Yes, we all agree. So the man's got a point. I'ma give you some make it happen. I superjet him. So gigantic comes out, right, you know, he's all about business and saying no Hidden Valley your punk. Finn Balor Prince Finn Balor, I guess we're just combining things now totally ripped him a new one David Christopher the resident Finn Balor fan thoughts about the promo and the angel program again. Oh, chill out bro. Like I so angry man Angry the room to share. He's oh I got the call I could have went up to it. I stay here and blah blah blah and I come on you could be happy. Now let's go. I like you selling it. He's angry I get it. You know, we got this cool Feud going on. I'm a fan fan. So I'm rolling with Finn. I hope fan kicks his butt. I don't know if it's going to happen to be honest. You know, let's see if they can actually push Gargano again, but it's cool. Let's see where it goes it see what Finn means but if he's gonna make it that far, you know, see what happens. I hope he does something whatever you know, but it was cool. I'm with it. It's about the program. Yeah. I mean, it's Going to its building. The suspense is building there. Are you unborn are you are you like are you like? Oh watch kids a good match for come like oh snap. Okay. I'm back to the problem. Always have a Gargano is that when you got it came back from injury. It was like this. This Trump was injured his story like a company's so it's almost a reduction of what Diana was and he's like a super senior guy. I love hanging out the parking lot with you guys. I didn't want to leave. Because I'm a super senior but I think fan belts are gonna do it to him. Yeah, bring it up but you but like I gotta have to re-establish his his dominance and his like I was here like this was my place my family and then like you can't come in here and take it but I wear that comes that comes at the end of Seth Rollins base runners, like I care so much about it. It's like a clown. Darby interesting. Yeah, it'll be interesting. I'm going to say no. I mean, you know, they might not take it but it's definitely going to be a good matchup TimeSplitters our next match with and match. So that's what's so telling and I'll make sure I go last on this one me. I'm Kayden Carter Mia Hamm the aka the Blasian batty caking on King Carter who's come on. The mattress is my pick to be the breakout star 2020 the magic sounds pretty solid before we even get to the Fallout of the matter. What happened that that was some of the match itself Emily made the reservoirs resting expert thoughts about keeping car's performance tonight. Yeah. I mean, you know me again is is one of my favorites as well Kate and Carters definitely been like on my on my who to watch list. Yeah, and she definitely is like really ferocious. Okay. She's Dynamic. She's station for she's fierce. You're something you know, she she has a really good energy and I really I really love watching her in the ring with her going against me a Yim. I think it was a really good match up because there's like Dynamic chops happening. There's it's just they have like an acrobatic kind of energy that like the it worked really well design. So I think it was again really solid and it was entertaining and I'm Going to see them and especially Keen Carter go against the mother appreciate women look that way. I didn't imagine did Chris for those with the match first about the match between Kincardine medium. I agree with you and I think the energy was good. The chemistry was great within those two. I think you know, yeah, it did pick up it picked up, you know where I felt we started to lack in the show. So I mean, I knew me a yam was going to take it but I was I was rooting for you because I know that's your boo boo over there harder, but I mean again, I agree. He's got a great skill set. I that there's there's so much potential there with her. I don't think it's gonna happen for a while, but I can see her getting a good push down the road and I'd like to see that because I feel she deserves it. You know that she's got a lot of tenacity. There's a lot of fight in the matches entertainers very back and forth. It was great to watch and I think they complemented each other. Well with the Styles in the skills. Yeah. I mean there was a really good balance back and forth between them. And so I liked how and I'd like to kind of how it where it was placed in tonight's episode. Okay, cuz it came after you know. Gurgaon is promo. And then it kind of led into the mean that's match the minimize. Let's talk fall out. What seems that the two warriors were rather embrace me like you did a good job. No you go you good. But then yeah Chelsea Green Oh my God. I think she's a reason I'll sign your now with Robert Stone brand walk me through this Emily met Chelsea Green Robert Stone attacking Caden car. Helpless Caden cut. I know yeah, I'm surprised you didn't like jump in there. You know, I was a surprise because we saw Chelsea Grin on raw. And so now the question is what's what's happening where she going? What is she gonna you know, what is she going to bring to NXT? And so the the conflict I'm wondering what's going to happen true. So David Christopher, so you got some Chelsea Green action. I'll couple weeks. The main event and raw the rumors are swirling that she was a raw signing but you know you see her here on NXT being managed by Robert Stone brand, but for me Robbie from TNA, is this the right move because agree did you want her to have that doesn't realize NXT or would you have put in raw without women's division installing these people would you have her float between both Brands? I think that's I think even wer Annex he's asking that question. Hence why they brought it back down because they brought up to Raw then like, oh, no, we're bringing you back down to next to you. So I think they're just kind of shooting. Things to see what works. Let's try something different. Let's try this. It's bring more talent. I think she can probably still go back and forth. I think that's still an option but they're trying to do something more with the NXT brand obviously. So and then the whole management thing with her. I mean that's something different different angle. Yeah. I'm curious to see that. Let's see what happens with that and I think that's something interesting to watch in NXT. I mean, I don't think necessarily need that and raw or Smackdown right now to be honest. So I think NXT is a good place for it. Yeah. I mean the most division is so strong and NFC and Ron needs a little help and so it might be Interesting to see if she bounces back and forth, but I don't want her story art and her her talent to like get diluted, right? So let's talk about like males managing female Talent. I'm trying to think of the last like big at situation that's happened. It's been a while. Do you think that an Emma can work with modern audiences or you think Robert Stone is going to be like the one that Chelsea Green juicer to a brand new audience or is it not necessarily? That's a good question. I mean who's going to be calling the shots here? Is it going to be almost like a Paul Heyman Lesnar thing where it's like all Heyman, you know, it's Chelsea and showcase the personality my skill or she's going to be in the ring like how that's a good question. It's out, huh? Yeah, it's really I feel like it's you know, it's just the first kind of introduction to it. So I feel like you know, Chelsea Green, you know is good on the bike and she has a voice and so I think if she tells, you know, everyone what she wants then hopefully she can push through and It doesn't get lost. Right. I also want to say as a nerd. I like the fact that Chelsey greens logos of the green our logo that's pretty cool neither here nor there. So I mean if it was a four-way match for the number one contendership for the North American Title Roderick strong is probably like, oh I'm doing tell me that you coming keighley Damien priest and Cam and Grimes who's already where the top hat only really needs now is race car and the boardwalks he'd let's talk about the match and how it ended. I'm sorry David Christopher thought about the match. The what the placement and what it means for the North American Title division. What a cool match to be honest II. Like I said before I try it. Yeah pin of the night. That's right. No, I just really enjoyed it. It was fun to watch. I mean, I'm like Damien priest in there, you know, it did some of his moves are super crazy, you know, and then that spot with Lee using him as a weapon to hit everybody else was hilarious. Yes. He used the man to beat up another man. Like I said, so as I do yeah, that's what I mean. Amazing, you know, and there's that moment there were we you know, we're all saying, you know, Emily how Grimes is going to pull it off and then there was like a split moment every like he almost did right. Wait what? What a brat. It was awesome. It's just a quick quick. Shout out to keighley cuz we had shot him out on my story. He acknowledged it appreciate that as well as well as Angel Garza Dan me as well. Shout out to you. Well, I'm sorry but one of our main goals for this year is to really push and type of the show as much as possible to get you know, all the superstars intentions just The best package we can for you guys out there watching so you can help us push this and get us to a thousand views. We're always in around 6 to 7, but we want to question hundred we want to get a thousand. So if you can share it with your mom your dad your sister your uncle friends brothers everybody. You can please do it back to you in the studio. So we're gonna try to get to a thousand views on this Main Event match. So I I love Keith Lee he is. Oh he I've enjoyed him for so long. And so the fact that he had this like superplex and he had all these moves and but what was what was weird and what I was trying to understand is I think they should have had this moment. We're all three of them were trying to take keighley down because he's like the biggest out of all of them. So just as like a story point, I was like, oh I could be cool if they had like not for the full match. But if there was a moment where they were like, oh trying to like team up to get him down to take him out. Yeah, but died Djokovic had really just amazing flips and stuff like that tonight. I think it was a great. It was just a great match. I enjoyed it. I think it you know it highlighted all the best for everyone so you Just before Let's Talk About Kevin Grimes. He's definitely the one guy that hasn't been flirting around with any division. Even dating Kris got some n a title action with with with Pete Dunn and all that but the last pay-per-view and of course, you know all those taking the pin right even though I really want them to witness to the fact that I will break like the the hierarchy of who were regularly. Let's talk about the mattress. I'm having Cameron Grimes in there. Is he ready for the main event here in XT? Because he seems to be the guy who's not when the breakout tournament but he seems to be feature the most out of everyone that tournament is These matches he's always flirting with these things. Got out of a short program with kushida. Is this their breakout couple months for camera grabs? I mean camera grams is I have to give it to him. I know we liked he's about like his ass hat and his gear. I don't do that ever. I know you're so sweet. Yeah, but he is working so hard, you know. Yeah, it's Rusty is working on. He was going to take it and shut up. Well if he should have I mean he could okay no degrees of me, but I'm just I'm just asking did you really just ask if Cameron Grimes is Main Event material right now? Yeah. When we have any fans of the rate Mustang, we also being very laser focus get in with a few getting win a feud whatever but we're seeing a lot more of an organic. They were camera crime. He's getting more screen time you me when Max is me lose matches, but very few weeks of NXT program goes by without seeing camera Grimes. He's the main event tonight. You want to losing in took a huge Spirit Bomb? Yeah. Is he a guy that would you put in that mix that that triple threat like that for a dance or is he someone that you just move up and down the car? Not not yet because here's the thing. And I'm rooting for grams are going wrong. I'm liking them. I like to push her giving them but he's got a long line to stand in first. I mean, you got pretty gonna put him above priest you can pump about done Balor riddle and other people as I mean, so so yeah, he can be in that mix but he's at the end of the line. Yeah. So it's only there was a North American television. It seems like they're doing is they're just kind of like they're they're keeping it a little fluid where they can move him in areas that they feel like they need to put him. And you know, he's being highlighted and really amazing matches. And so I feel like they're going to keep doing that and then hopefully they'll find a place where he can really rise and maybe get a few wins Fair keighley gets the win two weeks from now North American titles on the line. Keighley Roderick strong. We got Keithley Yeah, rightly clean like syrians or team comes back zip line and it's gonna happen. I mean because if he's gonna drop the title, I mean, do you think you think he's gonna do that clean? I don't think so. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, that's the Roderick strong Keithley kately really my boy. So Roderick strong with the first person that I missed you too are to lose his title. Yes. Oh, okay. Boom. I'm gonna back you back you just because I like where we're what we're doing with Keith Lee and he deserves it. He's at that point now and I think he Be perfect for you know, he plays gonna like 2020 is his year. Okay. So let's imagine if you imagine it might matter because the North American champion, right? What does that division mean though? It Keithley is a North American champion. What does he know the American child who visits not intercom title division is different. Yeah. It's in this NXT world is no faces or heels or main event or mid car. It's just an XT. I think it means opportunity. I think it opens up more because I mean we were kind of stuck in this spot now where we know Roger going to be the title. It's a heel Thing it's you know the drifting gold team. 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From the guy who's read more about Bitcoin than anybody else, you know, this is a guys take episode. What is up crew? Welcome back to the crypto. Cana me with guys Swan. I have got us a guys take episode today. I wasn't even sure what I was going to do or if I was going to get an episode out today, but all this stuff kind of blew up out of out of nowhere and I spent all morning reading and trying to dig it dig into all this stuff about the 51% attack on be cash and I just I'm sorry. I had to come back here I had tons of stuff to do but I had to come back here and try to scramble together an episode for you guys to explain what I figured out in the process of this because this is just a really bizarre situation and it happened like four or five days ago apparently like like it happened during like right during the fork and it was a it was it seems to be that it was quite a while before they even figured out what was going on. Or that this actually happened that it pretty much happened it quote unquote in secret like nobody knew that this was going on except for the to a couple of parties actually involved but from everything I can tell there was a two-block reorg which was a purposeful. We are going to censor transactions or sensor a specific transaction 51% attack against be cash and it was Two minors apparently btcd top actually possibly had enough hash power than to just do it alone. And I can't there are mining pool. So I can't see how they would be like asking their users at all for like there's no way they sent out an email real quick. If you're like us your you okay with us doing this and then BTC.com also clearly they were collaborating on this to respond to what was it? Centrally the stealing quote unquote of segue coins. So it requires a little bit of background first segment coins. The the way this egg wit soft work occurred the way it remains compatible on the network is by basically putting in a essentially a blank signature on the transaction in the really really old clients on the network, which is an anyone can spend signature which basically Is just sending Bitcoin out to the network says first person to grab it can grab it and the so and segment signatures themselves are actually allocated to a different spot. They're just not included in the specific data of that and they are hashed separately. But what it means is that because signatures could actually be modified without making them invalid like wouldn't change any of the information about the transaction, but you could change the transaction ID. so it made an attack Vector referred to as malleability where you could post a transaction you could basically give someone a transaction with a certain receipt number and they could watch the network to make sure that receipt number didn't show up and there was a trick malleability which allowed them to change the signature which modified the receipt number but made the transaction exactly the same it didn't change any of the details in the transaction so they could publish it and you Be able to see because you had the wrong receipt number think of it like getting a refund at Target twice by because they just you know, check off that. Okay, we've already refunded this receipt based on the receipt number and then you can bring the same receipt in with a different receipt number and then they check and there's no check mark because it's got a completely different receipt number. So it's sort of like that in the Bitcoin transaction since it did not mean that you could double spend coins or anything but what it did did mean is that if anybody was accepting a nun confirmed transaction or the attack was used against Mount gox and what they were doing was they were using the transaction ID simply to verify withdrawals from Mount gods and this whoever the attacker or attackers were we're modifying the transaction ID using this little Quirk and withdrawing multiple times from Mount gox Knox would keep checking the the quote unquote transaction number and be like, okay, there's No withdrawal from this account yet. So withdraw again withdraw again, so they just kept doing it. So it shows this is kind of the one of the risks of not running a full node, you know, there are little things that you can exploit if you don't have all of the data of the chain, but segue fixed this B CH Bitcoin cash back in 2017, when they Fork the first thing they did was removed segue, but think about it the transactions are pretty much the same the keys the signatures all The other stuff is compatible with bch from Bitcoin. So tons of people make the mistake and continue to do so apparently from some services or some wallets actually sending Bitcoin cash to segue IT addresses, which means that on bch own Bitcoin cash Network. Hopefully this isn't confusing for anybody who's not very familiar with all this stuff. But the Bitcoin cash Network sees these transactions as anyone can spend they See the signature that's actually locking the coins, which is the segment client, which is only on the Bitcoin Network. So essentially since 2017, there's been a significant number and at times growing number of coins that were accidentally sent to quotes egg would addresses which meant that anybody could access them on bch. Nobody actually owned them on that Network and there's is possible. That they were like replayed on to the bch network, but I'm not sure how long there was they actually implemented a replay protection at some point, but I can't remember if it was right at the beginning or if it was actually just a little bit when they like when they fix the Ed a problem that they had. I can't remember exactly so it's possible that some of these are actually replayed where somebody made a transaction on bitcoin and then they, you know, copied it and posted it to be CH but regardless a bunch of coins were locked up in these. One can spend well not locked up the opposite of locked in anyone can spend addresses on be cash and I can't determine whether or not this was actually on purpose because the the details of it actually a couple of things I read on it actually made it seem like this something called clean stack which was implemented on the PCH May. Made the Segway coins Uhn spendable basically locked them up. Whereas otherwise anyone could just grab them because they're just, you know, open addresses it just like throwing Bitcoin out into the courtyard and just seeing if everybody goes and grabs them and but at some of the things that I read kind of made it seem like this was just unintentional that they were using clean stack for something else, but I actually can't confirm. So but this recent hard Fork the May 15th, work to implement schnoor signatures on VCH actually was removing clean stack or changing it so that these segments coins were actually spendable again, which means that a minor could actually just scooped up all of these coins as soon as the hard Fork went through but there was a bug they had been sitting around in the Bitcoin ABC client for a long time and someone had been obviously people were somebody was aware of it and had been waiting for a good opportunity to exploit it and they took the hard Fork recently as just their Prime opportunity. So the first thing that happened was that Bitcoin ABC started getting a bunch of invalid transactions in their mental and as far as I can tell what this bug did was it allowed a minor to put they were referred to as poison transactions in The things that are read by the Bitcoin Dev, I mean the bch day of they were referred to as poison transactions, but they were invalid transactions that were allowed into Bitcoin ABC's mempool, but they wouldn't be allowed in a block added to the chain. So anybody who had this bug was trying to include transactions into blocks that would make an invalid block because the process of validating the transaction wasn't thorough or we had a bug to exploit so immediately where they were getting a lot of empty blocks and I think it was just BTC top. That's let me read in this article it at least BTC top possibly another minor immediately started mining it the blocks and this was so that they could continue producing blocks because the poison transactions were making it impossible to produce blocks unless they figured out how to make sure they work. Including those they had to talk to the devs to make sure that those transactions got evicted from the mempool so they could continue back with normal operation. But I found another in my on my hunt for this stuff on Bitcoin exchange guide.com. They were talking about there's been concerns very recently because BTC top had over fifty one percent of the hash Power by themselves. They had a total of they maxed out at 54% I think was the highest that they got so essentially they could have done a 51% attack entirely by themselves. Of this is about to come into play with what exactly happened but in the confusion this unknown minor exploited the the bug to get the poison transactions included in the moon pool. And at the same time. Well, I take that back. I don't think they know if it was the same person but it seems to make perfect sense that this is what they were trying to do. They were trying to create a bug that was making it so other miners could not produce proper blocks and then included the seg wit now that segment was unlocked with the hard Fork the all the segments coins that accidentally sent coins. They could snatch up the Segway coins to their own addresses. But apparently BTC top and BTC.com were either expecting that this might happen or they were preparing to recover the segment coins themselves because they responded immediately. They had to be watching this live when it hit they were watching those segment addresses and then solve that somebody was producing they were already producing empty blocks to get around the bug and then they as soon as they noticed the segment coins being Spent they started they agreed. They that was the other thing too is that it seems like there's no other way that they didn't have some private channel that they were just actively in and sitting in waiting for this because their response was incredibly fast and they were right ready with the exact action that they did which was to reorg those two blocks and remove the transactions because all the Reddit threads are talking and saying I could not actually Confirm this from anywhere with BTC dot top or BT c.com. This is simply Reddit consensus is what they were saying on Reddit, but that BTC top and BTC come were working together to attempt to recover those segments coins to it there to their rightful owners, and that maybe they had been working with an exchange and or users. I I have no idea that's just the Assumption and I have no idea how they found who the rightful owners of All these coins are or if maybe they only sent some that were specifically to an exchange. I have no idea that seems like a stretch but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt that this was a an honest move by BTC top and BTC.com, but I don't think it makes it any less scary as to the consequences of this but what they did is they immediately decided to reorder the chain and they removed two blocks BTC top and BTC come in. Injunction remove these two blocks took out the segment transactions that this unknown minor were trying to scoop up and then put their own transactions in spending the exact same coins and plus a bunch of others. And this this is a this is what you can find details about. They've got the exact block numbers and everything on the honest dot cash post by one of the it is not loading for me. It's the website down or something. I'll know I didn't save this. I hope you didn't get taken down. I don't know. I can't get to the I can't get to the conversation. Now. It's like a developer goes through the whole thing explaining what happened and gives the block number two. I'm going to be so pissed. I need to save this site as soon as it comes back up. All right. Well, I see if I can hunt this thing down. Let's hit our sponsor real fast and we'll jump back in. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. 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I don't think I have the whole thing then anyway, he tried to figure out what was going on because he solved something funky was happening. But apparently it took a number of hours to actually figure out what happened to those two blocks and why he was seeing two different transactions are two different sets of transactions spending the exact same seg what UT EXO's when they were unlocked after the fork. Obviously, he's trying to figure out what's going on with the empty blocks and the unintentional split between the Bitcoin ABC client and the other thanks to the poison transactions that were going on. So and he says like quote it took hours to understand unknowns. 528,000 80 2698 block spent a few segments coins. You can run get Block on it and see five blocks later five blocks later. BTC tops the same didn't invalidated that block spent those same and Other segments coins that's motive. They were returning those coins again. I don't know. I don't know how but this is what everybody's saying. So somebody probably has that information somewhere. They were not alone BTW si.com had invalidate block to they built on that chain. So they were building on the same chain. I believe miners had an online meeting with ABC developers to talk about the fix. I assume they use this open channel to coordinate a reorg to revert the unknowns transactions this A 51% attack the absolute worst attack possible. It's there in the white paper. What about minor and developer decentralized and unsensible cash when only only when convenient Unknowns actions are doubtful BTC top recovered coins for the owners recovering is better, but they were late the Bitcoin Community does not condone the censorship of transactions quote-unquote much less a 51% attack. So he's the only one that I found that seems to be a lot of people seem to be really reluctant about it and they were just kind of not I just I was reading about this and we were talking about it last night at the meet up and I was just like, how is nobody posts it about this is this I was just not getting around because this developer is here is like I can't believe we have set this precedent and I appreciate that that guy seems really concerned about it. But what essentially happened if we take them at whatever word or information there is that says they were returning the coins to the minors. I mean or excuse me to the rightful owners, which I hope is the truth because that's the only good outcome that you can have from this but that alone to minors in secret in some that channel and without any trouble decided to take it upon themselves to mine a different chain and remove blocks with someone else's transaction and replace it with their own transaction and some people seem to be celebrating this that did on the BTC forums that like Jay Jonathan tomb entomb them the if I'm not mistaken, he and his brother were behind the Bitcoin Club. Asik client way back when during the like 2015 or 16 when everybody was making their own client Bitcoin classic the coin unlimited Bitcoin ABC Bitcoin to bitcoin 9.7. Whatever the heck it was. I don't know there were so many and the two men brothers. I believe were behind Bitcoin classic but he's now a developer for bch, but he says the orphan blocks did not violate any concern official consensus rules. But they did violate a common-sense rule. You can call it an attack. If you want. I'm going to call it justice. So he's saying that because there was this unspoken quote unquote agreement that I don't know. I guess these coins that didn't have any lock on them. We're not going to be taken. I don't know why they thought that wasn't going to happen. I'm gonna guess I guess some people at least I realized that that was going to happen and they were trying to race to make to make themselves do it for them to you know, to send it back to the rightful owner quote on quote. But here's here's another comment of Thiago from rbtc says how can it be just if it was not what the majority of honest miners agreed on it's a very dangerous precedent if we start allowing individual entities to arbitrarily Is a reorg next thing we know we might be seeing the feds mining Farm enforcing their inflation chain or Mastercard orphaning blocks that offended their so-called moral standards Etc. And I think that's a completely legitimate concern. Like that's the thing that you're just immediate like, how did this how is it that just these miners are just picking out which transactions they're like basically get to say who gets to transact and who doesn't and to him Jonathan to him comes in says, how can it be? Because it prevented a theft. It doesn't matter if the theft is performed by a majority or a minority theft is theft I agree. I don't think it has anything to do with whether or not this 51% attack was a good idea. Yes, it was theft but you're violating the rules of the system you're undermining the whole concept of any kind of security that this thing has when two minors can just have a private conversation be like, well, let's let's let's get these guys out of here. We don't we don't like this transaction. Listen, let's have their coins quote. If it was not what the majority of honest miners agreed on and he says a supermajority of the hash rate did agree on it. They just didn't consult you first. They didn't have time to so he's saying that these two mining companies or hashing power people are a super majority and this is perfectly okay. He's totally defending this and I'm just like, how are you not Little bit concerned of what your what is happening here like this seems ridiculous. And then he's got is a very dangerous precedent. If we start allowing individual entities to arbitrarily enforce a reorg. Yes, allow question mark the only ones who have any say here are the miners themselves. Are you suggesting that minors should try to Orphan the blocks of miners who try to Orphan the blocks of miners. There are a lot of antisocial things that minors can do but BTC dot top and BTC.com showed is that miners who do antisocial things on bch will often get punished by the rest. You might not be happy about that, but I certainly am so yeah, I can't I can't believe that that's his take on this that he could be that unconcerned with. Security in the immutability the actual protocol and the fact that incentives are not aligned that they genuinely could have just stolen the coins for themselves. We don't know I have not confirmed one way or the other. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they've done the right thing and return the coins, but that seems like a ridiculous task. Like how are they going to figure out who all the coins are is it is are we talking about one address because they're talking about many it sounds like How the hell are they going to find and confirm the rightful owner of all of them? So I don't know but this seems like a ridiculous response and it's only that one other developer, which I can't get to the can't get to the damn article man. I should have saved that page. I'm gonna be so pissed if this thing has just been pulled down now. Oh, okay saving it right now save page as all right, so it's not gone honest. cash bch 51% details So I've got it in case it goes down. Maybe it was just a bunch of people were going to the website now, and and I think it's also like he's judging certain transactions is antisocial. What if they're wrong? Like what if it's me, we don't know anything about the unknown mean the unknown minor obviously he was probably trying to just steal the Segway coins for himself. But again, nobody knows that's just an assumption made and we're going to complete. Reorganize the whole chain over over an assumption that they just valued their own obtaining of those coins, which obviously they believe is honest because it's them who doesn't think that they are honest themselves and invalidating someone else's transactions on the issue. So everybody else seems to be at least quiet about it. A lot of people do seem to be a little bit concerned. Earned and maybe they're just trying to pass it off or they're nervous about it because the conversation was just weird. Some people were trying to applaud it and some people like really so I don't think everybody is bought into the fact that this is just wonderful news. But again, it's been like four or five days and nobody else was talking about it. And this is exactly what I talked about and what so many people warned about about endless hard Forks. these are bugs that got put into previous hard Forks that are now being exploited and because they're trying to make all these changes and it hard Fork is an attack Vector it immediately turns everything into a political a social media consensus and removes the one objective thing the power of Bitcoin by removing that consensus from the protocol from the protocol from the proof of work to just some Um social consensus and it destroys the Lindy effect because as soon as you hard Fork the consensus rules, it doesn't matter how minor it's it destroys the fact that there's any security because you've altered the rules which are the foundation of whether or not the whole network works and you can say this like, oh, well, if it's a minor change, then you haven't lost the Lindy effect segment 2 x was really minor change. It was supposed to be only a handful of lines of codes. That's what everybody argued. Over and over again is that it's not even a difficult hard for because just like eight lines of code and they still managed to screw it up. They couldn't produce blocks. They had an off by one bug in the tiny amount of code that they changed would segment to X and the simp the sheer fact that they altered the consensus rules in as simple as they thought they were going to do it. They still screwed it up. It destroys the Lindy affect any kind of survival. You've had over the the last six months of last 10 years, whatever it is when you hard Fork is out the window, you're starting from scratch and it has obviously turned bch into a huge political mess and it appears that a private Communication channel between two minors basically decides what gets in a block and what doesn't and I just can't believe that this was not just massive news and there's there's at least like Is concern about it in the Reddit post? I'll read something that actually highlighted in the thread that quote where we are. So now that both plans have been foiled bottle of data as an unwanted side effect of these events the BTC dot top and BTC.com quote partnership has been exposed. So what do we do with this new revelation is a question that we probably have to discuss they work together with someone who wanted to return the segment coins and avoided a theft. They use their combined hashing dominance to avoid a theft. I applaud them for that from a moral perspective. This is defendable and my suspicion that we have more backing for bch, then you can see with your eye by following hash rate charts is now being revealed as true again, but the Dilemma bch has is revealed again as well. We need more of the sha-256 hash rate cake because we actually do not want that any entity in this. Base has more than 50 percent Ash power. So at least their understanding the problem with this, but I just they're in a they're in a fight because they keep breaking the protocol and they keep changing the consensus rules and they can't sustain their just hard for working there. They're shooting themselves in the foot every time they do this. It has clearly turned into a huge mess of political and social media organization rather than Census around a set of rules and now they have to fight and argue over whether these miners are good guys or bad guys and whether they've done the right thing or the wrong thing when the protocol should Simply Be incentivize the market should be able to mature to prevent this type of thing from happening at all. Each simply shouldn't be possible if somebody steals the coins because of a bug or because they screwed up with the signatures or whatever that that Should be just as final there is no the Bitcoin protocol should not care. There should be no subjective decision-making over who has a honest transaction and who has a dishonest transaction if they screwed it up because of a bug it should stay there. That's what immutability means that's what decentralised censorship resistant means and I think the trade-off of just throwing that out the window is way way more costly and way more destructive than letting someone steal some coins that were essentially already lost maybe in the tiniest tiniest of since the the better thing happened for the people involved in the people who had lost their coins, but I think absolutely the wrong thing happened in the sense of Are We building something secure in different or are we just doing the same crap that we've always had the same political mess and we're just Making it into a network where a couple of miners just say what the rules are and who gets the who gets to make transactions and who doesn't that doesn't solve any of our big problems despite the fact that their reorg may have solved a small problem. So that is essentially the whole mess as far as I can tell I did tag a bunch of people in the bottom of the post to Hope. Awfully like Masari crypto, and I'm sorry that I owe Nick Carter didn't X research a bunch of errands on Werdum. I wanted to see if like Daniel goleman. I want to see if these guys could maybe dig a little bit deeper because I can't you know, I'm not going to be able to look in the block explorers and do a lot of the stuff that I'm sure they could so hopefully and hopefully we'll have something specific written really long thought. Out thing discussing this entire thing in depth that hits a little bit more details and maybe clarifies or correct somewhere that I'm wrong. I'm sure I'm wrong about something here. I was scrambling to put all of this together and again is all from Reddit. So that's take that as you will but I just thought it was really important to get out quickly so that everybody knew because somehow this has been sat quietly four days and four five. Days and nobody knew I can't believe I seem to be the first one to be talking about this. So with that I guess we will close this episode out. Hopefully maybe we'll be able to read something specific on the show that really hits the details but that is essentially what I discovered in what I tried to sum up in into the the Twitter thread on the Bitcoin cash 51% attack. All right, guys, this has been a guys take episode if you would. To support the show. You can always go to crypto Kana me dot life. I've got a Bitcoin address a QR code in the side to side bar there and I've also got a lightning tip jar and this show runs on donations. So if anybody can donate or would like to support the show and appreciates the work I'm doing I would very very much like to appreciate it. And the other thing you can do obviously a shared around with everybody know that's a great way to help out the show and help me grow. Row this audience. So thank you guys for listening. I'm on anchor and all the stuffs Please Subscribe. 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In a crazy conversation from last night's meet-up, I learned of discussion of a purposeful re-org, a 51% attack, on the #BCH chain by 2 miners. After a few hours scrambling to pull details together this morning, this is what I've discovered so far. Don't miss this Guy's Take episode all about the #Bcash 51% attack!

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Welcome back for another episode of our Orange is the New Black after show another emotional episode. Yeah. I still don't know how we're dealing with everything but we're here. I'm April listen and joined by my lovely co-host Breanna. Hello and Francesca. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And lastly. Thank y'all so much for joining us. We have our chat. I'm in the chat right now. So let us know what you thought a friendly reminder to everybody that we have not watched ahead. We are only at the current. Episode 2 episode 5 that we watch so for saying things that don't make sense because you watch the whole season just know we haven't watched it and don't spoil it PLS. No spoilers. Y'all such an emotional episode. Yeah. You think I cried this time. I really did. I was glad I was in the trailer by myself. This time has a tear like trickle down. Oh, yeah, you know, I was this close. Yeah. I was so close like simple things hit me pretty hard, but I was like every episode lately though this season. It's like they keep hitting you with the gut punches. They are just not giving happy situations to our girls at all. And it's like oh my gosh, this is Bleak, right? I keep feeling like we have to get some but I mean, maybe not as we see tonight so much happening. Obviously, we have so much to talk about but y'all tonight be sure to stay tuned because we have our special segment. Also some great news and gossip and we want to talk prediction still even though the whole season has aired. Aired but we have not seen it yet. So we can still predict everything right you guys watching live can laugh at us if we're wrong the right. This is gonna happen. We're probably so wrong, but that's okay. I want to start off with to me or to all of us. Probably number one thing upsetting Maritza obviously being deported. Obviously. I want to talk about the details of it all but shocked that it happened or not shocked that it happened shocked. Yeah. I think I'm This a shark happened. So suddenly I like get chills thinking about it because it's so sad and it's such a real situation for many people and see and seeing it just happened to someone we care about and for doing something that she thought was right and just having this be a consequence and the shot at the end of the episode was so chilling. Yes, but yeah absolutely shocking it was like you guys watch the handmaid's tale. Yeah. I can't focus on her. Her except this was just like wait way so sad. I mean, you know, if you're talking comparisons to handmaid's tale than the show got really dark. That's that's very true. I but I was definitely shocked because you know, they they brought her back for us. They didn't have to do that. And I think I think the turning point was when she had a weakness and she saw everyone else in there having the same in the same boat as her and she decided to share that number. Yeah guards were watching then. I was like, I didn't think she was gonna get deported but I was like, oh this is gonna be just not good. Yeah. I didn't think she would get deported either but like you said, it's a great turning point because it shows how much she's matured. It's like she knew that there was a risk because At first she said don't share it, like don't let anybody know and then eventually she was like a fit I see all these people suffering I want to helm but I thought they would just transfer her somewhere really far like, Texas but to deport her. Her that was a lot. I'm really sad, but see even that like, you know with these inmates we see that they get deported to other places that that's usually like the course of action there. But like this is a totally different system and we hadn't seen it yet. So that's why we hadn't even considered the possibility that she could be sent to a country. She's never lived in before and that's crazy and it just shows you how different completely different track and system these, you know women or people are in when they're in this no-win situation. I mean they talk about it constantly meaning the characters on Show like this can happen at any moment. We never know, you know, obviously we see the situation with Blanco where she's just gone and they have no idea. They're they wander the whole time. It showed a hearing issue. Not with Moritz. I think I'm I'm shocked because it's like she was only there for this. Yeah, you would think that as a show they're going to keep her for longer. So, I mean that's like bringing in the TV to it. So that's not the importance that I think that's actually why I was so So shocked which is totally nothing to do with situation obviously, but also just because it's like so she automatically got put into the situation for trying to help people and I mean she knew better like you can tell in her face. I wish you would have I mean it's happened. So it doesn't matter and it probably would have happened anyway because of her hanging out the number but in the way that she did it. I was like, I know I'm walking right now. Please I need you. And that's why I part of me feels like maybe she noticed them seeing and she didn't care or maybe she was very oblivious. It looked like she was kind of oblivious. Yeah, I think she was just trying to hurry along and give as many people the number as she possibly could yeah, but even when she did it before we see them looking at her I was like, this is just Bad News Bears because everyone's looking and it sucks that she's just trying to help people but it's paying the ultimate price herself and maybe she did it so quickly and in such a manner because she knew ooh, she might change her mind later. And in that moment. She was feeling like no, you know what this is the right thing. I'm just going to do it before I change my mind and I think what's cool. It's like you're right. Should we just got this character back and she's only been here for a handful of episodes and now she's gone and I feel like it just shows you what a good job the writers of these shows of this show dud because like we she was gone and I she's back we cared about her so quickly once again, and then like they got us and even in these few episodes. She's grown so much like she was like, you know judging the girl or the woman sitting in the Through my life, you know giving her the side I like. Oh you just you're making the smell and I know she was judging everyone around her like no, you know what I'm better. I'm a citizen and then she quickly turned into a place of like, oh, I understand and have empathy and from the start of her being in the Detention Center to at the end where she don't want to help she was above them and then she went from like risking her own situation to help them others like how quickly she grew and I feel like that's really cool. Definitely. I just wish she waited until after she met with her lawyer. I'm like, dang you. Couldn't wait just a couple more days or maybe just a day. So I hope it wasn't all in vain because they said once they find out about you guys contacting lawyers. They're going to shut it down. So, can you imagine her doing all of this risking herself getting sent back to Colombia and then they shut down the phones and they can't even make the calls. That's probably exactly what they did because as soon as I see her doing that so I'm sure they went over to everybody and grabbed the paper to see what it was. I mean that's thinking ahead obviously and it doesn't matter ultimately but it's like a you're probably exactly right because they're going to find Out quickly. All they have to do is dial the number. Yeah, see what it is. Exactly. I also at this just came like into my brain. I'm like really we shouldn't be shocked because what was she actually I'm asking this like to educate myself. What would she have actually done? We obviously found out last episode that she was not born in the United States. So what could she have done? Is there anything unique make the case that like, this is the only home she's ever known. She didn't choose to come here. Yeah as a child. I mean, you know, that's a lot of dreamers there in that situation where they were brought here. And so I mean you basically have to find someone that is willing to help you and I don't know the whole legal situation of habit. But I mean there is there's a path hopefully or at least attempt to try to like figure out a way to stay here. Well, we did I mean we saw Blanca in the courtroom, but we didn't even get a chance to see Maritza doing that. So yeah almost like they just skipped a step and we're like you're out so it kind of sucks because we don't really know what happens. Yeah to get her to that point. Um, but I would think the step would be the court hearing which she didn't even get right and that's what they kept saying that sometimes people don't even get them if they've done something whatever or maybe she did and she just didn't know what to say. She didn't notice that oh, I need a few more days to meet with my lawyer. She just thought this is what it is and I can't prove that I was born here. So here I am which is just crazy because the government expects you to know those things like yeah, I wouldn't know that I was born in United's there's no way I would know more and that courtroom scene showed like not only do they They do people not know about it, but maybe they don't want you to know about it. Or maybe it just makes it easier to judge was annoyed at Blanca for you know, something right. He's like, oh you copied her. Well, yeah. I mean if I'm learning something that's going to be advantageous to me in court. Why wouldn't I do this like and he was like, oh well, thanks for wasting our time. It's like well, she didn't ask for this hearing. She was brought here before she got a chance to even talk to a lawyer about this the whole situation was unfair. So it's just it's a terrible system and the show is doing a good job of reflecting what's happening. I mean the last shot with them. The airplane they're all disappearing. I was reading a couple of comments online and it's kind of like this is a group of people that like people just want to forget they want it to ignore them to disappear almost like they're not human and I think that's what that shot at. The end was like they slowly just disappear because we don't want we don't want them anymore. We just want to ignore them and it's really sad it is speak on the block of situation another question to be better better educated about it. So she's in the situation where you know, we know that her green card. I don't know if it's a officially been revoked but it will be or she has to go through all these extra steps. But what her thing is that she's going to wait and try to find a lawyer which she has the code. So maybe she will get one but what happens if someone can't find a lawyer they keep postponing it or are they allowed to eventually just be like no, you gotta go. Well, I don't think most of them don't even know that they had that opportunity to say that yeah, so I think most of them would just but I am Blanca situation would they just keep going until they like saying the same? I doubt that they would be that patient, but I think it will work. Maybe the first time possibly the second time I think by third time third strike you're out. Like if you can't find a lawyer yet. You got to go because the fact that the judge looks at it as you're wasting this Court's time rather than saying you're fighting for your life trying to defend yourself mind you English is not your first language. You have no legal history or educational history. So you have to defend yourself and do it. You have to do so I highly doubt that they would let them keep going. I don't know if this system is meant to be fair, but I would hope that they do continue it extending it because if the reason they're delaying is because she supposed to have a lawyer and she's unable to obtain one because she's in this restrictive situation and that's not on her and so they are still not affording her the right that she supposed to have so I would hope that they keep allowing her the time that it takes to get because again, that's something Beyond her control, but we all see the situation with Marissa and we don't know if she got Whole due process so it's almost like you don't know how much of a fair Shake they're going to give you. I don't think she got the process because remember in that there was a scene when they were talking about they either bring them up take them early in the morning or really late at night. So they're groggy and there's no fight. So it's like they take advantage of that fact that our can't fight back which is so crazy. And then even the scene with I think they gave us her name Rosanna. Maybe I could be totally wrong the lady who goes right before longer and is the one who gives her. The idea to ask for the lawyer. She says, you know flat-out. She's like it's on the government. It's on you to provide the you have the burden of proof. You have to prove that. I'm not an actual citizen not me. So I wonder if like they just eventually have to figure it out meaning like the other side. Yeah. So the eyesight if they just eventually have to be like, okay, she's going to keep postponing. So let's let's do this. Although you can tell that it's just like, you know, they're just going one after the other and it's it's For cold because we know that this is what's happening in real life and it makes it more difficult to watch like literally sometimes watching I find myself just like sitting there like a ball of stress cringing, you know, we take so many things for granted just the opportunity that we have to like be able to sit here and to see this happening every day and they're doing a great job of you know, kind of formulating it to where you understand it. But also like, you know, it is still a television show. But it's just sad and I still can't get over. No baby tears Wacha and Maritza one episode and then she's just like taking away. Whatever. It really bothers me to know how many like how the the lawyer just said. Well, she filled out a document that says she's and I'll sell a citizen of El Salvador and the woman said like I didn't fill out any document. I don't know what he's talking about. If he can't show you that document then I'm throwing that out that doesn't exist and it's so Crazy because in the real world, I wonder how many times lawyers use that tactic Knowing damn. Well, they don't have a document saying that but they know that as an immigrant, they're like, oh shoot. Well, maybe he does have a document. So I guess I just have to take the cell and go back to my country. Right? So it's just crazy how they just take advantage of the entire situation. Well, you know that other Show on Netflix when they see us about the Central Park five, it showed you how like they take advantage of like people who are scared who are vulnerable like I actually had a thought like maybe she did. Signed something but she didn't read it. Or maybe she did it because she was stressed or they threatened her she needed food or you know, it was in a different language or so forth. So it could even be a situation where people sign things that they didn't know what it says and it's not truthful but they're under duress or they're under this stressful situation where they're like, oh, you know, if you sign this you'll get to see your kids. If you sign this, you know, you'll you'll get released. Yeah. I know what's happening. Yeah, people take advantage of people who are scared all the time. Yeah, especially in prison and Ice. Yeah. See in the show some other people, you know, obviously I mentioned Flocka a second ago. They're still in the kitchen doing our thing, which is the whole reason we even are able to you know have Maritza talking to the lawyer in the first place because they're able to get some these. Well Flocka has the Contraband phone and there's just a lot of stuff going on that. I keep getting afraid that everybody's just gonna get screwed but that's neither here nor there. They're doing their stuff to try and help everybody Gloria is you know going out of her way. A to help Blanca and using the phone for her. It's was scaring me and maybe this is me being not maybe this is me being a little selfish, but it was scaring me for Gloria because I'm like, I you're doing the right thing. You're trying to help your friend. But then with these flashbacks last episode with her, I'm just like, oh gosh your please don't get caught and get more time because you have a lot of people counting on you. So it I'm getting nervous for her because she's still trying to do stuff to help Blanca and still trying to find her boyfriend. I guess mmm was just kind of makes me a little nervous but I don't know the rest of the kitchen crew. I mean mainly red is just she's what an order these going Branagh you maybe Francesca to y'all guess that she is there is something mentally going on with her. What do you think? Do you think it's Alzheimer Czar just dementia actually does seem to be that old but that's the thing like her age. That's why because I'm next next episode. I'm going to look up like the difference between dementia and Alzheimer's but I think it's one of the To and as just because of the fact that it's starting really slowly and it's she's aware that there's something off but she is so angry by it and she doesn't want to believe that there's something wrong with her that she rages and takes it out on everybody else, but you can see that Nikki and Gloria are like looking at each other like what is what's wrong with her and even you hear Gloria have a little sympathy and talk to her kind of childlike knowing that you're she's confused. She's a little frightened. So it's it sucks. Cuz I thought the kitchen crew would be our comedic like relief and when you see what's happening with red, it's like dang. I can't even really laugh at this either. I want to laugh at a joke. Nikki says, but then I'm looking at Red looking all sad like, oh my God, they're trying to make it work with like they'll give Nikki a line or two every now and then but then you have like you said right behind her you have Lorna right behind ya dear God even worse, but it's not worse, but Dementia, and Alzheimer's are pretty darn similar when you think about like what happens definitely there are differences, but I think what makes it worse is that you know, we're two episodes ago. It doesn't from what we see. Anyway, didn't seem like she was necessarily noticing anything but to see her looking in the casserole and pouring that whatever that was the Rob pasta wrong, right and it to try to fix it and that wasn't even right and it I mean, obviously we know the kitchen is what has always not will know her family. To the happiest but being in the kitchen makes her very happy. So I think see feeling and seeing herself lose control of that is probably even more difficult than you know, just being in jail and kind of feeling it in that way. I honestly the scene where she realized that she was the one that made the mistake after she's been blaming them all this time that I think besides Maritza that was like one of the hardest for me to watch because you know people that do have Alzheimer's dementia, like sometimes, you know, they go in and out of it and then like Just how sad to know like realize it but also realize that you have no control over it and there's nothing you can do like that just really like yeah get to hit ya really hit me and but I'm like, I'm so thankful. She has her like family because you know, we see Gloria at the end like, oh must have been me then put the salt. Oh my gosh like and she's trying not to make it a big deal. And that's good that she has it. That's it. Yeah, it's someone like red who was always such a like fierce. Mama, bear with you know her girl. She took care of them, you know with Nikki's addiction and with all of them, you know sort of going through really tough times Behind Bars and now, you know, she's at this place and I was still like I didn't catch that early on that. She might be slowly deteriorating. I don't either I thought it was like from the shoe, like maybe she still had like, you know effects dealing from being in solitary for so long and I'm still wondering if that like again, I don't know how you know these deteriorating diseases began and if that was a factor in that at all All but you know, I'm hoping that or I'm pretty sure that the family you that she has built, you know within the prison will be there and help her and you know, it will be sad to see her slowly like descent a little bit more. Yeah, I wonder if because she got a head injury because remember the scar I don't I can't remember how she got it boys. He scalped her but also like, you know the cheer her up a little bit. Yeah. I'm wondering if that could have put a you know, what extra push or like an onset of something in her medical. Hold that caused being that with the shoe and everything that happened with Frida the day that her she was finally supposed to see her kids and her grandchildren. Sorry. I mean that's going to drive anyone and give some crazy stuff and I think that it's definitely, you know, determining factor in making her be in a place where you know, dementia and Alzheimer's can happen, you know, relatively quote-unquote young and sometimes you know if it's in your family or whatever then It can definitely happen any faster, but it's just you know, she's red. She's that you know, very strong woman who's one of the leaders has been throughout the show. So, you know, you would think that they would give us a little bit there, but it doesn't seem like that either but that's okay. Also Jaber chin chat you are wrong for this. You said red and Lorna are a hot mess together worried. I mean We were talking about this last episode when she's like already kind of like always been off. Yeah, unfortunately in the deep end and like it's really sad, she should be in Florida that it's yeah, you said that last episode it's just gonna get worse. She lives in a world of delusion and she's always sort of created fantasy situations and when she got married it was like the one time that like a situation actually came true for her, but I know when her reality does it hit her dream, she will make it up and she will believe it. And take it as far as she can go. Dang that is scary is not have a friend like that that is draining what it is and to think like I know this wrong up so but I'd have to say it like she's posting a baby that doesn't even look like her baby like she literally Googled white black haired bit cute baby or something like that. I was like that baby does not look like yours. It's just sad, I mean the fact that she's making up fake make things. Although they were like really kind of cute like stinky make turtle it. Caputo I was like, oh this poor girl like she's just like doing all that sick doing all the work. Well, she's got some flesh on a plane. That's that's what it is. Like she's in pain and she does not want to deal with that. Right and she's not telling anyone which of course is just going to make it work and everything's going to build up and guess what when she does finally explode like we've seen her do before because that is part of a, you know, we don't know that she has a condition but she clearly had there's definitely something that's, you know, not just I totally yeah, there's something going on in there. Yeah, you have a lot of stuff going on to write for Tessa. Yeah, I was thinking about tater tots and how there's Terrace houses are so delicious and also blueberries. But before we get to those magical blueberries, I just wanted to say thank you guys for making us the ESPN of TV talk and we want to we want you guys to help us to can you continue to grow? So if you're on YouTube right now, make sure you hit the thumbs up and the Subscribe and if Listening on iTunes goes five stars and let us know what you're thinking. We appreciate everyone who's in our chat right now as well no matter what form your you're listening or watching on make sure to leave comments and get involved in our conversation and thanks. Thanks for being part of that. Thank you. Thank you all so much Sal siracusa in chat says it was V who beat up red and season 2, so she's been beat over the head quite a few times on hooli. Remember taste, he's not Mom but taste is Mall. Again Piper Piper again to her. What would I called Blue vowels? Lincoln Piper. Yeah, and she keeps finding new ways. I think they're trying so hard not to make her that way because I think they're just trying to show us another side but it's just not where she's just whining. Well, that's that's all she didn't whining. She's definitely whining but I think they are kind of showing trying to show the little privilege that she feels because really this parole officer is like my favorite. Yeah. I'm in there and humbled her so quick and said, you know you there's people in here that have like four kids. Yeah three jobs and they're doing anything to survive out here and you're too busy thinking about you know, what you want on the inside. Like if you don't reel it in and focus you're gonna end up right back in there and also your peas wrong her brother listen to her brother, but he's know what that's what she gets because Piper knew the right one to pick because Cal is a easy enabler for her. Yeah, and and Piper knows how Try to sweet-talk finesse and give you a compliment and then ask for a favor like she's that girl and she knows how to do it and cal cal is just a dope like he's going to go for anything. Have a good time talking about a snow day girl. You are 30 odd years old with how many responsibilities right now. You have a job handed to you by your dad that you locate threw away because you had a temper tantrum because he got mad at you right if you could get a grip or go back to jail. I want to see pipe and go back to jail. Well, here's the thing with Piper it's like I actually think the show is purposely trying to show someone who doesn't have a grasp of her reality who doesn't see all of the like I think they want her to be annoying because like I'm doing a good job. Yeah, perfect writing because you know time and time again, she's always given the benefit of the doubt. She's always given slack or some sort of benefit and she uses it to her Advantage. But then also she continues to anything that doesn't quite go away. She gives the like little poor dear, you know, like and cry. Like this should be hard. I can't drink alcohol my God. I know I get it. I would want to drink as well honey, but I don't just get out of jail. So I'm gonna have a drink fall on it her it just it just makes no sense. Like I fully we anyone can relate and that's that's the thing like take everybody situation out of it. But like if you're forced to do something because of this as this like that sucks you're working at a job that you don't think it's fun because what at least you have a job it was nice to have a place to live. You have a brother. The other thing I couldn't get over was even before the weed. I was like alcohol appears in your urine as well. So that didn't make sense to me that she was she drank an entire bottle of tequila and was having a bloody mary I didn't end up here. I Googled it because I was like is it I'm pretty sure it does but it's that it can be in your urine for up to 12 hours. So I would like is she just not. Yeah. Well since I do not think about that that's so that's a really good point. Have that so I don't maybe she planned on like doing something and obviously that gets out of your system way faster than you know, any trace of weed would but it to me, I don't know just to see her. It's like I'm happy that the parole officer gave her a shot by going to the what that alcohol classes whatever it is. I think it's actually a Narcotics Anonymous. I think she said narcotics and not Anonymous. Yeah, because she was smoking weed that because that would fall but um, I'm not smoking weed. She ate a blueberry. But I'm happy that she did that because I don't I don't want to go back down the paper Goes to Jail route because yeah been there done that. Um, but I don't know I just feel like she's still going to complain to be honest. And what's worse is that like every time she talks on the phone with Alex she gets so on Alex for like, you know, you have to do everything you can to be safe in there. Don't break any rules. I need you to come out and like Alex can't avoid these situations. Whereas like Piper can and she is like doing the It of what she gets mad at Alex for doing when she has no control over the situation. So it's more infuriating and then it makes me think like if Alex was the one who was out and Piper was the one inside like she would not be this little crumbling mess of a person who just complains about everything. So it's just it's just yeah, it's just like, you know, she's insufferable. Yeah. She's pretty selfish. Yes Alex. We are still having these like with the weird little meetings with McCullough that are very, you know, I want to just throw it out there because flirty Yeah, I was like obviously we know Alex is lesbian. I'm pretty sure McCullough is not I think we've talked about her with and she's forested. Yeah, but I'm like she giving out vibes. Yeah Vibes for sure, but she was like is she said something about what it what's it must be nice to be in a relationship with a woman and then we caught that I was like are you jealous that she flashed that Lacy bra I'm like, okay, like if you're doing that just like stuff stuff that I'm giving to you. I'm going to be like Okay, if you see my bra, but if I'm like if I want you to see my brother Billy, here's the charger like shitting a very pretty bra. It's just like that's not the bra you wear underneath your like prison uniform no, and she goes out of her way to go to the storage unit. Yeah, well t-shirt and my I like blinked for a second when I was watching that same but does she smell some of the clothes? You know, okay. I'm off to look down but I have time to rewind so I was like know what's so funny. I thought smell that. The way she was holding it. I wasn't easy for her to go like but she didn't she didn't I also how does Alex still pay for a storage unit? That's no I think about that. I just want to know because they're like a couple hundred dollars a month. Maybe it's a friends and she thinks something I don't know this you don't need to answer that question exactly what she is giving these phone charges out and that's how we see everybody talking to everybody the other people still dealing Our girl Daya. Oh man having her moments with tasty very very very difficult stuff to watch obviously with everything that's going on with tasty. But Diana is in this mode of I mean, do you think she's okay do you think she's actually willing if tasty gets this information from the Ward, you know sneaks it obviously do you think she's willing to actually give her the stuff to each other's houses. She is Stone Cold now. Now like she even the way she was speaking to her mother which we'll get to you because that was a lot of like she's just like I'm running this place like she is so detached from really caring about anything. She's just like about her and her business and her power now, which is like it's kind of tough to watch with tasty. I was so disappointed because when she went to the Ward's office, I genuinely thought she was being sincere and just to see her, you know reveal her true intentions to die. I was like damn it tasty. Yeah. That was that was that was another really hard scene. I was like, is she joking right now? Like she really went back and said, oh no, I still want it and like you know, she she said what did she say instincts kicked in when she was trying to kill herself and I thought that would be like a wake-up call and it wasn't and that she's like that desperate that she's gonna this whole the whole assistant thing is a whole ruse for her to help Daya so she can get she can hurt herself like that. It's just crazy. I mean I have hopes that like being in a situation like she's in meaning being Ward's assistant and being able to have access Access and interactions with people other than other inmates. I feel like could be good for tasty. I really just don't want to see that actually go there with her because that's just me loving tasty and I'm like, what's up, please please. Let's not go there. I think it will I think it will have a positive influence. Either that you were like, I hate it. Well go there was like I think her being in that situation. I feel like I don't know prediction here. I feel like she's gonna be in a situation that could possibly be Be a good enough information to pass along that would get her what she needs or she could choose to do something else and I'm hoping she makes the right choice. Yeah, I think I think when you're looking at when you're trying to change you have to want it. And so if she doesn't want to change she's not going to release the opportunity to yeah, but I think that seeing that Cindy is getting early release. I think that kind of motivate her either she's going to turn stone cold or she could get Formation about Daya to use against her and see if that could finesse her into getting an appeal or some type of something. I don't know. I don't know how the system works. Yeah, but it would be a smart thing to at least try. I know she doesn't want to be a snitch but it would be something interesting to see. Yeah, I mean tasty definitely would be going against everything she believes in but ultimately it's like I want her, you know, it makes me sad to think that like, I've almost given up on diet at this point is I don't ever want to give give up on her because like there's always a chance but I guess with tasty. I'm just like please do something and not get to that level that she's at but seeing her face when she sees the early release for Sunday, which I mean, I don't know I yeah, I'm I'm really interested to see how where that's going to go what she's going to do with that information. But on Daya really fast it which kind of leads into aleida as well. I was actually happy when she told off me to Mom. Uh-huh. Yes, she's in this place where she's Stone Cold and it made her able to say these things to her. But like her mom literally helped make her this way, you know nature versus nature and nurture and she like laid it to to latest rate. But in this episode you also saw a late as mom who you know, if you thought Elena was not a good mom, you know, you saw an even worse situation where she was essentially pimping out her daughter literally act what happened Carl. Yeah, and I feel like a lady Has such a strong personality, but she does care about her daughter. She just doesn't know how to show it like she cares about Gaia and but you know in that moment, she's really she's insulting her. She's not a nurturer. That's what I mean. She you know firsthand knows what it's like to be, you know, an underage girl having to be with like an older man, and she so desperately wants to protect her daughter from that. But she just like she just does not know how to handle a situation carefully and then she violates parole. Yeah, and now she's in the back of the cop car and just violate. All she just went she went great saying she went ballistic and but we can get it. Like that's your daughter. You see being put in the situation that you know is one of the worst situations that she can be put in but I keep thinking I'm like look what you've shown her as an example. Why would she know to do anything different not blaming it on a late at her daughter's actions are her own but it's like we talked about so many times the cycle of Elena's mom doing this terrible stuff to her. Okay. Maybe a later didn't directly pimp her daughter's out. But like she's got some stuff with Daya. She knew that men did stuff to die at and totally looked over it. I he her ex-husband and ex-boyfriends and whatever but so there's the part of me. That's like when the daughter runs away, you know, when they're in the store shopping. I'm like, of course like you only shown her that, you know men are used for this and this and this so it's almost like what you expect her to think is the right thing to do in this scenario. I might be playing devil Devil's Advocate love devil, but I guess but to me, I honestly don't I never really thought later cared at all. She's multiple times that she hates kids. So that's why I'm like, why does she have so many we know why but um, so honestly her daughter I was kind of I was again with the scene with died. I was happy that her other daughter saw this because her other daughter was already figuring this stuff out. She might not be the best daughter and not do like Like, you know proper and stuff like that TalkBack, isn't that but she sees what's going on and she's aware of it. And you saw she was right there with her boyfriend and her boyfriend said do you want to try some and she was like no. So yes, she was bad for running away and bad for hanging out with us guys older than her but I think she knows better because she's seeing things and I don't think I don't think it has ever cared and the only reason that she flipped out like that as because her daughter was like no and told her F off and she didn't like that. I can I see that I definitely agree. You because that same scene in the store die is real problem was just the age difference. It's not even like respect yourself because she told her daughter, you know do that do that stuff with guys your own age and just like you don't expect your mom to say you can get felt up and touched up but as long as it's not an older guy, right and don't like where is your motherly and still I saw that as like, you know, it's like when people preach abstinence two teenagers, it's like well, no, they're gonna do what they want. So she's being a real Stick Mom. That's how I thought it's like okay, you're going to hook up with boys. That's fine. Just do it with someone. Who's your age. Let me be a devil's advocate right here. When you have children. Are you going to be like you're not supposed to drink but you can drink at my house because I can watch you. I mean perhaps I don't because that's that's the kind of like those things. So it's like you you teach your kids like what they what they should do, but like also have some sort of like realistic expectation on it. And I feel like I do think that it cares about her kids not dying. Later, but I think she has an anger issue. I feel like she's like a little pit bull and you know in relationships and our friendships or her kids relationships like she just she kind of attacks really quickly. Yeah, and I think she attacks because she cares but even when she says like, oh, I don't care about kids. I hate kids. I think it's just her like own defense system. I think she's just a really broken character and she's very broken tough. Then it might Shield her but I do think deep down she cares. And I think she just saw red in that moment. I'd be picking up the statue and whatever because they did a good job with the flashback in kind of equating it to the situation that was happening at the moment and even identical. Yeah, even thinking about the okay. She says, you know go, you know go in the back of the what at McDonald's and drink and if you want but don't do this with older it's because that's what her situation was growing up. It wasn't necessarily with people her age. It was always this young girl. However old she was the time being with significantly older. Are men so she knew she you know, that's like the trigger in her obviously because that's what happened for so long. It sucks to see her in that situation and I just hope that we're not going to see her back in prison with Daya. Yeah, I guess we'll see. I don't know anything else with the episode that we missed before we get into our games and look ready for the game. All right do the game. I'm ready to Eggman and regarding yes. Okay, five quotes for you guys. You guys have to tell me who said it. So our first one is I'm sorry for my friend on the uptake. It takes her two hours to watch 60 Minutes. Oh, it's that one. I don't know way my gosh. I don't know this. Oh my why my bling my love us. It's it's Nicky, Nicky. Day, does that mean she's watching over me? Really? Yeah, I was praying to Beyonce in the set. Oh, yeah. Okay. I know you think you're grown because you've got some short and curlies down there of a voice like that will ruin your life. So hoped you would pick that one because it was my favorite has popped out like a sunshine beam. It's our finger bang anniversary. Oh, that was a yes. So gross. Okay. Here's the last one while you're here joking around with new flavor of the week who knew you were interested caramel. Yeah. Yeah. Okay y'all and now for a little news and gossip for everybody. Okay, this isn't necessarily news and gossip, but we just wanted to point out our lovely Maritza AKA Diane Guerrero wrote a book A couple of years ago about her own struggles and family issues with deportation. The book is called in the country. We love she basically writes about how when she was 14, but if her parents getting deported back to Colombia deported multiple times. Yeah, exactly. And so she is Very similar to what she went through on the show. It's a great read so definitely check it out. If she actually just last year adapted it for children. She changed the name slightly. I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank but she adapted it for like younger kids so they get my and she's a huge advocate for immigration rights. Yes a nice cover outside. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Let's do some quick predictions. We're going to be filming episodes tomorrow. But what do we got? Okay. My prediction is McCullough's next visit to Alex for the battery chargers. I feel like she's gonna wear that bustiers. She put it in the thing. No, that'll definitely gonna happen. But then what happens after that? Yeah boy nothing. She's for sure. I for sure think she's gonna put a move on Alex I'm swinging. I just don't know what Alex will do but she's for sure gonna cross that line. I agree. I think she well. I think Alex is gonna turn her down and I think we're going to Angry McCullough that mean spiteful. Yeah, that's scary. I think we're going to see red go majorly downhill, which makes me really sad to even think about but I think that's going to happen and I think Daya definitely is she'sshe's just that off at this point. I was kind of scared because I'm wondering if this really is the end of Maritza. It's like she's gone forever. I kind of am afraid that she is I think she is II. Yeah, so I feel like since her story got such a sad and dating ending. I'm really hoping that Blancas has the happy ending as far as like the to you know, ice cases and you know, she has a little bit of information now she's going to get a lawyer and you know, maybe she reunites with Diablo at the end. I don't know but that's what I'm gonna sleaze right now, please one happy ending. Yeah. Well, thank you all so much for watching. We will be covering episode 6 tomorrow definitely. Let us know what you thought because there's so much to talk about y'all can find us everywhere at AfterBuzz TV. You can find me everywhere at April was enhanced you can find me on. Graham at Siam be underscore Cheyenne see hia and any and you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at XOXO Cesc 8 this Leslie, you can find me at let's make that face on Twitter and Instagram. We also want our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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What is up guys? Welcome back to the show. We have got I'm actually going to go through a guys take episode today. I wanted to talk about the having. I wanted to talk about the kind of the market sentiment around Bitcoin. And why I really don't think the having is priced in um, and after going over a Nick Carter's article and also plan B's article kind of pushing back on the the idea and really digging into the idea that the risk is simply over balt. I guess you could say or overestimated which it has which is done in the past and I think that was really Good argument. I think he's he's really hit the bulk of what I wanted to get at. But I still think there's a lot more there to unpack as so I wanted to dedicate a whole episode to why I think the having just is not priced in on Bitcoin. Now, I do want to say I'm apologize I guess for the lack of episodes recently. It's been a crazy week and weekend a couple of funerals and Burial and everything so I've been really behind sorry for this being late, but I'm hoping I'll get back into the swing of things here. So with that before we get into this if you haven't listened to Nick Carter's piece on the efficient market hypothesis that was two episodes back and then the previous episode was plan B's article on that and how it may relate to the stock flow ratio the stock of flow model, which is what we're breaking down. So if you if you Covered those yet, or you don't know the stock to flow model. I'll try to give a basic introduction, but I really don't want to spend too much time on it because we've hit it a number of times in the past. I'll have links to those episodes if you want to listen to them. But essentially we've got the inflation rate is going to cut in half on bitcoin. And so the supply schedule is, you know running its course and we've got just a handful of months now until the next Bitcoin has Having and instead of 12.5 new Bitcoin every 10 minutes. We're going to cut that down to 6.25 Bitcoin. And that is a very significant Supply shock and I think the only way to start with this is just the basic supply and demand and of course, dr. Flow. So just for the idea of stock to flows doctor flow is just how many Bitcoins exist versus how many new Coins are being issued or entered into circulation. So the higher it is that means the lower the inflation rate. And of course in the not-too-distant future between is going to have an incredibly low inflation rate or an incredibly High stock to flow ratio and the efficient market hypothesis is essentially I'll just actually quote Nick Carter here because he does a really good job of breaking it down. And again, I highly suggest the episode if you haven't listened to his article an introduction to the efficient market hypothesis, but it's just it's essentially that if there is a piece of known information that a free-market one without any huge barriers or any, you know, government controls or inability to actually obtain the price they will reflect that information. They will price in that Nation as long as price in price-setting entities are willing and mechanically able to act upon it that was kind of his caveat in the article, which I thought was a really great way to just kind of Define it because there are caveats to the efficient market hypothesis is there are you know jurisdictional barriers or there are you know geographical and cultural barriers and liquidity barriers all of these things that prevent that equilibrium Equilibrium price from being found so despite the fact that pressures will always be to account for that information in the market. And I think it's really important to understand where that comes from is that it's people seeing an opportunity and Arbitrage opportunity across time. So that is what it means to price some information in that is in the future is that you see a higher price in the future. Sure, or a lower Supply available in the future. And therefore you were trying to you're trying to take opportunity or take advantage of an opportunity for Arbitrage across a six-month or a one-year time period so the question or kind of thought would be is why aren't we taking advantage of that or why is that not being accounted for in the Bitcoin Market or is it as as Nick Carter says that he believes that To having is priced in and that the supply the change in Supply is not important or that it should not affect on the price significantly, but there are other things that would affect demand in the clearly. Nick Carter is very bullish on bitcoin, but it's got nothing to do essentially with the supply because that is necessarily priced in the information is widely known it is freely available to anyone in the market. We have very high liquidity. The market has become very financialized since you know, 2016-2017 is really the explosion there. And then in the last two years, it's gotten even more financial eyes and available to large institutions and Arbitrage is basically non-existent and Nick and plan B really break that down thoroughly as to how like essentially Arbitrage across currencies and stuff is just not not. Not there the connections or the flow across borders and jurisdictions is incredibly good and so he did not see a specific reason why that information would not be priced in if the EMH of the efficient market hypothesis holds true. It seems to make sins that there is not much holding the market from pricing in the having which is right around the corner. So first before we get into it, let's go back and hit supply and demand again. This is very basic and it's really assumed in both the articles but just in case supply and demand is a very simple curve, you know, you have the little chart and you've just got the line of demand starting high and going low. You got the supply starting low and going high and basically the equilibrium price of the market the price that the The market wants to get to is where the supply and the demand cross on that chart and any time when those things are out of balance. That's an Arbitrage opportunity, right? And if you move if you shift the supply or demand like if you should shift the supply lower since it's an increasing line. Well, then that means the new equilibrium price is higher if demand remains static if everything else stays exactly the same if you shift the supply down if new Supply is harder to obtain. Well, then the price will go up all other things held constant. So starting from that. Has me starting from that known we know that if demand stays constant and you cut the supply in half for the new Supply and half the price must adjust upward. Alright, so now let's go back to the EMH statement the clarification or or the kind of extension of the EMH that Nick Carter uses because I think this is really good. Was that quote free markets reflect available information to the extent that price-setting entities are willing and mechanically able to act upon it in quote. I want to start with willing. This is where I want to so are they willing enable and and Abel? Now, like I said, I think Plan B really hit it on the head is that this is a this is a situation where they're trying to price in risk and it's important to remember too that everything is going to have a Time discount. So Capital today is going to be more expensive than capital in six months. Everything has a a Time cost to it. So even if if we are trying to price in the next having today, it shouldn't it is unlikely to price in completely because essentially the amount of value and the amount of capital available is going to be less. Typically. It depends on you know, what kind of monetary system monetary system you're in but if you just look at strictly resources, there's always going to be less today than there is in the future and it is far more valuable to have Capitol today right at this moment than it is to be pretty sure that you're going to have it in a year which is why this is premium which is why there's a 10% interest rate. That's why the interest rate exists. It's the relative cost of time for using up somebody's resources today versus waiting for a year. And that cost difference which is not insignificant is is there to attempt to price in a the time itself, but also the the risk no matter how small that I might not get. I might not get it any Year and that could be because the institution that is involved the person who's borrowed. It might collapse. Like I said the institution might collapse I might not be around. The new year, I don't really know. I hope and plan obviously to be around in a year, but I don't know so I could use those resources today and know that I got to use them and there are a lot of unknowns and uncertainties in Waiting for a year and specifically in handing those resources over to somebody else and hoping that I'm going to get it back. That is why it calls money to borrow capital. The higher the uncertainty the higher the interest rate the higher that premium is on having to get it today versus in the future. I think the vast majority of why I think that having is not priced in is in that right. There is in the fact that uncertainty is extremely high and very different for the Bitcoin market and for more specifically the price Setters and the financialized institution the the large financial institutions that are finally getting involved in this space. I think for the major price Setters and Nothing, literally anyone other than the hardcore Bitcoin enthusiasts uncertainty is seen as incredibly and Incredibly powerful force in this market and pushes prices down is centrally as far as they can. Go before they find equilibrium with Supply and essentially a foundational demand. I think there is a profound amount of ignorance about what Bitcoin is why it Here going back to the Nick Carter's EMH statement is the are they willing to take this bet are they willing to actually price it based on what it's what that future demands or what? Excuse me what that future Supply is going to be and here's one one really important thing too is that there's let's let's sort of just ignore let´s say that the time risk that the The the time discount quote-unquote or time premium, whatever you want to call it for Bitcoin is actually just the same as it usually would be for everything else. Why aren't all the having's priced in. I think this is a really important thing to consider if we're talking about how exactly the efficient market hypothesis because no matter what if we're going to reach if there is an equilibrium price here there is going to be time to finding that equilibrium price it's not as if the information happens and it's just like 10 minutes later it's like Boop now we've got the new equilibrium price there is a time to finding it and there is a consistent and ever-present pressure back back to the equilibrium price that's mostly what it is is a series of ever-changing pressures they never actually find a thing there's like you think about equilibrium price there's not really any such thing because there's no such thing as static information the state of the world is never static so there is only ever a pressure in some direction that is likely toward the equilibrium price based on the EMH based on this you know this Theory Which by the way if you haven't really dug into the ideas of prices and how they come about and high X piece the use of knowledge in society is all about that and I've got that as part 1 and part 2 and I've read both of these on the show. So I'll try to remember to link to those as well. But this has I constantly recommend this on the show. I'm sure you've heard me but if you haven't listened to it, you got to it's such a critical piece of this. Whole puzzle as to what prices are and how markets how they're used in a market like what's their role in the market? So anyway, so the back to that question, why aren't all the happenings priced in all the having's Phil Phil Geiger from Unchained Capital wrote a really good article that I'm actually in the process of doing audio for like a couple of them in his is one of them, but about how all 21 million coins exist already. And I think it's right and he makes a really good argument and but just just thinking about it on the surface. Is that everything about you know, the scarcity of gold or diamonds or platinum whatever it is. It's essentially guest. It's a it's theoretical scarcity. It's that based on our technology. This is roughly what we can find right now, but we don't really know somebody could stumble upon a very large cache of gold. It's somewhere, you know in a mountain there's something that we just didn't know about and increases the inflation rate at at an entirely unexpected amount and we don't know exactly how much is out there. We might find out that there's a lot more gold on this planet. We might find you know, if I tell us about asteroid Mining and some other planet or something there there may be there's tons of gold out there in the universe. The question is do we have the capacity to go get it? Because of that we really don't have any clue what the supply and inflation rate of gold is it's just happens to be relatively stable because of the nature of gold itself, but that certainly doesn't mean that it will be and and Bitcoin is completely different because he's completely different Bitcoin could not be more perfectly known to the end of things like to 21:40. We know exactly how much and we even can guess the dates that it's going to happen that the the supply schedule is going to change. So if if we assume that just because the information is known and just because you know, we can predict the time that's going to happen that we can still somehow evaluate and know what that future price is going to be then why wouldn't the 2024 having already be here as well? The price have already adjusted. I think Where we find the reasons that it has not adjusted to it is in a couple of things first is just the amount of time. It takes to mature something and for the essentially the markets to be certain that these events are actually coming in the future again back to risk. What's the amount of risk in holding it that long in in believing that that future is actually going to happen. What's the amount of certainty that we? or uncertainty that we have in holding it and having it today versus after The Happening actually happens now, I think it's time goes on that confidence will go up that degree of certainty will increase and we will start to really lead the having's and I think I'm inclined to think we'll do it this time just because there's so much conversation about it and it's far more widely known today than it was in the previous a and as Nick Carter said we have a far more financialized Market, but what I think that means is that we will we will simply lead it a little bit at least a lot more actually than we did last time. In fact last time we didn't lead it at all it it was basically dragging behind to the stock to flow ratio in a sense. Or at least it was it was underneath what the stopped a flow model would suggest was our new equilibrium price based on the inflation rate. So we've actually see the price being pushed lower and then pulled up essentially with that thing and I think you can't we cannot discount. I think they're the basis of this isn't trying to figure out why the structure flow is accurate because there is cointegration. The model is I think assuming just because it's convenient that this is a coincidence or that it just is random for as for his tightly as it actually follows that model. I do not think this should be outright discounted. I think it deserves a lot of attention particularly when you're talking about the monetization of a new You'll be able new good essentially. But I think that so much of the reluctance to actually price Bitcoin based on future Supply events is even though there's a lot of other things I want to get into. I really think that Bitcoin is just outside the Overton window for most investors. Um for I think there are plenty of speculators that are there just to put money on something but I think the mint Halladay of the market around trying to understand the significance of Bitcoin scarcity and trying to understand what Bitcoins utility look why does Bitcoin even exist? It is a wholly new type of asset. It's not just like we found a new metal and we're trying to figure out if it's going to follow the stock to flow ratio. We found something that we have no other utility for other than the fact that it is scarce and can be owned it. He's entirely digital there is no we have no reliable way to price this thing. We don't evaluating this good. Is it 100% unique in the history of markets? We don't have a easy way to do it. There are no price to earnings ratios. There's no Price to Book their there are no dividends to calculate it is a simple matter of I don't even think most of the people who invest in it who actually buy it as a Lid of asset can even explain properly why it would be valuable. So back to our basic supply and demand is our caveat that's is the supply is going to increase the price. Is that the demand remains static? I don't think anybody has that a I think they tiny tiny amount of the market actually has some degree of assurances that the demand will remain constant or increase. I think a lot of people I think a lot of people are in Peter Schiff situation is it this is a high bubble. They might put money in it to into just too. Play off of somebody else's hype to you know by the Ponzi scheme and be the one that got out before it all crashed on but I think a ton of people cannot explain to themselves why it would still be around in 6 months. Why would still be around in a year? I think the value proposition for Bitcoin for a scarce digital thing something that is completely made up in the digital world is so outside of the norm so out. Outside of the Overton window of the typical investor the people who have enormous amounts of money that they did is it simply they're unwilling they are unwilling to price in something like the supply change because they don't know if it matters. Essentially the risk of whether or not anybody is going to care about it. After that I think is seen as incredibly High. But let's say let's say they do let's sit. Let's say we do have some huge institution that really sees Bitcoin as valuable knows that it's going to be around the industry is also brand-new. Like Nick Carter says that you know past 2015 and 16. We were actually like financialized but I think in the grand scheme of things when we're talking about so let's go back to the stock to flow model real quick if the next having follows the stock to flow. Model and really follows the idea of the supply being the determining factor of what an equilibrium price would be for this Market. We're talking about trillions of dollars many multiple trillions of dollars. The amount of money that would require I think I think putting that amount of money in a market that can say it's financialized proton quote since like 2017. It's something that is seen as crazy. At least I would think that's how the General Financial Market would see it. This is an untested financialized industry, even the institutions that are supposedly good Fidelity digital assets backed back to his brand-new backed is barely out the And see me Futures like these other institutions, they didn't they're not even holding Bitcoin. There are the purchasing of Bitcoin in like CME Futures, whatever their cash settled so they don't actually they're not actually buying Bitcoin. So yes, there's liquidity there to price in something like that. But what there isn't is the assurances that you're actually buying a Bitcoin and the idea that you would put money into an institution that started in Timber that that's what I think is like September 20th, something was backed which is actually one that is actually bat hahaha snicker snicker backed by Bitcoin and that if you were purchasing it with them they were actually holding it and that you know, they're trying to have a consumer platform and all this stuff. I actually just read something just just the other day about they're going to have like an app that's going to look more like PayPal or something like that. So that really interesting but you know the part. Starbucks and I'll match All That Jazz but the first couple of days they were like a couple of bitcoins worth of liquidity. They dip their toes in the water very slowly. They're incredibly cautious and the entire not only is the industry. No, it has no it is not matured at all. It is so it is brand-new as a baby out of the womb and because of that there's no trusted reputation, you know, like these huge institutions when you talk about moving trillions of dollars. You just don't do that by searching Google and seeing what came up with the highest Yelp rating. You use trusted institutions that you've had relationships with for decades or years. They have been around since you know, the one that has 1906 on, you know, they're their copyright day or whatever the heck it is, but I don't think anybody with that amount of money with serious money like that is going to just throw it at something simply because there's liquidity available particularly something that is brand new and even more so so do they have the ability to store it does the company that's got this new reputation and this brand new industry. Do they have the ability to store it safely think about all of our vaults that have worked all of the processes and everything. They don't necessarily apply to bitcoin. It's a very different mechanism again, all of this the systems for electronic transfer and electronic ownership of goods in the financial markets. Are specifically secured by the ability to edit it later if something goes wrong. That industry does not know how to deal and is absolutely by no means ready for the security practices necessary to secure an append-only database one that cost millions of dollars to attempt to reverse and is politically or I guess you can see socially or like by the protocol practically an impossible task. This is not a call up customer service and reverse the transaction situation. So who do they trust with that sort of money do they trust themselves? I think it would be like is if if a new metal came on the market and again, we're trying to price it with stock to flow or something or we're trying to figure out what it's useful for with, you know, a utility. We don't even know the market. It has even found what all of the utilities are for it. Is it is it even conductive, you know, like does it work good in electronics? Does it work good in you know structures of buildings and all of this stuff like we have no idea. What it's good for really were just starting to scratch the surface and at the same time somehow you can't protect this metal with all of the vaults in all of the infrastructure that we already have. We have to recreate it from scratch. Well, somebody is going to see buying that metal. If you can't put it in the vault you already have now the cost of having that new metal is not just the price of the metal and the price of time if Or again with say we're pricing and you know, the fact that the inflation rate is going to be, you know lower later. They're trying to price that in so not only is the price of time there, but the price of feeling like you probably have to redesign and construct an entirely new Vault and security system in order to properly store it for yourself and I feel like most people who are holding that amount of money are going to want to custody it themselves. I could be entirely wrong about that point. I don't really know the ins and out. I have never looked at a balance sheet anyway with a trillion dollars on it. So I don't know what those institutions do but regardless of whether or not they want to self custody. I cannot imagine that they are fast and loose with where they put that sort of capital. And in addition you look at this industry. There's an article on bitcoin magazine very recently 2019 was the worst year for hacks. We've ever had um, not for amount actually because of Mount gox and was in 2018 is like coin check or something like that. I can't remember Reddit some time ago. I'm just actually still I'll try to link to that one to I'll try to remember to put that in but it's just about all the hacks that Happened this year in the amount, but because of those two big ones those amounts were so high that the amount this year was not the max. In fact, it was like half of what was in coin check or something like that, but in 2018, however, the number of hacks and think the reason the amounts as well weren't so high is just because exchanges have learned not to put so much freaking Bitcoin in their hot wallet. But hacks are not uncommon. They are not they're not really getting better in the degree of Or in the sense that exchanges you can expect an exchange to just not get hacked. I still think the exact opposite is true is that if you're holding money with an exchange, you should always think that the longer you have it there that it doesn't get hacked that you're just you're right around the corner from being hacked. It is so common in the industry and I think that's another part of the maturation process that is not there and another part of why there's is the perception of whether true this is arguably you can say this one is true the perception that holding Bitcoin in any form or fashion is a giant risk, if we're dealing with people who are anywhere in the ballpark in the same stadium as Peter Schiff on his degree of intelligence or Competence in regards to how he stores his Bitcoin. We are going to really bad spot if we're trying to claim that that market is ready to price in, you know, the next having or is at least not considering that a risk. I would imagine that a huge consideration mostly because it's consideration for me. And I know what I'm doing and I know the risks I'm not you know, I know how these institutions can hacked most of the time. I stay very up-to-date on it which may or may not be a good thing for my perception of it. Um, but because of that like like I know the risk and it scares me and I think the fear Much of the fear comes from ignorance from not feeling or from feeling like you do not have a clue what's going on. Then you don't know the risk and I think which is why I think that risk would be overestimated. One of the you know, the risk of exchange hacks was listed in plans be a little like where he thinks a risk is being overestimate and I think that's a huge part. Now even know if it's easy to overestimate that in fact, the hackers are actually getting better at At it they're getting more particularly in the context of like chain analysis in stuff. They're getting better at hiding their money their knowing not to be quite as stupid and where to move their money to still getting call and you know chain analysis is still basically able to break most of the Privacy measures, but nonetheless if the hackers are evolving and the number of hacks are increasing that that risk isn't Smaller with time to hold money with somebody else again. It makes it look like the only way to actually hold, you know, a hundred billion dollars or trillion-dollar securely in this asset, which is exactly what's needed to really price in all of these future having's in the idea the real true nature of the scarcity of Bitcoin may just require making your own custom proprietary held in a secret Hardware wallet in a bunker. Vault, you know, like I think it would looks more and more for an institution in that position. There isn't a safe place to hold that amount of money in it. And that even if I'm I stand to make 200% 300% Is it worth the possibility of losing it all not even because you know the price crashed but just because you might just lose it. I mean, yeah, there's the plan B talks about in his article the risk and return. Learn model is that like World of the risk is only 80 percent and the return is 200% because of the historical price moves. That's not the risk here to risk really is 0% or a hundred percent. Excuse me. You're just going to lose everything because there are a lot of ways to you lose Bitcoin that have nothing to do with the price crashing. All right, there's still a number of other points that I want to hit on the are of these institutions willing and then another couple I want to hit on whether or not they're able to price this in but really quick. Let's get our sponsor. I had to go get a drink of water and we'll be right back. 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So if you were thinking of starting a show or already have a podcast, there's no better platform out there check out anchor by downloading the app or go to Anchor dot f FM today So there's something else at play here that I think is probably one of the key factors a to assessing the risk and be also trying to price in future events. So the cost of time ends the cost of the risk associated with actually being involved in Bitcoin. So again, there's all the immaturity of the industry the very very new avenues that it's to the financialized institutions In fact, actually there was this one have what was that? I forgot about this. It was actually a and ARA an episode of something that I listen to it might have been Tales from the Crypt. Maybe it was the one with um, Man, I'm not gonna remember the name. I'm gonna see if I can find it again, but there's actually one with somebody who is part of these funds and moving enormous amounts of money around and actually said something about hedge funds wanting actually being interested in buying Bitcoin, but could not For having any sort of a large stake in any significant amount of money in it couldn't justify it to their investors. They felt it was too scary or the even though they believed in it or something that it was such a difficult sell to most of their investors. They didn't invest that money into it and alternative assets, which I think Bitcoin would fall under, you know, hedge funds will invest in Commodities bonds, you know. A bunch of the very typical stuff, but then they do they do startups as well. Even though that's riskier and not a huge portion of their I think it's like something I read recently was like half of their money is in the traditional sort of bonds and things like that of the more safe-haven assets, but then they do invest in alternative assets and they do invest in more risky Vehicles Bitcoin being an example, I think. Of not really a start-up not a small stock with a lot of potential but an alternative asset like buying a piece of artwork and you know baseball cards or something like that which you know funds do actually Duke but you gotta justify that stuff. You have to justify that sort of thing to the investors. You have to know what you're doing have to be very knowledgeable in that and again, I think this is specifically one of those cases in which There is such a huge lack of knowledge and lack of confidence in so many different ways that the Bitcoin does not fall under a safe alternative asset. It falls under a giant question mark of is this stupid or not. But back to the idea I want to get at is that so yeah, there's all the maturation there's high risk and holding it etcetera Etc. But let's take a comparison of something that we know would adjust to the inflation. That if there was going to be a known Supply shock in the not-too-distant future. Why do we know that this asset would respond to it? What are the characteristics about the industry and about the asset itself that makes it obvious that the efficient market hypothesis that the the efficiency of the market would work incredibly quickly to price that in as soon as possible. And then ask does Bitcoin have those characteristics? So let's look at gold. Let's say for some reason we know some giant mine did it produces half of the gold reserves in the world? Let's say it's sitting under a volcano or something like that you like and we know in just a couple of months. This mine is going to be completely inaccessible and all the gold will essentially be irretrievably And this is literally half of the inflation schedule and we've got two months left to get as much out and we just know we're going to miss like 90% of it. There's just nothing we can do. Well they're going to price that in right the market is absolutely going to adjust for the fact that holy crap in two months is going to be gone and the inflation schedule is going to be very different. So why do we know gold would do that? I think there's a handful of key reason one Gold's Market. Nobody thinks the supply mean. Nobody thinks the demand for gold is going to go anywhere. The demand for gold is not shaky. And even when it does subside at times, even when you know, when there's high in certainty and confidence in the markets and gold isn't really used as a hedge months. It's always going to come back around gold has an incredibly - Market presence it's used for lots of other purposes is got utility and electronics and all these manufacturing purposes ends when the price actually falls its use in all of those other areas goes up because it becomes more affordable to use gold which is a better alternative in some of these cases for those utilities. So there is all of this confidence in the industry and there's all this confidence in the other utilities and ways that gold Can be used and the fact that even if the demand does subside for some reason it will come back there for the markets going to price in a very quickly. There's no it's there's no question. That gold is still going to be around in, you know six months when the inflation rate is cut in half like nobody's like, oh the what if the industry goes away, no, nobody's nobody's concerned about that. And what's the most important factor there at least in my in my perception particularly in how it applies to bitcoin? The Lindy effect gold has been around for thousands of years. It's not going anywhere. So the Lindy effect. We've covered it a number of times on the show, but I actually couldn't find a specific article about the Lindy effect. And there is one that I read. It's like Bitcoin Lindy and something something is the title if anybody can remember it, please tweet it out to me because I can't remember exactly what it was, but I don't have audio. It on the show, so I might actually just cover something about the Lindy effect. But basic idea very simple the longer something has been alive the longer the sentiment is or the mentality of the market and the participants are that that it's going to continue to survive that it is proportional to the amount of time. It has existed for how much time it has left how long it's going to be around so Like right now the internet if you're investing in something in the internet or you're building something on like let's say you're a company and you're trying to you're spending an enormous amount of money to build a large internet presence. Well, you're not concerned that in five years the internet might not be around because the inner has been around for like 30 years now in a huge capacity. So it's like we can easily expand out or extend out 30 years in the future and assume yeah, the internet's pretty much going to be here. Kind of considered a normal facet of reality. Now. This is this is the new normal the internet exists and it's not going anywhere. That is the Lindy effect gold has an unbelievable Lindy effect. There is no Lindy effect. Like Gold's Lindy effect. That is why the market is going to price that in not only that but it has all of these other uses and it has these other utilities which actually make it a worse money, which is funny even though it It gives it a better. I guess you could say demand floor. It does actually make it worse as an economic measuring stick in there's a really great piece by Connor Connor Brown Bitcoin has no intrinsic intrinsic value or doesn't have intrinsic value. And that's great. I think is what it's titled. Oh man. I've got so many links. I just keep I just keep pulling them out. Okay. I've got to start writing some of these down there. I'm gonna forget all of this. I'll try to remember to Link to that one in the show notes. That's a really good one, but How do we compare that to bitcoin? What's Bitcoins Lindy effect? So back to my original question the question I actually started this off with is why aren't all the having's priced in. Because there is General there is no Market sentiment or pressured the Lindy effect suggests. There's no reason to think Bitcoin will be around for another three having's we've only been through to this is this is number three Bitcoin just turned 11 years old and is far as its Market presence. Its nine years old really ate before that. It could have been killed before that. It was incredibly. Why's it was Tiny? It was it was a it was a baby still in the womb just released into the wild, you know, and so the Lindy effect for Bitcoin is a powerful force. I think for keeping the price down because if you're trying to plan for something that's six months out. It's a year out that's eight years out. And the thing that you are investing in is barely eight years. sold That's going to be seen you might not price that in at all. That might have a price of zero today regardless of what it means in the future and you know cryptography has a shelf life traditionally even even sha-256 has the possibility of being destroyed or being made obsolete by new technology new methods. You know new math that essentially and we could just we could find out that it's actually there's actually a way it can quantum computers. You don't notwithstanding but the assumptions of the the hard problems of the you know, one-way functions and the fact that some things are just incredibly hard to do might just be because we're humans and we're really incapable of doing things. Um, and you know, maybe a computer that's just made to it. It on one thing and learn from it and do it hundreds of trillions of dot times over a period of five years figure something out that we never could just from the process of elimination just from essentially an evolutionary process of code figuring out that there's a way to break some cryptography. So this plays into the Lindy effect this this plays into the value of any perceived thing that's going to happen in the future is that if it's only six months out, there's really a question as to whether or not this thing is going to be here in six months. If it's if it's 10 years old, you know six months is one-twentieth of its life, you know is does it you know, what degree of discount does that get for having to wait six months when we when there isn't an established? Polish market and again, it's so hot outside the Overton window of what the typical investor and asset. There's not even a standard way to measure it. You know, there's no way to even value this thing. Why does anyone value it? I think it's so misunderstood that all of these things are exaggerated. So even even though I think these risks and the Lindy effect and all of these things the time cost the uncertainty in the space. Or not it gets the exchange or the institution that you're using gets hacked whether or not you can even hold it whether or not that amount of money can even rightfully be stored in it. I think all of these problems and risks are exaggerated because there's such a tiny amount of the market. The even has a mental hold on why this thing should be valuable why it has any demand outside of sheer pure speculation right now. Now we read Parker Lewis is article on the show, which I think it's one of the gradually then suddenly series which we have the rest of that series coming very soon. But that Bitcoin is not backed by nothing another one. I highly recommend if you haven't listened to I reckon I highly recommend that whole series it's fire but Bitcoin is not backed by nothing, um breaks down how Initially what Bitcoin is backed by its utility and its its value is in its monetary properties the adherence and assurances to its monetary policy that we get and again, I don't think any of the normal investors any of the normal Financial. I like financial industry price Setters have any way to price that they do not know how to evaluate the likelihood. Hood or the Assurance of the monetary properties of this asset and that is what it's backed by which is why I think the actual real world Supply commands more power than the information of the next having is that when the supply actually gets cut in half that is when the market responds to the fact that there is going to be less Supply. There's still a couple of more things. Want to hit I'm going to get to to my conclusion too quickly. So so what's the value of money? So if this thing is valued by its monetary properties and money is the tool that it's good for what that what's money good for so we read another one that I love and highly recommend by ions from and Hapa the yield from money held reconsidered and talks about holding money or the very nature of having money is As a hedge against uncertainty against future uncertainty and this is why I think Bitcoin does not yet fulfill the role of money except for a tiny subset of people myself being one of those is that it only Hedges uncertainty. If you are more certain about Bitcoin, then the uncertainty that you're afraid of and that is where like someone in my position like when I've read all of this stuff and I'm broken down all these arguments and I feel like I know and I've really dug into the weeds of Bitcoin to see what it is and then subsequently learned about the risks associated with the alternative. Well Bitcoin is money to me because it exists does exactly that I'm hedging against uncertainty. I don't know what the hell's gonna happen with the Global Financial system negative interest rates seem absolutely batch. It insane to me and it scares me to no end to have money locked up in that world. Bitcoin is Bitcoin is relief for me. But I do not think that is how the majority of the market season. I think it's just the opposite is that all of the normal mentality and all of the hedging against uncertainty is specifically in things that are not like Bitcoin that are not these add new assets and alternative investment vehicles. So I think the predominant reason Bitcoin has value is completely lost on the institutions that are supposed to be setting its price. I think the information of what makes Bitcoin valuable the knowledge and understanding in the market is not there the confidence in it is not there. And again there is no consensus on any sort of valuation method the fact that we've had three episodes about the stock to flow ratio, I think is just here. Is some degree of proof of that there's stock to flow is an incredibly contentious thing to talk about because so many people will think you're crazy and stupid for thinking just Supply would have an effect on the price when everybody knows it's going to happen and Nick Carter laid out his argument incredibly well and I think he had a ton of amazing points. I think he's exactly right to on the nature of the efficient market hypothesis. I just think he discounts a lot of Just held new and when hunt just untested just this thing is just not like all the others. It just isn't and I don't think anyone sees it with that degree. I think the only people that are willing to throw their money at it and take the risks on the exchanges and do all this are speculators were just trying to make a buck and it's not people who understand what Bitcoin is is really valuable for and it's not demand that will stick around in the face of something very disastrous happening. I think those are the holders of Last Resort and I think they do produce a price floor and they play an incredibly important role, but it's not in pricing in future events. I don't think there's enough Capital there to account for that. And of course, I don't think the mentality is there to to properly S what a change in the supply of something that somebody can't even explain why it's not valuable any value right now why a change in Supply or how a change in Supply would affect it? And then basically after that, we've still got a whole crap ton of other risks that plan B went into the just give it coin might die huge software bugs a huge software bug or even some sort of some part of the structure just ends up not working in some sort of adversarial scenario just because we hadn't figured out how to kill it yet doesn't mean you can't again this is very much is in line. The Lindy effect and how I think people would assess, you know, something that like this it is 10 years old and so such new territory. I mean how many people even in the world could properly review this system and explain whether or not it was Secure and how many people are going to put a trillion dollars into something that can't get to that point that you can't even you don't even know somebody personally that you trust that could tell you whether or not Thought it was safe to put in put money in but maybe it does survive. You know, maybe it is incredibly secure. Is he going to be legal when you hold it for six months when you hold it for two years? What assurances do you have that even if you think it's the future as an as a hedge fund as an institution to buy something this associated with drugs on the internet and terrorism. Again, what a barrier to wondering whether or not it's safe to hold this thing for an event. That isn't here yet. I mean Trump tweeted about Bitcoin and name it wasn't exactly a nice tweet quote. I am not a fan of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies which are not money and whose value is highly volatile and based on thin air unregulated crypto assets can facilitate unlawful Behavior including drug trade and other illegal activity end quote. That is the president of United States. If I am a hedge fund manager and I read that that is not exactly High degree of confidence for having a long-term investment in something that Donald off the hinge Trump is talking about in that language but really the one thing that threw me for a loop in plan B's article for the risk was his little tweet. He did a poll asking what the biggest fear of investing is. Or buying Bitcoin or something like that. I can't remember exactly what the question was. But the number one fear, which was something close to half a things like 40% of the answers. I wish I had actually saved this somewhere so I could have it right here, but that it was Futures manipulation was that you would be buying paper assets essentially that weren't backed by Bitcoin that the price was being manipulated and the Even if Bitcoins price pressure was going to go up the Futures markets and the financial markets. We're going to essentially cheat and push it down. So they essentially are saying that they don't believe they're getting a fair price that they're actually getting the market price. So again willing and able is this a market that is willing and able to price in the future having And you know, even though I discount this what about competition? What about competition if literally scarcity is the only value that it has what about Litecoin like Owens even got all these other utilities remember? He's got cheaper transactions be cash has cheaper transactions and all of this like if we if we don't have consensus on the valuation model. Well, then it looks like we've got a thousand Bitcoins to choose from again. Why would the demand stay for this one? When I've got this other one that's got shiny gadgets on it and it's got crypto kitties and all of these great things that Bitcoin doesn't have why on Earth would the Bitcoin Demand with with the demand for Bitcoin stay consistent on the supply gets cut in half or this the new Supply gets cut in half, but then that's not the case for this other one. and then of course if you just got here in Bitcoin, if you only been here since 2017, you never been through having so if the the reward schedule is essentially the security of Bitcoin, well, then what happens when the reward for securing Bitcoin gets cut in half is the having something that's going to increase the value or is it going to significantly decrease the value because you have there's there's Less Supply, but it seems like at the exact same time that you get less Supply don't you also get less security. Okay, I think we've hit all these risk. I mean there's obviously a bunch of other things that we could just come up with and a lot of other specifications that we can talk about as far as risks of holding Bitcoin in the newness of the market. But so why would Supply really be the thing to judge this by? Why would Supply have such an effect on it? If we are considering the cointegration and the correlation that Squared or whatever it is of stock to flow if we are considering the it's so high because it is true. Why would the supply of really have that effect on it? And I think it's because I think it's because it's so perfectly inelastic. The reason it's actually a good measurement or a good way to actually evaluate Bitcoin. Is because its monetary properties are its value. The combination of the scarcity of this asset overtime with its survival. Is proof of that monetary policy is those assurances which means I think it is a derivative of time which makes it incredibly difficult for to price that in first because of the Lindy effect because if it's not very old, well, then it needs to survive again and again and its security model is going to change completely in about three or four having's so again, do we know it's going to be here? And and then lastly the demand is so up in the air. The demand is such an unknown and it's so impossible to measure that in any other context it all it just and maybe I'm just holding on to something because I'm super bullish but it feels like it just makes sense to ignore that and look at the supply of the money scarcity is what makes this money. What makes this sound money scarcity is the key characteristic to all of this is that we have a scarce digital asset in in the digital world in the virtual world. We've created scarce we've recreated scarcity that is its utility that is its value. That is why we believe it will continue to have value in the future. Cuz it's done something incredible that has never been possible before in the past using an entirely novel economic structure like game-theoretic design essentially. I think finding the price of something like that. He's going to take an extraordinary amount of time. The market is not ready for it in a hundred different ways. But what's funny is I agree with Nick Carter. Did I think the efficient market hypothesis is right and I think his is explanation of why it's not as simple that you know, it's not the hard version or the strong version of the efficient market hypothesis, but it's the it's the one with those caveats are they willing and are they mechanically able to price this information in? I think that's absolutely right. I I think he's just missing where they are not willing and where they are not or how they are not mechanically able to price in. It's a the reality of the big one having. So if Bitcoin had a Thousand-Year established Market with consistent demand if there was no perception of competition that it was obvious that Bitcoin was the winner and none of these other altcoins thousands of all coins had any chance there was it was clear that Bitcoin had no second place. that if it was unquestionable that Bitcoin was not going to die if there was a strong consensus on exactly how to evaluate this thing and that the market wasn't just speculators, but it was people who knew and understand why Bitcoin had value and what Bitcoin was backed by that if if the liquidity and the industry if not only the Klute liquidity There and not only the Avenues for their but if the industry was new, I mean it was not new. It was old and a tried and tested and had an incredible reputation and none of these none of these were new companies and you know, we could use all the same hard tested lasted for decades security measures on this asset just like they did on all of the others that if hacks were in steep Decline and there was unbelievable regulatory certainty that Trump came out talking about how great Bitcoin was and nobody on the it was it was so embedded in the social psyche that obviously Bitcoin wasn't going anywhere and the the idea that it would be made illegal was just flat absurd that if all that was true. Yeah the having would be priced in But because of those things are in the way because those things are risks and uncertainties in a good whose dominant role may very well be to hedge against uncertainty. Judging by the stock to flow ratio may be the best thing we have for a little while and you know an eight years. I think that's going to change if we go through this next having and then the one after that and the security model shifts over to predominantly fees and we get a very different space. We get a much longer Lindy effect. We have companies that have now been around in the financial institutions for you know near a decade. I think after we Cross a lot of Market barriers and maturation process then. Yeah, we will start pricing those things in and I think this having I would bet that will lead it a little bit and maybe the next happening will lead it a little bit more and maybe it will break down as the market actually gets mature and we start to realize that holy crap and another three happenings. This thing's going to be a scarce f being asset and they start just leading to having's out. I think we are still very very far from that reality. I still think we are. I think that is not this Market on the end it right now the inflation schedule and the stock to flow may very well be the best pricing mechanism or the best valuation mechanism that we have. Um, and that the smartest way to measure whether or not to get into Bitcoin is the risk and return model like Plan B said so I guess we will close this here. This has been a guys take episode why I don't think the having is priced in and yeah, thank you guys so much for listening. I want to remind everybody today about bit block. Boom. He recently Gary Leland just recently tweeted out the whole lineup and I will be speaking at bit block boom and I have a discount code. So if you haven't gotten your tickets yet for bit block. Boom that is in August. It's like towards the end of August was like 23rd or something like that. Um, but I will be speaking there. I would love to hang out with you guys use offer code CC crypto condom ECC and you will get a 30 percent discount. I think it is. It's a big discount. So if you haven't gotten your tickets go ahead and do that now. Don't forget I will be putting all of those links that I recommended in the other works that are recommended in the show notes. And if you can remember if I forget to put one up there remember you can go to the crypto economy.com and just search for it and it will pop up pretty much everything is now on that website. There's still some tagging left to do which is what mostly I did yesterday. So there's more to come don't forget to check out. The crypto economy.com and get your tickets for bit block. Boom offer code CC for that massive discount. All right guys, thank you so much for listening. I love you all. I'm out. I'll catch you all tomorrow. Take it easy guys.

As a follow up to Nic Carter's excellent breakdown of the efficient market hypothesis, and PlanB's piece addressing the market's evaluation of the risks in Bitcoin, I go through the reasons I feel the market both is very unwilling and unconfident about the consequences of the halving, and therefore sees it not as "known information," but more a blind gamble. For diving deeper into the many topics and works that I brought up, here are the links of all those I remembered: • Nic Carter's "Introduction to the Efficient Market Hypothesis" https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_343---Introduction-to-the-Efficient-Market-Hypothesis-for-Bitcoiners-Nic-Carter-eac03b • PlanB's "Efficient Markets and Bitcoin's Stock-to-Flow" https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_344---Efficient-Markets--Bitcoins-Stock-to-Flow-PlanB-eaco0i • Hayek's "Use of Knowledge in Society" [Part 1 & 2] https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_250---Use-of-Knowledge-in-Society-Part-1---F--A--Hayek-e43pfj https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_251---Use-of-Knowledge-in-Society-Part-2---F--A--Hayek-e444k0 • Parker Lewis's "Bitcoin is Not Backed by Nothing" https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_335---Bitcoin-is-Not-Backed-by-Nothing-Parker-Lewis-e9v1rs • Hoppe's "Yield From Money Held Reconsidered" https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_122---The-Yield-From-Money-Held-Reconsidered-e2ndqn • Conner Brown's "Bitcoin Has No Intrinsic Value, & That's Great!" https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_249---Bitcoin-Has-No-Intrinsic-Value---Thats-Great--Conner-Brown-e43bcm Don't forget to grab your tickets to BitBlockBoom and use the offer code CC for a 30% discount!

Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. Hello and welcome back to the paddle and fin podcast as always. I'm Brian. I'm Jason tonight you guys or I should say this morning. Usually we recording these things in the evening this morning. We're coming to you with another epic guest. Mr. Rodney Yak Savage Hicks part of woo! Tungsten doomsday tackle to code a lithium batteries deeper catch products and never lost. Mr. Hicks, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me guys. How you doing? Absolutely, man. Yeah, we're doing good man. Oh man. I'm doing great man, whether finally cooperate, you know sun is out. Everything is looking good man. Just got to get past all this rain. Yes that everything's great. Yeah, buddy it got hot out to Lucky. Yeah, it's sorry man. I knew it was going to do that as soon as as soon as that weather board. I knew it was gonna get to 90s instantly. Yeah. Yeah. I just ran before we started this I ran to get a little cup of coffee. And yeah, man, it's already hot and steamy out there this morning. So but so Rodney, why don't you tell us how you got in a kayak and start a kayak fishing? Yeah, no doubt. So basically man, I was looking for something to take up my time I was doing A lot of things, you know will necessarily happy about you know, Friday night to go out to bars. She hang out with your buddies and I was doing a little bit too often. So I'll say you know what, I'm gonna go back to what I used to do with my uncle when we was kids. We used to go fishing on the Fox River alive. All right. Uh, so yeah. Yeah, so I went to Walmart one day just out of pure like I'm about to switch things up bought me a Mitchell spinning rod and I went out I went out and I went to BuzzFeed. Was burned out skunked skunked that place up every day. I mean I skunk that place up for at least two years and I was on YouTube. I think it was when he to really start to get crazy with the kayak Bass Fishing and I see no I see Chad Hoover on this kayak. I said what that matter of fact that he was on a commander. That's that because that's how long ago it was right. He was on the commander and a man that's got to be cool man, cuz I'm tired of standing on a bank about this time I got Five rods, I think my gear is up to par, you know, and I talked to my wife and I said hey babe, I think I want to get a kayak and after you know pleading with her and going back and forth. We finally get to Bass Pro Shop. I get a kayak and I think that was 2015. Okay. I got a kayak now mind you when I got the kayak. I never never kayak fish before period and now I think it was 2016 beginning of 2016. When kbl hit the The same okay, and they hit they had their first tournament at schaben. Aw. Okay. So I took that a sin. I think it was a sin FS 12T. Okay, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah for a town never been to kayak first tournament drove all the way out to shop without man put the drop the boat skunked it up. They have be I know what I was doing it Lawrence. I think it was a Lowrance Elite Four. Yeah, I've had one of those. Yeah that the whole inside holes so nard type of deal. Yeah. That was my first introduction man. And that's why you know, I got out of bed all the guys from kbl at that shop and I'll tournament man if I'm not mistaken. I want to say it was 2016. Yeah, I think that's that's about the time they started up I believe from yeah, when we talk to Alan it was yeah. It was yeah 2015 or 2016 but I'm almost positive. It was 16. Yeah, I figure I heard about him. It was 2015 that was as launching an internet website. And then I think 16 was there when they open a crack that first tournament out there and I've been I've been rocking in every sense man since 2016. Well, I just met you. At the Chicago fishing show for the first time this past winter and you know, we chatted a little bit and I was over in the Rock Town Booth you were looking for some stuff and I was like, yeah, I'll get it for you man. Let me let me go to the shop tomorrow morning. I'll pick it up and I think I remember going home that night. I'm like, who is this Rodney Hicks dude, and I went on I found your Facebook page added you as a friend or whatever and then I went to your YouTube page and I remember seeing you fishing a kbl event. You miss like a bunch of of bass or something and it was I think you put the title like the Mike Iaconelli freak out in a kayak or something along those lines and if you guys go search for Rodney's YouTube page and it's like Rodney was Mike Iaconelli that day for sure and I'm like my it this dude is is pretty energetic. I like this guy, you know, and we've run into each other quite a few times here and there at events and stuff in between and it's been great getting to know you. And you're just a super humble laid-back dude, and you know, you're out there, you know Chasing the Dream, but you know, and then not only that but I remember you were at the NC this year and you had a video you put up on your Facebook page. It's not the one you showed me. Yeah, that was the one that showed. I showed mr. Ricketts last night and and it it says something about you man, because you were Like cold. It's been raining tired. I could have gave up could have went home and then you're like boom hold up a just a slob of a bass, you know. Yeah, and you know, that's the one thing I like about Rodney man. He just he don't care. He'll just sit out there and he'll go for it until he succeeds man and he's a go-getter. So that's super super awesome man. No doubt. So we got kind of similar background man five we started back. 2015 on a Bass Pro Ascend, it's kind of my same same type of Bodo most. Well, you had these sit on top I had to sit inside. But yeah same time for a man's crazy how things happen to you over a short period of time relatively short. Yeah. Sure. Heck. Yeah, man. Hekia. Well you fish you know, we just had sushi roll off on. Okay, who she's a she's a great anchor man. Yeah. She's she's a stand-up chick man, and she's a great. Great advocate for the sport in general but she runs great lakes kayak fishing and you just came off just recently had a first-place finish in one of their events man. Yeah, I did. Yeah the Long Long Lake and Round Lake event. Yeah. It was a second stop of the series which lake were you fishing for that man long? I'm sure okay. So you want to run us through like what you were throwing and you know, yeah, no doubt man. So let's go. I had two days of prefix on that Lake and I was throwing a Bill Lewis rattletrap. Okay, and then alternate with that with a spinnerbait White Church throughs I think it was the sling Z from z-man. Okay. Yeah, so I was doing that and I was getting bikes each one, but I felt like I got more. Bites on a Rattle Trap and every time I get a bite on that route if that by getting in this grass, I believe it's called Curly Pond weed grass and is real green real wavy like yeah, and I figured I was like, you know, I'm getting bites every time I ripped this grass. So I kind of like slow down on it and kept it moving, you know figured out my other. Oh, yeah. That's my wife. We got another guest appearance tonight. Yes, that's awesome. Yeah, man. So alternated between that's that rather trap and that spinner bait and I was like man I got I'm getting consistent bite. So let me go ahead and not rip them all man. And the thing is about long late. It's a pretty decent size Lake but it's like one of those communities spot Blake's, you know, you got everybody that's going to come up with to those points or that or whatever. Iraq is Edge or anything like that? So it was like I get there like ice guy already there. So I gotta go around and come back and do all this and that but on tournament day man, I stay with a Rattle Trap and you know, everything was one of those times where everything went great, you know, it's only you don't get that to all thing where everything falls into place and and it did that day and I think I right 90 inches and took home big fast as well with 19 and a quarter inch Kicker. That's a good day of fish man. That's it. Yeah the fish and it's a good day. I mean we had will still have an inconsistent weather at the time. I knew it was still it will still post bond, but I knew they was moving up, you know, cuz what have warm days until we got we have cold fronts. So I knew they were moving, you know, they want to really quite up to the bank yet, but I know there was hanging around in that grass and that Rattle Trap. Was that stat reaction strike? That was the key. It was all on a reaction. Heck. Yeah, man. Okay, that's slick. That's slick. Let's talk a little bit of catch boards. I don't think we've really talked catch boards with anybody here recently. So, how did how did you get involved with Duke and catch and all that good stuff. You know what man ironically I met Duke the same glad I met you man. I met him at the I think it was it was last year. I met him at the Chicago fishing show. Okay, and I was I think I was working a deep belief that year and I was able to get it I was able to get away. And I'll bring up till I think here it was him and his father maybe another colleague or whatever has talked to him a little while, you know, you know shooting a fishing stories back and forth and me and him to stay in the connection man. I think he fished we fished a little bit together last summer and just earlier this year man. He asked me if I wanted to come on staff with him and that's how much you know, you know Duke Duke has another stand-up guy man super honest. With you and also he's a realist man and I really like that. You know, that's a lot of guys. I hate if you don't come across that's you know, straight to the point, you know, and they truthful with you sure and I like about him and you know, he's funny as hell. Yeah, you know, so he asked me to jump on a team and I was like man absolutely absolutely I've wanted to do that, you know, so yeah, that's how that's how I met with them and now it's been going great so far this Yeah, I know. I met ducats Chicago fish and show this past winter as well and it was the same thing like I chatted with them online because I had to make up my catch board and you put you put the paddle in fin logo on the fence for me. Yeah, you know, I was like, yeah, I saw some chitter-chatter in the in the kbl group chat and he said something about he could do logos. So I messaged him privately and I was like, hey man, like You do my logo, you know and he's like, well, you know, if it's if it's too intricate, you know it I might not be able to do it and I was like well, let me send you an image. He's like, ah dude paddle and thin like dude, this is easy. I got you and I was like, all right, man, sweet as dude. Yeah. He's like I got this don't worry about it. And I was like, well, thanks man, you know, you know, I'll promote it and you know, if some of our listeners want to snatch up some of those catch boards, you know, hopefully it'll I produce some business for you. So you know with that being said guys if you guys are listening and you're looking for a catch board you want to put that paddle in fin logo on their hit up hit up catch go on Instagram or Facebook, you know hit up to can he'll set you guys up man. Those boards are spectacular. Yeah, and it's not a gimmick. No not pay it one bass jump off that board on me at all since And it now what they now with their yellow hog trough all men it will split if but watch the video like brain was sailing with the yeah. Yeah, right. They're plastic all thought was my dad. It really was. I don't know. I don't know because of different texture. I don't know what it was. But those when I was first shown that cash board man, they stay on there for some reason they usually do I've had one flip off recently and cost me an iPhone, but we won't go there. That was it the FLW kbf event, but that was my fault man. I had my my catch board on my lap. I got lazy should have had it on the floor my boat and I had fish on there was holding it with the left hand going to type in the measurements with the other one in the fish. Just kicked hit the bottom of my phone and up in the air into the water. It went so crazy. Guy the biggest problem with that was is I had a waterproof case Tethered to my life vest for my phone, but I had taken my phone out because I was like man this thing is too bulky. I put it on my vest purposely the night before and then guess what happened? So needless to say, I got a set up now or my phone is Tethered to my vest at all times, but but no man those I mean, it's crazy with the Cradle on the catch board man those fish. Just sit in there and they don't want to move most of the time, you know, even even when we were just up in Madison and I was catching small mouth man big smallmouth. We're just chilling. They you know had no issues with small mouth jumping off that board whatsoever. So, yeah, if you guys are interested in the catch board go check those out at ke TCH and then another thing that Rodney's part of is never lost gear. I would definitely pick up another lust To go along with that but I'm not you were talking they got Rod leashes and stuff as well. Right Rodney. Yeah, man, it got they got they got the whole shebang. They got Rod leashes. They got a kayak had a leashes utility leashes, especially for guys like you who got they got the utility leases help you out with the cellphone or GoPro. If you don't want to drop your GoPro off the side of the boat, like some people I know that yeah and the past. Yeah, mr. J Randall. Yeah. You should have never had a utility that policeman. Well, I give my heart I give him a hard time because he's on savior outdoors and saviors got that little bobber thing that screws on your GoPro they do and he didn't have one on that one. So it was kind of funny when that all went down and our previous hosts Scotty, you know was like hey Jay had a had a savior Outdoors device on that thing and I'm like, oh, that's right. I should remind him of that. So anytime I bring it up. He gets all flustered and pissed off but that's all right. It's just Jay. It's just changed. We love Jay Jay's a good dude, man, but he is is what about Dakota man Dakota lithium. We haven't had anybody on that's on the Dakota lithium team either man. They're coming out with Um cool stuff man. I were sure they have that power box. That's got the lights and everything on it. That's pretty slick, man. That power box is awesome. I've got that on my radar. Keep my GoPro is charged and stuff like that and when I phone because I like to use the the GoPro app on my phone, but it just kills your battery. Yeah. Yeah. Just your ass is your battery. So I'm looking heavily at that Dakota lithium power box for sure. Hey, man, get it man. You you will not regret it - a fantastic investment. I even had it on my New York trip. I just recently came back from New York family bro, and I had the power box with me because I was using my GoPro. I'm going to see you know, we got that walking, you know charge your cell phone on it, you know put my GoPro do I use it every time I'm out fishing to how many batteries can you fit inside that I heard maybe two or three is that correct? You can put either one of their batteries in there or you can put any other brand better than that, but I recommend putting a battery in there. I got it right here, honestly. Yeah. So yeah. There we go. How much does that weigh this right here, and I think this thing is about That's a good question, bro. I believe it's about Under five Astound us definitely under five. I think I want to say it's right around 300. Wow, that's not bad at all. Right around 3:00. Yeah, man, but it's the 12 volt 10 10 hours man that thing going to run all day. Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to use it for your GoPro and at Power bugs, but just make sure you supply a heck a little bit of micro SD cards because as far as juice, you ain't got to worry about it, man. So it's really all time. A day power man. Yeah, nice. Okay. Yeah, that's super slick man. I got just a cheap like Vexilar battery and that thing weighs a ton and I use that to run my my Garmin 9 inch and you know, I usually get 10 hours out of it, but it's the weight thing, you know, like lithium batteries are so light, you know, and it's not only that. That but I know they make a bigger deep cycle battery for run and trolling motors and stuff in Torquay toes. Right? Well a tornado comes with a battery but you know comes with a battery. But yeah Dakota mom, actually they got a better yet that you could run and I think one of my buddies David Brooks use that better at the national championship, bro, you said it was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like I think it that battery weighs like I think when I looked at it, it's like 36. 40 pounds. Where's that make my normal deep cycle batteries like 65. I mean, that's the model wait. You're cutting. It's a lot o that's a lot of weight you put on that boat man. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, and it doesn't help that. I'm you know, a freaking Giant and way like 260 pounds, you know, so, you know anywhere I can cut weight definitely helps, you know, yeah, but that's saying a lot about how these kayaks are built man. Yeah. Absolutely. That is for sure man. That is for sure. Like I tell everybody that comes Into the kayak shop up there at Rock town, you know, it's like you'll fall out of these boats before before you tip them over I said when it comes to fishing kayak stabilities in mind for the fishermen all fishermen want to stand and fish out of their boats be able to move around things like that. So you'll pretty much fall out before you tip it over or you got to be in some pretty gnarly whether to get that boat to tip so really narrow. Yeah, I would say really naughty again road now. A kind of inexperience as well. You know when you out there it does get choppy just got to know what to look for and then you got your recreational boaters out there who want to go out there and go to band and you know, you got waves hitting you from left to right. You just really gotta know how to maneuver around out there. So a little bit of experience. Yeah for sure. You gotta stay calm be freaked out. You're going to go swimming. Oh, yeah swimming real quick. Oh, yeah. Here's one. I'm interested in talking to you about your part of Doomsday tackle. And I know I got some of their creature Bates man. Like how did that call come about for you? And what's kind of some of your favorite baits that they make. Oh man. So doomsday tackle man. I've been with them for four years. That's they really gave me a that's like probably one of my first Partnerships and it really gave me a shot and it's got so much respect them. Working for that company they based on the Chatham Virginia the owner there. Do you know the owner? He's the owner and he also is the be Creator, you know will Stewart, you know, shout out to will store man great guy man comes up with some crazy patterns on his on his Lords. But yeah, I was with them for four years. I got with him for years ago, man. Have I would say my favorite bait and my most consistent date? I have to honestly it's the Roku 5.4 and that's the best a like they just a straight or Cinco style worm. I was just saying but it's a gap is five-sided and that's it's packed with salt bad. It's actually really small skinny and diameter, but it weighs more than a sinkhole itself. But the great thing about it is you can It was able brought to mind to do the Nico style fishing. Okay, but yeah, so it's heavier than a single but is this don't get that fat diameter profile that a single has sure sure sure and it got that smaller Japanese style, you know, you can really finesse it you can I like to do a wacky rig man, and I'll skip that thing underneath docks and that's the key dude. I tell them up that way. Yeah, you know for sure my second bait they came out. With last year is they swim bait? Okay. It's the yeah the shadow. Yes, the little boy. It's just called a little boy and I was just looking at this product. They got some that's one big on a ChatterBait man is money. It's money. It's a little wider feta profile with the real body. So instead of having that Tails as flapping like that because I have having that flatter wider profile. It gives that that's one bit of wobble like that. You know, you put that ChatterBait on there man and intensifies it and it's awesome. Do I call pipe mom? Actually my personal best trophy Pike came off for that swim bait up and I'll put walkie last year that you see on Facebook. Yeah. I'm sorry that Muskie came off of that off of ChatterBait with that doomsday swim bait on there. Nice. Take a look a man. Yeah. I'm looking at that Roku now I see. What you're talking about? It's a little skinnier diameter. And yeah, it's like instead of being round. It's got like squared off sides, right? Yeah, and now will that was that was mate intention to graph more sunlight so you can tell that so that so that worm will be more visible when inside going down in the water column you go. However, it goes down you grabbing life from you know from from the sun and it kind of So our entices that warm as it goes down just to make it more visible to the fish, you know, gotcha. Look at the look at the Doomsday see Shad best Shad imitation I've ever seen in my life on a bait. Yeah, man. Now that was that was designed from a tendency Chad man asks, what's the drop shot? You can use it for a drop shot. I've seen guys actually put it on a scrounger head as well. It's got its got the foil in there. I mean when a shed flips to the side it looks it's Texture so shiny man that I mean that's spot-on even the body shape. Look at the body shape. Yeah. Yeah. Thousand I'm just spot on heck. Yeah, here's my credit card. I know I got I got some of the Devastators man. I love like crayfish patterns. Like that's one of my like go to klutch things. I know I got some of those Devastators and the Reapers the three good at those think it's the 3.2 s but Yeah, man, it's going to lose our the 3.2 is our awesome and if you want that finesse, but I would say definitely go with that 3.8. I love 3.8. That's the extra length. You can on your regular size jig and it's crucial man. For sure how the movement on those they pretty good. I mean, they're pretty it's Rich. You know what the moving on there is really subtle you talk about the reaper. Yeah. Yeah, it's real. It's real subtle. Yeah. Look at the tentacles on the mall or two. This front appendages. I bet those get some man. All right. Okay, that's a lot of water to those mall is catch a lot of water. I pay get on a 3/8 ounce tungsten weight or whatever type of weight you want to Pagan with and and go Flippin with it man those appendages. They move man. It's a they look great underneath what I does that tell you that that's also why I told me to put some money back from vacation. So I had those for cart we're gonna Short this month. Yeah. Sorry hon. Had to talk to Rodney Hicks had to pull out a second mortgage. You know, that's a box come to the house and your wife. Look at you. Like how much did that cost? So baby don't worry about it. It was sent to me was it was it was great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Arrived for you dot and then run - and I'm like - I didn't beat her home and I didn't beat her home crap. It's like when your kid trying to get trying to beat the mailman before the report cards. Yeah. Yeah pretty much man. Pretty much. I just some dude to have had their stuff shipped to their work office. The warping. Your corporate career is in this big box of lures are come. They're like, hey man, keep it from the wife buy me some time before the credit card. You'll statement shows up. You know, it's too funny man. I've paid my wife all she doesn't give me any crap. Honestly for we go buy something. Yeah, so I did back-to-back tournaments. I was gone two weekends in a row and you know, I paid her off with a Ooh, Michaels corporis us here you go. There you go there, you know, you gotta you gotta come correct man. Yeah, he was just great to say some I pull out that purse. I didn't I still haven't heard anything about that nice. She's been silent for a while. So it's got power. Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to be gone the next two weekends, so I didn't even have to buy the purse man. I just took the wife out for a nice dinner last night. So I'm in the clear for the next two weekends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so Are you going to so I know Rodney you your fishing? Mostly Great Lakes? Are you fishing some of the kbf trail stops this year? Probably not that cable. Trust up by dad was at the Madison event. Yep. And dude. I'm still I'm bummed about that. I don't even want to talk about that tournament. But yeah, that's probably the only one I do that was with the Great Lakes. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great lakes, but it was a I think it was a KB of trust up, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm not I'm not too familiar with had a Trails die. What I next truck stops are going to be but if it's something local like that, I probably do it again. Okay. Got you. Yeah, the next one is it's the weekend of the July 13th. It's in Iowa on the Mississippi River. Mmm. So, okay, it's not closed but it's close enough compared to the some of the other stops. I was curious. I didn't know if you were going to fish some more of those or or if you were just fishing the one in Madison just because it was part of the Great Lakes why it was a part of the Great Lakes and it was close. You know that was on the Periodic three hours away from me. You're not even by two and a half hours away. And but more like I said most of their time it's our so, you know spread out like Ohio. I think that's what six hours if I'm not mistaken from us. Yeah. Yeah. So like that's that's kind of cutting it too close, you know, I'm off every other weekend and then, you know trying to do that family time and try to do other type of tournaments man as it's just not in my schedule. So I prettiest a with the Great Lakes kayak fishing serious, you know, I'm trying to get a kvl tournament in there somewhere. But yeah, that's I'm going lakes and kbl if I can bear it away from Michigan. Are you? I heard I was about four hours. Maybe five. Yeah. Yeah. It depends where you're talking in, Michigan because you're in Palatine, right? Correct? Yeah. Yeah, so he's closer to the city me and me and mr. Rodney or probably about an hour from each other 45 minutes to an hour. Gotcha. You know, it takes really yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It depends on traffic, you know Good Old Chicago traffic, you know. Once you get out this way, it's you know, you're kind of in the sticks rolling through cornfields. But you know by Rodney, you know, it could traffic and stack up real quick in that area. But sometimes it depends it depends. Yeah, you go down the right Road you end up in some corn fields that here too. Yeah, that's true too. That's true, too. But so what's kind of like your favorite go-to technique when you get to a new body of water. Want to start finding some fish. What are you tying on? What are you throwing? I'm tired. I don't know. I'm tired on the builders. Rather trap man. He's that's what I'm throwing on. I'm comfortable with it. I can sling it a country mile I could cover water quickly. And if it's fish out there on the reaction, I could grab them. Yeah, so, yep. That's what I want. That's my that's my go to show you certain color or is it is well, I'm not familiar with that one. So you ought to forgive me is it that's what color? I do multiple colors. I don't have a color favorite. I just had to stay with like a shadow pattern, you know fed of it all that's the forest like a white greenish, you know, maybe got a little bit of orange on the belly or bluegill pattern and some like that nice sure. You mainly mainly a power fisherman then are you guessing? Yes. I am one of my favorite, you know bass fisherman was Kevin VanDam for a long time. And that's the way he powered Fishman. It was like it's You know, you don't power fish is it's dope man, and I'm I have patients but to sit there and throw we list bait that all day is it's as mind-blowing. You mean you really got to have patience like that National Championship you van down there and I'll Caddo and those other lakes and Louisiana and Brian. I don't know if you will stare, but that whole that whole tournament Was on a weedless Cinco bait kitchen for two days. I met you mean you had to be mentally and physically focused to do that and as and it's really tough and I that's not something that I would rather go out there and throw her out a trap or ChatterBait or your score of them, you know, yeah that's having you know continued motion with the cast instead of sitting there and casting and waiting until you possibly feel. Bump it. Yeah right now, I know Jesus same way men. He's you know, he's a huge power fisherman. And you know, I mean, I was a power fisherman for a long time and then you know recently I started getting into the Finesse game just a just a have a wide variety of techniques and stuff. I throw you know, and I think you know, I don't think I've ever I think usually if I'm if I'm going out I'll start throwing a Chatterbait. Debate or Swim bait. And yeah, if I dials like a good pot of fish on and I got a switch up to finesse, you know, I'll I'll do so but I'm the same way a man finesse fishing can get grueling sometimes especially if especially if there's not a hot bite for it and it's a fish every hour or some you're just like this is brutal brutal. It really is brutal man. Oh my God, you know, but it's a time. It's a time and place for it. You know and I always have to you know, spending setups setup either an egregore Jerome wacky rig, you know, because it is a time and place for especially got a lake when it got dots on it, but I'm okay with the Finesse fishing if I can visually see something that I could toss it at sure but by being in an open body of water and you know using your electronics to and throw on a Shaky Head on a hunk I can't do that. Yeah, but last year lay down. Or definitely what I was definitely my favorite thing is like my see Doc's I'm a skip that Cinco all day, you know, but that's like a power efficient a yeah, but it's it's using finessed, you know, sure sure sure sure, totally power Fisher to in it and I switch to finessing and I planted a lot more fish. And and for me, I'm probably one of the few that I've never had any luck on a ChatterBait. I think I'm fun. Especially the rivers. I think I only landed. Yeah actually about three weeks ago one small. Out on a ChatterBait, but you know this just a few days ago. I'm in a buddies talk to me trying to get me into the jig game. Right so ordered a bunch of Jake's and threw it out there and you know, I nailed that 17 on a jig and I said, oh man, you know because there's it's at least here when he gets her daggone hot man. They're up under the bank's, you know, they're really tight covering. You cannot powerful, you know, there's definitely time in a year, but I found and that finesse fishing is really working for me. I I think probably out of the out of ten fish nine of them been on finesse fishing this month where though? Yeah, right, huh? It's always it's always do to add another weapon to your to your Technique man, and only make sure that better angular, you know at the end of the day. Oh, hey, absolutely. You have to commit I committed to this entire one weekend. I just said hey, I didn't bring anything but two rods one of them was a spinning was a casting us at all. I'm fishing a soft Plastics this whole weekend at it. Bring nothing else Basalt plastic. So I was forced to use what I had and figure well, you know, yeah and I was throwing a fluke the second cast I threw a flute I thought I was hung up because I like to I like to pitch really heavy cover to and I just yanked on it man. I pissed that fish off because he just shot I was like, oh man, I thought it was gonna go down there. And so yeah, there we go. Yeah, it's that's something we always try to promote on here man, like pick three techniques a year and just kind of dial those in and add to the Arsenal. You know, it's it's like you said Rodney it's only going to make you make it way better fisherman. If you got all that stuff in the toolbox, man. So yeah, that's cool man. I've I've been working the Shaky Head lately. That was one of them and I've been doing really good with it, you know. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Dig it and it's it's good only to bring a couple rods, right? Yeah. I'm a guy who's multiple rods and I like if I'm Tournament Fishing I'll bring multiple rods. So I don't have to spend time time lures yet. Right, but it's also good to just go out and only bring to and learn how to tie those damned louvers fast in case there happens. You know what I mean? That's a skill. I don't think a lot of people understand that you need to be able to switch lured really fast. Get your knots down get it back in the water just drink a couple rods and spend time practice and doing that. You know, you'd be As how much better angler UV. Hey, yeah, you're right about that. You know, I got any beginning man. I used to bring I still do but I carry seven rods to my tournament seven rods saying and I guess about four or five of those rides got braids on in the Montana flowing her leave her to fluorocarbon leader to it and I was finding myself taking entirely too long to retire that leader or I'm trying to use this not for this presentation this not for this presentation. Other simplified the whole thing. So I had about samurais. I got to ride that. I actually use braid and I fish those straight braid. Everything else is fluorocarbon. My spinning my spinning a guy. Of course, my spending got is going to have braids but I still want to try that fluorocarbon leader, but I committed to tying a uni knot on that floor current leader and I committed to just going straight polymer mems is do the polymer is you know, you bow bow bow, you know, it's done. Yeah, and I'm not about to or I can't remember the name of this not think it's called A Smith not but you are do it like almost like a clinch but you will bring it up this way and you'll drop it down just go around the plate like that and loop it back through that hole and sink it down. And that's a really strong night and it's very quick. So like you were saying Rick is man just having something out that way you can adjust to really quickly it definitely, you know plays, you know has a place out there too. Absolutely. I carry seven. Same way at man. I carried five casters into Spinners all the time, right? I'm Tournament Fishing. I have seven rods. I use Double Uni knot and then I use Palomar knot combined, you know into time. I leaders and stuff like that. I've got it. You know, when I first did the Double Uni man, I've just these more working, you know, I was like man, this is the pulp but now I'm like little fingers look like sausages, bro. Shots fired shots fired two weeks ago Somewhere In My School. My my braids was I only throw straight Blair Braden and we're carpet leader. I don't have anything else on my my rods somewhere. I got snagged my line was snagging it busted off and I saw the line floating on the You know and I was able just patch it up real quick get it back in here in case there's a fish on it. Luckily there was not and I was able to go ahead and correct it after that but those skills man. They go a long way there's a lot of different situations we needed to learn that you know. Yeah. I'm kind of similar to Rodney man. I used to run braid floral leaders and all that stuff and I really simplified it this year to man. I put ice pooled all my rods. Well, not all but I think I got three real spooled up with braids just straight braid that I'm using for like topwater. Sometimes I'm running straight prayed for a ChatterBait things like that. And then even my spinning rods, man, I run straight. I think my spinning rods. I don't know if it's a hundred percent floral. It's it's the Pline floral clear line and then use Some of that too and I think it's like a floral coated mono or something. It's something like yeah, but I was familiar with a copolymer. I believe that's what they was calling. Yeah. Yeah, and I pick that stuff up when I was down at Nikka Jack because I had I had to re spool rod and it was cheap and man. I'm really digging that stuff man on my spinning rods for the Finesse. I'll usually run in eight pound. Eight pound in that and you know running and Ned rig or Cinco or you know, whatever. You know, I'm just kind of simplified it and I'm always straight polymer not that's the only not I ever use just because it's fast simple and easy, you know, when you want to save some time, especially in that tournament scenario, you know, every second counts, you know absolutely does. Yeah, I could type Alomar pretty fast. I mean, it's pretty simple, but it's Really effective. And actually, I think I might jigging Rod I do run straight braid. There's no leader on that the P line. I like the P line and I like to River fish but the rivers here have been blown out for six weeks straight, right? So I haven't been able to do that. I'm spent a lot of time Lake fishing but in the river of the P line was let me download from right I had to get rid of it. And then I upgraded to 20 pound fluorocarbon from American tackle the Bushido fluorocarbon. Yep, and that's that's a game changer and that's not just because I'm sponsored. I buy them. I mean that parades or eat or that floor. Oh, you can't get it because it's always out of stock, right everybody's buying it up. As soon as it comes out and they even came out with 300 300 yards Bulls now and it's always out of stock as people buy it, but it's legit super it's super durable man. I love it. So it can even hold up if your River fisherman, it'll hold up pretty good on Rivers, too. So yeah, buddy. It's a little brine plug there. He's got me saying yeah buddy all the time and my wife's yeah, but it's catching on man. It's catching on I think you know, yeah buddy one more time. Now my son saying it yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. What was that? Larry the Cable Guy when everybody would would say get er done. That's all I heard feel like every day. Yes. I'm start. Yeah, I'm starting to yeah, buddy. And so yeah, you got it. It's all good buddy. Come on. Come on. What a t-shirt man. You gotta get a t-shirt. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, I we had one we had one but the it only ran for a couple weeks. It says yeah buddy on the back, but I think we need to permanently put that in the Arsenal, but absolutely yeah, I grab one for sure. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to grab on then decoded shirt you got on in that That hat man those that swag man like that. Yeah, I like I like that style where they put the logo off to the side, you know instead of yeah. Yeah. Yeah bam bulky right there and have another so I wear hats like hairstyles. I got like 50 hats. So Dakota, let's talk me and I need one them hats I can get you out there man. So, uh, I'm not familiar with this man. You turn around the you're on the deeper team what is deeper? I'm not familiar deeper is the castle sonar buddy. They based on a Lithuania. So basically it's a it's a wireless sonar, you know tied up to your ride and you cast it out there you use your phone and your tablet a comp is got a signal Wi-Fi inside a so you can actually cast up to I believe 250 feet and still get a reading from Um from your sonar to actually map out an entire late you can map out a river you can put it on your kayak. It comes with a trans do is come with a transducer arm as well. You can put it right on the side of your kayak man and use a tablet like I do you can you map the whole like I'll just like you using the Lowrance or a marine unit or anything like that. You got a baseball to their baseball the size of a baseball. It's three ounces, you know, so I will record I would recommend actually throwing it on some type of a heavy action Rod or swamp a ride or something like that with braids but it's a cool little device man. I was using it the other day. I was out in Buffalo Grove for mapping out a lake now. That's where it really shines. You know, if you're a guy who you know. Is small reservoirs or you know small lakes and ponds and you want to go out that actually see what that bottom structure really is meant throwing a deeper deeper proplus. The the the picture that you get on your phone or your tablet is fantastic actually has a specialty conceived by the tation. You can see the fish around that vegetation and it has the key Essentials to the water depth. It has the Water temperature, you know and it just has a bunch load of a smaller other little things on that app that you can use on your on your day out on the water and I app is completely free. So if if you looking at getting a beeper and you not to sure you want to see how the technology look that's going on the Apple or Android store, whatever it is and download that deeper app and you can run the simulator right there and it shows you exactly how it looks when you are using on the water those R sub 200. There's two right? Yes it is. Yes it is. You can find you can find them on Amazon, you know dates Pro dicks better dicks. I don't know about Bass Pro Shop, but definitely dicks Cabela's Amazon for sure. Yeah. Yeah right on so I see him. I see him all the time feeling string. I'm blessed to here in Cincinnati. We have feeling stream Cabela's Bass Pro all around us. So would we get to pick whatever they're all within driving distance and always see that deeper and I don't own one personally, but I've seen it all the time. I've done a lot of research. Oh man. I really want one of those because I mean it let's say you're on a budget for a fish finder. So your lower in units like your Garmin clear views and stuff like that. We rich clear views, but that deeper man you cast it out to 300 feet. You bring it in and you if you work it like you were to like a fishing Zone man cut it cut it cut a section water and just dice it up, you know, you could really get all that stuff and and you're right. Like I've looked on YouTube. I've watched the apps it It's weird that you actually are talking over that we brought it up. I'd finding out that you were part of that program because now you know, I can ask you some more questions because I was something I've wanted for a long time and they were on their Zone some time. I see him like a hundred bucks, you know, Mike yeah. Yeah for sure. We just introduced the new one which is the deeper chirp. It's the deeper style Church technology that they just introduced a text should be hitting the shelves pretty soon. You have to have an entry level which is the deeper. Our and I believe that when is sub 150, I believe that comes in about one night. So they float, right? They float on top of the surface. Yep. Absolutely for all you River guys out there. This is definitely something that you would probably want. You know, you can throw it up River and let the current bring it down. You're going to see anything along its path. So that's actually what I wanted to use it before because I'm a I'm a huge River dude and I was like man, that would be money right there. That would just be there. That's exactly how I was using it because it had a had a little bit of a breeze out here on the water looking a few days ago how this casted towards the wind. I mean the wind not gonna deflect the thing is 3 ounces so you can cast it where you want to catch stick right sides cast cast it up current and just let it drift all the way down and I'm like, yeah, that's that ego that ego. Could they made it floating is is killer to because if you ever cast it snap off for some odd reason, you're not going to lose it, you know? No, it's good. They're on the water. That's it. Absolutely. What else is China's about it only takes. Put it into the USB port and you know, the thing on the only takes 2 hours to try to get a full charge and battery life on it. Like how long does it run the battery life on it is for hours. Nice. Okay, it is four hours. So you pair that up with the Dakota lithium power box and your money all day. You can keep it charged. There you go. There you go. Damn, because I was going to say that the only because everything has a pro and a con right? So the only con is that the app will like any other app on your phone will drain that battery. Yeah, absolutely. You know that that's the that's the only con about it. So if you having something like a power box or having some type of power supply to keep your phone charged while you out there man, you go all day. Yeah, so for you know, my power supply always use a knock you up. We're my I have a Lowrance Elite ti9 in the way. I have it set up. I use the I use an ocular battery on my blue sky in my whole fish finder can be removed within 30 seconds put on the new kayak that includes training sore arm everything, you know, so I used to knock you out for that. But I want the Dakota lifting power box because I want to keep my GoPro charge. I want to keep my phone charged. I want to buy that that deeper. I want to be able to keep it charged. Yeah, I'll run multiple GoPros. I want to be able to run cords out of the Ox have them going up the line instead of buying individual power bank power boxes, you know and duct taping them. Now. I'm not on that. I want something that's legit something that could be easily transportable. So I'm looking heavy at that man. So I think I think I had that to cart real quickly pull that up and add that part. Yeah. No, man. I heard a lot of good stuff. They sponsor the Michigan Ohio kayak Trail I'm a board of directors on there too. And of course, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna support who supports us man hands down for sure. Yeah - oh man, that's how it works man. Yeah. Absolutely right on. Yeah, I think we covered most everything right man. I mean I want to ask you about your PB man. Tell me about your PB you do you have a PB story a personal best story you were talking about that musky like yeah, man, you say nah. That was my that was my personal best musky and I caught that on that ChatterBait. Yeah, but my personal best bass you seen it bro that video when I was young and now Louisiana where I hid the with the You know where that cracks that you ever watched The Hodgetwins so I'm on YouTube. It brings it in like that that he's always like looking at his beard in the jaw line. That's where I get the jawline thing. He's always kicking it to the side don't do to her the best ever man. So when you brought it you brought a way back at came into the camera. I said That's The Hodgetwins right there. And yeah, that's funny. That's great. Sounds bass man 22 inches, bro. Yeah, I never knew how goofy I got over a big fish until I got to go pro and it was time to like, you know, you'll own all your footage and you're watching I can't wait to watch it. I'll go pro then you then you see how goofy you are when you catch a big fish because you don't realize it at the time you're just talking to whooping and hollering, but then you kind of see how other people would see you on the lake. You know, that's great. It takes some this or some time for for that for like how you can get your you know, too Be comfortable being on camera, you know because even if you know, even if you just buy yourself me just filming yourself, but you know, it's still kind of so when you start to get you know, you want to do stuff like this or you doing stuff for a different company and they actually hate can you do a video? It's kind of like it's nervously, you know, you got to get used to using a GoPro and being on front of the camera for after a while. But yeah, but I'm so comfortable now man, so to do like goofy videos like that, it's funny, you know. Fun of me man. That's what people love they love the realism, right? Yeah. There's some people out there that are just very stiff and they it's very fine-tuned and Polished. That's I'm not a Polish dude. So, you know, I'm going to I'm going to give you realism as well now like for me I can have conversations conversations with random people and strangers like me like it's second nature to me professionally I talk to people I don't know all day long. So for me that aspect is no problem to have a comp like rapping with you right now. The video being on video. I was like it's a little goofy, but then you know, it's warming up to me now. Hey, we're going to try this real quick. I got the video pulled up. We'll see if we can pull the audio off this. Hold on one second. So defeated, I was ready to go home pack my bags pick up the kayak and go home. I'm cold. I'm wet. I got the sniffles, but never gave up. It's called Giant. Look at that fish Giant. Bring it in bring it in right love that man. I absolutely love that. I remember when I saw that I called J. I was like yo, did you see Rodney's video and he's like, yeah, I saw it. That was badass. No, that's awesome, man. I mean there's something you could tell. There's so much emotion built up in there, you know, like oh man, you know, it's I know a lot of guys is struggled down there just because of the weather, you know, the bite everything man and then you go and land a PB. It's just man, it's awesome. It's awesome. You know, it's amazing amazing feeling and even though I was being goofy and a video but I was serious man do it was it was it was a decent morning and that cold front came through and start raining the wind picked up, you know in then with the rain and then the wind it is cold you out there man. It's like you're not going to give up right. We're not going to drive 14 hours yesterday, you know when severe weather come and go back to the ramparts and in the truck, right? No, you want to stay out. Then you're going to try to come up with a plan that you going to fish man. Yeah, and that's that's how I was going to do. I wanted to get I wanted to go home so bad, you know, I was at that point. I Was Defeated dude and I'm seeing guys Around me popping on dude, and I'm like what the hell? Yeah, but the tournament day one. I got a lemon, you know and it took me I was down there for 10 days 10 days and the day before the tournament. Actually, that's my first time getting on a bike. So it took me quite a while to actually figure I'm out down there. So once I figure once I figure them out and I figured out what the bite was on and Felt that the few selected trees that I did want to fish and catching those first 5 and getting a limit that first day was awesome. I think that put me in a hundred and twenty eighth place nice and And then I think I have 74 in or something like that the first day and then a second day. I pop that 6-pounder using a using a wacky rig man and maybe a foot of water catching up to the cypress tree and out. The fight was on and took a picture of that one got him like a chore to the picture that went through right back out that boom hit another one now the 17 inch here and I was like, oh man, I might be on some And then F front came in do it and is a shut it down man. Just shut it down. Yeah, that's kind of what happened to me at Nikka Jack after I lost my phone man. I was on a I was on a bike. I caught like an 18 and a half and then that fish that flopped off the board knocked my phone out of my hand was like a 17 and three-quarter and then I was screwed right? I had no way to take photos. So I had to go all the way back to the ramp which was like a good half hour from where I was fishing and it got back to the ramp got to the truck got the GoPro and right as I'm about to take back off a huge storm rolled through like straight-up downpour winds causing two to three-foot waves like all that and I'm like, what am I going to do? Sit here? No, I'm gonna jump in my damn kayak and get back out there. But by the time I got back out there all the big fish should move down and went lockjaw. And yeah, I mean I was fortunate enough to catch a few shorter ones and put together a limit for the day. But man I know how that is man. It's just you know, when that happens, you're just like, you know, you just pissed Yahoo Choice words and you know it is what it is, but that's fishing man. That's fish and when I say is fishing, that's how I really is man this fishing dude, you really gotta you really got to humble yourself and yeah and be mentally focused and strong man. Because you know, it's not always we're going out there and you catching fish like that. You know it out was I can catch fire fishing eight hours man, but it gets sometimes it gets to like, holy shit. I can't even catch to you know, what bro, right if I skunk out I get pissed. Oh, yeah the other day when I was out when I caught that 17 Brian that I posted up I was getting skunked left or right, you know, what the hell, you know, and then I start doubting myself. Yeah, man. I don't even know what I'm doing out here and started out at all. And then all it takes is one fish. Change your whole perspective, you know, they need then you kind of figure it out say okay, you know, I knew what they were doing in the bass in that Lake where I actually have it on my iPhone but this one bass was so it was holding so high up in a serviceman its fins are sticking out on the water. Yeah. It was right on the bank and I threw everything at it. I couldn't get him to even react, you know, so I was just a mental aspect of it's definitely you gotta you gotta forget that you're competing. You got to forget that you're in a tournament. You got to bring it back to its roots in Just Go. Fishing. Yeah, I you know. Back in the day and the young youth of Brian's age, you know, I used to play a lot of golf and they say golf is 98% mental 2% physical and I think that kind of carries over in a fishing man. If you're not there mentally especially in a tournament situation your day's going to be rough and that was one thing, you know, I had a hard time getting over for a long time man if you go out for a day Pre fishing or just a day of fishing in general. You skunk? You're like what the hell is wrong with me? I lost my touch can't do it anymore. Like, you know, all these thoughts are running through your mind and it's hard to make your brain just shut off and chill out and relax and just just fish, you know, like weird. Yeah, like we're used to doing, you know, and especially in that tense tournament situation whether it be a small Club event. Or a big national championship event if you can turn that switch off and just fish you're going to have a good day on the water. I think absolutely that's the that's the biggest thing man. But yeah, that's the piggy back off a little bit off of that Brian and but yeah just having just having that Focus man. I like I got a really close friend of mine and we fish around in the same areas and you know determines as well and last year he was he didn't have The gray is here and he will really, you know, everybody played on him all the way over, you know to this year over the all over the winter and I'm like dude you just got to go fish and you know, you can have a yak attack, you know Creighton have whatever amount of 3600 playing on Plano boxes in there and how many beats it could be in a storage or in your truck. But you only going to tie it on five or seven right? Right, right simplify it and put on the bait that you're confident in and that you know how to catch fish on it and just go out there fishing and that's even if it's going back to a peg weight and a Berkeley black power Mo K. Right right I come I caught more fish on that single worm than any other any other basis because it's simple it was the first day that I actually use when I first started going bass fishing and I figured it out. I figured out how I can use it and I figured after using a certain situation. So tournament guys or guys South are fishings as to have fun remembers that's go fishing because the if you put in too much Authority in in or you're doubting yourself You just defeat yourself, you know the biggest the biggest thing out there on a warrior is not to defeat yourself and right if I'm saying that right who follow me, right? Yeah, so just go out there go fishing be open-minded and let it come to you and it'll come to you it really will. You actually just touch base on a key point to what you just said. You knew that that black Berkeley Power Worm was going to work you knew that was going to work but we as fishermen we know that something's going to But we'll go complete opposite direction you something else? Yeah, right because we just went to the bait shop. We just bought this new ChatterBait. We just bought this videos about to tell everybody Jesus I got to use it to hell with what I know works. I'm going to use what I don't know that works and then you get pissed when you don't catch any fish, you know stick to what you know, there's a lot of hype on the market with a lot of different stuff if you never use that and you don't know how that's going to work for you but you have something in your tackle box that you know how to use and you know that produces use that shit. On tournament day. Yeah. All right, if it works for you over here most likely it's going to work for you there because you know how to present it. There's a lot of versatile Bates that work Statewide. Yes. I'm that won't some that won't you know, but a lot that will be your Cinco's. Those are Statewide fish. It doesn't matter where you're at in the country. That worm is going to work, you know, so just stick with what you know, that's that's I mean what you just said right there is key to a lot to I think probably went along tournaments, too. Saloon absolutely stick to what you know what you're comfortable at and you'll go out and you'll catch live fish your produce. You might not get the biggest bag, right? You know, but yeah, if you run these kind of machines enough and you see the numbers you see the same guys, that's consistently I can a top five or top 10 they hidden anywhere from you know, mid 70s to 80 90 inches not even 90 about 84% I say between 7 4 84 inches consistently those guys always want to come in at top 10. Yeah, absolutely and a lot of times that will get your first place special on your local tournaments in early in the year, you know in March April May that's number one. That's you get you do it in 90 inches in those three months. You're probably pretty close for a second third in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah, I agree for sure. Well, I think that's a ending it on a positive note right there man, Rodney. Why don't you want you plug all your sponsors your social media where people can follow you and your Journeys and everything else man. Alright guys. So yeah, if you guys want to follow me, I'm on Instagram at Rodney Hicks fishing also on our Facebook at right knee yack Savage Hicks and this want to give a shout-out to my sponsors man Doom State Apple great company you guys definitely if you Looking for some soft Plastics that really produce fish go out and get some doomsday tackle products also want to thank deeper sonar Dakota getting lithium never lost gear. Whoo! Tungsten, you know, I'll all those guys, you know has made a played a vital role in the success that I've been having out here on the water and I couldn't do it without my sponsors and might know my Partnerships. Hopefully just going for a man. I could continue to produce some fish man. My whole goal is to make it down to Guntersville. And and I'm 2020. Heck. Yeah, man, so hopefully I can I hopefully I can you know, put my head down and go out and fish these last two tournaments. We got out here with the great lake fishing series, by the way guys, it's just that's a stand-up serious. You know, that's a lot of a lot of good steaks that can that stairs. We got a guy keep Gerhard from He's always in a mix we have Don Thompson. You know, he finishes the kbl. He's always in a mix good buddy of mine. Nick Van gumpel. He's always in the mix Derek Akin, you know Derek and myself. That's a lot of good guys that's in and Ina Great Lakes kayak fishing serious, and I learnt a lot from them. That's what they got to say about Tournament Fishing if you want to fish around if you want to become a better fisherman fist around a good guy. Why you know this run Guyz, I can go out there and and slim heck. Yeah, I remember one particular time. I know if you guys know I'm but it's name was Josh Bennett. He used to fish the kbl back in the day and we had a tournament at him on Sonia and this was a I think there was my faith in my first and second year. So I was still fresh at the turn on the tournament scene and he was sitting right next to me and he was as casting all around my boat man tandem up fast out the bass on the Cinco and I was like sulfur You know, but you know you fish around those type of guys, you know those guys as good sticks. It'll make you a better fisherman. That's my point for sure. Yeah, but if you guys looking for an organization want to fish, you know kbo's a great organization as well. They've been around and got some traction and good guys Great Lakes kayak fishing serious. Like I said as well as hell if you want to do both. Yeah. Yeah. We always looking for English man. What else ya man? Thanks for having me on the show. Hey. Keep a reputation where I'm always willing to help and and not only that but rock down Adventures, you know where the word kind of the premium local shop for kayak fishing and you know, if anybody ever needs anything, you know, feel free to reach out man, you know, like I told Rodney I ran down in the shop that morning before we came back to the show because he was going to be there grabbed his stuff and you know got them set up that morning. I've came and found you and was like, hey man, I got your stuff over in the booth. So and it's the same thing like going to turn to Mints, you know, like I'm fishing all these kbf Trail events. If somebody out there needs something and hits me up before I leave and we got it at the shop man. I'll throw it in my trailer and bring it with me. So, you know, it's just just helping each other out, you know, it's just such a great Community, you know, everybody's willing to help each other so that that's kind of the going going thing man for sure. But Rodney thanks for taking the time out this morning to sit down and chat with us man. It's Good to finally get this one in the books man. We've been talking about doing this one for a while for sure. So yeah for sure man. Thanks for having me on the show man. Yeah Doug. Yeah. Absolutely man. So would that be exact good talking to you to reconcile before we get out of here? No doubt man. Absolutely. Yeah sure meet you man. Yeah, absolutely man. So with that being said guys, if you got a question comment, you want to hear certain topic on the show. Feel free to reach out to us at paddle the letter N in fin at gmail.com. Mom, be sure to check out the paddle and fin website. That's just paddle and fin.com huge shout-out to our you know supporters Rock Town Adventures leveling canoe and kayak Coyote sunglasses Sweetwater Brewing fish mob lures Southern Lake Co Michigan, Ohio kayaking leurs and then most importantly guys. Don't forget the Plastics recycling program savior use Plastics from this season mail them to the address in the show notes. It's also on our website our good friend Eric Richards out there at hammered lures melts, those Plastics downs and donates them to Heroes on the water chapters. So it's a good cause and instead of throwing those Plastics in the garbage to fill a landfill. Let's reuse them. So with that being said guys, we'll see you next time tight lines and smooth paddling.

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This is the homecoming with the Downing Brothers podcast where we talk about real estate business and financial literacy. They live by the motto dream plan. Execute your host Anthony and Anton Downing. Welcome to homecoming with a downer Brothers. This is Anthony in this is anti and we have somebody special today someone we know and we work with personally for years. That's right. That's a makea. Damn. What did she do? She is our property manager. Oh, yeah. That means I don't have to collect my own ring. That means I don't have to listen to tennis. About stuff that isn't really complain about completable. He came up with his own definition. That's not the definition today. No, that's not the definition complain about is that high so high so, where are we on home come with the down the brothers and you know the way we kick this off is that you know, we ask you a question. And that question is, where are you from and when you were growing up, what did you learn about real estate business or financial literacy? Okay, so I am from fried grew up in the Kenwood neighborhood 45 77 Lake Park. Now, I didn't learn about real estate until I was about 19 and how that happened is my mom was buying a house for the first time and she had a real estate agent who was not listening to her needs. And so she was taking us to houses. We were not liking them at all. So I took it upon myself to do my own search and I found the home that my mom is still living in today. Wow. And so that opened up my eyes to get into real estate on my own and I started as a leasing agent with Chicago Apartment Finders branched off into property management. And here I am what 10 11 12 years later and say owner of my own property management company. Whose name your company no Heights Property Management, right New Heights. That's right. That's right signing a check. That's right. I cool. So, you know, why is it important to have a Property manager, I mean, why would the Donna Brothers have arrived me manage my brother? Because they're so busy. But no it's important to have a property manager. It's all about your own personal preference though. If you want to have that investor relationship and then continue to grow and build your portfolio. Of course as you're doing that you need someone to handle the day-to-day operations. And so that is what a property manager does to make sure that you're getting paid. Your building is maintained and that any kind of relations are being taken care of so that you have that consistent residual tenet that rolls over. Year to year to year. I think you hit it on the head because that's the thing like we are busy. I mean, I think we throw that word around busy. But I mean, we you know, we coming to podcast we're doing renovations. We having meetings with public officials and investors and Christian. But I kind of feel whenever I hear people say that I always ask them. Did you ever consider getting the property manager? Yeah, because maybe experienced property managers such as yourself could have alleviated some of those problems and they could have kept that property and still had a Cashmore property. Absolutely. I think sometimes when owners want to manage their own properties is just there's not really a set set of proper. Kind of procedures that are in place meaning they can sometimes get too personal with their tenants and then sometimes take advantage of that. So for instance, you're my landlord and we had this one-on-one. So now I'm going to tell you I can't pay my rent on time this month because around my stuff the toe and I got to pay for all her hospital bills because it starts and so you being an empathetic person is so you go with that and so then You keep that going or if you have multiple tenants as give me that same line. You're not making any money and you don't get it until after your mortgage is due or after you got to pay for heater or water tank. Whatever the case may be you provide a free housing at that point. Is that no your get your money after the fact, but it also kind of puts you at a deficit because you may not have plans pay for the mortgage that month, right? So, I mean, it's all circumstantial but if you are listening right now you and your either considering buying your first Multi-unit property or you already have one and you're up to here with it and you're like I'm ready to quit before you do that do a little research and think about hiring a property manager. I mean, you don't have to say I'm either doing it myself on quitting. There is a third option. Yeah, and you can then it's the thought that having a property manager is expensive and that's not the case either really just a percentage on the dollar that you have a property manager for not granted the maintenance of the upkeep depending Going on how well your property is Will fluctuate. But as far as actually having a person to have your day-to-day that's just a percentage of about right? Yeah, and we could talk about this as though everything is so just so great because we won't have to do any work. Well, yes major infrastructure does play a part for me this past year. I had to spend like $12,000 on a boiler for one of our apartment buildings, and that's that's set me back. So we do we should you know alert people when you get that money do not go to the Bahamas with it. Do not go to the casino at least until you put away like 10% of it every month for that eventuality that's going to come. Right right and then two is all about knowing beforehand like with us having to get the boiler it was it something like we were we didn't plan for so it kind of where you had property management team on site and we We were able to monitor it and maybe plan for months in advance. So we're like, you know, we're last week and it died on us and it was kind of like something where you get to pay right away. All right, without knowing that that expenses coming up. So right I mean it's planning and preparation and I think you know some people get emotional about properties, right especially when they're buying like a single-family home people get really emotional about buying it and selling it sometimes because of emotions they buy a property because it's the first one there. On it fell in love with that and he never even saw the rest of the options on when it's time to sell they want to sell it at a certain price because in their own personal opinion is valued at sir and the same thing with pride when it comes to like owning a multi-unit. It's a business. So when you start getting emotional because you have relationships with the tenants or and things of that nature you get away from the point and the point of having a multi-unit property whether it's residential three flat or if it's a commercial building 6 flat 10 unit 20 units at the end of the day it was to make money. You got this for a reason to make money. And so let's keep it business. I've really feel that's exactly the reason why you know, we got you to be our property manager because we were starting to get personal relationships with our tenants. Back with you. Yeah, it was hard at first and what I'm happy about now is like with one of our buildings. I don't know any of those tenants. Yeah, and I imagine that makes your job easier. Yeah now I'll before we go on even though we don't know the tennis per se we do care about their well-being and so now the I think okay. This is a point. I want to make right here. We don't ever want to be slumlords and I think when you have Property Management, that means you can maintain the building to a level so that people can be proud of they live and that your tenants are comfortable and they have their needs their basic needs. Right which means that you know, they have this annotation. The toilets are working is the ceiling isn't leaking that it's you know, no obstruction going from the front door to this to the sidewalk, you know, we want to copy management allows us to make sure that those things are happening and you may not be a slumlord but your property manager may be a slum manager. Hey, that's my point. That could be something that's gorgeous people from having property managers as well because they may say nobody's don't take care of my bills my building the way I would but it's about vetting them and also kind of checking their references checking the properties that they're saying that they managed just driving through the neighborhood. How does there, you know the Landscaping look compared to the everybody in the neighborhood. That's a way to kind of vet to see how well maintained your property is and how they would treat your property because you want to your property. Roger wants to treat your property as if it's their own and so if that's the case, then they can kind of also be your accountability partner to make sure that you're not a slumlord. So speak right now. Like when when we met you, I feel like you only had a couple of buildings, right you scaled the new heights literally to new heights when you guys came along I only had two. So glad so properties that I manage and that was what 2017? Yeah, 2017 and since then I have 200 units in only what 10 of them ours. You already know you know what I want to take this moment to talk about our homecoming event. So homecoming events is where we just highlight different things that are happening across the country with a real estate business and financial literacy, and I stumbled upon Pam Brown Courtney. She is a real estate developer and investor and an educator and she built a 51 home subdivision in Little Rock. Arkansas she said that I didn't want to live in a neighborhood where people weren't friendly. So I went home and said, you know what I can build my own Community like that and I'll be nice to the people that live there and I went and looked I went and looked up and the name of this community is called Covenant Cove community. So if we have any listeners out there in Arkansas the Covenant Cove Community 51 newly built homes. She's leasing all of them and the day with Residents others are there what she said here. Oh, so you're invited to go to company Cove community and you they do Airbnb. So if you just there in town just you know, because you're visiting you can R and D. And these are high-end. These are very nice single family homes that she's Leasing and she's Leasing and I brought that up because you you lease right? Right. So you do have you know, just for the weekend type things like Airbnb, but then you also have, you know, long-term tenants. We got short-term long-term tenants. And oh and strategically this is also near the University of Arkansas. Yeah, so those students. Yeah those students and you know, she built from scratch. So it's 51 homes. They weren't there before - I can see she has the students and then she tries to run him out furnace that she can make more. Sorry. Hey, hey, that's property manager. Yeah, how can you Value Plus Value Plus e plus let's talk a little bit about that. So when you say we talk about property management, we take over a property. T and let's say it's a four unit and we go in there we want to do make some improvements so that we can justify raising the rent. So that's a value-add do the improvements you raise a ransom. Now, you got more Revenue coming in what other value adds would you consider in a building? What else? Can you make money from? The the new investor isn't really doesn't think of immediately so main key. If you're going to basically renovate a property and the individual units would be kitchens and bathrooms. Number one. Uh-huh. I always say you do not have to put stainless steel appliances in their black will suffice unless you have condo units and you're going full day without modern amenities then go ahead and throw this pain is still there, but it was just a regular permanent you're doing you're renovating and upgrading it then black of Isis will suffice space of Course and then from there you just kind of go ahead and rip because those are the main things that for instance. I looking for Adams with atoms. We can charge extra for XYZ charge extra for garage. If you have a garage sale these you can have Mondrian sighs. So and then if you own the machines and you're getting that income so coin-operated. Yeah, we added that. So if I want one of the buildings, yeah and then At renewal if you want to raise it to the 3% ways to kind of accommodate the tennis for that is you want to do something nice for him from as a thank you for renewal is so typical things that I like to do. What we have is a carpeting unit get a complimentary carpet cleaning so that will cost you 100 to 150 on top. But then over time if you're raising the rent $25 what you got like six hundred dollars annual increase just off of $150, right? So You think it is because I you know, I know there's somebody listening right now who's about to buy their first residential apartment building about to get their first three flat or four unit. So you go in there. And right now you got a three-bedroom one-bath in the neighborhood where the top end is a thousand dollars for rent for that three bedroom one bath, but currently is being rented for $900. So when you come in there as the leases expire you make a couple of improvements you you know to the bathroom or the kitchen you may Make an improvement or you or if you don't make it provements doing the carpet cleaning and I also like about all three of us are well, you know, let's say it has a down there and you're thinking to yourself. Oh, oh, what I would like to do is get $3,000 a month. There's three flat. But right now I'm only getting you know, 1,700. I mean are not 1700 but 2700, you know, how do I get to where I want to be? So with when you're buying a property that has tenants in there. The first thing you want to do or you want your property manager do is to interview them do a walk-through of their apartment see what issues more than likely tendons that have been in a property for a while. They want a new paint job what new appliances maybe just depends On how long has been in the condition? But typically if you go in and do a full paint job some look like a burrito apartment anyway, because if they have that standard white paint that has kind of turned yellow after a while. So when they see you coming in and making those changes that automatically gives them the trust's assigned on a 12-month lease with you as well as give you, you know, the increase that you're asking for because you're coming in and doing things that the previous owner didn't threaten and then You say you're so where else can I squeeze and a couple of dollars out? Well, if I have a 3 car garage and a three tenets and I charge each one of them $25 that's extra $75 a month. And then I have storage spaces downstairs and they don't currently have access to the storage. I clean out the entire basement divided up and then I charge them $25 a month for the storage space. So now they can put down there all you know their bikes and they're extra winter clothes whatever it is right encourage them also to renew because at first they had everything in Their apartments or was cramped at the thinking all I need to move without have enough space in the you just opened up all the space for them. All right, but now so let me see. I got 75 hours from the garage $75 from the storage. That's a hundred and fifty the rim and I raised over $100 is three hundred four hundred fifty dollars. I think when you buy that building make these considerations on what are you willing to do? You have the capital to make some improvements and what is not being utilized in that building that you can now provide and give access to And now you know, you got extra money know the one thing that we haven't talked about yet. Is that section 8 because because for me that very first building I put to Section 8 tenants and two out of the three units and people always try to talk bad about Section 8 tenants, but I don't think I've ever had a problem with my section 8 saying I think this people yes, they are you just have to interview and you don't even necessarily like the thing is that people think that anybody that has I said Jay voucher that they're not working and it's just a stigma. So the thing is with ch a you on the list. So when you started on the list, you may not have it working. But by the time they make it to you because the list is so long. I've had people that have received stage a vouchers and I work for the post office now granted you are still has a voucher holder, but the tables are turned. So whereas you would have been paying $50 and chaa would have been paying, you know, 950 you're an hour. And I 50 is caj is paying $50 so that whole stigma of you know, voucher holders not working and they tear up your property at this then the third is horrible. I think it's horrible to I think so many so many people rely I would never put Section 8 in my building as soon as I can my building everybody is paying market rate a my thing is when I think about market rate versus a Section 8 tenant, they're both people. They both need to be interviewed people who are market rate will tear up your apartment. Just like someone who has a voucher. The question is did you do your due diligence and do and what is due diligence? Like, how are you? What is it? What is the interview in selection process into every single person whether they have a voucher of subsidy Market should go through and credit and background. So I had come across so many owners that because they have a subsidy because they have a voucher that's guaranteed money that you bypassed even screening the person because you're just knowing that they have this guaranteed money. So everybody should go through that. What I do an extra incentive, especially with voucher holders is to do a home inspection or whether currently living right because chii requires you to do annual inspections. And if you have someone that's coming in and they don't maintain as a shield which is a fear that some owners have to come in every year at fix everything up if you see how they're living with their current lease and then you can kind of say if that's something that you Tackle or you rather not move forward with them as a as an advocate, but you have to let all of that be known in the beginning so that you're not kind of going against fair housing laws are saying that you're being discriminatory. How long does it take to get a week to do everything you just said for one perspective Senate the background comes back the same day. That's all of your schedule right? So maybe take a week take a today's it just depends on you just and then if you have A property manager already did it so okay. So right now I'm just being an advocate. Obviously. I'm bias, right? We have our property manager here on this episode we're biased but we also appreciate how free are time is because because you are doing spending the time to do the background check to do the home visit to take care of any issues and problems that are going on in our building deal with it let our landscaper and Deal with making in request for increase with the Section 8 tenants and then as you as you grow in your relationship just like a couple days ago. We sat down and kind of strategize. We had a little powwow and say oh these are the things that I would like to see happening on into the future and then you go out and execute those things and I feel like oh I'm getting my money's worth for having a property manager. But if you value your time, and that's the reason why at the end of the day, that's why we have a property manager because we value our time. I want my time back to do to do. Other things and you guys are seeing what we doing. So we need that time to do this definition of you mean Anton's definition of the day and we'll do that right after this break. Are you currently paying off student debt interested in improving your financial literacy or looking for new ways to earn income in today's ever-changing digital landscape willing to talk money with mesh lakhani podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts and break down complex ideas to bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range. Two subjects from buying Bitcoin dealing with student debt and everything in between. Listen to talk money with mesh lakhani on Spotify or whatever you listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest in earn for today's economy. All right, we're back and it's time for air times definition of the day. And the definition for today is Property Management property management is the operation control and oversight of Real Estate Management indicates the need of real estate to be cared for Monitor and accountability for its useful life and condition. This is much of kin to the role of management in any business, right and any business and our business is real estate. And so Got it, you know if you need to hire managers to make sure that you have your systems in place because we throw that word around a lot of times systems a system is basically having people who are working for you to execute your dream your plan. So do you have a system in place by having a property manager who then goes out and make sure that all the things that your building needs are in place and the property manager. She he or she will you know, how do your day-to-day operations but they They also can help you with your budget as far as forecasting for the following year. I'm coming up with like you say brainstorming and doing a powwow to come up with what are the plans for the next following year as far as any special projects you want to do on the property giving you your statement. You should receive a statement. So let you know where your funds are going in how the money is being split up so that you you know, I'm not your hands off, but you're still you know in the know of what's going on. You're proud. Hey, when tax season comes that record-keeping is amazing. Thank you. I know that's right because they are definitely some you know, tax write-offs and things of that nature that you kind of need the information. You need to know what the revenue was and what the maintenance costs were and I got enough in order for you to properly do your taxes. All right. So we got a question for you. Give us your dream plan execute moment. It could be from the past present or something that you working on now, but what did you dream? About how did you formulate that plan and tell us about the execution so new heights started out as a dream. Of course. It was one that I felt that I needed to do with somebody else. I just couldn't do it by myself. I just it just wasn't possible but I was forced to and it's like you blink and times past and you see how much you've done. So what was its 2018? I you know, just Janice. Stuff down as far as where I want to see new heights grow within the year and it was actually made of 2018 when I wasn't to get May of 2018 when I wrote this down where I wanted to see me lies within the year and I just put a random number next to it and I went $20,000 over that number not even really pushing. It just happened and another thing. Thing that is like my dream plan execute proud moment is that most of my clientele from New Heights has been strictly from referrals. I just started to try to you know market and promote my business, but for the most part my client salesmen strictly referral for first one. All right, that's awesome. You know that something is real consistent among our guests and it's the power of writing. It's right down. Yeah, yes, because you come back across something you wrote down and it may be a couple of weeks or a couple months maybe even a couple of years, but because it's written down you come back across it and you see it and then it's like, oh, let's do something about this thing that I wrote. Yeah. I definitely believe in writing things down. I have about five journal books that I just I just jot things down that I want to do but thing that that I enjoy most about is that when I go back and I look at it and I can Crossing things off. The list and it's like it wasn't like I said, it wasn't something that I was at get it done. I got to get done and I'm like chasing. My tail is just something that everything aligned and it just happened. And so I just believe we put it out there it comes back to the boat definitely definitely. So this is homecoming with down a brother. So I'm gonna ask you this when you hear the term homecoming, what does that mean to you family family an imprint love happiness is - it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. All right. So we ask people, you know about their Hometown. We know you from Chicago, you know, there's a lot of different things that are going on. Is there any like homecoming cause not-for-profit organization or anything like that that you think can think of that you think people should support or should know about there are tons of domestic violence shelters. There's houses one that I donate to where's Clarence House and do they do they help and she helps women from domestic violence situations and their children with clothing shelter. There is also Heartland Alliance. They help veterans thresholds helps people that are recovering addicts with housing. And so there are tons of organizations in Chicago that help people and any way that I can I always kind of reach out and whether You know, like for instance Thursday, I'm throwing a Thanksgiving lunch. And at one of my properties it high-rise and it's for my seniors. And so then I have movie Church coming out. I have health clinics coming out. It's so it's just kind of giving back. All right, cool. You said on Thursday? Yeah. What time do you hear this guy? Cool. So your property management is important. It is a key part of what allows the down a brother. So, you know allows Anthony than time to be able to be free to do the things that we want to do and when it comes to real estate if you guys are going to go out there and you're thinking about buying and holding properties and having tenants and becoming a landlord then if you don't have the time to do it yourself or do it properly then you can consider Property Management. So where can they find you and your This new heights on Instagram is New Heights underscore property and GMT. And then on Facebook new heights Property Management there you have it. There you have it. Is there anything else that you need to know about New Heights or for yourself? I will be at the Downing brother's birthday party. There you go. That's right right after Thanksgiving. So yeah, you can actually come out to our birthday party is going to be if you're over November 30th 5 p.m. So yeah, we had we had to guess. Hopefully we get this episode. So thanks a lot for coming out and of course you go to our Instagram page and our Facebook page the down in brothers and you will see more of new heights management and the kids ever. Thank you. Thank you for tuning in to homecoming with a Downing Brothers podcast. For more information on how to dream plan execute in real estate business and financial literacy visit triple. W dot the Downing Brothers. dot-com

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On this podcast we discussed real life experiences with teens and adults right here in Santa Barbara the knowledge. We gain and share from these talks are in aim to help young men and women build a solid foundation of confidence. Tears of Rage filled my eyes and streamed down my cheeks as I desperately tried to inflict some sort of pain on my older cousins in the front yard of the house on the Mesa. Although this may sound a little violent who was actually all for fun mixed with learning that tough life lesson of how to stand up for yourself and when needed to fight as far back as I can remember, my mother made it a point to be home with us and put her heart and soul into raising not only her children, but also many cousins around my age are days were filled. Trips to the park and hours upon hours at the beach. Another way. We learn to enjoy ourselves was when my mom would have us put on the gloves to box each other or go at it wrestling inevitably someone would start crying but we were never to quit and when all said and done we shook hands and went on playing another great memory is my dad coming home from work and somehow always finding the energy to play with me. It just so happens. One of my favorite things to play with him was to fight. This was especially enjoyable because unlike fighting my older cousins in the front yard in these fights. I somehow came up on top every time or at least that's what he had led me to believe but either way it did wonders for my confidence. I must say I was absolutely lucky to have such loving parents and very fortunate to have the childhood. I did now after hearing what I just shared about my childhood would be pretty hard to believe that for some mysterious reason as I hit puberty and became a teenager that I would consider the very parents that showed me so much love and support. Now my enemies also for reasons I couldn't understand how I became absolutely terrified of fighting which led to me not sticking up for myself, which led me to be seen as weak and therefore picked on regularly. I often self-reflect on the choices. I made as teenagers and all the bad things. I put my parents through and I can remember even back then having a sense of guilt of why I fell and acted the way I did coming from such a loving home. I would see Others around me who had a real bad at home, but in my young mind that didn't make me feel better that actually led me to feel even worse about myself after battling with all these negative thoughts day in and day out. It was only a matter of time before I just decide to stop feeling any type of emotions at all. I'm sharing all this with you to spread awareness that our youth no matter their background can fall victim to all the evil things. This world has to offer good parenting is a solid foundation No Doubt with I've been said it's only natural to start to rebalance our parents or any childhood authority figures for that matter as we become teens. It's my belief that at this time that we also need something else. We can be a part of to be heard and seen by others other peers we can contribute to and gain significance from some may find it in a positive form like School sports or a job Others May follow a more negative path in turn to drugs unhealthy relationships or breaking the law the following Is my story and how I went from an honor student to a gang member? The year I graduated from fifth grade was the same year that Santa Barbara School District move sixth grade from elementary schools to Junior High's which in turn were then name middle schools. This wasn't a big deal to me as the only thing I would have looked forward to was sixth grade science camp, but my mother had warned me long before that. She would not allow me to go her not allowing me to attend science camp wasn't due to my behavior. But because she was absolutely terrified of letting me spend the night anywhere besides family's house, although Seems odd to me as a young child. I know now her actions were due to mistrust caused by stories and life experience. She had learned throughout her life. I can remember in elementary school here in kids talk about plans and spending the night at each others house or going on trips with their friends family as I listened. I would Ponder how odd that would be and the more I thought about it. The more a sense of fear would overcome me. It was like my mind would think of all the bad things that could happen and I thought for sure grown-ups would act much different and private than the great Persona they would Project and public from kindergarten to fifth grade. I had one friend that I would spend time with outside a school great kid with a big heart and a loving family. I was always welcomed over and enjoyed all the time. I spent over there as we got older and he was gaining more freedom. Our friendship started to fade. I would be over his house and he would have other friends over as well. They would start making plans to leave and go hang out at some place without parents supervision or just to go spend the night at someone else's house. Either way. That was a big No-No for me, which was made crystal clear to me. Each time. I stepped outside the door of my home. I was told you are allowed to go to his house and only his house do not call to ask if you can go anywhere else after 5th grade graduation. I seen less and less than my friend and come Junior High besides the occasional ride to school. I would catch with him and his dad. We stopped in her acting all together nowadays. I see my little cousins nieces and nephews going into junior high and I think to myself how can this be? They look too small. They aren't mature enough. They aren't ready, but then I have to remind myself. I was no different. I was short Skin and bones with a baby face and was in no way ready to have my world turned upside down. But hey life waits for no one, right? You know how sometimes it's real hard to decipher if you're excited or nervous. Well, I was actually pretty excited for junior high and with the first day fast approaching I was spent hours thinking of how great it would be all the new kids. I would meet that for sure would become my friends and maybe just maybe I would even meet a beautiful girl that I would get to know show her how much of a gentleman I was and once she seen that she would want. my girlfriend Damn, I was naive but how was I supposed to know? I mean, I had just spent the last six years in elementary school where we had recess three times a day the same teachers and classmates all year round. We were greeted with smiley faces and gold stars for our school work and our Behavior, even as a part of our Elementary graduation, we did group performances singing multiple songs to parents and staff. I mean what the hell man, how is any of that supposed to prep me for junior high? Anyways back to the story my wardrobe for my first year of junior high was not much. Turn from the years prior, but at the time I liked it and felt good with how I looked also help tie. It all together was a fresh new flattop haircut. I started rocking at the time the morning of my first day. I stood in front of my mirror in the bathroom very content with the reflection. I saw myself although in the months and years to come my feelings of content would be replaced with confusion and misery. My first day was pretty uneventful spent most of my time finding my classes getting all the books I needed and taking note of all the homework we would be getting I didn't see much familiar faces and me being that introvert that I am I didn't make it a point to try and go around introducing myself the rest of the week followed suit, but I had big aspirations for Friday. You see I've been playing sports since I was a little kid started off with t-ball moved on to baseball then basketball, but my favorite was football. It was a football tradition that you would wear your jersey every Friday since it was a day before your big game. I guess. I figured that although I didn't recognize any faces. There was no way I could miss someone wearing a All Jersey and then the same me Friday came and I went to school wearing my jersey proudly. Of course my shyness prevented me from going up to anyone else wearing their Jersey to strike up a conversation. I did get a couple head nods what UPS from teammates but no one else approached me to say anything. So Friday just came and went like the days prior in case you're wondering why I didn't hang out with teammates. It wasn't like I was against it. I just never clicked like that with anybody on my sports teams. I would practice and play the games with them, but that's where it ended as six. Grade went on I got more and more used to being a loner. It actually gave me a great sense of comfort to know that I didn't have to talk to anyone and no one was going to talk to me not having any type of social life really allowed me to focus on my school work, which I was doing quite well and this helped in big part of me achieving honorable status. I'm not going to lie a big part of me. Wish that one day a popular kid would take interest in me and bring me into a circle of friends, but I came to the reality that it wasn't going to happen. I believe it was at this time that I really fell in love. People watching there was so much going on in the hallways in between classes that I would observe and soak in. I'm sure if anybody had been paying attention to me, I would have looked like a major weirdo lunchtime would consist of getting something to eat real quick. And then the occasional pickup basketball game, but for the most part I would just wander around scoping out the scene of the schoolyard. I was completely fascinated with how everyone interacted with each other groups of boys roughhousing and cracking jokes girls laughing and doing their makeup and my favorite couples. I admired their relationships. I saw so much and often thought how awesome it would be to have a girl friend of my own. I was going to treat her like a princess and she would absolutely adore me. I started to really analyze all the different boys that had girlfriends. I was infatuated with learning why they're girls like them so much. Well, I learned but instead of using what I had learned to help me I let my newfound knowledge crippled me. I notice how these guys carry themselves with confidence acting much more mature than their age and You to always know what to say to make their girls smile. I started thinking of how I measured up in these certain categories the results. I came up with were I wouldn't even know how to pretend to have a confidence. These guys had I still feel like a little kid who doesn't belong in junior high not to mention. I'm 11, but I look like an eight-year-old him forget about saying the right thing to make a girl smile. I don't even know if words will come out if I had the chance to talk to a girl. So needless to say I wouldn't be approaching girls anytime soon yet as luck would have it it girl would have Approached me one morning while hundreds of students stood outside the school waiting for the doors to be unlocked and the battery. I was approached by a girl who I knew from sharing a class together. She said something along the lines of hey, I wanted to introduce you to my friend which she then did a friend and I quickly exchanged hellos. I forgot the dialogue of the small talk. She tried to have him with me but it didn't last long at all. I think she was expecting or at least hoping for more than one word answers. I was responding with and just like that both girls were on their way. I should have taken In that as a small victory, but instead I was just confused by what had just happened Shrugged it off and went along with my day. The more time that passed by the more comfortable. I got with how things were going for me at school so much so that I even decided to go to an after school dance. I ended up going completely by myself with no plans on even meeting up with anybody. I'm sure if any of the kids at the dance would have noticed they would have thought it was weird as hell but fortunately no one caught on the plan was simple head in go find a wall and hold it up. I went up to the entrance table and asked one ticket and one bag of Doritos PLS got what I needed and headed in to execute the plan. It was actually a good time. I was there posted solo watching all the kids on the Dance Floor the DJ had all his lights going and was playing all the latest jams. Although there was a loud party going on all around me. I felt totally calm was truly enjoy myself. It was peaceful. Just people watching then out of nowhere the girl. I was just introduced to a few weeks before appeared. In front of me, I was surprised not only to see her but also the fact that she came up to talk to me again. She asked me to dance and without thinking twice I said, yes, we went straight to the dance floor and got to it. Of course. I had no idea how to dance but I came up with some basic moves and just put them on repeat. I'm sure it was a hilarious sight to see but she seemed to enjoy my company out there. I'm proud of eleven-year-old me for saying yes and getting out there regardless of how nervous I was it would have been much easier to quickly say no. Thank you and just keep to myself the rest of the night whenever I think about this event in my life. I make sure 11 year old me knows how proud I am of him. And if I could I would shake his hand. I must have been doing something right because we finished our dances. She wrote her phone number on my hand and asked me to call her later that night after that point in the night. I don't remember the rest of the dance. I was on a natural high later that evening once home and settled in I grabbed the cordless house phone. No cell phones back in those days. I found a spot in the house where I could have some privacy and The number that she had written on my hand back in those days. It took a little more bravery to make these calls due to the fact that nobody had their own personal phone. So you had to call the house and never know who is going to pick up you had to be prepared to ask if you could speak to the person you were looking to talk to nowadays. You just choose a text or slide up into their DM. Anyways, I got her on the phone and we begin talking some of the things I remember from our conversation was how she told me that she had actually been suspended from school, but Chuck into the dance because she wanted to have fun in which I thought to myself. Oh dang. She's a bad girl. Also that the whole reason why she asked her friend to introduce her to me was because she thought I was cute. I already thought she was pretty and the more I learned about her over the phone call. The more intrigued I became from her personality as well. The longer our talk went and the more compliments. I received the more my confidence grew that night. I asked her to be my girlfriend. She said yes and just like that. I was in my First relationship. I was excited about having a girlfriend and all that. I thought would come from there was one major problem though. I had no idea how to be a boyfriend. It was my hope that I would transform into a confident young man who would always know what to say make her smile and that she would grow to a dorm even though I hope for all this to happen. Apparently, I guess I figured it was just going to happen naturally because I gave little to no effort and make it happen. It wasn't that I did it on purpose. I was just too scared to take action. So our relationship at school was pretty much non-existent by watching her from afar. I got to see how she interacted with others at school and by talking on the phone. I learned more about her. She was very much different from me. She came from a broken home was a troublemaker could care less about her grades at school and her mother let her do whatever the hell she wanted to I believe my newfound girlfriend was becoming impatient with me failing to make any type of move so she took the bull by the horns. Once again, she made the first move and asked me to go to the movies. I told her that I would like to go but first we need to get permission from my parents my mom and dad were cool with me going but I would have to take my little brother along with me. I relayed this to my girlfriend and although she wasn't thrilled. It wasn't a deal-breaker either. She said that she would just ask her best friend to go as well. When date night came my brother and I got dropped off at the theater to meet them her friend was our age and my brother was seven at the time so it wasn't exactly exactly a double date. We sat watch Billy Madison, no hand-holding and definitely no kissing which is what I understood was the real reasons couples. Our age would go to the movies. It seemed like our relationship Behavior at the theater was identical to how it was at school. Luckily. My girlfriend wasn't ready to give up on me just yet a few days later. She invited me to her house surprisingly. I was granted permission to go under two conditions one. Her mother would be there and to my little brother goes with me the rain. For made and my brother and I arrived at her house, of course, since I brought my little brother, she invited her best friend we hung out at her house for a while. I learned her dad had passed away when she was around eight years old. So she lived with her mother two sisters Three Brothers. My girlfriend was child number four out of six. I was stunned how her family interacted with each other there were no hugs kisses or I love yous instead. There was yelling cursing and door slamming mother included. I was relieved when it was suggested that we go on a walk because it was a lot for my immature and soft South to soak in at the time. We left the house and headed to the park. I remember us having a fun time, but it was far from romantic after exploring around the park for a while. We went back to her place to hang out before my bro, and I got picked up her and I were sitting on the bed side by side. This was the closest we had ever been to each other her friend must have realized this as well. And I'm sure her and my girlfriend must have had plenty of talks about our Moving at a snail's pace her friends started to peer pressure us to kiss. I've never kissed before and now I was being pressured to do it in front of an audience. I turned in my girlfriend smiled like I was taking the whole thing as a joke and then turned away and kept my eyes busy somewhere else. I think it was at this moment. She lost all hope and me being any type of boyfriend she wanted although she didn't say it at that moment. She even leaned over and gave me a peck on the cheek. I took it as a major victory. Hurry and was ecstatic. I just got my first kiss. Yes. It was on my cheek and I wasn't the one who made the move but still I felt like I just took my first step on the road to manhood a few days later. I was sitting in my living room playing on my Sega Genesis. This was a video game console from back in the day. I was playing with my cousins and my brother when the phone rang I picked it up and said hello much to my surprise. It was my girlfriend's little sister. I was kind of caught off guard because her and I never had really Kim before not that we would be talking much on this call either she quickly and simply told me that her sister did not want to be with me anymore and that she was breaking up with me I said, okay and we hung up and just like that. My first relationship was over. I believe the whole thing lasted about a month. I found out later that she had her eyes set on a boy that was making a big name for himself as a gangster and within days they were together making in out an all without meaning to on a subconscious level. I became captivated by the type of girl My First Girlfriend Was and I felt I needed to become the type of guy that would attract them enter 7th grade over the summer after sixth grade. I had a lot of time to myself as you can imagine. I started thinking of creating a new image of myself. I figured if I stop dressing like I did in elementary and carried myself differently. I would get different results when it Into my social life this year around I had no type of fashion sense or South identity. So I use my environment as inspiration. I grew up hearing stories from my mother father aunts and uncles about their total days as teenagers and most of my older cousins identified themselves as gangsters. It seemed like all the wannabe gangsters at my school got plenty of attention from girls in my eyes. They seem to be young men and not little boys, like myself along with all the the other males at my school. I made up my mind and decided my new wardrobe would consist of Nike Cortez has baggy creased up Dickies and 2x Ben Davis collared shirts for back to school shopping. We went to the swamp meets ears 2001. I was pretty proud of how my new look came together. I thought I looked pretty sharp walking into my first day of 7th grade. I felt fresh and was standing a little taller same baby face, but from the neck down. It was a whole new me. It didn't take long for my theory of South transformation to prove successful. My social life seem to be changing immediately. I was actually being noticed by other students and also to my surprise by my teachers little did. I know the new attention I was acquiring would lead to a substantial source of misery for me. It seemed like teachers had little to no patience for my questions or requests for help and I was getting asked where I was from on a daily basis. I had no idea. Of how to even answer when I would get hit up. I grew up on the Mesa a suburb up and over the hill from both the west side and the East Side neighborhoods was I supposed to say I was from there or just say I was from nowhere do I explain in detail of how I just wanted to dress like a gangster but didn't want to be one. I have no clue. It wasn't too bad. At first most times. I would get looked up and down and then left alone as the school year went on the negative attention. Was receiving became Amplified the guys who were actually striving to make a name for themselves in the west side. We're getting tired of seeing me day after day wearing a uniform. They found should be earned the interrogation started to get more intense. They would say things like why do you dress like that? If you don't bang we know your cousins are from the East side. So is that where you're from? I seem to always explain my way through it. I'm sure my prepubescent body frame and Babyface had a lot to do with me getting those passes. To my surprise the guys who were giving me a hard time begin to ask me to hang out with them. They would see me at lunch by myself and tell me to come over to where they were at. I would suspiciously walk over and join their group actually kept a pretty cool in the beginning and it was like they were trying to keep me close so they could see what I was really about. I never got a welcoming feeling when they would tell me to come around. I didn't speak unless spoken to and just found out of place oftentimes they would get rough with me to see what type of reaction they would get. Often played it off. Like it didn't bother me and that I found it funny as well. I often played it off. Like it didn't bother me and that I found it as funny as they did but that wasn't the case. I wasn't really sure how to feel about what was going on. It was all very new to me. I know I wasn't enjoying how I was being treated, but I also was wondering if that's just how you make friends things started to get much more uncomfortable as time went on especially if I have To be around while they were hanging out with girls. I remember watching lots and lots of kids walking home and groups after school. Why would Stan and wait for my mom to pick me up? It looks like fun. There were groups making different plans of what to do on their way home to me. It seemed like some big neighborhood party with kids everywhere and just like the sixth grade dance. I went to I didn't care if I had anyone to go with I just wanted to be there it took awhile and lots of persuasion, but I was finally granted permission from my mother to walk home from the Number two, the Mesa was a good distance, but I didn't mind at all. That was just more time to explore and people watch man. It was fun. I got to see so many different kinds of friend groups is very interesting to see how they behave differently and similarly. It was like I could feed off their energy. It was very fulfilling the group of want to be started taking notice that I was walking home. And one day told me to come to the park with them and a few girls. They were hanging with even though I was very Just by walking home by myself. I didn't want to pass on the chance to meet some girls who just happened to be the type. I was enamored by we got to the park and started to kick it on and around the jungle gym. I'm not sure what I did to set off the loud mouth of the group. Maybe I placed myself a little too close to one of the girls he liked or maybe he just wanted to look extra tough to the group. But Midway through the group chopping it up amongst each other. He jumped down from where he was walked over to me cock bat and slug me right in the chest. My immediate reaction to that just like I had learned from play fighting in my front yard was to punch him right back my punch landed right back on his chest and instantly a wave of fear washed over me. I became Frozen. I could see his eye swelling with anger will mine instead were filling with tears. I didn't want him or any of the others, especially the girls to see me getting emotional. So I just put my head down and stared at the floor. He shouted oh, so you think you're tough, huh and later another solid blow to my chess, which this time. I just took and kept staring at the ground. By this time the circle of kids were silent. No one was egging him on or telling him to stop I felt so alone. I will be on embarrassed and felt like a complete coward. There was little no pain from the punches absorb what hurt the most was a pain. I had never experienced before the pain was excruciating. This pain was loneliness. I had a long walk ahead of me still this gave me plenty of time to gather myself. And when I got home I was able to act completely normal. I casually asked my mom if she could start picking me up again and that brought an end to my walks home. The scrutiny. I was receiving was not worth dressing the way I was it was even happening outside of the school environment at football practice. I was quarterback. I would call my offense to huddle up and while calling the play. I'll be told you're a naughty old gangster, huh? Although I didn't want to worry my parents. I knew I needed to change how I dress if I wanted that antagonizing to stop one morning. I laid down on the bed and my parents room. My mom could tell I was deeply upset she has what's wrong. I told her I didn't want to dress like this anymore. She asked why and I told her that everyone keeps hitting me up and saying I was a wannabe gangster we started talking and she was advising me on things to tell these kids. The time to leave for school was fast approaching as I opened up the door to walk out. I look back at her to show her. I was going to be strong but the weight of all the stress had become too much to hide and as I walked out. I burst it out in tears. enter eighth grade back in seventh grade. My parents had bought me some different clothes. I didn't have a new particular set style or anything, but I know I want to stay away from anything baggy. So let's just say I was wearing skinny jeans long before they became popular dressing different did help but unfortunately, I had already opened Pandora's Box the same guys still gave me a hard time, but I wasn't hanging around with them anymore. So it wasn't as often or as bad for reasons unknown to me at the time. I started to attract. New type of bullying they were Chicanos like the other guys were but they weren't interested in games. I'd call these ones want to be alpha males their interests were girls and parting it was at this time in my life. I spent much more time in front of my bathroom mirror, but I wasn't content with what I saw in the mirror anymore. I never started blaming myself for putting myself down. I would just stare and confusion. I was desperate to know what it was about the way I looked at made other kids. You treat me so horribly the alpha kids use the same tactics. The gangster kids. Did they made me think I was kind of a part of their crowd or at least had potential to be except these kids weren't busy full time trying to act so hard so they had more time to be chill and have fun. I actually was able to enjoy my time around them. Some of the time me joining in on the conversation didn't seem to set them off but then being cool or uncool with me simply was unpredictable. I was getting more and more used to the Day poking and prodding, you know a little push here a little tripping there. And of course plenty of derogatory remarks one day. I was walking with the kid. I shared a class with I remember this kid being even quieter than I was five. I didn't know any better. I would have thought he was a mute class that just ended and we're walking in the same direction to our next class. We were chatting as we strolled and then out of nowhere. One of the gangster kids came up and purposely knock the books out of the other kids hands. Once again my instinct took over. And I shoved the gangster kit his eyes bulge in his face turned red as he ran back and shove me his push sent me back a few steps and I again froze tears filled my eyes as I look to see where the other kid was but there was no sight of them. I stood there once again when my head down not wanting the gangster kid to see that I was being emotional he snapped at me with a few Choice words and then walked away. Obviously, I chose to swallow my pride on The Daily but events like these crush me and any hopes I had a Come in a man. There was a bright side to having a baby face and looking so young. There was a good amount of girls who thought I was very cute and weren't shy about letting me know that the problem that came along with that though was that I was friend cute not boyfriend cute. I had my one girlfriend in sixth grade and then went on a dry spell for two years granted. I would never ask a girl unless they went through the trouble of making it completely obvious to me that they liked me and that hadn't happened eighth grade was coming to an end when I ended up getting and seated next to a girl that had become familiar with not only her but her group of friends as well this girl and I got to know each other more and in class we started to flirt with each other at least that's what I interpreted as she would even put her leg on top of mind and let me caress it during class after this happening consistently. I took it as a big hint that she liked me. I worked up the courage and asked her to be my girlfriend to it. She said no, I was more confused and embarrassed. I wondered how I had read that wrong. And thought I was in deep trouble. I've been able to figure out how the female mind worked. I did start to worry about what she was going to tell other people and most of all her girlfriends where they all going to laugh and make fun of me where they going to think I was stupid for thinking that one of them would actually want to be my girlfriend after a few days went by I did my best to forget I even asked some time later the girl from my class ended up telling me that one of her friends like me and that I should ask her to be my girlfriend. I knew the She spoke of and decided to act fast. I quickly found myself in relationship. Number two. I did upgrade my boyfriend's clothes this time around I spent time with my new girlfriend at lunch how other hand in between classes and even made the move to have my first kiss soon after graduation day arrived and I was invited to a grad Party by the alpha guys. I wasn't surprised about being invited nor was I excited to go as I didn't know what may be in store for me there my girlfriend ended up telling me she was going to be there. And wanted me to go as well. She promised we would have an extra special time by this point in our relationship. We had already shared with each other that we were both virgins, but felt we were ready for sex or at least in our 13 year old brains. We thought we were I put 0 planning into how we would make it happen there at the house where the party would be held but I also knew I would do whatever it took to make it happen as luck would have it the dudes who house it was already had it all figured out. He was one of the alphas and I was probably closest to him than any of the others. He let me know to take her to his room as soon as she showed up so we could have our quality time before more and more people showed up to the party. So that's what I did which worked out very nice. He had just forgot to mention that he and his girlfriend would also be in the room. He and his girl were on the bottom bunk and my girlfriend and I on the top bunk along with random couples walking in to see if the room was occupied now, we were only 13 so I'm not going to go into detail of that experience. But let's just say I use all the knowledge I gained from those late-night skinemax movies and what I could make sense of through the fuzzy screen of the spice Channel after we finish our special time together. We did our best to straighten up and head out to the party. She left the room first and I followed shortly after once I was out in daylight. I noticed my hair was sticking up. My shirt was still halfway and Tuck and my pants were Twisted. I guess that's what happens when you try to dress. Self under the covers in a dim room with an audience present. I went straight to the snack table to keep myself occupied under the impression that no one outside the room knew what had just happened that thought was short-lived when it close friend of my girls walked up to the snack table beside me. I just put a slice of cucumber to my mouth and took a bite when she remarked. That's not the only thing you like to eat, huh? I just smirked and thought damn word got around quick and that was my last day of Junior High coming from a large Mexican family. There was always huge parties where it would be easy to sneak a beer or two. I had tried many beers as young as I can remember but hadn't developed the taste buds for them quite yet. And as far as weed goes my first time getting high was 12, but that had been much more hard to come by that's already to all change as I got closer to the age of 14 and develop quite the taste for alcohol and was now able to easily get weed. I began getting drunk and All the time it made me feel marvelous and help me not to think of why so many other kids treated me the way they did. The summer heading into ninth grade was a very memorable one. I started hanging out with my two older cousins much more mild is cousin had just got back from placement and my second oldest had moved back down from Santa Maria the year prior by have been going to Santa Barbara High while I was at La Cumbre. It felt so good to be around him. I mean don't get me wrong. They didn't hesitate to punch or push me around either but with them it was different and I had no problem dishing it right back out to them. I would go out with them. Sometimes but mostly we would spend time together at each other's houses in both cases. I would meet some of their friends here and there while does cousin was from the crazies and the younger ones solely from the East side one evening late into the summer. We were hanging out around my niece and neighborhood we decided we want to go out cruising but there was a small issue preventing us from doing so we didn't have a car my cousin's knew a girl who live close by that had an SUV we went by her place and she was All for going out with us that night mild is cousin drove. She sat shoddy while we sat in the back my other Primos at to my left one of their friends was on my right and I sat in the middle who was a chill right very mellow. I can't remember the exact time but it must have been late because there were no other cars driving around we decided to stop at a 7-Eleven that wasn't too far away from where we were at the time the plan was to grab some snacks real quick. Get back on the road as we pull into park. We realize we're just pulled into a parking lot with three car loads of guys who look very happy to see us but not in a friendly way more in the way of like they had been cruising around looking for trouble but had been unsuccessful. It was just sheer bad luck on our part that we were in the wrong place at the wrong time our mood of the night change instantly, not exactly sure how everyone else in the car was feeling. But I went from chill to heart beating out of my chest the guy started yelling out. God boss my older Primo slammed the car in reverse and gunned it we hit the street and started flying down the road with them right behind us one car pulled along our right side. And another on the left one stayed on our tail our windows were down. We pulled in a 7-Eleven and we didn't have power windows. So the driver side window was wide open the guys in the car on the left started throwing beer cans and other items. At our getaway driver, they even started hanging out of their car to get a closer shot. My cousin sitting to the left of me seen this and started hanging out the window himself to do what he could to try and protect his older brother. I'm not exactly sure what caused it but my older cousin lost control. I felt a sharp jerk and then it was like time almost came to a stop. All action was in slow motion, like watching a slow cross the road. The card tip to the driver side and begin to Tumble over and over again. It was like some evil carnival ride as the car spun. The gravity would have me pinned and as it hit the ground I was sent flying this seemed to go on forever. I wasn't able to focus on one particular view but I remember being mesmerized by what seemed to be floating little pieces of glass hovering all throughout the car and in front of my face the SUV finally came to a sliding stop. We landed completely upside-down real-time Snapback. I did my best to shake it off and bring myself to concentrate on what I needed to do next. I saw that the back window had been totally blown out. So I made my way to it so I could crawl out. I really couldn't see anything outside, but I figured once I crawled out those dudes from carp. We're going to start kicking my ass. Luckily for me when I came out and stood up they were long gone then I remembered my cousins. Where are they? Are they? Okay. I started to look around frantically. I couldn't see them anywhere in the car nearby. I started to trip out. Where did they go? So I started to look further away from the demolished Vehicle area and that's when I seen them. My cousin had been sitting to the left of me. I could see him in the distance laying there motionless. I ran as fast as I could to go check on him. The girl I've been with us was already there with her hands on him trying to provide some sort of comfort. She had had her seatbelt on the whole time and besides the mental and emotional toll the crash took on her. She is relatively. Okay, my cousin on the other hand was far from okay. He was still hanging out of the car when it tipped on his driver's side the force of it crushed his hips and the momentum of the car spinning launch him through the night air as I kneel down next to him. I forced myself to survey the damage inflicted upon him his Were bent and ways that didn't look human but instead like a scarecrow that had been flung from a rooftop onto the pavement. His face was covered in blood and he lost a good-sized chunk of his ear that was later recovered at the scene and sewed back on I was scared was he going to live? Where was my other cousin was he okay? And how much trouble was I going to be in? Then I heard my name being called from the bushes from a nearby park. I looked over and it was a friend who had been sitting to my right. He was motioning me to go over he started warning me that the cops would be coming and sure enough. I could start hearing the sirens in the distance. I stared down on my entered cousin who was an immense pain, but just lied there almost lifeless. How is terrified of being arrested but there was no way I was leaving my cousin there in the middle of the road helpless. The sirens came blaring to a halt right by us and much to our Fortune. It was an ambulance the paramedics Pride us away from him and started to get to work either. I didn't look too bad off or the EMTs took one. Look at the damage on my cousin and knew they didn't have time for anything else. I did my best to fade into the crowd of onlookers that was starting to form. And once I was sure my Primo is in good hands. How many my way to the bushes near the part I linked up with a friend and we use the cover of the night to make our way back to his house the plan was to lay low and recover but his family caught wind of what had happened and think got heated my parents were called and I was picked up being in their possession was no picnic either but they were more concerned with my well-being more than anything. I told them I found fine that I was okay, but they didn't care what the hell I said they were taking me to the hospital. The doctor had to pick and scrape out glass and asphalt from my lower back cleaning the road rash ruins, which I still have to this day tend to a few bumps and bruises. But besides that I was alkyd my older cousin ended up showing up at the hospital and apologize to his bro turns out his visit from placement wasn't exactly permission granted and he had been on the Run. He explained he had no idea his bro was injured and he figured we all had ran to safety the first day of high school arrived, and I hadn't done. Much game planning of what to do different this time around I felt as if I had been worn down over the past three years and was losing all hope for any type of social life outside. My family. There was a major issue with that though. My older cousin had since been arrested and on his way to see why a a my other cousin was now confined to a wheelchair and rarely left his house. I was down to now only playing one sport which was football. I played with lots of the guys throughout the years and why I fell and knew there wasn't going to be any deep friendships there. Plus. I've been playing football since I was 8, I became bored with it and after long back and forth discussions with my parents much to their disappointment we decided this would be my last year. I had a cousin from my mom's side of the family who was already going to s be high and was playing varsity football to help keep the story from getting confusing. We'll just say his name was hawal. He and I had grown up very close. We just went to different schools. Was and he was about two years older than I he and his friends were stars on the football team knowing I didn't have any friends in my own. He would invite me to come hang with his crew. I tried this out in the very beginning of the year, but they and I were never able to build any type of report. I felt they were in A League of Their Own. They were all built solid athletes and had serious relationships with their girls. I always felt like a tail going where they went listening while they spoke amongst each other. I wasn't adding any value to the right. The group and I knew whether I was there or not, it would make no difference to them. I felt like a follower. So I decided I'd rather roll solo than be a follower as stopped all efforts to be a part of their crew assholes. Mom. My Thea if I could go to her house during lunch break. It was only a couple blocks away. I told her I just wanted a place to eat whatever I brought for lunch and to kill time before I had to go back to class. She was all good with it, and I felt satisfied I no longer. Had to feel like a weirdo on display wandering around aimlessly during lunch break being a Freshman was going pretty smooth. I'd get to school go straight to all my classes attend football practice and then straight home. I was really beginning to get accustomed to my daily routine. It was like I got to go unnoticed again and get back to my people watching without being bothered. I didn't know exactly how or why it was so peaceful, but I was very self-conscious of keeping it that way one day before practice a few of us guys on the team. Team were throwing the ball around I ran a route and was thrown the ball. I made the catch and continue to run for the imaginary touchdown. When my Defender wrap my legs up from behind for the tackle. He happen to Trump my arms in his grasp around my legs as well. And when I hit the ground the left side of my face broke my fall it wasn't too painful but more of an odd feeling it was like the left side of my face fell asleep. It was none yet felt like a million ants were crawling all over I tried to Get off but my team is immediately pointed out that half my face was drooping and that any type of facial expressions. I would make only half my face would react to my parents took me to the doctors and I was diagnosed with facial palsy, which meant the nerves and one side of my face had suffered major trauma, and we're now severely damaged there was nothing that could be done to remedy it. They would have to heal on their own it could take months maybe years. I thought to myself. Well, this isn't good. It actually wasn't as bad as you would think being a loner that no one noticed actually helped a lot when it came to not being made fun of for this new condition of mine unless I made a facial expression. It was hard to tell anything was wrong with me. And since I didn't interact much with anyone it wasn't a huge deal. Usually the classroom would be the only place I would get caught up when the teacher would call on me and I would have to read or speak to the whole class. That's when the kids would point. Laughs knowing that any time a kid could stop me knowing that any kid could stop me on campus and start going in on me about my face had me on my toes and I put a lot more pep in my step when it came to getting to my theist house for lunch break one day on my way to the house. I ran into a family friend who was a year or two older than I our families had known each other for many years and we had even played in the same Football League. She was quite the Tomboy growing up. She asked where I was headed and she asked if it would be okay if she She joined me. I wasn't too Keen about the whole idea. She was messing with my program, but I didn't have the heart to say no. So on we went we ate our lunches and lounged around the time to start heading back was fast approaching. So we got our backpacks back on and was about to head out when my theory opened the door. She had come home from work to grab something from the house and to put it lightly was pretty upset with seeing that had taken upon myself to invite female company over she felt I had disrespected her and her home she Longer trusted or wanted me at her place and just like that. I no longer had a safe haven for the long lunch break. My freshman football season finally came to an end and my facial policy wasn't as severe yet evidence that I suffered from it is still visible to this day. I was stoked that the season was over and I no longer had to be committed to something that I dislike doing. What I wasn't prepared for though was the void in my life who would create and tease I would partake in to fill it knowing I didn't need to keep a certain grade point average or have to be in decent shape for sports led me to become careless with my marijuana and alcohol consumption. As soon as I got dropped off I would head for a secluded area and get high then I started teaching classes to go smoke. It didn't take much time at all for me to become a stoner being high seem to make me feel so good and I was able to enjoy my time alone ten times as much what it was really doing was making me care. Less and less about the outside world. I being a pothead became a paradox to me being a loner. It was attracting others donors to me. There was already an existing subculture of teens, who'd love to smoke and like me their main mission for each day was a get high before. I knew it. I had other kids who would seek me out not to get me clothes so they could treat me like crap but instead because they enjoyed my company they like chilling as smoking with me. Both guys and girls are little subculture was cool and all but I was starting to miss playing a sport something about practicing getting better and competing to put your skills to the test. I really missed. I knew I didn't want to play football basketball or baseball. Those were played out to me. Now. My dad had recently introduced us to golf. He never played before either it was random but it was fun. I remember all the looks we would get out there on the course in our street clothes to my surprise. I found out that the school had a team had no idea how a golf team would work from I knew golf was a one-man sport, but I didn't care. I knew I liked it and figured I would enjoy the process of improving my game. I went to the office and set an appointment to speak to the golf coach while I sat and waited. I thought of how impressed you would be with how much I knew of the game. I knew I didn't look like your everyday golfer, but I was willing to learn how to dress the part the appointment didn't last very long. I remember getting the feeling instantly that I wasn't wanted on the team. He told me they had no more room on the team and stood some other sports that were in season so much for my ambitions of becoming a great golfer sports are no Sports. I was getting by okay by this time. I had traded all my college prep and advanced courses for General Ed. I was ditching a lot. But when I did decide to go to class I wanted them to be as easy as possible. How is now spending my lunch with whoever else had blood to share at random smoking spots around the high school. Other than that, I was so low one day. I was strolling through the main hallway making my way to class. It was crowded as usual. So I was navigating my way through paying little attention to who I was passing by. I was utterly shocked when a senior built like a linebacker snatch me up by my neck with both his hands and lifted me off the ground. He shook me violently my feet dangle down the are helplessly in my face felt like it was burning red. I'm not sure if he had planned to do this or he just seen a week looking kid walking by himself and took it as an opportunity to show off to his group of friends. Who Were standing there watching he simply called me fresh me. And then threw me back down in the same direction had been walking my feet hit the ground stumbling. I kept walking forward at a high Pace frightened to look back tears were rolling down my face. I raise my own hands to my throat in an attempt to provide myself some comfort as I work to calm myself down and catch my breath after I was out of the general area that all too familiar feeling of loneliness said in And worse that disgusting feeling of being a coward. Something changed in me that day being choked like that with hundreds of other kids around was traumatic no doubt, but I believed it was that event plus all the others leading up to it. That finally made me snap from that moment. I stopped caring about anybody else's feelings. I figured I wasn't important enough for anybody to make effort to build friendships with me and at the worst times when bad things would happen to me. I didn't even get a hey leave them alone, or are you okay? My thought process at this time was fuck the world. The ball of change has started rolling. I would continue to evolve rapidly during lunch. I would go post up at Circle K where all the trouble makers would be before when I would hear that a fight was going to happen. All the other kids would be getting hike to go watch not me. I would immediately head the opposite direction. I always had this phobia that if I went to go watch a fight someone in the crowd were turn on me and push. You to the center of everyone's attention only to take an ass-whooping myself. Now I didn't care. I wanted it to happen. Someone could call me out a group could jump me or whatever. It was like my tolerance for being a coward was a tall glass cup and since junior high it had been getting poured into steadily filling up drop by drop along with a few long pores. I'm not sure how much room was left when I allowed myself to get choked like that with no repercussions. But that event made the glass overflow tip over and shatter into a million pieces. I started meeting some new guys from the East side and was also getting closer to a few of the crazies. I was introduced to from when I would go out and party with my older cousins. I ended up losing all the interest in school. If I did decide to go back to class after getting high all lunchtime long. I would take a 44 ounce soda cup filled with Budweiser or a bottle of Bacardi 151 hidden in my pocket. I was getting more and more attracted to the lifestyle I was around so I wanted more asks another youngster who's a little older than me, but still in my same gray if it was cool. If I stroll with him and his crew after school. I knew they all backed up and live deep on the east side. I was pumped to start kicking it for the sake of the story will call the guy as Casanova because he always had Girls He was all about me joining the squad. So I started hanging with them pretty tough one night. We were kicking it at an apartment complex. Complex where one of the guys in our group lived we'll just call him pops. We had been drinking and smoking heavily as usual. They started talking about a guy who lived next door to Pops. He was our age or a little older. They said he was an asshole and we're talking about how he thought he was such a badass because he worshiped the devil. I was still very new to the group. So I didn't know who they were talking about. They must have really hated him though because they started talking about how they should just jump them to this day. I still don't know. Know if they really meant it or not. But I suggested we do it that night. I told them I would get it started and that they should jump in after they asked me if I was serious and without hesitation. I replied. Yes. I'm sure me being drunk and high had a lot to do with me practicing my newfound courage, but I'm sure if I was sober I would have acted the same. I was desperate to prove to myself. I wasn't going to be a coward anymore. It didn't take much to make them believe I was serious and before I knew it. Pop's was joyfully knocking out his neighbor's door. He asked whoever answered the door for the kid. We were looking for the kid came to the door and Pops told him something along the lines of that. I had a problem with them and I wanted to fight him right now. He may have also thrown in there that I said fuck the devil. I'm not exactly sure but the kid was fired up. This guy had some size on them. Now. I made a lot of sense why they wanted to jump him dude with solid his apartment emptied out with his family and Pomp's family empty out of if I was going to have a good size audience for my first fight we squared up on each other and he started pumping his body and grunting and then a valuable lesson was ingrained in me. Never wait be the first to start throwing blows. He took off on me and he was Landing some good ones along with pushing me back with all his body weight. I managed to catch my footing and regain some composure. I landed a few back myself and got a forceful shove in that sent him peddling back far. My eyes lit up and I seen my chances are dominating the fight around full speed to take full advantage of the moment. When one of his family members didn't like what they saw and kicked my foot as I ran by her. It was so unexpected that I lost all my footing in my hands flew back my four head hit the floor first. Then the corner of my eye Brow, then the part of my face between my side burn and my cheek. Luckily. This wasn't like my football fall where I landed flat on my face this time my face kind. Just skidded across the asphalt ever so gracefully with enough Force to keep my balance and allowed me to regain my footing and stride. I crash right back into him and we started letting them fly. Once again winds up getting broken up shortly after his family pulled him back into his apartment and Pops family took me back into his his mom and his sister in the bathroom doing their best to try and stop all the blood flowing out of my face. I could see a line out of the bathroom with people all trying to get a glimpse of me all the it's from the alcohol and we'd I had consumed earlier had been replaced by pure adrenaline as soon as the fight popped off. But now as I was being cleaned up, I was being looked upon by my boys and Pops family. I felt a different kind of intoxication the hick on pretty late. So I thank the family for taking care of me and got on my way one of my friends from the group happened to live on the west side. So we offered to give me a ride home. We walked a good distance to one of his family members house and they gave us a ride. I knew if I went home I would have a lot of explaining to do not to mention a possible trip to the ER but I was exhausted. I wanted to go to sleep. I asked to be dropped off at my heels house who I was very open and close to I knew he would be concerned about my face, but he would believe that I felt terrific. I knocked on his door. He opened up. He looked at my face as what the hell happened to you. I gave him a big grin and walked in I became obsessed with You can with the homies. I did whatever necessary to make my way to the east side. I would hit the streets and kick it with whoever I ran into. I was welcomed by everyone and the more I kicked it the bigger my circle got I started being drawn to the crazies as time went on. I still had mad love for my original group and spent lots of time with them, but they weren't really on the same program as the dudes from The Crazies. So we never really kicked it all at the same time. I became extremely enticed by how the gang operating Dated all the talk of who is good who was no good who had to be handled and the way we party it was like they own the East Side. That's how they acted. Anyways, and I fell in love with their confidence. I've been kicking it for a year now and had since been expelled from high school early my sophomore year. I bounced around from the Cuesta home school and a few others one Friday after I was finished with whatever school I went to at the time. I shot out to the east side. Hey, homie, just a little Younger than I had just got out from why we were celebrating his release at another homies house on in the oh Myrtle Street a few of us were chilling in the front yard when a car pulled up and out came one of our older home boys. He told the homie that just got out along with me. And another that we were to go meet him at a spot. He told us we were getting jumped in out of the five of us that were in the front yard to had already been jumped in they were to go as well to help initiate us we met at a local Large grass lot behind some apartment complexes on Selena Street. We knew the place. Wow, if you guys from the neighborhood live there the older homie that told us to go plus the two that had been with us in the front yards did they're ready on the grass. They told the whole me that just got out to step down first. I would have rather gotten it over with first, but at least I got to see what lay ahead of me. They gave it to him for a good amount of time and when it was done, they shook down and welcome him to the crazies the kid who had just got jumped. In was told to stay and help out with the next round as soon as they were done with the congratulations and looked over I step down on approach them without words. This started finding my face. I did my best to keep my eyes open so I could see where I was punching but it didn't help much for every shot. I would land 4 or 5 would land on me the hits were solid but I was staying on my two feet one of the guys abandoned throwing hands and started going for the takedown hinted up getting me to my hands and knees which set me up nice for it's to the ribs at this point. My only focus was to get back up and keep inflicting any damage I could but it wasn't happening. He just kept taking me down. Then it came to an abrupt stop. It was over. I made it through they helped me up and welcomed me in now. I was official. My story you just heard is a perfect example of why we created solid foundation. You heard him my story countless times of how I just wanted to belong and could have used some sort of companionship as a teen. I fell out of place and didn't have the skills or know how to make my situation any better. We want to create a community that no matter their background or what they have been through 18 will know we are here to support them. I hope my story serves as awareness to parents that our children's innocence and happiness maybe being chipped away. And that no matter how well we raised them and showered them with love there will come a time in their life where we will have to compete to hold influence over them. We will be competing against their peers music movies social media drugs gangs and their intimate relationship. Let's face it other than Sports. There isn't a whole lot of options out there for teens and if we are lucky enough for our kids to find something they are passionate about it's expensive as hell. That's why my team and I are working hard to bring the community together to offer more productive activities for teens. And for all the teams who just heard this, please understand that my story is not meant in any way to glorify drugs gangs or set. I relied on drinking and smoking to numb me instead of deal with my problems. I joined a game because I was weak minded and thought I needed them for protection. I wasn't educated enough insects and was a father by 17. You see you just heard the very beginning of my story if I would have continued you would hear how being a pothead and alcoholic put me back in life along with all the times. I had to been arrested because of it you would How no one in my gang actually cared for me, but instead only cared about what I could do for them not to mention how their confidence was all a facade some of the hardest dudes in the game would end up telling on their own homes to save himself and some are even dope fiends. Another important thing to know is that me fighting wasn't what gave me my confidence. You heard it in the beginning of the story my mother and father instilled that heart and me to fight as a child. It was facing my fear that gave me my confidence and open up a whole new world for me solid. Station offers programs and fitness work ethic family values and martial arts because it was those activities that help my partners and I create a solid foundation of confidence. 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     As far back as I can remember my mother made it a point to be home with us and put her heart and soul into raising not only her children, but also many cousins around my age. Our days were filled with trips to the park and hours upon hours at the beach. Another way we learned to enjoy ourselves was when my mom would have us put on the gloves to box each other or go at it wrestling. Inevitably someone would start crying, but we we’re never to quit and when all said and done we shook hands and went on playing. Another great memory is my dad coming home from work and somehow always finding the energy to play with me, it just so happens one of my favorite things to play with him was to fight. This was especially enjoyable because unlike fighting my older cousins in the front yard, in these fights I somehow came up on top every time or at least that’s what he lead me to believe, but either way it did wonders for my confidence. I must say, I was absolutely lucky to have such loving parents and very fortunate to have the childhood I did. Now after hearing what I just shared about my childhood, it would be pretty hard to believe that for some mysterious reason as I hit puberty and became a teenager that I would consider the very parents that showed me so much love and support, now my enemies. Also for reasons I couldn’t understand, I became absolutely terrified of fighting which lead to me not sticking up for myself, which lead me to be seen as weak and therefore picked on regularly. I often self reflect on the choices I made as a teenager and all the bad things I put my parents through and I can remember even back than having a sense of guilt of why I felt and acted the way I did coming from such a loving home. I would see others around me who had it real bad at home, but in my young mind that didn’t make me feel better, it actually lead me to feel even worse about myself. After battling with all these negative thoughts day in and day out, it was only a matter of time before I just decided to stop feeling any type of emotions at all. I’m sharing all this with you to spread awareness that our youth, no matter their background can fall victim to all the evil things this world has to offer. Good parenting is a solid foundation no doubt, with that being said, it’s only natural to start to rebel against our parents or any childhood authority figures for that matter as we become teens. It’s my belief that at this time that we also need something else we can be a part of, to be heard and seen by others. Other peers we can contribute to and gain significance from. Some may find it in a positive form like school, sports or a job, others may follow a more negative path and turn to drugs, unhealthy relationships or breaking the law. The following is my story and how I went from a Honor Student to Gang Member…

Well, hello everybody and welcome to friends of the force. I am your host Brad Whipple and today on the show. We have a very special guest appropriately because we will be talking. Talking about the music of John Williams and the importance of his contributions to the Star Wars Universe. We are joined by composer Christy Kuru Kirstie. How's it going today? Hi going very well. Thank you so much for having me very happy and honored to have you on the show and thank you for your time. And we are recording here these Sunday before Thanksgiving. So it is a week full of many. Joyful events with family to come and just a lot of excitement is in the air and troughs. We are finally under a month left. Until the rise of Skywalker hits theaters, right? I have to look at my countdown and see what the official not that any of us are coming 24 days. Wow. Oh man. We are we are closing in and what we really want to do here at Friends of the force is cover the music of John Williams and really kind of send a love letter almost to his contributions and talk about why the music of Star Wars is as much of importance as anything else like directing and acting and story and mythology all those things. Because it is an entire package and without part of that package. It doesn't really work as a whole. I think and John Williams being one of the most legendary composers of all time, you know a career that spans five decades with five Academy Awards 50 Oscar nominations. He's the most nominated living person and second most nominated person in the history of the Oscars and he recently was nominated for the force awakens and his career began in 1948, which is crazy to think about it, son. He moved to Los Angeles and he was in the Air Force and went to Juilliard school and he worked at nightclubs and on recordings and became a studio musician. Yeah, and he just did so much and he started composing at the end of the 50s and I believe how to steal a million was one of his first which was a comedy with Audrey Hepburn. So his career is very tenured and how lucky we are to have his music with in the Star Wars universe and still to this day having such an impact. So before we get started Christie, could you give our listeners introduction to yourself and kind of why you're on this episode specifically sure. So I've been a Star Wars fan since I was 6 years old. So that's even before I even started studying music which I started about two years after that and hearing the music for Star Wars was what really kind of jump-started me into wanting to do film music. I've actually known since that age that that's what I wanted to do. It took me a little longer to understand that it's actually a job that people can study and learn how to You and then go do and for the longest time. I didn't realize that women did it all of my favorite composers were men and that didn't really mean anything to me until I was a teenager and I saw Rachel Portman win an Oscar and then it kind of clicked like oh like that's something like I could do this. I could actually do it instead of just loving this. Like I was a piano player and I was writing little pieces as a kid and stuff. So I ended up going on to study music in college and then I went for grad school to study film scoring and moved out to LA. Shortly afterward and my Star Wars fandom has been a huge part of my life that entire time, you know, I was there opening night for all the release of the special editions and then for the prequels and so far every one of the sequels and a couple of years ago. I kind of started getting into the fandom in a new way, which was through YouTube and Tumblr and the rail. Oh Phantom, of course and I started meeting people who wanted me to come on. Podcasts and talk about the music and I started a Blog where I was writing music metas about I started with the sequel Trilogy and ended up going on into the original trilogy and the prequels and my fandom just kind of came back to life in this really huge way after seeing the force awakens. Not that it ever left me, but it really like in that time period in between the original trilogy in the prequels. I don't really play video games or read Comics. So all I had was the movies on VHS and the extended universe You know what's called Legends now. I read every single one of those books until they were dog-eared in the covers falling, you know, I had my little action figures and stuff, but it's really the sequel Trilogy has created this new side of the fandom that I hadn't experienced before with all of these different creators from so many different backgrounds coming together to make podcasts and meta and art and music and all of the stuff and I kind of just got wrapped up in the in the excitement. That and in getting to share ideas with all these different people that I had never interacted with before so it's been really really wonderful and yeah, I am a film music composer out here in Hollywood. I've been working here for 13 years and some of the things that I've arranged music for written additional music for you'd probably recognize but a lot of my work as a composer is on independent film that a lot of people probably haven't seen but you know, I just putting one foot in front of the other and working my way up and I Had a pretty amazing past two years in that I got to do the Sundance Film music lab in 2018. So got to go up to Skywalker Ranch and stay there for today. That is amazing. Wow, amazing. And then this year I got to do the ASCAP film scoring Workshop, which meant that I was on the fox Newman scoring stage and nighttime when previously the musicians that were playing my scene for that recording session earlier that day they had been recording on the rise of Skywalker the same Wow, it was pretty amazing. And I actually saw, you know, some people some players that I knew from just other things that I'd worked on or other sessions. I'd been too and they know what a big John Williams fan. I am and so they were just, you know, obviously they can't say anything about it. But when I asked right, how is your past week been there just shaking their head in disbelief of you know, we get to do this we get to play on his Ninth Symphony. We get to close out this incredible unprecedented. Chapter in the history of film music and film in general and I saw some photos from the other night, which was the last official thing that they will ever read. John Williams will ever record from Star Wars. One of the increases did some pictures and you know, they've got champagne they've got cake and the look on John Williams is face is just you know, you can tell he's excited he's tired but it's mostly just you can see gratitude on his face that he is the person who got to record this entire right Andre. The music for this entire Saga spanning this 40-year period That's become so beloved to so many people worldwide. It's really truly one-of-a-kind and so special that we have him still. Yeah, and this episode comes at a perfect time. I'm glad you brought that up in terms of this was the final a couple days ago is the final piece of music. He'll ever record for Star Wars and I just appreciate how much of a John Williams fan you are and I'm just so happy to have you on the show with based on your background how passionate you are for for music composition because I Don't think I would you know want to talk about with anybody else because that's I mean you really know the ins and outs and you're definitely working very hard. It's great to see you even helping a lot of us in the the podcasting Community like what the force and and scavengers horror, you know writing their their theme songs for those podcasts which are great. So I'm super excited to talk about, you know, the impact of John Williams and Star Wars music and just really gush about why the stuff hits so close to home for us. So in terms of when you know, John Williams first got involved in Star Wars, he was actually recommended By Spielberg because he had worked on Jaws with Spielberg and at that time, you know popular music in the 60s and 70s were very much about jazz. And that was kind of the rage and Gary Kurtz who was the producer on the Star Wars films. He really wanted something that was more we called very it was very important to be a traditional romantic score and I think that really hits home as to why John Williams is music is so good and Star Wars It's because it's not it's not technically which is there something wrong with that but at least four stars, Wars which is a space drama, it's fantasy. I think a romantic score really fits well to hit home on a lot of the story beats and mythologies that were getting exposed to he talked about at least when he was scoring The Empire Strikes Back and I was watching this documentary from 1980 called Star Wars music by John Williams, and it was narrated by Antony hoarder. He said, you know, sometimes it comes very quickly and as an ice floe other times, I hold my head in my hand and think is it ever going to come and I think that's kind of insight into the struggles of Hosing and it's kind of like a writer's block, but it's so much. It's so much different having him direct those the music and the original trilogy. I mean what why when we sat in that theater and 1977 and the words the opening crawl popped on the screen, like why was it the music itself that really had as much of an impact as anything else. We were watching. Well, it's like you said, you know, this style of film music had really fallen out of fashion at that point the old school corn boiled corn gold or Steiner style of writing these big Epic. Romantic film scores with late motifs like Vagner and other influences from classical music because if you listen to his music, especially for Star Wars, there isn't so many influences on it from other types of film music. It's all classical music. So when I was doing that Workshop this summer, we were having our orchestration lessons with the great composer Bruce Broughton. He did the music for Tombstone and for all these other incredible like westerns and amazing films from the 80s and 90s. And he was breaking down like he would always use John Williams as an example breaking down how these different pieces of classical music and really influenced him. And a lot of the temp for Star Wars came from Gustav holst's the planets and you think there's a lot of videos that you know compare and contrast how John Williams took the inspiration from that tent and made it his own so audiences were sitting down to watch this film. And of course, there were all sorts of new filmmaking techniques being utilized. Ultimately. It's a western, right? A fantasy it's all of these elements of from our American culture in our American fantasy. And the way the stories that we've always been attracted to paired with this score that felt very Lush romantic and classical using these late motifs for different characters and situations and calling on traditions of classical music and just music that is extended back to when we originally started getting polyphonic music from Gregorian chants. So for example in the moment where Luke accepts the Call to his hero's journey when he goes back to his aunt and uncle's home and he sees that the Empire has already been there. And there's just these burnt out skeletons lying there as the force theme swells. We also hear the dese re in the background. That is the traditional chant that accompanied any sort of reference for death in our original culture of these monks and polyphonic music and it's been used over and over again in the history of film music to always represent these moments of death. Struction, it's woven in there along with the forcing which is one of the most iconic themes that he ever wrote. There's little touches like this here and there throughout the entire 40 years 9 soon to be nine film Saga that he created where you can see that Not only was he being influenced by the styles of these early film scores in the action-adventure kind of swashbuckling feel of them. He's also being heavily influenced by the classical composers that he studied and as you mentioned he went to Juilliard, I mean his chops and Is training and education or unparalleled so he is truly truly thinking on so many different layers and levels and we realized that really hit audiences right in their hearts as they heard these late motifs and started associating them with these characters that we've all grown to know and love so much for me. John Williams was like the first time I really learned that music can be the dialogue alone. I mean if you take all of the spoken lines out of Star Wars and you just leave that music in there you will still Gets what the movie is about without even hearing a single lick of dialogue, you know, and I think that's unique to this franchise in particular. I'm not sure many movies out there can truly do that. I mean I could think maybe like Howard Shore can do it with the Lord of the Rings. Yeah, because like, I mean that's like the only other thing I could even think of as a comparison to just pure genius on the part of a composer and you know, John Williams and this documentary he really said it was about supporting your creating the emotional atmosphere of the Film so for example, this documentary was about The Empire Strikes Back and he at they're spotting session where which is where you plan where music is needed that sort of thing. They were working on the carbon chamber scene and they called him Johnny onset and around the behind-the-scenes. I thought Solaria so it's just such a funny way call him that and he calls everybody baby. So if he was talking to you, he'd be like Bradley baby. That's how he talks to you. So you're telling me I'm Adam Driver showed up to a scoring session. He would say Driver baby, that would be uttered. He probably just say Adam baby. Yes. I'm sure and I'm sure Daisy at some point because he loves Daisy Daisy that's amazing. Well this so there is saying Irvin Kershner who was the director of The Empire Strikes Back. He said Johnny is quite Adept at finding the point of view for a scene in augmenting the emotion that's they're maintaining a long piece of music and getting all the variations without making it a Mickey Mouse where you can accent every little bump and every little crash and he says, you know, the music is the Log, and that particular scene the two people are an open conflict, but the music says what you're seeing is maybe conflict but I think they're falling in love and I thought that was really really great because again, if you take the dialogue out with a dialogue is indicating that there is conflict but the music is telling you something opposite telling you the true underlying narrative. That's that's happening in that scene. So and I think the force theme that you bring up on the you know, when he goes home and he sees his aunt and uncle burning that's the same exact composition that plays when A takes the lightsaber so it's almost like that hero's journey. It's when they fully embrace the call to action, you know, exactly that's when she accepts it. So it's the same piece that happens in both places and you know that whole idea of scoring what the audience can't see that is something that I learned in my film music training of score at you don't necessarily need to score the moment that the person's expression changes or the moment that there's a flicker in their eyes or the moment that their body turns your actually scoring the moment before for that when they make their internal decision and that's something that John Williams is really amazing at and he always is bringing something to it that you're not even aware of he's guiding and leading your emotions. He's guiding you through the scene and he's taking you on this journey and you know when you think about the one place in The Last Jedi were he and Ryan disagreed was of course the hand touch scene where John Williams had originally written something more ominous and more threatening and menacing because Obviously the character of Ray is John Williams is favorite character from the sequel Trilogy and he loves Daisy loves her performance. And so you can hear it in the race theme that he wrote which for a lot of people is their favorite new theme from the sequel Trilogy and one of their favorite things. He's ever written myself included and so agree with that. Yeah, he's seeing kylo still kind of as a threat to Ray. He's seeing still that this is something that we're not sure about but Ryan is saying no we've been through all of this progression for them through their four spawns and he's kind they're just sitting in front of each other right now completely vulnerable and they're reaching out and we need to believe his direct quote as we needed to believe in the romance, right? So that's why John Williams went in and changed that and said, okay. I see what you're saying made it so that it's much more questioning and unsure in them when their hands actually touch the force theme does swell. It's not any sort of reloj Love Theme yet, which I believe we're getting in 24 days. For steam because the force actually has a role in active role to play in all of the movies and especially in The Last Jedi. One of the biggest criticisms people have of that score is oh we hear the force theme too often and I don't think that that's a criticism. I believe that the force theme is actually commenting on the action and when you're hearing it, it's because even if it's on a person who doesn't have for sensitivity like quite often, we hear it underlying the speeches of people who aren't Jedi and don't have Force sensitivity. It's because the force is saying yes, this person needs to be on this journey. This person needs to have this happen. This is who were believing we want the resistance to win and the force wants their hands to connect the force wants them to come into balance because that's the only way that the force will be balanced in the Galaxy will be saved. So it's little touches like that. It's a little ways that we can take why the choices were made at these certain moments and understand the depth of understanding their and to think that that was the only thing that Ryan and John needed Change out of that entire long Masterpiece of a movie. I mean, that's incredible. I got to say I don't understand the criticism too much of too much force theme because that is such a beautiful theme. I'm like I can watch two straight hours of just the force theme and I'd be like, my heart would be swelling the entire time. I'd be like, oh, this is beautiful and there's a reason there's a thought out real for everything and yeah, I to me the Last Jedi is my favorite score that he's ever done. And yes, I still good. I am including the prequels and this a lot of people really love the prequels. Because there's so many huge bombastic moments and there's you know Duel of the Fates and there's the 500-piece master Corral and there's all this like really amazing stuff. There's Battle of the heroes. There's a cross the Stars there's all of this amazing material to work with but for me, he is at the height of his powers right now. He is at the height of his craft right now. I'm sure the rise of Skywalker were Take the Last Jedi his place as my favorite. He's had all that time in between the prequels and now to just get better and better and what Doing in The Last Jedi is so subtle and so layered and you can take every scene and dig into it. I've written quite long meta about several scenes within the movie and I'm working my way through every single scene talking about it because there's that I could devote the next year of my life to just breaking down every scene like listening to the score only version and talking about why it's so ingenious. So to me it really is the best that we've ever gotten from him because he's just at the peak of his powers now. Yeah, and he is truly giving Hang it at all. He is truly giving it his all as a final send-off to this thing that he's started 40 some years ago, you know and the fact that when these seagulls were announced and he was and he unveiled that he would be returning that was like a huge weight off of all Star Wars fans shoulders, you know, not that anybody else can't pick up the mantle because I think Michael giacchino, I think that is one of the most underrated Star Wars scores ever. I think that Rogue one is probably my one of my favorites. I don't personally for me. I know some people don't like it but John Powell, I think did a pretty good job was so low and even you know, John Williams worked a little bit with him and we're seeing now Ludwig goren said we see Ludwig gourds and is working pretty well on the the Mandalorian doing some great music there. So yeah. Yeah, it's there's just so much happening in the sequel Trilogy and let's talk a little bit about those two particular themes that I'm a very fond of is there a theme and the kylo theme those are the the central points of this Trilogy and I've heard them so much repeating over and over and over in different variations. And especially Kyla's theme Bend emption. It's happening. You know, I think we'll hear some sort of Bend emption theme and this in this new movie and get like a Ben solo theme. That's like my biggest. Hope for what's to come me too me too and not a lot of a lot of people have theorized that you know at the end of the first trailer we do here the DS array that I mentioned to you before but we hear it in a lydian major key. And that first interval Dada you could take that and go duh, duh, duh and here kylos bad guy Fein. So a lot of people heard that DSC right at the end of that trailer and went wait. Was that kylo steam in a major key. Was that a bent? And I you know, we immediately jumped onto Twitter Franklin and who is the world's foremost John Williams and Star Wars music Saga like encyclopedia. He is at Tufts. He's a full-time music theory Professor he knows Everything about Star Wars music and he was very quick to jump on and David Collins and a couple other music people and say no it wasn't his team. But I do believe that it is completely intentional that they did it that way to make you think about kylos theme and then have it resolved in this incredibly beautiful triumphant way. I believe that's a huge clue for Bend emption. So there's all kinds of Clues already hidden inside of both of their themes and of course kylo has to technically three themes and Ray has one. Broken up into three different parts. And so the way that those different things in different parts of the themes are used and the way that they are transformed and all of these different iterations and what we potentially could see in their eyes of Skywalker with what we know about the dark ray vision. Is that a vision is that real with Bend emption with the reloj theme? How is it how are these going to come together? Is it going to be something completely new or is it going to be a blend of parts of their themes but there's we don't know like there's no real way. Way of predicting the things that we do know are that there seems are very cleverly intertwined with similarities and it's also very cleverly intertwined with across the Stars. Yeah. So because the story of reloj is reverse on Iguodala, we do see parts of their themes being the reverse of parts of across the stars and and you know of talked about this on what the force and scavenger stored in a couple of their podcast and it's there's some amazing metas that we could link to your list. So they can read more about it, but it's all connected. It's all really well-thought-out. And so that's why I'm really excited to see what direction he ends up going in for a Bend emption theme for a reloj love theme and a lot of people think that the reloj love scene might just end up being the force theme a lot of people really do think that he might just keep that through line from the hand touch. However, I personally do not think that he can let John Powell have the last say on love themes because solo with lat And those closet and that amazing love theme for Hannah. Yeah, I think John's Williams is like okay nice job young and hold my beer. I cook. I think he's gonna come through with one more really incredible love for you to join Han Solo in The Princess and across the Stars. Yes, I would have completely hurt that I think he's really going to pack a punch with us and we've heard what two hours and 13 minutes of what he's recorded so far which and the music world. That's a lot, you know, the movies going to have it's Quiet Moments and I think that the overall film I think Two and a half hours that leaves about 20 minutes on scored. That's a lot of music that is a ton of of music to be scoring for this film treat. Oh my God, it's yeah when he first came back to the sequel Trilogy, they interviewed him and you know, he said when he was coming back to the force awakens. He said, you know, I've been able to use earlier material and develop new material that would coexist with it. So it fits back to again him making sure that the old stuff is feeling like a fabric of this of these new films and on raise theme. He said, you know, her theme has a musical grim. Her that is not heroic in the sense of a hero's theme. It's kind of an Adventure theme that maybe promises more than resolving itself in the most major triumphant resolutions. And he says he feels a lot of empathy for that girl. And then with with kylo, he says he approached it as an extension of Darth Vader in a way and he didn't want to get too close to it. But if you could convey in a shoot a few short notes like The Imperial March does this evil power strength and threat it needs to be something that you will that will hit you as accessible right away and the Fact that he really talks so strongly about those two themes to goes to show these are really two the two Central figures of this of this Trilogy. And Race theme is just so beautiful. It's full of so much adventure and mystery and and curiosity and Discovery and I think that's why when we first see her on screen and we don't know who it is quite at first but we just hear the slightest notes of kind of this hints of something something new and something undiscovered. I think that's really really hit a lot of people we were introduced to her. Yeah, and I love this quote where you know, he says that when he came back, he felt A Renewed Energy and a vitality and a freshness. He was really excited to dig back into this and to take the texture and the fabric of what George Lucas created but seeing how JJ Abrams was bringing it back to life for this new generation of fans and characters. Like, you know, I'm eventually going to show my kids Star Wars and release order but they've grown Up with you know, oh go pick out some cereal at Target. Oh might just today my son grabbed the box of cereal because it had a real on the front and he went to sleep last night in his kylo Ren pajamas, you know, they've really had these characters kind of immersed in their world of when we go to galaxies Edge. I'm sure that those are the characters that they're going to want to meet the most and when he talked about kylos theme here saying that there's a more ruminative part that's usually done softly. That's his, you know conflict theme. He said I don't think it portrays any Our weakness but possibly hesitancy. Like here we are done Williams giving us all the clues to Kyle has character that he's never been fully committed to being this evil badass that people write to be for so long and then his other bad guy Motif that's often strong. And that seems to be the embodiment of evil that he wanted it to be a relative to the Darth Vader theme but also something entirely different and yes, you really did achieve that so many times we hear - kind Play on a motif like that. It's kind of like a general Darkside motif. A lot of people tweeted me a couple months ago saying. Oh my God, have you seen this moment in The Phantom Menace where padme's ship is landing on Tatooine for the first time and we totally Here kylo theme and you go back and listen to it. And of course it is reminiscent of it, but that's an example of what me and Marie Claire have started calling the sandbox. Star Wars music like these different composers such as ludvig such as John Powell who gets to play in the sandbox of different harmonies and tonality and textures that John Williams created. So I very really strongly doubt that John Williams ever intended to link. Kylo seen to this. Random Moment In The Phantom Menace one Padme is right and you know, there's so many times you can go back and say that because in the beginning they didn't even know there was going to be a second film. So of course when When Darth Vader kills Obi-Wan and Luke says no you here Princess Leia's theme that's not for any particular reason. That's because it's a this amazing heart-wrenching big leap of the melody and it's beautifully orchestrated and he felt it was right in the moment. So not everything is hyper connected and therefore even super detailed but you know a lot of it really is so I think that everybody in our analysis there's some things that we can take and say, you know, I really think that This means something in this is connected and maybe it turns out to be true or not. Whether it's true or not. This is something that Felicia dub ski, she's known on Tumblr Israel musings and she's one of the OG like sequel Trilogy and analysts musically. She does this take on it where it says. It doesn't actually end up taking away from my enjoyment of analyzing it in this way. If it turns out to be not true not linked if the composer didn't intend that I agree with that and I also think it's really cool when it does turn out to be accurate. So, right I think that's the best part of like, you know that the iterative storytelling of Star Wars as you can watch new stuff and then go back to the old stuff what like you said whether or not it is intentional to find those moments where you're like, okay, here's something that maybe subconsciously John Williams is feeling about these characters 20 years ago. And now he's kind of getting that tickle again in his mind where he's like, okay, this is how I feel about this specific characters. That's why I'm going to write the music this particular way and then it unintentionally ends up mirroring something that came before or something sounds. Very similar. And in this case, it kind of makes sense because that ship landing on Tatooine. I mean now she is there Anakin is there, you know, there's still a huge gigantic age difference between them at this point, but now the two people who are kind of going to set off this terrible chain of events now, they're actually going to meet so that foreboding feeling and that Motif that is ends up being linked to kylos Motif that does actually make perfect sense in the Star Wars sandbox. So he's showing you is Han Solo blaster. Do you know which Han Solo's theme is great by the way, just saying. Yeah, one of the best really really happy that that John Williams and John Powell work together on that and that we got to hear that theme and yes, everything their relationship and partnership just seems so beautiful and it actually saw Powell tweeted the other day that he's he was in a scoring session for a movie. I believe it's called Call of the Wild and John Williams stopped by wearing his trademark black turtleneck. Oh my gosh my to see how John's recording session was going. They've obviously stayed close friends. And yes, and I got to meet Powell also as part of the workshop that I did this year. Oh, that's great an afternoon in his Studio. This is you know, for a lot of these meetings that we had with the big composers were not actually allowed to relay what we sat and talked about because they were thankfully very Frank and open with us and really gave us a lot of insight into their working lives. But everything that he had to say about the experience of working with John Williams was just you know, anything that any of us would say About getting to work with someone like that and right Revere so much he was so grateful and so happy and had obviously gained so much from The Experience. Yeah and speaking more to and just like the power of music and and why again, I don't I truly don't think Star Wars would be the same without Williams's score. He set the precedent and I think it invaded Our Lives because of it obviously moving forward we won't have him anymore. So there's going to be a lot more people filling those roles whether it's maybe a John Powell again, or maybe Kevin kiner gets to step up and do Live-action stuff maybe Gordy hob gets to come in from the video games. Yeah. So there's a lot of good stuff that could happen. And I think he really set the bar of Where Stars music needs to be and he was at an academy event back in 2014. Again, this is before the force awakens comes out and the event was called behind the score the art of the film composer and this was moderated by Tavis Smiley and John said, you know music is words that can't be spoken unites entire people's entire religions its power. Is really great. I don't think any of us fully understand how it truly works and he talked a lot about how you know, there's universalities and language how some languages sound similar to others or have similar tones and inflections music is very much the same there are tremendous universalities and language as he says and he Compares it to sculpting where you have a stone and you keep taking chunks out of that stone the figure out what's underneath and you might not know what you're going to find. So going back to earlier how you know, he can sit there and have that sort of music. Composers block where he doesn't know what he's going to find by watching these films and scoring them, but eventually he gets to something that can speak to so many different cultures and religions and people around the world which is why I think Star Wars is so revered and accepted into our world. And what do you what do you think of a quote like that in terms of like there are universities and music and it can it can speak to so many different yet societies. I love that quote so much and you know obviously is writing in a very Western tonality. Why he is writing in a very classical romantic film music language. So I think that the key to why it resonates is because the overall story of Star Wars and the mythology is a human story. It doesn't belong to any one culture. Every single culture worldwide has the Adolescent becoming an adult has the hero's journey has people going through these experiences has War has family has Pain and marriage and love going wrong and love not being able to save someone when you thought it could so his music even though he is writing from a very specific tradition because he is so Adept at tapping into the emotional layers and bringing those and heightening them. He has been able to cross the boundaries of language and culture and generationally keep everybody so invested in the story through the use of late motif, And being able to associate a theme with a character a theme with a situation a type of instrumentation with a location. He really has such a deep understanding of the story that everything that he's written for it enhances it and has everybody listen and view it through the lens of their own upbringing and everything that they've been through everything that they've experienced. I think that it is I can't think of anybody who does it as well as he does even when he's scoring process. Checks that aren't Star Wars when he's moved on to one of my absolute favorite scores that he's done kind of in recent years is for a movie called The Book Thief which is obviously like a World War II Holocaust eras movie based on a really heartbreaking book and what he has on display. It's actually quite a deceptively simple score, but that's an incredibly painful era in historical lens to be telling the story from and I mean, Course you could date this back to his life changing groundbreaking work on shindler's list as well. I think that he is just able to get to the humanity of every story and tell that story through his music adding on top of that to just the performances and the mythology of Star Wars. It's like the perfect storm. You know, Star Wars was meant to come into our world and you know, John Williams is music just completely elevates us to a different existence a different level of you know, like Nirvana. Going to that theater and you're just completely captivated and you can completely forget anything that's happening outside in the world. And I think that's why it's so easy to escape into this galaxy far far away and why so many people it's not it's more than just a movie. I mean it is a movie at the end of the day, but when you watch it, it captivates you and it speaks to you because of the music the music is speaking to you in a language that you don't really know necessarily how to translate but it just it feels you what the butterflies it it gets your pulse. A racing you might start to sweat a little bit and you're like I there's something happening to me right now. I don't know what it is. And that's why he says in this quote, you know, I don't think any of us fully understand how it really works. It's almost like the force, you know, yeah, I think that music is the force in real life, you know, the composer like me and some of my friends and colleagues can go sit and watch these movies and whoo you did you hear that bassoon. Did you hear that Slinky bassoon? And he combined it with the double bass and then I think there's you know, we're analyzing the orchestra. Yeah, we're sharing it and saying, you know, how did that particular orchestration evoke this particular emotion, and how can I work that combination into my own film scoring and trying to create something similar to that like we're hearing it like that somebody who's not necessarily trained in music and orchestration isn't going to be able to pinpoint exactly what instrument or combination was used. But they know that it's hitting all of those emotional places and it's taking them where they need to be to absorb the full impact of this scene. And everything that went into it the dialogue the acting the directing the lighting the cost of the IB when I went to my first film set of a film that I was scoring and I really understood how much work goes into this and how when somebody pans a movie as bad or I didn't like it or it sucks, you know, the amount of people who worked on that for so long and put all of their heart and Blood Sweat and Tears into it. I mean every movie is a miracle every movie is an absolute miracle that it never happens from the smallest. Low-budget Indie to the rise of Skywalker. Yes. So I love that about filmmaking. I love that about film music and to me there's nothing better than sitting in the theater that main theme Fanfare comes on you reading the crawl you're getting yourself in the zone and then the first notes of his score begin and it's an unknown score for Star Wars that you haven't heard before. I mean, this is the last time we're going to be able to do that with John Williams. Like I did the other day. I cried thinking. Being about this because it just draws you in in such a way that like nothing else even the imagery even whatever seen it starts out on nothing else draws you in then more than hearing. Where's he going with this now? Where am I going from that familiar main theme and opening crawl. What world am I going into are Am I who am I with right now? You know, it's I think that's to Y at least for me I start crying during the opening crawl every time I see the Star Wars movie. I actually cried when I see the lucasfilm when I see the yes. Like that, that's when I start. Yeah, and that moment of silence where you get galaxy far far away before you see Star Wars. That's like the one moment you're like. Okay. This is it. This is before everything starts. I think at least in this December when that happens. I'm like, this is the last first for me of a Star Wars film. Like I know there will be more Star Wars but it's just not going to be the same. You never know what could happen it for all we know lucasfilm could shut down in a year like you just never know what could happen, you know, so you got to take every moment like it's the last and this might be the very very very last time we ever have that just moment of pure Bliss where it's like what's going to happen next and it's just I can't believe it's happening and I've haven't gotten too emotional about it. I think because I'm like trying I'm in that stage of denial where like, it's not the last one, you know, it's not happening. But like I know when I step in that theater and I sat down in my seat and the lights go down at something and something's gonna happen. I hit my head, you know, I'm going to snap the way that I'm the way that I'm trying to think about it is like, okay so we know the Disney is the most profitable company on the planet. At that has ever existed. So yes that Star Wars is like a huge part of their IP. And so the way I'm consoling myself is that in about 10 years. We will get the next journey in the Skywalker Saga because the I think that the rise of Skywalker is going to end showing us that the generation will continue writing that literal children or re just being pregnant or the two of them just flying off together. I think that it will symbolize that the Skywalker's are going to continue the I think in 10 years when this little guy is 15 and doesn't want to hang out with His mom anymore. I'm trying to get him to go see those movies with me. However, John Williams will not be scoring them. Right the next iteration of the Skywalker. Saga will not have his music. It will have his themes of course, but he will not be doing it and that part I cannot avoid this sadness. How can I can console myself in so many other ways that especially because the Mandalorian is so good, especially because I loved solo so much and like so all this animation that we're getting like Distance is incredible Rebels is incredible. Like I'd the future of Star Wars is so bright and so beautiful and amazing and like deep and gorgeous. That II don't get too sad for too long, but when it comes to Jacobs when I think about this is the last movement in his Symphony, I do I do tend to tear up a little bit on that. Yeah, and you know to I mean this it's a little morbid but you know, when we when we get to a point potentially where he passes, you know, his legacy is going to carry on forever. Ever and I you know, I think he's just made such a huge contribution to the film world and our world in general. I mean, his scores are literally used for the Olympics, which is one of the most human things ever, you know, losing winning overcoming the odds like it speaks to like athletes around the entire world. That's why it's used for that specific events and just everything he's done has had such an impact and I would I would venture to say I want to see if you agree with me. Okay, so obviously when you think about who the Most famous and well-known and most performed composers are worldwide. Okay. So we're talking on the level of Mozart. We're talking about Beethoven. We're talking about Bach we're talking about all these different composers and you go up to an average person on the street. Let's say we're in like Iowa, and we're also a somewhere in France and were in somewhere in Japan and we're somewhere in Australia and we're somewhere in Egypt were all over the world and we walk up to an average person and we say hey, can you hum something by Mozart or can you Um something by Beethoven probably quite a few people will be able to go. Oh boats are dead dead dead dead dead or they'll say oh - you know, they'll be able to do right. I guarantee you that you go up to every single one of those people again. And you say hey what a Star Wars sound like they can go bubba bubba bubba. Bubba, or you can say hey, what is Jurassic Park sound like or what does Indiana Jones sound? Like what does he do? I truly think so how many people are alive today? There's like seven billion people. All right. I truly think that John Williams has been heard and beloved by more people than all of our composers whose work we've had for hundreds of years. Yeah. I might be totally wrong in this judgment and this assessment but I think that he is the most well-known and beloved and most listened-to composer of our entire musical tradition and I believe every word that remain that way and that he will live forever. That's what I tweeted the other night when I saw this scoring sessions, Eat that they were doing the last bit of Rise of Skywalker music on that evening. I tweeted out the story lives forever and you will live forever. He has a immortality in a way in a way that I don't think any other composer has an especially because you know, they've all of these other ingenious composers that we've had over the past hundreds year hundreds of years of musical tradition, their music is certainly used in film quite often, but this is another level of how his music is. Sensible to all of these classic iconic stories that are beloved for all time and are you know continually watched over and over again by new generations the peak of that to me being Star Wars gosh, I guess me emotional thinking about it. I'm like, oh god. Well, let's talk about you know our favorite moments from from John Williams and this this Academy event that he was out five years ago Tavis asked him. Do you ever have those moments where you think quote? I'm gonna kill him with This one and John says let's put it this way. There are moments where I'm more secure than other moments. So, you know, he's very humble about the way that you know, those mic drop moments of music. So what have been some of those moments for you and Star Wars in particular where you he just went somewhere that completely wrecked you and you're like, wow, I did not think he was going to take me to that plane of existence and here I am and my seat quivering and shaking and crying like all the rest of the emotions like what was that for you? I have three I have three examples one from the original trilogy one from the prequel trilogy in one from the sequel Trilogy. And these are by no means top of the list. These are just the ones I'm choosing to reference right now. So for the original trilogy, it's from Empire Strikes Back and the queue is called the asteroid field so good. That moment of them flying through that estimated dad dad dad dad and asteroids flying by and Leia freaking out and threepio saying, you know losing his mind in the back and hon just like Han and Chewie expertly piloting through it. And then the way the music when they flip the Falcon up and go down into the cave and you heard the French horn, but Bubba Bubba as it goes down, right right that blew my mind when I was a kid, I would rewind that until I had almost worn the tape out and then Soon as I was older and I was able to get copies of the score. I started out collecting piano Arrangements of his music and then as I got into high school and college and grad school, I started actually collecting the orchestral scores and that is still a cue that I sit down with even though I've been studying it for like 20 years. I sit down with that and I follow along in the score and I'm noticing new things every time it is a purely ingenious piece of music and it fits the action of the picture and the emotions so perfectly and it showed up in Solo. And they had her if rise of it and so alone I was crying. Yeah. Yeah. It was so great. So good the best call back in Solo. And then I remember being in the theater on opening night for Attack of the Clones and Padme Anakin are standing there in the little cart being pulled out with their hands bound and being pulled out into the arena on Geonosis to face, you know, probably certain death. If they can't get their weapons back and you know, say what you will about the chemistry between these two actors in the dialogue that they were given it's an amazing moment where they have their like full profession of love and we've heard little hints of across the Stars throughout the movie This is the first time we hear the full fledged beautiful like fully orchestrated swelling version of it and just that iconic shot of them silhouetted and they're kissing as they roll out slowly into this Arena and across the stars is just blossoming in this incredible way. Lost it. Then sobbing couldn't handle it. I love that whole sequence. When all the Jedi show up. I mean that gets me out us every time and they're all getting into their battle forms and stuff. And one of my friends one of my oldest friends actually just randomly texted me like a year ago. He had just been thinking about this and he's like, you know, just one thing I can't understand is how were the So many Jedi in that Arena and like how did they all get killed? Like it can't they use the force and I'm like dude they were using the force. They were completely overrun by droids and bite, you know, these those gno scenes with been like all of this chip was coming at them from every angle and you can only use the force to deflect so many Blaster bolts like you can only use the force like so and your lightsaber so much like of course ended up getting slaughtered like the original Jedi Temple got taken out just by Anakin and the bunch of Clone Troopers. So like relax anyway, I love that part and then from the sequel Trilogy, I wrote this whole essay on the spark. The spark is one of from The Last Jedi from The Last Jedi from the starting moment of Leia sitting down and saying the spark has gone out to Luke walking into their moment together to him walking back out and facing down the entire first order with a laser sword. It is unbelievable the layers of meaning and Musical reference and instrumentation and rhythmic and just everything that he has going on in that single queue all the callbacks and all the new material being woven together. That's probably one of my absolute favorite parts of the sequel Trilogy. And yes my jaw on the floor the first time I saw that in every subsequent time, I like the way you went with that. So we got original prequel and sequel Trilogy. I'll give you mine. So the original trilogy I really, you know, I think I have to go with you. The asteroid Field chase is just one of the most unbelievable pieces of music I've ever heard in Star Wars and when I when they release like one little clip from Solo I remember before it came out and I was like, oh like this just a cool little clip. I'll watch it and you hear that. I was like, oh my God, I was like they're going there. Yeah, so when you're sitting in the theater and solo and I'm waiting and the Kessel Run Chase starts solos. One of my favorite Star Wars films and is so good. So good. It is so underrated. I know I completely agree with you and when he goes in there and the music's kind of ominous and you start seeing your like You know, he can't see out of the cockpit and almost sudden the asteroid start coming at him. I'm like, I don't know if this is like an asteroid theme or the Millennium Falcon theme. I can't tell what theme this really belongs to but to me it just belongs to the theme of Han Solo's about to pull an unbelievable stunt theme. That's that's what's about to happen. So some of the best scoring I've heard I would say besides that just to not repeat you I would say an honorable mention is Cloud City when they escaped when you The you know, I do do do do do do. Our to shoot the smoke and they're running on the platform shooting is going back and forth at such a high stakes moment. You're on the edge of your seat. You want them to escape Luke's he's in huge danger right now. You're like, I hope they don't get in this much danger to like there's just so much riding on them getting out of there right now. That's one of my favorites for the original trilogy as well. I can listen to that all day and it was definitely Empire Strikes Back was how I got through college studying and Yeah, all that prequel trilogy the emulation seen I think is very often overlooked but it is it is truly. It feels like something that would have been in like a Shakespeare play. I feel like almost and the amount is overshadowing going on and just yeah creepiness and the unsettling this yeah. I love it. Yeah, and it's just it's the theme of the downfall of Anakin Skywalker. It is the death of Anakin Skywalker. That's what plays over his death. They are. With you on Revenge of the Sith. Absolutely it is. Yeah credibly painful and heartbreaking. Yeah, it brings out some of the best acting from Ewan McGregor especially and leaving him there to die on that Hill is just couldn't do very very passionate off. Yeah. Yeah, so that to me you do hear a hint of that to I've noticed in the crate sequence when the door when they're about to crack the door open you actually hear hints of the emulation scene, which is one of my favorite parallels between the prequel in the sequel Trilogy and another instance of where the hosts are the desperation and the feeling of Destruction and death and suing upon this group of Heroes. It's calls back to that death of one of the Republic's own Heroes and now it's happening again history was repeating itself. And I think that's why that theme kind of plays into that sequence when the door blows open. And it's also an A Moment In The Last Jedi where you know, the chorus is being used. It's actually used very sparingly throughout the Last Jedi. We don't hear it too often. The prequel scores are very heavy on the coral aspect. Yeah, and so that's another way that they're calling back is by using the coral. And orchestration during that moment and then at the end when raised lifting the rocks and everything, so I know that they're on the rise of Skywalker there is going to be more use of Chorale and choral music than there was on The Last Jedi. So we have that to look forward to that is going to be amazing and now speaking of the sequel Trilogy. My favorites is crates when the Millennium Falcon flies in to the battle and you hear like did an antenna and then it goes into Ray's theme as well. And then it goes back. Back into the theme that we hear on the Tie Fighter attack from a New Hope, which is also in Solo. I'm like so low is so underrated. It's so great at that score in the Kessel Run is brilliant. So again that that that theme on crate and just seeing the visual imagery of this red planet and Chewbacca pulling all the stunts to save the resistance and it's just such a heroic moment for him. Yeah, especially and we gotta get such a great call back. He really needs props for the way that he piloted the Falcon through those mines on crate. I mean you really like Chewbacca needs all the Ops like I really hope that he I remember one of the first things that my brother asked me when we finally watched a new hope. I mean, I'd been watching it over and over again and then when we got a no copy of it at our house, my brother's turns to me and he's like, where's Chewbacca's metal? And you know, I know that there's been many explanations now for why he did not get a medal at the end of a new hope when everyone was getting rewarded. I want to see Chewie get all the medals. Okay, so we have ditched the extended Universe. We are not following that cannon into Dies in that Cannon I want none of that. I want chewy being rewarded. I want him. Yeah family. I want him just living the rest of his life like glowing the beach of his rewards. Yes, drinking margaritas, you know, and what keeper me get a shorts just kicking back and enjoying a well-earned rewards like and chewy has become like the spiritual father to this group of people now because they've lost Han and they've lost Luke and I really want to see him get his do because made sure. Tobacco and Rea really saved the day of the Last Jedi. And also I'm there to be a scene with redeemed Ben solo and chewy, I want to see that I agree. I want you know, there's I feel like there's almost too many things. I want to fit into this two and a half hour long movie. But I also trust the storytellers and the filmmakers to the point that I know that we will We Will Be So Satisfied and I trust John Williams to know that we are going to walk out of there with a score that we will have joy. Analyzing for years and years to come. Yes. Well as we begin to close out the show, I got to say the one thing I think could be could truly Elevate me to a new plane of existence is somehow have been solo flies the Falcon and we get either that asteroid theme feel that asteroid field theme playing as he's trying to maneuver through first order enemy Fighters. He's smiling and he's staying so long things and Chewbacca's there in the seat if you're wondering why raise not fighting maybe she's hurt. It's up to Ben solo to fly. Why the Falcon and get them to safety I would just I would literally I would I would just melt honestly, I would melt onto the floor and be dead like I would just I need that what if he's like what if he's like flipping switches and going come on baby keep it together. Like what if he is like so little lines like I will I will melt I will also join you as a puddle on the ground. Yes. Yeah. It's really which really is the best time to be a Star Wars fan. We have so much to Love in This franchise and I want to close it out with a comment from you, you know. But with John Williams leaving for you, what is the future of the franchise look like what do you want it to look like without John Williams. And and what kind of hope I think hope is the most important word in Star Wars. What do you hope for for music in Star Wars in the power of John Williams to to live on so I think that one of my biggest hopes has already been realized in ludvig score for the Mandalorian, you know, obviously, we've only gotten three episodes. But one of the things that I've noticed about his work is there are direct homages to John Williams. There are direct homages to other composers that are influencing him due to the genre of the show right ennio morricone for being kind of Western hayasaka for it being more of a Kurosawa Samurai Vibe. Like there's all of these different influences on him, but he is honoring the tradition of Star Wars music. Well still telling the story through his own voice and I feel that that is a through line with all of Composers that we've got whether that's Kevin kiner on the Animated Series whether that's Powell whether that's Jackie know whether that's Joel McNeely and Gordie hob and Stephen Barton and all the composer's who work on the video games. I think that they will continue to hire people who know how to play in the sandbox who know the mythology who understand the story who Revere John Williams and his work on the Saga who will bring elements of that and influences into that. I mean, I did it Myself, I recently scored a series about women in the fandom called looking for Leia and I was able to rearrange some John Williams themes and also write my own themes in my own score for it. And what I really tried to do was honor of the his themes and honor his influence and let that shape the way that I wrote in trying to explain how meaningful this story is for fans in the stories that we don't often get to hear my hope. Is that going forward they will continue to make the type of decisions that they've already made hiring these composers who know how to bring their own voice and know how to bring their own story telling but truly are fans of Star Wars truly are fans of John Williams know what it means to be able to follow in his musical lineage and really just treasure being in this world of Star Wars and really I mean, I'm going to be a little bit selfish here and say that I just as we have Deborah Chow directing the third episode of the Mandalorian and blowing everyone away, and I'm sure we'll see see some other voices and directors. I'm not trying to be selfish here. Like if it's me or if it's any one of my other female colleagues, I would absolutely love to see a female composer come touch the official Star Wars musical. Yeah time, you know, not necessarily even because I think that there's any sort of quota to be filled. I don't work that way. However, the way that I do work is that I believe that you know women should be in the room. I want to be in the room. I want to have my demo in the room. Find the right person that is going to be picked to handle the story. Then I want to be that person and there's so many incredibly talented of my friends and colleagues coming up right now getting more and more high-profile work and working on bigger and bigger things the time is so right to bring that voice and that storytelling in the same way that they did with Deborah the same way that they did with Victoria Mahoney being JJ's first assistant director. Yeah, right Walker. I can't wait to see what her influences on the film so Oh, that's that's really my take on it is that I trust them so implicitly because everybody that they have brought on so far has blown me away with what they bring to it. Yes sound to the level of galaxies of Adventures the Star Wars rollout series The all this all the little animated series that I watch with my kids the music for that. I mean, they're not working with huge orchestras. They're doing it all inside the box, but it's also Star Wars. It's also well done. And I think that are you agreeing with that? Yeah, he agrees. He said You know, so I think that I place my full trust in them. My demo is ready and waiting. I'm ready. So I'm just, you know working every day as hard as I can to potentially get in the room someday. Yes. Well, you know what? We'll keep our fingers crossed here for you a Christian, who knows maybe someday when you're the big composer on OB 1 season 2 or something crazy like that, you know will be saying oh she was on Friends of the force a couple of years ago and she's she's the best and she's been working hard for it. So I one more anecdote for you real quick. I love anecdotes when I met John Williams, so yeah, it is actually yes. I'm telling a story about you right now. It was actually leaving a year after I had had this little one so I was still pretty sleep-deprived and very emotional and my friend who is a really good friend of John Williams had arranged it so that I could meet them and he had been spent the entire day working on the force awakens. This was May of 2015 and as I'm being driven up to meet All my emotions are going crazy. I'm starting to cry like a soon as I visually saw him in the distance. I started to cry and my friend was like just Qbert your brother would pull it to go our can't bring you up there like this. So I went I got the tears out of the way and we rolled up to talk to him and he was the sweetest kindest the best way I can describe him is that he is sparkly. He has a sparkle in his eyes and he has a very alert very spry sort of vivacity to him and he was Cuz I didn't I didn't necessarily want to just fall over fawning over him and telling him how much he meant to me. So we actually ended up talking about people that we knew and common and different orchestrators that he'd worked with one of his main orchestrators that he worked with for years is Conrad hope and I had met Conrad at an event and we talked about all this other stuff and then we start talking about family and life and he was just so gracious. And so kind of when we went to take a picture. I kind of started to melt down again. You just had his hand on my shoulder. Just like patting my shoulder like it's going to be okay like comforting me because I was melting down in his presence like yeah any anytime you see him interact with fans. Even that woman whose drove her son to his house and her son got out of the car and started playing Star Wars and yes came out. Yeah, like he's at his home. He's trying to relax like even that he came out like so gracious and so kind he's just the epitome of professionalism. He's the epitome of Genius. He's just he's human of course. Everyone is human. Everyone has their flaws everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time. Like you can't deny that as well. But just the reputation that he has and the way that the players who play for him are so honored to be in his presence, even though he drives them hard and those Orchestra recording sessions even though he knows exactly what he wants and he pushes for it. He's just his like she'll not come again. That's definitely what I'm trying to say. I feel honored that I got a chance to meet him and to we're just all so lucky that we've been given Skiff and I'm really looking forward to talking to you again after the rise of Skywalker so we can flail over the score and discuss and this has been really really great. I would definitely love to have you back to talk about the music and really dive into it. And again, I think like you said earlier you hit the nail on the head. His music is Immortal. He is Immortal and he will never leave us no one's ever really gone. I think is for him that I can apply so Christie. Thank you so much for coming on Friends of the force today. It was such a pleasure having you and I'm so glad we were able to make this work. Gout so where can our listeners find you and some of your work and and what do you have coming up that you'd like us to know about so I'm on Twitter at Christie underscore Kuru. You can find my blogs on Tumblr. It's enjoy all need. Nothing - blog at tumblr.com chose that name when I was a lot younger don't remember why it was deep and meaningful to me at the time in my early 20s. Now, I've just decided to keep it my website Christie crew.com and looking for Leia is going to be coming out very soon. Probably the project that I want to recommend the most to your listeners as it is a really incredible Star Wars story about fans and women in the fandom and how you know started out very early with the original fanzines and all the cosplayers and creators and animators and Droid Builders. I can't reveal the exact details of where it's going to air yet. But as soon as I can I will tweet it and announce it you should be able to watch it and stream it very soon and it's just a really incredible project and will really make everybody. Smile and tear up a bit and yeah, that's that's probably the biggest one. I would want to mention. I'm definitely very much looking forward to that documentary and make sure if you're listening go follow that documentary on on Twitter again. It's looking for Leia and make sure you follow Christy now as for here at front of the forest, make sure you give us a five star review wherever you listen to the podcast and we can find us at friends of force on Twitter and Friends of the force on Instagram. Send us an e-mail at Friends of the forest podcast at gmail.com and consider joining our patreon at Patreon.com slash Friends of the force again. Thank you to all drinian Rose Neal Lowery real form boy Chris from Kentucky Michael Condon and T our patrons. And lastly. We are a part of these Star Wars escape pods Network, which is promoting positivity and Star Wars fandom. So Christie, thank you. Once again for coming on. This was such a lovely discussion and I think we really got to the heart of Star Wars music here on Friends of the for so can't wait to have you back again in the future as for all of you listening until next time. We're all one. With the force we are all friends of the force and May the force be with you always.

Join host Brad Whipple (@bradwhipple) as he sits down with Christy Carew (@Christy_Carew), a Canadian-American composer for film, TV, advertising, and multimedia. On Episode 25, we talk about the power of music in Star Wars and tackle why John Williams' score has touched the hearts of every fan across the world. We speak to the universalities of music, how it can set the emotional atmosphere of a scene, why Williams has achieved immortality, and gush over some of our favorite musical moments in each trilogy.

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Well, you know a lot of a lot of people think that that that they should be able to just sit down at a dawn make it work because they know computers, you know, and I've never I don't know anybody who goes to Qatar Center buys a Stratocaster and a mailbag method but comes back a week later and says, hey, I don't play like Jimi Hendrix the Stratocaster sucks as a guitars has to practice scales. You need to practice your Daw. Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ableton music producer podcast. I'm your host Dan Griffin. And today we have Craig Anderson with us. And Craig is an internationally recognized musician. He's a journalist. He's written some great books. He's an expert in the music technology industry. He's played on produced and mastered over 20 major label recordings. Like I said, he's authored a lot of books here and he's written some great articles. He has an awesome blog on Craig. Anderton.com go Check that out Craig. Thanks for being with us today, man. Oh, it's my pleasure in and by the way, I worked on the manual for Ableton Live to so yes. Yes, and I remember you mentioning that send me when we first met a gear Fest a few months ago and I was blown away. I was like, oh wow, that's awesome. I mean you jumped in the game way before I did when it comes to enables an user which is always respectable. I'm using a since version 1.0. So yeah, it's it's a great program. I'm you know, it's not the only program I use but it's the only program I use for live performance. Yeah, I saw your presentation at Craigslist and I marched up to you or not Craigslist. I had a beer fest and I marched up to you afterwards and I was like Greg I loved what you had to say. You talked about modern science songwriting workflow, which I thought was really cool talk a little bit about the psychology behind songwriting. You've obviously worked on a lot of music and a lot of tracks. I'm all about the psychology of music, you know, Innovative tips for just working faster is always helpful for producers and musicians. Songwriters so I kind of wanted to spend some time today talking to you about your process behind that and tips that you have for our listeners. But before we dive in and no doubt about all that good stuff. Just tell us a little bit about yourself. How did you get started with music and real quick? How did that lead you to where you are today? Oh boy. Well, that's that's the least interesting part because what's happening now is the most interesting part, but know when I when I was 10 years old, I saw Andres Segovia play and I just was blown away. Way by the guitar, and I wanted to learn how to play guitar. So for my 10th birthday, I got a guitar and I got a transistor radio kit and that's it my life and stone looking forward during my teenage years. I was in a band called Mandrake back in the 60s and did the whole touring thing and albums and all that and I we got just famous enough that I realized that that's not what I wanted to do. So after that, I became a session musician in New York did a lot of work there did some production and also, Got very involved in electronics. And that's where the book electronic projects from musicians happened then again to recording and one thing led to another did a lot of production work in the 80s a lot of engineering and in the 90s, like course face. I also co-founded electronic musician started that magazine and then fast forward to the turn of the century. I was doing a lot of work over in Germany a lot of live performance with DJ's but I was on guitar so that was interesting. I was I was thinking everything up to MPC. These and using the adrenaline. So that's so I have a legitimate interest in the whole live Ableton type of you know, the mindset the loops and things like that and then Loop libraries and I mean, there's been a lot of detours along the way but in the meanwhile here I am, you know, I have always been independent. I wear I did I did to have an actual job at one point. I worked at Gibson for four and a half years and learned more about it. Yeah. I learned a huge amount about guitars. I mean it was it was sort of like going to graduate school. Yeah. Now I'm back to doing the you know, the writing Consulting type of thing. I do work with a lot of Manufacturers about how to how to use their gear. So that's where a lot of these tips come from. Sure. Yeah. I've seen a lot of endorsements on your website with like Alesis and some other ones and there's a lot of really good brands out there that I know you've bumped shoulders with I'd be terrified working for a manufacturer like Gibson or as a drummer for like DW because I feel like my entire paycheck would just go back to them. Well, you know, it's it's a different it was a different kind of situation and Gibbs. And because the time they had a lot of different divisions and I was involved in with all of them on some level, you know with the speakers with Carrick and all that. But the other thing is that what I do is not really endorsements. It's much more along the lines of my boss of the people who read my stuff, you know, not the companies you're right and and what I'm finding out about a lot of companies is that they just want you to tell what's really happening. They don't want you to go out there and say oh, this is the greatest thing ever. Oh, I love it so much they want they want me to do is say here. So I use it. Here's what it's good for here's here's what to do with it to make it make the kind of sounds you want. That's what they really want out of things, which is very comfortable for me. You know, it's like I mean every time I go into the studio, it's I'm basically doing R&D. So that's you know, yeah, that's not bad either. That's a great job. Yeah for sure. You can wake up every day and play with new musical toys and make a living out of that. That's a great day. Well, let's kind of dive in a little bit to your presentation that you had a gear. Fest you've shared some really awesome songwriting workflows and tips. I know that we could sit here and talk about gear for Endless amount of days, which I've maybe we'll do another time. But yeah, I loved what you talked about with the psychology of music and you kind of started off with that in your presentation. One thing you mentioned was about how the brain processes data in two ways related to music you talked about like the left and the right side of the brain and East you mentioned that the left brain does not. It's not part of the songwriting itself. It's more about like prototyping the songs not producing them. I thought that was that's very true. That's interesting. Can you kind of expand on that a little bit? Yeah, actually I'm less interested in talking about gear because gear is relatively unimportant, you know in the in the process what ultimately you have to look at what your desired result is, and the desired result is to have an emotional impact on the listener, you know, the listener one of the things I said at the seminar was no radio station ever called me. Up and said, you know we were going to play your CD but you use the solid state mic preamp now, they just they just don't do that. But in terms of in terms of the hemisphere thing, okay, so, you know one is constantly improving one's craft and ones art. I mean, otherwise, what's the point of doing it and I've always been looking for that Holy Grail of how to have creativity go as smoothly as possible into something finished and lately. I've really made some progress along those lines. I'm now doing songs that in An entire song blocked out in an evening and finished in a couple days and you know mixed and mastered within a week and this is very unusual for me and a lot of it is because I have been analyzing what goes into the creative process and what's Paramount is to be able to work rapidly. So when there's an inspiration you have to be able to really run with it right then and there you can't get hung up on, you know, fixing your computer rebooting things or whatever. Right? And the other thing is that you want to just keep going while you're in that zone and The reason why that's so important is why how the brain processes information? There are two hemispheres in the brain the right hemisphere the left hemisphere. The right hemisphere is more about colors and images and emotions and things like that. Whereas the left side of the brain which is controlled by the right hand is more analytical. So the analogy I use is that the right brain is a Macintosh gooey and the left brain is MS-DOS, you know, it's very nice. Yeah makes sense. So you need them both, you know, but the thing is that what what's interesting from a creative standpoint is once you're in one side of the brain, it's hard to switch over to the other one so you can be in your right brain mode. You know, you have some you have some great idea for a song some great Groove going and you're really In the Heat of creativity and then something happens that causes you to switch over to the left brain like he get a phone call or there's a problem with the computer or you know, you have to re patch things or whatever and now when you try to To go back into that creative space, it's gone. Yeah, I know and that's that that is the biggest problem. I think in terms of the songwriting process. So there's there's two approaches you have to take one is to have as smooth and efficient a setup as humanly possible and I went through a lot of the details there. I mean one of the things that I always say is your interface should have way more inputs and you ever think you'll need so that everything can be patched up all the time and you never have Is a patch Bay. I have no patch Bay in my studio. If I want to record something. I record enable a track it's ready to go. The levels are set. It's all good. Yeah. The other thing is that we're using the beautiful thing about Dawes is at their nonlinear. So if you have a great idea for a chorus, you can work on the chorus, you know, and if you have a great idea for a lead line, you can put that, you know, five minutes down the timeline and bring it in when you want it. Yeah, and I've sometimes sometimes I'll have like some really, you know, No song will start with A Chorus and I'll work on the course. I'll do the vocal of put on a baseline. I'll do that and then after hearing that enough times it almost suggests a verse and then I'll work on the verse and it all is a very smooth continuous process. And that's how the song gets blocked out in an evening. That makes perfect sense. I can I can totally speak to that from experience this having my Moog already run into my Apollo and my vocal mic and like a lion for my bassist and everything else just ready to go and yeah. Find that I call that process when it's blocked like musical constipation. It's like you you have this moment where like you you have that burst of inspiration and creativity as you were saying and for me personally and I think a lot of other people there's a very small window where that's going to live and then once it passes it's hard to get back into that zone for sure what exactly it's I mean and one thing to me the Muse is a real thing, you know, it's not it's not just an abstract concept. To me. They're the muses is a real idea. There is something that that comes and takes over and that if you're if you respected an honor it and work with it and don't let it get impatient. You can keep you know, you can keep doing it. So, I mean, that's something that that does matter, you know, yeah for sure. You know what one other thing about the left brain right brain thing, you know, there's there's a there's a nerve Highway between the two hemispheres called the corpus callosum, and it's Pickering musicians than in most people which to me imply. Yeah, which is interesting because we are constantly shifting back and forth between the two I mean music is mathematical at its heart and but the ability to stay in a hemisphere is important and one of the one of the questions people ask me a lot is, you know, there's music from the 50s and the 60s and 70s at that. That's Immortal. You know, this is this is the first time that I can think of a generation not rejecting the music of its parents. It's you know, I mean I see I see people are teenagers are there listening to a CDC there listening to Led Zeppelin, you know. Yeah, I mean that has not gone away and our Buddy Holly for that matter. I mean Buddy, Holly Holly is still current and look how you know, he's but that's almost 50 years old. Yeah more than 50 years old. So, you know people think oh, my, you know must be the console or must be that these vacuum tubes or must be you know, this or that I think that the reason why those things were Classics aside from the fact that they were collaborative. Nature the artist got to stay in the right brain the whole time. They didn't have to worry about aligning the tape recorder or rewinding the tape the engineer took care of that the engineer lived in the left brain the whole time and the producer who made the most money off the project had to live in both had to be able to jump between both hemispheres. And that's a difficult thing to do and that's what makes a good producer that they can listen to something and gauge the emotional impact of it and also gauge the technical merits of it. Yeah. So I think that that kind of workflow in that that way of working promoted better music and and more emotional music and the ability to do it faster. We've all heard the stories about, you know, Beatles albums being cut in a week or whatever. And so that's why it's so important to have a setup where essentially itself engineering. You know, she keyboard keyboard shortcuts markers, you can jump between being really familiar with your dog means you can engineer without having to think about it. Yeah. And that's really I could not have said that better myself. That was really well. But obviously you've been doing this a while one thing, you know, a lot of our listeners here kind of have to wear all those hats there. They are now the the engineer and the producer and the musician seems like there's a lot of those out there now that people are all in the box and then the doll with like Technologies. It's evolved since those times back in the day. Yeah. I think you one thing I tell students. I have taught and you know, my experience is Is being able to kind of develop that muscle memory so to speak where you get to the point of where you do all the left brain work. So you actually know how to get the results when the right brain is kicking in with the creativity. So, you know, it's like doing your homework. If you don't know how to use the dog really, well, you know, it's not you can lose those moments of inspiration where that music kicks in and so I find the more practice I do with like my left brain of maybe what some people would say is like the boring agonizing work of like learning. The doll and like practicing and making absolute crap, you know, then like once you have that right brain creativity kick in you have that muscle memory. So to speak to where you can start getting those results really quickly and being able to you know, bust out music faster like you were saying well, you know, a lot of a lot of people think that that they should be able to just sit down at a dawn make it work because they know computers, you know, and I've never I don't know anybody who goes to Guitar Center buys a Stratocaster stir and a mailbag method book comes back a week later and says, hey, I don't play like Jimi Hendrix the Stratocaster sucks. You know, it just doesn't it just doesn't work that way. Yeah what people just don't a lot of people just don't understand is that today's Daw sitting in that computer is equivalent to like a million dollar Studio A couple of years ago, you know, I mean all those instruments all those synchronization options and bussing and routing and preamps and the back line in the compressors and you've got all these signal processors. You need to learn in Virtual. It's not all that. It's an awful lot. I say to people it's very much as if you walked into record plant in 1969 and the engineer said hey, I've got great news and I've got bad news the great news. I'm only charging you two dollars an hour to use the studio. The bad news is no one's going to be here. Here are the keys good luck, you know people would be totally lost and and they're lost a lot with Dawes. So this is as a guitarist has to practice scales. You need to practice your dog ice. Spend one of the one of the really fortunate aspects of my gig is that I do a tip every Friday for PreSonus for the PreSonus blog about using Studio One, and I also do a monthly column for sound on sound about Cakewalk. So I'm essentially getting paid to learn the programs which is a really which is a really good deal. So I'll go yeah, I'll go deep into rabbit holes. And but the other thing is that when I go deep into those rabbit holes, I'm always recording because you never know when inspiration is going to strike and there. So many times that I've been like working on the DAW and being like totally, you know, totally left brain and trying to learn something new and I'm playing guitar keyboards are coming up with a synth patch and massive or you know, whatever. Yeah and all of a sudden like it's like wow, I like that and instantly I'm in my right brain and I'm gone, you know, it's like I can I can finish the article later. Yeah. So you need to be sensitive to those moments. I mean, that's that's another thing so many times. People get into into a creative block, you know. Oh what can I do just do anything just just sit down and play. You can't go wrong by playing something will happen might be good might be bad might being different. I'm not one of those people who you know rights 50 songs and two of them are good and I work on those pretty much everything I start I actually finish and turn into a song because because I'm not being conscious about I'm not trying to write a song it comes to me and I just just With it. Yeah. Yeah. I find when I have more of a playful mentality where I'm not trying to write a hit. So to speak my best work comes out where it's it's really just almost playing for the sake of the love of it and having fun rather than trying to force it. You know, I I find that I write better that way when I'm not overthinking things and I'm just enjoying the moment. I've never made more music and I've never had more fun playing music that I am right now. I mean, I mean I loved being on sigh look when I was doing 200 live dates a year. I love being on stage. I love that, you know two hours of being on stage, but all the stuff in between really, you know all the traveling and then the, you know sleep and yeah, the legalities the accounting the the maintenance, you know, just just all that stuff is just not fun, you know, but but the other thing is that okay, though. Let me just get off on a little bit of a tangent. Which is go for it. I really think that we're entering a golden age of like personal music because if you think about it for a second music is only been we've only been capable of freeze-drying music and reconstituting it later for like a hundred thirty years or so before recording all music was transitory. It was ephemeral if you miss Beethoven's 3rd you missed Beethoven's 3rd, you know, I mean just that that's just the way it was you weren't going to go online and here it wasn't going to be Leaked with an MP3 it existed for that moment. Right and and so is a novelty early. It music is always been a personal thing and people play instruments because they like to play instruments before TVs became popular every home will not every home and most homes had a piano, you know, people played guitars School taught you how to do things and it's only it only became warped into this concept of being a business and the 60s and actually lessen the 60s but in the 70s and 80s He's really became like oh, this is a way to make money. This is gig, you know and and the emphasis got off the fact that it's a voyage of personal Discovery. It's a creative thing, you know, and so like I see people I see the Old Guard basically, you know looking at people with Ableton Live and on a laptop in their bedrooms and they sort of go look at the kids pushing buttons with Ableton Live and it's like no man. This is like they're they're discovering music. They're like really having a good time. They're becoming lifers in this, you know, yeah. Yeah, and so, So and so the thing is and although ever make any money at it. Well if they won't make any money if they like fishing or bowling or going to the movies or anything else, you know sure it's an and I'll tell you the process of making music for me every time I do a song. It's like a Rorschach, you know, I see myself coming back at me. I learned so much about myself and I have such an interesting time doing it that even if someone came to me and said no one else will ever hear your music ever again, I would I'll keep doing it just the same, you know that to me. It's about it's a personal thing and I'm glad and I'm glad to see it's getting back to that and I'm thrilled that somebody can go on YouTube and get a hundred subscribers. You know, I mean, that's great that I don't I don't look down at that all. Mmm-hmm. Yeah. No absolute them times. I have the same mentality as you and that is you know, I think when you start to take something as creative and expressive and is vulnerable. His music and you're putting it out there as yourself me that's not really easy to do and you start out because it is a big piece of who you are, you know, you create something you put a lot of Blood Sweat and Tears into make something that you're proud of or you think you're going to be proud of and you put it out there. It can be a little it can be a little scary like invulnerable and and it's therapy in the end of the day like for most people like music really, is there be above all else and yeah. It's what you have to do. I mean a lot of times people come up to me after seminars. It's like hey, you know, what can I do to be successful and my answer is always you have to be yourself. And the reason why is because the odds of syncing up with the rest of the population to where they all love you is incredibly remote, but if your yourself and people like what you do, then you have a guaranteed career because you're not using artifice. You're not using focus groups, you know, you're not you're not Not making up stuff you are who you are people like who you are and they'll love it. If on the other hand, you're always calculating and try to think. Oh, what should I do or should I you know should be like this or should I try to be like this or whatever then you're basically doomed you make it one hit out of it, but you won't have a career. Yeah, that's good. You know, it took me a while to actually start sharing my music when I first got started like on social media with my friends. It was almost like well, I've got to create this page and have this huge image. Like now just share it with people that mean a lot to you and see if they like it and they'll share it and then see what happens from there. You know. Well, I gotta I gotta tell you something that happened to me at age 18, which was the most valuable thing ever. I was doing a concert in Philadelphia and back then they had, you know morning and afternoon papers and we did this concert and when the reviews came out one of the paper one of the papers just / the two ribbons. They thought it was horrible as this incredibly negative review the other / was incredibly positive it was like this is great. I've never heard this is so fantastic. And so okay, but what was interesting to me was that they Through their judgments based on the same things, like for example, the negative one was like so this group just got up in a play for an hour and a half of it in her interact with the audience or anything. He has kind of standoffish in the positive review is like thank God. They just went up there and played music. No, they didn't they didn't say hello, Philadelphia. And yeah, and and when I was playing the synthesizer, this was back in 68, I guess. Yeah, so I was playing it synthesize that made on stage negative you was like, I'm the worst part was when the guitar player sat down. Down at this box and made these sound and then the positive review is like and the best part was when the guitar player went and made these cells. I'd never heard before that's eunos and to me that was like the most valuable lesson ever which was just put it out there because some people are going to hate it and something people are going to love it. Yes, he do it for the people who love it and for the people hate it they have plenty of other things. They can listen to yep haters will always hate just remember that. Yeah always be haters and and they don't matter no. Now and they shouldn't that's that's really funny. That's true and music subjective. You know, it comes down to everybody has their own tastes and styles and interests and you know, you don't there the world doesn't need another dead mouse, you know, or whoever else there already is one so and even more and even more so in the age of YouTube, I mean I used to be with, you know back back in the day record companies would do like, you know, they want to find out find me the next Springsteen find me the next Prince or whatever, you know, but now It's and Springsteen are click away. You know, it's like it's like none of that. None of that stuff ever goes away now. So you have to be original you have to be different and you have to rise above the signal to noise ratio, if you want to be successful, right, but you know, but the other thing is that when you're doing it yourself, you have no constraints like so I do an album project every year and the one I did in 2016 was called Neo and it was that was short for Neo psychedelic music for the 21st century and the Prem and the premise was is psychedelic music had never been invented. Someone did it now. What would it sound like and then the one for 2017 was completely different was called Simplicity and it was like all songs. They all told stories. The voice was up front. There was a lot of acoustic guitar there was like even ukuleles, you know, things like that, but they weren't done in traditional. Ukulele style of course, and it was the premise for that was like, okay. What if Buddy Holly had been born in 1995, you know, what kind of stuff would he do in the studio? And then the one for for 2018 was a continuous mixed cultural de vivre and it's like Half EDM half Rockies like EDM meets rock and I knows and I know it's successful because EDM people say, oh man, it's too much like rock for me and The Rock people say hey, it's too much like EDM for me. Okay. So the people like EDM and rock thinks it's fabulous. And what I'm working on right now is a collection of singles were every song is completely different. I'm right now. I'm the song I'm working on right now. What I was doing just before you called was I'm actually doing a cover version. I hardly ever do cover versions, but Brian hard Grew From Look enemy and and I are going to be collaborating on walking on doing a collaboration of a cover version of walking on the moon very clean. And so I'm doing this version of walking on the moon and I'm like blocking it out. So we have a prototype to work from and I really slowed the tempo down. It's got like really heavy guitar chords. I mean it's a very different thing so, you know it's and then but the song before that was almost like a ballot. I mean, they're all they're all different now and I can do that. You know, that's a record companies nightmare, but for me, but for me, it's incredible. Amount of fun, you know? Yeah. Yeah for sure, you know, and I heard so many times when I first started making music it was like find your sound be original find your sound but I was like, but what is my sounds you know, I I used to like country music and then I got into like jazz and then I was like really into Funk and then I really got into EDM and then I was in the future base and then I was into like indie rock and like it just a little bit and so I produced literally all of those genres now that I've done all of that I look back for myself and I'm like, you know, I think I found my original sound because I've practiced all those different genres and I find little pieces of those that kind of suck out and it's like now I really know what I like to produce at this moment and it will probably change in the future to not exactly the thing about being involved in all those forms of music is that they inform what you're doing now, like I was doing one song on the Simplicity album and it needed a guitar solo in it, and I thought you know I pulled out like a Wes Montgomery type of thing, you know for my jazz days and it's great. You know, I've also I've also produced a lot of classical stuff. There's a there's a harpsichord is named Kathleen McIntosh is fabulous, and I close Mike to harpsichord instead of doing traditional harpsichord Mikey and she loved the way that sounded and we did an album of Solaris sonatas and also Bach and the way that she plays it. It's not like a reverend museum piece. Thing it's like Bach came over that day and said hey Kathy, I got a new song check it out. Let's go and she plays it that she plays it like it's so alive and vital and when you close Mike it when you know when you know rock and roll piano miking techniques and you applied to a harpsichord all of a sudden the thing sounds contemporary and real and big as I'm awesome. I'm gonna do that. I said to me eventually I would love to hear that. Well, yes at give me your give me your address and I'll send you a copy of the CD. Yeah, please do that'd be really cool. I'm always in for new tricks like that that just sounds fun and and non conventional instruments are so fun to play with. Well the ukulele stuff that I'm doing is okay. Here's how I got into ukulele owes Windows was doing an update and it was like taking forever and I have this ukulele that's been sitting around the got it got it in France like years ago or something. Yeah, and I was just playing it and all of a sudden this song started coming out and then I learned that you know, if you might get correctly and you know do interesting processing with it and you can you know, you can throw anything. On that I get thrown a guitar when people hear the music with the ukulele, they don't think it's a ukulele they think it's like some ethnic instrument that I found or something, you know, because they're just not used to hearing it used in that context. So the classical stuff works its way into what I do. Like, I do a lot of Court substitutions and things like undiscovered version of walking on the moon. There's a lot of chord substitutions in their relative minors and things and it's you know, oh and I'll tell you another it was another thing Brian and I did a project once LDV to it was a live performance project with just the two of us and he played drums and I played guitar but the guitar that I had was a Gibson HD 6X which had every string available as a separate output. So I took the two bottom strings and put them through October dividers. So I had base. I took the top four strings and put them through a chorus for kind of like an Andy summers are all the same and then I had pickups that I that I put through Distortion and because I was I started off on classical guitar play with my finger so I could articulate bass and rhythm. Leads at the same time on this guitar and then we both put our vocals through DigiTech Harmony things. So he sounded like a full band with just two people. That's what but what was really cool about it was that I didn't have to worry about having the keyboard player or the bass player follow along or anything if I wanted to extend a solo or not extend a solo or switch songs or anything as long as Brian can hear me? We were we were good to go. Yeah, and I mean that kind of experience is fantastic to I mean, If I frankly if if I was given a choice that I could only be in the studio for the rest of my life or only play live for the rest of my life. I would choose playing live because that's when you get to collaborate. That's when you get to interact with an audience, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just now starting to play a lot more alive than I ever have and I love it. It's great way to meet people and find new artists that you potentially want to collaborate with in the future from other bands and musicians that you share the stage with it's a lot of fun. You know, I had a happy accident. Then kind of similar to what you're talking about with the guitar and all that crazy stuff. I I was playing my electric drum kit my role ends and I had an external instrument in Ableton already queued up and I had midi running through that and so I didn't even think about that that channel is armed and my Moog sub 37 was running into it, but the midi that was being played on my electric drum set was actually triggering notes from the Moog and I didn't even realize that and I ended up like playing some really crazy preset. That was like, Boot up on my drums and it became like this really cool lead line for one of my songs like complete accident. And I think that's one reason. I love Ableton so much is just because it's full of happy accidents like that that I discover along the way and any dog really but like when you just have non-conventional ways of things happening, it's there's all kinds of results. I can you know take you in a direction. You never expected that's new and fresh and creative. Well, did you see did you see the seminar where I was doing the harmonic editing? And playing the one guitar chord over the EDM track. That wasn't the songwriting when I was in I don't think yeah that no, that's right. It was the second one. Okay now I mean now that was something that was something kind of this harmonic editing stuff in Studio One is is mind-blowing. Yeah. My premise at the seminar was that anything sounds better with an acoustic guitar if you have an acoustic guitar in the background and he it's token as a true guitarist. You know, it just I mean, so I and I said even EDM yeah, I said EDM sounds great with an acoustic guitar and people look to me like, you know what I said, and so I said but let's suppose you only know one chord. So I queued up this EDM track and I just played one cord all the way through and of course, it sounded terrible because it would be going through these chord changes and stuff like that. So I drag the Baseline up to the cord track and Studio One it parsed out what the chord progression was and then I had the guitar follow that so the guitar follow Along with this chord progression provided this deriving sort of sound in the background, you know, and the fact that I could do that and then I can change the courts like if I want to go from a g to an E minor I can just change it in the cord track and it's not midi. We're talking about polyphonic audio here. I can play a part on rhythm guitar and the Polyphonic audio is actually program figures it out and says, oh here's the chords you're playing and and you can take that and then you can do things like pitch drum. So especially if they're symbols and you know something that sustains like that so on. I'm finding between that and sidechaining which I'm also a big fan of doing with sense is is you can actually have like three or four tracks but it sounds huge because there's so much going on because they're so tightly synchronized, you know? Yeah, and that's it. That's another one of my that's another one. I think switch that I truly believe that every time you add a track it diminishes the importance of the other tracks. So you really need to think about it, you know. Yeah. Well Ableton has some Max for live instruments that do their amazing. To the yeah, I mean there was even a I've never tried it with guitar doing what you were talking about. But there's a creative extensions pack that has something called pitch and it actually pitched shifts the audio in real time, which could probably do something similar. Yeah, the thing about Studio one that's different. Is it does it polyphonically so it can actually go inside like a c-major chord on a guitar and turn into a G major 7th Hmm. This is really which is really bizarre. And of course when you're transposing like that it does make some tamper old temporal. Differences but that made it work better with the EDM because I had sort of this electronic edge to it. But Ableton, I mean the thing about Ableton that to me is like the strongest thing about it are the scenes, you know, and the other thing about Ableton that I love is that everybody uses it differently when I will rip, you know, there was one time there was one time I was in the at the Frankfurt music show and I heard somebody was playing with Ableton Live, you know, it was like one of the one of the people there and they were making the same kind of music that I did same kind of approach same kind of Like sound and everything, but when I looked over his shoulder he did it in a completely different way. Yeah, I mean completely different but the end result was the same. I'm very much into for live performance. I'm very much into having all looped all the loops going all the time connected to a fader box and then I bring the loops in and out and mix on an individual seeing that I'll switch to another scene and then I'll be mixing those in and out. So it may just starting to so the scene will have like 16 Loops going. Yeah, but the scene will come on with only one or two Loops then I'll start Building stuff up and taking back and all that. So it's really more like a performing mixdown type thing. Yeah, one of my friends he's done some webinars with fly producers online my website and he uses Cliff ex-pro. You've ever heard of Cliff X, which is just basically a scripting language that hacks able to basically do anything able to isn't it doesn't already do and he does some heated some crazy live looping stuff in session view that like, I haven't really seen before and he's just a mad scientist. Of of Abelson hacking so yeah, but he did a cliff up X webinar on our website and recently I saw he was creating his own Cliff X commands to do some looping that is just like crazy. So yeah, I mean, you're right though. Everybody uses Ableton differently in different ways. And I think that's one thing that makes it so fun. And in the why I continue to want to be a learner above all else, you know, there's always I think something that we can learn from other people just you know, even even if you've been doing it, A hundred years or 10 years, you know, I think everybody has kind of their own approach and we can all just learn from each other and find new ways of doing the same thing, which is just fun. Well, you know, the other thing about Ableton that's intrigued me from a business standpoint is for many years. I mean until push came along they were really a one product company and yet there are a Powerhouse in the industry in terms of sales, you know, and so what what they did, I mean what they did is brilliant, they they created a market and then have a hundred percent Market. No, I mean, yeah, really cool. Yeah bailing bit League really tried there for a little while and I don't I don't know how they're doing. But I tried playing with the wig for a little bit and I just have to be honest. I wasn't the biggest fan. I was like, they tried to recreate Ableton but Ableton works fine for me the way it isn't how so ableton's like SEO, you know, it has roots that go back to what 2000-2001 something like that. Yeah. So, I mean if you're into Ableton you're into Ableton your you know, I mean, it's yeah, and it's You know, there's a there's a time there to Ableton stories were rise talking with Gerhard one wasn't a version for they were about to introduce Smitty and I said, oh God get hurt don't you know people are gonna want event views and staff and notation and it's going to be this and that and stand to what you're doing now or what you're in any and he put his hand on my shoulder. He said don't feel like Craig we do it the Ableton way and he did, you know, I think mid he's really done really well in Ableton and they are Yeah. Oh, yeah, when seven came out he said hey, why do you think of all the new features and I said, you know, I really don't want to insult you. But I only use a fraction really of what Ableton does because it does that's exactly what I need to do. I know it really well live is a great program. And so, you know, I'm sorry, but I really haven't checked out some of these things and I thought it would be kind of like, you know, I thought he would kind of make not angry, but I thought it'd be a little disappointed that I didn't go into it further, but instead his Dude was like that's perfect. You know we give these we give these tools and people use different tools for different things. You know. Yeah, that's very true. And you know, I've heard the argument that well why wouldn't she just want to produce in the same doll that you could perform him, but to be honest with you. I don't know too many people that start a project with the song finish that song in that project mix and master the song in that same project and then perform it live in that same project that doesn't really happen. From what I see. Oh the other the other thing is that I mean Ableton Live the audio engine just doesn't quit. I mean, you know, I joke with people but it's really true. The only way to get it to crash is to take your laptop and drop it 10 feet onto a concrete floor and then he and then even then the audio engine might still be going even though your screens cracked, you know, so I didn't hear it. Yeah, I mean that and that in reason to me are like two of the most outstanding programs anything else is a risk live. I mean, I mean now granted, you know live there are are compromises in order to obtain that audio engine I get that but they're not compromises that affect me for a live performance in there and they enabled me to do live performance. I've never had a problem with it, you know knock on wood, but in terms of songwriting I find Studio One to be fastest and most efficient by far. It's like, you know, it's like a sports car, you know. Yeah Ableton Live is Ableton Live is like a private jet and you know studio and is like a sports car and Cake Walks Like an SUV and Cubase and with Cuba. I mean think about Cubase is you can do anything in Cubase. I mean if Cubase can't do it. It probably can't be done. But trying to figure out how to do it. You know, you really have to get deep into that program. Yes. I mean if we're talking about Dawes for transportation and my mind's and I know people are going to hate me for this and I don't care. I see Pro Tools as like The Flintstones car. It's been around for a really long time Pro Tools Pro Tools is like that big friendly dog that comes up and like she but isn't too bright, you know. It's nice enough and you know, it doesn't doesn't poop on the floor to Mansion. Yeah, I look prototype Pro Tools is you know, no it's not my favorite program, but I get why people like it and I'll tell you what when when folks are first transitioning from two-inch tape to computers and then asked me what to do. I'd always say by Pro Tools because the Paradigm was so similar to what they were using. You know, it's very easy to figure out it does it still does the busing thing really? Well? Yeah, I think about Pro Tools is Take forever to do stuff. But when they do it, they pretty much do it, right like the elastic audio. They were late with that. They were late with the clip gains. So, you know and Pro Tools was really designed for mixing and for tracking right and that's it. Does those things very well? Exactly if that's all you use it for then more power to you. That's great. So ya know it's I mean everything everything has a reason I mean like Mixcraft. Okay, a lot of people who use like really nice Dawes and big expensive things that kind of look down and Mixcraft because it's like 99 bucks 100 bucks or whatever but Mixcraft has this incredible on demand sample and loop library and I told people it's the cheapest needle drop music library, you'll ever find and the most versatile because if you need if you need to put together a Bossa Nova thing for a travel agency 60 seconds spot Mixcraft is going to do it faster than anything else, especially You then have to turn around and do a scene where the detective walks into a club and there's a punk rock band playing something. You know, it's it's great that you can put you can put together anything in like seconds, you know, so yeah, I mean it they all they all have different things that they do and I totally agree. I think it comes down to the train of thought of you know, in my mind it's use the tools available to you that you have to achieve the result, you know from the end of the day. Yeah. It's about the journey, but I think in The end of the day it's about getting the end result. And if if you want to do something and you have the tools that can get you there, you know, don't buy a bunch of things and then not really know how to use them really well and get distracted by trying to learn something new without knowing what you have and you know in the plug-in world's the same but dude, I have so many plugins that have been given to me and that I purchased that I haven't really spent time learning or using and and I think you know if I was to go in and try to 10 all my hours learning every single one at this point. Like I would know all of them kind of half-assed. I've yeah. Yeah, but what would make a loop but it wouldn't make any difference on the ultimate emotional impact. I mean, you know, but people ask me what's what you know, it's what's the best thing they could upgrade their studio and I and I joke, but I'm serious when I say write a better chorus, you know, I mean, that's the cheapest upgrade ever and as far as plugins are concerned and I was talking with one guy uses Studio One and he's like, oh man. I wish I had a pultec equalizer. Eliezer in there, you know, I'm going to have to buy a pultec because you know, I really like the sound of pultec. So I love the sound of pull text to I mean I was in a video I was in I was in the studio when they were new, you know, so, I mean I'm used him for a long time. Yeah, and I said you can get a full text sound with the equalizer in Studio One just lower the queue and I showed him I said here look here's here's what a here's what a curve would look like with a pultec here. We can do that same curve with with this EQ but because it didn't say pultec on it and a den of a button that said, you know prices for the poll tax and it wasn't an I think what a politic actually does and just saying. Oh, yeah, of course, I can do that. Yeah, that's funny stuff funny. You say that a similar story where somebody was like man. I just I need to go out and buy an SSL compressor and I was like, well, you know that like Ableton Luke compressors modeling this a cell right and like wait, what was like, yeah don't need to go out and spend like a couple hundred dollars on this compressor like that's used you could just use this it's given to you. It's going to give you a similar end result. You're always off better using the bundled stuff anyway, because it's that way when the version, you know, x y z comes out it's still going to be compatible and you know, you know, it's still going to work with your operating system. And that kind of thing like when I use Cakewalk, I have their their C A2 which is an la-2a compressor type thing. Yeah. I love the sound of that thing, but Studio one has one two, so rather than insert the Cakewalk plugging in Studio One. I just use the one that's in Studio One and you really can't tell any difference between the two because ultimately, you know, it's the vocal that you're listening to. Not the compressor. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, you know for me personally when I collaborate with people I love getting stems. So usually when I'll have somebody that's a musician kind of start and just record the idea whatever they're using and then I'll take those audio. I'll take that audio and I'll chop it up and have fun with it almost creating a remix out of something that's already existing. I finding having content when collaborating with somebody that you said just like recording and coming up with ideas and then taking that Somewhere else but having something to start with rather than just jumping into a studio with a complete blank canvas having an idea to start with is always something to build off as much easier. Yeah, and you know, it's so for me I've been talking mostly it would sound like I'm talking mostly about like conventional songs and guitars and things like that. But Parker that is a return to form. I mean, I had an all-electronic band Back in 1970 called anomaly and it was like all just homemade instruments electronics patch cords things like that. I did the With with Linda Cohen, the classical guitarist with like electronic backgrounds and things like that. So I've done a lot of electronic stuff. Yeah life and I've done a lot of the and the playing with the DJ's over in Germany and all that and that's but that's a very different type of collaboration than songs because with songs you do have somewhat of a structure you can play off of you know, yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and I've heard some of your tracks and it's very cool stuff. I love the non conventional approach that we were talking about earlier. With you just messing around with that guitar and running it through pitch shifting and all kinds of stuff. I think that just makes for an original sound and I just I think it's fun. I love what I've been hearing and I'm stoked to hear more of your music that you're doing in the future. But you were talking about this was that the harpsichord or something like that. Yeah that that those were actually those are the two albums that I did. I'm not I don't know anything planned with her in the near future. Okay move I've moved away now, but I mean I probably will at some point. I mean the thing that interests me right now. Is I was putting a solo on the Walking on the Moon thing and I'm really getting into sculpting lead guitar solos. Like for example, there's one part where there's a run of notes and they sort of all mushed together because they were distorted and I just split the at the notes added a little DK to them. So now they're all like very distinct and individual and then the other thing I'm I've gotten into is what I call fo feedback which is like I have a note that's that that dies out at the end of the solo. And what I did was I took that note I stretch it out. So it was twice as long bumped it up 19 semitones and then fade it in and fade it out. So there's that like feedback wine that comes in Italian. Oh, I love that. So it's this writ and I also transposed a couple notes. So then you do something a little more interesting. Melodically. It's and shifted the timing around a little bit and not always putting it on the beat exactly because if you know, if you put it ahead of the beat at Russia's it a little bit get ya adds to the energy. Oh, that's another thing. So here's we could go on forever. But here's here's something that that's a really important takeaway for people which is I was talking a lot in my seminars. Oh the compelling mixes one. That's the one. Yeah, you didn't see that one. Okay and compelling mix. I talked a lot about Tempo changes. And if you analyze songs from the pre click era there were Tempo changes for sure, but they weren't really random and I put up a screen shot of the tempo track for Papa's Got a Brand New Bag. Egg and what's fascinating about it is the consistency of the tempo variations is uncanny and the whole thing has a linear speed increase over the course of the song. But every time it goes into Papa's Got a Brand New Bag, it speeds up then it comes back down again, but there's a little semi speed up a slight dip in the major speed up before it says Papa's Got a Brand New Bag and it's consistent every single time. I mean the other another fascinating one was Pat Benatar where the tempo basically tracks Picture of her voice as she sang higher the see this Temple would speed up a little bit and when she went down it would slow down and there were alone he had and it's not I mean, it's not random at all. Now the problem is that when you do recording to a click it's it's really hard. I think it I think it's damn near impossible actually to have Tempo changes as you're in the process of writing a song on a multitrack project. Yeah. I was going to say that would Be really hard. Yeah, that's the bad news. Here's the good news. So what you can do is when the song is mixed what I do is I take the song I bring it back into Studio One, which uses, you know, elastic Pro like Ableton does and Cake warping. Yeah. Yeah and what I'll do is I'll make up a fictitious tempo for the file say, okay. The song is 90 beats per minute or hundred beats per minute or whatever and then I'll create Tempo variations in the tempo track so I can speed up the song and slow down. Song just like you would with regular as if he'd done it from the beginning. So I'll have that little speed up just before the course. I'll have that little speed up just as a guitar solos getting her for the end and it just makes all the difference in the world when I demoed I just figured this out a while ago it so I demoed the first song where I really had that realized in the compelling mix of seminar. I did that in Madison. I did that in gear Fest. I've done that now in different places and at the End of that song The People burst into Applause. This normally doesn't happen when you're just showing an example of something, you know. Yeah, but I'm convinced that those Tempo changes made it a much more compelling and emotional experience for people. Hmm. That's really interesting. I'm going to start trying doing some more of that. That's yeah bouncing out the track and then bring it back in and doing those Tempo variations. That's cool because you're right. I mean Tempo does drive a lot of the energy of the song which is why you have a lot of bands that want to Pump It Up two or three BPM when they play live well in the other thing the other but the other it's the variations. I mean, yeah, you can see it up and that's cool. Right but right but it's you're creating a journey with the energy levels really at that point. That's exactly that's so cool. That's great. If you want to hear if you want to hear that but that particular song is the most recent song. I posted on my YouTube channel. So if you want to hear what it actually sounds like when applied to like a real world song it's in there like right now, but from now on believe me almost it makes you want to Go back and redo every single song recorded and it makes it a nightmare for anybody that wants to remix your song or try to detail it live. Well, there's always the version that doesn't have the tempo change it but the things that's true, but they are subtle they are subtle, you know, and and they're not at the beginning and end where you going to do beat matching. Anyway, yeah, you know and and but I'm also kind of considerate sometimes like on Schwab untoward video of the last cut was actually going to go into something at 133 and the cut was at 122 and over the As 30 or 35 seconds It sped up literally from 120 to 130 three and it's a big jump. It's a huge jump, but you don't feel it. I play for people and I'm and and you you feel it. You don't hear it. You don't say oh, it's speeding up. You just all of a sudden you're like getting more excited. You don't know why that's really cool. That's a fun hack. Yeah, that's good stuff. Now, I'll definitely be playing some more of that in the future. I love that idea of doing that I've done Tempo changes but not gradually like that. It's usually kind of faded with short parts of the song but you know, you should see you should see the tempo map for the song Pump. There's called my butterfly and that you should see the temple map for it. I mean, it looks like will include will include a link to that as well as links to your YouTube channel and website in the show notes of this episode. So if you guys are listening right now go ahead and check out the show notes. You'll see links down there for this. I can send you a screenshot of the activity screen shot of the temple map if you're interested. I think you'd find it interesting. Sure. Yeah, we can include that as well. That would be really cool. Okay. Yeah Craig. This has been really fun. I've really enjoyed this. Yeah, I loved what you had to say at your presentation at gear Fest. I think, you know you have a lot of wisdom that you can share with a lot of people and you were in some great books. I encourage everybody check that out. I if Apple haven't subscribed to your blog people need to do that Craig anderton.com. We'll have a link in the show notes. Like I mentioned already the YouTube channel definitely check that out and I believe you'll be possibly offering some courses or things in the future excited stay tuned for that everyone. Yeah. Actually I have a digital storefront on reverb.com is going to go live soon. And one of the things I'm planning to do in the near future is to do an actual course on recording because a lot of people Hard time getting started with it, you know and it's something that can that can go on, you know, there can be a lot of topics that are covered. So yeah, there's that but but as you mentioned Craig Anderson.com is where you're going to find what's happening. So that's a good place to check out. You know, what what books are coming out personal appearances where I'm going to be in your area that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Stay tuned everyone. Thanks Craig. This has been great. It's been a lot of fun. Hopefully we'll have you back on the podcast in the future sometime and can stay connected with the future happenings of what you're doing and thanks again for being here and joining me. And yeah, I look forward to seeing more. Yeah. It's a lot of fun and it's a lot and I probably ran too long, but hey, no, no you can edit. Honestly I could sit here and talk for hours. But I have a meeting so I have to go I know but no I absolutely love chatting with you. And if you ever come to the Indianapolis area, please hit me up and we'll hang out and I don't know if you're a coffee drinker or not or will find some. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I have to go through Indianapolis to get Beerfest yeah, that's true. I'm down the road. You can come hang out at my little my studio. I have a good time. Yeah, cool. All right. Well, I really enjoyed this and I hope people get something out of it. Oh for sure. I know I have and I'm sure everybody else will too. So thanks again. Enjoy the rest of your week. I'll talk to you soon Craig. Thanks again, right? Thanks. Take care. All right, take it easy. This podcast is sponsored by live producers online.com a community of Ableton Live users connecting you to the pros to learn today's music. auction

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She's going school shopping Evelyn ambushes her with the polygraph test, but the ladies are about their businesses episode as well. I'm your host in this conversation piece. And you know, I'm mix and mingle with the cast all the time and I have Brianna Cheyenne's the left for me. She is also our fashion Diva and tweet Diva. She has all the tea as well. Hi guys. So what are your overall thoughts of this episode because was before we get into that we're going to just let the fans know that we're going to review the episode. We're going to play a little game. Well, actually we going to do a top three sets gonna do something new right? Yes. We have a special top three segments for our listeners. All right, and we have news and gossip and predictions. So, what did you think about this episode? Honestly, this was the leak like the least draining episode so far from the past couple. I I was happy to see Malaysia going about her business. I really love that and it kind of makes me wish that they focused more on their entrepreneurial skills and just things that they're doing that's just more positive. But yeah, they do it Dibble and Dabble that you know, we see some progress with the business. But yeah, this drum is all too familiar. I feel like they always have to have someone that is the person that is the most hated like is Everybody's against them. So Jack, he's the one this time. Yeah, Jackie always finds herself like out with time time again. Every season Jackie finds herself wearing that hat, but I don't know why I love her so much. I love Jack because Jack he's funny. I mean, she's not a hated person sure personality is hilarious stuff that comes out her mouth is ridiculous. So it's easy to love her. Yeah, but it's a few people Fighters though. Somebody's mad but one hand. Well Doug, he's not mad. He's happy to go away to school. He's getting some new clothes going shopping with Mom. But he's not liking what she's picking out. So what he says he's prepared. So whatever they've been doing got him ready for college. So he seems to be well adjusted. I think yeah the I don't understand why Jackie was asking him. What are you going to where are you going to wear shorts all the time? Like it's you know, like they wear uniforms in college. Welcome to look presentable at nice Jackie be asking some dumb questions. Sometimes she wanted to look good at all campuses. He had a represent for the family. Okay. She says the teachers the students they better be nice to her son, or she going to pop up. Now, you know that Jackie is she will be on campus. Yes lunch room waiting for somebody Jackie's the mom. You don't tell anything to because you know, once you tell her that you don't like somebody she's gonna hate them forever so you could never bring them to the house because Jack is going to be shady and say some ignorant. Stop forget the house. She going to drive to the school. She got tired. She gonna fight college kids and everything, but she also wants to know is he going to be involved in relations now has been dissolved in relations. Jackie had no this her some. Yeah. He's a little cutie. Of course he has and his mom is on TV his dad has a and be a legend my husband. He's scared. He got girls knocking down them doors. He scared because Jack He's going to act a fool if that's what the winner baby. That's why he's going to be secretive about it. If he come up with a baby. I don't know what's gonna happen honey, but OG called to check on Jackie and tells her what Phoebe has been saying behind her back and calling her old and stuff. Now, why don't people do that? Because we all are not getting any younger we get older. So why are we like making these jokes? Like I think it's just because it's easy when you live in a world that's very materialistic and based on. Vanity, the easiest thing to do is to come for your looks your Youth and all that stuff and Jackie's not ugly. So the easiest thing to say is oh she oh she took out to be trying to fight but you she is too old to be trying to fight you're talking about her. So I mean just because you're old you supposed to let things roll off your back and be like look like they say whatever you wanna say. No not at all. But when you get to a certain age, you handled things differently. There is no woman. That should be 70 years old not saying Jackie 70, but I don't want to see no seven-year-old woman. And getting mad because some boy disrespecting her like what like you're not fighting after a certain age. That's ridiculous. I'll call somebody to fight for you. That's what she got to see my son or my man is gonna be pulling up mama. What's up handle it. Yeah, so she pulled up and jeans Eve and she was not playing because she's like baby baby. This is the one time Jennifer has something Have going on in this season and Jackie comes rolling up screaming for Phoebe talking about she don't care that Jennifer's making a speech about cancer. Now. She did come at the wrong time. But we've all seen them act inappropriately at events. Now. You can't act like Malaysia hasn't pulled up on somebody. Absolutely they be pulling up now. Yeah, but just because one person did it doesn't mean another person can do it and everything is okay. Malaysia is wrong and Jackie's wrong. Well, it's Phoebe wrong. Wrong baby needs to find herself a plane ticket back to New York as what she needs to do. She but I hear her constantly talking even when she was in her like I'm not going outside. She still was talking like I want you to stop because you got to bag it up like you got to be ready to walk outside of you got this mouth. Like I'm and then the Killer part was Malaysia was the one telling her. No, you're not going out there Queen and pull up saying no, you're not going out there. How is this happening? I'm confused. I mean Malay you already know 1malaysia doesn't like somebody it's a wrap for them. So she's easy to hop on another side. If that means that they're against her enemy to this was a mess, but they were also bombarded with Paparazzi. She wasn't feeling because she came to show Jim love but she still is on the fence about gin but she feels like gin was kind of like, oh, I need this photo op to make it seem like we're cool. Who do you think that's what that was? Yeah, see, I was looking at it as a wit the fact that Jennifer is having an event for her mom and is about cancer and I look at that as PR and her PR wanted media there because we're in the we're in the media especially specifically entertainment and we get emails or calls or DMS all the time talking about I'm having this event. I would love for you to cover this and that's how I looked at it because they were actually inside the venue. I feel Paparazzi would be Outside the building. Well, they're in the yeah, they they were covered in the event but I just feel like like even in a moment Malaysia wasn't fake. She was like this photo is kind of awkward. Like I don't want to take a picture but she's okay. Yeah, she took you but she was like I didn't want to take it but it was kind of like she was sandwiched in the middle of Evelyn and Jan like come on girls extension because she was talking to Evelyn. So at least you're Jennifer was in the middle, they both made room for a for Jennifer to come in. Oh, so yeah, she did. Thank you think yeah, so they were willing to take it. Yeah, well, they just always complaining about stuff, you know. Yeah, I'm done with that. Yeah, I have is one person that confuses me because she's having this meeting with some ladies about women empowerment and she's all passionate about this or so. She says however, she's the first one to bring the drama and talk down to people and fight and so I'm like What's the contradiction is going on here? Like what? Contradiction is going on here. It's a lot. I just think Evelyn is a natural-born Mean Girls sometimes and she just doesn't really realize when she is doing something, you know, when you're just naturally mean and sometimes you don't really realize you're being mean until someone says, hey does she need therapy like Jackie because I think everybody in the world needs therapy, but I would love first of all shout out to dr. Zimmerman if anybody needs to have their own show and needs to be doctors. Zimmerman because yeah, she made me feel therapeutic. I mean, yes any woman that can break through Jackie Christie. You deserve a Nobel Peace Prize ma'am. So everybody needs to book a book a session with her. I think I need one too because I have some issues to we all do we can't we can't look down each other and talk bad about each other and then go have any event. There's like, oh, this is about cancer this about my mom. Yeah the about women empowerment and then every other day you breaking somebody down. Like that. Yeah, that's hypocritical very very very and then she not only does that but she confronts Jackie ambushes her with the polygraph says she's like, hey girls hang it up and then Jackie shows up. Like what's this price? She took it? Well, she said she had nothing to hide most of the answers were Miss. She took it twice to yeah. She was determined to get the answers she wanted but she got some Green Mountains and she said no no, no ain't agreements is over here. Let's take it over and she Past most of the test, but the one question that we were wondering about did she leaked the story to the Press? I know she their story you think she leaked the story we heard her in the flashback. They said I'm about to hit her head. I think somebody on her team leaked it. They mean she did. Yeah who instructed hurt. I mean that person to do it. I don't know. I think I think Jackie knows who did it and she didn't try to stop it. That messy 1D 'and he look like he got a big more Anthony. Oh, cuz the other people are saying Anthony and Jackie your friends so it could be Anthony's thirsty self. Well, Malaysia says no coming back from all the drama that Jackie's causing. She's having an event herself. Jackie didn't come she wasn't invited and she's saying like, why is she making up these lies about my family, but they did try to jump her. I mean, it's not a complete look total lie. Oh, I just I just wish Malaysia gave Jackie more of the benefit of the doubt with this whole situation because they have such a tumultuous tumultuous friendship already. So I just I hope that eventually some type of conversation will will be had. However, the more time that they let passed by Malaysia is going to build up more animosity. So it's just not going to go. Anywhere Jackie's her she's breaking down crying at the polygraph test. That was hilarious. I'm so sorry. It's not funny watch people. Cry Brianna. She was sad because she's like y'all don't trust me. I don't think I did this I didn't do it. Why does it matter? So like he's innocent she could not be crying over somebody because they don't believe me. I'm sorry, like if you say that you're my friend and we've been friends for how long and you don't believe something I'm saying. I'm not gonna cry over it. I'm a grown woman. If you don't believe me or cut off and I have other friends that will move on speaking of moving on. I want to thank you guys so much for tuning in each and every week and dishing about Basketball Wives with us making us the ESP and I talked we appreciate you and we would like for you to continue to show us support like comment subscribe. If you're listening to us on iTunes. Give us a five-star. You can listen to us on Spotify as well. And we just love it here. We love this show even All these ladies, you know can be kind of crazy. We like it. You know, what about you Brianna? You like it, don't you? I love it. Love it. Yeah, we love it. Yeah, when Jackie meets with the therapy session she gets a breakthrough. I really like I do like this lady. I'm like she should make more appearances. I think Jackie should refer her to some more people. This lady's really good. She broke down. Town of like how the little girl inside of her whatever she went through when she was younger is still there like at whatever age he is 50 60 s whatever that little girl is still in there hurting and it's coming to the surface every time she gets mad every time she gets angry why she was crying at the polygraph test exactly. That's a little girl inside. It's not Jackie. That's Jackie Jacqueline is the grown woman in Jackie. No, they said the devil is the one Maybe no one out of stuff. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It is the devil or Malaysia said that's the demon that tried to get closer as they can. Figure Malaysia sounds like she's been hurt many times by people in her life. She sounds very scarred and broken by a lot of relationships and she's so guarded and easy to just look at the worst in people. You know, what if Basketball Wives comes back next season. I am putting on a special request that the producers make it more about Out dr. Zimmerman building up these ladies and figuring out their real issue, you know what that can make a spin-off they didn't they have like a, you know, boot camp type of thing. Yeah, like Marriage Boot Camp or something like that like therapy Basketball Wives boot camp. They need the right help. Yes. They look like real help not just reality TV help, but they need to go in it with open minds because there's no point if they don't ya Eric Carrasco says Jackie actually. He thinks Evelyn's her friend, which is sad. That is kind of sad Mmm Yeah, she Emily kept her under the bus the Ambush everything. I don't think I'm over Evelyn and her so yeah after all of that losing her temper and crying I think Jackie knows how to find her piece. Just breathe and just let it pass saukerl the they help just yeah, he broke. Girl, let me tell you something deep breaths and help me a couple of times. I'll walk away a punching the in the fist. Yeah, that's how you get your power back. Yeah, as I Channel all the energy in this back into my hand and it just comes back. Okay, just breathe. Well, yes Ani is Shawnee checking on her business is some progress going on with the dispensary. She's you know reflected. My how she was just a Hawaii thing a mother and never thought that she would be a business owner and you know through you know, something devastating such as a divorce. She was able to come up with Basketball Wives come up with her other businesses and real estate and this dispensary. So she's going to leave a legacy for her kids love it. And yeah and not only her Malaysia with the skincare company, so they are making some moves, you know, it's good to see it sucks that at some of the people watching don't feel like they can consider themselves business women just because they had some type of financial backing from their ex-husbands and they're getting alimony, but at the same time what they're doing with the alimony money if that's creating a business for them and supporting their children. What's the problem if a problem, you know, what because some women would just go shopping into exactly the 18 years is up and then they're like well and the baby's diaper Stiller dirty. Mmm, Phoebe, I'm sorry. I was waiting for Kwame in her lingerie. Oh this week. Hmm. That was sweet. That's how you wait for you and me and when he gone for a long time. Oh, okay. Yeah, you gotta spice it up. That's how you slice it. Her outfit was cute. No, it was not I didn't say it's not I think it was a nice. Welcome. Welcome. A lot of people feel like Kwame is going to start running for the hills with this whole baby talk stuff. He got very uncomfortable when she brought up marriage. I could see it in his face, but that's why I say you have to inspire a man instead of like because she said she's not trying to force it but bringing up the topic of conversation is kind of forcing it. Yeah, especially if it's constant. Yeah, but she's her hormones are raging. She's retiring from football. So now it's time to have a baby. So I have a question and you guys can answer in the chat too because I would love to know everybody's feedback. How long do you stick around a man? Knowing your clock is ticking and you want this commitment. How long do you stick with him? And what would it take for you to finally say, you know what I need to move on and find somebody that's going to give me what I want. I say don't ever get exclusive into you guys are on the same page. So if if he's like got to uncomfortable look when you bring them babies and marriage and stuff go on some dates with some other dudes because that's going to make him either step up break up or you're going to find somebody that's going to do what You want but you know, sometimes you have those conversations initially and then they you guys are on the same page at first and then years past he gets more comfortable and then all of a sudden he doesn't think having kids is that important anymore. We're have how did that happen? There's nothing more dangerous than a comfortable man. Mmm. So one we're not moving in until we get what we want and you know a ring and then two we need to set a date when we get the ring. That's what we need to do. That's nice. My thoughts on that. Yeah. Hiya Jay says a year. Okay, and then when January first hits then will ye be looking crazy in the face hear our conversation last year? Right? But another thing that happened in this show was this concussion situation with Jackie putting it in the blogs which led to the polygraph test, so Is that even something that could be a controversial thing because I mean they all talk stuff about each other like whether it's the blogs or is the girls bring it or if Anthony's bring it it don't matter. Why is it I think it just makes it Messier when you're purposefully going out of your way to go to a third party and involving them in something especially if it's not true because Jackie's there crying and during the polygraph test that you know, they don't believe her for lying but at the same Time she potentially put something false about Malaysia in the blogs. That's hypocrisy in my eyes. Good day. Well, you know speaking of a procuracy our new segment that we're going to do today. Let's talk about it. Yes, so we have top three. So we always have a special top three in the beginning and the end and we have one in the middle for our lovely listeners. So our top three are Three ways to get caught lion and this is strictly an influential from the series overall, but there are some things you can Implement in your life so you don't get caught lying. So the number three just don't lie. How about that? Just don't lie. But you know in case you end up doing lying because that happens our number three way is going to a bootleg Court make sure you bring those receipts that means gunshots recordings all of that stuff and we saw that with Jackie versus Malaysia Pargo witness bring a week or a witness. Okay, and then having that witness leads into our number two how Ponderosa. Oh, yes. I love those especially when there's drinks involved. Let's be very clear though. Ponderosa is not a real word in this sense. It's actually a tree or a steakhouse. Okay. So thank you Christy for you know, Jackie for giving us a new word Vince. We're well, she invented the a different definition but um, you can have a Ponderosa gather up everybody that was involved in the situation do a pop-up. You know what she calls a drive-by. I think the Ponderosa is kind of like a play on Pandora's Box. I think that's what she was really translate but it just kept going Ponderosa. I'm gonna let you have that one. I don't know if she's just using it in the wrong way. Way because she doesn't know the new meaning. Okay, but the number one the number one way, we sought through Anthony and his messy. He said she said debacle as just go on a call and have the other people on mute. So you don't know up three way call I wouldn't you know it and you know, we have the honorable mention a basic lie detector test you can oh my goodness. You got to pull out that when it's the big big deal. You know, I don't think that whole concussion thing was a big deal, whatever. No definitely wasn't that was just extra camera time and storyline. All right. Well, thank you so much Briana for that. That was pretty funny top three ways to get caught lying. I just suggest you tell the truth and nothing but the truth. Okay lying stop telling lies and let's get into our news and gossip. Yes. All right, so speaking of Anthony Jackie. These sores he is taking the credit for increasing the ratings of Basketball Wives. He says on his Instagram yesterday's episode of basketball-wise was a good one. It's crazy to me how Malaysia in the city is quick to believe. Both of them line bees Ashley is Jennifer's week a assistant old assistant and zom is cool with the week be so why were they acting like that in? No, I don't know but Continuing on his caption PSI call everyone Booth from the things I heard about you. I should have thought about calling you that cyst and thank you Jackie for having my back. So is that why people think that he's checking for her because she got it probably but I mean that that theory started on the show, but I mean, it's not looking too good if he's they're thanking her on social media. Yeah, and then he met another post on top of that he's saying isn't that crazy the drama I brought to the group helped them. I'm ready to check out how the rain shot up because of the queen and my mouth. Let's see what happens when they were Union because it's about to be major twist child. He says he gonna be there. He's thirsty. So if website fries, yeah, I mean who invited him Jackie most likely you always you will see him with endless reality stars on his Instagram page. So you already know the type of person he is cloud cloud cloud cloud. So Jackie, she's popular in other circles in the world. K.Michelle, they were on the show together Hollywood Squares. Okay, and she said she wants to sleep with Jackie. These ladies are freaking and bisexual. So let's play the clip Jackie. Yeah. Look quiet. I want to sleep with Jack. I've been trying to sleep with Jackie for two years and everything. I just wanted to try something different. I've been trying to sleep with her for two years. We'll try me. You believe in yourself. You can do anything just do not do not give up do not give up to two years you give me right there on stage together go ahead and go for it. That's kind of crazy because the way the freaky she's like the freaky Queen on that so I can't believe that came and she has been pushing up on her and she hasn't mean going for it. I don't know if that Okay, I mean, I don't know that's so Random because I didn't even okay. Michelle was into women like that. So even make a comment about that, I guess that's just oh, yeah, she's talked about it to that. She's had through. I don't know. She's like super like bisexual. But yeah, like she's been into Jocelyn on Love & Hip Hop like she's into that. Okay. Yeah. Well, I got a special treat, you know, I make angel brings one of our former basketball wives and I was so excited. I got to go to her show. Showroom, and I got to try on some of her pieces. So I have a few pictures from the showroom as you can see. She's always blinking stuff out. That's the store. I'm so proud of her. She's such a businesswoman and such a sweetheart. And that's what she said about me in y'all which I think is who is that? That's me. Why do you look white? I look white. I don't know. Maybe it's because it's the lighter like light lighter, but let's take a look at the showroom. Let's see the videos like a little clip of the showroom. So these are some of the pieces if you would like to owe so much. That's overwhelming. That's so cute. Yes, very overwhelming because it was like that's like you just want to play dress-up. That's why I didn't girl. It was amazing. That's so yeah. I have so much fun. Thanks Angel for showing me love and showing the best wives after show love so we will get into our well, actually we have some sweets for oh, yes. Yes some tweets from Basketball Wives fans who are always watching the show at real Miss. Mack says all these shows have functions just to fight and bring up old ish. Okay. Let's see. I agree with another way at Bri underscore Breezy. 11 says I'm so over this group. Y'all talked. Hella ish about Jackie then she cries and Evelyn want to comfort her Jennifer lies in Rumors about Evelyn and her child no mention of a lie detector test. But Jack you gotta take one and I'm I'm not even up Jackie fan. Well, that's how you know, you're not biased a tray holiday says where on Earth is OG getting these shirts from haha. Sorry and I am Kiki. Marie says this show has turned into a circus. I can agree that that that whole family come outside. There. She go right there clown. They said Jacob look like a clown. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah cuz you came back it up honey. You better go back home to New York. I'm Ronnie Thomas who says they need to bring back Brandy Tia Williams. Oh, sorry Ty William says, I think we should do a petition for Royce read to get back on Basketball Wives. I think so, too. Even at her small size. She was still standing up to them. So Phoebe has no excuse. Yeah, hold your own girl. Exactly and then kiya-jaye says, I just like half the cast so there it is. All right, so we need some new basketball wives. Who would you guys want to see on the show? Do you know any ladies out there? That may be a good fit? I don't think Ayesha Curry will work. Oh, no. Do you see the class of these women? And then do you see I girl bag. Well, let's get into our protection. I let me summon my messy Gods. I'm gonna go I predict that Jacqueline Jackie in Eva Jackie and Malaysia are going to have a Moment and I think it's going to be another volatile situation and I would love to see even though he's thirsty. I would love to see Anthony get on the show Mmm Yeah, like do you like a quick Cameo? Because I feel like I want to see how each person reacts like who would be shook when Jennifer be shook by seeing him and possibly getting exposed or will Jackie get on the defense. I think there's a lot of potential for a lot of messiness. Hmm. Well, I think what I think is going to happen these he's going to demand her apology at this dinner. And I feel like they're going to finally become a family. I think CC cares enough to want an apology. It seems like it in a little Montage. She's like I'm going to get my apology and then Byron, I mean Thomas comes home. He's like why we have extra plates on the table. Oh see. I took it as Cece wants Kristen to apologize to Byron because CeCe said she doesn't care about if they like her or not. She cares about Byron solution. Okay. So the third plate is Byron. Yeah. Okay. Kathy see wouldn't go to Thomas and Kristen's house for dinner for an apology. 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Check out the latest aftershow for Basketball Wives Season 8 Episode 11. Is Jackie having a midlife crisis or are the ladies trying to get rid of her? The lies are getting exposed and we have the tea in news and gossip. Press play! The Basketball Wives After Show: Welcome to the La La Land this spin off of where these lavish ladies who are formally linked to basketball stars. The BASKETBALL WIVES AFTER SHOW gives you the inside scoop on all of the drama that comes with being romantic with a baller with a California twist. Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show. ABOUT BASKETBALL WIVES: Basketball Wives LA is the Los Angeles based spin-off of Basketball Wives that premiered August 29, 2011, on VH1. It follows the lives of a group of women who have all been somehow romantically linked to professional basketball players. VH1 has renewed the series for a fourth season, which will premiere on July 12, 2015.

Hello, this is AJ Roberts 15-year British forces veteran entrepreneur high performance coach and loving father and husband this podcast is for the motivated and inspired for those looking to level up their lives for Fitness Nutrition and their mindset. Welcome to the best version of you. Hello boys and girls and welcome to another episode of the best version of you. I met Jay Roberts and today. I'm very very proud to bring you an amazing guest another military veteran of the Great British forces. Mr. Steve. He knew Steve. How you doing? I'm great energy. Great good to speak to you. Awesome, man. Well, thanks again for coming on the show. We've is something we've been trying to get together for some time and it's brilliant if we manage to kind of get One and I have lots of for being really busy both of us. So it's great to have you on guys just a brief introduction on Steve and your know straightaway why I was really Keen to get him on Steve is an ex Elite military member of our British armed forces and he's now an expert in leadership management and strategizing and decision-making of high-performance teams where he concentrates building cohesion both in the military at home and abroad and his unique experience of success and struggle is absolutely inspiring now Steve joined. What was then called expletive which was formed that's what was formerly known as and it is many of you have heard the name of the Pathfinders and at 20 years old Steve became the youngest member of the Pathfinders. Now a lot of You cast your minds back would have heard of the operation in Sierra Leone in May 2000. Steve was part of that Infamous operation is part of 26 personnel and they were dropped into a remote jungle Village and they're only expecting to stay there for 48 hours and not coming to any dramas, but that soon became a fierce 16 day Siege against 2,000 Rebel attackers. For his leadership and his actions during the battle. Steve was awarded the military cross and the come in the first noncommissioned officer or NCO in the unit's history to receive this decoration Steve absolutely remarkable moment and obviously of the back of this story led to you right in your first book. Is that right? Yeah. That's right. That's right. AG. Yeah operation Mayhem basically recounts the sort of Operation in its entirety so that whole book covers that that single deployment. Yeah. It's a pretty amazing story and it's is the kind of stuff that you know makes films we've seen many films and have passed where troops have been dropped off specimens only stay out for a little bit and they end up getting absolutely smashing in the thick of it just talks briefly through but what that was like going from Justice. Spectrum to be there for a couple of days to it being over two weeks long. Yeah, I mean obviously we can't we knew when we got on the helicopter when we mounted from we forward-mounted from longy Airfield, but we knew at that point that we were real chance that we were going to be fighting when you we just didn't know the Tangier ation. So we when we go on board the helicopters, we literally only had two days of food and two days of water. and and you know, very small amount of ammunition the reason being that deployment their operation it moved so fast from the UK that the operational stores that usually you know move with a deployment like that hadn't so when we landed in Sierra Leone, we basically, you know, we kind of had five magazines a month and about 400 rounds for GPM geez, and that was it. Well, you know, so we got on board the helicopter we knew I mean they they attacked the Task Force Commander and told us that we were being put out on a limb. We're going to be used as bait and the idea was to entice the rebels to basically come and attack us and the idea being that we would inflict such a blow that we would kind of deter them from pushing on to the Airfield because subsequently what was happening when we were going out was that we were trying to extract British Personnel from Freetown. So while that operation of rounding them up moving them back to the air base and then put on c-130s back to to to Dakar in Senegal. We were there really to to hold on the perimeter if you were so Yeah, it was yeah, it was a little bit was an anxious time. Shall I say? Yeah, I know what I was going to be my next question. Like what was going through your mind on the helicopter on the way there knowing that the task was to sort of entice attackers and actually very highly likely going to be attacked. Yeah, the thing that the whole operation I mean, you know, we had two Chinooks. So we deployed 26 of us. We deployed on two Chinooks, but we took two pins gower's in with us. So there was a Pinzgauer in 1213 guys on one aircraft in the Pinzgauer and 13 guys on the other airframe two Chinooks. We had no Maps there was no effort to graphs. It really was a very sort of Rapid move from the UK. So, you know when you're flying a treetop level over the jungle and bearing in mind this week, it was real Mangrove the kind of impenetrable jungle. So once you wow Roth them tracked one main track running from the east of the country to the west of the country sort of a hard packed sand track about 8 meters wide, and that was the only method of movement Through the Jungle. Well, so, you know peering peering over the pilot shoulder out the cockpit and then walking down to the back of the aircraft where the Lord he's got the ramp down. You know, you're flying it, you know, 50 feet 50 feet above the top of the trees looking down thinking to yourself if it goes wrong there is nowhere to run. You know, there is no E&E. There is no movement at all other than being on the track and then obviously you you risk the fact that you know, the rebels who Had a lot of vehicles, you know, we could close you down very quickly and like leading up to this operation obviously going straight into the jungle had you done much jungle training prior to this yummy really fortunate. I mean, you know the Pathfinders at the time where you know, there's a there's a strong link to uksf. You know, there's a lot of cross training, you know, I'd been to the Jungle personally probably about eight times I think priority Playing so jungle training and as we all know that the jungle is used to really hone skills. And yeah patrolling in the jungle is kind of looked upon as the sort of hardest environmental living and if you can conduct yourself in a manner in the jungle, then in a more contemporary European environment, you know, you're you know, you find life much easier administratively physically meant to lie. No, the Perfection of your skills. So the jungle for us was was was a real regular training ground. The issue. We had AJ is that you know, the British army hadn't fought in the jungle for 40 years. We trained him go but we've never fired a shot in anger since the millea campaign Hmm Yeah, there must have been must've been quite scary at first and he was this your first sort of real sore kinetic encounter. Yeah, I mean absolutely in a week. We've done a little bit of work in Central America, you know, you know in 1999 we've been part of of agriculture in into the Balkans and then in the Macedonia, but like she said my did this was the first time where you are, you know, when basically you are at the end of that as you said at the kinetic end of contact yet well and I've just just for the listeners at home. you might understand really like the makeup of sort of like regiments of stuff that you just give us an idea of what like the Pathfinders role is and the Pathfinders are classed as as an advanced Force. So they're their role within 16 index 16 Brigade. And then at the time within three UK div was to insert 7 days ahead of any main Force the idea being to Ricky locate Ricky and secure Drop Zones or helicopter landing sites for the sort of In Lord of combat power. So to recognize Revenue Drop Zones for the Brigade or to bring in helicopters or even to look for temporary land in zones. So these are areas where C-130 aircraft can land. So I'm not talking about a room where he were talking about, you know compact hardened ground Fields anywhere at all where the c-130s can land to to bring in the bringing troops and On a usual say like let's say an average operation what distances we haven't cover from your drop off point to sort of you know in to infiltrate into where you needed to go and Ricky what sort of distances would you like usually cut carry out more stuff on most occasions. It was never it was never less than 40 to 50 kilometers. So depending how we went in so I mean the pfr trending in In all all forms of parachute in everything from static line to static line Square to sort of low-level static line up to 8,000 feet high level static line or here whore which is currently, you know, above 25,000 a trend in their military freefall above 25,000 or whichever way. We went in we generally had somewhere between 40 to 50 years to infiltrate that would be generally done over to anywhere from two to four nights. So we'd be on the ground two to four days. Then we would look at the Drop Zones and spend another further sort of 48 96 hours locating the Drop Zone re-keying it and sending back reports to the UK, you know, which obviously would then would then facilitate the entry of of the Brigade well suppose as well. You see like 40 to 50 kilometers done over possibly four nights, I guess because of the nature of what you're doing and it's you need to keep kind of like you're Behind Enemy Lines in essence and you need to keep your heads down don't usually can't afford to just cover distances quite quickly. Can you literally got to have your wits about you the whole time? I mean absolutely that you know, we're talking about, you know, we only move under the cover of Darkness. You've got four to five men in the team again, depending on the task you've got Guys carrying seven days food seven days water radios. We carried every form. We carried Satellite Communication System the time about the UK. We carry secure HF we carry secure VHF we code stick you a UHF for talking to aircraft. So we would in a patrol every man would probably have a radio then you would have an inter Patrol read your you'd have 70 years batteries. You'd have all of the observation equipment store thermal imagery, you know. Each guy would probably be carrying somewhere around 70 to 90 pounds. Wow, you know on his back we don't use tracks. So we're off the Beaten Track you're on uneven ground. You're using wood glue and you're using dead ground to maneuver and and and to push across so, you know, you're not making a lot of ground. It's bad very sort of. Training physical work doing an infiltration and the course, you know, you're watching out for enemy activity as well. And on that. What was it? Like when you first came into contact on that operation was it just endless barrage or was it like a bit of a sort of quick shooting scoot or did it just literally all hell broke loose. No, I started off as I said, you know, we we went in for two and when that passed we subsequently were then on a basis where we were just in our own minds. We were we were going to stay as long as the task force was in country. So we the contact didn't come we'd been in the jungle nine days or to them when they contacted him and it came really as a result of we thought it was a negligent discharge. I charged that somebody had got come up to the village and just took a potshot what subsequently happened from the forward Central positions relaying it back to us because we had a we had a line of defense's covering the lightly enemy approach wrote and what they've done and the rebels did crawled up the side of the track through the jungle in a drain in almost like a ditch. So if I'm at the track and campers running down the side where water would be Enough that of the hard concrete compacts and they'd managed to crawl to within about 25 metres of that fold trench. The guys had picked them up on the nvgs, but because of the Rules of Engagement Which is what we were we were Bound by at that was that you know, unless there was risk to you or you had come under contact, you know, you couldn't engage. Yeah, there was a lot of civilians moving about there was people moving into the village saw the basically the forward guy of that out of the rebels. I crawled up at kind of Nell table and fired his weapon and then in effect, he got a stoppage. So I would guys obviously at that point we come into contact risk of life, you know risk of loss of lives or the forward positions just opened up on them then, you know saw and at that point they realized what was happening and then and then like I said all hell broke loose people are we managed over the sort of eight days to prepare the ground so we got the local villages to cut back there. Jungle from our forward trenches so they did we'd opened up fields of fire. If you like. Okay, the idea being that they would have to cross open ground to get to us. We then built some obstacles in the oven ground. So, you know, we didn't have any mines or anything then we had some a few bits of plastic explosive. So we had some we had some det-cord a few detonators and sunbathe. You some PE. So we made a couple of improvised clear Mars. Yeah, we've all been tins. Yeah, I mean you'll get that as from your background. Yeah, we got the locals to to chop up bits of bamboo and they created a punji Fields across the front of us basically and like I said my at that point then you know, the whole jungle came alive, you know, we took a we were taking our PG rounds. To the trees. We were taking heavy machine gun fire from what was because we got some of them later the old like the a Peds the Russian like machine guns. So yeah, we were taking a fair amount of a fair amount of fire and obviously like this went on for some time. And I mean your team themselves. Did you did you take any any major casualties? No, nothing nothing. No, I mean what we've done is we've broken the team's up sore. At the age we were down to 25 when you were 26, we were down to 25 at that point. The platoon Commander had left saw on the ground. We had four teams spread which were basically covering the lately enemies of approach those for patrols were separated in some cases by 60 and 70 meters of jungle. So they did, you know, they've got themselves some We took trenches and like I said, we prepared for eight days. So they dug battle trenches. So all across our front edge, which at that point was probably about 500 meters from the I was sort of left of Arc through the axis, which was the track come to watch as and then through to the right of our quiz about 500 meters and then in the in the jungle opposite was, you know, we were taking we were taking fire from those positions. And I'm but I mean do you did you get an idea for what their tactics were if any or they just literally just heavily armed and just trying to smash you have everything. I think it was. Yeah, there was a little bit of I mean luckily for us. I mean and when we think back to it the tactically tactically, you know, there was a bit of naivety because if they'd of if they devote flank doesn't got behind us then, you know, we would have been cut off because There wasn't any Escape Routes. As I said that the uni plan was was back through the jungle back to longer Airfield which was 40 kilometers through a mangrove swamp. So if they had managed to get behind as and outflank us then you know, we would have been in serious danger. We just didn't have the troops on the ground to cover every possible approach row. I don't doubt you. Was there any point during that then when you I thought shit, you know, we're going to get overwhelmed here it was it possible to call in air support. Now. There wasn't any em, there was nothing available. You know, there was not the idea was that when we gone in we'd been briefed that there would have been a qrf on standby. So there would have been a platoon from one per hour on standby at the Airfield because everybody knew what was going to happen. Then you the rebels were moving Waters with there was Electronic warfare intercepts we've been on the ground now so they were picking up a lot of chatter. We were getting into updates every day. So we knew how many were coming. We knew they were headed towards us and we were told there would be a qrf available. So there would be a platoon, you know, that would that would fly out to Rescuers. So we were working on the fact that if a person was on standby, it would probably take five minutes to get them up five minutes. Too low the monetization organ 35 minutes flying time. We thought once we come into contact with that, we just have to hold out for 45 minutes maximum. We'd have to hold out for an hour. Yeah before we were before reinforcements arrived. And subsequently, you know during the contact when we send the contact with cop that you know, there was a problem with the qrf and I'm sure that's going to be one of your next questions. Well, I was going to say like well, how long has it to the actually came out? Well, they didn't come okay, or you know we call for the qrf and over the next shot a couple of hours. So we had the initial contact heavy with. It a fire we were returning fire when we gone into the jungle. I had a fifty one millimeter Mark with me like mad. Yeah, but there was no here Chien country. So I was given illumination rounds at 18 illumination round. So during the contact I'd crawled forward to the forward positions to the edge of the tree line. So I'm now looking over the Auburn area that we cook down. When I say cut down, you know, this was just clearing a little bit of the of the foliage so that we could see people moving, you know, we didn't start a thrash and burn everything. Yeah. I needed to get into a position to play the Martyr because I thought if we could illuminate them then we would be able to pick them off. Yeah, obviously I couldn't put the mantras up when I was Under The Canopy so I had to crawl to the edge of the Jungle and even then it wasn't really a good position to put them or drops. I almost had to crawl out forward of the positions where the guys were firing so that I could get the illumination rounds far enough into the air and far enough behind. And the rebels saw that they were lit up and we remained in darkness. Well, that's pretty amazing. And obviously I did you get the Rams off. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, luckily I'd going to work position. What I'd also happened is on the date of the contact for to command or were sailing from the UK on HMS ocean. Their idea was that they would do a relief in place of the one power of battle group. So we'd had raw Marine captain and fluent the jungle on the day of the contact to do a recce with the intention that they we would be relieved in that in that forward positions for he was meant to fly out in the afternoon. He was only going to be on the ground for a few hours. We then got a message that he was not going to be extracted because the helicopters were being retasked. So he Would have to stay in the jungle with those that night and as it happened, that's the night of the contact. So the the rumbling captor he basically crawled with me while the rest of our guys were fighting. I had the mortar and he crawled behind me with the bag of mortar rounds and unassisted me while I was firing the mortar. Well, actually when you actually go back to seeing is allowed to know after painting that huge contact and in that sort of jungle battle that he just pretty much walk back into Camp strutting giving it a very big bollocks about look. Where do you where we've been boys the next morning. I mean, we'll fast forward slightly to answer that question the next morning when it was all over and And under reinforcements the qrf had come he was flown out, you know back to back to washing. So he kind of left us the next morning, but no absolutely not. I mean, he subsequently gone on to have an amazing career. He's also been awarded the MC himself. He's all be a you know, he was her, you know a Real Testament has so the sort of command or Spirit, you know. Yeah. Yeah Hunter. Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see a lot with my own brother. My brother's based the pool. Yeah. Yeah. No, it will see we talk about stuff like this all the time and it's yeah, they've got some fantastic fantastic gentleman in the Commandos are there real great bunch of lads? I think what the I think what it what it does what it what were the highlights is that across the Fox as we're just adaptable in the he's a guy there that's commandment guys for the you know for four hours and then he's in a gun battle and then he flies out the next morning, you know, so I think it's just that sort of you know, and we talked about it. I you know, when I talk about it with Business Leaders and spots leaders and educational leaders now it is that sort of interoperability. Yeah makes the military all of our three services, you know so good that confidence that comes from self-belief self-determination, you know that drive that confidence in your own ability that that when you are dropped into such an alarming position that you can just very quickly turn your mind to the task at hand and and get on with it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm certain it's a lot of Americans that I I spoke to over the years. I've said a very similar thing is that like especially within our forces where we're trained to cover everything really like being a royal engineer. For example, you know, you've got a soldier first the combat engineer second and a Tradesman and the Specialists and it's in the American Army. They'll have this that big they'll literally have a guy who's a specialist is Building Bridges and that's all he'll do. so when it comes to like say adaptability the Americans have always been very fond of like how just how good we are at that and I always have been yeah, I mean, yeah, and and like I said that you know that what we do so well is and I don't think any other Armed Forces do it and having worked in seen with the vast majority of them is that we thrive on Mission command. Yes. What so that decentralization of decision-making saw, you know anyone from a private Soldier to you know, the section Commander the between command anybody you know is Is capable of making decisions in the moment because they are there they are on the ground the other one that's exposed to the problem, you know sort they making tactical decisions on the ground based on what they can see what they can hear you what they can smell you know, and which is in line with the with their commanders intention on and we have that that decision making is you know is passed down to every rank. Ink Yeah Yeah a hundred percent. Obviously, you're talking earlier about parachuting. So obviously when you join the forces noticed Pathfinders isn't something you can just jump right in to excuse the pun. Your everyone has to start off in some form of sort of regiment or Battalion 1st you join the parachute regiment back in 1986. Yes, I joined when I get 6 and spent so I joined up in July 8th, six Innings and spent six months in junior para. I mean I was I was only 16 and a half when I joined up so I did six months in junior para. And then the way that Junior para worked back then was at the end of your six months training you then joined the team that was going through adult training at a certain point within that I mean when I went into my adult adult platoon when they were in week four, so I done six months and you when you power and dad again, so it almost took me 10 months to pass out of training only because that's just the way jr. Parish you do you six months and then you join adult recruit platoon, so I joined them at week 4 Well, I'm going on from there. Where did you serve with during that time for you to join the Pathfinders? And so I went to 3 para kind of I think it was April 87. So almost immediately went straight over seas to Cyprus on on an exercise, which was great. And then I think it was the Beginning of 89 we went out to Belfast. So I was in Belfast with three pair of for a year and then left left them at the end of 89 Christmas time to do PF selection. So I went through playoff selection the beginning of January 1990 was when the course started selection part brilliant and how long was your military career in total? Not counting my junior para service because that's just for the queen like you're here doing that. I did 15 years. Well, I mean it's significant is a significant amount of time. I did 15 years myself and upon leaving the military you went to work for the UAE government. Yeah, what happened was I mean, you know, I took the decision to leave to leave the Army shortly after we came back from Sierra Leone, you know, I just felt the time my time to leave was then so I left in March of 2001 and pretty pretty much instantly. I was offered a job in London a good friend of mine was running was honest. 18 in London, so I ended up pretty much jumping straight out of the military and straight into a job in London, and it was while I was going to work in London one day walking, you know. Walking down Parkland towards the detector going into work and you know and and and the you know, 9/11, you know, the the, you know, the thing that changed the world forever. Yeah, I was actually going into work that day and seeing it on the news and within about three days of that happening again. I was in a job in London, no problem at all. You know. Everyone's watching it on the news. I got a phone call from another. A friend who'd been into parenting done things into Power Patrol Z done some work on the Pathfinders. He then had a job out in the UAE and he emailed me and said look make they're looking for somebody like you with your skill sets. You know, we all know what's coming. What do you think? So I said, okay great. So three weeks later. I'd resign from the job in London three weeks later. I was out in the UE. Well basically as a contractor Yeah, so it was a private military contracts or your so at the time you are given a contract and you become a military advisor. So I went out straight into there into the Special Operations Command and was responsible for everything from we you know, we looked at training we design training syllabus has we looked at Cost training plans. We devised training. And we established and set up the training then we run the training, you know in you know in conjunction with a UAE officer counterpart. So the idea was that we were mentoring overseeing training mentoring and getting them into a position where they could run it themselves. But that's brilliant and It's Just Another War another place that British Personnel of sorry, you know helped out. Yeah, the wider government agencies and armies like a pretty much all over the world helping in gate and engaging with them to sort of like improve improve their strategies and it's this office has been very effective as an it over the last like well, yeah for several decades now, Yeah, I mean, you know British service Personnel, you know from from whatever their background are in great demand and and it is widely accepted that I was sort of take on on what training should look like how we how we modulate training how we you know, how we are constantly driving standards High the fact that we you know, we will press on and on and on until it till it's right. I think I would discipline our Set our overall approach to to war fighting in every level. So if it's not full kinetic conflict, it's cotton operations. It's p support operations, you know, we've been exposed to pretty much everything and the fact that one instructor may be able to deliver every single one of those areas because he or she will have will have done. On a coin operation a piece of part operational have been involved, you know in kinetic operations, you know, we have a great understanding, you know of all operations other than War. Yeah, if you like yeah and it's a is if things are that we talked about that is another big reason why countries like Australia and New Zealand are very keen to Employee British service Personnel, you know even once they've done their full 22-year career to transfer over to their forces because or even if they've done like 12 years and there are certain ranks like Corporal Sergeant was there often short of an error armies because it works out hell of a lot cheaper and more efficient for them to pretty much instead of putting somebody from day one through training all the way through to that rank. It's actually what cheaper and efficient to pick up a Corporal size of the British army has got a lot of operational experience and is already fully trained in all those areas to then pay for them to come over to their country putting the house and you know with their family stuff that is actually a hell of a lot cheaper and a lot better for them there not many cases. Yeah may know and why wouldn't you have mean if you look at the benefits, I mean if I was if I was considering setting up a training Wing, you know, I would be looking around. Like I said for for expiration Personnel knowing for a fact that you know, if you look at what we've been involved in, you know, everything, you know, I mean obviously post post second world war all the way through, you know Crimea and then, you know our experience in southern Ireland and we've got the Falklands we've got desert experience. We've got jungle experience, you know, we were part of part of the you know, the flank protection out in the Arctic. So there's nothing that we haven't done. You wouldn't think that room when why wouldn't you bring people out, you know and list them into your military get them working in a training Wing get them out in the unit's depositing them within these units to you know to talk through about you know, how you conduct those kind of operations for me would be a no-brainer. Yeah, exactly. Like just like said, it's an absolute no-brainer and and off the back all that experience you gains both obviously in the Pathfinders and and working for government over in UAE. Did you harness all that experience and then basically put it into the work that you do now is an established motivational keynote speaker and delivering sort of leadership and management training all over the country. Yeah, I mean, you know, I can't sort of came back from the ue4 for and a bit years ago. You know, my brother. There was a professional football. I saw I kind of was around Elite Sport, you know, and he was a Premiership footballer play for England. So I was around Elite Sport all the time and I saw the sort of similarities in you know, in that sort of ethos those those values both on a personal. Well level and then being part of a collective that is performing at the peak level, you know standards of Fitness. We're talking about mental in physical resilience about being able to overcome adversity coming back from setbacks and injuries. You know, that strong mindset. What is it like to be part of a high performing team, you know 11 people on the pitch doing battle. So it was a natural fit for me. So I Dodo, you know giving my own voice in my experience to the to the to the FAA to the league Managers Association. I've worked you know and a half. I have an I currently am working, you know with Premiership football clubs one of which in in the top six, we're looking at the Academy the development of Youth. So how we sort of invest in the youth especially when they're moving into you know into sport that so demanding we're talking about Ellen Drive, determination, you know that that creating that winning spirit that ethos so it was a natural fit it is and it's a lot of lot of sports teams looking towards like the military and obviously experienced people within the military sort of come in and deliver sessions. I've on-site or within their sort of training facilities just because of the Parents they bring from all those outside experiences themselves because it's something that these Sports people haven't really experienced themselves just to take that kind of those leadership qualities to the next levels. It says it is really good idea. Obviously like you got gasps. Okay II the England team to go visit the Royal Marines before hasn't he? Yeah, you know and it's only I think it's only now that not only is it Elite spot but corporate Enterprises, you know, and again I do a lot of with business and I do equally as much with schools. I do quite a lot of with skills and it is now, you know, it's that acceptance of of the core values that the military that we have. You know that sort of, you know determination in Great trust honesty resilience, you know all of those things now that big business was scared of the military education was scared of the military, but it was because they were naive to what we are, you know to what we are shown what we are exposed to and how we can bring their Indie into the world, you know our understanding of planning. Rapidly develop engine sees how we communicate effectively how we work as a team towards. You know find the Pacific Common Enterprise, you know how we Mentor people and bring them and develop Talent, you know, it's they are real, you know, real drivers now in sport business, you know, whatever it may be the Performing Arts education. It's a there's such a vast array of people that you work with. It's absolutely amazing like and out of all the groups of people you work with. These are certain sort of area or niche of people that you would say are like top drawer. I mean each each particular sort of sector has its own has its own challenges in its its own demands. I mean for me, I love working with education. I mean, I developed a program to work with children aged 11 to 16 who on the risk on the edge of permanent exclusion from the in-stream school. So they were disengaged with the classroom. They were disruptive there was behavioral issues, you know. Oh and it came down to basically, you know in some areas a lack of self-discipline a lack of focus. I like of ambition, you know, they'd lost self-belief, you know, they can stay away for themselves. Excuse me. So the military for the program I developed was to go into schools and working on. How do we improve aspirations out? Give back to people that motivation to succeed. I'll do we give back determination that self confidence that comes from, you know, being able to engage actively in a conversation to develop, you know, a lecture themselves and stand up in front of a group of their peers and teachers and deliver a five minute presentation to go out onto the field and participate in a sport activity that required teamwork communication skills, you know that whole ethos of no one gets left behind. Yeah, and and you know at the point at which they were they were coming to me, it's almost that there are a lost cause yeah, and that's not true. We just need to find a way of getting in. Yeah, of course and obviously they I was like great challenges going to all different schools. And that what would you say working with schools in particular with is the greatest challenge working with people of that age? It is getting them. It is sort of getting them to to leave the perception behind that everyone's forgot about them. And why should I bother because everyone's given up on me and you know in the area's I'm working, you know, there's areas of high unemployment people see that there's no hope that they're stuck in a rut that they're you know that they'll have to accept The cards they've been dealt and why should I have an education why you know, it hasn't helped anyone. So it's changing that mindset, you know, given them back that confidence that belief aspirations follow your dream means, you know that Warrior spirit that we all possess that you can achieve anything with four Curtis Drive determination. You know that the anything is possible in just don't give up on yourself. Yeah. I think the more people who can go into schools. I'm sure the listeners would agree, especially the in UK and more people can go into schools and deliver that kind of message to you know, try and Empower people of that, you know young age to show them that you know, everybody can be the best they can be and show them what slippery slope looks like. And hopefully get the message across as many of them as possible, you know, even if you are even if you're helping a handful of people, you know, you do it you're doing a great job on you. Well, my belief is if you can turn one life around yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean, but yeah, the more the merrier and and again I use my I use my sort of background mean I was brought up in the in the heartland of the industrial Northeast of England, you know, and it was difficult. I wasn't particularly Ahmad academic at school. I kind of Stole my eggs in the basket with the military. I knew what I wanted to do from when I was 13 PSI was driven and focused so that to that end but you know, so I use the fact that I didn't leave school with any real academic qualifications, but I've spent the last 30 years and countless thousands of pounds trying to make up for that, you know try and do re educate myself and put myself back in in in in it in a competitive. Zones, you know to so it is saying that you know, don't don't give it all the way now. She'll spend the rest of your life trying to make it up. Yeah, and like you just pretty much hit the nail on the head there in and what the podcast all about which was why I was really Keen to get you on, you know, you've literally grab the bull by its horns and went out there to become the best version of yourself because of the journey that you've been on and you could click, you know, see where you want it to be. Yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't have a plan B. I mean there was no such concept back, you know, so I kind of like I said put my eggs in the basket, but you know, it was hard and it was a struggle and we've all been in the military, you know, and and then at every point in the military I did I wanted to be better. You know, I wanted to be in the Pathfinders I wanted to do with the things, you know, I spent a lot of time with J tan trials development parachute in you know, pushing the Trees of new Concepts new ideas and now, you know trying to educate myself because you know, I think as you get older The Thirst in that quest for knowledge and trying to be better, you know, it's still there. I know I feel it every day. Yeah, that's absolutely absolutely spot-on and I'm exactly the same. Person, you know like every day I wake up and I'm like, what can I do today? That is just a slight bit better than yesterday. It doesn't mean you know, I have to add 10 kilos to a bench press or anything, you know such significant, but I mean something as simple as just making a decision that's slightly different to what you would have done the day before which gives you a better outcome. Yeah, well, I mean a hundred percent. I mean, you know, I was lucky. I was fortunate. I got the opportunity to do the books, you know, and that gave me a thirst, you know, I know you know, I'm now thinking right put pen to paper trying to develop, you know, a serialization, you know, using my military experiences and using my Mayock subsequent experience to develop characters soy it is that you know you Like right if I've done it once I can do it again this time it can be better. So it is it is about about pushing forward, you know, and and also it's the Gratitude of what life in the military gave me, you know, it's been incredible. I mean, I take great pride in my appearance we all do we still polish our shoes. We still make our own beds. We still you know sew buttons on we still I you know what? Laws, which old washing machine. So we're still we're still living and we in with that tremendous Foundation that was given to was and that's what I'm trying to pass on to children as well. You know that I work with its independence self-reliance, you know at some point you're going to have to step away from your home life. And if you prepare now, you know, the shock of capture is going to be far less when you if you can look after yourself. Feed yourself wash your own clothes wash yourself. Take care of your personal belongings. It sets us up for Life. Yeah hundred percent and I'm going to have to look around my hotel room. Now the way it's where I'm staying up at the Northeast and the the cleaners must have come into my room this morning and left of the massive smile on our face because my room is absolutely spotless before I left Tyrion to go to this event. So they're exactly that The military inside isn't it got made my bed measure. It was straight everything resigned. Yeah, absolutely that what last one I still question Steve before before we wrap on the show just to top off of see all the amazing like sort of inspiration and Nuggets that you've given us. I asked this of every single one of my guests and the answers always very but I think it's a fantastic question and it really really gets the guests of like thinking we've got an imaginary time sheet. Machine and you're allowed to send a little Post-It note in there with a couple of bullet points back in time to 15 year old Steve what bullet points would you send back in time to your 15 year old self? And I'd have two columns. I think I'd have in the air column would be continue what you're doing. I wouldn't give myself the answer whether I was going to get in the Army on I would just say continue what you're doing. Okay, and then in the B column, I'd see it, but don't forget your studies. Because for me as I said, I put every egg in the basket, I didn't have a plan B. I need collected my study. I laughed and joked about it and Skip lessons and played true and you know went back home that night and in a run around the block and you know, I bought a backpack bot desert boots and but dr. Martin Boots and went running, but you know, I have my studies were Forsaken and I'd say to myself stay with plan a it's working. But don't forget yet the academic side of life because it's took me 30 years to correct their mistakes. Yeah, absolutely. Fantastic and I like the columns thing. None of the guests of actually use columns before it's very much. This has been nice trick bullet points at school and I hear exactly what you're saying. I speak to so many people now that are having to redo exams especially maths to just get to where they want to get because it's like that Pinnacle Point in their career, but they need certain qualifications first gets the next level and they all said the same thing shit. I wish I'd like, you know screwed another school got my head. It's pretty much the same thing. Every single person says. Yeah, I mean I think you know that education, you know competition. I mean when I was growing up competition academically wasn't sore wasn't looked upon because you know again from the industrial Heartland of the Northeast you had two choices you went into the steel industry went into the chemical industry and the majority of people I went to school with did either or some did both wear but now the world Is so competitive it's or it's evolved. It's changing. It's fast. It's very Dynamic, you know, so even with with significant educational qualification just it's still a heck of a fight. Yeah, and I think now the the stress and that and the pressures that are placed on young people at school is significant Now, isn't it? Yeah, it really is and just just in general knowledge and the things you need to know now as youngsters quite quite significant to what we had to know when we were younger. Absolutely. I mean, I'm I'm probably about another half a term or it's him away from being no longer able to help my 12 year old daughter because she's gone beyond what I know in mathematics, you know, I've got about another six months left in me. And then I'm and then I've reached my limit of exploitation. I think yeah, but Masters always the very much my strong point in still is but like science. I like I leave that to my wife. Because she is an absolute science boffin and has worked in education in science for a number of years up until recently. So my my son's very much turns to her when it comes to stuff up. Yeah, get to play to your strengths - yeah, exactly. Well Steve it's been actually remarkable typing on the show, especially if you share your story with the listeners about that heroic battle you had in Sierra Leone when it when times are at their worst out there. Thank you so much for coming and sharing that and sharing about everything you're doing right now. I think is absolutely amazing that you're going into schools. As well as obviously with military departments and corporate sort of corporate area to you know to share your wisdom wisdom and like help people improve on their leadership skills management skills and just the general characters as a whole. I think it's absolutely remarkable. And yeah, I've really really, you know, like to thank you for taking the time out to join us on the show today. It's been it's been a pleasure and obviously to reciprocate, you know, The stuff that you're doing as well and you know, there's some great stuff out there, you know that motivation that getting people to be better versions of themselves to sort of, you know to Never Surrender their value. So it's great work as well what you're doing here. Thanks Steve. I really appreciate that guys girls there you have it. I really hope you enjoyed the show. I really hope you took away a load load of gold and information that Steve is shared with you and you really enjoyed. His is a fantastic story about especially about what happened in Sierra Leone those few years ago. If you want to read more about it, obviously get into Steve's books. I'll be sure to put them in the show notes as well as if you'd like to contact Steve. I'll put all his website details in the show notes as well. Ladies and gents, if you enjoyed the show, please take the time out to leave a five star review. 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It's May 2000, Sierra Leone - Just 26 Pathfinder soldiers were dropped into a remote jungle village, expected to be a simple 48-hour operation. This wasn't to be the case and very soon became a fierce 16-day siege against 2000 rebel attackers and facing certain death! For his leadership and actions during the battle, Steve Heaney MC was awarded the Military Cross, becoming the first Non Commissioned Officer in the unit’s history to receive this decoration and at just twenty he was the youngest ever member of X-Platoon. Today on The Best Version Of You show, Steve recalls what he was feeling leading up to this infamous battle and how he fought tooth and nail to get him and his colleagues out of it........ when help was not coming! This battle lead to Steve's first book Operation Mayhem and his subsequent book; X Platoon. Nowadays Steve travels the UK running leadership and management sessions varying from large schools to elite sports teams including national level. Steve teaches what it really means to be the best version of yourself and why the pursuit of personal development is so important in which ever walk of life you may live. You can find Steve mainly on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-heaney-mc-43267526/ and via his website for enquiries: www.xplatoon.com ** If you enjoyed today's episode please take the time to leave a 5* review. It really helps the show reach more and more people each week and the inspirational messages our fantastic guests have to share. Thank you!

Hello everyone. This is Jared Addison. And it's a pleasure to have you listening in today. Welcome to the Olay brand podcast for those who have no background on me. I'm the founder of Olay brand which has been created to provide you with the best content in the freestyle scootering industry in case you were unfamiliar with my riding and dedication. I have towards growing the sport. I welcome you to view my best scootering video part available on YouTube titled Joy. Adelson web it at 5 on the podcast. I'll be having casual it deep conversations with the top scooter riders on the planet and interesting individuals around the world. This podcast has been developed to show The Human Side of riders beyond their incredible talents and will deliver tools habits Lessons Learned in tactical advice from individuals around the world with the hopes of motivating and inspiring entertaining and providing. I will incite for you listening in today. My guest for today is an absolute Legend of scooter riding in without a doubt. One of these Sports Pioneers The Man Dan Baer Dan Hills from America and is one of the most influential writers of all time. Dan is one of the most technical writers to ever touch a scooter performing countless combos that essentially no other Rider on Earth is even capable of dreaming of Dad was a part of the original proteam having a part in one of scootering is most legendary full-length videos the Proto Catalyst. Dan is truly one of the pioneers of freestyle scooter riding in America and has been incredible Ambassador promoting our sport to the youth four more years and I've even been riding Dan is over 50,000 followers on Instagram, but much more importantly than that has had an everlasting impact on our Sport and inspired countless individuals around the world. Dennis worked and road for Phoenix prosecutors for over eight years and has recently parted ways this past week from Phoenix today. We'll be diving into this and lots more be sure to find down on Instagram at Den back. So without further Ado, let's get right into it by welcoming the man himself Dan Bear. Yeah. Thanks for talking me out man. Absolutely. I'm super stoked to have you on Den. It's going to be a going to be really good on think. Yeah, cool. Yeah, so let's get right into it and just let's start by getting some background like tell us where you grew up and how long you been riding and how you started scooter. Yes, I grew up in the suburbs of Philly. It's a town called Levittown about 30 40 minutes from Center City, Philadelphia and Yeah, I got a scooter for Christmas around the year 2000. So technically I guess and started riding 2001 one. Yeah, just kind of riding an old a razor set up. My brother's got some scooters from the Boardwalk in Atlantic City prior to that. So, you know, I wanted one really bad because of that. So I was riding with my brother's grown up. That's some other kids around town like Kevin vanocur around gets there's some some Riders who also tried out for micro back in the early days. Kevin vanocur was on micro with me. And then yeah from there got a sponsor with micro around 2006 seven ish and then Yeah, then comes comes razor got on razor with a little sponsor tape the sent it to Ali. I did a little Hank five in Philly. There's like a median in between two roads who's dead of winter ahead like my big ass jacket on big gloves. And then the first trip when I met up with with Ali and razor in California that flew me out around 2008 2009 for an SD comp Ali showed it to me. Actually had the clip saved on his desktop and he's like dude I watch this all the time because he comes from a skateboarding background. He's really technical. So I guess he really appreciated that aspect of my riding and then you have racer definitely definitely got me like concreted into the industry because there is a VHS tape from Toys R Us that they sold called Evolution once I pop that in and saw What scootering was capable of it was it was all history from there got on Proto around 2010 or not 2010. That's when the first full-length came out. I was on Proto probably around 2008 2009 after razor which didn't last too long. And then yeah from their Road for razor or for Proto for a few years and got the opportunity to write for Phoenix which then so basically my whole sort of Hobby aspect to it to to a career side of it which was like a stepping stone for me to get out of the plumbing. We're getting kind of just like live the dream for a while. Yeah, and then fast forward eight plus years later. I'm parting ways with Phoenix and I still have my other sponsors that are You know huge huge foundations in the sport which will last a lifetime. So I think you know just finding out the details and you know, debug and everything that's been that's been happening over the years and sort of just mainstream and my riding and also back into my trade work, which is Plumbing. So, I'm really Giggling what's going on? Yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. Yes it before before we get into Phoenix or anything. I'd like to just you know, kind of hear a little bit more about your early days when you did start riding like so you said you're riding with Kevin vinegar and some other guys like Alan gets my brother. There was a ton of other Riders. We had a little crew called demolition we made love. Video part with our little mini DV video cameras, I don't know where those are at now. But yeah those guys stopped riding over a decade ago. So yeah started out with a little crew called demolition and the dream was the always, you know, get on a razor or micro. So when when a sponsorship opportunity came up micro is a good posture Clive u.s. Riders and There's dozens of sponsor tapes and me and Kevin vanocur now gets all made one. We're all from the same town. And I know Matt Ogle actually tried out a few times. But yeah, Kevin and I got on micro. We got a few packages. Matt Andres was the sort of the TM because he would get all the packages sent to him that Andres would then send it to us. And that's how I did Transit because Matt Hendricks is from Wisconsin. His older brother John Andres is a BMX rider. He used to do a few shows on his BMX bike. And yeah, so that's when I went out to Wisconsin as well. I was on micro at the time and we filmed a full-length DVD where we're just traveled from skatepark the skate park around Wisconsin and yeah eventually transit to came out which I wasn't a part of but I still have a few of those copies of Transit one just Oh sweet. Well, yeah, so I've actually never seen the transit one. So I think I'm going to have to somehow find that around that that yeah, it's on YouTube. Yeah. Okay cool. You'll have to send me that link and I'll link in the show notes for anyone who wants to watch that. Yeah, so but when you started writing who was there too? Who did you look up to like who is writing before you you know, how did you find the inspiration to? To do all the things you do and came up with you know, all those ideas. Absolutely a man that uh, that's a good point because I didn't bring up the main dude who's sort of he showed me scooter resources name is John mattes, and so I'm riding around town with with Kevin vanocur. We're hitting a bunch of schools and Ledges were filming for demolition. And this kid John Maddox comes up with like a bolted pro model not pro model at the time, but it was an a like an old a and he just shows up and we're just like it all of his scooter and he's hitting this force their hand rail. He's doing like double tail UPS off the ledge and it was amazing because we're just like, you know, we were so isolated just riding him and I and John Madison comes into our life and he just Rates on a small piece of paper like scuderi source.com. Check it out. We didn't we checked it out. And then we linked up with John. I feel like me and Kevin were sort of like corn balls at the time because like in John Madison sighs because we were doing one foot manuals like as many parking spaces as we can. We're playing scoot with John and John's like, oh you can't hop in your fakies. You can't do one foot man. That's called a wheelie. So like we were like younger kids and I guess we didn't come off as as cool as as he was because he has been on scooter resource for A little while before we were and he was also on a crew called the Philly crew and then I met the rest of the Filly crew which was Mike McGowan Casey Murphy Brian Boston who invented the bride flip and they're out of Philly. So I think the first time I met him was at EIC compa 2006 which I won best trick with like a scooter fakie nose blonde. I think I also won that That best trick contest because nobody else landed their best trick, but I also did a little something different that not everybody who's used to and yeah from there they would they would come and come from Levittown. Like they would come from Northeast Philly to Levittown to come pick me up to ride like we'd go to Jersey skate parks because they were all free food go the you know, the suburbs of Philly were like Street Banks is an iconic Park and the Philly Crew videos. Those we go to Philly out also tell my mom like yeah, I'm a ride around town all day. I'll be back because you know, I was like 14 15 years old. My mom wasn't let me like driving somebody's car that she didn't know all around Jersey and all around PA. So I kind of extended the truth with my mom. And from there. They would take me around we started filming for the Philly crew. I didn't get it. Featured in the first Philly crew until like TPC 7. So they had been laying the groundwork for the Philly crew way before I met them. Yeah, and also remember like me and Kevin made our own TPC shirts without like asking them so that First Tee I see contests were we're just here repping TPC and I guess technically we weren't on the Philly crew yet. No, so when Brian in Boston case Murphy walked in and they had some beef with with us kind of claiming that we're on the Philly crew wrapped in the Philly crew, but it was all good because within a little while we were a part of the crew and in the DVDs and whatnot. Crazy, so tell me more a little bit more about like around you know, what year was that you found the school resource. And then also like when you did find the scooter resource, like tell me a little bit about how that change your I guess outlook on scootering and if you're able to, you know find maybe some external inspiration other than those clothes, you know products physics. Right. Sorry, I'd have to guess around 2005 though back on scooter resource and see when I joined as a member. Yeah. Yeah, but that's that's a good that's rough enough. That's perfectly fine. Yeah, 2005 and it was like amazing going on this website and seeing scooter riders around the world like your Toady Donovan's Martin Campbell was a huge inspiration for me and still is he would do like downside front scooter flips on banks? He would do like over 500 s or ice picks whatever you want to call it, especially back then on little spines in his driveway, and it was just amazing going on scooter resource seeing video of the week seeing clip of the week. Seeing like Rider of the year, which I think I was like overall best Rider of the year in 2009 on scooter resource. So yeah, just like around 2005 got on scooter resource. Huge connection network of scooter riders around the world just on one website where I was uploading videos every week filming myself. Like there's a little spot of top my street called the mortuary back. It was like a funeral home just a little curves long manual pad. Just put my camera down fill myself to go home couldn't wait to like put it up in the put it up on the website. Everybody like gives me feedback. So like I hit the ground running once I found scooter, Because it was like, you know, just like every man for themselves show each other what they got? Yeah. It was just it was motivational and like humbling at such an early age. It's amazing. It's so cool to hear and then you know, I'm sure it's also probably very rewarding your, you know, maybe you didn't realize at the time or maybe you did but like, you know, too that there's a community around the world and seeing that this is you know, something that people do other than just you know, The few few guys here able to know close by but so I'm sure that you'll apply some motivation as well. Yeah, so tell us about like your perspective on the evolution of scootering you've seen from sort of their days you began routing to now like get did you ever expect that our sport would get to this point today? I guess not because I never actually thought about it as a sport or like it is huge Community because like I said, I got in it at such an early age that like they're still kids that age or even younger getting it into the sport or the industry now, so I guess we're being on the Forefront of that wave for me. It's like sort of all I know so it's like I'm still doing it because that's what I've been doing since such an early age when I it wasn't so many younger kids than me doing it. So it was like I'm getting older. I'm still getting older. I'm still getting older. I'm still doing it, but people are still coming in under underneath us underneath me. So it's like I just feel like it keeps growing and keeps getting stronger. It's a huge Foundation because I'm almost every young kid in America like gets a scooter at some point including me so it's like What do they do with it? Do they go in the freestyle aspect of they just do it for fun? Do they keep it in the garage? And it collects dust? So it's I think the scooter is just like a sweet like tool for people to express have fun. And then, you know, they can build on that. They can nowadays. You have your YouTube channels. They it's pretty much the same thing as scooter resource and it in a different way. It's just then the filming themselves and sharing it around the world because cuz we can all relate on this on this one thing that we ride. So it's I don't know if I answered your question directly those those those amazing answer. Absolutely. Yeah. No, you're great. Yeah, so, you know, but before we get any further, I know all our listeners are dying to know could you tell us more about a bit what happened with Phoenix? How come you left? Yeah, it's not something I you know something like I was dying to do or wanted to do it with something more like the Riders and I because all the Riders. Yeah, we all know I was team manager for years and I was friends and close homies with all the team manager before that all the way from like the first team manager, so I sort of helped build up that team so For me, it was almost like even if I didn't have that role as a team manager, I sort of felt obligated that that was my team almost then like connect with them and communicate with them. So whatever happens with the owners, there's not a lot of communication to you know to those Riders and these Riders this is there. This is their life. That's like what they they live in sleep and breathe so, When things change with the company whatever that may be financially decisions with products the team what's most important for them? Maybe not be like the same for us. So yeah, so things sort of changed from Corporation aspects from the owner down and it wasn't so great for us to continue riding for him because it wasn't going to sort it. There was no opportunity for us to continue. Growing or give back to the company. So we were sort of like at this stand still for a while waiting for things to change and grow and to the company and especially invest back in the industry and it wasn't happening up to our standards. As you know, as a writer. You just don't want to sit around and promote something and just get free products that you don't like or have no no input on, you know from the early days. We had lots of input on the product, but once once rolls Change as owners and decisions change and what's priority it's the and they change over time which wasn't best for us to continue representing that brand so, you know, it's all good while we left like no hard feelings. It's just something we had to do and you know, we just couldn't continue riding to promote and a brand that's sort of Not doing much, you know what I mean? And we've been we've held it out for so long that it's like it's worth our while to sort of go through those hard times. But those hard times just sort of like an art in our eyes it was hard times for the owners as it was just it is what it is. It's business. It's part of the portfolio. It's part of growing a business. They're operating on bank loans. Like I don't want to get too much into details, but it's just like You know core Riders who like Express and loved riding so much when it becomes about the dollar. I mean, of course it needs to be about the dollar to operate but when when it's not translating to all the Riders of like You know when like the owners not translating all this to the Riders, it's me, but I'm not being paid or or appreciated for this role. It's sort of just like it kind of vanished of like what are we even doing? What do we represent? And so for us to make it worth our time and while it's just we had to go somewhere else or just leave totally so whatever happens that company it's all good for them. But for us, It's we had to leave that in the past. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much for sharing Dan. And you know, I think it's definitely important that you know, you take the steps to you know represent what's best for you and you know, if they're not able to, you know meet the standards that you got you and you know, the Rogers deserve and if don't have the same Mission, you know, no reason to pack it. I think it's amazing that you guys all did it together rather than you know, one person leaving slowly at a time and then everyone else, you know, kind of just waiting on Taking things to happen. But really we're just kind of being taken advantage of in the end. Yeah, man, because if I were to just leave by myself, it's like you have so many riders. Like Jason tri-d will Judy Cassie pale and Vermette and a few others that are just like no communication with the owner. So it's like if I were to leave their just left in the dark Frank doesn't even know. I was trying not to call names out. But the owner name is Frank regardless. So no hard feelings at all. It's just I'm not trying to leave the riders that I put on the team that I scouted out worked with her over the years, even though I'm not in the team manager position now, I felt obligated because it felt like my team so, you know, we all did it together. We all agreed not a lot of riders wanted to do it. There's also Sten he's from Man Czech Republic or one of those countries over there? Yeah. Sorry. No, but he was huge and it's like Dan Schmidt like Frank doesn't know any of these Riders. So it's like they'll continue riding and representing the product that's been in the market for shit man. I on decks been out since 2010. We haven't had a new deck since wow, I've worked with Engineers I've worked with the factory and I can only do so much because you know, they're the owners and they they cut the checks and you know, I can only say so much of what we want to do and what we can do but it comes down to their decision. So I'm getting the knows. I'm getting the the direction that they want to go in and I have to relay this to the Riders and I wasn't just trying to leave Cooper wasn't just trying to leave without telling all this to the Riders and Give them the chance to say hey, you can stay on do what you want to email friend. Tell him to get you know, introduce yourself. You guys get used to each other but not really going to go anywhere anytime soon because you know, look examples the past then I don't think things are changing any time soon. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, I personally want to thank you and I think like the industry should thank you for you now taking that taking on that like role and responsibility. I guess, you know to you know, advise these Rogers because you know, they're they're just riding the scooter. I don't think you know, they don't they don't question these things as much maybe potentially. I can't save her, you know anyone individually, but you know, I think you as the older the older guy, you know, the team manager like it is your team. I think that's that's that's pretty damn fair, and I'm happy that you You know, we're looking out for all the guys and probably much much better that everyone left in the lung. For the each Rider and you know for part of the industry as a whole and then hopefully everyone is able to you know, get some more opportunities and if not, you know, it's all good. It's just, you know, rather scooter and enjoy. Yeah, man, and that's what you're seeing more of just these Riders off the their Phoenix and they're just they're enjoying the ride more just because it's like, you know not worried about representing a brand and like trying to try to make somebody happy that they don't even know so Like, you know, I feel like it's way better for them and it's a weight lifted off of their chest as well. Just going back to the roots and just riding having fun and maybe even like looking for new sponsors. I'm sure yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, so, you know get into this much or as little as you'd like, but could you could you tell us a little more of like some of the company changes over time that you know slowly like You know change the mission of what Phoenix was doing and how it you know. I don't know. It's see. I mean like there's a change of owners which which some unfortunate events happened with the old owner like health reasons and just personal reasons that he had to stop. And you know, I moved out the Portland for marketing manager marketing director position with Phoenix. So for me just being a rider on the east coast to then move it out to Oregon to actually have an office job in ride. That was sweet. You know what I mean? Like and then someone fortunate events happened owners switched. We were sort of a standstill in this gray area for a while new owner came on board with some new missions. Which were sweet it was like a blessing in disguise at the time because I got the open up in a retail shop in Portland called The Divided so that was the new Venture for me had employees there. I was riding on top of that managing the team managing the product getting made with the factory in China working with the Distributors to get that product and marketing material out there. And yeah, it just was it was best for I guess somebody else. Sort of take that office job because I wanted to focus on the writing more. So I took a step back from from being in the office 40 plus hours a week and also quote unquote being compensated for my riding. So that's also when I picked up Aztec because I felt like I was riding and working for Phoenix so much that my riding was sort of put on the back burner so I picked up a sec also being On on Phoenix. So that was almost an Avenue for me to to ride more and to express more for my writing. So I guess what I got on Aztec drops with the marketing job Jake her she picked all that up because he was already in the office doing sales and website work and back and work with the websites and Logistics. So it sort of made sense for that. But you know, you can only be spread so thin just like when I was doing everything there was things fall through the cracks at the owner. realize I was doing or thought it wasn't important but I felt like it was to wear Jake's doing all this on top of his other 40 plus our job that he already had So eventually that sort of got spread so thin that it wasn't important to even have a team manager to even focus on products because the owners will do that and once Jake left with that, it's just it was like a trickle effect of like what's most important for for the brand and But the old owner Tom it was so passionate. It was so like, you know Court to the blood of like what matters to okay, what makes more sense logistically and you know, I think with that trickle effect, we're here we're here all leaving Phoenix and now you can see Phoenix is sort of you know, whoever whatever they do what the company will see what they do from this outcome, but just a long trickle effect of of this small changes with the dolls. Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, so you said that you started up The Divide? The divider the rod divide. I'm sorry. Okay, / it was the Divide shop. But well, yeah ride by dividing job. There was a few different names for there's an Instagram name. That was different. Yeah, so did Unix did they help you get that set up it was that part of something that they want to do. Is that your own sort of initiative mission. It was with turnstile Brands which units so the Divide we thought it was good for us to open. Years ago like I'm sorry Dan, the the connection was a little bit bad there. I don't know if you could possibly just step back and just tell us tell us from the beginning. Yeah. So the turnstile Brands is the one who owns the scooter shop there the distributor of Phoenix. So I was technically working for turnstile Brands and they sell to retailers all around North America. So we thought it was best for us to open up our own retailer because we thought we could do it. As good if not better and the local area needed it in Portland. So especially with all the products. We were selling we had a lot of returns. We had a lot of like damaged product that was almost like salvageable like you could almost like just sort of build up used custom completes. scooter refurbish tasty corns huge part of the Divide because he The early days of scootering. So it was an opportunity for him to work in the industry or sell them which was my job. See if we open up the Divide shop. Built out walls. We basically like made a retail shop within a month or two. Well, we brought bullies we would rebuild scooters sound to the area. I would also sell from The Divide shop to other scooter shops, like gravel. Can then Texas the volt barking spider Inward Scooters Mothership. They would they would pick up all these scooters and that was that was cool. It was just like a new Venture for me on top of you know a new venture. Even turnstile from going from distributor. Pretty much sums up. Okay. Yeah, very cool. So I still want to get like a bit more like into the history of you, you know, you're sort of join you Journey with Phoenix and you know how kind of that started years ago. And you know who were your like original teammates and sort of some of the you know, big big transitions you saw over time. from like eight years ago to two today, so I guess the standard that came out for Phoenix and I saw some Riders riding it. U.s. It American made Proto deck was barely out yet. And it was just like you also had TSI, but it was like a phoenix was scooping up Riders like they had Evelyn Larson and Cooper car was like the the original Phoenix choose from that area John Ray's as well. He was an East Coast connects and I was just basically being a bug and Tom Floyd's here just like yo, like here's my videos. Check me out like Motivated I want to get on it and then after like a month or two, he's he finally sent me a deck and you know sooner than later I got on the team. with Phoenix and you know John Ray's and I would were pretty much like tag team partners at the time riding for the brand and just always riding between New York and Philly and yeah from they're just things changed with interests of the people and team Riders leave people come and go and You know the company was growing at the time. So I stayed with Phoenix. I thought that was best and that's sort of the transition away from Proto. He's because you know all due respect Proto wants you to ride all their parts where well, I was riding a phoenix deck ball Proto Parts. Andrew wasn't having that which was totally cool, but I don't totally understand because don't casting was riding the TSI deck but he was still on Proto but it's all good. Got off Proto. It's representing Phoenix for a while. And yeah, that's that. Yeah. Okay. Very cool. Yeah. I'm a bit curious to tell us like, you know sort of the transition going from from Rider to to employee for Phoenix. Yeah, like how that kind of came about and you know, like I guess more about your day-to-day role when you you know went from I guess Rider to employee. Yeah, so I was definitely killing it as a Writer with Phoenix for a while on the east coast and traveling worldwide for contest and winning them and just staying relevant and on top of the sport or the industry. I should say and dude out of nowhere Tom hit me with that like yo, we think we have an opening for a marketing director job like I can send you over the details of what we what we think that job should entail. So we sent that over one from Team working with the u.s. Factory working with the budget for for trade shows for contests getting a booth social media websites. Yo have no background in this fresh out of high school with a plumbing background, but I'm with it like I'm with it. You know, it goes like my 21st birthday like right after my 21st birthday. I think the going away party moved to Oregon and yeah had a little desk set up. It was like on a little foldable table in the corner and I just learned a lot and then you had your having Larson Cooper working in the in the shop packaging and then the u.s. Manufacturer was across the street from there. So we're constantly about bouncing back and forth getting photos. And concept that I needed to use to promote the brand. And you know work in working day by day with with the owner, which was that was sweet and it is rare to work in the industry. That's such a niche industry even though it's so big, you know from going to like just riding for the brand and then getting a career opportunity out of it, you know how to make some sacrifices moving to Oregon living with my friend Ryan up church and sort of knowing nobody. Besides scooter riders so it wasn't you know, yeah. I was working 40 hours in the office. But like then I would go ride then I needed to use that content. It was just like scooter and scooter in scooter and scooter and like nothing else, you know. Yeah. I'm out in Oregon like new state new mindset and Yeah, did that. Yeah, very cool. So like tells, you know, like I'm just intrigued you know, because it's not often that you like you said you get to hear of you know directly from someone who's able to get a career from scootering other than just, you know, rotting in a full so I'm just a bit more Curious like this one and mute these questions, but sort of like, you know, so you were at the office for you days a week like like is your tasks like completely different every day. What were some of the You know the biggest functions that you you had accomplished. Yeah, so there was like bullet points that cover different things like, you know work on product design a little bit. Make sure we're on the Forefront of that marketing material from photos video content ads which then trickled into the working with the graphic designer and how to use that stuff on different platforms. Make sure the Riders also shared all that which also was a different role. See management. So the marketing director covered a lot of different things like I would manage trade shows which like getting the booth and sort of the the layout of what we're going to do and when we're going to do it how we're going to do it trips for all the Riders. We had a budget for the whole team. So making sure this everything made sense and working with the boss. So also with this new role making sure I'm doing it as effectively as I can. You know and then also when you're working for someone for so long, you always want to grow so it's like I have to also document everything I'm doing proactively not just a little day by day. Like yeah, I made it into the post. I made a Facebook post. I made sure the Riders posted is like that she has to happen every day. So almost that's an almost didn't count, you know, so like my office job starting to get more more serious with just like I need to put my head down and actually do some stuff that's going to grow the company. Get more sales. So here I find myself call and shops getting my face out there sort of being the face of Phoenix and establishing that it's such a You know an early stage for Phoenix was was critical and crucial for me to stay in the industry. So like if I didn't have that opportunity who knows how much more I would have Schoo turd, or you know had my face out there being the face of Phoenix. So how does pros and cons of how much time I was working, but it was definitely worth it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's that's amazing. It's really cool to hear. I'm a little curious more about you know, just the graphic design just because I personally love graphic design who was doing the designs for for Phoenix. At the time it was Ryan Upchurch. So Ryan Upchurch and I moved out to Oregon and he basically he basically was in charge of all graphic design work anywhere from from creating logos from grading banners and do like it sounds simple. It sounds easy. But like he works way more than 40 hours a week. And it was just him on the computer making ads with the product making as with the Riders making banners for different different size banners for different websites, which at the time a bunch of online shops needed to help sell our products. Yes. Oh right up church was the graphic designer for Phoenix at yeah. Okay, very cool. Yeah, and you know, I'm not surprised that you know, No did did take more than four years week. It's you know, a lot of times he you know, perfect beautiful Creations. Yeah, and I'm also a bit curious. So like what were you know some of the places that you get Phoenix would advertise was it solely on like scooter shops to you know, get more sales from retailers or what were some of the ideas of how you know, you guys could increase sales. So make sure that they had actual but I'm sorry Dan it it blocked off for a minute there. We could start at the beginning again. My apologies. Oh good, man. See ya Phoenix sold around the world and every store around the world actually needed like physical banners or physical posters or you know, like anything from like the posters being of the logo Phoenix or of photos of the Riders, so, Yeah, just making sure that we're we're physical and people stores a skate parks and also an online presence with the same stuff on their websites and also being proactive of having those people push our stuff. So I contacted him every day making sure that they know about us and hear about us. They have our support they have questions they can call us but in return we're also giving them stickers Rick. Giving them posters where we're working with our Riders to have them visit and do autograph signings and like, you know ride Days contest jams. So just sort of being physically there and being having an online presence with all that marketing material ties in with the team and just having a presence everywhere worldwide. Yeah, yeah, I know. Absolutely. I think that's definitely you know important to to focus on both in person and web I was yeah and now was most of the sort of a advertising I guess or the, you know content being created specifically for scootering shops, or they're sort of other streams of Because advertising yeah, like sort of it, you know all this ties back to selling the product. So yeah sold out shops. It's sold online. So it's basically just a support system to help sell more products. So yeah, you know course most of that stuff's created for shops for for social media for the skate parks for all the websites to so yeah. Okay. Yeah missing cool. Could you tell us what was your best memory with Phoenix? Was it a triple A very specific down if you have something that comes straight to minder then there's so many good ones. It's hard. You can give us a few whatever you'd like when Tom Floyd on the company. I know he flew out the whole whole team every year for like sort of just a review for product and team. So it was just this one time at the year and it just so happened to be around my birthday in August. I believe your birthday is in August to right. Nope June though. Okay, but you're good. You're good. Remember that? I would've been incredible. Yeah wrong person. No, no worries. No worries every year we come out all of us and they'd be like a fat crew of us all just in the warehouse like all right, where do we want the how do we want the product to look next year? Do we what's the idea is we want to do with the team. We would have like a birthday Jam at the shop for me like at the time too. So just like every year we would all get together order a bunch of food and sort of just like spend the whole day in the warehouse talking to communicating with each other. So that was just awesome to look forward to because it was like no contest that wasn't like a lot of pressure. It was just like he's investing in to us for us to give them feedback on how like the direction we want that. What are you going so, you know Phoenix has such a strong Foundation at those early ages with just investing into the Riders and having the Riders sort of be the that push for the brand. So every year that was like the biggest thing. Yeah, yeah. No, that's amazing. It's awesome that you know invest in pretty much your guys's Vision because it's important, you know, if the scooter riders don't don't you lie back what uh, you know what the company is doing can only go so far anyway, so that's that's definitely amazing and probably really nice to just get to see if your own hang out. Yeah amazing. So I think I think that's enough but the past, you know chatting about Phoenix. So let's let's get I guess a bit More into the future like tell us tell us what lies ahead and you have any future plans their aspirations their fan here, you know, just kind of tells ya so huge aspiration is pretty much just ride for the rest of my life regardless, if that's being like you said, you know being one of the best Riders out there in my own little niche way. It's like just always want to have fun with it ride forever and travel of course because it's like You know, there's so much to see and there's so much people to meet and I got a little taste of that over the years. So yeah huge aspirations just continue riding and pushing myself physically and mentally with writing and in those contests like Coalition Street jams, just like sort of just being out there regardless if if I'm killing myself, it's am out there having fun. So I definitely look forward to just many more Decades of scooter riding. Yeah, absolutely. That's amazing. That's amazing Yeah Toast. Tell us a bit more about your relationship with Aztec right now, Dan. Yeah, so the owners Don Marconi, he's a scooter rider. So At the time when Aztec was selling a turnstile. It was like I'm working with him a little bit and I knew Dom over the years but not so much until as to came on board with turnstile and that's that's sort of went like there was no team but he wanted a team so, you know, I was one of the first writers on Aztec and it was it was just cool to work with the rider who sort of had the same aspect or same visions and and aspirations towards who during so And working with the factory every day and working on product design. So it was easy to implement a signature deck. It was easy to like just ride something. That's great. And like, you know, you just feel 100% great about so it was just an organic like grassroot connection working with a stack. It was it was just yeah, it was sweet. Yeah, no. No, absolutely and you know, I'm sure makes everything. Easier when you know, the owner is a writer who you know cares about the product on another level because you know, he uses it and can identify with how it feels and you know works and yeah, so definitely back everything that has text denim gets me hyped to see all the progress for sure. Yeah. So tell us tell us a bit about some of your experience judging some contest lately. I know you were at the Nitro World Games and Elias a contests if I'm correct. Yeah. Yeah. I've been judging like contest for a while man. I remember even judging like a tea iced tea. I see contests when I was on Phoenix. So like like like way back when time Floyd own Phoenix and yeah and I became part of the I say bored when that started up sort of creating a criteria judging video for Judges around the world who also are going to be judging is a sanctioned events. So if I'm not there they sort of can watch this video and you know kind of pick out how the what's the best way to judge scootering in such a small amount of time. So yeah one from night Your World Games. I've judged that a few times. I say contest around the world and you know, I think it's just it's very special just like I feel like I owe it to scootering to judge those contest as well. So even though some of those other judges might not take it as a personal or a serious. It's like they're giving it 110% and being and being like, you know, such like on a developing stage that hopefully one day when scootering is in the Olympics. I'll be like part of that board where I'm judging scootering in the Olympics and I sure do I think so that's going to be the you know, the what the direction it's going and if it doesn't well that's that's a dream of mine once scooter and gets in the Olympics. I'm going to be a part of the judging for that. So just sort of me tone it to the industry. I just I really enjoyed the judging aspect of it. Yeah, absolutely and regarding the Olympics when that happens. I will be there hundred thousand percent of course and I will definitely be that we like you're done. You're going to be you're going to be judging it's gonna happen down and telling you and I'm going to be like remember the podcast and it's just an aside note that because it's going to happen. I'm telling you and I'm gonna be super stoked. Ooh. Yeah, but yeah, so then you've pushed your your personal limits for countless years and you know, pretty much the get caught. What will the technical again? Yeah. Yeah. Just break it up. I'm on the New Jersey Turnpike one of the one of the shittiest States out there so we might get some shitty service. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens if we can keep going. Well go for it. But um, yeah, so, you know, you've pushed your limits for countless years and pretty much push the limits of what's possible and technical writing and scootering really to another level. Like what's motivated you throughout all these years down dude, I would just say the have in fun part, it's like It's just special being so good at something and having people like actually get inspired and motivated for what you do. So it's like, you know, I guess I it goes back to to own it to like those other people who get inspired and motivated and like even step it up 10 times higher because for example those European Riders like their technical writing is like four or five years ahead of all of ours and yeah, it's just cool when I meet those guys because it's like Those are their early days like they're looking up to me and they reference there riding back over to me. So what keeps me going and motivated is just sharing that feeling and sharing that that moment with other Riders than that will never die because there's always people coming in the sport. There's there's thousands of people like riding around the world and and sort of feel the same way. I'd use so it's like it's just that sharing feeling of Out there riding, you know, that's what it comes down to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely man. It's something in sized amaze me but scootering is like how just you know enables us to have such connection. So many people around the world. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, so we talked a bit about you know, your Inspirations when you were beginning, but do you have like a biggest inspiration Inspirations or you know, maybe a mentor who's helped kind of shape who you are today? I guess when it goes back to riding like those first early ages Martin Campbell like his riding was like insane way before its time and like to this day. I still get like that feeling of what I think back to his riding. It's like the shit he was doing it's it was even though it was on a small scooter. His style was insane and he liked it just sort of reflected a BMX style which I come from with like around Levittown. There's a huge like BMX. Influence in my writing but yeah, Martin Campbell was huge but off his technical tricks at such an early age. And then from there it definitely trickled from BMX because my family and my close friends were so into it. And then yeah just all my homies like, you know, you're Cooper Clarke ours, like just people who have so much like pure enjoyment of that riding. It's like That never gets old. So, you know, that's what motivates me and that's where I get my inspiration from is like you're bouncing ideas off those people who feel the same way and that riding is just like endless. Yeah. Yeah, I know without a doubt. That's that's awesome here. Yeah, what what's the biggest lesson you've learned from scootering if there is one and I guess sort of how does it apply to your life like both on and off the scooter. That's a good one man. Yeah, I guess I guess to sum it up would be like, you know, you're trying to trick and like At first sort of have that Vision or you sort of have that feeling of what you want to do and how you want to Do it but you're not. Yes. Sure. So tell me how you're going to get there. How you going to land it it sort of ties into like. You know, you want to get this combo it might take a hundred or two hundred tries and you have somebody else filming. So you worrying about them and there's so many of these like different points hitting you that like stresses you out or puts pressure on you, but you start to figure these little things out and it's just like it's just like eventually you'll get there with that hard work or with that like Vision. So I guess I guess that ties into just like that applies to anything, you know, like, oh you want to you want to plumb in a Apartment complex. I don't know how the helmet to do it but like you take that first step and like you figure out the blueprints and you sort of just like piece things together and eventually that Vision starts to come like a little bit to life and you just continue working at that. So scootering is taught me that like everything is sort of like everything sort of on that wavelength of if you can't do it if you don't know how to do it, but you want to it's just like you work towards it you take that first step and like Like you get through it and it might take a while or might you know might be hard but like if it's what you want and you work towards it's like inevitable of it happening. So from scootering from from like goals to career opportunities or career choices. I think that applies to everything so I learned that at such an early age and throughout the years that I still doing scootering, but I also took that out of scootering whether it's getting a job or going to school You're getting a house or you know things I want to do with my girlfriend setting goals and initiating them. It's like, you know scootering definitely reflects that for me ya know without a doubt. That was incredible Instagram. Thank you so much and ya know from that that's one of my favorite questions because for me like what I've learned from scootering that's applied to my life externally is like, you know, like changed my life like Like because I learned so much from scootering like I've been able to do so much more as well both on and off the scooter just kind of realizing like like you can really do anything. You put your mind to like you just have to focus and execute on the things you desire and pretty much be like I'm going to do this and you know, if I can do it and you focus and get it done whatever it is you desire and it doesn't have to be on a scooter really applies to all goals. That's definitely yeah my favorite like it could Easy as a tail whip or could be as easy as early as hard as like, you know freaking like building an empire state building. I don't know like well, yeah our little smaller that maybe like like I went back to like Plumbing a whole apartment complex. Yeah. It's the same ideas. It's like I'm going to I'm going to learn these little tricks. I'm going to like kind of get the idea of how it's going to happen, but it's literally the same it's the same instructions, but you're just applying it to different things and Yeah, you know, I feel like that helps get through things without a doubt and it's you know, like you said it works on a bigger small scale. Like it's definitely changed my life in my daily attitudes towards everything whether it's just like all right, like I need to you know, like focus and get I don't know like I'm still in University. So maybe university project done. It's like I have all my creative ideas with elated, you know, try and help provide the best. Austin I can't like I never thought I'd be starting a podcast. I never know how to record a podcast or you know set up an interview. So I just really nice and now we're you know creating a website or you know, all the graphic design stuff that I can do now and pretty much just the way I talk and breathe and feels, you know, all kind of based off of my mental state which is, you know, been pretty derived from what I've learned from scooter. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Well as amazing answer. Thank you, Dan. But yeah, so tell us about your favorite scootering trip you've ever taken if there is one that stands out. Shit, man, it's hard to compare because I've been to Russia a few times China few times all over Europe Canada Mexico and it's like all those things stick with me. But like yeah, dude, I think a huge one is probably Switzerland. Only been there once Salt Salt Lake Geneva. Saw the mountains across Lake Geneva. I still have water in my bedroom from Lake Geneva. Oh, well, you know I had fish oil pills or yeah, like a fish oil bottle empty that out put it in something else and I filled that fish oil bottle of Lake Geneva water took it back with me and I didn't like a glass jar that says Lake Geneva and stuff on it. But from that Switzerland trip, you know, I'm like I'm like on Phoenix, but the whole razor teams, they're like Cory. Mosh Brooker we have the highest. They boards there. So you have your Martin Kimball there Eric hribal. I met he was on micro. He was dude. I get my nose manuals from Eric rabble. He was one of the first guys on micro just bobbing and weaving through cones nose manual and he was there I met him for the first time Terry Price been Jeff rant like the whole razor team Phoenix team, not the whole Phoenix team, but a lot of the Phoenix writers were there some produ guys were there it's just like it. Was the Montreux cop and it's one of the it's one of the longest annual contest is going other than SD and that's in Switzerland. So just competing with them getting third and Street which was my first contest beating like, you know, I sort of have this competition background of being competitive. So that's the First Street contest or even contest in general. I'd be Dakota shoots out in the street park. So that was like huge there was a mini ramp. That I love many Rams. I think I got like fifth or sixth place in that competing with the whole Envy team, you know and also against the guys that I grew up looking up to and yeah, then afterwards just going out to a restaurant partying and then that restaurant was an American owner and that American owner had like Nabisco job he worked at Nabisco but he also is from this town called new town which is around Levittown. So like asking him where he's from needs to go on from Newtown, Pennsylvania, and I'm like, I'm fucking Levittown. We're fucking sitting in Switzerland have an American Burger drinking beer and it's like a huge dog advocate man. Like that's my spirit animal. Oh, yeah, and I'm having a beer with Mark Kimball and It's very pricey sitting across and Ally Cromartie and it's like all these dudes that helped shape who I am at that time and be having like a little third place bronze medal around my neck. And like, you know, Switzerland was like regardless of how expensive is there that Switzerland trip was like like huge man. I always remember that one. Well, so amazing and around what year was that? Good question. I was on if you don't know exactly that's right. Yeah, I wore a phoenix Jersey at that contest and I'd have to go back on my timeline, but it was the only time I went to Switzerland so shit man 2012-2013, maybe okay. Yeah. No. No, that's cool. That's that's all I need. Yeah, but I went to Montreux contest two years ago. And while the energy is just through the roof of that release is fan like oh, it's amazing. You had a hell marry. He's from Finland and he's just like he's a like he always has a smile on his face and he had his own little Finland section like taped out and he had his like Finland homies and it's just like this is the Finland corner and they're all just like we're doing so sweet like everybody's gettin hype everybody's doing like shit that they can't land but throwing themselves. That getting rowdy and loud. It's that that was a contest. Yeah, absolutely. And it was it was definitely awesome for me because I was out in Europe for about six months and I was getting really close with him, you know, a lot of the European Riders and you know, it see them pretty frequently. There's so many events when I was there and then it is so good just to get everyone together again in Mantra and then I wonder area they had a third contest for the first time. Yeah, so I guess that was amazing. Sorry, you killed and man hell. Yeah. I want I want another perk contest. We need to get a Mega rounds contest with the quarter included but won't tangent on that. Yeah. Yeah, but so we've talked a lot about the past. I'm you know courage to step into the present a little bit more kind of take us through a typical day in your life. Like now like you're in Pennsylvania and you know, what, do you do like walk us through starting when you wake up, I guess to the end like so I wake up I put my socks on On I take a poop. Yeah, so day by day like I do like a plumbing HVAC job. So that started recently. So I'm definitely working by trade now. I also scooter on the weekends. I have like sometimes a three or four day weekend. I catch myself riding a lot on the weekends. I do have Woodward readily nearby. So I'm there on the off season. I'm working with them of what weeks. I'm going to be there, too. In summer. I'm a homeowner now too. So I promised like two years now. So I'm really in into working with my hands. So sort of renovating my house with with building out the bedrooms working on the floors drywall and spackling painting. Like I really find enjoyment and that yeah, and I'm also into like just staying active. So I see myself running a lot. I've done a 5k f u v KS which isn't much but I really like to see myself move up in times and like in the bracket of those races. So well, the last one was the Yuengling 5K in Bethlehem, PA and that was basically around celebrating beer, you know, like so sweet and I'm a I'm a huge Beer Drinker as well. Like I just enjoy being You know what? I mean not like a huge like I don't drink every day like today. Yeah, but I really enjoy some craft beer. So I see myself going to breweries a lot, you know and supporting those events like the Yuengling 5K. Yeah, and then my girlfriend I've been dating for over a year now and she lives out near me so she just bought a house. So we're sort of my first time ever where I'm actually like building something up with my girlfriend having goals and getting to that. Them. So I feel like yeah, you know, whatever you want to call adulting or whatever. It's just stupid. It's fun having a having a house now a girlfriend back into my trade work and also having scootering sort of being my main hobby. I have a video part dropping really soon for hell. Yes. I'm really hyped on it and Justin Phillips. it's Plus, so yeah, I'm really looking forward to that comparing it to my old videos and seeing how I progressed or how my style has changed. So just always, you know, always working on myself whether it's personal life. I do enjoy Plumbing. I've been, you know doing Plumbing work with my uncle wait before high school. So going to a trade school learning that going to night school to get my apprenticeship program done. Working in the field whether that be the union or or four companies around the state doing side jobs. Yeah and everything in between men like last weekend. I got a big ass tree down that was in between my house and my neighbor's house. See my neighbor wanted it down. He said he'd go half on it. And yeah me and my friends were to hustle them. And we said we were we sort of said we hired a company to cut it down, but it was just my friends and we all We all made some money that weekend and learn how to cut likely to only fall one way. So like, you know, I felt what it was like to have some anxiety, but it was fun and just like, you know filled with the journal and just doing something different that I don't know how to do but learning how to do so is the best constantly so good cool couple side questions favorite beer. That question I love. There's a brewery out of Pennsylvania called tropes and they make a lot of seasonal beers, but my favorite would probably have to be broken heels IPA from new Trail Brewery out of willing. Okay, awesome and regarding your living situation right now was is it just you and the house or roommate, sir? No, Ryan up hurts. Oh, yeah church is there to he's he's continuing his design Works working freelance. Cool. He's Yeah, he's busy man. He's just he's working with a lot of different people perfected his craft growing his Brands. And yeah, so don't cool. That's awesome. I didn't I didn't I didn't realize that nor did I realize that he was in Pennsylvania? Super cool? Yeah when I come on so I should have been here earlier when you're talking about I say judging I'm actually talking to Martin Kimball about working to be a nice a judge that Has this season so I have no idea yet, but maybe possibly I'll come up to the Woodward qualifier. I don't know if you'll be there and I judging but if so, I'll be able to see you guys then which would be awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I will for sure. But like I said, I do not know yet, but hopefully I'll be able to make it out cool. So sort of tell us a bit about the evolution you've seen in yourself like Over the last like decade or or so in your mentality, you know from maybe longer than a decade or I don't know however long I forget like sort of the evolution of your mentality from like a young scooter order to you know, the man that you are today, I guess. I would say with the Travelin and the people I've met and some of the experiences I've gone through. It's helped me sort of, you know from living back in in the suburb area. I felt like I was a really fast paced sort of pressure on myself. Hi paste just like go go go if things fall short, I find myself mad or I find myself getting frustrated. So I think over the years I've mellowed out a lot. I think I think Matt Matt King called me like, oh, you're like a nude and I'm like, he called me like West Coast and because I get like maybe West Coast changed me a little bit. Yeah being more chill, but I definitely found myself just becoming more relaxed taking things just you know situation comes up. I'm not one to show expression so much and sort of just like, you know going through it just as easy and calmly as I can. So. Yeah, I guess just more Coleman is killer and now what do you think sort of a tribute to that mostly do you think it is the experiences you've had in the people you've met, you know sort of where you were living or you think there's something specifically that attributes that or just yeah. Yeah. I think it's a lot of little different things like moving to the West Coast finding a career in the scooter industry not having so much pressure on making ends meet with you know, working 40 plus hours a week with my hands and putting my Body through these jobs that I don't want to work at so from being sort of like not too comfortable still learning and like learning new things of how I'm going to work in scootering. It's just it was a it was cool to you know, I guess take my career from from outside scooter work to in scooter are moving to the West Coast having all scooter friends being around just like Chill Vibes all day. Just sort of hide in my room my life revolves around something. I love made me sort of appreciate life like to the max way more than than if I wasn't and then taking that back moving back to the east coast and getting more back into Plumbing work. Its I've kept that aspect of you know, life's great after all and just enjoy their God. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that's amazing now. Yeah, and that's I can definitely resonate with that. I used to be a you know, I'm still so young, but I To be I'm still extremely energetic but like I used to be like a little more I have this this big concept of me now that I didn't used to have I guess, you know, but I think it's solely shaped off of my experiences in the people. I've been lucky enough to meet over, you know, the last several years like the more people you get to more experiences you get to have that are like rap drastically different the more you're able to take away from each different little scenario and grow and you know, I've been lucky enough to get to meet a lot of people from different. Cultures and places and completely different backgrounds. So then you kind of take aspects of so many different things from different people and then it kind of builds you in a different way. Yeah. That's yeah amazing. So do you have any like Habits Like philosophies or routines that could play a big part in your life? I don't know man. I like being organized it sort of keeps me on track and I see myself getting kind of flustered when things aren't organized. So, you know, I got a planner I like this day proactive on what I'm doing for the week or for the day and initiating my time as effectively as I can and if I fall short I learned not to get mad or beat. Self over up over it because he sort of got that one thing in mind what you're building towards as long as you're building towards it. So just staying on track and organization for me is is a pretty big, you know Foundation. Yeah, amazing sear telling us a bit about your trip and Switzerland earlier. So potentially could overlap but maybe not but what's what's your best memory in the life? Is there a one? I know it's a big question, but Yeah. shit, man Oh good. That's that's not an easy one to No Worries. Well if you want to yeah, no worries. What was the hardest trick for you to land in your life sort of take us through the scenario and your mental process when working to land that a trick? I mean, I guess I technically didn't land it but technically I might have but it was just a Smith front flip and you know, I'm doing it a concrete skate park so I have pads out and one front flip. I'm like landing on the mat and riding away my next front flip and I'm on my back. So I rode away on the mat which I guess technically was or wasn't away and whatever but maybe a double scooter flip like Cody Donovan beat me by a week or two of doing the first double scooter folk fly out. So when I did it at at the indoor skatepark in the mall in Philly called ex-gay United or Woodward, whatever it was which was black diamond, right? Yeah black diamond. Yeah, Black Diamond see ya. There's a double rifle to fly out and I did it on my old a and you know film myself Kevin vanoc was pressing record record, huh? Record. Yes, press record. Yeah, that was cool. Because I know I was one of the first doing it and Cody Donovan inspired me to do it and just saying I was the first got in the u.s. To do a double dry flip like that. Yeah huge for me. So it was you know, it took a while I try to do it at EIC best trick one of the years I couldn't land it. That was when I was on micro few years later. I did it when I was on my Razor and then I took it over hips. I did a few double bride flips over hips and you know that Was that yeah. Yeah. No amazing. I do remember seeing I'm not sure if it's and raise your Bitty parts or where I saw it, but I for sure remember seeing you do double bra and I was like what the hell like that's just yes. That's that's really sweet. Whenever I saw that a few years ago. Um, what's the biggest accomplishment of your life Dan? Not an easy question again, but They're probably just taking my life and moving it to Oregon when I was 21 sort of everything. I knew the people I knew my family and just going to pursue like what I believed in that was that was just something that come boat like Get over mentally. It's just like go move across country and go settle and call somewhere else home. So that was you know took a while to settle in and Be being accomplishments. Yeah, I would say, you know, just follow my dream. Yeah now, you know, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, man. I'm I don't know what else we got going on. I'm definitely getting close to okay cool. We'll wrap it up 10. So just cut. Do you give any specific? Oh, you're touching how much more minutes are you got about approximately you getting in there right now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well duh. No worries. I think that's honestly a perfect time to end. I think we covered in awful lot in think our listeners will definitely be stoked. But before we close could you just like, I don't know anything you want to close that with like any closing words and we'd like to thank her last words of inspiration for our listeners. Yeah, man, if you scooter just you know, keep that organic like feeling of scooter and in in the Forefront of of riding and just you know continue to ride to have fun because you know, that's why you're in any way unless you come from like a competitive family or something but scooter is about having fun. So if you just continue and get out there every damn day and ride, you know, just get outside on your scooter and you'll Find some sort of Happiness. I'm sure if you're listening to this whether it's on a bike or skateboard, it's you know, just keep just get out there and do it because that's what it's about isn't amazing will seriously been super stoked. Thank you so much for tuning in like it's been freaking pleasure. It's been super good and I'm pretty sure how our listeners are going to be stoked on. This one. I'm definitely stoked is definitely nice to get to Chad's been a while. So Yeah, man, I appreciate you and thanks for reaching out. And yeah, this is sweet man. I'm looking forward to that. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm super stoked. I thought well, I'll leave you to it. Hope to see you soon. And yeah, I haven't have an awesome rest of the day my man. All right, dog you to man all sounds good but much love. I genuinely want to thank you for tuning in this far and I invite you to tune into future episodes where I interview the world's top Riders. I also invite you to visit our website Olay brand.com to view the best grew during video Parts in the industry today as well as our Instagram and Facebook @ ol a brand to find the best scootering clips of today. I would seriously be Infinitely grateful for your support and helping me grow this Mission and supporting this podcast by purchasing any of our clothing on our website Linked In the show notes a toll a brand.com. And if you're interested in following me personally, feel free at my Instagram at Jared Addison lastly. 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Welcome to the Chinese medicine. Anson Chinese medicine practitioner. Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Chinese medicine podcast and today on the channel. I'm joined with Jessica candy who is a Chinese medicine practitioner and an expert in the area of Five Element acupuncture. So welcome Jessica. Thank you. So just because from the UK, which is recently come to Australia. And so today we're going to talk about what's the difference between five-element acupuncture and just you stock Standard General everyday kind of acupuncture. So maybe Just going to tell us a little bit about that because a lot of our viewers might know what people in what the hell is a Five Element. So yeah, I mean that's really true. It's quite big in the UK and in the US as well those schools the teacher in both those places, but it is taught in Australia and I think I can question of the day and I think I might be the first person practicing I've done when I've punched in Perth. That's pretty great. Yeah, and and so I'm trying to both have element and TCM which is the stylus more broadly practiced here. I use them both is fantastic to have the toolbox of the two, but the thing that's really special about five element is it really looks at you the patient as an individual a lot of depth and obviously that is a strength of Chinese medicine in general and the strength of TCM, but fundamental practice takes it to a kind of deeper level and really looks Basically, it's kind of in pursuit of this question of not just how are you and like what's wrong with you as you know today, but also like who are you I fundamentally constitutionally, what is your what are your core issues your core strengths and it's this beautiful model with the five elements of water wood fire earth and metal and each one of those and the model is saying that we each have a primary constitutional resonance in one of those and that drives it. Gives the Tendencies toward certain types of health and balances but it was a gives us strength and the things that people find special about us. And so the Five Element diagnostic process is all about working out which one of those each person is has greater resonance in and the the benefit of it is in Chinese medicine. There's this concept of the band that how the root when the branch Okay, and like if you treat in the bed, you're treating the root you're going to get this kind of beautiful blossoming of the whole organism versus kind of hacking around in the branches and the color, you know, where you might make an impact but not in quite such a profound way. And so that to try and cheat constitutionally trying to get to the kind of the root of the root of the person deep down in the cause of yeah, what's going on? Yeah. Okay, so that sounds like it might have a big It's like a correlation between month psychology psychological understanding of our body. Yeah, Leti types. Yeah, but that's the other certainly true the way that China is might have used the body doesn't feel the body and the mind and the emotions and the spirit. There's like a whole difference bunch of separate things. If it has this kind of really integrated understanding of how the mind and the body moved together. And I mean, I think I think Chinese medicine in general is very interested in how a person is feeling and themselves as well. Laughs like physical problems and the relationship between this thing. But again Five Element takes that to a kind of kind of further extent and is very interested in kind of how you know have balance the person's feeling how much they're out of kilter a whole different sort of ways in their mind their emotions as well as their body and then it also when it comes to treatment as you know, Chinese medicine doesn't think what I'm going to treat This time and get your psychologist tomorrow for the mind, you know that it doesn't the fact that using physical intervention with the needles with the acupuncture isn't doesn't suggest really treating the body aiming very much a treat them the the body the spirit the mind or one site pets and as a whole yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what about if a patient comes to you with? Like they have a bit of both. I have like semental stuff going on and they have like some physical stuff going on, you know, you can can both of those things to be addressed at once or do you have to dress different things at different times? Because I know but it's very much tends to be about addressing things not exactly as a whole but sometimes whether it's a kind of anxiety and fatigue or anxiety and back pain that Western medicine might see as I said Chinese medicines quite inclined to seeing patterns within that and those patterns are like less of the physical stuff. And that's the that's the mental stuff. They're like, okay. This is one grouping that the you know, the tradition from the thousands of years worth of wisdom says this will tend to happen together. And so when you treat you and certainly the process of privatization and vandalizing kind of what's going on in the person overall, what's you know, what's important? What's underlying what, you know even choosing where to intervene but Very much people don't necessarily think to mention stuff. I asked them a lot of questions. I understand what I deal with a lot of questions later and having full of little epic form before they come in first place because I don't want to miss information because people often have no idea the things that I function can help with. Yeah, and they mean one very common understanding is that it's great for musculoskeletal problems. And obviously, it's well known for that. But that's like just the smallest part of her. Just going to start to help the tip of the ice. And so so people don't think to describe some of the ways in which they're not feeling great. Unless you ask the question and certainly, you know, different interests practice and really diverse range of ways. I think people tend to be drawn to the practitioner who is really well suited to what they need and certainly the style I practice with involves up spending quite a lot of time with people and really making sure that I'm not missing anything that's happening with them. It might be a bit more talking your style of Chinese medicine than maybe some other styles. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I mean I took about putting the patient at the heart of the treatment and I think the only ones like not doing that but it's like taking out to you know, really kind of optimal sort of point to make sure that Like the person is really getting the ideal treatment for their and and life literally for them, you know as they have a cow bone would take maybe some people are interested to let me hear that question mark out if it's is it the same as going 40 cm practitioner well consultation total compensation. Yeah, and I think it's not like there is some extend out how it is the unfortunate approaches that but I'd I would tend to ask people to line up to 90 minutes for their first appointment and which is long and is an investment of of People's time but that investment is in the you know, the process of discovery and treatment of there will be so that about two minutes thing. Please hold diagnostic process discussion looking at the tongue from the pulses and and the first treatment and how long does the treatment take with you do father will leave us a ticket if they don't get left in and they don't always with my Amendment and then they would all be next 20 minutes and ordinarily the end. Of that as well in most cases where the government treat noodles you do a second briefer. Neatly and which is actually kind of one of the distinctive technically the distinctive features of and I tell you what I just was treating a maybe a few minutes ago and as is often the way those second brief ones actually there is such a strong sensation people tend to think they're still in if they're not actually looking and it's quite common that I might live in a world ruled only can jump up and I look at me wild. Because I think they still have been so simple but yeah, so it's normally a cheetah is very commonly a two-stage thing like that alley, so they have one lot of needling the left ear and there was the end something to just put it in and take it out very early kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. I think I mean philosophically they can be like I've heard that point of view put 20 cm that acupuncture is great for approach is like trying to harm. An eyes and clear and sort of smooth out and people who have some kind of condition of excess we would call it yet. But that terms of hot or angry or blockage of yeah blockage and that herbs can be better than for if a person needs strengthening more nourishing or and I think one of the strengths of element acupuncture is that without without using her curves. It is actually quite strong on the tonifying so little the strengthening nourishing side so much. Kind of what we're to State enabling is about it, right? I can't accept. Yeah. All right, so it's kind of a good system for people to look at if they really really want to investigate like knowing the Personality. Yeah, they are in a Chinese medicine way, maybe some patients. Like I have they kind of always had this like repetitive problems happen to them and they kind of Wonder like am I causing this is and sometimes it can be a bit of diet Bill lifestyle bit stressful who you hang around is any sort of attracting these things into your life. Life like my mom and I can punch understands that kind of yeah, you're right. Yeah. I'm very much as well. A lot of people there would be relevant myself advice and definitely possibly dietary or lifestyle but also kind of almost like logical about enemies word spiritual be kind of spiritual, you know, like, you know to what is that like I have how aligned is the life you're living whether you are it's like a question worth asking right and like, is that correct? It's summertime. You're not feeling right and like it's not like I can tell people the answers to some of those questions but problem isn't interested in raising those questions. It's a bit more towards That explicit or side of any other and so what about like maybe some of the viewers are really interested they call for different constitutions. So can you tell me a bit about how would people know if there are worse? Oh, yeah. Okay. So this is obviously it takes you a long time sometimes sometimes it's really beautiful other times. It's real process and I can even end up doing a few treatments and doing process of testing and then hearing the answer from the body and then realizing the other must not right. Let me look at this more closely think that's because people aren't living in harmony with their constitution. The factors besides our constitution cannot feel off balance. Like if it's overworked or diet or stress then something else is kind of like that clustering the place up you may want to do a treatment or two and that clears a little bit about I'll wait a second wait a second the real person image exactly like knowing just like shifted some of that stress and I would hate for you to think that you can just diagnose yourself based on what I'm about to say. Lots of people on this channel though because I'm very happy and a replacement. For a real doctor, but like its Constitution will be inclined to certain kind of health and balances but also towards certain kind of key features of character and personality. So would people suffer a lot with stress, but they also real kind of worriers. They'll stand up for what's right, you know, they're very concerned with s ethics and principles and Justice Warrior not Yeah, yeah struggle with my house Warriors, right? Yeah, well people to clarify and you know that physiologically might be inclined towards headaches towards menstrual problems towards and with irritability McDermott abilities with this is the physiological so that yeah would go stations can be kind of easy get Snappy. The Cambrian. Yeah, I was talking about the past and also they can wear themselves out looking after other people. Although actually to be fair that you know, there's more than one version of that and that brings me on to Earth Earth is the Earth and she's going to do mother in her food. And so Earth Constitution is a very nurturing sympathetic and caring kind of people of course, they can really drag themselves out by doing that and I'm going to try to do list of problems of I'm very oriented towards their food and also big thinkers the year in Chinese philosophy the thought of the kind of cognitive skills housed in the earth organs and so on the one hand everything to do with thinking and reasoning and logic and study is part of the earth energy and health institutions often really strong in that we all have those activities can really drain like there's this idea of digesting information little bit idealistic food Sofia. Studying and they're watching TV and reading books and having multiple conversations. I knew you know East comfort you smell them those collectively we can really drain your Earthen git and what else we've got fire. That isn't common. That's Happy these days and I think it's really like, that's the first thing you like. Family, but sit at a table with a female and episode even measure with you know, and tuning my faithful and like really pay attention to your food and you know, the only this is obviously ancient wisdom, but you know, almost everything that's in the ancient wisdom a slowly eventually some scientifically researched and comes and catches up with it. Yeah, that's great stuff. Like if you chew your food properly then there are enzymes that in your mouth. Extension of food, then, you know your food won't get digested properly and Chinese medicine has been saying that without without the kind of enzyme you have detail because because it's a very it's been a very evolution of Chinese medicine has been a very powerfully about observation. There were taboos on like cadaver dissection and stuff which is which It wasn't medicine really kind of surgical at one point. But the flip side of that is that without being able to cut things up. It's all these lineages of Chinese doctors that will his wisdom comes down from they were just Masters to the nth degree in hearing and seeing and listening smelling their patients just to understand what was going on and they sting the difference after a lifestyle change after treatment after her. and but I have finished you want suitcase, but I misled and actually it's really interesting that in Chinese tradition as well as in Western tradition love belongs to the heart and soul of Of intimacy relationships closeness and so far constitutions kind of love parties, but they also hate it, you know, and the the quality of their life is probably very strongly depend on the quality of their relationship their intimate relationship and and they what do they pray to their friends and anxiety. They may have problems sleeping. Then I have Publications like the conscious of your heart beating sometimes due to anxiety. See the follower Constitutions are fun, like some excitement or if they're feeling very Advanced and very flat very lack of affect very not able to connect with your own joy and you know, it was correctly go. Enjoy is awful and it hits you know, all these things. I'm describing they can hit any Constitution. But the fire this is the kind of core challenge yet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so we've gone wood fire. okay, so Marshall, I also like mental Constitution is actually a metaphor are very refined from can fund a little bit chilly the it's the energies of father and very Discerning, you know, like metal constitutions home clothing and Make up an essence of really Exquisite and really carefully chosen. It's like the yeah, it's about to the diamond shop incisive judgment and they're quite concerned with aspect receiving respect giving respect but haven't but at same time still craving mistaken from trouble receiving it really taking it in and I see one things we do in the final element and discussion of traditional diagnosis process is often a little bit of respect and see how it's received. Okay Sympathy for the Earth. Faster speed and like how did you know from the chance to get angry? So it works here would hesitation to see you know, if I like, mr. Peters bad that he had to do that. Yeah. Well that's a really hard thing to learn. Right and it's always fun. Like, you know giving respect is quite a social easy thing to do but like tapping a little bit into fear and anger can be what came true. Let's see whether this person receive respect. Coughs colds around go away at my that kind of thing. Unfortunately. This would be more drawn to smoking than the average person but it was at least one well equipped to deal with it. Do you have an explanation of why are you so definitely I think it's it's like I can't give you a sort of sorry that question that connection book in more generally the things that we sort of These core challenges our core challenges remember lady out once asking me to tell me about her diet trend is really good. And she said what should I change and I swear if I'd said go away only pineapple peanut. She would have eaten any kind of something that's 100% you know, but I such a nothing a dust fine. I think from what you said that what you need to do is just slow down and she burst into tears, but that was to help us unimaginable. Whereas any dietary recommendations would have really gone and done was the other person who needs the doctor recommendation you because just Some small suggestion that it's a is overwhelming I can to them and so I think our capacity to make the change that will most benefit us is often as the hardest thing to do and so imagines constitutions who were smoking really, I mean, I have sympathy like I remember all making will struggling with these are some level. Yes Miss. Actually do I also have the benefit of quite a lot of knowledge about a Chinese face reading right and up. Here when you get a little horizontal line, of course that upper lip and that's a real indication that your lungs will really benefit from being well looked after I began reading of this meditation or Tai Chi or yoga or she could find of those practices that work with the breath. This is kind of a like a like a little like like whoop alarm on the gauge. Okay say you would really benefit and so there are lots of so each of the Institutions will be tending to it has certain times is more. So metal Constitutions are more likely to have one of those lines for example indicating how much they could do it. If you have their low, I guess they really are looking after them. Right but most of all of the lines of the the district the job of the mountains that the organs are sort of like a Chinese bureaucracy with the emperor and the berries officials and the lamb official is in charge of receiving the Heavenly cheese, like receiving the beautiful inspiration of the universe. - and that resonates back with the whole metal and always mental Tendencies about being very Discerning having release of Exquisite taste all that stuff. You have the ability to breathe in the Heavenly Qi and then tell me about the other organ is the large intestines about getting rid of the waste. Yeah. So it's that receiving the beautiful stuff and getting rid of the crowd. Those are let's both those sort of the core and the challenge here. That's right. Yeah, which leaves us with one more water because its water somewhere is chopping people out there water water constitutions so water so it's about drive and these people tend to grossly over work themselves will be super lazy or have trouble and flip between the two but also it's about fear and so it's about like real You know life and death like is a terrorist and a Russian driven in the net and Carlos are top of that level of it's not social anxiety. Like I like silly. It's like no I always safe. Is that kind of one of the key to estrogen? Yeah, the Germans and then all kinds of risk taking all kinds of appropriate lack of fears of people who do lots of bungee jumping or skydiving and totally come just now on the on the freeway and they are able to constitutions and little bit. So yeah, they often very Charming little interest in the mystery. He's a terror The hidden knowledge. They they're actually really good in a crisis, you know, because they prepared they thought about the stuff hits the fan. So yeah, I mean it's not like my favorites, but I do recognize water cuts. Elements like practice and I do practice TCM as well. Sometimes that is the right the right thing but the five elements like one thing I really quickly realized in like the student clinic when I was studying acupuncture and I had my first few patients is a nobody is dull. Everyone is fascinating. Okay, and it's like you sit with someone and have a conversation with him for like a half hour and it's like this beautiful little journey of Discovery and it's not uncommon that for them. It's a journey of Discovery am I hearing questions and thinking about themselves feeling really deeply heard in a way that isn't commonplace necessarily. It's not there's no more lies. You have any medicine like any sort of Health Medicine? There's not it's not that common. Yeah, so kind of holding that space and really seeing someone to be hearing them and then we might do the whole little background thing of like, okay. Now, what am I? What is that? What is that? What is it? That person needs is that I was only it's a total joy to participating. Yeah, it's good that you love what you do? Yeah, that's great. Thank you so much. So yeah, just like has just recently come to us or not being sort of happened is you've been here for like two years you have going on to the process of registration because next countries. Oh my God, even if you try anything UK and I'm going to know her through the process of trying to help her become registered and get that get that stuff sorted out and so you I'll be starting a practice soon and we'll put the link in the description below. So if you want to follow up about knowing about more about what five-element acupuncture is and the kind of process that's that goes on there. Yeah, so Jessica's practices in Perth in wa Australia, but if you want to contact her for a remote consultation, she can do those kinds of things as well. So you can just hit her up with the email and the link in the description below or if you're interested in the the kind of thing. We've been talking about today is called five-element. And there are other people that do it. It's just not a very common. I think in the UK the u.s. Is much more common than Australia, but it's just there are any I don't think there's any schools in Australia that just specifically teach five-element acupuncture as an exact style. So this is something we really interesting. There's a few practitioners in Australia that delay that have come from the UK. But yeah, so if you're interested in that and you can look up more about that and there are some books that people can get to just learn more about five elements occupy insurance or probably put the and for those things they're effectively actually that suddenly reminds me as well. I have a little reference and packable reference cards about the final 32 per element. I sold them for years all over the world and not know gaming ebook version of yeah, that's what people say and what they do. They the first one gives you for each Constitution like a light of all of the characteristics of an institution. Okay, and the second one that gives you all the ways you can nourish. Oh that's It's a constitution. Yeah, that's right. What kinds of beautiful lifestyle advice about how to nourish your wood furniture polish that yeah, that's really good. Yeah will be completely. Thanks for your time and being on the podcast and just letting everyone know that benefit of five-element acupuncture. And so if you've got a question and you're interested in that then I'm pop your question below and I will do our best to answer it fine. Thanks very much and make sure you click the link below to find out more about five-element acupuncture and you can ask Jessica a question through her email and her links below. Also, don't forget to subscribe to the channel where now on iTunes and Google Google podcast. But if I always kind of podcasts places, so wherever you listen to your podcast will be there. And so you can subscribe to those. I'm that stupid you for the Chinese medicine podcast. If you want to leave a review on like iTunes, that would really help us a lot to get the podcast out there get people to know that it's reputable and it's good. And if this information is helping you then we would love to just help more people. So the more people that know about more people we can help let him know that benefits of Chinese medicine. 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I'm joined by 5 Element expert, Jessica Kennedy who was trained in the  UK, in a unique style of Chinese medicine called "Five Element  Acupuncture" - so lets find out what is 5 Element Acupuncture and how it  might be able to help you find out more about yourself - mentally,  physically and emotionally. We talk about the differences in the 5 elements, what are the  constructions of wood, fire, earth, metal and water. what happens during a consultation / treatment in 5 element acupuncture,  how that might be different to TCM or general Chinese medicine, what’s  involved including questions, talking, pulse diagnosis, tongue diagnosis  and more. About today's guest: Jessica Kennedy, Acupuncturist   http://jessicakennedy.com/five-elemen...   Chinese Medicine Podcast is now on actual podcast platforms! Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/2gLorSA...Breaker: https://www.breaker.audio/chinese-med...Google Podcasts: https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=...Anchor: https://anchor.fm/marie-hopkinson   ABOUT YOUR PRESENTER: Marie Hopkinson   Marie's practice details:  MARIE HOPKINSON, Registered Chinese Herbalist and Acupuncturist in  Australia (AHPRA)  Consultations for treatment (individual) please call my clinic office to  book in: 08 93289233 (Perth Natural Medical Clinic) or  go to : http://www.bespokemedicine.net/ Email [email protected]  Facebook:  fb.me/bespokemedicine. Please see your own Chinese Medicine Practitioner, GP/Doctor or appropriate Health professional for a propper diagnosis before initiating any self help concepts we discuss.

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And so one of them is Noah's flood where all the chaos comes washing back in the world is remade so there's that like the time before the flood now in more traditional Christian societies. So say a hundred and fifty years ago that was definitely considered a special kind of I'm Before the Flood compared to After the flood and I think that the Old Testament is set up that way. There's also the Tower of Babel. So the story of the Tower of Babel where people build a tower that's going to reach to heaven and God basically stops them by making it unable to communicate with each other and then they disperse around the world. That's also a kind of chaos story. So there's the Tower of Babel and the story of Noah, and then after that then there's the story of Riham, and what happens is that the stories in the Old Testament start to become quasi historical, you know, they're like, they're like tribal history in a sense like their mythologized tribal history. So they're more than just tribal history. But but before that, I think what they are is there almost there almost pure archetype and we have no idea how old the stories are so we know that the story of Creation in Genesis at the beginning of Genesis. There's actually two creation stories there and their timelines don't exactly Matchup and the hypothesis basically is that one tribal group or or group of tribes had one creation Story and Another tribal group or group of tribes had another tribal creation story and they came together and they didn't really know how to sort out their damn creation stories because they both held them as sacred. And so what seemed to have happened over time was that those stories were told and then when they were written down and editor they called the redactor tried to sequence them. So they made some sort of sense and a lot of a lot of the Bible is actually the attempt to take diverse archaic. Orca Temple and quasi historical stories and to organize them in a narrative manner while simultaneously minimizing the internal contradictions and it's a very very difficult thing to do and it's not like only one person did it thousands of people have participated in doing it over huge stretches of time. So the historical element of the Bible is probably roughly in the same. Of the same age as the Mesopotamian stories. So, you know, you can stretch written history back about five thousand years something like that may be a little bit farther than that. So that's all we're talking about with regards to written history and you know people think of 5,000 years ago as a long time, but it's not a long time. You know, that's only 50 100 year old men. So it's a very interesting way to think about it. You know, that's that's not a very long long period of time the stories before Or the flood I think there. They're in determinately ancient. I think they have their roots in like very very early shamanic practices and their associated with ways of thinking that have characterized people ever since they became people ever since they became whatever we are there have been human beings like us anatomically speaking for about a hundred and fifty thousand years, and we're also a little bit Neanderthal about five percent two to five percent. something like that, so but are anatomically Similar ancestors have been around for about a hundred and fifty thousand years. Looks like we discovered fire about 2 million years ago. So when we've been cooking for two million years. So anyways, it kind of gives you a bit of a time frame now. The first part of the there's basically in the Genesis story. There's a story about the creation of being and then there's two stories actually and then there's a story about the creation of human beings. And so the first part of the story I'm doing I'm going to read this to you because I can't it's too complicated for me to just spin out. spontaneously There are 2 structural elements described in the first chapter in Genesis chaos, that's one and heavens and the Earth. Okay. So there's two structural elements one process creation and one actor God or the word of God who's engaged in the process. The first structural element chaos is signified by a word. This is a Hebrew word tale. That means chaos by tohu for waste or format. Without substance and by the bohu for emptiness or confusion. So the chaos out of which God extracts order has those elements its Chaos, waste matter without substance emptiness and confusion. So interesting there's a psychological element there to write so I would say in some sense. It's equivalent to the chaos that you fall into when everything falls apart around you and that's associated with the shamanic idea that during the shamanic transformation. The shaman goes back to the beginning of time roughly speaking into the chaos that precedes the emergence of order and that's part of the shamanic trance. Animation ritual so the chaos that the chaos that's conceptualized as the ground of being is is partly the potential out of which matter arises but it's also partly the state of confusion that you're in when everything when order falls apart around you and that makes sense if you think about it because the order that's being described in Genesis is the order that makes up being and so it makes sense when the order that makes up your being collapses that you're going to fall into something that's equivalent to the original. The chaos. It's a very interesting way of thinking about it. And I don't think it's metaphorical by the way. It's not metaphorical. It's a different way of describing reality. So it's like not like a metaphor for matter. It's different than that. It's analysis of the structural components of being and basically what you have is chaos order and the thing that mediates between them and we've talked about that already as being the fundamental tripartite. Constituents of reality itself. There has to be potential there has to be something to interpret the potential and then there has to be something to mediate between the two things. So these three words Tay home tohu, and bohu are very interesting for a variety of reasons and profitably bear further investigation the Canadian Rabbi Itzhak marmor Stein who has begun to explain the Torah one word at a time describes tale by the way tail manned time. Out heard the same word. Okay, so that's worth knowing and that's I got that from Northrop Frye. So the tail is a is like the first syllable of the word time at and so we know that the Mesopotamian some people think the Mesopotamian creation story preceded the creation story that's in the judeo Christian account. But no one really knows there was like a slew of creation stories with roughly similar substructures in the Middle East at that time and the Mesopotamian stories of manifestation of it. So it is the judeo Christian. In their temporal order, I don't think is actually even calculable because I think they both disappear into prehistory fundamentally. So but it's very interesting to know that the tail Ms associated with the idea of time at because it also gives you some idea of the because you don't know what the hell ancient Hebrew words mean right? Well, how do you know that you're not there anymore? And so it's interesting to see the association Network so you can understand the concepts and so whatever the tail Ms. Which is this pre-existing. Distant chaos is sort of liked i-i'm out who's the terrible thing that raises up her head when chaos is coming back. It's also the thing that that Marduk has to confront with his eyes open and that Marduk figure is very much like the word of God in the judeo Christian story because the word of God is the thing that's like it's exploratory and communicative and it's the thing that right that raises order out of chaos, so I don't think that you can understand that without understanding. Or I think that understanding the Mesopotamian story and the role of Marduk in relationship to timeouts sheds a substantial amount of light on the relationship between the word of God and the initial chaos, they're parallel ideas. So one of the things that I should tell you about Christianity which is which is incomprehensible to me. I don't understand it is that so one of the representations of the word of God that extracts order out of chaos is logo. And that's partly the root word of logic, but it's a lot more than that logos basically means something like it means something like heroic confrontation with the unknown and the communication of the results. They're of its it means roughly that and one of the things that the Christians did was assimilate Christ to the logos that existed at the beginning of time. It's a very very strange idea and it's a kind of mystical or artistic Insight that's difficult to to it's difficult to And how that idea could even happen and so so in some sense what the Christians did with the idea of logos by associating that with Christ was to make Christ who's a redeeming your figure into the same thing that generated order out of chaos at the beginning of time. And so that part kind of puts them in the same. Conceptual class as Horace and in the same conceptual class as Marduk and I'll tell you later that it also puts them in the same conceptual class as Buddha, but I'll get to that story later. So so also what that means is that there's an idea that lurks latent lie in Christianity that the ideal person is a and that's partly the person who accepts the necessity of death and rebirth as part of the Redemptive process is identical. Tentacle to the thing that at the beginning of time called order out of chaos. It's a phenomenal conception and one of the things that I've tried to argue in a paper that no one's ever read is that the reason that Western culture is predicated on the idea that human beings have an unalterable Divinity which is basically the source of their natural rights is because it's predicated on the idea that the individual consciousness partakes of the process that's capable of pulling order out of chaos, or Capable of mediating between the two and that there's something that's literally Divine about that and one of the things that I also promote in this paper is that you all believe that because you act on it like you accept the idea that there are natural rights and that people have individual rights and that they have intrinsic value. You don't know why and you don't know what that idea is predicated on from a metaphysical perspective, but you do accept it and you do act it out and so to me what Means is you believe it whether you know it or not. Now you can argue about that because you can argue about what it means to believe something. But I tend to think that believe exists in relationship to action rather than into in relationship to objective conceptualization. And so the idea and then there's a very interesting little twist in the Genesis story because what happens when God makes man and woman and this is a very bizarre thing is that he basically says that men and women are met made in the image of God now God in that particular story is plural, but that's not really relevant to our to our concerns. And I think that's remarkable in a variety of ways because number one. Well, we don't exactly know what the image of God means but we can place that in relationship to the idea that it was the word of God that extracted order out of chaos. And so what that seems to intimate is that it's the capacity of the human being to extract order from chaos, that's equivalent. Want to Divinity perhaps in a reduced form and I think that that's a I think we believe that I think that we believe that and I think it's right even worse than that. And then the other thing that's a damned is our about that is it's not just men. It's women too. And that's something that's something that I have a very difficult time accounting for because I don't understand why a society that was as deeply patriarchal as say the ancient Jewish Society. Why in the world that that would also be attributed to women but it is anyways, it doesn't matter. So the you know, the the the identity with God is equally distributed between men and women. So that's quite cool. So anyways back to Rabbi. It's Jack Mormon armor Stein. He describes tale as the unfathomable undifferentiated womb out of which existence as we experience. It emerges all potential exists in this primordial energy or state. So it's potential so in some sense, that's what the chaos is potential. And so I've been thinking about that for a long time too because it seems to me that what people actually interact with is potential. You know, we think we interact with matter, but I don't think we do. I think we interact with all the various possibilities that matter might manifest and that's not the same thing so that when you're interfacing with your existence, what you're doing is taking a very large number of potential Futures which are basically laid. Out front of you and actualizing one or the other as a matter of your choice. And so I think the thing you're interacting with isn't matter. It's the multiple potential states that matter could manifest itself in and I think that's what we call potential and Consciousness seems to collapse that into an action to into actuality. So all potential exists in this primordial energy or state metaphorically. It is a confused see They Mask The Abyss the deep and the surging bellowing of the Waves tohu similarly is a chaotic condition. So that's interesting because there's a psychological element there or a place without color or form or more specifically something that seems to for a moment to have form. But when looked at again Losses that form. Toe who is this subjective effective chaos the force that confounds people and that causes them to have misleading Visions. So it's very psychological in nature that that particular concept and then VRBO who finally is related to toe who I'm sure I'm pronouncing those wrong but means more specifically the indistinct entangled confused mass that all forms once were prior to their division and two separate kinds of objects. So the heavens and the Earth. So those are the next elements out apart from the chaos comprise the vast and spiritually stunning places that rise above us as well as the material domain that makes up our physical being and the physical being of those things we experience this material domain is both a trap in which our consciousnesses are caught and the a priori precondition for individual existence in its destructive and vulnerable, but potentially Tempt of aspects the creation narrative in Genesis has deeply embedded within it the idea that the materiality of the World clothes partial beings incomplete avatars of God whose purpose is the continuation and potential Perfection of the incompletely Manifest being characterizing the original creation. This process so that's that's the process now, we've got the order and we've got the chaos. And now we've got the process. The process creation is characterized by the second word in Genesis, which is borrow according to the kabbalist Aiden Stein sells. The creation represented by barah is not the coming into existence of something new but the transmutation of a Divine and illimitable reality in some into something defined and delimited. Particularized and actualized this analysis of Barra seems very Illuminating first because of the tributes genuinely creative power to Consciousness and cognition creative the limiting and second because it seems so closely related to the Christian idea of the logos logos. One of the most remarkable of all the ancient philosophical or theological conceptions is a word with an extraordinarily broad range of meaning it means our everything our modern word Consciousness means and more it means mind and the creative actions of Mind exploration Discovery reconceptualization reason and speech logos is further something whose relationship to the mirror material is so fundamental that the material does not really exist at all in its absence. Finally. It is something whose workings are essentially Redemptive continuing and perfecting the process of creation. It is generally transcribed in the Christian tradition has the word His closely identified with the transcendental being of Christ as well as with the original creative force of God. This is a very peculiar identification from the perspective of strip temp strict temporal logic because it is the word of God that creates order out of chaos, and that word is a phenomenon that predates the birth of Christ from the temporal perspective. So that's all exceptionally. It's very it's exceptionally. Incomprehensible, I would say fundamentally. It's a an unbelievable Matrix of sophisticated ideas. And one of the reasons I started to explore this was because you know, I was very obsessed as you all know with the dynamic struggle between essentially between Soviet communism and and the Western worldview and if you're a rationalist and a relativist then basically what you have to Proclaim is that both societies predicated themselves on Every Axiom so arbitrary descriptions of right and wrong and that basically what was happening was that there was a war to see which of those arbitrary systems would dominate but I thought well if it's just a matter of arbitrariness, then we're really in trouble because the only way you could possibly first of all neither of those systems are right or better in any real sense of the word and second. The only way that could be possibly settled is by Brute Force. So then I thought well what if I look into the origins of the ideas that are characteristic of the West we know where the bloody communist ideas came from because they were written down by Marx that's pretty obvious. But the ideas of things like natural rights and in the west, they're very peculiar ideas. They're obviously metaphysical ideas. And then you might ask yourself. Well, are those mirror arbitrary statements or is there something deeper underneath them? And so that's partly what led me back to the analysis of these texts. For example Because the ideas emerged out of the text, it's not like somebody just sat around and thought the damn things up there very very old ideas. And it doesn't look to me like the Matrix that they emerged out of was actually a matrix of ideas. It was more like a matrix of behavior and it's over thousands and thousands of years. And so that's when I started to understand that the conception of the individual in the west is something like that which mediates between Order and Chaos and the that's not merely a That's an ontological statement rather than a theoretical statement. It's a statement about the nature of reality not about models. So to speak and you know, I would add to that the fact that we don't understand a damn thing about Consciousness except that it clearly exists and that it also seems to me to be phenomenally logically accurate. I mean when you guys are you're all in this situation right now and probably possessed by anxiety because of it as soon as you graduate what emerges in Of you is a huge field of fun map potential. And it seems to me that there's no other way of saying that that's more accurate so we could just assume that that is what confronts you and that what you're doing as you navigate your way through it in one form or another is actualizing that potential into some into some reality that you inhabit that is hopefully operating in accordance with what you both need and want but you certainly view yourself as at least to some degree as a being that is capable of doing that. It seems to me I mean you Assume that you can choose what you're going to do after you go to university like you don't have infinite choice. And it seems perfectly reasonable to presume that that's anxiety-provoking. Why wouldn't it be we also know from Empirical research that an unstructured future is hard on people. They produce stress hormones like mad if they don't know what they're doing or why if there's a lot of unexpected potential lying around. All right. The fundamental story of the first part of Genesis is predicated on the assumption that chaos can be conceptualized as a matrix as something with a metaphorically female aspect a matrix. By the way. That's a matrix is something out of which matter arises. It's the same word Matrix matter mother. Those are all the same words and one of the things that's very interesting about the word matter is that we use it in two ways. Right? And I think it's a reflection of the tow Hoover boohoo divide one thing. Things are made out of matter. And then the other thing is that things matter and part of the Old Testament conceptualization of matter is that it's partly matter and partly what matters. and part of the Old Testament conceptually conceptualization of matter is that the world is made out of what matters so And I again I don't think that's a metaphor. I think you're near I think you're nervous system is actually set up in that manner because the way your brain reacts to the world is as if it matters and since your brain evolved and since we don't know any other way of producing an entity that can adapt to reality without Evolution, then the fact that your brain evolved to treat the world as if it matters would indicate that the reason for that is because it matters And I don't see any way out of that argument. So that because the normal argument is the physical substrate is primary and anything that matters is Epi phenomenal, right? That's part of the subjective or qualia, but I don't see any evidence whatsoever. That that's how your brain is organized. I think all the evidence suggests the opposite and that your first attracted to what matters and then you parse it out into the world. So so good you try untangling that but I haven't been able to untangle it so Right, right. Well, he has heard of this point is that that meaning manifests itself? That's that's why he's a phenomenologist because the root word of phenomenology is famous Thai which means to shine forth and it's the a priority state right? And you know, I think that you can Assimilate those theories to ideas like the root the ground of existence is something like information rather than something like matter. It's actually not like matter because whatever at the ground of the world we have no idea about doesn't even act like matter. It's very strange stuff, but I think it acts at least as much like information as it does like matter. Right, right. Well that that that yes, that's a reflection of the idea that limited limitation has utility, you know, and so that or that even that limitation is a precondition for meaning or more I think limitation is a precondition for being so one of the things that that led me to conclude is that there's a there's a there's a logic in that if there can't be being without limitation. and limitation produces tragedy Then how is it possible to have being that's acceptable and I think the answer to that is well, that's what the Redemptive question is. The root of morality that the essence of morality is to determine how to live so that you can have being with with tragedy held in abeyance sufficiently so that the being is worth having it's a very tricky thing to do because the tragedy is built into the being and I think that what Redemptive systems attempt to manifest portray their form of Discovery is how that human being could what its structure is and part of it seems to have to do with truth. You have to confront the thing that's tragic because otherwise you can't deal with it. That's a big that's a huge part of it. And then you have Communicate the consequences of that to others that's not all of it. But that's a big part of it. That's the logos part of it. You know, you have to embody the logos fundamentally. So, okay. So now I want to move from the initial part, which is the creation of something out of nothing the origins of order itself. I want to concentrate on the story of Adam and Eve and the reason I want to do that is because I think it's an unbelievably Illuminating story in the same way that the Mesopotamian story is Illuminating and I think it's staggering the degree to which the information in it has been compressed now, I think what happens Something like this. People are always telling stories about one thing or another and they tell stories down the generations. And I think what happens is that as stories are handed down across the generations All That Remains of the stories is those elements that cannot be forgotten. And so what that means is that there's something centrally meaningful about those elements because that's what you remember you remember what's meaningful you get rid of what isn't right. So if I tell you the story of what I did today and you go off to someone else You retell The Story You're Going to compress it down to just a few lines. And those are the few lines that in some sense seemed to sum up the entire story. And that's the part. You didn't forget. So then you might ask if if a thousand people tell a story for a thousand years what's left of the story and the straightforward answer to that seems to be well, it's the part of the story that nobody can forget and that would be the part of the story. That's most richly meaningful now why precisely it would be richly meaningful. I think that's a whole different question and I don't Really know how to answer that I think to some degree at echos in people, you know, it's like and we don't understand that exactly, you know, you go to a movie and the movie will reach a climax and all of a sudden little it'll produce an emotional release in you, you know, maybe you'll start to cry doesn't mean you know exactly why it's something in you is responding to it. So it's echoing in you in some sense. So you might even say that the structure of the story comes to match the structure of your caring. It's something like Not so it's a mirror of your psyche and in some way. Is well partly We There are actual ways. We do know that because there are first of all what tends to happen in the historical story is that it isn't changed. That's the rule it's its permanence. So for example, grizzly bears now and grizzly bears a hundred and fifty thousand. To go. There are the same and roughly speaking the farther you go back in time. The more people are the same from one generation to another they don't change at all. So for example among the Australian Aborigines before the Europeans came, there's not a lot of evidence of cultural transformation over 25 thousand year period and so I don't think we really understand the degree to which a static culture is actually static the same thing just happens over and over and the same stories are told and I don't think they're told in exactly the same way as the as the the the story or that game that you're describing because first of all the knowledge is distributed to some degree in everyone. So even if you told a part of the story and you told it wrong then someone else is going to correct you so the story is actually distributed throughout the entire Society. So so I don't think it's nearly as fragile as people assume now, I don't obviously there are times in history where those things start to transform. Rapidly, but I think that's what happens when the population starts to grow and diverse separated Community start to come back together and then the story starts to transform. But other than that, I think the a priori condition is stability not transformation. Now, we do know for example, there's a group of people on in Northern Japan called the a new and God only knows where they came from. There's all sorts of theories about that but one of the things That's interesting about the a new is that they have a ceremony that involves the worship of bears that seems to have exactly the same structure as the structures of bear worship that have been found in neolithic caves in Western Europe. So the way the Bears skull is set up on the Altar and so forth is the same as the caves that were discovered in Western Europe, even though there's a gap of approximately 25,000 years. So so I don't think that broken telephone analogy is quite right. because that's only it's sentence level first usually and the only person who knows the message to begin with is one person and there's no context for the message. So it's an interesting analogy and I also think some of it's useful because I do think stories transform themselves across time to some degree even with the retelling because the language is going to shift and move and so forth, but I don't think we should assume that the default position is noise. I think we should assume that it's signal So, okay, Adam and Eve. The first thing that happens is that they were both naked the man and his wife and we're not ashamed. So the first thing you might ask is well what is meant by naked and what is meant by ashamed and so then you think well, there's a number of things about people that are quite peculiar and one is that we're closed. And although there are some people who go about naked it's not the standard human position in the world. In fact. You can actually trace the the origin of cloth using the evolutionary structure of lice because there are some lice who have evolved hold onto cloth not hair and they've tracked the DNA development the genetic development of those lice back more than 25,000 years. So people use cloth and they use it. Well, they use it obviously for production, but they also use it for all sorts of sin. Like routines, but the point is that there it does seem to be a particular human relationship with the idea of nakedness. Now, you might ask yourself. Why and what does it mean that that the original people might have been naked and not ashamed and why would that be a surprise to the readers? Because obviously one of the things that sentence presumes is that the reader is going to assume that the fact that the men and women who were naked were not ashamed is actually a deviation from the norm. So here's what I've made of it and you can tell me what you think. First of all, they weren't self-conscious. Now you might ask. Well, what would that have to do with nakedness and I would say well a huge chunk of white people don't run around naked is because they're self-conscious and there's a bunch of reasons for that is that well human beings are standing up. First of all, like unlike other animals. And so the most vulnerable parts of us are exposed not only to the world but directly to the view of other people and so most animals run around an old for and that means they basically have armored backs right there volts vulnerable parts are Full Center in front for everyone to see so human beings also mate face-to-face, although they don't have to and that also heightened self-consciousness and then in relationship to shame shame is actually a emotion that seems to be manifested under conditions of judgment. And so you might say well people are often afraid of public speaking. Hi. You guys are afraid of public speaking how many of you are afraid of public speaking? Okay, how many of you are completely comfortable with? Public speaking? Oh, that's good. That's quite that's quite amazing. So, okay, so why might people be afraid of public speaking? You bet that's a lot of eyes looking at you right and often people who are afraid of public speaking won't meet the eyes. They look down and what that basically means is they're reacting to the crowd as if it's a predator the best way to overcome that is to start looking at people and you don't look at the crowd because there isn't a crowd you look at individuals within the crowd and then that's no problem because you know how to do that. It's a great way to decrease your fear of public speaking Okay, so, How about speaking in front of a crowd naked? That's a common nightmare by the way, so what do you think about that sound like fun? No, why why right and so what's the problem with the scrutiny? Why? Why? That's right. You have a lot of flaws and your bloody well aware of them, you know, and it's bad enough to have your intellectual flaws revealed but to add to that your physical flaws, you know, when you could think about that as you're deviation from an implicit ideal, it's something like that right people don't like that. That's why you never except for the Naked News, huh? You never see that happening. Are you virtually never see that happening except under very specific conditions. So part of the the issue with being naked and ashamed is that Nakedness has to do with flaws. So you might say well, what does it mean to see yourself as naked? Well, I think what it means is to see yourself with all your vulnerabilities and that's like your local vulnerabilities which just happens to be how hideous you are as a physical entity, but then there's even worse which is if you're really self conscious and aware of what it means to be vulnerable because let's say that's what's at the core of nakedness is you also realize you're flawed and Mortal nature. Across time. So that's partly the burden of the fact that you're physically imperfect in degenerating all at the same time. And that's something that human beings understand and that no other animal understands. It's a big deal. So I think partly the reason that we put on clothes is so we don't freeze to death when it's cold, but part of it also is this to separate ourselves from continual scrutiny a lot of that's going to be sexual scrutiny to an evaluation. We Shield ourselves from that so that we can do some other things now and And so the original people didn't have that problem. So I think they weren't self-conscious. That's the first thing to notice. So, okay. The next thing that happens is that the atom is complaining about the fact that he doesn't have any company, right? So God, does this the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh instead thereof and the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man made he a woman and brought her unto the man and Adam said this is now bone. Bone of my bones and Flesh of My Flesh. She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man. So I want to read you something about this because one of the interpretations of that especially feminist interpretations of the that story is that that makes women subordinate to men and it also inverts the natural order because obviously men come from women rather than women coming from men. And so the idea there is that that's something like a patriarchal presumption that overthrew the original matriarchal order which there Has none by the way, that's a faulty Arc. Anthropological Theory. There was never a pre patriarchal matriarchy. It's a it's a it's a missed Place myth that's historicize because you know in the scheme that I showed you the feminine is underneath the masculine so to speak right? So in some sense the feminine nature is out of that out of which culture Springs, but that's a psychological truth. Not an anthropological truth. So It is it is it is. Yes, and I'm going to read you why that is but yes, it is exactly that but there's a reason for it and it has to do it has to do with the idea that the central element of human being is logos. Regardless of whether it's man or woman now logos his are also symbolically masculine because it's associated with the heroic part of the individual. So let me read this because again, it's too complicated for me to conjure up on the fly. So it is of course contrary to the entire scheme of nature that woman be derived form. And and it is very tempting to read a simple patriarchal Prejudice into that derivation. I think it is more appropriate to give these ancient and incomprehensible Stories the benefit of the doubt and to For something more profound logos is symbolically masculine and that would be partly because of the idea of mardik against I am at for example, there are diverse reasons for this that have little to do with simple ideological Prejudice or with gender per se the profound implicit idea put forth in this creation sequence woman from man is that the individual woman rather than the mere female is a product of logos and not simply a daughter of matter. Matter mother or nature? Thus the story does not denigrate the female as is now commonly postulated but elevates human being itself man and woman above it simply material and symbolically feminine substrate. Now. There's a there's a there was some there was a whole series of ancient writings that were uncovered in in the late 1950s that are now called the Gnostic Gospels and hypothetically there. New Testament gospels of a whole variety of sorts that were that were defined as non-canonical by what became the Christian church and so they were they all emerged in the late 1950s. It's a fascinating story because the people who discovered them if I remember correctly. It's been a long time since I read this their father had been killed by someone and so they went out to find the guy who killed him and killed him and then they went to a cave to beryllium and when they dug in the cave, they found all these am Rod that had been buried for thousands of years and then they took them home and their mother used a bunch of the papers that were inside them to light fires with so the family could cook but an Antiquities dealer came along and recognize them for what they were and squirrel them away now weirdly enough and I don't remember how this happened either is that one of them one of these manuscripts called The Gospel of Thomas. Made its way to Carl Jung and he was the only person in the entire world who had access to any of the Gnostic Gospels until probably 25 years ago when they were finally more or less released to Scholars. So that's also extremely bizarre. So anyways, there's a quote from the gospel. Yeah. It's very very bizarre. It's a very amazing story. So anyways, there's all these gospels and now they've been translated in various ways and you can buy them as the Gnostic Gospels and the gnostics were a group of early Christians who believed that Redemption could The obtained through knowledge as much as Redemption could be attained through faith. And that was basically crushed by the developing Christian church. So anyways young is often regarded as a kind of Gnostic but it's still it's really quite remarkable that he ended up with the Gospel of Thomas. I think that's just like an in comprehensible fundamentally. So a similar idea this the individual woman rather than the mere female is a product of logos. And so there's an idea and the Gospel of Thomas. Similar ideas put forth in the Gospel of Thomas in more thoroughly elaborated form. Simon Peter said to them make Merry leave. Uh, so he's talking about the disciples and Mary Magdalene is in amongst the disciples. And so Simon Peter says to all the disciples make Mary leave us for females. Do not deserve everlasting life. Jesus said look I will guide her to make her mail. So that she too may become a Living spirit resembling you males for every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven. So the question is what exactly does that mean? Well, I would say, you know, you can think about it. What do you think's happened since women discovered the birth control pill, you know, it seems to me fundamentally that what's happened. Is that women have taken on the Have masculinity that's what they want because that's associated with freedom and exploration and and and the kind of creativity that's associated with the Mind rather than I'm not going to say mirror biological creativity because it's not mirror. It's important but it's not it's not of the essence of Consciousness lycee or it's not of the essence of spirit. And so I don't think that the birth control pill could have even come about as a possibility if there. Aunt the lingering idea in Western culture that attributing to women the same spiritual phenomenology that or abilities that characterize men wasn't the possibility right because you might say women were emancipated because of the pill but then you might say well what were the preconditions that would allow a society to do something as radical as to invent the pill now, obviously one of the preconditions was that there was enough of an agreement in This agreement among the scientific community that the idea of allowing women voluntary control over their own reproductive status wasn't the kind of heresy. That should have been punished by like instant death. And even even even though that idea was there there was still a huge battle and still is between Catholicism roughly speaking in the western world and the idea of birth control because it's still part of Catholic dogma that if you're a good Catholic you don't do that and I don't know if you know this or not. But you know that generally women women have a menstrual period about once every 28 days. Well, you know that's built in that was built into almost all formulations of the birth control pill, even though it wasn't necessary. So the guy who invented the pale decided that it would be three weeks on and one week off so that the menstrual cycle would stay intact so that it wouldn't look as much like a deviation from the natural order to all those people who are opposed to birth control when the simple matter is You can take birth control all the time and never have a menstrual period and that isn't a problem or it's you know, maybe it has to happen now and then but it certainly doesn't happen have to happen on a weekly basis or a monthly basis. So Jung believed in the 1950s. There's this phenomena that occurred in Catholicism again, which I don't understand very well, but part of the idea was that there was a shift in Catholic dogma in the mid-50s, and there was a tremendous movement in the Catholic World to to to appreciate Eight Mary as a Daya T roughly speaking along with Christ and and God and the Holy Ghost. So it was as if Mary was being added as the fourth part of the Trinity and it wasn't a movement. It wasn't an idea that the aristocracy of the church imposed on the masses. It was exactly the other way around the idea that Mary was to be uplifted into heaven roughly speaking. So she would be beside God and Christ was an idea. That was really popular in the Mediterranean. Reese and also in Central and South America where where Mary worship is a huge element of Christianity and what happened was because of that popular pressure the Catholic aristocracy announced Mary's and this is where I haven't got the terminology exactly right her Ascension into heaven in the mid-1950s and you believe that that idea was movement in the collective unconscious and the movement was that the imagination of the western World had progressed to the point where it was self-evident that there was that the feminine element of being was under represented in the idea of Daddy and that it needed to be elaborated up with all of the other mostly masculine symbols. And then he would have read that as a precursor to the possibility that the pill could have even become a an idea like the underlying imagination had to be arranged to allow that to be a possibility before any of that research could have even been conducted much less the product. Sold, you know because you have to think gotta think how Bloody much preparation does it take for a culture to allow a birth control device to be sold for General use it's not like that happens just because it's invented. I mean forget that you know, it's still People have by no means yet come to terms with that. So. I'll tell you the last the next part of this story and then we'll stop until next week. So and the Lord God took the man and put him into the Garden of Eden to dress it and keep it. Okay. So that's an interesting idea. I think because so what it's now what the story is proposing is that there's a universal habitation for mankind and the universal habitation is the idea of the garden now Eden means well-watered place and Paradise means it's from Paradiso means a walled enclosure so that the original Garden is a walled enclosure that's well-watered. Then you think well, what exactly is a garden and it seems to me that a garden is a productive Union of Nature and culture. So it's another order and chaos Union, right? So a perfect garden is beautiful because it's natural but it's also beautiful because it's attended to and paid attention to and a garden is also something that's productive. Active right? It's not just chaotic Wilderness. It's a place where you can live. So the idea is that human beings have to live inside walled Gardens. And so there's a physical element to that which is just true and then there's a metaphysical element to it, which is that the the environment of a human being is the proper admixture of Chaos and Order and it has to be bounded. So and then there's a there's a very interesting corollary to that which I think is tremendously Resting is that there's a snake in the garden? And that's an interesting thing because part of that is the recognition that you can't have a place of bounded Chaos and Order that's productive without having something in it. That's it's disruptive. There's no way of getting the disruptiveness out and that's because imagine here's the problem and this has been discussed intensely in Christian theology because there's a relationship between the snake and Satan which is something we'll talk about later but If you if you're surrounded by infinite potential in some sense and that's chaos and you try to wall off part of it. You can't keep the chaos out. You can only keep it out partially in some sense because it's going to come sneaking back in because you can't erect a wall that's going to keep out all the potential from a designated safe place. And so if you have to live in a garden, you're going to encounter snakes and there's and not even God himself can keep the damn snakes out of the Because it's a inevitable consequence of Walling off a small section from the from the from the hole. So, let me see if I can give you an example. Well, I can think of a metaphysical example, which is you know, you're going to inhabit one of your conceptual structures and attempt to keep that matched with the world. That's like a walled space you're saying these are the relevant things. This is the place that I can inhabit, but the fact of the matter is is that as your Walling off that little enclosure for you to inhabit. There's dynamism all around you and the dynamism is going to The structure of this limited place that you're attempting to inhabit and at some point it's going to poke its head through. You just can't seal something off from everything. The thing is going to come back in. Now one of the things that happens in the Genesis story is that the snake is actually something to which Adam and Eve cannot not attend. That's the other thing. That's so interesting. So the snake pops up in what's essentially paradise and human beings attention. Is he immediately drawn to it and I would also say that it's what human beings are like, you know, if we walled-off something in attempted to make it perfect and secure and something pops up inside that's unexpected and predatory and attractive. The first thing we're going to do is be automatically drawn to it. And then if we interact with it, what it's going to do is to increase our consciousness. And that is what happened as human beings evolved because one of the things we know is that we co-evolved with snakes. We co-evolved with predatory snakes and Lynn is Bell has demonstrated that the Acuity of primate Vision among very large and diverse range of primates is correlated quite highly with the prevalence of predatory snakes in the environment. And so the the the Genesis story draws this tremendously complicated analogy and one analogy is Makes give people vision and the other analogy is the snake is actually representative of the chaos that surrounds every bounded order and so it tells the story of psychological abstraction. So that would be Consciousness versus the unknown and it overlays that on primate snake and it's because it's the same it's the same idea to levels of abstraction. So you have the same reaction to unexpected things that occur in your pristine environment. Aunt as your distant ancestors would have had to the appearance of a snake in a place that they regarded as secure and use the same damn circuits, it's the same thing and one of the major claims in the story of Genesis is no Gardens without snakes. And so, you know, the story is set up so that God tells men and women to ignore the damn snake and not to pay any attention with it not to interact with it and also not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil which we'll talk about later but human beings don't do that. They they interact with the snake and they become self-conscious which is a catastrophe and that's how it shown in the in the story as well. So as soon as human beings become self-conscious, they get thrown out of paradise so you can read it this way. We got so smart by paying attention to the damn snakes that we figured out. We were mortal. They drove cortical Evolution, especially the evolution of the visual system. Now, I'm not trying to reduce it to a unit dimensional phenomenon. But the point is once you get cortically elaborated enough at some point you're going to discover time which we have discovered and once you discovered time, you're going to discover one of your boundaries and one of your boundaries is temporal boundary and that means that you die and that's sort of like the ultimate manifestation of self-consciousness and then as soon as you know that you're going to die while you're not in Paradise anymore, that's for Sure, and then you have to start taking you have to start preparing for the future in a self conscious Manner and one of the things that happens to add them what once guard catches up after he's become self-conscious as God says to straightforwardly well now you've done it, you know, you've become self-conscious now, we'll all you're going to be able to do for the rest of history is work. You're going to be condemned to work and you might say well what's the definition of work? That's easy. It's the sacrifice of the present for the future. And you won't do that. Unless you're self-conscious because why the hell would you prepare for the future unless you knew that it might consist of nothing but trouble and you know Genesis portrays that Discovery as something that's absolutely fundamental to the to the ground of human existence. It's only part of what it portrays and so we'll talk about some of the other details when we get together next week. Now, what I want to do is I want to tell you this story. I want to show you how it Relates to the emergence of self-consciousness and that's the collapse of paradox. And so it's the same idea as the descent into the underworld. So the Bible in some sense is a descent into the underworld and then a Ascension story. It's precisely that because it's a Redemptive story history starts when people descend into chaos and the entire historical element of the Bible is part of the attempt of human beings to lift themselves out of the painful self-consciousness that they've Fallen. into as a consequence of interacting with the snake and the fruit so This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US. Of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.

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I think sports medicine and in a lot of different aspects of medicine is becoming a lot more holistic and that we're starting to appreciate more and more of the effect that mental health and the brain has on performance. I mean, we know that that athletes were fatigued and not sleeping and and I have a bit of that exhaustion just they've decreased performance and they have higher perceived exertion who are cognitive function and we know that that athletes haveMental illness at four to five times the rate of the population so we know that this is a common issue. Welcome to the Super Sports mom podcast a place for all moms of Minnie and mighty athletes to get support and insights into the World of Sports. This is your place to learn grow and black. I am a sports dietitian former Elite athlete and New View Sports mom inviting you to adventure together. Together this podcast is sponsored by eat this for performance the home of Champions. Hi, welcome to the SSM podcast episode number 30. I'm your host Pearl nurenberg. And today I have a special guest who is going to talk about a topic that is near and dear to so many of us. It's a topic that touches every coach every parent every player in Some respect maybe you've experienced the deeper version of dealing with athletes and working with athletes who are struggling with their mental health. Now, I bring it up right away as this is a topic we dive into further in the episode, but I want you to know first and foremost that we here and eat this for performance want you to feel supported and want you to have resources if you are dealing with any aspect of anxiety depression. Ian the intense pressures that get put on athletes often bring about these and as you just heard dr. Anderson talked about it is actually way more prevalent in the athletic population that probably has something to do with all the pressures we put on ourselves as athletes and all that excitement that comes with those pressures makes it so enticing to keep piling on the trainings the different practices and the Petitions. So let's take a load off for a second and delve in with dr. Jordan Anderson. He's going to talk to us about some of the signs and some of the ideas around stress. And so we're going to talk about in particular this idea that we read about in one of his articles. He wrote for cross ice hockey website talking about the different zones of stress and what we can be, you know looking out for in our own athletes. It's dr. Anderson is currently finishing up his medical residency at Queen's University and he hails from Regina Saskatchewan where he completed his medicine at University of Saskatchewan and he has a great training background. He says he's played lots of sports and he's going to talk to us about his climb to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro, which I think is very interesting because there's a lot of parallels in his It's with what we deal with in sport and it's certainly an athletic feat. So I just had to be fascinating to hear a bit more about that experience. So let's we're going to dive in a second with this interview. But let's also let you know about a special event coming up in just a few short days here at eat this for performance. I was almost going to say weeks. But you know, we're actually getting down to days and we have this challenge for our community where we are actually going to do. Do something epic with our mindset around our body and it has to do with all the aspects that make us the most performing human being you could possibly be and we call it the map your performance body and we're going to talk about all of the things that make you up. Your body composition is a part of that. So if you're looking to gain muscle mass trim down on body fat, we're certainly addressing that but we're addressing much more than that. We're even bringing in the mental health aspect as well because we know that You start even chipping away at things like gaining muscle mass or losing body fat mental health comes in big time. We want to make sure we are not getting de zones of obsession of food restriction, and we want to make sure that you have the right tools resources and ideas going into let's say a summer training program or any training program in a season where you are going to be set up for Success. So this is coming up you can go get into the challenge at ET for P.com Challenge and join us there now. Let's roll the interview with dr. Jordan Anderson. So welcome Jordan to the SSM podcast. It's really lovely to have you here today. Yeah. Thanks so much. It's really happy to be here. I think the the rookie guys are doing is really great to them. I'm honored to be part of it too. We have some very interesting topics to delve into in the expertise. You bring two moms today in both medicine and I want to go a little deeper into the psychology that you've spoken about before and some past articles. But before we get, you know too into the weeds, why don't you tell us about yourself? Where do you come from? How do you get to be in the practice of medicine and particularly interested in sports medicine? Yeah, for sure. So, so as you mentioned, my name is Jordan and I'm currently in My Family Medicine Residency at Queen's University. T and I'm an aspiring Sports Medicine physician. So I grew up in Regina Saskatchewan and I did med school at the University of Saskatchewan so far. I've been quite passionate about sports medicine and my experience so far has been mostly focused on Junior Hockey and football athletes my biggest experience so far, I the honor of working with the Canadian medical team at the University games in Taipei 2017, and I guess a little bit about myself so I played Every sport growing up like like a lot of kids out there but really didn't play any of them particularly. Well more recently. I've kind of fallen in love with Crossfit and use that to kind of stay active and competitive and actually finishes the the number one ranked medical doctor in Canada for the worldwide, which the big kind of cross the pump pump awesome. Yeah and over the years. I've had lots of experience coaching so I coached Youth Sports like football and I've also Push a bit of CrossFit along the way and also really enjoy hiking and I actually got to climb Mount Kilimanjaro 16 which was a which is really great experience. Okay. So when did you decide I mean that is a big experience to climb Mount Kilimanjaro. So what was that like, so it was as well hardest things I've ever done is I've asked the underrated that experience a lot. So I wanted to go on a big hike like that and I wasn't willing to risk my life on Everest like a lot of people out there are but I had a cousin a good friend of mine who had climbed it and kind of recommended it. And so I got prepared and I was a lot of mental preparation as much as physical preparation and I think I mean my experience getting over there and and going up the mountain was was quite interesting. But what I found the biggest challenge was dealing with the altitude actually, so to think that you can imagine it's just Actually didn't never really had to deal a lot with but I just remember on the summit baby. We climbed almost 2,000 meters in about eight hours. And I remember getting to the top and I've never had altitude sickness like that before I was you know, I was dizzy and faint and I was really sick to my stomach and I was throwing up and I don't know if I'd ever felt worse in my life, but it was one of those things you think, you know, you come so far and you know, there's only a couple hours more to go and really kind of pushing pushing through at the end was Like I said was one of the hardest things I've ever done and yeah, it was one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had in my life. So how much preparation did that take for you? When you how far in advance do you start in terms of your physical reading up on it and maybe doing some nutrition planning. So it was kind of six or eight months in advance mean as I mentioned that we do across a profile in that kind of kept my physical abilities up where I needed to be but I realize I needed to do a little more kind of distance training and and that kind of stuff so I had a little bit of trouble simulating out. you didn't and hills and Saskatchewan, but I you know, I wanted some someone hikes with thoughts kind of heavy baggage and did my best to kind of simulate what that was like and I made it you can only simulated so much and there's so much of that experience that you just you just can't prepare for which I can mean so many things in life, but I mean, you know, I like to have my died dialed in as much as I can especially before big events like that, but they once we once we get kind of of climbing on the hike they kind of have all the food arranged for so that was kind of out of my hands and I was a little bit at the as a little bit at their Mercy coming in tonight. So, you know, you do as much repairing as you can and just kind of hope for the best and so then probably the mental preparation came in pretty big there. So it was huge. Yeah. I mean you never you never know what to expect with with something like that, you know, it's going to be long days and and you're going to be sore and your Retired but fortunately I had I had to two guys that were in their 60s that were up there climbing it with me as part of our group and you know, whenever you get tired you look at those guys. Gosh, it's those guys can do it and you'll surely I can keep keep moving forward and then I think kind of the bond that we had really helped carry us towards the top especially when like I mentioned the altitude was was really getting to us all and we were all battling quite quite a lot. And like I said, you can you can prepare as best you can for for the mental challenges, you know, kind of make sure you're the right head space before you before you start something like that. But a lot of it comes down to kind of your your mental grit and how much you can push through it gets uncomfortable. Yeah. So did you find that the training you did like, what did you do to prepare your your mental state for that? I found a lot of visualization was really helpful for me. So trying my best to imagine what it would be like to you know, get to the top of the mountain but to face the struggles along the way really to to imagine what it's going to feel like when your legs are tired and you're you're a key and you're sore and you know, you don't really want to keep going and you want to just take a rest, but you don't really have that luxury at that time. I was doing a lot of a lot of meditation yoga in the evenings as well. And I found that Quite beneficial for me and I was able to use some of those some of those skills just to kind of help reframe my mindset when I was on the hill. Yeah, that's probably the biggest knuckle prints that I had and then do you find being in a team like kind of pushes you up even more when you're there? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It was I mean hike is very much an individual sport in a lot of ways, but that team aspect that I had been around. So much growing up was was so huge. Its that support system that you have with one another. It's that kind of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation that you have from there's there's other people around you are pushing for the same goal and being able to work with each other, you know, when the when times get tough, but also when you're when the when the times are good and you guys can take it easy and you know can share some laughs and really share that Bond. It's it it reminded me a lot of plants. Sports and I was growing up and so that having it like I said having that a team aspect really helped helped all of us. I think yeah, I can see so many parallels to climbing Mount Kilimanjaro and the experience you talk about and were an Elite Sport. It's like that that literally your you know, the Peak Performance. So you're going for the peak. So on that note. I will also take me into Your years in the medical medical school down front of me and then you tell me that you have this passion for mental health. Tell me about that like how how this started and where you hope to go with this. Yeah. That's a that's great. So I so I initially got into med school and 2014 in Saskatchewan and made me like like anybody who just gets into med school. I mean things are great. It's really exciting. It's something you work for for so many years. And obviously those schools very hard isn't I think everybody knows so as as as a month but a long I realized I was starting to struggle a little bit. I was sleeping way more than I should have been and was just really irritable and had really low motivation and just was really not feeling like myself and if seeking help and I had being diagnosed with depression anxiety in my first year. So that was something that I had to had to work through and that was one of the other biggest challenges that I've ever had to face and and in doing so in part of my kind of counseling through that I started to open up with friends and family which was which is really really great. I got lots of support. I was a little slow to talk about it with by like my peers my professional colleagues. There's one day we were all sitting around in there was there's three or four of us and I was kind of opening up about how I was feeling in my experiences and a couple of them at also said, yeah, I feel the same way. I've had a lot of these things struggles and you just kind of keep pushing through those at that time. Gosh, like there's this is such a popular issue but there's really nobody talking about it, especially in the professional professional colleges that that kind of experience motivated. Me, too. To apply for a leadership position within the college and work with the mental health of the medical students in the college and that was a really great opportunity. I got the honor of creating some initiatives and did a lot of advocacy work for Med students within the college and kind of across the country to which was which was really great that passion has really persisted and I really enjoyed Can I be able to help help others with with some of these struggles and I have gotten to work with more and more athletes over the years so with like I mentioned with in junior hockey and an overseas. And I realize that there's there's a lot of parallels between between working with athletes and working with any medical students and professional colleges and then get highly motivated young people who have one big goal in mind and get very focused on that and face face a lot of challenges. So I I've been able to do a little bit of writing for that and hopefully have reached a few. People with that so I wrote a Blog for a good called skill shark, which I was very happy with the the Outreach that I got and I want to continue doing some of that work kind of in the future. So I'm actually working with dr. Carla Edwards later in the summer. Who is a split psychiatrist wrong. Well, she's really one of Canada's leaders and in working with mental health for athletes, and I'm very excited to work with her and hope to carry some of that as for Psychiatry knowledge and be able to help athletes with their mental health in my sports medicine career. Yeah, I was able to catch this article and we'll link out to it in the notes of this episode titled anxiety and depression and athletes know the signs and what struck me in looking through because you could see some visuals is this idea that we're in zones and that we're trying to keep our athletes in the yellow zone as you put it in the article where they can Thrive so can you talk to us about that and what these signs? Signs are and how we can keep athletes in this yellow zone and maybe tell us a bit more about the yellow zone. Of course, so I think this one actually applies to a very broad population but I think athletes particularly so there's a there's a wide-ranging zones from what we call the green zone to the Red Zone. The green zone is the very little stress and the red zone is the very very high stress. So the Own would be what we consider to little stress or where your kind of too laid back and almost a little bit disinterested. So where we see that so in terms of athletes who maybe have lost passion for their score to just kind of develop other interests, but are still kind of playing sport because that's what they've always done and just really really lost interest in it. And I kind of lost that passion that motivation. That's where we see the In zone, but more often we see kind of more towards the red zone. So where you get athletes who I mean spend a lot of energy and emotional effort and stress on their Sports which and of course, I think we all agree that that there's a certain level of stress that you need to succeed in sport. However, the Red Zone suggested there's there's too much stress going on. So it's where you get to the point we had lots of things. Panic attacks and lots of breakdown lots of stress poor coping with your mood and not only that it's not only the psychological effects of this but also a lot of times in the red sport performance also also tends to decrease so it can be I mean this can be manifested in a lot of different ways. So whether it be more physical things like feel nauseous you feel like you're gonna throw up Your muscles feel they're very tense, but also a lot of worry, that's kind of overwhelming in the sense where your word that you won't play. Well or that you're worried you going to let others down here working and that's what the game are having troubles focusing a lot of trouble thinking clearly which as you can imagine really would impact your performance. So what we we like to try to aim for is the the yellow zone, so it's more of a more of a happy medium. And between the two so the point where I mean, I think a little bit of stress of excitement before being a gamer before they try out I think is to be expected. But at that in the in the yellow zone, you're still focusing you're still kind of able to do the tasks that you need to do to succeed but it's not so overwhelming for you at that point. Okay. So we're looking for those signs and symptoms of too little or too much stress. Yeah, and how that can play out. In the athlete, you know, it's interesting is we're in the process here at eat this for performance of launching something called map your performance body. We're opening up a challenge to our athletes to map their performance body. And one of the things we bring up in that challenge is this we do introduce a something we're seeing in research, but that is also being talked about in sport something called relative energy deficiency in sport and it's this idea that Of athletes are trying to cut calories at certain points or cut energy for different reasons often. It has to do with body composition and there or there just for whatever reason not eating enough in their day and they're going into this Red Zone and as well in terms of like this low energy Zone and a lot of the symptoms you mentioned kind of are lined with that. So I wonder if there's like I always say there's like a lot of like psychology. Logical tie-ins to eating and that eating could bring you out of that. And is this something that you've seen or have discussed in the past? Oh, absolutely. It's huge. I think eating heads is one of many huge factors that impact. I mean athlete's performance and With with athletes competing at a high level especially in a lot of these aesthetic Sports so gymnastics and Diving and some of these kinds and cheerleading. This this kind of relative energy deficiency and concerns around eating habits are very prevalent. So yes, I absolutely think it started in my experience. I've definitely seen the impact that that stress can have on eating and that e-ticket have on stress and and see how those all really to Performance. I found what I feature in the red zone that a lot of things start to start to really struggle swords. You ready? The energy it's the eating is said before which is kind of everything and so you can imagine that finding a solution for these these kinds of athletes has is obviously not not easy at all. This is why we have great teams who helped work with these athletes. So there's a role for so many people. I mean, I think especially at a young age of parents have such a such a big role in these in these kids in terms of developing. I mean from the beginning good coping skills and and being supportive in discussing mental health and being understanding of when when their children are struggling and realizing that that's a part of life. I think that Sports psychologists and counselors have a great role in helping understand the relation between between stresses in the Motions of performance and kind of help helping in clearing up the understanding and why some of these Is his reactions are happening. I think dietitians also have a huge role in developing healthy eating habits. And a lot of these these athletes have really really struggle with what they're eating and takes a long time and a lot of work to help get get back to where you need to be coaches and athletic therapist at these guys who see these athletes everyday get to make such an impact in these in these athletes lives that similar to the parents and creating a positive environment where you can talk about mental health and talk about struggles openly and especially in these in these Sports where you see a higher prevalence of disordered eating in the relative energy deficiency, which is so important. So you talked about like opening up the discussion with within the family or with the the child and parents opening up that discussion. What what advice would you give to parents? To want to have that discussion or for athletes if you're listening, you know, if you want, how could someone approached you? That's a good question. There's it's difficult to give a blanket answer because everybody has different personality and handle stress very differently in my experience. I found that for me. Anyway, I found that finding people I'm close to so whether it be my parents or close friends of mine who initially I was very uncomfortable with the meeting that I had issues with my mental health and admitted that I was struggling. I think knowing that you have that support. System that no matter what what happens you're always going to be supported them and always get that get that feedback from from the people around you I think also I think that really helps start the discussion, I think from a from an athlete's perspective. I think having peers around you who you you can relate with then and we're going to support you throughout throughout your struggles I think is so important. And I also think that in discussing it with with parents and cultures. I think knowing that that parents are cultures truly at the end of the day just want what's best for you and I think dealing with these mental health struggles is such a such a big part of I mean growing as a person and growing it as an athlete that knowing that you can have someone teach someone to support you and athletic therapist a coach a psychologist. So important from a parent's perspective, I think creating an environment at home where you can openly discuss mental health I think is is so valuable not to necessarily dive into everybody's mental health all the time. But also just to be able to open up that conversation and to to check in on on everybody at home and see how everybody is doing it and fortunately there's been a lot of Beats over the years and I think we're seeing it more and more who have Become more open about their struggles flat Hunter think this is a great Avenue to bridge the gap between athletes and parents and to help start that conversation because I think it's so important that we do. Yeah just make it could be around the dinner table just talking about what was it the Bell talk initiative, you know, you just you sound like a different kind of doctor. So I'll just put this out there. It looks like you're trying to do something different in sport and especially opening up that discussion for athletes and families. So there is like even doing this right now the podcast opening the door of this topic just by by virtue of this interview, it's different. Alrighty, so you're because you're going into medicine, I just was curious as to how do you see medicine being done differently to you know to in especially in sports medicine. Yeah. I'm hoping to hope you'd end up doing sports medicine. So it's a good question. And I think you bringing up the Bell. Let's talk initiative. I think is is a great point. I think a lot of the work that they're doing is really great and like you were saying opening that conversation and I think it's been great since so many people athletes not athletes all different walks of life have kind of opened like open the conversation and discuss some of the struggles that they've had them really grown that empathy and and helping people realize that they're not alone. I think that in addition to as I mentioned before there with guys like damn car so and some other some of the retired hockey and football players who talk more and more about the star was that they face. I think it is. We're creating a world where it's okay to to have mental health struggles. I think that's that's okay. I think sports medicine and and a lot of different aspects of medicine is becoming a lot more holistic and that we're starting to appreciate more and more the effect that mental health and the brain has on performance. I mean, we know that that I think's were fatigued and not sleeping and kind of have a good about exhaustion. Just their decrease performance. They have higher perceived exertion who are cognitive function and we know that mental illness is sure that athletes have mental illness at four to five times during the population. So we know that this is a common issue and we also know that that mental toughness is so mental toughness meaning the ability to handle stress, I guess in that healthy and productive way is very a important protective protective factor for for mental health. So I think in terms of sports medicine, I think that we are appreciating more and more the importance of mental health on athletes and the importance of developing kind of well-rounded teams around these athletes to help support all the different different aspects of their lives that are affecting their performance outside of just the strength and conditioning and Fuse that that has been in decades past. So that's I think that's why I'm so interested in the in the mental health side of things as well as we see how how big of an impact it can have on athletes and and it's a it's a it's an area that I think is becoming more and more understood and I hope to you know to make a difference in these athletes lives one day. Yeah. Well, I certainly think you will are you already are and I know that those who are listening are, you know, just I think absorbing this idea and Maybe it's for the first time and if it is for the first time and you want to open up the conversation, you know, we'll definitely put some link outs to any resources that could be helpful in the nodes. And is there anything more you'd like to say to our to our athletes and to our Super Sports parents? Would you what would you like to say to our Super Sports parents in closing? Yeah, I think I guess my biggest advice for parents would be just knowing that. The rate of mental illness is a lot higher than we think so if your if your kid, you don't think a strawberry felt it on this they certainly may not be but know that it's more common than you probably think. So I think opening up the conversation and having that question whether there are concerns or not. I think is a good place to start and I think it helps develop that open conversation and the healthy relationship. That is so beneficial for for athletes. I think it's a small step that you can take and I think it's one that could be so beneficial amazing. Well, we'll be checking in on you and where you will end up hopefully in our town and just so thanks for coming on and sharing your wisdom and experience with the community. Really appreciate that. Awesome. Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank you for listening to the Super Sports. Mom podcast this time my wish is that you You feel more empowered than ever to live your dreams for its life. If you get inspired from this message amazing, share it with a friend and pass that inspiration along. I can't wait to share the next adventure with you. See you next time. Hey does getting the right food in front of you at the right time seem a little daunting sometimes. Well, a lot of times you're not alone and that is why here at eat this for performance. We are making people I've Easier by taking out all of the guesswork from performance eating for all the situations. You may be in eating out eating in at the grocery store or just looking at that food down on your plate wondering if that is the right thing to be eating. So we have something that we would like to give you that is our performance eating Foods list. If you hop on over to et4 p.com, you can grab our food list and start going right away. In the performance foods that you want to eat. Once you have the food list, you'll be well on your way to digging into our four-part framework and really starting to become a confident athlete or a confident parent in your food selections. So have a look and definitely reach out to us. If you have any questions whatsoever. We're here cheering you on as you eat for that top performance in sport and in life.

SSM Episode #30 Dr. Jordan Anderson's article about mental health of athletes on cross-ice hockey website caught our eye and we instantly invited him to our podcast. For anyone in sports we believe that mental health is the most important conversation we should be having. Dr Anderson is a family medicine resident at Queen’s University and aspiring sports medicine physician. He grew up in Regina, Saskatchewan, and completed medical school at the University of Saskatchewan. He works mainly with junior hockey and football athletes. He also had the honour of working with the Canadian Medical Team at the University Games in Taipei, Taiwan in 2017. Anderson played every sport growing up and has more recently fallen in love with CrossFit, and in 2019 finished as the 30th ranked MD in the Worldwide Open (1st in Canada!). During the interview we delve into his climb to the top of Mt. Kilimanjaro. He talks about how visualization and meditation helped him get there! Dr Anderson formed a passion for mental health in medical school where he advocated for student health on a provincial and national level. He received one of the 2018 CFPC Medical Student Leadership Awards for these efforts. Anxiety and depression can ruin careers and lives. We here at Eat This for Performance support the efforts of parents, athletes, and coaches to get talking about mental health. More discussions = more solutions! In fact we are rolling out some discussions and providing some solutions in more depth in our 5 day challenge to Map Your Performance Body. As we see it, great mental health is needed for a top performance.

Welcome to my life because it has supplied episode 277. Today was test Volvo FL exactly the midpoint of this month that both concludes. We make a Cashman accounting for the past year as well as Creator. Shahana preparing for the new year. But Tesla well also has a significant particularly in the Chabad calendar, which of course is effects. Not just how bad but the world itself entire Jewish world and entire world that on this day was the founding of It's mmmm Lubavitch. She was tempted women the year tough relations Ian 122 years ago on this day. So let's talk about that since it's the day we'll also talk about high L, which is later in the week and also about pasha's cassava is coming Shabbos and this is the week of Pastor cassava. So test Vaudeville says, well, those are theme we've spoken about number of times and what was the significance of the shipment of the Yeshiva. So the lab Richard who founded the issue event and the point that his son has been Yahoo! The Frigid ever to be the maniacal to be the leader to lead the Yeshiva and directed it was the focus of it was as he puts in a Country Estates are Jaime roll entire country's entire booklet describing. The purpose of the Yeshiva says there many is shiva's and there are many good years. She was teaching Taylor. He's not here to just add another issue another to learn Taylor alone, but it's the train. Generation of students with Taylor and without feathers at Phil and with Premier cetera to be armed to be able to face and deal with the challenges that are coming. Meaning not just a theoretical and academic but act applied tater. Applying it to real life and doing it in a way that will be in require. I'm a citizen nefesh and they may love and passion which isn't just purely driven by abstract Academia and knowledge and information but a total commitment which comes through pretty me cetera that adds that Caius and that vitality and later in a talk that he delivered and tougher is some McAuliffe and some cos Theta which is 1901 1900. Actually he speaks. Famous talk he gave color Yates Elohim as base David all those that go out into the war of the House of David and describes the achieve in that context as Warriors, but not in the military sense not in the physical sense, but spiritual Warriors who will fight the cynicism and we'll fight the skepticism and we'll fight those that oppose the Divine and that opposed. Mushiya as he elaborates in that talk. So when you think of it that way and you Shiva not just to teach not to minimize it. Anyway, the knowledge of Tater and the learning of theta and becoming a observant Jew being observant Jew that's committed to Mitzvahs behavior and The Vedas at Villa and everything that Judaism asks of us. But in addition to that to be armed to be able to go out and fight those battles that were brewing and will only accelerate the 20th century. So in that sense its relevance to us is extremely extremely relevant because we are in the And where we Face many many battles in that context spiritual relevance judaism's relevance and the high rates of assimilation. So here you see the fruition of the vision of the Debonair SOB that the building of the Yeshiva was to create the training ground for people to deal with these challenges today. And as a result, that's where the debe plucked his his soldiers the young men and women that will grow in our analysis are educated in time commitment. And the relevance to each one of us, of course is that we are not just learning Teta. I'm not just keeping mrs. But we're also here to use it in a way that applies and creates a way to excite people in a passionate way to be committed to making a deliberate act and remembering the goal and bring the Messiah. So in the context of a citizen applied how apropos it is. I myself learned in temperate mmmm which train there. So I'm a product one of the products of this of this training school. taught and trained in the ways of Taylor and citizen a methodology as I said to empower people to Enlighten them to inspire them until ultimately give them all the resources that they already have and revealing them the the compelling sense of urgency to go out there and be a proactive Jew a Jew that driven by Passion to commit committed to changing the environment around you and ultimately the world around us all say Hi l as we know Kyle is of course the birthday of the schnee hammer. It is suck dalen the birthday of both. The Baal Shem Tov and the alter rebbe the media sort of Taylor's considers her clothes the founder of the general cities and the founder of cities Chabad. Both are Heil and the expression was that was they're both born game reveai this year. It's also um dov'è IL involved as I know. Yes and the Wednesday and the embryos says not by she Yamcha by not Lama is time when God basically hung up the great luminaries in heaven the two great luminaries. This case is about something banal Devon who both brought what we just described and revealed the inner dimension of theta the Plymouth cetera. That was always there was given up Matt and Tara but then as the generations especially in later generations was necessary both because the world is a darker place and also as we get closer to mushiya, we have a foretaste of what will happen. Mushy x times to learn the inner Dimension to learn about godliness. Not just what God wants of us. Not just the mechanics of Judaism, but The inner workings of the neshamah of the the higher oil massage in the higher worlds and everything that we accomplish that is so important today because without it. Unfortunately, we live in an environment without it that we can also just have mechanical Judaism and Technical Judaism but not necessarily see and feel it's personal vitality and relevance in our lives - name a decided alien each in their own ways expression used at the alte dumbbell shaped of taught that every person can serve God every person can reach God and the altar debit on how everyone can reach God the example. One of the examples of leading could have been gives is the is that the is that as the the Baal Shem Tov provided the ladder and I'll tell Eva taught us how to climb the ladder and the process created a comprehensive system of citizens Chabad with by the Baal Shem Tov in the market is still on the kudus short points and altitude was marketed, especially after paterberg after he was released from prison after the storytests Kozlov. So we have today a comprehensive blueprint that applies Taylor and Yiddish kite in a personal way in addressing all the challenges that we have and not just the body of Judaism but also the soul of Judaism so you have the fusion of the inner and the outer wear when you have the fusion of that you have not just the technical body of it. You also have the soul of it which is so much the essence of this program, which is taking us to this but citizen of course means see this and neglect because they're part of Part and parcel of one Tate is Ted. I can still go Lana. It's one Teta. It just has different dimension. So you can learn to hit the Shabbos in Ziggler. You'll learn about the laws of Shoppers the mechanics what you're supposed to do what you're not supposed to do when and how and all the details and Premier started will tell you what happens on shops how the world's are elevated how we are elevated how it transforms us now always transformed us and didn't always have to be spelled out except you see this girl individuals. But today we needed spelled out as is discussed at length. We've spoken at length about it and this program. So how yellow when we celebrate scale the birthday the birthday of these two great minutes and then these two great luminaries, we honor and celebrate not just something that happened but something that's happening now and the and in the context of that, of course in the month of elul expression High L. It brings a highest into the month of L. LL always existed L was always the month of accounting for the previous year and the preparation for the new year, but you want to highest in L.A. Vitality. A dynamic energy level D kite a life full of life and passion excitement. That's what the two made us like they own but that's what considers does. So it doesn't create anything new but it reveals the inner dimension of the Soul within at all. So if you think about the teachings of the Baal Shem Tov whether it was the focus on a versus slow loving every fellow whether it was the concept of Perpetual creation concept of Divine Providence at everything a Drew Caesar. Here's is a lesson in the serving God and the other principles. These are all principles that always existed. There's no Critters fundamental hitters, but the emphasis and how to do it. That's what the Baal Shem Tov in the ultra by added. Of course with the maggid that student of the great Margaret the students of the Baal Shem Tov in the teacher of the Alta Deb and all the lab came afterwards. That's what they added. So obviously slow. It's a bit soon detective. I have to let her come on Zack Lord. God will be Theta says rabi Akiva so fundamental principle, but the question is, how do you do that by focusing on the neshamah of it when you see the neshamah, then you could say you know, what, even if I understand something you can see, how could I like a person you can't regular you can't tell me I should be kind and not be mean to anybody but actually love another person as you love yourself, but then when you understand the neshamah, which is about Shem Tov thought and the alter rebbe explains it so beautifully and pay the Klamath Basin Tanya and other elaborations Exodus on this topic preciate. Neshama. You can appreciate the oven and the same thing with our graph approaches Divine Providence has their different opinions on the matter. But Divine Providence is a principle and Taylor that guard runs the show And yet focusing and shining the light to be able to appreciate the other pretty clever was once in the visited in Germany. She was a she was staying in a hotel delegation of German rabbis from German Orthodox. Jordan. Rabbis came to see him and one of the questions they asked them they were sitting in the lobby was what did this come to contribute? They didn't have asses they were extremely committed Community for many many years and if they could have answered with looking around the lobby says what do you see the lobby had these very large Exquisite pillars marble pillars pillars of marble. They described what they see. Well pretty good ever stood up from the sofa and walked over to them with them to the one of the pillars and shined a lamp on the pillar of says, what do you see now you say we see the Engravings? We see the flowers we see the Different the different images etched in the marble. Why didn't you mention that earlier? They said because we were looking from a distance from a distance. So the marble pillars we didn't see the details. You didn't see the flowers. So that's what cities did it did not create anything new it reveals the flowers within the pillars that were always there. and that's what we think thank God for and with gratitude then we honor and celebrate the high L and fitting that it be in high Elwood IL also begin the last countdown of the last 12 days of the month of El Toro Shoshanna each day corresponding to one of the months of the past year and the web ads also to the to the coming year each day corresponds to Counting for the month that cars boxer IL corresponds to tissue that you tessel to Cashman and so on there's much much more to be said But suffice it with that and finally Pasha case of a celeb explains partially cassava connecting it to Kil case of a lot is the work is solving means when you will enter and and beer meaning Soviet when you enter into something it's an intimate and internalized way. So he said say the partial were coming from is about leaving going out to fight a war a battle because battles meant to be found outside of you and kiss overload its is entering in and what happens the midst of be couldn't of the first fruit offering acknowledging that the first fruit the best fruit the blade be couldn't from the world behavior. And that's why I prayed also by human beings and behave better camera and other first the morning my Danny we begin with that you dedicated the Was to God so cassava Daris when you enter the land that just when you will arrive when you'll enter which means you'll be internalized in what in the promised land and it's just slow. That's what cities does it creates a preemies. So the famous expression of the camera and baracus in any anchor the nurses goes like this gun Vavoom, octatrack Monica area Agony before he goes out to steal he prays to God to succeed, but that sounds insane God. I said Lee Siegel Nave in the ten commandments. So you want to ignore God you're in a moment of denial moment of momentary Insanity in of them even have Ellen campaign Nicholas Ray alien can Nicholas by roosters, but you're inviting God and saying God help me do something you told me not to do. How do you explain that inconsistency the dissonance and the answer is because our moon is maki Market means you can have a moon. It's not fake a moon, but you haven't internalized it. So there's a contradiction does not disturb the dissonance between what you believe and what you do and at the moment you do believe in God, she asked him to help and you forget these. Are you ask him to help you do something. That is it he told you not to do what is it has come takes their Moon of markets and puts it into a penis. He's so Viola audits in a pretty Is that is internalized? So it's not just an abstract belief not just a belief that doesn't necessarily affect them permeate every aspect of you but one that does Infuse and permeate every aspect so there we have lessons from test vulval Heil and partially cassava. I'll also give some cross-referencing and here's a good opportunity. This is episode 277. This is the first time you're listening to the program. Welcome if it isn't the first time so you know by now. Oh that all these episodes are archived in exodus supply.com. Yes, we created its own website because of the demand because of the need and to keep it focused and this is applied that combo you can find this and all previous episodes and they're in the cross referencing an episode 82 132 178 and 227 in previous years. I spoke about these themes different angles and different aspects if you're interested in hearing more about it. You just go there and You can go the timestamps the YouTube version when you click on the YouTube version on the desktop or a laptop. Not not on a mobile phone. You will find the time stamp that takes you straight to the topic. You may be seeking. There's also an opportunity there. You'll see there's a forum where you can submit any question you like. Nothing is off-limits. Nothing is taboo and the completely anonymously sent in place looks it has supply.com ask or just look you'll find it easily as well as other acidic resources. Of applying cities to our lives including a whole section of some of evolved and how class section and I am base. These are the classic discourses of the Deborah shop explain them translate them flowing summaries. And of course the essay contest the essays that have been submitted over the past five years by SAS from all over the world applying see this to a contemporary issue or challenge. Let's now go to questions. So question one that we're going to address now is is it prohibited to see a psychic? Thank you so much for your insightful talks. Quick question. Is it against the Jewish religion to see a psychic? Okay, it's interesting. I looked around I didn't really think about this accepted episode 27 where I did discuss it. And so that complements whatever I'm going to say now. So let's first begin with one important statement. Not everyone that Society calls themselves a psychic is a psychic. They're probably I would say the largest percentage. I may be a very large percentage are con artists or looking to make a quick buck and taking advantage of people's vulnerabilities So that obviously there's no that question, of course. And apply yub Kong by a con artist and why spend money but let us speak about someone that may actually have certain strengths. The Taylor does not deny. There's certain strengths and yet there's clear sukham that prohibit the going to anything of that type of form, but it's called a psychic or this called other names Sorcerers fortune tellers. So the Tater talks about the passion shaved impartial we're at last week. And passion shaved him Capital youth has 18 10 to 12 explicitly prohibits the going there and concludes Tom empty and my Chemeketa go straight in God's path. Tell him team a shuttlecock remains be complete be wholesome be straight simple. With God we don't need to find exotic methods and tricks and someone even if they actually have some strengths which again, as I said is also the most cases not even true. It's also a shim in safer vehicle. You Tesla mad Olive and how long are you looking at a time bomb Hills as you say they are Teta paid acute 10 lakh agimo 3 and of course, you still cannot hear the day. It is a whole section A whole simenon. It's even cufi in tests. Which is 179 so it just is clearly prohibited and just stay away from it. And the if you want the logic of it is because as I said be straight with God God has given us the resources. We need we don't need tricksters. We don't need any type of unique approaches. Especially that are not Divine and not driven by Bickle. There is the concept of a prophet a prophet but that also has severe strict criteria. What is a true Prophet versus a false prophet and the prophet is not about him. It's God prophesizing through this purse. So God wants to communicate with us, but anything that had starts having its own power so to speak and it could have is something we stay away from it's like anything that has is not like it could cover my Solace for example, the stars and the constellations. They have strengths given them by God, but it's not their own. All they are is a goddess and the other hates it it's an axe in the hand of the axman. So we don't look at that as well, even though there may be some strengths in mausolea slow, but don't even look at the Mosel because we're beyond my Solace. So that's the brief answer. And as I said, I spoke about episode 27 next question. How do I move on from my parents? Ugly divorce? Hi, Rabbi Jacobsen. I hope you get my letter. You don't know me, but you do know my parents. I recently found your show on YouTube. Although I'm not religious. My dad is and you and you present Judaism in a very meaningful way. I hope you can address my question. I'm 15 years old and I've suffered tremendously by my parents divorce my parents separated when I was 2 years old and my mother hurled all sorts of allegations against my father namely that he was abusive to her. And to me my father my parents finally came to an agreement which gave them joint custody, but then my father met his second wife and my mother moved to a different country and I went along with her. I became estranged from my father and very bitter. I believed all my mother's Lies about my father how he was abusive incapable of loving and manipulative. I even told my father that I no longer loved him and wanted nothing to do with him. I have some very nasty and hurtful things I said. I said some very nasty and hurtful things to him thinking that he is the monster my mom made him out to be my mom even changed my last name to her. Maiden name. I haven't seen or even talked to my father in many years. Thank God. I begun to see through the Mirage as I mature. I can see that my father was a loving kind man who has been unjustly maligned by my mother and I'm fernan unfairly taken out of my life while I can't know what went on during my parents marriage. I know my father never abuse. And as long as he was able to was very involved in my life and a great father. I can see a pattern in my mother's family of not remaining religious of divorce of accusations against their husbands and of Parental alienation, my mom and two of my aunt's have done it. My great-aunt also did it also keeps I also see that my father has had a stable marriage with his second wife and seems to be a great dad to stepkids. Although I haven't seen any of them in years. I could see on Facebook that they all seem to love him. My mom has let me down and I have suffered tremendously as a result of my parents divorce. I'm still young and live with my mom but have begun to be really upset at her for all the Havoc. She's created in my life. I feel I can't reach out to my father after all the horrible things. I've said to him spurred on by my mother and her Venom. I don't want to leave her and I don't want and I don't know what I would be that I would be able to live with my dad and His wife also, my dad is religious and since my parents divorce, I wasn't raised religiously and don't think that I want to do that right now. I really feel trapped. How do I move on from here? I wrote to you because I don't know who else to write to this entire situation is so embarrassing and sad for me. Okay. pains me greatly to read a letter like this to hear this and of course hard going out with full empathy to the person who has written this and yet I feel actually honored that you've written to me and that you have entrusted someone that's a complete stranger with your sacred trust and feel honored also to be able to share this with others because it's vital that people be able to speak up and have the Dignity of expression and know that someone will listen and respect and respect their questions and respect their space and respect their their dignity so though it's painful but at the same time as I said, I feel honored and thank you for the opportunity. So let me share a few words that I can share on a program like this. Obviously. I always add it's important you speak to someone and I would be honored if you want to reach out to me and we speak by phone or in person. But since this is a topic that may affect others and some have not spoken up and suffer. So Don't lie. Let me say a few words first lie. It's horrible. It's terrible what parents can do to children and I'm assuming obviously I have to always say that disclaimer that what's written here is accurate not to suggest the person writing is not accurate, but often a person writes in pain, it's not always necessary exactly and I'm again, I'm not just throwing any aspirations. I just say that whenever you're dealing with something to really get all the facts you need to hear everybody involved but this is not a dictator. So I'm speaking and assuming everything here is exactly accurate. So it's horrible what parents can do to It happens all the time. Unfortunately parents who are supposed to love children the children have nothing but the parents especially in young age. That's what you learn love. That's where you learn confidence that we learn trust. That's where you learn security and self-esteem and so many other forces that are necessary vital to have a live a healthy life. Unfortunately parents can strip that away from children and you're describing exactly that And though you can use your mother. As I said, you have to always know all the sides of the story. I'm not suggesting you father. Did any of the things that your mother said especially now that you've come to that Clarity and I'm accepting that but again the point here is not just about pointing fingers is really how to move forward. That's your real question. So firstly let me say this. I think you must reach out to your father Yes. You said that terrible things to him, but you you were under duress and you were misinformed and you were manipulated frankly. Stan the way you described it. So I don't see any reason you cannot write or talk or some way open up the door to your father. I assure you he's your father and loves you and you can apologize if you feel the need and speak to them. So I definitely would reach out and would not give up on that at all. Now we're to move away to live. That's another step to talk about step number one so that I would immediately advise thought even any hesitation to reach out and you'll be surprised because second point and that is that you need as much resources and support as you can get and your father's your father. Your mother clearly has hurt you and you're not interested in her support and it could very well be at this point. It's time to move out from her house. You growing into an adult? I don't know what age you are. But that's some point you will be able to build your own life. So my objective here is not to go back and deal with the Grievances of the past though that there are legitimate but really to empower you to move forward and build your life. You should be able to find the proper spouse and build a family and a home in a beautiful way and learn from what was done to you how not to do it. And find a good partner in life that will help you that regard. That's what you want. You don't want to be haunted by and wounded by in any way impeded by what happened to your life what happened happened, but we can always heal it we can always grow whether you can build a relationship with your father with your mother. That is wait. It's we wait to be seen but you can try with your mother may be more complicated because she's directly hurt you but the stronger you become the more empowered you'll beat of deal with them. The last thing you want is that your life be consumed with reconciliation with your parents or with anger and resentment and with and with all the negative feelings that come with us this type of Abandonment and this type of abuse and hurt so I'm can't change the past the hurt is not going to go away but you can transform the hurt into something very powerful and beautiful and build a relationship. Again, I say that you should talk to somebody besides what I'm saying right now and I'm just opening the door by beginning the topic and hopefully will give you the courage and the strength to reach out either to myself or to others that can help you with this and I say this to anyone else was dealing with similar situation do not be silent reach out. Obviously look for people you can trust here's a form where I will address it in the purest possible way the most confidential possible way without any judgment without any condescension. Out any preconceived notions everybody deserves to be heard. Everybody deserves to heal everybody deserves to grow through the pains and suffering that we've gone through especially when we were impressionable vulnerable. An unprotected children at the hands of unfortunately vicious abusive adults. And if this program means anything I can tell you that for me one of the groans gratifying things is to be able to provide that type of platform provide that type of voice to yourselves and to anyone dealing with any type of suffering or any type of pain that often we endorse silently and don't feel the ability to express or the courage to Express Freight. Judgment afraid of stigma and so on. So please know that's not the case and suffice it to say as I said the points. I just made more can always be said and if you are listening, please reach out or reach out to somebody that you feel you can trust I have spoken about related topic and episodes 268 and 269. Without let us go to the next question. How much should one reveal about their own past experiences when trying to help others. There are by Jacobson. I'm a boxer and 770 for the past two years. I've tutored a young slave from a remote City via Skype once a week. We've developed a good relationship and I'm tight with the parents to a few days ago. They told me how the kid is depressed being disrespectful questioning life. Purpose low self-esteem asking them different questions. They revealed to me the shocking news how the kid has issues with inappropriate internet usage. I was and I'm still blown away and speechless. And they told me how they reached out to a from therapist remotely but they haven't seen results. So I decided that that's it. I have to save this kid's life and I told him quote I'm telling you a secret that no one in the world besides my must be a nose. My mentor knows that I too went to therapy since I had emotional issues and saw instant results. So I have experience in dealing with emotional issues emotional issues. They were so touched how much I care for their son to reveal such private things about my life. I didn't say I too have issues with inappropriate usage. I too was exposed at age 13, unfortunately, but I'm having a conference call tomorrow with the parents to discuss with them about the therapy. I had how my life changed for the good that cetera to save this young innocent and precious. Neshama Soul which was exposed to pornography at that tender age of 30. Here's the million-dollar question. Should I tell the parents that I had this issue at age 13 to and how I kind of got my act like acting out under control somewhat or just tell them I have a friend who has these issues and so I know a lot of in this field or just refer them to the guard your eyes website which deals with these situations. If I do reveal my true story. I have a better chance of helping the kid by sharing my experience and tools I've used Etc on the other hand saying the truth might cause them to get turned off from having to do with me even though technically they really think hi. You have me as I've helped their son out tremendously in the past. What would you suggest what would you suggest in? Such a situation warm regards? Okay, I don't know if it's still relevant because this letter which was definitely written before yesterday. But I'm sure it's relevant to you and maybe to others that have similar question. So from my point of view the criteria to answer your question is one and one only what will be helpful to help this child. It's not about you venting. You can find a therapist and other people to talk about it's about helping the child. So my leaning is in general that you reveal only that which is necessary to reveal to help this child. Do you? To start speaking about all your experiences, not necessarily not whether the because they'll respect. You're not respect you. It's that important to tell everybody. And about credibility credibility you shown already the fact that you have the empathy that compassion they care and that you share that you do have your own therapy without going into details. I don't see why you have to go further than that. I don't see any need to establish on to explain and to reveal what you went through. We've had this question asked in my months ago and this program regarding should do him how much you reveal about past experiences and so on but they're the question of course is going to affect another person's life here is not affecting someone else's life. Now. If you are suffering from this and questions, should you be a tutor when you yourself have problems. It's another discussion. That's not the issue. Clearly. You've gotten beyond the thank God. So I see no reason unless there's a very strong reason that it will help the child that you should have to share this. And I say this across the board with any given situation you share what's necessary? You don't share what's not necessary. There's no need to go overboard. Everything has its time as place and to the right people. So that's my response to this unless there's something I'm missing. There's always information. I mean, I've been shared here that that would be my opinion and my suggestion. Okay next question immaturity. How do I overcome my feeling immature at age 40? Something I was told repeatedly when I was a child. I'm 40 plus and I feel like I'm immature as a child. I was told this many times. My father even told me before my bar mitzvah that he needs to talk to other of if I'm fit to late filling. Whoo, when I need to discipline my children. I sometimes break out in a laugh while trying to keep a serious face. How do I overcome this? For my reaction to father telling a child whether he needs to ask a row of is I would consider to be quite harmful. But let's break this into a few parts. First of all, no parent is perfect. And we all as parents laugh and smile to ourselves at times when we try to discipline our children. We ourselves were guilty exactly what our children are doing. And we sometimes even think why did the children respect those so much they really knew who are you know, why why do they see us as such Authority? So we all have that type of sense of Nicole duplicity but a certain type of humor you can say lightness about it. So none of us are perfect. That's number one. So the issue of discipline your children, you have a responsibility to discipline as far as your feelings of immaturity goes and unfortunately, it sounds like it was fed by your father or other. Experiences in your impressionable years. Look we all go through maturity. Physically. There's a chronological maturity as a child grows into a adult its adolescence and adulthood and finally into which into the later mature process as we grow older, but then there's psychological emotional and intellectual maturity which means not just your mind grows, but your attitude your emotions that you're not affected by the same things that a child is affected by if you indeed suffering from side table immaturity whether it's an emotional immaturity or other type of immaturity, so that's something you should speak to someone. I see firstly how accurate to this it could very well be it somewhat exaggerated because you still remember the haunting voice of your father and that's still residents still echoes in your psyche and it's causing you to feel that way. Every one of us is as I said is not perfect. Everyone else is also not perfectly mature. We all have immature elements to us. So I need to I would need to hear more with this feeling of immature as is it completely in your mind completely in your own subjective perspective or is there more to it? And if there's more that can be addressed if it's in your head that also needs to be addressed and people can help you with your father today. You're over 40 years old. So you have to rise to the occasion and go reach for it for help. If you think you cannot do it yourself, so my answer to this as I said, we break it into several parts. I would not say I'm not going to educate my children because I'm immature that's not an excuse you do the best you can and you should talk to someone and figure out what do you mean by you're not immature? What does that mean? Exactly? You have Tantrums. Are you unable to control your own impulses? What does the immature mean? Do you have a very thin skin and a lot of different aspects and how that manifests and with loving people and hopefully have a loving spouse you can get through anything and figure out how much is real how much is not real and what you can do about it. And then the day behaving immaturely makes you more mature rise to the occasion. Okay next question. a woman's maiden name Does the rubber speak about a woman not keeping her maiden name after marriage? I don't recall the rebbe ever speak about it. So let's just get that out of the way, but I will say this. Where's it come from the concept remember there was a time that no one, you know one had family names. They were no surnames people were called by their first name some point the Middle Ages. They say more like the 17th 18th century and different countries happen in different ways surnames began to be added because too many people were called by the same name so they gave us her name either based on occupation or based on your father's name. Or based on the city you lived in Etc. A different countries did this in different ways some countries actually did it in a demeaning way, especially for Jews some didn't a more respectful way. So the whole concept of a of a surname of a family name is altogether not a Toyota thing in the trailer. You don't find family names Malaysia on you have the SWAT team Reuben Simeon Levi Etc. So since the concept does not attain a concept the whole idea of a woman assuming the name of her husband is basically part of the culture when it comes to Judaism. There is the concept of the woman deferring to the man a man being so to speak the leader of the household now that a woman is no leader but these type of matters some say they exposed miss pactum the base a vase on the Taylor speaks about the talks about families the base of racism to the house of their fathers base of Viva. So that can be somewhat of a I wouldn't say it's a locker not even a meaning but somewhat the reason that that's the way it warned the mini Gwen that the women assume the husbands names now for professional reasons can a woman continues in a row maiden name or also her maiden name? I've not seen a bottom say no unless there's some particular reason that it seems to be create will create conflict, but I don't think anyone has passed can oh, but the overall That's the custom and the as I said the custom of the land sometimes affects also do dinner democracy dinner when it's not how logic issue. She means we follow the customs of the land which is more or less. I believe the reason that this is done that way with some of the Smock that I just gave the descriptions of the Theta also, we know swattin which tribe you are goes by the father, but whether you're Jewish or not goes by the mother. So knowing the tribe is more connected to a name. It's a name. It's an ID. So to speak the idea of the person and that explains. It's a hella cute and violates a look at the circus why the shave it which is more Gilliam goes by the man and and the father and the it's a minion of users guide goes by the women, which is more that's me so you can say the same thing with names. It's not the ask me. It's more of an ID the ID number. So that's what I have to send this if anyone has more information on the topic by all means this is I'm sharing is what I'm aware of and what I've I've discovered a what I've researched and what I've heard over the years. Okay next question. Talk about women women singing Magoon. Mmm. How do we explain men not being allowed to hear women singing and how do we manage this thing at a Shabbos table when there's an equal mix of men and women? the rabbi Jacobsen I have a question regarding singing the gunam at the Shabbos table due to the prohibition of kaisha collisions. The voice of a woman called cliche are over to be exact in the commodity because the issue is sexual. This is the male sees that the table are not permitted to listen to females over a certain age sink what happens unfortunately, is that whatever I start whenever I start anagen the women take that as a cue to begin chatting since they feel they cannot join in the singing the vibe of the table is very haphazard and I do not like it. Is there any way to counteract this perhaps could the women hum along in a low tone? So at the very least they can participate in Nevada of the Negan It bothers me that women feel as though the nigun does not belong to them. We should not let the halacha alienated important members of our Jewish Family many. Thanks in advance for okay. Yeah, another question of this regard choral singing. I have a I have a question to your Rabbi Jacobsen. How do I explain to my five-year-old son who asked me why girls are allowed to listen to boy singing But boys are not allowed to listen to girls singing that's interesting. I looked at the previous episodes. I thought for sure I would have spoken. About this and I'm almost sure I did but I couldn't find it to be honest. They are after all two hundred and seventy six episodes. So if anybody does know when I spoke about it, I know it's odd request. I don't know how would you know, but who knows please pointed out to me, but we'll continue looking but regardless let's first begin with the actual subject matter itself. So when it says the grammatical issues are votes or societal issues, but you should over the here why women cover their hair after marriage? What does ever ever is expression for sexuality? Some say it's connected to sensuality that things are not because there's something ugly about it or something disgusting about it or obscene on the contrary because it's so pure and holy what do you cover when something is very hot. What are you doing? Something is very holy like the holy of holies. No one enters their the reason Sania is in general the Dignity of sneeze, of course his dignity as we've talked about many times why we cover ourselves and whether it's women or men is the hats the Legacy Michelle malakal go with the walk. Dignity before your God and parts of the body that are designated for intimate experiences. Whether it's Intimacy in marriage or priests or people's personal intimate spaces. This is something we cover physically and also psychologically because remember covering is not just you can cover something and still be very promiscuous in your body language and other forms of expression. So covering is also a certain element of this. Discretion of being discreet could the bus smell of ponemah the Taylor designates what has that sensual power and among the things is besides body parts that we're all aware of are also the parts and that includes the here and includes a woman's voice. Now, you could say a man's voice can also be stimulating and also emotional but it doesn't have quite that power. I remember once a sickening. I'm still looking for the source or the rabbit says Negan is God going him is yearning and women have a deeper element of Yearning that meant So when they sing is coming from a even more intimate place in the soul than a man cool muscle love is a song. It's the the quill of the heart and that heartfelt. This is more there in the feminine side. So the tail is not saying because I ugly voice of because there's something wrong because it's going to because it's going to provoke someone is because of that beauty of that inner beauty that remains Within Now that has to be taught properly because you don't want to make a woman or a girl feel something Less on the contrary something more that's on the general concept of what we're talking about as far as the Practical side of it. So first of all, as will point that out there is Sir. The prohibition is not for a woman to sing this for a man to hear sink woman's allowed to sink this question whether she sees men there's with navy related to mix all these different discussions, but it's not her singing as the issue the issue is that singing should be done among because of that intimate nature and that's why you have today a lot of different groups cropping up with women as musicians and singers and so on and great let them find that expression because it was never a problem that was never the issue with them expressing themselves women expressly on the contrary. I just said their expression of song is more powerful even than a man's expression of song. As far as situations where you have a table with people. Yes, it's true. It can become very chaotic. So there are different how lockers on the matter whether women singing in a group or humming along and you don't really hear their voices and issue. But if you go with a more stricter interpretations, we're even humming and even if it's a group is it should be avoided then I think the way to do it is probably the best way is always to go up front and talk about it going to sing a nigga now and maybe even explain And no it's not a time to chatter. It's a time to participate sometimes you participate just like when the rebel would sing a song Some of the conops. He was only one that's saying and we listened and then we followed up with a song so singing is part of it listening is also a part of it and I'm not trying to be patronizing. I'm just trying to suggest creative ways how you can deal with something of this nature. I think if we apply ourselves and we understand the soul and the basis of the whole concept of women singing be a lot easier to explain it to ourselves and to others I think many of us are self-conscious because it sounds like you know weird and I'm not suggesting. It doesn't initially it sound that way but when you begin to understand how Taylor is so sensitive to sensuality and sexuality because of its beauty because of its power then you begin to understand that everything matters even a touch. Yes, because everything has potency in it. We live in a desensitized world. So okay as who sings who cares if someone touches on what the big thing a handshake but when you're in a very sensitive place where you recognize the beauty Of these forces, then it's a very different story as far as how to explain it to a child. I think the way you explain intimacy to a child in a way you could say that just like boys and girls don't go to school together just like they don't intermingle and socialize together why because that's being reserved from the time they get married and God created a man and a woman to get together in sanctity and be married and joined an intimate way. I'm not saying you have to say all that to the child, but that's the gist of it. And therefore the same thing is with sinking as it is with other things. Why does your mommy where a sheitel and your father doesn't the answer is because here has certain powers that are Shem says same thing a woman's voice has power. So those she could hear you sing because boys don't have quite that power. I think you're going to explain it without any provocative way without being controversial by simply explaining that different women different people men and women have their strengths and the tail is teaching us how to harness them and how to direct them not to how to silence them how to use them for Fullest possible way and be careful when something is is not is not being can be abused the same thing with If the child asks you why do I have to cover myself the answer is because certain parts are more intimate certain parts are more powerful more holy and they need to be respected in a world that is hostile and a world. That's more callous too much too intimate. Okay with that. Let us move on to the next question. The next question is interesting question. Have you interviewed people who have become observant and then return to their previous lifestyle to understand the causes for their choices. The way the person word it a little more bluntly. Have you interviewed people have come and gone to from kite to find out what caused them to return to their previous lifestyle. I've always been afraid embarrassed too insecure to debrief anyone who has done this. So my answer is no I don't interview people and especially not people go through different challenges in life, it's not the way to go I've had conversations with people so that's how I would phrase it conversations with many people and yes, I've heard many different thoughts and feelings and so on I'm not going to create any formula because I don't think that's what we should be doing. I'll talk more in a sensitive way, but I want to begin that I did discuss some of the topics of people who become from and then Have left it and you know, I always qualify what is from me and what means leaving it. So all these words are loaded many ways, but I'm using words that people use meaning abstence ability or seemingly observant and other similarly not many often. I see people who seemingly are observant and are not observing them people who are seemingly not observant and they're very observant. So that's why I'm qualifying that so I spoke about an episode 21 195 and 271 what I like to say about this at least briefly is the following In general when talking about people in their Journeys, I'll tell the nurse have a real shot at Gilliam camcorder never judge a person until you've been in their shoes. We don't know what people go through in both directions, whether when they're coming closer to you the sky than closer to observance and what level of observance and to people who may be traveling God forbid the other direction or those that were born into it. We have to always tread carefully because we're dealing with a soul a holy Divine Soul that's going on is trajectory on his journey. And that journey is a sacred journey and our role is to be the be helpful or supportive, but definitely not to be critical in judgment. So there's every conversation. I've had many with people who've gone on this journey in both directions The key thing was sensitivity. They asked me to help I tried to help I tried to First understand them. So it says, you know, I've been through my whole life. I don't feel for it. Just a few weeks ago. I met with someone who told me that so many times. What do I do? So each case, of course is Case by case. There's no one rules on a case like that. I try to First understand what's going on. Like what? Why were you more observant while s And sometimes you find out there in a marriage. That's a bad marriage and their culture and their spouses not observe and so weakens them the drains them because they feel they don't have a partner. Sometimes it's due to other factors. Sometimes do that the observance they had was never really filled with Vitality. It was by wrote. It was mechanical was out of guilt. Those other pressures out of peer pressure Etc. So that's why there's impossible to talk about all scenarios if the look at them all and you help the person and sometimes they say what is observance you talking about the details of following how laws of Shabbos and Cassius we talk about connection to God. Your soul and spirituality and then often you'll hear spirituality is not a problem. I'm having the details some people sometimes have a generalist spiritual crisis. So that's why it's impossible for me to speak about all these scenarios because there's so many so our role is to understand the person in order to help them in the way. They're asking you to help them to help them help themselves actually. So that's how I would respond to this question. It's not about trying to understand the exact and analyze. You know, what's the matter with you that you're returning to your lifestyle? Because many people had take that attitude that's almost like what's happened to you and maybe going to do chuva and it becomes very extreme. Very very the word. I want to use it. It's a turn-off for person to here and I've seen people who have not been around for a long time in the observance circles. They come in some says Ah you had to say it is true of you came for simple estate. You came for Yom Kippur. It's not a pleasant thing to say to somebody it sounds very condescending very judgmental and you don't even know where the person is. In from and why and when and it sounds like I you know, you came back to where I am. I know exactly what's right and now you're joined us back. I'm there. You're not there. That's a very inappropriate approach. That's why I'm careful how we speak about this topic. So I think I've covered enough and saying about this and with this let us move on if there's any follow-up, of course, please don't hesitate to write sometimes there's more to people's questions. That means the I have no many times. I've read a question gave an answer and then I received a follow-up from the writer that I actually meant a lot more and I just didn't write it out. So if that's the case, please don't hesitate regarding any of these questions or other questions as well. Okay, let's do some follow up now. So is the follow-up in the last week's episodes 273 through 276. I've been talking about mrs. Bassin a she'sa fast tire from pastors kids say that was last Sunday and Ben said it amid also from he said say these words about the four different types of deaths that the Tater prescribes the issues of Fosters the beautiful woman that is seen by someone and Conquest in war during war and mesoderm it is the rebellious child, but brother your son. So hi Robbie Jacobson. I just wanted to thank you very much for answering some of my questions the last few weeks regarding the for mrs. Besant. These four deaths HTC fostered a beautiful woman. Can Captivate cat held captive in after war and been Senator made it the rebellious son. They are concept I owe their concept. They are Concepts. I always wondered about and you shed a lot of light. Thank you for all the sources you quoted. I cannot I cannot imagine the time you put into research these and all topics you speak about much appreciated. Lots of continued had sloka another person writing on this topic says I was fascinated how you took topics that everybody's Is away from controversial topics and topics that seem impossible to explain and you really took the bull by the horns and you explain that with many many sources really powerful for me because I could see from that that even other topics that seem controversial have also answers. So thank you so much for that. Another follow-up was regarding images of women which we spoke about last week and episode 276 Shalom Rabbi Jacobsen. I listened to your segment regarding images of women and Publications and I'm happy that the rebel not only didn't ban them, but even encourage them. I don't think you appreciate how extreme it has become an artist at all where images of women are disappearing from public life pictures or posters that have the do have women's faces. Even if modest are routinely defaced and or ripped off it has gotten so ridiculous that an advertisement showing typical family in a park. So two men together with boys playing no females present at all. Does this represent a normal family quote unquote. We see more and more that girls in many communities are To be seen or heard all the name of sneers. Unfortunately many quote-unquote from communities are not following previous acceptable traditions and Customs from even one generation ago and showing respect for women, but are only becoming more extreme and less tolerant and our rabbinic leaders are too timid or too scared to stand up to these extremist groups and Trends blessings. Okay. Well, I I will just say when I said the rebbe encouraged under certain circumstances that that get that clear as I discuss them so your letter speaks for itself and I really have nothing to add and as I just said if anybody wants more on this topic, I spoke about it last week. Okay, and one more follow-up on healthy intimacy the follow-ups to healthy intimacy episode 273 made me so angry now. The other question was about a woman writing. How she does not feel used and she feels actually abused in Intimacy in their marriage because the husband is not respecting her and that context and that environment so I discussed it and this person writing now is upset with how people responded to it. I hope you're not angry at me. I don't think it's about me. I think it's about what the so she said, but the healthy the follow-ups made me so angry really a woman writes about her concerns that there may be undercurrents of abuse or lack of respect in front. Um bedrooms and all the responses it gets our men whining about not getting enough action or worried that they won't get responses. I'm sorry, they won't get enough when they get married. Seriously. That is your takeaway from This Woman's peace. I mean, the response is themselves just prove the writers point if this doesn't show that there is a problem and I don't know what else will how did a question about awareness of consent and respect for women become yet again about men women are worrying about being sexually coerced at And instead of protecting women and helping to spread awareness men are worrying that they won't get their needs met. Do we not see a sort of imbalance equation going on here? So yes, I totally agree with you and if I recall correctly when I spoke about the topic I did address the issue itself. Obviously whenever you're dealing with a woman complaining or saying something of this nature, you always want to hear both sides so that that's for simple balance and we have to be sensitive to everything here because sometimes the men don't even mean I'm not going by men that are doing things that are inappropriate but sometimes men don't understand that they're being aggressive or they're being inappropriate or they're not receiving the proper consent because they're halak us about this there how lockers how you're allowed to approach a wife grunting intimacy. It has to only be with her complete Goodwill. And complete consent. There's no such thing as God forbid doing something against her will so unfortunately, yes, some people are selfish and they focus on themselves. But thank you for your points and points well-taken. And that's why I read it. Okay with that. Let us now go to the city this the see this question, which is a follow-up part to the 10 hidden spheres to last week's episode. So to sum up quickly. The question. The question was, please explain that 10 hidden spheres where they are located and their role application and relevance to our lives. So I'm not going to review everything I said last week. I'll just sum it up. We spoke about their role of the Spheres in general as an interface Divine attributes from which evolved human attributes the human personality. So they become like a bridge an interface between us emulating God's attributes. So then we can connect to God himself who is of course beyond all attributes in those attributes themselves in those filters themselves. There is a revealed once usually called the SS. It's about Silas as his fears how glorious the revealed ones and there's the concealed ones which are higher than at Silas and I cited the sources of where the location is is attic or addict or a codon and I actually brought which my mom say it. In one place and I am base has also a lack of them Cadman but as he explains in one of the my modem. that that one of the my modem just looking it up. That they're almost proven in the Miami Alum. Hi honey, in the beard and darken sister and my mom they're all McLovin because it's higher than that still is in higher than its else is concerned safe, but we stop there. The question is SS Fierce diagnosis. The highest level is act. We know that very often and most people if you ask them who don't see this as intrinsic muscles are different options. But these sources Clearly say that he's all says it's after the symptom. It's on these levels. I think I did and and accordion and I mentioned Adam kadmon yet. We do have sources that we do find the 10 hidden spheres and 818 self living at symptom. And what's the source for that and that's we're going to continue now and address the second half of this topic. So in the part of this shot say that isil is chapter 4, it's one of the first Says there's a source for the concept of the tenets and spheres now. This is not lifting at Simpson because we know that part of this did not talk a know about the symptom but he talks about it in a Tanks off the concept of tenants fears. This is cited in a detainee in Union page 170 in khimka samokhvalov and in Cordova Shem Tov race amethyst. All signing this Palace, but the part of the says that the 10 hidden spheres besides the fact that we're not talking about symptom. He says is the root of the containers of the Kailyn and the aliens don't have a route because the Ada's are connected to the Divine. So there's no route. They never went through any diminishment. Remember the part of this is not connected to this. It does not know of the symptom which is another discussion what that means. So therefore he says is the root of the kahlan but according to the outside a box in his brings now therapist says clearly and this is in honoka sarap in the beard Exodus causes the beard of Shem. Hey, Moe. molasses So there's a beer in hand across a table. That's a noticeable drop in Chris Collins. I'm sorry, that pink is lasers. so I rap page 164 that he says in the name of the Alta Deb and this is the site's the quote he says there's fear has also an alien stuff but not in axles in that Suppose there nospherus but there's fetus in a tense of so we see from this that there's also an alien stuff and this is clearly a dance off before the symptom also 10 hidden spheres so what do we have from this that the tenants fears have many levels basically we'll discuss that in a minute so how do you consider reconcile that with ideas all that there are no spheres are definitions in place him somewhere because it's himself that's what that is all says in its kind that before the symptom they are passionate completely seamless and as we said before according to the result that 10 hidden spheres are after that symptom So how do you reconcile the Alta Rebel with a desire? So see this answers that example with names that the 10 hidden spheres before the symptom are not really a Macias that not yet substance there more conceptual like names when you call someone by a name before it the name was called. He doesn't yet have that identity. The name draws it out from him. So that's just a hidden sphere hidden sphere would be here. You have it the revealed faculty of let's say a peasant kindness and that hasn't behind the door so called behind the curtain. There's a hidden cache. Said like has no Lawman like hidden caves or even Kate has asked me but when you say a name you say you're a husband you're in this that salmon Ephesus higher than names. So the name draws it out and that's a muscle that's brought in Taylor are if I heal this office. And other places specifically in the minor Hillel Halal. I'm sorry hallel in Derek. Mr. Socko. Just looking for all the sources here. You take advice he 103 C Hollander cancer circus Island in Italian and Page. 277. Some art some art of relations Ian Kimble again from above and I am bass Volume 2 page 968 and that's considered the highest example for SS video signals these names because before there was nothing there the name is what draws it out when he acts on it. So really the review this video is actually are revealed not before the symptom. They become revealed the hidden spheres I should. A become concrete more concrete ties as hidden spheres after that symptom. So in a minor in invited not violated Shem Tov some tests involve. He says that that's the vote that after that SS feels that way that is ourselves. There's no spheres before The Chimps from because there's no mencius. They don't exist yet and example of names can explain that and where's the Mitzi us of ss. Fears is either an attack or attic a khuddam attic or artists as I explained. Okay. Now now as far as the examples the examples of see this brings many different examples from about the SS fearless and there's actually a fascinating other from the debe interruption tests physically abused my meat option has the mime it is zi aim for you based time as top-shelf ass in that Valium page 243 along her order and the rabbit says they're about the Michelle and there's different examples. I'm going from the bottom up from the more tangible to the more abstract. There's the example of Flame in a coal. This is from safety Etc. What is this example that the revealed Flamin Hot coal is the revealed spheres the flame that's within the hot call that you can't see as the hidden spheres. Yet see this goes and says beyond that the most of the part of this is of a Flintstone in a Flintstone. You don't even have a flame within the it's not even conceal the Flintstone you can put into water you can touch and you won't feel any heat. That's not the same with the hidden fire and a hot coal. So that makes it more abstract in the 10 hidden spheres. But even there it's still Flintstone is still a source for flame not for water for example, so it has some shape and form at least potentially so then comes the example of see this of cases are cloning bad to my nefesh. The kick is that are encompassed in the core of the Soul. This isn't there come to the sacrum. I'm Robin that we support chapter 66 what we spoke before volum kyani. Then there's an example of Citizen the my martyrdom of pesach tough cuffs a modality, which is the A veritable Charlotte Piet 481 and come I'm upon the punim of the Cuyahoga moskal the circle and the power of sale that's another example and that's also cited the derrickman to suck on the Mind Robin chapter 67 that I just mentioned and then there's ultimately the highest example of names because even the Creator Hamas Calista Lanyon of say hole there. The power for sale names is the most abstract and that's into the air and the other sources I just cited before. So the lab explains that when it comes to City asks is users Michelle him. Sometimes one muscle explains more the relationship between the hidden spheres and they revealed spheres. That's the example of the hit of the fire in the call the hidden fire in the cold and the revealed fire. If you want to speak about how the tenant is fears, aren't I with our abstract of and and and are Beyond structure you go to the example of the sort of Columbus of the of the Flintstone and the other example that I used. And then the double says regarding the example of names that's so that's definitely a different level of ss. For the second losses are completely higher level the Rebus differ suggesting more than suggesting. It's not just another example. It's actually a higher level of spheres where the other ones can be examples. Now this needs to be reconciled somewhat with the moment of early summer test. So there's a moment of fresh summer cuz I mentioned it before Cordova Shem were there. He says there are three General examples for the Hidden spheres and that reflect three different levels of the tendons fears. The only thing is we don't have the end of that Hampshire of that - so we only have that statement stated there a few more places. I'd give you some sources here is looking I am bass volume to the my miraculous and M are tough - I inhaie page that page 965 and on the Sha Sha La Mesa developers mimer tough, son of a and regarding the function of imba of the 10 hidden spheres. I am based chapter 15 chapter 21 and on and volume 2 page 960 3 and on so I think with that we covered the SS fetus and now let me conclude with the three essays. Quickly because of time limitations. So as always we do three essays. You know what before I go to this is let me just say one more thing. So the practical application of this I think is understood when you understand the concept of the of the interface is that this teaches us all the levels of these spheres teachers. This is all the levels we connect with. So just like we connect with our revealed faculties. That's a hazard. When you do have said what you want to do is connect it with the Hesed that's concealed. So you can reveal more and channel even more love in your life. Then you can Channel it even from a deeper. Of Customs because all these levels of the Spheres is also within us so with its four levels are five levels you go all the way to that semi nefesh and the point is to interface and draw forth from your deepest core Soul into your revealed faculties. And what's even more beautiful. That's an individual is that we also connect to God's the levels in the Divine energies. The first we connect our casa de Shams Cassatt then fashems hidden the has said an addict and then I Shams hidden Hazard an attic and then I Shams in Castle and I could him and then I Shams in the has a knack until a Shams in Hazzard, even if they had symptom but this is a journey each one of them is different because each which is another discussion for right now. But each one of them is in a more abstract way where you're connecting with the Divine attribute first. It's a more defined attribute till it becomes so abstract that it becomes so much more just expression of godliness like the name of Hashem calling him kale or custard. And then there's how take some more shape and form in the lower levels of the ten hit the Spheres until they express themselves in the revealed spheres. Regarding the three essays sa one is in Hebrew, which is terminal some ability contacts me protects him methods that lead to self improvement with Joy by City living on eh 56 car habad Israel. A teacher mcclellan's basic for habad. Okay, so as the as the title indicates That we live in a world that is filled with all kinds of different challenges. And we're always looking for drug to grow and in our journey in our trajectory. People go through challenges where they regret things they've done and they want to improve it or they want to grow. So this essay is dedicated. With two two methods of how we actually produce growth in a person's life based on acidic approach very thorough s a step-by-step process. And doing it all of course with great joy, which is the driving force. So talks about both the healthy person and how we waver from that at times and then different psychological approaches to correct our ways very nice table of expressing different approaches. And then the Taylor sisters approach of how to do this. So very well done. Thank you so much for this essay. Okay, very well annotated as well. The next essay is bring back the fire. Mini Blasberg age 19 Brooklyn New York student at mccrone Alta Seminary. There is a pit a growing black hole. It consumes your energy passion and motivation until all you feel is nothing. And then the day this is apathy as Jews apathy is our biggest enemy. This essay goes on to how do you fight apathy? How do you bring back the fire the passion the how we get Frozen where it comes from how it gets to you? Don't forget to remember socket remembering I'm all like which is the force of apathy and coldness and indifference strategies key action is the main thing and that you have the confidence that you will make it good. Very good essay as well. Thank you for that. And finally the third essay spiritual oxygen masks Hasidic tools for the empathy. I'm passing you risk a cone is 23, Naples, Florida. Yeah. Fortified city is so called because the defensive wall surrounds it defining its borders and safeguarding its inhabitants and against The Perils of the outside world people to require defense against external infants in influences. This essay will aim to characterize the advantages and disarm for the answers of an empathetic nature highlight the central value of empathy in the world and demonstrate how to this offers the tools for empaths to overcome the unique challenges and channel their gifts to know where to create boundaries and went to connect with others not to go too far and goes on to explain this know the heart of a stranger of psychology psychologists Define empathy like one person with one heart considers defines that connection from other scented to centered the vote of the fellas discipline and compassion and love your fellow like yourself. Securing your own oxygen mask before assisting others and then goes on to a whole list of how to how to listen for the empath to internalize and relating with others and self care again, extremely good essay. These essays can all be see now as they're posted literally just fresh these days and meaning that instead of supply.com as well as when you subscribe to our newsletter. We will send them to you every time they're updated. So this has been episode 77 of my life sitting supplied and I want to wish everybody as we continue the month of L A Very constructive melon, beside the month where you reach out to God who is in the field the Milliken the field as we prepare for a new year to be excessive of imitative at all of us and gosh me is Brooklyn. He's in every possible way and we should be blessed. This has been sitting supplied. We're here every Sunday 8 to 9 p.m. Thank you so much be well.

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Hey, it's mined gold if I sewed 13, which I'm really excited about. But before I talk to you about what we're going to talk about on episode 13, and with who or whom if you're going to be that guy. I just wanted to thank everyone who gave me positive feedback about episode 12, which was obviously the still who pursued featuring just me. Yeah, because that was like a bit of a Scary thing to do, I guess because you know the whole imposter syndrome like as what I'm saying worthwhile. Is it resonating with anyone? Like why am I doing those? What's the point does anyone care kind of thought process which I struggle was a fair amount in most of my Pursuits. So it was really nice just to hear from people that they like valued what I was putting out there and I guess appreciated. What I was trying to say, I guess thank you. So yeah, I really appreciate that and thanks Jason who was the inspiration behind that episode? So yeah, I feel not should about it. So that's great. Yeah week's been pretty stressful just didn't like, you know my other job, which I never really talked about on here because you know, I don't want to like bored people away. Yeah, but it's okay. I'm okay. Looking forward to spending some time not there this weekend and I'm really excited to have our next guest on the podcast today. So her name is Sophie has it over and she is what I would consider a high-performance human. I was actually speaking with her the other day because she was asking me I like what sort of people do you have on like what's kind of urine? In behind it and I was like, well, there's not really like a specific theme. It's more just like if I find someone's habits or someone's story or someone's mindset motivating and I feel that like them sharing it could help others then like that's the sort of person that I want on. So it doesn't matter if you are an athlete if you are famous or anything like that at all, it's it's mainly just the mindset and I guess I like, you know, there's kind of aspects of this that I like seeing other people and I'm just like fuck that school. And Sophia is definitely one of those people so I've known Sophia for maybe four years, but the first time I met her I used to work at a gym up the road and she happened to be doing a training session there with her coach who happens to now be my coach And she was like lifting some pretty heavy shit pretty well. So I you know being the creep that I am like went over and just like introduce myself. It's like hi. You're strong. Can I be your friend? And yeah, basically now we are friends and we've been friends ever since so it's kind of cool. So yeah, I'll let Sofia tell you a little bit more about her because she knows a lot more about her than I do, but basically the reason she is on here as I think we can all learn a lot from her high performance habits. Yeah, because she's a fucking Legend and she has some serious big dick energy, which hopefully will get into in a little bit. So yeah, thank you so much Sophia for joining us today. Go. Hey Sarah, how are you? There? You are fancy seeing you here fancy seeing you here in my apartment. So nice of you to spend your morning with me and Graham. And your first cuddle first cuddle first coffee. He intoxicating he is the day he is it's so funny actually had this like random personal Instagram. Is this a thing for you g get ran a former student Instagram all the time? Yeah, right. It's where everyone gets a creeper. Yeah. Anyway, this wasn't a creep. This was like a really cool lady like basically unless it's like a dick pic or like a gross comment or like a snitch man. That's fine. Yeah, you know, so anyway, this lady was like hey, Just thought I'd let you know like I really don't like cats but I love your cat. He is the best at I'm like fuck you lady. Oh, that's a compliment such a high compliment for him and he always gets that because they usually hate cats they meet him and it's like who you are and so cat he turns you does. He really does look at him beautiful cat he is doing their job. We're not literally just going to talk about great we should do it probably could. How are you? How are you? Oh my god cracking like I'm real croaky right now because you literally got me out of bed high-performance attitude fell over did not hear a single a literally this is really good because my whole intro is about how like high performance habits and like you're like the embodiment of like high performers that I'm like outside your place being like mate. I'm outside. Where are you? I'm just putting on my pad because it goes both ways. Like I'm functioning in a hundred ten percent all the time when it implodes just like leave me to my mess. In a day, I'll be fine. Yeah. No, I definitely understand that when you're like at such a high level of functioning. It's like you go through it's like all or nothing. Yeah, basically yeah, somebody want my ass for me like which graduation dinner a couple of days ago and my partner was amazed at how incompetent I am when like the stress falls off. I've had a couple of drinks and I just I just can't a dolt so he was impressed how I go from like a running the event to like, oh laying on some grass going home. Moving that's the best though, I guess is that balance. Would you define that? It's balanced. I honestly I actually think it shows how little balance of got because I've either got it all together in like a military Precision or I'm tired. I'm over it and I've got nothing together. Yeah, so those patches never lost because I can't afford to let them last but there's definitely like a spot of time every month or I'm just like I can't handle I'm gonna lend been watching Netflix a conduit. Yeah my God, I have these exact same things interestingly that they want some answers. Yeah, because yeah, let's talk about what you're actually highly functioning at because the I just assume that everyone knows everyone that I talk to ya about but you know, let's say literally no one knows who you are and what you do in which case shame on, you know, I'm not that special. I just know a couple Legends like this on your best a show. So what do you what are you high performing in currently? Sure. So since none of you know me at all. I retired from Olympic lifting few months ago. I was pretty good at that but concurrently, I've been polishing off a law degree. So it's my second degree. I've got a degree in politics both from the University of Melbourne adequate enough grades, like sitting on a distinction average, even though worked and supported and life. And you know all those things gosh, what else am I doing? This seals on the law student Society. I was a third-year representative, which means I had to put together the yearbook and graduation dinner and deal with all the mess that comes with helping coordinate 350 highly functioning highly stressed people. I'm also on the committee of our weightlifting Club as a secretary. So helping sort things out on that respect earlier this year. I did some teaching in one of my favorite subjects. The list goes on sale price is a lot going on. That's exhausting. Yep. Objectively. Yep. So when do you finish so you finish your degree this year? No, not quite so some shit went down middle of the year. So I've had to extend and push some subjects over to next year. So I'll finish around June next year. Okay, but the end is in sight. Yeah, definitely quite like this is the last painful semester off that it's just a bit of research and elected by love and that's it. So how did you find try to balance being a high-level athlete with obviously being in a profession almost that's also very high level and at some point you obviously had to make the decision where I can't be doing these two things to the to the level that I want to be doing them. Something's always going to give right and if you've got to Pursuits like a highly passionate about it's not going to be either of those. It's everything else and neglect family. You neglect friends. He neglects mental health. You neglect sleep like you neglect everything that's not showing up to UNI showing up to work showing up to the gym. Yeah. So everything else just Falls over and you accept that that's just the cost of trying to multitask at a high level in several things. Because you got to be an idiot to think that you can perform highly as highly as you want or multiple Pursuits. So not only did I have to give up everything else. I was going on in my life. I also had to have a real expectation check in terms of well exams roll around around Nationals every single here. I'm necessarily going to perform worse at both than I would if I was focusing on just one. Yes, you've got to do an expectation check like the best you can do is no longer about I work the result I'm going to get is going to be what I deserve. It's going to be well fuck night make some make some adjustments because it's just physically not possible and whatever you can do is going to have to be enough. Yeah. And I guess that's from someone who has really high expectations like of yourselves and obviously your performance that's quite hard to accept I would imagine for sure know it sucks especially because like everything we do in life whether you like it or not. It's competitive in the sense of comparative. So like even competitions I'll see girls that are you know, my weight class my skill level and because they're you know, they've got a part-time job and that treating themselves as athletes full-time, but I recovered performing better clearer. All those things like fuck man. I could be doing that but I'm stressed a shit. I sit down for 20 hours a day. Don't sleep enough. I eat weird. Like there's all these things that you took off in your head where it's like I could be that good. I have the potential I could be better than you but I've got the stupid law degree to deal with. Yeah. This is that like reality check on both sides. The equation is really hard. Yeah. Yeah, I think actually I heard somewhere that I think it's Like beyond having three things in your life that you're focusing on like you literally can't don't the capacity to actually handle anything else. So for example, you've got like family relationship work training like one of those things is gonna so I'm gonna give full fuck off right? So I mean for a long time I was single and that was great because much free time. Have you got mates about next level? Yeah, you know, so you've got time to put the germ-free and a half. Yesterday, you know in the evenings you're fucking mobilizing you doing yoga. You're reading you're going to bed at 8:30 and you feel so good. And then you meet someone and suddenly like your life schedule. Should I schedule just because you're like well, you know Thursday nights, I would normally go to yoga. But oh, but we could have date night and it's like motherfucker the bit that really sucks me asleep. Yeah. Well, I love having a partner. I love loving my partner. I fucking hate anything messing with my sleep. Yeah, me too. I'm an ogre like him. Yeah. Yeah bad because we're so busy. I'm sure you'd be the same you were really tight schedule very long time and he's howling. All right, we've got to be here at eight and then we've got to get this and then you do this and then I'm going to go here. Yeah, like, okay. I'll just get in the car. Yeah, exactly leave rusted like Tanana a six and a half hours sleep. It's gonna be awesome. But your partner's there. Of course, you're not going to get six and a half hours sleep. So your mediocre rusted sleep gets even less. Yeah, look up feeling grumpy because you're behind on your sleep. Now you have an optimized out. You need to recover it's not for us. So I guess I mean at a high level like you're going to have to make sacrifices whether that's you don't have a relationship. Yeah, are you work less? All these things are sacrifices and I guess it's like how much do you love that vocation that you're willing to and what are you willing to sacrifice for it? Like for a long time like having a relationship having a social life for me. That was worth sacrificing. Yeah, and now I mean I mean, I mean people say have said to me before that. I don't have balance and I'm just like so obsessive things that I'm into but I guess I've always thought and I guess you kind of touched on that earlier. Is that like if you are like a hundred percent passionate about this thing and that's what you want to fucking do like, you just can't really have balance like it's not really as much of a thing balance is such a it's just a fiction. I think I think she's in there. If you want to be impressive if you want to be good you're going to scare people and you're going to make choices all the people don't respect you can escape. Well, that's fantastic. I totally agree and like the intensity with which you apply yourself to what you're passionate about is fucking scary. You are obsessive you are Marik because there's all sorts of there's also the cost of if I fail I've made all these sacrifices for nothing. Yeah hundred percent and people aren't prepared to do that and I'll prepare to back themselves to that level which is why they look at you and me and they go you don't have balance. That's bad. Look at me. I have balance and like no, you know drinking Friday Saturday night you achieved. Oh, yeah. Well done. What have you got to show for? Ooh, yeah, exactly. And I mean I suppose I would rather like pull out all the stops and like if I don't get to where I want to be I'm not going to say oh, that's because I didn't really try. It's like I literally gave it a hundred and ten fucking percent and that happens to be my best effort. Yeah, you know and if that's not getting to where I want well, I don't have anything to blame it on. Yeah, but I think the people would so much rather have these excuses and be like Oh, but my relationship oh, but my my job all but this it's like wow making excuses for mediocrity. Yeah, exactly and I How bad do you want this thing? Yeah, you know don't fucking tell me you want to lose weight. If you're not going to do what it takes to lose weight. Don't tell me how to be successful. If you're not prepared to do what it takes. Like we all talked about how CEOs get five hours of sleep and they, you know do meetings on the treadmill in the morning and she like that. It's like ha ha that's hilarious. Whatever. I'm like no fucking isn't that's the cost of being successful in a high-pressure career. Yeah. It's the same with everything. If you're not willing to give it what you know, it takes shut the fuck up. You don't actually want it you like the idea of exactly and that Has plenty of other things in life that you can be doing that don't require being at the gym. Yep. Half the day. Yeah, you know, but fucking pick something. Hey look something in pick something and be good at it. Don't be shitty everything mediocre everything. That's the best don't be shitting me. She's a fucking Legend depths. I she wants the Olympics in synchronized swimming amazing. The bitch is a Savage like she retires from synchronized swimming. He's in law school gets killer grades transitions to Brazilian jiu-jitsu. She's got a comp tomorrow today that I'm going to also she's an absolute Savage anyway, but her yearbook quote is be less shit. Like her life motto is just be less shit. That's so good. And it definitely understands the intensity. She brings to everything but in short piece something I'd be fucking good at it. Yeah, go ahead at full Pace hundred percent. Yeah. She sounds like she has some fucking big dick energy or massive. Have like she's 58 killers on the fat days and she's a small human but she is Savage. That's amazing. Yeah, that was the other reason that I wanted you to be on he actually something together to make Duke Energy thing. So for all of you who don't follow me on Instagram, I started hashtagging this bde big dick energy thing came about actually this is quite hilarious story because I Emily and I am Ali Basket who was on and really a podcast. I was helping her coach a couple of weightlifters at a comp recently and I was videoing these guys when they were lifting on the platform and obviously like videoing whilst going fucking come on. Yeah. I didn't get out of here general just aggressive levels of encouragement and one of the guys I was filming Alex he sent me messages. Later on in the day and was like, I just showed these videos to one of his housemates and his housemate was like fuck that chicks. Got to have big dick energy. He's like the best compliment. I don't ever I was like like zero literally take the big dick energy then we started training day anyway, so that's how it started but having looked at This concept further because I can see why it could be misconstrued or potentially be offensive. I'm not really bothered. If it's event. It's a vending you right now to be honest. I was gonna paint it. So Anthony Bourdain famous chef very aggressive and I guess his and his manner like a Gordon Ramsay asked kind of this is fucking me deal with it. Obviously a really high achiever. A lot of masculine energy, I guess from him. So when he passed away recently someone put up a Twitter comment about him like rest in peace bubble blah and made a comment about his big dick energy. And that is actually where the concept was born, which I thought was quite interesting and you my friend possessed this big dick energy. Good. I'm glad I think like for me what it means and it To do with like having a dick being man, I guess the reason that it's called Big that energy as it refers to a guess a masculine level of this is fucking me salty or that self-assured confident and I guess like Unapologetic an apology. Yes, that's fucking at yeah. Yeah, and this reminds me of that time at training that those girls tried to come in and use the bathroom. You're like note members only. Bye. Just like so blunt. And so like you cannot use our toilet. Yeah, and I was like, that's so hilarious like those Concepts behind it because there's signs and shit. It's time storm the fuck in would like some time alone that dump but he's still mad about it. I like I'm a big human so I'm aware that I can intimidate if I front up the someone. So I generally don't I give people space whatever you're not even that big as just your aura of. Big big big dick energy like it's just you're on your metaphorical dick existing funding from your body. But which is like giving people suffice if I walk the word see the bitches stole down the hall this entire horde of dumbass. It faces like they walk into a public bathroom. This is a private Stadium. Yeah, super secure this he has finally died of what I have to fucking stick gym anyway, so they stole me in and I like pull my hand out like you can't use the bathroom here because it's not a public bathroom I could Ross the oval there's a fucking public bathroom then like like making bullshit excuses why they have to use our bathrooms like no members only turn around go so they have some more weight or guys, by the way, they're like 12 years old. They are not 12 the like 16 probably drunk already anyway, so I turned around send them on their Merry fucking way and I'm seething because we had a similar situation of while ago and so I looked about Google review about how the coaches at our gym on rude and I'm like to be fair. Some of them are but it's just that I turned away from using up Issa and they'll like all the coaches a whole lot of really really rude and like no one not. It's a private Stadium. I told you to leave I didn't even swear you I'm just wearing it all the way off. I've opened a word. It's such a word and that's the word. I was perfectly delightful tomb just forceful. He could say yes, but blunt blunt. Okay where to put it so they've been introduced a big dick energy. Another form of not being allowed to use the bathroom, but I guess a more may be productive way. This is yeah of applying this energy would be in the sort of Industry that you are now in and also obviously as a weightlifter like that's a sport where you know, it's kind of like I'm going to fucking lift this heavy weight. It could possibly you know crush me in the throat. Yeah, for example, it could break me it could break the kids out here. Yeah, so you've got to have An amount of aggression in a certain amount of I guess it's belief in yourself and believe that you fucking deserve to be here in this moment. And I think that's why I like so many awesome checks that I know like you and Emily Emily Katie like we attract these similar women who have the same. No, you can't use our fucking toilet. Yeah. Well, it's such a it's definitely a mood. It's exactly what you said. It's it's me in the bar and either I'm going to win or gravity's going to win. Yeah, and if I don't win it, Could end it really badly so you can't back yourself halfway lifting isn't a halfway sport. It's not like I'm not going to pick on any sports but it's not like I'm taking a shot I missed. Oh well if you miss a heavy lift, you will fuck yourself. Yeah, so you either back yourself entirely or sit the fuck back down? Yeah, which is what I admire about it. It feeds into that problematic attitude. We've got of All or Nothing. Yeah, like it's like what that doesn't Foster or encourage a balanced way of thinking. Yeah. There's no nothing half a step. No, nothing. No, you're not gonna like go to pick up that way and then be like, oh, maybe I just left a half way. Yeah, I'm gonna still a half wrap. But what does that actually though? Literally? I did do that yesterday. It does happen. Sometimes just missing wife, but like on a proper Max attempt of a snatcher clean. You don't really have the option of going halfway. No and there's no way that you're going to come back after a compen. So I was going to be what did you feel that left? I didn't really didn't really try on the yeah. Well, you didn't fucking try on that one. Yeah exactly. Really, but I guess like the industry that you're now and then we are going to be working. I guess what predominately for the next fuck couple decades. Yeah, exactly. Maybe there are some I mean that's so fucking Cutthroat as wow. It isn't it isn't right because Cutthroat implies like a problematic sense of I'm going to succeed or you're going to succeed there for you're in my way. Yeah, it's not necessarily like that because the industry is hard in the sense that like the generation before us went through. No one gave a fuck about how you're doing as a person because there's ten candidates for any job. So it's like a very adult appropriate phrase to use for is like so like a pump and dump industry. They use you extract value from you you burn out your problem kind of thing. Yeah, I think that's like to shift and yeah, it's still a thing like it's a hard industry whatever they work you hard but you just have more options and because you have options it's less personally competitive. It's more like well, I want this track. I know it kind of sucks. I know it's really hard with this is what I want if you don't stick around here you go do something else that's for you to decide on yeah. Okay, so it's less cuff her and more just intense and Different Paths of different degrees of like Financial reward emotional reward intellectual reward. Yeah. It's just that yeah. What so what sort of specific area like will you are saying five years? What are you going to be doing? What would you envision yourself to be doing? So because I only finish middle of next year. I'll start my graduate position either like September October next year or March the following year because I've got a couple of intakes. Thinking corporate for the foreseeable future partly because for one the corporate training programs are so well-heeled. Like if you get into a big top-tier corporate firm, they'll pay for your training. They train the shit out of you like you walk out a very functional lawyer' lawyer ring machine because they invest so much in you because they do hard work high-value work high profile Works. They need their Juniors on point. So definitely corporate the start with because the training is off chops. The reason I might stay in corporate is Only corporations have the money it takes to change the law. Okay. Sure. The legal system is fucking expensive and for like the small guy to get an outcome that fundamentally changes. The law is so expensive that it only happens very rarely when a charity or a non-for-profit bankrolls it so if you want to be at the Forefront of law, you've got to be in commercial law the areas that the money is big enough that you want to run it all the way to the high. Court to change something. Yeah. Okay. So if you want to be at the like The Cutting Edge of the law changing you got to be in corporate at this point in time. Anyway, if anyone's going to change any laws, I can definitely see you being the one to do it. Well, we'll see how we go. It's just going to be like the battle of the big dick energies. That's literally what it is. Yeah. I like top-tier law is very much like that. The people at the top are all exactly like the unapologetically. This is me. I'm better than you all Let me show ya I guess it's like kind of Refined to think that you have to have that certain level of confidence all the time because I don't know about you but I like have a lot of I guess self-confidence issues and insecurities around like who I am what I'm doing and often questioned like am I good at anything as anything I do worthwhile. And I don't know I guess I've always thought that just means I'm not I'm not good at what I'm doing because people who are good don't have those thoughts but have us because you don't know that everyone does that. Yeah, but that's the thing is like the more I've talked to about people about this like imposter syndrome and I haven't talked about this quite a few times across the last few episodes is that you know, I know if you listen to the episode with Celia Piccola, she's a comedian and she's on TV and She lays and you think like someone like that it's got to have like this insane level of confidence. Yes, and you know, obviously like in their ability and the fact that much Everyone loves them and like the getting Awards and they like revered and the got it. Yeah, they've got it but I mean no. Yeah, I was terrified as the aisles. Yeah. No, I totally got that. So it's kind of like you have to just like fake like fake it almost absolutely and I feel like a lot of the time that I'm that I'm doing that, you know, like I'm putting across this level of confidence in my ability and what I'm putting out there to people, you know the inside I'm just like oh my God Please like me. Yep. I totally got that spark. Yeah, it's bad. Um, I went to drama school knows little and the reason I went to drama school is because I only learned English at the age of 10 and mom was desperate for us to get our conversational skills and like confidence up as quickly as possible because being an immigrant sucks being immigrant with bad English sucks more because we're an English-speaking country. We grew up in New Zealand. So mom sent me to drama school and I realized very very early on that if you don't want to MOX fuel level of language skills or for your accent of your expression or anything like that. What you do is you lean the fuck in every time you fuck up you lean in like it was intentional and so you learn to back yourself in terms of like well, if I project that I don't give a single. Fuck what you think about me. You're not going to feel like there's any reward in mocking me. Yeah. So you learn that real real quick. That's bad as a kid Hestia clean the fucking. Yeah, so whenever I'm freaking out the most I make sure that I just become as Unapologetic as possible. Yeah, because then there's no reward for mocking. Yeah my God, that's amazing. I fucking love that. And so everyone that I sent me real. Well, I'm fake it till you make it is literally how I live my life because obviously as I pointed a visual, you know, the same you put in the preparation, you know, you've trained or you know, you studied or you know, you've meal prep. Do you know you've done whatever the fuck you need to do to exceed at the task at hand. Not residual panic and insecurity and all of that it can only detract from your preparation. If you let it if you let yourself implode and undermine the work they've actually done but if you've got the base your brain going I'm not good enough. I can't do it. I fucking hate like your brain has nothing to do with at that point. So you need to go. Well, this is my base. This is what I'm putting out there and I'm just going to lean in yeah. Yeah, I think I say Leah actually mentioned this which I thought was really important. Was that like Just because your brain is telling you something it doesn't mean that it's true. You know, we just we listen to the thoughts in our head like the gospel. Yeah, you know what? I mean? Yep. Yeah. I think that that can often be so crippling and that can stop us from going all in because we've got this little voice in your head saying but what if you can't do it, yeah, you're not good enough and I think to a certain extent we've all got that so it's just about you know, how much of that you taking on board the less you take that on board the more you're actually going to succeed but it's just a Kind of trying to ignore that she was just real quick. And I guess like this is a little crisis. I had I've recently I had a full-blown meltdown a few weeks ago would have been literally about that and like not giving yourself an out and I realized that like, if you look back through all the major things that I've aimed for, I've always fallen just short of the cherry and then from that extrapolate as like fuck man, that means I've been so busy and spreading myself so if down across so many different things Things as an out, so if I don't hit the cherry on whatever it is, I say I'm all in for I've got an out to say well I was doing so many things concurrently. I couldn't have possibly yeah. Well I have exams. Well, I exactly and realizing that I was like creating out for myself by spraying myself. So thin made me like mentally blokes was like fuck man. That's not a high-performance attitude that's making excuses in a different form. Yeah and realizing that fucking sucks because I looked back through and I was like, well, I was point three short of a perfect score out of high school. I was like to punch short of getting a scholarship for my degree. I was two kilos short of the Commonwealth Games. I was you know, a percentage short of this High distinction. I really wanted why because my dad died I couldn't be bothered because I was too damn tired from doing everything else, you know, all of these things stack up and you're like, well, I've just been making myself out and that is fucked. I think your dad dying is a fear out my no fat no fat but I mean like Dad dies you're allowed to take a break. Just FYI. Yeah, that's just one of those things like because you don't factor in a life is also going on. So you give yourself an out by being too busy an actual life thing happens and you fall short of your goals and like well did the best I could so that's something that I want to work on into the future being spread less thin because I want to see if I can actually hit that cherry if I don't give myself the out of well, I'm also doing this at a high level. So I'm actually going to give a decent craft of properly specializing in the next couple of years. Yeah, so is that part of the reason behind your decision to retire from weightlifting competitively? Yeah, so that came down the same time and like Nationals were coming up and like eight nine ten weeks had to go overseas deal some family stuff. I had exams coming up and I was like, well, I could pull all of this off adequately and get sung Praises because I'm balancing so successfully or it could just fucking lean in and do something properly. Yeah. And so I think that's a point in my life. Not now, I want to lean in and do something properly. Yeah was that was that ad if I mean, obviously it would have been a really difficult decision to make I assume hmm. I suppose especially because you're a liberal you are a lot of your identity would have been tied up in that sport. You knew was a weightlifter and obviously being such a big part of the community being part of the wa and all that. Yeah, how did you find that making that decision and I guess I would think it would be more having to deal with people's opinions about it. I think that would piss me off the most um, a couple people did the whole like you could have been so good. You could have done this you could have done that qualified for this and that and I'm like well fuck mate like thanks for that. Yeah. That's very helpful. Thank you for telling me. I've missed out on opportunities. I could have had thank you all so much telling me that I've disappointed you. Yeah, like what? Yeah. A couple people did that thing, but I had a good thought I'd think about it and I was like well overall overwhelming sense of relief because I no longer have to be confronted with the fact that well. I'm about to fall in the rankings because I'm trying properly because I've been overseas bearing my father liked not having to deal with like the crippling anxiety. All of I'm not gifted than you. I just literally can't train enough to beat you right now not having to deal with that is awesome. Yeah, that's not you can walk up onto the platform be like, hey guys, just so you know my dad died. I'd and the 30 seconds before you left. Ya Na and thing is no one gives a fuck as an athlete. What you do on the platform is a representation of how good you are and because I could no longer put in the amount of time and effort that was required partly because of family stuff partly because of law stuff. I could no longer commit as much time as I needed to to say Yep. This is currently how good I am. I realized that even the performance was putting out what below what I could be doing. I was like, I'm done. Yeah. I don't want to be doing this if I can't As good as I could possibly be. I think that's such a commendable cold to make though and I think that so many people would just like flog a dead fucking horse. No, no be like, I'm injured. I'm fat. I'm just going to keep going I'm just gonna keep going but like, you know, and there's always people out there who are going to be like, oh, you're so brave your so, you know and admire that but really it is that an admirable attitude to have like, yeah, like the fact that you're doing something a lot less Pleasant. Even you were you could be Kissing the energy onto something else, you know, the slang doesn't work with your life anymore and you you've tried and it doesn't work. Yeah move the fuck away. I'm a dead horse blogger from way back. That's a different item attitude, right because you'll still improving. Well, I just feel and it's been in a lot of areas of my life like it's been in relationships and jobs and Sport like everything where I'm like, no I got to keep going. I've got to make this work. We've got to make this work and I just like keep trying and trying and trying when like the Time I've got this gut feeling that I'm like maybe you just need to move on that to me like moving on is giving us giving up. Yeah, and I guess sometimes like giving up is the brave thing to do but I think that you know, we've got this mindset as like a culture and you know, all these inspiring stories around them is like, oh they just kept trying and they just keep trying and they got yeah, you know, they've got through all this shit in what they got with a one of them in but it's like whoa, give it some times. You may be trying to shouldn't have thing. Maybe you should have just fucking stopped. Yeah, you know, yeah, and I don't think that every single time. It's like you're supposed literally supposed to keep trying until you spoke and I not like definitely not. Yeah, but let's degrees, right? So for example, like with your lifting we know you've got to dodge elbow. So it's going to take a lot of work to get it to a position where it's actually giving you the numbers you wanted to but I think that's a productive type of plugging away at something. Yeah, because there's Improvement. It's not measurable the sense of like bigger jerks the platform. Time you come out but it looks better. It's more consistent more solid all those things. So like as long as you've got a degree of movement in the right direction keep flogging that horse. Ya soon as you start falling backwards no matter what the fuck you're doing. It's not worth it. And that was my lifting. I was getting heavier. I was getting weaker and I was getting more mentally unstable, I guess because of the stress associated with not performing that I was like am literally about to go backwards and I know it and I can feel It I want to quit before it happens on the platform. So quitting while you're ahead. Basically, yeah would be the lesson. Yeah. Yeah, like I admire people that play tennis on into the 40s and like forth the rankings whatever but also admire like the number one retiree. Yeah. I definitely think there's enter and also sitting yourself a limit right? Like I'm going to do this last comp. Yep. That's going to be my last go did I'm done. Yep, and I mean you're always going to have always going to be questions. And what ifs and people giving their like unwanted opinion 50 cents worth? Yeah. I know it's half a dollar fuck off. Spit like across it Anyway by Y. And also why do you care like because they want you to validate their choices. Yeah, and I just don't see how you can put that on to somebody like this their choice their sport what they choose to do with their time, whatever weight class their own whatever they want to do like that's up to them focus on your own shit. Yeah. Everyone wants to be validated by reference to someone else's choices. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They want to hear that you regret it because they want to hear that. They should continue. You you know all that shit. Yeah, like somehow your path is relevant to this is where it's really gone. Yeah you overheard. Yeah fuck right. Well, it's getting rid of date. Yeah, see, how does it have a good dig around you? Like what are we gonna talk about? I'm like, wow, you know balance big dick energy. Yeah. I love her and somehow drag it out to like yeah 45 minutes. She's a great now de Duke Energy is a it's definitely a Vibe and it'll or it's actually also really really tricky because you start thinking about the gendered aspects of it. Yeah. Like I noticed this real bad in first year. We had a mediation exercise. We've got like two teams of three people. On other sides of the desk you both have a client in mind a client has goals obviously and they're opposed obviously, so you have to come to a position in the middle and I realized that of the group of like six people talking one of the girls on my side said not a single thing because her way of communicating was different because I'm obviously big and loud and up front and quite forward you can say she was the opposite Shadow really really quiet. I'm not going to say submissive but didn't mean your to of demeanor. I suppose you could say she was quite small and person quite small and voice and extremely extremely patient and waiting for a gap in the conversation to include a condo you to kind of Barrel on in there didn't it didn't fucking work and I'm like make the rest of our industry are people like this people with opinions who think they know the right thing unless you can shove yourself in you will not be there. You will not be at the table next time and like I spoke to her afterwards privately. fantastic ideas awesome initiatives like all of these really really balanced solutions that should have been on the table. But because she didn't come with the big dick energy that the people around her brought. It just got swept under. Yeah, so does not have fucking good you are unless you're there and your present and your you know, you suck your claws in what the fuck's it full. So again stuck your dick in consensually, obviously, is it as big dick energy like I guess is it a personality trait? Whereas like You don't have it. Well, I didn't I didn't think I've always had it to be honest. Yes. I think I just as I've gotten older I've just given less and less Sparks. Yep, basically and I guess come to accept that like not everyone's going to like me whatever. Yeah, you know and that's okay and I'm not going to try and change that but I'm not going to also change how I am because of that. I think he cultivated. I think you definitely cultivate it. We also have to be quite sensible to where it isn't isn't appropriate like having a banner now swearing liberally all of that. That's very much me and my like, you know out of work hours because at work conservative profession a lot of the people who I admire in the profession are of a different generation with a very different set of like yeah life values and what they think is appropriate. So the way you communicate really has to depend on the audience like bantering with my sports Mates is one thing talking with the judge is another of course, and so the big dick energy, it's appropriate. Situation is very very different. So I definitely told myself down a lot informal a professional context because I know that that attitude does not translate well in a professional space, but you can still maintain a level of big dick energy without swearing and push out being aggressive. Well Cross or crude oil crude, it's just about being like I'm owning my opinion. I deserve to be here like heaven. A presence like you said? Yeah, and I don't think that is necessarily accompanied by swearing or talkin about dicks, but I can't but I can't because Unapologetic as fuck. No it is it is just definitely I think it's a learned attitude and it's learned by watching people you admire. Yeah, definitely and I think that the more people you surround yourself with who do have this kind of level of self-confidence the more it's like you feel okay to be more confident showing opinion. Sure, I can definitely notice since like and the friendship group that I kind of have now people to hang out with now like all of the women in my life a very strong very assertive and they're always kind yeah and supportive. Yeah, they're not mean people but I know that if I did something to piss one of them off that tell me he'd hear about it about it and the same vein I would let them know if you know what I mean, so, I think it's more about About just like being confident with who you are. And I think that's a really really productive way for women to engage because growing up like you got that High School caddy bullshit wherever I'm super super nice on the surface, but actually they're all bitching about everyone else and that fucking attitude people carry into adult life and I'm not here for it. I'm into women that you fucked me off when you did this. Can we move pasta or is this a deal breaker for our relationship? Yeah, exactly and having those honest conversations and being okay with someone saying to you how you sit there and it annoyed me and you being like I'm really sorry. Let's let's work. Let's go. Let's not just sweep it under the rug and your bitch about it to the behind. Yep. Yeah. Well, that's why I believe in confrontation confrontation because having big dick energy means that you are confronting and you're prepared to be confronted. Yeah, you should Surround yourselves. Yeah, you guys need to be calling everyone on this shit and then like lose the plot when somebody addresses you absolutely you've done. Absolutely I think also in terms of like romantic relationships. It's really hard because I know growing up. I mean I'm a bit older than you but it was all you're always kind of like being like, I guess More Meek and having that kind of submissive sorted by was kind of what guys liked it. A guy didn't really want a woman who was going to be like should a fucking parks there. Yeah. Yeah. It was right there. Yeah. Do you open pocket for you to be fair? All my partners in their drivers to me? That's a separate issue, but not tiny actually had and sometimes I regressed back into that. Yeah have your pattern and I've noticed it and I'm like, oh gross like the other day like my boyfriend was driving as and you know, I'm very conscious of when Vanessa's driving not to be like the backseat Drive. Yeah, because it's irritating. Yeah, right. Just trying to find a pot and I swear had driven past like three Parks but didn't say anything because I was like, well, he knows what he's doing. He's driving I would just let him know just didn't make the call. Right? So we packed fucking miles away and you're like Sissy think about it walking back in this tray and he's like, oh, there's like three parts right here. You like not really a fucking dog hunts. I guess I could and he's like, what the fuck? I thought you wanted to park far away and he was like, oh my God, what is wrong with you? Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was wrong with me. Why didn't I just feel like Madison Park? Yeah like but there's also distinctly compromise, right? You second-guess yourself, you know, I found that I've been doing that a lot lately where I'll be like am I being micromanaging? I am I you know, am I being bossy and my being and I think I only question that when it's in like a romantic relationship because it was in the workplace. I'm like damn right? I'm being bossy. I'm the boss. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I'm gonna tell that person to move off. My platform is my platform. Yeah. Yeah for sure because I'd the repercussions don't concern me. Like if someone's going to get annoyed that I've liked told them what to do it work. I don't care because that's my job. Yeah, someone's going to get annoyed because I told me with my platform. I don't care. It's my platform. And yeah, no, I got some reason when it's in a romantic context. There's a lot of fear around although they're going to think I'm bossy. They're gonna think I'm psycho that going to think XYZ are not giving them enough space to be with them or whatever. So I tend to like regress to this like less of this like small smaller dick. Yep version of myself, I get that and like hard because I tend to have the exact same thoughts of the partner, but for me it often comes down to I know my greatest strength, but also my biggest relationship weakness is that I am highly neurotic. Oh my God that don't fuck with my sleep. I know exactly what I want to eat. Yes, like A lot of ways, I'm very particular. I don't want to sleep at your house. I want to sleep in my house. Yeah, because I have three things to do tomorrow and I don't want to think about packing my bag for three things plus overnight was sleeping in mind or we're not just fuck. This is me, right and I'm sleeping over I'm bringing my laptop. Yep, because he'll sleep in. Yeah, and I know that I'm going to get up at 6:00 and I'm going to want to do some work. Yep. So I'll bring my laptop. Yeah arouse I'm not fucking sleeping over because I'm not going to lie there look at the sink if they're like, yeah, it's not get that, you know, so like being neurotic is really hard because like I know I'm neurotic and I know that you know, I need to have dinner by 7 p.m. And I need to know what I'm eating. Yeah, there's no surprise food. Yeah surprise times for meals. Yeah, let's like spontaneous. So let's just go do this. No, I agree. So it is it's hard in a sense because you have to try and like back that off a little bit because it is intimidating for most people more. They also want they don't have to live your neurotic life and you want to respect your partner's right to be a normal human. Yeah, and you do Like a thing because it matters to you. Yeah, I got that. I know it's really hot. But the other thing is, right. It also depends on the personality match because I had a really good role model in my mother because my mother was extremely neurotic and extremely particular that's actually raised me. And now that we've got our stepdad he is just an absolute gem. He's like this enormous Canadian, you know, he's awesome used to be an elite athlete whatever but he's very much a yes dear man in the sense that I'm relaxed. I don't care. She's particular weed or her away because it makes her happy really do need to have that balance in a relationship. And I first I thought it was a bit weird because it's like she can be extremely unreasonable. So yes during all the time from an outside perspective looks really weird, but then I met his whole group of friends and all the couples are like that the wives like these tiger moms that are super neurotic and Sue particular husband's like these incredible gentle men that I yes dear most of the time because they just love you so much that they're like if you need to be Eating by 701 we will eat at 7:01. I will bring it to work if necessary like that survived and I think that's sort of relationship balance your ultimately looking for because we have two highly neurotic highly specific people the chances that you meet on the particular things in your erotic about our 0. Yeah, like I've dated athlete it doesn't fucking work because you've got your sleep schedule. They've got theirs their meals are your meals and ultimately you coexist you don't exist like as a unit. Yeah, where's one one of the partners is relaxed and they're in it because they love View you have the space to be neurotic psycho. I think that's the best sort of balance. Yeah, I think that's kind of what I've realized rather than trying to find a partner who's neurotic about the same things not too hard because yeah, you just end up pressing each other off. Yep, because you're so unreasonable in this your clothes on reasonable and unreasonable Latif. Yeah, just like a fucking constant so we fight we did X obviously agree with you which is why I just need to find a partner. That's very very different to Yeah, and that's the most successful relationships. I've had one. My partner is like objectively not as high achieving because they don't tick off the same sort of bullshit that I took off, but they're incredibly impressive person loving smart all those things. They just a lot less psycho. Yeah, and I think that's the only way it can work. Yeah. I feel like I need someone who makes up for like all of those things that my personality is lacking. Yeah, that's what it is. Right. You meant to complement each other not like hit the same mouth. All Stones. Yeah, I know Dad. It's pretty cool that you already realized that I feel like it's taking me fucking years. It took some soul-searching. Yeah, I know right? But yeah hmm. We're having our so that's the main thing. Yeah, right. Well, I should so fucking hard. We should do like a whole separate podcast on them exhales gonna I have got one planned with Tom and Siobhan because they're both in on my podcast and there are a couple cool. Obviously we got to talk. Relationship. Yeah, it'd be great. Hi functioning people in relationships. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I mean basically we just living out this time functioning lives. Yeah. I'm just trying to add a human to it my God, that's so accurate. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely like when you said something's got to give that's exactly it. When you bring a relationship in it's got to be a really really aggressive reprioritization. Does this relationship with this human matter enough to me that I'm prepared to take some pegs off my goals And because don't delude yourself and thinking before the high level plus adding a human that you care about into the mix. Yeah, that's not a thing. So which is why relationships I think to me into your so critical because you've got to be really fucking worth it for me to fuck with my sleep take pegs off. My study all those things. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I guess that's all we're doing right as we just try to find that person is worth it. Yeah, which is hard because you're always busy and you're not dating you not drinking. And we all know you don't fuck someone at the gym. No, no bad bad choice bad choice really but it has a there that's right moving on moving on. Yeah. Yeah. So if you got any last minute mind gold for our many fans out there any quotes any Little Gems of wisdom that you can offer actually fucking in bring it with me, but there's a book that I want everyone to read it some buffer All Blacks what the fuck's apart. I've realized swear. It's about sweeping the shit. Yeah, um fuck, you know, fuck it up like he talking. Yeah, you jabbering. Basically, I'm good at that. It's about I guess I learned from it. It's a lot about how to leave how to how to be a good leader and making sure that you're doing like the the most menial tasks that you're requiring someone to do it. You're doing it yourself basically and it is called Legacy and is by James Kerr. Yes. I have read that. It's fun and incredible of books that use Sports as an analogy and I guess it's relevant to you. Even if you don't do a sport because it is literally just that it's an analogy well, So about a high-performance mindset and like anything you take like the sweeping the sheds thing the idea is that the captains at the end of a game will sweep out the warm-up room because football cleats obviously rugby cleats kick off a lot of grass. And so the code the captain's will sweep the shed the warm-up room after the team has departed just show that the leaders aren't above it. The leaders are in the trenches with you and that's a really really important aspect of leadership and like every other anecdote or quote they put in They're some of my translate from already. Obviously, some of them are just straight up English and they all convey a lesson about leadership or teamwork or all these important high-performance attitude things that just fucking mutter and sport is just such a pithy analogy because it's easy to understand. Yeah, and it's so much about teamwork and and all that all that stuff that we can apply to a lot as basically. Yeah. Sure. I suppose the only like mine gold thing to depart with is that increasingly because I've hit the ripe old age of 25. I'm starting to have more conversations with people around me about not stalling because it's really really easy to be like full steam ahead. When you're sixteen Seventeen eighteen. Do your sports doing a high school. You do your degree start your career. I've been smoking crack in the toilet the high-performance - that later I did we're talking about like life is that have like always, you know gun for shit and you hit the age of 25 you finish your degree and you started your job and you just stagnate as fuck because you're tired. You've ticked things off you're done. Done and like having that transition from gunung all the time to being an adult try to have a life and a social life and a partner and whatever that point of possible stagnation had a big through that had a lot of conversations people have bad that like pick up a language never stop learning pick something and make sure you're good at it because if your job is not fulfilling you pick a sport doesn't fucking matter what one and I think something I has always spoken to me. There's a Sylvia Plath quote literally looks it up before because I always butcher it it reads what See most is the idea of being useless. Well educated brilliantly promising and fading out into an a different middle age. So guys go find bona fide. I can do that. It's amazing. Oh, that's beautiful. Did you take it off all of these things? And you hit 40 and what have you done for? The last decade? Yeah fucking hell. Yeah. It's amazing just tokens then a no offense. Yeah, no offense intended made that choice, but that's what I mean. Like, I think that's a mine gold. I want everyone to take away never stop moving forward and it doesn't matter if you re adjust your goals, but have a fucking good reason for it. I Quit sport so I could focus on law so I can stop having an out for not hitting that cherry. This is an excuse for me to start, you know, fucking around doing nothing. It's if you've committed to it do it and if you don't have a really good reason for it don't just become mediocre and look back on all the things you could have should have done. That's fucking beautiful. Thank you so much. You're an absolute treasure on my it's been a pleasure no matter what you do whether you decide to come back to weightlifting with you decide to do if I can bodypump. You got to be fucking good at it maybe spin class. I need to take a legs and thank you so much Graham, and I have enjoyed your company immensely. It's been my pleasure. You're a legend. Thank you. Have a good day. Everyone. Bye.

Sofia Zudova is a high performing individual, former elite athlete and currently at the tail end of a law degree. We discuss the myth of balance, big dick energy, and the importance of always moving forward. 04:00 The episode narrowly avoids becoming about Graham. 06:00 Being a mostly highly functioning human (with the possible exception of this morning). 08:00: The myth of balance: the cost of trying to multi task at a high level in multiple pursuits. 11:00 Being good scares people. Why we make excuses for mediocrity and fail to back ourselves. 15:00 #BDE : the origins of big dick energy and whether this is something you can attain. 19:00 The time Sofia told teenage girls they couldn't use the bathroom at the gym and why she's still cut over it. 24:00 Law and lifting : suffering imposter syndrome regardless of your status or ability. Why we have to fake it and lean the fuck in. 30:00 Giving yourself an 'out' is just a different form of making excuses. The courage to to make the decision not to spread yourself so thin and knowing when it's OK to let something go. 37:00 People's opinions and why you should ignore them and elbow your way in there regardless. 45:00 The challenge of being a neurotic individual in a relationship, and the struggle of finding someone who's not intimidated annoyed by your levels of neurosis. 53:30 Last minute Mindgold : Never stop moving forward.

What's up? I'm gonna sweat here with Mark Pollard. I have Matt's answer. He's the see SO2 Chief strategy officer of gray over in London and also the chair of the APG the account Planning Group, which is a guess right Matt the main planning institution organization in the world pushing all good things to planners about planning and so the world welcome mat. Hello. Let me to be here. Yeah, it's great to have you I will there's so much stuff that we can cover. I was involved with the APG back in Australia great organization. And you know, I think the thing that we're going to talk about largely today is going to be culture of planning and you know, when I do these interviews are often have types of people in mind and I know that things like personas are loved by some people and hated by others, but I do often do have certain faces and people in mind and the person that in mind that I have for this conversation is largely. On the shoe is kind of new to the idea of planning and mighty might even be in an agency where planning doesn't exist and maybe they've lost a few pictures and they start to give feedback that the strategy / planning and I use those words interchangeably, especially in America and they might have had feedback and that strategy or planning wasn't that strong and deep down. They know they went in with 50 slides of six possible labeled insights and then had 50 slides of tactics not necessarily an idea or platform in the middle and I'll speak to them and I'll be like, yeah, we trying to work out how to do planning and one of the first things I will try to understand from them as what like what is their culture what is their workflow? Because it's very hard just to drop a planner or planning into an organization because organizations are very slow to change. So today we're going to hear from a CSO about how it works in a place where it does work and then we'll try to consider. How to get it to work in a place where it has never been Matt, you're from what I understand quite interested in the idea of culture over process with plant right big believer in I mean, I've always been very lucky in the agencies. I've worked out to to work in I guess in an established planning culture strategy culture within an agency that respects and values strategy and planning greatly. So I've always been lucky enough. after to be a part of that and and a grave been lucky enough to to lead a leader department and agency and help Foster that so it was a gray when the the brilliantly see Jameson sort of talked about Peter drucker's the power of culture over process and how culture eats strategy for breakfast, you know, and you can mimic process minute mimic product of many things, but your culture is it's a real powerful asset to a company and I've always Big believer of the community and as a cultural entity of clouds and and as part of a broader agency culture working together to to get to great great work. So yeah, very passionate about that in the APG as a community as a is a natural extension of that for me. Oh, I want to get into the two words. You know, I'm going to do this. What what is culture culture I guess is as is a Is a is a manifestation of that at least three behaviors right says it's a set of behaviors which which which Define a belief system and a way of living and shared ideology. I think it's about identity. It's about it's about shared beliefs and Ambitions and a shared set of values, which you not you as a group together and and Alex created by Bye-bye. The manifestation of behaviors of people have status and Leadership within that community and and and it's something you have to work out and and and nurture and and respect and when you do so you can achieve quite quite incredible brilliant things. Yeah, I mean culture gets used in various ways, but I think in the way that we're talking about it, it's a set of beliefs that lead to a set of behaviors so step one if You're in the world of trying to work out how to improve planning in your agency or get it in in the first place I think is to get a piece of paper and write beliefs on one part of that piece of paper babies on the other and in a non-judgmental but slightly compassionate way just write down what you think the beliefs of the people that you're working with are there will be stated beliefs in most companies and value statements. Most of them are pretty saccharine, but write them down right because you can't just change an entire stack of beliefs by hiring a head of planning planning. For example, okay. What about the word process? I was lucky enough when I started when I started as a planet to be so fed, and incredible stack of books and thinking by various people and one of them that I still haven't been bred in a while, but I'm going to go back to his I don't know if you've read it. Tom Peters reimagine, which is was one of the most incredible sort of sort of Rants and Raves about modern business culture. And in there remember a phrase that jumped out. He said you need enough enough processor. You don't need process, you know. And I'm not I'm not saying process per say is it is a is a bad thing but the culture and sense of identity and shared ambition should should always leave for me and then you need enough flexibility in the steps and processing and guidelines upon which you go. There you go through things Frameworks was springboards rather than handcuffs ways of operating workflow and different clients will have different processes. That's what I think is interesting is when These become too structured in their own process then the dictates how you how you operate with clients who may have very different varying needs and their own ways think I'm not I'm not I'm not backing out saying it's unnecessary. It's just with slightly dubious about having the exact way of how you should answer a problem before you even truly sat down and engaged in gone through the initial process. Yeah, and I don't know because probably academic language there's probably an adjective or That goes in front of the word process in some places because you have conventional traditional processes like the five days. So I'm not talking at you madam talking to people who are listening but let you know so okay describe. So there's you know, I guess you could call it like a light process like the five days Discovery definition definition of problem in the design development deployment. That was one that I grew up around. Yeah. Yeah with planning, you know talk to. Well write a discussion guide work out what you're trying to do talk to people to find the problem. What's the inside? What's the strategy? Right? So these are kind of like processed lights and I've know I talked about America. I love the USA guys, but you know, I had some weird experiences here. So I talk about it because I had huge business culture shock. Then there's the other side of that which is someone trying to write almost like a 60 step guide to getting to an idea. Where does Grace sit on that the complete Into the Spectrum, you know complete other end of the Spectrum, which is much more about a shared ambition at the start of a pretty understanding the problem that you face in it and a shared ambition of where the outcome that you want to achieve or able to trajectory and how come and then working through a much lighter touch process of then how you go about achieving that, you know, we use Simple Frameworks as you'd expect from a brief constructive issue in sight idea. At the impact you want to have or or the classic for box Matrix of understanding the consumer inside the cultural tension the category opportunity and under the company's right to play many of which I'm sure many agencies are be agencies all will play around which is why it's the way in which you you leap from that and how you work together which can create something distinctive in the face of other agencies who will have the same process, you know. This is going to be very similar in lots of different agencies, but the culture of how you attack that and the energy you take into that is what will set you apart. And that's what clients feel when they're in the room and were the irony of all of this. Not sure if it was in a book called it was a book on talent talent is overrated under bow overrated or grid and the researchers were saying that the longer that someone's doing something the top the top people in that field have very very simple rules. Of thumb that could be three or four or five beliefs and principles that they apply but because of their experience and because of their technical ability, they apply these things in very specific and Powerful ways. So that someone who's been designing for 20 to 25 years who's incredible if one of their principles is take away everything. I don't need like that's kind of part of their process, you know, because by then the process will be inserted have a bunch of ideas make a bunch of stuff. Take away everything. I don't need ya. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I totally agree if I was any talking talking the other day to one of our very brilliant Global planning Partners here at gray it who was talking just at that and saying as the most senior he gets him with the more senior clients. He is working with the simpler his approaches and Frameworks have become in order to be able to clearly land and operationalize his thinking so it's not only just out of repetition and habit and themes but also out of the need that when you get To that level you need to be able to land it. So simply and that takes a lot of simplification versus Simplicity as you well know as two different things. It takes a lot of effort to make it that that's simple and that's something you just have to work on. I think the interesting thing you touch upon is though many people listening. I'm sure that the notion of it for 25 years doing the same thing and apply the same logic day in day out on different is an interesting one, you know, we're working with talent and and I myself have come through many different. Observe agencies tackling different types of problems in different ways so that you know, the thought of pure repetition of the same approach is not something that's it's totally comfortably with me and indeed many of the other younger strategies. I'm sure coming out. So it's going to be interesting how people having Frameworks they can draw upon and pull up onto shortcutting to tackle problems, which you yourself provide brilliantly. I really really useful ways to allow you to Sacrament. Yeah, and so that's not to say that those rules of thumb something that One's repeating robotically for 20 to 25 years, but there are able to apply them in a more specific way knowing that there's going to be chaos in all creative work as their needs to be so but I also think that planners for anyone who's doing creative work or thinking work they need to and I seed if I see people debate this idea. I think they need to be able to express themselves on a project and then some people will say Oh, no, you're there to do the clients work and it's you know. That's being disobedient and all that sort of stuff. Do you have a strong opinion about the idea of self-expressing on a project a hundred percent good. I expect it from from everyone. I expect brilliant creatives to be brilliant strategy strategy has to be to be able to lean heavily into into into ideas and client service and business directors to be able to lean into strategy, you know for me the it's the Melting Pot of everyone together and all the other disciplines on top of that that triumvirate in design and Technology data and so forth. Fourth it's all about self-expression to me. That's the magic. That's the that's the that's the Gold Dust which which you want people to bring a new job. I look for I look for strategist. When you hire to understand what expression and personality that planner is going to bring the project and the business a hundred percent Huntington because so that's explicitly get back into the idea of culture. How would you describe the culture of planning at gray open is how we always I've always talked about it an open culture of collaboration empowerment diversity of thought it's about giving people the freedom and autonomy to express themselves and to pursue their trains of thought. It's about a more of a coaching mentality rather than pure sort of hierarchical in terms of management and sign up and it's one of the breeds hopefully an absorption of different. Stimulus and thinking and generalism install allows work to flourish repeated more diverse, but equally creates a more stimulating and enjoyable environment for people to be a part of a community for people to be a part of and I should say that that is not something that's just distinct of the planning Community, you know, we're not just a subset of stand-alone everything is within the context of the broader agency. That's that to your point about people on their own trying to forge a strategic crew. And Community you have to be a part of respected and part of the broader the team course, can you talk a little bit more? So if we're talking about culture as being a set of behaviors born from a set of belief, is there anything that we haven't talked about that would help us understand the beliefs at the heart of that culture. I guess it's really hard right. There's a really is a really simple behavior that I think has been transformative to our planning culture and it's probably going to accordingly laughs it's not anything grandiose, but it's something that's really simple and we do it every week. And it's a Thursday morning breakfast. It's a Thursday morning breakfast where every week we all get together and we talk and we share briefs. We share thinking and interesting people stand up and the TEAM stands up and I say it because you can write to your point down the big believe statements But ultimately it's those daily behaviors and rituals which change and create community and identity and change in an organization and having a forum where week in week out the community of 20 or 30 or how many planets sitting down and I think relationships and supporting each other and talking can be serendipitously exchanging thoughts on briefs and problems can be one of the most powerful galvanizes and and Catalyst in a team culture and it's those sort of like, you know, Malcolm Global being talked about breaking Windows the things that give permission for all the other things to happen that I think are the important things to to look for and do I'm a big lover of first hip-hop and creativity and Questlove was interviewed upon his book create. 70 and he had a lovely expression as well which is like, you know find your flock fuss when he was asked about how he was recommended and I think we need to create those environments for that recruiter to come together with a breakfast meetings. Are there certain things that you're conscious of doing in those meetings? For instance. I used to start planning meetings or strategy meetings by asking people. What's one risk you've taken in the past week and how did it go there were 12 to 15 of us. So wasn't there weren't too many people but it sends a signal that the aim was to take risks and to learn from And to share I guess it's more we always encourage people to stand up with their new to the team and present share something from from themselves and something they're passionate about passionate about something that our that allows them to realize this is a place of growth and vulnerability is okay and good with their support each other. We've got briefs on the table to discuss even share their problems. There aren't I like that notion of those sort of specific questions around things like that, but no more just a just a general Team pushing and supporting each other and spilling out into instant daily into daily life in the agency. Yeah, so some of the traits that you mentioned before about planning and then within gray as well, you're seeing in London our openness collaboration diversity Freedom autonomy coaching an appreciation for generalism and community and I got to tell you that I think a lot of people who've spent a few years in inside a good productive planning department will relate to that the problem is when They then try an agency that's not like that and is not used to having planning. You know, I've worked in places. I like coaching. It's probably obvious for the stuff that I do, right and I've worked in places as a suspicious of that because they felt that there was an expectation that you have to be a boss and boss people around and tell them what to do and I learned that because sometimes other senior people went in the room and I'd ask people their opinions and they would say just tell me what to do Mike. How are you in this industry and correcting with me like that right now? I I've never heard that before so you must know people who've been very optimistic about establishing new planning departments in agencies that haven't had them or who have been just a new planner in an agency that's not used to planning. What are some of the cultural barriers that you've heard about when people try to bring in planning and specifically planning described in the way that you've described it at Gray. Well, yes, it's a big question. I guess you've got to do and you're going to interrogate the broader organizational culture before you sort of join or get a sense of it. Don't you to understand what the what the dominant behaviors of that organization are whether people with the status in the influence in their organization who how do they how they feel and you know, sometimes you find that it's agencies which have a very clear sort of mimic and hierarchical approach to the lens of how certain people think the world is and the work is made and you're there to replicate and be a part of that which can be good if you're learning as a planning function, but not if it's necessary for man Express and to change I think if you're starting as a junior or store Mid Stratton, you're trying to create a strategy function. I worry that that's a really hard task for strategist with that without a Without a senior leader of the discipline who has the sponsorship of executive members. That's a really hard uphill task to operate with him. And I guess it's understanding what you're what you're in for to enter into those process places. And if you're at and if you're in there how much how much are you prepared to take on to try and change it versus looking for a more conducive culture that is embracing and ready for you two to step into. So yeah, it's a heart it is it is a hard one. Like I said, I've been blessed with planning cultures that are established and to think that there's a lot of I guess jr. Strategies out there trying to form form their very essence of a strategy Department within it within a broader agency as a really tight. There's a tough one because it's a lot of responsibility to take on where time when you should be really learning learning as much as I think the I look I get messages from people who convinced their bosses that they want. The strategist and then print that you know to into a career and not sure exactly what to do with it. And nor it nor is the boss is never had strategy and then on the other side, I know senior people I'm in a way I've got through this who is very hard to diagnose. What a company is like while you're interviewing. I admit in New York. I got to the point where every agency's got a story and there's pressure on agencies because margins are getting tighter. So they are at they're all looking at ways of increasing their access to bigger budgets or not lose their budgets and planning is a tool that many of them use purely for business development. Not necessarily through thinking I got to the point where under few interviews. I was like, you know, can I just come in and look over people shoulder shoulders with the work they're doing because everybody's got a story and that was because it's hard to diagnose. I mean I get so many messages from people who are totally gassed lip where they get brought in as a head of strategy or in a very senior strategy role and the person who hired them. Who's the president or CEO and the Same that I want to let them in they're not going to change anything. It destroys people for years. Do you hear many stories like that in the UK? And I'm not I'm not being dramatic. I want to be really clear that I can point out. If I was on LinkedIn, I can point them tens and tens and tens of people and they do have gather a little bit more in certain types of agencies. I think that the dominant story we hear over in London and is maybe different is more of a huge expectation responsibility pressure placed upon jr. The gist to deliver an increasingly tough circumstances rather than I'm not going to let you do your thing. I don't buy what you're going to what you can deliver and and I'm just going to sort of just take the money from your client for your hours. So the dominant narrative is much more about how do we help both planners that have that incredible energy to propel themselves and they're thinking for its harness that energy and manager energy and look after themselves. But equally how do we Champion a culture and a way of working as in The strategy Community which is she's more conducive more supportive more sustainable and encourages perspective and boundaries rather than that takes advantage of that energy and willingness of young minds so that that's the stood that's more of the story that we see over here in London, but I guess I can I can imagine in the states and people strive to set themselves on a path. They want to go upon that it's more about frustration that they're not able to express themselves. Although it's not the willingness to change and I think that's you have to take it as far as you can take it find the people you think are most likely to make the change which is hot as you can but if there's a point where you go, do, you know what my energy is just being absolutely depleted and it's there's no momentum. Then you have to make you have to make the switch. I would say when you talk about tough circumstances. What what are you hearing? Where do you start that? There's impossible expectations on people being put in positions where they they are being asked to do more senior more. Greater quantity of work under greater duress without the support and remuneration and and respect of the broader of a broader culture and management and Leadership that it's taking its toll physically obviously mentally from a confidence point of view that people are simply not having the time to do the work in the way. They like a lack of boundaries that people are putting them on to a younger planners and that therefore planners are also like a boundary spanners of placing on themselves is It's quite crazy, even in a well-intentioned culture and organization. That is it is still a really hard task to balance the needs of clients that commercial music organization the talent development resilience and energy. It's even with the best intentions. It's really hard to manage an end in organizations where they're much more commercially focused and understandably under pressure at this x then there's a human capital unfortunately and that's being that is playing out. We see it quite prevalent liat. That mutant senior strategy strategic level. Do you have any suggestions for how someone can first of all diagnose whether the impossible expectations? They're feeling are legitimate or just part of growing pains and then what to do about them, but I think the first thing I mean brilliant cat Wiles is a head of strategy cccp yesterday at a PGA event talks so eloquently and brilliantly on this subject and one of the things she says, you know set reasonable. Little expectations of yourself. I'm not saying don't push yourself and have a growth mindset and look to look to succeed. But we reason about the expectations you're placing on yourself and not beating yourself up horrendously for not being able to deliver two bosses expectation or what you're seeing another world around you. So I think understanding what's a realistic expectation of yourself and understanding what you need. I always say to my to my team manager manager push on to your seat. Your management support you to provide you with the prioritization to provide you with the resources to provide you with the with the guidance to be able to fulfill and on the opportunities that you have. Those are the sorts of practice steps that our planet can take in order to change and take control of the situation, but it's equally with the onus is on the management to create an environment and a culture where that is encouraged and expected. Yeah. I think they need to be way more senior voices in public or talking about this. Topics because when you're feeling these things that's very lonely and then when the industry is quiet you just like well, maybe that's just the way it is and that's not going to breed a healthy industry for what it's worth for those listening. I think Dennis was a whole typology of impossible expectations that we could get into because on the one hand you're going to have clients launching a campaign on Friday night at a big event. And we you know, you can have to work the whole weekend getting some reports together that's for you to decide if that's an impossible expectation, but one thing that I personally started to do is just Simplify questions. I was asking myself. So what's one risk I could take on this project. What's one thing I could do differently. What's one thing I learned from last project and using numbers like that to give me a sense of focus and and power and calm it through what will be chaos you have any techniques like that? No, I mean the same in Anna idly. I'll be happy to admit that I apply is catching yourself, you know, the the way in which we think and operate under duress is learned through years of a ritual Behavior response to situations, you know fight or flight so forth and in situations when you're finding yourself going down a path of stress distress, if you can just stop and observe that that is happening catch yourself in that moment and just take a second 20 seconds, whatever it might be to catch yourself and observe. What response is likely to come as a result, you know, if you're and observe that step back and not be able to catch yourself that can at least allow you the moment of Awareness to then go. Okay. Now, how do I how do I want to help do I want to actually change this? What do I want to get out of this? What would be a better way more useful and helpful way for me to respond. So catching catching yourself at those moments is key and I've certainly found useful for me and like you say taking control and realizing this your day. This is your life get out of it what you want beginning to set your own priorities as you've said, it's critical. So yeah. Sometimes have a few Mentor has I always always imagined people in London in planning rolling their eyes when I use a word like that, but let's park Parkinson's law I think is I think it's Parkinson's law that will take the time we have it's very try it but it's kind of calming and then I love I love just think about what what is reality, you know, we're making it all up. But what am I? Why don't I try to make my own reality on this project? Not just going to say one that I was having. I got it from working with nails Lennon closely. News here for two years, you know we used to say see it groups of people around a table and there before borrowed browse and screwing their hands and I'm trying to solve a problem you see in there one day and see them there the next day and we will see celebrity. No pressure. Yeah never see no pressure a light heart freezed amount of yeah, the increased amount of pressure that you press up on yourself because of your passion because of your desire for perfectionism creates a paralysis and a moment of levity a moment of puncturing that which Seems totally counterintuitive want to make people laugh when people, you know can actually then create a breakthrough and a perspective which which can breed a more enjoyable bed, but ultimately better better work. So when I always have is that level everything on pressure it'll be interesting see agencies put up laughter monitoring things in as part of their balanced scorecard. You mentioned the phrase manager now, I've heard that a bunch of times as well and I've heard it from people who would never in the agency. I've heard it from people who would also say only bring me the solution not the problem which when you're starting out is a bit of a rip rip the riddle. Yeah. What what is an appropriate use of managing up and I don't and what I mean is like it sounds a really structured term for me. It's about a member of the team being comfortable and confident enough comfortable enough more than anything with a relationship with their senior line manager to talk to them to ask them to clarify what they expect the teas that they expect to share their work earlier rather than later to embrace opinion and to begin to to get them on and I want to point of trajectory of the way. They're working with the right support and resources and time expectations. They need in order to do their job to the best of their ability and to benefit and and that's what I mean by managing up you're not there's a sense of through fear and desire to do the best job you hold on too tight to the You have or you leave it until that, you know, but deadlines two weeks you need until the moment of engaging with your boss to the table for those two weeks because you need to get perfect rather than a more open and and it puts more responsibility on the manager. It asks of them to support to help and it creates a much more supportive relationship. You know, I've always thought that as and I say to the people in my team who are managing younger people you learn more from the people, you know more about yourself from people Humanity fell from the people above you will learn more about how you behave and your own weaknesses in your own strength from people that are asking questions and ask you if you so it's a real two-way thing. I think but yeah managing up yourself. I'm getting flashbacks to when I first heard it and it was one of those words which when I look back at it now kind of shocked me a bit because I was in a place that was doing pretty good work. It was pretty loosey-goosey, you know in Australia people go to work. Thongs or flip-flops and everyone knows that right the difference there and then someone said this phrase and I was like God we're using business speak. I thought would be I know I feel like I kind of cringe when I say it but I don't know because and I think the phrase it changed I was like, oh God now good act or business see with this person in an agency. That doesn't really act like that. What's a what's a different phrase? I think we did change it. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you know and as I and and I think you're right. I don't know. It's I think about that. I drop your now and he made me a better one, but you're right. It doesn't quite sit right with me but it's the best way of I think people I guess what I'm getting at is it's about taking taking control of her situation rather than the the management coming down. It's about you feeling empowered and in control to be able to manage the people to manage the people that love you to help you and that's what I that's what I've always liked about it because it's important. It's there is as much of this is about a nurturing environment for junior people. It's also about saying hey, there is a certain amount of responsibility that you need to grasp in order to change your own trajectory and future we're going to give you that responsibility and you have to take it and you will make with it what you will and we will help you and that's what I've always loved about running a part and it's being able to do that and expecting them to lean into it and take it. So behavioral economics says this idea of Of deliberate practice and deliberate practice is where you break down the key components of your craft and you try to practice the most difficult parts of them in a live situation and you get feedback. Right? So if you wanted to get good at if you want to get good at shooting three-pointers in basketball with you probably set a number I'm going to do 200. I'm going to shoot 200 times today. I'm going to have people running at me and random ways. Someone's going to pass me the ball. I'm gonna have a coach monitoring me giving me feedback as far as like, right. Creative briefs. Do you give feedback is do rate and review briefs every three to six months. You know, what are the feedback mechanisms that you've seen that a useful specifically around creative briefs planning is not a vacuum for a start. So, you know immediately understanding your relationship with other members of the of the team. I think it starts they're not in with my feedback on a brief but how the team collectively have a greed and ambition and approach and what they want. That's the Thing for me I tend to attend to sit an exploratory phase with people on Bruce's they're kicking out into different options. I like if you're going to I always find if you're approaching a senior member of either planning or the creative department or certain to show them your brief, you know, you get I was for the first point of contact you got to recognize this as a thinker who is going to be thinking expansively about the problem and therefore to give them One Singular option is going to be it's going to be tricky. So I always think you Art with a it's good to start with an expansive conversation around around the different ways ways into it. And then more recently we've got more specific on on the craft of The Craft of a brief and the sacrifice that you need to put into it to writing a brief that the how time you know, the narrative flow is and that's something more recently. We've again just going back to to ensuring that as you get new members of to the team in and as you just need to as you need to just revisit together and push on but it's much more about a supporting people as they're defined the problems supporting those expansively look at different options and then being there to help craft help them craft and push the briefs as they then quickly write them but it's fair to say as well. You know, we've got a number of very senior planning Partners who act as a sort of distributed leadership that mentor and drive and push the briefs and each of them have their own style and their own beliefs and their own way of operating so that it creates a rather Just going through one uniform approach that one head of strata. Once he gets over Leeds. It's about making sure we have the nuances in the flavors of different strategy teams. Okay, if that answers your question. Yeah, I think so. I mean what I'm hearing is that there's feedback in the form of in Project application of domain expertise experience and Technical craft skills and subjectivity. So I get that it's maybe not as formalized as I think some of the deliberate practice No, definitely another part of the open culture. We talked about this with strategies to create teams that are empowered and a given their opportunity for self-expression to take their thinking in the way that they feel is best appropriate to solve the problem with their client support them with with line management that can guide them and push them but not to create a singular singular funnel through me as a CSO that says this is the way I would do it because if you're looking for diversity of thought of you looking for in four different innovative, Ways of solving problems, you know, I mean you want to try and create an environment which which allows for those those those varying varying approaches while still holding I guess the standard. Yeah, and I think that's just the application of those beliefs. You mentioned earlier openness collaboration diversity Etc. There are Iran today for digital agencies exploring strategy recently and I started to write down I like this kind of operating system because often people think about planning and I think about the a brief and that risk there being too much of a sacred nurse around the brief and I do think you've got a zoom back out and actually think about like does this agency actually have a philosophy a creative philosophy a planning philosophy had of those things sit together and then there's a bunch of other things you need to think through before you even get to the small things such as the brief like what's the philosophy of Gray? We've always talked about cultural ambition in our work the work. We don't have a Powerhouse style of work with always been very, Proud of the fact that we don't necessarily have a house style. We have a house standard but we trying to adhere to but we've always you know, the guiding philosophy that has pushed us forward to the last few years is about asking ourselves the question of what's the what's the culture and Mission in this project was a culture ambition for this brand. Where can we take it? Where what's the outcome we want to achieve and then how can we best achieve that through through the thinking and through the work and it's LED. Let's work a different shapes and different different types of output with that outcome in mind rather than rather than necessarily the the singular form of its advertising of communication tool to solve to solve a problem. And then as part of that obviously there for strategic approach to understand people in The Wider context cultural tensions, and that kind of approach in terms of strategy and really the role of the planner in being the Arbiter at person facilitating and keeping people true to This is where this is a trajectory we are this is where we want to take the take the branch table work. It's been how we've how we've adopted it and equally we've got different different clients different ways of approaching it, but that's that's been the approach that has guided guided us and like I say, it's a spirit and it's a sort of a combination of a believing the type of work we want to make and with open how we want to work to create it. So if you've talked about cultural ambition and shared ambition future Times now. What sin? Can you give me an example pointing at a particular project? How do you write that? What kinds of words are you using to each other or on a piece of paper? I think it varies right? So it's like it's with lucozade sport one of our Brands. It's like how do we get a million people moving? How do we move you from a capacity of brand is about football and rugby in into an actually a modern Fitness culture and get get a million people around the country moving and active right with Volvo. They almost have their own ambition, which is innovate by 2020. No one in. No one in all because of a Volvo should to die in an accident and that created a real sense of a cultural Vision ambition all the work around it. We wanted to make and it can be more executional. You know, it can be more with the Vinnie Jones where we did a number of years ago. It was about how we created entertainment and educate people through entertainment with lots of Lights of Vinnie Jones order or shows that a theater show so it can be like, I guess more brand purpose level ambition in the world versus more for the For the for the execution and how you take out to culture and how you're going to get into popular culture with the executional construct. So is it works in different ways and thinking about it kind of helps us in terms of you know, classic cutting through the expectation be wrong though. They don't care. They're not thinking about our Brands and I'm thinking about the work that we create. So we have to do our best to puncture that and be a part of that. Yeah, and I think again to go back to the very start of this that anyone thinking about bringing in planning into a And see just from what we talked about their what Matt was talking about. There's a set of beliefs, right which is to be provocative. We believe in being provocative. We believe in work that makes a different difference to people in culture in public. We set high expectations, right? So you could probably list 30 to 40 beliefs. Just from what Matt's been talking about today. Let me let me go down to the last topic. I know we've touched on as well. We have jumped around a bit. That's always my fault. You've recently had a night at the APG. You can't plan it. Gloom in London talking about mental health. Can you talk to me about why now for that topic and what were some of the conversations that happened on the night as I you know, I talked endlessly. We're with you already about that the importance of community when I joined the APG I said to Sara Newman the brilliant director of the APG the most important letter in them is for me is the G is the group and how we support each other how outside of the pressures and competitiveness of agency culture and Companies and so forth we can support each other. So it's always been clear to me that there is a rising issue with specifically people's mental health and varying degrees of people losing confidence to the more clinical aspects of mental health. It's always been clear. That's that's that's an issue. And we wanted to do something about that. We carried our survey initially last year to get a sense of it and lots of strategic community and we're really quite taken aback about how prevalent problem that we sort of anecdotally thought it would be. A problem was and then we held an event. We're very careful that we are not positioning ourselves as any kind of an organization trying to present problems to clinical their solutions to clinical problems. We wanted to start with a conversation in a informal environment to are the topic with people who who are interested and we had a great response in a great turnout. We had three people talking Paul Phillips who is a cat man is where it's all at different parts of the world. Talk to brilliantly about how the brain structure that the prefrontal cortex the limbic system and the relationship between the two and how we as planners obviously are the prefrontal cortex has an aspect of our brain that really developed a conscious thought but it's the limbic system which fires off all those wonderful hormones and neurotransmitters which result in a more evolutionary side of other part of our brain about flights and fear that we all know. So well that kicks in and he explained brilliantly about the nature of understanding when you're live Epic system is firing. And when we all wake up at 4 a.m. There's a reason why we have nervous and anxious thoughts and that's because our prefrontal cortex is fast asleep and our limbic system is firing, you know, how you can recognize that and understand that and understand the brain traps are the the way that plays and that really gave us a sense that you know, thinking can get us into as a group of planners who are addicted to thinking to solve problems that addiction to thinking of we turn on our can turn on ourselves and cause ourselves problems, but yet we can use that same application of thought to the two out. Overall brain and think differently and recognize when you're behaving in certain ways. And so recognize what's absorbs heat up brilliantly about that. We had another speaker called Richard do spoke about his experience as a City lawyer who had everything going for him family work success and his experience one day. We're all fell apart and he had a breakdown. He's written a brilliant book about his experience and how that seemingly he never had. Put himself to that person over five or so years, it builds up and builds up until one day. He got out of his car south of Paris with his family in the car and walked across three lanes of traffic until someone stopped and asked him what he was doing and he spoke brilliantly about the recognition that we all must have about. This is not an issue that is abnormal in strong good people who suffer from breakdown and depression and how it can creep up creep up and at one moment seemingly insignificant think and as he says make your bucket overflow and To recognize that so he took brilliantly about techniques for how you can make your bucket of resilience bigger how you can take things out of it recognize what you're putting into it as an analogy for dealing with mental health and he's now part of an organization which is trying to create better cultures and then cat Wiles is the head of strategy at vcp spoke incredibly honestly truthfully intimately to the crew about her personal experience, which was quite extraordinary. Actually. She's And she said I was very touching and I won't go into it. I'm here. But but but she was a pains to point out. She read brilliantly from a book which says, you know, the people that suffer from bouts of depression and and mental illness are by their very nature people with strength the generosity take more upon their shoulders and others who seek to help others more than themselves who can be relied upon who are turned to and in so doing inevitably take too much on and ask themselves. Do too much and it's in that behavior that that brings the problems with it. So it is an issue of strength not weakness. She taught brilliantly and eloquently and it was really the response has been fantastic and for us it's the very start we now can see the level of response we've had we wanted to be a start of many more conversations and initiatives and how we as a committee in a group of strategist can take responsibility for workplace conduct culture hold ourselves to account as a as a crew the senior strategist to try and not only helped create the coping mechanisms for people in situations like that, but more importantly create cultures, which don't you know, don't allow that to be necessary. I think that's the only yeah, it's almost 25 years into my superpower which is feeling sadness and Melancholy very easily and there are various reasons about from growing up and all sorts of things and I so I follow this place quite a lot but the trite sentence or the trite real Relation that it's not just me is incredibly powerful because often in our small lives. We think it is just us and sometimes we live with people we go up with people who make it out to be to be unusual because we feel like that and they say things like well, I've never felt like that which means that you're broken and I think that whole idea of being broken in this is not useful as opposed to trying to find the strength in what you're feeling and knowing that you're not alone and also knowing that it can be very very complicated and down to a very specific individual. Also, it's good to hear that. The APG is doing that kind of stuff Johnny. Give us a really quick update on what the APG is up to so so yeah, there's absolutely knows and loads going on. There's sort of a few key pillars for the APG does firstly, you know, huge amount of training where massive resource for training and we are trying to make it as affordable and accessible for strategy at all levels to access training from brilliant thought leaders and And Senior strategist from London with mostly it's mostly delivered through through through the London UK. So apologies people in the States, but we try and film as much as the stuff we do. So if you want to be a member and access but we are looking to think about how we expand out. So huge amount of training programs and the theme for training this year that we really getting into it putting the people back into planning. So how we can help the Strategic Community fall in love once again with with people through empathy and understanding of culture of behavior of And so forth so there's going to be a series of events going on this year and as a huge wealth of training workshops and an area of expertise in other areas in around inspiration. So noisy thinking is a big it's a big thing. We do and themes that help people get tackled the barriers facing them getting to better and more creative work. But the big bit this year is out every two years. We have the creative strategy Awards. So the creative strategy Awards have been running for 25 years now every two years and is a celebration of recognition of the best creative. Thinking strategy of work on the planet. So what's the IP a brilliantly gives you the story of the effectiveness and the journey. This is there. This is the creative strategy of How It's been made Brilliance essays written and presentations given and Jim Carroll is chairing the chairing the final round judges, which will be phenomenal @ Viki Holgate is showing short list is and nobody there's a theme every year every two years old last couple years ago with transformation can be used for that was influence. But this year Sarah and I sat down and we thought there is no better theme than In the right now with everything going on in the value that needs to be placed on pure creativity of thought so we strip for the 25th year Stripped Away. The theme is just a PG create a strategy Awards in its Purity allowing people to bring whatever form and agenda they feel is most powerful to their papers. So that's open. Now. The deadline is already the fourth of April. So if you're interested, it's a chance to get your paper read by the leading strategist London around the world, and we would love people to get involved. Listen to anyone who's knew or not even knew to a career. I think just spending a lot of time with those case to case studies and papers and and not just reading them. But analyzing them less taking notes and looking creating your own typology. Like what are people saying how they're doing it? There's definitely a sub-genre of writing in some of these countries, which is kind of funny. Your ass isn't lyricism is vickicooper strategy awards are key to being a strategist. First the articulation and the story at the heart of our strategy and then the second part if you're lucky enough to make it through the ability to stand up to present to respond to questions to persuade to argue. So it's really kind of one of it one of a kind and it's great to be a night you say if there's one thing you can do out there as a strategist. If you are as you say mark on your own in an organization trying to further your discipline get onto the APG. There's a thing called the think tank where we've made every paper to over 200 papers available. Abel you need to be able to access it as a member or if you can get on to walk and under walk and every day just read one of those papers. It's got every story from Dove try something new today from Sainsbury's from you know from Honda hate something it's got iconic brilliant stories of strategic awesomeness. And if there's a pep up read in the morning, that's sure as hell. It's one of those awesome awesome. Alright, well, we did jump through a lot of topics, but I think most of them can really come back to culture and helping people understand the beliefs and the behaviors that drive. Of good planning, you know and I think even just talking about mental health. There's a behavior in there that comes from a belief that not not expecting people to turn themselves off at work or not. Creating duress through work is something that a planning leader needs to be aware of and if they're not, you know, go somewhere else. I'm joking Matt where you most active on the internet, I guess probably Twitter. I've got a bit of a love-hate relationship with Twitter. I sort of go for it and then I step back because of all the sort of fierce debate and come. It has been Twitter and that too at matter is where it is where I'm at. Probably probably best to catch me. You can always find a happy place on Twitter man. Thank you so much for joining us today on sweat head.

Matt Tanter is the Chief Strategy Officer at Grey London and the Chair of the Account Planning Group (APG). As far as planning credentials go, CSO + Grey + London + Chair of APG = legit. He's a leader who's interested in culture over process and I thought I'd talk to him about this focus to help companies trying to bring in planning understand that you can't just drop in a planner and have planning. Planning happens within an operating system - a city, an agency type, an agency, the philosophy of the agency, the processes of the agency, and the attitudes of managers. We discuss: - Establishing a good culture of planning - The pressures on planners right now - Managing up - Mental health in planning' - The APG and its creative planning awards Shoutouts to all the lone planners or people trying to establish planning where it has never existed. You can find Matt here https://twitter.com/matttanter and the APG here https://www.apg.org.uk/   For more strategy talk: 1. Strategy drawings: http://www.instagram.com/markpollard  3. Strategy Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/markpollard 4.

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I'm Austin and I'm BJ, you're just trying to introduce yourself like differently and every episode right? Is that what's happening? Everyone's confront. I sent you off balance. Hi. Yeah, that's what I thought. So today we're discussing the Dragon Quest Heroes games specifically Dragon Quest Heroes one. And to which owes to the non-existent Dragon Quest Heroes 3. Well, I'm talking about Dragon Quest Heroes Rockets line with that's true. Okay. Oh, yeah, um, but then Kristi rows one and two, you know, they originally came out on the PS4 now they're available on switch. But only in Japan right now. Do you play on North American switches, but they don't have English translation knowing like for some reason they don't even have English subtitles on they're even though the subtitles exist. So, okay. So when we go back and edit this we just need to have like a sad trombone playing the whole time we're talking about right now. We're just like, whoa. So anyway, so let's just jump right in here. The Dragon Quest Heroes games. If you've never played them they are different from the mainline Dragon Quest gains. They basically kind of function through their story. They allow heroes from other Main Line series Dragon Quest games to come. Into this world so you can battle with them and play as the which is a really cool mechanic. It's really, you know, it's an action RPG. It's kind of how I sell it to people a lot of times because to me I know when I was trying to sell it to you even I think I said it was like a you know, it's a more like because you were like, oh, it's like Dynasty Warriors. I don't like Dynasty were yeah. It's a with it being a mousou game or however you pronounce. Ounce it like I'm not big on those. And so when you were saying that it doesn't quite play like a traditional musou game. I was way more interested in getting into it because it's it's not just you know hundreds and thousands of enemies even though they have them it does it does feel more more like a typical action RPG just eat easier enemies instead of just having a few harder enemies. Right, right. Yeah, I think I explained it to you when I was telling you about it all those years ago that it kind of plays almost like more like Kingdom Hearts the Dynasty Warriors where where and you know, I'm part of that. Maybe you get that airship in the first one you get the town in the second one and all of those kind of things. So they're just feels like there's more to do as opposed to like some of the games like what's the Zelda one that came out for switch Hyrule Warriors I roll Warriors, yeah, they kind of did the same thing with that when they brought in characters like the roster was from other Zelda games kind of like the drink and I feel like you know Hyrule Warriors it was like to me it's the same kind of problem. I think you have with Dynasty Warriors is that like I'm bounced off of it pretty quickly because it just it felt way more repetitive. Yeah. That's my big problem with these games is that not that they're not good because they're they're generally very high quality. The games but as a genre I get really bored at the repetition that that typical game Loop for them doesn't have enough Nuance in it for me at least to be able to to sit for hours on end for long periods of time and actually play it. Yeah, and I think that was did you play Hyrule Warriors? I've played a bit of it. It was one of those that I played at a friend's house and then decided not to buy because of it because by the time I finished one level I was like, yeah, I don't I don't don't think I'll ever finish this. Yeah that the same thing happened to me. I played it at some family's house and they it was fun while I was playing it, but I was like, I'm not going to buy this game now having played it. It just was it I could tell that I was going to get really tired of it. And so with that being said, if you have never played, you know, Dragon Quest Heroes one or two, they're very inexpensive. Now, you can buy these like the physical copies on PS4 for like 12 bucks. Most of the time people and their great games. It's well worth $12 and it's well worth like 30 or $40 I think but yeah, but if so, if you don't like Dynasty Warriors type games like that then you know, I would say give it a try because I feel like there's more. Well number one. I feel like with Dragon Quest Heroes is their their story and I felt like Especially the first Dragon Quest Heroes game. I felt like had a pretty decent story. You know, I mean the bad guy is fairly like run-of-the-mill generic the the four original characters that you get because each one has their own little original characters. You can play as as well the original characters, you know, I liked all of them. And the story was cool. I liked the you know, I liked everything generally that happened in one and I guess I guess before we continue with this episode. I should mention Dragon Quest Heroes one was the first Dragon Quest game. I played in beat 2016. Okay. So with that like it was the first one you played in beat wasn't the first one that you had played like just out of any I'm like set hands on did you play any before that or is this the one that first grabbed you Kept it. So so I may be I think I might have mentioned this on and in an earlier episode, but I had a friend who had Dragon Quest 8, he was the next door neighbor and I remember watching him play part of Dragon Quest 8. Okay on there because and the reason I remember this is because for the longest time I thought Dragon Quest 8 Was all about Pirates was like a pirate scheme pirate because he came over to my house. He would his name was Wade, and he came over all the time. He's the guy that got me into RPGs and he came over one day and he had he had Dragon Quest hate and he I now that I've played Dragon Quest 8 on the 3DS. I know exactly what part he was at. It's the part very early in it where you are. I don't even think Jessica is in your Yeah, I think you're about to I think she's a character there, but she's not technically in your party yet. Yeah, and you know, you're trying to get a boat you're like on a port town then you get a bow and you're like attacked by the calamari the giant squid and then you end up in another Port town and so between between the protagonist having like the bandana and kind of sort of pirate clothes and Jessica kind of looks like a pirate girl and yang guess looks kind of Like a tough Viking dude, and so me being a lot younger and only seeing that like hour or so of the game. Yeah. I thought that Dragon Quest 8 was that you were pirates. So that was like the story. I've always for the longest time. I've always really Associated Dragon Quest 8 with row Galaxy because they were both games that came out kind of towards the end of the PS2 and they were both done by level-5 and They feel very similar and but Galaxy your Pirates and space and I thought Dragon Quest 8 was your just Pirates like, you know, in a pirate medieval type world. I am totally understand not necessarily being terribly interested in that because I tend to bounce off of pirate stories very easily like I bounced off of Final Fantasy V the first time whenever Ferris and the the ghost ships and everything were a big part early on I hated it like I hate that part of it. I still hate that part of it. And so it's interesting that that you did the same thing with eight and I've always I see and I like pirate stuff like Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda game. I love I mean, I love boats. So, you know Boat Ocean pirates that kind of stuff. I look like the ghost ship in Legend of Dragoon, which is probably the first RPG I ever beat that's like one of my favorite parts of Legend of Dragoon is the Ghost Ship and everything. I love that and like the in like me no Kuni. And anyway, I just I like that stuff. But so Dragon Quest 8, the thing about drunk restate though is I can't remember if I played it or if I just watched him play it like I remember thinking it was Pirates and I have all these memories there. But like I don't remember because you know, when we were growing up and stuff, it's like sometimes you know, he would just bring a game over and he would play at the whole time. But me and my brother Michael we're just sitting there like watching him for like hours play this game and we're never actually playing it right and so I And so so that was not abnormal, right? I just don't so I really can't say give you a clear yes or no there because I have memories of eight but I don't know if I like technically played it. I mean I definitely didn't own it or anything. And then I also I had one of my younger cousins had nine on the DS Dragon Quest 9 that I watched I didn't own it. I feel like everybody who's like around the age of like 18. Like 20 to play Dragon Quest 9 on the DS like I know so many people who are like a round in that age that seem to play Dragon Quest 9, and I just I really have no memories of it. Yeah. I don't remember it at all. But you and I have talked about that generation of DS games kind of passing Us by and that we're now going back to them. It makes sense that we wouldn't have played it right? I think nine even came out. I think I was even in college by the time it came out there was Just one of those games that you know, totally just like flew under the radar for me. I like I remember one of my cousin's having it. And then I remember the Seth Green commercial that used to play on Comedy Central all the time. Do you remember that? No. Yeah. What isn't it Seth Green? I don't know. I've never seen it. I hold on so I'm gonna google this really quickly because I'm fairly certain Seth Green did a Dragon Quest 9 commercial. Let's say yeah, it's Seth Green. I feel like most people probably seen this already. As 9 I think is like a I think a lot of people have played nine. But anyway, but yeah Seth Green he did this commercial and it was around the time that like I want to say it was right after it's been Family Guy was probably like at the peak of its popularity rib gotten so popular again that like brought it back to Fox and all this stuff is like not long after that. Yeah, Seth Green did this commercial and it used to play. I remember seeing it a lot on Comedy Central when I was watching like The Colbert Report and The Daily Show and stuff. Yeah, yeah Seth Green commercial. So there's a fun fact for you fun Dragon Quest pack with Austin straight for like 2009 or whatever. It was. So the original question though Dragon Quest Heroes one was definitely the first game I'd beat even if it wasn't the first one I played it's the first one I beat and it's the 1 2016 they got me into Dragon Quest. That makes sense. Like I'm glad that it did and I hate that. I actually never played through Heroes one because as I've played more of Heroes 2 like it seems like it's a it seems like it is an objectively better game in terms of systems. But I think that Dragon Quest Heroes one may be more along the kind of game that I want it to be because I don't think that I necessarily want to play this game and invest myself in all of the complex systems. I feel like I want to get more not have the RPG elements of it as much in it like to has I want to be able to go out kill the stuff experience the story see the fun characters and kill these monsters that I love killing and not worry so much about upgrading equipment and crafting and all of that kind of stuff and and drank West one like my thing was very cross winner over here. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Thank you it has It has all that stuff but it's like it's in an Airship and it's all like fairly close together. You just walk between like the same like four or five booths there in like your Airship whereas to has a town and you have to use a little square, you know that you can go to shops, but then there's like other buildings you have to walk into there's like other parts of the map you have to walk over into and just seems like a lot of like more unnecessary running around and I know and to me I much preferred. The Airship but yeah, I totally agree with you there. It's like to has like some nice like they have like the online stuff and just some quality of life. I like upgrades from one. Yeah, but to me Dragon Quest Heroes one is just as this Superior game and maybe it's because it's the game that got me into this series, but I have and I have a lot do have a lot of like fun memories with it. But it's the one that just you know, and I enjoyed to but I think the whole time I was playing it, you know, I kept telling you like yeah. Still think I like one better even though I totally agree with you objectively. I think two is the better game, but for some reason one just I like it better and the the town in two. I just not a huge fan of like I like the gameplay and everything but the town itself. I don't know that that I think I'm spoiled by some other games that there aren't enough in PCS running around that this one feels to open and lifeless where if it were a little more compact. Fact I might like it better and I think I think it might be just you were spoiled from like because I think when you play Dragon Quest Heroes to it was like right after birth in a Blade Chronicles to write pretty close. Yeah. It's when I started it I think maybe and it was like right after you played Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Dragon Quest 8. So so I think you maybe got spoiled from like the Xenoblade games and Dragon Quest games all have really good towns and really good NPC's I feel like yeah, and I've also Gone back and played at while I've been playing Persona 5 and that will like spoil anybody on who is interested in like socialization and NPCs and stuff feeling alive because it just it's just populated. And so I probably like you said just spoiled. Yeah, and I totally agree with you there. I even had the post that on Dragon Quest austin.com that did last week was about how Dragon Quest has like the best NPCs in any game And how their the Dragon Quest games are the only games that I actually go around and talk to all the NPC's even if I don't have to because they usually have something fun to say or some like kind of like funny thing. You're like a story or something. And so anytime I come to a new town and Dragon Quest games always run around and want to talk to everybody and the Dragon Quest games are like seriously the only games that I play where like, I don't just like because of some RPGs. It's like I just run through because the NPC don't want to say anything. Yeah, and it's like and I could totally see that because in Heroes 2 they have this town but compared to the mainline Dragon Quest games. It does. It feels very empty. It's like there's there's two buildings you can go into there's the shop owners you can talk with and then there's just like a few kind of like MPC models that you've seen other places, but they don't necessarily talk to you and even the ones that talk to you sometimes like up. Sorry. I don't have any quest for you. A will sometime and you just bounce off of is like I don't have anything else to say but I don't have any class. Yeah, good impression, by the way. Yep. That's that's what they sound like. And so which by the way, I think the that's not the question. I can tell what voice you're doing and it's not the quest Giver. It's the online dungeon. Oh, okay it is he who talks like that? But good impression. I totally knew who you were talking about. That's who it is. It's the little girl. I live to beat your plan. Heads. Yeah, isn't that it? No, it's the person next to him that changes your costumes. That's what it is. The person for the dungeon is actually like the is actually a human but it's the person next to him the little Flames that little flame guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's like the copycat playing. Yeah. Yeah. He he change your costume for you and he talks like that and to yeah, so but yeah, I totally agree with you there and I do prefer the Airship for dq1. I also I also I really like the heroes and Dragon Quest Heroes one like the I like the original characters better. Yeah, and heroes one then he rose to and I also like the characters that you get because in Heroes to the characters are fine. You basically get everybody from Dragon Quest for yeah. Hey and then you get you know, Angelo and Jessica from eight you get nobody from five. Which is maybe why I don't like Heroes to as well. I think those are heroes one though right there in Heroes one here is to also gives you a rough and Maribel and I do seven is my least favorite Dragon Quest game. But also I hate Maribel like Maribel is the I don't hate many things and Dragon Quest games, but I hate Maribel. I got a actively hate Maribel can't stand her Maribel is terribly annoying and heroes, too. And I remember asking you at some point like when I started seven and first got Maribel and my party I was like is she is bad and seven all the way through as she is and he rose to and you destroyed me because you said yes. Yeah. She I mean she's a worse and I think that's the thing is that I don't really like many of the characters and seven and so it has a rough and Maribel and heroes to instead of Heroes one has Bianca and neera from five, right and and I love playing Bianca and year and five. I kept them in my main party throughout all of Heroes one. Bianca is like I know I said this last week but Bianca's like my favorite Dragon Quest character and I played us her a ton and heroes because she had she had the bow and so especially when you're farming like kills and like drops and stuff her like, you know her moves with the bow, they're like rain of pain and things like that. Just totally you can just wipe out its so many enemies and I really I really Mr. And he rose to so much that I turned I play this Teresa and he rose to because I couldn't stand the other do lazarul or whether it's awful. I don't remember his name, but I like Teresa so much better and I can't remove the dude out of my party because I decided to go with him because I went with whoever the heroine is in Heroes one and I decided to mix it up because I was kind of going with both of them at that time and I made a mistake because he's terrible and I hate him but I don't want to restart the game. So anyway, I played as Teresa and you okay? Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine. So I played I played is Theresa and I'm Miss Bianca so much that changed my vocation to Thief so that could use a bow. Oh wow used her at and you know, basically played through all of Heroes 2 with a bow because I love doing that Heroes one. And you do Angelo is kind of like the bow user. Yeah, okay, and he rose to you just don't get him until like fairly late in the story. And and you know, I don't like Angelo nearly as much as I liked Bianca. But so with Teresa I just went ahead and got a bow for Heroes to play that so maybe that's why I didn't I like quiroz one better as well as just because I like the characters in it because the characters the two main characters and heroes one. I think their names are like lucious and Aurora, right and he rose to and heroes one and here's two and three San Lazaro. I don't remember in one think I'm going to try to lift it up really quickly. I'm pretty sure it's lucious and Aurora. Yeah. So so and I played as the guy please Lucius and in one and liked it fine because I didn't really like the character Mama for Aurora. I like the character model for Teresa. So I've picked Teresa. Yeah, and she has a great great character model and a lot of times in Dragon Quest games. There's an option to play as female I play as them and I don't know. I think it's one reason is because a lot of times when they do the female models, they just look better like the the yeah, like, you know, just the styles that they use for them. I feel like look more unique than a lot of the guy ones. That was one of the things I liked about Dragon Quest 9. Is that even though you whoever you choose as your main character, you're obviously going to see them the most right? But because you create your own characters you actually go Oh through the character creation you go through the character creation menus and system and process with any of the other characters you create so you you go through the same thing that you do with your main character, you get hair color hair styled male-female all this so I was able to make all of my characters look exactly like I wanted them to and it so I didn't have to worry about like, oh, I'm not going to see the one that I really wish I had chosen. So my entire party was just that's one of these I loved When so much is my entire party was customized to me, which is the same thing, which is the same way with Dragon Quest three where you can yeah, I mean just more it something more elaborate obviously, but yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah and I always try to I usually the other reason I pick female Heroes to is because they don't give you the option very much in Dragon Quest games. So when they come up like in like in for like I play Dragon Quest for as as a lady because I'd play through like Like you know for 5 Dragon Quest games at that point and that was always a dude and I've picked the the lady on for as well. And while we're talking about good character molds though. The the lady on for is the only one that I feel like the female mold is weaker than the male like usually usually the guy doesn't look as cool as the girl the end for I really hate the look of the girl in for like her hair. I don't like her like one-piece swimsuit true. It like I get it. It's like a fantasy game from the 90s. So that's kind of like the thing to wear. I don't know. I just like it just doesn't look very cool. Like I think the guy does look better for for I gotcha. Anyway, so drag Quest Heroes to going back to some good things with your stew is they do let you have the run through the Dungeons and the online features that are there are cool and you can go online and those with friends and you can party up with randos on the internet, too. Yeah, which is which is cool randos on the internet. I like that. I'd be heroes one first, you know, I I bought it just you know soon as it came out and then I played to as soon as it came out, but then some game came out around the same time that I'd like pre-ordered day one and I got distracted. So I actually didn't beat Heroes to until about six months ago may have been 11 that you got distracted by know. I wasn't 11 it was It was either Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or Nino Cooney to because I gave him are you sure because I remember you playing through Heroes to while I was and that was earlier this year. Yeah, it was so that's not what so I bought here us to played it a little bit got distracted. I played it with you so we could do the online features and then didn't beat it again because ninokuni to came out of those. Okay, I got you. Yeah, and so And then I finally got around to playing it and beating it this last time and almost platinum in it almost. Yeah, and so yeah, I tried to platinum both of them. I know in a previous episode we talked about how we love the arbitrary platinum trophy system. Like we're addicted to it even though it doesn't mean really mean anything. I tried to platinum Heroes one and two and they've just got some of those trophies. They're just such major time sinks. They are, you know with Dragon Quest 11 at Platinum debt, but you don't have two hundred percent the game to play. Denim Dragon Quest 11, right I did because once I Platinum to I still wanted to play it because I loved 11 so much and I don't look I don't love heroes one or Heroes to enough as much as 11 to spend another 30 hours basically farming for like two or three drops. Yeah with the random element of it. There's not really any that does not sound fun. And so I got really close especially in with Heroes to there's some hard to kill postgame monsters. We're like you kind of have to grind up some levels to take them down efficiently and then there's Drops, you have to get that are rare drops from these. It's like a monster that only appears one of them appears in one's own. They take like a long time to take down and then there's like the rare drop is this and so it's like I just didn't there are other things I wanted to do with my time is why it basically boiled down to and so I never did that with two with one you have borrowed one from me and then and given it back recently. And so I plan on going back with one and trying to finish up some Some trophies on there, you know because I really liked Heroes one and I want to kind of revisit it. So so my question for you though is because I played both of them after you do the non-story stuff. Like when you're playing in dungeons or playing another things in Heroes 2 so I can go and play as the heroes from the first one. Okay. It's like they all they all show up as characters and they level up like you give them skill points and do all this stuff as you go through the game. You just can't actually select them when you're like trying to play through story stuff. But they still level up with you. I was wondering is it because I have a save file from beating the first one or two you you don't have access to that on your I don't think I have access to that on mine. I haven't seen them at all. If it is then I have not noticed it in any of the character stuff that I have that I've seen at all I felt like it was probably because I had beaten the first one because even one of the characters that you get from Heroes like you don't get until a after you beat the game, right? So I thought maybe so the fact that all of them were there already at the beginning of Heroes 2 made me think it was just because I had a safe file from one already. Yeah, which was really disappointing to me to go back to the whole Bianca thing because I wanted to play with her instantly and then you can't and he rose to you. Can when you're doing like the extra side stuff, but just not in the story which is why I was very glad that you unlock the vocations because to has the patience and the vocation system into isn't as a Whereas it is in like nine or seven, no, not at all. But but in Heroes 2, it's got a pretty nice one. And I liked that you could do the hybrid stuff. Like, you know, you get up the Mage and the priest and then you can you unlock sage and stuff like that. So I like if they had a few of those hybrids in Heroes too. Yeah, it made things interesting. I just didn't necessarily, you know, spend a lot of time on all of those. I keep trying the bow on it, but it's not necessarily my playstyle. I like playing asses are or Desdemona the two original characters and heroes to because they're like great weapon wielders one. That's a great sword and one hasn't giant Axe and I just love them like those are definitely more my playstyle and the Mage to I like actually being the the major Wizard or whatever. It's called because of I like being able to stand back and just blow stuff up with it. It's fun and that's why that's actually why I liked Bianca Nira and the first Is because Bianca she's got the bow so she can stand back Raina pain things like that frizz. Yeah and just you know, take out so many monsters from really far away and neera she has a lot of those moves that are that your time up that the Mage has in Heroes too. Yeah, you know near I could run around doing that. She could also heal my party. So I had I had a Healer and then but near I also had some good like major attacks. And then anytime I needed to you know combat up close. I would just switch back over to the the hero Lucius and Clay is him which is really nice. That's something we haven't mentioned is that you can switch between characters and battle just by pressing like L to you just pop to a different character in the in the queue and just take over so if I guarantee need to heal, I just switch over to torna co and heal myself, which he's the first character you get in Heroes 2 and it was my introduction to him and I love him. He is hilarious. I mean, yeah, I love toward a CO2. I didn't I don't like playing as him before but I love Character and for and I love him. I love him and he rose to as well just because you know, he's a goofy guy. I like him. I love when he says J pers. Yeah. Yeah, especially in Heroes 2 because it's voice acted. So it's like a Jeepers. So so, you know, I really like that kind of stuff. So you said I know at the beginning I said, I mentioned Dragon Quest Heroes Rocket Slime, which I noticed on your notes Here say why does rockets lab so you hadn't heard of it like I've heard of it but I mean like what is it? Like how does it tie in with the Heroes series? Like I haven't looked up like game play or story or anything. I've only ever just seen images of it because it has been just off of my radar that it was with the side games and stuff. I've actually more invested in learning about monster than I have Rocket Slime. Yeah, and that's kind of that's kind of where I've been like I rock it slime. It's on my list. It's for DS rights just for their original DS and it's on my This but I'm kind of the same way. Like I've been like I have the first Monsters Joker game that I wanted to dig into pretty soon. You know, we're going to get the switch version of Builders to and then 11 pretty soon. So now I'm going to be playing those games when they come out. I mean we're getting Builders to and like why about a week and a half couple of weeks from recording this. Yeah by the time people listen to it. It might be this week. So I've just had other games but rocket sign it's listed. It's a Dragon Quest Heroes gate. It's just it's different from the heroes one and two games like we've been talking about so with Rocket Slide, you play as a slime and the this is the part that makes me want to play it is that the protagonist is a slime and you're playing you know with there's like a slime Kingdom and all this other stuff. So you're getting to see like cities with slides which is you know, it's really cool. Especially I thought you would love it because you love her blue slime so much. Oh, yeah. I love them your voice is going out. I think I'm losing my voice as we're talking. Stop this dude. Like yeah, like it's weird. It's like happening in real time. So I try to do most of the talking now, but anyway, so because their slimes are blue slimes, they don't have very good like defense or offense you basically drive around and by tanks and stuff and like cannons and things like that and you're like blasting through enemies taking out hordes of enemies in your little tanks. That sounds pretty cool. It's like Heroes and that you're kind of taking out hordes of enemies and things like that, but it's Very different almost completely different from Heroes one and two like we've been talking about I know Heroes one had had like the subtitle. It was like called the world trees. Whoa and the blight below and then to got a subtitle I guess in Japan and some people started using it before it came out over here just as like the translation, you know, something about like the Twins and the prophecy and all women Kings and the something prophecy maybe yeah anyway, and then But when it actually came over here to the state's like it doesn't have a subtitle on it's just Dragon Quest Heroes to which I thought was weird that they decided to drop it like that, especially since all the rest of them have it. Yeah, which is it. Really Dragon Quest games in general. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I just thought that was kind of like an odd thing to bring up right here. So your voice is going out so I don't want to get I don't like keep this going to much longer. I'm sure we can do follow-up episodes on Dragon Quest Heroes. Well, and one thing that I wanted to ask Ask about the heroes one characters is like the original characters because I like cesare and Desdemona. Like I said, yeah, how did the heroes one characters like come the original characters compared to to I like them. I like them much better. Did you like The Originals better as well? I like the original characters for one. Well, I take that back. I really liked Theresa. Like I like Teresa a lot. Maybe maybe better than any of the originals from the first one but if you're going for Like quantity, I guess I like more of the originals from the first one then I like of the like from the second one because the second one, you know Lazzaro. I just I don't like him at all. He was super annoying to me. Yeah, he's the worst and I really like the the king to see original character and heroes one. I cannot think of his name right now. Is it Doric? I know who you mean though. I think it's Dorothy is his name and so Doric He's the king there and then there's also the original character. Her name is Lila. I don't think I got to her. She learned she lives in like a little steampunk look in town in the first one. She's like an engineer so she makes stuff and she has a boomerang is like kind of her weapon of choice. I didn't like I love very much and heroes one. She's kind of the week one for Heroes one for me. Like I like Desdemona fine. I don't really like cesare very much, but I like playing a cesare. I really like his character model. It's kind of one of Things were like my thing with the heroes too. Is that a lot of the personalities of the original characters? I don't like very much but I like playing as them because with Heroes one. I basically just played as characters from other Dragon Quest games. I began I kept my one hero, but then I played as the others and with Heroes to like I played with Teresa and cesare pretty much the whole game. And then I think I've played Heroes to mostly here alive my healer and then Elena as the other fighter. Yeah, okay. Okay, so, you know that's kind of hard to say in terms of I liked more of the original characters and heroes one but the character I like the best is Theresa and heroes too. Okay, and she is awesome. So I get that so your voice sounds so bad. Did you just start like smoking in the middle of the I don't know what happened? It sounds so funny is you sound so hilarious right now this me not doing a voice you guys so it sounds like you smoke but also like sucked on a helium balloon. I'll occasionally lose my voice like this. And it's going to be out by tonight. So we'll have to do some follow-up episode with Heroes later on but I think we hit a lot of her major points today. Feel free, you know, tell us about your favorite Heroes characters or you know, I feel like lazzara we did not so if you did, you know, let us know let us know why we're interested in knowing that kind of stuff. You can talk to us on Twitter at Dragon Quest FM and you can leave us voice messages. 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Support DQFM on Patreon at patreon.com/dragonquestfm In this week’s episode of DQFM, we discuss Dragon Quest Heroes 1 & 2, originally released on the PS4. We discuss the difference in play styles, NPCs, and even towns from the mainline series. (Airship vs Courtyard. We all know which one is cooler, right?) Which Heroes game is better? Austin has fond memories of the first one and thinks it’s the best. B.J. agrees, but thinks DQH2 still has a lot of good things to offer. We also do a character comparison between the two games, discussing the Heroes brought in from mainline DQ games as well as the original Heroes that are created for the DQH games to give them their own flavor. We go off on a few random tangents (of course), where we talk about Dragon Quest VIII, and that Seth Green commercial for Dragon Quest IX from, like, ten years ago? Austin remembers it fondly (or at least he remembers it), but B.J. is completely ignorant of it. We're sure it's on the internet somewhere. We briefly discuss Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime, but B.J. starts losing his voice. A lot. And fast. In this episode, you can listen to it all in real time. Hear him go from sounding like a normal (as normal as he gets, anyway) person to sounding like a weird, chain-smoking cartoon character. He sounds like a cartoon character pretty often, but this is a whole new level. You have to listen to see this. You'll love it. We are a proud part of the Geek to Geek Media Network. And if you want even more DQ awesomeness from Austin, you can read his weekly blog at DragonQuestAustin.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Who made this mess? Okay, who made this mess on my desk? All right. Oh, okay. All right. It was me. It was me. That's true. That's true. Hi everybody. This is Pam at the paper Outpost and I am sitting here at my very messy desk, and I was just wondering if you could relate to the messy desk situation and I have just finished a pile of crafting it.A lot of fun. I was making embellishments for my junk journals and recording some videos and this and that and I am faced with the reality of the evil of my ways because there is stuff everywhere. I've got scissors. I've got rulers. I've got jelly pens. I've got everything all over the place and I thought I would talk with you about the State of Affairs when a crafter has a messy desk and is it a good thing? Is it not a good thing? Is it showing that there's activity in life of the desk or is it just a lazy crafter who doesn't put away their stuff and that could be that could be both cases actually, but as I'm cleaning up here just like to talk about the desk or the space that you actually chose as your special place to work and we all pick something you got to have a surface to work on. It makes it much easier if you have a surface. And there's so many little nuances about the desk. I know with me when I start to craft even if I start with a perfectly clean desk, I am down to about a foot by foot working space in about 10 minutes. No matter what I do it always seems to end up with that amount of working space. As soon as I start pulling out stuff and I start crafting and I start making the ephemera and the embellishments and everything goes crazy and Creativity is flowing and life feels great and next thing you know, it's it's crazy town and disaster pants here. I've got everything is all over the place. So I am cleaning up and you know, it's kind of part of part and parcel of being a crafter, you know, sometimes the craft desk is not cleaned at all that exists in a lot of Crafters worlds. I can handle it for about 3 days. I have a three-day Bell that goes off where Can't stand working in the small space anymore. And I need to blast everything off my desk go through my clearing Zone clean it all off pull out the you know, the cloth to wipe everything down organize all my little ink pads all over in one little pile. So I know where they are. And actually I should put a lot of I don't need to have 75 out on the desk. Why do I do that? I'm trying to get into my ink drawer and used. Different colors, so I'm breaking away from my classic brown green pink blue choices and trying some different colors. So I'm putting those away and you're welcome to come on and clean up with me here. If you'd like, you know, maybe we can just spend a little time cleaning. I think it's it's a good thing for the mind to set a clear healthy space for oneself, but this is not mandatory of course and this is there's nothing wrong with that well, Of dwell rummaged desk that has crafting Joy all over it. I totally get that and respect that and there's I honor that and that for people's choices. I don't feel like a craft room has to be spotless all the time. You know, I would say that as long as you don't kill yourself walking across the floor by jumping hurdles over giant piles of scraps or Fabric or and I have done all of this. So I am I am definitely guilty. LT then it's a good thing if it becomes a work Hazard where you are taking your life in your own hands just because you haven't quite gotten around to Tiding up yet. Then maybe just maybe it's time to con Mari or space. That's right pull out the old Marie kondo book and clean up Sally and make your life a lot easier just so you can you can actually see things that you forgot. You pulled out on your desk and I misplace things. All the time as you will well no and well agree that when I am making stuff. I can't find my Basics my scissors my glue my ruler where to go where to go where to go. I live in the land of where'd it go? And I know that there's tips and tricks around that and I'm doing my best to a apply them but I don't always I'm I don't always follow the rules and I don't always put my glue back at 3 o'clock and my scissors at 6:00. Clock like I plan to and I think it's such a great idea. My brain would only adhere to it but I get caught up in the joy of crafting and everything goes out of the window and then I am here with my messy desk. So sometimes life feels good on the messy desk. Sometimes you get to see things put together in a way because they landed that way on your desk and your become completely inspired by messy desk and it also keeps your items. Very close. You don't have to do all that reaching and and and everything is right there at your fingertips, which is also Nice, so there are benefits to messy desk, you know, so let's let's hear it - you know hip hip hooray for messy desk I get it and you know, we can we can advance from Messy desk. There's also messy under desk. There's messy over their desk, there's messy, you know table over here. There's messy Bucket over there and messy basket over there and there's just a lot of plain messy going on and but I think that That you know, when you see the messy you also see something that was really lived in you know, somebody really got into it and had a good time there because somebody spent that time to make that spot messy. They went to town and Doug stuff out and routed around and pulled stuff out and but now I am getting to put stuff away. So as I clean my desk here, I thought I'd just have a little chat with you guys and let you know what I'm thinking as I'm cleaning my desk and You can kind of see how long it takes me to clean my desk. I guess it's going to be I honestly don't think it takes more than 15 minutes to clean your desk. You really get serious about it. There's a little text block I book I have gutted the other day that's got to be put away here. Some twine looked wine is out that can be put away. There you go in your little twine happy place. Okay that big clump of stuff. There's a pile of ephemera here that I've been trying to go through my scrap piles. I have four big piles of scraps in different baskets and I randomly grab a different basket and try and pull from that basket soy get some new things new ideas to make things and right now I just got a big pile this little container on my desk and I'm just drawing and I've completely forgotten about so many things that were in there. So I am glad that I did that. I'm sure that others struggle with the scrap issue and You know, there's I almost feel like no matter how much and how much time how much effort I make to use up my scrap pile. It's just never going to happen. I'm never going to get to the bottom of it. There's just so many things that you can make with scraps and but I am going to try I am committed to trying and I think that's that's a good thing. Okay, so we're gonna stick this tile a clump back in the scrap pile all sorts of interesting things in there. I forgot I had All right. There's a little note to self. I keep a little handwritten Note book on my desk for when I get a video idea or get inspired by somebody's comment on a video or I think of a podcast idea or I think of a page layout idea I capture capture capture. I mean that's a that's a help very helpful technique for me and I do it several different ways one is just physically writing it down number two as I log it in my phone I have Notebook app that I grabbed everything with and whenever I think of it, I just pop it in there. As soon as I think of the idea or else is gone and I can't I cannot tell you how many good ideas I've lost because I just didn't capture it. So I definitely use the capture idea and then and then I came up with this. Well, it's not really a new one, but I came up with new way to capture a different way to capture ideas. If your I just started jogging again recently. It's sad. It's very sad. It's very slow. But I I'd start whoops still Yes. Okay. Have a good. Oh, I hit my phone. Okay. I just started jogging again. And I had to I was listening some to some inspirational things as I'm jogging and I'm starting to get ideas of things. I'd like to do in the in the junk Journal World in the crafting world, and and I had no way to stop and write things down. But I used this old thing. I learned many years ago called the memory Peg method and it's this way to help you, you know memorize grocery lists a whole bunch of items is basically you have to remember ten things and then these individual 10 things if you can stick whatever it is with emotion onto that one thing that like Slifer excite cantaloupes and you stick cantaloupes on this one memory Peg and you use like emotion craziness Insanity since you sensationalize it like maybe I picture Easy cantaloupes laughing and giggling or something. I don't know just bring some kind of Oddity to it some weirdness some so something that makes it stick in your head. It's a great way to help you remember lists. I generally do this when I'm grocery shopping is I don't really take a list with me. I just used the memory pegs and there's lots of videos and stuff like that and and information on how you can learn that system. It's a great system and I'm really surprised. We don't teach it to all the kids in school because Would certainly help with basic memorization which seems to bog down so many so many kids in school. So yeah, so that's what I do. I'm jogging and I memory pegging my ideas as I'm jogging no pain needed and so that's how I'm organizing in my mind my idea so that when I sit down at the table, I feel a sense of organization when I'm going to start and that helps I'm going to put away my pens now and also the physical act of organizing the data. Desk, I feel translates into organizing your mind. I feel more organized when I'm organizing my desk. I feel like I'm putting things in place. I feel like things are finding a home in there there. It's a happy home and I feeling good about it. And now I'm very aware very very acutely aware that when I start to craft next it will be a maximum of 10 or 15 minutes and everything will be back to my one Foot by 1 foot space and that will be the amount of space. I have to work with again because as I pull things out and this happens, I'm going to put away some punches now pull out little punches every now and then all right. We're about 95% clear here. Things are looking pretty good. I can actually see some white space on the top of my desk there some cheesecloth. I use the other day tuck that away. Okay, so I am never alone in the garden. There was a really good line from a book. I tore out the other day and I couldn't find it for the life of me because it was buried on my desk and that's the price I pay for having a messy desk. I lose the things I want to grab and but then I end up grabbing something else. So everything generally turns out okay in the end. So here's some little bits and pieces some little doodads. We made the other day. Here's a pin. I used to close my glue with Very handy don't want to get stuck with that. Nope. Here's some sprays and some glimmer. Mist will put all you away in the spray bucket. My little dried leaves over there my water bottle my ever-important water bottle to keep a water bottle close when you're crafting. I highly recommend it. It's very good to stay hydrated while you craft because it's very very easy. I found to get lost in the crafting but the time will just disappear and you won't realize how long it's been since you had a drink and I think if you want to Rejuvenate your creative spark taking a big drink of water is an excellent place to start sometimes that's what you need is just a little free flow and the flow of water can get you flow into now this may cause a few more bathroom trips. And I know that's highly interrupted and frustrating when you're crafting last thing you want to do is jump up and run off to the bathroom. But sometimes that's part of the part of the process and it's necessary, but it's more important to stay hydrated because your brain will work better. And your ideas will flow more easily. So I say go for it drink your water and off to the toilet you go. It's okay and it doesn't matter how many times you go. Just make sure you're getting enough water. So your brains working. Okay, here's some paper punch other one. I can put away don't need that one. And I would say we have pretty much wrapped it up here. So thanks for hanging out with me at the messy desk, which is now the cleaner. Desk, and now I have some Elbow Room here. I can actually make things to the left of me to the right of me in front of me. I've got easy access for everything. I want here and I am I am looking forward to more stuff coming your way of a whole bunch of video ideas coming at you very soon. And I've got some different takes on things coming you'll see them as they come out. Basically I'm going to go through Several of my older journals one was for my husband. I made a specialty theme journal for him and it's on a lost treasure concept and I'm also going to show you a journal I made to honor my grandmother. She I happened to come into a lot of her old papers in her house when she died and she much of it was from when she came over from Europe many years ago and she actually saved all these these little bits of very old papers ephemera from the boat. She came on over with her young son at the time and just so many very cool things and like Grandma in a bathing suit, which you know is not looking like the bathing suits of today at all very different. So I think you might get a kick out of that. It's probably the second Journal I ever made and while it's not that fancy and style. It is certainly houses a lot of precious items and I just You might like to see that so lots coming your way and I'll be popping out another podcast suit on a random topic of the joy of junk journals. And I hope you're enjoying this series. They're a lot of fun for me to make I do have the YouTube channel. If you're not aware of that add the paper Outpost. You can also find me on Facebook Pinterest Instagram and Twitter. I'm tweeting now. I still can't believe I'm tweeting but I'm tweeting and And that's pretty much it. So I look forward to seeing you all soon. I love interacting with you with your comments and things like that on the videos and on Facebook and actually on Instagram and everywhere else, too. So, thanks a lot guys, and I look forward to much more coming at you very soon. Take care. Everyone have an awesome day. And remember the fun can be simple and create with Rex Reckless. Abandon. Have fun. Everyone. Bye. Bye.

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Hello cheap homegrown ation. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I have Brandon rust. Brandon is a panel member on my growing with my fellow Growers program, which airs every Sunday evening 7:00 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. Brandon comes on the show today to talk about Organic Crop inputs. You can find Brandon on Instagram at rust dot Brandon. That's argue. St. Dot b are a ND o n please check out my new Forum section on the cheap home grow website. When you visit cheap home grow.com. Please click on where it says join the cheap home grow Community before the podcast begins. You can find me on Instagram Twitter Facebook and YouTube all at cheap home grow. And growing with my fellow Growers on Instagram this new Instagram account highlights, my new show called growing with my fellow Growers, which airs every Sunday evening 7:00 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. This podcast is information packed. So please rate review subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello everybody. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast and on today's show I have growing with my A fellow Growers panel member Brandon rust. He can be found on Instagram at rust dot Brandon. That's argue St. Dot or period Brandon be r a n d ONN Brandon comes on the show today to talk about Organic Crop inputs, and they are going to include biofertilizers biostimulants dynamic. Accumulators plant growth regulators and biopesticides, but before we get into those topic of conversation Brandon, if you could could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the meat of the conversation. Sure, most of your listeners probably know me from the growing with my fellow Growers live show that we do every Sunday. If you don't my name is Brandon Ross. I've been cultivating cannabis since 2002. I was professionally trained by some gentlemen who had been doing it since the very early 90s and or I started out doing hydroponic systems, and I'm In the soil and now I do true living organic no-till cultivation style and I'm here today to talk about Organic Crop inputs. All right, Brandon Wilson, man. Thank you for coming on the show. This is more of a well. This is more of a one-on-one, you know, usually, you know, as you said as we both said on growing with my fellow Growers, it's usually 10 people but on today's show it's going to be a little bit more personal and a little bit more one-on-one. Yeah, this is going to be great. This is gonna give your listeners a good understanding of a lot of the agriculture inputs that are going to be labeled as biofertilizers in the future. All right, man. We'll listen. Thank you for coming on the show. So really let's get right into it. My first question for you is what is a bio fertilizer and you know, really why would a home grow or care about what a bio fertilizer is Bio fertilizer is going to be a naturally occurring organic input that either has a physical logical side effect on the plant or a systemic response. There are many different types and they all knew a lot of different things as we move towards more sustainable agriculture practices in the future and as It's more home Growers gain knowledge and understanding of organic practices. I think that they're going to see a lot of you know, nutrients and stuff labeled as biofertilizers biostimulant biopesticides and being able to understand what these are will drastically be able to help them in their in their quest for knowledge and for you know, cultivating quality candidates to themselves. Now, I mean what type of role do they play in terms of growing your own? So a bio fertilizer? Well, we can start with the the biofertilizers by of a fart fertilizers are going to be organic inputs. So I know it's not so by bio fertilizer but stabilizing photosynthetic photosynthetic bacteria as well as things like Yeast and fungi that Aid in nutrient cycling and the bioavailability bioavailability and uptake of nutrients and minerals. So you have things like let's say EM1 which is a effective microorganisms. It's a mix of different things like photosynthetic bacteria yeast lactobacillus and they are what are called Fuck elective anaerobes. So they're not true anaerobic bacteria, but they actually work very well in the presence of oxygen as well as in the absence of oxygen and what the soil microbes do is they actually help sustain Diversified microbe population in soil and they help cycle nutrients. They out-compete pathogens, and they And help work synergistically probiotic lie, you could say with the other soil microbes to help them function better to do what it is. They do some bacteria will cycle nitrogen. Some will cycle phosphorus some will you know, they will cycle minerals and making those things more bioavailable to the plant because without the relationships with the microorganisms the plant can't actually Lee, you know benefit they have a the plant has the ability through keishon exchange to take a plant available nutrients, but if a nutrient or a mineral is in an unavailable form it requires, you know microbes to cycle that into an available form so that the plant can use it and so like EM1 another another Another one would be Mammoth microbes that are a lot of people are familiar with one. Those are oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah, right. So Mammoth microbes is a microbe. I believe there is four different types of phosphate stabilizing microbes in their product. And what they do is they release phosphorus that is bound in soil and they make it bioavailable on Plants. So you're going to see lots more. Or there are also things like as oh bacteria, I think azouz is a company that makes I'm not sure if that if it's plant success that makes it but I know the product is called a Zoe's it's a nitrogen fixer so it can help they help cycle nitrogen and then they release that nitrogen in a plant available form so that the roots can uptake that nitrogen. So there's all these new. I guess they're not super new but agriculturally speaking. Are there new and have these these incredible benefits for cycling nutrients and making things bioavailable quicker when you say quicker though in layman's terms, you mean that the plant can up take the nutrients faster. Is that basically what you mean what I mean is that without the microbes or the the high population of microbes or let's say the inoculation and having them there present if those populations drop what can happen is that those nutrients also become less available. So if there's always a healthy population of a certain type of microbe that is doing something functionally within the soil, then you will always be able to have the availability. So as long as you have the certain bacterias or the phone guys that are you know cycling these nutrients they'll always be available to the plant right? So they're more Or essentially they're more readily available pretty much. Yeah, because they're they're in there doing the thing all the time. So they're always cycling those nutrients. They're always breaking them down there, you know, so that's that's one of the things about you know, organic soils is that a lot of times you were relying on the nutrient cycling process to be able to release the minerals and nutrients we need. All right, Brandon. All right, man. That's a I got to say that. That's a pretty in-depth answer there regarding bio fertilizers. Thank you very much. Well II like I'm here to try to help educate everybody and hopefully this information will help some people out and you know, maybe it'll help them level of up on their on their gross skills. Let's go on to the next one. So what is a bio stimulant and why should a home grower care about what a biostimulant is? So this is a really really good one. In fact biostimulants are something that I use very very often. Okay injunction with my biofertilizers. So first of all to understand bio biostimulants, you have to understand that that oxygen hydrogen and carbon are your Mo main components when you're talking about keishon exchange or the exchange between Nutrients and minerals and how they are about how the plan is able to take them. So it works off of a basically an electrical charge and what biostimulants do they improve the uptake of minerals and nutrients and they are able to stimulate plants natural immune functions and they can condition plants to handle stress and they can also improve quality and yield and So some of the I'm going to example of some some biostimulants. Okay. I have a few here now. Why don't you tell me if they are actually biostimulants how about seaweed seaweed is considered a biostimulant in the reason why seaweed is considered a biostimulant. It's because it contains it contains hormones cytokinin cytokine. It contains oxygen. And Aubry acetic acid it also you know, so site opinion. It stimulates cell division. It also contains eaten and have a hard time pronouncing. This word added a 9. I believe it's pronounced which are which are chemicals with Aid in their hormones that it made in different plant functions different plant metabolism metabolism. It functions and things like cell division. Shoot and root growth auctions are responsible for moving the minerals and nutrients where they're needed. So yes, kelp and seaweed acts extracts would be considered biostimulants because of the the hormones that they contain. Okay, so it's basically all about the hormones pretty much. Yeah, so kelp itself doesn't contain a whole lot of your macronutrients like your end your nitrogen potassium phosphorus. It does contain a lot of micronutrients zinc, you know copper manganese all the all the good stuff that you need but the extracts the reason why people use those a lot of times they're using uh in you know there when they route they're clones. They use a lot of hormones to try to help root growth if you look at a lot of Of different products on the market Amino treatment from House and Garden I think has kelp extract in it. I think be one super Thrive has killed back extract in it. I think that there is kelp extract in some of the amino treatment products that are out there. Kelp is a very very widely used agriculture input as well as the extract from it. You've talked about seaweed you I believe you talked about acids, right is that the I'm pretty sure you saw several types of acids when we're talking about biostimulants. So let's talk about humic and kelp so humic acid is a tri later and what they do and so is fulvic my understanding is that humic acid kind of grabs on. She later a cheat, I believe it's a Greek word. That means claw. What they do is they are able to attach themselves to the particles the the nutrients and the minerals what it might it be Iron copper or zinc or and they're able to grab onto these particles and they're able to mobilize them so they can make a mobile or minerals that are Not plant available and they can grab hold of them and they can help assist them when it comes to the uptake in the plant root system. So humic acid and and fulvic acid can can are are great biostimulants that can help the accumulation of micronutrients, especially to put it in layman's terms. They aid and assist pretty much. Yes. So again, their immediate cheerleaders after it's a large particles fulvic acids are small particles. I believe that they also have some pH buffering qualities to the soil and they can improve things like iron uptake through the ion exchange. It does increase caishen exchange. So that is one of the benefits so when you increase case in exchange you increase the Amount of of charge that's in the soil that can attach themselves to the the part of the nutrient particles so that their bioavailable let's let's talk about that. Let's talk a little bit more about the benefits of Bio stimulant now from what I cuz I read this prior to talking with you and I am no expert in this field certainly, but now I I read and this is what I found interesting. I read that they can render water use more efficient. Is that correct? Or incorrect in your opinion? Yes, it makes them more efficient because when you're increasing keishon exchange a lot of times the way I plant feeds is you have you know, you're hot you have your your hydrogen and your carbon and your oxygen and those are being used in a way that the That can essentially they use these those molecules. They used to be the case in exchange capacity and will water is running through your media. You're getting these different charged particles that are attaching to minerals and nutrients and they help them assess if you have a biostimulant and it is increasing your case in exchange and it's cheerleading your minerals and your particles. You're not going to have to use as much water to get the to get the capacity that you're trying to achieve as far as like your electrical conductivity, right? Because you're a luxury severe electrical conductivity the bio availability of nutrients increases when you use Chi laters, like, you know humic and fulvic acids as well as me no acids and amino acids is something that we haven't even touched on and that's probably one of the biggest most understood by a stimulant or are amino acids. All right, man will tell you what let's let's delve deep that. Let's talk about amino acids. All right, amino acids are really interesting topic. First of all amino acids are the building blocks of all life. There are about 20 amino acids that are that are responsible for both human and plant development and the the it's a really interesting topic because there are so many different things that that they do and I'm going through my notes here because there's there's so there's so much information and I was actually I was able to go onto a lot of the science websites and just get a lot of information on the amino acids Okay, so So amino acids specifically I'm going to talk about hydrolyzed proteins and they contain things like organizing. They contain. Our spirit aspartic acids is some of these names are really hard to pronounce glutamic acid glycine dying. And what happens is humic acids are the building blocks of life. So when you get humic acids into your soil you have you you're basically you're feeding microbes because microbes have the ability to use these different amino acids. And then once they utilize the amino acids a lot of it they're they're taking the amino acid and it's Breaking off the carbon chain, they're using that and then you have let's say like a nitrogen leftover. I think glutamic acid has the highest ratio of carbon to nitrogen. And so when the amino acid acid is sequestered by microbe, it releases that free nitrogen chain and a plant available form into the soil and also it creates secondary metabolites. A lot of these amino acids will be constructed in two other compounds and some of these secondary metabolites are going to be things like B vitamins which will increase metabolites functions and plants. It can speed up those processes. They release plant hormones like oxygens and gibberellin and those are plant hormones that Are responsible for different aspects of growth. So when you and then also plants can also utilize amino acids. They will actually produce a lot of their own amino acids. And a lot of these things are responsible for sell things like cell division, you know using peptides to build which are amino acid change where they chain amino acid together. They have these complex machines were called ribosomes. In the cell and what they do is they can they construct these amino acids together and they are the precursors for like RNA and DNA synthesis a lot. Also these amino acids are also a lot of them are precursors to things like IAA and O3 SEC acid, which is another hormone that can oftentimes show up as explosive root growth. Also, it is found in most root stimulators a synthetic version of it is anyway, so you have all these amino acids and a lot of them another one precursor to terpenes. So there's different. There's a lot of different research and I have to a lot of times, you know, take research from know. Different varietals near things like corns or beans or tobacco. A lot of times they'll do research on like three different varieties of plants because those three varieties of plants will represent, you know, hey, we can you know in theory replicate this with other crops and so they are finding that in the research that I'm reading that when given amino acids plants have higher stressed. Tolerances to you know, biotic and abiotic stress factors. It can increase resilience through the induction of the stem acquired response. They also activate certain signaling Pathways in plants that can unlock certain Gene responses and again microbes use You know these these acids these amino acids to construct other types of things and the plant does that as well the plant will use the different acids for different processes within its plant tissues and it creates a huge variety of different chemicals and different hormones at the beginning of this when you said they are the foundation of life. It certainly sounds like it. Yeah. It's so I've been reading a lot of And on amino acids and and what they do and there is a lot of stuff going on that. I don't think we understand yet as well. I use and I am actually my next product is a amino acid product and I've been using amino acids for a long time. I've had been using the humic and fulvic sex and they they drastically increase micro nutrient uptake and they drastically increased plant. Health in my opinion I have been doing this long enough to know if I do something my plant and I can look at it and say there's definitely something to this now I test bricks and there's a lot of I think Miss misleading and kind of confusing information on understanding bricks, but a lot of these It's are responsible for the high bricks levels because I'm able to acquire higher numbers of micronutrients and sugars and amino acids and enzymes in the plant tissue itself. And when you have all of those things already available, let's say amino acids if they're already available in the plant. The plant doesn't have to use any energy to As those white so, you know, I think it's because if a plant is plants are autotrophic and what that means is that they actually create their own food. So plants don't actually eat nitrogen potassium phosphorus, they biosynthesize those and they turn them into complex sugars carbohydrates proteins and starches and then a huge majority of the food that they Is actually exude through the roots to feed microbes so that the process can continue the biosynthetic process of obtaining more nutrients while synthesizing those into complex carbohydrates sugars proteins enzymes amino acids B vitamins, whatever it is the plant needs for whatever regulatory function or metallic process. And I think that when you already have those in the tissue because you willingly gave it to a plant let's say via foiler feeding amino acids are pretty readily available through a foiler through the stomata openings. And if you already have these available to the plant the plant does not have to spend any energy trying to create these things in themselves. At least this is this is what I'm on I'm thinking is happening. So, you know, I don't, you know, I don't have a science background. I don't have a college education. I Have a ton of experience with cannabis and I have a lot of experience with doing research and trying to understand it and replicate the the, you know, basically replicate the information and try to trans, you know translocate it I guess into cannabis go from like, okay. Well, here's a project that worked on a rice cultivar. Let's see if this will also work on. On cannabis because a lot of the times when I'm reading into these these research papers a lot of times they're using kind of really General plants so that they can say so that it can be used in the way that I'm applying it, you know, like, you know, I mean listen, I don't have a background and podcasting but I've been podcasting now for a little over a year man. So it's all good. As long as you're getting the information out there. That's all that matters. And it and and you know, I like to share too and there's a lot of information and I'm you know, I constantly work on putting it together because there's so much of it and I go through so much sometimes it's hard to retain and also that a lot of the papers are written in the way that they're worded can be very complex can be hard to comprehend and they use a lot of big scientific words that you know, I'll often times aren't in my vocabulary. So A lot of times I'll have to look up those words and it can be difficult to convey everything that I have. You know all that. I'm attempting to constantly absorb. All right, Brent outside what man let's go on to the next topic of conversation and that is dynamic accumulators. And what are those man? It's all right. So Dynamic accumulators. This is a good one too. So you can you remember a conversation? I think we had maybe on one of the growing my fellow Growers. We were talking about crop cover and why people were using crop cover and purpose was yes, I do. Okay. So bio accumulators are are going to be anything that can help absorb. Ramps into its own system and then be cycled out. So for instance crop cover could be a bio accumulator. Look take Clover. For example Clover is very good at sequestering. Atmospheric nitrogen and then releasing it into a plant available form. There are also many other cover crops that will do the same thing. They will absorb, you know, my macro and micronutrients as well as minerals and other things and so when you do let's say a crop cover in a bed or a or a pot or even you know outside You are basically biodynamically acquiring nutrients and minerals. And then when those crop covers are cut back those things are cycled into the new into the into the soil as available minerals and nutrients before you go on our Dynamic accumulators. Do you see those mostly in no-till beds? As far as crop cover goes. Yeah, because you're not growing crop cover on, you know, soilless media right on Foods or in cocoa. And also there are some trying to think of some other ones right off the top of my head some other biodynamic accumulators, you know, I guess I guess you could also include some of the the Biologicals they have biological inoculants could could I guess also be classified. Fight as bio accumulators because some of them they are you know, again, they're pulled their, you know, sequestering these different minerals and nutrients and then releasing them so they are basically acquiring them in you know, a way that they're able to and then making them available, but I do know that there are several different like crop covers that are being used and tested to see I read a very very interesting report. Tan, it was variation of species and soil microorganisms. So they found they did a nine-year study on it was on a prairie and what they did is they they were able to find that by having a wide variety of different plants actually increased the size. my old the diversity of the soil microorganisms and population and it actually increased the carbon in the soil and carbon is one of the main components that is going to that microbes are going to use the carbon is usually used and then the byproduct is going to typically be the nutrient or mineral that is in Available platform. Okay, and so they found out that having different plants. They will all exude different types of exudates through their root systems and they the different exudates from different plants will actually promote different types of bacteria and fungi fungi. And so when you have these these accumulators which are able to increase biodiverse The soil you have you have more availability to minerals and nutrients because there's a wider population because different soil organisms do different things. You know, some are you know, you have like fungi like our base Keeler and Endo mycorrhizal fungi, which helped eight in the transport of nutrients minerals and water you have you know bacteria that are responsible for breaking down phosphate. Fates you have some that are breaking that breakout roles and some that are able to absorb sulfur into their bodies and make it into bioavailable form when that bacteria is cycled, like maybe a Maya protozoa or it just naturally expires. Sure. So that's one of the things that is I think that's being used more and More is more diverse species of plants as essentially as a companion plant for cannabis. A lot of me Alpha clove first types of beans and peas. I think flax that there's quite a few different crop cover mixes that are out there on the market. I kind of do my own little mix know I found works well, Or me and it consists mostly like grass Clover certain type of grass flax and us no key. Alright the mr. Brandon Russell tight what man let's go on to the next one plant growth regulators. And you know, what, are they and wash it at home Growers care about what they are. Yeah so pgr. So he just have a bad name and there's a reason because people often don't realize that there are two types of Fiji are so there are natural occurring plant growth regulators. And then there are some Vedic plant growth Regulators synthetic plant growth Regulators are you know, they're carcinogenic and if they, you know, stay inside the plant material they could potentially have Health risks attributed to them. So what is a plant growth regulator plant growth Regulators are essentially going to be things like PG ours are going to be things like secondary metabolites produced by bacteria and fungi such as auxins gibberellic acid cytokine in and other hormones. That are going to benefit plant Health nutrient uptake and stimulate plant response systems. So things like auxins gibberellins Absa Absa kascid ethylene, these are plant growth regulators and they need their hormones that have that that do are responsible for most of the major functions in plant root growth. Shoot growth flower development, you know Paul in development. All of these things are are responsible. And one of the things that is really interesting to me is the secondary metabolites produced by three types of bacteria. So one of the things that you never going to be able to get in soilless Media or hydroponic systems is going to be this this interaction between Minerals and nutrients in soil and how the bacteria and fungi sequester these because what happens is once they sequester something whether it be, you know, a mineral or whether it be a carbon or whether it be an amino acid. They release a by-product like all things, you know, something comes in something comes out so they're changing. Different chemicals and to other chemicals and some of these chemicals which again they're called secondary metabolites are hormones and they're having Direct effects on the plant. They can increase plant Health. They can increase plant metabolism. They can increase cell division. They can actually increase cell size a lot of these hormones, you know, if you have have them in there readily Hannibal and they're abundant you're going to see a lot of really strong healthy plants. They're also some of these things are also I believe I might be wrong on this but I think they might also be responsible for some of the signaling Pathways that activate systemic acquired response, which is essentially you have these genes That get activated within a plant and it causes a response and the response it could be something like plant defense where it creates maybe a certain chemical or to directly fight off. Maybe a pathogen like it might be a H2O type of particle that would kill off a pathogen or it could be a signaling molecule. That triggers, you know it signals another plant nearby that hey this I'm being attacked and you need to raise your defenses. Okay, Brendan, let's go into biopesticides. All right, so, you know biopesticides include specific targeting biological control such as mites parasitic wasp beetles nematodes and also include mycotoxins and fungal and bacterial toxins. Wow, okay, man, fair enough. Oh like so let's start off. This is this you know, this is again. This is IPM stuff, which is huge for me. I'm an organic Gardener and if I do not do my IPM management I will have problems on so we can talk a little bit about the main biological pesticides that I use so I have four main things that I use and then I also have what I have a couple of things that I use for knockdown treatments if it ever comes to that which doesn't typically happen. I and I also have a few products that I just rotate in and out of the IPM just to decrease pest resistance to the products. So first thing I'm going to Talk about is Bavaria boss Iana. Now Bavaria boss. Jana is a systemic endophyte. So it's a it's a it's a fungus and it actually is able to enter into the plant tissue and it is able to systemically fight off plant eating insects. So if you have an insect, let's say an aphid and it you know it Is feeding on your canvas plants, it will ingest through very of Asiana, which is toxic to nope certain certain pests. A lot of canopus. A lot of cannabis pests are they they don't have a very good defense systems built in again smooth area bossy on them. So what happens is they eat this they end up ingesting the fungus and then the fungus goes to work doing what it does. To disrupt the plants ability to feed or reproduce. Another biopesticide that I use and I do this once a week. It's called bacillus thuringiensis. It is really insist or bti. And it was also goes by the name of microbe lift BCM. It is a mosquito control product. Actually I use this actually for controlling fungus gnats, which are you They're ubiquitous to pretty much everywhere in the world and they let they feed on well their larvae feed on organic matter and if there's on organic matter, they can feed on roots and they can you know, if they're feeding on root hairs that's causing problems with the plants ability to take up nutrients. So fortunately fungus gnats are in the same family or very closely related to the mosquitoes. And so the bacillus thuringiensis, it's a liquid and at a rate of 1 milliliter per gallon. I have found it to be extremely effective against fungus nap. I do not have fungus gnats anymore and it took me a little while to get the dosage down. But once I did no more fungus gnats, okay, there there that effective against Nats man Jesus Oh wait. Yeah. It's so it's I see a flyer in my garden. We'll go ahead and I don't know, you know hit it. So I do I do maintenance of 1 milliliter per gallon every single week beginning of the week. I do it on Monday and both my bedroom flower room and it's extremely effective. It's been like I took me a little while to get the right dosage and I figured it out if you are infested in you have it had a heavy infestation. You could do two milliliters per gallon. If you have something mild, you have some flyers wouldn't Superbad you can do one point five milliliters per gallon and then my preventative is the one milliliter per gallon and So speaking of fungus gnat control. One of the things that I also introduced was Rove Beetle. So this is another this is a this is a predator Beetle that can feed on Things like fungus NE eggs, and I think they feed on longer, but I think the best person to do that really knows everything they feed on would be obviously Matthew Gates. That's right. Since I introduced the Rove Beetle, the populations are maintained really. Well. There's no fungus gnats. So it's kind of a that right there is back under there. It's teamwork right there. Right? So you have this bacterial toxin the bacillus thuringiensis, then you have, you know, a predatory insect. So you're getting you know, you're coming at it from two different angles and then we're going to go ahead and add the third one, right? So I also have hypo aspis miles and I blast this miles again. This is a mic that's ubiquitous to most places in the world. I think they don't live in the Arctic if you build a really nice soil, you'll pretty much you'll see them in your soil. They'll come in now. Actually, they have a way of getting in there and their bait, you know, there's different types the type that naturally comes in my soil I don't think they're very effective for fungus gnat control. They do eat there. I see them kind of more as opportunistic. They eat a lot of an exploit litter but they also will feed on fungus their eggs. If they're they're you know, I think it's more just a opportunity for them. From what I've seen from my scouting from sitting there watching them hours. I don't see a whole lot of Like Target specific behaviors from them. Well, so those will bring those are I'm curious. What do you mean by opportunistic? Why me more opportunistic is that for the most part from my observation? They pretty much just feed on soil litter organic matter. They will eat, you know fungus gnat eggs, but I think it's more of like just what's readily available to them. Like if there's a whole cluster of eggs and they don't have to work for it. They're gonna mack down, you know, but if there's a bunch of organic, you know, Leaf litter organic you no matter that they can munch on, you know, it's like it's pretty much like they have a huge Buffet to choose from and so there it's not like, oh we're eating just pizza today, you know, so all the incubator that's kind of what I mean. So they have kind of more of an option. They're not they're not like Target specific because they are some bio controls which are Target specific. Like if you want to if you have an aphid problem, you're going to get ladybugs, right? You're not going to get ladybugs. If you have a spider mite problem because ladybugs are typically well the it depends on which specie but you know, typically the specie that that you sing in greenhouses and that your sink sold through Garden. Cops they eat aphids, you know, there are some others that eats kale and mealy bug there are other varieties that do eat might but again, there are things that our Target specific and then there are things that are generalists and then there are things that I think are just kind of like opportunistic eaters. Okay. So again if the V bio control, so I think I said I had four but there's actually five is Amber Lee a swersky. I, this is something that I was actually turned on by Matthew Gates. I think it's a gram handle is at thinking angel' think Angel. That's right sis. So he turned me on to this research project where they use an explode. Let's have Ember pepper to basically rear might and what that means is they use them to basically breed Ambria swierski. I would just type 3 General generalist Predator might it wide variety of cannabis pests including Wi-Fi strips and different types of mites. I actually had gotten an infected clone. It had russet my and you know, I didn't panic because I knew what I needed to do. That's a good thing, you know don't panic having the knowledge is you know, I think when you don't know what to do, you start panicking and you start looking for the input information and might come across wrong information and it can be a hindrance more than than something that help you out. Oh, yeah. Yeah don't panic. They're all your manic write a rule of thumb is do not panic do not panic at all. Just kind of do your thing. Do your homework do your research and Trust? You know trust your research. So am Leah sworsky. I General Perez generalist Predator type 3, it's able to feed off of Palm and if in low insect pressure, so if I don't have broad my or if I don't have threats or if I don't have white fly these mites are going to still stay alive in my garden without me having to spend exuberant amounts of money to keep re inoculating them or two. Keep reintroducing them into my garden. So it is a cost-effective way to keep a certain types of biological controls around for longer periods of time. And then the goal is to be able to breed this might this biological control on my plants on my pepper plants and then move them around from vegetative to flower so that way I have that biological control as an Added extra measure as kind of a contingency plan, you know because I do really strict IPM and I do scouting program every week and I haven't seen any rust at my and most people are like, oh if you get russet mites you need to cut everything down you might as well just burn your garden down right that's panic mode. You don't got to do that. You just have to know what you need to do and biological controls are very very effective. Active especially when you can out-compete. If you are looking at a leaf and you see that there are three mites. Let's say you have spider mites or something like that. There's three months you have six plants and every plant has 40 leaves. You can fig kind of figure out the number of mites that are in your garden sure, you know here and then you can accordingly plan. Okay. Well, I have this many mites. I'm gonna get this many beneficial insects that will be able to eat those much But and then the the other products that I have so those are the five products. I'm going to go over them one more time. Boov. Are you the boss Iana bacillus thuringiensis Israeli incest Rove Beetle hypo aspis Mile and am blessed sworsky. I so those are my my main my main IPM now. I also do a little rotation with grand Evo which is a might ask my decide. And that is just a preventative. I'll do that every once in a while just to switch it up. So that way I don't gain any type of resistance because with biological controls like bacterial toxins and Mico insecticides. My understanding is that insects pests they can gain resilience. Them over time, but my understanding is that takes much much longer than a chemical pesticide. And so I just kind of switching out your integrated Pest Management sprays. You can kind of mitigate any of those issues, you know resilience those so I do Grand Evo and then I also do a dragonfly Earth medicine boiler. which has Several different species of lactic acid bacteria as well as yeah. I think it's all it has some trichoderma and it has a couple of species of bacillus bacteria bacillus subtilis has bacillus Camillus megator career. Yum, some of these names are a little awkward for me to pronounce it acts again. It's a their bacteria is in the idea behind them is that if you have bacteria on the leaf surface has already that they out-compete any type of pathogen. I don't know if there's any scientific research or if there's any proof, but I know For sure for 100% certain if I take something like EM1 or take something like my bow Kashi after I've used it as a foiler and I spray it on something like powdery. Mildew the powdery mildew die. Yeah, man. I have your bokashi Earthworks. That's awesome. Yeah, it's a good product. You know, um, you know, I don't know the whole reason why I started selling it was because I was just making so much of it because I'll use it constantly, so it was really good. I'll be able to get The people using it to ya man. Listen as a Shameless plug that is Beau Kashi Earthworks, and you can find that on Instagram as well at BO Kashi Earthworks the okay a shi Earthworks all one word a nice little a nice little Shameless plug for you man. So good for you. I'll clean it. So yeah, so biopesticides there are Han of different biopesticides. There are new biopesticides emerging All of the as more science comes to light as more research has done. So those are the main biopesticides I use. I also wanted to mention one other thing I do about once a month sure is codes. So there are Target specific nematodes that will go after certain things like a true Tafe has fungus gnats and then there are some that Are more General so you have a good so you have to do your research when buying nematodes my understanding of nematodes or also that if you there are harmful nematodes that the root-knot nematode which can be completely bench detrimental to agriculture crops. And also people who are doing large garden beds, especially at large studies. They get rude not they have to basically throw away all of that. Loyal to have to dispose of it properly and they have to make sure they did do not cross contaminate. There was something I can't remember where it was. It was they were talking about how the introduction of beneficial nematodes can actually hinder the ability for the bad nematodes to come in and take over. All right. All right. Mr. Brandon Rossum, you've touched on biofertilizers biostimulants Dynamic accumulators plant growth regulators and biopesticides man. I think I think we've pretty much covered at all. I have to say yeah, that was those were the five categories that I wanted to kind of touch on a little bit and I think we cover it all think we got it chained. Absolutely. And listen man. I got to say I mean this this was a pretty in-depth podcast and I appreciate you coming on my Tuesday podcast my cheap homegirl podcast man. I appreciate you a did it once this is your second time and for you listeners out there. You can visit. Mr. Brandon rust a trust dot Brandon. An Instagram and you can also listen to him or see him talk every week on Sunday night's 7:00 p.m. Eastern on growing with my fellow Growers. Yeah, it's you know, it's always a pleasure. I appreciate the platform that you've built. It allows me to help educate and I get a lot of feedback from your listeners. I enjoy being able to help them out, and I also wanted to say to if there's something that I've said that isn't correct or if I've made a mistake. Feel free to correct. You can always go back when you listen to episode. People say hey, I think you might have missed something. I appreciate criticism because it allows me a chance to grow both as a speaker and an educator and as a you know as a cultivator, all right. Mr. Brennan Russ, man. Listen, I do appreciate you coming on the show and I look forward to talking to you again this upcoming Sunday. Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is shaima. Karma from the cheap home grow podcast and thanks for listening to my podcast with Brandon. You can find Brandon on Instagram at rust dot Brandon. That's argue St. Period Brandon BR a ND o n and also at BO Kashi Earthworks on Instagram, that's be okay a shi e AR th wor k s Bo. 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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESP on a TV talk now with a buzz. Yeah. Hello. What's up? Hey guys. Got your arrow. Oh fabulous guest you're still going to get into that right away. But first and foremost welcome, we are so excited to have you here at the arrow after show. I am your host Kelly Kona Bradford joint. You always do in your head anyway. Can you use the beautiful Maxima right sugars? We are so happy to be here. I love this is Olivia de Puerto. I don't even matter because look who's next to me. Oh my God Andreas. She's alive. She's alive. She killed karolina, and she's not here anymore. It's gonna be So we she's gonna be angry that she wasn't here though, because I mean girl you're a good actress because y'all she watched the last 15 minutes with us. Yes, and she wears Pokerface AF spoilers spoilers. I have a poker face all day. She was like, yeah, I'll come watch with you guys for the last 10 minutes. It's fine and dandy. I hate you really quick before we move on. I have to tell all of our co-host at home. If this is your first time watching an after show we cut off the table because this side belongs to you. Join us in the live chat. All you have to do is hashtag a BT B arrow on all things social media and of course join us now and we always start with hashtag who I love to hate. So I'm going to give you the honor and allow you to share with us. Okay, I would say in the Flash for Word timeline definitely JJ just like this sweet face. Oh, right, you're getting he has a sweet face and and he plays this kind of like amicable like cool guys sort of feel but then just his actions to start complete opposite. But but you say you like that about he plays it so freaking well, That two-faced sort of Yasser soul of a handsome bag. Yeah. Yes, you do. Yes. Yes. Yes you do doesn't Olivia. Well, I had one but now it's changed its this girl for breaking my heart and just being so unexpected. I mean I loved you and you were awesome on the show and great job, but someone why would you leave us? It's just so sad. I know so I know I feel very honored to have No farewell interview. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually and of the timing couldn't have been more solid. Yeah, I don't have words. I'm too it was y'all it was too exhausting. I don't but I think probably probably JJ and it's because y'all know I do love a bad boy and he is handsome. However, that was that was our jeep that was harsh and then with his brother I like if anybody thinks that I think hopefully we're going to kind of see what happened to diggle that. Sometimes your brother just goes bad like and there's the same parallel here. So yeah, well that you well my hashtag who I love to hate is actually Talia. Oh, she's so good at being bad and she's on that fine line of good and bad and then she twisted and went the wrong way got super selfish, but karma's a bitch it got her got her daughter and then she swallowed here you go. Yeah Pride. I loved it. She turned it around the engine and she always has amazing hair. It looks like a prayer. Commercial never looks bad. Yeah to I just wanted to say that sorry. Ktd. All right. So in the chat, hi everybody. It's been Quake Ivan Soto. So Ivan Soto's who I love to hate is Athena inhumane. Inhuman Quake says, hi Zoe big fan. Oh, hi just you know, it's a going another I hate Athena archers. Ali says, I hate JJ. Someone said, I love to hate Mia because it's me as fault that Zoe is dead. That's some true. So me assault and then a lot of Athena's so makes sense though. Nice sense. Okay right away. I just want to get into the whole Adventure at the top because we get to see Thea who hears excited you were yeah, we're all over her. I love her. She's one of my favorite characters. I mean I was sad when she stopped. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people were yeah, but I like the fact that It was really cool this whole episode in general in that section of the show was very Tomb Raider. They even said so but Indiana Jones, yeah. All right. Yeah. Well it's both but she's a little bit more wiser. And and all of her is very I know his demeanor was so different this episode. Yeah, but I sort of liked it. I liked it. I mean Sia has been my favorite character since the beginning like I have loved the forever and just seeing her in. Like the first scene made me just so happy and what I really like about her is her and and all these relationship right and how she's so level-headed and he and she makes him level-headed and just like the heart-to-heart conversations that they have are always so genuine and I could really I love the chemistry between the two of them. So, I don't know just seeing her and having her come back into our lives is always just makes me happy. Well, they've had a switch where she really has become like such as she was so like wildly and rambunctious. Petrus and she really now is the one kind of giving him counsel and being at almost like a big sister to her big brother, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah six is her big brother. And so I just think that's cool to see that and just it's just that yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is another reason you're here. But each other and have fun. Yeah in the chat people are saying I think I looked badass with the longer hair and the scar true Matt and then Brandon says I love that. She's reoccurring this season. So hopefully we'll see more of her. It's gonna be back for cry. Yeah real for sure. So I mean, yeah, it's not over is it ever? We'll see. We'll see we'll see. We'll see we're gonna get there. We wanted. Yeah, we've got to get through the shoulder Dibley me. There's gonna be a lot of questions. I don't know anything. Yeah lies lies. I think one of the biggest themes for us is a panel that we've talked about a lot in the last few episodes is the fact that the fight scenes they've always been great for Arrow, but these this season it's just elevated so much from the way that it's shot from them zooming through again. And did anybody else feel like the is a better fighter this episode or is that just me? I mean, she's always been a top dog Fighter for me. I but I like it was cool house to have gotten better. Yeah and to see her fight. So I think she's better with a sword and you know, her swordsmanship is better this season this season or this episode. It was me. She's in Arabic out of nowhere. I know but I think that's it. I think we're supposed to see the like, it's been a hot minute. Yeah, she's not an idiot. She's learned some stuff. I mean, I think really like it it. I was like, I want to see that spin-off where they really we see here Speedy who's kind of Oliver took her under her wing and now she's going to be leading the League of Heroes. Yeah, that's with another woman just to see her really come into her own. I was like, that's really cool. Yeah, I like that. You said that because I love the part where Thalia was like debating if she wanted to join and she's like, my father would be a guest. Yes. Yes, women empowerment finally pushing that this yeah season. Yeah, it's so nice. It's so nice to see I do. Hope if we ever see that I did miss Anissa me to yes. I'm married love that character. I love that actor. I hope that we I agree. I need to Google or because I don't know what she on another show now. Does that mean she's a my I don't know. Yeah, yeah actually have that accent. I don't think so. She's a comedian, you know, it's know she does stand-up. No way. Yeah, she's really funny. Yeah, these corner of the I think from us. Seriously a Lakota is a good actor as well. I mean we should we should Google her comedy and show it next time. I know you also that would be all yeah because she's so just yeah, no. No, she's really funny. That's why we haven't gotten any matches yet. So we're good. We will I know they figured we all have a goofy gas or something. Yeah. Okay, so I still want to because I'm not done with the yeah because she's got she goes and she does that dual. Please remind me in the chat co-host what the formal name is. Is when she accepted that not the Dual the challenge. Oh to I don't know it's called but the when she fought Talia this is why we have to check because I remember yeah, they helped us out. Of course so much. It's a little lag but they'll come we got a match Hill. So that's one one patch. Oh, it'll take a second. Probably. Oh I got through with the thing anyway, no, but I like the fact that they had the fight right and then the whole time Oliver's like gotta protect you I gotta protect you and then just That last moment she won but didn't even think she's gonna lose for sure. No, he always comes through. Yeah. Olivia was worried. She was gonna die is I was very concerned as like you can't do this to me. You guys keep breaking my heart like it. But yeah. No, I thought she was gonna die for sure. Oh, they're saying trial by combat. Yes, that's so just trial by combat. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what they usually say. It's yeah, I like that. She not only one but again she Kill her opponent. Yeah was this but y'all know I'm a Wonder Woman fan so but no I love like again, I think what's cool about seeing that we don't get a lot in male superheroes. It's like fight to the death in the finish and that's not always strength strength sometime is like giving your opponent Grace, you know and letting them live and I think again and then she turned around and gave her that new chance. So I love that. I love that. It's funny that you say that because there was a duel between Nyssa and Thalia and the same thing. End and this ended up you're my girl. Thanks booth at a keep you real? I'm so excited that yeah. Yeah. Yeah, everything's fine. So anyway, where was I I'm really good at least sorry. I didn't think you were talking about but they had a fight and this ended up on top. Like it's the same situation this ended up to on top and her sister was like go ahead do it and and she didn't And of course anyways, same exact situation and I was like girl did you not learn the last time you tried to duel somebody lost? Yeah, but anyways, like I said karma sucks because she betrayed them and then she ended up. Whoo. Okay, we see nothing up before is my memory bad. Yeah, always oh wait Athena. No, I don't think we've seen Athena before I think they've talked about her but I don't think we've ever seen her. So yeah welcome. Yes. Yay for a recurring. Yeah, you booked it. Happy you know, it's like yay. Yeah, so then comic book expert extra high Dome. No. No he is give us a little bit. Who is Athena should I know who she is? I had no idea and I literally have no I mean I do in Wonder Woman lore, but I'm thinking okay yet different for the wind. Thank you. Yes, we have seen Athena before from Ivan. Black magic says, yes, she was in fan of skilled and season six. Yeah all in season 6. So apparently we're big dummies. Really? Yeah, but this so was season 3 The League assassin was that the season that because you know, how each yeah, we've learned that each like episodes was kind of parallel That season and so it isn't that like a lot of Malcolm Merlyn. Oh Lazarus pits are gone. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's a big deal. Yeah. Well that was like her big theater mission mission why she left and I thought that it was interesting when Steven your Steven when There was like why aren't you going to come back? And I was like me. Yeah, right like you've finished your mission now come back and but no she has like Morgan. She makes her own choices. She dies. I know but you said that you were like, okay, so I know that we have like a huge chunk of the show. That's about all this. Let's get the scroll. Let's find out X y&z we found out that the monitor is not necessarily good guy. But really I want to get to the good stuff since we have you here. Let's talk about the flash-forwards just a little yeah, let's talk. Yeah, he's gonna go all the stuff. They got the squirrel. They'd Barney was cool exhaust. There was a golf only had a man thought that this big Was going to happen. I feel like did you tweet out somebody tweeted out cat we have that actually we have the cheat on this shoot. Ya like showed up tweet. This is how I felt like did you hear me say this you were gonna die 37 minutes ago. No, it was 37 minutes ago when I saw it at like 5:00 p.m. Okay. So she did the the East Coast. Yeah, for those of you in the podcast, I'll read it just says here we are tearful bloody beautiful mask. Just after shooting this wonderful gals last seen my dear Dre. Oh, yeah D re 6 toaster a 6 that's her. No, I know but I'm advertising for will be surely Miss. Did you dead so clear? Did you see that tweet or is it the first time you saw this is the first time I'm seeing. Yeah some emotions as you see that what's going through your mind. Oh gosh, I remember that moment very very clearly a bright after we shot. It was very emotional as you saw there that really had to get to a pretty dark place. Not not to Tamper the movie. I mean You see Zoe taking the leap of faith for her team, even though she really didn't agree with this Mission or this step in their mission. She went along with it because she really I mean she has to stick to the team and and be there for them and she had a chance to save one of her teammates and although she did go down. She went down a hero and I think that's very odd. Bowl of her and it's really sad. I mean, I loved Zoe I've had Jimmy she's part of me now and you know, I definitely had like I grieved her right after I finished shooting that scene and yeah, it was really freaking emotional. I'm just gonna cry now, but well, let me ask you this because you you went into this. Season obviously, they don't have you come in Washington last season is when you started with the show, they don't tell you like hey, by the way, just so you know, you're going to die. So hush-hush, so I don't know about this show, but in other shows, it's like they only pull that one actor aside and you have to live with this secret not tell your castmates. So for you, what was that process and was like the reaction when you found out. Oh, well I found out before we started shooting. Showrunner gave me a call and was just like oh hey, so this is this is the fate of Joe of Zoe in the third episode, you know, she ends up dying but there's in a really cool heroic way. And and you know, yeah, it was a shock. It was a big shock. Yeah for I didn't know I didn't know prior to that to this season, but but I was okay I was okay with Emma quite okay with it because You know, she really played a really solid solid role in the life of this new world in 2040. And you really see her be the hero that she had she always wanted to be and to follow in her Father's Footsteps and and really make him proud and heartbreaking last words that she had at the end tell my father that I love him and that I'm sorry for everything because she she wanted to live on and and really fulfill his legacy and at that moment she felt like a failure because she didn't you know in her eyes, when yeah, so that's really heartbreaking, but I think I think fans I think they're going to be pretty heartbroken. I've been yeah. Yeah, right. So we're literally seen Renee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that was the first thing I thought of when I saw this was like Renee has been like Zoe's biggest, you know fan since since forever like he loves her with all of his heart and like that it was probably so hard. It's going to be so hard begin can be weird seeing if we see like scenes of her as a little girl. Yeah, but he joyfully will finally just talk about the moment actually leads up to that because really starts with a bad choice. Yeah, and that happened even going from last episode. We see that me is ticked off at the way things had happened in the last mission. So she's like what we would have done it my way. This is she has the opportunity to do it her way and this is the result. So my goodness that she's gonna have to live with him. Again, like her the parallel of her father. Mmm. She's going to feel like it's her fault that someone died on the team, right? I mean, but she also bleep pushed for it. So hard like that. She was like if she would have just listened to Zoe and been like, okay, maybe we don't do it this way things would have been different. I mean no, it's her fault. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, she was up my but she left her harder get the best of her, right? Yeah, you know and instead of really thinking of it in a smart. Way, she just she was afraid it was too risky for her brother and she didn't want to take that risk, right? And so everyone has their mix their choice. They all make choices the big theme of this episode whether it was in The Flash Forward or it was with diggle and Lyla, but it was like operating from a suit. Whoa. This is use me operating from a place of fear. Everyone was doing it from Oliver to me and like I said diggle, it's like there's this huge. Your fact especially when some of them had seen Earth to dissolve and now it's just everything. Yeah, so with me about her fear came to come scuse me from somewhere else like you guys said her brother Mmm Yeah, and she loses somebody else. Yeah. What is a chat even know they're going on. I mean they're going off. I can't even keep up but Ivan Soto says, it's the queen curse black magic says, it's entirely me as fault me as fall everyone's saying that they get harsh then With a guitar and then well some black magic says we should he still has present Zoe but I wonder how he's gonna feel when he realizes because like he's in he's in the room when you know, they all come back literally just after I seen her and she's gonna be like, why are you crying and then he's gonna be like Zoe died and I can't imagine or I don't know what's gonna go down. Then that is now a good feeling the fear of hand because now he's going to start raising her differently which then might affect the future exactly. Three of us realize that the same time really. Sorry. We're not this wild. Yeah. Cool, I'm gonna have their theories about what happens that I have no idea what happens and you're going to have to wait and see don't we just all got a chill and everyone said that was really loud and intense and oh, sorry. Okay. So operating from Fear I want to step off of that but continue and talk about Lila and diggle and how I still don't trust Lila. Well, obviously, Lee diggle's Arms look so good. This is yeah, they're always getting buffer and bond. So beautiful. He's so nice and he's so tall. I know I'm dead. I told you I think I met him once and I said you should have more shirtless scenes and he said I totally should it was like I love you. Hey, you work that hard. You want to write? Yeah seriously, but no so, you know we so hashtag. We keep it real here. We were not a fan of them. I mean, you're still not like Last year, we didn't get the chemistry and their relationship. We didn't like the writing. This is earlier. We didn't love the acting of it. I actually maybe you didn't but I turn to you I was like, this is better. Like I'm liking them more together. They're playing off more than I like the writing. So he's so much wiser. The she is wiser. She seems like less combative and more like trying to like we see them helping one another out where before she's just been kind of like I do it my way and I'm like, okay. I know you're the head of Argos but like he's got some expertise to It's online makes me excited to see where they're gonna go. It's lies though. Yes, that's why I feel like uh, oh, I forgot. She talked to the monitor. So it's like Leila you you're like, I don't trust you. I think she's in it for good. I don't think she's in what for good but I hoping with the monitor. Well, I don't know. Okay, so because you guys catch the line where she said something about oh, just remember all the good times. Yes confessing all his love and it's like she's saying remember you say they said that Because later on you're probably not I'm gonna someone in the chat Ren GE says it was mr. And mrs. Smith versus mr. Mr. Diggle. Oh my God, I have that in my notes. Sorry. Oh, she really that. Well see ya renji and a leak or no same page. Same page there. Yeah, but yeah Lila Ivan sort of says Lila isn't lying. She loves diggle. No, I think yeah, of course you think she loves diggle? Absolutely. I do too. Absolutely. It's not I think she loves him. I just think she has her own mission and she's married to her mission in a little bit more than her husband. Maybe maybe it could be like she thinks she's probably doing good. But she's doing that whole Oliver thing where I'm like risking myself my personal life just to make whatever better. Yeah. Yes. Yes better. She's in some sort of debt to the monitor. So she's just doing it out of Duty. Yeah, that could be that too. I guess we'll find out. I don't know maybe she needs to do to save her son in the future. Sure, so he's not affected but in turn she's got a betrayer every else. Wow, he's really good. We don't know anything. So this is what we talk about our entire show. Yeah. Yeah. So speaking of Mama's we got to see a little Connor Hawke. I don't think I'm good. You know tears streaming down his face and they really chose a perfect little actor for that. Yeah, he was such a like that with Connor miss that yeah, you're gonna go back. It was so cute. She's just a cute kid boyfriend. AfterBuzz, okay, you can have babies that have to know y'all you know, we're here because because we love it we're here because we go in these crazy fan theories and we you know, some people do drugs. I've listened to Ali Kona as you do too and the only way we're able to do that is because you subscribe to that little button in the bottom. You don't talk in the live chat you leave comments on YouTube. You go to Apple podcast and you leave five stars and you put you put in what bright something say we love this panel turkey talk turkey calls and yeah, whatever you want to put that's inside joke, I appreciate it. So thank you so much just for being here and helping make AfterBuzz the ESP and of TV talk we love you for it. I'm or you know, we just do that. I just want to include include you but also Who who didn't catch the episode I was very serious when I was trying to talk about the canary cry. Hmm, and the sound waves. I was trying to verbally explain what they look like and do a canary crash. She did and you're you know, you're going to do this in front of a canary before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. Don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV It's really it's really really bad. Really. Oh God. I can't wait. I said it's supposed to show you the ripples in the are not supposed to that's what it was. I felt that one I felt it. Even John on me when I broke. We didn't have a canary. It's fine. Let's go. Tell the producer Susan. I'm available. You're a star. You're a star. Okay? Okay, go. We got me to the chat really wants to talk about how this was directed by Katie Cassidy right the kind of talk. About your process a little kind of behind the seeds of like so far. What was it like working with Katie as a drummer? She's so she's such a beautiful person inside and out. She really took on the director role. She was just like, all right, let's do this. Let's she had a vision and and she made it happen and it shows as she just did such a great job and she couldn't have been like the more perfect person to Direct my death scene because as you guys know she's been through so many deaths ourselves on the show. Yeah, so so so we had some time to chat before the scene. You know, she gave me a call she calms my nerves because you know, you're gonna die on screen and you're going to be a little nervous about it, of course. It's just like you seen that video of the worst Doves on screen and it's just like I don't want to be one of those people but she really helped just just guide the whole process and and I really kind of leaned on her on set. She was very receptive to me asking questions and and and just asking her experiences and she is just very open and yeah, I love her. I love her so much. Yeah now because she's part of a different world than a lot of your scenes are. Have you had a chance to work with her before? This is like your first time really this was really like my first time working with her. Yeah. Yeah, but we had met before hand. Like I had seen her like, you know on set before and you know, she was she was shadowing the direct the directors beforehand. And just to get prepared so I was able to just to be on set with her and before and during and yeah, super cool someone in the chat says that that was actually a very iconic Canary death didn't even think about ikt Canary death. So oh, yeah, it's very similar to like the ways that she had died before. So yeah and and Brandon 52 says it looked good you performed amazing. Oh, thank you. Thanks guys. Yeah sure. It means a lot and she'd your questions in the chat. Ooh. Yeah, especially let me know. What is your opportunity to ask some questions guys. I wanted to ask please. I'm super like what is it? Like like we're all actors and entertainers here and so just like whenever again it's like I we get so excited for you from like the fans of the show, but also what was it like for you last year for all of you really like stepping into this show that's already a mammoth that literally is. The Catapult of this entire universe and they're like, oh you're by the way you're not playing a waitress or whatever is awesome. Your planet Canary like yeah, what was that whole experience for you when you found that out? Wow, well through the audition process. I was auditioning for a completely different character. Hmm. Yeah. So when I actually booked the show, I didn't know who I was going to be playing until I got that phone call saying, okay. Congratulations. This is who you're actually playing. And if you're gonna make a canary and whatever, yeah, yeah 100% they're very hush-hush about the casting process. But I mean it was I mean this role is talk us through that process though. Like first of all, who did you think you were like, what type of character do you think you are? And what was the process like? Yeah. Okay. Well, let's see. I don't remember what their name but so the the whole story was she was scpd in training. Yeah and Dinah Drake Captain Drake was my was training me. Okay, so that would those were like the scenes and then they kind of switched up the story to where my mother was still alive and she was still dealing with her drug addictions and so is our relationship as well. So they're really awesome meaty scenes and I was just like, oh, yeah, you know, this is like, you know, this this feels really good. Good and when I booked out I was like, oh it's really excited. And then she gave me this call and I was like even more excited. I was like what's up? I couldn't even I couldn't even imagine something as huge as this, you know, I yeah, I feel really honored to to be able to play such a such a strong female hero. Yeah Hugh Jackman and as I mean as an actor, I mean you kind of have to just go in it. Just thinking this is This is just another job. This is this is this is your your passion your love you you kind of have to not really think about the the what is it that this the huge Ranger Grand how big the show is basically just you kind of have to put that away. You gotta just go and do your work and that's all you can can really do and it's still kind of hitting. Me how big this role really is and I'm just like wow, I guess, you know, I was ready for it and got it placed it into my life for a reason and I just feel really blessed piano backing kind of off what Matt said you were going into this playing an adult version of a child did you? Like what kind of work did you do in studying? Younger Zoey are like looking at her mannerisms. Did you do any of that or did you kind of just go in? I'm going to be kind of a different Zoe. Um, well I for sure watched all of her episodes to do. Yeah, some see what her vibe was how she grew up and I mean she was still so young that she was still being influenced substantially at that time. In her life, so when he jumped 20 years later A lot happened in between that time. She's she went through a lot. And so I mean she grew up just kind of watching her father become as this hero and you and little Zoe being like, okay you are my freaking hero and and I want to be just like you and and I want to make you proud and save the city. So I think her her biggest passion growing up was being there for her City and and for her community and working as a team. And and so yeah. Yeah, I so watching you talk about it. You can tell it's still it's just still in you. Yeah that you know, and it's like a because we did you film this. Let's see. Not that long ago Anika a month or two about two months two and a half mile. Wow, that's nice. Oh, yeah, so there's still like I'm imagine there's a lot of like coming down for that for sure. I have a couple questions on the chat so Matt sham low says, who was your bestie on set? Oh, I can't they're all my best. Okay. I am so super close with all of my Co actors, but I'd say I spend the most time with Ben Lewis who plays William we really bonded a lot he was the first Flash Forward like like adult character that I met and worked with and you know, we're all in Vancouver shooting and all we want to do the you know, we get really bored and we go to dinner we go out go dancing and so you have been That's my home. That's a homey. Shout out your physical Instagram. Yeah, I'll do one more inhuman Quake says, what was it like doing the fighting and the action scenes? I was gonna yes and you train did you prepare for this or you already and um, you know as though it doesn't really do too much action and the seventh season. She like barely did anything happen. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna punch you but you do get to see her kick some ass obviously in the eighth season. But they didn't really put me through training. They kind of like were they I was just like, okay when I read the script I was like looks like there's a little action here a little action there. I was just like what are they gonna call me go in? Well when you get on set, they're just like okay, here's a stunt double and she's gonna teach you this moving this move this move. So you have about an hour and go get it done. Yeah. Yeah like the choreography and everything. Yeah. Wow, and it's actually kind of cool that way. I work well under pressure good and and I'm you know, I'm Nathalie myself. I played softball for like 15 years now. That's yeah and I was just ready I was ready for it was prepared mentally and physically and I was just like up for the challenge and I came on pretty good. Yeah, but it's so fun. It's so fun to be able to play with it being. Known to fight with a Bo Staff and yeah that kick when I kick JJ away from Mia originally That was supposed to be my stunt double and I was just like dude. Come on. I've been working on my kicks like I'm ready for this and so they're like, okay sure. Do you can kick and you can't really see it's not the greatest angle when I saw it. I was like dang girl, and I have to go back and do slow-mo of that and just that little You have to do a slo-mo of it. I know I want to I want to go back in like I clearly know nothing about bikes. And then and the the JJ's stunt double he was just like just go for it. Just it was full force as strong as you can like don't hold back. I was like, okay and it's just like the most invigorating feeling and just like the most power finger and just like yeah, I'm strong and I know what a kick ass. Literally. Yeah. So yeah, super freaking fun. I love I love the action. Yeah stuff. Yeah, Brandon 52 says Andrea is such a crush elal so much. Love to you guys know really well love to you for coming in and joining. Sure, really really glad to have you share. I mean, I just do want to shout out for for those of you as someone who's lost. Hi. I want to shout that out. Yeah, do you have you seen that? Yeah. Well, I long story short but I started a camp summer camp for queer Youth and LOL weld 18. So awesome. They know you girl like they love that. So we're gonna break Trails but East Los, I started a web series now, it's on Hulu. Yeah, right and how many seasons is it now? It's got full Four Seasons and 1/5 just like finish the series off hour-long episode and really cool like adjust for anybody out there. Not only the character you get to play is somebody who have someone of color coming out on television and I think that's such an important story that is not told enough and that we need to see and I mean really when you think about that too if somebody love the comics so much like Black Canary's always like a white blond woman. So I love that they're like, let's mix up so Like a superhero and so like everything you do you're like I'm gonna be such a role model for people. So that's really cool for you. I'm sure you have a lot of little girls tweeting you and instagramming you and that's got to feel really awesome. Thank you. Yeah, oh feels so great. I've heard, you know many stories of how Jocelyn has given them the courage to really just be themselves and and and stand for who they really are and and and not be afraid of what other people think because we are all so perfect and our own we're all perfect and then in our divine way and and we shouldn't allow other people's influence to dampen our our spirit and and and our authentic selves and so to play her was just an honor because yeah, I do know that she really made an impact in a lot of you Girls and boys lives and so yeah. Yeah and they can still see you. So Jostens our character nice while Sean Flynn. Yeah sure to check that out on who I'm yes. Yeah. That was like perfect timing. I think that was my phone. So sorry guys, pretty sound. Yeah magical. Yeah. Well we're going to skip news and gossip because I feel like you are so much more way more than any of that stuff, but we do have to do predictions for what we think is going to happen in the next episodes AfterBuzz TV. Russians, oh we have to think of mine. Okay, I gotta go. Okay, go please. My prediction is Renee is going to find out next episode house all he dies and I think Renee's going to like, you know, how it's kind of like been calm and cool. I think he's going to like totally go AWOL like old-school Mad Dog full of gold. They never know. It's a honey. I'm like the leader and I'm supposed to be like always I feel like I said all my predictions really I mean Renee is going to be overprotective actually are said one you're coming back and the canary because he's gonna change history and you'll be back. Yeah. I'll let the producers we'll just tell them that's what's happening. And also my prediction to piggyback on that is that Theo will be back in every episode. That's not gonna happen. Huh? Not gonna happen so mean, I know no one could wish you predict about a situation that maybe you're not well informed about it says 'he from under contract to say it I think That Zoe's death is gonna have a very strong impact on every egg character and looks very pretty. I really have no I just hope everybody just starts getting along. That's all. And everyone's going to live in peace. Yeah, my prediction William will be OverWatch in present time. Brandon says my prediction is that the next episode will be a big one for Mia being able to meet your dad is something that everyone with the dead parent would want. I just brought the sorry. Well anyway. It up a little bit. I mean that previews pretty fire. Yeah, it just makes you just it breaks your heart. Yeah, like what the hell happened? I think this is one of the most exciting exciting things about that in the eighth season so far. Yes of tough. Definitely big time. All right guys. Yeah toast. 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No one is chilling on this panel because we have the 2040 Canary, actor Andrea Sixtos. Andrea is talking about playing Zoe Ramirez and what's next for her!!!!! Join Alikona Bradford, Olivia de Bortoli, and Matt Marr as the react to Zoe's epic episode! ABOUT ARROW: Arrow is an American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg. It is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. It premiered in North America on The CW on October 10, 2012, with international broadcasting taking place in late 2012. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen, portrayed by Stephen Amell, who, after five years of being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Unlike in the comic books, Oliver does not go by the alias "Green Arrow" in the television series. Arrow also features appearances by other DC Comics characters.

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We've got a couple of big rumors and some videos from xia strip down to Comic-Con and let's not forget to wish Marvel. Happy 80th birthday. We'll talk about this in more Mortal TV weekly. Starts Now You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now let the hey, it's Marvel TV. Weakly. I'm Christian black that over there. That's not me in the corner. That's not real Spotlight. That's the end of saying. Oh, oh my God, that's not you in the spotlight. Hi IM Z Anderson, and we have a lot to talk about so I'm really excited. Right about the show. Usually not usually you're like I can't believe I got it. I know I don't lay in a Sunday. Mostly it's just because it's your here nor Mike. That's the way you know, everybody in the chat is thinking exactly the same thing right now, but one of the things we're going to do is we are going to talk about your time down at Comic-Con with some exclusive videos. That's a we didn't have time to show last week. I never had heard. We had a lot of fun showing off some of your interviews and if people didn't check them take a moment to talk about some of the You talk to and where they can find them. Oh, okay. So everything you can find on YouTube. I did get to interview interview. That's the word. I'm looking for Jim Starlin who created Thanos he created Drax. He'd created Gomorrah. He's not create Adam Warlock as I found out while I was interviewing him. Look I did a lot of research has a lot but that went escaped me so that you can find on YouTube. That's one of the popcorn talk. I also got to interview Jeff Ward who you might know as a Yes. Yes, and for some reason her name always thank you guys in the chat there just saying welcome back and I'm back. Hello. Thank you. Want to share with the rest of the class. Don't just don't just pass a note back to write just gamer girl whoever's in there. Yeah, and for some reason her name always I just refer to her as Daisy in my head, Chloe Bennet, Chloe Bennet. Yes, both of them the same time that was really fun. There's so much fun. They were having a lot of fun in that Ford is just like happy too happy to be there guys. Got which I love so much because his energy is so great. Ming-na Wen and Clark Gregg. That was a really fun one. What did what did she say to you before the interview started see walkouts means she said look at you. You're so cute. And I was like, yeah so agent May who beats people up all the time. Thought you were cute. So it took a lot for her to think something's cute. No and she was the absolute sweetest. Also by the way, the original voice of Mulan. Did anyone know that no. Yeah. Yes. Oh I'm guy had right. Wow. So that was exciting. And then also I got to talk to Jeff Loeb who is basically the head of Marvel TV. And another Jeff who is a writer on the show the other Jeff. I forget there's Jeff and Jeff. Yeah, so you can find all that stuff. Well, actually I guess I need the Jim Starlin one was for popcorn talk. But then all the other ones are the AfterBuzz if you click on the channel that says right carpets we mentioned that last week. We showed little Snippets from each of those. Anyway, we'll talk a little bit more about your time at Comic Con in a moment, but I want Get to some big news. The first is that we have a season 3 teaser. It's not really a trailers a little teaser trailer for runaways. And the first thing that I'll talk about is that at the end of it it mentions that season 3 premieres December 13th. Now season 1 they dropped like three of them in and they did the rest week-to-week season 2, they dropped them all at once right before Christmas. It drove me crazy took me forever to get to it. Remember that I couldn't quite tell what they were. Doing this time. Maybe they don't know yet. I would like I would be so happy if they didn't put all of them at once. What did it's not Christmastime know we've got too much going on, but I think it's probably because I'm not part of the demographic the demographic they're going for is like on Christmas break and they're probably like, oh my God, this is so great. I have a whole like superhero show of you know, my age brackets to watch. So I guess I'll catch up whenever I can but I'm excited that it's back. And by the way next week is the season finale of As a shield and we've only got a couple more episodes of Legion. So as far as we can tell there will be no Marvel TV until December 13th. Not this show we're going to find stuff to talk about let's talk about will be no new episodes on TV. So look, let me know. How actually let me know how you guys feel about this in the comments below. I know we talked about it in the comments Below in the chat and in the comments, you know, I know we talked we like briefly talked about this and we did not decide on anything. How would you feel if I went back? I went back and watched older. Seasons of Agents of Shield and we talked a little bit about that. I think that's a great idea that something you guys are interested in because I need to I would re-watch best I could to I would try to you know, keep up with you and see something that I really want to get to Ghostwriter because he was brought up in this last episode brought up Robbie race and Ghost Rider and I was like really hoping we see him in in the season finale I'm back. That's that's really what I want. Can something be like help us, please Robbie. Yeah, we need we need help. So let's talk a little bit about that teaser trailers. You watched it. And what are your thoughts xia will just look like everybody was messed up and I honestly had no idea what was going on. They were doing something some sort of some sort of ritual like in somewhere and their house. I don't know it was basically chaotic. It was just a quick teaser. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. So I saw and I looked at it and in case you didn't see it, it's not really spoilery because I don't think it's anything. Thing that really happens it looks like chases having a dream and everybody's like almost dead and they're about to sacrifice Gert and one of their little rituals there on the floor at their house. And then again, none of that would be happening. I mean, everybody's sure could be almost dead. This could be a premonition, but I don't think that that's going to be something that's actually happening in the season. I mean, it could be something that they're worried about that maybe almost happens, but I don't know. I just don't feel it. But I love Know what you thought for any of you who saw the the teaser trailer and I'm seeing in the chat That season 3 all episodes are going to be at once. Well, that's great. I'll watch like two of them before Christmas and we'll see what happens. But in any case it's it's good to have a date for it because I remember the last year it was right before Christmas. So I kind of thought maybe we'd get in December, but I think I think I'll be getting out xia. You have a little bit of a complicated relationship with The Runaways. Yeah. Yeah, it's not my favorite. It's but it is by no means my least favorite. She'll there's that exact look and yeah. All right, even though that last season did start to grow on me in the second half of it. Yeah. I don't know that I need another but their season of fucking daylight. They haven't officially announced they have it but I have a feeling that there were almost like I can feel like we'll get that. It's been successful enough other people aren't as bah humbug as I am and in runaways is just you know, I just We love Nico. We love me cuz you let me go I do love me go. She's like the Saving Grace for me in that show. Yeah Kurt bothers me a little bit. I do like Old Lace of dinosaur. Yeah, you know if it turned into like a like a buddy cop sort of road trip show where it was Old Lace not driving. Although that would be amazing. I would be that's great and Nico, that'd be a good show for that's it. Yeah, that's assemble. The rest of them can go. Looking for anyway, so excited that we have a date, you know will probably start to learn a little bit more as we get a little bit closer and I saw John and James mentioned in the comments, you know, when we have all these weeks where there aren't new episodes of Marvel shows that we could focus on the comics. I mean, there's a lot that we can do. I think there's a lot we can talk about the time we can talk about, you know past episodes of shows. We like what we can also bring in the comics and it'll be I think A lot of those lists. I think those are fun episodes where we you know, I love this show where we pick our favorite things. Yeah, that's always fun. It's like a nice trip down memory lane to but even when there's not actual TV news, there's news that ties into the TV Universe. They were a couple of rumors that I saw over the weekend in a few different place and I always try to take these with Galactus size grain of salt. That's their big one. That is an enormous size grain of salt like if you Think about him putting a putting salt on the earth before he ate it it would be huge. It would crush everybody like Rhode Island. He would just shake it out and a lot of these come from websites that are looking for click bait and they reference Anonymous sources, but it makes for your conversation. So I this is one of those times where I actually don't like to credit The Source because I think they just did it for the attention, but I'm going to take it. Anyway, if you Google this, you'll see it out there. I think. They're spread two things one is that Daredevil would be rebooted as an MCU Fountain see that and I wanted to get your reaction to that that for anyone who can't see him the table banging on the table. I read that I read that are that same article and was like, you have no real Source, but I want this to be true so badly right at the same time. They're talking about recasting. And again, this is a hunt like you said a giant grain of salt, but I just I don't know. No, Charlie Cox has such a great day. But just don't you just do me a favor. Just don't cast Ben Affleck again. I think that it's a safe bet that no one's going to Aspen out now because a superhero again. I think I think we've tried but I didn't think he was a bad bad man. I liked him as an old woman not his fault those movies weren't great. Yeah, right exactly. It's not like the problem was like well Batman's old. Yeah. It wasn't Batman. Injili. I don't know about the wetted animator says There's no Daredevil reboot coming. You're probably right but but we want to pretend that's an idea I think idea that it starts to make a little bit more sense. And because there was a separate also click beta article that said that they were developing Heroes for hire for a movie which Heroes for hire would be of course Power Man and Iron Fist Luke Cage and any rent and I would love to see all these characters back and I think there's something to be said for the idea of having them in the movies just make us a Defenders movie right but I think they would recast every one and only I find it hard to imagine that they would use the same cast. I think though if they had if they kept anybody it would be Krysten Ritter because that I feel like is pretty tough to replace Jessica Jones. Yeah, the other ones you're like, yeah, you can probably get away with you know, I don't dare devil, man, and also the Punisher I just did just oh they're just so good. He's the one that I think of the even if it Each to and if it took them like five years to get up Punisher movie together. I think Jon Bernthal would still be available. Frank can be a little bit older. It doesn't matter. Actually. It doesn't you could be making Punisher Movies 20 years from now and I think they'd still work and I actually agree with you old man punch stuff be great like Old Man Logan. Yeah. Yeah. So I've Loved old man Punisher. In fact, let's put that out in the universe. Let's get old man Punisher as a comic of movie TV show whatever you want to do. So I think that it would make sense that we would see these characters in movies somewhere down the line. These are very valuable characters, especially Daredevil and to a lesser extent Power Man and Iron Fist, but I think that that's where we when we see them again. I think they'll be in films and you know, that could be like phase seven, but I still think we'll see it. Yeah, and then maybe they can do another deal with Sony and we can get some Daredevil and Spider-Man action going on, please. Yes, right, that'd be great. So I don't know the end look the the main point. Of the articles I guess I should use air quotes because they're quick bit but was this idea that clearly they don't consider the Netflix shows to be part of the MCU. Yeah, and I've said this before when dr. strange opens all those portals and end game and the The Defenders don't come out of one of them. You're like, okay, so I guess this really they're really not like legit right of it, even though they reference, you know, they're at the New York bulletin were Karen Works they have Framed newspapers about the attack on New York and all this other stuff. You get the feeling that they're just like yeah, we're gonna especially now they're no longer making them like we're going to kind of forget those. Yeah, we're going to take a look at these characters and does that bother you and are you still able to be excited about seeing these characters in the movie side? I mean, I would say yeah, I would absolutely still be excited to see them in the movie side just because I think they're great characters and you could you can take them and reboot if you're going to reboot it you could reboot it and it would still be fine there. Doctors that worked really really well as a as a show because you got to do like really great character Arts throughout a bunch of episodes in a season. The only thing that I would say is like recasting is going to be tough, but I'm sure they're going to do a good job. Honestly Marvel and Disney has not let me down with casting. There's not been one cast like casting call that they've made where I'm like, that sucks. I know there's been some where you're just like, okay, I guess right then you see it and like all that work that works like whatever it is. They managed to figure Get out it's going to be I don't know. I think it's going to be fine. It is a little bit annoying. They didn't acknowledge it and the MCU though. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, but we'll see and again, we don't have a lot of faith in the reliability that information because it I think that it actually says in there. Well, someone told me and I'm like, alright. Nobody told you anything stop like you don't have friends. Okay, you don't have friends a little bit a little bit more. TV related news one is that Disney plus will be available as an add-on to Hulu so snack it'll be one of the you know, you'll have to spend a little bit more but I think it won't be the full 599. I said don't think that's how it'll work. But maybe it will whatever the case look I'm getting it no matter what? Yeah. Yes, and I was so excited to think that I could avoid getting it until the Marvel content started, but then right here on this panel last week. Our friend Zack Wilson was sitting in and he reminded me that the Mandalorian the Star Wars show is going to be on when it starts. Yep. So that's going to be any reason I have two kids to Disney and especially if they have Duck Tales on there. I'm like for my son although I look I'll I'm going to watch DuckTales. It's going to be me and Felix sitting on the couch chilling watching DuckTales. Yeah. Well Webbie's is favorites. You ready for that? Yeah. So anyway, I think that's cool. Yeah and are you Wouldn't your thoughts on Disney plus are you impressed enough? We like I guess it's another thing. I gotta find the $5.99 for whatever just lie. I was gonna get it. Anyway, first of all, my husband is 100% going to want to watch the Mandalorian. So and I'm going to want to watch it too. So we're getting it for that. No matter what and just all the other shows coming up. They had me when they're like, hey, we're gonna have Tom Hiddleston as Loki we're going to have Elizabeth Olsen is Scarlet Witch. We're gonna I mean just all of those Emily. Okay. Yep. Sure. You got my bed now. And I got you even doing this is like all the Hawkeye show isn't going to be about Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton as Hawkeye, but it was still in it. He still have it though. So on it and we've got Falcon and Winter Soldier. We've got the you know, we've got Sebastian Stan we've got Anthony Mackie. So I'm yeah, those shows are going to be great there to be like totally cool with all of them take my money Disney. He already do you know, and I'm sure there's going to be a bunch of other random Disney stuff on there. I'm going to want to watch maybe I'll watch one of the live action remakes one day maybe A lot of singing. Yeah, there's a lot of things. I mean, I mean I saw the Beauty and the Beast and I think I tapped out on the live-action remake. It's remakes after that. I don't think I didn't even watch that one really know I've learned. So what's our names in it from Harry Potter. I know and I almost did because of that and danwstephens. Also by the way is the Beast and Stevens as the Beast is actually pretty great because I had a theory that I was pitching at the time that that was actually kind of like a hallucination of David hollers that he imagined that he was the because that's like, he's sizing he saw the Cartoon movie and then he's like something that was me one other piece of news that is interesting. There have been a couple of accidental possible leaks about season 7 of Agents of Shield. So because this could be a little spoilery. I guess I should ask if people want to cover their ears. The first one happened a little while ago and I didn't even know I just didn't notice it. At all, but there was an on-set photo where everything was made up to look like it was the 40s and then your best friend thinks you're adorable. Ming-na Wen posted that because they're actually filming the series finale right now, even though it's for next summer. And I know Chloe Bennet has posted the other day. I think maybe tomorrow's the last day and whatever it is very emotional because she's been on since episode one. So, you know, Very good me. A lot of them have a lot of the cast has really been a long the whole time except for you dig. But anyway, we like him nonetheless great. But anyway, I think that what I mean, I went pointed out was that I guess a lot of I don't know is a wrap gift. They all got these really nice bikes and you were able to read who got them, like bicycles bicycles like not, you know, like pretty you know, and if you think about those bikes, you know, if it's a it's like a mountain bike that sort of bike they could be like a thousand dollars. Yeah. That's pretty it's a nice wrap gift. I remember for TV show. I worked for I got an iPod and that was pretty exciting. That's really cool as backward iPods cost like $250. Yeah, remember that. Yeah, right and you know, it would like for of your phone but still if you could have like a thousand songs on there which at the time you're like, oh my God, I can have it thousands there. I was I was like Star-Lord when he got the zoo and oh my goodness. Yeah. But anyway, so so there's a rumor and interpretation That season 7 of Agents of Shield can and perhaps might include a crossover with Agent Carter and we would assume that that was Horace include Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter now very theoretical but Seems like it could be likely your thoughts xia if we get if that's what season 7 is Agents of Shield. Well, I'm going to start this by saying I have not watched Agent Carter, it's fine. That's so we've got a lot of months. You've got a lot of stuff to watch. I don't have a horse in this race. I have a feeling other people are really excited for it because I do like people seem to I do I love her in the movies. I really do and Hayley Atwell is fantastic. Sure. Really Agent Carter. Is it like legitimately good show. It's another one of those that I kind of didn't give a chance when I was like, I think I think they're both good. I personally I prefer to season one but season 2 was also very good. But I thought season 1 was pretty close to Great - season 2 again not bad, but I like I preferred season one and I think they're also I think both seasons are on Hulu to season two seasons. Okay, so that's that's quick thing 26-episode. That's not too bad. So those aren't like to 8 because you know Agents of Shield most seasons are like 22-episode. Yeah. I know that's what like and it was going through time to where I had very little time and I was like, oh there's Away, so let us know what you think in the chat. Do you want the big crossover veins and shield even if there's a little indifferent and let us know where you're seeing. Are you seeing any Rumblings of what people are saying 99 says I will be pissed. If no one from Agents of Shield shows up on any movie Greg was in Captain Marvel, but and that's kind of going to be all you get I think in all honesty, I agree with you, that would be great if they made some Acknowledgment, but we just a minute ago were talking about it. They kind of have discounted the Netflix shows. Yeah, you know, they sort of like like a fever dream all the TV shows really I do think that we'll never have the real sense that Agents of Shield is fully Cannon part of the MCU, even though they treated it like that the first couple Seasons. Yeah. I think the show has been great the last couple years because they haven't worried so much about that, you know. Yeah, just let it take take it let it Where you want it to go? Well, who would Wang says wait Jarvis wasn't end game. So there is that. There there is that I mean Jarvis is a character. That's a little easier to do with I think once you once you bring Daisy and then the idea that you know, she's her in human parents and all that. It starts to bring a lot of things because you know what the one thing that it seems like everybody's going to Discount is speaking of Television the Inhumans TV show Everybody's just going to look at that can like that didn't happen. I think is what that's going to be. And also Jenna James does say season 1 of Agent Carter was great. Yes. Oh, that's good. Okay, cool. I'll have to check that out. Yeah, and the the reason why I didn't say the actor's name that showed up because I knew I was going to get it wrong and then I looked it up and I'm like, oh, yeah, right. It's really hard to say. So one of the bikes that may not when posted in her story which has since been deleted but the internet being the internet somebody grabbed it and vergas yokas. Who played Daniel who was essentially Peggy's boyfriend they were basically well, that's basically what they did and now because of an game I'm like, all right, what were you going to do about that? Yeah, that's he they she dumped him. That's what I'm guessing Steve walked up and she's like k bye. Yeah. It's like I was so nice knowing you all. You're such a nice guy. Yes, you're going to make somebody really happy, but you don't want somebody else not. Anyway, we'll talk more about Agents of Shield and also Legion in our Moments here. But I did want to share some of the fun videos and photos that xia has from Comic-Con and xia. We actually we didn't talk about it on this show. No, we didn't we talked about it on my personal plot podcast podcast is what some people call it because it does move along so slowly so that was really what the two of us out. It was a Friday and shape. It is a bit of a podcast. You can find it at Black House Bill ADT Cas T. We talked a lot about what you did there. It's the interviews and I actually was able to put the audio of these interviews in there too. So it's little bit of One-Stop shopping got a black cast. I can't be a lady TCA st.com. Now, we've got some photos though. Let's take a look at some of those first and any that you feel like neat explanation. Go ahead for those watching on YouTube. You can just see somebody is happy to be at Comic-Con. Yeah. No, that's just me being really excited. And this is Ryan by the way, our producer in the booth took these photos and the videos we We toured around Comic-Con together for a bit and it was super fun. Yeah, this is just me being really happy outside of Comic-Con. Yeah, no exactly dated and the best thing about just being accomplished related. There's so much but there's so much cost. All right Santa's just rolling around. That is a good good at right. I'm not saying that this is one of those but my favorite when you're at something like Comic-Con and somebody has an amazing costume, but then they have like a fanny pack on over it. Thousands of dollars to be Darth Vader or Thanos or whatever and you're like, you know, and that's what happens a lot of times too. When you have like the costume characters that want you to charge you money to take pictures with them like here on Hollywood Boulevard or in Times Square, New York. But anyway, so what are some of the videos and Ryan I'll let you introduce with the first one is because I'm not quite sure what order we have these then before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. 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He's doing the Tony glasses and look you can say You're Gonna Save a lot of money by not having to get the helmet. So I think that that's pretty smart. And yeah the these got the facial hair. I know I think that he's probably just think he's winning with a picture and he's like it do all this to me and I think it's great I and oh my gosh is that yes, look at that. Yeah and my Yep, Miles Morales. Yes. Yes. It's a great spider one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's great strange. There's Thor little crew. Yes. It was so good. It was so fun. Yeah, it looks like you guys had a lot of fun and Ryan you were only there for one day, right, but you okay. So you made the most of it. Yes. Anyway, very exciting. And we look forward to you going back next year and who knows who you'll be able to know who knows what announcements await us. I know anyway, and do you know any movie news that's out there. You can see Z and I talked about this Thursday at 1:00 Pacific over on a Marvel movie news. Our friend Zack Wilson will be on assignment. I believe deep undercover for shield, but our friend Angelica Trey who I was on the Twilight Zone panel with will be Sitting in so that'll be a fun conversation. So and yes, we are going to talk about that deleted scene from endgame that why we will not comment on here. We're saving that conversation because it's kind of going to be a lot of the show. I get a lot of reactions to it. Anyway, let's talk about Agents of Shield which we had that possible teaser about next season, which is starting to make sense actually because they're dealing with the monolith and they're building towards this big conclusion for next week. Two-hour season finale I can see a time travel ass but look they did space last year. Let's do time travel in the last season with that. So I think that would be great overall thoughts on this episode and where the season has been building to xia. This is a great episode. I really like what the season has been built to this episode. We finally got all of the answers. Yeah. I don't have any other questions except for where's it going to go? And I'm just excited to see where it goes. Yeah. I liked him nice and the the effect for what Sarge does that was? Part of the Ghost Rider thing which you would have seen in season 4 and I'm sure you will see. Yeah, I feel like that's where you're gonna go next. That's what see how did you know because they're part of my talk about me didn't ya so that's all we talked a lot outside of the show. Yes, we do that much. That's not true. We do talk about so yeah, I think you know this there was a lot packed into this episode. But when you think about it, you know, the big stuff is all coming in the next two weeks. Well, sorry the next week's two episodes know my God. Yeah, and I think I didn't realize that until the end when they were like next week's two-hour season finale. I'm like, oh, okay. So that's it. That's it. So we're going to spend a lot of next week's show going over the this whole season That season finale and the you know our expectations for season seven and our friend Rachel Goodman who is from the Agents of Shield after show. She'll be sitting in here again, great and she'll bring all that all that Shield Insight because I think she's secretly as Shield agent. And clearly she I think she is too what he knows too much. Right one of my favorite things about the episode though was watching Deke work with Fitz and Simmons and he thought it was funny early in the episode when somebody referenced team Fitzsimmons. I'm like, why did they just say Fitzsimmons? I'm like, oh right because Deeks part because he's part of the team. What did you think about watching Deke interact with the team? Okay. First of all, it was adorable. He's so cute. Yeah, and he's it was just adorable watching him to in the background when they're kind of brainstorming trying to figure out what's going on and you hear you Like oh it might be this that it on. He's like, yeah, I could definitely be that and then Simmons goes no. No, it can't be that. He's like, oh, yeah. No. No, I can't be like disagree with them in the background was just too funny. He's just super excited. Yeah, he's just happy to be there and there was kind of a surprising moment the interaction with Sarge where Daisy just flat-out kills him. Yeah. She's like, well, he's gonna come back to life. We want to see how that works. Were you surprised at all that she went that far that it was that drastic. No, I thought she was just gonna hurt him. I thought she was just going to care but you for a bit and then nope. It's a sergeant dead. Again. He's probably wakes up. He's like I'm tired of dying. What the hell you guys seem pretty angry. Yeah, but I did like that interaction a lot and I just think they boy they really flip-flop on that. It was it it bothered me only a little bit the way it kind of took away from from Daisy's sort of conviction that yeah that wasn't her Coulson and and then in the end she I knew it was going to happen and you know what it was. It was very like I saw it happening. It wasn't very Like they didn't get me with it no hard time and it was a nice callback because before she realized her name was Daisy she went by Sky. So the fact that Sarge called her sky and it's not something that he would have any way to know unless he had been part of being Coulson. So it was it was a nice moment. For those of us have been with the show from the beginning. Yeah. There's a there's a soon as we saw was that hashtag Busia going on in the chat because I've been seeing all of the epi. All of this season, but you know, that's the impressive thing that you can jump in and season six and still really get his wrapped up and excited about these characters. Yeah don't boo her because you blew her if she said he was like, yeah, I don't watch that. I don't watch it and I hate it right if you had done sir. That's not true. It's not true as you'll absolutely not true. Yeah. No, it's a it's easy to kind of get caught up in these characters and that's a good thing. Like you said you come in on season six. I can only imagine how attached people get after watching all Seasons so ya know the the Fitz and Simmons the road to them getting together will drive you crazy and our friend Amy sander Martinez who watched like a hundred of the episodes in the space of like a few weeks amazing. She like really, you know went through that that emotional roller coaster very quickly. So I thought it was very funny. So and you know, there's really going to be a lot that happened in next week because we also see that The comic-con's are tired of listening to you at ARA and they're also going to come back which means that you know, we're going to once again come back together because that's a storyline that hasn't really Fallen away entirely. But we just you do this is L was at the Forefront so it's gonna all come to head next Friday and starts at 8 o'clock, but it'll be for two hours are eight o'clock unless you live in the central time zone though. It's at 7:00, but that's when it's on and it's too. Two hours. So make sure to keep that in mind and we will talk about all that next week and we only have a little bit of time and if there's not anything in the chat other than people booing you we can move on to Legion know there's a lot in the chat going on, but it looks a lot of booing. They're like god dammit the yeah. No, it looks like they're really like getting very in-depth. But since we do only have a couple of minutes, yeah to get to Legion so much to talk about and as I mentioned before I am part of the panel for the legion after show here at AfterBuzz TV So you'll be able to find that next? No, not next tomorrow. Sorry. I was like wait, it's not maximum profit also be next Monday, but I'm talking about just tomorrow okay here and then it would be next. I've thought about it. I definitely thought about it. And that's the other crazy thing is that Legion is going to have its series finale August 12th. So we only have three more episodes is next three Mondays and that's why I'm saying that by the middle of August have anything new to talk about so we'll we'll let you know what we're in for but give us your thoughts on and we didn't really get you didn't get a chance to talk about last week's episode either chapter 23, sir. The temperature T 3 times 20 wasn't here and I watched both of them yesterday. There's just so it's there's so much going on. It's insane. It's but it's been it's been really really good. It's been it's been such a ride. I can't believe that this is the last season Legion is one of my more Our favorite Marvel TV shows that they've done. I love that. It's on FX. I love that. Noah Hawley is basically the one that's behind this because we wait creatively and creatively, you know raised, you know, his his Fargo which is amazing. I say is because I believe there will be another season at some point. But and this is this is on that same level and the fact that it's a superhero show tied into the X-Men universe and it's also like this. E of a show it was really impressive. Oh James, I'm sorry Z and Christian will either of you be covering Amazon's the boys. I will not because I most likely don't have time but I will be watching it and I will most likely yeah, I'm interested in that's why didn't you do an interview? I did I get a cut I did an interview with two of the cast members and that's also you can find on YouTube Sorry detour you guys miss you ever the boys after show. I should be tomorrow on AfterBuzz sci-fi go superheroes to the same channel that we're on right now as a nation we are right now perfect. Put pressure on your mind. You know, what time 2:00 p.m. Oh to Peter being Pacific for the first episode 3 p.m. For the second. Oh cool. I believe it's 5 p.m. To the third. Yeah. Well, I definitely want to check that out. But I just started good Omens finally. So now I have to get through that one episode in on that. Okay, actually my favorite moment from looked at looking back through my outcomes. We've talked about so much. Yeah my favorite moment from it was an episode 5 was we get to see Legion. Yeah. Yeah, he were they refer to them self and Legions engine. That's something that we're really excited about on the panel. We Are Legion. Yeah, I think that that was that was very important. And I think these two episodes have really gotten to the heart of the matter a little bit of pun intended. Unfortunately as with Sid and David I thought that they had a good interaction and then she of course tries to be sneaky and steals powers and problem. There is that there is the Legion of David and you're no match for the Legion of David. So unfortunately, no, but I did really love that moment when she is in David's mind and it's like where am I and they all come out and they're like, well, who is who is this? She's not us John. She's I really I really really like that moment. I really like that interaction. But yeah, she definitely made a mistake. I don't think that day. I think that David still loves her enough that he wouldn't actually hurt her right, but that's our David the other dads don't know her. That's true. They you know might just feel that she's somebody who's in the way and he's basically an obstacle to realizing their plan. Well in David is still basically stuck on his plan of going back and just fixing everything. Yeah. Well the episode ends and I wasn't ready for it to end because he David Gets which and they're going to go back in time and we don't see where and I'm like wait. I wanted I was ready for more. I actually like hit the fast-forward because I was like ready for the next segment and then like oh, that's next week. But now it's tomorrow. So I feel like I'll be I'll be able to wait. Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to be able usually I wait and watch it on the weekend just so it's like fresh or my mind because I don't do that by show exactly. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do that this time. I might just end up watching it twice right? Well, that's always that's always smart. Yeah, I think that's a that's a good idea. I'll probably do that with the series finale. Yeah, probably watch it twice so that we can really dive into that. I guess be great. That'll be what on August 18th of this. This show we will deal with the series finale of Legion. I wanted to ask you a question ask you a question that came out weird. I want to ask you a question about David and switch. Do you think that he cares about her at all? I don't think so think so I don't I don't see it. I think that look I don't I've talked about this before. I don't think that David is a bad guy. I think he's very very troubled and all he wants is love and Upton's but he's also very very selfish. And and that as the seasons got along. He's really gotten blinded towards Big Time and he also thinks it excuse his behavior that he's going to go back in time and fix everything. Yeah, he's being a little bit of a brat, right and we talked a lot about that on the legion after show this idea that it's like what does it matter if I kill people because when I go back in time, it'll be undone. Right? But you're still the person that did it. Yeah, and it says a lot about switch. Unfortunately. It's really sad. Sad because we see how much she wanted. You know, she even said in the season premiere that she sometimes wishes. She could be a robot because then her father would care about her and when I guess this is going back three episodes now or two. I don't know it's going back a few weeks when carry mail carry like rescues her. She's just like wait somebody cares about me enough to rescue me. This is amazing. So she was excited about that. Then David rescues her back from division three and she's like, oh my God, this is so great. Happy to see him anybody paying attention to her and it's so sad. It's really sad because you're literally used losing teeth because of this guy and so I'm wondering if we're going to see that play out over the next few weeks and fortunately I think it's going to not end well for switch, it's just a feeling that I have what they're building towards and I'm just wondering if she'll try to fight back against David at some point and you know, he can make her do it, I guess because he's a strong enough telepath. Yeah. I mean he made yeah male carry do one more time to do it. Yeah, and I thought it was interesting that we really got to see the extent of David's power because Farooq doesn't like with everybody else is doing in this episode. He very specifically called some coward calls them cowards and just tells David where they are. Yeah, because that's what he wants. I know I still don't understand how they're trusting Farooq I decide is he has he fooled? I'm tricking them. So that's what we've said just behind me showing and the after show. He is everybody has that little bug that crawled into the rear whatever it was. I guess that's in season 2 and if there's some kind of suggestion that he's not this terrible guy that he actually is and you can argue as to whether or not David's a good guy. I'll always say farook is a worst guy. Yeah, and I think that too and I think a lot of what I think I honestly think that if David does and the world it's going to be because they brought it about by turning against him. I really do and I don't think what he's doing a lot of what he's doing most of what he's doing is okay in any way right? But I do think that that he probably would not have taken this road or taking this turn if it hadn't been for them putting them on trial and him having to escape and feeling unloved and unwanted what she has in his entire life which at which is actually again really kind of sad because him and switcher very similar in that way, but they're not finding Common ground because she's just looking for someone to accept her and he's just looking to use her. So it's like it's unfortunate. Yeah, and speaking of unloved and unwanted. This has been a brutal couple episodes for Lenny. Oh God, totally could that one that actually like hit at that hurt. I was like, holy crap Lenny. Yeah. So and you know on this show people's Consciousness sort of lives on in the astral plane. So I feel like we will certainly see her again, especially in the series finale. So interested in seeing how it all plays out. Let us know. know what you think in the chat, but We are at a time for this week. 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For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by teach starter. We say teachers hours each week by bringing them quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms to make your classroom. Buzz got to teach stutter.com Need a little motivation on a Monday. Hi, I'm Jill and I'm Ron and we're experienced Primary School teachers. We get it join us for inspiration and encouragement to get you buzzing through the school week. This is the buzz. Hi everyone. Welcome to this week's episode of the bars. I'm here with Brawn. How are you going? Good, how are you? Yeah, I'm really good things good. I want to talk to you about something. I hope you haven't had your breakfast. Oh gosh, because I want to talk to you about some of the gross things kids can do. Oh school by Garth and you ask any teacher they've all got a story so many disgusting stories and you know many too many to count but I think that especially Before you have your own kids when you're sort of like a new teacher if you start in your career, it's just just blows your mind how gross children can be look it's a lot of fluids often and love and lack of control and look we do in the early years. We do teach a lot about personal hygiene in health or lessons some people, you know are more on to that than others, but I think that that's a good way to start your year. I can stay Eating some boundaries. Yes, probably learnt that a little bit later than I should have given my experiences and my first few years of teaching preps, but tell a story about one of your stories. Well, when I was thinking about this one that came to mind straight away was when I was teaching grade 1 and I had this little boy come up to me and he said Miss Snape, I don't feel very rare and it just Foam it came out everywhere and I was sitting at the desk and I had my like let my legs crossed and I was wearing ballet flats and it went down my jeans and just pulled in my shoes while I was trying and you don't want to make them feel worse. I was like, it's okay darling. It's okay, so I wasn't like, oh, you know grabbing my shoes off or anything cause I didn't want him to feel like, you know, really gross that it's right kind. So I was Rushing over to get tissues and things and my shoes were like squelchy. Oh Elena ballerina Flats, you know those ones and I'm so I'm just like going along and then after he had gone to Sick Bay and everything, I'd like the tissues. Don't try to clean out like in between my toes. No way. Oh my gosh. That is so bad. I don't know how you avoided having like a sympathy vote. Well, he'd had like a A slushie. Oh, so it was a green at lunch to so was just it wasn't great and it went on my computer to in the keys fruity. Oh, yeah, it went it was it was a it was a shooter like it shot over and directly call that it was very interesting. I had another one as well with I remember I'd only just started teaching and grade 1 again and I'd nailed down to help one of my kids and you know, he went to say something to him and he just turned and looked straight at me and will face to face and he just sneezed bear in my face. I'm like, I wear glasses we could both see it on the glasses. It was there was there was some biggest that was mekas was gonna say chunks, but I thought that was kind of gross. Gross, but I've said it now and so and again I didn't want to make him feel bad. So I didn't take them off straight away and clean them but looking at him I was looking through it to the so however Gothic after that as well, which you just know I was like well what two days and I'll have that one. Yes, Tommy years of teaching you get sick and then you build up a lifelong resistance. I think yes, definitely just on board with any my teacher immunity that you thank goodness. You were wearing those glasses. I don't know. It could have been a lot worse somebody in the eye. He did active II. Well, I was I was have anything against well, and I remember in my very first year of teaching I have some projects and look it got to flu season and I was swallowing through the classroom. I felt like a million dollars. I was wearing my new skirt. It was this back at that back then it was I don't know if you remember this, but they are high low skirt. And some people call them a mullet. Oh like kind of long it. The back but short and very flowy very boho, and I felt this little tug or resistance and I was thinking what's going on here if I caught myself on a chair or something turned around and this little man was using my skirt as a tissue. He was full blowing his nose right down into my skirt. And I sort of kind of like went. Oh, well, I can't sort of snatched away from him mid halfway through I just left and then I thought oh my goodness after we had like a A big chat about this situation and appropriate ways of blowing your nose using the many boxes of tissues spaced around the classroom. I first next brakes sort of like morning tea. I jumped in my car. I raced down to the local shopping center. There was nothing there was like a bakery a coals and activewear shop bought a pair of type. Oh my God, it was so gross. So the biggest lesson I learned that day was always have spare clothes in your car. So I got told that to after the vomit in the shoe. Someone said to me do you have Some clothes in your car and I was like no. No, why would I have but then I figured out why you would this is one great tip. Yeah. So if you're embarking on a new teaching career and you have an encounter one of these disgusting moments yet do put a little baggie of clothes in your car. Yeah, and you know, what if you've been vomited on or someone's used your closes at issue you can wear whatever you want. But yeah, you can have the most comfiest tracksuit pants in your car. Yep. That's you've done your time. What do you get to wear your tracksuit pants and your joggers and no one can say anything and plus? Anyone asks, you've got a really cool story to tell mounted on it. So let's not go Bull story really and I feel like maybe it does have to have no everyone. Yeah, I think it like a rite of passage. It's the beginning of a teaching career. You're not really a teacher until something disgusting has been wiped your spewing. What about the come out of the toilets and they want you to do it via shoelaces and the shoelaces are wet, but it hasn't been raining and you're like, wait a minute. Do you know what I had to take it? So dumb because I went like two to three whole years before I realized why the boys had wet shoe laces Bryce teacher aide who was my prep teacher aide said to me, you know why they're wet. Right and I was like, no. What is it? She's like it's we and I had to have it spelled out to me and then I was like like horrifically much is clear. You would have had on your head. I know and that she has a very absorbent absorbent absorbent Shaker. Yeah. Just hold a lot of weight so bad so bad. Oh, yeah. So on that note I do hope none of you are eating a breakfast today a little word of warning warning you kind of did I asked I was worried for you. Oh, yeah. No, I'm good. I've got four of my own now. Yeah, I'm all over that. But at the time horrific yes mortified, but actually I will say last weekend my one-year-old vomited in the middle of the night and some of it went in my mouth Jill. Oh my gosh, that's how I Got sick too. That's how we all had the stomach bug but because he like just went flying up in the air and I was going on so just keep your mouth closed as well could be another tip another good teaching tip. Yeah, we're all about the Practical tips here. Keep your mouth closed when it's flying towards you. That's a good one, too. I can honestly say that has an in 10 years of parenting that has never happened to me. Thank goodness. Oh, maybe I'm like in the minority. Yeah. Hmm. I'm gonna say that. Well there you go wasn't great. I don't want to do it again. No least it was your babe and not someone elses because there's something really really disturbing about another child. That's not from your family's. Yes in some way. I figure I suppose it made him so great. On that note. Yeah, we really hope nothing happens to you today. Yes, there's no you to vomit free day. Yeah, and if it does it's fine because you'll have a really funny story to tell one day. Yes. This is shared around in the staff room. Bye guys. Bye. Thanks for joining us for another episode of The Buzz bite each data. We look forward to bringing you. Next week's dose of teacher inspo until then. Just remember you've got this.

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He takes us step-by-step through what he took into each round who he faced and how he ended up taking first. Enjoy. There are you things better than stepping away from the screens unplugging and sitting around a table to do battle with your friends every week third floor Wars brings you the latest strategies tactics and reviews on board games card games and miniature games. Like malifaux if you want useful information on the games you already play or new insights on great games other people are playing you are in the right place Greg and Ray welcome you to the third floor and the tabletop talk broadcast. What is going on everybody Ray Flynn here from the third floor. And today we're going to discuss young low. I recently pie. I would hit piloted him in a tournament going three rounds undefeated and was able to take the first-place victory there. So just want to go through and talk about each of the rounds. I played the opponent's I played against are at least two factions that I played against and what determines some of my decisions and why I took what I took so we're going to go right into round one with standard deployment Turf War plan against bio. So I initially had a plan of coming into this tournament and running three Masters. I wanted to run young low turn one. It was standard Turf War. We were running the fifth round of the Nova open which was Corner plant explosives which screened Molly to Maine and then round three was flanked corrupted Idols, which I Felker I was the correct pick into what ended up happening was due to my opponents some of those plans changed, but for round one, I stuck with the initial plan of Ian. Whoa going into this it was against bio and I would find out against mod Tucket and because I never They really played against my wanted to play a little bit more safe than I might have normally done. So I stuck with my normal plan of toshiro hired a Mindless zombie to summon off of Turn one and get me that ashigaru. I also summon the nausea Garo with grapes are hired a cigar with a great spirits touch. I believe a go Kudo chiaki his ammu. I think that it's I might be missing something here are there and then of course we got the the soul Porter. My mom took it opponent rot. Big Brain Brain, of course, Trixie Bell a couple of rooster writers because they're absolutely broken right now. And you had a Bushwacker I want to sign maybe so he deployed on basically kind of across the board he hit bring behind a building in the far back. So Brandon wasn't going to get into the picture. Trixie was kind of nearby mod little last went to Center rooster Rider bushwhacker out to one plank rooster Rider out. To from the other flank so immediately when I deployed my forces I decided I was going to send his Angel after one that was going to use Michael Kudo to go after the other one. And so what ended up happening here was oh, I think I took Anna love life. That's kind of important for this. What ended up happening here is I got kind of Lucky early on and I was able to get these ah mu in early on turn two into his rooster writer and I think I read Joker the damage flip. Killed it in one hat and that wasn't something that was to expect it from either of us, but definitely helped me because it end up being his Vendetta Target so that pretty much denied him those two points my Goku dough that I used with toshiro. So let me discuss this real quick. What I used to Cheryl for is bringing a Mindless zombie to share o activates pops the Mindless zombie into an artery Garo Hills. It gives it a couple points of focused pushes it whatever moves up. Position I don't really care what else he does because what Anna's going to do is Anna's going to come in and she's gonna blow him up with remote detonation. When he dies the upgrade the reliquary upgrade goes to the Goku dough. Then the Goku dough is going to get targeted with John Lowe to bring toshiro back and then I put the Goku dough on a flank. And so that's what I did hear that Goku toad of into the other rooster Rider just tie it up basically because Range 14 gun was focus and fast and to Five damaged track I think is this like it's not something I wanted to deal with. So I wanted to get into melee as quickly as possible. So Goku dough goes in he's almost had her soul spit out goes the other side turn to Red Joker that damage flip. I think early turn three Mike okuda took out the other rooster Rider and those threats were kind of eliminated. Ma came in start putting some markers down by this point in turn three young low starting to get himself powered up and I had controlled the turf war markers because of being able to to kill a couple of his models early and he hadn't really been able to kill mine. So I took away a lot of his killing powder killing power because once the rooster I was gone there was nothing really contend as Amo on the Left Flank other than his bushwhacker and little last and so the Bushwacker just went down to his among pretty hard. I kept the I kept chiaki kind of nearby because I was doing harness if I remember correctly, but then Mama came up Center to start threatening the turf war. Marker there and the turf or markers I'd left completely unprotected in my back field because I pushed forward into his two quarters. So that's where chiaki came in to save the day with a hole through the world and flung ma right back into the center of the table to protect one of my markers and then I brought llamo to bear and young low once he gets to turn three. It's just a monster is able to put out a tremendous amount of damage. So I had after ascending up its Spirit of sending up with he's on moons reliquary, so he wasn't going Down anytime soon and just start throwing out the PowerHouse upgrades the blood upgrade to be able to get his extra darkest magic attack the bone upgrade which allows me to get the extra and dead attack by this point to Shiro had been killed a second time and rezzed a second time by his enemies and he had to start bringing big brain and friends around to just try to slow me down a little bit. And then from that point on it became a denial game. I really didn't try to score any more points. All I was trying to do was The rest so I was able to get three points. I think on Turf War and then I got one point on one of my schemes and two points on the other of my scheme and kind of shut him down six one. He was able or it might have been six to he was able to score one or two points, but he there was just nothing he could do because I completely controlled the board and a large part of that came from the fact that he just couldn't remove any of my models and any time you got close one of my ashigaru would be nearby it pitch a card and the ostergard would take to hit that. Just shut him down completely. So that was round one for me. When extremely well I'll tuck it could have been absolutely disastrous for me, but fortunately due to the overall tankiness of the crew some of the instill youths being able to Target my own models with all Reclamation off of the Usher garu Just because I didn't care about the injured and I wanted to healing and then of course Falmouth motivation from toshiro all of that healing kind of came together to keep all my guys up while I slowly whittled his down or in the case of a red Joker dressed. Better not so slowly and that was the recap for my round one. 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Again, that's Matt by Mars use the promo code third floor to get a 10% discount details are in the show notes. So round 2 was initially supposed to be a Molly pool, but my opponent declared never born and I happen to be familiar with this opponent. He's a player from my personal meta we have three four minutes and that are very active and I've played pretty much everyone in our Ali met and this was one of those one of these upon one side and Annie Phillips and he's a great never born player and I was very concerned about him bringing Zoraida because we were looking at corner of plant explosives. We had searched the room. Then their breakthrough is in their power ritual outflank claim jump. I mean with scheme scheme scheme scheme scheme, which is why Molly was my first pick but I don't actually like Molly into as a Ridah. There's just not really a whole lot of Defense other than the night terrors brain concealment, but they go down pretty quick if you get a melee and bad JuJu's they're so bad juju comes in and it's just it sounded bad to me. So I went with the tech pick of going. All right. He's almost unyielding. Young low is really hard to kill his Crews really hard to kill when we declared Masters. He declared dreamer, which I was not expecting at all was not prepared for it all so my goal at that point became. Alright. Well seeing as how I'm not facing Zoraida. I can change some of my tactics away from being so actually Garo heavy and I now need to worry about being able to scheme a little bit better so that to me said Archie I thought about bringing menos, but because I know how hard the stitched together can hit and dreamer because A dreamer. I did still want to have a Nashi garu president and then I still wanted my go Kudo warping board presence because I was going to go for power ritual and he basically gets me that first point of power ritual for free. So my list end up being the whispering young low because I felt the card Advantage is going to be very important against the dreamer crew who can Purge cards out of their deck very quickly about Archie is AA mu because I Wanted the extra hitters chiaki came along for the ride not for any particular reason other than I wanted to put menos his upgrade or not me as was got Graham. Sorry, he's on his upgrade on Archie to give him a bit more tankiness to share. Of course with the Mindless zombie for that standard trick didn't bring in and Lovelace this time because I wasn't going to go heavy and fiacci GARP. Well, I just wanted to have one out there in case Lord Chompy bits or you know, something came a little close and then ago Cuda heated up bringing a fairly control oriented Dreamer. Not a kill oriented dreamer list. So he had you know Matsu which was his major kill model and then of course there Chompy bitch, but he brought the Widow Weaver and the bandersnatch and I'd never really been exposed to either of those because I don't play them and dreamer at all and I hadn't seen them on the table. So he ended up using the markers to really web markers to really really did affect and we had kind of a slog in the the middle you end up using more Chompy. This is a scheme Runner because he ran breakthrough, which I was completely unprepared. Before we both men search the ruins and Iran power ritual. So plant explosives. I definitely had a leg up on him because I was able to get is AMA arching. Toshiro pretty far up the board very quickly the go Kudo of course was able to get up very quickly for the power ritual and we just ended up kind of slightly off-center duking it out pretty heavily. He brought to co to try to threaten me turn one, but he didn't Realize how fast my crew could be so I was able to eliminate Tuco turn one, but his Hina Matsuri came in and just start tearing me apart. And in order to try to mitigate in a macho because you know monsters major threat is that she has the positives built-in. I mean the armor to first of all she has positive built-in and then she on slots with flurry so she can potentially get six attacks in around and being a henchman. You can absolutely stone for this if you need it. So I ended up having to bring young low up a lot earlier than my intended because I needed his hazardous or from Ash ascendancy to try to lock her in and keep her from generating so much AP Advantage but through her attacks and that actually ended up working very well in my favor. I think what I was able to bring him a monster down to like to hit points before the end of the game, but then dreamer and short choppy best are going on a scheming run rather than where I thought they were going to go stitch together. We're getting summoned in and I constantly had to deal with those but I had to kind of lock those guys down. Lucid dreams was working well for him but not quite as well as he may have hoped and he had to throw out quite a number of moderates as opposed to the the ideal weeks with the occasional severe for his gamble your life, but I was able to take out pretty much his stitch together any of us ditch that popped up. I was able to take out except for the last one and he just ran out of AP is kind of the problem he had because humans who couldn't go in bandersnatch couldn't go in. I'd already taken to go off the table. His Daydreams are insignificant. Gant so for the massive amount of markers he needed to drop for both for breakthrough power ritual and search the ruins and up having to send Chompy out. And so I had to repurpose myself and young low ended up having to leave so he can go contest Chompy was way too fast. He used web markers to get Widow Weaver down at one Health to jump her out and suddenly send her off to go skiing. So I was kind of like really a little bit on my back foot there, but I was able to use Young To pick up a bomb and deny one of his points while still getting I think I got all four of my points on the Strat and then I was able to get a two points on one scheming than one point on the other scheme. I think for under six or seven point game for me and it was a marginal win. He only missed out by like two points. I want to say because he got his point for breakthrough. You got a point for search and got two points for bombs. So I think ended up being something like five four six four or somewhere in that neighborhood, but it was a really really close game really tight game and I was very thankful that I decided to go ahead and bring Archie Into The Fray because his ability to LEAP not only scored me a to plant explosives because he got the bomb off a to co but it allowed him to get out and putting the armor on him from his zombie who kept him alive because when he got when the stitch together came And the bandersnatch came in they did a lot more damage than was expected and he was down to I think one hit point. I think one lucky flip kept them alive. And then I was able to heal him back up to practically full between his flurry biting off a piece from throwing a corpse marker and then in still you from Ian low. So that was a really close call, but he ended up being my MVP piece because of all that. All right, and that was round two. We'll be right back after a short break and I'll go into the last bit and the Deep type of round 3, which was some resurrectionist on resurrectionist action. Howdy Folks Craig here. Now if you love gadgets as much as we do you're going to love the new third floor Wars Gadget bundle from sooner Labs branded with the logo of your favorite podcast. It comes with two measuring multi-tools a compass stepper for those tight and important movements along with a compact dashboard to track your turn Strat and scheme scoring along with your soul stones and past tokens. It is the perfect bundle for anyone who plays malifaux or just wants to look cool while doing it. The link is in the show notes check them out and help support your favorite gaming podcast. All right round three ended up being versus Damien guy who I've only played once before I believe and that was in a tournament when he was still playing Arcanist back in them, too, and he's doing the Reza thing in M3. He lives out in Greenville, I believe and when he came to the table, I was pretty certain he was going to pick I because that's what I was going to pick and I just was kind of going I know he's a high caliber player. I know he's got a good feel for the game. And so he's going to see this pool and he's gonna go okay. This is gonna be a cry pull you want those summons to help eat up some of that damage from the corrupted idols and also to put a lot of pressure on your opponent with bringing in the acurio and I didn't like the odds of a Karai on Karai match. I don't feel that my Karai game is strong enough to go into a mirror match like that. At so again rather than going with the pick. I originally did I decided I was going to bring you on low. So this young low version though I decided I wanted to be a denial version. So I didn't really bring things to do damage so much as I did to be annoying. I did bring Archie again because of his sleep and I brought my anus which has been dubbed the Wonder Twins in the resurrectionist chat that I'm a part of and the reason for that was is because I knew that I was going to be dealing Did a lot of incidental damage because we have the Vengeance thing going and I didn't really want to be attacking to heavily, but I wanted to threaten severely and I wanted to be able to be doing at least Min to which both menos and Archie can through different means and I wanted the Regeneration that I got en menos and then the Regeneration the arch you would get from a ounces upgrade plus the Eternal of course. I took a National Guard with gray Spirits touch note to Shiro this time. I didn't have the points for him. He was too slow didn't bring enough to the table didn't bring enough damage. But the the ashigaru is a 2-inch reach that can throw out injured can heal itself has regen now has tear playing duel because of the great spirits touched and it's just all around just a really bad model to have to waste a peon and I thought that it would be a great model to truck some of the curios irreducible damage on cause hard to kill is still a thing. So even if I get hit with two or three swings from a curio, he's going to survive more likely than not unless like, you know they spiked a severe something so broad akuto like normal and the other Tech pick for this was sloth because of his interaction with Archie being able to give yield three without slowing him but also because I had no problems using the ostergard to take kits and then healing me a cigar on giving it slow because it's goal was to get into a senior location and kind of sit there extended reach was also a big thing because aside from I think drowned have a ranged attack and Molly have we are not Molly Curry has a really good range to attack. The rest of her crew don't have solid ranged attacks. They have utility ranged attacks. They want to get into your face and start beating you down and then rely on you having to waste a peon incorporeal with the Vengeance up to do the rest of the incidental damage need to take you out. So by bringing menos and annachi Garo. I had two sources of extended reach to prevent the charges and that meant that things like using lost loves. Burnout trigger on her heat on his heel to be able to give like a curio fast for instance was just going to mean that a curio has to walk in and swing twice rather than walking and swing three times, which just meant I was going to survive that much more chiaki came in again. I wanted to be able to get me knossos upgrade on to Archie and then I was going to send her off to start trying to score me a harness delay line, which was one of the schemes in the pool. You let schemes were assassinate delivery. Search dig the graves and Vendetta and I opted on deliver a message because I knew I wasn't going to go after killing anything and I knew that I could lock Karai down because there's not really a way for her to get out. Once you get once you get her engaged because you can't use the station to Walker. I think it's a walk not a move. I figured he was going to probably take dig their graves and Vendetta I end up being wrong and he took deliver a message as well. Which kind of surprised me but we in. Up in this big scrum in the middle. He overextended your Coon a little bit pop the oricon, you know when to put out some damage I decided to just merely Focus her down so that way I could control the middle and that's effectively what happened for the rest of the game as he was able to bring from a nose down near the dead before I could bring my a cigar room position to stop the acurio rush. But once I was able to activate him, he healed and then a couple of sites and powered strikes that I didn't are a couple of yes, I from Life strikes. I didn't need to siphon power 4. I was able to kill him a couple more points than yan-lo basically brought him up to full from there. And then he never really was threatened health-wise again from that point. I think that I got kind of lucky there. I think he Black Joker to damage flip somewhere in there and that's where the reason why Maine has stayed alive. And then after that I was just able to keep him up the ashigaru-sha locked in the lost love and acurio for a couple of turns. He summoned goryeo. NE drowned. I used chiaki I believe to push them back. And make them waste AP. He had a couple of Chicot me that he hired in that he sent on flanks one of them. He had to kind of bring back in and then the Quran Idol Dropped In the far corner and he had to go back out with it. So that should come I kind of didn't really do anything. The other one had to scheme run on the flank that I had chiaki kind of running on and they didn't really do anything to each other other than disengage and and are not disengage but like pushing themselves out and drop markers. Down and then maybe half hardly swing at one another for most of the game. So I feel like those two should chromate didn't really do them. Any favors that game. I don't think they were a good use of points and then that gave me all of the rest of my crew was dead in that Center there and that gave me a lot of ability to just kind of sit back and control what was happening. So I was able to get my search the room. I'm sorry. My heart's delay line pretty easily the first point and then I drove Archie into karate. I turn three I think To get deliver a message and he was also going for harness delay line deliver a message conveniently enough. So I was able to deny one of his harness still his first turn something on the temple when we got towards the end of the game despite the fact that he had quite the AP advantage on me because of his model count. He couldn't get into position with anything that wasn't engaged or engaged or but engaged by my models in a way that he would be able to function. He performed his schemes and I think ultimately is what won me the game because we had a couple of corrupted markers corrupted. I don't markers drop in the center that was able to just kind of move just barely into his area and then just park myself there with you know, menos has extended reach and 2-inch threat range and just be like you can't get to this marker to do anything to it and that really stymied him and there wasn't really anything he could summon in to stop that and because of curios hits kept being pawned off on the offshore garu at the worst times HS n HS. He didn't have enough good things to do with his AP to be able to get through my denial and that's where I got the leg up on the game. I think we finished something like 5:1. He had a really good Ploy going to try to get the second point for deliver the message off of me, but I was able to severe hit the lost love with Archie on a double on a single neck. Able to get the the double severe dream and it's six damage and just took them straight out and that denied any ability for him to score points from that point on because that was like the last significant model he had access to at that stage. So that's how that round went. And it was a good round. It was a very tense fight was very well done. But the denial aspects of young low were able to win the the day the Hazardous or unfortunately didn't come into play because of all the incorporeal that he had but I was able to take quite advantage of his blood ascendancy upgrade which gave him the one-inch reach for gunfighter and that helped me clock down and control and idle and a couple of scheme markers at one point and then me being able to just push his guys out. Oh, that's that was what I used to push his guys out was young lows treacherous past being able to push his summons out was just super strong because he was effectively trading an AP for and a card for a summit. That I would then trade in AP to effectively deny for two rounds. And so the first couple of turns of summoning. I just had to either power through her kill, whatever he brought in but then the last couple of rounds of summoning. I just had to keep them from engaging me in any meaningful Manner and that's what Young low was fantastic at doing because with all the healing he had and all the repositioning and they know charging and all that jazz. I didn't have to worry about a curio I could let it cure. Rio just whale on me with her one or two and you know, they're two hits or her one or two. It's if I was able to get her out of range and she had to walk back in and then swing half-heartedly. He missed his burnout trigger a couple of times. So it was just one of those things where it's like I didn't have to worry about the acurio bomb because I kept her mitigated So Pro tip you play against cry mitigate a curio don't kill her and you take out a lot of that power there and that was it and that was how I was able to Pilot you on loan through two three rounds of victory. The information here helps somebody out there and we'll talk to you guys later. Thanks for tuning in. This was Ray with the third floor and stay tuned for more wonderful content coming from Craig and I as us ft gets geared up and under way. Thanks for listening. Sure to rate and write a review on this podcast so we can find more people almost as cool as you are. Check us out on Facebook Twitter and YouTube by searching for a third floor Wars. That's thi ah, Rd will catch you next time on the phone.

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Yo, yo, yo, hey guys, whats Poppin jocks laid here and we're back with the outside the box podcast. Of course this show is the show you love it's about sneakers is about technology and it's also about relationship advice. If you are in a bind and you need someone to help coach you through then you've come to the right place, but more than that, you know, we're also here to talk about sneakers and stuff. But this show wouldn't be what it is.If it was just me, I know the the silky sounds of my voice are hypnotizing. But if you really if you really dig into the actual words that I'm saying outside of the of the base heavily lovingness loveliness of the voice. You see that it's empty that there's really nothing there. And that's why we really have the really two of the most important people on this podcast. We have Tiffany beers and the involved Nick go ahead and tell them where they can find you. 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Like I don't know if you've ever if you guys have ever been in an air B&B, but like I just have this Natural Curiosity like I want to learn everything I can about the person whose house. I'm living it. I think that's new but in you're not supposed to do that. Yeah, like I don't know if you should say that, you know until all right, but like I'm looking at the books like I'll make a judgment based on the books that they have on the bookshelf like looking. Looking at like the college paraphernalia. Like there's a lighter just sitting on the shelf. So I'm like as they are they a smoker like are the is it cigarettes? Is it we'd are there is this a weed-heads house? Like I don't know there's just so many anyway. Okay - Pete. Are you I'm in North Carolina. Let me stop judging people baby, right? It's a lovely home though. It is a lovely home. I'll say that it is a lovely home enough about My personal tribulations and trials. All right, let's get this show started. So we got some comments from you guys, which we always love. So if you ever want to send us comments, please do it's outside pods on Instagram on Twitter were on Tinder Rome Bumble grinder run all of those places. Maybe just Instagram and Twitter. Maybe I was hoping we were on Either but that's good. Obviously, it's not going to happen. But you can if you want to find it just just look for outside pods. And anyway, you can DM us and we got a DM from I think this was a rib fresh to death and make sure I said that right ya Rabb fresh to death. And the question is you want to know a time we fell for the hype and regretted it once the hype faded. So I'm I'm gonna I'll start this one off. So I Shoe that I kind of felt. Well, I can't say that the hype faded but I did kind of get caught up in the hype was with when the Yeezys first release with the 750 and the 350. So because in part it's part personal in part because of my job, so I'll say part because my job is is sneakers and I need to know all about Sneakers but also part of just, you know wanting to be a part of that cool crowd like I fall victims of that just like everybody else so I bought Yeezys early on so I have maybe Six or seven pair of Yeezys and I have yet to wear one pair. I have literally never worn them. I've taken them out the box. I've shown them the people people have come to my house and they've taken them out the box and looked at them, but I have actually never worn them. And it just I just didn't really do the silhouette didn't really speak to me at the end of the day and I think that's what matters most at. The end of the day like am I really going to wear this? And is it does it speak to me enough to where I'm actually going to wear it, but then I also think it got to the point where just everybody had them and everybody was wearing them. And so that kind of pushed me away from wearing them because like I don't want to show up in 10 different people have on the same pair of shoes that I have. So I think that also kind of hit me and then it just got to the point where it was kind of like, all right. Now, I'm over it. Like I'm just over Yeezys now and like now I have them and I just have no really no interest. In wearing them. I just I don't know I guess the the appeal is gone for me. So I don't know if that's the kind of story you're looking for red fresh to death. But that's that's my angle out sauce. I'll toss it over to Tiffany see what Heights open to hear from Nick first. Okay. Well, let's go to Nick, you know, this is really hard because I don't think that like I don't think I fall for the hype as much as I do like I fall for my own hype in you know, like like retro product. For instance. Like I love Nike basketball from the 90s, right? So I'll buy like like the recent Penny Retros or like the Maestro Retros. But like the worst one was the are up from a couple of years ago. They did like this. Like plastic vacuum Tech thing and I guess I just didn't realize that's what it was. But I was so hyped to get it because it was one of the shoes that Penny Hardaway war and right, you know the like kind of like black white black white across the side with a big blue swoosh. I just thought I mean it was like one of my favorite shoes when I was you know, younger and I mean that shoe hurt my feet so bad like I wore it. I wore it. I think I wore it like at the time I was working at Finish Line and I wore it to work one time and gave them away. I just took them to Goodwill because I was just like there's just no way I'll ever wear these again. Wow, it may be. Yeah, I might add I might have given it a second try which would have been me hyping it up to say. No. This is really cool enough to put up with the pain and never is that a good idea, but that's that's what comes to mind. I think of like bad decisions based on my own hyping up a product in my head. Yeah. Did I give you enough time Tiffany? Here's the core of a problem for me. I mean grace. Sorry Nick, if you have to buy moleskin to wear shoe. It's probably not her. Right right, the hype is not real. So for me, I would say, you know, since I left Nike, you know, I think I got caught up in the hype on. The element 85 because I thought it looks really awesome. I really love it. But when you wear it, it is uncomfortable. Unless you're wearing tall socks. It is uncomfortable blisters red hot spots, you know, I mean uncomfortable shoe and actually doesn't look that good once it's on so I feel like that is one that I got caught up in the hype of but then I sold mine on eBay. So I made a little bit of margin so I was you know not too upset about it, but I have to say as an There were many many times. I mean as an employee you don't end up with a collection of 300 pairs of shoes without thinking something's going to be hype right? I mean, I found myself buying shoes that I did not like like so for example when the wedge came out for women, right and the Sky High dunks. I thought oh, these are going to be great there. So they're on point finally a woman's shoe. They are so uncomfortable. It's ridiculous. So, you know like there was a there was an example where I bought two or three pair and literally just gave them to Goodwill as I was moving because the I never wore them they still had tags on them. So I am not a good example of pipe or do I know what's going to be hype and so I only focus on buying shoes that I really like and that they're comfortable and I'm actually going to use and wear and have a purpose for so it's kind of anti hype but at the same time, you know, How far to the hype from time to time the Brand's rely on it? Yeah, you know, it's interesting absolutely thinking about this like I think like an in this is kind of a little bit of a tangent from the the question itself, but I think that like shoes like the first easy from Nike or any of the Jeremy Scott stuff right with Adidas from years back. We're like the design was so different than like the normal of what we were used to from that era that those are like the shoes like I bought like some of the Jeremy Scott wings like I don't regret it because I love those shoes. I got the denim ones and I wear them occasionally but like the trend for that is so far off now that I just feel like right. Can you ever wear that again? And I kind of feel the same way like the easy one just when I look at it seems so dated to me now compared to especially compared to like the Nike easy to write like the step from the one to the to was like like Any mental to me, like I think you know, oh, that's nice. I completely disagree. I'm sorry. Exactly completely disagree. I mean the Yeezy one was pure it was there was a purity to it. I still think it's a great looking shoe and there's shoes out there trying to copy it still I mean the easier to was okay, but it was it was like, you know, I got my first round this is What I'd learned and here I'm going to go after it again, but the easy one. I mean, I'm biased guys be honest. I worked at Nike at that time. I may have worked on that project. I may have samples. I still love us there. They're awesome. I think they're super great. That was a super awesome project. So you do you feel like that the to didn't wasn't enough of a step away from the one like do you feel like it was like just the formula just was repeated with different. Pieces, you know, I wasn't involved with the to at all. So I don't know the actual story behind it. But the story behind the one is really pure it's really solid. It was a different experience for me because I got to work on the product, you know, I got to work with the designers. I got to work with all the people involved with it. And so it was a really cool project was difficult. It was very difficult was challenging for sure, but it was fascinating at the same time, you know bringing someone. On that isn't used to the shoe industry and bringing them up to speed and bringing them into it. And that whole experience was was truly amazing. I'm grateful for that experience in the two. I didn't understand I didn't understand what the story was. I didn't understand what the why behind it. I mean very clearly understood the why in the first one and I don't know if that was communicated well, but I think the first one offered like an interesting, you know, you got the big strap and you got like you got a difference. Wasn't happening at that time in the market. Like there was there was some really interesting things going on with that shoe and challenges made where the two was just like, you know, I did it once I'm doing it again and everyone's gonna love it and and they did and they wanted it, you know, it was definitely in demand probably for more than the first ones but I didn't understand the story behind it. You know. Wow, two things here first. There's someone in the comments going talk that talk today. Yes, yes about it. But on the second part like I honestly feel like I'm in Nick's bow. I like the easy two more than I like the easy one. I thought yeah. I just I thought the easy to was like a Slicker more slim version of it and this make you know and talk speak from my own bias when it comes to sneakers and the styles that I like. But yeah, I definitely lean more towards the to than I do towards the Wine, but it's interesting now to hear your perspective, you know from as a designer that you look at the that you look at the one as as more pure and and speaks in resonates more with you than the to yeah. I mean the to have new tooling right you have so you have a new missile when I say to lambing Mid someone out. So you have a custom-designed midsole and outsole based on what the designer or the collaborators want where the one you know, we reuse Used we reuse the tooling so which is arguably more challenging but I think I think there's good and bad stew both, but I just you know, you know, to be honest I didn't I didn't pay much attention to the to you know, but I really think you know, you look at the what's the Jordan 1. That's the who's the guy that used to be associated with Kanye? And then now he's got his own collab with Jordan. This is terrible. Don't think Don see right that day. See shoe with the strap to me just looks a lot like the easy one. Yeah, like it's taking a lot of hints from the easy one. And and I really like that shoe. I think it looks really great. Like it's a little bit Slimmer. It's a little more minimal than they easy one. But at the same time it's like it's kind of going after the exact same look it's like a little bulky a little tough strappy protected you like you're ready for everything. You're kind of ready for. Nothing in those shoes. Yeah, and and and I love this. I hundred percent agree with you Tiffany on like the storytelling aspect of it. Right because especially the timing of all that like well not to pick on Kanye but he wasn't quite as insane as he is now or you know through the years so like that first that first like him like doing a little bit of stuff with Louis Vuitton and seeing like these samples pop up from you know, Reebok and Nike and like then finally seeing like what he created that to me was way more way cooler. What like I was I was way more like invested in the like I didn't get the shoes. But like I was way more invested in the whole story the whole process trying to get the shoes like when the two came out I like it aesthetically better, but you're absolutely right. There was no story. There was no it, you know and part of that. Really has to do with him potentially leaving Nike or what? I don't know when that actually happened versus when the shoe came out but like it felt like it felt like the whole package in the whole marketing side of it to tell those stories wasn't there for the to like, you know at all almost. So even it doesn't surprise me that even you being fairly close to that whole world when it's happening didn't understand or didn't get to get the the message because it's I felt like it didn't exist hardly at all. Yeah, and to be totally honest I have nothing to do with the to I didn't even know what was going on when it was going on, you know, like like so I wasn't associated with it all but at the same time like, you know, if you if you go and create something and the first time you make it you make mistakes, right because you just don't know and the second time you're like, you know, if I could do that again, I would do this differently and and that's kind of what to me the easy to was like if I could improve this based on what I just learned. This is this This is what I do, but that's also why the easy one is so beautiful because you don't know what you don't know and you give it a shot and you go for it. And that's what you got where the easy to is. Like. I've been down this road. Once this is what I do, you know, you're striving for Perfection more and I like the rough and rawness a little bit better. I respect that. Yeah, I respect that. I love that. That's a cool. That's cool to hear that perspective. Yeah, I'm gonna throw one last you out here that I thought. Going to be huge but wasn't the Nike Air Zoom Mariah Flyknit racer and I'll leave it at that because I know no one else cares. I thought you was gonna be good. Why not be resumed Mariah? Yep, the Mariah Flyknit racer. I thought it was going to be big. I thought people I was like, oh people are going to love this shoe. It's going to be go gangbusters as they say on the news and it did not it did not know one. I don't even think it was a blip on the on anyone's radar and actually did a video about that admitting that and people were like, yeah, we wish everyone was like, yeah, we thought that she was going to be bigger but it didn't so it is what it is. I'll take that loss on my own and go to my grave with it. But next up is something that I did was this brought up by by someone in the dmsr. I think this is something we want to talk about with goat and Kyle kuzma. So he Signed to go if I'm if we make sure I remember this right he signed to go and he's going to wear whatever shoes from goat. He wants that are Nikes obviously because he's a Nike athlete but we haven't really heard much from them about it, which is weird because it seems like that's something that you would hype up if you have an NBA player as a part of your roster. Has anyone heard anything about it our know anything else that's happened outside of like that first initial announcement. I haven't so this this came from drema Gray on Instagram. Yeah. I haven't heard anything about it since they announced it. I mean they announced it mid-october. I want to say right and you know, I've seen kuzma like in shoes. I don't remember I think maybe there was maybe maybe the deal wasn't Early on court shoes, but it was shoes that he was going to wear to and from the game, you know, because that's like a whole thing now is like people got to be seen walking in with three pairs of shoes in order to be cool. But I I think this the whole deal was incredible like it was exciting to see that like, it's actually something that I won't say who but I talked to people at one of the major reason two of the major retailers about setting something like that up and doing something like that where they could have their own. Our own kind of sponsored athlete because what it does is like it creates excitement around a variety of products, but it also highlights the product that he's going to wear on course, so it's good for you know, Nike basketball because he has a deal with Nike basketball like he's been playing in the adapter recently and if he shows up to, you know, the game pregame for instance in the easy one or we're carrying the easy one or something like that. Somebody's going to snap a picture it hits social media and I mean it just Like so much potential to do so many cool things with that but I really haven't seen anything in regards to it at all. Yeah, that's so it's so weird. So like I just did a little quick Google search and literally if you type Kyle kuzma and goat all the stories are from October. Yeah like October October 17th, October 18 2018, and there's no news about it after that which is which just seems strange. To me, I would think that there would be more more stuff out there about it or even like on the sneaker blogs or are really anywhere. I don't I don't see anything about it. I don't know what happened with that deal if it just hasn't happened the way that it that people expected it to or I don't know if maybe he hasn't been wearing the right Silhouettes and maybe that's what it is. Maybe he needs a better curated selection to play in order to wear to the game or maybe it's because the Lakers aren't doing well, or maybe it's because LeBron's on the lake. Ears and the bronze taken all the shine. I just I don't know. That's that's just a pretty odd situation to me to see like such for it to be such a big deal and then nothing to come of it. Yeah, I think it's I think that's one of these little checkpoints if you will write like relatively new guy kind of a rising star is he has big of a star as we think like, let's throw something out there and see what happens and let's wait and then let's let's see what Ends in playoffs, right? Let's see what happens with this team. Like I think they're just testing the waters with this a little bit. You know, I think it takes the right personality it right the right skill with the right personality to have a winning combination and you bet on those sometimes and sometimes you lose and sometimes you win and it's inexpensive bet to lose. So to me it seems like that's what they're kind of they're just testing the waters to kind of see what the general interest in him is but who knows I mean Maybe there's an injury. We don't know about me. There's a complication, you know, anything could Anything could happen, but he seems like a pretty interesting person to kind of build a story about so I kind of hope they build more. I hope it moves forward because I'd be interested in music and hearing more about him. Yeah, and I'm like I'm I love goat like I think there's just there's a great opportunity here for him. You know, I just don't know where it's going to where it's going to come from. I just really would love to see goat expose this story a little more because it does seem like there's an opportunity there for them to really separate themselves from the stuff that everyone else is doing like what the stock X is doing what stadium Goods is doing they have this opportunity. It him to really highlight him and you know almost kind of help Jetta mais the platform of set of the secondary Market. I think the secondary Market is still in that that the being legitimised phase I think it's cool if people know about it and I venture capitalist or start to invest and stuff like that, but I think having this NBA player attached to it takes it makes it a little bit more legitimate than it would if there was no one attached to it. So I would love to see them do a little more with him. Him. Yeah, and look at what Footlocker just did right? They just invested in go massively. So like something's coming like something interesting is happening here. Yeah, and that Footlocker thing is blows my mind. Yeah, that is that is like they they invested a hundred million dollars in Goat now just just to kind of put that into perspective goat has been around for I believe five or six years and in that Five or six years. They've had a total investment from Venture capitalists of 97 million dollars in total Footlocker came along and invested more than they have had in total over those five years in one single investment. So that's a big that's a big move on Footlocker's part and I think we could we can really dig into this one a bit because I see it as a couple of things for Footlocker one. I think they see how big the secondary Market is and I think any brand retailer is going to see that amount of money passing hands and not have their hand in it. I think this is Footlocker dipping their hands into the secondary market to I think it also makes its Footlocker's attempt to be cool in the digital space Footlocker has kind of lost some of their cool cachet. I think when we were kids Foot Locker, it was amazing to go to a Footlocker and Like a big deal to kind of go to Footlocker and that appeal and that sort of nostalgia. I think that we have is lost on this generation and I think that generation they have placed that sort of nostalgia on stock X on Goat on Stadium goods and this is Footlocker kind of buying that cool or that Nostalgia back. And then on the third thing I see here is this is a great opportunity for goat Foot Locker has these store within a store like setup for Adidas and Puma. And Reebok and then they have like 702 for women and I think this is a great opportunity for goat to expand their retail presence and you know kind of like with a cop kuzma thing really legitimize the business in a way that you know, you can see a goat section inside of a Footlocker or inside of a House of Hoops. You know, this is the quote unquote greatest of all time selection and it's a selection of sneakers that are super hard to get in super hard to get. Hands-On in the right there available to you inside of the Foot Locker store. You don't have to go online. You can walk into a store. You can put it in your hands. You can look at it. You can touch it you can feel it. So I think there's a huge huge opportunity for the secondary market and with especially with the tying into retail where the retail partner like Footlocker. But again, this is again just me making stuff up. I don't know how you guys feel about it. But you know, that's just kind of where my mind went when I heard about the deal. I mean for me like the fact that a major retailer like Footwear just bought, you know, go who was you know, kind of the secondary market like to me that's counterintuitive, right? Like like you just took goat and turned it into the primary market. So I don't know. I'm a little confused by the whole thing. Like I get that Footlocker is trying to be trendy like they just invested in Jason maidens company the with Kids shoes. They're making some really big moves, which I really like. I think it's about time one of the retailers and Footwear did that but at the same time like owning part of goat, like I don't know if I trust you anymore to be honest as a secondary market like I don't know if I trust it really cuz it's back by, you know, a primary retailer. So a primary retailer that makes deals with these Brands to Market their Duct and things like that, like what does that do to the secondary Market? Does that influence it I don't want it to but it brings up a lot of questions for me. Yeah, I mean I can go ahead. No, I was gonna say I heard that a lot on Twitter about when I was talking about it on Twitter the other day that there is like they're not sure what like now why like Footlocker's not going to sell us anything. They're just going to send it directly to the the secondary Market first my response to that would be like, oh for sure. They would lose their account. Like they're not going to be you know, they they know they can't do that and then my thought was this is an opportunity for Footlocker. Lie to get paid twice instead of just once well as the platform imagine a platform where you know Foot Locker sells you the shoes at retail. They don't even have to ship them to you. You can list them directly on Goat by clicking a button on the FootLocker website and they sell on goat and they're shipped out. The buyer knows their official because they came from Foot Locker so there is no legit checks because it came from Foot Locker. It's from Foot Locker who is a trusted retail or so, you don't have to worry about That perspective you don't have to worry about them being shipped to you are being shipped out because Foot Locker or AKA go is going to handle all of that for you Foot Locker gets the retail money and they also get their cut of the resale money and like that's just sensible then all that's what I thought about. Yeah, possibly. Yeah. That's a great scenario. Yeah. I mean that's that's what I that's what I think but I think Twitter things no Footlocker is just going to sell it just going to give it to go and have go do the resale. As opposed to getting the retail money and getting the resale money. I think that's kind of like far-fetched though, right? I mean, I totally understand like, you know, there could be temptation to do that. But Footlocker doesn't control the amount of hype around a product hardly at all. They almost have zero influence in my opinion on whether a shoe sell resells for more than retail or not. And I think that you know, you could look at the Travis Scott's you could look at the off-white the Yeezys. None of those shoes Footlocker. They would have bought as many as they possibly got of any of those shoes and you know to me there there's no way for them to control the market like the brand still kind of put they but they can they can control the supply and demand their your face to the retailer. They can technically do that. Not to the extreme not to the extent that the actual secondary Market would would respond to it because like a lot of that stuff, you know gets gets to the secondary Market through the back doors of Footlocker Finish Line and other retailers. I know it's not supposed to be a thing but it happens all the time and you know, the biggest sellers on all the secondary Market platforms are probably people that buy from a local, you know retail store out the back door before it hits. No, and the manager takes a cut and gets a little bit more money out of it. But I think that the I think the thing the thing that I think is most interesting about about this is that it creates potentially places for people to bring in their shoes and sell them on Goat in a Foot Locker where it's safe, you know, it takes away the kind of O Craigslist. I'm going to sell my Jordans and then some somebody runs into you know. Violence or problems trying to sell their shoes to somebody else. This almost makes it like like there's almost like a safe way for people to do business on the secondary platform or you know on the go platform on the resale Market where I just see it kind of all time together eventually and I can understand where like there is in theory way that you know, they could potentially do that or you know potentially like Back product to drive up prices, but it's so it's so unpredictable whether or not a shoe is going to be really really valuable or not. Like if you were to look at stock X. For instance go look at like Jordan 1 mids like say an All-Star Jordan one mid from last year, like low sizes sizes like six to nine or maybe even smaller Those Shoes sell now for three four five hundred dollars. Hours when they came out there were so many of them and like you can still buy big sizes at close to retail or maybe a little bit more but they were so like there's this weird place in the secondary Market that I don't think that any of the platforms can can fully understand it and I think that it's the same thing with Foot Locker in retail, right? Like it's always a challenge for them to buy buy products by the right number of products and actually sell it right because at the end of the day Foot Locker could come and say I Bye, you know two million Travis Scott Air Force Ones and Nikes going to be like no way like we're not making that many so it's going to be interesting. I think that like this is more of a marketing play for Footlocker to be cool. It validates that they're in the cool space if they want to cross these brands from in a public-facing space, but the same thing with them investing in Json Maiden the same thing with them investing in pencil, you know, like I could see, you know, they need to tell they need to come in. A check but Footlocker, you should just go ahead and buy Sneaker Con now because that's the that's the future of of marketing right is in-person events. It's not going to be it's not going to be stores and Lord knows it's not buying from apps because that's a headache for everybody. So a couple things you said that I really liked I do like that the youth can have a safe place to sell. I mean, I know my nephew started selling sneakers at like 10, and I was like, hey be careful, like don't be posting those on Craigslist. Let's let's be really careful because you might not understand the value. You might not understand the demand and so I do like that a lot. But if I were Footlocker and I was doing this and maybe this reveals too much in my personality. You have an opportunity now to basically say hey Adidas. Hey Puma. Hey Nikki, I want this shoe and I want it this volume and they say no. Okay. That's probably going to be a higher value goat get ready. This is what's coming. You know, like they they have a premonition now because they have both sides of the brand they they have both sides of the retail really under their wraps that they have an advantage that no one else has it and if they use that correctly, they should be able to predict what's going to be more valuable and they can control the demand and Supply if they play their cards right? They should be able to do it. Yeah, I think I hear what you're saying. I and my father. On that is that they have access to people that already know that stuff anyway, right? Like I've done work for almost every retailer in the Footwear world at this point, it seems like and and even dating back like for instance like just a few days ago. When when I worked at Finish Line in like 2012/2013, I think maybe 14 something like that. I got a text from one of my bosses at Finish Line that I haven't talked to in years. Ears, you know basically saying like you're right about Finish Lines should have bought a resale market and back then it was it was like the soulcollector forums and it was kicks a Phi there was no goat. There was no stock X, but to me like that's the like the future of all of this is going to it's going to be very gray. There's going to be like this big pot of people a big pot of money a big pot of shoes and everybody's playing in the same space for instance because at the end of the day like if somebody's gonna Bye, let's say somebody has a thousand dollars to spend are they going to buy five pairs of shoes off the wall at Foot Locker? Hmm? Probably not. They're probably going to go buy one pair of off whites and one pair of Yeezys off of goat or stock X because that's the cooler thing right now, you know, and it's still the same thousand dollars that's going to go into the sneaker Market in my opinion. I get that like we've had this kind of separation of the two markets now for a little bit but at the end of the day like just because there's more More people there's more secondary Market platforms out there doesn't necessarily mean that there's more money going. I mean, obviously the business of sneakers is growing. I'm not saying that it's not but it's it doesn't mean that like the 20 year-old the 18 year old kid doesn't spend the same amount of on his shoes. As you know, they would have two years ago three years ago when there was no secondary Market platforms. They might have been buying them or selling them on eBay. But you know, it's just this weird space where we're kind of To the point where all of this has to be looked at in my opinion at a such a high level of like, where is this all going? And you know for me Foot Locker is seeing that retail is dying and is trying to create ways to bring in some of the excitement that still exists with their customers because you know regardless of you know, where you buy your shoes from. I think that the secondary Market if you're into sneakers and have been for the last few years or more If you pay attention to the secondary Market at least in some regard, right like you always have the thought of like, oh, yeah, he's he's well, they might be worth something. I should just get them right and you know kind of goes back to like falling for the hype or whatever but like it's it's becoming more and more common for like let's say let's say that lets say that 20% of the people are quote sneakerheads, right? They spend all their time paying attention to sneakers. They know every You stay can tell you when everything is coming out. They correct you on the colorways when you tell them it's the wrong color way or spell something wrong that 20% is the one that that that for five years ago looked at eBay before they made a purchase that percentage is steadily growing because as people understand that like, oh, well, I only have X amount of space in my closet. Maybe I'm going to buy something that I can resell or at least if if I don't like it or I only wear it a couple times I get most of my money back. Back and to me that's kind of this like shifting where it's still the same big pot. But like there's maybe 30 or 40 percent of the sneaker heads are you know, they're they're getting people hyped up and you see people, you know, obviously more people are buying these now than they were a couple years ago and you know seems like the same thing for like the off white stuff, but I don't know that was kind of a long ramble, but that's kind of my theory on this approach from Foot Locker and I think a lot of it is also There's value in the data. I think I think the brands are starting to and obviously the retailers are paying more attention to data data is becoming more and more important every day and everything that we do with everything from a I you know, predictive buying and all of those things. So I think Footlocker being able to pull the data from goat into their own data just makes them more valuable to a brand obviously Brands captured their own. Data based on sales but a lot of that is just more like manufacturing and sales on how many we sold to a retailer but with Foot Locker being able to say okay. This is how many people bought these at retail and now this is how many people bought these on the secondary market for this price that data. I'm sure someone way smarter than me will be able to extract information out of that data that allows Nike to make better manufacturing and production decisions Footlocker. It allows Footlocker to make better buying decisions which you know obviously will reflect into the secondary Market which I believe I think I think I said that right. No, I isn't that why they don't listen to the podcast but I hundred percent agree with you, but just to Counterpoint just to be that guy I would say that that's already happened. Right? Like if you look at Jordans in 2012, everything sold out retail. Is of a for was what 140 150 160 something like that almost every Jordan release now is 180 200 220. So they Nike and Jordan brand saw there's a lot of money on the market to be made we can raise our prices increase production and we're going to eat up this secondary Market. We're still going to make more money because we're charging 40 or 50 dollars more per pair that normally at that time in 2012 or 13 was going to eat. Or some seller on eBay and that's that's the analytics from from that data. Probably is what caused those changes I would also argue that like that's also what's what's been the reasoning behind a lot of these more like hyper focused or smaller brand collaborations because they know that that they've got to continue to spread through the higher. Our energy places and get like that like top-tier like, you know, I won't want to call it influence or but like the hyped up Brands and the hyped up designers that are that had their own clothing line now are more likely to get a Nike collab than they were five or six years ago because back then it was it was crazy that Nike did any kind of collab with Jordan right? Like I mean, like I don't even know that there were actual collapse of the Jordan brand prior to like 2011 or And then it was like no very very rare. Right? And then now it's like well Travis Scott gets to do whatever he wants with the one, you know, Virgil gets to do whatever he wants with the one like Nigel Sylvester's got a one, you know, Hiroshi with fragments got a one like everybody's doing something and I think I think you know, there is some like I do have a little bit of like kind of concern in terms of like how that data shapes everything but at the end of the day, I feel like The people that you're talking about are so focused on Big Data numbers. Anyway, like we probably have already been you know, if there's anything bad to come from this kind of stuff. We've probably already been paying too much for retro Jordans or something, you know, I don't entirely disagree but I do disagree, but I don't want to seem like I'm arguing so I'm going to say that but I think it's a great conversation. Since 2010 11, you know, there's definitely been inflation. Right and there's been material taxes and import taxes and all these things have changed quite a bit. So I would actually blame a lot of that in the price increase versus the data. Just just knowing from working on the inside. You know, there was a huge time there was a long period there where Jordan produce shoes with kind of crappy quality material. Yeah and just just from reading the reviews, you know. Not from working on them because I didn't work on them at the time but then they had upgrade back to high quality materials. That's a cost increase right? And so to see it all depends on the exact model, you know, we'd have to see specific studies on this kind of stuff but I mean the import taxes and things like that. You can't you can't say there nothing. I mean, they are definitely impacting. I'd love to know from the inside of one of these Brands like, you know, what's their profit on shoes now versus 10 years ago. Because I bet you it's less actually I bet the cost of making shoes has gone up more than the prices that they've raised, you know, hyperadapt, you know, excluding because it's a concept car that was a new new product, you know, right kind of different scenario there with brand new technologies like that, you know an initial Flyknit. I think new technologies always cost more to come out with initially, right, but I think you know based on the the secondary Market. I mean if it was me and my whole world On the secondary Market, you know 10 years ago. I would have Jack prices up big time and tried to take the bottom out of that. Secondary Market. I mean nobody did though so, you know, if people are buying shoes for 500 dollars on the secondary Market, why wouldn't you just double your price right there on the spot from 120 to 240? So to me that's really interesting than the whole Dynamics there where you know, everyone selling your shoes on the secondary market for double triple price. Why aren't You raising your prices? So I think this is really complex issue which you know, if any of the viewers have Insight on this I would love to know more understanding. Yeah, absolutely. And again, I'm making this all up off the top of my head which probably isn't the best thing to do. But you know with obviously with Nick with his experience and Tiffany with her experience. We've all kind of shared our thoughts and I would love love love if any of you guys can leave us some notes at outside pods and maybe It into this on the next episode where you guys tell us what you thought what you think. Why did Footlocker invest a hundred million? Do you think it's worth it for Footlocker? Does this make you look at Foot Locker differently or does this make you look at Goat differently. Does this make you look at the secondary Market differently and if any of you guys are actually in the industry and you know a little bit more about this and you want to share it with us, let us know and we can share some of your feedback anonymously we will we will definitely keep your identity hidden if you want to share some comments with us, so don't worry about us being like yeah, it was Todd. Here's a Nike ID number is 74-62 to one and now you don't have to worry about that at all. So feel free to share with us. If you want to share something in anonymously just let us know and again that's outside pods all over the internet's I bought the place for dating advice to write if you wanted to just hash tag Anonymous well, Yeah, yeah, just yeah hashtag it Anonymous, but I think it's more effective if I can like really let you know specifically I wanted to you know, I want to talk to you. But again if you want to be anonymous, I'm okay with that, by the way, you're now officially referred to on our new YouTube channel as The Love Guru shock. All right, and you know what? I don't want. I'll embrace it, you know if that's what they if that's what they want to call me. I'll embrace it. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with being a Love Guru. I mean, I mean with the type of insight and knowledge that I'm able to share the wisdom that I'm able to pass on Guru Guru. I mean, it feels appropriate I'll just say that it does it does for the program. So I was gonna say it feels not quite enough. No, no, no. It well, I think it's appropriate. I think it's appropriate. Of course, of course, they can take it a step further. But you know, we won't push we won't play we'll go we'll go we'll go with Guru that works. But anyway, the reason I know earlier in this episode I talked about being in the air B&B. It's because I'm in Charlotte for for all-star weekend and something that is kind of caught. My attention is All-Star sneakers. I feel like the energy that we've had in the past around All-Star sneakers. Who has died and I'm not sure if that is one because maybe the culture is just tired of All-Star sneakers, or is it just that Brands don't think it's worth it anymore to invest in that way for All-Star being that it's such a singular event. I don't know but it makes me sad a little bit to be honest. I don't get it. I mean, I've never gotten it I It's like All-Stars at the end of the basketball season practically. Like why are you introducing new shoes? Like? Oh, it's not go to the go to the beginning go to the beginning. So everyone when they start their basketball season and fall where high school and college and everybody starts and fall, right? Like they can get the new shoes. I mean to me, it's just a little bit of a too long of a gap from when actual people play basketball to the NBA. Although it's very fun event and pretty exciting times. Like I'd love to see more crazy shoes like that. Maybe aren't going to be the next big shoe. But yeah, I don't know how to put it because it's in the it's at the end of the season. It's just before playoffs, right? Yeah this I mean technically it's like supposed to be like the middle of the season but it's cool. It is closer to the towards the end. Yeah, and it is super awkward because now we're playing a new shoes like hello. Yeah, it's super awkward to because like you said like the average person like the the kids in high school or Junior High are playing, you know, or like even in college right College ends in March essentially. So you're you're basically like all those people are like done with their season so to speak but I have always thought that the timing of that has been weird, especially like the Cadence of like releases. Is always like I feel like the Brand's try to spread them out, right? Like Nike doesn't want to release a brand new KD and a brand-new Kyrie and the same week because they want to have like independent marketing campaigns for each but but the reality is like that's not how it works. You know, like the real world is like Hey, we're starting to play, you know, like what's out there knew that we want but I do agree like it feels like there's just like a lack of energy around like All-Star releases. I feel like there's just been it's tough to it's tough to compare to like the the craziness of like the first time you saw like the you know, the I guess like the NASA themed stuff back in 2012 or whatever that was with like the Galaxy phones and and that kind of stuff because that was like so crazy over the top and I think to me that was like the peak energy and fun that was being had with like product and you know, That like if you know not to take away from All-Star because if you've never been to All Star like you should definitely try to go and check it out because it's like the events and like the stuff that the people that are there and the Brand's always do cool stuff and fun stuff. I'm just speaking specifically about like the sneakers. I just feel like we've kind of seen a lot of the same stuff repeated and you know, like I would love to see more stuff like Tiffany suggested like just like something crazy, you know, like I don't know like just do something that nobody's expecting. And and have like a new product that you hadn't even talked about or something. So all right to well two things first, since you mrs. Mentioned NASA we're going to have a brief moment of silence for the opportunity Rover the bit on Mars for eight months and it's been radio silent for eight months. And NASA is finally saying goodbye and it pains me a little bit second thing. I just I just like literally thought about this. We're talking about it and like you guys are right like the basketball season for most people is over by the time All-Star rolls around and the other thing is it may be, you know, just the energy around athletes and their sneakers athlete sneakers is dying and it's moving more towards like celebrities and stuff like that. And that's where the energy is and they don't necessarily participate in all-star weekend. So the energy is not going to be the saying when you know culturally people. All aren't checking for the athletes in the same way that they were before. So maybe that has to do with it too. But that's a good both great. That's a good call out, you know, because I remember when I first watch All-Star I was like And this I could be dating myself, but I was like, where's Michael like he's not going to be out there donkey. Where's the brawn dunking like like the slam dunk contest for sure is they the iconic thing of all start right, or maybe I'm just out of the loop totally possible. But like we're on the big players out there like showing us their skills, right? Like it seems like sometimes some I'm sure you don't get all the a performers out there and and it's just kind of like well, where are like? Okay, they don't want to get hurt for playoff school. But this is All-Star weekend. And you're an all star get your butt out here throwing some crazy shoes and let's see what you got like. Yeah, I agree not to me that kind of it's not really an All-Star experience. It's not the best players. It's I mean, it's a lot. I mean the NBA has amazing players, right? I'm not trying to rip on anybody but like show us. What you know LeBron Katie show us what you do in your spare time, when you're bored. I guarantee you were doing some dumb dunks and some like silly stuff. That's probably awesome and like show it to us like bring it out. Like let's have let's be human a little bit. Yeah, I agree. I think I think like that's always been like for the past like probably I don't know maybe like seven eight years that's been an issue right because as you know, As a fan you want to see like the absolute superstars of the sport out there all weekend having a good time in playing but then but then like you've the the league has extended this whole, you know event of three, you know, now for five days even and the superstars are really only their Sunday for the most part right and like you get to see, you know, maybe Steph Curry and Klay Thompson those guys Three-Point Contest or skills competitions, but like you're not seeing LeBron out. There you rarely see in like 80 or anybody like that where it's like your top, you know, let's say top 10 20 people in the league players in the league aren't out there until Sunday. It kind of I don't know. It's kind of lost its you know, appeal in my opinion because of that. Yeah, that's a that's a good point. That's good point it that that energy that used to be around. It isn't necessarily there anymore. It feels like people are kind of stepping away from it and not participating in the way that we that we would like them to and maybe that's just goes to our expectations or maybe just goes to the athletes, you know? Yeah, I mean Jacques have an awesome time there. It'll be amazing. Yeah. Yeah, it should be it should be fun. It'll be it'll be fun. But at the same time, you know, you do want to see those guys play anyway. Well, I think that this is a good show. I love the talk we had today. This is good. This one's good. I think this is our first like real like disagreement when it came to the easy stuff. We don't usually disagree on most things we generally along the same lines. We may have a few variations on things. But this is the first time I think we were we were like no, it's good. I love it. I love it for you guys listening as always. I just want to say thank you guys for listening. We really do appreciate you. Make sure you find us on outside pods. I am Jacques Slade you can find the all over the Internet that Cousteau that's custa or oh that's on the Instagrams on the Twitter's on the YouTubes on the Grinders bumbles tenders and on Pinterest and maybe even on LinkedIn if you look hard enough, but this show would not be What it is with just me it would just be like one madman rambling on a street corner, which is not something that's interesting at all. I have two very very intelligent. Very wise very insightful people on this show and they make they make my job so much easier easier Nick go ahead. Tell them where they can find and they came ball at making vowel on all platforms at Sneakers history at Sneaker history on all platforms. And yeah it is it was this was definitely a fun show. I enjoyed the debates. So Tiffany go ahead and let them know how they can find you to be beers. You can find me at TI F fa + YB ERS and that's on Instagram and YouTube and I just want to say it first, you know, I disagree with Jacques and Nick tonight. This could be my last show. So you guys comment you let us know we'll see how it goes. Wish me luck. Not at all. Not at all. You are. The reason you are the reason both Nick and I are even doing this show if it wasn't for you. No one would listen to you. So again, you guys can reach us at on outside Todd's leave us any questions you have again any relationship advice you need doesn't matter what sort of relationship you're in. I have the information that'll help as always. We appreciate you guys. Thank you. For listening listening and we'll see you in hit. Talk to you guys soon. Peace.

On Episode 4 of Season 2 we reveal when we've fallen for the hype, have our first big disagreement about the Nike YEEZYS, discuss the Foot Locker x GOAT partnership, and the problems with NBA All-Star sneaker releases. 3:40 When did we fall for the hype and regret it? 4:10 Is everyone over the Yeezy trend?? 5:10 “I don’t want to show up and ten people have on the same shoes I have on.” - Jacques 5:45 "I fall for my own hype.” - Nick 7:20 “No, this is really cool enough to put up with the pain [of wearing them].” - Nick 8:20 “As an employee…you don’t end up with a collection of 300 pairs of shoes without thinking something is going to be hyped.” - Tiffany 8:40 "I found myself buying shoes I didn’t like.” - Tiffany 9:20 “We all fall for the hype. The brands rely on it.” - Tiffany 10:00 Nike Air Yeezy 1 versus Nike Air Yeezy 2 10:20 “I COMPLETELY DISAGREE! !” - Tiffany 11:25 Teaching Kanye West About The Sneaker Business 12:40 TALK THAT TALK TIFFANY! 13:00 Jacques is biased 15:00 Nick misses the old Kanye 16:30 Making mistakes happens 17:25 Our prediction was wrong 18:15 What happened to the GOAT x Kyle Kuzma deal? 19:30 Do you take three pairs to the gym? 23:00 “I think having an NBA player makes it more legitimate.” - Jacques 23:45 Foot Locker Invests $100 Million In GOAT 24:30 How big is the secondary market for sneakers? 26:00 Breaking down the SNEAKER MARKET vs. RESELL MARKET 33:25 Can Foot Locker take advantage of resale prices now? 36:00 Is there a difference between retail and resale? It’s all sneakers 42:00 The cost of production increases since 2011 45:00 We want to hear from you! 46:40 Jacques aka “The Love Guru” 47:20 All-Star Sneakers - The Energy Has Died 48:00 When the NBA plays versus when amateurs play 48:35 “I’d love to see more crazy shoes.” - Tiffany  49:30 The cadence of sneaker releases in basketball 51:10 A moment of silence 52:00 Where are the superstars in the dunk contest? 56:48 WILL THIS BE TIFFANY’s LAST SHOW?

Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I have doc Bud from Doc buds High bricks on Instagram. That's D. OC B UD es h i GH B RI X on Instagram. Doc Bud comes on the show today to talk about why having a high bricks reading is essential when growing at home throughout the podcast he goes on to explain why he believes your bricks reading will play an important role in growing your own in the years to come doc. Bud answers important questions during this podcast including why he believes Growers aren't paying attention to their bricks reading. What's the difference between a high and low bricks reading? What's a respectable bricks reading foliar feeding and many other questions as well before the podcast begins. You can find me on Instagram Twitter Facebook and YouTube all at cheap home grow. This podcast is information packed. So please rate review subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine the cheap home grow podcast will also feature a timely interviews with cannabis industry. Veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shane McCormick from the chief homegirl podcast. And on today's show. We have doc Bud from Doc Bud hybrid x.com and he is going to be telling us about why he feels you should care about your brick reading in your kid. Nimbus but before he does Doc, if you could could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the topic of conversation? Yeah. Sure. Thanks for having me on I I'm a I think I'm fairly typical of the new generation of cannabis users. I'm in my 50s late 50s and you know, of course during high school and so forth. I smoked some cannabis back in the day and then got Both some time in college and stopped and then I picked it up again in my late mid to late 40s. The reason I picked it up again is because my wife was having trouble sleeping and so somehow she found out the Cannabis worked like magic and of course, I was always an organic Gardener and when this started working I realized hey, maybe we can grow our own cannabis and the laws in California were allowing us to do so, and so we Did and that goes back about 12 years when I started growing, of course, I went to the marijuana forms online and learned a bunch of information some of which sounded really fishy and suspicious to me. But you know, I'd never grown it before and so over the course of about two years. I was able to sort of figure out that growing cannabis is not mysterious. It's not unique to any other plant as a matter of fact, it's similar to every other plan. And so I stopped paying attention to all the crazy not all bad advice, but generally bad advice on the pot forums and went back to my roots as an organic Gardener and that's where my journey began and it's taking you to where I am right now, which is I think pretty Advanced organic gardening. I do have a undergraduate degrees in biology with a lot of Botany and That I've audited courses at the University level in Horticulture and soil science soil Agronomy and all kinds of things like that. So I actually know a couple of things about this more than just experience and tradition. I have a bit of a science background as well. And so that brings us pretty much up to speed. Okay? Well, you know doc, you know, thank you for coming on the show. I really do appreciate it right on and Doc really? I mean my my first question and you know, I guess you can say I tease this in the intro but really I mean why should a home grower care about their bricks reading? Yeah. Well so bricks. Let me first describe what this reading actually is sure. You've all all of us have experienced leaving a glass of water out on the table in the Sun hits it and you see a rainbow, okay? If you've experienced that light is bent when it passes through a substance even through a window, you know, or a crystal or something and so liquid will bend light. It turns out that the more stuff is that is in the liquid the more dissolved chemicals the more sugar the more mineral content or whatever is in the liquid. The more of that there is the more the light bends and so what a bricks reading is is simply a measurement of how much Such a given liquid bends light when it passes through. So how does that translate into plants? Well plant sap or or you know, fruit juice or however you want to measure it but the material in between the cells in the plant and the material in the cells the liquidy sappy stuff the more nutrition in that plant the more dissolved matter in the liquid and the more the light will bend and so a higher Brix reading. So you could go go to the store and buy carrots that don't taste like anything and you might get a very low bricks reading on that and then you can try a carrot grown by a high bricks Gardener and it tastes like candy with a vague carrot flavor. You almost think you're eating a carrot flavor dessert and that's going to have a really high bricks reading. And so the bottom line is that the higher the bricks the better it tastes and that holds true with cannabis as well as food. Okay. Alright. So so the the higher the reading the better the taste and and I guess presumably the better the quality that you are actually growing is that is that a fair statement to a make dock without a doubt the quality is higher, but I would I want to quantify what I mean by quality. Okay, you could if your definition of quality is percent THC then The quality may or may not be higher with high bricks. The THC levels can be achieved in Hydroponics. You don't need to have hydric soil to get high THC. But it's all those other terpenes that go along with the THC and has the Entourage effect. Those terpenes are going to be significantly elevated when we get into higher Brix, and so the product may not be any more potent as far as getting you. Toned but the terpenes in the flavors and some of the other wonderful things. The Cannabis does is going to come out in a really unique and many times unusual way. You know people that have smoked hybrids read for the first time they can tell instantly it's different and there's a there's a few characteristics about it that are different than normal marijuana. And so I would say the quality is a lot higher but not if we just Define quality as potency there's more to it than just that I mean, what is the difference between a plant that has a high bricks and low bricks reading? Okay. Well the overall plant health is going to be very different. Okay. First of all, when we're talking about hybrid soil, we're talking about a very high calcium soil calcium is the number one mineral the number one thing we want in our soil. We don't we do care about NPK, you know, but that's really secondary to calcium and so the first characteristic of a hybrid plant Is that the stems are really strong like remarkably strong and that's because when the plants growing its using calcium to form the cell walls as opposed to potassium in a low brick situation, the plants will form cell walls with potassium. And so that plants going to be floppier softer not as vigorous. So that's number one support or as much trellising and this actually does allow the plant to grow. Roger buds when you have high bricks, but there's another aspect as well. And if you look at hybrids plants, you can see quite a few examples on our Instagram and on our website. By the way, the website is Doc buds. Rick's Bri x.com. If you look at pictures of hybrids plants, one of the things you'll notice is what people call the high bricks Shine. The leads are shiny almost reflective and they can be different shades of green but there's this Actually shiny aspect to the leaves and that's very important because indeed there is a wax on the leaf with high bricks and it is the plants natural pest repellent actions. So the plants immune system is way more stimulated when you have higher Brix than lower and so you can have insects on your plants and you won't even know it because they don't damage the plant. I always tell people in my indoor garden. And that you know, we have a Mite zoo in here. We've got yeah, we have spider mites you bet. You'll never see them. You'll never see any damage on the plant the mites aren't very healthy. They're barely alive, but they're struggling to survive in there and we just don't even worry about it. Whereas every now and then something will happen for one reason or the other and I'll have a sick plant in there and in no time at all. I can see insect damage on that plan instead of spraying it. I just throw it out and that doesn't happen very Often it's very unusual. But once your bricks readings get over 12 or 13 your pest issues pretty much go away. Really. Yeah, and it's I mean, we have Growers using our our products who have been growing for six years in the same spot and who have never had mites growing indoors for six years and never getting Mike's. Yeah, and they're not in the North Pole either. These are people in areas in your with might infections and they've had them in the past but For whatever reason they were able to keep those plants healthy that you know, there's just they don't have an issue with spider mites and we don't you know, we really don't worry about stuff like that in high bricks. We just allow them to do their thing and rarely do we have any issues with insect pressure If having high bricks means that you won't have any pest issues then how come a lot of Growers are not paying attention to their bricks reading? In my opinion. So this is an opinion. First of all, I wouldn't say that people who grow High bricks never have any pest issues because I think that's inaccurate. I would say that we have far fewer pests issues and I don't want to I mean, I don't say slightly fewer. I mean far fewer but we're not without issues anything can happen, especially in a greenhouse sure, you know, you can you can have a bad day where your environment goes south for a couple days to plants weekend and you can get Tissue so we have far fewer issues. But the reason people aren't paying attention to this in my opinion is because one the average marijuana farmer is uneducated relatively and is relying on tradition and that's not all bad. I'm a big fan of tradition but along with tradition there needs to be some sort of an under lying ability to understand what's actually going on when we grow plants. And a lot of Growers simply lack that they don't have the education. They were never taught that way. They've been worrying about avoiding police and things like that and they're really good at doing that but maybe not so good at understanding microbiology and soil science. So I think the tides changing though what I always refer to as the prohibition-style growing, you know, where everything we've been doing for the past 20 years with cannabis growing has been designed to avoid detection. To avoid smells and odors, you know to grow on the you know growing visibly. So no one knows you're doing it and so different methods become very popular with the prohibition mindset. Certainly Hydroponics is one of them you can you know, you can go crazy with that and no one knows what you're doing. It all goes right down the drain, but now that we're out of prohibition it's time to emphasize quality and not just, you know, clandestine activity. We need stealth is not as important as quality. Now whereas in the past stealth was very important, especially on the west coast where you guys are it's been legal to grow in California for what maybe reason 20 years or maybe 10 years 20 years. I'm not really sure it's 20 years. Yeah, I get my by decades mix-up. I think it was the late 90s, but even then in our County even though you could have a medical card it said you were allowed to grow, you know, however many plants that didn't stop the police from totally throwing you in jail and destroying all your And then afterwards saying, you know, oh, we're sorry right stealth was really a big issue until even three or four years ago. Unfortunately, we just legalized cannabis out here. So that makes it more illegal than it's been in a long time. Well, well, well, hold on. You said you guys just legalize them. Now that makes it you said little legal or illegal if I'm or less legal the way things went here. You know imagine this the politicians lied. Can you believe it? I mean I'm shocked. All right, you know the bill was set out and it was called, you know, legal legalize recreational marijuana and indeed it legalized recreational marijuana, but it created regulations that were placed under the medical marijuana model and these regulations have made people that were formerly perfectly legal growers in the criminals overnight. And so but that's another matter that Nothing to do with bricks readings. But right now I don't know what to think of hybrids gardening as something that we're heading into. It's not a fringe method of gardening. It's something when things are out in the open and quality is your only goal. You're not trying to hide it you're not trying to grow as much of it as you possibly can per square foot. You just want the best you can get hydraulics is the way to go. No, there's no question about it. It's that way in vegetables and it holds true in marijuana as well. Well, okay doc. Now. My next question for you is this I mean what you know, what is the difference between a hybrid soil and quote regular soil? Okay. So it all has to do with the composition of the soil. Okay, and when we do a soil test and all hybrids gardening begins with a soil test unless you're using one of the soils that we already have tested, you know, one of the commercial. In soils like pro-mix or something where we already have products formulated for that soil. If you're trying to use your own soil in your yard, we start with a soil test and the way we do it is with a very weak acid not a strong acid. So it's not like the one they do down at the County ag extension or at the University. This is a little different test. We try to mimic the strength of acid that would be found in the roots of the plant, you know, you've heard of humic and fulvic acids in these things. This is what the oil uses to digest stuff in the soil and feed it to the plant. So we do that soil test and we're looking for the balance of all the major and minor elements starting with nitrogen going right on down to zinc and selenium. All of them were looking at the pH of the soil and here's here's one where people get tripped up all the time. We're looking at the total organic matter in the soil and one of the big issues that separates our Brick soils from regular organic soil is that we keep our organic matter down to about 5% in our soil and think of a volcano in the and that dirt on the other Red Dirt on the side of the volcano that doesn't have a lot of organic matter in it, but it's very fertile soil. And so people that load up their soils with manure hours and feather meals and bone meal and blood meal and all this sort of thing. There are ganic matters Sky High And that doesn't mean it's good because it starts to choke out the microbial action in the soil. Once you go over about eight percent organic matter. So we keep ours down to 5% and that allows basically a hyperactive soil where the microbes are so frisky. You can throw a leaf on top of the soil and come back in two days in the leaf is covered by mycelium and five days later. It's gone. It's almost like the stuff gets out and goes around the house looking for something to eat it. Really living, you know, people talk all about living organic soil. Hi brick soil is like way more alive than any soil I've ever seen. I've never seen mycelium form like it does in our soils and you know, we just we see a digest roots and stems and days it's incredible and that's because the composition is just right we've got tons of calcium in the soil and we make sure that our ratios between major and minor elements. You're correct. T' a common mistake with regular organic gardening is the potassium levels are Sky High. You cannot achieve High bricks with a high potassium level. You need to keep your potassium level 18 times lower than your calcium and we see soils all the time that we test where the potassium levels 30 times higher than calcium and it's supposed to be 18 times lower than calcium. And so there are some big differences with the composition of the soil. That's really the key. What's in your soil. L can the microbial life thrive in your soil and that's really all what it's all about. We're trying to create the maximum microbial action. We can in the soil and well and with that microbial action in the soil the higher your bricks reading theoretically it is going to be without a doubt. Yeah you the way plants feed themselves is there's two ways they can do it passively. By absorbing salts, the classic example is Hydroponics, but they're not the only example, I mean corporate farming where they grow, you know Acres of tomatoes that tastes like water bags. They grow them to be the same size and shape. So they transport properly. That's true. Those those are grown in with salt fertilizers and sterile soil. And so those are low bricks so you can have low bricks and soil but you can't have high bricks and hydro, I'm sorry to say it's because We need the surface area of the roots. So when you get into the proper type of soil, you don't longer have those big thick feeder roots that you see circling around pots that appear rootbound. You can barely see the roots because they're so fine. They're fine root hairs and yet when you pop a root ball out it all holds together. So the soil is completely colonised by microscopically fine root hairs, which means there's a ton of surface area exposed to the soil. And all the microbial action is feeding that plant everything they could possibly hope for and then we take it even one step further. We foliar fief so will will spray the leaves of the plant with a dilute nutrient solution specially designed to go with our soils and that causes a bunch of sugars to be formed in the leaves which the plant then sends down to the soil in the form of root exudates. You can look this stuff up if anybody's listening and exudate is how the plant feeds the soil. And so then when it feeds the soil it also signals the soil to bring more of this or more of that and so we're actually turbocharging this process where the soil feeds the plant and the plant feeds the soil. We're turbocharging this process with a foliar spray. And so that's where we get the bricks to go over from 14 to 18. So you can you can grow a moderately hybrids plant without the foliar feeds. But once you start doing that then the magic just goes it takes on a whole new. Other life of its own amazing things happen and believe it or not. This is the way plants are designed naturally to grow foliar feeding. You think of it as a rainstorm washing all the dirt off the leaves. Okay. Yeah. Alright. So so basically foliar feeding works synergistically with a high bricks reading the Hartford soi-yah soi-yah soi-yah this the foliar feeding combined with the hybrid soil is going to increase the bridge. Reading it's going to be increase the nutrient density in the in the crop basically just make it better in every way and so foliar feeding is a very important part of hi Brooks gardening the thing. I just want to caution. The listeners is don't just go out and buy a foliar spray and spray it on your plants. If the soil is not right. It won't do any good at all and you could actually experience nutrient lockout right? Because it's it's all based on osmotic pressure in the plant and you know, Lance where where the overwatered, you know, if you water too much trouble plant Drew, it's not happy. If you don't water enough it dries out that's all osmotic pressure. And so you can create an issue with a foliar spray that isn't designed right? And so we always caution people just don't spray some crop on your plants that some cousin of yours has a friend in Mendo the told you about this thing you do have a foliar spray that's designed to go with the crop and the soil so Saul that we do all that stuff. Right, right. Okay. All right, and I've never done this before so I mean and I'm on your site. It's you know, and for you listeners out there. It is Doc buds bricks.com. That's tocb UDS Bri X and I am looking at your site here. How do you actually take? How do you physically take a bricks rating? What do you have to do? Yeah, that's a really good question. Okay, so I highly recommend if you're going to take a breaks reading and if you're interested in this stuff first, you buy a refractometer, you can get a decent one for 35 bucks. The one we recommend is the one that the wine grape Growers use is they're taking pics readings all the time in the fall to figure out when to harvest. Okay? Okay, and so you can get them one of these for 35 bucks and then get a mortar and pestle a stainless steel one, preferably or something like that. That and so what we recommend is that you only take a reading of healthy plant tissue and I like to take a reading of the same part of the plant every single time. So I'll usually take the first feeder Branch off the lowermost branch of the plant. So if you picture the lowers most branch of the cannabis plant and there's a little Feeder feeder Branch growing off of that Branch, you know, and it's just going to form popcorn as we say So but it's healthy it's down there. So I'll clip that off mash it up and it's very important to thoroughly mash it because you want to crush the cell walls on of that material and then you take that and you squeeze a few drops on the refractometer and stick it up to your eyeball and it'll give you a clear reading and you can't lll tell where you're at. You can tell if you're a 10 bricks 1218. You don't go over 18 to off and there's some people doing some outdoor work that are getting bricks up into the The 20s low likely 21 you need the Sun for that if you're indoors, you're not going to get that high. But the next time you take a reading take it exactly the same way never take a reading of dried out tissue, you know dried out material that you're going to throw away always healthy vibrant tissue. And so I basically take bricks readings when I'm pruning so and agile, you know, when I'm shaping the plant for the balloon room up clip off some of these little accessory branches and Like I said, I always take the lowest most branch. And the first one if you wanted to do it a different way, that would be fine. But I just recommend you always take your measurements the same way every single time because then you have a really accurate description of what's going on with your with your claim the vast majority of the of the cheap home grow listeners, right? They are growing indoors. So I mean what is a respectable bricks number that they should you know that they should try and Target in their next grow on my best days with strains. I'm familiar with I might get a reading 17. Maybe Amy pushing 18 so that to me that's pretty high on my worst days. I might get a reading of 13 or 14 now back when I was doing other kinds of soil and when I first started measuring this stuff, I Getting readings of 9 and 10. Okay, so we found over the years with you know, a lot of people testing our equipment and you know, we've got kind of a neat Community where we're back and forth on this there's actually people using my gear that are better at doing what I do than I am they use are here but they're gifted Growers. And so we've got this whole, you know input from all these people. What are your bricks numbers? What are your bricks numbers? And what we've discovered is that once you get over 12, you're going to see the hybrid shine. Fine, you're going to see the strong stems. You're going to see a big drop off in pest issues. And those terpenes are just start to come out. Once you take over 14 or 15 now all of a sudden your whole cannabis has changed taste way different really smooth really unique and unusual and there's this other weird little thing that we've noticed is that there's no ceiling to high bricks we'd know some stuff you can smoke. Five or six hits of it in yours high as you're going to get right and you start feeling bad after if you smoke more you can smoke this stuff all day long and it just keeps going and it keeps going and it's really really interesting and I think it has to do with all these accessory terpenes in these really interesting smells that come out of the high bricks weed and there's one other big thing. And again, I'm speculating here because no research has been done on this but when you have a low bricks oil, you cannot form proteins, you can form carbohydrates. So for instance the soil that is used to grow corn that tends to be a very high nitrogen low bricks type soil. It'll grow corn great. But if you wanted to grow some crop that has a lot of protein in it that crop would not do well at all. And so it's the same thing with the soil. We used to grow marijuana if we're using a regular potting soil. That's sky high in potassium we can grow Rates in that soil, but we can't grow protein very well. So the marijuana that we grow in the hydric soil is a higher protein version of marijuana. So it's different it actually is nutritionally different and it's chemically different and it's psycho actively different and I happen to love it. I and most people that try it can't quite believe it. So that's all I'm really interested. I want I want my bricks up 15 or higher and once you try it you'll never go back. Yeah, well, I mean in my well, I mean I ask because I'm going I'm going to be germinating seed soon, you know, probably hopefully when within the next couple of weeks, so I want to you know II wouldn't mind giving this a shot. So we'll ship you a kid out there and you can get the shot and talk about it on your show. And I don't know what else you do if you have any blogging or anything like that, but for sure we'll hook up. No question. Thank you, man. I really do. I really do appreciate. That I think I already know the answer to this question. I'm going to ask it anyway, in terms of your bricks reading doesn't matter. You know, what type of cannabis you are growing. Well it matters in in a certain sense. For instance. Okay, there are some strains and I call these Franken strains. That's my term that I coined for them where they defrost this has been crossed with that and crossed with that and then accidentally somebody did this and crossed it with that and you have this strain who the heck knows what it is. It's a Frankenstein and some of these strains have really poor root systems. And so consequently they don't do well at all in soil. But boy do they do well in Hydroponics? Okay. So if you're growing a Frankenstein and high bricks, you're not going to get as much of a bricks reading as you would if you're growing a landrace strain, so something that's been living in soil for thousands of years. You put that in hydric soil and you're going to get something magical you get a string that was bred to be grown in Hydroponics and does really well in Hydroponics. I'm thinking of like a San Fernando Valley OG Kush, right? That's just a wonderful up some strain everyone loves it. But people like the Hydra version of it because the root system so poor it just doesn't grow that well in soil it's still nice, but it's nothing like growing a Santa Marta Colombian red. Or a you know, some outdoor type strain, they like a Romulan or something that's been growing Outdoors for a long time. Pakistani landrace strains are just phenomenal in high bricks. You open a jar on one side of the house. You can smell it on the other side in like three seconds. It's so insane. But if the plant does well in a native type soil, then it's going to go great and high bricks if the plant does better in Hydro. You may or may not get good results in high bricks. It's hard to say but that's really only holds true for a few literal handful of strains most of the time they're going to excel in a good soil, you know, doc. I mean as as you know, my podcast is called cheap home grow, right? So, you know, it's my listeners they primarily grow indoors and like me they are cheap so, you know my people right? Yeah exactly. Ali this next question that I have for you is it's pretty simple, right? You know, how much does this whole process actually cost the whole process now, are you including lighting and environmental controls are just the hi brick stuff? No, no just the hybrid stuff. So the vast majority of our customers are growing six plants or fewer the vast majority. Okay. And so you're going to spend $50 on a bale of promix HP. And then you're going to spend $30 on a big bag of worm castings and then you're going to spend ninety two dollars. I'm sorry $98 for a high bricks kit and that high bricks kit will grow six plants seed to harvest. So if you're growing six plants at a time, it's going to be $92 per cycle. However, obviously if you buy in a little bit of bulk and don't buy it a kid every time you grow. You know you buy the stuff in larger quantities, then you can get the price way down. And as a matter of fact our gallons if you buy something, but from by the gallon you're going to get about 50% discount over if you sourced it all via kit. So we're looking at about you know, once people are into it and they've got things up and running about 40 to 45 dollars a cycle as far as the cost of your nutrients. And that's pretty good because we reuse the soil. We recycle it and we and it gets better over time. If it's done, right? Well, I mean if just from just some quick math in my head if you're spending 45 bucks per cycle and you get six plants that's around maybe 750 per plant, you know, so yeah. Yeah. I mean that's that's right, but we're talking again about the highest quality here. The process it's not outrageous. It's a really good price. It's a lot less than it would be if you went like with Dutch Master or House and Garden or their full line great products. I'm not knocking them but they are more expensive quite a bit more expensive. Yes, they and so it's a lot less expensive. Yeah. It's a lot less money than using a traditional nutrient line. But you know, if you really just for on a total budget you couldn't afford anything. I just say, you know throw some osmocote plus out there. And just grow them in your yard. Just dig a hole around in your lawn remove the grass throw some osmocote put a plan in there. Yeah, you know, you never know it might be okay, and that would be really cheap, but we're actually talking more about a connoisseur quality than cheapest smoke available and we can get the Consular quality for a very low price doc. I mean, I'm on your site here and for you listeners out there go to Doc buds bricks.com. That's docb UDS. Bri x.com - Bud - washing and I know that we talked about this prior to the recording and Michael when he came on the podcast a couple of months ago. He talked about this as well. But since you're the guy presumably in the video on this webpage, can you please explain to me what you know what bud washing is and why? It's important when when growing your own sure, it's probably but washing is probably the best idea I ever had. Okay, so, you know if you make every now and then you go through life you make some really dumb the decisions and hopefully make a few Smart Ones. Sure, maybe the smartest one I ever made was blood washing. Okay, and so again, I was going through this phase where I was in Bible. All this information from the Cannabis forms and realizing that this is really bad information. I'm going to ignore all this and so I was in this Frame of Mind where are you know cannabis was the same as a vegetable. We wash our vegetables we wash our lettuce. Why wouldn't we wash our cannabis? And I really I knew that plants could be outdoors and get rained on and it didn't wash all the trichomes off. So I took the Bold step of making a homemade produce wash from lemon juice and baking soda and that's just a simple surfactant people with the chemistry background can understand how that works. But it washes stuff off stuff. That's it works great. And so I dip the buds into this lemon juice baking soda solution as described on the website and then rinsed and just like I was cleaning glasses at a bar. You know, you have the Soapy bin and then the water In the water been and that's how you clean your you know, your mugs at a bar. I did the same thing with buds from bucket the bucket the bucket and the first bucket was dirty as can be and this is with an indoor crop and I realized really fast. Wow, none of this stuff is going into my lungs or into my cookies or whatever it is. And of course as soon as you smoke washed buds, you never you're never going to not wash your buds. You're going to wash them every time once you've tried them and so there's He's just no good reason to not watch them. Imagine. If you were going to let us down in your basement, right you'd wash that right. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely have to Pure light stuff for Pete's sake they get coated in all kinds of crud. Marijuana is the stickiest thing in the room folks it is if the your lights it's on your buds. Let's just get real. Let's stop joke around about this if you want to inhale all that and most of it's just dead skin cells. Let's get grow just about it a little differently. Andres little dead skin if you want to be smoking that stuff be my guest. I don't right. I don't I don't wash produce and people that again, it's just you try this one time and you will skip it is the greatest thing ever washing butts when you see what comes off of it. It's just amazing. So everyone out there. I don't care. If you do high bricks wash your buds people, please I'm glad you said that there because I mean is Bud washing and high bricks are they? They related in any way or are they not at all even remotely related to one another they're only related because I I'm the first to document how to wash buds on the internet. All right, cool not to wash them for like I know cervantes's he's an awesome guy. He has a process for remediation of powdery mildew where he uses a peroxide walk and that's fantastic, but I'm Not doing it for mediation. I'm doing it for improved quality. And so as far as I know, I'm the first one to do it but tons of people are doing it now. So, you know, it's nothing to take credit for it simply good advice for folks but is it related to high bricks? No, it won't raise your bricks numbers at all. But what it will do is improve the quality of whatever it is you've grown but with high but here's here is one caveat when we're growing hybrid crops were. Spraying stuff on them all the time and most of that is liquid fish that's been acidified. So it will penetrate the waxy barrier of the leaf and I don't want to smoke any liquid fish and I cook any liquid fish into my cookies, you know, or whatever and so we wash the crop off this it's a simple as that. Yeah. Alright, okay, and and really for you cheap home grow. Listeners out there go to Doc buds. Bricks.com Bud washing and they have a Instagram video. It's what it's about maybe like a minute long and it's I mean, it's it's it's pretty simple. So yeah, I'm definitely going to give this a shot on my next run for sure. You're going to be blown away. You won't believe it. My last question for you. Is this and this is a question that I'd like to ask everybody that comes on the A cheap home grow podcast and are there any questions that I should be asking and are there any final statements that you would like to make? Well, I think you did a great job asking the questions. Thank you. You're so people know, you know where where I'm coming from and where Mike who's my partner in all this and I make up doc buds High bricks. And so where we're coming from is we are fanatics. Mike, you know critic corporate job with high salary to be a marijuana farmer. He's a he's a bona fide fanatic. I'm a fanatic. I mean, I can't believe how much time and energy I put into this. It's been pure joy from day one. It's not like this has been drudgery. It's been fantastic, but we're all about quality. I would rather grow a plant that wait a half an ounce. It had legendary quality then grow up. Sound of stuff there was average and so everything we're doing our products everything. We're trying to accomplish is simply to improve the quality of the product of the final product the crop and most people that have used our products will readily say that it's the best they've ever had across the board people are getting 3200 of pound in California with hybrids. Can you believe that 32? It's a hundred a pound you said. Yep, they're absolutely Jesus. Yep. Yeah, that's it. And and I mean, I know these people I don't sell I don't sell anything. I'm not into that. We have friends we grow for and there's there's a few medical people here and there that that we provide for the we're not in this in the business of selling marijuana. We're in the business of helping people grow it so the quality is where it's at and if you want to try something unusually good that you've never Had before try High bricks and you know, I know I've plugged your site but for you listeners out there go to Doc buds. Bricks.com. Check him out. He's he is or they are on Instagram at Doc buds. Hi bricks. That's docb UDS Hig hbr I-X on Instagram. All right, doc. I mean I have to say that's it's pretty much all of the questions that I had for you today on the on the chief home grow podcast. So really that gum, I do appreciate you coming on the show and I would love to have you on the show again in the near future. I would love to come on and hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is sham a coma from the cheap homegirl podcast and thank you for listening to my podcast with dr. Bud. He can be found on Instagram at Doc buds. Hi bricks. That's D. OC B UD es H IG H BR IX on Instagram. You can also be found online at Doc buds bricks.com. 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Now out of all the things that happened I think it's most consistent with the person being beaten here. Right? So if you have cast off here and then you also have impact spatter, right? So we're we're hits the blood we had and then get started on the wall. So we have those two things together. Okay. Now we're putting together two pieces two different blood stains in correctly spatter, and that's what it's called in Clemson spatter not splatter. That's right. When you TV people that think your crime-scene experts and say splatter.You're wrong. So say spatter and you can I say sighs. I have a joke where I talk about blood spatter and I make sure I always say spat make sure I say it for all the people out there who still quell who are in the know right? You know who recognize the word for whatever reason if you're a mess when you know, the medicine medical world or forensics or cop if you just know that word spatter. It's like the saying it correctly. It's a secret handshake of the blood stain pattern. And analysts because now that the viewers know that right they're going to watch some Chief get on TV talking about a crime to be like, yeah, it was splattered over here or over there too. Yeah. Well, you know what it does is it kills that hey, what's up everybody? We're back man up here in Ossining New York to palatial Estates. It's me Mark the mayor with my partner in law enforcement Bill Cannon and we are here once again for police off the cuff before we start I just want to get this shirt on camera. Artie find artifacts station is is a shirt as a group that works with the veterans and the gold star families and they're looking for volunteers. I did a show a couple of months ago and like any good cop when I'm doing these benefit shows. I always like to look through a scam a couple T-shirts and always like right. Yeah, whatever whatever I can get. I'll take one of those hats to about a sweatshirt and I'm the comedian. I'm your headliner. So I have these shirts and then like I'm thinking to myself I threw it on today and this one's actually really comfortable. It's the fabric is awesome. And then I'm thinking to myself. You know, what I'm going to start wearing these shirts. So at least we get to promote them in the the good stuff that these causes feel Detective Pat. You just have to get the Extended Cut. He said that Pat and I'm me and what we want to hopefully we're going to get an address soon so we can we can start giving you an address. So if you want to send t-shirts to us and stuff like that. I'll have an address. I think you want to celebrate we definitely we have some good news coming up. I don't know how much Bill we were allowed to share about it. But we got good things coming up with the show because of you our supporters. We were moving on up and something might happen soon. So, you know, once we get like an address, I'd love to have like an Australian Cop come on just like to hear his accent. You know, we're good. We got have salts whatever feeling shrimp off the Bobby whatever we wanted to do. With that with this show is going to become possible very sensibly and we can't divulge too much more. Hopefully by the time this one comes out will actually be will be able to say more. But without further Ado I want to bring out my guest. I worked with him in the police department not really on crime scenes, but he used he was one of our guest speakers when I used to do the homicide cause I used to work in the training unit and they have detective homicide course, that is a two-week course. Course and we have investigators that come from all over the country and they hang out for two weeks and they listen to the best of the best on breaking down homicide crime scenes and one of the best of the best of the speaker that we used to get and look forward to having was a John Belushi Sergeant John pollution. Appreciate that. Yeah. He's just like he's also got his own company forensics for all that. He goes and re investigates cases in other parts of the Korea for real. Real for real won't the phone. Okay, so we jump to a ready we're doing now, I guess that's the show then shall we want to start from the beginning we start with the beginning. How old are you know, what day were you born now? I remember you from the homicide course, you're very interesting guy you're quiet. But you man you were to martial arts to I did boxing, you know is boxing. Yeah. What else is your other thing that I think you do, but what all kinds of stuff every time I see your face like you so sing. Yes, ya got me cycling and the road cycling and I did a did a trip down to Washington DC and we talking about a nice bike or motorcycle about that too. But right around the bicycle to Washington DC was a lot harder than riding a motorcycle. What would you do that for? I never get that. I never understood. I was getting to like something with catch my interest to her and I get really into it, you know see but why you run the bike going don't you think to yourself? Maybe we should have taken a car kid. Imagine. I'll tell you how I was in good shape. I would I know you will you've always been in good shape but was like together as a cop now is never my cock. Yeah, we had those in housing. No, I meant when it first came out that was to hit him in the to for in the 90s. That was when I first came the only thing hiding that harder than hiding that bike was hiding a horse if you want mounted man hiding that freaking horse. Yeah kind of like when she took that bike out what we're going to do it you had to change it to a pole somewhere and hope there was there when you come back I learned that quick, you know, if there's four of you and all four of you jump off and Chase somebody there's going to be maybe to one or two bites left back if that's what I want. I would have to stay in Safeguard the vice Consul and also look out for the fishing wire that they'd string up around the Project's just looking for the man. That was some scam that by kuna men do they still have that? Yeah. I think they do anyway, so where you from so I was born I was born Manhattan actually in a hospital that doesn't exist anymore which one flower Fifth Avenue. I think that was the one I was once ever that's pretty wild you guys don't exist. I swear to God, I think that's where I was born to. Were you born 64. Okay. Yeah, actually my birthday is Sunday. So I see you got me by three years. I was born 67. Yeah, so you might have been the last guy ever born there. Was it close that soon? I don't think so. I think it lasted a little while. I think unless it's a nice name for Hospital, right? Yeah flower V. They don't have those anymore. You not follow boys hard to be a tough guy and say were born a flower for this is what is you live growing up? I grew up in Mount Vernon, New York. Really? Yeah or west. Chester God bless you made it out of there. Yeah, made it out of there. Yep, and then my family moved up to Larchmont. They made the big bucks that wow, you got a good will be moved up to log one got a good house at a bank was getting rid of for a cheap price and I remember ten years old. No one had a scrape wallpaper and do stuff like that. Yeah. My dad was genius. You know, what's funny is? Ooh, he was a consultant. I'm kind of following in his footsteps now, but he was a consultant so he knew how to manage money. Yeah. He was a Harvard it's amazing to be around people like that. I would love to have your dad became a cop him being a Harvard alumnus. I was kind of straying from the yeah the PHD route and that's so easy. So many of my family have phds. I don't want to do that. I want to be the rebel that's it. You know one time I was down at the DA's office and hope nobody has a PHD in my family but says to me Sergeant we I want to humanize you in front of of the jury. Where is this? This is the DA's office. I was going to go on the stand and she goes I'd like to humanize you in front of the jury. She goes. Could you tell me what your educational background is? And I said, yeah. I have an A A A B A and M S and a pmf and she says I know what an AA is a ba and an MS. She goes. What's a pmf I go. I'm a bad motherfucker. I was so sorry. She like all shades of red. Is good. That's it. Goes. They've got choked a while. You know how many meetings you have to go to before you can say I have an AA event a I was by Nestle Community a somehow. I accumulated probably around 30 credits in the Queensboro. Did you have enough to go on the police academy? Didn't you need we didn't eat it. Then we need to you know, you needed was a GG need to be a now to go on the police department and I think Associates maybe Russell to you. Ears or waste what a waste of time military I could I would prefer but so so you grew up in launch minor we could go to high school with the Mamaroneck High School to play her Sports and stuff. Manic. That's a good high school. It was very good high school. He didn't play sports. Where were you intimate? September Sports guy, you know, I was absent the music. You know, how you play music? I was that yeah, I play harmonica. Yeah. Yeah. See that's another thing. So, you know, I remember there's a bunch of stuff. Yeah, and just a harmonica player. They must have a Session for did you see them Satan and Adam documentary on I know who they are Alex but I know I know who they are. Yeah, they have a documentary right now and Netflix. It's awesome to check out to check it out. Yeah. Yeah. Satan was a guy who was used to be a big bands. So what was blues music and he's the play in Harlem and there was this guy Adam who just broke up with his girlfriend and just going on a trip, you know uptown just to get her out of his Head and he runs into this guy Satan and Adam plays the harmonica harmonica. Yeah good. Yeah, ask him if he can play it with him. And then the two of them stop playing together and he just the motivation the two of them working together. They pull themselves off that corner, even though they used to go revisit it all the time and then they went on tour. They had albums. Yeah, that's an amazing story. Then I got sick and fell off and then he came back again. You got to see the documentary signs to see that. Yeah. I had a good run with the music. So what do you do with the harmonica? Where do you play? I haven't been playing that much like recently since I retired I haven't you would think you retire you going to do a lot more amusing. But yeah, it was within a couple bands. I was in a blues band. It was mostly cops in that band where called the shade tree. Mechanic saw John John Lawson. Yeah. Well this knowledge and bass player great. But yeah, yeah. Yeah fantastic in the to four years ago. He's a really good news about Lieutenant Steven Harris ever play with him. He's gonna be sounds familiar. I heard he's a really good guitarist to yeah. I have to go out and see him play. Yeah, you know, he's been to a couple of my comedy shows already. Anyway, so so where were you playing this Monica? You don't play that much anymore. Not so much. I'm tired. You got to know. I know I've been I moved up to Dutchess County. You know, I live on a horse farm. I just kind of weather I bet he can't play the harmonica out there. If anything you can go outside and just go off and do that. Yeah might start a stampede or something. I was like, there's some bridges The Bridges in Westchester and harmonica is cool man a lot of a school I started when A little too much should probably get annoying, you know, like every day if I had to hear it, I'd be like yo enough with the fucking harmonica. That's good versatile than you think Don Ho know you could want you can get Monica when you watch that play Class A name is Adam. Yeah fantastic and he watch what that guy can do with the harmonica and what a difference it made the guy was the Satan guy was great on his own. Yeah, like a one-man band and then this guy comes the same guy play everything at all everything. He was just watch the thing. He was a great singer. He was a great guitarist and he used to do some stuff with his feet. Ooh, like a drum thing. Well, it just amazing amazing. And anyway, so besides for the harmonica, how long ago did you retire? It's been about eight years now almost I got seven. Yeah, you get out in 2010. No 2011. That's when I go down. Yeah, seven got our nose. That was like I took some terminal. So why did you get out though? You had so much going on the job. You knew so much. Yes before like, let's just build tell us where John worked you be quiet right now. Just getting I'm seeing unit. But you're something people don't realize they see on TV crime scene and they weren't all these designer clothes. It's a nasty nasty job. It really is right. Yeah you remember our King was Lieutenant. I'm right and he was like guy though. Yeah, he was a stickler for a tie or whatever. Right? And he always said he goes the crime scene guys. They're the only ones in the bureau that you know, listen, you got your the blood yet leaning over you get your tie in that he gave us a story. That's a large list I fix. Suits right? Yeah that that sort of became more mandatory later in the debacle. It's got all the diseases. You got age. You can hear Titus A through Z, you know, it's not only that but what you leave behind to from yourself right right solo courts theory of exchange. How did you eventually get into the crime scene unit? It's an interesting story and I was going out I was hoping you would say that my girlfriend was worked in the chief of DS office, right? I was doing my was that the bodybuilding girl. Yeah. It was yeah. I remember her. Yeah, no, see that's another thing why I thought you were so cool. Because he's so he's so quiet. What yes it bodybuilding girl you all listen, you go up to the detective Bureau with the 14th floor and then it's a regular office. And in that regular office. You got this really beautiful girl. That's a bodybuilder like it. She's got a tight shirt, you know, like you could tell she's using phenomenal shape was she doing one of your pull-up says you got there was no it's listen. It's one of those things where she competes obviously as she used to write ya know. It's just for herself, but it's not one of those things. You can hide. She's big enough where you see It but she's not over big. It's just perfect and when you see a girl like that, you know what I'm saying? The first thing if you're a guy you like wow, you know, and then somehow I found out that that was your girlfriend and then I said to myself see quiet guys been so much going on this guy who'd have thunk it are you noticing me? I'm a loudmouth, you know I'm saying but you under the under the radar of it quite I loved it then I love it. So how did she get you into the crime scene? You saw what I was doing. Integrity time I did two years four months and 20 days and I need a promoted know if there had been a sergeant for a while. I tried to get back into the occp. I wanted to go to and then I got picked up. So I'm at the chief of these Christmas party. Right? She keeps having a few beers out Kings having a few beers. I'm talking with him and since Brands like yes Chief Brown, you know, so I said, This is Louis, you know about done with my IB time. I'm you know, looking to go somewhere he goes where you want to go. I said I said crime scene. He goes to they need to Sergeant. I said, yeah, they do he goes, let's go talk to the chief. Right? And you know how the Christmas party is, you know, bring them a couple beers and talk to him. He's like Chief. Did you swallow this into Carriage? He goes Chief. This is John. This is known as boyfriend and he's like, oh hey. John nice to meet you those John wants to go to Crime Scene. Chief says they need a sergeant he goes. Yeah. All right want to go to Crime Scene? Yeah. Okay, and so my answer the short answer is how'd you get the crime scene? I had to sleep with somebody, you know, it's a great story. Then that's the way it works. Yeah. I need a sergeant still for supervisor probably works that way but but for detectives it's a lot different like when I got there it was The Apprentice system. So, you know you learn from Joe who learned from Steve learn from Bob sir, but he kind of I had a different technique of doing things but they had they also had the unit on patrol evidence collection everything. Actually I came in. Yeah game that became like a stepping stone. Yeah how much stuff did you know before you got into crime scene because you're going there as a sergeant and you mentioned the other way is like an apprenticeship apprenticeship so that way you're learning but if you go there as a sergeant and you don't really know anything about crime scene and you just got a hook then you're basically you're at the back, you know, you're it's up to the To fill you in otherwise you could be like if they don't like you could just be like yeah. Yeah exactly. But I was I was really like a Hands-On kind of guy and I sat everybody down I said listen, I'm not the kind of guy that's spying on your checking on. Yes, and you understand I have my job to do but I'm showing up at all your jobs because I really I really I love this stuff and I want to learn it, you know, so, you know for let me just interrupt you for one second. Yeah, a lot of police departments to knows a lot of people listening across the country. They don't have a crime scene unit. The NYPD has a unit called crime. Seen that does all of the forensic evidence collection for homicide shooting serious assaults rapes things like that. And it's Unique because they're trained just to do that work to do the evidence collection some Police Department's the detective that response does everything, right? Yeah collects the evidence. He does the interviews and I mean just think that's overwhelming. If you had to collect the evidence interview people canvas stood. It's just too much work. Sometimes they have outside agencies or the Neighboring town which is bigger. The bigger city have their crime scene come in. What is they don't have that many homeless Corner? That's all you some little towns up a lot of times the sheriff's office in these towns they have because it's a bigger agency. They have designated crime scene unit or the state agencies like Matisse involved I think is necessary to it's probably better to have guys that are just designated to collect the evidence. Yeah, especially, you know, you think about New York City during the crime scene guys were like firemen like the Bell Rings you go out you do you A job you come back because I mean here you're the guys in the squad doing all the ground pounding knocking on doors putting it all together while you're waiting for lab results from all the stuff that we collected and all that but we go, you know from job to job to job and that's that's pretty much the way it had to be. You know, there were a lot of most of the cases you never got any follow up on it, you know, sometimes you were interested in it, you might call the guy who caught the case you say this whatever happened with that. That's what's Bill was mentioning about the well he wants to talk about that is the TV shows, you know, and Close to your to reality. I like the TV shows. I'm a buff that way but when you said a lot of time working in crime scene, you don't really most of the time you don't know the outcome of the case and when you watch those TV shows it always seems like the crime scene guys are still involved with that case all the way to the end like they're given a yeah, we got him at the end. You don't even know what's going on hollers their interview with pipes again in the shootouts in Hunt something always explodes right besides that I went. To nothing as detectives investigated. You can't you can maybe count on one or two hands how many times forensic evidence is the Smoking Gun? You know most of the time it's a confession. You know what I mean? Yes the work of the detective getting a confession of something like all or witness when you get that fingerprinted to like, holy shit. We got him. We got his fingerprint. There was a case of this girl Catherine woods and the Upper East Side remember that guy? I'm the one who cut the wall out those today. Yeah, that's that me and detective Hester. What happened? What happened was there was two suspects the boyfriend she lived with which I'll the detectives felt. She says she's what was that was he was obviously murders but was Odin has knife that could cut a head off. But yeah color throat. Yeah, the second guy who was a boyfriend. She was breaking up with the detectives felt. He's the guy for some reason they let him go not on the detectives were one of the big boys have said no, but But take a statement. Let him go. He turned out to be the guy right but now he lawyers up. So now they can't talk to him anymore and they kept the crying scene open four days, which was smart and they didn't have the forensic evidence that they sent the Emmys office forensic investigation team. And I guess the luminol is what made it show up. What's up? Yeah, so better than me. Yeah Bears. So essentially there was he said that he was never an apartment right the yoga instructor Guru. Songwriter guy right since yogurt yeah, you're right now. Yeah right now is does yoga soundboard all go away. We line it watch out, right? So yes, so he said he was never in the apartment though. I think right somebody lock them into that statement, which was Parts it so like you said, I mean, that's the real police work, you know, the forensic stuff is an important tool but that which I kind of stuff how important is that trial he took the stand and he said yes, I had consensual sex with her. Her and she was having a period right and I wiped it on the wall. Right and the thing was and I didn't know this until I learned this is that menstrual blood is different than regular bloody. I didn't do any analysis ahead of time for that though. I was sort of like his little surprised you didn't meet up and yes oceans Desk Reference that the right if I could think was not a day when he cut her throat, you know, what happened to when we were in there the bed was up against the wall, right and and dungeons National Force, huh? It was like he picked it up. Like I put it like a fold. I don't know if EMS did it. We don't know who did it really nobody admitted to doing it, you know, and I don't think he did because once it came down there were bloody Footprints all over the bedding right so might have been EMS or somebody, you know how it is people are really admit, you know windows are open what happened at what was that light on? It was a TV off, you know, like so so we get there but one of the things that really kills that story for him is her throat was cut and when you preach an artery it As a distinctive pattern we call like an arterial gush, right because arteries are the blood spatter. Yeah. Those are the vessels that are under pressure. Right? So it's pushing out and creating this arterial blood stain pattern on the wall and his handprint altered one of those blood drops from the arterial pattern, right? So there it's very big. It's think about like think about a garden hose. Right? Like if you have it under pressure, you can make a fine Mist out of it. If you have it open wide, it still will be do you know what is going to Beat it wants to be round. That's what that's the nature of the liquid and stuff. So they'll blood similar is different viscosity. So you have these arterial patterns on the wall, and then an alteration in it, you haven't you had me at fingerprint under the bed, but you want to hear something but that wasn't the Smoking Gun when the the d8 they took a vote initially when they took a vote I heard it was like 12 something six people didn't think he was guilty welcome and then it came They kept working and they just you know, it was convinced. It was then 12 nothing but I heard it wasn't like unanimous. So just think if they didn't think that his bloody fingerprint behind the bed was The Smoking Gun that showed he did it. Right? What do you have to have to need video of the guy doing it? That's the thing. Yeah. That's what it's coming down to that's what it's coming down to every I wonder if video evidence will become part of crime scene unit now because it's so essential you look at the junior case the kid in the Bronx. We got killed by the Rival. Gang and that videotape is there's no way to beat it. They had cameras everywhere and most of the cases that you watch nowadays. So you see on the news that were accompanied by some sort of video and I'm wondering if the collection of that at some point since it's such valuable evidence will maybe you'll get a videotape guy in the crime scene and that'll be his job to go out there and collect it. All even if it's the the foot guys doing the detectives doing the knocking on the get collecting it but making sure it all comes under neath the follows. Into one guy rude does that error doesn't but they hold on to it though because just they usually get they usually give it to the detective. Don't they? Yeah, they usually do they turn it off of what it's requested guys to didn't major case have a unit like for the for the Gypsy Cab robberies and things like that. They would download the yeah be careful with that stuff because one slip and you lost everything people ask about like like what's a good career my kids in college. He wants to be in forensics. I always say you got to get it to video stabilization because it If you people are do it in the country that do it at or like certified and know how to do it. Well, I work with this guy and what is that? And so if you have a camera like so we'll talk out. We'll get it this case a little later but the Walter Scott shooting down in Charleston and got films it with a cell phone, right and he's moving to cell phone around he's walking. So the frames are all out of it out of whack and there's ways to sort of like break that down frame by frame, you know, sometimes overlay a frame to make it a little more. More powerful and and you know, this is not my thing at all. You know, I've just heard him testify and talk about something like you messing with the evidence then if you getting a video to yeah, you're but see there's ways that's that's where pays to be certified. Right? So if we had some software we kind of say, you know, what we could do this stuff, right and we started messing around with it. Then we get on a witness stand. It's like well, where did you learn how to do that when I learned it on, you know adobe.com, right? So but but the guy who does it he's that's just think so. It's really It's an enhancement. It's just like when you get a fingerprint like a photograph of a fingerprint and somebody puts it into Photoshop and doesn't enhancement on it to bring out the characteristics the ridge detail and all that kind of stuff. So you say what do you put in Photoshop? I gave a lecture to a bunch of lawyers for continuing legal education. And I said something about using Photoshop enhancement for something like C use Photoshop because people think you know, you can put your face on my head and do it, right. So what can you photoshop sir hocus-pocus? Focus thing but if it's used correctly, it's a forensic tool and it works really well, you know, so but so what I'm talk about with the video stabilization think about it every cop is going to have a body can write and you ever see body cam footage. It's been It's usually the exactly what you're selling and exams in the way that what you said. Yes that choppy footage exactly. So before they get to the point where they have if they ever do, you know body cams did give you a very clear image very clear. Lucien video you're going to have to do a lot of enhancement to make that all come out plus and then there's a second portion of that which is the audio enhancement, you know, it was a deal also with the Walter Scott case. Well, you know, those recently just a cop was on top of this car booster in the Bronx so that negated his body Cam and the guy pulled a gun on him and he shot him twice, but you couldn't see anything because he was laying on top of the guy. Yeah any other copper? I don't know what he was doing was standing there when he should have been on top of the guy. I don't want a Monday Morning Quarterback, but the other compacts wind up shooting him twice, but you could not see anything. Yeah, let's go now the audio sometimes I can't help. You know, exactly. Did you warn them? Did you say drop the gun? I forget exactly his word something. I have a gun. I want to go I want to kill you or something. Like I did. He said something like that. You mentioned something about working in crime scene that it was a similar to the fire department in a way waiting to get cold. So I wanted to for you to take us almost step-by-step through your nose. Somewhere and there's a homicide you only go on homicides. Well, the protocol is a lot bigger than that, but for the most part, it's harmless except if it's of rate below 96th Street it right in you go. Yeah rapes homicides, you know, that's the case that came into my head wondering if crime scene would probably get called they will call they would prop rapes but you'll go if you have to articulate doing that phone call, you have to articulate to the crime scene boss. I would imagine yeah what you have there and then it's your call whether you should go or not. Yeah, and a lot of times I turned into a big, you know, tug-of-war butting heads and stuff because sometimes you'll be the sergeant there and I would imagine you're communicating with somebody of a higher rank. Yeah, and he's telling you we need you over here and you're like, well, we're in the middle of watching Bachelor right now knows would want you to go to burglaries where property of course just to get that all time. It's not coming to that and you have to have the latitude. She'll Chief Jones has kid his car got broken into and sixties get the cart Blanche from your boss. Yeah, if you're following the protocol, what does he want a phone call? If somebody's busting your chops something a lot of times it comes to that, you know, and I might have to go to the head of the division or whatever depending on what it is. You know, what time there was a getting ready to do a search warrant. And so it was for a homicide suspect. So Lieutenant calls me up and he goes yeah, we're doing the search for it. So you get meet us at the precinct. We're owing to do the tack meeting, you know, so we don't we don't go to tack meetings, you know, like well, why would we you know, so tactical it's like, you know tactical meeting prior to the search warrant. So you get to know who everybody is and he's like no but we got to know who you guys are. I'm like, we're the ones with the blue windbreakers. That's a police crime. That's gonna be us, you know, he's like you got he's getting pissed he goes. No, you got to beat the tech meeting I said, listen, that's where the peaceful police we don't do it. You know, my days are kicking doors in her over. That's how I got dressed, right? Yeah, exactly. You know you go in there you secure the bushes, but if you have the wrong boss, you might you guys might be going to all that. Yeah, and another thing the one day we had a double murder in the to wait and John Erwin, who's the chief da is on the scene and I said in you guys to do the scene ago. You need a search one. I said no, I don't the detective is telling me I need a search I said the da is on the scene telling us we don't need a search warrant. Yeah, we understand it was like, you know, dude I didn't want to argue with you. Yeah get here, you know. Are you talking about the detective from crime scene? Yeah, he's telling me we need a search one DA's on the scene with that unless you know, you don't you don't need one. You know, who's the better the chief? D'Italia know the DA's took a lot of they took a lot of Chances with some with some of that stuff. Sometimes know we used to argue with them every once in a while. Well, sometimes we would just go above and beyond just to make sure hundred percent that they evidence like what they pull away from you if you have Plain View yet. You don't that's an exception to a search warrant show had that on this case. It was all in plain view we see. It's getting such one. Anyway, yeah, I know. Yeah, we did. So yeah, definitely it's good to you know, for the Intensive Covey arrest one. Yeah, but will you getting pulled in the direction by the da Squad the same way that you were getting pulled by let's say chiefs like da wants you to be at a meeting or just go to a crime scene that you normally wouldn't go go to because the DA's involved in that case not the DA's nah, but a lot of times within our own Department, you know, if the CEO sends us on something Hey, listen, I got a call from the chief and you know, No, we don't normally do this but we're going to do that. What's the time frame between you guys getting a call and you guys okay, we're going to go to that one. How long does it can we expect you? It depends on what we're doing and could be at another case. There's a police involved shooting. It's you know, like when Russell tymoshenko got killed like for instance the whole unit was there we called the whole unit there for that. What are the hours would what towards you guys? It's sort of like a backwards Squad. Right. So the first tour is a seven-to-three. It's a four-day week First tours a seven-to-three next towards the seven-to-three you come in at 1400 on the third one and work straight through till zero eight hundred the next day. So that's actually an 18 hour tour. Wow, and of course, you know when shit always happens right three o'clock in the morning when you've already been there 13 hours, right? Yeah. So what happens then if you got it, you'd been at the point where like, it doesn't matter how much espresso they put in your coffee your Just you are dragging ass and your body goes into a different Zone. Somebody's somebody seems to like, you know, 20 hours. Just I just want to say you mentioned the Russell tymoshenko case and I happen to know that was an amazing case for the crime scene unit. And I'm just what I'm referring to is for viewers that don't know Russell. Tymoshenko was a young copy when we sort of cost up the windows were heavily tinted there's three or four guys in the car and he was basically executed they were able to identify the shooter but DNA on the trigger guard, isn't that correct? Now, I'm from some chicken that was in there. Yeah. Well, yeah another person also in the fight by that but it was that the truth that they actually identified the shooter by his DNA on the trigger. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. That was that's unbelievable work. Yeah invite the other purpose in the car. Why did by this saliva on the chicken? Yeah can't make that shit out huge those big deal and innately fled to like Pennsylvania. We're trying to go hide in the in the mountains up there, you know brought like tuna fish and a bunch of stuff that they would have been barefoot. Food in about you know two days. But yeah, we had helicopters. That's not a good idea is good good police work. That was great know everybody, you know dedicated I'd go to another big city and hide in plain sight if I go up there out of my Element. No way definitely dead up there that Steiner no real. Yeah, of course wish into our engineer. Yeah Andrew Steiner he had this case where the psychiatrist was murdered on the Upper East Side stabbed to death by a former patient of her the code doctor in her office. I remember and that's final. Did a palm print of the suitcase? Yeah, which will you know, that's what I'm talking about the cases that you have nothing on and also you gotta we gotta we gotta hit on. Yeah, but like all my God, that was great because what you'll I think that was a blood print to right. Yeah. No, it wasn't. How was it though? It was just a kiss scene with it was a disaster. All right, was that was that Manhattan? Did you know he's been had I worked at your work that case? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy and they you know, this is the big boss has got involved in that they were sending Tech detectors to Pennsylvania on someone who they thought was a suspect that none of the detectives did yeah, the guy was like a full-blown EDP the subject mostly just the person for our viewers. Yeah for are not emotionally disturbed viewers. So when you get to the scene now, you took you depending on what you would have you guys were up to you get to the scene what happens? What do you the case detective introduces himself to you? Tell you what he's got who does to you every single scene is different. Sometimes you get there and all there is is You know some crime scene tape up and the guy with the highest tax number standing there. And you say what do you got? I don't know. What are these guys? They're over there somewhere. We just don't have the people to be their old. So many guys don't give you the ideal guy show up how many crimes seeing across the my aim is to two detectives, you know, so whether or not a boss goes depends that they started to change the protocols to if there was a body on the scene a boss had to be I think that was a protocol when I was there, but, you know a lot of the bosses were Very well-read, you know sitting in the office and well-read guys and TV lieutenants, if you're watching Forensic Files accounts as in-service training because something like that, right, but yeah, I like that I like being on the scenes, you know, I like going out to the scenes. So so a team was to detectives. Yeah, and when you work that 18 our tour you had three teams for the whole city for the whole night, which is crazy right? So let me know supplement. Seems real yeah and one-sided for the whole sex right now. Was it? Yeah. The sergeant is doing that 18-hour to or two. Yeah, I think now they work steady tours. But the whole thing was you stayed with your squad when I was here. He stayed with his Squad. So you had the same guys all time you making crazy over time there or what? Yeah, you know, it keeps us feast or famine. Yeah, you know that we always had I think we had like a like a black umbrella that was like for the black cloud because it was always one sergeant. That was always getting stuck with all the police involved shootings. Right and those things were a nightmare because you know, that's when He was a PC and you had to have a sketch drawing up to him for this whatever time it happened five six o'clock in the morning ten o'clock. You want some briefing. He wants everybody there. He wants to know everything right? So now we're know what used to write the pulmonary investigation. Yeah piw. Yeah and sometimes like on a police shooting. It could be 20 something pages long sure, I would start at say whatever time they say, it's seven eight o'clock at night. I'd still be like hustling to get it done by 6 a.m. Yeah. Yeah, and you know everyone would be sticking it dbe's on you, you know, yeah, cause you're so stressed. Yeah, and you know, you can't write this to you have that number. You can't do that to you get this number. You can't do that to you talk to this guy, you know, so right it was it's like doing a research report at work. Yeah. Yeah believe me. It was a nightmare, you know just have all the stuff ready in it. It regards to when you get to the crime scene though. This is going to be a catching detective he's going to be the one who's in charge of is he going to show you what happened in this is what I want you to can you see if there's a fingerprint here? We see we thought it came in over here or do you guys help them out or you guys take control the best of all possible worlds right in the the Pulaski scenario, right? Which actually I like them then and he liked me, you know. But he had you know, as you had the warmed alcohol and prepare a little Chardonnay on the side right here so I but but I mean it the best possible scenario is you show up at the scene. Like I said, you have the catching detective there somebody who's very well-informed, you know, and and gives you an idea what happened and especially because by the time we get all our stuff together get out the door me we're pretty much ready to go, but it takes a while we need a notification. Should from a detective Bureau member right? It's actually did it was just a bull take the viewer supervisor. Yeah. So by the time we get our our act rolling out the door wherever we are because you guys are usually at least in the borough. Sometimes we'd have to get through traffic and all that stuff. So the best possible scenario is you get there and you get informed what the guys have you might be getting to look at some video. Even you just you know, you never know how far along it kept effective on a homicide should be Be there when crime scene gets there. Yeah, tell you what, he thinks happened. Well what to look for evidence was right and if they're not there they got like should get their asses they have because they're going to have to testify to that in court someday. No, I mean if they're not there to meet you guys tell you this is what I want you to do. This is what I think happened, right? I mean, yeah when you guys supposed to be soothsayers to, you know, just read the crime scene by feeling around. Well, sometimes it's just as you can do that. Yeah, and you know what honestly like forensically speaking. The least amount of context that you get the better, you know, so if you come up to me say listen, John Petrucci, then we're going to nail that motherfucker. I know he's dated three more of these and you know, and then we're all we're looking at is stuff to incriminate John pallucci. So, you know, we get the pizza leave the cabasa loan over there, right, you know, so if you know, you know I'm saying but so you have some preconceived notions in your head it actually it's like work in a scene with blinders on you know, so a lot of times, you know what it knows not even the least amount. Mount the better, you know, you want to you want an idea how big it is where did was have been inspecting? He was there at the Upper East Side that case that time. I can't think of his name. You know who I'm talking which one what year was this path? This 2005-6. I don't know five six. We have Billy Aubrey. No, it wasn't him McCarthy that doesn't know but he was in that crime scene and he described exactly where The attack took place by reading the evidence. I was pretty damn impressed with that. No kid, especially on this blood spatter. This is what for started and took the cast off Stan. Like wow. This guy knows it's nice. Yeah. Could you do that sometime in what you do is you look for you got to be very careful not to say exactly what happened. You know, I mean, this is what I think say like so like you said Casta this is cast off you say, okay. I'm seeing blood stains that are consistent with blood being cast off. Of an object in motion. So there was a bloody object in motion here, right? So can I say this is where he whacked the guy over the head. Maybe not maybe he's running away from the scene and you know goes to throw it and that's where the castle you got it. So you got to be real careful to not again absolute stroke yourself in. Yeah, exactly. And so you can say like once you have everything together you can say, you know, this this mechanism is what caused that blood stain pattern to resolve right this cast off mechanism now, Of all the things that happened I think it's most consistent with the person being beaten here. Right? So if you have cast off here, and then you also have impact spatter, right? So we're weather where it hits the bloody head and then you get spatter on the wall. So you have those two things together. Okay. Now we're putting together two pieces two different blood stain patterns. We see John says it right but people think he said incorrectly spatter and that's what it's called a necropsy spatter not splatter. That's right. All you TV people that think your crime-scene experts and say splatter you're wrong. So say spatter and you can I say I have a joke where I talk about blood spatter and I make sure I always say spat and it make sure I say it for all the people out there who still quell who are in the know right? You know who recognize the word for whatever reason if you're a mess when you know, the medicine medical world or forensics or cop if you just know that word spatter. It's like the saying it correctly. It's a secret handshake of the blood stain pattern analysis. Because now that the viewers know that right, they're going to watch some Chief get on TV talking about a crime should be like, yeah, it was splattered over here or over there to going to be the guy. That's the BPA. Yeah. Well, you know what it does is it kills that that the question is this guy full of shit or not, right, you know, they hear a word like that like, okay. This guy might be freely may know what he's talking about. He's got some mileage. I like mentioning that word and the joke. Yeah, definitely. So you get to this crime scene. Now you see you mentioned the crime scene where they got the one guy. Who's standing in front of there? And you ask them what happened is I don't know something. I don't so those are the small ones. Nobody's really paying attention to those but then I would imagine there's obviously crime scene that are like what's like the biggest one I ever went to well how fox really running gun battles. Yeah, sometimes sometimes you have to break those into sections, you know those up in Washington Heights. Yeah shooting in Department homicide buns that runs out onto the street the whole neighborhood's Jason again, he turned shoots a guy keeps running goes toward Goes West called Jack Secord shoots him. Wow, what a nightmare were crimes. And now when we get involved and it's palpable, so when you guys show up you have to start from what you think is point a where it's where initiated and then you got to go through all the steps, right? Yep. Kerosene is different. You know, I mean some scenes that there's a clear like access and egress like they probably came in this way and left that way and those are those are points where you can find good evidence as well. So sometimes you want to start like the way like just just like you said the way it looks like things logically progressed, you know, sometimes there's barriers within the scene outdoor scenes can have stuff like a hill, you know, like maybe the body is all the way at the bottom of the hill, you know, like he's like, he's the last guy you're going to want to last part of the scene you're going to want to do with you know, and so it's every single scene. You just got to go with the mindset like every single scene is different you want to get information where you can as far as the size. The crime scene is that that's one thing that we always kind of do wrong is establishing the boundaries. That's where it really starts establishing the boundaries of the crime scene and we typically make it too small. Sure, right and how many times they had. We had one in Brooklyn one time where this guy went on a stabbing spree and and so they set up like a whole block blocked off this whole block and of course the news Vans coming they put their stanchions out and their antennas that go way up in the air and all that stuff and then we find out that he actually had going into another ER store and open some cabinets and left bloody prints in there. So now we got you know, listen, we got it. You guys got crimes got to move all this shit, but it's already been contaminated too though, because the people are so we always say make estimate the size of the scene and then double it. Wow, you can always make it smaller. It's real easy to make it small you just are you know, we don't need that area, but when you got to make it bigger, I remember you talking about that in the homicide course. Yeah specially when it's a major thoroughfare that you have to close. Yeah. All right. Yeah, did you go in with a strong stomach? Because I'm sure you saw stuff that even would freak the average cop out. I think that was one of the best parts of the unity I teach for Henry Lee sometimes up in New Haven and I what is that Henry leaves a forensic scientist. He was like the guy on the old JK's and yeah, he's been around for so long time. You said you teach for him? Yeah. I was teaching a shooting as a class. He has school. He has an Institute university New Haven. Yeah. Okay, so he has he's in a part of and the new University of New Haven. Yeah, he's got it's like a space-age buildings really really awesome. So yeah private investigators that go to that course, he's going to that course cops. Okay, so I actually for the first time like I go all over the country doing cases and doing conferences and doing lectures. I never see NYPD guys anywhere, you know, it's kind of it's sad to say but you know, I mean it's a very intense job to go for training, you know, yeah, it's expensive to go for training on stuff. Yeah, so even you know active being active or retired But this time I had for Crime Scene guys, right? So they're like and they weren't crime scene guys when I was in crime scene, but they were ECT guys when I was training a lot of people and they're like, we remember you saw a generic only sorry felt kind of good, you know, and I was like, I'm John there like now we're gonna call you son. Good people. You know, my wife still cool so such. Yeah, that's a whole nother story make absolutely and she comes off when she steps in the door. I guess she doesn't watch this video. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so so we went out to dinner, right? Yeah, and we're talking about Bloody this and that, you know, like and all leading and I see not it's what I miss is is like you said the strong stomach we could sit there at the dinner table. Like when we had the luxury of all being able to eat together or to some food and just tell some of the nastiest stories and nobody would ever. Oh my God. What are you doing? Somebody's eating it's having to be there for hours and hours in that scene. Yeah when it's Five degrees Yeah, that's the horror. I'll tell you what though. What what I realized was when you're there. You have a mission, you know, I mean, so if you got to go through a bunch of coagulated blood to look for a you know, bullet jacket or something small like that you're going to do it. So many times like is being the supervisor. I'd be out on the scene working it with the guys. I was always, you know where to get my hands dirty with them and stuff and I come back to the office and you know a week or so later when they wrote up the case. I'd be sitting in there with my coffee there could be auditioning feet up and I'm looking at the pictures. I'm like, this is fucking magic that was there, you know, but it sounds like that's what it bothers me because I moved because I don't have that that purpose, you know, when you're on the scene you have that that sort of met you got a mission, you know you own in crime scene during 911 now no, I was I was at the cic course. Well, I ended up. Yeah, I was I was there. Well, then you're getting trained. Yeah that too but not one 9/11 happened, but I was in the cic cuz I wasn't like If you have a to taught it to write ya later on in my career. I thought if see I see I see yes I started that's why I started the day. It was a Tuesday. I remember because my old partner was in there from narcotics, right and you this guy was a he was a character. He's you know, a little little PTSD kind of situational many women of fans of this crime scene stuff the CSI stuff that if you didn't have a girlfriend he went to a bar. All you have to do is I'd be a wingman. I would just ask you an open-ended question like Tell us about the scariest crime scene tell me about it. And then you could just talk really loud before you know, we have a nice little party that you can pick out whoever you want and I've had students come up to me and say I want to be CSI. Everybody does I said, well, you have to become a cop first. I don't want to do that. Oh, no, I won't do that. I just want to go right into CS I said, well, you know, there's no CSI Institute like on the back of the matchbook that you take do. I asked you that about the private investigators because are there people who? Really are into crime scene stuff and evidence collection and then they do it privately and they can bring it to their Pi business. Is that something that's done? Yeah. It is some people hired and by these small towns or let's say you wanted to hire your own crime scene guy to go to a scene because you're the defendant right? That's that's what I do now actual really I'm doing I'm still handsome. Yeah making that. Yeah hang buddy. Yeah significations. How much is it? Our charge to twenty five an hour while I like this. Let it boil fees. That's good. Yeah, God like someone in the police business is charging. Loyally fees these fucking lawyers. Yeah. Tell anyone. That's why that's who hires me all the time. You know good choice. Yeah three. Yeah. That's a sought-after thing that it's so you don't know specific doing it really very few people now, that's all I thought you were gonna say Allah time now. No, it's I don't know anybody else who doesn't do it. I'd love to The learn how to do something to make some money's get out of this rut some more crime scene jokes because I don't have a strong stomach though. If I was a sergeant in that unit, I'd be showing up and have the mascot to be like, I put it down for a sec. Okay, you guys it looks good guys. I'll be heading back to the office. Let me know if you need to scratch it while you got there eating like canned octopus or something. You don't care, right? Yeah, it's weird because you get used to it, but you're at a higher level. Like I always thought it was interesting and you go into a Active Squad and everybody has the we used to use Polaroid's remember that and everybody had these Polaroids and a lot of times it wasn't for shock effect that it was on your desk. It was just it didn't make it into the case folder, but you can walk by anybody's desk and then just pick up a stack of photos and it will be the scariest most grotesque thing. You ever saw some guys used to make a thing out of it. They, you know, put a thumbtack in it, you know and have a horn a little like, oh, yeah. Yeah that whole wall of that stuff, but I remember sitting at somebody's desk and just They want on a DOA take a look at it through the pictures. Whoo, but you this was a constant thing every single day with you. That's the only thing that you saw the ad has been there's been studies about that having like a PTSD kind of effect, you know, and it's really true. We like a lot of people we think that every cop has PTSD. Yeah. I agree with that much Bill and I were talking and I was telling him that I think they should every officer should be assigned therapist when they get on the job. Almost the same way that you're assigned a district surgeon and you have to go twice a year to this therapist. So there's no Stigma attached to it because everybody has to do it and then if you want to continue going for whatever reason or the therapist feels like, you know, maybe you need some more sessions then you then you can go and it's completely Anonymous, you know, nobody has to know your business everybody's going so it's not a big deal anymore Apartments really serious about suicide prevention. They should spend the money. The and we should because you talked about the PTSD all these things that you see their little little PTSD things. There's shocking things that you shouldn't see the average person and they affect you in a way. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, sometimes they're the only thing that keep you from from coming like when you're with a girl you like God, I didn't bring a gun in case you guys are worried but you know like those times where you got to think about something really bad. So this way you perform better. Once man, that poor guy died in his living room and you know how the gas collects the guys collected in his balls. It was the to beach balls. Those are polarized that were very popular. Right? My people used to want to see the guy with the big bulls. Yeah. That was something I thought about a lot. Yes photograph the crime scene because when you got back to the office and you put it on the screen, you can see things that you didn't see that. Yeah, you know what? I mean? He's all choked. There's a knife in the corner. Did you guys use that the camera the 360 camera tells us after my time. Really? Yeah, so there was a yeah, there's they use a scanner now like a let's call Laser scanner and it's a very powerful tool. All right, so like we could set one up in this room. Right and it'll scan the whole room and you could look at it looks like a photograph, you know, and you could you could go anywhere and zoom in on something and because it's a laser beam right the laser the machine actually knows. Is that I've fired a beam out to that wall and it was three feet six inches because the total length was was seven feet because it went to the wall and came back so half the length of the beam is the measurement and then you can take measurements between points. But you know, and it takes takes a little getting used to because if I set it up here in the middle of the room, we're going to see a bunch of stuff but then think about the the chairs are going to be shadowing some evidence. You're not going to be able to see behind the bar, right if they have it around moving it around. Yeah, and then you have to sort Stitch all these scans together because that is doing the sketch the final sketch. Yeah, you can actually you can download you can create like a sketch off of that if you want. Yeah, and it helps you break down that crime scene a lot quicker, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's got its advantages of clearly does you know and you don't lose stuff? Yeah, because obviously crime scenes change be prior to having that type of Technology. That's usually like when you could come there one day and go through your work and then go back to the crime scene the next day and Toby. Something different. Yeah, right. Yeah, definitely. It happened a lot. Right? Yes. That's why the thing I remember we were teaching a class on that we used to have it wasn't a robot. It was a thing that they used to use. It was set on a tripod and they started using it for car accidents in the homicide investigators course and yeah. Yeah. Well that was a total station, right they call toast and it took the camera just went around and took a 360 that the great picture for you. But now you're saying they do that with a laser which is even more effective. Yeah, actually the camera the priests. To the laser at least in our unit. That was at but the camera also was able to take a picture. We use that for member to Wall Street the woman who disappeared on Wall Street from Washington Heights. Well, you know remember her name now. She was Dominican woman. I think I think was a victim Martinez is sister or the last name was Martinez machine a duck. Yeah. She was yeah. That was the professional bodybuilder Victor Martinez. That was I think it's that pretty positive. That was his sister. Yeah for she worked in the Heights and they lived in the heights, but she was murdered downtown. I think she worked in a hotel or something. Right? She worked it some building down like in the Wall Street area here and she was in a duct somebody. Yeah, something's after up to the roof and put her. Duck. Yeah, yes construction thing that they missed the body the first time it was horrible it Colorado. Yeah made a collar on it guy had all scratches on him and stuff like that. Yeah, but I remember they used that camera on there and I was like, it's pretty cool. I mean you can pan and zoom all over the place and it's pretty amazing what they can just being able to look at it over and over again just the way they do on TV whenever New York the NYPD gets stuff that you see on TV. It's already witnessed stuff on TVs usually used Alice you know what I'm saying? But in time we got stuff that's why they're the best detectives. It's not because they know anything more than the other. It's what they have to work with. So, yeah, it's true other departments. Yeah, they have all this stuff like well, that's what the FBI has all these toys that when they get a case. They have nothing but money. Yeah. Yeah ERT was it love to burn on the Boston Marathon bombing because I would love to I bet you and I don't know for a fact but the Boston cops did most of the work on that. Don't know, huh? Yeah, I know that they had facial recognition technology, which was able to identify one of those on a have brothers from social media. And that's what got the ball rolling. Wow. That's really see the fights between boys gotta talk about that. Yeah, and we got to talk about 23 and me we got to talk about, you know, the DNA where you send your DNA. I want to know your opinion that we want to talk about facial recognition. As far as evidence is coming up and we're going to do all that and more on part 2 of police off the cuff with saw. agent John pooch

John Paolucci completed a diverse and groundbreaking career in the NYPD, spending his final eight (8) years as a supervisor in the Forensic Investigations Division. Four (4) of those years were spent as a Crime Scene Unit supervisor where he was responsible for responding to crime scenes to coordinate and assist in the identification, collection and documentation of all types of forensic evidence. He worked on many high profile cases and generated written synopses or ‘recaps’ that would be presented to executive level managers and often used to disseminate information to the media. From the Crime Scene Unit, he was selected to be the first ever commanding officer of a new unit called the OCME Liaison Unit. In this position, he would vet all DNA evidence submitted for analysis in the City of New York and was designated as the “One Voice” for the NYPD when outside agencies had any questions about forensic evidence either in the NYPD laboratory or at the Office of Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) for DNA analysis. His efforts drastically reduced DNA analysis turn-around times in New York City, and as a result he was awarded the Unit Citation by the Mayor and Police Commissioner in 2010. He was also promoted to Detective Sergeant in 2010. John Paolucci reviewed thousands of cases, often examining photos to determine if the forensic evidence that was collected would benefit from analyses other than those requested by the investigators. He worked with OCME to develop new protocols for documenting DNA evidence, and the entire NYPD’s forensic evidence collection practices were totally revamped based largely on laboratory analysis results that were collated and interpreted by Mr. Paolucci. In this capacity he trained thousands of NYPD and other federal and local agencies on the probative value of forensic evidence, documenting forensic evidence, and collecting DNA exemplars from suspects. In retirement, John formed Forensics 4 Real Inc. to impart his knowledge and understanding of forensic evidence and crime scene investigations to students of forensics as well as law enforcement first responders and investigators by providing a true to life perspective on how evidence is identified and handled in the field as well as in the laboratory. He also works as an expert witness and has worked on homicide investigations in the states of Kentucky, Texas, South Carolina as well as his native New York State. John was also hired to travel to Paraguay to exhume a body to collect DNA evidence as part of an international insurance fraud investigation. Despite interference from the government that almost resulted in his arrest, John was able to conclude that the body buried in Paraguay was not the insured, saving the insurance company over $3 million. (From his consulting site, https://www.forensics4real.com/ )

Audible for the best Bitcoin content out there. This is a crypto Connie quick read. Welcome back to the show guys. Sorry about the slow start to our week here. I've got a totally new recording setup in a new location in the house. So this should make recording later into the night and still getting work done while people are here a lot easier. So hopefully this will actually up my volume of Stuff that I can get done, but this is the crypto economy with guys Swan and I am your host guys Swan the guy who's read more about Bitcoin then anybody else, you know, and if you didn't I wanted to announce something before we jump into this one. If you didn't see the Twitter post, I was invited to speak at bit block boom 2020 that the awesome the Bitcoin maximalist conference in Dallas, Texas. So honored to be a part of Of that and that's just really really exciting exciting and I've got so many ideas as to what the talk about. 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This is another one from Parker Lewis and Unchained Capital We are continuing with the gradually then suddenly series and this one is titled Bitcoin is not not too slow. in Peter teal 0 to 1 he outlines the impact new technology has on building a nonzero-sum future while the book is focused on individuals and companies Bitcoin as a monetary system is the ultimate zero to one technology leap for historical examples teal highlights the Advent of the steam engine as well as the shift from typewriters to computer processors among others he also It's a view that innovation has largely stagnated since the early 1970s while noting that technological progress since then has been more 1 to n than zero to one Bitcoin fixes. This Bitcoins Innovation is not only 0 to 1. It is fundamentally distinct from the class of innovation. That is the focus of teals book Bitcoin is a monetary protocol built on. On digital scarcity the impact of which will be far broader than steam engines and computer processors. Bitcoin fixes this there's a new meme floating around the internet whatever the problem Bitcoin fixes this negative yielding debt Bitcoin fixes this wealth inequality Bitcoin fixes. This endless global war Bitcoin fixes this financial crises Bitcoin fixes this rage culture Bitcoin fixes this we're not exactly sure how just yet but it's an articulation of the balancing effect a sound and stable monetary. We'll have on every aspect of society money is the coordination function of society. It allows hundreds of millions of people to cooperate who otherwise would not have a basis to do so and Bitcoin is the tool that will allow for more peaceful coordination because it is both unmanipulated oil and devoid of moral hazard. How it globalizes is the one to n problem not in the express sense as teal describes what the solutions to scale Bitcoin will naturally be incremental the nonzero some collective benefit that follows may not literally cure every ill in the world. But the invention of a step function change monetary network is fundamentally different than any single product because money is the Economic good that coordinates all other economic activity. quote the problem is precisely how to extend the span of our utilization of resources beyond the span of the control of anyone mind and therefore how to dispense with the need of conscious control and how to provide inducements which will make the individuals do the desirable things without anyone having to tell them what to do end quote fa Hayek the use of knowledge in society Hyatt writes about the invention of money and the price mechanism as the tool that allows Society to dispense with the need of quote conscious control Bitcoin is the superior successor to this mechanism and it's zero to one Innovation is digital scarcity not payments or speed of transactions while Bitcoins property of scarcity still needs further stress testing. It is a profound. And what makes Bitcoin unique never before Bitcoin has any asset let alone a digital one been finitely scarce. The end result of its Innovation is the hardest form of money that is ever existed. That is the zero to one achievement and a phenomenon that almost certainly will not be repeated. Every other problem that Bitcoin will have to overcome is more pedestrian relative to scarcity digital payments the idea that human Ingenuity can create digital scarcity, but that we then cannot layer on Payments Technology does not logically follow Payments Technology is just one of the many 1 to n innovations that will be built on top of Bitcoin to Lies its adoption not only are payments easier to solve. It is also not a critical path that needs solving today. The primary use case for Bitcoin today is as a savings mechanism not payments over time as adoption increases and as more infrastructure is built Bitcoin will evolve into a more transactional currency, but that process will occur gradually not suddenly. And as the shift occurs, Bitcoin adopters will continue to leverage Legacy monetary systems and Legacy payments rails. Not a payments rail. The Bitcoin blockchain will never be a layer for Mass payments, but there is a considerable amount of debate on this topic many hold the view that for Bitcoin to be quote successful. It needs to be a One-Stop shop combining the roles of currency issuer settlement layer and payments rail while Bitcoin fulfills the first two functions beautifully currency issuer and settlement layer. It is categorically not a payments rail. Both for reasons of speed and scale Bitcoin fails the payments test the good news. We don't need the Bitcoin Network to be a payments rail much of the confusion in the philosophical rather than technical debate stems from the opening Salvo of the Bitcoin white paper, a peer-to-peer electronic cash system peer-to-peer has been interpreted by some to imply that Bitcoin needs to be able to handle. Every last transaction in the world between any two Piers separately others believe that if Bitcoin transactions cannot occur as the scale or speed of Visa or Mastercard, it is structurally flawed essentially according to Skeptics if Bitcoin cannot meet both of these standards it fails on its promise. Thankfully it does not for additional background Bitcoin blocks are solved every 10 minutes on average. Ever Bitcoin blocks are not solved precisely every 10 minutes on a fixed schedule. The next block may be solved in one minute or 20 minutes 30 seconds or 36 minutes the network adjust such that blocks are solved on average every 10 minutes. How could a merchant or transaction processor live in a world either this slow or unpredictable Separately Bitcoin blocks have a limited amount of space to include transactions while there is not a fixed transaction capacity in Bitcoin by count each Bitcoin transaction consumes a limited amount of blocks space as a function of limited capacity blocks include approximately 2700 transactions on average with 10 minute average block intervals six blocks per hour 24 hours per day. A 365 days per year that equates to a network capacity of approximately 145 million transactions per year, which is the equivalent of approximately 4.6 transactions per second visa on the other hand processes 124 billion transactions per year at a rate of around 4,000 transactions per second. See here a link included. added How can Bitcoin be the purely peer-to-peer engine that powers the Global Financial system if it operates at nearly one one-thousandth the scale and speed of Visa alone. The reality has always been that if Bitcoin or to have a non zero value the consequence would be a system so valuable that any base layer would not be able to handle all transactions without sacrificing. Centralization or censorship resistance without these properties Bitcoin would not be a zero to one Innovation and its value function with breakdown. Ultimately the Bitcoin protocol layer provides the function of currency issuance and final settlement, but it is not capable of storing every small purchase including your Starbucks for the rest of time for everyone. If it were the latter all transactions by all people no matter how big or how small would have to be validated in stored by every other person on Earth without a mechanism to align the interests of network participants a tragedy of the commons problem would exist in the end result would be a less secure currency system subject to centralization instead. We accept a mechanism to limit transaction throughput at the base layer. Are shifting aspects of Bitcoins peer-to-peer transactional architecture two separate layers that integrate with Bitcoin. These trade-offs have been made in order to secure the foundation of Bitcoins monetary system decentralisation leads to censorship resistance, which makes possible the fixed Supply. a snapshot of the Bitcoin white paper with highlighted a purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash many point to this text from the Bitcoin white paper released by its synonymous founder as evidence that Bitcoin was always intended to fulfill every payment by every possible Network peer it does say quote purely peer-to-peer after all however, more important to bitcoin than anything written in this summary or any interpretation is Bitcoins consensus mechanism. Everything critical in Bitcoin is enforced by a consensus of network participants, including its fixed Supply and ultimately the capacity within each Bitcoin block which limits the number of transactions it can process. This is the fundamental difference between Bitcoin and the Legacy Financial system monetary policy by consensus rather than by Fiat. Bitcoins founder created a system that ultimately removed critical decisions from any Central Authority instead deferring to the wisdom of Market consensus. It is a system that is flexible enough to be adapted but rigid enough that any material change is very difficult. As a consequence Network peers have to decide on a decentralized basis how best to scale Bitcoin. It is through this consensus mechanism that Bitcoin dispenses of the need for quote conscious control. Everything comes with trade-offs in Bitcoin, there are two holy Grails a fixed 21 million Supply and preventing the currency from being spent multiple times the double spend problem. The value of Bitcoin is derived from its ability to secure both of these functions on a decentralized trustless basis and both are inextricably linked to Bitcoins fixed network capacity. think of the capacity when in each Bitcoin block as valuable digital real estate all Market participants seeking to clear Bitcoin transactions have to compete for Block capacity scarcity and network capacity is the function by which Bitcoins shared resource is optimized or think of it as Bitcoin solution to the tragedy of the commons competition for the scarce resource ensures that the resources used efficiently and that it's value is maximized ultimately scarcity causes Market participants to compete with each other bidding up the value of the Network's capacity rather than shifting negative externalities on to the rest of the network. In Bitcoins free market the highest value and most profitable transactions are prioritized without scarcity and transaction capacity. This value function would break down. It is less important that we optimized for transaction capacity and more critical that scarcity exists. No one really knows the optimal amount of transactional capacity at any point in time partly because demand is ever-changing but also, Because it is generally growing over time. The critical piece is that capacity is known and scarce which allows Market participants to plan and ultimately to compete the commons is never depleted instead participants compete and innovate to figure out how best to utilize a scarce asset. Scarcity ensures that the commons is not abused and creates a predictable rate of growth in the overall size of Bitcoins blockchain, which ultimately protects and promotes decentralization as discussed in a prior addition miners secure the Bitcoin Network by devoting real world energy resources to run cryptographic hashing functions in to solve Bitcoin blocks by solving blocks. The miners validate history in clear current transactions, which are then checked invalidated by the rest of the network in return miners are paid in Bitcoin devote resources to secure the network and get paid in the Network's native currency Bitcoin. The actual compensation paid to minors comes in two forms newly issued Bitcoin and transaction fees in order to devote resources to do. To secure the network miners have to reliably expect that aggregate compensation will hold its value into the future approximately every four years. The newly issued Bitcoin paid to minors gets cut in half the Bitcoin happening today with each block 12.5 new Bitcoin are issued in approximately eight months when the next having event occurs see Hear that amount will be reduced to six point two five new Bitcoins per block approximately four years after that 3.125 new Bitcoins per block will be issued. This process will continue until we reach the smallest unit of Bitcoin one one hundred millionth and thereafter. No new Bitcoin will be issued. This is the issuance function that governs Bitcoins fixed. Apply 21 million and as a derivative function, it also shifts compensation to secure the network from Mostly new Bitcoin today to ultimately a system relying completely on transaction fees. But how does this relate to visa and transaction capacity? If it were not for the scarcity of capacity and each Bitcoin block there would not be a mechanism to create a transaction fee Market scarcity and block space creates competition between Market participants to clear transactions, which causes them to bid up the value of real estate and to use it efficiently without a fee Market the only mechanism to pay minors to secure the network would be to altered. Coins fixed monetary policy and increase Supply but recall that scarcity in Bitcoins fixed Supply 21 million is the basis of its store of value property, which is where the rubber meets the road by creating scarcity and network capacity. We also ensure the Integrity of Bitcoins fixed Supply, which makes the whole value cycle function. Working within this reality scarcity is a far more important property than either the speed or ultimate capacity of transaction throughput fixed network capacity leads to the limited transaction capacity which leads to the themarket which ensures the fixed supply of Bitcoin. and because the real problem Bitcoin is intending to solve is that of money in global QE not payments those that store wealth in Bitcoin would much rather secure the money supply then sacrifice its long-term integrity and credibility for transaction throughput In short the future of Bitcoin is far more secure in a world where all Market participants can depend on it having a reliably fixed in scarce Supply while accepting lower transaction throughput or speed as trade-offs. What good is high transaction throughput and faster speeds if the fundamental value of the underlying currency is at risk the existing Financial system has already made the opposite trade-off for us High transaction throughput and fast transactions by way of centralization, but with the cost of an architecture susceptible to systemic monetary debasement. Bitcoin represents the alternative and we are not about to make the same mistake twice. Bitcoin does not equal Visa. Ultimately Bitcoin is not competing with visa for Supremacy and Global Payments instead Bitcoin is competing with the dollar euro Yen and gold as money in any comparison to Visa its transaction volume or transactions speed is fundamentally flawed Bitcoin fulfills the role of currency issuer and final settlement as a result. The proper comparison would be between Bitcoin and the It as currency issuer and as a clearing mechanism. No one makes the mistake of confusing the functions of visa for that of the New York fed, but for some reason the comparison is often made between visa and Bitcoin. while it would require time and investment visas payment Network could sit on top of the Bitcoin Network to fulfill payments much the same way it sits on top of the existing banking system rather than clearing the currency through a central bank Final settlement of transactions would clear through the Bitcoin Network in the existing architecture the payments layer visa and the settlement layer banking Network and central banks are separate and distinct the principal problem Bitcoin intends to Solve has little to do with the former but instead with the mechanism by which currency is issued in cleared think the fed and QE Visa helps move dollars, but Visa is not the dollar. It is a technology company that provides a service. It has 17,000 employees Bitcoin has none. Whether credit or debit Visa is an inherently trust based credit system while consumers generally associate swiping a Visa card or the equivalent at a point of sale terminal as payment. It really is not instead balances are checked transactions are authorized and settlement occurs later dollars are not actually cleared through a central bank or settled at the point of sale. Every time a transaction is processed individual transactions are also never Really cleared instead transactions are batched together netted and settled at a later point in time only then our accounts credited with proper balance has someone someone attempts to equate a Visa transaction with final settlement that it's just not the way the world works. But that is the comparison that is implicitly being made when someone attempts to compare Visa with Bitcoin. Bitcoin versus the Federal Reserve When compared against its real competition the fed the ECB boj Etc Bitcoin begins to look like a Ferrari final global settlement approximately every 10 minutes 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year on a permissionless basis compare this to the existing permission to financial system, which is subject to multiple layers of bank and Central. Bank intermediaries and is only open during quote business hours. This is the great missed Nomar that exist within Bitcoin those that believe Bitcoin to be too slow or lacking in network capacity are comparing Bitcoin to the wrong application. We could set up a network of banks on top of the Bitcoin Network in the payment system would function as it does today. The pushback on this point is the risk of centralization if Bitcoin were to just sit in centralized Banks, it would increase the possibility that the Bitcoin Network could be co-opted and undermined by a network of Banks and central banks whether to force changes to network consensus rules or to censor end users. Ultimately. This was Gold's failure as a monetary medium. It was susceptible to centralization which then spawned Fiat currencies, which have turned. To be easily manipulable while this is unlikely and hopefully not how Bitcoin scales money and Payments Technology are distinct problems. The fundamental reason being that there are two sides to every value transfer one side almost always involving money and the other as the Fulfillment of goods and services payments layers help provide a bridge. Because of the nature of trade the two sides of value transfer generally and naturally occur by different processes and different points in time. Think about the settlement of currency on one side and the transfer of title to a home or car on the other or payment for a good on Amazon and the Fulfillment of that good two days later two different processes occurring at two different times and it is important to recognize that Bitcoin has no knowledge of the outside. World whether identities or the second leg of a value transfer. All Bitcoin knows how to do is issue and validate currency whether a Bitcoin is a Bitcoin. This is really the function and limitation of any base currency system payments layers provide a bridge between currency settlement the fed or Bitcoin and the Fulfillment of goods and services gold solved mask. Comments via Bank centralization the dollar the fed and large payments processors such as Visa Bitcoin likely solves payments through a technologically Superior mechanism, but we have time to solve what is a separate and distinct problem from that of money. Scaling Bitcoin is 1 to n if we solve the problem of money through digital scarcity first 0 to 1 the technology advancements to scale transactions and ultimately solve payments are 1 to n. It is not credible to think that human Ingenuity can solve the former. But then fail on the incremental derivatives. It is not just a matter of Hope and Faith instead. It is one of reason and logic considering both the advancements in scaling solutions that are already being pursued and the challenges relative to the problem Bitcoin has already solved permissionless innovation in the economic incentives inherent in Bitcoin will coordinate and accelerate solutions to any number of future challenges Market participants have an incentive to increase the value of the network and to innovate to scale the network, but the solutions will have to work within the Network's consensus or Garner sufficient consensus to change the rules. Because of the nature of Bitcoins economic incentives, it is far more likely that scaling Solutions work within existing consensus rules one such example of an advancement to scale Bitcoin within the Network's consensus is the lightning Network the lightning Network Builds on top of Bitcoin as a trust minimized layer to scale transaction capacity, which Still Remains fundamentally distinct from payments fulfillment. However, if successful lightning will be used to create Bitcoin payment channels that enable far greater transaction throughput at far lower cost the scale and speed of which would rival Visa while it may not be the ultimate solution. It is an example of the Innovation that Bitcoin is fostering lightning is also only one of many solutions that are actively being developed in competition will drive us toward the best scaling Solutions of which there may be a combination of many The approach to scaling Bitcoin is a slow and conservative process Bitcoin is too important to follow the Silicon Valley Mantra of move fast and break things instead. It's move slowly and don't break anything. If a Global Financial system is to be built on a decentralized monetary system. The foundation must be protected at all cost. Ensure the security of the base monetary layer Bitcoin first and then allow Network participants to innovate on top of it in a permissionless manner. Remember that Bitcoin is only 10 years old. We are in the very Inception of Bitcoins monetization event and infrastructure is still being built to allow for the proliferation of this new technology. It's a little ridiculous to contemplate the problem Bitcoin has already solved and then immediately pivot to a quote but why not mass payments today line of thinking especially when considering that Bitcoin in its clearing function is already faster and more reliable than comparable mechanisms for final settlement of dollars Euros Yen or gold then when understanding that the fundamental use case for Bitcoin today is as a long-term savings. Mechanism not to fulfill payments. It becomes more clear that not only is the problem misdiagnosed but also that the desired Solutions can wait, we will need the ability to fulfill payments in the future, but we have time before we get there in due time. We're going to have our cake and eat it too. All right. That was the awesome addition to the gradually then suddenly series by Parker Lewis Bitcoin is not too slow. 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I love that he starts off. he's actually got a quote early on talking about how the the idea of the market and the price system is to create a mechanism to create a system of organization that doesn't require conscious thought and it's specifically because the ability to utilize all of the information all of the data in society is not possible except through a collective mechanism by allowing essentially the boots on the ground closest to the problems in the data and the people that they're working with to make the final decisions about their value and their involvement in it and then collectively when everyone has basically independent command over their own resources in their own lives and their own associations and cooperation with people in their lives. Well, then you extend that out and you have a essentially a Market result that is able to accumulate or account for and a literally impossible amount of information and that's from the use of knowledge in society from F A Hayek and it's a great analogy or or basically concept to bring up to two how Bitcoin basically leverages this by creating a monetary base and allowing permissionless Innovation to a much simpler problem the problem of creating payments. And if you haven't heard that one, I personally love that section. It's a little bit deep in the weeds for economics. But I have I think it's two episodes that we dig into the use of knowledge in society and I talked about it a lot and try to break it down. So it's a little bit easier language to make sense of but that's such a such an amazing piece and it's such a critical idea. That's a counterintuitive in a lot of different ways. And it's also so nuanced. It's so easy to forget that's actually one that I will refresh myself on from time to time of my own show just because I always want to keep that perspective of how important it is. And how much information is actually being accounted for by giving people the freedom to command their own resources. When you have a central party like some board of like self-aggrandizing arrogant Economist thinking they're just Going to account for everything by watching prices, you're already negating or manipulating prices. Excuse me, you're already negating all of the information and all of the knowledge the millions of people the billions of relationships and lives and the amount of time that it took each one of these people to you know, do this the number of resources that they found the Alternatives that they had in their situation through billions hundreds of billions of transactions that led to the market price and They're just going to manipulate the result of that and that it's then going to have some sort of effect on all the information that led us there. It's actually it's actually pretty similar like a decent analogy I think is thinking that we can solve the consequences of a disease or something and that that means the disease is gone away. Like let's say I've got tuberculosis or something and you know, I'm coughing a lot. Well, as long as I take some NyQuil to stop the coughing Oh, well, then we're good to her closest isn't there anymore now, you've just hidden the fact that my body is telling me something is terribly terribly wrong. And that's what the price is. It is a consequence. It's a side effect of what's actually happening and to think that you can manipulate the money the prices all of these things. This is what creates these awful imbalances that Bitcoin is here to solve. That's why we need a tool as powerful and decentralized and As Bitcoin and that's why this concept that he uses that I'm going to steal the crap out of I mean, it's something that's out there but I like the 0 to 1 and then 1 to n. I've heard the zero to one thing Alex vets. He talks about it there Gigi. I mean so many people in the Bitcoin space tried to get that idea across and it's so important because Bitcoin was a single invention. It's a it created digital scarcity for the first time ever and it created a centralized monetary base and anything that we want to do with that anything we want to use to do we want to be able to leverage that monetary security and that that Independence that that ability to coordinate actions and agreements with people to cooperate with others without all of the trust necessary without the risk of manipulation corruption that our current Legacy system puts us at like That risk we'll all of those are one to end. All of those are not they are they're tiny tiny problems in comparison to the problem that just got solved with Bitcoin as another quote that he has towards the beginning that he reiterates a number of times through this piece and I he should have repeated it twice as often was that where's the quote? I got in here every other problem that Bitcoin will have to overcome is more. Edit pedestrian relative to scarcity digital payments the idea that human Ingenuity can create digital scarcity, but that we then cannot layer on a Payments Technology does not logically follow and that's does. It's funny. I've always kind of thought of it as some Faith or hope which he kind of alludes to later on. Is that while the market can solve that problem, but that felt like a cop-out to me one when I would think For myself that like, okay, like I know Payments Technology is going to get solved and I don't have to have a clear explanation right now for why that is going to happen. I think lightning network is an amazing tool that goes so far in setting up a new network that can make this problem basically inconsequential but it doesn't scale a thousand X right now. It just doesn't like with my current experience it somewhere. Between a 10 to 20 x 4 payments just with myself and if that's like common across the network. Well, then, you know, it's a 10 to 20 X increase in payments where you would have to Atomic swap or splice or doing own chain transaction 1 out of every 10 or 20 tons, which is a massive Improvement. And at this stage the fact that we can get that level of additional scaling in payments already and the incremental improvements will create Exponential progress in that that only getting like five percent more effective results in a massive result for how to allocate these things in there so many different Technologies around it's just not a big issue, but I did tend to think of it or set the frame of reference in my own mind that I kind of just had faith that it was going to get sorted out because the markets really good at sorting stuff like that out. Putting it in this perspective, um a demonstrates exactly how logical it actually is that it's actually got nothing to do with fate. It's about basic rationality in the degree of problems that are being solved and that's just such a beautiful way to put it is that digital payments are easy shit. Like they're just not that hard we can get we've solved that a hundred different ways many many times in the past. Um, there isn't one. Solution to it. We can have thousands of solutions. If we need to we can have a varying degree a huge range of the degree of trust in these payments that we that we allow for, you know consumer payments versus big payments versus, you know, like censorship resistant payments and all of these other decentralized networks on top of it. We can have a whole range of all of this stuff. We can make the shitty proof of stake trade-off only layer on top of Bitcoin. But if we do it on the new network, we have no Foundation to settle to if something goes wrong, which is why this is such a zero to one invention. This is this is a this is a discovery because we only have one really good solution to the trust problem to the decentralized monetary system problem, but we have an unlimited number of solutions to the payments problem first we could just Put our entire current system on top of it and we've got something that's vastly better than what we've already got but we already have a decentralized permission list base to start from in which anyone can innovate on so we're limited to none of the problems or restrictions or permissions or regulations anything that's needed on the Legacy system all of that vanishes when we're building on top of Bitcoin. It is literally like Saying well the internet a why do we need the Internet? We already got radio. We already got pictures and photo albums. We already got TV. We already got mail. We've already got Telegraph. We got all these Technologies already. Why do we need a permission list layer to basically do it all on one thing. That seems silly right? Well, no, it's because we can now innovate in any way whatsoever. All of those systems were permissioned all of the you can't you? Can't just broadcast radio. You can't just create a voicemail for AT&T as a person in my home. Like you have to go work for AT&T and update their entire infrastructure. It's about creating a market for permissionless Innovation. And with that a global ecosystem of millions hundreds of millions of people that have a stake in making this thing valuable in using it for as much as they It's to minimize their trusted relationships with other people to secure their own sovereignty in their own money. Having that incentive system in place only permissionless programmable monetary base. There's nothing that can compare payments are so not important in that concept. Like it's just it's gonna get solved because it's not nearly as difficult as the problem Bitcoin is solving right now. As Parker Lewis says it is not a payment Slayer. It's a monetary system. It is a issuing and settlement system. There's another great quote that he's got a little bit further down that this is the fundamental difference between Bitcoin in the Legacy Financial system monetary policy by consensus rather than by Fiat that is the Breakthrough revolutionary Innovation and anything that compromises that mechanism of consensus that that mechanism of Defending that monetary policy in exchange for something. Is Trivial as payments is absolutely absurd particularly when trying to think of the payment system or the payments problem as a base layer thing is just hilariously dumb like the the base layers never going to handle all of these like everybody Compares it to Visa Visa is not the only payments Network in the in the world. There are many different credit card and debit card companies. There are payments Technologies as PayPal this In MO is all of these things. There's Visa is a drop in the bucket of the payments problem and the idea of trying to actually wrote about this pretty extensively in was it like seven misconceptions of the Bitcoin scaling problem? I think really old article one of the early episodes of the show. I'll try to remember to link to it. So you guys can go back and listen to that one if you would like but I talk about comparing like Visa payments and stuff. Like we're talking about a system that is going to allow for streaming money as Andreas Antonopoulos puts it and it we're going to have hundreds. If not thousands of different scaling options at our disposal will probably see a couple of dominant ones just like you see, you know, You know a couple of dominant protocols built on top of the internet and that's just because integration will be simpler and there will be something that scales a lot better than the others or at least has the highest trust minimization in the scaling of that I think is going to be lightning Network because lightning network is unbelievably and just an awesome tool particularly with some some of the recent developments like turbo channels that are going to be hitting with services like Olympus. Jack mailers we read his announcement of that on the show and that's such a fascinating concept with Breeze wallet. There's so many great Technologies and the development is happening so fast, it's hard to keep up with but again, there's going to be there's going to be a plethora of these and lightning network does not have to be the end-all be-all in fact because of how extraordinary that lightning contract is It could just as well be something that ends up basically providing liquidity for Capital markets. Like it actually can actually be more of its own like secondary settlement layer on top of Bitcoin that allows for massive transactions between large businesses and Enterprises like we could actually see I personally think we'll see very very well-funded lightning channels. Become a part of creating a business agreement with someone that when Apple is going to buy all of their glass from Corning for their iPhones and stuff. Well, then they part as part of their agreement. They say well we're going to have a Channel with you know, a hundred ninety million dollars worth of value in it worth of bitcoin in it for this set period of time while our contract is still live and then we can do with what we will like from then on out, I don't think I don't think that's a not even a stretch and be what an amazing position for apple and Corning to be in to hold a contract where after they after they make an exchange for something like that that they can still settle between themselves maybe even with a third-party put a third signature in their of their Law Firm or you know, some some intermediary that's going to help settle any dispute between the The second part of that like he talks about this a Parker talks about this a lot in the article, which is great is that payments is a two-step thing that happens in two completely different stages first, there's money then there's the deliverable of the good or the service and that's why I think lightning networks insurance and collateral like contract essentially smart contract could be so powerful in providing a source for something like that. That they basically have some sort of a time lock unless there was a third person who basically says, okay, I have proven or I have validated for myself that the good or the service in question has been delivered and therefore now nobody has to wait a month or whatever to settle this to the Bitcoin chain, whereas before there would be some sort of a time lock and this these are this is something that could easily be done right now with the lightning Network. It's just that the infrastructure is not They're managing the keys to be a real pain in the ass. The the static backup function is not quite there amps. There's a lot of different reasons why it would just be a huge headache right now, but they're mild incremental improvements over the period of a couple of years that could basically solve all of these issues. And theoretically they're already solved. It's really just a process of implementation at this point, but going back to my original point with talking about like streaming money and stuff on the analogy that I use Used in the misconceptions about the Bitcoin scaling problem was that to think that we're going to use Visa as our metric for how many payments we have to worry about on the Bitcoin network is analogous to taking the number of faxes that were done in the 80s or maybe the number of like actual handwritten letters to each other in order to predict how many emails were going to send or in order to predict how many? Times we're going to have a conversation with other people in 20 years only internet is that that's the ultimate scaling goal if faxes and snail mail were our metric for how much we had to scale the internet. It would have been hilariously off Mark. I have so many conversations with so many people. I have like 40 telegram chats open at all times and I'm talking with many different groups. I'm on social media. I send emails multiple every Eagle day I get a get a bunch of emails and that's with a bunch of filters to immediately cut out anything that says subscribe or unsubscribe in it and move and Mark all of this stuff is red. I get like 20 important emails everyday after all of my filters. I've I kill my fax allocation in before I'm awake in the morning. And that's why in the article I say that trying to use Visa as your metric and thinking of payments in the same way that we've always thought of them as strictly like going to a consumer like like going to Starbucks and buying a coffee if we think of it like that. It's it's just as ridiculous as thinking in the reverse in the snail mail and fax machines for or faxes For What were what the volume of information and communication will be on the Internet. It's just painfully ignorant and short-sighted and what we actually need to realize is that Visa is not a drop in the like Visa alone is not a drop in the bucket of the scaling problem. It is a drop in the ocean. We are going to be talking about millions of payments a second. We're going to be talking about entire networks. That didn't make Visa look laughably ridiculous because we have we Payments going every single time that we update packets were watching a video. We're going to have streaming payments as a possibility in this new realm and I don't think I don't think comparing two visa. I think not only is trying to accomplish visa on the base layer 8 absurd proposition, but thinking that Visa is The Benchmark we have to worry about is that is equally absurd it equally misses the mark of what the actual end game. here is And something that he kind of he brings up not quite the same way that I usually talk about it in some of the past pieces that we've gone into but it basic basically he says the real problem that Bitcoin solves is that of money and Global QE that we have a independent decentralized monetary issuance and ownership settlement. trust lists ownership settlement in that it like ownership settlement that is entirely independent of any other system institution Authority politics anything ownership that is independent to this the Bitcoin system itself on and that is the power that is the unbelievable value and it is only because through the consensus rules Bitcoin creates an Artificial environment and an environment that is isolated to everything else in the digital space where certain types of data are treated with an explicit set of rules. And without those rules without verifying without creating a barrier for information that invalidates those rules that cheats those rules in running full nodes without creating a network that is ensuring that only only the data within that artificial environment is explicitly within those rules. There's nothing there. There's nothing there. It's all arbitrary. If we are not enforcing the artificial environment which is explicitly and only a derivative of the consensus rules. And we've not got anything there. We've got no assurances. We've got no Integrity of The Ledger and transaction throughput Isn't worth shit. I love the he was like, we've already done that. We already did that the current Financial system already makes that opposite trade-off. No Integrity highly trusted massive amount of payments. We already did that. We don't need another one of those. He's got another great line in here just about which is funny because I don't really think to bring this up when I'm talking on this is point typically but it's so true is that it doesn't matter whether you're using debit or credit or like whatever Visa is just a credit system. Like it's not there's no settlement in that like like we think of payments but like Bitcoin is a final settlement that every 10 minutes every time there's a block there's hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of settlement on top of You don't have any of that with Visa you don't get so mad at all until way later. Sometimes multiple days because of how it clears on particularly. If you're having to go like a Crossing Borders or something like that where at five o'clock, you know, Visa settles to the bank and then five o'clock the next day the bank settles and if you're going overseas, well, then they have to settle with an intermediary like International Bank and then that settles with the local Bank in the other country. He and each one of those takes like a full business day to actually settle. So that's why I like overseas payments or sending money overseas can sometimes take three or four days is because that's typically the number of Institutions that it's having to move through because they only settle towards the end of their day and even that settlement is not settled it stilled reversible and like like final at that. It's all still Authority based. So so much of that can still be undone or manipulated just by the politics or the authority involved in saying okay. There was a transaction or there wasn't obviously it is not even remotely permissionless and thinking that Bitcoin should do the degree of settlement that it has for every single payment ever is to basically say that the Innovation that it has in settlement in creating a trust. Trustless independent monetary base with no Federal Reserve with no Central Bank where consensus is establishes the rules and where the underlying monetary system cannot be changed. It is literally almost it is incredibly difficult to change and we're settlement is cumulative where the amount of barrier that force field of proof of work around your transaction is Stronger and stronger the longer you hold Bitcoin Bitcoin is a Time Value. It is a Time dependent amount of value in assurances of your ownership. Like when you if I made payments with my Bitcoin every single 10 minutes. Well, then I only ever have a you know one blocks worth of assurances that I'm the final owner of that Bitcoin that that my change address is in fact controlled by me, but if if I hold it for a year. Well that I have entire years worth of blocks proving that I am the owner. You aren't utilizing Bitcoin. If you only hold it for 10 seconds, you're utilizing none of the powerful feature in the unbelievably revolutionary aspect utility of the system, which is that the longer you have it the more you are absolutely certain. It's yours. That is the utility of Bitcoin. To think that we're supposed to do payments every single second and that's the utility of Bitcoin know that's the utility of some sort of payments Network. They will have on top of Bitcoin but the ownership of Bitcoin that force field around anyone's ability anywhere in the world to edit your ownership. That is the value of Bitcoin. You are only utilizing Bitcoin if you are holding for an extended period of time, that's how you utilize. Its Value proposition. That's why he calls it payments. I mean a savings technology, which is the only way out of our huge mess. We need savings technology PR Richard talks about all that all time. You're not following Parker Lewis and Pierre Richard now that I brought him up, you're really missing out. So go do that. And there's another great line. There's another great line for you finish this thing out is that Quote it is important to recognize that Bitcoin has no knowledge of the outside world whether identities or the second leg of a value transfer. All Bitcoin knows how to do is issue and validate currency. In other words decide whether a Bitcoin is a Bitcoin. I thought that was a really really great way to put it the thing that Bitcoin does. Is validate is confirm Beyond any doubt that one Bitcoin is one Bitcoin. That's what it does the fact that it does transactions at the same time on the base layer is just as simply a function of that process and as Parker Lewis said the ability to aggregate payments the ability to create Payments Technology with this independent monetary base. Create a financial system on top of it is a 1 to n invention or innovation. It is something that we can have thousands millions of incremental improvements to as the time comes we need it and simply put we don't need it yet. That is not the major problem of society that is not where the hundreds of trillions of dollars of imbalances lie that need to be solved that Problem is in the central bank system that problem is in the underlying financial markets in derivatives in the fractional in the global fractional Reserve System that is where the bulk that is. Where are huge problems and imbalances and wealth inequality and Corruption and manipulation come from and that is the problem Bitcoin is solving that is a hundred trillion dollar problem payments. Our peanuts in comparison to that problem. That is why it makes no sense to think you can solve the former but not the latter. It's like saying you can create a combustion engine that runs on gas and creates incredible power density for the amount of fuel that it takes but you'll never figure out how to put wheels on the thing. Is his last section reminds me of the Bitcoin in software reliability stuff that article that we did by Beauty on such a great piece. Just talking about the mission critical nature of a Bitcoin and why the typical Mantra does not apply here and then he goes into this as well. And this is another great line. The approach to scaling Bitcoin is a slow and conservative process Bitcoin is to Hornet to follow the Silicon Valley Mantra of move fast and break things instead, it's move slowly and don't break anything. It's really hard to stress that enough because the the mentality of most developers that get into this system don't realize what they're dealing with that because this is an artificial environment. Screwing with the the parts of the system that create this environment which we've which was seemed deemed impossible literally an impossibility in computer science just 10 years ago. Screwing with those with that part of it makes no sense whatsoever. And it is the opposite of making progress because you need you need to protect the foundation at all cost only then can you actually build things on top of it? If your game is running into this problem right now, they want to do a theorem 2.0 and it breaks like half of the applications built on top of it. So people are just moving away. They're migrating away from the system. Either that or they're trying to prevent the etherium from being quote unquote fixed because the thing is so bloated and of course can't scale is everybody has been trying to tell them for ages in the foundation is in fact week. It is highly trusted in fira is basically deciding what an aetherium is and what it isn't if we made foundational changes to TCP IP or HTML or HTTP or something every six months every year. Here the whole the internet would stop working until everybody upgraded how ridiculous is that you have to ossify these core protocols or you can't build anything on top of it because making even a minor change could break so much stuff on top of it. It just it's just a terrible terrible idea. It is a slow and conservative process to update Bitcoin a highly recommended Bitcoin in software reliability. Liability by Beauty on I don't remember what the episode is, but I'll put it in the show notes. All right, we'll do we'll finish this out here. We're good. I really love the rant on this one. I've always just I've been loving this gradually then suddenly series Parker Lewis just such a good job of breaking these things down and always manages to put it in a way that I haven't quite thought of yet. So I feel like I'm getting something out of every single one of these pieces on an ongoing basis all on topics that I could have swore. I've read and knew everything about and always encouraging me to go. Go back and listen to stuff like the use of knowledge in society, which I love so I will definitely link to all of that stuff. I'll link to let's see the use of knowledge in society Bitcoin software reliability. I'll link to the previous four episodes of the gradually then suddenly series here and there was something else I wanted to hit. Oh, yeah, the my own article to misconceptions about Bitcoin scalability. So I'll link to that one as well. 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So we thought this would be a good idea and we going to touch mother Africa the continent that we got a large fan base out there. Yeah, for sure. So before I start I want to shout out all of our International students. We are trending on the top charts and a lot of different companies countries Canada South Africa Mozambique Nigeria, Kenya Ghana Tanzania, Grenada, Barbados Botswana, Jamaica, UK Dr. The Netherlands and Oh, that is a Tanzania. Is that engineer? I think I said Tanzania sound to them. So yeah, shout out to you guys man. We really appreciate you know coming from America coming from New York who knew that somebody in South Africa will be interested in our conversation. But once again, I just goes to show you the power of the internet and in Great Britain to oh, yeah great, but we got to do something to London. Yeah, a lot of people from London always asking us when we come back. That's all right, Toronto and London are two biggest International markets. So You know best special but we know everybody else we and it's all a Melting Pot. So alive most people from our listeners probably in Toronto and UK, they're immigrants and some level and parents that you know, they come from Africa they come from Jamaica they come from the island. So it's all a Melting Pot it all mixes together for sure. So we have a very familiar guess if you listen to the podcast because he was a guest on the last podcast, especially a double-header. Cushiony doubleheader for us first show so welcome back. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Yes. We did a wardrobe. It was too long we had to yes. Yes. Alright, so we're going to talk about Africa, right we go talk about a lot of different things in Africa, but first we got to talk about something that started in an America where reached over to Africa which is basketball, right basketball is a global sport if anybody's not familiar I playing basketball my whole Life that was my original plan was going to the NBA as most young people in our community. Yes, right. So now my son has to live up to that. It's a lot of pressure on them. So so but the NBA is strategically spreading its wings across the globe, right? If you know anything about sports, you know, soccer is the most dominant sport in the world football football to remodel this house is house. Yeah. Yes exactly. Exactly American football is what they call our football. Yeah, that's the most popular sport in almost every country in the world. But basketball is catching up close probably second and majority countries is huge in Asia things like the number one sport in China and it is the number two sport in Africa right behind soccer or football. So the NBA decided that they're going to open Branch in Africa. Yeah actually wrote about this on Instagram, but it's going to be MBA Africa. I think right now in different countries are going to be participating and it just shows the spread of the game and I think it goes back to we can we can pinpoint it back to like the original Dream Team in 1992. Hopefully our listeners to remember back that far as she was crazy to us, but like yeah 1992 when the dream team played Angola and Everyone by like 70 something right, but it was the fact that you have people from a country in Africa. Competing with Michael Jordan Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and all those grates and then fast forward right like a guy like Joel embiid who's now at NBA superstar and you know guys like Serge Ibaka and siakam come from. Yeah, you know countries in Africa, you can contribute to that to that game of course and it's similar to like how like wish I was saying like China is number to support their right on clothes may be number one, but like impact that a guy like Al Ming as head, of course, right? So like you see now when An NBA players, especially those who have marketing Deals. They do the season right in the first step that they have on the offseason. They do a tour of China exactly. Right? And then you got companies like leaning and all these other companies signing guys because they know the global spread of it, right? Like that's our export like whereas sports like baseball is played in China, but not played in other country, right right like and same thing with American football. They tried it in London, but invest was the only International American sport exactly fact, so you You used to work for NBA League Pass rights, right? Yeah, and then so you you were a part of the African launch of the NBA league pass. Yeah. Yeah. So can you talk about that sure. She was okay y'all every every year I'm really pass for those who knows like the Netflix for basketball. So obviously you can watch if you live in New York or let's say you live in Chicago you basically if your local television stations on going to show you the Bulls right? And then maybe you can watch maybe a national televised game that has some other teams, but let's say you live in Chicago You all Rockets fan and you want to watch every game you had to subscribe to NBA league pass. And so that's how it works in the US but if people that are NBA fans internationally, they're not going to get as many games on their local television, or they may have people kind of record. Okay. Bye see ya. Wait what national game with the yeah, exactly. So now you can watch all the games on your on your app on your Apple TV or your Roku or your PlayStation. So I was on the team that was responsible for growing the digital platform digital League Pass outside the US and Africa was a major Focus for us and it was a growth area for a monetary. Standpoint China, Australia Canada. UK where the were the I guess the places that most of the revenue came from but for the what they saw the future growth from was was Africa for two reasons, not only from customer consumption standpoint, but from a talent standpoint to yeah, and I'm a member. I'm a huge Bulls fan. So I remember throughout day, right? Yeah. Yeah doing some amazing things. The Africa around but like when you have he's doing stuff with nipsey's partner. Yeah gross David program yesterday because like him on the podcast so did like what was the plan? Do you know like the NBA's plan to because obviously this is planned out. What was that plan to move into Africa like your to show those I mean, there's always relationships. You mentioned Angola game, but they've been NBA players from Africa since the 80s, right? So you had all Kimu changing these fucking Olajuwon great new bolts out then his son just got drafted. Exactly and you had Hakeem Olajuwon change his name. Yeah is Aki me it was no h prior to him coming to America right when he went to Houston. He put the H only right? I'm not really sure what the belted a scam. Yeah, and then you had the carrying my tumble. Yeah. It was who followed a new patch of mold and we mentioned. Yeah, the campaign has some direct ties into getting the league into Africa, right? So, you know those old. Is always have philanthropic relationships with the league, right? So like doings doing like, you know, nonprofit stuff, but in that what happened was illegal go there like wow, like you're from this tribe and everybody in this tribe has six nine and seven like we can do some here and obviously you have the visual League being a you know, the blackest league, right? There's some visual connections there and so they had it relied and then I think they learned a lot from the other leagues rights for instance the investment that the end. MLB Mass. Major League Baseball dozen Dominican Republic does in Venezuela doesn't in some of these other countries where there's a bunch of talent is on another level. So they're like, hey we could do this we can make this whole continent. Our pharmacists are trying to do that. Now, that's funny. He said that major-league base. They just had the Yankees and the Red Sox play in London and everybody was like we don't even care about these four. It's like a soccer and or its cricket, right? You know I'm saying so like that's true like they're trying to spend it to and I think maybe and maybe it's true or not, but because of the In of Africa, like we know that majority of the population is under like 25 exactly. Right? So there's a huge growth curve exactly right for potential athletes and business people were exactly so a lot of people ask the question. I wasn't really a hundred percent sure the teams don't know if you know not but the teams like the 19's who's gonna be the owners of those teams, you know people in Africa or yeah, so this actually so I left leak prior to this being announced. I don't know who's worse ensure the full structure, but what I remember, Were it being is a combination like a co-ownership between the league and local Partners? Okay. Yeah. Okay, because well, how do you feel person just your personal opinion about that. Do you feel like Africa would have been better to have their only because Europe Europe has own leagues. Like people come go from America all the time. And Africa does have leagues. Yeah, Nigeria specifically, it's not it's not the same. It's not the same level of Europe. So but like the Euroleague is very strong. Do you feel like they could have done better just forming a league together themselves. Do you feel like the NBA is a good partnership for them? The NBA is a good partnership. Like you said there are already leaks. They just haven't really taken off to the same level having a and also there's the issue in Africa not only between from a sports perspective, but from a business perspective where there's not too much inter-country trade, right? And so I think would have been difficult for like a league to be cross-continental and to have different things and all the ownerships being like inclusive. In those specific countries, I think the MBA being outside force for better for worse American Western sport force and tying it together makes it a lot better than people got to visualize that right because this isn't like you're going from New York to Florida you're going from country to Country. So like when they have a Spanish league and they're all in that country is exactly Raptors trying to do here, but they're really going at nine different country. And even you know, the year the European leagues just like the soccer leagues and you have You know you like in soccer you have Barcelona playing against Bayern or Real Madrid. I mean or Manchester United like traveling between those countries like the countries of really compact like traveling to his country is not really a big deal and they have the funds to do that. Like you can't take a train from Legos to I Cry or Legos to to you know, Johannesburg like it's it's not the same right? So I think the level of investment that you need and the organization you would need the NBA can work that out. Yeah, so that makes it a good partner and I think the African Union actually did they just announced that they're going to eliminate tariffs on into Continental trading we wrote about that. Yeah, there's like 40 countries involved. And yeah, I think it's going to start next year. We're terrorists will be eliminated for the majority of the continent. So they actually hopefully they're going to start doing more because you said like, you know, it's not a lot of that. Going right now, but hopefully that's a step in the right direction where they can actually start to trade in between the continent with each other. So, alright. So now we got we got the lead covered but we're going to go into some more interesting things on the on the continent the next segment. Learners are you currently paying off student loan debt interested in improving your financial literacy or looking for new ways to earn income and today's ever-changing digital landscape. Well on the talk money with the mesh lakhani podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts break down complex ideas and bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range of subjects from buying Bitcoin dealing with student loan debt and everything in between. So listen to talk money with mesh lakhani on Spotify or You listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest in earn in today's economy. Alright, so we're now we got about content right because continents can we've covered content on America, but we haven't covered content internationally. So iroko. Yep. Can you explain that? Yeah. So iroko is a Roku TV is the is a website. It's a startup that was created in 2011. I worked there from 2012 through almost 2015. And so what it is is basically the Netflix Africa and question is why? Nyan ethics Africa is because the third big third movie biggest movie Market in the world is actually out of Nigeria. So number one is Hollywood. Number two is Bollywood number three is not is not only what does I know right? Yeah never did not leave a huge there it actually when I want to use I work there actually gross about 800 million USD in that place and it's a tremendous Market its is interesting at least from my perspective. I might have consumed too much. Western content is not really my thing, but the movies are being produced for like less than $10,000 and in like two weeks high volume. Wow, as you can imagine because the mark the movies are not the highest priced and the biggest budget. You're not really seen action movie. These are like romantic movies comedy movies movies where you don't need special effects, but basically the way it worked is the the gentleman I work for he's a Nigerian Britt. So he lives in London travel to London. Jury often for to see family whatever and at the time all the content was in DVDs. So what his mom would do is go from London's and Legos spend maybe Christmas time or whatever their family come back with a suitcase full of DVDs. He was like, well, why can't my mom consume the content the same way I do on Netflix. And so that's how the idea started to move back to Nigeria took the sent the DVD content digitized it also Build relationships with some of the movie Producers to them they're like because Netflix wasn't a big thing out there the time they're like you wouldn't you want to give you want to pay me for my digital rights? And today I'm there. Like I don't even know what digital rights means but like if you want to give me some money as whatever so they you got some exclusive pretty pretty cheaply and basically took that took those that piece of content initially put on YouTube it started blowing up and because people that emigrated outside Africa that lives in the u.s. You can A here we will they were now able to see the latest movies without having to wait for people to send the DVDs back and then he eventually actually raise money from a u.s. Venture capital. So that firm was actually the probably one of the first to Africa based Tech firms to get us venture capital in 2011, and I joined them and open up their New York office because their biggest audience even though we're they had African continent were African's in the US. And so and then it kind of Grew From there. Well, so Netflix itself, right? He said it's a Netflix Fabrica. It doesn't exist on all continents. Right? And that's one of the things they said that it probably potentially has some great growth and we document, you know some of its setbacks as well. But what is like the price point on our Roku TV type situation, the latest price is it depends on the country. The latest price is so actually similar to Netflix so they have a 999 There is one that's around 699 but it's actually priced in and Lisa Nigerian naira and it's very volatile depends on the USDA exchange rate. Okay, but the company is accepts expanded. So since I worked there they've done a lot of production so they actually making movies. Let's go to make a now they are content. Yeah, and actually the as of two weeks ago. They actually ended up selling. That production house to a French media conglomerate called kind of cut out plus so cattle C8 and a l+ how many countries are there in um, so the the real content is global is everywhere so there when I was there and and even now there's customers in over 200 countries in the world because the African diaspora is everywhere and it was started by African African. Yep, African and a German So so basically to they went so the German person and African person went to school in Manchester. They met the African person came up with the idea and he co-founded with the German Visual and they both move full-time to Legos and puts it out ended up opening an office in New York and London to help distribute. The content something else was was recently started with a German and the African rain and went public. Julia Julia. Yeah, the Alibaba of Africa exactly. So there's this company called Rocket internet started by German brothers. And what they do is they actually built a building they build companies that are successful in the first world. So Amazon back Groupon all that kind of stuff and they build it in like Emerging Markets where those companies out there yet. And so what they did was they looked at Alibaba / Amazon here and they decided to build it in Africa. N equal to jr. And so they're in Nigeria. They are in Kenya are some other countries as well. And so yes there there. It's interesting. There is there is like I guess a few people of German to send that bill tech companies in Africa. So that's so they really watching the world as it's happening and saying, all right, let's go to a party where where it's not happening and let's build it exactly fuck. I mean from a kid from Queens man, like your journey has been out of this world like wherever the vision like the your studies whatever take you like. No, definitely not definitely not man. Just kind of like working in, you know went to school. I knew I wanted to do business then know what that really meant because I didn't really have business people in line in my my you know, my family or even around me Haitian, right? I'm hey, she's not today. She massive. Yeah, man Haitian thing is like hey Mom's a nurse. You going to be a doctor? Well, if you don't want to die to be a lawyer if you wanna be a lawyer be engineer, and so this business thing is it was something different. And study business got a was was was fortunate to be part of an internship program called inroads in college and I college and she used me to Wall Street from the Wall Street financial crisis happened fell out of love with Wall Street went to school and kind of discovered Tech and the world and how it was used around the world kind of that's kind of how I ended up working at this company. This is so we talk about music because I know you had mentioned on a Content musical content. Yeah, it's hot right now as far as the afrobeat. It's a bunch of artists out there Wizkid Burna Boy burnable. He just found out yeah. Yeah. Yeah smile has a song on the radio. They keep playing all the time. The Joanna saw Joanne is like toy things that to get the name to titled and then all I know is that it follows me. Every time I get in the car is right knows this guy man. He's burning up right now. I think I song with casting over to but um, yeah, he talked about that that video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And so obviously being in the movie space in Nigeria. There was a close proximity to the musical space. And so the CEO came up with an idea. Like, alright, let's come up with a company called Iraq King which we would is basic Spotify for Africa where we take that content and so a lot of these people you talk about we did we were the first ones to digitize that content even back then. It was too early. It's too early. I mean it company was out there and it just the music wasn't as popular yet here and then obviously probably after they decided to wrap it up and focus only on music. I mean movies hundred percent like that's when like whiskey was doing songs with Drake. Yeah. It was just an early thing and if they were if they were the kept it up like that company, we've been something different because that you know afrobeat is the thing right right now for sure. Yeah. Yeah, so and it's crazy. I mean because of the internet, you know music and content and just cultures is so if there's no borders, yeah afrobeat feels like reggae to me. It does Bob. It's a whole vibe like that. It's a similar type of I think so, you know, I think we all in a similar age group like mid-30s whatever grown up in New York City area like you couldn't go to like a party in the late 90s early 2000 when our hearing, you know, dancehall Sean Paul jump height is at his time when you're doing something. Then like I think it was a big era of like reggaeton waited a moment. And now I don't have to be as it happens. I think everybody this always likes on this this like African diaspora music that's technique taking over 2. Alpha beats having this thing right now all of them music. I mean, it has roots in Africa, of course, you know as far as the drums of course and you know, all of that stuff so, you know, it it's not surprising that it's Popular because it's always been popular just not it wasn't framed in that way. Right and so like you said, it sounds like reggae but really probably the reggae comes from that originally the you know, I'm saying so you don't like jazz and was fluid being because people out there Love reggae people out there love even Haitian music Wyclef is huge over there in Africa, like I go like, you know, I there's Wyclef Jean they might be the young. Yeah exactly. My you know, my in-laws are from Narrow being go over there and like I'll go and I'll listen to I'll be at a restaurant and then the server would have a Jamaican wristband how you been in Jamaica? Like, you know, I've been you know, I'm from I'm a Haitian about from Queens who like I've always been around you're making Stephanie you're making many times. And so I was like, oh we from in Jamaica like what are you doing here in Nairobi? And it like now I never been to Jamaica. I just love reggae culture, you know that the culture is huge. Right? And so yeah, it's kind of gone back. So definitely I do. Leave although reggae has African Roots. I think the half of Beats learn from reggae to yeah, for sure and even I mean, it's all cross because even if you go to Jamaica, you see a lot of flags from Ethiopia Ethiopia by you see a lot of jobs to the roster. So, you know, it's all connected for sure. So let me ask you this as far as the music scene because we know the music is blowing up three have record labels in Africa, or are those artists Inside to like American labels, so they have record labels, but most of the people that you see successful here are they have affiliations with u.s. Record labels and that's at that's what's helped quite a bit bad and time. It wasn't like that. But, you know actually individual that ran that division at the company I was at he left and went to Sony Music so like the What's up, y'all? So if you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you're probably like music just as much on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't need to premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and it's really easy to share. What you've been listening to with your friends on Instagram if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for Ernie Leisure on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us so you never miss an episode of Ernie Leisure again. Alright, so one of the things that everybody always comments or any time we post anything about Africa is like it will China's behind on try to do with China's involvement. Why not for me China and it's not just Africa is all over the world, right Jamaica. So heavy heavy influence from China has a heavy influence in Jamaica and they also have a heavy influence in Africa a lot of countries in Africa the continent they really have a John has been involved in Jamaica for a long time like the yeah Jamaican billionaire Mike Leach in yeah, he's happens have Chinese. Yeah, but me out the first time I really I ain't bleep. I saw somebody that was Chinese what he was talking in Jamaican accent right now. That's what a lot of people in Jamaica is very diverse country. Yeah, I mean my my my grandparents Jewish right? I mean so like when I heard somebody was doing both of your grandparents mom my grandfather. So when I when you see them on TV talk like my mom's last minute maiden name is tiwari, which is a Jewish Diamond company in Jamaica. So like when I was sold on TV is like bugs me out. I'm like wait, they don't look like us they sound just like as though right right say it's weird. Nice crazy. So, all right. Right. Can we talk about that China's influence in Africa China, obviously, you know, since they kind of you know, it still communist kind of but over the last whatever three four decades they've embraced capitalism and and it's been with the aggression the the level of wealth that's being created. There is immense let about trade is immense and with that they want to be a world player right and to be a world player you have to you know, put stakes in other places. And they see Africa as a place that has been ignored by your the Europeans the u.s. Etcetera and there's a lot of opportunity and the way they're doing it is because by using Financial Capital as well as human capital, right? So what did they there's a lot of there's a lack of infrastructure across the continent. So we're doing it going to countries and they're saying hey we'll build a new highway for you will build a new bridge for you will build a new Factory for you. But you know after we build it, you know, maybe we have to have exclusive rights to it. Maybe you know, when you do XY and z and so in doing that they're just building everything, you know, they're you know, they're having the opportunity to kind of stake their claim. And so they're going into it at least from the onset of as if they're helping which there's a level of it. But the way they're doing it a lot of people don't do it, right because what they do is they do not hire local people right they bring Own people to build every from China. Yep cheaper labor. Yeah cheaper labor is even people. I mean, I don't know if this is true or not now, but if people saying that they're taking prisoners from China and using a mess like labor into Africa, did they die that's that's that's I don't know the truth there that just look at there's a whole it there's a whole story on it on HBO Sports. They would they covered it right like pretty in detail. It was that was one of the rumors that they cover so right and you know, and you know, I think I don't want to I don't want to like feed into like the whole Africa and nepotism and Corruption story, but there's a lot of that there and so what they're doing is they're like, sometimes they grease in the Pakistani politicians and then politicians assign things off and and that's it. So and you have a role you have a bridge you have a something like that just a railroad built by Chinese hospital hospital and then, you know, then after that they have ownership or they could have ownership of some what they might do. Is it may do something where they offered they build it they'll for the financing and they do it at like maybe a userís interest rate to the point where the country can't pay it and then they're stuck with it. So, you know, there's a story in Kenya that I could go into if you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so can you recently you know, there's a port that is in there there Mombasa which is a huge Port City in Kenya where it was a port that was rebuilt a shipping Port was rebuilt by the Chinese and and parts. As part of the deal somehow they built it but they lent Canyons money to pay them for building it and then Canyons could not keep up with the interest rates and they took the port over but the what was said is it it's temporary but you know, you know things are not always met up with are going to make a tutor today. They built the airplay. They failed the airport out like the second largest airport in Jamaica and it's like on a Yearly that they owned it for 20 years and then they can buy it back at the 20-year Mark but probably something to eat up. Yeah, we definitely buy a bag so they probably just on the airport now, right but in their defense, I mean Africa has been the victim of like userís Financial transactions for a long time because you know, most Advocate got independent like the 60s into the 70s there have been multiple dictatorships and all type of stuff and when they had when they got independent Ain't these European powers that were involved just pulled out unique are they left us the countries in bad shape and the World Bank IMF came in and a lot of those loans were with caveats to we're not great for the countries. And so China's doing this do kind of kind of stepping into that role a little bit and to the country delay, at least these people are building our stuff. So like there's positives negatives to it like all things in life. So I'm being also like you said, I mean, it's the politicians The ones is actually have to sign off on it and I put a gun to anybody's head and taking the land over. So ultimately if they are taking over Africa, it's the politicians fault. Right? Right. You can't I mean, you know, they're going to do what's best for their country. Right any country would do America's done that foot generation. Right? Right. Every country would do that, but it's up to the country to say no or money's not good money. Right? Right right you got That country has to think long-term leaders, I think long term and that's not always the case and another reason why they love Africa is because they've been building so much in in China, they need materials for that and there's materials in Africa every every tear your soul. And you know, you can't do you can't do what they did and whatever let's let's let me do a deal with you. I'm going to go and build this school but his Hospital give you buses do whatever. And by the way like that mining over there like, you know, like I see can we get a cic belgians doing some stuff? They asked see some British. Like why don't you just like let us hold that ourselves because we are we really a friend. So yeah this that, you know, they're they're definitely being strategic about it. There's a gold content in for a reason, you know, I mean, so in terms of like Americans of African descent, what do you think long term as far as investments in the continent? Yeah. I think it's very very important for us to be involved. I think there's a lot of opportunity like we said on the side earlier, I think over 50% of the population in Africa is is under the age of 25. I think that's I believe that's a stat that Africa is one of the Africa and Asia, although only two continents where the population is growing like the US Europe Japan like these are places where people are having less on their children. So there's less and less people whereas in Africa is growing. So therefore I You have more talent and also more consumption. Obviously. This is a place where people of African descent. Whoever whoever they are. It is that it's more of an ass looked upon as an asset. Like it's it's not easy for us to just drop in Belgium or drop in Malaysia is just open up a business but like I'm not going to say I'm not saying it's easy in Nigeria or buts want to but it's easier right? And I think it's just important like, you know, we come from a country that continent originally everybody has a different story. Worried about how they ended up here. Right and it would be I think it's very important for us to like take take part in its Resurgence. You know, for sure. I seen a con he said that he encouraged All American black Americans specifically to go back to Africa and taking Talent like whatever talent you have whether it be real estate, whether it be manufacturing construction music whatever and established business there because he was like, you know, it's still a learning curve. Still learning and we might have the expertise to help out right and like you say, even if you've never been it's still a connection on certain levels boys got to be a connection for sure. So there was there was a I was speaking to a gentleman and I Lana stop and he does work in Africa and he was telling me some this might be true or not. If you can prove like through like your ancestry.com or something like that if there's any ties That kind of country in Africa like you can get dual citizenship with in like six months. Is that true or not? I think well, I think Ghana Anna was offering African Americans. I think they still are citizenship. Okay. It was like part of a campaign come home campaign that they were running. I'm pretty sure it down. It was doing that. I'm not going to any other country, but I know kind of specifically right was offering that and I think they still are offering that so shout the Ghana for sure we have to go back like we said that I'm gonna go or not go back inside never wear the hell. Yeah. We gotta go. We gotta do something else. Yes. No way that I saw on IG New Year's. I have a lot of celebrities a lot of On an aircraft to celebrate New Years. So yeah here let me talk about that all the time. He spends like the last two weeks of the year in South Africa, right? Yeah, South Africa is beautiful. Yeah. I want to go out to South Africa period no, it's so many different places in Africa. So yeah, we definitely got to touch you. Can we talk about the in pesos and pestle? Yeah. Yeah. Some pasta is m stands for mobile as lecture for mobile. Pasta is money in Swahili. And basically it's mobile money. And so, you know, obviously people people use mobile money a little over the globe in the US we use venmo use cash app, but not to the extent. They use it out there like the first real successful implementation of mobile money was in it was in Kenya and it's something that everybody uses. It's something that is it's actually that's from like 2008 like way back then people were using money to sex messages to each other and it's it's still considered the most successful implementation of mobile money. Like you these are people these are these, you know, we've always had Financial instruction infrastructure in the US you had bank accounts. You have credit cards Etc. These are individuals that didn't even have that but they were able to transact digitally using their phones. Yeah. I'm sorry cut you off. But yeah, I saw it on 60 Minutes. It was crazy because it was saying that like how successful it was and it was saying like, you know, especially in can't lot of the world Parts they can't get to it being even if there is a bank they can't get to it physically. Lee so like I forgot how much but a large populate large part of the populations are unbanked and have been conned never have bank accounts lat so now the mobile thing but everybody has a cell phone even if it's like a cheap cell phone but they still have a cell phone. So it made life tremendously easier when they develop that program because not everybody uses that grass so easy. You don't have to use it. But I think the guys like a billionaire who develop that yeah. Yeah, he's part of that but also it came together with a marriage between basically. So far come which is like their Verizon like their major cell phone provider and Equity Bank, which is a major bank. So it was as if you know, if I was to use a parallel in the u.s. It's as if Verizon and JP Morgan Chase came together and got along and they just they created this huge digital digital thing anyway, and because it's a it was Emerging Market had less infrastructure. You have fewer players. You have featured fewer regulatory hurdles, and it just came together seamlessly into go over. - though, that's not so what's your old parole outlook on the content? I know you've been there a lot and your family happy. I think your wife is from Kenya as well. And you worked in NBA and stuff like that on Africa. What should you optimistic? I'm optimistic. I think um similar to like crypto like, you know tread carefully like for instance if the people like from when I initially landed the work in Africa to now a lot of those currencies are down like 50 That right. So Dave Dave, you know, there was a time and I would say the, you know early 2010. So like doing tangent 2014 where all those currencies with boom in it was so much investment happening but there's a they've been a lot of like political unrest economies have not taken off to the level that they that people thought and so there's been a lot of there's been a bit of a pullback that being said that's good opportunity to put money in. I just want to put on My money in and also I would make sure that I think is very important for you to understand the local market. Right? So like for instance like you go to app out here in the US I'm being iPhone first because I'm over there Android is King right? You got to know what people are going through you have to know that you know one struggle we had as I all right? Well, we want people to stream movies or watch games on a cell phone and the u.s. My T-Mobile Gator plan is unlimited over there. People are prepaid and the infrastructure not even that strong soul. Streaming those megabytes and that to even watch a game. You could kill somebody's whole monthly allotment of watch one game is over. All right, so they're more likely to wait until they could get to Wi-Fi to download somewhere as we hear don't care. Right? So you have to make sure if you were to build a product for them. You have to take those things into account nice though. That's a gem event. Thank you for that information. And we appreciate it and we got to try. This is actually something that we want to try to do. For every every continent so we all have like this was a Africa addition will have a Europe addition. I have a South America or your different countries Caribbean Edition. Yeah the country's cause I feel like it's important a to acknowledge that the people all over the world and it's also important for once again for Americans the vast majority of our listeners are Americans, but you gotta expand your mind. You guys see the world for what it is. You guys see bigger than just your neighborhood in your city is itself a lot of times we get so bogged down. Not need to take life that we don't see past our 10-mile radius or even two mile radius like we just worry about where we're at, but the world moves quick and and you know business is done all over the world and just people you know, it's good to experience different cultures and know what's going on outside of you just your neighborhood so we could be that window of the world and bring people that are knowledgeable about, you know, different areas in the world and actually travel to those places as well. That's one thing we're going to do. Do we want all right now hitting different cities in America, but we can eventually going to go overseas as well. We're going to go to these places and actually talk to people in notes actual countries as well. Hopefully we can bring some alumni with us. Yeah. Now you have any well, I'm not now y'all so once again if you got any opportunity speaking engagements and feel free to hit us up email us is the best but email DMS. We open it to traveling domestically and internationally we going to be on a college tour this fall. We got hit a couple of colleges we've been It's in a pretty soon. So yeah we go and try to spread the word of financial literacy and education all over the world every language every population. As I said, if I it's not something that's just limited to two one communities, but every every Community World mankind, that's that's the kind of vision out that we looking at all over the world. So once again, thank you. Can you tell the people your information how to reach you? Yeah now thank you for having me is fun. I you find me on Twitter as well as IG it's Fritz chain. So F RI t zc h a iin my name Fritz Charles on LinkedIn you can add me and that's it. Yeah, I'm always my you know, my dreams open. 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So I'm looking forward to going to Houston for sure and then we're probably through DMV Philly to but if you want us to come to your City and Chicago, we kind of on the cusp with that a lot of people behind us about Chicago, but let us know let us know where you were we need to go and the purpose of these networking events just to bring people. Together and to meet new people and meet us meet some of the ey alumni but more importantly me people in your city exchange information discuss business ideas. You never know who your next business partner might be never know who you can make money with buy a home went through different things of that nature. So relationships are very important and a lot of times we don't fully understand that so that's the whole point of these Network meet and greets that we're doing and my book tip of the week is how it French is the author And the name of the book is China's second continent. It's about Africa China's influence in Africa fitting since we talked about that. So that's a good book highly suggested recommend it. So, yes. Thank you guys for rocking with us, and we will see you next week, please please please.

In episode 29 we spoke with international business expert Fritz Charles about Africa. Fritz graduated from the top business school in the world (Wharton at UPenn), he worked as a trader for the infamous Wall Street investment bank Lehman Brothers when he was 22. After Lehman went bankrupt he worked for the NBA where he spearheaded NBATV in Africa. After that, he became the head of growth for iROKOtv which is known as the Netflix of Africa. We covered the importance of people of Investing and being connected to Africa, Kenya’s mobile banking success story, the NBA’s new African league, Afro Beats, Nigeria’s film industry, and China’s economic influence on the continent. Guest IG: @fritzchain Book Tip: China’s Second Continent --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app · Talk Money With Mesh Lakhani Podcast: On The Talk Money with Mesh Lakhani podcast, Mesh will follow paper trails, chat with experts, and break down complex ideas to bring clarity to the mystical financial phenomena behind your finances.

Bello fiends welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle me. Let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another mini episode of Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm John I'm Kim and welcome to an emotionally charged Studio where Kim and I have been arguing for half an hour. You see I knew this week and a heavy how it started. We recorded a mini episode for patreon a little bonus episode where we're going to play a fun little game. You know. What no, we're going to play a game a very serious game that I put together that you can hear. This week as a companion to the upcoming episode where we talked about to crazy movies featuring cold-blooded Killers will get to it in a minute but a revelation came out and that's that Kim is spiteful Twitter poll maker. Oh, okay. So we were arguing about whether or not movies should be fun and I think and wait because we have to you you were the one that specified that we have to Define what fun is I think the question needs to be more elaborate. I think that's the problem like Twitter Bowl movies can be more than fun. Okay. So we're going to jump the gun a little bit on this mini episode. Normally what we do is we give you a little bit of a horror news or updates and then at the end of the show, we tell you what films will be talking about next week in the full-length episode, but I think in order to understand this book, Argument that we are having you need to know the films that started it off. Yes, and we have been fighting about these two movies and what they represent and we next week in a month long discussion of cold-blooded Killers here at nightmare in film Street and NFS podcast.com will be talking about William lustig's maniac and John McNaughton's Henry portrait of a serial killer to very gritty grimy. Grimy movies of a time about two people that are not supposed to be likeable whatsoever that you would never classify as fun characters and man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry mustard. I'm getting riled up. But like I just before you go you go down your rabbit hole. Let's just do a little updates. Okay? Yeah. I put a poll out 28 minutes ago asking the simple question. Yes. Should movies be fun? Yeah, we are at 324 votes 86 percent say yes 14 percent say no. Yeah. So, you know apologies. If you are a patriot subscriber and you are going to hear this argument twice and you're going to get it backwards. You're going to get less votes. Yeah. That is very true. This is Gonna Roll that is very strange and it's a very small small difference, but I do think the question should have I've been rephrased as do movies have to be fun as a subtle Jerome goddamn. No, it's not going to hit now like come on. I'm gonna be a cover song to your pole. If I do that. I'm not saying that movies have to be fun because I as we'll get into next week. I appreciate these movies. Hmm But I do not need to revisit them because movies should be fun now because they think what you're saying is movies should be rewatchable or movies should be enjoyable and you know, I don't want to backslide. No I'm saying movies have to be enjoyable. This should be to exist like to exist movies have to be enjoyable. Sorry, I've lost my point now something something something. Yeah, you have to enjoy movies when you watch them. Otherwise, they they're not they don't belong on your shelf. You don't you don't need to spend money on them because you're not going to revisit them because they're not a fun experience movies are escapism. We need to escape into something. Well, that's an interesting thing to say for somebody who has a horror movie podcast. To tldr all of this eventually is that when we start talking about movies like this. My only line of defense is to talk about them as art and I don't think art needs to be enjoyable. I think films are art and especially movies like this and I think movies are supposed to make you feel something and I think all good art should if I am watching like if I'm just watching a dumb comedy like we've We watched the so then you're agreeing with me that they're not the movies should be fun. And no I don't you re classifying the movies that you think are gritty and grimy and aren't fun into art. So you are you're agreeing with me essentially not see the connection that you just reclassified. Your movie is Art I and you wouldn't even call it a movie you said film. So essentially with the stems from is my over appreciation of movies like Maniac and movies like Henry portrait of a serial killer and my inability to watch the multiple times. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It surprised me the discussion that we had regarding both these movies and I'm very interested to hear your takes on on how we handled that but also just like what you think of these movies especially Maniac like I think you Henry portrait of a serial killer is pretty respected and I think it's easy to respect that movie because of how its presented Maniacs sort of treads in Into that exploitation era it sorry like that exploitation Arena not just as exploitation film but exploitive of its content like you could just look at it and say this is just 60 Minutes of a guy killing people for no reason and then maybe 30 minutes of character development. I disagree, but I can understand that argument and I look at them both as art and I don't think they are fun movies and I don't think they have to be fun and I'm Gonna Leave it I believe it. Leave it still sounds like reclassifying me in other news. Yep. We're nearing the end of 2019. So, of course we're working on our list trying to figure out what were our favorite movies of the year. And we've been trying to re-watch all those movies that got released that we missed or Festival movies that we missed. Are there any underrated picks that you want to talk about that we watch this week because we've watched a ton of movies underrated picks. I got one. Well, there's one greener grass. I'm so glad you brought it up. I'm so glad you brought it up. This is not a horror movie whatsoever. But it is definitely for fans of it can only be lumped under genre because it is such an odd bird movie. Oh, yeah, if you've seen the greasy Strangler anything like that crazy absurd Beverly love Lynn, what's an evening with Beverly Laughlin same directory? Of course. Yeah or Tim and Eric like the the weird like you you do not have any idea where this movie's going. I've seen a lot of people Describing it as like a John Waters film, which is sure like it's got like that weird Suburbia is Suburbia surrealism kind of stuff but it's not it's not quite a John Waters film. It is definitely the best comedy the of the year and it's so odd like so strange. Yeah. It's so hard to try and describe to it doesn't make any sense. I shouldn't say that it it is. So unlike the world we live in and I laughed harder at At this than I have it anything in the last I don't know five years. It wasn't it was insane this we blew my mind premise wise though. It's like like Suburban one-upmanship sort of shown through two families and like the like the inciting incident is a woman giving her baby to her best friend because her baby she said she liked her baby. Like, you know, you'd see somebody with a kid like, oh, it's so cute. I can't wait to have one of my own kind of conversation and she just Gives her her kid and that's where that we takes off. Another one. We watched was villains with Bill Skarsgard and Michael Monroe. They're a young couple who are on the lam and they happened upon this house where there's an even weirder couple living inside its kind of a crime movie Very isolated for character drama super fun. Super quirky. I gotta sleep can't even say what it's like, yeah. It's an interesting movie. Unfortunately, like I think it needed a bigger cast for me to really explore the villains quote unquote in the movie like by having a limited cast like you do get a lot of tension and they ratchet it up in a few scenes with something, you know, some extra suspense about whether or not they're going to get caught or get away or killed but I mean there are protagonists so halfway through the movie. I'm pretty sure they're safe. But if there were some, you know extra characters there that don't necessarily need to be alive at the end of the movie. Maybe I would learn Or yeah about the maybe I would learn more about the villains of this movie and like they're in their weird quirks because we are hinted at a lot of interesting psychology boy. So I mean one of the other things we cut up on the Are You Afraid of the Dark miniseries, which for some reason John put on in the wrong order my fault like the cable provider who had it on demands and episode 1 episode 2 episode 3 and the episode 2 Beginning of episode 2 the I was like mmmm. We skipped a lot this feels like episode 3, but here's like hear me out. It was 1:30 in the morning the characters. One of the characters had not had their memory wiped, but everybody else had and I was like, no. No, I think this is just a weird artistic Choice and then like we would get occasional flash back. So my Okay cool. So we're filling in the gaps. It's like we're with these characters and were as confused as they are and then like the finale came is super creative take yeah. I was really enjoying it and then like the villain Was Defeated. I was like damn psyllium end of episode two. I can't wait to see what its gonna be like when they really defeat him next episode. No, we just watched it in the wrong order. Sure did it was a lot of it was good though. Like the opening was great. The first episode was wonderful. Yeah. It was a great set up to the Midnight Society and all that fun stuff. Hmm. Also those kids have back seals like I am about their dedication need some wax you they were filming a movie they had Add a video Village. What are you talking about? Where did they get that budget? And I guess laughs like me there's a bunch of movies. We've been watching this week whole time. We've been averaging them two or three movies a day and we watch the Nightingale which was really cool. No not fun. See it's a Revenge movie and you know, you really got to earn your revenge in Revenge movies at oh God. Does this woman is like a Revenge Road Trip movie everybody miss my revenge movies our road trip movie. They kind of are cuz you gotta you gotta get on the trail. You gotta hunt them bastards down. Yeah. We also watched climax me for the first time John had already seen it. Yep, the gas porno movie, which I don't know why I miss it. I think the schedule just didn't align Festival wise I really liked it. Yeah, I think maybe one of my favorite of his movies. Agreed. Yeah, I liked I liked a lot more second time around it was a felt like a much faster Movie on the second watch and also seeing in the theater was sensory overload. So something somebody tweeted at me that I haven't verified yet. But I'm going to tell you is fact right now sure apparently the first half hour of the film. He has an audio overlay in there. That's like under 25 Hertz or something like the earthquake sound the first 25. I think it's First 25 because I would expect it to be in the second half because the exq you can't hear it. But you feel it. Yeah induces dress. I think it's during the dancing though. Like your there's this feeling of impending doom and apparently like in some of the screenings like people were like throwing up and getting dizzy leaving and well, I mean like the his camera work. Yeah, I can see. Yeah, but I mean if you're adding actual like 50 logical elements like I thought that was pretty fun. That is really cool. Hopefully, it's true. I haven't verified it obviously, so of course not You don't need to be the internet like of course, it's true. So as we mentioned next week, we will have a full-length episode out. Please enjoy this bonus mini episode. If you know if you are celebrating American Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy your eight days off and Joe Black Friday. Hopefully you don't leave your house and you just do your shopping online. Yeah. If you have to get anything word on the street is that the deal is actually aren't that good anymore unless Shopping at Severn or vinegar syndrome online where things are basically 50% off their entire catalog. So are you saying that we're shopping sweet? We think we should there's a special edition of taming the T-Rex that I think everybody needs to pick up. I feel that yeah 1201 the Eastern Standard time tonight when this podcast drops as when you can buy yourself a copy of Tammy and a T-Rex. So do you want one one last poll update? Sure. Okay, before we go. Oh, hang on. I'm right Twitter account. Okay, hot take somebody says the Star Wars prequels are pretty fun. Okay, I think all of those movies are fun relevant. 402 votes should movies be fun eighty-seven percent say yes hate to tell you though, but I read through. Okay, cool. That's fine. I'll take it there Timber sensing whatever 33 comments basically saying fun is subjective. Yeah. There's also a lot of people in there like talking about specific movies and like they are people that I communicate with We're all the time and it's just like I know the kinds of movies you like and they're not fun movies. So I think we are maybe confusing. I enjoyed it for fun because I would not call Maniac fun. I really enjoy it though anyway. I feel like this is just a poll that John and I cannot so it's an episode that you and I can agree on. I don't know if I've ever told you guys this story and I know we're outgrowing but I gotten one more thing. I want to talk about. Maybe I'll tell him I can't play Pictionary anymore God. It's so badass. I am actually quite good at Pictionary. John is just the worst guesser in the world know my stuff could be framed in the Louvre. No, you know, here's the thing, don't you? No dignity. You and your see it I can't draw but I can guess no Kendra can't guess John can not guess nor can he draw? We have a box of Pictionary downstairs that we keep the old pictures and we write the answer on so that way when friends come over we can fight again in front of them. Just like can you see there's a voicemail machine right exactly. Of course, you think she got it? Mmm, no, and that's that's Is how it goes so we just don't play Pictionary. We just we know that we that's not a and so are you I'm going to take this as another Pictionary we can no longer talk about movies. That aren't fun. Oh, well, I quit the puck. That's that's not happening. I'm looking ahead at the schedule of some of these episodes that we have scheduled. We have a lot of movies that I would not call fun, but are highly enjoyable and I think will spark some good discussion kind of like Maria and Maniac did by the way, there's something about Maniac didn't get to talk about the podcast that I really wanted to bring up now which, you know seems like a seems like a jerk move given the last half hour of conversation, but you know in my mind this afternoon, oh, what a great thing and something to talk about something just nice and oh, that's so starts and fresh talk about those movies we watched and then I'll bring up this little thing that I forgot to mention. I really like the tagline for Maniac. I'm Sure, you've seen the poster if you're unfamiliar with it. It is essentially just like photo of a man's legs. It's from the belt buckle down. We can see that he's holding a scalp and in the other hand, he has a knife there's blood everywhere and in blood is written. I warned you not to go out tonight. I love that tagline because yeah well, so do you like that tag? Why do guys do you locate do you like that? Do you like that tag line? Because it's creepy or because it talks to you about the movie. I think the tagline is better having seen the movie exactly and I think that is maybe you know part of the problem with like 80s film critics like Gene Siskel that they walked out of the movie. They didn't give it the time of day and and also it's kind of interesting to in that sort of 80s victim-blaming called thank you. That's this is exactly what I'm getting at and especially from the perspective of who he is. Yeah, but you went out tonight. Yeah, I sent a Letter to the cops. I said don't go out. If you're if you're outside, I'm gonna kill this type of person and you know your route so it's your fault that I'm killing you that is a crazy persons rationale and is not the right way to look at the world and you see a pop up all the time and it's used to justify terrible acts. Right but and like he does say that in the movie like he while he's killing people. He basically does say that but it's because it speaks to His psyche as this character he is he is specifically talking about his mother who left him and he was always upset that she would leave him alone and like you could have any number of stories about a kid whose mother left him all the time and he grew up to be the world's greatest playwright, you know, just like because of this darkness that exists in his heart from abandonment and well, yeah, you also have to be abandoned by your mother and you have to hit your head. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is the two things if you were born Post-world War II had your head hit and Dad wasn't around and neither neither was mom like chances. Are you killed a bunch of people but yeah, so in nature nurture and head injury. Basically you need that. That's the secret ingredient to a cold-blooded serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. And so so that tagline to me is also just kind of people would dismiss that movie immediately based on the tagline based on the poster. But if they saw it's like, oh wow, there is Rich character development here the way I would see in a regular film and It's leave me my regular film like something that you wouldn't have to go to a grade. I tap the pole in a fun movie. You've seen it in a fun movie. Yeah. Okay. Sure. I'm sorry. I definitely walked into that. The rest of the year is gonna go I guarantee. Oh boy, so we'll be talking more about maniac and Henry portrait of a serial killer next Thursday on the full-length edition of the podcast believe it or not. This is the short Sewed yep, you can get that in your feed next Thursday. We're on Spotify Apple podcast, wherever you're grabbing this if you want to support the show check us out on patreon at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film street. We have tons of bonus episodes. We are also sending out Krampus cards for Christmas time. You just need to be a patron as of December 12 to get a crimp and also Christmas. Oh God to get a cramp as card and you can find us on social media. Of course at an office podcast on Twitter or on Facebook or Instagram? But until next week, I'm John Kim. Stay creepy. It appears. You made it out alive just long enough to tell the tale of The Nightmare on film Street. Wow, help us grow The Horde leave a review on iTunes or wherever you subscribe continue. This week's conversation. Station on Twitter by following and in ofs podcast and as always more terror can be found lurking on our website www.marriageguy.com film Street podcast.com until next week. 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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now let the finale. Oh my God. Yeah, we got it. We got the air gun. Let's just do a little bit just to get against Beyond this illusion. Okay. All right. Hi. We got it. You guys welcome to the Outer Banks. Supernatural finale we are talking season 14 episode 20 Mariah season finale of Supernatural. Can you believe we made it here? No, how do we do it 14 years you guys, this is crazy. My name is Lindsay Wagner. I'm so excited to chat with you guys all about the show tonight and I am joined by my amazing co-host everybody introduce yourself. Hello guys, I'm Brendan Haley. This is Cherry. I love all of you happy Supernatural Thursday, and we're going to talk all about this finale. There are some major spoilers. I just don't want to give away and I know you guys know what they are. But I'm just going to tease you for just a little while longer before we get to that we got Jack out of the box. We've got a soulless Jack running around telling people to stop lying and what kind of chaos this is going to come and we've also got huh three prizes you guys we got a Sam Funko. We've got a trading card and the found some face known as the British men of letters. We've got off the cashier. He's waiting to go home with one of you. I mean that in the best way possible how many of you have waiting for this moment, but he's like, hey you guys tell me your initial thoughts for tonight's episode, um without revealing too much. Bonkers, I so many words to describe things that happened and I'm not I wasn't ready for a lot of things that happened. Most of all I loved it so much of the episode was a tribute to previous episodes in previous seasons, one moment in particular, but we'll get into that later. What about you Terry? It was a fan o snap right ages. What? Whoa, why is every fandom ending this week? Well, maybe supernatural has another 60. Yeah, we have another year but like it was it was a thin. Oh snap, its Infamous all the snaps just throw out the whole episode like single snaps. I feel like I my life. I'm just going to snap my fingers. I'm going to have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or oh, there it is. Well, you might not be able to do peanut butter and jelly sandwich, but you guys the viewers of AfterBuzz TV can snap and you can watch all of these shows. We have a buffet of entertainment that you guys can watch. We ask that if you guys are watching us right now on YouTube. Please comment and subscribe. If you chat if you leave us a comment in our live chat Will shout you out. And if you are on iTunes, give us some five stars. So see you around guys. Love us. We love you. I don't know we do. We love you guys so much and I actually went and read the iTunes comments from you know, the last couple years, and there's so many fans of this show, and I'm not talking about our aftershow. We know that you guys are fans of our aftershow, but there's just so many fans out there of Supernatural and thank you for leaving us the comments. Thank you. For rating us five stars. Thank you for being on the YouTube chat. We appreciate you guys so much and when we have to take a break from seeing each other for a few months, it's it's like a little heart little little surprise. So let's get into this episode so that we can start rebuilding all the spoilers to you guys. If you haven't seen the episode just yet. Jack is out of the box and you know what? I just put two and two together now he's mad but they lied to him. Yeah, I've been watching it. What do you think originally know I realized he was mad that they lied to him, but I didn't realize why he was mad that everyone was lying to everyone. Wow just clicked now. That's why he wants people to stop lying. Just once truth honesty is always the best policy. Yeah, I do agree with that except for that yogurt man. Don't be still my yogurt feel that work. Well, okay, we'll get more we're going to get more into that the lying and what people think of people that lie and how it helps the world and not helps the world. So Jack is gone. He is off on his own and we know that Sam and Dean need to go after him and cast really truly believes that he is able to be saved and helped. Where do you guys stand in this? Do you think that Jack can learn and grow and move on from this or do you think that we need to put a stop to Jack? He doesn't have a soul anymore. So I don't even know if that's possible. But he does show multiple times in this episode his willingness and his want to to learn and to change and to be a better person. But at the same time he also says he can't feel anything. So it was kind of up in the air. I don't know how to accurately describe it. Well you put a sociopath and a box of are not doing anything bad. They're just sociopath and he's trying to do good. He's not purposely hurting people. Doesn't know the strength of his own power and time and time again nurture nurture nurture being around the boys being around cast Joel has given him a path but sometimes he slips off the path, but don't we all especially when we were younger so learning ourselves. So wait a second. He's a sociopath he's a sociopath but like a sociopath he doesn't have a motion don't we've got a lot of people that should be in facilities and watched over and cared for every day and nurtured. In that way, but you're just going to let some random run around and snap his fingers and end things. Well, here's the think he's still a kid and so much of his Arc. He just Lost Innocence. He just he's at that age that everyone goes through where you learn that people aren't as nice as they make out to be and some and like he's still learning that the world doesn't revolve around you and so he shouldn't be by himself. I mean I Allow a 12 or 16 year old to be running around the world by themselves and he needs someone with him all the time to teach him right and wrong and to choose the right path. Even if he doesn't have a soul he can still choose to do the nice thing. It's just that he's so young. He listens to whoever happens to be in his ear. Okay. You said coming to age Age of Innocence you guys Adam got tempted or Eve got tempted by the snake. Age of Innocence taking away everything the snake shall live on its belly the rest of its life to punish it and now their sin was created. He killed the snake. Oh my God. Oh my God Lin zi, right. That's what when you said that my I just dropped my mouth because I was like it fall. It's okay. You're right. Am I I'm not that you guys please tell me right now in the Jack. Are you watching this video later on please tell me that this is just not just brand new information to me over feeling and it just clicked. I have a feeling that this is premeditated because that sounds almost too eerily perfect for the There's not to take off until they absolutely yeah, I just that's fine. Now that's brilliant. I've got chills all over my body is very clever way to go girl way to go. No that was with your guys's help like we're sitting here dissecting it just like you guys are harmonic. We're all a team. You're figuring figuring out this life together. We are here for you. We still like Jack a lot and yeah Scrappy's moms. Doesn't a chat. Let Jack save the world then reveal that Jack was being in percent by sister. I personally think Chuck wasn't Chuck. It was someone else see I think it's more of an interesting or something. So there we go. That's the big reveal. Wait what tick the it very damn it. Sorry gosh darn it to heck. So earn it Chuck darn it. We're going to come back to Sam and Dean a little bit later cry. He wants to go Crowley cast wants to go to hell a demon stops and said he and cast as he wants more time to study the cage and all of a sudden Chuck shows up. We knew it was coming. We knew was coming everybody thought at the beginning, you know, the season like we have to have the return of Chuck. He has to be here. He has to be coming back. How is he here will cast called him and he says that Jack is actually a problem now. That's an interesting thought if you think Chuck was being impersonated by By the darkness or the empty or something else you that's what you think because I am we'll get into more of why we think that but I don't he's not acting like the Chuck that we've known for like 14 years and I don't understand where Amara is they were like, she's in Reno playing Keno. No, she's in Reno playing Keno that is not like they are more. I know the more I know would have been like we're up in a pond are Winchester boys, okay. Oh, that's weird. What is Reverend? I see I'm on the other side of that Spectrum. I really like the twist of having. I mean, it's the god being a big bad. I think it's it drives more of an interesting narrative. I think now we're going to see some very dramatic changes in our cast and in our characters and I kind of love the stakes that gives the story. So I'm 100% on this train. That's really Ali Chuck so Philly writer 807 in the chat says the first episode Chuck was in was called monster at the end of the book. Oh, wow. It's always been could that be a spoiler for Shadows for at the end of the book that is a juicy tidbit of information and great spot Philly Philly 807. Thank you. Thank you. So Sam and Dean know this is a problem. Jack is off trying to figure his life out and as he's walking around he realizes all these voices here. He's hearing people are just lying left and right so he‰Ùs out to stop lying and this kind of changes. The world as we know it before we can even see that he goes and visits Kelly's parents who he's seen before but he kind of gave them a little story about how he was, you know, a co-worker blah blah blah all that stuff. You guys know we saw it happen and she didn't believe any of it because she's like you lied to us. We think how we might even be dead and he leaves because he doesn't even want to at first I was worried that he had killed her. Well, I like it that they sucked us out the same way with men. Mary but he didn't he was able to walk away this time, which I think is big for him. He was actually able to walk away from that emotion and feeling of being yelled at and her acting yes kudos to you Mama of Kelly. She did she did great. So the boys go to kind of figure out what's happening in the go to this facial recognition place to figure out where Jack is and realize nobody can lie. You know Sam can't even admit the fact that he thinks that Elvis is the greatest greatest singer because Celine Dion is the greatest singer. I'm just going to say right now Celine Dion is an icon if y'all are hating on her y'all need to change your life. She's Canadian. So they call it the Canadian to know I love that. I know I know I know I'm just like oh, yeah, she's awesome. She's great. She's a talented. She you're right. She's all coming back to me now and In can't even lie and say he's like ass fake badge looking for the devil son can't even just go in there and be cool. He admits all this stuff and we find out that even every as chaos mass chaos erupts in this office, even the president has made a deal with the devil named Crowley. I was dying. I was dying at that face. That was so good. Such a little nod and I love hearing any time I can hear about Crowley. I like love that and I know you said that you want Him to return in season 15. I mean I have thoughts of we'll get into that a little bit later because it ties into stuff. We haven't talked about yet. Okay great because I would love to see him back to so Chuck is back Chuck and gas arrived at the facial recognition place and Sam indeed want answers. We all want answers. Where have you been the world is going to the crapper. We're fighting all these things are friends are dying. The people that we care about and love are dying. Where the heck have you been I also Like they were taking out their own personal anger at him being like why do we have to do all this? Why do we have to clean up your dirty? Well, yeah, basically I think that's such an honest personal moment for each of them as both characters and actors because like who would want the job that the Winchesters have it's not pretty it's not fun at all. What do you think Cherry? I thought it was a really interesting when a they forgot who Chuck is and he was rolling up on. Him and he's like, I'm God so loved me and it's true. Like when you really think about it God is all-knowing. He openly admits that he likes to watch them. So he sees crap going on and he's like I'm hands off but that is a point though that God does not interfere. I mean, this is what we read those kind of final as Catholics. God does not interfere at the end of the day. You just have to be a good person and this is why I always say like I never push my religion on anyone. I think if you're a good person just be a good person. That's it. Does it matter like you believe in some higher power or whatever it is you believe in aliens or science or whatever you want to believe in? Yeah, whatever helps you get the yeah, but just be a good kind human to other people because when you do that, it just does have a trickle-down effect and I'm not saying that there is an evil in the world, but my gosh if God had it interfere any time someone was evil the guy I'd be exhausted. Well, so people wouldn't learn know you my friend learn from your mistakes. Like Jack for example, he the reason why I was so moved by his visit to his grandparents was we thought he killed someone we thought he killed his grandmother because that's what we were set up to believe from Mary and he didn't because he learned he learned his from his mistakes which made him a better person in this episode, even though he doesn't have a soul. I didn't can't feel it. And he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. He's still new wait this hurt somebody else so I shouldn't do this again. He's learning and he's also learning to better control his powers. I think that's a really important thing because when he killed Mary, it wasn't like he thought himself want you to die. It was just like this instantaneous feeling the way we all do like sure squash a bug you don't think anything of it and his he may not have regular empathy, but he still I think Phil's something even though he doesn't have a soul or here's a tiny sliver of her soul. I still think he feels something even if it's because he's mirroring what other people are doing. I mean, I think that if I think if Jack could spend more time learning this and maybe under Casas guidance, it would help him at the same time. I think Cass also just wants to hide out and that's not going to work because he has to think about it when you go through a breakup or something. Hopefully at the end of the day you learn something from it and it's not just okay well on to the next because you need to either figure out what what you can do to better yourself for the Next person or hey, I learned this that I can be taken care of or somebody will actually treat me with respect and kindness and you go I'm not going to settle for someone that doesn't make me a priority or on the list even so he's got to learn it himself. He can't just be hidden under cast as Wing off in some cave trying to get through life because that's not going to make him better or grow. Yeah, he needs guidance. So he needs Cassio to guide him. He's Castillo. Nice. Observe Sam and Dean and the other humans to see sort of like oh Youmans can be heard. Oh this happens poke it with a stick what you guys think about Chuck saying lying is what Writers Do and people need to lie because we need to keep the peace. There was a lot of talk about lying. I'm just going to correct it right now. Okay, when you're a writer, you're a Storyteller. It's it's not like it's not like In necessarily but to someone like Jack I guess you could perceive it as lying. Whereas keeping the peace. Maybe that was a little questionable. Well think about it your girlfriend tries on a dress. It doesn't look very good on her. Do you say yeah wear that dress. That's great or do you say let's show me something else. What else do you have in your closet? I want to see what else you have because I'm a type of person. I don't want to be mean and say oh no, no. No, I'm always like 100% unscrupulously honest with your okay because it I feel like if you're honest completely then there's not going to be any drama. You're not going to get into situations. You don't want to be in and even if it hurts, sometimes you're going to grow from it. No diplomacy. You can say something nicely. You can say something not nicely. You can say you look like a fat ass cow in that outfit. No can say oh my gosh. What an interesting color I love that color different shape on the end. We can say the nice way but sing like now you don't need to Laurels. Don't bring out your eyes the right way, but maybe Stripes. Well, here's the problem though. People can't handle the truth. Most people can't so this girl that's rocking on the floor saying I just want someone to love me. That's Me Maybe the truth. Is it the truth that all maybe the truth isn't the truth at all? All I mean, I just heard it from God and are you serious? That's our engineer Stephen. Thank you Steve. Maybe the truth isn't the truth. And so that's why I say I do think that. A small sense of lying is needed to keep the peace. Yes. I really wish we had like cute up the more, you know to just fly right now the parents so I'm the child. Oh my God, you blessed human God. I love you Stephens best Visionary. However, when you overheard all the conversations not just in the Mirror Universe, but also wouldn't He was walking by people and they were telling lies. He didn't have the maturity to know. These are white. He'll break. Yeah you I'm sorry to parents talking to their kids about them getting divorced. This has nothing to do with you. We love you so much. You're the biggest important person in our life. This is something everything to do with us and we want to work through it one inside there thinking I hate the other person. I'm sitting here talking to but I have to pretend to like that doesn't help the kid hearing. I hate your father. All right your mother he just snaps his Is everyone's telling the truth? And then they're just like you are the reason we are getting we tried to have you and you know, what we ended up hating Our Lives because we had like is that really like no, that's not help anyone and we love you don't think that we want you here everybody you're meant to be here. Everyone is meant to be here in this place right now. This is this is where we're all intended to be. Yeah, so I do think a little lying is maliciously lying is not what we will not okay? Yeah. Yeah, diplomatic lying is diplomatic diplomacy like Playa Des says the queen know what would I said? The Queen of England is indeed a lizard, which was hilarious fly. Yeah, I know stapler but I am a gelling pin person. So if you put it down you're taking the jelly past - I supposed to do not take it not right. So All right. When an apocalypse AKA Jack happens Chuck needs to step in and you know cast asks if Chuck and fix everyone lying we get a snap of the fingers Everything Has Changed Dean is able to say Celine Dion rocks because we all know she does he does not think so so he can lie. Again. We know it's real there. Everything's back to normal Chuck transports them to the bunker where there's a gun sitting on the table. He calls this The Equalizer the Hammurabi it work. Works by shooting it at your target. So I'm appointing you guys shooting it at your Target and then the wavelength comes back to you. So whatever you're doing is going to come back to you. So if you shoot the target AKA Jack, you will also be sacrificing yourself, which is such an odd plot point to set up for your main characters, especially if you are God, but weren't you all just hoping that cast would know? Yeah. Sam or Dean or Cass? Well, here's I didn't hope anyone would do it but in the back of my head I was like, okay. So this is what this is the rule that we're given Dean's gonna try and do it. Sam's going to talk him out of it and then heroically me she was going to pick up the gun and and that's that's the end know what I heard was God just wanting this to be an interesting Cliffhanger for the season finale. She said you guys are my favorites amandine and all the multi. I was like wait what that's not definitely sound like a compliment that's like saying you're cuter than Jam but less prettier than Bobby it definitely seems like he's toying with them and playing with them. It feels like he's got like a little marionette on the strings. The boys are trying to deal with all this stuff as we were talking earlier saying you've set up this whole thing for us to keep fighting and doing all this. This isn't a fun job, but you're literally thinking this is Adjusting to and this is the best show you can watch there's all these other universes happening where there's no yellow or a place all filled with squirrels personally. I want to watch that one personally. I want to let Rutherford run around there. He loves squirrels. So you just have playtime non-stop, you know, so I want to see the specifically I want to watch an episode of Supernatural from that Universe where they're just like please writers make one of an alternate universe that we get to see just for one episode that Sam and Dean get to see and realized wow ours is so much fun. Being in a world of just yellow or squirrels, but it could happen. We turned into squirrels right now. It could happen. So God can't die. Someone has to choose and I love the cast mentioned throwing Jack in the cage or by name because that's what I thought. What about Adam in the cage? And then together we figure that out then because I know all of you been going. It's not fair to keep Adam down there in the cage and not let him out. He needs to be able to come out Adam Adam Adam and Eve. Adam and Jack is Eve and the snake and two guys. I'm just mind blowing rain mind is you are and us it's on like so long. Wow. Okay, you know what here and here's another thing Chuck like the old death better hates. Billy Billy keeps messing stuff up and she goes where she doesn't belong and there is no other way according to God there is no other way. So get on board allegedly It's Supernatural. I have to say I think the gun didn't work the way he said it worked. I think the gun was just like a little plot throw away. And what he was really going to do is just snap it anyway he knew that this would happen. I would come down to this. I don't know. I mean, well God has our lives planned out according to the Catholic religion and according to the books. Hmm. He wanted them to like keep interesting through the book and I think what I meant to say is when you shoot the gun the gun wouldn't kill you. He was going to kill them. The gun didn't really work. The gun was just you know, plot point of visual interest for hmm sound effects and zingers, you know, I loved we all knew that Dean was going to offer himself up and Sam is going to fight for him staying and he feels like he's already lost his mom. He's losing Jack. He's lost too much. You can't lose Dean to I mean, that's just too much family gone fam would just I think wither away into nothing. I know he'd be so much. Yeah, so and he's so just emotionally like invested in connected and sensitive that losing all these people is just just would depress him and we don't want to see completely depressed Sam for a whole season and I love that Sam calls out Chuck AKA God for being scared of Jack. Yes, I noticed that Terry. Yes, you love it. I was like what's going on with God? He's most powerful creature in the world. Even if you upgrade it Jack in heaven. She wasn't the real God. She was just like choosing an arcade. Oh, she was just an angel taken in charge. There's no way God couldn't take him over. I think God was playing them as part of his plot. Vice watching his favorite show and he was kind of bored watching the squirrel. These guests are yellow. Yeah. He's just chilling hanging out. Now. We know why I'm Ari doesn't like him which is a good point as to do. We really think that Mara's in Reno are Amara is in Reno playing Keno, but was it enough or did they get the spin-off show or did they get into a fight? And is she part of the empty? I think she would have just taken off. She wouldn't like it. There's stuff on her own strong doing things. Yeah, and she's going to come back and fight against God to help save the boys because she loves Dean just left and I mean Sam is just mad at Chuck for literally leaving them in the mess of this crap and cast has shown up in the graveyard Jack is there they hug. He mentions trying to just save Em and you know pull them away from everything and that's when Dean shows up and before before Dean gets there. Jack says he he used to feel bad about the things that he did and he just doesn't feel that anymore. But we still know that he knew not to kill his grandmother. So there is some sense of conscience in there whatever it is without the soul and he feels just empty which is why I love the twist. At the end which we'll get to Dean shows up with the gun tells cast to step aside and Dean is aiming the gun at Jack. Did you guys think he was going to shoot Jack Brendan? He had the determination. I don't think he anticipated Jack's reaction. I don't think he he went in there expecting a fight that he was gonna have to defend himself maybe defend cast and Sam so I think That caught him off guard and it appealed to his softer side which is why he put the gun down Cherry agree or disagree. I agree. He loves he loves Jack. It's just that he's angry and cold right now. Yeah families are messed up chat and YouTube commenters and iTunes commenters. What do you guys think? Do you think that Dean softened because of what he heard Jack say how he understands the fact that he kneeled to the I think him kneeling to the ground and literally submitting knowing this is what I need to do. I think that's just what did it because I was just like, oh God don't do it don't and I'm just sitting there like crying like don't you can't do it. Now. You can't do it. He's literally just like completely going you have every right to do this. Just just just do it. I'm here unlike look him in the eyes with the sad puppy dog eyes, and I'm just like right there was just no way and that's when we got and that's one Chuck shows up again. Sam is there screaming telling him to stop, you know and Chuck throws us for a loop when he says no pick up the gun do it. This is this is what this is the way it's supposed to be done. No, this is what you'll do feel like Chuck is that really annoying like television fan that like yells at them? I mean I'm talking about myself that you know that the television and it's like why did you do that? No, I want you to do this you're going to do this and then like goes online and write fanfiction. Like he wants it a certain way despite him saying we have free will and all this Jazz. Yeah, he's being a he's being mean but Chuck says this is mimicking the story of the father killing the son Abraham killing Isaac, which I know you guys had mentioned earlier. I'm a chat when I first logged on you said what was Mariah Biblical reference and it is it is the name given to a mountainous region by the Book of Genesis in which context It is the location of the sacrifice of Isaac. So this is the whole Mariah was the was completely what Chuck intended for Dean to do to Jack and kill his son. Yes, this whole thing was literally set up. By God and him not doing it annoyed God and he did man didn't push them. They were like we have free will and you can't make it to do it and he didn't take too nicely to that either now. So what did you guys think of the ultimate or the swap then even more? Okay. All right fine, if you kill Jack you get your mom back. It was so manipulative. Yeah, very and that is that's where I come in and think this is not God. Yeah that's got is not me and manipulative. Is loving God is kind God made challenge you and they make you work. He will only give you so much as you can handle, but he's not going to be a manipulative God. Yeah, so this was way out of the realm that I thought that makes me think something else is going on here. That's not the Chuck. We know that's the check we've loved for years now. Well, he has been gone for quite some time. Maybe something happened or there's a little bit of all right, what even if you Even if not, that's a really bold choice for the writers to make and I respect them for it is it doesn't necessarily it's not the most Savory thing to swallow. But if it is if this is the chalk that we get for the rest of the show, it's quite interesting it really UPS the ante it does make him the big bad and I love when Dean's at this isn't a story this is our lives like this is what we have to deal with every day. And like you said, this is not a desirable job. No one really wants this job. There's no one. That you get from being a hunter and Dean tells God to go to hell with it. And I was like, oh God. Oh-oh, God pardon my language and this is the part where it bit. Well Thanos but also Ghostbusters like they release everything everything that Lisa is that yours have it your way. Jack glows blue I'm we see him burn away empty eyes burned blue coming out of him anything that he had left. That was special Grace soul is just completely gone. And I love that Sam picks up the gun to twist us one more time and shoots Chuck which we know you can't kill God and shot himself in the process shoots himself in the process. Now we've got Sam sacrificing himself for think he's gonna die, but he doesn't Chuck says the story is over. Welcome to the end it gets dark and look at guess what Here We Go Again writers lie. Oh my God. That was so good. That was so good. Philly writer 807 said in season five was the first time the boys went off script and check has been trying to write his perfect ending ever since because member that was the season they were planning on Dan. I don't know. Well, the good thing is Jack's downtown is he is but he's not he's hanging out with he's hanging out with the empty. Yeah, he's with Billy to and Billy has shown up and says we need to talk. That was awesome. So she wouldn't be empty put that scary-ass smiles like well, I knew I saw Lisa berries name in the opening title. So I was like, all right, Billy's coming back. She's they're taking and then because we had In the preview last week of Jack shooting towards Dean potentially shooting towards Jack. I was like, oh no she's coming in on her to take her dues and I was really nervous about that. But right now she's dealing with Jack the ground has rumbled and all the souls are being released by flying out from hell. This was my favorite part of the episode. So cool because I loved seeing what no, it's terrible. It's horrible, but you love I Loved that they were showing all of these like Monsters and demons that they fought in the past like the woman in white. That's the first episode of the show and I was like in my seat just like oh my God, this is so cool because that Still Remains my favorite episode because I think it's like a really solid traditional spooky story and I love that. So I was totally on board the clown. However, not a fan scary. Not a fan. Nobody likes John Wayne Gacy. And who opens the door without saying who is it? Yeah, also, are you going to leave your door open if that scary ass clown staring at you. Now what color shows up at late at night? Why wasn't your party had a party with a clown? Yeah. I know the children's parties very strong late at night. It's kind of awkward parenting questions than I do about the just check the fuel pump. So the souls are breaking away. The headstones cast poses Angel blade. Sam and Dean crab some like from the wrought iron fence and we it seems as though they're going to be fighting. I'm going to call them the hell Souls as they approach and then attack them and actually spoiler. They just start dancing to Thriller then so they it appears as though this mass group of souls that there's only three of them. I'm sorry. You cannot fight off hundreds of people but Anyone can they probably are going to do that until we piled on but we have another scene. So we kind of know that it's gonna be they're gonna and I said I could be dead before we get into some predictions and talk about what we think is going to happen like you guys we made it through season 14. We all survived it. We survived the apocalypse it took me on an emotional Journey. Did do you remember when we started here and it was the threat Has Michael Dapper Dean and like how many big bads have we gone through and now it's like it just boom has come to embrace it and turned its the roller coaster of emotions. It's all the things. So the monsters saw this goes is all the spectres definitely do that again. It's yeah, it's kind of the season. Oh no, look at what they just took us through now. They're now they're just going to be toying with us the whole next season. It's going to be great, but it's It's so creative you can do so many things. It's so it's so wonderful. So let's get into our special segment, which means it's giveaway time to beware first off. Thank you to everyone who has been following us on the chat and on iTunes and personally I emailing us you guys are so sweet. Yes. Thank you guys so much. We appreciate you. Thank you for following us and all the things and subscribing and everything. Thank you for talking with US Weekly. Hey, it's great to hear everyone's opinions. Let's get to this. Okay, let's get a little okay. What should we should we start with the card the card trading card? All right. Did you just trading card right here? Okay, mini drum roll drum roll. Scrappy's mom you are getting this training guard. Yay. Okay. Alright next we have off the catch the catch. She's quite the cat handsome David Haden Jones right here is going to Austin for Rapid. You are getting the anthem David heat and Jones signed headshot that mace is going to be on your bedside table. You put it in your house and last but certainly not least. We are giving away the Sam Funko number 93. He's so handsome so handsome. Okay, what do we got here? Andrew Martin yay. Oh you guys this look at this. Look at the fun things are getting thank you. Hold that one up to thank you guys so much you so much for all the love and support we will be so if you we've got a couple of you on Twitter and all the things so we're going to make sure to get your email addresses so that I can get your where you live so I can hunt you down so I can send you these gifts. Yeah. We're actually Hunter is we're actually Hunters too. Yeah, thank you guys so much and thank you to everyone who you know joined in and everything. Appreciate you now Cherry. I know you've got a little bit of news give us one thing because I know our time is short and we want to do some predictions Castillo is having a cookbook. He's at become fucking trying to figure out the name of the cookbook. Oh look at him. Oh, yeah, does he need suggestions? Is that what he's asking for? No, but I think she should be cooking with the name Joe. Oh God. It's very it's too cute. It's gross and it makes me happy. I love it. How about chicken wings and angel wings? Oh, no. All right before we close out this season of Supernatural everybody your AfterBuzz TV. Let's hear your predictions Cherry. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I think they're all going to be uniting to fight Chuck and they will of course when I think a more is going to come back and be like, that's why I don't like you check them sick of you. So that's my prediction. Seriously an all-out War. Wow. I happen to think I have a lot of feelings about this but I'm gonna narrow it down to my number one pick. I think we're going to see a Time jump at the beginning of the season because basically the apocalypse has happened. So I think we're going to see years later or some time has passed. It's like the world has become mad Maxie in a way, it's Cass Sam and Dean against the world. They have to reunite with like Rowena and everybody to fight off the Words and the the lost souls and Chuck about Chuck you guys I think Chuck's fooling us all I think we're gonna be a snap of our fingers and he's like see what I can do. That's what I can do. Don't mess with me. You got enough stuff to deal with. Oh, it's a power play. It's a whole power play and it's like you don't follow what I say, then this is what's going to happen to you. And then we are going to have all the people we have left we have the Kate's the Crowley's the Rowena's the catches anyone that's left on our Hunters Bobby all of them on the side are going to be going up against Chuck to fight for the happy ending. Yay. Happy ending. That's my thought. Oh my God. I love it. Well, I mean, we already have that happy ending here guys. 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Welcome to my life's it has applied episode 243. We are about to enter the month of Shabbat yesterday. We benched Shabbos move or from SWAT and a Monday will be rescheduled for tonight is the ready today's our administrators and tonight is a beginning of the Scottish lat.So we'll talk about that as we always do in a timely basis the events and the calendar as well as this week's Pasha, which is now the beginning of partial boy. And of course always in the context of Citizen applied, which is applying it to our personal lives based on the general principle that taters Malaysian Hydra the word Taylor itself comes from the meaning directive guide a directive in life Taylor's. Hi Mazz that I would always say hello behind a blueprint for life. So being that we're writing entering the month of the entering rachet - wat so let's begin with that in the year tough Shimon base, which will be 37 years ago. The rebels spoke was Shabbos passed over a des. This job is yesterday there about if I bring it was my version, of course, I was moving him and it was the same query is the same schedule like this year. We're traitors a Monday and one of the lessons that have been learned and derived from that schedule. In was precise. Everything is precise and everything has a lesson for us. Even when the schedule of illustrators comes out on a Monday or Sunday or Tuesday or whatever day it comes out and is able to come out that also has lessons. It's one of the so-called lesser focused upon tremendous tremendous directive that we received from the rebel was everything was precise. Even the schedule of something not just the straightest route itself. But what day in the week comes and the rubber then as you in his inimitable inimitable way explained that by accident is an expression by that. I became a democracy the minister came by mail. There's no such thing as just automatic when it's crazy shebat comes out on a Sunday. So then you're going straight from Shabbos that blesses into Sunday. It's almost like automatic the fact that it comes after a day or Sunday that are day of Aveda where we work emphasizes that stuck in the mail everything has to come with effort That's the lesson we learned from this crease, of course in the context of Shabbat, especially by the Sydenham Shabbat is the month tenth of shot will be this year the beginning of the 70th year of the rebels leadership 70th year also of the who love the physical MBA so of has a specific relevance to that, but first the first lesson is this not going to Mala. There's an expression in the town with you to sha me talks about someone who came into our shul can't a minion and he heard made him enough Chikara. He was so accustomed to bowing doing Maiden that we say them enough. She caught it that even even concentrating without even deliberating on it. He just bent that someone hand that sounds like a tremendous thing a person so trained they don't even think about it. He's so trained in kedusha that it comes automatically, but there's times that Times that explain that nope didn't come with our vader-like explains and Tiny pellet as well, which is the key terms of these days the problem importance of effort that if it's routine and habit, even if it's a holy habit and a sacred one. It doesn't have that effort pushing yourself a little more as you sites. They're from the gemara monopolist that says that the times of the time of the custom was to study and review that which you've learned a hundred times the model calls that lawyer avoid that it's not cold. David the because it was the custom hundred times who learns is review something a hundred times, but that was their route eat the hundred. And first time this Panama has ever the outer Debbie says this one time over the hundred and you can only reach laughter. You have a hundred that in a person quality macri is more powerful than the hundred because you've gone out of the routine Norman mailer. It's not coming automatically and that's a very powerful lesson so many areas in life. We're often we ask ourselves why can't things Come easy. Why do I have to make an effort? But it's actually a gift that was given to us that we have the power to be creators. We have the power to be initiators that we can initiate and when we do so we become a partner in the process if it's in the middle of thing, that's why it says that the commodity famous good morning megillah. If someone says lay your guy too much so she I'll timing. Someone says you guys development social timing your guide you my Saucy effort brings the Holt's effort and you'll think even on a secular level ask anyone who's successful they'll all tell you how much persistence and sweat is even more important than a good idea seeing it through that effort. So we have that less than a general lesson in life because it has supplied type of lesson. I'm not stuck in the mail should things if the deliberate on pain things obviously nothing wrong with having good habits and good routines that you naturally instinctively and reflexively Bond but a person who thinks about things always adds more to it not just what it does by rote or mechanically and of course in Judaism itself doing something mechanically and by wrote though, it has some value but it's not the passion and the polygamous and the vitality and the dynamic investment that we have when we do something with that type of deliberate effort. Is that completely different quality of Aunt and quality of even product when you have that type of personal relationship. So, of course, there's also less than how we teach our children and our students and each other and anyone we come in contact with not just enough to inspire not enough just to inform and educate but to empower to empower that there's that they should own it and want to make an effort not just give it to them on a platter but also make it an effort that it's worth while the effort and teaching people. That is so valuable that they We'll go and make an effort even when you're not there when the teacher or the parent or the much beer is not that in their presence. They will have owned it because they earn their way and that earning is the motto says involvement. See it says Odom relates to become chelation magician commercial covid a person desires one measure. The capsule a of his own effort then nine that he receives as a gift he or she receives as a gift, but you can buy nine times as much with nine, but it's not yours and you'll see when you get something as a gift so far easier to scrounge the opportunity, but when you worked for it, even if it's only one measure of nine, it has a certain qualitative value, not Noble Mala. How does that apply regarding? The strangers fat? That's a lesson in general because the whole evening of see this Exactly that there should be no, but Mala you just got to not be mechanical Judaism. It should not be by rotor by routine, but with an effort but some form of commitment and some form of investment. So of course as we go into the skaters sharat comes with for Shabbos, welcome Charles what's close to our hearts is that this is the month ten days from huge fat as I said, he'll rule of the Frida collab the same day you just about option you would the beginning of the rebels leadership with the rebel saying the first time playing Ultimate option you dolphin. He formally accepted then the serious right after the moment. That's a finish time fake-looking bosom don't deceive yourself into thinking that I'm going to do the work for you. Everyone has their Peril. Everyone has their students to click the clip stood de la Maza their so-called negative Insanity things we do that are just not necessarily like he says the moment Buster guy things we do just automatically negatively and each of us has to work on ourselves and make our effort. The beside own decline from helping but basically I meet you halfway Aveda became a noble Mala. So it specifically the math lesson this year's careers that it comes on Monday after a day of effort is even more relevant when it comes to the issues of SWAT Irish craziest ride also has the power that the beginning of sacred volume v Hamish when make sure that they know is knows that he was 37 days until Zion odor when there's a Shaman would go back to the Milan. So it's ill-advised a machete burmecia. These are the words that measure said on his haters Shabbat and began by it as a Taylor has he began to explain the data? So the Rashi says and from the metrics that be shaving lotion began to translate into 70 languages. What's the significance of that? All the Jews knew Hebrew they received at 80 by Matt and Tara was not in 70 languages. The significance is that Taylor should be brought. And made relevant and palatable and accessible in every language language refers not just the physical languages but also to the idioms to the way you present an idea that it should be snug Anglican users. They say relevant to the person that's being taught to so we know Mission at 800 which is the fifth book is what Mason The Piazza Muhammad motion said it and that's why much of the book is written in the language of moisture speaking to the in it's all Taylor Menasha my But the four books the first four books is a sham speaking or b'shem. Adonai be like a third person here major speaking. So Taylor. So this says it's vitamin C this elaborates that this is when Mason was internalizing it and giving to them incense integrated normal male. It's not a male. It's rude evade after hearing the tail monogamy, which is a gift Matt and Tara the gift from above now. What are you going to do? Not just listen you now have to absorb process. Internalize it and then digested and presented. That's what Mason did similar to what it says in a longish but democratization of Nahum like a Sonata. He has to present a teacher measuring teachers it in a way that's presentable to the student not just saying hear the words from Heaven Again the emphasis on polygamy is the emphasis on effort emphasis on internalizing it basically just fat and that's where the political debate did the lab explains in the sacrum embase and all the other places that he and to translate 3D collab that is to see this many languages physically in other languages and also explaining it in ways that people who do not necessarily not familiar with the original language can relate to and of course the rabbit took it to a completely other dimension. The Schrader's fat has leads to the Schrader's the head of the month of Swat. Connection to the Parsha. So of course very little boy is a continuation of passage which is all Goldsmith tonight. But in this week's Parsha the middle of the past, we also begin the goal. I've had this as a lock on and able to tell him why should I buy a new inmates 9 that the 15th day of this month of this new month and New Moon you will be redeemed you will lead the Jews out of medicine. I bet somehow your mother and that becomes the Kula in middle of partial but so in the Of the abyss of mitzrayim from the word constraints and limitations Begins the story this narrative and and the actual the actual Redemption and that would be marching Adam. It's I'm and the rest of their story as the Jews go on their Journeys all the way till the end of the Tater. They come to the East Bank of the River Jordan ready to go into H this role. So the aid of course is the last Marcus and is the darkest time. I'm of the goals the goals became more dark and more difficult more oppressive for the Jews and yet right before the dawn who is the darkest moment and that's when mesh of ultimately broke with the clerk of the neighbors to the Clipper of Patty. Patty was called Tanana God the Great Serpent reflecting and representing Serpent of great alligator. Great crocodile different ways are translated, but it represented the power the power of the negative energy and Polly was not a simple. Power of negative which is why the ZR says the beginning of this week's pasture. Why does it say boil party? Boy means come to Paris a little party got the party as it does say in several times earlier and the answer is because as Misha was engaging with party the first he was dealing with the outer more superficial surface levels of this of this negative energy of this diabolical and archenemy of anything. That's holy person. Who said I don't know this God person who considered himself God person who was literally ruled with I Hand the Jewish people and this country. So first Moshe was sold called dealing with his more outer Dimensions. But as you got closer and closer to dealing with the padding to the core motion says, dr. Lee became afraid and began to tremble he was afraid to go to go into the inner chambers of this clip of this difficult the negative energy thinking meeting the Hitler of the generation. With all the power that he had so make sure was afraid so I Shem says boy, you'll Party come with me. You don't go alone come with me. And most of then went along what's the significance what emotion Hashem didn't go with Moshe earlier, but there wasn't so important to emphasize because make sure felt he had the clerk was Emily went here. He needed to have deeper cases basically greater strengths because he was dealing with the greater Darkness to break that he needs a sham. So the ribbon talking by 8mm embase also brings the mind me that the LeBaron shop said in tougher a shy in Zion hundred and two years ago here would be 1917 they said in mind my Pasha beta of the anus Attica and the end of the moment of the homeowner, but the especially then he talks about siddiq him have the power to break and bring down even the most negative forces that is shyam of their generation, except there are exceptions when I Rush has given power for whatever reason God is mysterious ways. Not so simple. It's a deacon at necessary content with it. However, he goes with the Power of the a bush that he could these Peaks there but siddiq him of the different levels and the levels sudden the cecum and Bay's that some consider more masam. Love noticed that that was the time when Nikolai there's our the last tsar of czarist Russia who was at say to you slowly hater of Jews was was overthrown by the revolution around that period of time. So without the labor some shop said it's relevant to the time that he was in that The residents of the helots news talking about a seemed safer Tater. I was taking place that week the first seemed safer Taylor Chloe that I spoke about and he said he doesn't seem sympathetic should accomplish the same to basically eliminate the negative forces. I don't know if we know exactly what the devil was referring to or speaking in general. But what you see from this is that the lessons from past Rivera and boy which are connected as the river connects in that situation. And I definitely encourage you to look it up our lessons that are also in our times the power of kedusha the power of Holiness the power of light to dispel Darkness even even the harshest and the darkest form of Darkness because we don't go alone come with me then times when would given pay a power and they burst is so to speak is behind the scenes then there are times when we need more clear. God says I'm going with you. So there's no circumstance both on the personal partying our lives our personal mid selenium and we have to sometimes deal with the darker moments of Our Lives whether it's due to grief and sorrow or trauma or is due to different oppression psychological fears. Anything that goes into the category of made sudden volume which means the constraints the inhibitions the limitations anything that traps you that you feel trapped in so there are times we feel I'm strength and God is always giving us strength times that we may feel really fearful. We don't feel we can do it and we want to retreat so it's a boil party and even great. My should have been you needed it on his level. So we all have a tremendous lesson from that and of course, there's also boil party of Russia party from the world is Padilla you calm the Hayden Patty also has everything has a shade of Shadow root in the above. So if there's a party very strong and Lumas and the negative there's also a party of guichen like we say about love on love and below is a thief a gangster a liar a deceiver but love and love and refers to Laban Elliot the supernal whiteness of the highest levels. Thinking so on same thing party party also comes from this Podium which means the the explosion or the bursting forth of all the lights and all the energies. So the rebel says which fought came in the week of Pascha boy. I wish I was special boy when it happened to option you would so this is so came on one hand. There's a Darkness but another hand comes a tremendous light that comes with this tall courses that have explained systolic accorded to contribute to be called Alma. The power of bring even a more powerful light of boy and that's what my she achieved with hashem's help come with me able to transform the darkest and what happens to a connection this week's pasture and middle of the pasture smack right in the middle. Not even the next comes the goal after 210 years of Oppression. The lesson to us is that there is always the hope God is with you God got goes with you got comes with you and hold your hand and has that it gives us the strength to deal with any difficult any The life now in our case. We have the moisture debated within us we have the rebel within each one of us the measure of each generation. And this is also with the clerk of the a burst inside of make sure the boy will help Ari. Okay, many many lessons can be derived from this for more on this topic of cross-reference to episode 52 98 146 and 197. Okay without let me ready make some housekeeping announcements. Excuse me. One is that as I just said cross-referencing all these episodes are archived. You can access them at meaningful live.com / my life and if you go to the YouTube version on a desktop or laptop, you can actually see the timestamps and go straight to the topic you want without having to listen to all of it. 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So please be generous and help us either dedicate the program in memory of a loved one or honor of a loved one to go to meaningful live.com / sponsor ship. Meaningful have that calm / sponsorship. Okay. Now let us go to some questions. And of course, we'll start with a contemporary question. I just Breaking news in the Chabad world this week this past week. How should we react to the recent? Mezuzah controversy? So yes, we received letters and sure you've heard about this. So if you haven't heard about it, let me just be specific what we're talking about here controversy has broken out about what is being sold by the suffering by the scribes by the motion is flooding those that sell mezuzahs in this community in the Crown Heights community and other communities. Is it up to standard is it kosher is a not Kosher debate raging? All different perspectives. We got the respect of the stores perspective. Well it all started with a young man who decided to do an investigation and came to a conclusion that many of the mezuzahs are not Pasa Pasa La not Kosher you have the reality of the comments from the stores that sell these mezuzahs you have comments from suffering scribes from Laburnum from people in the street. Everybody has entered The Fray initially. I was not going to speak about precisely because everyone's talking about what do I need to talk about? But I do want to share a few words and I think just to bring a little I guess sanity into this discussion. We are Jewish people. We're here for over thermos 3,800 years formerly from the time of Aroma Vino Martin. Theta is over 3,300 years ago. They've been controversies as like this and bigger ones. Thank God God blessed us with a Teta we're not living in the dark. We have directives. I mentioned Tatum lotion a rotator has directives for us matter what the situation Taylor has a response. Why is that so vital because all of us are subjective all of us have opinions and they could be good appears. We may be brilliant, but we're subjective. So God blessed us. He gave us a tale that has seen a but more importantly the Taylor hasn't methodology that can be applied in every given situation and that's why they record a we have a maceda. We have the caucus coming of each generation as they codified the Toyota first Taylor should be excessive from the a bastard and - about pair Taylor but pollution it now which in turn became howl office which what we call today she'll Canada. Starting from the rambam the Russian other poskim and it's a long literature along body of scholarship that goes in an unbroken chain of how you determine every question. So the first thing everyone has to ask ourselves each one of us has a what does it take to say now what I say not what this young man says not with the store say not what I wanted to say. Not with this soft room. Say what is the Tater say? So the Taylor says to go to I drove. I'd rather not because he's a smart guy because he's a good guy because he's a person who knows what this says in the trailer. Suffering also have a certain Authority writing a safer Taylor or a film or mezuzahs is not a simple matter. Not everybody can just sit down and write there are real rules. Now, of course there are different opinions. And the commodity talks about it and then Shakalaka talks about it and we know this busy have it and there's a killer and there's the things that are for sure possible covid a is completely unacceptable as far as a mezuzah goes there are things that are cautious the holidays and they're things that some say you can get it but the evidence acceptable, but if you're mocking me, you should not do it. This should not offer all these things enough to make up new analysis, and we don't need to find new authorities. So the way I would look at this is very straightforward. Okay. This is rocket practices came up whether the fellow did it the right way should have gone and publicize names and stores and so on. It's after the fact I'm not going to go make a judgment call on that. But as rock the product is now that it's on the table would tell you to it. But knew him so let's look what the data says. What does that mean? If a mezuzah you have a question you go to a story by a mezuzah. Now, you're relying that day have someone that checked it. Remember every store has an Aggie because they're selling something. So happy. I lost everyone is in the game but though the gave it over means can be a relative. It can be financial gain or some other Prejudice. So Taylor addresses that too. That's why you have objective rabbis objective scribes who look at something if case there's a question now, there are obviously people I have certain suffering. They trust they have certain scribes. They chose to have certain stores. They trust if however for some reason I'm not even saying it's legitimate a question has come up should you trust this scribe or this tour is a simple process take the mezuzah. So whatever it is that we've got in question and bring it to an objective person and let him look at it. This is the potato says and objective person is not a person of this treats a person who's trained who knows. First of all shall carnatic knows how to look at him Azusa and at a Judgment, and at the letters and exactly how it's written and can say this is a question of mezuzah. However, if you were mocking me, it would be few things should be remanded or it's possible. It's either possible cost should or could be done better. And this again, there are rules for all these things. Everything is addressed. I've I was a manager of the store or on the store what I would do. Which is what you see Le have the word the greatest world does if someone questions your credibility instead of becoming defensive or anything. What you should do is on the contrary. So yes, I care about my standards. I want you as a customer. I want people to know that you can trust me you come out with the campaign and say, you know, what will have polar Point objective or I want a more objective suffering who will check anything. You have a question. They will check it and they won't be biased because they're not going to be paid by Me Maybe. It's a collective fund. I don't know we have to Around how this is not because there's necessarily anyone is saying that there's anything wrong but that's what you do you go overboard when you want to have customers when you want to be credible. Everyone knows the famous story with Tylenol just bring it as an example. Tylenol was found laced with God forbid some people died from it. Not even comparing it to have the Ella $5. So Tylenol the company that owned it, you know, this was it could destroy their whole company because that's all you needed that it was laced and they didn't know what to do some argue. They should just ignore it. It'll blow over some said we should do comment on it and they came out with an aggressive campaign that we are now going to do something and no one has ever done. We're because of this happened and we feel the responsibility to the public. We're going to create new safety hatches latches, whatever it is. Four covers for to avoid tamper-proof packaging and they came out with a big apology and said tamper-proof and they not only did they continue their business they doubled in trouble because they gain The credibility I'm not suggesting the same here because to say I'm not going to come to a conclusion to say any mezuzahs for possible or that in cause any damage but it's just a lesson even if it did look what they did and how they gain the trust of the public. So I think this is an opportunity to be at a to even see the shading. Look at the situation and take the bull by the horns and say there's a Taylor Swift Canada. We have that bonding. We have self Loop. Let's find those objective people that can establish that way. Everybody is absolved of the gears whether this young man whether he had biases or not. I don't know and I didn't investigate whether other people have biases. I'm not here to rule on it. But the tailor covers all bases. That's my point. And the basis especially are looking at a situation. It's not just with mezuzah, by the way. It's with any given situation with this controversy. Thank We have a tainted that helps us get through situations like this by looking at objectively dispassionately by Taylor people and so on. now if indeed somebody besmirched and cause damage for no reason that has to be addressed to That also has stated is also recourse with that. But overall I'm talking now to each other as a public you buy a mezuzah whether its buying it for yourself or you're buying it for someone else. You're buying it from its volume by all means you should ask whoever selling the mezuzah was a checked and there's no problem. Go check it with independently by someone else you could say, why do I have to do that? You know what we have much gave him in restaurants. We have much greater claim that we have a strong focus on food. There's the concept of God now if you find someone that you trust In the world of softness by all means that's all it's all part of it. They have those authorities. But since now things have come into question added up, let's use it to strengthen our commitment and strengthen our standards and do this in the Tate away. Now, do you think the devil would answer anything different than that? Then this phone has the lemon this question Taylor Taylor mention it up. So this is Tater habad estate. Everything is stated. We follow the tail now has come out some new. Ins which I'm sure some of you are aware of his up sagged in actually an abstract in a letter I should say from the best in of Crown Heights. They did they did. I loved all the tables kiss love darling Kiss Live Topsham Zion the best of Crown Heights and they gave out nine guidelines because they saw laxity and problems with mezuzahs. So once you have this this is our bottom of this community and I bought in this community that everybody embraced and that ever endorsed. So all we have to do is follow of the things they said there. That they're saying that they don't refer to any particular story or they definitely don't mention names. They say that there's definitely an issue going on with Matt. This Thomas Thomas is again safe potatoes films was associate Avis. They read regulations. So there should be no Mitchell. There should be no impediment in our community among the role rules that they wrote was everything should go through a rigorous review and that the writer should be of course God-fearing an expert. Wherever they come from and they actually banned they said they should not have small mezuzahs. We can't see tagging or there are no tagging the Crown's. So here's the rub on this is from that one who couldn't someone wants to question that other American than 20 but it is it is coming from the bottom of this community. Rest assured this was mems Ian. I'm sure that I ever saw this so I don't know if that ever reacted to it, but we don't have anything negative about so there's one directive was also brought to my attention. I want to thank the family the Blau family of Mayor blouse children, especially love Levi brought to my attention that back in the year Thompson llama dalit which was right after that. I began with some Azusa after the tragedy of my lot in Israel. So the mayor blough was and asking and a very proactive activist Came out when with a big ad in the Jewish, press that said over 80% of mezuzahs and phone are not kosher. And he goes on of course to make a call. The people should be vigilant to make sure it's kosher he wrote to the devil and submitted this ad and he said Not only did he put that in. He also sent it to rabbis and to communities all over the country. both in Yiddish and in English and he gives a bunch of lists of things of why he studied did it in order obviously to keep the standard and to prevent a real Mitchell real problem, which is the laxity around it can possibly mezuzahs that ever answered we hear lots of shake all are now but slow, Carrabba asked, Alexia So that was already back in the 1990's. We're talking about 74 Shabbos kazane time. And then there was unfortunately a tragedy Interruption. I'm involved with some Shock them got killed in an accident. So Mayor Bloomberg era Blau otherwise sholem wrote to the web about it. And he said that they went to check the mezuzahs and the masseuse. Unfortunately for the people that were killed was not Kosher. She says it's a very sensitive think he doesn't want to bring it up to the family. He wants to do it through family members, but he wants to know that ebb is giving him. Directive should he do something about it in a sensitive way and the rubber right? Capacity Salazar? Peaceful Canada given this La Maza Hulu LaLanne of Elaine reichman. Well, it's not Teresa's capacity should do something about it because I was going to because as we can because that's what patient Hinata and they're having the parentheses says because something happened negatively. So obviously you have to look and introspective especially in the area of mizzou's and filmed and safer. Tara is the rivers. Indicates very many times and then the Lab Rats Oscar. Let's see. It's close to my heart as well as he writes at the bottom is because of this tragedy. He's printing in the newspaper of allgemeinen. See kibosh - a mezuzah that was from that year Pasha aircraft often involve was a Civic came out about the power of mezuzah. Okay good. So what we should only need to hear good news. I just wanted to share this all for the slimmest in Union, but the sum up I think we have at it. I think I know we have a Taylor Taylor are some Dating Taylor. I think when you go with that approach, you put aside all agendas or personal agendas all opinions. That's all that matters here. What does it take to say? The Taylor has a lockers regarding this. They said the details I discussed earlier the details of a locker something is caution. Who did they could be cautioned not to tackle Sanhedrin and could be possible and that needs to be determined determined not by people in the street now by anybody. These are people with authority can determine this and our bonding and suffering that have the same class as the rubber bottom wrote Hiroshima and all the requirements that are safer safer has entailed potato. Okay, and I'd love to hear any comments or feedback with that. Let us also. I want to say one more thing from the sock. Then from Torres remembered Zion that I bought him also said they also demanded all softly. Mm and my game in the neighborhood community Crown Heights appear before the but that's before the best in the show their credentials that they revisit the Al-Aqsa substantial Connecticut least once a year, I would submit not as it of but it's just a practical suggestion is always good to have a second person checking anything now of course different opinions and she'll kannada but as a safer or I love that checks knows those lockers and Say this is it's not possible but it's not tacos. I hid having to people who don't know of each other is always a healthy thing, especially now that there's been a controversy. So why not be even extra careful so we know exactly what we're dealing with and so on and hopefully we all follow with Theta says potatoes dark hair dark in am on the Civil side column. Everything would tell his men to bring Shalom and peace and not create definitely that divisiveness and arguments and we follow taraweeh all It to what the Taylor says that is the best way that will find resolution here that will be without any extra Agnes nefesh or any personalization or any damage to anybody. Okay, good what the data says is the best for everyone whoever's involved. but that let us move to a Other questions, is there an intrinsic value? To keep see this in its pristine State and not try applying it to specific situations. Hi, Robby Jacobs. Thanks for sending out your week video weekly weekly it creates a positive start to my week and it feels good to know that your cover the weeks passed as well as Jewish holidays that are relevant that week. I learned the cecum this week and the rebbe explains that moisture his job was to break the Clipper of mitzrayim and his brother on was to take the message that measure would carrot convey in Hebrew, which It was probably the not understand. I like last year says the homeless a new vehicle via the menu in other words. I'm product and explained it to Paris. So make sure was like the pristine form of what God Said to break the clip and not embroider down to his level to make sure he understands the message. My question to you, is there a concept of keeping cities the words of the lab and make sure that they know in their pristine State and not try to apply it to specific cases. Like in other words like moisture not like God. If not, then what's this concept of motion just saying things the way they are and how does that apply to us? Thanks. So the question obviously is questioning the premise of this program because it is supplied my maxi this or a Seeker. Is the said by the lab Am David elokim time? We have the original and just read that. is there It is an Indian in that. Or you have to always apply it to a personal situation. So, of course the answer is obvious, of course, there's a new that not only that that that's where it all begins when the Arab am selling. My merwe Nobles massage the Avid it will find the environment the atmosphere and their words are wholly that's why when we has an amendment by Bar Mitzvah or by a wedding or in General on the Shabbos. It has a memory of Hazzard. I suppose issue set up and we don't have an explanation. Sometimes we add a little to make a little more explainable but not much. So that's like the Words of nation but we're also told told told that we have to learn cities with the learn and understand it. So there's thinking of learning the words and of course that has the most power we know that IBM's had certain my modem. They said was to for the for that they would repeat repeat for the different be rude and they needed at that time. As I said, we Hazard of but then there's the engine of explain Exodus internalizing it like anything until you learn to tell you some examples even lay under my car might even know if you know what It says they're all the words are holy. But then the tail has a Mitzvah till understand laughs fossil the first of all to study it immerse yourself Yugi as I discussed earlier understand that argue about it internalised aside a contradiction. So, of course, there's an engine of the mesh of theta and is the adhan of theta where an translates in brings it down to the level of the people in this case party. And then there's the end of the tale itself in its original form. There's no contradiction at all. So they both have value the first we'll probably has even more power because it's the original words, but II has more internalization and this is discussed in many places that taters the Taylor is like Ella Coos, but then there's other cool says its lavash as it manifests in our cycle and our understanding of it generally the difference in tennis should be excitement a to show up here. Intentional pegu for these levels same thing as Exodus that there's the tension of Exotics it's tiny but even other my mom, that's great from that I-beam and there's an explanation of it famous story with lab Hill parents and some of the sudden they were sitting after a moment that someone said they delivered and they were discussing the have wanted understanding of the minor uphill disagreed with it some exotic so someone said to him, how can you disagree? Someone said it himself said the Miami says when the rabbit says the my mother is conditioned us to Messina. Like given at Sinai obviously, that's the devil speaking chinnamma. Debellis metallic. Rainy sometimes expression. The screen is speaking through his throat through his mouth. But now we're talking understanding it and here we're losing cycled understand here that I bet that are bataki. But this is a discussion for Taylor and we're learning Taylor together and here you could have room for disagreement. That's why my should have been when he said something from a sham. Obviously that's authority of a sham. But then we'll measure set with the commitment. They discuss something actually Rob lattice you go according to the majority even if majority is not according to Mission. Though of course motions respected for his understanding now. This is could be elaborated upon but the point is there are two elements to see this as there is the general table. I discussed this in different cases different ideas in different episodes episode 59 123 132, 163, 165 177 and 199 different ideas about this whole basis of the supplying see this to our personal lives, but that is absolutely the cover on as well to bring up. In the personalization of all these ideas each one of us call Haddad the function unit delay each person according to their measure according to their needs according to their unique perspective and an approach all based on the source without compromising that Source after Emma says tiny is a Texas. So of course time you itself is Tiny condition, but it's ait's is that means each of us can take the advice and the directives out there besides each according to our weight a term illusionator as I Mentioned earlier next question. What did the rebel mean by calling? Someone a plain Clothes Closet? Greetings Rabbi Jacobsen one time at the local Chabad house. They showed some clip from video clip of people's reminiscences of the rubber. There was one man who said that the rebel referred to him as a plain Clothes Closet. Did you interpret for us? What did I ever meant by this? I thought of it because of the recent flurry of concern expressed by some of your viewers as to what kind of yarmulke should be warned. Thank you and keep up the great work. Yeah, not just mezuzahs. There was a flurry of discussion about my yarmulke is referring to specific. Okay, well The expression plainclothes of course comes at somebody is dressed. Like I said plainclothes policemen dressed in plain clothes, not the uniform still a policeman but he's dressed up in other word to either camouflage himself and a way that he can get away with certain things because if you saw as a policeman people would know who he is and they be careful. So this is more of a like an undercover situation. My assumption is and then we used that term and I've heard a few times is that they're people who dress like a hosted you look at them. You see a custard gate persons are out overt and outright representative of the Rebel and lives up to that standard, hopefully and so on but then there are people who were very much touched by this in this by the debating by the lab and they may not look the part may not dress the part. But when you speak to them, you suddenly see this deep discussions and You know, they're loyal to the cause now what a dress that way whatever the reasons are but that it was saying basically there are people like that that are out there that are wherever they may be and they are playing close hosted their might mention of the lepers are Mensch, but he's dressed in a part that maybe the glove Worsham of the place where he's at like we say in citizens have to be dressing up in the Vichy. Homme is bottle. Of course we have to always know is to be repeated in her locker, but there are people God forbid whatever. Reason, they still have not embraced all of theta at least not until the vashem department the Garment apartment, but their heart and their soul in their actions even are completely committed. I've met people like this. I'm sure you have as well. That's how I would explain it. I just heard on Shabbos actually. So shared with me who is my spirit was not a bad person and when the rebel came out with must be him, he wrote to the rebel. And the response was that your must be is the one that brought you to this guide even though it's not Chabad. So what does that mean? So I thought to myself this idea the plain clothes that means what is it about hosted we spoke about that lat about this last week come across and then the days - cuff of the rib a person who's living up to the directives and the philosophy and approach the perspective of the rib. Now obviously there's dressing the part and there's are not always dressing the part, but you could also be someone who's in plain clothes and still propagating and perpetuating the rebels message and the rebels carvanha fulfilling the rebels mission to us in this world. That's pretty straightforward. Next question Muslim question about Mazda. The Jewish people have luck. In Hebrew, we know the word, Massa. On one side we say n mausolea slow. There's no Muzzle for in but then we say Mazel tov. And I should add when it comes for example, each month month of spot month of other Muslims body body musleh that the Muslims are healthy muscles are strong muzzle and actually has implications even in a locker. If something is going bad by someone in life, can you say it's bad luck or is it a punishment for his misdoings? And now he should add a mistress and all those problems will be resolved has nothing to do with his luck. Thank you. So first I want to refer you to episode 198 where I spoke about zodiac and astrology. The brief answer is the following eight miles away. Is that all exactly right? Because Mazel is part of how God created the world and there's so-called laws of nature and the cloning the laws of astrology The Crusade by avraham avinu. He was subject to that. But then when I've robbed changes name, I've ramla classroom. She no longer is bound by these guidelines because you're connected to so called told the master himself. So the stars and all the different Marsalis and constellations are God's handiwork. These are basically instruments of God. So instead of being subject to the instruments result. We Mak connect to the person who's created the person to The Entity that is the bow ha instrument which is all. Kogasa. Be either case of it's all like a an ax in the hand of the axman. So Jews have that direct connection. So they're not bound to Mars oldest. That doesn't mean however, we do live in this world. So the I'm shocked about Lucas which comes from higher than the Marsalis comes to us also through our Mazda. So we'd say doesn't control Our Lives there's predisposition. That's why in the reddish of there's certain things. We don't do it's a fatal shot. That is a month of simcha. Hey, the service is adamant. That doesn't mean we're Bound by doesn't mean it controls our lives, but there's a predisposition so-called inclination. So the route is a Mazda slow is higher than any mosque. But it does come down. I'm chakras that come through different so-called personalities and characteristics that do affect us, but we're not bound by it and we can always transcend it. Then there's the title see this in Mazda Israel in Iron muzzle Israel. Not that there is no Muzzle that Marvel of Israel is the level of iron not yet the level of beetle telecourse so that means both things that means there is no Mazel the muzzle as in the yes that your defined this way. your muzzle is higher than muzzle your muscles the level of I there's more to be said in this topic, but that's the brief the story. So are we subject to the laws of nature? Look we have those of nature we are subject to but fundamentally I eat is connected to a place that's hard to say their stylist to iron higher than the MIT CSS elements existence and therefore can connect to that. So even though there may be Mossad the Mosel you may have been born a certain month or something in the Mosel. That doesn't mean you're It can imposes itself and predetermines your life. It's a predisposition. Okay. Good next question. 770. Why is 770 not kept neither? So here's a two questions that came in over the months number one. Why is 770 such a bad condition, isn't it possible to make the place nicer and cleaner? Isn't it? A place of prayer supposed to isn't a place of isn't a place of prayer supposed to be beautiful. Is it lack of funds? Thanks. Another person wrote taken higher up Simon. How are you? This question will probably one of the funnier questions you receive a dominant seven seventy every day. Although the show's taken care of very well. There's one issue that bothers me a lot every time I wash my hands before doubling there's never any paper towels to wipe one's hands with besides on Shabbos. They have these bloggers which don't can't control myself. Sorry. They have these blowers was don't even blow out how to We have to remember some seventies not a Regular Show. It's the rebels based message above its World Headquarters. So you're wondering why am I writing to you? Why don't I talk to the God boy. It's exactly what I was wondering. The answer is quite simple. I'm not going to get too far. Perhaps a group of vitim can get together wealthy people and sponsor the paper towels for the whole year how much it would cost 20 grand a year. I have heard of or read somewhere that the rebel one's been warned by if I bring that there's no towel by the sink to wipe one's hands. With and when there's a towel it's soaking with the Simon behave. Okay, well everything this program never know what's going to come your way. So first I want to refer you to episode 132 which interesting I did speak about something about 770 and and decorum. So on the two questions actually contradict each other the second one says it's being taken care of seven seven other one says it's not. Well, let's start with first of all these social carnatic I mentioned before everything they should who knocks on car has very clear rules and laws about Hill whose basic analysis the cleanliness of it keeping it even nicer than your own. It's a Malcolm College. It's a MIG - Matt. It's a base. I'm English. And we all have these some of us know once the rebels self at times when he saw something that was on the floor you pick up a piece of paper garbage. And so on. Once that ever came to dominate the Ahmad. I think it was Memphis from 770 as he comes to the Almond by misery. He sees a few bags behind the behind the helmet there near the orange kadish never looks calls over was this You can hear on the tape on the video help set that I bought was a show since the show was with contest though. And then the rabbit says I'm only given the meaning at the shamans for gaming time bothered. Benjamin the pole Belgium under the floor which means you would go with his beard and sweep. The floor themselves me the board me the egg on the board. He would sweep the floor of a show can see the rebels aggravation. So let's make one thing clear. There's no justification for an unclean and underneath and on or disorganized show. I know we all say this when we tell people who come he says the engine room of the Babbitt's engine room of the world engine rooms. Don't look very clean if you go into the boiler rooms, You go to the bottom of the ship. That's all a nice nice explination and maybe has some value to it. But then the days are still has a lockers and as I just described she loves to be neat specially the debits show. So I don't know there's no excuse for it. It's a matter of all of us compare operating they got by him have to do their part. But remember it's a show of thousands of people that one can't be following everyone around and just looking at the debe sensitivity to how clean the school should be. Each of us thought of it as such and we treated a shrew. Concern own personal domain and the holy domain make the shmatte especially that position would change. So I look at ourselves. I look at myself. I look at you. I don't think we can blame somebody as far as the paper towels go. I don't know. I mean I use those blowers and I think they did blow air hot air, but I'm not going to debate on the topic mean. It's probably to save money. I'm not going to get into the discussion. Why not use paper towel just use paper towels. That should be brought up in the gut biome is not my area of expertise or death. Only not my domain of authority. So but I am reiterate again - rules to be clean neat and that's what the governor over shoulders period no excuses. Okay. Next question is really a request favor that I was asked of me. Hi, Rabbi Jacobsen. I have a request if you can do me a favor my sound in might sound interesting I suffer from depression and anxiety. It came to the point that I feel and I need to take Something to give me some relief. I'm not a big fan of medication. So I'm wondering if I can use your show. If you can throw out a question to your audience and acquire if anybody has been helped with these kinds of issues through alternative medicine by a homeopathic doctor Etc. As you said your shows an interactive Community forum, and if people respond with the name of doctor or doctors, please for you can forward it to my email it gives us his email. Thanks in advance. That's like a rabbit. So this Davis so I'm doing exactly that a request of one of the listeners if anybody has any leads or directives is helping a person. I'm sure could help others as well. And since we're ready on the topic, it's a good opportunity since I do have the public forum here. If you do have recommendations in mental health or other areas, please share them and we will have a list of resources in case anybody does contact us either privately or something. I read on in the pub and the week. The program we can direct them to different individuals. Obviously all this is confidential. So whatever you share you don't have to share your name. If you do share a name, you'll be completely confidential and Anonymous, but I will pass it on to this fellow and again, I really feel honored to be able to be a offer this service that we can all help each other because you never know who you know a referral a reference a lead and so on. Okay now we have a bunch of follow-ups. But because of the mezuzah and other issues IC am not going to have the time to do it. So I apologize. I will do one follow up that way at least we'll get one done and I'll do the others next week in the following weeks one of the topics we spoke about in previous episodes. What defines a habad custard So few comments came in I'll just read them three comments be specific one of the cities that is a generation without a debe is forced to ask that very, who are we type of question? I don't know if I would I would agree with that will not a generation without a debe mile Holland women the Masha Masha Afghan women mccamish read st. Louis as obtained by this a rabbit never forsakes his people at every gate Cambridge Tyvek as the docks his father told him when the after that I met ashes and stalkers. And that's coming to cells but we have it up. Okay, and a third comment was I think a constant Chabad is someone who uses everything in the world including technology to spread you describe the Exodus for Ibaka not have a phone that was good maybe in the times of the rubber tire shop now barking can spread you describe their free time if they have a phone, okay? Discuss the something up for discussion not going to comment more on that finally was another issue with the follow-up on secular studies in schools high Rabbi Jacobsen. I would like to understand what's all the paranoia with the government and the secular education schools from my understanding. It's not that the government wants to take over our schools. They just want the kids to have basic knowledge of English language and math and the like to be able to navigate Society after they finish their studies in school. Was it the represent tension that we Shouldn't know how to read and write the know basic math. I think there's an over reaction here. I think you can be from and Sedition be educated and have Panos about hover. Why do the from have to be poor? I don't think the rebels intentions were that from Jews should be struggling with pain us. I think many things have changed with higher education for the from Community where you have from colleges separate from men and women, whereas when the rebel spoke about going against going to University was concerned that people should drift away from users guide because of it I think times Have changed and we need to chill out a little bit. I don't know if you listen to the program. I addressed this very direct. I don't agree with some of the things you're saying just go back to those episodes and trying to remember which episodes they were. I didn't mark it down but it's basically a few weeks ago was probably episodes 12:39 240 241 that I spoke about this and I don't as I said some of the things you say agree with but the question really is here. What comes what makes Spinosa isn't necessarily higher education and most importantly the government doesn't have to be intervening. We're smart enough for her. These people have been here for thousands of years. We could figure it out. And if we have an issue we'll deal with it ourselves. Internally. We'll figure out what to empower our young men and women and if you look at it, you know young women and women thank God of joke about the trouble that you see in the secular world. We don't have most of those issues. Yes, they're things to talk about we talked about it in previous episodes. I just wanted to read it for the record. Okay. Let me go now the other follow-ups as I said, I'll do next week. The CID is question. God in or out we were taught that God is outside of us extend this I learned something new. We all have a piece of God in us. What should be the meditation by diverting on one hand. It says valid for named me after a moment. She means sustained notable home before whom you stand we also take three steps back which seems to be in line with the idea that God is somewhat sitting outside us their Exodus talks about how diving is that Vader to reveal the peace of God that is inside us and Ask the question. I forgot to thank you for the service to humanity. Your lectures website books Etc is amazing and has a great impact on my life. Yes, your Kaya. Okay, so God inside or out so I discussed this in episode 83 since this was rephrase the bit I'll respond briefly but an 80 episode 83 I discussed the bar of length. So first of all, there's a minor has AA that says whom became a shillelagh, but in element came a God is the space of the world or the occupies the space of God's existence, but existence is not God in ALA mccamey. So God is an entire the entire day of God is far beyond existence and therefore outside of existence outside meaning not outside of physical space, but beyond you can't say like pantheism Spinoza argued God is nature nature is God. No God is nature, but nature is not God. God is basement space is not God. God is a lot more. That's We say have Ayah who are like him Baruch Hashem elokenu Hashem elokenu. Ah, what's the survival became a viola King always in everything and the cane is God as he manifests in nature and the Kim's Big Mate hot Eva the nature have Ayah is the door that it transcends nature and transcends existence. Have I only came is that the God has Beyond is the god that's within so I wouldn't say outside in because as the cuts could ever said they asked him as a child where they've asked him. Where is God she said where is God not? They said that will give you a penny if you tell us where God is. He said I'll give you a penny if you tell me where God is Not. So God is within everything but is not defined by the everything. So the answer is both we talked save of Kalama molecule and the molecule Amin mamala as in Houma K.Michelle LM is my mother has Sam Puckett. He fills the space and then we say God is beyond a sash - artists tiny male he fills the Earth, but then there's we say God is beyond existence and then he's even beyond the Beyond this Exodus elaborates upon and then he joins all the together because God is beyond the Beyond can join the god alloh Kim and Javi. I know he combines a very end of the king. That's the short of it what it means in Practical applied to this apply to our lives is that there are theories that speak about a God that's beyond us. You want a relationship with God you have to live an ascetic lifestyle go out of your natural order and routines others say no there's no such thing as beyond God is right here. God is nature and nature is God. And you find God in your personal life be ethical be kind and so on both are not complete. The first one is ignoring existence and God created existence and yes manifested himself in existence and even manifested himself intense fears always be on them. So called an image in which created the Divine human being the human being degraded selam. Aleykum. The Divine image I got has no image because it's beyond image, but he chose a part of himself. So to speak he chose to manifest the reflection of the Divine in a structure and we that part of God is within us and when you say helical to come and Mom Amish when you say that you are the selam aleykum that your life your custard you do kindness. Emulate God's kindness a lot of Bedrock of man who con una fata con maru' Rama Vitara you emulating God's ways are faculties are aligned with God's attributes. That's how God manifested in existence and that we need to have because that's the governor did it but octane but if you only have that you don't you're not having the experience of the Divine Beyond existence the or of recognizing the Raymond was events of the have flaw the grand or the magic The Mystery of the Divine. So how do you reconcile the two so we have both their part times where we experience the divine within us when you thank God for food for sustenance for life for shelter for all the blessings. That's God as it relates to you and then you come to realize there's a God Beyond you and the god. Beyond is one with the god that's with it. So we both have Transcendence, but without asceticism and we don't have the just limited ourselves in the material world. We also could experience the Transcendence that's beyond existence together with the divine within existence together. They all come of course for Miss year comes will be the completion of both dimensions by the third dimension. So we have the absolute save of a mile. Okay. Now, let's do the essays. this is still essays from last year's 2018 contest will continue reviewing them until we run out of them or until we begin essays of this year's contest and I mentioned again the essay contest your chance to both express your voice see this relevant in a personal issue or a global issue or some contemporary life Challenger issue using synthesis to address that issue and you can win bonus $10,000 because even just doing that is already a reward but Getting also $10,000 for the effort is potential for us is is the first prize second prize 3600 third prize is $1,000 and a fourth $500 prize specifically exclusively for students. So now let's go to the essay contest to the am sorry to the essays of this week. One is the first one the value of our constant struggles Sarah Schwartz. H32 Granada, Granada Hills, California That's consistent to some of the things we spoke about today. Do you ever feel you are constantly repeating the same struggles keep hitting the same walls and getting stuck. It feels so frustrating whether your negative thoughts are close with your negative thoughts are clothed in anxiety depression addiction laziness self-consciousness or lust if you are human you have them and you wish you could just get rid of them. You want to be healed happy? Trust me friend, you're not alone. We regular humans all struggle with these internal battles and chapters 27 and 28 of tiny adulterer buried the finds. Our life's Mission as embracing our inter internal struggles and discovering the advantageous purposes of having them. This essay will explore this topic. And yes, and she goes on to explore it in a very personal way. I really like reading this and how we must accept the reality that we are created the struggle fight one battle at a time number three feel the reward of And of the satisfaction we give to God very good application of Tanya's those chapters and with practical ideas at the end that really can help a person think in a very real at realistic way. So this essay as all other essays that we review each week are posted at meaningful have.com / my life and as well if you'd subscribe to our weekly email we send out the new essays as they're posted as say number one, okay? KSA second, essay is I meant Transcendental mediation in light of us in this David bressman age 35 Los Angeles, California job is a mediator this essay. I must say extremely impressive. And did receive one of the highest marks. I just read them as I mentioned a few weeks ago last week that already not necessarily the right order, but this is top-notch essay. I'm a certified mediator David reitze mediation is also known as alternative dispute resolution ADR. I took an interest in this field a couple of years after I received ordination for Diana's rabbinical judicial ordination. I will address how one can overcome Stark differences and Discord when differences cannot be worked out between individuals. I call this method acidic transcendental mediation the tools to overcome Discord are found in the considered sources I will present I will note that this article can benefit both an experienced mediator and a Layman. I personally think must read especially if you're interested in these matters and who doesn't have challenges like this and he goes on to firstly to explain mediation facilitative mediation evaluated mediation toolbox mediation, and then in mediation in light of Exodus a true contribution, I think to that bridge between a real issue in our times and the Contribution to it Hasidic insights and perspective about Maria and with the different sources from citizen different places that he cites. Excellent essay, really? I'm going to think of a way that we should probably more than just post. This probably make it very prominent because it really can be part of different mediation. Let the knowledge ease and processes if you're in that field, I definitely recommend reading it or even if you're not in the field as I said, it's has True Value. Okay, the first third essay for today is increased motivation for change after repeated failures and Hebrew. 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Howdy friends Craig here in this episode. Jamie vardy returns to the show and reveals why rezar players are so excited about Karai and malifaux Third Edition. We hear all his Secrets including getting up to 10 activations a game out of a curio non carry players will want to pay close attention or she will roll over you in the next matchup. For jump in our friends at gadzooks gaming have a sweet offer for all of our us and Canadian listeners now guess who's gaming is always been a big supporter of the third floor as well as malifaux and a ton of other games like wild west Exodus Dark Age Frost creative in Legion will make some my favorite online retailer is the customer service and their amazing custom terrain and accessories. They are giving all of our North American listeners free shipping if you spend over $100 and use the promo code third floor spelled out one word. Thi Rd check them out a Gad zukes game.com. All the details are in the show notes. My coat is third floor now on to the episode. Do you have you found yourself killing friendly models to make sure that that happens and to keep the amount of summons under control. What are some of the key, you know core models that your find yourself always bringing in when you play in our ah me crew, really really quickly establish a route is to cruise missile one of these models in I don't feel good about that when my opponent doesn't feel good about that game not doing it anymore. You're never going to be short of something to do with her whether that's up close at range with us summoning or healing and helping the crew. The damage the 3-inch has the strain or in the middle of your crew can put out is not to be underestimated. Yeah, and how many wounds are she six wounds incorporeal terrifying 11 bad? No, it's not bad apples are really in the crew. There are you things better than stepping away from the screen unplugging and sitting around a table to do battle with your friends every week third floor Wars brings you the latest strategies tactics and reviews on board games card games and miniature games. Like malifaux if you want useful information on the games you already play all new insights on great games other people are playing you are in the right place Greg and Ray welcome you to the third floor and the tabletop talk broadcast Craig here on the third floor. Today. We're going to do a deep dive into the resurrectionist master. Keyer. I and how the your ah me crew. Ooh works and malifaux Third Edition. I guess the Jimmy Varney now, I've talked him into coming back after doing his gray Deep dive into Albus and if you have not listened to that episode, you need to fix that soon just grab it and take a listen and then episode he revealed while this may be one of the top tier Masters for the faction. Now, he's one of the leaders of the Flippin weirds over there in the UK and fuel argue that Jamie is considered one of the best resurrectionist players in the world. He's probably best known for exposing how nasty nikodem was and second edition, which of course Slide the weird hitting Nico hard with the Nerf bat So Jamie, welcome back to the third floor what Masters have been playing since we talked last? All right, great. Thanks having Megan a few different things. Actually. I've actually mostly been playing never born since we last spoke as a little bit of a project going into M3 because I've got the Reza's more or less ready to go until some new stuff comes out. So I'm interesting building and painting some never born just for a change and I wanted to try and run some Demos in a new store. We've got local a new store. To me locally. So want some other Crews ready to go and I think never bought especially like the teddy of stuff are so iconic and that malifaux sort of Interest. Yeah. I don't you can't get any more malleable than never born. I think it's one of those. I think it's the faction that defines to the makes a truly unique. So I've got to know what are the two masters you're going to dive into hard starting never born. That's how to say. I've been loving dreamer. I've obviously been loving the writer, but The tournament player in me. I'm really actually excited about your expertise. I'm not sure how competitive it will be. I think there's a few bits of his card that probably needed a bit of work before he was ready to print but as a theme, he's really cool and the way that his crew manipulates the deck and being able to cheat using top card of your discard piles. Really really cool. I also think nickim has got some real legs on the ground mechanic looks like it really works. That's that's great. Great news for all of the never born players out there, but let's get back to kind of our subject at hand. I want to focus on cry and of course your ah me crew and I'm going to ask Jimmy to dig deep into how he builds the crew how he plays them and what he sees is the best path to Victory when considering the opponent and the schema strategy pool. So Jimmy, can you kind of give us an idea? You know, what an overview on Karai looks like absolutely so here, I guess she works a little bit like she did it m2e. She herself I think is a bit more aggressive this Edition because she won't be doing as much summoning. She's probably more fragile than she was but that's comes comes back around when there's a lot of healing and her crew and in the faction so she can survive a lot more than your opponent thinks. She can she's she's got some interesting abilities. She's got some great actions on the back of their card. You're never going to be short of something to do with her whether that's up close. Range weather summoning or healing and helping the crew. She's got again a bit like Alba. She's got a lot going on. Now when you say that she's a kind of out in front a little bit. So before you would spend within a second additional what isn't that odd to have cry really backfield know absolutely that she's out. Yeah. She I think she plays a lot more aggressive in M3. Maybe not up front, but she will certainly not be too far away from the action. I think she's going to be using a lot of her time. In the spirit are eligibility, which is 12 inch range 2 3 4 damage attack. So she wants to be within 12 inches of most of your opponent's crew so that she can put that to good use because when when she summoning she's got that once per turn limit on it unless it's a curio so she needs to be doing something else with our AP. Yes. She does seem to play a lot different than into. I mean it wasn't out of the out of the realm Jamie to see her spend at least the first couple terms in the backfield, you know doing some summoning shenanigans. But what you're saying is that that's not really the case that she's playing a little bit forward in the field. Yeah. I mean she's not dying to me wrong. She's not right out the front but she she's in a more aggressive position. I think her crew plays more aggressively. She doesn't have the movement tricks in herself that she used to having him to eat. But her crew can be quite mobile and quite aggressive and she wants to be somewhere where she's got a good view of the board so she can see models to keep their adversary on without hatred ability so that she can use her spirit. Hours to finish models off and get the incidental summoning from it. So she wants she wants to be probably behind the rest of our crew but still debating a more forward position than she maybe she was in m2e. And do you think is that a function of just you know a change in her range or a change in how she plays what price drop the field? I think it's mostly not being able to use 3 AP to summon and the loss of swell Spirits. So swell Spirits gave gave her the ability to influence the board from quite a way away. Whereas now she wants to influence the board by we're actually still influencing the board, but she's influence in the boarding different ways. And I think she wants to be near her crew so she can protect herself. We protected your a me. She's got life leech as a really good defensive position. She doesn't really mind people getting a bit closer to her and she's got a she is built into a card now with an execute trigger, which is quite nice. So she's not as afraid to be up. Also, she was in the last edition. How does that defensive trigger work? So it's not a defense attorney is just protected your army. So it's discard a card to change the target of a enemy attack action to a friendly ear a me model within two inches. Nice. Yeah, I think we did a deep dive on Marcus with a Steven and I think Marcus has the same thing for Abby's absolutely and I obviously, you know positioning on matter, but that is that's a frustrating ability. Unless you're playing cry then then it's great. It isn't isn't it's if you can get enough hits on to it. It's very very hard to maintain. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. When you read a card if you always think that you always have cards when you're playing nice, but in the game suddenly don't have a full hand of cards and full of ones that you're happy to ditch for that ability. What now? Do you think she's more dependent on the rest of the crew? To you know to stay on the board or you know, because you kind of hinted that, you know, they help with her Mobility now, they helped her survive better. Now, I'm getting a sense that she really leans hard on the rest of that crew. Yeah. I mean the rest of the crew is what makes it what makes it work to on. Our own is good, but the crew really just brings brings it all together. She her cruise definitely not as Expendable as it was in Mt. Ee MMA and that's partly due to a change in summoning. It's it's the the stuff that the crew brings is excellent. Like you've got some really really strong choices in the crew. Especially her totem. She's yeah the the crew of the crews really integral to her. I'm anxious to hear about the time. But before we do that, can you kind of walk us through because her summoning is pretty unique and kind of mechanically how that summoning works and you know how it hurts her. Yeah, absolutely. So she's got a some national. Tobacco called blood and wind same as it was before. So once per turn she can name a you're a Me minion. And then the TN of the action is 10 crows plus the cost of the main model, but she's got a stat seven this time to slightly easier to bring in some of those higher cost models and then she can summon the name model anywhere within six inches of an attached of Vengeance upgrade to it. So the Vengeance upgrade gives them a little slow. It also means that every time time it activates kirai suffers one irreducible damage. So they're going to be hurting her as they activate. You've got to keep an eye on how many you've got on the board. Obviously that's going to be a maximum of five. But if all five of those are alive that's five damage per turn to cure. I it does also give them all a built-in Crow to their Final Duel totals of their Mellie actions and her summons all have the Remember the name of the ability now the Feast of Vengeance trigger, which is after killing an enemy model a friendly leader heels one two, three, and actually it's not just any models. It's after killing a friendly leader heels one two three, so they can help topper up again. Do you have you found yourself killing friendly models to make sure that that happens and to keep the amount of summons under control. I actually haven't and that's that's why I literally just looked at them when I was no not just enemy, but now I do I think you're not actually getting that money on the board. And the ones you are getting your sort of cruise missile in forward. And if you're if you're in a position where you've got two on the board, you're probably not summoning another one. Oh, I see what you're saying. So instead of just your automatically summoning every turn you might be in a situation. You see, you know, what to choose good and you know that drawbacks there and I would imagine Jamie that you know, if an opponent out there is going well boy, if I can keep this model alive, then it's going to hurt cry. You're not too bent out of shape if they let that happen. Not exactly and you you pick your salmon so I don't think your summoning the small models with cry because it's doing too much damage to her. So your summoning the big ones the ones they can't ignore in the ones if they do ignore that it's going to cause them a world of pain right there makes sense. Now, of course we have to talk about our totem. How does that totem play now and three a curio is amazing. So it's probably important to mention Vengeance while we're talking about Karai and the origami Me so they've all got the Vengeance ability on the front of the card which means after resolving an action that targeted and damage them the attacking model suffers plus 1 damage. So that's anywhere on the board. They're going to suffer plus 1 damage. So it is pretty tasty. If you're being hit by your opponent, then they're getting her back, which is always nice. But you going back to what you were saying. We have a curio so she is Vengeance one again. She's terrifying 11 incorporeal. She's quite quick move six. Time as opposed to her pitiful movement in the last Edition. She still still rubbish defense defense three, but she has got six wins this time. She has another ability on the front of a card called curious soul. And that means that she can be summoned by the blood and wind action as if she were a minion and if she summoned in this waste is she does not attach the Vengeance up going and ignores Chi rise once per turn use of that action. So acurio, you could keep bringing back. She's not doing here. I damaged she's not gaining slow. Whoa, she's a very very solid piece. Probably the biggest shout for a Macario is main attack, which is a one-inch stat, six with the Feast of engines built in already and its Target suffers, two three, four irreducible damage. And if the target is killed this model here was to irreducible damages so powerful in M3. So that straight away but secure are in a really really great spot. She's got a puncture trigger. She's gone onslaught. And then she's got that built-in Feast of Vengeance a great great utility be so you can keep bringing back over and over again and she does have a range attack range 10 projected voice to three blasts full blast pretty solid and then she's got shrug off to end a condition on her for by discarding card a really really solid model for free as well. Yeah. And how many wounds is she six wins in corporeal terrifying 11 bad? No, it's not bad but happily in the crew. Yeah in the that terrifying of course. This is nothing compared to what it used to be. It's much better defensive so good and yeah into yeah, it puts so much pressure on your hand and I didn't realize that until I started playing Sheamus and three. Yeah, probably just so much pressure. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt now in if I remember correctly to she would pop up if you hurt Karai is now the only way to get her on the board is is the Yeah, it was giving you can hear the story of the game because she should say to him and then if she dies which you want her to do which will go into later then you can summon her back in got it. How about offensively other than you know, I beliefs summoning some dangerous models does cry have some offense on her own she does. Yeah, so she's got the spirit barrage attack, which is 12 inch range that 6 targeting will power 2 3 4 damage. So pretty moderate damage track is ignoring. Friendly Fire she's got some cool Triggers on it. She can give our adversary. She got a coordinated attack on it, which is awesome. If a curio is nearby and then she has a trigger for enemies only after killing. She can summon a khaki with slow into base contact with the target. So the important thing to notice there is it doesn't come in with the end full Spirit upgrade. So that is a great way to get more models on the board without using her upgrades and damaging her. That's very neat. How is she? Importing the crew other than obviously bringing him on the board and we already talked about how you know, the crew is supporting her. Is there anything that she's doing that makes the crew better? So she's got a couple of options the main thing in my opinion. She does is if own of the front of our card but on the back of her car she's got sued Spirit which is a friend of your a me heels, one, two, three with a trigger to give shielded or trigger to give Focus. So solid heel and she's got I've got your back if something's in the wrong place, but she generally doesn't use that very much. The main thing she's got as a hatred ability on the front of a card which is when the adversary your Ramy condition would end on an enemy model within line of sight. She can suffer one damage if she does so the condition does not end. Well, that's interesting. So the crew doesn't have a lot of card draw doesn't have a lot of ways to get resources, but you can have adversary on key models and you can keep it there and this crew puts our adversary really easily now how often did in a fight, you know? Typical five turns how often are you taking advantage of that and taking that damage probably probably wants to one if I can get it on there. I'll probably keep it on a couple of models turn to I'll probably use it four or five times across the game to make sure I can kill those models that I need to the next turn or well with that coupled with, you know, the damage you're taking from activated summons. We're definitely going to have to learn how you are keep her on the board. So let's take a quick break Jaime when we get back. I want to talk about Um, you know how this crew is making sure the cry doesn't die. So let's talk about you know, some of the core models that are making up your ah me crew. 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So I think we you know, just like a lot of other Masters were seeing in three, you know cry does not play like she did in second edition, but boy, you know the way that you Jamie you're talking about her. It sounds like she still feels like her I even though she mechanically is different. I want to learn a lot more though about the crew because I'm getting the feeling that unlike samak morning which can who can kind of run on his own and a shame is who can run on his own it sounds to me like the crew is a critical piece for her. So what are some of the key, you know quorum Tools that your find yourself always bringing in when you play in a Rami crew. So if we put it into the category of must take so obviously you've got to carry any way that super I think you're going to take every single time. She is a solid solid model. She's again got the Vengeance ability terrifying 12, which is awesome. The other thing to remember with these terrifying models as that, they're great targets for protected your a me because if you pushing the attack from kirai on to them then forcing a Enjoy your opponent wasn't expecting. Right exactly. There's also got Lantern of Souls, which is amazing. It's enemy models within five inches ignore their demise abilities always useful. There are some really really gross demise abilities in the game of moment. Yeah in a weird one thing I learned in the episode with our with Drake is that that's a great anti McCabe technology. Yes. It is a Reza's have got a couple of models with it. So they're in a great place to stop those demise abilities. Its Every as well, is it amazing? Yep, jackdaws guilty and Montresor. There's some really really key models that you can shut down completely with ignoring demise abilities. So who else is making into the crews doing damage other than her totem? So you Takin Dasia before damage. She's got lucky knife, which is male 7 2 3 4 which is quite nice. Mostly you're taking half away sins. So it's 8 inch range stat 6 verses will power 2 3 5 damage and if they have adversary the attack receives a plus us to its damage flip. So that is +2 attack and plus the damage. It's got a trigger to give adversary if they don't already have it and then it's got the wrongfully adjudged trigger, which is after killing someone and on Rio with slow into base contact with the target again, another incidental salmon, that's not putting out that upgrade and on Rio are amazing in m34. Tell me about him. So on rio5 Stone minions, so you've done expect a huge. Profile Steinman in this incorporeal this got Vengeance one is got demise haunt, which is a key ability. You see on the Ontario and the go yo, so after this model is killed enemy models within to gain adversary. So really really quick way to get a brochure out as to cruise missile one of these models in kirai or want. If your opponent's not taken the bait you can even kill them yourselves just to put that the adversary out and a bubble and then Q I can make sure it stays on there. Yeah, and I think what's important about that adversary to point out to Jamie has is that really helps with the card pressure that you're having absolutely it it's in it's easy to underestimate, you know having those positives can be yeah, it's adversary is an amazing ability and it's it really takes the crew up another notch the on Rio and the go yo both share the mark of Vengeance bonus action, which is a 10 inch range a targeting willpower at stat5 in this case. It's Until the End phase the target cannot heal. That's nice segue ability again. There's some key models that you're really really going to hurt with that. It's not a condition. So once it's on there, there's nothing they can do about it until the end of the turn and then they it has the built-in trigger to give adversary. So again another way for this model give adversary and it's a bonus action at any age range. So 20-inch threat range on that. It's got I'm sorry Jimmy they never guess that's an ability to kind of to your point where you know, you may go three four games three or four different, you know, opposing Masters and it means Is nothing and in the right match up the it could be devastating. Yeah, exactly. Exactly that time it comes up against Jack door or something in a young low crew at the just loads and loads of options for it the and the on Rio for five stones to be honest. It's got some pretty decent combat attacks and it attack range attack. It's got sharp claws, which is 1 inch range stat5, two three, four with puncture and feast of engines and then it's got projected. 10 inch range two three, two, three blasts for blast with a trigger to give a distracted two models damage fire solid five soulstones absolutely solid model and we learned how you know, they can be somewhat incidentally by that. So by are you hiring them as well yet on to be honest generally higher two of them. It's a great way to the adversary out is some range threatened there as well that just solid models. I don't see why you wouldn't take now. Are you hiring any other damage output or do you find yourself summoning your damage output? I will occasionally higher to kuna as well and actually to be fair I say occasionally Joo Koon has quite a common higher and she's got some sideways damage output. She's Serene countenance with vengeance and incorporeal. So she's quite hard to deal with she's tormented which means if she's attacking enemy or as you upgrade she does get a little bit card draw for you. The main reason you're taking her is for her drowning Aura, which is a 3-inch hazardous Terrain. The damage the three-inch has this train or in the middle of your crew can put out is not to be underestimated. If you haven't had it happen to you. If you haven't been stuck with a model that does that and takes up a lot of space and it's quite hard to deal with you have no idea how much trouble it causes. What and she's on a 50 mil base. She is on a 50 mil base. She's incorporeal so she can move through stuff. There's plenty of ways in the rammy crew to move her out of a regulation as well. So if she's not in the right position you can make her move. Her into the right position and actually at that point if your opponent's activating doing a bonus action and then two other actions, that's three damage straight away from just standing and to whom has got a lawyer. She's got an all-white melee attack. She's got a decent range attack like she's a solid model anyway, so that's a that's a really nice bit of damage and then you've got Vengeance as well another tick of damage. There's just ticks of damage coming in with takuna as well. Yeah. I've been looking at her mostly, you know in the frame of of Jack Doyle, but boy sounds like she definitely has a place here too. Yeah, she's just as solid and you a me as she is in tormented and you'd hire in both quite quite often. How would other common tires? You've got the go. Yo you take I mean, I generally summon the Goyo rather than hunting but that's just because Q is got so many good hires. And generally you want to summon those big models in cause you want to keep them around. You don't want to be summoning too much. So Chicago me a quite a nice higher. They're a great scheme Runner or anti ski manner they can run up the flank steak models off. They've got a severe damage 6 with a punch or trigger. So it's quite easy for them to get that if you can. Decent crop much RAM in your hand and your opponent won't cheat generally for soul for a scheming or you can just take them off. And then if you do manage to kill a model with them, they then gain the Adaptive ability from their upgrade which again is just making them even more reliable at doing that. Francis I think you take most of the time for just a utility piece and he's probably one of the key pieces that's keeping killer I live so he is five Stones. He's got Vengeance. He's who himself has protected your a me as well, which is quite nice. He's again got that demise haunt ability. So if he does get killed is popping out adversary on everything within two inches. He's got the ever Amazing by your side. Yeah, which you don't use as often with him, but it can help him keep up with those key models that he wants to be helping. In a pinch you can be a scheme Runner. He's got soothe spirit. So great way to keep your I live here was one two, three, it can go a couple of interesting Triggers on it one that can give Fast out on one that can remove scheme, of course scope. Oh, where are my words today scheme corpse and scrap markers within two of the target. He's got dispel magic to end conditions with a trigger to give adversary if you're for some reason ending a condition on an enemy model. So solid model. Five soulstones keeping her alive, even if all he does with his turn is just to Spirit on her twice. He has been worthwhile. Yeah back then it sounds like he's got some nice versatility to yeah, I mean, he's conditioned removal and healing it's great. I mean you can take him if you're really really worried about it or you're planning on doing some real damage to cry you can take a bone pile as well as we know. I love bone piles. You sold me on them after the after the Albus episode. Yeah. Think that that super solid just because that healing that condition variable is a bonus action. It just frees up the rest of their actions to actually be a model at the same time, which is something you don't always get with those condition removal models. Yeah, and you think that you know, when you see the, you know, the fact that they have to take damage to heal. I think it's again on paper, it feels oppressive but it doesn't feel oppressive on the table. No, I'm so you know and it's really really easy to consider in your your actions are free because you're healing condition was abandoned after this really really easy to orchestrate them being near a corpse Parker at the end of their one of their actions to heal to which covers, you know to heels so, that's perfect. Yeah. So that's bone pile which of course are versatile. Is there any art of keyword or other versatile models that are always making it in to be honest? No, not really I've their stuff you could take I just don't think you would I think that the amount of adversary you're putting out with the crew you want. Keep it in keyword. You want to be taking the maximum advantage of that you can you want to be taking advantage of the Feast of Vengeance trigger that has common across their keyword to keep our top top on health and the other model is probably worth mentioning is the station. Oh, yeah. So station are to be honest a real struggle to summon because they are two Soul stones and Mindless and would get that upgrade. So I don't think you're ever summoning them, but you would hire them and you probably will hire. At least one or two maybe even three there. They've got the spiritual healing ability on the front of their card which means a friendly around me model that activates with into heels one again a really useful for Karai. They have a action on the back of their card which is 8 inch range need to 7 to go off but Target friendly Ramey may take a walk action. Brilliant. Yeah some extra movement from a to soulstone model mostly taking it for that. Healing the movement. The rest of its card is pretty underwhelming but it's worth it. Yeah, well a two stones how you can only ask so much right? Yeah. And again, it's another thing you can pass off a tax on tea with protected your a me and when they do die, they've got demise Expendable one so you get to draw a card nice and how about some help do we see Karai hiring any Masters? No, I mean, yes, you would hire Molly because the card draw would help care I so so so much. But again, I still stand stoic in the not wanting to hire a master the very very first entry event. We did in the UK was I drank here I folks it was a fixed master and I played one game where I took a second master, which was Sheamus to be a scheme Runner and he basically one me that game nice. At that point I was just like this is just this is that's that was I declare qira'at if Sheamus has completely out of theme. It's just not a good feeling. I don't feel good about that when my opponent doesn't feel good about that game not doing anymore. And yeah, so it's you could do I think if you were going to you take Molly for the card draw because I think that's going to help cure either most but I think again that sticking with the you want the Vengeance for the Pink's of damage you want to take advantage of the adversary of you want. Be taking advantage of the Feast of Vengeance. I think you're sticking mostly in keyword with her you and I really am falling in love, even out of faction with these Crews that you know, it's not just the tax that keeps you in faction. It's the you know, the solution multiplier of their abilities exactly. You know, why do I want to hire something that's not going to take advantage of the fact that everything has adversary and I don't know I like I like how that feels and you know for some Cruz I think you know Sheamus doesn't depend on that as much I'm not even sure rather does either within this faction, but it makes me happy. The cry really wants to stay in faction the same way that a couple of our other Masters do as well. Yeah, we've got some really good Mouse's for that. I mean Jack's really really a good example of that again as well the completely agree completely agree. All right, so we're going to kind of take this this from you know core to the full 50 Stones. So we'll take a break here Jamie when we get back. I want to talk about really what strategies do you see Karai excelling in and I want to know what your dream pool is. So we'll be right back Howdy Folks Craig here. Now if you love gadgets as much as we do you're going to love the new third floor Wars Gadget bundle from sooner Labs branded with the logo of your favorite. Fast it comes with two measuring multi-tools a compass stepper for those tight and important movements along with a compact dashboard to track your turn Strat and scheme scoring along with your soul stones and past tokens. It is the perfect bundle for anyone who plays malifaux or just wants to look cool while doing it. The link is in the show notes check them out and help support your favorite gaming podcast. Okay, so now we've got a good idea if you know how you know, Jamie is you know building the core. I think it was really interesting to understand what models he was hiring versus summoning. And I think one of the big takeaways is hiring small and summoning big because of that damage tax that comes with your summons. But Jamie, I want to get an idea, you know of the four strategies plant explosives turf. Are corrupted Idols Reckoning? Which one do you think she's best in? She's she's a bit of an all-rounder most probably even more so than Elvis is but I think Reckoning is one of our better ones. She's got a very aggressive crew that and put our love reliable damage. It also hurts your opponent to be attacking them. So it's costing them resources in terrifying tools. They're doing less damage because of incorporeal they're taking damage back because of Vengeance if you can get your kuhne in there. They're taking damage through the Hazardous terrain as well so I can make it a really hard crew to get Reckoning off. And again, you can build a crew. She's got plenty of Tanki models. She's got plenty of terrifying. She's got plenty of high wound hard to deal with models. So you just start you don't hire as many of the smaller as you build a reckoning grew with her and you can again keep that very in keyword. Yeah, and I would imagine Jimmy the you know, the abilities that are softening the opponent over time are really setting you off to be able to potentially We score the third fourth Point Reckoning which can be really hard to do. Yeah, the during a law actually. So those they're saying you're up for that. They're also setting you up perfectly for these incidental summons off of Kauai about cyber as well and making it a big big swing when things start to go down. Hmm. So in a reckoning pullers, are there some schemes that you you know, really like to have in that same pool with her. Kilroy cries got with a Crosshair keyword. She's got a lot of different models that can do a lot of different things. So, So she she can approach most of the scheme's Fairly confidently. She likes to she doesn't really want to stretch the crew out a million miles away from her. She's got models that can reach out. I think the Chicago made probably the safest one to but Jackie a pretty solid for for soulstones. They got a 5-inch move Vengeance an incorporeal so they can just run across the board. But she more wants to keep things fairly close together. We're all the models can support each other. She's got the ability for her other models to move them around with their guide. Ability she can heal them. So I think she likes the ones that play around where her crew wants to be and the center of the board almost we talked about Chicago melamed. Is there other who else is dropping scheme markers and flip and turf first markers for you other than the Chicago may only have a pretty good friend and you're taking them for five cells times about then it's not going to get in the way of their main function for me, which is putting the adversary out. They've got a ranged attack as well. So they're perfectly happy to hang back Sam. Mon Dieu the turf markers and they are fairly fairly quick that incorporeal form mu V. So they're going to move fairly quickly up the board because they ignore the train in the way so they can go and play skee markers where they need to. Can you give me a few of your typical turn one with her. I like to know, you know, maybe even turn one and two how is she spending her three actions in her bonus action? Okay. So the main the main trick has Isn't actually a kirai the main trick is a curio and I'm going to hate myself for this by thing. I've said elsewhere anyway, but You want to the term one is about setting a Cairo up to kill something and die. So you want a curio. Ideally you would like to activate a carryover for kirai. If you can with Francis. If you've got a crow of five or more in your hand to Target a curio with soothe spirit with burnout to give a fast and then you can push up the Border Station or - Sheba at that point a The Steamrollers into something and starts hitting it for irreducible damage. It's great for Masters. It's great for henchmen. It's going for anything with armor anything with horrible weird defensive damage reduction Tech and then you just have are in the middle of your opponent's crew a bit like you were talking about with Alex that speed bump that your opponent needs to deal with and then if a curio dies, you can summon her back with Korean have another go with her against just it's okay. I can have someone a six inches further for the curio can activate again because it's a new model that the whole game with Kira is basically rise. Basically summoning a Goyo or a Saoirse coma or something with one of our OB, but the rest of the game is getting as many activations with a curio as you can in the game God that's nasty. If you can get to in a same turn you're looking you're looking for to return if you got to atone, you're playing at Peak with Karai because the irreducible damage is phenomenal if you can get a cheeky for Stone they're from France as well. You're getting more if you can get her in there and have Spirit barrage with coordinated attack for extra tax. There's there's a lot of it's all about that images will damage from a curio and there's no safety of your opponent kills her. I've actually many many times killed a curio myself to get another activation out of her. Yeah, it would be worth it because you get so many of our so much value out of her AP exactly. You you Tom one you get adversary on your opponent's key beater or your opponent's Master. You can keep it there with two Riders and then acurio just goes over and over again until it's got it curio is a really key piece to the screw. Everything else can sort of work in tandem. But Kira is activation is about topping up with a big model like a go yo, or she came a and then getting that curio train going and if and ideally to activation of the term and that is that is when they screw is playing at its best and the boy That got to be frustrating and demoralizing for your opponent just to kill her bring her back killer bring it back and you know the decision of knowing if I do kill her and cry has not activated yet. I'm going to literally see her again, even before the end of this turn will not say you put yourself in a position where you either deal with a carry-on and she's coming back or you don't and she is in your way. She is a 50 mil model. She's going to be engaging you. She's going to be where you want to be I can move around if you do disengage from her. And if you stay in combat with her and choose not to deal with her and then cure I can activate and just start using coordinated attack to get her attack to attack again, like if you're not going to kill a curio and it's better or it's more. What's the word I'm looking for as more economical. Let's go with to have a curio attack through coordinated attack and to kill her yourself because I mean if I've got a curio in Your master with adversary on your master. I will happily spend three soulstones frog coordinated attack to get a curio to attack three more times and kill you. This is probably gonna sound embarrassing but I have no shame when it comes to the quality of how I perform on the table, but I honestly had not thought about how you really should focus on Masters and henchman when you have your when you're dealing irreducible damage, which I know sounds really silly. But it when you set it a light bulb went off that. I've always just thought you know, yeah it reduced. Was great for a lot of things but focusing on the Masters in henchmen when you have that damage is a big deal. Yeah, there's there is no almost no way around it unless they've got a resist ability or a protected ability. They don't have an answer to it you they can't soulstone it. They can't there's no Shield. It doesn't work. Alma doesn't work. It's just scary. And if you've got if you're facing a puppet master that does have those things then you could still send it in. Just force those resources out or you go after their henchmen you go after their big betta. Yeah, that's strong. That's try. I like I said, it sounds silly. But I just never really thought about you know, getting the max value out of that out of that irreducible damage. That's good. All right, Jimmy. Let's take another quick break and when we get back, I want to talk about two things. I want to talk about how you play against her. Just like with the Albus beside you and I did, you know, we're get this far into the episode and it sounds like she's just Unstoppable but revealing some of the weaknesses I Will be helpful for those out there that both player and play against her but I also want to talk about some second level play when it comes to cry. So we'll be right back howdy friends. Did you know on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free? You don't even need a premium account Spotify. As a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including your favorite pod tabletop talk from third floor Wars on Spotify is easy to follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline. Wherever you are. They make it easy to share what you're listening to with all of your friends on Instagram. So help support all of the content coming from third floor Wars and download the Spotify app search for tabletop talk on Spotify or Browse podcasts in the your library tab, make sure to follow us so you never miss an episode of tabletop talk. Okay, sometimes when you you know, you do a deep dive on a master and a crew they sound just impenetrable, but we know that that's not the case so Jamie if I'm playing Karai, what do I need to watch out for? What am I afraid of or if I'm playing against Karai? What do I need to consider when I'm building my crew? So it's you can more or less play against Qi with whatever crew you're putting on the table. It's not a case of having to approach her in a different way. If you've got ruthless models that's going to help you. If you've got models with access to shielded easy access to shielded circuit overcome that Vengeance healings always useful because you're going to be taking a little clinks of damaged Cruiser. We'll reach in is going to help but mostly it's the way you the way you act on the board so don't don't chart into model and take two hits focus and then charge it you're often going to be facing terrifying. You're always almost almost always going to be facing incorporeal and Vengeance. So you don't want to be doing two hits you want to be doing one big hit to minimize the impact of the one damaged they suffer less from incorporeal and the That we do suffer from Vengeance and there's a there from a hand pressure. Standpoint Jamie. There's a there's a multiplier with that approach isn't there because if I go in and I do two attacks with terrifying, I'm looking at two potential cheats to make them pit and to potential cheats to get through the terrifying. I like that advice where I if I focus I'm really consolidating the pressure that I already have against me. Yeah, and there's so many layers to it because it is the it will affect terrifying where that's relevant on the models it Will affect incorporeal and it'll affect Vengeance. So there's no there's no reason not to do it. You're always going to be better to focus the attack against almost all of their models putting pressure on Korea's always good in the crew. It's cheese. If you're close to her. She's healing when you activate and your suffering one damage, which again is another plink of damage. She's damaging you with vengeance as well. And there is plenty of healing in the group, but her defending herself with protected you a me is very very cold intensive and she can't really afford it. I think for me you pick your pick your models. I think if you can deal with a curio any other way than killing her you're probably in a good place distracted isn't great because adversary normally I can tracks that but if you can slow her stagger her just get her away stun her Deuce anything you can just to minimize the impact and then you can leave her alone because you don't want to be killing a curio and your opponent will be trying to force you to kill it. Oreo or make your life really hard by not doing so Francis is a great one to kill because he is doing a lot of healing if you're going for who are you probably want to kill Frances first? Hmm. Yeah. I think that's probably the best advice I can give now at this is very specialized but I would think burying a curio would be good getting her off the board and also may be preventing the Karai player from killing her to get that second. Raishin. Yep. I'm potentially depending on where your own Berry special issue ends up because you may or may not be doing yourself any favors with that certainly forgetting about your way. Yes, but if it depends where she's going to come back up as to how helpful that is because she can still come up out of a tiny. I mean, she's got a range 10 attack so she can come up do that twice and then you could your opponent could then look at trying to kill if he really Themselves I could definitely see that I can definitely see that. All right, so I'm going to kind of Blow Your Horn stroke your ego a little bit here Jamie and plug your podcast at the same time. So probably the thing that I liked the most about your podcast is I think that you have a very unique ability to find hidden things about models and Cruz and Masters and I think the nikodem thing was a good example of that and one of the things I We you know tried to pick up from you was what were things that you don't see, you know, when you read the cards, what does things that you don't see when you play a model or a crew one or two or three times? What is something that comes really at the second level of play and you did a great job with that when we talked about Albus, so I'd like to know, you know with you know, 10 or 15 games under your belt. What are you going to see in a Karai crew that you maybe didn't see at the beginning the the carrier thing we've discussed at length is only one of the main things that I picked up the after playing some games with her and actually how you could use that ability that summon the way she interacts with you. I summon to have multiple activations. It's about actually you do not fussed about taking hits. You're just letting that that Vengeance plink off you're taking less damage because of incorporeal they're taking damage as they hit you and then you'll know that super to finish and then someone a model on top And it's that trade again trading models, which is always great. So Q I can do it. That's if I can do it and there's there's models in your crew that you want your opponent to kill you want them to kill a curio because they're taking damage as they do it and you can bring her back you want them to kill the on Rio and they go yo because they're pulsing out those that adversary when they die and they're doing damage as you're killing them. It's it's a little bit backwards, but it's you don't worry too much about your models dying but you put them in a position where it's hard for your opponent to to ignore the models that you want them to kill I said at the beginning that the crew is less Expendable and it is to a degree but you're less worried about those key models because the models you're putting in a position to die. They're to die for a reason or an appreciable benefit when they die and the vengeance is going to help you as they're being killed don't I like that a lot? I think that's excellent advice. I have yet to play a game with her. I didn't have her built already into and I still don't have her built already here and three. So this was a very helpful, Jamie and I appreciate it. So Jamie for those that want to hear more from you outside of this podcast. Where can they go? Not much has changed on the podcast right? There is a trend we've been trying we've got Scottish GT in the third week of July and we are talking about having to get together to do a podcast after that because it has been a long long time. So you may find a podcast from us. Then we had big plans about doing lots of N3 content like you're doing but I think that's just not us. We are talking about reports and I agree talkin about how weird weekends away and I think that's probably where we're going to stay. So we will we're all going to we're all going up to Scott Ashley T. So we will probably do a podcast after that. I'm not going to guarantee it because every time I guarantee it never happens, so we will we will hopefully do one. Well if you don't I'm telling you right now. Just going to invite all of you guys on to the show. We'll do it here. Yeah, that's why I'm sure that'll come on. I'm sure they will all come on. Well, that's great. Now what will do doll so Jamie's I'll put your your Twitter handle and the show notes so that people can follow you on Twitter as well. My friend another great episode and I appreciate you taking the time to join us and I'm going to probably lean on you again. Yeah, no worries. I'm happy to come on. Just let me know if you want me on for another master or anything else. That sounds great my friends. Good idea, maybe when I win Scottish TTI. I mean that's a foregone conclusion. Isn't it? Absolutely absolutely. It'll be interesting. Jamie is we're recording this, you know in mid-june, but it may not come out till right around the time of the Scottish GT. So people listening might actually know the answer or there might be somebody right now driving to the Scottish GT hearing you say that I don't think anyone would be surprised. I think I've got that's quite a reputation of I did a little bit arrogant. So I drive with it described. That's exactly what it says on the tin. That's funny. It's that arrogance its confidence Jamie. Yeah. Wow, you got it. You got it. They are Nia. That's right. All right, everybody. Take care so long. Thanks for listening sure to rate and write a review on this podcast so we can find more people almost as cool as you are. Check us out on Facebook Twitter and YouTube by searching for a third floor Wars. That's th ird. We'll catch you next time on the third floor.

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It's time for a new era of communication the swine industry one that you can get the latest updates while commuting or driving to Farms here. You have the brightest mind of the global swine industry in your pocket in a stall barn. Typically. We don't know where those gilts versus older cells are going to be located. So we feed a common diet which commonly over over formulates those nutrients for the older South. Who are done growing and just needing maintenance and the development of the growing fetus? Welcome to sign it podcast. My name is Marshall and Salvage your host for today's episode. Swine it podcast is only possible with the support of forward-looking and Innovative companies, like gestahl always one step ahead and Swine feeding every Pig a simple yet powerful Pig health and production management tool Newt request experts serving producers delivering breakthrough Solutions and simple essential trace minerals exceptional performance. 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I'm originally native of Northwest, Ohio and I migrated to the Midwest when I went to Kansas State University and pleaded my masters and PhD in swine nutrition there, which is where Marcio and I first met up my focus throughout my graduate career as well as now in my job with just all focused on sows feeding modern South and It really all started for me with my first internship was with Dan bread now DNA up in Nebraska and I think I got put on the night shift production internship as we were looking at the impact of feeding sows three times a day instead of two times a day by hand and feeding at night versus during the day and this was a good job for an intern during the summer of my junior year in college, but it got me I guess acquainted with some of the challenges with feeding. vows and lactation and gestation and I guess got me a little bit hooked on the challenges and opportunities that exist in sow research and in maximizing productivity and sows and that's what led to some of my follow-up work in my graduate degree looking at feeding lactating sows and I spent a year in Australia on a Fulbright scholarship and came back from that to start my PhD looking at stimulating estrus and lactating sows which involves Fairly creative ways of feeding and managing sows in the farrowing crate. So that background really set the foundation for me as I transitioned into my role with just all where I started in 2015 as their nutritionists, but their Global team as well as the US business manager and since that time I've been heavily involved in working with just all customers on and gestation housing and design as well as feeding their lactating sows Electronics out feeders and eat more recently working. On Research Barn design and Judy use and so working in this technology space as well as working in the building design space as given me kind of a unique perspective, which is I think a good subject for the discussion today as I've been a nutritionist that's gotten involved in building design and strategies relating to infrastructure as I found in a lot of the retrofit facilities. He's and building facilities. A lot of the no nutritional opportunities that we may know physiologically makes sense. I've been hard to execute due to limitations in barn design. And so I wanted to spend some time our CEO and the audience today going over some of the things that I've come across in my experience living on both the building and design standpoint as well as the traditional nutritionist perspective. This is great. Thanks hired for the for that introduction there. And and yeah, I mean not many nutritionists are involved in design. And and so that's going to be great. And then also balancing right the performance the economics the science what is ideal from a biological standpoint? What can we Implement? So so I look forward to the discussion. Yeah, one point that I guess it's been interesting to me and I especially see this with a lot of our larger systems in the u.s. Today. We have talented people that are focused on specific areas. Obviously option nutritionists would be one of those but often those same companies have counterparts that work in the building design a capital investment type of the equation and I feel sometimes one of the downsides Of larger systems is that everybody can sometimes get trapped in their silos of knowledge and this can be a limiting factor for us. Sometimes as I will bring some questions to the conversation with those who are building the design for the new South Arm and you can tell that they haven't thought about it from a nutritionist perspective and although we're all busy people and we know that there's only so much time in the Today, I think including the nutritionist in having a set of eyes on new building layouts is important to understand. What can we do from a feed system design approach to execute some of those known opportunities in terms of sound nutrition. And that's that's I guess where I want to dive a little deeper on some of the things that we talked about today Marcio very nice. Sounds good. So let's let's think through the production cycle of the sow and Start off with a GD you and in your thoughts their hat. Yeah. Well, I think the gdu design could be a topic for a completely different podcast as well. And so I'm going to maybe just prep surface allow us to dive a little deeper on the South Side. That's really my bread and butter but I've seen a lot of comments from nutritionists and production people lamenting the fact that we struggle to get gilts fed right in the growing stages. for they enter the South Farm and I think it's it's pretty clear that we have a high turnover rate in our saw heard and it's interesting to me that although we averaged over fifty percent annual replacement rate and our herds, you know, Canada, for example one country to the north is averaging a replacement rate around 45% those so it shows that there's some opportunity to improve some things in terms of Sal longevity and I think a lot of that starts with gdu design Where I guess I really get frustrated is the fact that I don't see a lot of innovation in gdu design and they often get left as an afterthought in the building equation, even with though we know that those females are the Next Generation and there's a lot of value in getting them fed right to have a higher selection rate and maybe a higher retention rate after they enter the herd because one of the most concerning things to me is the number of animals that leave the herd before they reach their second parody. I don't think nutrition is the only part of that equation obviously stocking density and genetics reproductive factors are all really important traits, but it does concern me that many GD use especially smaller to medium-sized on-site G use struggle to get gilts phase fed properly and Oftentimes aren't feeding them additional nutrients that might be needed for a developing female such as supplemental vitamins trace minerals. So I think there's definitely an opportunity and gdu space to rethink our design equation in particular body condition management is a challenge area that many people comment struggling to keep gilts lean enough while growing properly to enter the herd with the right type of reproductive status that being said finding a way to get them. Growing but not too fat as they enter the herd is important because it's well known that you'll see get too fat too early have limit. It affects their lifetime memory development and milking capacity and we all know the consequences of animals that are too fat and gestation on their stillborn rates and lactation feed intake post farrowing so I don't have a Panacea on On on the gdq design, but I it does concern me when we have G to use that are designed and implemented poorer than even finishing guilt or finishing pigs. I think it's important that we get them phase fed properly and if it's deemed appropriate to add supplemental vitamins and trace minerals. I think we need to get that into him at the right time. That being said the body condition side of the equation is challenging because simply increasing fiber in the diet doesn't seem to be a quick fix either. Since the guilt can compensate and just have higher intake. So I think there's still some opportunities out there for people Innovative minds or our new technologies to find ways to keep those gilts growing without necessarily over conditioning the higher-end take animals and pain. Yeah, that makes total sense. Hyah. One thing that I would add as well as just call for Guild development research. It feels like we have more more research than guilt. And then if that's something you you would agree. Yeah, I'd agree with that because I do get asked a lot to help with gdu design whether it's involved in just all equipment or not and I struggle sometimes to find Strong case within the literature to apply specific feeding methods or strategies. So we're often times reverting back to experience and large-scale data that maybe isn't backed up in science as as robustly as I'd like to so with more of a foundation that would allow me at the execution stage to be able to back up recommendations with science more effectively. Very nice. Cool. So that's from transition into just a Ation fitting hired. What are your thoughts there? Yeah. So I've had the opportunity to work with quite a few cell farms in my four years with Jess doll in their transition to pain housing and with that transition depend housing. It creates some opportunities to have some conversations about how we're going to modify the feeding strategies for these sows and and different Farms are at different points as far as how Progressive or or Futuristic they want to be in terms of eating strategies, but I think at the very least we open the door for some opportunities when we convert to group housing to implement some known opportunities that we haven't done historically in a 100% gestation stall barn system. Probably the best example of this would be the opportunity to feed parity specific diets. And while you could get down in the weeds and get more specific Beyond this I think a very attainable goal and one that would accomplish a lot in terms of feeding the South's to their nutritional requirements and and economically having a payback would be splitting your sour heard in half and feeding the younger animals. So let's say gilts and Ones representing approximately 50% of your heard a separate diet from your P2 plus animals who genuine who generally are going to have a lower amino acid as well as lower calcium and phosphorus requirements in a stall barn. Typically. We don't know where those guilts versus older cells are going to be located. So we feed a common diet which commonly over over formulates those nutrients for the older South. Who are done growing and just needing maintenance and the development of their fee of the mammary tissue our development of the growing fetus. So with Pain Group housing, for example, there's a lot of data from a behavior and Welfare standpoint that we can minimize aggression and improve reproductive outcomes by parity segregating animals. So we already should be grouping animals young and old Group housing. So to me, it's just one more extension of what we should already be doing to design a sale barn to have a separate feed system for those pens that are geared towards young animals to feed them a higher lysine iron calcium and phosphorus diet relative to the older sell pens and you know, depending on your costs and your area and what nutrient levels you're willing to hang your hat on for those. I think it's going to vary a little bit about what that economic payback is, but just using some 2018 numbers that I had put together for some models for customers. I was seeing a payback of around two dollars to 250 us per inventoried female by feeding parody segregated diets. And so if you think about the the added cost of a couple more bins and another chain disc unit. You can pay back those extra infrastructure related costs within a couple years regardless of feed costs and especially as we look to this year where we're looking to have a little higher input costs it certainly with worth putting a pencil to some of these opportunities as you think about barn design on the front side. Very good. Yeah. That's that's quite a bit of a fairly quick payback any other thoughts in gestation hat. Yeah. You know what? One of the other byproducts of moving to a pen gestation type of scenario is that we by proxy get the later mid-to-late gestation animals in a separate area the barn from the early gestation animals most us Farms converting to group housing are keeping thousands stalls through Prague Czech. So somewhere around 35 to 42 days is the most common by having those thousands stalls and the vast majority of the animals that are in the Stalls being an early gestation. This does create some opportunities to consider feeding a dedicated early gestation diet. There probably needs to be some more research in this area to validate some of the early work that's been done. But there are some feed additives that have been shown internationally to show some benefits in terms of pregnancy rates as well as ovulation rates and embryo survival. And while those feed additives may or may not have the economic payback. If you had to feed them throughout just station by having captive group of animals in early gestation. It allows you to Focus an added cost of a feed additive into those first trimester pregnancy animals that are installed. So I think there's some opportunity to dive a little deeper on feed additives for early gestation because with most new Farms using some form of group housing we have the ability to dial the to dial down that diet for the sows installs as one that's primarily for those in early gestation. Very good as you walk through Farms had a any general comments own body condition management and those those areas definitely in gestation, whether it stalls or pens. I think this continues to be an area that really goes back to execution and I see some Farms that do a better job than others and some with varying levels of technology that is used more or Effectively, but body condition management remains a challenge, especially when we get into labor issues calibrating your box drops and stalls or in stanchion pens is something that often is done wrong. I remember Wayne cast telling me one time that he thought one of the worst things that was done was putting numbers on the box drops and they thought they should be letters because it's all tied back to bulk density and not not an actual weight inside those boxes. And I think that was a very accurate view because I see a lot of challenges and getting those box drops of just it just because it's a labor labor driven task and we're short on labor and most are self arms today. So we need to make it easy with with different types of electronics. I'll feeders. I definitely give my customers tips on how to minimize the amount of adjustments they have to make you can you can assign sows to a body condition. Curve when they enter the pens, but you can assume that they come back into the right body condition if they get fed fat diet or a skinny diet for a certain number of days one thing that is unseen done wrong is if you if you assign a saw to a thin body condition curve when they enter the pens that's a day 35. If you feed her a thin diet, which might give her five or six pounds instead of the routine for four and a half pounds. Ed's if you feed her that for 70 days she often becomes a fats out and kind of You know, you lose the lose the opportunity that you had by getting those housed fed better. So designing your feed curves with electronics out feeders. The right way is something that can really optimize your feed use and prevent that roller coaster effect of thin sounds becoming fat and fat cells becoming thin but the same thing can happen in more rudimentary systems where we end up overfeeding the group to try to manage the thin sows in the pain and ultimately that ends up just And you bigger sows that have a higher maintenance requirements because we end up just increasing the mature body size of your spouse and that probably goes all the way back to the gdu Marcio where you we overfeed them to keep them growing and we end up making gilts that are a little bigger framed and have a higher body mass than maybe they need to and that has a recurring cost and just their daily maintenance requirements. Well said any other comments before we move to the transitional South High on I just say that on the body condition aside. I have seen more and more people utilizing objective measurements like the South caliper or flanked measurement tapes. Some do back fat. Although I see that being done better on really high performing Farms. Where as we're we're struggling on labor. It's hard to get an accurate back fat and do it routinely so having a simple but objective measurement tool is definitely better than eyeballing it because we have so many different subjective. Visuals for different workers and the farm and different managers. So having some type of objective measurement tools definitely a recommendation of mine to minimize. Unnecessary adjustments or inaccurate adjustments very nice. If I feel that the caliper got a lot of traction in the US as well as in other countries, definitely good. Alright, so feeding the transition cell Hyatts. What are your thoughts? Yeah. This is definitely been an area that I think is gaining a little more attention and traction and I think some of it is rooted in. It's because we really in a lactating sound just saying so we're really not that far removed from a dairy cow and and the dairy nutritionists have been applying transition diets for a long time. I think it was only a matter of time until we started looking at what they're doing and seeing whether we can capture any of those same benefits. That being said, I think there's still a lot of opportunity for more research in this area, and I'm probably not the best one to go into depth on. Different nutrients or strategies from the from the ingredient and formulation side, but I've seen more and more people that are talking about transition diet strategies that include supplemental fiber added micronutrient select such as choline carnitine citric acid or B vitamins and still see some people that are talking about dietary electrolyte balance, but I think from a feeding strategy standpoint that's something I can comment on further. And just like in humans, I believe and it's pretty clear dating back to some data from the 90s from boskamp. That sounds just like pregnant pregnant humans can get gestational diabetes and this can really cause them to have difficulty with glucose tolerance. And I think the subpopulation of sows that we see really struggle around the Perry Park during that period some of those that might get attributed. Did with that crash after they Pharaoh or or MMA related to mastitis metritis and agalactiae might be related to some of the differences in glucose tolerance among sows that those who get gestational diabetes and that don't and really interesting study that was done by Peter teal at Aarhus University in 2017. They looked at the frequency of meals that were fed prior to Fair owing and the impact on their Darling performance and farrowing performance and they found that sows that a de Mille closer to the time of the onset of fair owing. Were more likely to complete Fair owing more quickly and reduce the number of stillborns they had so that was something that I thought was a an interesting study and it showed that maybe there is some upside to feeding these sows at 6:00 hour intervals or eight-hour intervals and the recommendation that the author's had from that study was feed sounds at least three times a day pre Pharaoh. But tying that together with feet allow its pre Pharaoh, which is one of the That I see a huge amount of variation among my customers in the US and globally there appears to be some very long held beliefs very similar to what we had with bump feeding not very many years ago Marcio and you and I have had conversations in the past about bump feeding and I think the research has has helped move that conversation forward but pre furrowing feet allowance seems to be an area that there is people that I work with that. At want to feed as little as three or four pounds pre pharaoh to those who want to feed full feeding pre pharaoh. And I would say that although there is some decent data out there the data that is out. There hasn't moved the decision of those who view it differently and I think it's an interesting area that needs a little bit more emphasis placed on it from the nutritional Community because it's something that we can manage and manipulate but If we're over feeding them unnecessarily pre Pharaoh. There's a cost to doing that and it made exasperate exacerbate issues with over conditions house, but simultaneously for underfeeding those sounds pre pharaoh and were causing problems related to constipation or gestational diabetes. I think we need to dive a little deeper on preferably feet allowance and make sure we we have a uniform set of recommendations across the nutritional community. Interesting. Yes, I'd say that from the data. I've seen that, you know feeding for a couple days. It's probably fine. But then if for some people in some countries that transfer the cells more than five days prior to fairing that's you know, that's where we can start having problems. I agree and I definitely have that farrowing customers who maybe need to implement that differently than those who fear a And we'll load the rooms pretty close to the time of farrowing that being said, you know, I have I have one customer I can think of that that he's convinced that on the day of fair owing. The South should receive zero feet and should be focused on on the farrowing process and and he has outstanding performance. So I will definitely say there's there's some devils in the details there that I don't know that there's a one-size-fits-all approach, but I can say that there's definitely some Some deep rooted beliefs that different producers and production systems have that there's not a there's not a consensus among the production systems. I've worked with in the US or globally and maybe that that indicates that we need a dive a little deeper in the research in that area. That makes sense good. So let's jump into a lactation higher ed. What are your thoughts there? Yeah. Well the one that jumps out to me on lactation that I think is a missed opportunity. Need as far as I see outside of the US more and more production systems that are implementing parity segregated feeding and lactation and just like the conversation we had in gestation. There's some known opportunities and getting those P ones and and guilts fed higher nutrient density diet because we know their intake limited and lactation, but yet still have some of the same productivity capabilities as an older sow and so I've seen people add a separate feed line that feeds a portion of each farrowing room a different diet so they can get a specific diet to guilt crates that seems to be a relatively simplistic way of getting it fed all the way up to some research that's going on right now with customers using some of our feeders to blend a high and low amino acid diet at different stages of lactation to best match the nutrient requirements of the South. Per day of lactation. I think it's still early days on that but we definitely know that the nutrient requirements of the South vary wildly from early gestation to Mid gestation to the last week of sorry early lactation to second week of lactation and third week of lactation and yet we routinely feed a common lactation diet throughout throughout a South farrowing period so it's interesting to me to start getting some um data back and look at the benefits of keeping Sal's from going into a catabolic State and as much as anything just feed savings because when we form a basal diet across the entire herd were generally formulating that to closer to the guilt or P ones requirements at Peak lactation. And what ends up happening is we over formulate the diet for a lot of the days of a sow's lactation period so there's some major diet savings that we could Sure, some of the early data that we have indicates that there's times in a multiparous sows lactation that because she's eating so much feed. She really may only need a point seven five two point eight lysine diet and and that's obviously quite a bit lower than what we routinely feed as a basal diet. One of the other areas that to me is a an opportunity for us. So herds is outside of the US. I see more people successfully Implement wet/dry feeding and lactation and we've embraced wet/dry feeding in grow finish in the US and the benefits in terms of feed intake a well-known there the data's pretty conclusive on the lactation side to that. You can see a bump and around 7 to 10% and Intake with lactating styles that are fed wet dry. But the hesitation that always is shared in in the US as how to manage the hygiene of the feed bowl with what dry feeding and lactation and I think that's a legitimate concern but not an insurmountable one. If you design your feed system the right way or capitalize on some automated feeders that can minimize food waste but the benefits to wet dry and lactation are definitely there if you can successfully implement it and we're always struggling It more intake into these thousand seven to ten percent bump and feed intake. It's definitely something that we don't want to ignore if the opportunity's there right any other General come in and design or feeding Hyatt before we jump into our three questions. Yeah. Just the last thing I would say in lactation is that it just like the fact that we move the needle forward on bump feeding in gestation. I still see a lot of variation within Independence and larger. All systems relating to the amount of feed post pharaoh, and I think it's pretty clear in the literature and and from the research that's been done that we should be given these sows, you know close to if not full feet allowance in early just early lactation and that being said it's not always being done on Farm today and that shows that maybe that isn't trickling down from the production manager or nutritionist level to the actual execution steps in the barn. And so I think there's still an opportunity for us to have a louder voice there and make sure that we're getting these cells on full feed immediately post fairly. Successful fitting Fresh Feed and ready to roll could do not request. The liver is targeted breakthrough solutions to animal producers via nutritional and no nutritional products services and Technologies and new to request. We believe in Ingenuity inspired by servitude and that our success comes from helping producers realize improved profitability through Demised technologists and efficient operation. It is time to our famous. Alright Hyatt. So the three questions we ask every guest every episode. What is your favorite swine related book? Yeah. So I appreciate you asking and probably the one that's been the most useful for me may not come as a surprise to many but the book by Chantal Farmer on the gestating and lactating sow is a reference material that I like and use regularly. That's that's probably my favorite one. Especially with the amount of soil work that I do. It's a great reference in resource. Good book. And what is your favorite book unrelated to pigs? Yeah. This one was a little tougher for me. I'm an Avid Reader. I do listen to probably as many audio books as anything because of the amount of time I spend on the road, but probably the one that I guess would be the most interesting to anyone is a book called Born to Run by Christopher McDougall and definitely a motivational book, but one that's backed up by By some pretty interesting historical stories. And so it's a it's a great read but also a dynamic one. That's not not a lecture-based book interesting. I think I think that one is in my list. I haven't haven't gotten that one. Very nice. Alright, the last one is what separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Yeah. I think this is a tough question, but you know for my experience as I Entered the workforce I think. One of the things that separates those of us that are having success is just real slat level knowledge of the production system being able to understand production flow and numbers as well as tying that together with with nutrition. That's what's maybe help me be successful and just combining that with a good work ethic and that's something that that I tell people that to get a PhD you may or may not be really smart, but Definitely shows that you've been willing to put the work in and I think in this day and age we sometimes struggle to find workers that are willing to put in the type of work ethic needed to be successful. And that's something that I've been blessed with and it's been an opportunity for me to leverage that to be successful. So work ethics definitely something that I'm trying to infuse in my daughter as she grows up very nice. There's this this is good to put her to work on the counter yet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we went to we went to the lake this weekend and she found a couple buckets and fill them up with water and she was carrying around two buckets the whole time. So I guess we get away from the farm and she still wants to carry buckets. So I'd say that's a good sign for her work ethic. Let's go. Also High well appreciate your time and share your knowledge and experience with us today. I appreciate it to I get the opportunity to be in a weird spot where I'm involved in building design, but still wearing a nutritionist hat. At and sometimes that leads to some interesting conversations.

Today’s episode will cover Designing the modern sow farm from a nutritionist's perspective. “In a stall barn, typically, we don't know where those gilts versus older sows are going to be located, so we feed a common diet which commonly over formulates those nutrients for the older sows who are done growing, and just needing maintenance and the development of the growing fetus.” – Dr. Hyatt Frobose. Our guest is Dr. Hyatt Frobose, one of the bright minds of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Frobose is Swine Nutritionist and USA Business Director with JYGA Technologies. He completed his Ph.D. in swine management and nutrition at Kansas State University, received his B.S and M.S. degrees from KSU and was a 2010 US Fulbright Scholar to Australia. Hyatt’s doctoral research evaluated stimulating estrus in sows during late lactation as a means to improve sow welfare and the use of novel feeding technologies to optimize sow performance. What you will learn:   An introduction about himself and his career; GDU feeding and design; Gilt development for research (nutrition); Gestation feeding; Feeding the transition sow; Lactation feeding; What separate successful swine professionals from those that are not. Hyatt’s favorite swine-related book: The gestation and lactating sow (Chantel Farmer) Hyatt’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Born to Run (Christopher McDougall) Edited by Lauro Faccin

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Well back to another episode of the pig wrestling podcast. The pig wrestling podcast is powered by our wonderful sponsors think cloud and it's available in the cloud was available pull the cloud. I'm learning at you and Spotify and kid's name but a few and on our Pig wrestling podcast Blog the pig wrestling podcast is based on a book by repeat Lindsay and Mark Bowden. It's a simple way to solve any problem and create change you need back back again. El Pollo another week.Another week another day another dollar got some special guests on it again this week. Yeah, we have are welcome Jensen and we've got Jansen Target and rugby player and X will be playing. Yeah. I am used to play for sulfur door lefse and Captain techie. Did you know that do you know you Captain turkey in the imaginations in 2008? Was it Johnson 18 sorry 2018 Teen jansen's are also represented England Academy under-18s versus Australia and it made his debut against Leeds rhinos in 2015. And I remember Jansen for years because I've been scouting as you know, my face report on Jansen was 2010 report for I actually said this kid I think are grouped with the next Kevin simm field because I actually I actually thought and I always remember Something, you know went through life. You see people and something Clicks in your head and you think that's he's going to be a good lad. I remember going in Costello Sports stadium in whole and there was a young lad training in the corner on his own and I went right Johnson. Are we doing I said, what you doing here on your own? He said Champions are made when no one's looking and I've like that so I'll be been so fortunate. So this one then Johnson, I went to school with my colleague tell he knows all about your I think I love that on you. Well, Eric, I remember a time when all the ladders on me from my house and there was going to hornsea and Janssen coming on his mum's bike with a basket on the front full of packing up one of the lads pedals fell off or the world. So and he was a little bit on unfair the time so I Even my bike ride to pedal is a BMX only one pedal. Yes, sir. Yeah, so welcome. You're welcome on the show. I'm excited. So we normally you know, you know Paul Wells are bolted a bit of digging and you Paul, but what is it sort of know more about the man behind the name, you know, because you know, it's only been a superstar. I remember sitting on the couch playing bring up brick walls for a living. What was your one question before I get will get into the questions because I'm a big ol of see from what was your uh, you know you if you could play any position. What position would you play? What was your what was your number one position ideally like to play loose forward but like, you know sometimes and some teams nowadays, it's just known as like another prop and I used to like passing the ball as well be, you know be a bar London lose forward. So I did it. That's where I I'd like to play and then as I went through the game, I've got taught how to you know, be able to change lands when I run a line and things like that. So it kind of like push him out into the back row more and you know, just learning the trade of that and that's probably where I ended up playing, you know, the last the last few years of my will be in so far in the second proposition. I suppose we're all forwards but it's just, you know each one's a little bit more detailed. Old and you know bit different to the other one and I think as well. I'm excited to have you on the exam, you know, he's learning more about what makes these professional athlete stick because that little comment you mention there, you know Champions at you you professional Sportsman think different. So we will jump into one of the questions through airports. We've got to go for it go for it. All right Johnson are what are one of three books that have greatly changed stroke influenced your life. I wasn't always been a big reader to be honest, you know, if it was someone that ever asked me, you know a few years ago. Do you read at a laughter? But you know things change mindsets changed you grow up you mature but when I when I read recently is the chimp Paradox, we first learned about that, you know, when I was actually at Hull FC and we had Martin Johnson, I seen it was unusual not long ago. He came in and he was used to talk to us about mindset. Talk to us about the brain and how it works and you know, it's broken down things like that. And you know, you hear those things and I was on I was younger then and you don't really take anything on board. But you know once it's something that actually interests here you go out and you research it. So yeah, I've been learning about the brain and you know behaviors mannerisms. Why do things while you're doing things different ways you can react to things and it's been quite interesting did you say? One one two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three or 80s watching any you know, if you got if you if it's one if it's too easy is 3 yeah, that's something that I've read. I'm just starting Tyson Fury's autobiography. So I just got off a Christmas. So that's next on my list or after sent it tips on that but I think interesting about our good times you go Chris I think linking back to that point because I'm gonna pull them out in Johnson and professionally. Lee I got you into a another business hours in here to talk about man set and it always shared stories about you know, work, you know, fictional Sportsman knowledge today, but interesting, you know some of the players, you know, you played around so I will do a new major professional debut 1818 and just give me a list of you know, so I'm going off topic here policy rights are in back in to make sure we get for all the Commandments, but just give me an Insight in a 2000 census of some sort of inspirational talk. It says you've played alongside go fellas Richard on Danielle and Frank Pritchard. See C'Mon o te whanoa. Just a list just a roster. Yeah, this is interesting. He's not many people get to have spend time with that many sort of leaders is in sort of commonalities. You've learned, you know from them to her people. You know, what what someone could learn from what you learn from, you know, what was the sort of things you learn from them? So people and different things really because you know, even though we're all roll left the same reason everyone's got a different personality some, you know, some quiet you don't really hear some, you know, quite outgoing quite boisterous, you know some more quiet funny always telling jokes so different things really I think it's probably you know, the most you'll learn is how to know how to apply a trade on the pitch and you know, how they handle themselves and even when used to you know, when they're be the one that wanted to get interviewed or you know speaking to the newspapers things like that and how the holder self-composed things like that, you know all the speed to people but you know, it's shown respect because it's something that's been instilled into them from being young and like The kind of it's like an older brother thing really? So, you know, you're learning things are phlegm that you might not have learned somewhere else or you know If you're if you're going into a it because basically is a job. But if you're going into you know an everyday job while you're in an office and so far that you might not even speak to the person that's not next year. But you know when you're in the professional sports environment, you have no doubt. You have no choice, but you have to speak to him. You have to get to know him as a person you have to learn them understand them and you know, trust them because when when you're you know next to him in the game you willing to put you know your life on the line for them and you They're expecting you to do the same. So yeah, it's a lot of land in the standing between both parties really cracking and say what purchase of 50-pound or less as most positive positively impacted your life in the last six months. Sonny Taylor would tell me that it's a ticket to watch his fight. couple months ago I got I got a ticket to go watch Frank Bruno present a motivational talk, you know got to meet him have a little chat with him, you know, take a photons of Art and some of the things that he came out with and some of the adversity that had you know show and I'm someone that's coming through adversity myself. So it was you know something I could relate to and it was a It was quite overwhelming but I understood where I was coming from and some of the things he supports about, you know, I've tried to use his Tools in my own life. And I think it's definitely been a an advantage to me. And you know, that's one of the that's one of the things that you would have got a couple but I'll drop that for the first one. No, but I think on that one can I was there myself actually and it wasn't your fault it was that and I was we always talk, you know with something like we do about being real. We're all and talking. I was absolutely gobsmacked. I'll reel and Rory walls, but also inspired I left there feeling just an incredible one. He's talked. So I have among groups. That will warm up. What do you think? I'm not like there's a cracking night. Frank Bruno was real and raw thought some of the things that come out with and the way Spork because we all know Frank Bruno don't we, you know would mean our ebook It can put it come across really really good and then he inspired me that night what had been through and now we'd come back from it. It was fantastic to see him fantastic to wearing. I'm interested in this one as well. Because in this next question, I love this one. So what is your feel-good song? I'm using that gets you focused on make sure opinion and I will ask a little bit on that because I'm asking for is maybe essentially to because Did you have like a song before he played rugby was it was like a rugby song that got you in the zone was it? Yeah, no not really of this song. But you know whenever I got go to the gym or you know training running or Like pretty much songs. I kind of like things like, you know, R&B old-school R&B rap Grime a little mind, you know a little bit of chat chat music sometimes a little bit of house. You know, I have really play Amy's new songs all the time. So I'm getting basically that so I send switch off spoons. I've just finished listening to your good pals with one of those biggest influence that And DJ rain dog. Yeah, so was actually funny story. I was at his Studio they were there and we sat there for about two and a half hours and it was just cracking on doing his stuff playing this song. But you know, I think it was making a song and it was the same one and I'd heard it non-stop for two and a half hours. And obviously I'm not going to say anything cause that's his job. You know, he's out there grinding Grafton making his new track. Then when we left we got in his car and he and he goes I'm just going to see how it sounds on the air on the car speakers. I said he serious I said it's going to sound exactly the same. It's just so did for the past two two and a half hours and did it. Yeah. It's set up the point that you get lost in and focused in summer and get lost it. It's interesting you mention that is he out, you know, you'll get you know lose focus and you know, you need to get lost in it somewhere. My owner to be honest, you know, I'd like to spin that and I'm gonna think of me. So if I don't keep myself mentally active or thinking about something or focusing on something, I'll go the opposite way and I'll do too much thinking and overthink things and question certain things. So I think it's you know something I've learned that I need to keep my myself active and you know, Thinking on things are going to be productive in. So for the wise it will be a negative for me and Lincoln nacelles up all you can you can jump in on this one. I don't see him. I overthink things and of a little over the last year or so. I've been going on a different journey and wanting a new career and I overthink too much and I think we the nail on the head the other week when was talking with Ben? Is if things don't hurt you and they're not illegal and don't wait for it to be perfect. Just go and do it and you pull me up a lot of times don't you lie on when what if we do this and but if this happens and if that in Liam goes rather thinking everything pole let's just do it and we do and that leads into the next question and for me. Anyway, do you have a lesson from a filly of yours? Yeah, definitely and I'd like to go on the back of what you said there. I'd rather you know. Firing range Target in front of me with loads of mrs. And you know some near misses the one that's got no shots on it. Also if you're not if you're not trying something and you're not, you know, you're not feeling you just getting closer to where you want to be. But if you're not doing anything at all, then don't got any you don't got any mrs. On. They're all so it's just like like I said before it's a experience, you know you can you can Yeah, it might be a short term feel you but then you're learning so, you know where to adjust something and you know where to go. Although what the next move is or what the next, you know where to go in the right direction for the next move. And yeah, I'm back to your question. Probably learning to talk. It's something now that's you know got massive, especially in the past. Especially especially in the past, you know a couple of years I'd say it's been best about men not really talking much of things like that. And you know, I've been there myself. I've I've not spoken what I should have done and things like that and had not been opened not being honest, but excuse me. I think if you got a problem you need to address it and you know, not not scared around it not go quiet and things like that and just just be open and honest and you know, if you're needing if you need in that to talk some more of it's a friend or family, you know, just go do it don't think about it just do it. And then once it's out there hold us all the pressure and the anxiety is gone you can you could you can get on with your job then. And I think linky back inside there's a stat pulse train and even a ball gown for the middle of the minute. They just that you mention to the day we talked about yet, but mental health and mental health awareness is absolutely just blown up on it. Right but I think I can speak with General and you know, it's come down to the club and outside of the company and other bits and I think what you'll see Jenna and it's interesting, you know with you being a professional Sportsman. They are versatile athlete. We're always talking that way about you know, I'll physical health and you know what we put in our body remember talking to you the week about in a train or what we should be doing and all the efforts but I think we are at a real big sort of peek at living in terms of changing the way we talk about our health no more. Is it just about your body? Because you know, if y'all got your mental health younger you any physical evidence that there's a stat that you just mentioned to me the other day. I'm at presentation was it was testing the about if If you want come to tell me what was that again forget, right? If if somebody had cancer you want tell them to pull ourselves together with you. I know it sounds odd stating that fat but depressions are same as cancer. It's the ball film. This is the both treatable and you go to the doctors about Wolfram Mertens. None of them will get cured from a few plants in the pool. And it's right. We need to we need to talk about mental health like it is physical health and we need to give both equal importance. I think thinking things are changing and I think he's fumbles, you know doing doing things like this get on there and talking like this. I would say it starts at conversation. What's what, you know, you'll turn up and I'm going to the club. What would you say you've noticed down there, you know and as it surprised because you know, like you mention that stat something has changed and it's starting to be I'm to give you a stop back. When I first started on this man Cobalt. There were six of us as other was small drooping eyelids. And this one here and we went from six of us and we had 66 on 63 Monday on it. Yeah, we are up to 80. It's gone from helping 250 men on a Monday night. So I think we was a very hundred this Monday night 800. Yeah, and it's growing and growing and for me, there's two sides of it, you know, we was talking week we We've been on the show is most people think you have to be at suicide are like the end to come to the club and it's all about talking and connecting. And so, you know, what would you say to anyone who's listening to this after I've been bean and witness what you see in there what you said that guy was thinking about going Well, I'm just basically son, you know, I've learned from talking. That's one of you know from my failures in my lessons. Hopefully what I had experienced myself is that it might not be exactly the same as what someone else is going through but you know the it is it could be mental health what somebody's you know struggling with and something I could speak about that. I'm going through might help somebody else then, you know, that's what I'd like to do. And that's what I like to do in the future, you know, trying to help people out and I could I could link with what some of some of them was speaking about and You know, it gives you a bit of relief and things like that and you feel that you've got something off your chest. Not only is it helping yourself, but you're helping others as well. So it's you know, it's it's quite a good environment and one was just talking about there about the professional environment. You know, I've that's all I've been in in a professional sporting environment and you know, it's such a alpha like male environment. It's you know, you you get looked at you you think you'd be looked at funny if you were to speak about something like that or weak or you know, you're not taking your your role in the team seriously or that's what you're thinking but you know, I'll be I've suffered with mental health and that was something I didn't do but you know hands like so a great thing and if I was back in that position now that is something I would be doing, you know, trying to reach out and get that help from the welfare officers or you know, I just grab a couple of the lads and say look I'm feeling Like this, do you have any advice or is there anything you can do and you know just make people aware of it. So you don't on eggshells and you're not worrying about if you're going to get laughed at or I'm or feel embarrassed or anything like that and you know deal with the right way and help them support you rather than feel that are going to be against. Yeah, and I think that's a cracking point you make that because it won't you know, it was only just for Christmas cards last day on the on the show and they had been to the club and he was talking he was like changing my research. Each and other bits and it's a real good Chum and I think I just think it's sometimes you got off. I like the one my favorite sayings polish. I love this thing. Sometimes you gotta step into the darkness to see the light. Right and I think what we're seeing with their mental health and all that type of elevates as men we've been told that we need to tough up man up, you know, especially in a bit of physical Sportsmen from it such a young age like yourself. He's an alpha male in dominated Sport and we we are scared to say that we need an and but what I also found it, so interesting those guys and when we go back on this and why I love Ruby so much is in rugby, you know, if you're on a field and you you miss a tackle and you put your hand up and you say that's how far for me that's opposite for me everyone rallies around ugly and what I found so interesting. In have been involved in the man called for so long, you know assets of originally I never had and I think I needed it. But there's a time when I had to make a big decision and change careers. Like I know you're doing the same Paul doing the same and I'd say make a massive decision. I'm allowed to make that massive decision. I didn't have everything figured out. I didn't know if I was a roof over my family's head. I didn't know where I was going, but weirdly because at the man Club I was able to go on a Monday night and just share and no one tried to fix it just get outside them fault, but it's how we Break that cycle and it Poland and get more, you know, get more people speaking. So what's your thoughts on it? I totally agree and going back to Johnson with the environment that Jantzen was in. I remember obviously of coach will be for quite a few years and one thing you don't want to show up in a tough spot. Like rugby league is weakness and I used to say to my lines when was playing. If you're at don't let your opposition know that you're at play the ball then go down five seconds later when nobody can see you because you don't want to show weakness to any your opposition. All and I think in the mail environment what used to be hopefully that the stigma is getting broken down now and it's getting broken down rapidly out up is you can show you vulnerable. You can show you a bit weak because you stronger you strong you a stronger person for coming forward and talking about your weaknesses and but years ago, I totally agreed that wasn't the case and but now even though only 12 months ago, you know, he's he's changing it and it's Quick, but I was I was talked about and vulnerability when you vulnerable it takes away all all the power of that problem. So yeah, really like that range Westing that's all point and linking backs up. Do you have like a it drove like a favorite quote are saying, you know, if you could share with the world, what is it and why? I've got them written down that I thought bringing and this is something that I'd seen, you know recently and I thought I could relate to it quite well and it's I can't remember the name of the guy that actually had written it but I was speaking to one of my friends as well. He's a Is kind of like well, he runs his own gym and things like that and he's really into quotes and reading and you know, like life coaching and things like that and I was having a chat with him and he brought this quote to me. So I think I'm going to use this one. It's your second life begins when you realize you only have one that I love that that's class. Yeah. Yeah and tell me more about that. Why about resonate so much with you? Well, you know, obviously it's probably been You know seen by a lot of people publicly of what's going on with me, you know trying to trying to try and to make an attempt to take my own life this year just gone and you know, I'll be definitely lucky. So I think I think the fact that you know, I was in the ship that I was and things like that, you know being blessed to still be here and would even be having this conversation today. Said something that was the start of my second life, but for everybody else, I think that quotes quite a good one to relate. No, but it's interesting you say that Dino and amazing that you sharing that because you know, you used to run up brick walls for a living, you know, and the tragedy are you waiting for if your body want us out. Is it bloody was it miracles do happen you say in front of us? And so I really love you for sharing up early speaking about actually run. Into brick walls. I remember was training. I think it was team run there before was oh was it we had a home game the Casey and Gareth Ellis was just coming back from injury and he needed someone to run six times at his right shoulder and runs through a job and Runners Runners like junk. Just everyone was walking out like folks. You in your Peak Peak shape, right? What was your role in that work? Well, yeah, but hundred kilos, right and then you've got what was Frank the Tank rolling in that always looking for reasons not to I don't know I reckon it hundred and twenty kilos which and this this speed at what which you always run out, you know impacts just incredible. Well, you know, but couldn't give me give me someone who is just added one of these days. That's the problem. Yeah. In a game like I'm not bothered I won't believe that you know, it didn't matter because you play in and you know you young and you kind of don't have all used try not to show respect to any of the players like that. So, you know, you want to run up there more you want to try and get them to try and make a name for yourself, but I just say through when you go in at full contact in training if you had Frank running You know you wincing a little bit but and then if you know when you when you're on that them I'd definitely say go if I live here by I'm stirring it gummy elbow meow meow is interesting. Is that when you Swatch it when you still watching this now, it seems to have like these massive arms when he like just wrap several of put his runs anywhere near him. Yeah, and it's still going. I'm all dizzy and I was still going strong 38 in it. Yeah, so you go for the next one. In the last five years what new habit or belief has had the most profound effect on your life got a couple, you know, I'm not not be enacted for that long. So I've had to try and time I'm time of Mind out really so like I said earlier reading and I kind of link that into podcasts and watching videos as well because sometimes I got a little bit, you know, it gets a little bit monotonous. I'll just I'll just put it on a on an audio and listen to it and instead, you know, I know in the morning or night time or when I'm on board throughout the day and they wanted is meditating. So I've been doing a little bit some meditation and incorporate it with a breathing pattern as well as different types different ways. You can do it if you feel that I've stood One of them's one of them. So basically what you do is you've got a think of a non-word so it doesn't make any sense that you've just met up and you've got a repeat that in at your own speed for 20 minutes and it and the Studies have shown that I can't remember what type of is called. I know I'm actually called that's when I use em trans then to run into these different and I can't His vow I will carry on but induction. I've seen it Shone like studies on the brain as being as I opened up different paths and you know different when someone's had a brain scan and throughout the time of doing it. It's opened in ensuring that different areas of the brain is being used while so actually doing it and to link trans and down. I can see all look it up in a minute. I've looked for his ball get it looking up and we'll try. why we try and work it out, but the thing on that level and it's interesting said it's because I used to be like ridiculously angry at times and frustrating just just my beliefs and stuff and A lot of it was down to just the wells raise the kid and other bits, you know in terms of just but fears and you know, the way you things are put on yet it it was nothing bad. It's just the way I interpret the world at times, you know, and trying to get my brain to slow down was like one of my biggest rules is play video games. I used to work. I got obsessed in all different bits and it was this form of meditation that we got say I found and what it was that that's that people. You said the study and I love Of this park Joe you're reading the chip book at the moment that you interested in that that wasn't called got do try and save all transcendental. That's that's the one Paul what the study said. He's your brain needs to get taken out. So you repeat this way. I'd like you're saying we can't repeat our words coming because it'll mean so it's somewhere else. Yeah. So the idea is you get given away door you choose a way that the where there's no sir. Of logical meaning so you can't Associates. All right. Now if I said that's a yellow cup you can associate means that you look up so it's just a word and you just repeat this chanteys of the yeah, and the idea is and it's proven and when I do it he's after about two to three minutes of you rip your guts out loud, or you can say into your own head and your brain gets exhausted with that word. It just gets exhausted and it just basically zones out and for me what I found from it. Was it just give me even if the 30 seconds or 10 seconds or 5 Seconds just complete escapism from that constant chat. Is that what you've been? Well, I don't know it might be different to each individual. But like I said earlier, I'm an over-thinker and whilst I'm repeating the word. I like to do it, you know silently and in my own head I sought drift off and thinking of something else at the time. So it says just to send her your thoughts and you Channel your energy back just to the middle point of view, you know way thinking about again and then once soon as I realized that I'm going off just straight back into repeating the word and then you know, it feels just like just quiet and you know restful and it's it's a Nice head space and stuff and then you know, it makes me feel relaxed and stuff after or it gives gives me energy. So it depends on what one when I do. It really are however choose to is it cracking? I've never had a conversation about that before interesting enough, but the other side where I got tan as well was capped first that I tried this for a good six months ago. I just can't get my head round it and the guy who was helping me with it. He said just think of it when you get it. It'll feel like you can just pause. Has your brain but you come out like your usual mentioned then you've got your article. If I were to meet you can't rejuvenate don't you can't redo and even a valley at times. I've got him having a massive problem sometime. I'm overthinking. I'm all I'm just about you know, and I figured I've got a lock myself in a little little room at home and then just lost myself for 10-15 minutes in there and I've come out on the ideas come to me about to fix it afterwards just by pausing, but I think that's that's Yeah, there's a visible things I've listened to as well sometimes on a night and it's like motivational, you know motivational speaking and it's just someone talking and seeing different things and it says even while she's sleeping if it's playing it can you know still have give you that positive effect or other things like different? Different sounds at different frequencies and you know wave patterns and things like that and you know that shown to have good effect on people on on study. So, you know, I'm just there's no reason why not why not? I don't think you should why shouldn't try it because if you find it find out it works for you and stick to it then, you know, you you're laughing really so it's good. No, I love that it and I'm going to call your little pocket. I think the other side of it again when you start trying these different sort of techniques sign. See Martin, you know and do different things you do go against the grain cannot talk now these techniques at school, but I remember someone saying this to me it was teaching me. It was Tony Robbins was on a course with him and he said you man says all these this negative self-talk and it talked to all these negative things and it should chimp. Yeah, but you told you it was called by the way Gemma. You know, what you got near me got give it a comedy man's called. It's a trap Batman is called Eric. Me laughs and it's within which we named Janos gym today. Yeah, come on. What is it for you to cut it been it's just getting outside about that man that monkey man and getting that controlled. One of the bits always been to do though because you know, but that's the point some of the stuff of what I learned from. So I've been some of the books and videos. I got a few easier you was going through Doing them costs as well. Yeah, but what he said the one thing to me what really the couple of things like sort of change is change for me was change your story change your life, which I love that little quote from is but you also mentioned about this negative self-talk we have so, you know, we all know what negative self-talk, you know you before game day you might have been worried about what's going on or even game day right into running said Gareth if I really care about this is he knows now all the rest of it, right and we're getting in life W. No proper for this podcast. I was in I was nervous before I was interviewing new. We all get nervous at different points and it's getting a group of that negative self-talk and all he said somebody said right. Can you accept that? You have negative self-talk and what ya got still got lots of it. So why can't you have positive self-talk and said, you know, when you meditate in the morning took 5 minutes, you know, positively say what you're going to do. I am going to do this today. I'm going to do that today to talk positively T cells and exactly kills mention that and that that changed my whole outlook on it you like the I can't remember what my brain does told me negative stuff all day long all day long. Well, if you if you say it out loud, you know positive or negative and whether it's a someone or you know, you self you you're going to hear it. So it subconsciously it's going to be in your brain use if you train yourself to say positive things to yourself. It's going to take it on board. I've not write it down and that's something that could can help you as well. But well, I'm a back. That like gin soil just company. It's like kind of talking and talking it into existence really if you keep mentioning something negative often cannot something- chance of our chances are when it happens. It's not It's not going to be a surprise, you know, it's probably going to be inevitable or you know dope it's not going to be a shock. So if you can do it positive if you can do it negatively try it positively and you know, see what happens that could change for the good as well. Well, it's a bit like you're the only part in terms of you know them costing them a little bit you got given a new static on this little pest now development JD. I'm what would you answer? The personal Journey I've been going on. I've been going on it for the last 16 months now and especially in the last 6 months my journey, I could have taught a lot of negative to myself and also people of sport negative to me about my career going forward and I think the only do it because the care and Don't something safe, but over the last six months. I've done what I want to do and the path I want to go in and so the self-development that I've done is been I wants a selfish but for once in my life, I absolutely know what path I want to take and before that. I was you've got a word for it what I was doing. Yeah activity must go into company. That's correct. Yeah, but you know, we always get busy we don't run at the biggest thing. Wanna go out and we all get scared that we're always put off, you know, we can be whatever you want to be football. Man's when we can we go running up that big thing. I'm a huge believer that but the other side of it. I think this is some other students learn recently more so and I think the point we were discussing was having that conversation around in life when you start doing things for yourself because I put your own mask on first, you know, you gotta get yourself back in order and you know the genuine at the moment you rebuilding these old few people. Crea you looking all nudist of just offer them. Look at you Paula same and we're always doing that all of us are always taking risks and the interesting thing that when you start putting your own mask on first getting yourself side that allows you to be able to look after other people as well. But what happens is and it's just the other human beings. We all like to make sure that we're all looked after all say that's holidays. And but the challenge is, you know, you look at all of our Journeys were all doing when you try to explain someone when you've got a cars bigger than what I remember. Say that the bank club and I got told by loads of people very close to me. What you doing that for and I couldn't explain why I was doing I was doing it because I never met one of the cultures right Brett tragic took his own life and that the massive impact on on my thinking of I'm in love and you'll Paul's suffering on your foot for vengeance of friend and I originally went down to give it technology to know in terms of never my intention to run a club. I was too busy to self-importance when I think I could run a club, right? I'm his mom misses you when we get over myself and said get it done and I did and it was the greatest things. I did doing that but people around me was telling me I'm not the right talking about the time you running these businesses that businesses I even had crazy things saying that you've got people in Hell coming down, they'll follow you home and they'll do stuff to you if I'm wearing all these mad crazy things, right which potentially could have happened right? I can understand. I'll just put it on that point though. But you know when I have conversations with my close ones, you know family and Mum for example, and I tell her things I think to me is a great idea and I can see you know, the positives and where I could take something because that's probably why I was thinks I liked I want to try to be the best at something or doing the best of what I'm doing and you know mumbles. Oh, maybe reply with some negative things or So I don't think I'll drive goes well and in my head, it's like it don't help how I'm seeing it because I don't agree with what she's saying, but you know deep down that's probably how looking out for me and you know be that's her way of like you just said the people that said your cat doing it because they're scared and they're want you to be safe. You know, they want to make sure that you are doing the right trying to protect you and I think the interesting point you make in that is Other people project their fears onto you and the challenge is until you learn that and we go through all that and you can pick up on that. It makes a big is different and a little startled say that and is having business. I've run different businesses and doing the job. I do I have to take risks differently similarly on the Rugby field got to take risks and you look at the vision of winning don't you know winning in business when you didn't spot various know there's no difference you've got Right, but you do make mistakes, but if you focus on you know, making the mistakes like you can't focus on losing. Can you if you went on to rubyville folks about everything you're gonna get wrong you'd never win but on the flip side of that and this goes back down to circles. We always talk about and you got to be careful of who you speak to her about certain things and that's the radio and drained so like ma'am when I speak to her that I'm going to remortgage me out. So I'm going to risk everything and I'm going to put it on put it on. My chips on doing this business every method was she wants me to get a good job Ivan else and keep me safe. She don't want me risking it all and some of that at might not work out but the challenge is getting over yourself and getting two different circles to ask that question of other people or can answer that backwards being that and that's the that's the difficult and we share that we probably do. Well, we do me being focused on the career path that want to take and I could have took the easy option and gone back into production and got my paycheck every month. Just plot it on, but I want to be fulfilled in it and I've got to a point now and 50 years of age and in our look about 22 and he's lying and then I got to a point now where I got We do need September but I've gotten another job straight after quite fortunate and it good money good prospects, but it won't my passion. It won't fulfill in me. So I made a conscious decision to jump ship and ivory educated myself and a lot of clothes people around me were frightened for me and I was frightened for myself. I was asking myself. I had done the right thing. I was asking myself every single day have I done the right thing? And we only connect the dots looking back. We can't connect the dots looking forward and looking at the dots looking back. I believe I've made the right decision and it's my job now to make myself a success going forward and hopefully the passion and drive I've got I'll do that. Hopefully it will then it's back to in terms of the skills that you've got and the lessons you've learned. And just that comment you mentioned, you know the comment the court you've learned the second life. I look around the town and I look at my friends and people and some people just don't get it. Do they and I think you know, it's a miracle that we do we do get sort of like reborn again, and we see you. I always call it about your focus on what really matters and and get out there. I'm just a humble and you know grateful that I have been given a second chance and that you know, I'm only 23 years old, so you know, I'm not it's not like I'm married got kids, you know got businesses to lose like there's some people that I haven't learned that and an older age when there's things that could lose and kind of, you know can affect them even more. They don't understand that yet and hopefully I've got the tools now or not. I know how to deal with that. If I if I faced, you know feeling any kind of we're in the future that I can I can understand that whereas, you know, there's some people now that are old and older me that dot haven't learned that yet. Well, I mean, it's not one of the questions on the what would what we're going to ask today, but we're what you just saying now. Just thought I'd throw it in because I can and Looking looking now. You're only 23 and if you live to 85 or whatever, is that all the 23:23, he's got a while it looked yeah, it looks it looks images myself. Yeah, and he's 23 for lives. 285 is got absolute is six judgey is in front of him, right? So you rugby career is going to be a very small percentage of your life. So going forward then what do you see Jansen Target doing or what? Would Jansen take it like to do now Leon's been asking me this for the last 10 years, right? And it's a little last year or so. I probably could give him an answer yet. It's week six weeks six weeks. Yeah, but what would Jansen say get like to do in the next 60 years? Speak to the big question firstly I think you know one some fully recovered. I'll know to what extent I can actually do. But you know, I'd like to dream big and still carry on in sport, you know in somewhere whether it's will be or something else. I don't know but you know, I love sports. Oh something around spot. I'd like to do, you know even being involved in it and some kind of where you know, I don't know what level whether it be, you know, something Grassroots with amateur Lads are dealing with professionals, but sport is one of my love's that is something I'd like to do and With me on the on the on the road of all Community Mental Health. I'd like to help people in that aspect and that area of things as well, you know, whether it's talking to people and you know helping them and you know, I think it goes without saying I've definitely got a story to tell with my life and you know, I thought even if it's you know going to be doing talks about that or something, I don't know exactly what because I don't know what is accessible what isn't but that is something that I pictured myself, you know, hopefully doing in the future you do it now, you know it on the shore and I was that we talked about and you don't you've come to that you've come to man Coffee Spot in there. You've been active there in the background and you open us there and I always talked about that that that next man we talked about those before right and our massive believer in if you can share one idea it can change your life. You know, I'm running over one idea or we're from you know, either due to its stupid or change our lives forever, right which we know and you sharing your message on here, you know hundred percent of an impact you're on that path and also keep the only doing in and it linked this links really nicely really nicely. You said you liked it see them up there. Yeah, knowing what you know now what advice would you give to his two younger version of your what do you give him up to one bit of advice that you know, you'd give yourself a one bit of advice that they should ignore one. My dad used to tell me anywhere was dot dot trust everyone as all is not as it seems so, you know, just don't trust everyone. Some people come across as a friend who will real but you know until you're in a till you're in a tight place or you know to dispute or something like that. There wasn't ever really friend. That was an acquaintance and you know, it's not something they're not the kind of people you you want in your life really and just like real them real and fake looks like an illusion like an optical illusion some of your friends that you know in your head you think I'm gonna be friends with them for the foreseeable future, you know, probably the rest of your life and you're not really because he was never really a friend. Anyway, you just was doing things that you both enjoy it and you thought that you was and you know, the other aspects of things is There's probably people you don't think you're really close with all you know, you think our I don't really think that be there for me, but when you are down in that in that place there they're feeling you think well, fuck it out. I never expected that person who also saw it is fink. I didn't expect I expected. Him to be excused my met but I didn't expect him to that because we're not that close when you know, if you flip it on its head. It's probably because they're meant to be there and you know, they're not meant to be in your life. If someone's not in your life that someone above you know doing work for you. It's not it's for a reason. I mean that's it's more comes with agent of in difficulty. We in professional sport and sometimes life is a bitter pill to swallow in it. And but that's the other side of it. You know, that's all statement. There is has it that like at the man comes along, you know people help each other for the right reasons there. That's why I do all that environment. And I know that I call it Frenemies. Yeah, he's just the way the world is it in it unfortunately, but these things nicely going for it. This will just be one is what I could teach myself would be gratitude as well and like said about hands like, you know, it's a great thing and you know, the hard harsh reality is you could die tomorrow. So be grateful of what you actually have Jeremy and I was a child playing professional rugby. Like you said I kept in England Academy turkey at Captain Holocene one of the friendless, you know, I've been grateful enough to be in the squad to go to Wembley twice and that was all about the age of 22 and they'll be some 22 year olds. That would be loved to be a full-time professional Sportsman, but I think that was because of You know the type of person I am you strive for greatness you want to do more so it wasn't really enough but looking back on it. I should have just been patient and you know, I'd that gratitude and be grateful and look back and realize that you are already doing well. So just continue what you're doing. But you know, sometimes when you always want more it doesn't always feel like you doing enough. Right, then we all at times feel been out and focused on energized overwhelmed. What do you do and it felt for what questions do you ask yourself? Well, I definitely over think that's not want to do her and said go train, you know as best I can like when I go hospital I couldn't really train until the first of the first week in December was when I got my my results and my x-rays back to say that I'm you know, I'm allowed to start training and my Physio and Rehabilitation and things so yeah, I'd had to like I had to like change it and you know simplify it take it back to basics and just do things in like myself into a routine because first for someone that was always, you know doing something and You know that that wasn't something I was doing anymore. So I had to keep myself occupied and that routine was helping me with that. But obviously now that I can go about training. It's starting to give me that you know, probably when I was in that Sports environment, you didn't really enjoy training because it's a job and he was made to do it Jeremy you get told how many reps have something you have to lift and how you have to do it and things like that. But you know, I love going to the gym and things like that now and it's something that I use. Two for granted and like I said about being grateful that I joined the Earth actually joining the gym. That's another one that I'd probably 50 pounds or less 50 pounds or less. Yeah. So, you know just going to the gym doing a bit of training trying to get a sweat on doing my Rehabilitation and just sitting in the sauna having a chat with some random blocks. I've never met they'll probably tell me a story to tell me what you know what they're feeling like how they're feeling out. I'll be giving some back as well and and yeah, so that's a training routine simplifying things and then just asking myself the question now, I know one again and you know, am I being honest with myself if I'm feeling like a certain way with someone and I feel that I need to say something in a setting where Then if I feel I should do it. I'll tell them because I like to be I like to be an honest person and you know, I like to try and be honest with myself and just think you know how much training hard enough yet or am I doing the adequate Reba I should be doing or you know, I'm a eating the right things and just being, you know being honest being honest with myself and you know, I suppose it's like discipline and being strict with yourself really, so it's just a question that You know if I'm feeling burnt out I laughter keep blinking back to that. Really I like that one. I like the old are the be honest with yourself and only self accountable having some of the Audi skills to master because it's easier said than done it. Yeah. Definitely. I like this question who in the world. Would you like to interview past our present and why? I've always been a big boxing fun because my dad used to box. And I remember actually one time they do you know what we can to encourage. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so do you see my dad used to turn above that without Jeff Ram? Yeah Fortune pasta and Tony both. Yeah legendary whole boxer. Yeah and a few of us and I think I would have been I won't even have been in like primary school yet and it was a converted Loft. So, you know, the the roof was like slammed at the edge and I was right at the edge of some You know for like one kilogram works I was doing like punches above my head and then I put my hand and went straight through the ceiling and the Jeff Ramos said to my letters like he's not it's not allowed here again, I'm Banning him. So, you know, that was boxing something that's been installed for me from be young really am I'm a big fan and linking back to the question. I'd probably say Mike Tyson. I was going to pick Muhammad Ali but you know, Mike Tyson had a bit of a Interesting character and you know, I'd like to pick his brains and you know is definitely a different sides to him and you know, probably well you could definitely say that he's struggled with mental health himself. And yeah, I think isn't is a unique character that I'd like to study in a great honor name each other. I'd like to know who's your favorite? box rattling minute current box at the minute because it's athlete - a division all the math abilities. There's some some great Fighters out there at the moment. Yeah. Like again Sonny Sonny Tello probably serve a symbol. Come on. Serena is coming on. These are Johnson's going to sort it out for a sorry. I don't know. There's a few really. I like the I like Joshua is a you know, it's done really well to come off the back of that loss and you know, nobody was expecting everyone was saying, oh it's going to be a number of p and everyone I brought him off a girl. He yeah, he changed his style everything like yeah, you know lost work things like that. And you know, it just shows true champion has to Get beaten all yeah, it might not be a loss. You don't have to be a loss for somebody to get beaten. But you know, in this case it was an actual loss and you know for him to come back from it. I like tasting videos. Well, I think is you know a very talented man. Yeah. I think he I think has been a big change in his psyche under the way he's holding himself at the moment again interesting and then recently, I don't know if it's a McGregor and you watch the well, you know Then three people are probably up there with a three biggest names in you know in fighting and Tyson Fury is not actually lost a fight, you know, it was a drug and while there but one of you know only the first person ever to get up off of while the bombers. Well, yes, he did. You know, like I said, he hasn't actually got a loss on his record, but his mental health was checking into a lost you I mean it was you want boxing for a long time. It was out. Sport and from to even come back and be on a professional boxing platform and you know back out there doing what it does. I think that she was robbed as well. Yeah, it was but we'll see what happens when he fights next month God again. So is it been an hour already bashed that done floor gone, we've enjoyed it, but we always like to ask this this Final on, you know got lots of time. Is there anything else we should have asked you but we didn't or anything you want to talk about that we didn't ask. when you was mentioning about like a scene that one I'm Ben's podcast you did with the news men should in you know, you might notice from school that someone's got business mindset and our mentality and I used to when I was at that picture and I used to go to herons Foods on the nighttime and I used to buy loads of sweets and cans I'd get like four cans for one pound and I go sell each can Fork It figures I'm making 12 pound off like three pound at school and business numbers that grape is and then selling, you know sweets that you get you got like five for a quid but sir lamorak, we reach my profit margins were quite good and my stepdad was a it was real good downloading things on the internet real and you know new films that won't even know what this Cinema yet. So so I had a little book I used to write. I used to write the list down. I think it was running rather the foot soldier to or something was coming out. So feel like that and I started this book to school and show them the list of DVDs and just I can get in bed onto this for you. And I think it was like three quitted disk or 10 420 quit and I used to I used to be coming with two bags to school like chocolates comes and do it. It's a basically use like a mobile. What was that? You know, I'm just a Blockbuster on the field, but it was that you've got busted out there in there. I love that house but entrepreneurial man that I love that and I'm I'm really pleased that you came on the show real and raw and rather big thing. Like, you know, be like you don't have on the pitch. Love Tommy back on I'm gonna be interested and it's gonna be great to watch what's going to be coming next and I can't believe he's only 23 and went loads today. I weigh. Yep and good luck on your real Rehabilitation. Thank you. So that's little check it out whole chicken out. out dirty chicken out

It's OK not to be OK the Road to Recovery EXPLICIT CONTENT. Hull FC & Salford EX professional Super League player Jansin Turgut. A Hull lad through and through, Jansin played professional rugby for Hull FC & Salford. Represented England Academy under 18s v Australia Schoolboys in 2014. Going on to make his professional debut in the Super League Match 5th 2015 against Leeds Rhinos. Jansin also went onto captain Turkey's national side in the emerging nations 2018 world Championship. Sharing his love and passion for the game sharing stories of players he's had the pleasure to play alongside. As always we dig deep on real problems, people wrestle, with none bigger than the battle Jasin has been tackling with his own mental health. Sharing for the first time that the Ibiza car park fall was an attempt to take his life. We uncover how Jansin is now working to control his mind, as he shares the tools and strategies he has put in place, from transcendental meditation to getting back into the gym. A great supporter of Andys Man club, Jansin is fired up like never before to run head-on and help to tackle the stigmas that still surround mental health. Sharing “I didn’t want to end my life; I wanted to end the pain I was going through." A lesson learned following him having to endure breaking both my legs,  “I broke my pelvis in half. I fractured L1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in my spine and then I broke every bone in my face.” He highlighted Tyson Fury’s message of support as a particular inspiration. He said: “Laid in the hospital bed seeing that brought me to tears and I couldn’t quite believe that he’d… for somebody that suffered from mental health and has been able to put himself back into the game, the sport of boxing as well and overcome it. Jansin has never been more determined in his life given his “second chance” to run at the big thing. He is helping others by sharing his story and helping organisations such as Andys Man Club to bang the drum that it is Okay To Talk. Take a listen to this week's Podcast.

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My girl Alexis is not here. She's up in Atlanta. So shout out to you. I was not here for the past two weeks. I was actually on the east coast in Boston and So cold. Oh my God. So yeah, I'm your host Lisa Sharma thien I'm holding it down today. So bear with me I'm going to try not to ramble your ear off if you're listening and if you're watching, you know, I'm everywhere. We're on Spotify iTunes YouTube all that good stuff. Okay, so I'm sad because this was a tough episode, but before we go and I just want to say we have some news and gossip. We have our awesome special segment where we highlight a bomb. Um as porn movie and I'm just happy to be here. It's sad that I have we have only two episodes left of the deuce the series finale. Oh my gosh. I'm just going to start. First of all the chat is open you guys. I'm going to pop it up right now. Where are you at? Okay, there you are. Okay. So the chats open. Oh, there's like six people and oh, wow. It's already popping Okay, cool, so I'm very upset. Lori committed suicide and if you guys are tuning in sorry, I don't want to spoil anything. But this is a recap of episode 7 called that's a wrap so much has taken place. I want to talk about the last two really briefly because I caught up with the last two I want to say two days ago and I'm surprised Tony killed Ruby. No Rudy and Mike has HIV and is dying and all these things. And I did not at all. Thank Laurie would commit suicide. Here's the thing. We're going to talk about that because I'm going to leave that to the end because that's the most beefiest topic but I was rooting for her. I really really really wanted Eileen to come through and Eileen or candy, whatever you go by I'm kind of disappointing you because you know what that girl was going through and you didn't see if I feel like you were just you were to settle with her. But okay you guys I do want to acknowledge. Wow, our chat. We have see artists saying this episode. We yes, I think Lori could have overcame this nephew Charming Chucky. Oh my gosh, Michael Eloy was tired of everything poor girl. You guys, I love how we're having so much chat in the chat room right now, but let's start off. Here's the thing. Let's start off with Paul and Todd. So Todd died and I will say this because I wasn't here last week. I love how Todd really put the family together. No Paul put the family together because Todd had Ain't seen his parents for decades. That's major for me to just give Todd that closure. Even though Todd was so sick didn't really even get to realize it's his parents and now Paul is being you know AIDS activists in this epidemic that's going on and we see him really fighting and I think he has a older gay friend. We see the scene of him playing the piano with him and all of that saying all my friends are Ed and all of that and then Paul is not getting tested because Paul knows he has HIV or Aids he knows that it's already developed to that. He's like, I've Been Everywhere twice. I've Been Everywhere I already know I have it I'm gonna die which is so hard you guys like these people they're like dying like every five seconds every 10 seconds. It's happening so fast and you know producer friend of mine, you know just recently told me that it's because it's happening so fast, there's even no time to talk about it kind of like, The plague back in the day, so I want to talk about that how I think Paul's purpose right now in life is just to do something about this epidemic and his his friends said You Gotta Die screaming You Gotta Die screaming. You can't like go. So we see him in the jail scene. We see him, you know smoking a cigarette kind of resembling that okay, you guys beat me up, but I'm still here and Mike has 8 as well, and he So a cabin that Vincent set up for him, which was so beautiful and I think Vincent was so connected to him as a friend that he was so emotional and it was crying. But you know what Mike has no regrets his like I drink from the cup in this lifetime. I drink from the cup. I don't regret anything and his dying too and it's so sad to see people like this and for me, I know me and Alexis had predictions about this before we did feel like Like Mike or any of the people that we assume that were having sex with men would have contracted it and they did so that's not that would Paul and Todd and all of that so unfortunate and it's just so sad that they were grateful for all of the experiences that they had like, Mike was saying I had this girl I don't regret anything with her. It's my life and it's just heartbreaking. But okay before I continue on My different list of topics today it is again me I'm holding it down the chats up. I do want to mention that we are so thankful here for AfterBuzz TV. 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He was trying to provide for his family and he said I don't want to deal with drugs the bang would Frankie and Tommy Tommy was look this is the future if we're not going to sell drugs. We're going to dry up. We're not going to have money and I really feel like that's what got franking to shit. He started dealing with that Italiano guy all that stuff. All that Mafia it was unnecessary part for him to die man and Vincent killed the kill the shooter to I killed a young kid. It's just when I caught up with these episodes. I'm like what has happened Vincent. Like here's the thing you you're the Lost Abby will talk about that but your actions and you go home with a gun and you know, how Abby is freaking out about that. It's just it's such an unfortunate way to die and you die on the streets and this is the dues as much as Goldman and all of that. Try to clean up the streets this underlying Mafia Black Market shit. It's still going to take place you guys. Okay, so my chats pop and I do want to really look into this right now Cornelia. Love you girl. She was like, I agree about Tommy. He's just a Thug Type. Yeah, you know and it's so true. And why did you have to kill Rudy? Like he was still your partner? Like he? Yeah, he gave me some shit but his like double your age, you know, and I am ver o is saying Paul should have told the hospital he was Todd's Brother, that's the way people did that was bad writing. Okay, that's very cool. Come back. And then Michael Lee said this is why I still did guess for you. Olivia. Benson would have rescued Lori told her worth exactly. Oh my gosh helped her with all her problems. We will get to that. I'm so upset. I candy like you don't just say here's a credit card. You should have said stay the night with me. Say the week with me. Let's talk about this. Maybe I can give you a producer gig. You know, you don't need to go have sex anymore for money and all of that like you have to save this little girl. You should have held her hand so sad and so that's the situation. I feel about Tommy and Rudy it was an unnecessary way for Moody to die in the street with the money and everything. It's and you know, what even though Vincent's falling for a Tommy. I think Vincent knows deep down that Tommy has something to do with Rudy dying. Okay, you guys so Vincent and Abby me and my girl Alexis if you're watching right now, we did predict that Abby is going to bounce from Vincent. Here's the thing. She's going through this whole lesbian situation right now. And I love that you explore yourself have sex with a girls do all that and I know that wasn't going to be consistent. Like I know she was exploring herself as a woman. But here's the thing. You're not there for a Vincent Vincent said, where are you? My brother just died. Mike is die. Where the hell are you? You're not next to me. I'm stress it. You know, Abby is holding it down at the bar and props to add me for even holding it down in that community meeting with gold with what's his name, you know the community guide Goldman or whatever was I have it right here. He basically trying to fix the city and all that right, but you know what Abby's like look all your contributions are not going to help the lower class the lower class get poor the rich get rich. We all know that right now and she's He's just taking a very personal but here's the thing go back home to Vincent and try to be there try to be there for him. Especially when her girlfriend comes to the bar and kind of tracks her down and says, hey, you're not coming to my show. She feels it that Abby's loyal trying to work things out with Vincent, but she found the gun you guys see I'm a very very cautious like rule Law Abiding Citizen and I wouldn't want to have that gun in my house. So I understand. And I totally understand that Abby left Vincent for that. But you know, it's like that was like kind of strike one before like Vincent did say I will hide the gun. I'll get rid of the gun his stupid. He hides the gun up in the Shelf where she's I guess doing some photography right now. So it's like, of course she finds he finds the gun. That's like we're goddess of the issue and I honestly feel like she did the right thing but Abby, it's like you're not in the moment right now with Vincent you No, your guy just lost her twin brother his twin brother Vincent goes to his ex-wife or Comfort which we got to talk about this. So they're having sex whatever they had a good time and the ex-wife says something about you know, we're older now or like teapots the teapot fell broke blah blah blah. I feel like we can really hold it down together and maybe start over and I think it was so funny when since like or we can just buy a new teapot and then the wife ex-wife goes, you know, it can't Work if you're someone second-favorite or if you're someone second choice like to make love work that person has to be that other person's First Choice. You know what I mean? You guys might chat? Oh my God. So Cornelia saying the gun and the dark side Vincent fell into was too much for a be absolutely County never really had any empathy true empathy for anyone true that Cornelia and yeah, so happy packs up her bags, you know Vincent comes home and Vincent sees that you know what I'm Messed up you found the bat you found the gun. She even placed the gun in the middle of the table. And if you guys caught this at the bar, is it just me. I know my homeboy Mo will tell me tomorrow on Twitter George pelecanos the Creator and writer of the show made a little Cameo appearance in the bar. So he said hey, can I have another beer now if you guys are like really Deuce fans, please let me know is was that George was that like a cute little Scene he did it was where Abby's girlfriend came in to ask. You know, where have you been yourself am IA and then George says, hey girl, you know Harry. Hey bartender. I need a another refill. So that's George. I think that's so cool. Because I think was it Hitchcock that did that I think that's Hitchcock that would cameos who was it? I know it was Hitchcock, but that just so cool as like a writer or director to do that. Just so fly and Cornell. We agreed with me and said I love that whole teacup analogy it. Was amazing, but my I mean Vincent you are such a d IC K course like all you buy a new teak teacup or whatever. That is not cool. Yeah. Okay. So Michael says that was pelecanos. Yes. Oh my God. I knew it. I knew it. Yes. That's so cool. Okay, um, man, Abby. You know, what good for you Abby and also good for you for standing up for your community, but you are worth so much more like you are a book nerd just like me. Your house is filled with books. You are well rested. You're intelligent leave the deuce, like I know you want to help this community. But like are you thinking about your life? Do you want marriage one day do you want kids one day? I just I look at the show character per character and I just want everyone to have growth and right now from me, I think Abby did a very very good move on her aunt Tilly Vincent. I'm so sorry. She can do way better than Vincent. Even though his gorgeous. I mean James James Franco just fine, but you know what, I mean? Okay, and yes, Cornelius said Hitchcock did the cameos awesome? Okay. Now I want to talk about Lori. I want to talk about candy and Eileen and all of that. But before I do I do want to say that one main thing Goldman his gay. We all know that he's gonna get a divorce. I hope I'm saying his name right? I know it's Goldman. I have it written down right here. I don't want Mess it up. That would be so embarrassing. Yeah, Gene Goldman. Okay, so he's been cheating on his wife and he did say that his using production project condoms. Yeah, all that protection, but the wife knows has your kids are leaving the house. I'm going to be alone. What do I do? Finally, he takes the stand I respect Eugene get a divorce let your wife move on. I love you for that. Even though I still think his sick. I feel like something's gonna come about Okay. Now we are talking about candy and all of that. So Lori ends up firing Kiki because Kiki is not a good Agent not listening to your client. You know, he doesn't want to get gang-raped you guys Lori seemed was her having sex would like six seven guys. I mean not to mention all the STDs had to be contracted even though they're safe. Whatever Greg is an asshole. Greg is not a good boy. Friend nor manager and finally you fire both of them. So Lori is scraping for money to come back to New York, you know goes to this little bar tries to borrow money from the owner, you know taking rides ends up passing by her childhood home, which was so heartbreaking and she looks at the house. It's all gated up. Who knows what went down who knows why this beautiful little girl ended up coming here and being a prostitute and all of that. That attracting all these bad men like CC like obviously daddy issues like on another level but so she comes back to New York and ends up calling candy and says look, I need a job. I need money to say candy for her selfish needs for her movie to get funded says what about let's use Lori Madison to be in this movie again poor Lori having nowhere to go. Nothing to do ends up saying. Okay cool. I'll be in one or movie because you know why? I'm only a porn star. It's so sad that You thinks this is her only identity you guys and they don't know better. It's easy for me. It's easy from the side judge here at me. Like why can't you go enroll in high school or whatever and get your GED or whatever. It is. Like Dominique did or like Donna did these people don't know better. Like they're not like their minds are not that open. They're not up to that intellect to be like I can save myself or why couldn't you go to Abby Abby knew a lot of you know former prostitutes that are doing community service who Are helping other women other victims, like I wish you just I wish you'd just kind of like held on just for a few more days. So what happened was candy basically gave her credit card. I said get a hotel room candy. Why couldn't you know what I'm gonna say Eileen because kandy's her porn name Eileen you are a female director right now. You're dating this rich-ass Wall Street, dude. Okay, you're doing well. Why couldn't you be like, you know, Lori stay with me for a week, please like I know you're doing cocaine. I know you're gonna go out and get some dick tonight for Honey, why are you doing that? Excuse my language? It's just getting me so upset. Like why couldn't you invite this little girl in and you know, you guys so Eileen gave us an insight to why she was a prostitute. So I guess she was 14 15. She got pregnant her dad took her to get an abortion and drove off so did all of this is in the story and Harvey sees that this is why you know Eileen is who she is. Shout out to Maggie Gyllenhaal. This is your best work. Gap you shared that to you are so diverse. You're so amazing your ranges beyond your incredible actor and I don't want to quote this. I don't want to say this. I don't know if the deuce was nominated for an Emmy at the for the past three years you guys. I mean the Emmy TV Team all of that this show should have been recognized because the acting and writing is just amazing, but I'm disappointed in candy because so Lori goes out on the street that night ask the street hooker. Says who's your boss finds out Stars trick and finds his loser guy. The guy says what's your name for once finally she says her real name. It was Sarah. They go in bed. They do it doggy style. I know I'm very descriptive and you know, she sees herself in the mirror. That's when she just hates her life. She was like, what am I doing right now? I'm back here a decade later where I started with Cece. And that moment you guys that's when she knew she was gonna kill herself. The guy leaves she sits on her bed takes out her Coke. She was going to do one more line. She doesn't do it here. I am in my mind so naive I'm like, oh my God, she's gonna go to rehab she's going to change her life. She gets out her credit card. She puts it on the on the dresser with the $40. She made she gets the gun. She was at her brains. I was so shocked. I got goosebumps. It's just we were waiting for you. You to have that self worth of a moment for you to leave the stupid career of yours. Okay, the chats like popping. Hold up Cordelia saying it was so sad that she couldn't tell Kandi her real name, but she told the John and the car Sarah at least we got to know her name before she killed herself. Absolutely. The next day Eileen is waiting for her. But you know, what something is off Eileen know something. She sent everyone home that day. I think she knows she's waiting for yes, that's never gonna come. She was waiting for someone that already lost herself. And the Cornelio said to me Abby is a person who wants to connect it to others and help others, but she's just not a warm person. She's not open very true at all. Absolutely. Not man you guys. Yeah, so so she kills herself and I was shocked to I didn't expect Lori to pull out the gun. I you guys so much go. Intention and here I am thinking Vincent was probably going to kill herself. I'm kill himself, but no it was Laurie because she thought she had nothing else going for her. And this is the life of the woman and you know also the talk about Shana former pornstar had dinner with with Eileen to talk about funding and having a role in her movie and this girl said, you know what I'm just a gilded up like I'm I'm someone that's probably trapped in a million-dollar house because my Husband said if he marries me, I can't do anything like this anymore. So it's your stigma you carry it with you. You can't be an ex-porn star basically like it's you did it you brush it off and you start over and I wish I wish Lori knew that such an excellent actress. Shout out to you Emily. You are awesome the whole cast all of that. Give me shelter said I rewound I rewind that part 5 times. She was so resolved in that decision. I'm devastated we Are very devastated right now? I don't know man. First first Frankie. Now this now Mike like everyone's dying Alston. We find out has a nice backup in his position. He can't get fired. I love that his just firm as someone who was a black cop and the day I love how Goldman said, he's Untouchable. We can't fire him everyone trying to fight for this town. But you know one thing I do want to add before we go to our special segment all of that. I love the relationship between black Frankie Joey and the dad all of that. It's just so funny when black Frankie is sharing with them about how he was in jail, and he killed this this this man that was annoying him. He's like stand up to Tommy and say look these girls have beepers now they are running their own whorehouses from their houses or from hotels. They don't need pimps anymore. I love how black Frankie and Joey and Bobby they're like eating together and you guys Like Frankie is a gorgeous. He is a gorgeous man, and I just I wrote down a lot of quotes and stuff from this episode and just one of them but I do want to share that really, you know stood out to me one was when Vincent ex-wife says. Nobody wants to be someone second choice that never works. That's so true. We've all been there. It's like do not be an option. Okay. So I love love love when Eileen says every woman has a price tag. Back to her fact, so true even in today in 2019 in Hollywood you do as a woman. Everyone has a price tag and it I think that to as a woman and especially females and the scene where she goes to have lunch with that female director and you know, she sees how degrading that waitress was treated like, hey girl stand here. Hey girl stand there and the girls like I'm working for tips. I'm going to do whatever these guys say, and then a funny line is when The porn star director says to Lori every bang needs a gang. That's so sad, but it's funny and then you know Shauna the X porn starts telling Eileen. I'm just a woman living in a gilded cage so sad so sad but the writing is incredible. So I just had to share. Okay, so I think that's a wrap for like as far as the beefiest up from the show a lot of the predictions that I thought came true. I knew Abby was going to kill Her I know Lori was going to kill herself. I think I told Alexis two weeks ago and next week is the series finale episode 8 and Alexis will be here and we'll share our thoughts and talk about it. It's just how devastating how like people's life did not get better. This shows that life is not easy people don't you know find sometimes the silver lending or they don't like they don't have Epiphany and have a good life. Some people just have a bad life all throughout their life and they're dying like, you know, fully Every two seconds and not everyone has a hero not everyone is a hero not everyone finds themselves like Lori, we just saw and yeah, that was a lot to talk about but I am oh yeah. Michael said it's I want to cut both CC and Laurie killed themselves, man. Let's talk about right now the special segment you guys and the chat still open if you guys want to comment I'm looking but today's special segment and we pick a movie once a week, which is a good porn star movie to watch like a porn film in the 80s. The one I came across like the music. Wow. There you go. Look at that all that ass. It's called blame it on Ginger. Okay, 1986 Vivid Productions you guys Vivid is so pretty hot today. It's a very very popular porn movie Distribution Company. And yeah, this is called blame it on Ginger and basically it's a movie that features Ginger Lynn and it's not really featuring gingers. It's the story of a chick who has a nerd of a boyfriend and because she doesn't want to be embarrassed with his presence around her friends. She comes up with a story that the guy is packaged and he is a fool of a bull in bed not packaged packaging that is a bull in bed. Of course, that's not true. But it's enough to put in motion a series of not events taking place over the eight scenes that are well link between them with good acting from porn stars like Peter North Barbara Dre and Rebecca Lynn. It's a Vivid Entertainment production that came out in 86 I wasn't born yet. And get this it features an ending when Ginger and Barbara jerking off Peter North to come in their mouth and they come kiss. Okay guys, so that's the very graphic description. I did not write that Mom. I hope you're not watching this and this is the top all-time all-time porn will be so check it out you guys and you know Vivid doesn't bomb-ass job. So that's that for our special segment and let's pop it open for some news and gossip you guys so I was doing some research on Maggie Gyllenhaal love you, you are epic and the show so for et, Canada, she basically talks about how this is her best work yet and she was so sad to let go of this role and how you know, she really wants the audience to take away how long things have not changed in the industry and you know, James Franco did get hit with a lot of stuff this year and last year, but the the new I want to share about her is if you guys can't get enough of her she's going to be the new voice of audible. I love audible. I love to listen to audio books when I'm driving just like podcasts and all of that and Maggie will be the new face of that and she is going to be no narrate a few things which is so cool. Right? I mean you guys books knowledge always self-educated. Sometimes we listen to the radio so much it just better just to pop in a podcast or Audible and just listen to Maggie. Halt but yeah, she says that this is her most proud work and she's she doesn't want to let Kandi go and for her candy with such an adventure and she was producer of the show as well. And yeah overall this show for me has been just a Life opening eye-opening experience about how porn was really born but that's about 4 news before predictions. Here's the thing about predictions a lot of the things that mean the legs which have talked about him predictions. They come true as far as like Lori's suicide if you guys have some Is in the chat, let me know because I do have a few more minutes, but my prediction is here's the thing. Abby is not going to come back to Vincent Vincent is going to go back to his ex-wife. I feel it, you know men are like that they like to go to like something familiar. They don't ever buy bing bada. Boom. Whatever. He's gonna go to the X, you know, here's the thing about candy or Eileen. I think Eileen's gonna give up porn. It's just too tragic Like a Porn tragedy tragedy took place. And I think she's going to shift from that into maybe a mainstream female maker we use and I think her relationship with her son's gonna get better. We did see her mom passed away. Her dad is such an asshole and we I don't think that this is going to clean up just yet. I think next week. We'll see Jack Mabel Maple the undercover cop trying to talk about some things about the streets getting clean. I think Gene might have contracted HIV. I think he's been at those bars. And those baths a lot those, you know overnight things that they go and they hook up and all of that. I think his getting off too easy. Basically, no one's off the hook in the show. That's why they showed Eileen that she messed up. No one's off the hook. Everyone has some kind of odd contribution that they did to form the do's and why did Deuces like that's a huge huge Melting Pot would everyone having issues Give Me Shelter says, it's the way of women in the life. It begs the question. What is pure feminism? A one of the thing called EPS actually herself a misogynist. My producer knows me. So well, I can't a person self which are sexualized early in their lives. I mean, it's so true though, like especially in La you guys I mean it is what it is. That's New York. That's the news fast forward to 2019 women do walk around still with price tags, you know, they just do on themselves. They do you know what that's what I think too. It is what it is. Gosh, man. I can't believe you have one more season and you know, I love how I love how George and David Simon. In our are just not making this show unnecessarily long adding one more season just to have a season. This is the perfect ending. We have one more episode to go next week. My girl Alexis will be here. I hope I did a good job, you know holding it down. It's so weird talking to myself in that screen. You guys are amazing because I don't even feel alone. I have my phone out of my chat again. Shout out to Michael Lee Give Me Shelter Cornelia my amazing producer, too. And then wait one more one more Michael a have that and then Joey artist. I think that's not that's something and then nephew Charming Chucky and our beloved Mo on Twitter who always makes the best pictures of me and Alexis and you are so awesome. I know you asked me if I visited the deuce when I was over at the East Coast. I did not I would love to visit the deuce one day if it still exists. I'm sure everything's changed. Anyway, I'm your girl Louise Tushar amati NIU You can follow me at Louisa Charles Martin on Instagram @ Lu Charles Martine on Twitter at Louisa Sharma to Facebook, and I do I'm on the radon of an after-show coming November 18th. 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Host Louisa Sharamatyan breaks down The Deuce, Season 3, Episode 7 "Thats A Wrap". Dive into the sex-trade and porn industry of the 70s in this HBO series with James Franco! Things are absolutely insane and the visuals in this show are amazing. So why not have somebody to talk about it with? On the THE DEUCE AFTERBUZZ TV AFTER SHOW, join our panel to discuss episodes of The Deuce every week Breaking down the storylines, plots, and debauchery, we'll be there! So be sure to subscribe, comment, like, and rate for cast interviews, news and gossip, and predictions all season long! Created by George Pelecanos and David Simon, who also collaborated on HBO's "The Wire" and "Treme," the semifictional drama series "The Deuce" tells of the germination of the sex-trade industry in the heart of New York's Times Square. It's the early 1970s, and the porn business begins a shift from organized crime-backed parlors to a legitimate, culturally accepted enterprise. A cast of barkeeps, prostitutes, pimps, police and nightlife seekers centers around twins Vincent and Frankie Martino (James Franco, in a dual role), who navigate the sex business after meeting well-connected mobster Rudy Pipilo. Their storyline, among others, merges with that of prostitute Candy, whose ambition and intelligence lead her to a more prominent role in the industry.

Welcome back my friends to another episode of best hour of their day. I gotta say this selfishly. I put this podcast out because of the amazing people I get to be in touch with the amazing people I get to talk to you guys will recognize the games athletes. The Austin maleo lows the Spencer handles, but you'll also see some of the best coaches in the world and while their names may not be as recognizable.The fact that I call them friends in the fact that I get to sit down and chat with them for an hour is just something that I'm so grateful for and speaking of grateful and I tell you a quick story about the guests that I have on here because you may not recognize his name, but I can promise you it filled devote the 30 or 40 minutes to listening to this episode is you're going to leave a more grateful person. I am on an effort I said it. Goal at the beginning of 2019 of reading a hundred books and it was super lofty and I'm chipping away. I'm in the mid-70s right now and full disclosure. I listen to a lot of those books as well. But I'm constantly listening and reading and trying to find new books and I stumbled upon this author Mark richt lau and I didn't know him but I downloaded his book and he's got so many great books. But the first one that I downloaded was the life changing power of gratitude. Jude and it was something about the way he wrote it something about how simple and easy it was that really resonated with me and we talked about it in this interview, but it's just what amazing coaches and amazing human beings. Do they take this complex subject something that's overwhelming. That's daunting and they break it down and make it simple whether it's coaching CrossFit becoming a better athlete or simply being more grateful. The best in the world take a complex subject and they keep it simple stupid. So first of all, listen to the interview secondly go check out his books. He's got quite a few books out there at this point now months later. I've also read his 30 days of change your habits change your life. I've read some of his other books out there from jobless to Amazon bestseller to how to become a people magnet to love yourself first. I'll tell you what It seems kind of cheesy. It seems kind of cliche. It seems like this dude's just putting a BS. He's not he clearly lives it. He's been nothing but supportive of the podcast. He's been he welcomed me with open arms. I reached out. Hey, can I interview? He was right on board with it. He's talks about checking out CrossFit to which is what I really liked about him. But even cooler. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to do a little giveaway along with Mark as you know, we always post Is of our guests on our social media at best our of their day, here's what I want you to do go to today's picture or go back and find an if you're listening to this a little bit later, you're going to see the picture of Mark and I want you to tag three of your friends that you think would also enjoy this episode and we're going to pick two winners at random. So all you have to do is tag 3 friends, but we're going to pick two winners at random and Marcus told us he will send out an autographed copy of his book 30. Is to being more productive to our two winners. How cool is that? Couldn't be any easier good or social media on Instagram at best our of their day. Hey, if you don't already like us or follow us or whatever you do on Instagram, please do that. But then when you do that tag, 3 friends, no big deal just tagged them. They're going to love it. They're going to get an opportunity to hear Mark talk you guys, you know gratitude is a super important aspect of my life. I have a To journal now thanks to Mark and I write three things every morning and three things every evening that I'm grateful for and it's all because of this guy so stay tuned. Listen to my chat. He's over in Spain the connections pretty good though. I'm excited for it hit us up and enjoy much. Love to Mark. Once again. Thanks so much for being on here. I'm proud to know call you a friend Mark richt Lau. All right. We're recording Mark. Welcome to the show. It's it's a really cool for me to have you on because like I was saying before him the red eye red marks book the life changing power of gratitude. Yes. Exactly. I read that book recently and it really hit home for me. I've read a lot about gratitude and I've tried to practice myself, but I don't know why but your book really resonated with me who you still there. I'm there you okay. You got frozen here a moment. Next unfortunately, although it's all right. He's in Spain right now. I'm in my closet in Florida. So but it's really cool to have you on and what I thought would be cool is to talk about a lot of this stuff you write about gratitude to write about habits and you personally went from jobless to a best-selling author. Yeah. Now here's what happens when I read that book. I'm like, okay I can do this. I can read these things and implement it but then part of me is like I don't I know if I can do that what Mark did and I you know, I want this to appeal. We have a lot of CrossFit coaches. We have CrossFit athletes. They hear that and it's like anyone you see Tony Robbins talks about all I have to do is think positively is it that easy? No. No, it's not that easy, but I can tell you if I can do it really anybody can do it because I'm like just a normal guy. I worked in a normal trip. I got fired in 2013 at the end of 2013. I was always really In personal development, but I was never doing I was never applying it and I also have a coaching training. I did a coaching training. So I'm a life coach and there and with all the books I read about personal development. I I noticed that there are many many exercises that if you really do them for 30 days 60 days 90 days, they really work, you know, like the Gratitude which will come back to or writing down your goals or whatever. So, but the only thing is that people don't Don't do it. They don't apply it they give up too early because they don't see results right away and things like that. So that's how I got the book and its really didn't I was I proved it to myself during my life because I'm doing these habits. I'm writing about not all the 90 all the time. But I look at I always can do five or six gratitude is always there and it really works and it's also what you said. It's not so easy to be positive and sometimes just being positive or two not enough. You know, we also have to accept that life is like this life is like a roller coaster and when I'm when I'm sad and not walking around I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm happy. No I admit to myself that I'm sad. I try to work it out as okay. Why what happened? Why am I reacting to a situation like this? But also sometimes when you need a little bit of power like when you did need to get through the day there are little tricks, you know. Like two like faking a smile like this. Yeah if you do this. Like with a pen or something in your mouth, but in your brain your brain thinks you're actually something good is happening because all the muscles in your face are doing the same thing. So your brain will start putting out all those hormones happiness hormones. So this is this is but this is a patch it had that can help you through a rough day. But at the end of the day you should I always Advocate I mean like really reflect allow your emotions. Don't suppress your emotions. Yes, but these are little tricks that you can do and that's why we come right back to gratitude gratitude is like the single best habit or exercise to do because you can't be sad and grateful at the same time. You can't be you can't be envied have envy and grateful the same time. So gratitude is like a little bit the antidote to all those painful emotions, which are totally okay, which we have them, but if we More gratitude we practice the better. There are more resilient. We get, you know, alter the difference between happy people and unhappy people. It's not that one's unhappy all the time and have these are set and the other ones aren't it's that happy people. They come they recover quicker from the painful emotions. That's the only secret and gratitude is a big help with that and it's all its training. I mean, I'm talking to trainers here to you're doing your coach. As you train your body and it's the same thing. Really. I mean you you don't get in a top shape right now because you're doing it for seven days. You probably do it in for two years or three years and we're with our mind. It's kind of the same and it's always the same they are always setbacks or sometimes things don't work or sometimes you training, but it's not working as well as on other days. So it's all the same. I think the most important thing is consistency. and Trust keep on working. Keep on working. Yeah. Well, he's had so many great things there and I think one thing you said that I don't want to overlook is it's okay to be sad. I think so many people get sad and then they beat themselves up for being sad instead of just accepting absolutely may be thinking about something they are grateful for to help him and I like that also, it's not that you can't be sad. It's just that if you're grateful you get out of that funk out of that spiral a little bit faster a little bit faster. Yeah, and the thing is really and it's That we talk about it because there are so many misunderstandings in that I get confronted with with it a lot when I go and National radio they say yeah, you are you're right self-help. You say people to all always be positive and then everything is here. I'm like no, I mean, of course a positive attitude helps but sometimes it's just not so possible to then I go. I mean I have like 20 or 30 dark days a year like 10% of my of my time. I'm not really happy, but then I reflect sometimes I do Greta. You to get out of it. Sometimes I just even don't want to do graduate. I just want to be a little bit like because it's sometimes you just have to like accept what I said accept it at the end. You get out of it better and you feel like better. I remember people ask me. What was a time in your life. You really remember and for me it was a bad breakup and rather than trying to rebound and get out of it happy. I spent 30 days on my couch watching romantic comedies crying. And it's what allowed me to get over it and really changed me for the better accept it for me. It happened. Also same thing bad breakup and my best friend. I was living with my best friend. He was like like on day one after the breakup. He was like no, let's go out. Let's go party and I was like, look, I'm handling things different. I will now be sad for a week. I'm going to I need this you have to clean everything out and then in a week or two weeks we go out like never before but now please leave me this my time too. Yeah also of being sad or Too Deep This is to deal with it, you know, and then when we try to overplay our sadness with saying we are happy or something it gets worse because the sadness will come sooner or later. So if we try to to cover The sadness sooner or later it will come out even worse. Yeah, like a Band-Aid. Well this episode and what's important to know some un control of it? You can get out of sadness when you want when you see it's good for you. You have two techniques you can gratitude is the most simple thing if you would trust remember and if you read the book, you know it so how What A Difference A Day Makes if you wake up and say, oh now my God now I have to go to work and you think of everything that goes bad or if you When you have your credit your list of all the things in your life that you can be grateful for and it can even be a bad breakup because this bad breakup made you a better person and then you read this. How does the they change it's completely different they show you have the tools. That's a really good point to sometimes. We're only grateful for the things we can we envision is positive rather than you know, I'm a big proponent of these negative things in your life are what brought you here without that break up. I want to be married to my wife. So look at this. So what you said earlier and this is true for crossfitters, you know, we mostly crossfitters. Listen to this if you're not been crossed. Mark go check what out in Spain but 300 meters over their head, but I didn't go there. So probably you will convince me is it I've been in Nuremberg. I've been to my buddy owns what in Nuremberg as well and they are from Germany. So yeah, it's it's the best Fitness training out there. But whoa too many crossfitters only focus on the fitness. That's it. And I you know, I read your book because this year my goal is to read 100 books. I found yours and I was like, okay I want to read this. This as well and for me, it's been actually less time at the gym more time developing myself be reading gratitude meditation. So say someone is listening that I've okay. I do need to expand where can they start? You know sure read Marx book. It's it's an easy read, you know, it's two hours maybe sitting down saying attention to do all the drills and I'll put the links up for his worksheets as worksheets are great as well. Where can somebody listening say? Okay, what do I start with b it habits or gratitude? Because I wouldn't easiest thing would be and I said many times I get contacted by people who are at a low point of their life and ask me Mark. What should I do? And as I look I don't know because I have never been in that situation but start with gratitude because gratitude has something magical magical and it's scientifically proven and you probably noticing it all if you doing the Gratitude every day so scientifically proven, it makes us more optimistic. It makes us see more opportunities, which is very important for the more opportunities. You see the more you will see sort of medically even if you won't see a lot now, you will sleep better. You will become more positive you will have less headaches and all the so gratitude is such an amazing thing because it's like if it was a pill everybody would buy it. So that's one thing if you don't know where to start start with gratitude, I would always always do that. But the other thing can you be more specific when you see a star? Gratitude, okay. Yep. It's so easy as only writing down three things three things that you are grateful for every day every damn thing in the morning. Yep for thing in the morning or lasting in the evening or both that even better and then also it's important when you write it down or to feel the Gratitude, you know, like when you're right on and it can be small things like today. I went to drink a coffee in a nice park and then really like feel how grateful you are for that moment to Let's three things a day and Those this exercise doing it for four weeks. It will change already things in you it will rewire your brain a little bit because you will be you know, that Focus, you know, when you focus on something you see more of it. So when you focus on things you are grateful for you will see the more things you are grateful for so I have for me for me, for example, I'm writing now 10 things every morning and I could write 15 because my brain is now so trained on see. I mean, I'm just grateful for I'm even grateful for a rainy day to day. Although it's a shitty weather here, but it's like yes good for something. I feel like confit here in my in my living room. So gradual is a lot then for the other habits because people also often has a margin of 90 habits in my in your book and which one which one should I start with it? Like stop with the one that comes most easiest to you, you know, this is not a competition. It's not it's just that it's you so and when you start With a habit that comes easiest for you, you will get little small wins quickly because if you start with the Habit to go running every day 30 minutes, I mean that can be a little bit tough and maybe you will fail a couple of times. But if you start with the happy to drink one glass of lemon water every morning after brushing your teeth, that's a habit that can you can Implement quite quickly and then after 5 or 10 days you go to the next one and you already have this win, you know. Already had one small Habit in there, which what they say is I don't know yours your unit. But they say that drinking like a water with a little bit of lemon. And first thing in the morning is like a very great thing to do and if you do it for two or three months, you will see health health benefits are really small habits. Second thing is make it as easy as possible. I do that. I drink lemon water every morning and I don't think it was your book. I was reading another habit book. I forget which one and people were training for For a 5K and they lumped people into people that had to run every day. And then people that only see the first thing they did was stand during commercials. That's it. And the people that started slowly like you just said more of them completed the 5K at the end because the Habit was sustainable except me. That's the big secret is because we are out sometimes I think we taking it too serious. We all take like we we think we have to start with them biggest habit first and weave Failed and we already failures and we don't try it for the next year and I'm always like saying to my people say like taking more easy, you know start with the most easiest and then if you fail it once or twice, it also doesn't matter as long as you go back to it because if you see it in the long term if you see it in a year, if you do a habit five times a week in a year, that's what that's 260 times. You did it. Whatever habitat. Is that still better than zero? It's not 360. But 260 is not so bad and because it happened to me before, you know, it was like, okay now I failed after 10 days after 10 attempts and now I'll leave it and that's 10, but if I would just go back as a okay, it's also a little bit about being nice to one sells not to be too perfect realistic or to do forgive oneself and say, okay. Well, I failed once I'm a human or I fell twice now. I'm going to go back to it because see you in over a year. I'll still make a lot. Of great improvements. So what I want to talk a little more about you you went from jobless to an international bestseller. Most people that's too much that's like I can't do that and you know other people, you know, I look at like a Conor McGregor. You know, Conor McGregor is yeah. He did. He's someone who believes exactly what you're saying. I'm reading Muhammad Ali's biography all these people that we look up to her are basically people that just do exactly what you're saying and we look at them. Them at such a high level but we don't realize they got there and you did the same. What was it like for you? What were those first steps? Like, I mean, you're jobless. It wasn't overnight. You wrote all these notes. So well, it's that's exactly the first thing that came to my mind when you are talking is like it took me five years. And the funny thing is yeah, you know the thing because we never give ourselves five years. We are we will everything now, you know, I mean, I want to be like Mark and in three months that's not possible. But in three years it is more or less possible and I really started I started small steps. It was a test a lot of small steps, you know, it was like in my case it was studying self-publishing then the idea of the book was was building a matter. Of course. I had all the time in the world the most Orton excuse I didn't have it excuse. I don't have time. I couldn't that I couldn't sell myself because I had all the time of the world. I was jobless. So I want you to that to study. I really since I left my job. I have eight hour days, even when I was trouble as I was trying to study or to research eight hours a day. So I need a new I needed this discipline. If not, I can well, I don't there's none. I don't know where I would have ended up. So I needed this discipline to work every day. And then let's see it. Like small steps, you know, I didn't set out to say okay. Now, I'm going to write a best-selling book and then I know I was like, I'm going to write a 500-word today or two thousand words a day and then it became a book and it was a book that didn't sell. So I did a promotion and then I wrote another promotion. I did another promotion. I was so close to giving up so many times. You can't even believe it and then but still I always came back regroup analyzed and then things started to happen. I got on the right promotion suddenly I had I had 40,000 downloads on Amazon. So I got in the Amazon bestseller list with all the big guys, you know with Tim Ferriss. Yes. He looking on your site. You were like number 15 right near, you know, some highly renowned authors. Yeah incredible ended but the thing is it all happens and then I just went on and there were bad times again when I didn't sell again. So I started again. What can I do to sell more books? Where can I concentrate on and it was and then that's maybe the best takeaway. The worst times when sometimes I didn't know what to do when you get really overwhelmed or something. I just always like regroup and said what's the next one step I have to do and that thing about yeah, what's the next step and you could actually go very far trust when you are ways to trust the next step it can it takes you a long time always with giving yourself time. It took me 5 years. Nothing happens quickly at least in my experience, but I know I notice you've got better and better. ER and then more those doors open because it's kind of exponential, you know, the beginning is often times harder than I don't know. I think it may be the same in CrossFit. Right and it's exactly what I was going to say. We have a style of workout that we call Chipper which means you chip away one thing at a time, you know, one of the biggest ones is called filthy 50s. There's 10 movements of 50 reps. And if you look at the big picture like I can't do this this is too hard, but if you're like, hey, I just have to start and I have to do this. First exercise now all of a sudden you're on the second third by the time you realize that you're done and too many people without I'm on my third book and people say how do you do it and my answer is 200 shitty words a day exactly and which never is where I stopped but it's like no matter what I write down 200 words and then the your to just break down that task. I think Tim Ferriss talks about it a lot. Yeah. Think about one task at a time. It's chicken. You know for a lot of these listeners and I'm a big proponent of it my wife and I went to upw Tony Robbins recently and we're big proponents of a morning routine. Absolutely. Absolutely. What is your what is your morning routine look like my morning would have various when I'm on that top productive. I got like when I'm writing or something I need to be top on the top of my game. I get up at 5:00 5:00 5:30. I do a walk of half an hour. Clear my head already then do a little do a little meditation of 10-15 minutes. Maybe just like trust breathing, you know, just like relaxing nothing mystical on my oftentimes. It's even a guided meditation of somebody telling me something and I'm just there and then I start with the Gratitude, of course, I write down three three things. I'm grateful for and I plan my day I play I get my all my things together and plan really them. Let's say three to five times tasks that I want to go want to do today. And it's great because when you get up so early at first, but I do that and I got up and fight back up at three o'clock. I'm bored because first of all, I mean from at this time from five to ten. I'm like double of three times more productive than on a normal day. So sometimes I laugh when people at nine o'clock when I see people get to work I think to myself I'm really half done. I'm ready to and then at three o'clock, I'm really I don't know what to do anymore. That's like when I'm really productive and when I am, sir, Like a little bit more relaxed and I get up at seven or 6:30, but more or less the same maybe skip the walk maybe do the walk a little bit afterwards. I never skip is a gratitude and the planning of my day and also in the last thing at night when trust before like turning off my computer. I already make a little plan on what to do. I want to do get to the done tomorrow because this is awesome. I write it in my book and my personal experience. I live it. I don't know if you can if you have comparable experience, but if I write if I write down my plan for tomorrow, what do I want to do tomorrow? It's like when I I sleep I already prepare myself in my dreams and it's like I'm getting up and I know exactly where to go. And when I don't do this then the morning is like well, I'm getting up now. I'm looking at my emails Hoops already 10 already 10 a.m. So not as much. Another stream lines. So it's also a good thing before going to bed like planning a little bit out the next day. Yeah, I like about your evening routine in the worksheet is you kind of also reflect on what happened well today so you can you know things that were well but also you're not above knowing things could have gone better. What could I have done better? Yeah exactly that it's something I got from a client I was doing there was one of my first clients like five years ago six years ago and I am was doing this exercise with him and he said I need something else. I need some I need something else. I need to also to look at what I have done so well, but without beating myself up and I said great I will put that in my ritual to and there's this like to say, okay, what could I have done better today? Always like the words a little bit positive because beating yourself up about what you did wrong will not help but it really helps because then for example if I had Side with with somebody or something. I ride on I could have been more patient like could have shut up, you know, just like swallow so it or something and it's so great because it gives you a great perspective and then maybe next time you it helps you to react to your to react better in a situation like that. Sometimes it doesn't help and you will go just the same again, but also over time you learning a lot, you know, because if you reading it every time I mean nothing like journaling when you read it every time Time and maybe on a Saturday I would read again everything of the week just to yeah to go over it again. And then you can see your patterns. You can see your reactions and then it will it it helps you also to react better the next time well one thing we promote all of our coaches is after you coach a class stop and evaluate how you did you know, and it's no different than this. It's absolutely not just the last hour, but maybe the, you know the last 16 17 hours, but if you're not I didn't prove you're not going to get better. You're going to keep it the same mistakes as a life coach. Although did this when I have sessions. I also do it. Like I'm I'm evaluating myself. Why did I listen whether or not so really I mean so but if I would have you if I would have to resume the best is like really and it's really also them because I'm investigating a lot about self-esteem about people relationships about credit and the base is most of the time X is like self-reflection like everything starts with self reflects everything, you know, even self-esteem or gold or happiness everything starts with that like to look inside you and what do I really want or also analyzing yourself where I'm doing? Well, where can I improve this is one thing self-reflection gratitude. I wrote this book about gratitude because I noticed since I'm because my main book my best-selling book is 30 days change your habits change your life, which I came out five years ago four years ago. And since then whenever I was asked Mark, which is the Habit you like most or what do you think is the biggest ingredient to your success? It was it was gratitude. So the more grateful I got the better my life got it's really amazing. That's right. It's it has something magical and it sold. Last year, I was sitting there and then I just yeah, I got to go to write a book about gratitude because it's just so important and that's right. It's a very small book but but I just wanted to put everything in there everything I ever said about gratitude everything that maybe like to really describe it so that everybody can do it and you saw it is even something to because sometimes we are not in the mood to be grateful. Sometimes you want those also have a little bit of self-pity and it's okay also. But still the solution is gratitude. Yeah, we as I read the book one thing that really resonated other than the drills are super easy as being grateful for those hard times. That was really one thing. You know. I had a few hard times. I look back and you're sad or you're still grieving and realizing those things shape you those things, you know, one thing doesn't change in your life and then all of a sudden it's a completely different life if you never lost your job we wouldn't be talking. Right now it's sickening. I know that you'll be in trouble. Yeah, because the first time I was trouble is I was in Germany and then I decided to move to Barcelona and I'm living in Barcelona Spain which is one of the greatest cities and I just talked with my mother about it a couple of weeks ago because we passed Hard Times alternate from them from my youth. My life was not a word we're going to park and her life wasn't she really said she said it's like incredible because all the negative things that have happened to me. At the end they had something positive. It might take like a year to year five years to find it out. But you look back and you like actually think that is what you said, you know, and so I like the positive better. I like the nice life better, but every but if like shit hits the fan it's okay and I can and it's all just something for me when I'm going through hard times. I always remember, you know, it's like I did it wonder I did it five times. I will do it. I will come out of it this time again. I can be resilient once and you get better at it. Also, the more times you pass through these situations you get better at it and more resilient. And this is a may be a great comfort venue for people who listening to us. Now who are in a bad situation really something is there is really something positive is hidden there and maybe you don't see it now. But maybe in a half a year or in the year, you will see it and you will be grateful for it. Yeah, I think for some reason people always assume the worst is going to happen. But when you take a look back at your life and you realize you've always rebounded you've always been resilient, you've always move forward rather than thinking it's going to be bad. You need to think back and realize I've always done this it will go. Well, it'll move in the right direction. Who's the enough? Yeah, just because you reminded me of another great thing. Because I don't did you see Brenda Brown on Netflix? Oh, yeah, she's great. I've read all of her books accepting. That was one thing when you said because I had that before and suddenly it disappeared because you remember but before when maybe when good things happened and then you are like me. Oh, oh my God, it's going to well, I'm sure something is going to happen. Something bad is going to happen sooner and you always had like not this I had a lot and then suddenly disappeared and I didn't know I trust not didn't notice. And Brenda Brown talked about it and they studied people like this and I studied people who who didn't have this. Yeah. We'll just leave the know life is good and then we'll go on good. Why should something bad happen to me now and then they found out what they had in common gratitude. Yeah, so that's and I said wow another one another one for credit to it. So it's also nice. It's such an antidote to everything. Everything gets better your relationships get better because when do get relations, it's gets our when you're not grateful for your friend for your partner anymore. I had my job. I mean I got fired but I got at the end what I wanted because I was not great grateful at all for my job anymore for me. It was a burden horrible job. I didn't want to go there so I don't know the universe or or Destiny or whatever or just my bad attitude took care of it. I got fired. You didn't want to be here anyway, so and it happens to many people. I don't know a lot of people in Spain. There's a lot of now a lot of chocolates people and also for my friends, but I don't know anybody of my friends who said oh God. I got fired from a job. I lost everybody was like, so most of the time for them. It was really like also a Liberation to do. Do something that I didn't there before? For me, it was totally not your ear coach. We preach all coaches that have coaches who's been a big influence on your life. Oh, I have many coaches. I mean, we also taking them like like in sessions bad my influences, of course, as you said Tony Robbins Wayne Dyer all those great personal development writers, but I also take coaches when I see that I get too comfortable when I get too comfortable or when I see where I want to go. Go. Then I take look for a coach for a mentor who has already achieved what I want to want to achieve. So for me right now it was with books because I wanted to sell more books. So I did a course of of one guy who sells loads of books Mark Dawson. This is name is a British writing crime fiction something totally different than mine. But he's selling like a million dollars of books every year. So I'm like, okay. I'm interested. I'm going to see so At the moment I considered it a lot of that but surely always with a coach everything is easier. Mostly even if it's only for accountability because we have also this sometimes that we sacrifice more or we we are more motivated when we have somebody to be accountable to like for example for me getting up at six o'clock in the morning to go running. It's very difficult. But if I'm asked my neighbor to go running with me at six o'clock in the morning, it's very easy because I don't want to Jalen him right? Well, I'll send you a message at midnight tonight to remind you to go run at 6 a.m. Since your six hours and oh yeah, you are so I thought if you want Kelly that's too late because it will be 9 o'clock. But I guess that we have on here. I always like to ask a book that they recommend obviously all of your books are phenomenal. But do you have a book by someone else that you would recommend the listeners check on? Yeah my at the moment or always my favorite book of the Here is the Happiness Advantage from Shawn achor. Tronador is a researcher a happiness researcher and he really liked collected all the scientifical proof that we have already about the about that happiness really is an advantage that it is that happy brains work better and more productive a more creative and I love the book because when I wrote 30 days, I wrote it more letter of out of my experience. Of doing these things and say, okay look this works because it worked for me and somebody could say yeah well markets great it works for you, but that doesn't mean it works for me. But then I found Sean Acres book or tronic or I don't know how you pronounce it and he has all the he has the science and it has also the science about the Gratitude in it. He is the scientist about productivity in it. So attitude really helps a good a positive attitude helps optimism helps. And we can train it. It's habits. It's meditation. It's going for walks. It's gratitude. That's how you get more happy still. Like what you said in the beginning being positive is great if it comes from the heart, but if you are faking you're not doing yourself a favor, so you nearly but you have the tools to get there in a natural way. Absolutely and I don't I'm a big proponent of I don't care about the science so long as it works and I did exactly you know, what comes first gratitude or happiness. Wow. That's a great question. I think. They go hand in hand. It's a big gratitude leads to Happiness and happiness leads to gratitude because but it's like you said earlier. It's hard to be sad and grateful at the same time, except lie, really and it's hard to be is it's just it's also hard to be stressed and grateful at the same time. So really gratitude is the antidote to a lot of painful emotions, which are normal which we need because it's like look for today. It's raining. That's the way it is tomorrow. The sun will come out and with our emotions the same thing. So I'm not sitting here now and think oh no my God. Now the next train three month. It's going to be raining. No because tomorrow the sun will come out. So when I'm sad, I also don't think oh, no my God now, I will be sad all the time. I think yeah. I will I will come back. I will be I will find my way back. I have the tools but it also very good. Sometimes it's really what I'm watching. A lot of stand-up comedy right now. Are these short videos? Videos short videos on Facebook or YouTube Just To Laugh to laugh really hard until the tears come down because that I do before going to bed. That sounds like exactly what we do. We love watching stand-up comics before because it just relaxes you. You don't have to think do you think I would recommend the office to you if you've never watched the office? Yeah, I watched it. I what's that buddy? Re-watch it. I just I stop liking in this when Michael was leaving. I stop it, or maybe now I have to What's the rest but I wasn't the state's the last couple of weeks and I have I watch a couple of like episodes and it's just always great. You know. Yeah, I love it. It just relaxes me puts me in a good mood and I agree doesn't it's not as good with Michael leaves, but it's still pretty funny cool. It's been great chatting with you. Is there anything I missed anything you wanted to throw out there? No, I'm totally happy. I'm happy to have peed on your podcast lamb time. Yeah. Hopefully we will introduce you to a new audience of cross. Outfitters and in time, hopefully you and I can stay in touch. I will get you to do CrossFit yourself. You don't know shit about it. I just over there but it looks so exhausting. So I'm like nah, but now maybe you can convince me. I'm not going to lie. It's very exhausting but it's like any new habit Mark. He just starts coming up with excuses. You know, if you go online, you'll see some phenomenal athletes in their 60s and 70s. It's never too late. It's never too late. Is it that's what I always say when people have excuses. I'm too old or Too Young you just go to Google and you like your excuse explodes in your face because there's always somebody old who is doing it or somebody young who is doing it's great. Exactly. Well, I really appreciate you coming on. It's been great. I look forward to reading all of your books. I know it's from the series right change your habits. Change your life. 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Marc Reklau is a Consultant, Speaker, and author of 7 books including the #1 Amazon Bestseller "30 Days - Change your habits, change your life", which since April 2015 has been sold and downloaded over 170,000 times and has been translated into Spanish, German, Japanese, Thai, Indonesian, Chinese, Portuguese and Korean. He wrote the book in 2014 after being fired from his job and literally went from jobless to Bestseller (which is the title of his second book). The Spanish version of his latest book "Destination Happiness" has been published by Spain's #1 Publisher Planeta in January 2018. Marc's mission is to empower people to create the life they want and to give them the resources and tools to make it happen. He writes about habits, productivity and happiness. His message is simple: Many people want to change things in their lives, but few are willing to do a simple set of exercises constantly over a period of time. You can plan and create success and happiness in your life by installing habits that support you on the way to your goals. If you want to work with Marc directly contact him on his homepage www.marcreklau.com where you also find more information about him. You can connect with him on Twitter @MarcReklau, Instagram, Facebook or on his website www.goodhabitsacademy.com ----- Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts!

Like Herbie. Hi, Sarah, welcome to gloss Angeles brought to you by hum nutrition hum nutrition was created out of a need to heal the skin from the inside out sign on to how nutrition.com we're registered dietitians help supplement your personal wellness and Beauty goals. You can even take a three-minute quiz and get mashed with a personal dietitian who will match you with your ideal supplement and give you a detailed nutrition report or check out the best selling red carpet. I meant for glowing skin and hair or skin Heroes pre and probiotics to maintain the health of your gut and skin all on hum nutrition.com. All right, let's talk about beauty news UT news. Okay, so we only have one story for beauty news. See big juicy one. Yeah, and that's drunk elephant has been acquired by shado for 845 million dollars. Holy Lord. Jesus way to go. She said, oh, yeah, I mean every day Else have any Masterson? Holy God. Like is this the biggest acquisition ever? Like no because it is not Mannix was 1.2 billion. Yes, which I was reading the Forbes article and it said that drunk elephant was hoping to be valued at like around that but at it says but even at 845 million dollars, the implied valuation is more than eight times sales making the drunk elephant acquisition one of the biggest ever. Were for a skincare brand. Yeah. So for skincare, it's definitely the biggest huge massive. I mean, I've been making this joke on Instagram but drunk elephant is now Rich elephant. Yeah, and as mad as Hannah DM to me she was like that drunk elephant is sipping on crystal now. Yeah, seriously like top shelf. Yeah top shelf drunk. Here we go. So I think by a lot of people are a little bit wary of this acquisition, obviously. Well, of course because drunk elephant is cruelty free shado. The parent company is not junk elephant actually just acquired leaping bunny status. I think in February and in my opinion, I think leaping bunny is probably the most respectable cruelty free option. They have all they go through their more Discerning when it comes to who applies to be a part of the program and and so then do they take it back? Now, okay. No, so they're still cruelty free and this that's a great question because I think that's what a lot of people think. Yeah, like they're like, oh great. Now they're going to test on animals. Yep, my to go twos when it comes to being cruelty-free are Tashina Combs from logical Harmony and cruelty-free kitty, they're both cruelty free blogs and they are a wealth of knowledge for you know, what constitutes its cruelty for you're not I spoke with both of them. The wet and wild situation happened if you guys remember earlier this year cruelty-free Kitty actually broke the news that she'd been sitting on for a while that wet and wild was selling in China, which is a huge Nono because and this will get to the drunk I'll appoint selling in China is literally like the one thing you can't do to maintain cruelty free Status. It's why so many Brands don't don't yes and like when ours started selling in China people lost They're shit after shit because like and I love Nars, but Nars came out and said we don't personally test on animals, which is great. But you sell right in a market that requires animal testing. Therefore you do test on animals. Like I think that it is kind of a BS thing for Brands to say we don't test on animals, but we do sell here where the regulations require it. Yeah, because obviously China is a huge market and so it's a huge Market. I seriously thinking of money. Yep, and I see why it's lucrative, right? I get it but it's yeah unfortunate when a brand like drunk elephant. Well, we're not saying that they aren't going to be cruelty-free any longer I cut you off. No, it's good. It's just concerning. Yeah, it's concerning and I think there's a rightful concern. Now, a lot of people asked and Tiffany Masterson who created drunk elephant. Who by the way, she's going to pocket a hundred twenty million from this just going to see ya and BD she's gonna stay on as Chief creative officer and president. So she's still going to be actively involved in the brand people asked her does this mean you're no longer cruelty? Free and she said no we are still cruelty free. We are not selling in China. We wouldn't have done this if our morals and ethics didn't align and and that makes sense because she's shado while not cruelty free like they had Brands like Nars and Laura Mercier and create a pojo that sell in China. They also represent Brands like Bare Minerals and Buxom who they remain cruelty free and they do not sell in China. So if you're ever wondering like it is such a confusing topic. I feel like we could have a whole Episode devoted to it. But if you sell through e-commerce to China that's different than selling in store in China basically, like what I'm gathering and maybe I'm wrong about this and I would love to have it like a true expert come on. But if you agree to sell in China in the China Market, you have to test the product on animals because that's what they regulate like, that's like how you would even get into the store to make sure that it won't be harmful to people and then if they have any like recalls or something happens with the product that they're a little little suspicious of that's when it also might be tested on animals and you can actually sell in China and still be cruelty-free be a part of this program but not a lot of people are a part of it. So I wrote about this when the wet and wild thing happened and to be sold in China and be cruelty-free. The only options are to be sold online or to be sold as part of a pilot program through cruelty free international and so cruelty free international. All is it big like cruelty-free organization? And this pilot program includes six Beauty Brands that they're selling in China that are cruelty free and are going to maintain cruelty free Status. However, it's not like every Beauty brand can be a part of that. Like I think China is trying to Veer away from animal testing but like they're not there yet. Yeah, which is why so many people that want to stay cruelty-free are so adamant. Like do you sell in China? Yeah. I honestly like I love what And wild I think they make great products for their price point but I try to get to the bottom of this and they didn't give me an answer. Yeah, I was like why like, how are you guys selling is this act? Is this like legitimately Wet n Wild or is it just some like fake know it was like a whole, you know, Gondola a product being sold in this huge store in China. So clearly they're aware of it. I think what a wild if you'd like to get in touch with us. We would love to have you so you can like clear the air on this but there was never a definitive. Yes. We're selling in China are know. Not selling in China and I think that as a customer myself and somebody in the beauty industry being forthcoming with information is way better than avoiding the issue. Totally. I love it. Tiffany came right out and said, you know, we are acquired by a company that doesn't practice the same like things as us, but that's one thing we're keeping. Yeah, I think another concern for obvious reason it obvious reasons is like when a smaller brand that it gets to be, you know, super Hands-On with the formulation. Russians and you know, you're really get to be very Innovative with the products that you're creating and I think you know Kirby and I know when smaller Indie Beauty Brands they can be more apt in like creating products like quicker. Whereas if you you know are acquired by a big company those things take longer. There's a lot more, you know that has to do with the approval process. So and then also formulation. Oh my God formulation changes. Yes. So actually the only thing I'm scared about right what's because like obviously like cruelty. That would be a huge huge bummer and a huge loss for so many of their customers, but the formulation is I think what set dumped elephant apart from so many of its competitors and why people fell in love with the brand and so I think that that is something that they're going to really have to prove to their customers that they can still stick to the same formulation. Yeah, because I mean we've seen it time and time again Brands get acquired by huge conglomerates and then changes chick change it ever in stock up on your trunk. Listen, we're going to be responsible for everybody. Purchasing. Yeah drunk elephant out the Wazoo know, I truly hope it doesn't affect the formulations to be determined. We don't know right but we've I mean I've experienced it where I'm like, wow, this palette sucks. Yeah. Yeah or when you know, you are one of a handful of other brands, you know, you're not really getting the same sort of attention or whatever. It's not a priority. And so then you know, you can feel that in the quality of the products or whatever. No love though that they were acquired by shado. Yeah. No because I do love majority. If not, all of the brands that are under the Shiseido family. So but yeah, it's just kind of I mean that was a huge shock but congratulations side note from that Forbes article. Yeah. It says that beauty 500 billion dollar industry. This is why we have so many shitty Beauty Brands people. It's too much. It's too much money. Nobody. No one industry should Could have that much wealth truly. Yeah. No one man should have all this power. No one from Kane like Pops in my head and I said that but it's true. It's like like I was joking with Sarah when we were talking about this before we started recording and it's like we need to create a beauty brand because it's just like that's what people think they're like, oh by hundred billion. How do we get in on this? That's why there's so many celebrity brand so many influencer brand. There's this is why there is not enough. Vacation in the beauty industry. This is why like when we get psyched about a skincare brand or a makeup product. It's because it's Innovative and not because it's just like another thing coming out totally cool. Okay, so we have a great guest this week. Carrie Strom is a senior vice president of Allergan u.s. Medical Esthetics. She leads the only all-female leadership team in the aesthetic injectables category overseeing several iconic and best-selling Brands, including botox cosmetic and Juvederm collection of fillers. In addition to her leadership role at Allergan Kerry is also on the board of the Orange County chapter of the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation and is passionate about mentoring young female professionals both within Allergan and through outside organizations, please welcome Carrie to the Pod. Okay. I feel like you're a walking billboard for Allergan and for Botox not that you look like you have it done but like your skin is so beautiful. You have great texture. I mean, I'm a fan come on. Not so much. I love you. You're like tell me more, please. Thank you so much for coming. We're like, I mean we've been wanting to do a podcast on Botox and I think a lot of our listeners have so many questions and like who better than to answer those questions and you thank you very much for having me. I'm excited to answer all your questions and your listeners as well. Yeah, of course and you know your I love that you love to give back to women too and it's breast cancer awareness month. So this is Extreme probably extremely special time for you right now. Working in the on the chapter. Yes October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. It's very important to Allergan as a part of our Aesthetics portfolio. We have the natural breast implant and tissue expander line. Oh, wow. So neutral breast implants are used for women who want to have cosmetic breast augmentation, but also importantly for women who have had mastectomy xanda need a breast reconstruction. Our devices are very important part of their Journey back to kind of getting their body back and there their whole selves After cancer, and so it's very important to celebrate breast cancer awareness month for allergy. And then also I do sit on the board of Susan G Komen and so it's an important month for us for Fund Raising awareness and education. That's fabulous. That's incredible. That is incred. How do you have the time to do it? I wonder exactly let's figure the let's like take some luck. Yeah. It's from Keri. Honestly, I'd be up a task. Always. She's like I sleep one hour a night. Yeah, and that's totally okay. So I think it's time for What's on our phaser what's on your face? What face also? Okay, great. Where do you want to start or do you want us to give you a little example of how it goes? I'll take a stab. Yes, I travel a lot and airports while of Mac makeup because it's an every airport and I picked up a new hot pink Mac lip gloss. I'm loving right now. Do you know the name of it by chance? Well put it in that know. We'll put it in the show now. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Awesome. I'm a Mac fan I am to who is it glass? Yeah, and like you said that's like they're in every airport. So if you forget it at home, you can lift like pick it up. Exactly. So convenient. They need one of my favorite mascaras to it's the one that it's like big bat big bad lash big bad. I don't know but it's a double mascara. So there's like the normal lid that you twist off and then you have the applicator and then on top of that lid as an even smaller applicator that you can twist off to get like the inner corners of your eyes and I Like to use it to tight line to because you can get because the brush is so small. You can get really really close to your lash line. Okay? Yeah, what else is on your face? Oh what's on my face? So I actually have no makeup on currently because I'm shooting a Halloween tutorial and a few hours so have to be fresh-faced. But I do have on skincare obvi and one product that I've been loving for probably the past couple of months. I've been testing it out is bliss glow and hydrate day face serum you can get it. Target is $22. It has nice in amide in the hyaluronic acid as well. We all know what hyaluronic acid is and how it works. It's in filler, which is amazing, which will love that tie in. Yeah, how are you Nick wey, wow fabulous, but what I like about it is you can wear it during the day and it helps kind of like blur imperfections. So if you feel like your pores are looking too big or you know, maybe you're breaking out a little bit nice and MIT is a really great ingredient for Take outs and it's super lightweight. So I feel like in the morning. I love to go crazy with serums. But sometimes they can pill depending on like what order you put them in and what's in them. I can always apply this first and then I never worry about pulling with anything else. I put on top. I love that especially in the morning when you're in a rush and you're trying to do your skincare. You don't have time to wait like you do in the evening. Yeah, exactly. It's a little less luxurious in the morning, right and it's cruelty free and vegan. So awesome. Love Bliss. Of that. Okay. Well, I'm wearing not that anyone's asking but I'm going to talk about what's on your face Sarah. So I got the new Kylie lip kit, which I didn't even usually they don't send me stuff which is really surprising that I got it Sarah. This is a big day. I know and I know you've never tried it. So I'm going to give you like they sent me for so you get to pick one color, please or you can share this one with me. Oh my God, it's her new Kylie Jenner lip blush. So it's a new formula of a matte lip. So it's a little bit more of a sheer Matt wash. I mean it's buildable. Obviously. I like a bold lip, but I really like how it feels it's comfortable and it doesn't look as drying right as her other matte lips. Okay? Wait, I so I think I might love this versus her other lip kits because usually they're super matte. Yeah. I feel like they look cracked and exactly and my lips like when I smile you can see like my skin totally, you know what I'm talking about. Like there's a clear line from like the dryness and the wetness of my lip. Yeah. I feel like this would blur Little bit more exactly. I think that's why she's calling it a little wash. Do you think that it's kind of like the clay Cosmetics lip powderly? I think that that's very trendy right now. Okay, is that sort of like airbrushed lip, look where it's a little bit more comfortable than like the matte lips lipsticks from last year that were you know, super drying like you said, but this one is I'm blushing. Oh cute cute. Yeah, so I just put it on we'll see how long it lasts. But seriously, it's a big day that that Sara got the PR saying from Kylie. Yeah, I mean for a while we are like do does she even realize that digital Outlets exist, you know, but we're happy now yeah, are you okay? Well, I love what's on your face. Thank you. I love your face just in general. Let's talk about what's really in your face and my face. So if you have like my Instagram is basically we just talking about injectibles all day every day. I really love the Innovation that injectables. To the beauty industry and I was actually talking to somebody a couple of days ago about how why is it when we talk about our skin care routines, we don't include injectables. Like I think people are starting now to be like, oh, yeah, I get BOTOX and it's not a big deal. But remember when it first came it was like if you got Botox no one talked about it. It was it was like a kin to plastic surgery in a way don't you think so carry people were so scared to just admit that they They were getting this done. I don't know why we color our hair, right, you know and we didn't latch extension beginner eyebrows done. I feel like injectables are on the same level and so I was the last one out of my friends actually surprisingly to start, you know, dabbling into the injectables realm and I got one thing I was worried about was obviously looking like I got it done like that was the number one thing I also because I had I Surgery when I was little I had heard that sometimes depending on where they put Botox in your forehead it can cause like the speaking of the brow. We look like Spock or whatever and I had eye surgery when I was little and I'm like, I already have a really heavy eyelid. I don't even even need an even heavier one. So I was really concerned about who I was going to see and who were the best injectors and how to know all of those things and I guess throughout the years of really just starting to care about this part of my life. I've learned a lot and that's why we have care. Here carry is the person to answer all these questions. We actually put it up on our Instagram. What do you want to know about Botox? We're going to be answering a lot of y'all's questions, but I think we should take it back. So Sarah Jeremiah King as a whole. I'm opposite not opposite of Kirby, but in the sense that like I've never gotten Botox before so like a lot of our listeners. I have a lot of very introductory questions for you, which is great because like you said write what a lot of people are asking exactly so Botox is obviously not new. Can you explain how long it's been around and the research behind it? And actually one of our listeners wants to know specifically if it's chemically synthesized. So botox cosmetic has been around for 17 years. And in those 17 years, we have built the medical Esthetics market. So your point around injectables being thought of as surgery or as taboo. We have come a long way in those 17 years, right? Right. So in 17 years, we have gotten three indications for the product I can talk about what that means to have an indication or not. But botox cosmetic is FDA approved for use for moderate to severe forehead lines for your glabellar lines, which are like those elevens or those fur lines in between your eyes. And then also for the dreaded crow's feet and what that means is that we did the studies and the research and the work and got the FDA approval. That doctors are able to use those in those indications and we can do training and promotion and that area in the past 17 years. I would say that people thought that it was like something you should hide or it was stigmatized. We even had a campaign that said everybody will notice but nobody will know. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that's so good. And so it was really toughing into that idea like you want to look your best, but you don't want anyone to know you got Botox. Ox or Juvederm and that's not the case anymore. Our latest campaign is really about owning it and being authentic and for botox cosmetic. It's called own your look. So, you know own your look and you can look like yourself but just with fewer lines and that Taps into the other objection that you all mentioned, which is something we hear all the time and the number one barrier to people getting botox cosmetic or Juvederm is a fear of an unnatural look. Yeah, so they're all like I want to try it. Don't want to look bad or crazy or you know like that celebrity. I saw that clearly got bad work totally. And so that is the number one barrier and that is why our campaign is called own your look you can look like yourself but with fewer lines and you have the trust of 17 years of experience with this product and what's really interesting about. Botox is botox cosmetic has her sister, which is Botox therapeutic Botox therapeutic means that Botox is not just used for cosmetic uses, but it has As 10 soon-to-be 11 therapeutic indications and then there's 30 years of evidence to experience there. Okay. Yeah, so that's so dr. Jessica. Whoo. She is an Allergan approved injector and has been working with you guys for a while and she's actually the person when I first interviewed an expert about Botox that said this isn't something that we just like popped up like five years ago we decided okay, we're gonna start putting in people's faces. Allergan is a company that has all this backing and Behind it. They have to be FDA approved because Botox is technically a drug. Like you can't just go and pick it up and do it yourself and she was like, but there's been 30 years of therapeutic indications for it. Right right exactly in all sorts of areas, like overactive bladder for spasticity for it's a neurologic condition after some days maybe had a stroke for chronic migraine and we're studying it for even more indicate indications, which some of them are just so fascinating like atrial fibrillation. No, it's not and so for somebody who's had open heart surgery and they're having an atrial fibrillation. Botox will be injected there. Wow, and then the most recent which I'm so proud of to work at Allergan a company that got Botox approved for children for Pediatrics best to cities. So as young as two years old, some of these kids are getting doses that are 10 times what an adult would get for cosmetic use and it helps them if they've had cerebral but they have cerebral palsy and they have a stiffness in their joints in there. Upper Limbs and soon to be an indication of their lower limbs. This can really be an important therapy for them and their parents and their caregivers. That's amazing. That's really so you covered most of the on label cause are all the on label cosmetic uses. Can you explain what on label is you kind of said it but just in laymen's terms, I think people are going to be like, wait. What? Yeah, what does it mean label? Right? So what areas is it approved to be on label and with his own label mean? Yes. Great questions. So Health Care Providers and doctors can use their discretion to use approved products. However, they see fit and that is common that they do that when it comes to neurotoxins like botox cosmetic botox cosmetic is approved in those three areas the forehead the glabellar lines and the crow's feet and no other approved toxin has all three of those indications. So we're very proud and happy that we have more than anyone else and what that means is that we did the work and the research and development in the clinical. At ease submitted to the FDA had the FDA review and they gave us those approvals. They said yes Allergan, you can promote and trained doctors and Healthcare Providers on using your product on the safe and effective use of those three areas. Now, that doesn't mean that doctors might not use it. In other areas. It just means that Allergan isn't going to provide training or patient education in areas outside those three cosmetic areas and we are looking to get more. Indication. So right now we have those three in the upper face. We're looking to expand botox cosmetic use in the lower face with active clinical trials right now for the master. Yes. Sorry, which is literally like her jaw muscles were expanding so My face started to look like the shape of a trapezoid because it was like larger than my actual forehead. I love BOTOX for masseter, but I always specify now especially after spending time with Allergan team this past April. Okay, I'm telling you that I do this and that my injector who knows who's been working with all again for years knows how to do this, but it's not on label for the masseter muscle. So make sure you go to an expert that knows what they're doing so that you don't end up with any, you know, yeah counter indications. Anything like that, right? Exactly. Okay, that's perfect. Advice. The masseter many injectors will inject Botox cosmetic for the masseter muscles, but it's great that you just make sure you ask your injector with their experiences their and how they've been trained all it means that it's off label. It just means that Allergan isn't going to promote it or educate patients or doctors about it until we get that FDA approval. That's great. I love that. Yeah. Okay. So for newbie like me, how long is Botox supposed to last and do you have Tips for how often you should be getting it and how we can make it last longer. Yeah, so botox cosmetic last three to four months and so people who get treated with botox cosmetic. Oh, you know a couple times a year to keep it up and there's no real secret to making it last longer just go as often as you'd like and have the effect lasts as long as it works for you is like I said is about three to four months. Okay do okay. So I was actually talking to an injector. Out this and she was kind of like I don't know why people say this if you have a very active lifestyle and your you work out a lot or you sweat a lot a lot of people think oh, well my bear my Botox wears off more quickly because it metabolizes it more quickly. Is there any truth to that or are you guys like allowed to even like discuss that? Yeah. I've heard that to I've heard people say that they believe that they can a process through the product faster or slower. We don't have data to That one way or the other but I'd say everyone has their own experience with every product that they use and they should do what works for them. Yeah. I personally get it done twice a year. Yeah. I like I'll notice around like five and a half months Mike. Yep, that that you know 11 that I have going on is coming back. Like I can't and the 11 is right between your forehead guys just in obviously guys can't see me pointing to it. And I and what about you Carrie? How often do you get BOTOX done? Well, I'm very lucky because I have access to botox cosmetic. And fantastic injectors all the time. You are so lucky say I'm a regular. I'm like four times a year good for you girl. Okay. I want to know like who you go to and all that later. Well, yeah. I have a question for that. But yes, so here we have a listener Mia inkle. Is that how you think you say her handle and am IA l n CL is it l or II don't know. I don't know. I'm yeah. Hi Mia. So she wants to know for those of us who have never gotten Botox before. Or what does it feel like I think this is an interesting question. Yeah, because I'm sure I mean, I've never gotten it done, but I'm sure like, you know, we were talking earlier. It's very specific to you. Yes, exactly. Can you both describe what that's like, so do you want to talk about what it feels like when you get injected sure, so I'll talk for my personal experience and then also from you know, how we talk to our consumers and our patients and our friends and family is you go into the office and it Can take 10 minutes. It's a very simple in-office procedure. And of course you want to make sure you're going to a well-trained injector and it just feels like a bunch of just pinpricks then it's I think it's quite easy. It's the build-up is always worse than it actually is and you're in out of there in 10 minutes and then how it feels afterwards is once you feel a botox cosmetic kicking in it just feels pretty much the same to me. I don't even really notice it it The smoothing of the lines on my forehead and crows feet and glabellar lines. Don't really impact me or I don't know his notice much of a difference. I don't know about you Kirby. Yeah. I remember when I first got it done. I'm not afraid of needles so that wasn't a problem. Are you afraid of needles? I'm not. Okay. Yeah, so I know a lot of people are straight up just like yeah, I can't do it. I don't close my eyes though. Yeah, same I don't want to like see it one time. I did actually use a little mirror. So yeah, some people who like hold mirrors to see Like what's going on? Everybody did it first? I was like, I don't actually need to see the yeah, truly don't know but it just feels like pinpricks. It's super quick. Obviously a trained injectors key, which we have a question about this in a few minutes, but you don't want someone that just is like, oh great. I've seen five patients like let's like this is where you have consultations with your injector. And you ask how long have you been doing this? How long have you been in ministering this? You know, you want someone to be honest and upfront with you about you know, I think a lot of times consumers Go in and they might see something that they want fixed, but then they'll ask their injector. What do you think? I should get done and I don't think in any injector will specifically be like, well you could stand to use this this and this or get this in this this done, but you want someone that's going to be honest with you like, okay. Listen, if we put it in your forehead like I don't know if it's going to actually do anything for this or whatever it is, but it does not hurt. I think people think you're going to walk out in your face is going to be swollen or Liking or whatever or whatever and that's just not that's not it at all. It takes a couple of weeks to see the results of Botox, right? Yeah, I would say you could see results within a week or so. So it's not like you walk out instantly with the effect. I will also say there's really no down time to yeah, you could get it done at lunch and you leave no one would know anything and within a week you're going to see most of Europe benefit. That was actually a question. I don't know if it was a silly question or not. But is there a better time? Time during the day like an ideal time that you should be getting your Botox son morning evening. I've had some injectors advised that maybe don't work out for a few hours afterwards that does I think is injector by injector. So I don't think there's really any limitations in terms of what you eat or drink or do or don't do somebody is might want to take take it easy and for a few hours afterwards, that's up to them. Yeah leaping. Do you have to sleep like no. No, I mean if I Supposed to I failed I clearly failed. I love sleeping on my side. But yeah, I've gotten it done literally like midday and then like been to an event at night and no one knows you can't see any like marks like there's a lot of Instagram accounts now like like celeb Durham or cosmetic dermer. They just take pictures of celebrities and they're like all close-ups and they ask people what they think this person had done. I remember reading a few comments a couple of days ago on someone's that was like you can see her injection mark X from when she got Botox and like that's a poor. Yeah. First of all, like let's say you don't need you can't go like you don't notice when people have had it done which is what I really love about it. But yeah, and then I would say mine kicks in probably like seven to ten days later and it's not that you feel it. It's like ooh the botox kicked in it's like you try to Furrow your brow a little bit and you're like, oh wait. Oh, it's a little bit harder. It's something that you don't realize you've never felt that feeling until you have this. And totally you know what? I mean? Yeah, because obviously it's relax. Yeah, which is nice. I know when I have had it injected into my masseter, sometimes I'll go a little more often than I probably should so like if I'm yawning. I'm like, oh wow. This is a weird feeling because it's like keep it, you know, like I'm trying to open my mouth but it's so relaxed tight. It doesn't open up all the way and it's just funny because my oh, that's the botox like it's scary. Am I right? It's like it's hard to explain. Lane you're feeling right. I will look in my rearview mirror and I say up there it is. Yeah and then but it's so subtle. Yeah, you're really you're the only one who notices you just feel like you're smoother and fresher and and you're right just maybe it's that kind of feeling that goes along with it is very subtle. Exactly. Okay, so I want to talk about preventative Botox and whether or not you know, it actually prevents wrinkles from forming and if so, what age should you start? Bennett of Botox this is such people debate about this. Yeah all day every day. I think there's like thousands of articles online. Absolutely. What is preventative Botox is a real what age is like the ideal, you know, who's ideal candidate for young? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're hitting on the key point, which is not if you're going to get botox cosmetic. It's when you're going to get botox cosmetic and our label. So I mentioned you know, the FDA says what you're approved for says that adults says young as eight. Teen can start using the product according to our label and we are seeing that Trend come through a lot more. So traditionally the typical age of a botox cosmetic user is in her mid to late 40s and we've seen that just in the past year come down. So we're seeing that this trend is really bringing the average down in a lot of our promotions that were doing. We sell botox cosmetic gift cards. For instance. Wow more than half of them are being purchased by people younger than 40. Our best present ever. It's a gift that everyone loves its our web traffic to our botox cosmetic.com website majority of it is people younger than 40. So we are seeing that Trend come through. Wait. I have a question about this gift card so we can you hit team it. Yeah, like do you you can redeem it at any like Allergan approved injector. How does it work that botox cosmetic gift card that we have right now is buy it for $75 and it gets you a hundred dollars. Okay. Okay, so two hundred dollar gift card that basically you got $25 off on and it's used through our loyalty program which is called brilliant distinction. Okay. So if you're a brilliant distinctions member or if you aren't you buy the gift card and you register or you add it to your account and you can go to any any injector that's a part of Brilliant Distinctions, which is really almost all of our injectors and they will know how to how to use it for you. So it's like any loyalty program and you points you have you'll just take it to the office and they will cash it in. Oh, wow, so it's like Network that's what is that what Brilliant Distinctions is. It's like it gives you access to a provider Network Brilliant Distinctions is our consumer loyalty program. Okay. So think about your Starbucks app or your American Airlines loyalty program, it's like that but for medical Esthetics, it is by far the largest consumer loyalty program in medical Esthetics. We have six million members and it's a loyalty program that will reward loyalty that one set you to do more. So for instance if you have a certain number of points based on going for the Last year, you can redeem those points towards your next Botox treatment or Juvederm. Oh, this is a this is how are you not part of the Loyalty primary and even know about this point you could be collecting the terrible Botox function. How did I not know this? This is amazing. Yeah. Well make that six million in one when I say I'm gonna sign Sarah together whenever she's ready to go. We just rubber up in there. Perfect. Okay. So, let's see. What is the next? What are the myth? Yeah the myth. Okay, we this question popped up several times and it's once you start you can't stop. Is that a myth is that true in the terms of like once you start? Yeah, you can't stop because then your skin is you through it. That is a myth that I just started hearing recently. Yes, and it is a wide started that Island held miss. It was so interesting. Resting to me that that there's this fear that once you start using botox cosmetic, you can't ever stop because you look kind of like way worse than you did when you started and that isn't absolutely a myth. I'll shatter that myth right here the facts and the reality is that when botox cosmetic wears off within three or four months, you look just the way you did before. Yeah. So if you didn't like the way you looked before and you look like that after then yeah, you can't stop that. But but no, there's absolutely no kind of negative or detrimental. Are regressive effect to it. Yeah, I mean listen when I see myself without when it starts to wear off. I am like yeah. Oh, I do look worse, but it's like with any things like when I get my hair if my hair is not colored. I'm like God like I'm right or like you or you with your eyelash exactly. I like I don't know who I am exactly. Who is that black if you stop working out, you know, it's not yeah, you just look like you would without it. Such an I want to know who started that it is. Definitely someone that someone Iran time. Yeah, of course the deep dark web rub scary place, but on that same, you know know should we be worried about the effects of Botox long-term, you know, what will our faces look like 30 years from now after you know, what will my face look like in 30 years? Carry? That's what I want to know. I just want to make sure I don't go crazy with the Bobo but I do that this out also though like a real concern for people why they maybe haven't started getting it before is because they're worried that it hasn't been around long enough for us to know what all of our faces are going to look like when we're 70. Yeah or whatever. Yeah. So I think this is a time where the Heritage and the track record of a product that's been around a long time comes in handy. So and data of course is very important. And that's why we continue to pursue these new indications and do all these studies we have Most 5000 published studies for botox for cosmetic and therapeutic use and over 30 years. Like I said 17 of them being Cosmetics. So I think that that track record is very comforting and reassuring and we will continue to generate that data moving forward. Yeah, and maybe that's just people just don't know they're not aware that it has happened. You have all those studies that it has actually been around for 30 years. Yeah for the therapeutic use 30 years and we have injectors that have been Playing with these products for a very very long time, right and it's like, you know, it's called botox cosmetic, right so that the consumer understands. Okay. It's for the aesthetic right? But at the same time, I think that that can be a little confusing to people because then they think oh it's a cosmetic thing. It hasn't been around as long it's not as research like they don't realize like who Allergan is like the parent company and all of the information and and trials and clinicals and all these he's things that Allergan has done to make sure like getting up to you approved is not easy, even though I feel like the Cosmetics industry in general is super unregulated like botox cosmetic is a drug. That's why you have to go to a doctor to receive it. So that's why I like I think that's what I try to explain to people because I it's one of my most popular questions that I get asked about. You know, how does it feel like, how do I know? It's not going to mess up my face in the long run and things like that. So, you know, I think that obviously it's totally fine to be Questioning like you want to know what you're putting into your body and into your face, but I also think that with a little bit more research on the consumers and they will learn okay. This isn't something to just popped up out of nowhere like when Instagram got started. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so I've just kind of ties into your next question. Yeah, but there's always room to like pull back do less units, right? So if people maybe you know are maybe they had got too much Botox. Yeah. Let's Say and then there, you know that the traumatized them but truly that they can find someone else or they can just do less. Yes. Absolutely. So there's the product and there's the practitioner so everyone should should research their practitioner their injector based on what's important to them for instance. Ask questions about how many years of experience have you been using it? How many patients do you treat on a weekly monthly yearly basis? What is your board certification if that's important to you has a how have you been trained? So There are really important questions that you should ask based on what's important to you and botox cosmetic.com has a find a specialist tool so you can search in your ZIP code for for botox cosmetic injectors that are around you and to your point around the product I say that cuz exactly right. So for me personally, sometimes I want more movement in my forehead than others. Sometimes I want a more dramatic. Look sometimes I want a more natural look and you can calibrate that up or down depending on what's right for you and you know the discussion you have with your after I think one of the I mean I keep saying like I think this is a big question, but I feel like all of them where they are. Let's be real. I'm like, oh I get this many units my face then they're like, well, how many units should I get in my face? How much should I be paying and I'm like woman? I don't know. I don't know you and I don't know you and real life look and I don't even know for myself. I remember I went I see dr. Nancy Sam mellitus at fasil. She's a board certified dermatologist. And I also have seen nurse Jamie. I have seen Vanessa Lee from The the in the things we do who's great and you know, they all have years of experience doing this and I've asked each of them. You know, how many units of Botox do you think I need in you know, my like in between my forehead or to lift my brow or you know in my masseter and it has very each of them have has varied, but I also remember I talked to dr. Samuel lightest and I said I heard Add that you take your age and you double it. So if I'm 32 Carrie's rolling her eyes, she's like no so that sounds super scientific. Yeah, I know. She's so how old are you again? Okay, great. So I'm like, I'm 32. So I need 64 units of Botox and like, dr. Sam's like what like no same rumor started by the same Reddit user totally and and I think the point when I'm trying to say is because I did write an article about getting Botox in my masseter and Helping with TMJ. Obviously. I talked to all the experts and said how many units of Botox so I had to ask how many units of Botox do you think that somebody should typically get and it truly varies by the person and that's only something that a practitioner who has been doing this for years with a ton of patients under their belt can really tell you in terms of pricing. I mean La I think is probably more competitive just because it's LA but then there's places that I like if I go back to Texas where I'm from it's way more flight not cheaper. I hate saying work cheap, but it's more affordable. I guess is there like a standard cost that you guys advise your practitioners to charge. It just depends on the practitioner practitioner and their office and I would I would encourage people to think about paying for the outcome versus paying per units, right? So you want to go in and you want to choose an injector that you trust and Then you want you put your face in his or her hands, right? And and that outcome is so important. And since we know that the number one worry is a fear of an unnatural outcome. Make sure you go to somebody that you trust use a product that you trust and pay for the outcome. Don't try to nickel and dime based on units or any of that stuff. Yeah, that was actually really smart. Would you say like in this world of you know, Instagram social media so many people will, you know try to find their practitioners using Instagram and finding you No, the photos of their patients. Would you advise people doing that? I would advise asking to see before and after pictures that are their own. So some injectors will use before and after pictures that are you know in books and some will use and take the time to compile their own that has a nice a nice volume of before and afters and then you can look and you can say Okay, are these natural looking do they look like people that are like me are these the type of outcomes I And a half and I think that's a really important thing and most injectors do do that. Most have a rich volume of before and after pictures that you can look at whether they're on Instagram or they're in their office or on their website and it's to that point. I think I've said this on podcast before but make sure that you know, if you're if you're on your Instagram explore page and you see an injectors, you know page and you start going through it. There are some things that you should look for to make sure that they're actually using their own photos because now there are so many aggregation accounts that are just like Like this this and this or people that are saying oh I offer this service, but it's a bunch of other practitioners photos. Make sure that the photos look the same like every like the angles the lighting even the background of where they're taking them just because I know way too many people that have had the experience where they go and they expect one thing and they realize their injector was not the one that did Total all these people on their page which is super deceptive, but We live in this social media world now and Instagram unfortunately can not be used for good. It can can really be detrimental and also it carries other point. It's your face. So like yeah be willing to invest in your face is like don't yet exactly don't nickel-and-dime based on how many units you think you want listen to your practitioner. They know what they're doing, especially if you did your research and you feel comfortable with them and go from there. I wouldn't be like, okay. I only have 400 Or suspend right? What can you do with that? I think that's the wrong approach. I know that kind of sounds like a privilege thing to say but really I think it that's not the way to go. My other question for you. Carry is is there anything that people should be wary of or aware of when it comes to finding a practitioner? Because I do think that is the most important part is finding someone that really knows what they're doing. Yes, I would say that's a very important decision. You have to make the good news is there are Was in thousands of very well trained very well experienced injectors for botox cosmetic and that's a part of this being on the market for the past 17 years. Right? So many have built their entire practice on this and a very well experienced. I will reiterate the key questions. I think you should ask are the number of years you've been treating patients the number of patients you treat on a weekly monthly or yearly basis your board certification and how you've been trained so we run out. Allergen Medical Institute, which is our medical education and injector training program. It's very rigorous. We train tens of thousands of injectors a year. That might be a question, you know, have you been trained by Oregon Medical Institute? And so I think that's very important and then the other Isis the practitioner and also the product make sure you're getting the product that you expect. So there is only one botox cosmetic. Botox is a bit like Kleenex or Coke, right? It's used as a category. But really it is its own. To and if somebody is saying that they're using botox cosmetic or another toxin just make sure you're getting the real thing. How would you estimate it? Like would you actually look at the little vial that it comes in to make sure or like like I mean, I'm I would have no fear of being aggressive and being like bringing out the box like that just comes with finding a trusted certified practitioner. Yes, a trusted practitioner is going to give you what you ask for. For many people do ask to see the vial and I think that's a very fair question to ask and last but not least. If you're a member of the brilliant distinctions loyalty program, your points will only work if they gave you botox cosmetic. So that's a nice thing to rely on awesome. There's one other question that I did want to address and this is personal. So feel free to get personal to carry but a lot of people were asking like does it change your skin texture like, you know, is it going to impact your beauty routine? Anyway, I feel like it only impacts it positively when I love getting Botox because I feel like it actually makes my pores look smaller. I know that's not like an approved thing that Botox claims to do but because of the way that it Smooths out the lines around my eyes, I feel like it ends up benefiting my whole face and I've openly said that when people are like, oh your skin looks amazing. What are you doing Michael? I'm using this product this product. Also. I got Botox like four weeks ago. I feel like that has a huge part in it Botox in my Lassiter has really helped my jawline to it's just helped with me like with mental relief as well. Just because when you grind your teeth all the time, it's extremely painful, but I think it only impacts my skin routine in a positive way. And I found that it makes the texture of my skin overall look better. What about you? Carrie? Yeah, I would say we hear what you just said all the time. I personally love having my lines smooth so that when I'm putting on my makeup, everything is Kind of going on more easily. I feel like I am looking having my inside arm. Excuse me, my outside match my inside and kind of look like the best version of myself. And like I said when I'm looking at that rearview mirror and my car I know when it's kicked in and I know what I need to go back. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that light's not forgiving in the car. So I totally agree and I always notice in between my eyebrows like that 11. That's when I'm like, oh, yeah, it's not alone. Yeah. I know I I feel like a lot of people also noticed that okay. Awesome. So I think that answered most of the questions that we if not, all of them is if anyone has any more questions, where is a good place we can go to get some answers about botox cosmetic. Botox cosmetic.com is our website. We have at botox cosmetic our Instagram handle and of course you go to your doctor or your healthcare provider and they can answer all of your questions about botox cosmetic amazing. Carry. Thank you so much for being with us today. And so much I'm like not as scared as I was and now I'm like ready. When are you gonna go and get my nomadic? Oh my God. I'm like, where is she get it like look at her skin like I might preventative though. I mean, okay, whatever. I'm going to take you with me to my next I call it Bobo. I'm going to start. I'm just going to trade market Bobo get my next Bobo appointment. I'm doing probably like two or three months. I'll take you with. Okay, so you can like see the whole process. I would love that. Maybe we'll record it for Instagram and we'll send it to carry. Yeah, exactly. So you can approve guys. Thank you guys so much for listening. This episode was actually because you guys were really passionate about learning more about Botox Cosmetics. So, please please message us on social whether it's tweeting us posting the Facebook group or messaging us or commenting on Instagram. We love hearing from you. Be sure to follow us on all places and don't forget to subscribe on Apple. We're on Stitcher Spotify and all major podcast platforms. Leave us a five star. View and we will see you next week. Yeah. Thanks guys. Bye.

Let's have a bo-talk, shall we? If you've ever wondered about injectables, how they work, their side effects or anything else regarding Botox and fillers, you'll want to save today's chat. Our guest is Carrie Strom, Senior Vice President of Allergan U.S. Medical Aesthetics. She leads the only all-female leadership team in the aesthetic injectables category, overseeing several iconic and best-selling brands, such as BOTOX® Cosmetic and The JUVEDERM® Collection of Fillers. Carrie is filling us in on everything you've ever wanted to know about injectables — including questions you sent us — from what effects Botox will have long term to what you should be looking for in a good practitioner. We also discuss Shiseido's Drunk Elephant acquisition for $885M, and what that means for their cruelty-free status. We love Logical Harmony and Cruelty-Free Kitty when it comes to debunking who is cruelty-free and who isn't. Also, here's the article Kirbie wrote regarding the Wet n Wild cruelty-free scandal earlier this year. Products mentioned during What's on Your Face: Bliss Glow & Hydrate Day Face Serum, $20 Kylie Lip Blush in I'm Blushing, $16 Thank you to our presenting sponsor HUM Nutrition! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney.

Hi, this is Renee. Thanks for joining me for this practice. The episode you're listening to is recorded segment of a workshop. I gave on embodied astrology tools for surviving and thriving in 2020 in this segment. I'm working with the energy of your honest in Taurus, which I explained a little bit at the beginning of the recording. This is a movement and voice practice that doesn't require anything more than an open mind and space to practice in it would be best if you have room to lie down.Move around a little bit. And if you're in a place where you feel comfortable making strange sounds to loosen up your voice. This practice is a great accompaniment to another hour-long somatic movement practice from the same Workshop called inner alignment that practice. I've Linked In the show notes for this episode. If you're interested. I hope you enjoyed this exploration. Please stay tuned for a brief sponsorship message and I'll be right back with treasure your body. Hey friends. 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Okay, cool, so in the last hour I hope we would have two hours for this but you know time Saturn I want to explore a little bit of of Taurus and what's happening with Taurus Taurus is another Earth sign like Capricorn and it rules the accumulation of matter so not so much Capricorn like Time something build slowly slowly slowly but it's like how do I accumulate? I want to draw it in towards me. It's an attractive element of matter. Taurus has a lot of Association to food, right? We build our bodies through eating and through pleasure like my like that I'm going to try and get it and bring it into towards me or into my life. Taurus is therefore also really associated with money with economies and with wealth, right? Yes, pleasure. I want that going to try and accumulate it. I want to save it. So you're honest is in Taurus for about seven years. It moved into the sign about a year and a half or so ago and it is a very disruptive kind of energy. It's the modern ruler of aquarius. So I talked about Saturn in the fortitude to choose and choose A New Path. Your honest is like the aha moment. That's not necessarily about fortitude. It's like something coming out of the blue and going oh who could do different. So that's Uranian energy. It's like Shake It Up. Let's do something else and it can have like an aha kind of like lightning strikes feeling to it. Okay, so we're going to work a little bit more with a body practice and I again, I hope that all of these body practices that we're doing are accessible and that they're also tools that you can bring with you. So let's spread out into the room. And what I'd like to do is just find a spot find a spot to be. Oh sure. Christine's gonna going to play the which one you're nuts gong Wu this will be great. Okay, so I'm going to go in the middle of the room find a spot to be take up some space. Life insurance, okay. Find a spot to be you can be in any shape that you want. You can sit you can stand you can lie down. And choose one part of your body to begin. I'm going to choose my knees. So just one part of your body. And what I want you to do is bring attention into that part of your body. And let's bring attention a little bit through mobilizing. little movements also touch stimulating your skin may be scratching or rubbing. Then I'd like you to also use your eyes to gaze upon this part of your body. And I want you to start to greet your body as a treasure. And you might even say it you can whisper it you could say it out loud. You could say it in your mind like oh God. My knees are such a treasure. What a treasure and then think about this idea of treasure Treasures are sacred. They're so beautiful. They're precious. They're valuable. And start to move through your body greeting your body like a treasure. And it might feel like a practice that might not feel a hundred percent authentic. Or it might feel deeply deeply real. But just try it out find a part of your body and be with it a little bit and then treasure it. Really love it. This is your treasure. This is your body. Can you regard it with surprise? Like? Oh my God. You're my body. You're my treasure. Like you're just finding it. Oh, I've had it all this time. What a treasure. Can you find new places in your body treasure treasure? As you go through your body, you might remember some of these structural places that hold weight or that hold lineage story and you can even go through the body part into the subtle layers and you can claim them as Treasures. anything that you find treasure Now what's your imagination with your touch with your fault sense? refuse to be owned This is your treasure your body your treasure. No one else owns it. Refuse to be own refuse to be bought and sold. This is your body. It's your treasure claim it. And if there are ideas or messages or practices that are living in certain parts of your body that feel like they're owning you sweep them out. If you want to move around and make gestures move around and make gestures. If there are ways that you're imposing on your treasure from the inside out. Trying to give your treasure away stuffing it somewhere Shake It Out. Breathe It Out I'm gonna invite us to move into more of a shaking practice and for this I need for me to stand up, but you're welcome to to siddur to lie down, too. and when you shake You can shake one part at a time. You can shake the whole thing. You're shaking can be small. It can be big. Let's invite little earthquakes into our bodies. Let's feel the places that are fearful. Rigid and just shake them out. And you can keep loving on your body. You can keep feeling that. It's a treasure. And it's like you just Unearthed this treasure and you're going to shake off the dust. I'm going to shake off the sediment shake it Shake It Off. Okay, you don't have to be any way that's not authentic to you. You don't have to convince anybody. You don't have to uphold anything. Shake It Off This is Your Life humans have been on Earth for three hundred fifty thousand years. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. You might live to a hundred. It doesn't fucking matter. This is your life. This is your life. This is your treasure. You don't mean to live for anybody else's idea of what you need to live for. You get to decide. Expel the voices that are telling you otherwise get those ignorant fools out of your head space out of your belly out of your heart. How do your crying get him out? This is your treasure find pleasure in your body. Where is a place in your body? That feels pleasurable. Let the pleasure expands so feel good to shake out. Shake it out it feel good to breathe in breathe in so if he'll go to Resource find resource is your treasure. It's your pleasure. Sick sick sick. Sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick. Sick sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick. Sick sick sick, sick find one place in your body that you hold insecurity feeling like you're not enough feeling like you should be something else. I Shake It Out fill yourself with breath. How's your breathing you say this is my treasure this part of your body treasure. Okay. Now the insecurities shake out the fears. Goodbye. Six-six-six 666 666 engine last 30 seconds get it out. Get him out. Okay, pause. Notice the tingling notice the space. Feel your breath. We have trouble with change when we're excited for it. And we're scared of it when change is coming, please Shake It Out. shaking let's start to walk again through the room. Hey, we're going to work with some sound sounding. It's okay. The gongs can assist. Okay, so we're working with sounds of the vowels a e-i-e-i-o-e-o you start to let them come out the sounds of the vowels. Explore them at your own pace and your own way a yeah find different pitches different registers and let your face really stretch around the sounds. Hey I owe you. Vowel sounds and we'll start to have conversations with each other purely through the vowel sounds. I would like you to be an instigator try and instigate something with the vowel sounds hey. Hey, hey EIEIO Now, let's try and harmonize with each other. So like we're chanting own but we're going to do just the vowel sounds. Okay, it can be any vowel sound is just rolling. Keep going. Keep going. Keep sounding just stop walking. Close your eyes and listen. Notice how you feel and your inner body? Notice the sensation in your heart and in your head. Where we are, let's just open eyes and step into a circle. So all year long by sign Taurus is assisting Capricorn. We're moving out of a Trine Jupiter and the Sun and trying to Uranus receiving their helpful influence. But all year long just by sign. What's happening in Earth is we're getting assisted to do this work that we're doing in Capricorn to do the transformational work when we allow change in. When we find ways to Resource ourselves with pleasure. Taurus rules the body you're on a school's Awakening. So we want to think about this Transit as an Awakening potential Awakening the body through pleasure. This is our Birthright pleasure. All right, it's a beautiful Earth. We live on beautiful bodies. We inhabit Taurus rules the the voice and the throat the lower jaw and the throat chakra when we give voice to something. We make it real right when we say like, I'm going to get a snack very tourist thing to say right then and get up we walk over we get a snack. When you say something you make it real so we want to open our throat chakras with your honest and Taurus. We want to let ha this starts to spread out and stretch out. So all that work. We're doing with the massage at the earlier portion that's working with the rigidity in the structures that Capricorn rules right The Joint spaces, but then especially working up around the mouth and the throat can really help us open the throat chakra Let The Voice. Come out if you're feeling stressed or tense go lock yourself in the bathroom and do the vowel sounds for five minutes and it'll help you if you get a friend on board and you have a conversation and vowel sounds that's even better than it'll probably make you smile. Okay? Little that's a quick quick dip into Taurus.

This episode is a recorded segment of a workshop I gave on Embodied Astrology tools for surviving and thriving in 2020. In this segment I’m working with the energy of Uranus in Taurus, which I’ll explain a little bit at the beginning of the recording. This is a movement and voice practice that doesn’t require anything more than an open mind and space to practice in. It would be best if you have room to life down and move around a little bit and if you’re in a place where you feel comfortable making strange sounds to loosen your voice. This practice is a great accompaniment to another, hour-long somatic movement practice from the same workshop called Inner Alignment. You can find that practice by clicking here. I hope you enjoy this exploration! If this work is a benefit to you, please support it to continue and leave a tip!

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I'm one of your In the end we and to my left is the amazing say hi - Hi, how are you? Well, you know my eyes are red and puffy and looking a hot mess because this episode took me all the way there like all the way there. I mean, I'm not crying you're crying but I was really crying because it was so sad. I mean Ripley R.I.P. Yes. It's just it was just a lot. Yeah, I think what what the writers did with this is I think that we've like I said in the open we've all experienced some type of loss and I think that this Uh, so just stirred it up in all of us and plus we didn't want Vic lie to not be Vic lie and who knew we had two weeks of sadness, like literally I was crying for an hour. Yeah. Basically it but doesn't it feel like they just got together and then bam he's dead. Yeah. It really does feel like that. They gave us no time with them know even though Lucas was on the show for a while. They didn't put those two together. You know last-minute was like a two minute decision and boom. Let's rip our hearts away and just make all the fans having and I do have to say this. Yeah over the week. A lot of people have like diems and the comments on YouTube all that. The fans are mad a mad mad. There's a boycott going on people are writing ABC. Some people wanted to be a dream sequence all of the stuff and people are boycotting so much so that did you See that Instagram video that brought put up so handsome. So I mean, yes, it's so sad but yet also he was so handsome and the accent just I love my tagged you in. Yeah. Okay. So he put up a video guys. If you haven't seen it go to stations 19's Instagram and take a look at it. But he was basically like don't boycott station 19. Hold on for Vic and see what happens and I hope there are other jobs available for him. I hope this means he's moving. You know, he left the show solely to move on to another. So hopefully we'll get to see his smiling face again. You still have Dean calm down. Oh Dean, and I you know Dean I'm here for you. I'm your shoulder to cry on Dean when you need me. It's not just Nikki that's here for you. I'm here for you. Oh my goodness. It's so funny. So I think that's our overall thoughts. Yeah. I it was it was just really sad. I was choked up and you know, what? Damn you Levi Schmidt came in with those flowers that part that's when it got to me. Me. Yeah, I mean the whole thing got to me. I think that I don't feeling super emotional or the writers just nailed. I don't know but we open up with Andy and Maya and the awkwardness of their friendship and also them trying to be there for Vic and I think that what was what shocking and what was really important to me in that opening scene was everyone deals with grief differently and some people want to do for you. Like do this do this do this. I'll do your laundry. I'll cook for you. I'll do this for him and Everyone deals with it so differently, so it's interesting how we try to all cope when there's a loss. What were your thoughts? You know, I was surprised to see that Vic was staying with them, but I was happy to see that it happened and it forced Maya and Andy to focus on someone else other than themselves, which was good. And I think it gave them perspective on the situation that they're going through. So and I'm glad that Vic had two people to rely on and she went to her girls during this time. Yeah. I definitely think that she had because their family and I know that we've talked about that quite a bit and they're the dynamic Trio but I also think that she really did have Travis and Travis does however back so as a station they all stuck together and it was interesting also to see how each of them dealt with it. So next was Ben and Ben was by himself. He's at the beach and they were just kind of taking it all in because I think as a surgeon he knows how to like put everything. Proper compartment and deal with grief as grief and then there was the Union Jack at The Boathouse. What did you think of seeing them in the opening scene and how they were dealing with? It was just interesting to see how the men and the women were coping differently with this this grief to see been walking along the water and him having been a surgeon before and experiencing death before I was wondering I wonder what this meant for him and later on. We saw that he just didn't even know what to expect. Expect from like a firefighter funeral as this was approaching and ejected and Dean it just gave them an opportunity to sit to sit back and reflect as well. So everyone was kind of reflecting definitely what I think that it's a lot of five for me at least for Ben was that he his surgeon training is going to make him an excellent paramedic and he's and he's able to deal with any situation any emergency at any time and so Not even knowing what a firefighter funeral looked like he was going to be able to handle it and he showed that I made car and we can talk about that when we get there. Yeah, I thought Travis played an important part because we know from this whole this season last season from his whole storyline that he is one of the few people have dealt with death. Yeah, and especially someone that is your life partner so his perspective. I thought was important. I thought that You really stepped it up. And I also think it was a healing situation for him because up until now he was the only one that was dealing with grief at besides Andy and Sullivan to yeah, but dealing with it and that he hadn't moved past. Well, I guess it's a fresh for him. Yeah. I think this episode showed that even though they're all we've all had grief and they've all had grieved. They're all in different like stages of grief and I think his was the freshest. Still agreed and he was the one that hasn't moved past it yet. Yeah because my he with Travis it was two years just the passing of Michael was only about two years ago. And he said that she was nine years old when her mom passed and then Sullivan, you know, he was an adult. So all these other people had experienced it but for Vic, it was like fresh two weeks old to get two. Yeah two years for Vic at her I wasn't for that shit just happened. What weeks ago. Yeah Vic. At the coffee shop in complete denial and anger and just she really played all of the stages of grief and it was so heartbreaking to see her and it was heartbreaking for her for me to see her not be able to deal with that. Yeah and isolating herself and I love that her firefighter family was like no, we're not going to let you go through this alone. Yeah that was being she was being I'm really stubborn. So that was upsetting but when she told Cam the waiter at the the diner, oh, yeah, my husband's at work. I was like, oh no like for me if I experienced some type of trauma. I don't even go to places that remind me of the person. So the fact that she was able even to step into that Diner sit down have a coffee like it was a normal day. It showed you how far her grief had gone. Yeah. She was in denial denial. Yeah. She was all the way into my own your you know husband is not at work. He's passed and you're not dealing with that and then Had a Ripley and Andy and Ripley kind of dealing with it through his eulogy and trying to get help from others and have actually Andy Reid the or write the eulogy. She's like, I'm not good at I can't help you and he went to Travis and I was like, I can't help you either. Yeah, so actually forced him to do it himself, but when it all came down to it and it was the one that gave him the best advice speak from your heart. Yeah. Speak to him and the rest will just come naturally and it did and it was so touching and what we'll get to that as well. But what did you think about that point? She told him like when Andy told Sullivan be raw if you need to be raw and that would like you said was really good advice. But can you imagine holding a grudge with this person? That was once your friend for so long and then they died just as soon as you make up with them. I'm sure that's something that Sullivan was struggling with to just like them finally. Becoming friends again and then he's gone from his life to like we were already sat as the fans to see Vic and Ripley. We just met them and then he's dead and put Sullivan also had to was like coping with that as well. Just like it. He didn't have enough time Gone Too Soon. Yeah, he did what I think was good though, is that he they got Their closure like they got to come back and be like, you know, what all the years are not erased by the few years that we weren't talking like you will always be my friend and we're all good. Like I said, we are all good. I want to talk a little bit about Dean and Dean them throwing out. I love you to his mom. I love you to his mom and he's like, well, she says it after every phone call. So I figured you know, especially when there's a tragedy you have to make sure. At the people that you love know that you love them say it all the time. So it kind of I'll tell you something. I've learned that probably it's about 10 years ago. Now I had a friend whose Dad passed and he said that to me said Linda, you know what the one thing I'm missing is. I love you too. My dad. He's like make sure that you say you love I love you often. Even if it sounds crazy to say all the time all the time because as you never know when it's going to be the last time so that is something that I've lived by for like the last 10 years. Wow. That's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah seeing Dean hearing him say I love you to his mom and that phone call. It showed that they both had come had opened up a little bit more than they had in the past. So he was opening up. She was they had come to like an unspoken agreement. And like he said it was because things were going well with Nikki when I was like Nikki who like when did that happen? We suck. It seemed nothing. I'm Nikki after the first date and now things are going well. It was very strange, but I was happy. I'm really excited about this Nikki Dean irritated on I didn't know when this you know, the head like progress but we saw it last time where he was like should I accidentally like text her or call her we stopped in the last. Are you rolling your eyes? 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Guys, thank you so much for being on our live chat and joining us. We love hearing from you moving on. So let's talk a little bit about Ryan. Mmm. So Ryan shows up at the firehouse. He hears that there's something a supply Caravan to the LA fires, which we'll talk about as well. Yeah. So in that key tells Andy that oh, by the way, I'm going for a tactical paramedic training in San Diego. And I'll probably be gone for a couple of months. Oh and by the way, I'm going with Jenna. Mmm. It's through Andy all the way off. Were you surprised by her reaction? And were you surprised that Gemma because we've talked about this you and I yeah, Jenna was able to push him when I'm sure the enemy has been pushing him and she said that she's pushed pushed him and suggested these things and he's never done it. Yeah, I was surprised by any reaction to Ryan telling her that he's going away for this paramedic training. But again, we know that Andy doesn't like people playing with her toys like once she dates someone in her mind, they're always hers and it takes her a little bit of time to kind of let go but when she's forced to let go she holds on but then she finally learned so I think that's what's happening here. She you know, Ryan has been a friend for so long. So they need to kind of separate in order to spread their wings in their separate directions. I don't think he's gonna go but we'll get to that in the news and predictions. So we move Onto the 8 car in the call that they go on for Nate. So first of all, I was I was already fragile from this episode, but when they walked in and he had the chandelier because I love chandeliers stuck in his chest like that. I was like, oh, I don't think I can take this. Yeah, that was intense. I saw the spark and then I saw things poking out of his body. I initially thought it was like he fell on a chair from like falling from a ladder. I did not realize until they said it that it was a chandelier speaking of chandeliers if Anybody saw the Met Gala this week Miss Katy Perry was a live-action chandelier. So they're trending I would say this week. That's funny. Yeah, exactly. Thank Steve. That was hilarious. I thought that him coding each time after Emily was like today's not your day to die because what was the line it was one minute you could be doing what you Do next minute it could be over and I thought him coding all the time was so powerful after that statement like its true like you you hear it all the time. Tomorrow's not promised and you know, love on people while you have them here and all of that. So in that moment when I was watching that those were all the things that were floating in my head like you just never know. Yeah, just give give them their roses while they're here and And and like you said tell people you love them before it's too late and then do the things that you want to do but it also made me scared because when he said one minute you could be living your life and then next thing bam. It's true and that makes it scary when you think it could cause a little bit of anxiety if you think about life in that way like, oh my gosh, I could be driving and suddenly get hit in the car accident. You know, you just never know. I could be putting up a chandelier fall off the ladder the chandelier stabs me in the chest and then that code and almost died several times. Names and then Ben Warren has to patch you up with some gauze. That's why you just get a get a handyman. But can we talk about that's true. I just love seeing been in action like when he's doing his surgical stuff like and he knows what to do. He seems so confident and I just love seeing him like, ah, I like him as a firefighter, but I love you as a doctor. So what you trying to say? I mean, when is he going to take this test? So become the what? Is he becoming you have a the 8 car? Yeah specialist. Yeah, I just I think it's going to be great to have for him to have the best of both worlds. But I really like I'm missing him as a doctor and I loved how he joked. He was like that. He's had three, you know three careers himself so that he hasn't told anybody. He just switched it up on his own. Yeah. He's amazing Under Pressure. Yeah, and when he decided to pull the chandelier out of Nate he knew exactly what to do and how to do it and that's why when he was driving I was like, why are you driving an and he's back there? And you have more experience and you're going to take this test so that you can be the elite. What are they kind of had a paramedic? Yeah could be the elite paramedic. I don't get it. I think I think really the role. I think Andy had started the compressions and she was at a point where she couldn't stop so she had to keep going. So that's why he just ended up driving. Well, no, she said that she started a two-person compression and she needed him. But before they actually got in the aid car she had already started. Whatever it was Noble one, but then save the day because that's the whole thing. He should have been there the whole time. He is the most experienced don't know. I don't know. Let's talk about Vic and pirouette. So I don't know something about Pruitt is always coming to me. I feel like he has such wisdom he does and so when he's trying to give Vic some wisdom and she was just angry at him. I was like, oh she's really just not trying to hear anybody right now. He was angry and very And it always she's always been stubborn but in these moments when I'm like show a little bit of you know, you don't have to be so strong in this moment. She's it takes her a while to get to that point but to see Pruitt trying to console her. I was like don't be mean to prove it. He's been through this. He's the OG like listen to him be respectful. She was getting a little respectful and I was like Vic don't you do it? Yeah, but he was he was very sweet and patient with her and I think he understood having had to you know, ring those bells for his wife. Back in the day agreed and then we see Jennifer come into the picture and really try to help Vic come to the funeral because that was her whole thing that she was not going and what did you think of that? Did you think that that was something that was going to convince her because Sullivan was trying to say you two were the most important people in his life. You have to go. Well, I would have still been mad at Jennifer to she was wasn't nice last week and I understand yes. Your brother but you know, I was yes his secret girlfriend. Basically Vic was his secret girlfriend. So like give her you know, it's not like she never had met before she met her before at they had a good rapport. So she should have been a little bit more considerate of VIXX feelings. So I would have been a still a little bit salty but to hear that Vic was like struggling with the fact that she wasn't officially his wife that she wasn't anything on paper and I was wondering she was also going to be worried about what the other firefighters were going to say about her, but that's not something that she said somebody else said it so So Vic had a lot on her mind. So yeah, I would have she was lashing out on everybody. So the fact that the sister was there too. She deserves to get it there were exactly then Dean came with the wisdom and I thought that was great the sea and enemies and he was and no one knew and I didn't know it's like what is he talking about? And then I realized you know, what what a great analogy those freaky see predators and how we treat people when we are going through something even if they don't know. We go through we lash out. So and everyone was doing it in their own way Vic was doing at we saw Maya with her uncontrollable tears. And the reason why she's crying because she always holds everything in and then we saw Jack who just lashes that people all the time and then shuts down to and then Sullivan like everyone Andy and everyone doesn't in their own way and then this analogy put it all in perspective and I loved how they Learned from a I know. Well, you see having love in your life can change you Dean everybody else is falling apart and he was sad as well, but he was composed it because I think he knew he had somebody to he has something to look forward to now and someone that's teaching him new things and is wise and he's learning from so yeah Dean's at the dean is the wise one this week. Yeah the wise award I didn't even think of it that way but it's so true when you have love in your life. You see everything with the big heart it with rose-colored glasses. Yes, so true. Okay, when they took Nate to Seattle pres and not and not graze. I was like, why are we at this whack hospital? I told you all shut that hospital down. Did you see how slow? Yeah slowly they were walking like not this hospital again. I was like Lord the man going died. He didn't hear Nate's gone. He's the whole time. They rushed him there and you guys are just dilly-dallying stop it. I know so the place down immediately, but it was six minutes away. So I guess they just had to go to the closest one, but that the nurse was like taking the information very slowly all of it. Come on guys put some pep in your step. You have your step tequila and then Ben's lime were Andy, so and he freaks out and she actually expresses to him, which I thought was a beautiful moment. Yes, all the things that she's dealing with the loss of her mom the tolling of the Bell her Dad and my Jack and Ryan and all of the things that were honoring my and she shared with Ben and when Ben said you just need to take it one bleeder at a time, I was like, I am going to remember that line forever. I love that anytime you're in a hard situation. Yeah one bleeder at a time because that's really all you can do. Yeah, when he said when you cut someone open and there's tons of bleeds everywhere. Think about that vision. Usually like I would have not known where to start but he says just start with one at a time and I think that definitely applies to any situation that anyone is going through and that was great advice agreed. I was surprised to see Andy just even express herself and it and get it all out. I was I was really proud of her in that moment. And I love you know, I love seeing growth from our character. Yes to see that growth from her and for her to express. Yes. I felt something when Ryan told me he's leaving and I'm still unsure why I was like look at you growing and using we were Finally finally only one episode away from the series exactly took you all season. But finally we're seeing some growth and less selfishness, but I think you push he's just probably gone through so much. It's probably worn out worn out. So we talked about Travis and fixes Vic as well. Let's talk about Schmidt because that was the pivotal moment that actually got Vic to go to the funeral. Yeah. So even though she had all her friends AKA family around her supporting her it took the person that she didn't know had never met with the extreme gesture. And I don't know if you guys have ever had that where you've had like a random person do a crazy gesture for you. It really is life-changing. Yeah, you know because that person has is thinking about you specifically so when he came and said he was busy doctor took time out of his day to give her the exact. Hours that Ripley yeah, we recently had picked picked out and then the message ready to spend the rest of his life with you. I thought you might like to see them. I was like, I know it's over for me by then. The tears were just like I just had to say you know, what just go just go. Yeah, you know the thing is I was just saying this to my best friend today when there's a situation. Sometimes it's hard for you to listen to those closest to you. And those are the ones you know, they love you. So it's easy for you to lash out to them. But to a stranger you may be more open to what they have to say. And that's what we saw with the Vic and Schmidt when during this interaction with the flowers, I think that was a beautiful scene, you know, here it is wearing the gray drab fire station and the beauty of these beautiful flowers during this time when she's in mourning it was it was perfect. It was really hit home. And I've said this before and I'm going to say it again is probably on a different show, but it's the small things all the little things. Those are so important and those are the things that you remember so remember that so we get to the funeral and it was beautiful. And sad, yeah, beautiful and sad and everyone just was so they all look so Dapper they all look so sad and the eulogy was perfect. Everything was perfect. What did you think? It was just interesting to see because Herod has it was something so sad, but then it was very structured. It was get reminded me of the military and to see everyone in the uniform and saluting and I'm glad Ripley got the send-off he But to see his picture up there that last photo that we saw was sad and to see my friend Dean cry that broke my heart but Sullivan's eulogy was great and but do you feel like he was kind of speaking to Andy at certain points? Yeah. He was wait a minute now and and you know by this time he Ryan had already said something to her about this hand-holding but Sullivan, so and she's in denial about that, but we later see that she's Opening her eyes to what everyone else is now seeing yeah, I mean when he said real friends connect with that one person, you can't always explain it but it just it is what it is and find a way to each other and it doesn't matter. If you don't see them forever two years later ten years later whenever you always make your way back to each other and I was like you're talking about handy and and during the funeral also Maya held Jack's ham and he's found on the one side Jax had on the other day. Oh, that's good. Hmm. Now do you think that was weird that they made up at the funeral like not before not after like in the in the pews of the church and and I'm speaking about Andy and yeah, I was thinking you know what I don't think it was weird and it's because it wasn't about them and finally they realized what life was too short. So let's not take a minute more to have this crazy Feud what I thought was weird is when they were at the wake and Andy tried to be like, oh, well you can Bring Jack over tonight if you want. I'm good with that. Stop it. Weirdo. That's weird. It's weird to even say like just run into them and be like, oh, this is awkward. But have that awkward moment not like the awkward talk. I know I think you know, what's happening. What I'm seeing is Ike we thought that the reveal of Maya and Jack's relationship to Andy was going to be a huge thing. But now it seems like they're kind of like brushing past it and forcing us to focus more on Vick and Ripley's death. So maybe that's why I suddenly one minute. She's like I'm admitting she's like okay, I forgive you and the next thing you know, hey, Jack, you can sleep over like she's moving all reacted mean that those she's not all the way there yet. Yeah, but that's a weird think about it your ex-fiance in the bedroom next to you with your best friend. What? Yeah, I don't know how to play that they have a whole season. Yeah. I'm Not That season to deal with that and then we see at the wake that Nikki's a thing. We see at the lake that Travis He took off his wedding band at the funeral and at the Wake he got blasted and we knew that Vic being with Lucas was going to be an issue. Right? And so when the guy brought it up and I was like, oh, what about that hottie, she really lost it and all that stuff and then the fight broke up. Yeah. Did you see that coming? I did not I thought what was going to happen. Was that true? It was going to get drunk and potentially leave the bar and get in an accident. I did not anticipate him getting into a fight with another firefighter and attempt to defend his friends. So that's surprise me. I was I was happy about the him taking off the ring. I thought he was just going to get Reckless. Maybe he would have seen his ex and they would have had a one-night stand like a rekindling of that romance. I just thought he was going to either get in a car accident or meet a guy at the bar and leave with him. I didn't know yeah it is. There's going to be there's going to be some crazy bleep workout. Russians from this. Yeah don't know what they are. But but it's going to be a thing. So yeah guys it was overall an amazing episode. Yeah, and it just really took me all the way there and what surprised me but this it was sad we knew was going to be sad because it was a funeral but they hit us with these heartfelt moments like those flowers again, and and and when Vic went into the diner and spoke to Cam and she had to reveal to him the truth the truth that her one he's not my husband to he is dead and gone and he would not be coming back and having coffee with Yeah, all of it was sad, but so so good. Let's move on to some news and gossip. So guys, let's start off with the crew at the funeral and when I saw this on social media, I was like, you know what it's too soon like it's just it's too soon. I couldn't watch any I was not ready. I was like it's too early in the day a hero will go home for the last time tonight on our new station 19 y'all. Yeah here will go home, but you made him go home. I'm still mad and then the next photo of ending in Maya. I thought was beautiful on it puts it all in perspective. Now that they've made up the happiness and and just like, you know, your person is your person is always going to be a person and if you watch Grey's you know, that that person is important. Yes. The next one. I thought was so great. It's like up behind the scenes. So you see all the essential cast and Ryan. Hey Ryan, right right is everywhere. This fire has I think for Ryan to become a firefighter spin that in I'm here for it. And here's how they can spin it in. Here's a good prediction because Ben is moving on to the elite. They're going to need someone in Aid car. Okay, and now that Ryan is getting his paramedic training. Hey open spot on and then the next one again is a behind-the-scenes and her what's fun about this picture is did I am I always saying her name wrong, Jana Jana her standing there. Well took the photo for her. That's what she wrote that online. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. And then we see Travis and Andy and they right tonight's the Pena lit and ultimate episode get cozy grab a snack and try not to get caught mid to and I was like, you know, what power is look powerful enough. And then I thought this next photo was really fun. So this shows Shonda Lon and celebrating the women of T git you have how to get away with murder you have for the people station 19 and Grey's Anatomy all in one room all beautiful all powerful all smart. And I was like, that is a great photo. Yeah, and then the next one is just like a glamour shot. Look how gorgeous. Hey she looks and it in her notes. Wright's spice it up Sundays. That should be a thing. She looks great doesn't she look amazing. And then I thought these last photos I would dedicate to Ripley because Ripley is the man and because we have to say goodbye to him today. So this is the one we talked about so we can move on for this one to the next one. This is saying goodbye to Ripley and it's Sullivan and Ripley embracing. So sad and you guys we have to say goodbye. And so I thought these next one should all be about We're playing. Yes. The next one is Ripley kind of looking. Sad little Z. He looks very close. Yeah. Yeah with his puppy. He's so handsome. So handsome is this is what he's going to be doing now because he may be out of a job. Yeah, he'll find another job. He's great. Whoo. I put this one in for you so high I appreciate this just absence to notice. Yeah handsome man. I appreciate that. That's it. It would put a smile on all of our faces many faces because we've been so sad and then the next one over is just The cast one final picture with Ripley and and it says love this cast and Ryan hand around so hats on Stacy. Yeah, Stacey's a genius like Shonda. That's let's move on to some Firefox. so I got this article from the National Geographic and the one thing that I wanted to tell you is that they found in space that there's this bizarre form of hot ice that is seen on Earth and this hot ice can produce fire but it's all natural like it's all from nature now. It's a long long article, but that's the gist of it so Can you imagine that there's hot ice it's like oxymoron. Yeah, I don't even like that's crazy. Yeah, like it's burning you and cooling you down at the same time. It can create fire. Wow. Yeah, that's what I said, but you guys can look it up. It's an article on National Geographic next fact that I wanted to talk about. So we know that the only place that fire can happen is earth, right? So given that and what I just told you about this fire ice, I'm trying to figure out how it got created done Thunder. I don't know. I don't know. I'm fascinated by it. And then I guess my last since it's been like such a sad overall thing nearly 4,000 Americans died. Each year in house fires and over 2,000 are severely injured so fire is guys we saw what happened to Ripley and he didn't even get burned. It was the chemicals from the fire. We gotta just pay more attention like you mentioned last week about an electrical fire. You just never know, you know, so safety precautions, let's make sure that we're doing that. Those are my Firefox. I think that's another thing thinking about like how I think that's what the station 19 team was thinking about probably like I didn't get burned up but something you never know what could happen to me in this line of in the line of duty Jack 7. Yeah. He said in the beginning. He said he walked into a building. He came out of dead man. Yeah, that could be any one of us every day, which is you know, life is short. We keep that's the the over all encompassing. Theme of this episode is that life is short. Yes, the Love on people that you love you got to do the things you want to do all of that stuff. Let's move on to some predictions. So what's your prediction? Okay, so I know we've been watching Sullivan and Andy but I saw moment at the funeral before they walked in between Sullivan and Ripley sister Vanessa. Do we think my fur? I'm sorry, Jennifer? Yes, he's Jennifer and Sullivan. And yes, I think she's a you know, they've been longtime friends, you know, she's going to be morning. She's going to lean on him and you know, it's comfortable. So I see something happening. Maybe it will make Andy jealous. I don't know but we should keep an eye out for it. It's good. I like it. I think that Andy and Maya this truth that they've had is going to be temporary. I think that because it wasn't a this grief was so big that it was all encompassing. I think after time goes by they're going to go back to being Frenemies. He's and I think they're going to be Frenemies because Maya and Jack are going to grow closer Ryan's going to be gone and and he's going to have nothing to focus on if indeed what you're saying is true, but I do think that her and Sullivan are going to be a thing. I think that's the direction that they're going and I think she realized that the Wake that hey, you know what it's more than and if we looked at the preview if you guys saw the preview at the end of the episode when they were under water they had that whole moment. I was like, okay. Yeah. I see it. That's what's happening. And you know remember the moment at the bar when Ryan tells Sullivan. First of all the fact that Ryan and Sullivan were having a drink together was weird and then Ryan says, you know what Sullivan you're all right looks like Ryan are you letting go finally are you giving your stamp of approval like Sullivan was even looking like what are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, but I think it was him realizing that they weren't a thing because Andy said they weren't a thing. So now you're okay. But if you guys were a thing then I would be You're not okay. Yeah, that was him saying, you know what? I know something's going on even in spite of what she said, but you're all right. I'm moving on with Jenna we go into the paramedic training. Yeah. Well soon we will definitely see and then the other thing I said it last week and I'm going to say it again this week. I think that Pruitt is going to be their new captain. I agree and that's how he's going to come back into the day-to-day. Those are my predictions guys. I know it was a sad one. I know that you guys are were so upset from last week as we all were but it's a great show. So let's just hold on. Let's kind of Kumbaya together and get through it. Next week is the season finale and I thought an appropriate ending is what was said in the credits at the end where it said the end is here. 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Hosts Linda Antwi and Tsahai Wilson mourn with the Station 19 crew in the penultimate episode “For Whom the Bell Tolls”. Watch as the Vic deals with the loss of her one true love, Maya cries her eyes out and Sullivan and Andy try to hide their feelings. Don’t forget to leave your thoughts and theories in the comments below and join us next week for the season finale! ABOUT STATION19: Practically raised at Seattle's Station 19, Andy Herrera is a confident firefighter who is also the daughter of Pruitt Herrera, the formidable head of the firehouse. Capt. Pruitt was Andy's primary inspiration to become a firefighter and is a mentor to both her and Jack Gibson, the lieutenant at the station. Jack is as fearless as Andy is by-the-books, but when the two are together, sparks fly and opposites attract. The two are joined by Maya Bishop, Dean Miller, Travis Montgomery, Victoria Hughes, and the station's newest addition, rookie Ben Warren. The team also works closely with Seattle PD, often running into Andy's former flame Ryan Tanner.

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Well, you guys know the deal and if this is your first time joining us welcome as I said before, But for the newbies this end of the table belongs to you because you are co-hosting this show with us as always. So please join us in the chat use hashtag a BTV arrow in all things social media and yeah join the conversation beginning with hashtag who I love to hate. Yeah. So let me know you're here. I love to hate. I'm in the chat speaking of chat busy Byron. Hey Christian, Ryan. I've been so does my husband my husband waiting for I love you. Ivan is waiting for you. I'm just waiting. Yeah, black magic Nine-Nine. Everyone's back. You know this makes this warms my heart. Welcome back everybody. So I'm going to be on the chat. Let me know who I love to hate. Yes. Yes. No, let her know who you love to hate. Yeah that your hashtag who I love to eat. Yeah, you know what? I mean? Anyway, well, why don't we start with you? Karolina? So I think everybody's going to be shocked. I hope everybody's sitting down Felicity. I'm so angry at her for not being in the So Dan, okay. Well planned. Well fight. All right, I see how you did that. Thank you. Thank you. I love Felicity so much that I just feel really let down. I understand that like Emily butts record is amazing and she's a great actress. So she went off to go, you know do actory stuff other places, but I just I need Felicity. Yeah, and I feel really let down so I'm gonna hate on the fact that she wasn't here but they kept talking about her and her fancy smoke Technologies. But yeah, I mean I had to stand in for using how to stand. Oh yeah that was I knew it wasn't going to be her. I was like it's about to be sick counting fantastic. She turned around. I was like even kind of looked yeah just freaked out. I did I had a meltdown for sounds like was that pumps this whole summer was I crying in my bed every night this whole summer for no reason. I know babe we big spoon little spoon for everything. This episode like come on. I just I love the quote. I love the quote that I Oliver said he's like in my Earth you had a better teacher. It's like yeah. Y'all were lame in this episode. That was good. They were they were equally whom I love date my who I loved to hate was Katie Cassidy. Actually. It was kind of on board. It was Katie Cassidy with long hair because short hair black. And Airy and everything, I loved it so much. I loved her hair. I loved her outfit. I didn't hate anything in here. And I just want to say somebody else that we love because we want to remember y'all. We have a new producer and engineer on the show. He's gonna be with us the whole you season. Let's give it up for Ryan everybody so much. I'm honored to be here. This feels like a happy place. It's a yeah, it is your guns. This one goes dark, but it's okay. You're going to have your Gonna have to calm us down. So we just need to tell people who you are now. Brilliant. You gotta chill Matt. Well, what up? What up? Kona Who Do You Love To Hate? I mean, I have like three at this point. So my first one are we surprised not really who the hell decided that we are going to do is flash-forwards. I still hate you. Oh, wow. All right. Okay, I mean they're getting their own show. They're going to continue. Just great and I think it belongs in its own show 100% but in this show, it seems so irrelevant. I'm like, no, I think it's going to get tight in because we went to another Earth to do the little errand for the Monitor and I think that we're going to see Stephen in the future with his daughter before the end of the week. So I know so I Feel It In My Bones, oh, you're so right shit. Okay. Well, well this shows explicit is I got my other hashtags. Okay. Okay, JJ. He took me off more than one time and I just need these. A great actor JJ. Yeah, I hate anything about that man. Well sigh hashtag really hated was Adrian Chase. Oh, yeah. It was so weird to see him try to be the hood, but he was not like how all of our Queen was like dark angry good versus evil. It was just like he was a butthole for the sake of being a butthole because he felt like someone was crashing in on his territory and he was being like that Macho like there can't be two I'm with you on that one because I actually wrote a note when I was watching and I was like Do they get tired of writing the like over testosterone to machismo? Because I feel like every time they get too hot men in a room. They have like a catfight over like who is more like important and who should be listened to more and when they both said suit up and they had that moment. I was like is this even necessary like this one season eight? Can we just not? Yeah, but they were both. I love you. I think my love down. I loved that. I loved my chemist. They said suit up. No my Chi's most of it. Yeah, at least I got that because we got to think to this is a female showrunner and the last time like two or three season 1 2 3 was not Beth and charge of this. I think it was a conscious Choice. Yeah. I actually I even called out because I wanted to remember that. I know I have it somewhere. Well, I think you saw it as a joke. So I was like, I'm so over the oh, yeah Josh Seger's is the actor and actually wanted to I thought he did a great job as an actor of being a totally different 83 Case and I totally thought they were making fun of that old-school Oliver you have there's any row LOL. That's what I got. That's that's what I was thinking too. Like I was like, this is kind of an Ode to season one Oliver of just like being a grump and then both Oliver's baby and then both solvers being together in the same room. And then and then he kind of towards the end. He came around, you know, and he realized who Oliver was so I think I think I think it was a good choice on that but I can jump on this band. What about the chat? What are they saying? I love to hate Ivan. Toto I hate JJ dude psycho. He is my wife I think he's attractive because I like bad men black magic 99 says love to hate Mia interesting reasons. Good call Matt. I agree archers a lie. Oh, hi archers Ali. Hi Steven. Hi. Are you a lie? Everyone is out. Everyone's just kind of like it. Oh the monitor Blake Michael Blake says the monitor but the monitors trying to save the universe. Yeah, but he's also like destroying people. People's lives. It's Up For Debate. I know okay, I've got info but I know Matt here. Whose arm. I'm like, what are you crying? I know but you sit by Ali coming down here on the podcast. We just got explicit. Where was I going? So if you guys don't know the comic book history, he's here to give you the four one one and I'm going to give you an abbreviated watered-down version. So if you really want to know this Google It you have a computer a phone do your life but basically just so the monitor just see he's basically he's like 2 billion years old Donna the universe and basically his he's someone who I don't want to give everything away. So it could be a little spoiler. I'm just going to say for now what we know about the monitor. He's kind of this almost like God. He's like almost this kind of omnipotent being that controls the order of the helps control the order of the universe and The creation the things that we LED that we don't know yet that led to all the multiverses is what's causing disorder in the universe one of the things and he's trying to put that back into order. That's all I want to say. It just it's kind of confusing if you're coming from last season. You're like who's the hot guy with the weird head? Like, I'm helping easier. If you do want to catch up on what's going on with the monitor. You should go back to last season and just watch. The crisis on infinite Earths part 1 that they did over the course of the week because they explain what's going on and you see the beginning where there is just like a slew of dead and knocked out superheroes. Yes, and you can see the destruction of Justice Across the Universe and obviously there's multiples from different worlds that have come together to fight this Scourge. So that's like the abbreviated version but you should watch it. They did a phenomenal job. And it's worth it and it'll catch you up to what this episode is about because I have a feeling that all season we're going to be tying in with the whole thing. Yeah in infinite Earths to bring us to the end of Arrow to tie up all the Loose Ends because that's the only way I can see it going down. Yeah when they said that too so it's just going to be crisis. That's ya ready to what you guys may or may not have read, but I'm sure. Y'all notice as the episode went on there was a lot of repeats and reliving of things in season one. So Stephen Amell had said when they proposed him because he had already called the producers and said, you know, I think it's about that time and the contract was up peaches. Yeah, and so the way he got talked into doing a season eight was they decided Eight Episodes and each episode is a tribute to each season. So that's why this one episode you see all these things happening that we're from season. One mommy Malcolm Merlyn the and their reference is although the ice coming back this season. So I was surprised she wasn't in this epic. Yeah, but season 2 is going to be episode 2. So I'm sure you guys watch The Flash forwards and we'll talk or not flash-forward scuse me the preview for next episode. We will talk in predictions. But just to give you a map of where we're going this entire season. So I think there's gonna be a lot of people coming back to this show to reprise her role which I'm pretty sure Emily bets record is going to come back as fellow City for at least one or two episodes. What definitely yeah, we're definitely going to That I think she's just like doing a full season. She's not that busy. It's not like she's on like a bunch of Netflix shows right now. She's relaxing girl. You ain't got no Game of Thrones gig come true. She also, you know wants to live her life and you don't know I'm not dissing. I'm not Tom. Yeah, that's what I was saying to I was like, you're not, you know, you ain't John snow come through. Well, let's talk about is we had him about people are coming back first. My favorite was Moira Moira. I love that actor. Yeah. I really do to really look. So much like the yeah, they really look so much. Like I've said that like three times on this show. They even have a mole in their lip. I know it's weird. I didn't notice that the I never known a very specific manner they do I love this actress and I love all over with his mom. It's like, you know, why because no son loves anybody like their mama. Well and also too I think he's a new appreciation for his mother because he knows that she in his world is dead. So it's his opportunity to see her one last time. She's dead again in the new world when that happened. I was like come on. Come on. He really liked it. He have to see that did we need to have that moment because he's already mourned his mom's and Tiny times we did because they're trying to show this like a jerk in this one. So I didn't really feel bad for him. You know, I was like come on, but that was the whole point of this episode was to do everything kind of all over again right now and like it was but as I can live in a bubble his loss of his mom and Tommy is like inevitable and every universe and every world and every Incarnation doesn't that suck like when you think about quantum physics and house supposedly, there's like infinite versions of all of us, which is what infinite Earths is to think that like that one thing that really gutted you in life just keeps happening man. No, come on. There's got to be an Earth where him and his mom or like old and just chilling and she's got like 10 grand kids. Maybe they're well and he just runs me like a company because the thought that there's not an apple pie from McDonald's that's not fried like the old ones used to be and then now they're all baked and they don't taste the same makes me angry. So there's a world where Alkali is still fried at McDonald's. So because minor fat child loves it. All right, so I'm curious. No, I mean you told me what's going on in the chat, but I'm curious to know who is your favorite actor that came back because we had a meat we had the Tommy we had Malcolm come back on which is so weird to see him cower when I was like you see no, he's John Barrowman such a good actor so good. Yeah. I was shocked to see I was like Wow because in the all the other You know, she's not like the Malcolm Merlyn and there's no he's just Malcolm, right? Who is your favorite that came back? Yeah, man. I well I thought it was going to be theater because I was so excited that she was but she didn't and that will see her again, but I was probably going to be Moira. I just like I said, I loved her as an actress and I think she's beautiful and you know, we she had to be ripped away from us again. Well that was an Ode to I've said this to them earlier, but this was a great shout out to a lot of comic book fans, I think because they're able to take things of that kind of They they cut the fat we when they originally did Arrow to streamline things and now that it also two arrows so different now when they started to show it was kind of like they wanted to make Arrow, but they really it was DC Comics and comic shows were all about Batman and that was kind of it. And now that they've learned that we really want them to explore comic book world and like even the weird things we want to see that and one of the things in the comic books is that Speedy dies of drug overdose. So I thought that was sad for me to hear that but I was kind of like, oh good. Call you're taking something that I always grew up knowing. Yeah, and you used it in this but also and Marc Guggenheim is talked about this at length that part of the reason that Arrow was so successful and it came about was because of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight for sure. Oh, yeah for sure. That's why Arrow was so dark and it was shot the way it was and I think it was so well received because people saw that film and whether they realized the correlation between it or not at the time they were open to that experience because they had fallen so far. Love with Christopher Nolan's Batman and that's kind of like where Arrow springboarded from and now it's such a lighter show. Like you wouldn't even recognize that it originated from the Batman. Hmm. So in the chat Ivan Soto says Tommy no question for me Gracia and Ryan says John Barrowman, um, Ivan. So no Merlin was a wimp and then busy Byron Adrian Chase did a hell of a job coming back. I loved it. So yeah, I agree with my Husband I love Tommy feels like would you think do you like anybody coming back? No, well where I was my favorite. Yeah, it was interesting to see because obviously in this version. I don't think that any part of her was bad and there is no Walter there is you know, she took a totally different course in this particular Earth and then for some reason towards the middle n dish for Malcolm Merlyn. I was getting Elon Musk Vibes. I don't know. Why oh and okay. Yeah. I like we're going. Yeah, that's all but yeah more It definitely was yeah my favorite and we talked about sorry. What? No, he's fine too. You've got a lot of spinning just watch the premiere. There's a lot of emotions. I'm a therapist. You can talk to me. Okay. This is a safe space. We didn't ask me who's your favorite comebacker Lina? Yeah. Oh also Moira. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't wait for Thea. Also. I'm really excited for this version of Katie Cassidy's Black Canary because she is along for the A ride and so am I and now her world is gone and it's cool too because last season it was all about her trying to prove herself and then she had a moment where she fell off and decided to get bad again because it was just easier and then Felicity got her back on team good now at some point apparently she came back to her own Earth and now she is in some senses the Oliver Queen for that. Yeah like that. That's a good twist. I like that a lot and I like that she turned over and Do leave and we got to see the moment where the mature version of Oliver admitted it it wasn't like hard for him to say. He honestly said like very nicely to her that I don't know his specific word something paraphrase. But basically you're doing a good job here. Yeah, and she's like, oh, yeah. She's like that's a nice thing to say to me guys. This is the moment of the show. I just want to sit here like the cat got it scream because you're two seasons you guys shot on her so hard and I thought they were going to absolutely um her and it was going to be fantastic for anyone that would like to play back the after shows and all of your vitriol towards her. This is the moment of Redemption where you're like a love her and I told you I still like original Black Canary better. I'll still yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I think I love her I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't love her but you will I don't know. We'll see I will look at how far we've come. I like the actress a lot. I like the actress lot and I like with a story. So I'm not necessarily saying oh my God, I love this Laurel better. I just like that. She took this route. She went back to her own Earth. And now she is gonna do good. Yes, and if her and Oliver end up getting in a relationship and be in love like they should in the comics and I'm here for it that makes sense. If you do that. I mean, I know sorry but felicity's gone it's gone. So, you know, he's out there shooting arrows a man has needs a woman has needs well the Earth is destroyed. Anyway, so by some maybe it'll be in love. No, they're not they're never going to be in love. It's actually be in love this time. They're not going to be I hate it'll be like a complete olicity left girl. She doesn't know Felicity wasn't there gon be together in the end. Okay, we're going to be Mast away. Like we saw in the in the flashpoint for the country. He's going to go on to another Earth and he's going to go and she's going to go through the Dai Li thing. And she remember at his grave and the monitor was like come with me. She goes through the swirly thing and that's when they end up together. Can we get an Olivia chill in the chat? Go again? Cause we've got a lot of money speaking of the chat. Everyone really wants to talk about the Batman mask at the beginning. It's one thing to talk about Batman references on yeah that man is in this world Batwoman reference Wonder Woman in their last episode. Yeah Batman in the previews unless I'm losing my mind. It looked like a very Tim burton-esque looking era Batman in the previews for next week chat. Tell me I'm wrong. All right, but I thought that I saw that flash. And I was like someone's already screen grabbed it already. Yeah. Well I sit without a very president they've tits up on them as well. And the way we saw that Batman mask to was at the beginning on top of I think it was an area and that's one of the Slade Wilson mask was exactly how in the flash Ford and Ford because he's just good at that's Batman. Yeah, I don't think it's Batwoman. I think that definitely that looks like Batman for sure. Well, you got some big guy in the background. Yeah that too there was a thick and weighs. I was going with this comment. It was into the future. So where was I going with this? Oh, yes. JJ is the new Slade Wilson. So I don't know if that was a we can't get many been it back. So let's just be creative about it. Liam Hall who played his son? Okay. Yeah. Well you away it's just weird that GJ ended up as the head of the Not the Slade Wilson gang, but the Deathstroke. Yeah, but then also goes back into and I don't know think this was season 1 but at some point we remember when diggle and his brother. Yeah, that's fine. Like I don't care kill him brother, but then I was like who we really are reliving a lot of old are I wrote that in my notes. I was like are we saw I'm having the worst stage IV like with this has already happened yet like word for word. And even he said I don't care kill him or whatever. He said that freaking diggle said that in my season. In one or whatever. I was like wow was that season one? No, I don't think it was like three or later. So I don't know it was weird. It made it into this. Well, the one with his brother was like season 4 5. Yeah, so did we but still word for what that brings me to dig like I do want to talk about diggle. I thought it was really cool that it was the real diggle update. Yeah, that was great. And there was a piece of me. That was like thank God because is Oliver and the rest of us in the world. The only ones experiencing this relive situation. Yeah, so it was really great and I love that they threw Flash reference by having Cisco give him like the warp pad. Yeah, but also I didn't realize that the episode wasn't completely wrapped up. I thought they were in a wrap it up in present times on present earth when they went through the double purple doors and it started to close as like are they about to beam themselves up like a Star Trek Moment Like is that was about to happen, but it didn't but anyways, I love the Cisco reference because then it ties all of the dce you together between all the other shows even in like little ways great attention and detail from which I think We're going to get more of all, I mean, we already know that black lightning is going to be a part of the crossover this year the Titan the Titans, which is totally not even on a CW Show. Yeah, they're going to be in the cross. So we literally like I mean goodness, you know that I love seeing Supergirl get in on the action. I hope she gets a rose by any there's so many people that are coming in. So it's going to be very exciting. I know this because I have information. Is it news or is it just information? Oh did I deflate you you tell your news? Okay. So you could just because you mentioned that they're bringing all these people in and I don't know if this is part of the plan but right so AT&T bought out Warner Brothers and one of the things they did when they bought out Warner Brothers was like you guys are hot mess like that's why Marvel is doing so well because they're so good at branding themselves and Crossing all platforms and making sense and keeping either the same actors is the same story like this, but then when it comes to DC they have these great characters. Yeah, but at Warner Brothers on the lot, you've got the animation Department over here and you got this part. In here and they're so far apart that they don't communicate. Where's with Marvel Studios. They're all in the same building. So they communicate with each other often. So soon as AT&T bought out Warner Brothers, they spent something stupid like forty three billion dollars something something crazy to bring them to a new lat. We're now all the DC people are going to be the same unit so that this does not keep happening between like but I've got to say DC's been killing it on TV where Marvel has really been struggling to get a Real foothold like as much as people like Agents of Shield and Agent Carter. It didn't perform as well as Arrow Flash Supergirl Black Lightning like the shows just keep popping up in there. Great and star girl is coming. That's also like getting popped up there. So I don't know like but I think that's happening because no offense All actors are amazing talented. I think that the casting has just been better with these DC shows and the characters have really been a lot better. That acting is a been a bit stronger. So watch the Marvel and so I can't comment Titans is good. I'm not going to get am not going to take us too far away. I saw Titans. It was good, but there's been a few like Agents of Shield and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah Ivan soda says Marvel movies ignored the shows and then Haywood says think of Crisis as their Avengers and game. So yeah, that's great. Great. Well, anyway, the point is it's really exciting to that was totally my phone, but it's really exciting to see to know that they're trying to come together and really make DC a lot stronger. So yeah, that's me. I mean, it'd be really great if they could cross it over where like the voice of Wonder Woman on the animated. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to get anybody not to have their job. But if Gal Gadot could do the animated version and the live-action why not? Right? Yeah, just synchronize it and like it makes sense that the TV shows would be different actors because it's DC EU is the extended universe and they're coming from different Earths different time lines and also film actors just don't have time to make TV like that and R doing like 25 episodes is too much still so live like when they had they didn't have the guy who whatever else thank you. Sorry. I love I love Ezra Miller was a big deal when he played The Flash because of the fact that like you've got this other guy who's been doing it and really invest in that's like if I move a clandestine does that was Archer. Green Arrow and it was another actor. I really yeah, I think Charlie Hunnam on would be an incredible Green Arrow and he would slay it. Yeah, but I still think that you could cross your fan base over from television and bring them to the film Universe because Stephen Amell as an actor has such a huge falling because he's so amazing on social media and he's one of those actors that he has created this big Community for himself. So that's a built-in audience not to say that Charlie Hunnam doesn't have one but it connected to this character that he could bring to the movie. No. It doesn't really translate the same because here's the thing is it's like two different universes. And if you want a crossover Marvel was smart where they have Samuel L Jackson doing a guest star on Agents of Shield. Great. You have Cobie Smulders who is on Agents of Shield. I think she's like a recurring on it or whatever and she's in the big films. So if you want to do that the smart way to utilize it is to have characters like Felicity like Cisco like, you know, like the auxiliary characters that aren't the superhero To come in and tie the world's together, but also saying they are not from this Earth. Whereas on Marvel they are from the same Earth because they haven't extended it that way now they have with the new Spider-Man but to bring it in for like DC. It's just it's not possible to run a TV production schedule and do like a franchise schedule for the same characters. It's insane. You can't you just can't there's also this divide. It's getting better, but there still is divide of Asian and film my always will be people won't do film I want to television that do film because they don't want to be seen as people are doing I mean it's changing better, but it's still a lot of times if older actors who had a film career when they were younger and now they're the Glenn closes were they do a film but they also do TV. I do think it's getting better simbel. I do think it's getting better. But we did you get back. But yeah, I think I hope it gets better because I agree I would love them for the be. Elected so we will see we will see that was it was a little reminder for ongoing aha. It was a reminder to tell us that if you have enjoyed this random debate. Yeah on our show that I'm just glad it wasn't me. I don't need a chill. But if you are super into Arrow, obviously and the reason why we do this show as you can tell we're passionate comic book fans we do this because we love it. And the only way we're able to do that is for you to press that little like button at the bottom of your screen or Scribe or if you're listening to the podcast put leaving five stars and say whatever say Alan Cumming. You're right Carolina. You're right, Matt. You look handsome Olivia. I love you Olivia, whatever you want to say put that in the comments. We really appreciate that on Apple podcast and thank you so much just for making us the ESPN of TV talk crush them. Like magic says no chill anybody interesting convo. So I think was a good conversation. You know, what? Relevant to what's going on? Yeah, because these people I think are still talking about it a lot. We're just a mirror for what's happening in your lives. So, you're welcome. Yeah. All right. Anyways, OK back to the episode PS if there's something we haven't talked about that you just feel is so important, please by all means leave in the Chad and we was I might skip it over I covered looking we talked about the flash forward to I don't know. Let's have something more interesting. I will say though who said they did not like what's her face. Black Canary shoot Flash Forward. Oh, yeah, can we talk about that? You know you love me I do she's great. I have to say I like the Flash Forward and I used to hate them with you. I'm not fully on board with them because I understand what you're saying. It's a different show, right? And so I think the Has they're doing this crossover of different timelines. It could possibly tie in well to this whole Multiverse thing because they don't think I hate it as much because I did a good job with Felicity and like going to see Oliver at the end of last CR like going say I'm going to go see your father. Yeah, that was a nice tie-in and I'm very excited about the spin-off. But what they've done well that I did like it seemed to take away from the main plot, but at the same time this they these four people that are together. Whether they're a good group, it's good actors, they're gelling together. And I think why I'll realize I like to flash forwards it. It's reminds me of that kind of just younger naive innocent time of when we started with arrows and had team are that we're never going to be able to get back again ever because of what's happened. I mean felicity's gone. So the I enjoyed that I enjoyed that well William even said to Mia, I'm sure Dad had his rough patches. Yeah. I mean like I said paraphrasing but basically Like yeah, we're having a tough time, but I'm sure Dad started something and they didn't they had tough times too. And that's what we loved about them is that they're kind of stumbled along the way and they still were killing it then it's that they were talking about Haywood says the red stuff that kind of destroyed they want to talk about the red matter that destroyed everything at the end was it actually antimatter and that there's going to be there might be an anti-monitor. So I did want to say that because it could be whatever that's fine. But that's what they want to talk about. That is there's the Monitor and then there's the anti-monitor. Yeah, so it's destroying all these universes in the monitors like no you will not. Have a baked apple pie, whatever the marketer wants. It's like a fried apple pie. Yeah fried, you know, I'll take another one now. Yeah, it's very it really is very similar for some of you that aren't familiar going to think like they totally copied adventures in gang. They didn't the sack. I mean the comic was this was written in 1980. They started writing crisis. I believe in 1982 and then actually finally came they started it in 82 and it actually aired in 84 it not air but with Bush actually Infinite Crisis in 85, so it's like a three-year thing that they did so yeah, it was a really long process. So so basically kind of game copied our comic things a little bit a little bit a little bit that's a really good job. So I don't care also. I've been saying not not to be annoying but Titans will unfortunately not be in crisis that rumor was debunked apparently. Oh no. Yeah because I read a whole article on and I was like, oh that's exciting because there was another rumor that Lynda Carter was going to come back as like a golden age Wonder Woman. I'm Beasley went around the house screaming and just destroying things. Okay, because I have a Wonder Woman kitchen. But yeah, she's playing the president of the United States currently on Supergirl now, she's dead. They killed her. Yes, but spoiler alert if you haven't been coddled, but anyway, Lynda Carter is not coming back to the show, but she was on it, which was nice. It was unlikely, but she's not coming back as one Supergirl. Yeah, but she's not coming back as wonder why I want to develop that. So yeah total random thought you know, that's been the theme of this show. This is here for it. You're just getting your guys back. At least. I know I like it several things one amazing fight scenes. I love to see ya actually the hood on Hood because I thought it was gonna be all of her versus Oliver like we've seen in the past. So that was cool. But in the one of the final fight scenes were all four of them. It was Adrian Oliver diggle and Canary and they walked in the building and each of them had a door. They were all six. I'd like to thank you want to go file one by one it. What you can take it or yeah, slam it in at the same time five six. Seven eight go you would totally do that for sure. You're a total dancer. You would totally do that and make an entrance kick on eat guys came and made the entrance so much better. I don't know if I didn't like that. I like it funny. That's all that also was kind of a recall to what happened in the future with me is team when JJ and I'm like show when they showed up to fight JJ and all them because they kind of had a similar. Allure Showdown with the four of them it didn't pan out as well. Yeah, that's true. But the fight was fantastic to watch. Yeah, always good. This is like my favorites. I wish I could see them a little bit better but there's really good. I think my favorite fight though. Honestly was Oliver and Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah at the end when they were in The Glades fighting over the yes by all means go ahead. No, that was my thought. I just I love the Glades fight. But yeah, me too and I'm sorry that was so rude of me know. Don't you don't apologize go for it. Okay, so since we're talking about like Throwbacks one of the things that I noticed and I only remember because John Barrowman made such a big deal about is they re-enacted the scene where originally it was Malcolm Merlyn that had all of her chained up like this. Yes, but Oliver was shirtless in the original version. So I was a little upset that he was sure did first of all it was a wet white shirt that you couldn't answer either. It was it was still dry for my life. Stephen Amell was like I had a burger and it's after lunch. You know, I know he had all summer to work out for this he had pay. Well, we need it accuracy for our comics and also in the end of the season one diggle and Oliver made out. Why did we do that now? Let him let him know. I know I can tell I'm not he looked even makes our vision but no that was awesome the way climbed up the chain dude. I was like there's no he's probably not even wired. Like he probably just did that on his own but the fight scenes between he and Tommy in The Glades very we're on wires. Yeah, I mean they edited the wires out like the way they were throwing and I was like, okay someone has a budget the same budget for 10 episodes that they have 420. So we're going to get like some really cool thing for a back seat. I'm excited. Did you like the overall episode of because it lets you know this last little rough for us. Yeah, I really liked it. I think we'll but also to their involving so many different elements that were familiar with that. We loved originally fell in love with the show. So that's probably a part of I too feel like because they had notice and they know that they're wrapping up. Yeah Beth is able to like actually show run a show that she knows because Part of the problem with the previous season is that they were shooting it as if it was going to keep going and then halfway through the season it was like, oh, no actually it's like we gotta kill him because they were planning on exploring. Yeah, and they had to cut. That because they're like no we need to get back down. We don't have time. So, you know as a as a first-time showrunner, I think she did a fantastic job to find out like oh your shows only going to get one more season and it's only going to be Eight Episodes to boot ten if you count infinite Earth, and now she's been able to go into this season fully planned out for what's on her plate versus who knows what the storyline was going to be until they were like, yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that was part of the problem was like Scrapping together the end of season seven to go into eight because they had obviously planned for longer. Yeah a longer see a longer run a longer season because that's how you have to write. You don't start a season thinking. Oh, we're going to be done next season, you know, nobody does that right? So that was part of the Growing Pains of last season, I think was the big issue why we didn't hit our stride and I feel like it's much stronger this season. Also, I feel like when You get 10 episodes and you get the budget of 20 episodes. You just can do a better job ever. Yeah, you can do a much better job, but there's a reason limited series or like Hail to the way that they are because they're getting full series budgets half the episodes that makes a massive difference. Yeah incredible point. We have format chills in the chat and just just just do an account is when I get giggly Ryan I get chills. You haven't seen the beginning of it. Sometimes there's like Actual so can't wait for is nothing had happened and the giggling goes on for like five minutes. Yeah in the chat. They do want to talk about the Laurel how she didn't have she can use her Canary cry and she carried a gun in this episode very interesting and how interesting how she didn't have her powers in Earth to very interesting. So this well, yeah few things one. We only have a few minutes left. So we kind of have to wrap and go into news and gossip. So I apologize will skim that really quickly though because those are great. Observations to bring up and she is somebody who came from Earth. We just knew in the last season into this one. So maybe she just doesn't she I don't remember it. Was there a reason why she doesn't have a canary cry. It was a necklace for her though, wasn't it? I don't know know that one. That one did have the camera cry. Oh, the necklace was in the original one who died? Okay that was made by Cisco. Then this version of her does have it, but she also only had like one fight scene really so it's possible. That they just didn't use the special effects on it because of budget. She was carrying a gun and then Adam in the chat says Earth to Dinah is actually still human interesting. So I don't know. Yeah get on that will find out. Yeah as we go into the season can look it up. Yeah, but let's get into some AfterBuzz TV news. Wow, so we have pictures and I think Matt and I are gonna go back and forth a little bit with some news and gossip. So whatever pulls up first. Ah, who said they thought Thought that there was going to be some scenes where Stephen sees me Oliver got to go into the Earth in the future was that you karolina but oh, yeah Caroline, you might look at that picture and you'll see that we got some actors in there with our regulars that it's Constantine. Yeah. So yeah just shows and his daughter and Steve just said, yeah. I know I was getting ready for Archers. He really gets drunk. He's out. I'm sober will have right after that. And of course the I want to talk about if I could she's coming back coming back. We don't know what capacity but just to be awesome. I hope in all capacities and all the best and I hope she puts her red suit on again, and we're going to see her and Roy. Yeah, you make out again and it's gonna be great. Oh and also, so this news dropped I tweeted it out in some of you went what in September but according to deadline there is going to be a Birds of Prey spin-off everybody, so I'm here for it. I'm excited and at the you're looking on the picture you can see but if you're listening to the podcast the characters that are going to be revolving are going to be Mia and then Katie Cassidy is Black Canary and then everybody's favorite dying that as Black Canary. Yay. Actually, I think an episode of her I decided because they try to do that Black Canary episode, but they didn't really give us all that we wanted. So we're excited for that. Damn, and then what's this? Everybody's sitting at it? This is Hazel's the scene from code eight. If you guys remember a few years ago same way to us years ago, Robbie amell's Stephen Amell. We're doing a Indiegogo type campaign to try to fund an independent film that they wanted to put together. They got it funded and now they actually partnered up with a production company. So it is going to have a theatrical release. Yeah. So just something to keep in mind in the future you get to see the cousins together families are so pretty. It's a And then this is a fun little Facebook video of him talking about a contest that he's reopening. There's a time he wants we're going to go ahead and hit play in here Stephen talk about it. Am I all right, that's the screenshot to let you know where it is. You actually have to go to face the screenshot. Yeah video. So I'll talk while you do that. So I wanted to talk about since we're doing so many TBT being on a to it is a Tuesday. It is a Tuesday. Okay. So Stephen Amell was talking about when he first got this job and how he went about getting it and originally Robbie Amell his cousin who was on tomorrow. It was a Tomorrow People. He got the audition and was talking to Stephen was like hey, did you get that Arrow audition? He's like Was that and Robbie's like well I went and I auditioned for but the entire time I just kept thinking of you you should audition for it. So he ended up I don't know house even got himself in because it's not like you can be like go go go. Yeah you get in that's not how I mean if you look like some she recalled that you could probably so he said he went in and he said that they were like, hey cool. That was great. Can you leave a room please? And so he left and then he came back in the room because they're like if you see something interesting like the big big top dogs are like if you see somebody in Arresting bring us in Stephen Amell was the very first person I think that day to audition and then they brought in the top dogs watch his audition. And he said by that following Tuesday. He got the phone call. They got the job. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, super cool. Wow Let's watch TV. We have this video. I'm the middle of cross over time. And we wanted to chat with you about Wicked am details will get game. If you're not familiar is a wine that we've been doing with nocking point. It's our Cabernet Sauvignon are one of our Cabernet Sauvignon. So we've been doing for several years now and we have Had a contest because when we first started doing it, we had someone named it. Excuse me. Someone draw the label. The name is risto is cool. And we are now going to do the same thing again. So we had a bunch of people submit drawings and we didn't find one that we wanted in particular but it pushed us in a Direction Where We want to open up the contest again and see if you guys can't do what we're looking for. I think that somebody can personally so if you think back to the pile of their oh, there's that Enoch seen iconic I can't believe I just said that about my own show. My wife is laughing at me. I mean in the iconography of the show doesn't it's not iconic when I I bet I can ography iconography is something that happens within the context of a character God damn it and way there there is a memorable scene during the pilot where I launched. Tennis balls and then I start firing the arrows and they start hitting the tennis balls. And then there's that last frame where you see all the tennis balls on the wall. And you see all the arrows Pierce into them. What we're looking for is a drawing a big bold graphic novel type drawing which basically depicts that scene and if you can do more arrows if you can get up to eight tennis balls and arrows into the drawing even better if you can format the way that it cut it off really quick because it's a long video but if any buddy is a drawer, which I know we have a lot of fans that are you should by all means submit. Your drawings is Stephen Amell. So you have drawings takes me to Comics talk comic books makes me think of archers alley. So I'll Trust You hey guys, welcome to tonight's issue of archers alley. So I've actually got a screenshot from a comic For You featuring Superman and Green Arrow an unlikely pairing and I chose this for you guys tonight. First of all, thank you to our friends at DC who sent down. A bunch of comic books from throughout the years where we can pull this knowledge from so if you're watching on YouTube, if you're on the podcast it is a comic strip. So if you're on YouTube, you can pause it. You can see the combo between Superman and Green Arrow, but basically this is from the comic the Trap and the run of the arrow and there's two different versions of it because on Earth one green arrow dies and on Earth 31 heat is not but he loses his arm causing him to her his hands causing him to be Come a crippled and really hating Superman because he would rather die then be crippled and be unable to be the Green Arrow. But what they're doing here is they were fighting the supervillain hyrax and he is strapped to a bio bomb and Superman has to make some tough decisions. So if you are a comic book fan, you can go out and get the Trap and the run of the arrow. Hopefully you can find it eBay is a great source of comic books. And yeah, I just felt like it really tied into this season. With the multiple Earths and his death that's been looming over us and what's going to happen and hey, he makes it out alive on one earth - to hand and he doesn't quite make it on another. So who knows what the season will hold but I hope that archers Ali ties it in with the comics for you. Yeah, we ran out of time. So stay tuned because next episode Olivia has a really great story that she's going to share with us an interview that she got to do herself with which were all jelly we ran out of time because there's some it's up to talk about this weasel. Let's get like one line predictions and then call it your AfterBuzz TV predictions. I think we're going to meet the anti-monitor sooner rather than later. Okay, I think Oliver is going to meet his daughter sooner rather than later. Okay copycat, but you see ya no. No, I love that but you're right. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I think that I think we're actually going to see Thea next week. I think that we're going to meet Damian darhk-- again because I'd really love to see him again. Good one. Yes, and last observation Curtis was still with in one of the pictures keep white guy. Yeah on the earth that they blew up and no longer. Okay? Okay good. They're dead. It's all gone. They're all dead. Terrible Point. Let's just say I just want an apple pie. Goodbye, thank you for your time at yours. Truly a Lakota with little underscores the between on Instagram. Find me. I'm more active there than anywhere else and you can find me at Mardi Matt Maher to teach to our Instagram Twitter. I'm Olivia D Bartoli everywhere. Hi guys, I'm Lena Bean 1 1 3 on Instagram and I apologize for shouting at you throughout the whole night. So we're excited. All right and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first we're the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. 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I thought they were in a wrap it up in present times on present earth when they went through the double purple doors and it started to close as like are they about to beam themselves up like a Star Trek moment like his that was about to happen, but it didn't but anyways, I love the Cisco reference because then it ties all of the dce you together between all the other shows even in like little ways great attention to detail from the which I think we're going to get more of all I mean, I know that black lightning is going to be a part of the crossover this year the Titan the Titans, which is totally not even on a CW Show. Yeah, they're going to be in the cross. So we're literally like I mean goodness, you know that I love seeing Supergirl get in on the action. I hope she gets a rose by any there's so many people that are coming in so it's going to be very exciting because I have information. Is it news or is it just information? Oh did I deflate you you tell your news? Okay, so you could just because I mentioned that they're bringing all these people in and I don't know if this is part of the plan but right so AT&T bought out Warner Brothers and one of the things they did when they bought at Warner Brothers was like you guys are hot mess like that's why Marvel is doing so well because they're so good at branding themselves and Crossing all platforms and making sense and keeping either the same actors is the same story like that. But then when it comes to DC they had these great characters. Yeah, but at Warner Brothers on the lot, you've got the animation Department over here and you got this part here and they're so far apart that they Communicate where's with Marvel Studios? They're all in the same building. So they communicate with each other often. So soon as AT&T bought out Warner Brothers, they spent something stupid like forty three billion dollars something something crazy to bring them to a new lat. We're now all the DC people are gonna be in the same unit so that this does not keep happening between like but if that's a DC has been killing it on TV where Marvel has really been struggling to get a real foothold like as As much as people like Agents of Shield and Agent Carter, it didn't perform as well as Arrow Flash Supergirl Black Lightning like the shows just keep popping up in there. Great and star girl is coming. That's also like getting popped up there. So I don't know like but I think that's happening because no offense All actors are amazing talented. I think that the casting has just been better with these zc shows and the characters have really been a lot better. That acting is a been a bit stronger. So watch the Marvel and so I can't comment. Titans is good. I'm not going to get I'm not gonna take us too far away. I saw Titans it was good, but there's been a few like Agents of Shield stuff like that. Then I'm like Yeah, I've been sort of says Marvel movies ignored the shows and then Haywood says think of Crisis as their Avengers and game. So yeah, that's great. Great. Well, anyway, the point is it's really exciting to that was totally my phone, but it's really exciting to see to know that they're trying to come together and really make DC a lot stronger. So yeah, that's me. I mean, it'd be really great if they could cross it over where like the voice of Wonder Woman on the animated. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to get anybody not to have their job. But if Gal Gadot could do the animated version and the live-action why not? Right? Yeah just synchronize it and like it makes sense that the TV shows would be different actors because it's DC EU is the extended universe and they're coming from different Earths different time lines and also film actors just don't have time to make TV like that and they're doing like 25 episodes is too much still. It's a lot like when they had they didn't have the guy who Thank you. Sorry, I love I love Ezra Miller. It's a big deal when he played The Flash because of the fact that like you've got this other guy who's been doing it and really invest it. And that's like if I move my Camp Nelson does TV movie came out that was Archer or the Green Arrow and it was another actor. I really yeah, I think Charlie Hunnam on would be an incredible Green Arrow and he Slay it. Yeah, but I still think that you could cross your fan base over from television and bring them to the film Universe because Stephen Amell as an actor has such a huge following because he's so amazing on social media and he's one of those actors that he has created this big Community for himself. So that's a built-in audience not to say that Charlie Hunnam doesn't have one but it connected to this character that he could bring to the movie. No, it doesn't really translate the same because here's the thing is it's like two different universes and if you want to cross over Marvel, Smart where they have Samuel L Jackson doing a guest star on Agents of Shield. Great. You have Cobie Smulders who is on Agents of Shield? I think she's like a recurring on it or whatever and she's in the big films. So if you want to do that the smart way to utilize it is to have characters like Felicity like Cisco like, you know, like the auxiliary characters that aren't the superheroes to come in and tie the worlds together, but also saying they are not from this Earth whereas on Marvel they are The same Earth because they haven't extended it that way now they have with the new Spider-Man but to bring it in for like DC. It's just it's not possible to run a TV production schedule and do like a franchise schedule for the same characters. It's insane. You can't you just can't there's also this divide. It's getting better. But there still is divide of television and film my always will be people won't do film. I want to television that do film because they don't want to be seen As people are doing but we just changing better but it's still a lot of times if older actors who had a film career when they were younger and now they're the Glenn closes were they do a film but they also do TV. I do think it's getting better simbel. I do think it's getting better, but we didn't get that. But yeah, but yeah, I think I hope it gets better because I agree I would love them for the be connected. So we will see we will see that was it was a little reminder for ongoing. Aha. Reminder to tell us that if you've enjoyed this random debate, yeah on our show that the chaste wife freak. I'm just glad it wasn't me. I don't need a chill. But if you are super into Arrow, obviously and the reason why we do this show as you can tell we're passionate comic book fans, we do this because we love it. 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Okay, we can talk about the flash forward to I don't know. Let's have something more interesting. I will say though who said they did not like what's-her-face Black Canary shoot flash-forward. Oh, yeah. Can we talk? You talk about that. You know you love me I do she's great. I have to say I like the Flash Forward and I used to hate them with you. I'm not fully on board with them because I understand what you're saying. It's a different show, right? And so I think because they're doing this crossover of different timelines. It could possibly tie in well to this. Multiverse thing because they don't think I hate it as much because they did a good job with Felicity and like going to see Oliver at the end of last see are like going say I'm going to go see your father. Yeah, that was a nice tie-in and I'm very excited about the spin-off. But what they've done well that I did like it seemed to take away from the main plot, but at the same time this they these four people that are together. They're a good group. It's good actors, they're gelling together and I think why I'll realize I like to flash - forwards it. It's reminds me of that kind of just younger naive innocent time of when we started with arrows and had to marry that we're never going to be able to get back again ever because of what's happened. I mean felicity's gone. So the I enjoyed that I enjoyed that well William even said to Mia, I'm sure Dad had his rough patches. Yeah for I mean, like I said paraphrasing but basically like yeah, we're having a tough time, but I'm sure that started some and they didn't they had tough times too. And that's what I loved about them is that they're kind of stumbled along the way and they still were killing it. Then the chat. They were talking about Haywood says the red stuff that kind of destroy. They want to talk about the red matter that destroyed everything at the end was they actually antimatter and that there's going to be there might be an anti-monitor. So I did want to say that because it could be whatever that's fine. But that's what they want to talk about. That is there's the Monitor and then there's the anti-monitor. Yeah, so it's destroying all these universes in the monitors like no you will not. I want to have a baked apple pie whatever the marketer wants. So yeah fried apple pie. Yeah fried, you know, I'll take another one now. Yeah, it's very it really is very similar for some of you that aren't familiar going to think like they totally copied adventures in game. They didn't the sack. I mean the comic was this was written in 1980. They started writing crisis. I believe in 1982 and then actually finally came they started it in 82 and it actually aired in 84 it not air bubbles. Publish actually Infinite Crisis in 85. So it's like a three-year thing that they did. So yeah, it was a really long process. So so basically have a game copied our comic because it's a little bit a little bit a little bit. They did a really good job, so I don't care also. I've been saying not not to be annoying but Titans will unfortunately not be in crisis that rumor was debunked apparently. Yeah, cuz I read a whole article on and I was like, oh this is exciting because there was another rumor that Lynda Carter was going to come back as like a golden age. Wonder Woman and I immediately went around my house screaming and just destroying things. Okay, because I have Wonder Woman kitchen. But yeah, she's playing the president of the United States currently on Supergirl now, she's dead. They killed her. Yes, but spoiler alert if you have him coming back to the show, but she was on it, which was nice it was Girl, yeah, but she's not coming back as a wonder why I wanted to Bunk that so yeah total random thought you know the name of this show. Your guys back at least I know I like it several things one amazing fight scenes. I love to see ya actually the hood on Hood because I thought it was gonna be Oliver versus Oliver like we've seen in the past. So that was cool. But in the one of the final fight scenes were all four of them. It was Adrian Oliver diggle and Canary and they walked in the building and each of them had a door. They were all six. I'd like to thank you want to go file one by one it was like well you can take Or yeah swimming at the same time five six seven eight go you would totally do that for sure. You're a total dancer. You would totally do that and make an entrance kick on eat guys came and made the entrance so much better. I don't know if you try it on I like it funny. That's all that also was kind of a recall to what happened in the future with me is team when JJ and I'm like show when they showed up to fight JJ and all them because they kind of had a similar Showdown. With the four of them it didn't pan out as well. Yeah, that's true. But the fight was fantastic to watch. Yeah, always good. This is like my favorites. I wish I could see them a little bit better but there's really good. I think my favorite fight though. Honestly was Oliver and Tommy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah at the end when they were in The Glades fighting over the yes by all means go ahead. No, that was my thought. I just I love the Glades fight. Yeah me to go forth. I'm sorry. That was so rude of me. No, don't you don't apologize. Go for it. Okay. So since we're talking about like Throwbacks one of the things that I noticed and I only remember because John Barrowman made such a big deal about is they re-enacted the scene where originally it was Malcolm Merlyn that had all of her chained up like this. Yes, but Oliver was shirtless in the original version. So I was a little upset that he was sure did first of all it was a wet white shirt that you couldn't answer it was it was still dry for my life Stephen Amell was like I had a burger ER and it's after lunch. No, I know he had all summer to work out for this. He yeah. Okay. Well, we need to accuracy for our comics and also in the end of the season 1 diggle and Oliver made out. Why did we do that now? Let him let him know how he looks. How do I know I can tell I'm not he looked even makes our vision but no that was awesome the way climbed up the chain dude. I was like there's no he's probably not even wired. Like he probably just did that on his own but the fight scenes between he and Tommy in The Glades very we're on wires. Yeah, I mean they edited the wires out the like the way they were throwing and I was like, okay someone has a budget the same budget for ten episodes that they have 420. So we're going to get like some really good thing right backsies. Yeah. I'm excited. Did y'all like the overall episode of because it lets you know this last little rough for us. Yeah, I really liked it. I think but also to their involving so many different elements that were familiar with that we loved originally fell in love with the show. So that's probably a part of I too feel like because they had notice and they know that they're wrapping up. Yeah Beth is able to like actually show run a show that she knows because part of the problem With the previous season is that they were shooting it as if it was going to keep going and then halfway through the season it was like, oh, no actually it's like we gotta kill him me guys. Yeah, and they had to cut that because they are like No, we need to get back down. We don't have time. So, you know as a as a first-time showrunner, I think she did a fantastic job to find out like oh your shows only going to get one more season and it's only going to be Eight Episodes to boot ten. If you count infinite Earth, and now she's been able to go into this season fully planned out for what's on her plate versus who knows what the storyline was going to be until they were like, yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that was part of the problem was like scrapping Either the end of season seven to go into eight because they had obviously planned for longer. Yeah a longer see a longer run a longer season because that's how you have to write. You don't start a season thinking. Oh, we're going to be done next season, you know, nobody does that so that was part of the Growing Pains of last season, I think was the big issue why we didn't hit our stride and I feel like it's much stronger this season. Also, I feel like when you get ten episodes, And you get the budget of 20 episodes. You just can do a better job ever. Yeah, you can do a much better job, but there's a reason limited series or like Hail to the way that they are because they're getting full series budgets half the episodes that makes a massive difference. Yeah incredible point. We have format chills in the chat and just just just do an account for when I get giggly Ryan. I get chills. You haven't seen the beginning of it. Sometimes there's like 40 Matt chills. Wait for is nothing had happened and the giggling goes on for like five minutes. Yeah in the Chad. They do want to talk about the Laurel how she didn't have she didn't use her Canary cry and she carried a gun in this episode very interesting and how interesting how she didn't have her powers in Earth to very interesting. So this well, yeah few things one. We only have a few minutes left. So we kind of have to wrap and go into news and gossip. So I apologize will skim that really quickly though because those are great observations. To bring up and she is somebody who came from Earth. We just knew in the last season into this one. So maybe she just doesn't I don't remember it. Was there a reason why she doesn't have a canary cry. It was a necklace for her though, wasn't it? I don't know know that one. That one did have the kinda cry. Oh, the necklace was in the original one who died? Okay that was made by Cisco. Then this version of her does have it, but she also only had like one fight scene really so it's possible that they just Use the special effects on it because budget she was carrying gun. And then Adam in the chat says Earth to Dinah is actually still human interesting. So I don't know. Yeah get on now. We'll find out as we go into the season and look it up. Yeah, but let's get dismissed AfterBuzz TV news. Wow. So we also have pictures and fun and I think Matt and I are gonna go back and forth a little bit with some news and gossip. So whatever pulls up first, ah, who said they thought that there was going To be some scenes where Stephen sees me Oliver got to go into the Earth in the future that you karolina. But oh, yeah Caroline. Yeah, we got some actors in there with our regulars that it's Constantine. Yeah. So yeah just shows and his daughter and Steve just said, yeah. I know I was getting ready for Archers Alice. He's out I'm sober will have right after that. And of course the I want to talk about if I could she's never coming back. We don't know what capacity but just to be awesome. I hope in all capacities and all the best and I hope she puts her red suit on again, and we're going to see her and Roy. Yeah make out again and it's gonna be great. Oh and also, so this news dropped I tweeted it out in some of you went what in September. But according to deadline there is going to be a birds of prey spin-off. Buddy, so I'm here for it. I'm excited and at the you're looking on the picture you can see but if you're listening to a podcast the characters that are going to be revolving are going to be Mia and then Katie Cassidy is Black Canary and then everybody's favorite dying that as Black Canary. Yay. Actually, I think an episode of her I'm excited because they try to do that Black Canary episode, but they didn't really give us all that we wanted. So we're excited for that. Yeah, and then what's this everybody sitting at it? This is hey, this is the scene from code eight. If you guys remember a few years ago, it's like me to us years ago. Robbie amell's Stephen Amell. We're doing a Indiegogo type campaign to try to fund an independent film that they wanted to put together. They got it funded and now they actually partnered up with a production company. So it is going to have a theatrical release. Yeah. So just something to keep in mind in the future you get to see the cousins together. I'm families are so pretty. It's a And then this is a fun little Facebook video of him talking about a contest that he's reopening. There's a time he wants we're going to go ahead and hit play in here. Stephen. Talk about it then bye y'all that's the screenshot to let you know where it is. You actually have to go to this is a screenshot. Yeah video. So I'll talk while you do that. So I wanted to talk about since we're doing so many TBT being on a to it is a Tuesday. It is a Tuesday. Okay. So Stephen Amell was talking about when he First got this job and how he went about getting it and originally Robbie Amell his cousin who was on tomorrow. It was a Tomorrow People. He got the audition and was talking to Steven was like, hey, did you get that Arrow audition? He was like, no was that and Robbie's like well I went and I auditioned for but the entire time I just kept thinking of you you should audition for it. So he ended up I don't know how Steven got himself in because it's not like you can be like go go go. Yeah you get in that's not how I mean if you look like some shoes, so he said he went in and he said that they were like, hey cool. That was great. Can you leave a room please? And so he left and then he came back in the room because they were like if you see something interesting like the big big top dogs are like if you see somebody interesting bring us in Stephen Amell was the very first person I think that day to audition and then they brought in the top got dogs watch his audition and he said by that following Tuesday, he got the phone call. They got the job. Wow. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, super cool. Wow Let's watch TV. I have this video. I'm in the middle of cross over time and We wanted to chat with you about Wicked am details will get AIM if you're not familiar is a wine that we've been doing with nocking point. It's our Cabernet Sauvignon are one of our Cabernet Sauvignon. So we've been doing for several years now and we had a contest because when we first started doing it, we had someone named it. Excuse me. Someone draw the label its name is risto is cool. And we are now going to do the same thing again. So we had a bunch of people submit drawings and we didn't find one that we wanted in. Allure but it pushed us in a Direction Where We want to open up the contest again and see if you guys can't do what we're looking for. I think that somebody can personally so if you think back to the pile of their oh, there's that iconic scene iconic. I can't believe I just said that about my own show. Oh, my wife is laughing at me. I mean in the iconography of the show doesn't it's not iconic when I But I can ography iconography is something that happens within the context of a character God damn it and way there there is a memorable scene during the pilot where I launched all those tennis balls and then I start firing the arrows and they start hitting the tennis balls. And then there's that last frame where you see all the tennis balls on the wall, and you see all the arrows Pierce into them what we're looking for is Is a drawing a big bold graphic novel type drawing which basically depicts that scene and if you can do more arrows if you can get up to eight tennis balls and arrows into the drawing even better if you can format the way that it cut it off really quick because it's a long video, but if anybody is a drawer, which I know we have a lot of fans that are you should by all means submit your drawing. So Stephen Amell see him drawings takes me to Comics talk comic books makes me think of archers alley so I don't trust you. Hey guys, welcome to tonight's issue of archers alley. So I've actually got a screenshot from a comic For You featuring Superman and Green Arrow an unlikely pairing and I chose this for you guys tonight. First of all, thank you to our friends at DC who sent us a bunch of comic books from throughout the years where we can pull this knowledge from so if you're watching on YouTube, if you're on the podcast it is a comic strip. So if you're on YouTube, I can pause it. You can see the combo between Superman and Green Arrow, but basically this is from the comic the Trap and the run of the arrow and there's two different versions of it because on Earth one green arrow dies and on Earth 31 heat is not but he loses his arm causing him to her his hand causing him to become a cripple and really hating Superman because he would rather die then be crippled and be unable to be the Green Arrow, but what they're doing here is they were fighting the supervillain. Acts and he is strapped to a bio bomb and Superman has to make some tough decisions. So if you are a comic book fan, you can go out and get the Trap and the run of the arrow. Hopefully you can find it eBay is a great source of comic books. And yeah, I just felt like it really tied into this season with the multiple Earths and his death that's been looming over us and what's going to happen and hey, he makes it out alive on one earth - to hand and he doesn't quite make it on another so Who knows what the season will hold but I hope that archers Ali ties it in with the comics for you. Yeah Ryan time. So stay tuned because next episode all of you has a really great story that she's going to share with us an interview that she got to do herself. Yeah, which were all jelly we just ran out of time because there's too much stuff to talk about it's Weezy. So let's get like one line predictions and then call it your AfterBuzz TV predictions. I think we're going to me. The anti-monitor sooner rather than later. Okay. I think Oliver is going to meet his daughter sooner rather than later. Okay copycat. Thank you. See ya. No, no. No, I love that but you're right. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I think that I think we're actually going to see Thea next week. I think that we're going to meet Damian darhk-- again because I'd really love to see him again. Good one. Yes and last observation. Ation Curtis was still with in one of the pictures cute white guy. Yeah on the earth that they blew up and no longer. Okay? Okay good. They're dead. It's all gone. You're all dead. Terrible Point. Let's just say I just want an apple pie. Close all I'm at your surely Ali Kona with little underscores in between on Instagram by me. I'm more active there than anywhere else and you can find me at Mari the Matt Maher to teach to our Instagram Twitter. I'm Olivia D Bartoli everywhere. 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Alikona Bradford, Matt Marr, Carolina Bonetti, and Olivia deBertoli discuss the season 8 premiere of Arrow where while trying to decipher The Monitor's mission, Oliver returns to Starling City where he encounters familiar faces; Mia and William's team clash with a new foe. ABOUT ARROW: Arrow is an American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg. It is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. It premiered in North America on The CW on October 10, 2012, with international broadcasting taking place in late 2012. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen, portrayed by Stephen Amell, who, after five years of being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Unlike in the comic books, Oliver does not go by the alias "Green Arrow" in the television series. Arrow also features appearances by other DC Comics characters.

this episode of Molly's minutes is sponsored by depop depop is the Community Marketplace app where creatives come to buy sell and discover the most unique items from around the world for many of us including myself fashion is a form of expression a way to tell a story of who we are how we are feeling and what we stand for whether you want to shock Inspire Rebel or just experiment depop gives you the space to do just that without breaking the bank or the planet download the app for IOS and Android now or head to deep up.com to get started. Nobody Rings me. Anyway, though these days to be honest before my mom. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, hello everyone. Hello. I'm here with Joanna Scott. Did I say that correctly? Okay, just in case you never know and welcome back to Molly's minutes and thank you for coming back. This is the first podcast I've recorded in a little while because I had such a backup as I was saying Shauna earlier, and I'm really excited to have you. Because female sexuality and sexuality in general has become a topic of great interest to me. Yeah read it. I'm like I started reading up and watching TED talks and listening to podcasts about sex and I was just like discovered that I didn't know that much about myself. Anyway, we'll get into that and but you want to kind of say who you are and what you do like might be a bit broad. What so my name is Shawna Scott. I run an online sex shop called sex shop a dolly. It's the only sex shop in Ireland. First of all multi-award-winning. Yeah go on. Yeah, well toward winning and it's the only sex shop in Ireland that I'm aware of that stocks products that are made solely with my safe materials cool. So so that means that the products that I stock are it would be safe for internal use they're made from materials like Wanted hard plastic and stainless steel stuff that's like non-porous doesn't no toxic chemicals or anything like that. He what is the regulations to do with no sex toys. Sorry. Just ignore me. I'm just fixing my we're okay. But um, yeah worldwide like the industry is largely unlike unregulated so you can make a sex toy out of any old material and it's perfectly legal to do so, but I do have mixed feelings when it comes to regulation like when I first started Arted the shop. I was like, yes gung-ho regulation. But then the more I kind of read up on it like what it would require for a company to have FDA approval in the States because like most of most of the manufacturers would be American brands, but there's a lot of like independent brands in like the UK and Europe and like all around the world like people who are just like little mom and pop Etsy shops making like, Nice hand poured silicone toys who would like like I know a lot of them would Supply some of like the the bigger like feminist run retail places as well like in the states and they would be completely cut out of the industry if we required FDA approval for sex toys. So it's one of the few cases where I would say like the market will kind of fix itself and we and we've Seen that already in the last like 15 20 years. We've seen massive growth in like the silicon and silicon manufacturing like 20 years ago. The only Soul silicone manufacturers. I think we're Tantus and they're based out of Nevada the United States and back then like silicone was massively expensive. But now we're it's gotten to a point where like Platinum cured silicone like the the safest like form of silicon. Is is much much cheaper. It's almost just as cheap to make a silicone toy as it is to make like a PVC toy, which is what you like most. If you have an idea in your head of like a pink jelly like Crystal jelly dildo. That's like all Wiggly that's those are made of PVC. Okay, and to get PVC to that like Wiggly State you have to throw in tons and tons of plastic softeners and that's where the problem lies. It's like those plastic softeners are the In group of them is called phthalates and their band and children's toys in the state's up to like point one point zero one percent of a toys entire makeup can be these phthalates, but because it's not regulated and sex toys historically. It's meant that PVC toys would have like huge amounts of phthalates in it to get it to that jelly-like consistency. So a lot of female founded sex shops, and I'm kind of like feminists and like Co-op sex shops have really been pushing. Seeing education on this and letting their customers know and ever since like, you know, we have like high-speed internet like informations getting to as much faster. So it's much easier to educate the public on like you need to make sure that the sex toys that you're buying our body safe like made a body safe materials because otherwise they can cause irritation they can cause there's been like anecdotal stories of people who have gotten like chemical burns down there. Yeah and there. Others report would have come out that have linked phthalates to to cancer. So we just need to be like more careful and oh and then the other thing with like PVC choices at their poorest and that's why I like those chemicals Leach out of the pores. That's why if you get a jelly toy they tend to degrade over time if you like. If you try to like store them they they start to like sweat if it's in like any kind of Like warm space it'll little sweat and that's the chemicals like leaching out of it. So, oh my God, I'm like higher fight. It's not gross. So I like silicone all the way. Yeah. Yeah. So silicone toys Stainless Steel toys, you can get like like really pretty wood toys that are coated with polyurethane because polyurethane is body safe. Okay. So yeah, there's there's plenty of materials out there that are just as cheap or a Like slightly more expensive than the gross pink jelly dildos that you'd get like normally. Okay. I'll see I have no experience of dildos that just like wouldn't penetration just like doesn't like it's not that it doesn't it interests me with another human. Yeah, but not with a toy. Yeah, but what is your experience with toys? Like what led you to start the shop? So I started the shop because I was in the market for a vibrator the vibrator that I had kind of Died a death so I needed a new one and I was doing like my my own like product research and from that. I was just like I wanted to I knew I knew what Toya want to get and I couldn't find it and any of the Dublin shops at any time. I went in any of the Dublin shops. I felt found it was a very male-dominated space. I felt kind of uncomfortable shopping in like Dublin sex shops. So I the next time that I went home, I'm from Seattle originally. So the next time I went Home, I went to Babeland which is our big like female founded sex shop. A lot of people would know Babeland because they have a few outlets in New York. It's where there was a report that Beyonce had bought like a $15,000 like vibrate like gold-plated vibrator. That was for Babeland. So so if Babeland sounds familiar to you, that's probably but they're originally from Seattle. So I went there and I I was just really Blown Away by the customer service by the like the merchandising was just fab. And I'd like I joke about this all the time that like natural light does a lot of you have a sex shop like maybe maybe don't black out the window. But again like it was just it was presented. So like naturally and like, you know, this isn't a big deal and and you know, we this is the should be like a fun shopping experience it does. Need to be intimidating and I felt comfortable asking questions of the staff. So and I and I you know got really good answers. They knew their products in and out and and I came home from that experience and was like, I feel like I need to run a sex shop and I texted my friend Tara and I was like Tara I think I need to run a section and she was like, yeah, I think you absolutely do and so her and I I did a few kind of like Market stalls. We made our own like little Kink accoutrements like kind of hitting things and like Wax jugs for like pouring candles and stuff. And so we did like a few things like that and then she went off and started her own design business and was like, look I want I really want you to take this and run with it and make it your own and so I did and then about a year later I set up sex Java and its current iteration. It's absolutely incredible because I know what you mean. Like I've gone into a sex shop in cable Street when I was like in first-year college like at the very start so to being like 1918 and I let us walk straight out. Like there was it was dark there. I could tell the person behind the counter didn't know much about like, you know, like couldn't give me like an informed decision or even that I would be comfortable talking to you. Yeah, and as you say it was very like male-driven and like there was just like just huge like veiny penises everywhere. Like it didn't I wasn't looking for that, you know, don't ya and I was just like, oh my God, this is too much. I don't know why I ever thought I could do this and I came away from the experience like this card and I didn't try to buy a sec story for another like year. Yeah. And so I really what you're doing because it well for me and I know for a lot of other girls, they are not like they're not having the pleasure that they can or they don't think that they can even get pleasure. Like have you find that with females that they maybe haven't have had orgasms or their life has been changed. I always thought like a lot of the people that come to me. I mean, I do have lots of like really great regular customers as well who have you know, bought their first vibrator. Mirror their first like butt plug from me and have like come kept coming back to me like time and time again because I made that their first experience like really unintimidating and but I'd say like most of my customers would be like first time first time buyers first time like ever ever getting the sex toy. And so I want like it means so much to me that they've put their faith in their trust in me. I want that experience to be really good and I it's part of the reason why I gift Wrap everything as well. So if you're like buying a toy for me, like I don't care if you want it or not. You're getting a gift. Right if anyone deserves to have their sex toys gift wrap with a fucking bow on it and people of Ireland. So it's just like I wanna I want to make that that experience like fun and make them feel like they're investing in themselves because like they are they're investing in their own sexual health and sexual pleasure. So like why wouldn't we want to like celebrate? Yeah, and you don't put return addresses or like make it obvious that it's no no, so so I understand while I'm very loud and proud about like I love my sex toy and I understand that not everybody is going to feel that way. So when people order from me and the way that it works, it's either in a box or like a like a bubble envelope and it's just got the return address or if they're getting it sent to a person Motel just the person Hotel labels. It doesn't say it's from a sex shop and again like it's Trap so no one's going to see like what's inside it. Anyway, unless they're going to be that person and unwrapping. No one wants to be that person. Have you fun that people? Like obviously people are embarrassed. But where were you surprised about how embarrassed people could be a by talking about sex even in you've talked on panels and I'm sure you answer a lot of questions even just on Instagram on a daily basis. Have you idiots like people well people are less embarrassed than we think they are. Okay, there's some people that like, you know, it's kind of a middle ground. Like where are they? They're not necessarily embarrassed by the toys. They just don't want there. Kids opening it like that kind of thing and I can I can understand that or like people who live with their parents. They don't want to get it sent to their house and have like their mom or dad heaven forbid like open up their butt plug. Yeah. So like I get that like they want a certain level of privacy but like Ireland's way more liberal than we give ourselves credit for I think we've seen that in the last two referenda that were if we're given a platform to say what we need to say to like to talk about sex like we will talk about it. It's just we've never get been given that platform before and so there's been times where I have been given giving a talk or I've been sitting on a panel discussion and we'd go to the audience and be like does anyone have any questions and nobody raises their hands? And so I'm like, right the first person to ask me something gets a free bottle of lube and then all of the hands go up, so it's just like incentivizing people to be more open and giving them a platform to Do it and there's another time I was giving a talk and again, like nobody raised their hand for the questions and I and then finally like I just I kind of look to a friend of mine like he got asked a question. Otherwise, no one's going to put their hand up. And so I got a friend of mine to ask a question. And then from that someone else asked a question that another person asked a question and then like one woman stood up and like raised our hand and like was asking about three ways and they ended up. Eventually, we just kind of pass the mic around the room. Like we're just we're just going to do an advice like a lion column here. So it again like if you give people a chance to talk about it, like it'll they just need like a minute or two to get over themselves. And then it's fine. It's absolutely fine. It always just baffles me because like sex is I know we all know this it's just like something that we all go through. Yeah. It's one of its one of the few things. Sacks and pooping fairly University like it's just it baffles me. And I mean, I was completely the same like I think where I grew not where I grew up but as in like just like the situation my parents are really like fine about all things sex. Like as I said, my mom told me to follow you when I can which is so awesome by the way more my friends and people around me like I don't know it would have been so embarrassing to talk about sex. I never talked about sex and Mike I've actually so yeah, I've heard that from like more and more younger people like people in college saying like that. They just wouldn't talk about sex with their friends and I I'm trying to remember if I don't think like me and my friends ever really talked about sex, but then once I was in my 20s, like we absolutely did but I but I noticed that like people Who are giving consent classes more and more say like young people aren't talking about sex. Like they're probably talking about sex less than previous generations. But which just makes it all the more like, I don't want to say. Yeah dangerous. Let's go with danger. It is dangerous because our STI rates are going up like chlamydia and gonorrhea are up like 30 percent each year for the like the last like few years or something like that. Like that, I'd known in Ireland my age gets checked. We I literally it's a question now that when I'm out people like hate me because like who asked this question but like I just get so intense so quickly, I think it's because I run a podcast like that. I'm just so not used to having normal conversations anymore. And I'm like, do you ever get checked and I like I but then you finally get normal conversation. I haven't gotten one yet. So far one. Yes, which is bananas because there's so many like there's free places in Dublin to do it. You can get it done at James's Hospital you can get Done it the Mater hospital for free and then most colleges will have free testing as well. So there's no excuse you guys your literary isn't on if you are if you like you're taking someone else's like reproductive organs into your own hands. If you are not getting check like it's just it's just not into your own house. That sounds so weird. Why don't you join us? It's just so bizarre like even on it's amazing. I went to the doctor the other day. Day with like a different problem to of my period And she was like by the way, I'd like do you need like to do an STD or STI tests? Yeah. She just gave me one was like drop it back in its free free just like off the bat and I was like, thank you so much. Like that's really important that you said that to me. No, no doctors ever said that to me. Yeah or and yeah, just it baffles my mind like ever since I started talking about sex with random people like there was One girl. I was just randomly talking about vibrators. Yeah, and I was like, honestly I never I'd had like a few orgasms. You're like like nothing until I got a vibrator and she was just like oh, yeah, I've had a little those are orgasms weird. I completely sober having this conversation and then she was drunk like two weeks later and she was like, oh my God, I never had an orgasm. I got of my videos amazing like amazing. I was like what the fuck like smelling like shit is like people want permission to yeah. Yeah, get those kind of things. Yeah. Yeah, why would you why would the tips that you would give to people if they were it was the first time buying a sex toy? So first I'm buying a sex toy like think about what you like when you are like currently masturbating. Do you like penetration? Do you like mostly like external clitoral stimulation? Because anyone who says like the g-spots differ from the clitoris guess what? They're not. It's the internal clitoris. So I'll send you on like a there's A diagram of like the internal and external clitoris the the external clitoris is sorry. I'm like totally going off of something here. The external clitoris is just the tip of the iceberg. There's like it's got like arms and shit like underneath like like underneath your vulva and like that kind of wraps around the vaginal canal and that's all like really super sensitive as well. So so when they say like your when your fingering someone or yourself to press like up and like forward That's because that's rubbing the internal clitoris. Okay, so so you have to like determine like what do you what do you like the most is it internal or external like stimulation? Do you like anal stimulation? Do you like your nipples played with that kind of thing and and determining from there like what toy is going to suit you best. So I was on a podcast recently where I gave one of the hosts a vibrator to try And she came back and said that she she liked it. She enjoyed it, but he realized because of her masturbation style. She likes em more pressure and this toy wasn't giving it because it had like two little ears that like vibrated that that wasn't giving her the pressure that she she needed. So I'm going to try to try to find her a vibrator that's going to see because I can't have her out in the world without a good vibe. So it's just it's figuring out like trying to figure out like what You like normally and then applying that to a toy style. Yeah, because for me I got very lucky. I just I bought one and it just worked for me. But I know from listening to other podcasts and just from generally like having a vagina. I always thought there was something seriously wrong with me because I didn't like I got something from penetration, but it's not the same. I genuinely thought there was something wrong with me and I remember talking to a girl in school about it. I like being like like I think that like I'm asexual like I like everybody thought that yeah, and she was like me to like and I think a lot of young girls think this. Yeah, so that's that's a myth that's kind of been perpetuated by like film and like romantic comedies and and like, you know mainstream porn is that like women can come by penetration alone and only like 75% of women cannot come from penetration alone. So you not insane say like right so we got I needed to hear that. But any but anytime you like watch a movie and there's a sex scene. It's like penis goes in vagina not even warm up when there's right. They just like even for the guy like, I know that guys it's sometimes do that, but it's just like and then then it's just dumb like that. It's done. I don't like they both come together whatever happens very rarely happens and then they fall asleep and it's like it's all over. Antic and we need to like get away weary because I find that like incredibly damaging because if you're telling if you're telling young women that that is the way that like you come and they're not able to do that. Like like you said you feel like there's something wrong with you. I'm seriously and so like it's also meant that there's an entire like generation or five million of guys out there. There who think like if I can't make a woman come from my penis and there's there's something wrong with me or if she needs a vibrator to get off. Well, then there's something wrong with me. And so like I've been in relationships with guys who did not want me using my vibrator because it intimidated them because they felt like well if she has a vibrator then she doesn't have any use for me. Now those relationships were short-lived because if you're telling me that I can't use my vibrator. You're right there. No use for you because it's really really for a lot of women. It's very difficult to get off and either because of performance anxiety. Like I know we talked about performance anxiety in in the context of like men getting an erection, but it's the same for women sometimes like we we find it difficult to to get there in front of another person because like we're so used to like doing it ourselves and also like kind of Assumed with the idea that like we need to be we need to be sexy and like pretty when we come but like when I'm masturbating I make the ugliest goddamn face. It's like having a seizure like yeah, and so like you need to that you need to find someone that you can comfortably have that like ugly come face, but also like find someone who's going to be like comfortable with you getting off. However, you need to get off for some women. It is sex like for me, I mean like it's different for everyone. It depends how you get off but like sex isn't just like penetration, you know what I mean? And I mean for a lot of people that isn't like obviously this is like me talking I was like a straight person but like for a lot of people penetration isn't sex but not for long. Yeah, right people to be to be clear like queer people don't usually have these problems because there's much better at communicating like what they need. To each other than straight people are and but again it's down to like media representation like up until fairly recently. There wasn't a lot of media representation of like queer sex. And so they're able to kind of like build their culture and build their communication like on their own without this sort of already like contextualize like this is what sex is supposed to be because like again like everybody's saying sex is hetero sex. Anyway, yeah. So yeah when I when we talk about like sex X like just generally and people having problems communicating during sex. It's pretty much all of the heteros. Yeah, literally like I remember I was listening to a podcast called. How come with Remy kasmir and she had their sex therapist on and I think it was the guy who wrote she comes first. Okay, and and he was saying that like, sometimes if people have really bad problems like straight couples have really bad problems with communication. He's And watch some like male gay porn. Yeah, he was like, I don't want you to do it like get off like I don't care if you do get off to that but like whatever he was like just see how they communicate but like especially if the mom has like is has learned sex from porn which today like I know like when I was younger, I wasn't watching porn to like for my own pleasure. I was watching it because I was like, this is how I'm gonna learn about sex because oh my God, what all my friends do that's what I was actually told to do by my friends. I'm to be honest. I've probably told people to do that as well when I was younger because There was nothing to do with like for like straight guys say I went to Mexico their pleasure. Probably the height of their pleasure is probably penetration. Yeah, and when you're having the sex talk because it's just all about pregnancy for some reason. It is just about penetration. So like that's them kind of like they got a little bit of Education obviously not as much as they need because of the Litany of it is they know how to get off because the way that they get off has always been the way you have sex exactly. Yeah, but for girls You just leave so compute like I actually left like probably more confusing damaged. And yeah, we were all like let's like that's the only time I probably did talk to my school friends about taxes that we are like, oh how you learned how to like give head as from pouring like I got to this is give and that's why everyone's making it that my generation. I think and what yeah, we're going to take a quick break because the time is right to get up and my camera and then we'll come back and and okay. Yeah, we're going to keep talking about that whole learning from porn thing. Yeah. So one of the one of my my favorite things it's like anyone who said about like learning or sex that from porn came from Dan Savage where he was talking about how you shouldn't take porn as like real sex. It's like the Olympics of sex like they're they're putting in a lot of hard work because it has to be entertaining right? So so like if you think about like porn stars as being like the Olympians of That's like expecting like a regular person to do like a triple Axel of blow jobs. Like you can't you can't expect anyone to like gain any kind of like Knowledge from porn other than like put slot a and to tab be yeah and also it's like there's like lights there is a sash. Yeah. It's like for the most part. Yeah. I'm but I'm talking about like say I don't know. Like a lot of porn say on horn Hood now is like, you know might be just like really home ad stuff but like the there so it's still like a theatrical like a lot more that's like it's being filmed and secret which I would hope that there's nothing out there like that. But like it's always going to be a theatrical like experience and like a lot of it's like girls just like just anyone make those noises when you're having sex, um some people there Most people yeah and but you put up a post about pouring the other day that I was really interested in. Do you want to talk about it a little bit Yeah, so there has been kind of like a viral thing every now and then like PornHub will do like infographics. I keep like touching your plans portable like send out like a like an infographic of like information about like porn viewership in the different countries. Excuse me. That's a yeah and Ireland especially like has come up with like some some pretty some pretty funny like statistics. Like I can imagine did you know that the one time of year that porn viewership like takes a dip? Can you guess what that is? There's one time of year where it's like it's fairly consistent all year long and then it just takes a nosedive. Christmas close. I don't know. It's Dairy is dairy. It's a time when there's something on TV. The Late Late Show the late like Toy Show what? Yeah fuck because everybody's watching it everybody in Ireland watches only 20 show and so porn viewership goes down, but they came out with an infographic last week that showed sorry. I'm so shocked. It showed the most popular categories in each County like in comparison to the rest of the counties in Ireland. And they didn't include the north which I thought was funny but they the categories are like they haven't changed their category categorization and it's not just porn hub. It's like it's all of the major which I think most of them are owned by the same parent companies PornHub now, but most free tube sites have the same sort of category category or ization like system. Sorry, I can't even talk today. Stop the hard word categorization. Yeah grazing and and they're really like a lot of them would be quite like offensive terminology because it hasn't changed in 15-20 years, like basically since internet porn started and they started like free tube site started. Yeah. They've had these like these same categories and some of them are racially offensive. Some of them are offensive to queer people. Trans people like some of them would be like quite misogynist. So but unfortunately because these free tube site sort of have the the Monopoly at the very tippy top. They have no incentive to change its like if if just for example if we had like regulation on sex toys you would just have the Monopoly of like the big big businesses at the very top and a lot of the the smaller like Mom and Pop Shops and manufacturers who are making like interesting more bigger like varieties to accommodate like, you know queer people and like people with disabilities and that kind of thing you'd get the like the same five sex toys and at the moment with the way the porn industry is you're getting like because free tube sites everything's like free. So people like most people would watch would it If they're looking for pouring arm logging onto free tube sites, you're getting the same kinds of porn over and over and over again. It's just cookie cutter like the same scenes but just like slightly different lingerie. Yeah, so so yes, there's there's a huge huge problem there and it's what I try to tell people is like to view when you hear people say like well, I don't like porn because of X it usually what they're thinking is like I don't like the port of the free to Hmm, but there's so many more like great directors out there. Like Erica lost is one tired of our cologne. Yeah. She's probably the most famous. She's got a really good like communication strategy. She'd be at all like the major magazines, but then you have like other directors like shine Louise Houston who is doing like amazing like queer work you have like she's on Crash Pad series and and and pink and white do like really great like queer and LGBT stuff. I'd like you said if you're like looking for porn for your sex education may be watched like porn from queer directors because they like again like they show scenes where people are communicating how they feel and communicating like what turns them on and what they want out of a situation. It's not just penis and vagina or penis and mouth. So, yeah, I would like highly recommend you could go Feminist porn Awards. I think it's feminist porn Awards.com or just Google feminist porn Awards and just go through the list of directors there and you'll find some really really great stuff because I know myself I've been like on PornHub going through stuff and you like click on something that you think you might be interested in and then it just like turns out to be like so offensive and grotesque. Yeah, and then obviously that's a turtle turn off, but you also come away because like you said like vulnerable or for me anyway, like in that kind of situation you like feel like I don't know if I feel like I've liked contributed to that being made because I just like pressed on it. You know what I mean? And I like I was on the other day and you know the way there's like those pop-up vinyl banners at the top and it was like some really sick and it was like implying that like it was like foreign of children whatever but it wasn't, you know, it was like teen but like the person has like a like anyway, and then you know the way you you look on the search part and It's I mean, it's like I've never been this open, but I and then the first thing that's like popular searches right now. Is that what that is for? Yeah, and I just like it was like, okay. Well now I'm well, that's just another yeah, that's just another like advertisement as well. But like yeah it like How do I want to address this just in terms of like again, like the the free tube sites they don't as far as I'm aware, they do not content create. They are either working with Studios like paying them like they've really driven down the the value of the performers work and the people behind the camera as well because again, they're the very tippy top. They're like, they're the Lee and so they have the power to do that and so I really want to encourage people to like support independent directors and producers directly instead of going to free tube sites to to like financially support them the way that you would financially support your favorite podcast or financially support your favorite like webcomic. It's no different like from any other type of creative work and there's people out there that are making like I know some people I have a problem saying porn is Art but porn is fucking art. And we need to maybe just because you're watching the wrong point that you don't think learn is I don't mean like I've seen Eric lost. Like I've only seen like previews of her work. So yeah, I just like haven't been able to pay for it, but it's like stunningly beautiful and I actually think I watched a like a mini documentary about her like behind the scenes and it was like her really talking to the girl. and the even the like that sash was gorgeous unlike the girl was like really interesting looking and it's it is so but like I love like I love are colostrum doesn't credible work at her stuff is really great for people who have never watched porn before and are kind of put off by the idea of like what poor like the idea and that they have in their head of what porn looks like. I think Erica lust is a really great intro to that. I do have I want to say constructive criticism. Yeah of of her work just well. Mostly of like her communication strategy. Okay. It's really good. It's really effective. But she bad-mouths the mainstream porn industry quite a lot. Okay, which I find interesting because a lot of her performers, especially at the beginning when she first started doing X confessions came from the mainstream industry and some of her like performers who weren't in the mainstream industry went to the mainstream and okay, so sting so for her to say that all a porn in the mainstream industry is about like like face-fucking. Yeah, which I've like I've heard her say in interviews that it's like it's all about like face-fucking or I think like I think she might have said but like I don't want to quote her but like it's like she has just nothing good to say about the the mainstream industry and like again, like I have a lot of criticisms the mainstream industry as well. But that seems to be her main selling point is she's like we are not the porn industry. Yeah, we are. Something different and I think there are better ways to like set yourself apart then bad-mouthing the other industry, especially when you have people on your payroll who are from that industry and people who currently yeah The Who currently and like previously worked there. So I that's that's kind of my there's other people who have criticized her and I don't know if it's necessarily A criticism of her work or just this idea that like now she's really for want of a better word. I fucking hate this word disrupted the porn industry because she came from a film background. She studied film and video and so her stuff does look really cinematic and she has bigger budgets behind it. And it's kind of its own like machine. She has like tons of people who work for the studio and so her stuff like looks really cinematic, but there's a lot of people who will go after who Don't have that kind of budget who are making equally valuable stuff, but it just doesn't look like something that you would watch in a cinema. And so the criticism is that it's it's class this to say that Erica lost is the only person doing yeah feminist porn because she's not she's doing the stuff that probably looks the sleekest but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the only she's the only feminist porn director. So if you if a girl came to you and said look, I want to watch better porn like porn ready. Intimidates me on like pornhub or whatever. Yeah. Where what steps would you tell them to take Google feminist porn Awards and I'd go through the list of directors because you'll find like huge waves of like amazing directors like not just in the queer space. There's plenty of like heterosexual directors as well. Okay, and then as well, I really wanted to ask you this because because of I've come across so many girls that haven't had orgasms out which is like also I want people to know that that's like a very common thing. Yeah, and also orgasms aren't the be-all and end-all of sex like most important thing is that you're just like enjoying it. But if someone obviously really wants to have an orgasm. Yeah, and they haven't yet. What would you say to them? Keep going on it? I don't want to say like maybe you're unsure of your Anatomy, but it's very possible because I think like we don't arm young women with the vocabulary to describe their Anatomy. I was on a TV show a couple years ago where they had they brought in secondary school students and they showed a diagram of the of the female anatomy and said, okay, where's the labia? We're like What is the vulva? Whereas urethra? Where's your clitoris? Where's your vagina? And Of them got the answers, right but a lot of them didn't and so we're not like because the male anatomy is mostly external guys. Just know they're different bits and I feel like gotten for the most part guys. Like they're allowed natural part of culture to like for them to let you talk about us and talk about it. Yeah and for women, it's like you do not touch down there. You don't explore down there. You don't look down there and we really need. To like shake that off. So firstly I want to know does the does the person is the person aware of their own Anatomy? If not, they need to take a hand mirror and look down there and like touch the different bits. Mmm, give yourself a little Boop and like find out what feels good. Yeah, and then once you find out the bet that feels good keep touching that just keep going and you'll know when you're done Daddy. I like that's what I feel. Of the girls I've talked about this is like maybe I have I don't know. I don't like know if you're yeah, but but yeah, like it could be down to like shame as well not feeling comfortable in your own skin because again lack of sex education kind of induces a lot of like Shay like sexual shame and body shame. So I always try to recommend like maybe like Like doing some stuff to like help you relax. I don't want to be like everybody should have a bath but like everybody should have a bath go to wash get yourself a bath bomb. But like like do the things that you need to do to relax like, you know yourself, like what feels good and a relaxation sends and like give yourself time like schedule out time schedule yourself out an hour two hours that you're going to be home alone and and Yeah practice without a partner there that I think that's important. It's Sookie. I didn't have to know yourself. Yeah for you. Bring someone else not like you can obviously do whatever you want with another person. But if it's your own Journey on say like having an orgasm or yeah, you need to practice yourself will do. Yeah, and that doesn't mean like if you're in a relationship with someone dumped that person down masturbating like just just wait till like they're not there. Yeah and give yourself plenty of time and space. A stew like really ground yourself and and try to figure out like what feels good make sure you're in a warm room because there is nothing worse than having a wank and a cold cold cold heart. No, I heard the other day that when you're warm, it really makes a difference because then your blood can afford to go down there. Yes. Yeah. Yeah players like when you're called to Canton has to pump holder. And so yeah sure. You're warm. Make sure it make sure you're nice and warm. Make sure you have good lighting. Yeah, if you've just got The one like overhead bulb like that's not sexy. That's not cute like get yourself like a little like some tea lights or like a little table lamp for my care something like like set the mood be romantic with yourself. Yeah, and yeah, just just go for it. Another thing that I would say and this is just coming completely from personal experience. Is that like I think again from what you said which like movies and stuff is you think that you're going to have an orgasm like three minutes. Yeah, or even like 10 minutes. It's but for women first of all it you might need to like really heighten it for instance with like a vibrator something like that. Yeah, or you just might have to go for a little bit longer. Yeah, and if you were in like a straight like situation, it's not over when he comes. Yes. Oh my God, so important. Yes so important. Yeah if he Comes first you need to make sure he does not fall asleep. Yeah, I mean like I don't want to say like every single time but there's enough of an orgasm Gap like we talked about the orgasm Gap a lot. There's enough of an orgasm Gap where like we can say this kind of in general terms. Do not let him fall asleep. Yeah. He's not dumb. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, like like you said orgasm orgasms aren't the be-all and end-all. Well, yeah, but I don't I don't want to tell people that and then have them use that as an excuse to not to not want to bother their boyfriend or if you're a guy to I don't want you using that as an excuse not to go down on her not to like try your best at like please her. Yeah, and again like oh, so the other thing I have like a massive issue with is when straight guys go down on a girl and then they're like, have you not come yet or like Did you come that time or like Blake putting pressure on a girl to come or going down on a girl specifically for their pleasure? Yeah, like I have like huge issues with that like guys who were like, oh go down on you for as long as you want. I'll go down on you for like an hour and it's like yeah, that's lovely. But how about you go down on me? Like tell I tell you not to like yeah, I don't I enjoyed it. Yeah. About you this is about me. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's almost it feels almost like fetishizing. Yeah, like going down on a girl and not necessarily for her pleasure. And yeah have issues with that. Yeah. It's it's such a Minefield talk about these things, but it shouldn't be it's like I have tried to make so many videos but like see I'm not an expert but like just even like people asking I'm like ask me anything. I will answer them like and we've asked a lot. The questions that people asked me today on my Instagram which I'm actually really thankful that people ask me because obviously I can see that name. I'm not going to like click on your profile or anything. But I'd like as you said before with the like the putting up her hand like it takes a lot for someone to put trust in you too. Yeah. I see those kind of questions and and I'm like a complete stranger. This is why I'm just saying anytime someone comes to me with like a like a sex question. I'm like, holy shit. You're asking me. I'm like, oh, yeah. No, I'm the sex shop person. I've been doing this for a while, but it just said like I still haven't gotten over it. I think I think it's fantastic and I'm and I'm like just so honored that people like want to come to me with their questions. Please should be so so proud of yourself like you really are amazing. And even this chat we've had today has been so beneficial to me. So I'm sure he'll be so beneficial to everyone else just before we finish and your top three top text so I won't give you a number just in case Really my side on that could be integral to someone special but top sex toys at the very minute at the very minute. Okay, thank you for saying that. It's too hard at the moment at the moment. Cause like it changes. Yeah, like a fluctuates like sometimes like something that was like a really big seller 2 years ago isn't so much anymore. But again like technology changes as well. But my my favorite like top seller that I have is the Fun Factory missed by okay. It's it's a rabbit style vibrator. But it's not like it's not massive. It's not it's kind of it's quite like the internal bit is quite shallow, but then the one rabbit is like lit but and inside and inside, yeah, so the the external like clitoral bit like it's got like a lovely like flexible head and again like this like nice soft matte silicone. Sorry, then then your internal bit is like curved but kind of like shallow. Something's you can get the internal clitoris as well. Okay, and it has these really lovely like deep penetrating vibrations that are just like Fab like Fun Factory there. They're German companies. You get like a really good German engineering they know how to make a good end. So there's that and then there's also the another big seller at the moment is the Jeju rabbit bullet now, it isn't a rabbit style vibrator. They call it a rabbit cause it's got the two little ears. Yeah. Those two little ears vibrate like if you wanted something. That was the Fun Factory Miss Bai is like a hundred and 15 Euro if you wanted something that's like half the price is 165. Okay. It's a recharge like USB rechargeable. All of our rechargeables are USB rechargeable and waterproof as well. This one is like small slim. You can throw it in your handbag. Like it's it's tiny like and it's and it's really really quiet as well. So So if you just wanted something that's just external stimulation and a rechargeable. I'd go with that one. That's the Jeju rabbit bullet and then if you're really super on a budget like if you're a super poor student and you just want like something cheap as chips, like if you're if you're not sure what you want. The tanker a row hominy is a really good one. It's only 27 Euros. It's just got one button one speed but it'll do the job. And it looks like you know the little EOS lip balms. Oh, no looks like one of them it's really cute. I know but you wouldn't know it was a vibrator unless like you knew okay? Okay. Well amazing. So thank you so much for coming on. Yeah. Thanks so much for having this is so much fun. We should do something again and just to say thank you to my sponsor. Yeah, Andy pop download the app on iOS or Android download go to deep up.com to get started and thank you so much guys. Is and please like subscribe share whatever you can because it helps me. I knuckle like, okay, bye-bye.

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People online. I feel like they're just worried. You might not be there. You know what I mean? Like when they see me go live or something if they don't feel like I'm going to come back. Why would they want to support me? So first off I just want to say welcome to the podcast before we jump into the episode. Let me tell you a little bit about myself and what you can expect I have been in the business now for coming up on 30 years what we're going to talk about in this podcast or things that go on in my day. Today life whether it be as a manager whether it be as a consultant whether it be as someone who is creating products that's helping musicians all over the world. If there's something going on in the industry, we're going to talk about it. If there's a strategy that needs to be taught we're going to talk about it. And if there's some way that I can help get you closer to your goal. Then you're in the right place because that's what we are going to talk about here on the music industry blueprint podcast. Now, let's jump into the episode helping you navigate the music industry. Here's Rick Barker with the music industry blueprint podcast. So here we are. It's taken a while to track her down World traveler the wonderful Dawn buyer tell us where you are waking up and having coffee this morning yesterday. I was in Florida this morning. I'm in the snow. I'm in Idaho. Okay. So Jews finally make enough money to have your own jet or helicopter or you just straight. Right? Right. Don't think I spent on that. I'd probably just buy a bunch more merch just that's all money. Especially if you get a jet because the cost of fuel, you know is going to be totally crazy. So for those of you that don't know Dawn so because this podcast has fired up since you and I have spoken last we're 80 something plus episodes deep in this. So a lot of people may not know who you are. Those of you that follow me know exactly who she is Don is a gal that I tracked down probably two years ago. A lot of people were making reference to what she was. do it online with these Facebook lives and I just became a fan we got together helped her create a course if she could teach you guys what it is that she's doing and what's interesting and this is something that doesn't surprise me, but we've helped hundreds of people know the exact strategies that she's doing but she still the most consistent one of all and as most won't do the work and this is the part Don that trips me out. The most is that you laid the groundwork you laid the foundation but you're the only one that I see still everyday on there doing it introduce yourself and then let's talk about this whole mindset thing because we can't make it any easier on them, but for whatever reason Is it man you got to going on and your your fan base continues to grow your checking account continues to grow and I wish it was duplicatable, but it's nuts. Tell everybody who you are and what it is that you're doing. My name is Don Beyer. I'm a independent singer-songwriter kind of I started, you know, I moved to Nashville like everybody else. I moved to Nashville and I was 16 tried to do the whole thing that I really didn't know. I was what I was trying to do. I went to Nashville on I guess the dream that was sold to me I guess is what I think. Of it now. It's like that's the dream. Maybe maybe it was my dad's. Maybe it was someone else's and it was like, oh you saying you think they sent you should go to Nashville. And once you get there, everything's gonna happen the way, you know, you show up and you're if you're good enough you'll make it right but I showed up and there's a crap ton more singers out there just like me better than me and it's super humbling when you everyone knows who's who's listening to this who, you know showed up in Nashville with their guitar thinking they're going to make something happen real quick and the fact there's a 10-year town. And I think that a lot of that is so true because there's so much you got to do on your own and now so I showed up at 16. I did the whole thing. I moved back and forth went home a couple times ended up playing in the bars in Nashville. Just like people say that you know might want to stay out of playing Broadway because you just get in a rut of playing there for hours, you know for our shift doubles whatever and it's hard on your voice, but I ended up getting into it because I was like, well, I don't want to do anything else but music and so I don't go and work. These jobs and working I hated I'm sitting here in Nashville inside of office going. Why am I here? Why am I doing this? So I just jumped all in and started with Broadway and I did it and just kept playing Broadway kept playing Broadway and just playing for tips ended up making enough in tips, you know, just you know pay my $500 a month rent that I had this little Shack that had no heat no like my floor in my bedroom filled literally filled up with rain like when it would rain it filled up with mud and I had a I had just a mattress on the floor. That's where I was. When I jumped all in and was like no, but I just want to do music that's got to figure this out. So I started with God because I guess that's what you know, my other musician friends were doing and then so I started with that and I just get beat me up beat my voice up. I just I was not able to play my own songs. It's horrible for a songwriter. I feel like to be always constantly having to do just the ten top ten top 20 songs that everybody wants to hear what you've course. It makes sense that they all want to hear when they come into Nashville and they want to hear the same zones and it's like it just breaks you I feel like it just makes you feel like you're not actually getting your singing for a living but you're not actually getting good to do so I came home we talked about this I think in the program that we did. It's like I came home one day had lost my voice again. And I'm like, I can't keep doing it this way. There's got to be another way. I went on Facebook. There was a go live button there. I started right away like as soon as Facebook came out with that. It was just the perfect moment and I just started like I clicked the button and I just started singing my songs. I put my phone up on a stack of books in the show. I was in and started singing my songs all the time when I wasn't like playing on Broadway and doing that stuff. So I just started singing my songs and in the very beginning I thought well, I'm playing for tips on Broadway. Why don't you just throw a tip jar appear? How do I do that? Well, I'd just grab a PayPal Link at the time. I'll just grab Fey Lake throw it up there and we'll see what happens and tell people it's a virtual tip jar because it's just like if you know if you like my music no pushing lit like hey, do you like my music just like on Broadway you could you could throw some love in a jar and it'd be awesome in to support my music and let me know you like my original stuff. So I started doing my original stuff and I started contacting and more and working on getting other big pages to share my videos and one making connections there. So you treat them like venues you went out and found other venues to play you had your own venue, which was your Facebook page. And now you said okay just like touring let me go find other venues to play and get in front of their audience because you can only grow your I mean I can only grow my page organically. So, you know, I can grow it keeping consistent and grow it but like why not get on yeah, why not get on a page that already has a million country music fans like that so much sense to me. So I just started doing that sending my videos sending my videos and all comes down to consistency and like we talked about like it will always come down to that because no matter what like if you are just consistent like say they don't like the first video you something. Well just send them another one like you just got a distant like that's and that's what I started doing and I started going on there every day going live us. Stay on there live I go live and my shack I go live in the shed. I go live everywhere. I could and just kept doing it until I was making enough doing that to stop playing Broadway and just continue to do that living out here in the middle of nowhere like out out in Tennessee out Milla nowhere and just do it as outside with you know, then I finally got a tripod I was outside with the tripod and just doing it and then it started to grow where people want to buy my albums and then I started making my own from the house and then I would just like right on the album sign. Name on the album and then from there people wanted more albums than this area, but I think you and this is where I think that that people miss it is that you went live every step of the way because I recall you go and live thanking him go and live when you were filling out the mailing addresses going live from the car on your way to the post office going live introducing people to the postmaster go and live with the people once they received your stuff. I mean to say you took him to every single step of the way and And it was interesting because when I first met Don I said if you don't mind me asking I said, what did you make last year because I had my own idea and she goes, you know, what I'll have to ask my accountant to find out she came back and it was it was seventy-four thousand something something something almost 75,000 bucks. I was like wow. Yeah, holy cow. And then the next year you went into over a hundred thousand and it just continues to grow and grow and it turns into all different stuff those like if we can just be consistent with that. That you think about like if I think about all my income comes really stems from me going live because if you think about it, every gig that gets booked every merch item that gets sold every album that gets downloaded every everything every tip jar hit everything comes from stemming from me just continuing to live and I we've talked about this. I've talked I told my friend so many times. What like why are you going live? Why are you not? Why are you going on? Probably still doing the same thing. We were do I go back there and I still the same. See the same and I love them but I see the same people there every single time I go by sickening. I just don't even down there but this is four years later and it's interesting because a lot of people aren't willing to get out of their comfort zone a lot of what Taylor Swift and I did together was we went and did things that we knew other artists wouldn't do we would go stand out and signed for three and a half hours because we knew the other artists didn't think that was cool or it wasn't something that they were willing to do. So she did it and that's what what's interesting with you in That this this internet folks it one. Okay. It's not going anywhere it one. It allows you. I mean when I sit there and I just took a screenshot a couple things from your Facebook page recently to show some folks to say look, you're telling me you can't go live once a month and I see a see here. She's gone like three times a day one day. She's playing songs one hour. She's playing songs couple hours later. She plays a couple songs and shows them a Christmas ornament. Flowers later she's playing a request that what people don't understand is if they go and click the link that that person paid fifty dollars to have that song sung as a gift to somebody else. It's like it just it drives me crazy that you can give them the step-by-step details, but at some point folks you've got to step up and do it. Now. Here's the thing most people like Dawn she goes out and she teaches it and if the teacher is still doing it, Shouldn't I tell you something, you know, it's some of these gurus that will but that's what's so cool about the online thing is it's not like you have to do the same. I mean you can re keep Reinventing but just be consistent like you see on my page. I do. You know now I kind of you know gone to where people actually go and make a request and pay the certain amount. Well, I didn't start that way I started with hey throw a dollar in the tip jar and what I mean, but like start reinvent, we just did a whole two months of tour where we only played in living rooms. We We only allow ourselves to play in living room. So that way people can't just go and see me at a bar or something right now during that tour. It was like you have to book me to come into your living room and sing for you and we took videos of it and we shared that with people in another people wanted to have me in their living room and just you can keep coming up with new and fun ways, but just be consistent and then it's like people online. I feel like they're just worried. You might not be there. You know what I mean? Like when they see me go live or something if they don't feel like I'm going to come back. Why would they want us? Courtney the there there maybe they're hanging out in the living room with her hanging out at work. Are they listening? That's a great point and it's like they want to know you're going to show up for them. And if they know that that's like they feel like they're your record label over there. You're like they feel like they're keeping you going on there well and what it's a couple bucks here and five bucks here then it turns into 20 bucks and it turns into a house concert. I mean you wouldn't they flew you to do weddings and like Mexico and stuff. I mean you've been all over the place morning. I mean, it's crazy. You're going we're in March England. I'm going to Ireland we're going to Paris all people have been listening to me that live in Ireland or living in there having me sing at their wedding or they're bringing me out too. I mean, it's just insane. We've been all over the place the mountain place. So I probably been 30. I was just like counting this up. I've been to like 30 places 30 different like 30 different flights here. They're just like in the past six months to this whole year has been crazy. It's been amazing. Now what what What made the shift for you? I mean, I think getting sick I think losing your voice kind of gave you a not everybody has that that's which you know, and I always tell people to I don't want to convince a whole bunch of people just to get in the way and do it for a week because and they just they make noise and they get in our way. I only want people who are willing to take this serious and consistently show up every day. What is it that you say to yourself? I'm sure you don't feel like singing every day either. No, I asked myself a question that I had tell everyone when they messaged me because I get messages asking me how did you do this what you're doing on Facebook and it's like I'm going to just throw it out here for you guys and tell you exactly what it was in the bit in the beginning. I asked myself a question that needed to be answered for me. What which was what is making it? Because you know how people come up to you and they're like, I hope you make it one day or you're a good singer. Why don't you really try to be a singer? I'm like I just sang for you. So I am singing the whole idea of like if you're good enough wiring on the radio if you're good enough wire. Making it well that always felt weird to me. And so for me it was asking myself. What what is making it for me? Not for everybody else. What is it for me? Do I really want to sell out Arenas? Do I really want to be on what do I want and and getting clear on what making it meant like for me for me. It means playing my own music smaller crowd so I can connect with them making a living having a personal life being able to have all of these things was what making it was for me and once I got clear on that I swear it's like doors just And opening for me because I was clear on what making it really was for myself. And a lot of people don't know that they just follow the dream. I I say, it's like the dream that will lose is it like they are maybe your parent or someone said this is what you know is making it is it really just depends on what it is for you. That's that's what I got clear on and that's what kind of changed everything for me. I want to talk about a couple of things that are very unique to you. Is that because you kept showing up also doing your original music. Yes, there were times that you did covers because May have been a first introduction to someone who just showed up to your life for the first time and then they got introduced to your original music. There was a time when you were holding a hosting online workshops teaching people how to play your songs. How did that feel? I mean, you just never know until someone signs up like I always like I try all new stuff all the time and I always say if one person buys it or one person does it one person that song makes one person feel something and it works then from there. I just, you know, the fact that people would sign. Sign up to learn my own songs. It was so cool. And all I did was just go live with them and show them me playing my me. So there's so many different Avenues. You didn't like yes. I'm a singer and I write songs and I play them on line. But I also am in coaching other artists now after doing our thing, and I'm also teaching guitar lessons and I'm doing songwriting stuff and just using every different avenue. Once you give me the platforms there and we talked about that. You know, we've talked about that is the platform is there and it's not going away. Like you said, it's like You can't just do it the old way what I call like the old Nashville. You can't just do it the old way and think that's it fell upon broadly sit on the stool and think that some record Executives going to go in there and and give you a record deal. Well tell us about your private group. Now that people are paying monthly to be in a group and how much you love on them in that group. So basically what it you know, and right now I'm doing a thing called daily dose December and just kind of basically showing up on my page every single day. Just with one song reason. I'm doing that. Because I'm kind of cutting back on playing really long shows on my page for that's just where I am right now because I kind of want to have one small group inside a private group where it's like a monthly subscription type thing and I just love on them. You know, like I go on there just rent hang out with them. I send them gifts. I mean, I just go on there and what we're just more connected and I'm able to because like, you know, when you get a lot of people watching your stuff, it's hard to respond. It's hard to even see the comments coming through, you know what I mean like and be able to really see Everything everybody's saying so the thing that people really like about the private group is that you might have 30 people in there and just put a limit on it like okay. I'm going to have 25 to 30 people and I'm just going to really respond to each of them each of them get to pick they get to pick set list. So I do like an hour show and they and let them pick a set list of 10 songs. Let them be part of that let them play lyric games and stuff giveaways and give them Special coupons for your website and it's just basically like kind of a Super Fan type. They were able to see that There's thousands of people watching you here, but you gave an opportunity for them to be a part of something exclusive with a higher tag on it. And those that are really true want to get out of the big group and move themselves over to a smaller group. Yeah, knowing that there can't be thousand people in there like right let that be a thing or just going to keep it at this and and for an artist like me I'm always looking for ways to have some type of income I Can Count On You know what? I mean? Like it's there's one thing to make really good money, but it's just kind of all it's you just have all these questions. Yeah. Having anything for it can be monthly like that. I feel that makes me feel comfortable. So for me another making it thing for me, it was like, okay, I want to have monthly things that I do that I would do it every month. You know what I mean? So that that makes that's good because then it pays whatever it pays maybe it pays your house payment her face, whatever it pays and that's awesome. And that's just one of the things that you're doing where can people find out more about you will link out to this. I want them to one be able to follow you and then to if if they're interested in learning Earning your system. I know that you have put together another program exclusive to you. I want to be able to send people to find out about that. So I did a whole video series a whole program on what we were talking about about getting clear on what it really means for you and kind of put together a list of questions to ask people like, okay. This is how we figure this out. This is how we get clear on what is making it for you. So the website that I have is called the real making it.com and in there, is that is that The real making it and then also making it on Facebook. So it's basically just a program of me just talking about how I made it on Facebook the real making it.com. All right, we will get them to that. Once again. I appreciate you those of you that don't follow her go follow her on Facebook coffee and country. That was crazy 9:00 a.m. It was like religiously. It's like maybe you're a morning person. Definitely. Talk to you too. My dear will chat soon. I hope you enjoyed this episode to the music industry blueprint podcast. Be sure to subscribe and tell a friend remember there is no one-size-fits-all model when it comes to the music industry. So check out my website Rick Barker.com take the quiz and I will send you information specific to you to help make sure that you are on the right track. You've been listening to the music industry blueprint podcast with Rick Barker you can Follow Rick on Twitter at Brick Barker music and remember you don't drown by falling into the water you drown by staying there.

On today’s episode of the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast, Rick talks with Dawn Beyer. Dawn is an independent singer/songwriter and online mentor. She started her career at Nashville and Broadway. But what makes her successful is when she starts singing live on Facebook. Discover how she make it big on Facebook and what motivates her to keep doing what she's doing. “Once I got clear on what it was making it real for me, doors just started opening for me.”-Dawn Beyer What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here! ***Want to be a guest on the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? *** Send an email to [email protected] With the following information: Name, website, social handles, questions you would like to ask Rick and contact information   Time Stamps: 1:57 - Dawn’s background as a singer/songwriter in Nashville and in Broadway 4:25 - How she started singing on Facebook live and make money out of it 5:40 - Growing her Facebook page connection, increasing her music influence and making albums 9:57 - The importance of consistently putting music online 11:10 - How she went to 30 different places because of her live music on Facebook 12:16 - Dawn’s mindset and how she motivates herself to keep singing live and doing what she’s doing 14:03 - Doing online workshop and giving guitar and songwriting lessons 15:08 - All about her exclusive Facebook group and the importance of having a consistent source of income Connect with Dawn: www.therealmakingit.com Facebook Connect with Rick: Facebook Instagram Youtube Twitter Soundcloud RickBarker.com Contact: [email protected] for a chance to be a guest on the MIB podcast show --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

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He is the recipient of the Silver Star two bronze Stars a purple heart and many other Awards. It is a huge honor for me to say Jason Gardner. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Hey, thanks for having me. Alec are let's start here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? I've got three kids. My oldest son is 23 years old and then I and he's from Previous marriage and then I've got an eight year old daughter and a seven-year-old son. Wow, okay, very cool. What type of us sports activities you got them into so all this boy played a lot of basketball and then we're really big into the outdoor. So horseback riding hunting and fishing and then my my daughter and my son's dormant or just kind of coming up into all that playing some basketball a little bit at school. And then, you know, we're getting them in anything that they're interested to do more kind of limited in the scope of SportsCenter available because we live in a real world area, but we definitely do horseback riding and camping fishing and then they they come along hunting they're going to start hunting next year. Wow. Yeah, that's very cool. All right, Jason here. Please take a minute just to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background and what you do? I am a retired seal master teeth. I did 30 years in the SEAL Teams. I've got nine deployments five of which were combat deployment spanning everything from the first Gulf War all the way up to Iraq take three basically from my career when I was there in 2016 and 17 for clearing a mosul from I solar - you know getting the Islamic State out of there and now I work for Echelon front Jocko and lafe wrote those books extreme ownership and dichotomy leadership and I go around speaking as a leadership Consultants to different organizations right now. And so that's what I'm doing since I've retired from the military. Yeah. Wow, what an incredible career you've had and thank you for your service. Of course. And how old were you when you first became a father Jason it had to becoming a dad kind of change your perspective on life. My son was like I was 25 when my son was born and you know when it changed your perspective because now you're just it's not just you right you're responsible for somebody else and that that's a huge responsibility as anybody as a father knows but it also comes with A huge amount of reward because I get to experience things vicariously through them. So, you know their first time doing anything is so exciting whereas doing, whatever it could be whether it's a, you know, reading a book or or their first time, you know going to an amusement park or anything which is just kind of gotten boring and old is I find that that I get to relive The Experience through their eyes, and it's That aspect of it is super rewarding and very well said and I've heard you on jacko's podcast are reading the you have the open letter to your door or which I thought was cool and Powerful at the same time there. What was the Genesis of you writing the letter and if you could share it with us? Okay. So basically I've been thinking for a lot. I've been thinking for a while about what my general philosophy was on raising my daughter as opposed to raising my son. and really I think we've kind of missed the mark sometimes in in general with how we raise little girls and you want to raise any kit and so the bottom line is I've come to the conclusion that there really shouldn't be much difference in how you raised your daughter and how you raise your your son's that your the end state is I want to raise a competent adult right and I want a raise. Competent adult that is not feeling a lot of Shame is happy and fulfilled, you know when I can go out there and function on their own and so in order to do that. There's a lot of things that that I need to step back from as a parent and let them fight those battles on their own and so here's here's what I came up with in. Basically. I've been thinking about it for a while and then in the parking lot of Costco. I'm like, hey, you know what? I want afternoon and I wrote it all down and here's what it is. But a promise to my daughter I will love you unconditionally always No matter what. I will not pamper you this will Forge a resilience that will help you conquer all of life's obstacles. I do not intend to raise a princess, but rather a warrior with fire in her heart and ice in her veins in my mind, there is nothing you can't do no job or goal beyond your reach. I will challenge you so that when you stand it so that you can stand confidently on your own two feet independent and strong. I will set the example on how to treat those you love so that when you choose a partner it will be someone who lifts you up and I will invest my time and energy in you so that when I am gone enough memories of me will be with you in your heart to keep forever Stand Tall with your shoulders back. This world is yours for the taking. I have a heart at the end and yeah, but go ahead. Yeah, I was gonna say I can't tell you how awesome that is for me. To here. I have four children myself. I had three boys and then got my girl on the fourth try and it has been just this the emotional part of the of the switch that has occurred here has been you know a little bit challenging for me to catch up with and and and we definitely need more philosophies like yours here on raising our daughters and I think that's very beneficial to everybody that gets a chance to hear it. Yeah, I mean so so what I was really what I'm hoping to do is Hey, I want to set a good example for her so that when she goes and has her own relationships, they'll be positive relationships and she's not going to tolerate anybody, you know, treating her with disrespecting or incorrectly or in a humble manner because that's the example that she's seen me lay out between me and my wife this at its core. This is about decentralized command where I'm getting. You know, I'm right. I'm stealing one of life and jacko's while the combat but I want her to make squared away decisions when I'm not around. I want her to be able to take care of herself. I want her to be able to change a tire. I want her to be able to change the oil if that's what she wants to do. And I don't want her to have to be dependent on anyone else and then that will set her up for success to be in in the best relationships or whatever. She wants to do moving forward as an Adult yeah, very well said and I and you speak about changing your time. I actually gave a class at the local library here for the teenagers that were getting their licenses on how to change because it's amazing to me how many of the young teenagers that are getting their license have no idea how to do basic car maintenance. So it's just little things like that and I think I speak about it quite a bit on the podcast. We have such a father list crisis in our country right now, and we see the devastating results in our society from children that are growing up with no father influence in their life. Right and and so to all those single mothers out there because guys aren't taking their responsibilities and stepping up and helping them out. Out you you can fill this role. Do you should learn how to change a tire and fill in that Gap because it can be done. It needs to be done because like you said the two parent household is becoming the exception and not the norm or we're trending in that direction and and raising kids is hard. It takes two people. Yeah, I couldn't agree more and I know that you helped so many people now you with the echelon front you helped. So many people in the business world to become leaders. Is it challenging for you to kind of differentiate a teaching leadership to civilians as opposed to it was the sailors and then completely switching that to Leading your kids. 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So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more also you can make money with no minimum. Listen to Ship its Thing you need to make a podcast in one place. What are you waiting for download the free anchor app today or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Yeah, I couldn't agree more and I know that you helped so many people now you're with the echelon front you helped. So many people in the business world to become leaders. Is it challenging for you to kind of differentiate a teaching leadership to civilians as opposed to it was the sailors and then completely switching that to Leading your kids. No, it's all the same thing. I recognize that parenting is just leadership and that actually helped me as a parent and then helped me when I was in the executive levels of leadership as a seal. You know, when I was a command master chief of Seal Team 5 or a command master chief of our training Detachment and I had this Epiphany and it was about seven years ago, and I'm like, this is I'm parenting and people are looking For me to some Mentor them really planting is nothing more than mentorship. So it's all the same. It's super rewarding to be out now talking in the civilian sector because usually when someone comes and asks me to speak they're really fired up about the message. Whereas when I was in the military, you know people weren't asking they just had to be in the class, you know, so there's a buy-in that's really exciting. And there's an aspect of American culture that I get to see that I think we're by the people I meet every day. I think we're doing just fine as a country that there's just so many good people out there that are working so hard and they have the right ideas and ideals that it's it's I I'm super appreciative of job I have and it's a lot of fun to do it. Yeah, and because of guys like you and a lot of the veterans that have become involved in this I'm very optimistic for our country here and the direction is going unfortunately. It doesn't seem to get a lot of the play and the air time on social media just because it doesn't it's not really quick bait when something good is happening. So that's another reason of me putting out the message of just celebrating fatherhood and family life and trying to give people the idea that it's something to a you know Embrace and not something to avoid your oh, you're absolutely right and this is why I quit lat In the news because fundamentally the the media gets ratings by putting out stuff that is inflammatory because we're hardwired genetically, bye-bye. To look at something. That's a threat. So when they say oh this this is going on or this crisis is going on then that's clickbait. You look at it. It gets them ratings then all they're doing is jamming you full of barium information and I just ignored it. I don't care anymore. Yeah, and I'm paying attention to what I see with my two eyes out there. Yeah. I got a chance to see it firsthand. I just recently I had a press pass from the White House for a full week. And I spent it with all the big media people. I was just it was really eye-opening to see behind the scenes. Is what takes place there, so and I never had any social. I never had any social media accounts before I started the podcast and it's just it's just vicious. It's just vicious to be honest with you. Yeah, it's one of those things that you just have to ignore it and move forward in a positive manner and that takes a lot of practice to be able to detach from that stuff. But I am optimistic for the direction our country is going I'm optimistic for our youth because the young men and women that I've I've seen serving overseas In Harm's Way with lousy pay under terrible conditions. Just working hard without complaining then I think we're good to go and it but I'll preface that with there's always room for improvement, right? We can always do better, but I think the direction that we're moving. I think we're good and it's not, you know, you have a podcast that talks about parenting. And there are several others like them and the ratings are great. And just the fact that there's not hunger for it out. There is a positive sign. Yeah, well said a hundred percent and all right. I know that 30 years is a Navy SEAL. I would only imagine that you're a very well disciplined individual. But how are you when it comes to being a disciplinarian as a father? He was factored time out guy. How do you kind of handle discipline? So not I'm not really a spanker I searched around for what? Is I think the most effective thing for the kids so for my daughter the timeout seems to work the best for my son a lecture seems to work and then I just kind of tailor it for what seems to be the to work and then consistency is is the key and I try to be consistent. I'm not consistent all the time, but that's that's basically what I'm shooting for because I know that they're almost testing their boundaries and if I The boundaries in the same place then they kind of understand them better and they don't they're not going to push against them as much so that the other thing I've been doing lately is trying not to yell at them because I don't want them to think that you know, hey screaming and yelling as a good option. So sometimes it's just necessary right? Sometimes we may get on the car and they run into traffic you got to yell at them or sometimes when you got to yell at them like case put your brother. Other down or put down the cap, but there's a lot of times when I'll holler at him and it's not necessary for me to holler at them. And I find that if I speak to him in this manner and I say something to him like, okay. Listen, what you're doing right now is not good and it is not going to result in anything that you're going to like and I'm not going to tolerate so I need you to tighten this up, you know? Yeah, definitely. It's definitely been an on-the-job training for me my older 13 and it's taken quite a while to kind of adapt and change my own philosophy of parenting and then separate all four of my kids respond differently to different styles of discipline. There's one kid at you should never do it. Again. There's another can you can spank them all day long and they going to stop them so they all day old respond if yeah. Yeah, and it's like that with leadership every individual requires a different style of leadership. And and so you just got to kind of search around and find out what's effective. All right. Well, what do you got coming up here? What type of goals and plans do you have for the future you're going to be involved with Jocko and lay for the next book that they're writing or what what kind of goals you got going on? I don't have any involvement in any books right now. My wife is getting ready to write or she has a book that's in the editing process. And basically I'm just doing the leadership Consulting thing and Doing some podcast appearances and just talking about some of these things that I think are important and they seem to be resonating with a lot of people so that's a great thing. Yeah, very cool. I one more thing. I'm going to hit you with your Jason. I love to ask all the dads that I get on the podcast. What type of advice do you have for that new dad or for that about the default who's out there listening? Get advice from other dads. So you're going into Uncharted Territory and you're going to need to talk to some other dads and figure out what's going on. And then you're you're also going to have to learn how to work together with Mom so that you guys are coming from this leadership portion on a United front and some hills aren't worth dying on. So if you have two big disagreement with Mom, it's better that you guys are in alignment and How you discipline and raise the kids then if you're doing different things and so check your ego open up those lines of communication and congratulations. There is no bigger gift that you can have than being a father. Yeah, very well said I love the message has been an honor for me. I got to say Jason Gardner, you're a first-class father and thank you so much for give me a few minutes of your time on First Class fatherhood. It was a real privilege for you to have me on thank God. Back to wrap things up here on First Class fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again to Jason Gardener for giving me a few minutes of his time here. That was such an honor. Please hit me up on Twitter guys or drop me that DM over on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode. I always love to read your feedback and that's it. That's going to do it for our first week back here on First Class fatherhood. I want to say thank you to all of you guys out there who have been listening a special. Thank you to all the guests this week including Sean Parnell Titus O'Neil. And over and of course today Jason Gardner next week got five bangers comin at you. Make sure you follow me over on Instagram at Alec on the score lace or at first glance fatherhood the check out all the upcoming guest announcements. Hope you guys enjoy your weekend. That's all I got for you guys this week. I'm Alec lace. You have been listening to First Class fatherhood. And please remember guys, we are not babysitters. 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Episode 235 Jason Gardner is a First Class Father and Retired Navy SEAL Command Master Chief. He is a combat veteran with almost three decades of service with the Navy SEALs. Jason has many awards including the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and a Purple Heart To name a few. He currently works along side Jocko Willink and Leif Babin as a leadership instructor for Echelon Front. In this episode, Jason reads an open letter to his daughter and discusses his parenting philosophy with regards to raising both girls and boys. He talks about leadership as a parent, the media’s influence on kids, how his disciplines his children and much more. First Class Fatherhood is sponsored by: MANSCAPED Save 20% + Free Shipping Visit - https://www.manscaped.com Promo Code - Father SeatGeek SAVE $20 OFF Tickets by Visiting seatgeek.com Use Promo Code: FIRSTCLASS First Class Fatherhood Merch - https://shop.spreadshirt.com/first-class-fatherhood-/we+are+not+babysitters-A5d09ea872051763ad613ec8e?productType=812&sellable=3017x1aBoNI8jJe83pw5-812-7&appearance=1 Visit my instagram - https://instagram.com/alec_lace?igshid=ebfecg0yvbap For information about becoming a Sponsor of First Class Fatherhood please hit me with an email: [email protected] --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Welcome to the steroid podcast if your book Dan the body builder from timing. Start the steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history. You have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information and lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime this information has been suppressed this long. Now, let's get on with the podcast. This question is from Lou on Instagram how to properly combat estrogen rebound from prolong AI or Nova decks use during extended cycles of 20 plus weeks. Okay. So the first thing is The length of the cycle has no effect on the rebound potential of the estrogen. So when you hear people talking about estrogen rebound what generally they're talking about is they stop taking their aromatase inhibitor and when they stopped taking the aromatase inhibitor, which is a tablet that you take to prevent estrogen effects. They have a A surge in estrogen. So what's happening here is the way that aromatase Inhibitors work is they work by attaching to the estrogen molecules and rendering them unable to attach to receptors in the body and exert their effects. So the aromatase Inhibitors neutralize the ability of the estrogen molecule to exert its effects on the body. So there are several different. Four types of estrogen blockers and there's one called a suicidal blocker and this one actually permanently deactivates and destroys the estrogen molecule and an example of a suicidal aromatase inhibitor and the most popular one to use would be eczema stain brand-name aromasin. So this one if you use this, there's no potential. For estrogen rebound because it destroys the estrogen molecule. So if you're using other ones though other estrogen blockers like Arimidex or letrozole or Nova decks these blockers do not destroy estrogen. What Nova decks does is it blocks estrogen in the nipples specifically and most potent Lee it? Doesn't really block estrogen from being able to exert its effects very well. In other tissues. It's very selective for the nipples. So it's very good for preventing Dino. That's the way that Nova decks works, but then is when you get to Arimidex or you get two letters all those two chemicals bind to the estrogen molecules in the blood and rendered the estrogen molecules unable to exert their effects in the body. So those drugs have a half-life of or an active life in the body of around Three days around three days four days Arimidex and letrozole and then they are excreted from your system. So what happens is that the letters all molecule or the Arimidex molecule will unbind from the estrogen molecule and the estrogen molecule will then be able to exert its effects on the tissues. So people can what they'll do is they'll stop taking their aromatase inhibitor their Jin tablets very suddenly and when they do this suddenly in this way, then the estrogen that was bound up to the Arimidex or the lectures all or being blocked from the Nova decks. You know, I don't think that we should include analytics in here because it's an extra Jin blocker. It's not an aromatase inhibitor or a it has a completely different mode of action. So we're not going to be talking about Nova decks here because it's talking about about estrogen rebound and talking about Nova decks wouldn't make sense. It just it doesn't make sense with its mechanism of action. So what we're going to be talking about is non-suicidal aromatase Inhibitors, like the popular ones are letrozole and Arimidex. Okay. So what happens is that if you stop taking these suddenly the estrogen that was bound up by those chemicals in your body it Unbinds from the aromatase inhibitor and becomes able to exert its effects again in your body. So the way that you can prevent estrogen rebound from happening is not to suddenly stop taking your aromatase Inhibitors. Okay, if you're going to stop taking them you don't just stop taking them on the last day of your cycle and then never take them again. Okay, what you do is you've got to slowly taper them off. So estrogen. Rebound isn't something that is, you know a big deal with experienced users, you know, no experienced user really experiences estrogen rebound because they just wouldn't do something like suddenly stopping taking their aromatase inhibitor. Okay, if you are looking to slowly, you know that estrogen that is in your body. It also has an active life and it has something called a half life, which is the amount of Time that it takes the molecule to be metabolized to half of its peak concentration in the bloodstream. Okay. That's what Half-Life means which means half of its peak blood levels be destroyed and then it goes on and on from there until it's out of your system completely and the way that you would prevent any estrogen rebound from happening would be That you would take those aromatase Inhibitors like Aroma decks and letrozole and then you would slowly taper them off. You don't just stop it immediately. Okay. So if you're on a cycle and you're done with your cycle, it's the last day of your cycle. Don't just stop taking the you know, like say for example, you were taking D ball and you were taking Arimidex to block estrogen. Okay. So now if you just stop taking the Arimidex and the D ball on the same day, you may have some estrogen rebound. when the estrogen created from the D ball that was being bound up and unable to exert its effects in your blood and in your body by the Arimidex or letrozole once that lectures all over midex is then metabolized and gone from bloodstream, you know, it can detach from those estrogen molecules that were created from the D ball and then the estrogen can be free in your blood again to exert its effects. So basically what you do is instead of just stopping the like for example D ball and Arimidex on the same day what you'd do is you'd stop the the D ball and then you would taper down the Arimidex. So say you were taking the ball. You know, you're taking the D ball and then you're taking the Arimidex at 1 milligram per day every day or something. Okay. Now, you know for the next week take half that amount and then you can stop taking the Arimidex. Okay, and that will prevent any estrogen rebound from happening but really estrogen rebound isn't really a thing that's kind of more of something that's talked about on the internet rather than something that's really experienced in real life. As far as estrogen, you know, estrogen side effects. They don't just come up overnight and they're not like something that just kind of like bite you in the ass overnight where you have no time to react. Okay, you always have time to react to estrogen side effects. So the way that they start presenting themselves with generally be in a enlarged prostate where you were having trouble peeing or when you did P the P stream was Weak or itchy burning nipples. Okay, and when you notice effects like that, you need to take your anti estrogen tablets. Okay, and if you don't if you notice those effects and you don't take any anti-estrogen tablet and something like 48 Hours goes by well, then you're going to be running into permanent side effects. Okay, like breast formation breast tissue formation of enlargement of glands underneath your nipples, okay? So it takes about 40 48 hours though for those initial symptoms, you know, you may wake up one day with itchy burning nipples, right? So that's the initial onset of estrogen symptoms. But you have until those become permanent you have about 48 hours to react. Okay, so it's not like you're going to wake up one morning and you're going to have tissue guy. No that wasn't there. For that's not the way it works. You have some time to react. Okay. So estrogen rebound, you're not really going to experience that that's kind of an internet thing that people talk about on the Internet. It's not something that happens in real life much and basically the rule with the aromatase Inhibitors and to a sturgeon tablets is when you experience the symptoms of having elevated estrogen levels, Take the tablet and within one to two hours those symptoms will go away. Okay, somchai asks a question. Obviously from Thailand. Hey, bro, would these Subs be enough for health during tests only cycle Knack, which is a liver supplement B3 niacin course. I have omegas and vitamins Etc also, but would I need some liver Support also? Okay. Well the thing here's some chili is that you are doing a testosterone only cycle and that means that you're using injections. So injectable testosterone does not stress the liver. The reason why oral steroids do stress the liver is because they have to contain a model in Alteration in modification to the steroid hormone molecule called 17 Alpha. Okay, because everything that you put in your mouth any kind of chemical has to be processed by the liver, which is a metabolizer a the liver contains enzymes that metabolize or break down and Destroy things. Okay. So because if you take something through your mouth that's going to have to go through your liver if you just took something like testosterone it would Be destroyed by your liver. Okay, and so the way around this is adding this chemical modification to the hormone called molecule called a 17 Alpha alkylation. And what that does is it strengthens the hormone and makes it be able to go through the liver without being broken down and destroyed and it does it very very effectively so that you know if you took a hormone through your mouth And it didn't have a you know, if you took like raw testosterone through your mouth by the time if you took a hundred milligrams, you may only get one milligram of that, you know in your bloodstream the other 99 milligrams would be destroyed by your liver. But if you use something with you know, if you used methyl testosterone, which is testosterone with a 17 Alpha alkylation modification added to it, it would not be broken down and you'd get about ninety percent of that or more of those of the milligrams that you took in your blood on destroyed by your liver. So since you are using injectable testosterone, you are bypassing this whole mechanism and your liver will not be stressed from taking injectable testosterone. Now, you didn't tell me how many milligrams you're going to be taking for the test cycle. Okay, but Generally testosterone injectable testosterone with nothing else with no other steroid hormones included is one of the best cycles for your health that you can do because testosterone is a bioidentical hormone and it's made for human bodies. The rest of the steroids are hormones that are based off of testosterone or progesterone or estrogen and then they have education's that were done by scientists in a lab. And so they are not natural to our human bodies. And that's the main reason why they have a pretty potent Health side effects. So the main thing actually with testosterone that could hurt your health is having elevated estrogen levels because estrogen is carcinogen causes cancer. It also can it has a lot of you know acne effects it can blow up your prostate has a lot of bad effects in the mail and even in the female, you know gives them cancer. Main thing on the testosterone only cycle is that you want to make sure that you keep your estrogen levels in range and you don't want to do this by taking an estrogen blocker? Okay, estrogen blockers prevent you from experiencing estrogen symptoms, but they don't actually destroy the estrogen molecule or render it ineffective or unable to exert its effects in your body. So what you want to going to want to do is take a room at X letrozole or eggs and mess tin. What you can do is you can take your blood work and see if a certain dosage of those chemicals such as two or three tablets per week keeps your estrogen in range or another way that you could do it is you could take those tablets whenever you feel estrogenic symptoms and those symptoms will then resolved within one to two hours. But as far as support supplements, you don't really need any support supplements for a testosterone. Only cycle absolutely taking omegas and vitamins is good, you know, you can take the other supplements that you mentioned as well. But you know, the thing that is going to be the most hard on your health, you know, that could elevate your blood pressure or something like that is going to be high estrogen levels. Again, that is the most you know, that's the danger. That's the unhealthy part of using testosterone. And because the high estrogen levels are also going to cause you water retention and the water retention is going to cause your blood pressure to rise. Okay. So as far as you worrying about your health with your testosterone only cycle. Yeah, I think it's a good idea to take those vitamins to live a healthy lifestyle where you do cardio where you do weightlifting where you eat a Clean Diet that's free from you know, garbage unhealthy foods and then You know keep your estrogen and range and you should be good. Okay, Harvey asks, I bought and rocks on oral yesterday, but not use that yet. What do you think? And so one and rocks on is it's a tablet or a gel capsule of testosterone on Deck annoyed. So this goes back to what I was talking about about having a 17 Alpha alkylation to make oral steroids not be destroyed by the liver. And that's the reason why oral steroids. It's one of the reasons why they're different than injectable is because they have to pass the liver so and Roxton what it is is It's a non 17 Alpha alkylated steroid that is supposed to be used orally. So the problem with this stuff is is that it gets destroyed when you put it in your mouth your liver destroys it because it doesn't contain in 17 of alkylation. It's only going to give you very very modest increases in testosterone and it's mainly used and prescribed for Old Men because the fact that by the time that that testosterone on Deck Gonna wait which it does not have that 17 Alpha alkylation on it gets through your liver. It's pretty much completely destroyed. So, you know, you may get you know, a maximum of 10% of the ingested dose actually active in available in your bloodstream. The rest will be destroyed on its way there. So, you know as far as testosterone tablets, you know, anything like and Oxen or there's another type of testosterone tablets whenever you see that a lot of times it's going to be testosterone on Deck annoyed and you don't really doesn't work good injecting testosterone on deck in a way works really well because then it doesn't have to go through your liver but for tablets it works terribly. It's very very poor not effective. So What? Yeah, it's it's not effective. The only as far as tablets go the only testosterone that is effective is methyl testosterone. Okay, because it does contain the 17 alkylation that allows it to survive the liver another option because you know, a lot of times people say that you know, their oral only cycle socked or gave them like sexual side. So that's mainly because of estrogen and if you don't have estrogen at all zero your sex drive will be destroyed. So if you take an oral only that is good at building muscle and also produces estrogen like d-ball that would be another option for someone that does not want to do an injection, but they want to get the effects and the gains of testosterone from taking tablets. They could take 10 to 15 milligrams of the attendee on meth and roastin alone Dianabol. Those are all different names for the same thing. They could take that daily and they would get muscle gaining effects from that and they would also have you know, they wouldn't have their sex drive be destroyed. Okay Pat asks, which do you prefer with tea or tea metformin or yohimbine? Well, this really has to do with If your goal and he also let me know that he wants to lose fat especially around his belly and chest. That's the main reason why he's wanting to use metformin or yohimbine along with his trt. So metformin is a insulin sensitizing drug, it helps people with diabetes not have diabetes and the way it sensitizes you to insulin. It is it makes your muscle cells not your fat cells more sensitive to insulin which means that the carbohydrates you eat are heavily pushed towards going into your muscle cells and it's easier for them to get into your muscle cells. And at the same time. It's not easier for them to get into your fat cells. Okay, and it also does things like reducing the absorption of the carbohydrates that you eat and the fats that you eat by thirty percent. So You eat the same amount of food, but less actual energy gets into your bloodstream. It also gives you diarrhea for the first two weeks that you take it and then that goes away so metformin is pretty effective for weight loss and that initial first two weeks that you take it and you have diarrhea. Well, you're not really going to be absorbing much of your food. So you're going to be losing weight because your body isn't going to be in taking much energy from the food that you eat. So it is very effective for weight loss, but it Be taken without testosterone because it reduces natural testosterone by sixty percent. So it's a good thing that you're taking testosterone with the foreman Pat because you won't have any problems with metformin reducing your testosterone levels, since you are replacing your testosterone with injections. Okay, so then he went on to ask. Can I still use yohimbine for weekend early cardio or Just stick with metformin and the answer to that is yeah. Absolutely. You can still use your him Bond so, you know him by and is more of a stimulant and Metformin works. Like I said on a totally different mode of action, it works on a mode of action with your digestive system. Whereas yohimbine works by stimulating your body and causing your fat cells to reduce or two. Put triglycerides into the bloodstream for your muscles to use for energy. So you'll him bind kind of puts you into a fight or flight response when you begin taking it and the way that that works is that about 10 to 15 minutes after taking the yohimbine tablets and you know, if if you're using though you him bond for fat loss. You should take a minimum of 10 milligrams per dosage and it must be taken on an empty stomach for fat loss because there can be no insulin present in the blood or It cannot function the way it's supposed to. Okay, so that your him by must be taken on an empty stomach in order to burn fat and when you do that, it's very effective. And it also will blunt your appetite about 10 to 15 minutes after you start taking the yohimbine you will start to shake you'll get the shakes and you also have some chills your blood pressure drops a bit because it's a vasodilator which means that it makes your blood flow more easily. Ali by relaxing your veins and arteries and yeah, it's very effective for cardio. So you'll him Bine since you know, I think that the reason why you were asking, you know is okay to stack the yellow hen bind with the metformin is because if you're doing something like taking caffeine and taking yohimbine at the same time, which are two stimulants that might be a bit much and you might get some anxiety from doing that but stacking the Your him bind in the metformin they're not going to it's not going to bother you because the metformin isn't a stimulant. So the yohimbine works on a totally different mode of action. So that's fine. That's totally fine to do that stacking with the metformin. And yeah, the yohimbine is very effective for fat loss the way that you should use it is you should take the tablets take at least 10 milligrams, but you know 20 milligrams is the dose that really is potent for fat loss, but Ten milligrams is the minimum dose. Okay for fat loss and you take this on an empty stomach. It's best to take it when you first wake up. First thing that you do is you take the yohimbine 10 to 15 minutes later. You start to shake and get the chills, which is your body going into a fight or flight response in response to the yohimbine, which means that your fat cells start really releasing their stored triglyceride energies into the bloodstream and then you want to go for a walk to burn up those triglycerides that are then Glycerides are fat molecules that are floating around in your blood stream so that they don't get reabsorbed into your body. So go for a walk for 30 to 45 minutes and after you start to notice the the shaking and chills from the yohimbine go for that walk burn up those fat molecules that the yohimbine is released into your bloodstream and yeah burn fat like that. It's great. It's great. You take it on an empty stomach and you do cardio with the yohimbine and it is incredible fat burner. It is roughly 50% as effective as clenbuterol for burning fat roughly guys. That is a that is an estimate. Okay, roughly Matt asks, is there any real way to fully mitigate against testicular atrophy or is it inevitable? Okay. He also asks can they re grow once they've shrunk your testicles your balls and the answer is yes, so I had shrunk testicles for quite a long time of my steroid use and then eventually I got sick of that. Okay. I got sick of it because it's not why I signed up to do this. Okay. I don't like I can't and I don't want it. So I did what was necessary to stop that from happening which was taking HCG year round. So HCG human chorionic gonadotropin is it's very similar to the chemical luteinizing hormone that your pituitary gland releases. To cause your testicles to function and produce testosterone and sperm. So what you can do is you can take HCG and it causes your body to believe that the signal from your pituitary gland that causes your testicles to function is happening when it's not because when you take steroids the the signal from the signal to cause your testicles to function stops, okay, and so what? Happens is that when your testicles don't have any signal signal to function anymore? They stop producing testosterone and they stop producing sperm and what they do is they shrink because they're not being used. Okay, and the shrinking is not actually that they're being destroyed. It's not like, you know, they're shrinking because parts of them are being destroyed. That's not the way it is. It's actually they're just going into hibernation because they're not working anymore. So as soon as they have that signal again, To to work then they go back to full size. They start producing testosterone and they start producing sperm again. So once you start taking HCG, you can still have a functioning testicles producing sperm and producing testosterone while using steroids at the same time. And this is why I started taking 500. I you of HCG year-round because I didn't want to have Small shrunken testicles that were dysfunctioning not functioning anymore. So I started doing that and ever since I started taking 500 IU of HCG year round. My testicles have been natural normal size again, even though I still use steroids. So that was a good decision and I like doing it Matt had another question. How long should a kick in period be if I use six weeks of d-ball oral cycle. So he's talking about di Bao only. I am eighty three kilograms 14-inch percent body fat right now. How much weight should I expect again? Okay. Well, you gotta let me know how many milligrams of d-ball you're expecting to use. If you're using a default only cycle. I'm guessing that you're probably planning like 25 or 30 milligrams per day. And yeah, you're going to make gains on that. So the thing with with roids dude is that They work really good when they're in your blood, but when they're not in their blood and your body has no reason to really like maintain the gains of the steroids. So you start slowly reverting back over time. You can't take steroids and then expect to keep the gains from taking the steroids in definitely the same way that you can't go to the gym and work out and then stop working out and then expect to keep the gains that you made from working out. Okay. So with the with the steroids one of the reasons why a lot of people do what's called blasting and cruising where you do a high dosage steroids to gain muscle and then you just take a low dosage of testosterone to maintain the muscle is to make it so the muscle that you built while you were on cycle doesn't go away when you're off cycle. So people will take a small dosage of testosterone year-round or most of the time during the year. In order to do that, you're a beginner though, and I know that that's not what you want to do. But so let's go. Let's go into your your question. How long should a kick in period be if you were to use six weeks of d-ball oral, you know, it's only going to take a few days D ball. You see the effects on your body and notice the effects in the gym after two to three to a maximum of Ford five days the onset. He's very quick and you get a cosmetic effect from having the hormone that chemical in your bloodstream and the Cosmetic effect fills your muscles up with a lot of water and fuel storage. And so you look much bigger and more muscular only days after taking after you begin taking the tablets. It's not actually muscle tissue that you gained. It's just fuel storage inside of your muscles that you gained but you will within something like five for five days. you begin taking those tablets, you will appear as if you put on five pounds of solid muscle because of those storage factors those energy storage factors that are going to be inside your muscles and the main thing the main thing with making the gains that are going to be the muscle tissue because people say things like, you know, I pissed out my gains after the Debo cycle what they're talking about is those after they stopped Taking the d-ball, you know, the body has no if they have no chemical in their bloody more than their body has no reason to hang on to those storage factors the extra water and the extra carbohydrate glycogen fuel storage that's in your muscles making them look so much bigger. So they didn't actually gain muscle tissue. They just gained the Cosmetic effects of taking the drug and that's what they mean by I pissed out my gains after I stopped taking the D ball. The way to make tissue gains where it's actual fiber muscle tissue is to increase the weights that you're lifting in the gym and the number of reps that you're lifting those weights for. Okay, increasing your strength and the amount of reps that you can do weightlifting for is what creates muscle fiber tissue. That doesn't go away. Okay, so if you started out lifting Let's say you were lifting 80 pound dumbbells for the the bench press you're doing a you're doing 80 pounds in each hand for the bench, press at the beginning of your cycle. You would want to make sure that you know, six weeks later you were early using you know, 95 pound dumbbells in each hand for the same amount of reps. And then you will have guaranteed that you built up actual muscle fiber and not just muscle fuel storage. Okay, and then when you came Of the cycle you would notice increase in the size of your muscle fibers and that would stick around for several months until you know, if you decided to be natural for a long time, you know, you would eventually revert you would lose the gains and revert back to more of a natural body. You may you may retain a couple pounds of muscle from the cycle, but not too much so The main thing with the the steroids again is if you want to look like you're on steroids and have steroid muscle gains. Then you pretty much got to have the steroids in your blood or else your body will be going back towards, you know, slowly over time going back towards what you looked like naturally and that's what happens to everyone when they go off cycle is they maintain the gains but slowly over time the gains go away and they go back to looking like a natural person. Not on steroids because that is the case. They are not on steroids. It's the same as if you worked out in the gym and then stopped working out your body doesn't keep the gains from working out slowly over time. You lose those gains. If you don't keep doing what you did to get the gains in the first place and that's the case with the with the steroids and with the D ball. Okay muscle trust asks, yo is 10 milligrams d-ball everyday safe from toxicity. I have a friend who claims it is. What do you think? Well, my answer to this is that in the 60s and in the 50s when meth and roastin alone matignon Dianabol, those are all names for it was invented there were doctors that were prescribing it for hormone replacement. RP and so that means testosterone replacement therapy they were using that instead of injectable testosterone to give men that needed hormones their hormones. Okay, and what they were doing was their prescribing 10 to 15 milligrams of DNA ball per day and you asked is 10 milligrams safe from toxicity and you know, it could give you some toxicity over time, but it would take a long time it would take months on end before. For you would notice any negative toxic type of side effects from doing that. However, if you were taking something like 50 milligrams, you could notice signs of toxicity such as tiredness and on no appetite and a bad mood just generally feeling like totally dog shit. If you were taking, you know, 50 milligrams those could begin as far as Like four or five weeks after taking it, okay, but at a dose of 10 to 15 milligrams per day, you will not be feeling those kinds of effects for unless you have some kind of pre-existing health issue. You won't be feeling toxicity effects for you know months, you know, I wouldn't think that there would be a problem and doing that. You know, you may never feel any toxicity effects, but you might The only way to really deal with that or to know for sure would be taking your blood work while you were doing it. But in general, you know, like I said this has this protocol that you're talking about has been prescribed by doctors in the past, you know to be on that long-term and definitely taking 10 to 15 milligrams. Deanna ball per day for hormone replacement therapy and not cycling it. This is something that has been prescribed by doctors in the past. So there you have your answer Synthol deadlift asks, have you noticed any physical non muscle growth on HGH like larger hands increase in high Etc. And yeah, I have used pharmaceutical grade growth hormone for you know a year straight. I'm not on it now that was back from in 2017 and 2018 used Nordy tropen from 4 to 6 I use per day for For one year and you know, I didn't notice any head growth or any hand growth or any foot growth. Yeah. I didn't I didn't notice anything like that. I did notice massive muscle growth and quality and increase in separation. And to some extent those effects have stayed with me since using that but you know, I really think that you need to be taking around 10. I use per day to start getting these effects that are like acromegaly like effects, you know, four to five I use per day of growth hormone is actually what teenagers are producing during there. During their high growth years when they're when they're growing the fastest when their bones are growing the fastest. So it's not really an acronym eglee type dosage. It's when you are going 10, I use an above that's when those negative side effects start to happen and the Tapout point for muscle gains really where the effects you know, their whether the best like the you know, the As to fact with the least risk on growth hormone is really around like 6, I use per day a pharmaceutical grade growth hormone. That's when you take more. Yeah, it gives you better gains it gives you better fat loss but not in the same way. It doesn't do it that much better. You know, it does it better but it doesn't do it like boatloads better. And that's also when you start getting side effects from having, you know, really high growth hormone igf-1 levels. Like your feet growing your hands growing your head growing things like that. And a lot of people do take, you know, ten I use or more, you know one vial of growth hormone is usually 10 I use and so taking one Viola day is not too uncommon for bodybuilders who are really big or bodybuilders who are really serious about what they're doing bodybuilders take To 100 I use of growth hormone per day. It's very very foolish and that's guaranteed to give you acromegaly. If you do something like that, but bodybuilders experimenting from anywhere from 10 to 30 or 40. I use per day of growth hormone is not unheard of by any means. It's actually pretty common if you talk to enough people who are bodybuilders, you will find ones who have Experimented with and done stuff like that. And you know, it's those kind of dosages where you have more igf-1 than is necessary, you know way more than combined to the, you know muscle tissue cell that you've broken down in the gym to help repair it if you've got way more igf-1 in your blood then whatever, you know, you need to help prepare your muscles from your workout and produce more muscle cells. Well, then that's The spill over to other body tissues. So bone organs, you know gut growth feed growth had growth and growth stuff like that. So that's from taking excessive dosages. But if you stay in the area of to I use for I use five I use generally unless you are for some reason very genetically susceptible. You're not going to be having a lot of acromegaly. a type of growth hormone effects Okay vintage black ass. All right, I'm 21 and I want to hop on steroids. I'm wondering if a hundred fifty milligrams test an end date weekly year-round combined with two blasts one of around 250 to 350 milligrams test an ant they alone and another with 40 40 to 50 milligrams and of our and 250 to 500 milligrams test in the winter would be fun. All right. Well, the first thing is that whenever you're taking gear you are going to be risking some of your health a little bit. Are you going to be risking it very much, especially with the cycle that you said that you're going to do know you're not going to be risking your health very much. That's very, you know compared to what you could be doing. That's very safe. And as far as like your blood blood markers and everything to the cycle that you cycles that You list it off and your plan is a very conservative plan. And if you got blood work done while you're doing that it isn't going to look terrible it, you know, it's going to look. Okay. So a lot of guys they want confirmation they want someone else to tell them what what you're doing is okay, but really the only one who can really tell you like whether what you're doing is okay or not is you if you look for other people to tell you that confirmation. Ian of whether your cycle is okay or not. You got to maintain that that that the responsibility for what you're doing is you you're deciding to do this you're making this decision to use steroids and you know, there could there probably will not be Health consequences to the plan that you have at least very significant Health consequences, you know, if any but you know, it is still you making that decision to expose yourself to Risk. So when you ask a would it be fine? I just want to let you know that everybody who does this needs to make sure that they are fully aware and responsible for what they're doing making that decision and being confident confident and comfortable with the decision that they made to use steroids. No one else can make that decision for you as far as your gains on those Cycles. I I like the idea of doing testosterone and eight weekly at 150 milligrams year-round with those two conservative blasts. If you do 250 to 350 milligrams test an ante that's not a blast. I know that you called that your blast but the gains that you're going to make on that are going to be very very conservative. So, I mean, you won't notice a huge difference from the 150 milligrams testosterone going up to 250 milligrams testosterone. You're going to need more like yeah 500 milligrams to really like notice a difference. Like you will grow very very slowly on the 250 350 milligrams test alone and 150 milligrams per week. You won't really gain anything more than what you would naturally so then 250 to 350 milligrams would be that threshold where now you can start to gain more than you could naturally and then the 150 milligrams. Yeah, I would just be maintaining what you built when you're doing the more but you're not going to get any. And of explosive gains or really radical size gains off of 250 to 350 milligrams test. He only per week. It's going to be that this would be something that you'd you know need to be doing long-term this kind of Lifestyle with the hormones, you know, basically over years and you would slowly build up a you know, really incredible physique maintaining this kind of a protocol over months and years. And the 40 to 50 milligrams and of our with the 250 to 500 milligrams test would be a lot better. So as far as making some kind of explosive muscle gains and having you know Explosive Performance in the gym where your performance your weight lifting your strength the amount of reps that you could do would be going up a lot. This would help a lot. So the magic combination for explosive gains. Bodybuilding is the combination of testosterone with anabolics. So they these anabolics is generally what we refer to when we talk about hormones that aren't natural to your body like an of our for example oxandrolone. It's not natural to your body and it is anabolic. It's very tissue building when combined with testosterone. It's not very good tissue building when it's alone and really neither is testosterone. It kind of gets activated when you When you have the put the anabolic with it, so, you know testosterone is very synergistic with every other steroid other steroids. That aren't testosterone don't work. Very good if testosterone isn't with them and then testosterone doesn't really, you know, explosively really build a lot of muscle and get you that look that you see that looks really unnatural and really shapely and separated and stuff without adding the anabolic so, you know steroids are very Stick with each other and combining testosterone with a non-natural steroid such as in of our like you're suggesting it's going to be something that's going to get you a lot more Explosive Performance enhancement and of our is very performance-enhancing, it increases your strength and increases your stamina and the gym and increases the weights that you can lift and it doesn't quickly. Okay. So as far as you taking, you know for pharmaceutical grade and of our and of our that is dose correctly. 40 to 50 milligrams is the minimum effective dosage and it is a it's an effective dosage though. It's a dosage that I would personally use and it's going to it's going to cause strength build up and that's what you're going to want to do is basically use that anavar and the strength build up that you're going to get to then push the weights up in the gym, you know, if you started, you know at the beginning of 10 weeks lifting to for 10 reps on bench press you would want to be you know, Ten Weeks Later lifting 275 four or eight weeks later lifting 275 for 10 reps on bench press and then that's you know, having that testosterone in their is going to help you keep on to the muscle and strength that you built combining the testosterone with an of are there going to be synergistic and of ours going to help you push up your strength quicker the testosterones going to help you hold onto the muscle tissue more so So I like the idea that you have I like the conservative approach that you're doing. It. Looks like you're looking to do this as a lifestyle type thing using hormones as a lifestyle and generally guys who feel like that are generally the guys who are the most dedicated and they're the most willing to do what is necessary to get the body. They want it's really important when you are using steroids to remember that living the bodybuilding lifestyle at the same time is very important a lot of times. People get sidetracked because you know of thinking how powerful steroids are and they are very powerful but you're not going to get the dream body that you want. Unless you lived the bodybuilding lifestyle and take steroids. Okay. So the dream body that you're looking for is going to take diet training and steroids all mix together all at the same time. Okay. So with your approach with the low dosage of anavar and testosterone and then combining those supplements. It's those performance enhancing drugs with living the bodybuilding lifestyle doing your training and your diet and taking those at the same time. That's going to help you reach your dream body. He asks also high red blood cell count. Is that a problem and what I have to donate blood so yeah. Hi blood cell. Hi red blood cells is one of the main effects of taking any male hormones is they make more red blood cells. So some people say, oh you don't want to donate blood because you don't want to get rid of those red blood cells. Because the more red blood cells you have in your blood the more oxygen transport you have so you are going to be able to get more oxygen and nutrition via those red blood cells to your muscles and work out harder and shit like that. So there's health effects to that though and the the amount of red blood cells that you have in your blood if it's a higher number, it's called your hematocrit. That means that Our volume there's more red blood cells in your blood. So if you had one liter of water and you stuck a thousand red blood cells in the 1 liter of water, you have a certain concentration of red blood cells. And now that you've put into this one liter of water. Well now when you increase that number of red blood cells mm red blood cells in the 1 liter of water. Well now you have just made that water thicker. Okay, and that's what you know raising your he A crit on steroids is doing is you have a set amount of blood but then when you raise the red blood cell count work your hematocrit level then you're putting more red blood cells into that same volume of blood that you have. So your blood becomes thicker, which makes your heart have to work harder in order to push it around. This is a strain on your system. It's not healthy and is it, you know, it's something you should take care of and you know, all bodybuilders should be, you know donating blood around. And you know for four to eight times a year you should you should do that is is it a it's a smart thing to do, you know, is it going to acutely kill you? If you don't do that and you know for one cycle and then you know, you don't give blood and is that going to end up in you having a heart attack and dying, you know the chances of that happening are so ridiculously slim. It's not even worth mentioning. No, it's a ridiculous thing. So I'm not a doctor but you know, that's not something that regularly happens. But this is one of those things where you know, the thing with steroids and health effects is cumulative damage and that's what you have to watch out for is cumulative damage. So if you're always running steroids and you've always got you know high red blood cell count high hematocrit and your heart and your cardiovascular system is always having to work extra hard to push that thicker blood around. Well, you know now you do that and you do that for years Jean end you know months on end or you know half the time throughout the year, you know, you're having that kind of thing happens. Well that kind of stress and that kind of workload is going to lead to damage and fatigue on your organs and tissues. So it's not something that's good to have going on, you know all the time. So a body builder who uses steroids often and never gives blood is compromising some of his cardiovascular health because he's putting an unnatural strain. His cardiovascular system in his heart. So that would be something that you know, people say and a lot of athletes they actually want more blood red blood cells. They'll even go train at high altitudes to get more red blood cells and that's because it is performance-enhancing. So yeah, it is more performance-enhancing to have a red blood a high red blood cell count. I hiking out of court level but is that healthy to have all the time? No, absolutely not so it's going to be Up to you to decide how you want to balance that. And since you are a pretty moderate guy in general, I would say that for you and your situation. It seems like donating blood every two or three months would be something that would be good for you and it would be something that you would want to do. I'll tell you one thing is that if you have overly Redskin if you're Seeing pink skin one of the causes of that is high blood pressure. And then the other cause is high hematocrit level. It's because you have a lot of oxygen in your blood. So if you look at round at the gym at really big guys, a lot of them will have kind of a pinkish tint or a reddish tint to their skin and that's a highly oxygenated blood. And so if you want your normal skin color to come back giving blood will help with that, too. Bake your skin color go back to the way it was when you weren't using steroids to reduce that pinkish or red tint to your skin that you see a lot of steroid users have they need to give blood that means they have really high hematocrit levels. All right, mr. To shiny asks, what would you recommend for powerlifter take for a cycle in order to gain as much strength as possible over 12 week period of weight gain was an issue plus if weight gain was an issue for their weight class. Okay, so the steroids that Do not increase your body weight much meaning that they don't increase a lot of fuel storage and water retention. One of them would be definitely anavar. Another would be Winstrol and Winstrol is stronger than anavar in everything that it does. So Winstrol combined with testosterone high dosage testosterone is a very effective strength drug stack. Length combination and and it doesn't increase your weight at all. Unless you're eating to make it increase your weight something like Dianabol. Also, you know is very good for increasing strength. Everyone knows that same thing with super draw same thing with Anna draw, but all those drugs increase your body weight, but out of Anna draw Super Draw and Dianabol and a draw would probably increase your weight the least but then you know you have Drugs, like like Winstrol and and of our that aren't going to increase your weight at all. And you know, the fact is is that when it comes to strength orals really oral steroids really seemed to shine in that category the only injectable that's really going to give you an acute increase in strength the way that some of these orals do is trembling in and yeah, it is going to increase your strength a lot. So if somebody wants to Be strong. Somebody wants to be lean, you know have a good power to body weight ratio, you know Trend alone is you know, the strongest chemical for that it you know, it's the strongest chemical for bodybuilding powerlifting really, you know, physique and performance enhancement, you know, it's very very strong and powerful and it does the things you want like not increasing body weight much unless you eat for that while increasing strength power and performance in the gym and being an injectable. It's very uncomfortable to take tremble on those. So we're always looking for ways to not take Trend blown and still get some of the good effects that it you know, that somebody would want to take trembling for so as far as that goes. Yeah Winstrol and anavar for strength without weight gain. Those are going to be the top ones and then and then Anna draw after that it is going to increase your weight, but not as much as something like Dianabol or super draw and And those orals are pretty much the best strength drugs also on a side note clenbuterol increases your strength. So you will notice a substantial increase in your strength. If you take clenbuterol, the the weights you can lift and the amount of reps that you can do and this isn't a steroid is actually a stimulant and so what it does is it gives a fight or flight response to your body that then you are having this fight or flight response all the time. Your central nervous system is extremely active. It and you are better able to recruit muscle fibers and motor units. So then when you do go to the gym and you lift weights the clenbuterol makes you stronger because it stimulates you so much and activates. It gives you a greater ability to use your muscles. So this is actually something that people, you know, clenbuterol is used for weight loss and fat loss. But you know as far as increasing your power to weight ratios, it would help here and you know would help you lose weight. Wait as well while becoming stronger and lifting heavier weights for more reps and then if weight gain is not an issue, you don't care about gaining weight then yeah. Absolutely. You'd want to use high dosage testosterone with you know, Dianabol super jaw or Anna drawn and eating a lot of carbohydrates and a draw is the standard powerlifting hormone a stack of testosterone nandrolone and Draw those are the three standard powerlifting drugs that are time-tested and that's what a lot of the strength athletes are using. Okay, and our last question of the day is a really juicy one from Joel. Is it growth hormone that gives the 3D bubble muscle look like Jeremy buendia and others. Like super folic can that look be achieved without growth or is that the only way okay that ridiculously full look that looks like a bubble like you said that is insulin. Okay, and those kinds of gains are so transient because they are mostly storage factors that increase fuel storage and water in the muscle and that's what makes it look like that Bubble look because the Russell it's you know, when you say water inside the muscle that appears as muscle. Okay, it doesn't it doesn't make the muscle soft at all does the quality look as good as muscle that is primarily fiber without a lot of without a lot of fuel storage and water inside know the quality doesn't look as good but it still does look, you know the same as you know, it just looks like muscle and the muscle appears to be bigger Fuller and it's still a Hard muscle being full of water. So basically what guys can do is when they take growth hormone and Insulin together the growth hormone makes it so that their fat cells are insensitive to the effects of insulin and can't take in nutrition. And then they after they have the growth hormone in their blood. They then inject the insulin and then they eat massive amounts of carbohydrates. Okay, and so then the fat cells are blocked because of the growth hormone that's in their blood at the same time from up taking any of those carbohydrates and then Every gram of carbohydrates that goes into your body to grams of water come along with it. Okay. That's the rule. That's how your body functions. So when they take this insulin then and there it's all going to go into their muscles because they put the growth hormone in there first. Okay, and then they eat this massive amount of carbs in every gram of carbs carries the two grams of water. So they're getting a massive amount of volume like jack-hammered into their muscle cells. Okay, and that's how you get this really just ridiculous overly full. Bubble looking super round muscles like that and you'll notice a lot of times the muscles when they look like that it looks a little bit cartoonish. It looks a little bit cartoonish and it doesn't look quite as hard and grainy and fibrous and it just doesn't look as permanent. It doesn't really have quite as permanent of a look to it. Just when you look at it. It looks the quality just doesn't look quite as high but it does look very freaky and it's very Catching and it's a look that a lot of people want to look want to have because a lot of people don't want to look natural. They want to look like aliens. They want to look like freaky and they're wondering you know, how can I get that really big full look like that? And so the ones have it the most and you see these guys they look like bubbles. Okay, that that's primarily insulin. Those guys are using tons and tons of insulin, okay, but a less extreme version of that, which is more of a You know Jeremy buendia. Yeah, obviously he does use insulin but He is I wouldn't say that he's like, you know, he's got really good muscle quality to so he's not using high high dosages of insulin and I wouldn't say that his look is caused by insulin. I would say that insulin is a contributing factor, but equally as contributing is usage of pharmaceutical grade growth hormone because it does promote a really 3D separated alien look and it does also Produce that some of that round Bubble look and also better insulin sensitivity in the muscles and more fuel storage in the muscles. And the real thing that though that that growth hormone does is it promotes this look where there's division between each muscles. So where one muscle stops the next muscle starts and if you look at Jeremy buendia, he's really really got this look where one muscle starts the next muscles. Stops the where one muscle stops the next muscle starts. It's a it's a very very impressive look and he looks great. And so pharmaceutical grade growth. Hormone is a big factor there and what you're really looking at is a Synergy of chemicals. Okay, you're looking when you look at Jeremy when Dia when he's fully blown looking, you know crazy, you know, the there's three there's three main things happening there. Okay you're looking at Tremble own you looking at pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone and you're looking at insulin all at the same time. Okay, and then you're also looking at genetics that are good for that and you're also looking at diet and training that is you know spot on but the main thing if you're doing those things to you know, if you have you know, a decent muscle jip shape genetics you have, you know, your diet and training is on and then you know, if there's another thing that's missing especially if you're already like using some Are words using testosterone or something the the main thing that's going to be separating you from him is his use of tremble own insulin and human growth hormone all at the same time producing that look. All right, you guys this has been a presentation of the steroids podcast for saw arms and research chemicals go to new roids.com and get 25% off legit fully Dost not bunk Psalms and research chemicals 25% off coupon. 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The Pokemon gotta catch em all but we give it a good try. We're the number one source for news reviews tips and techniques to help you catch em, all I'm drunk out of podcasting trouble fall and Joe is out. Again Joe is not sick tonight or well. Yes, he's sick and love he's got his anniversary with his wife.Three kids and two years. I don't know how you did it. But you know that somewhere before you there. I don't actually know how long it's been very useful but riding shotgun. He was here a few weeks ago while I was out. Well known for Ingress and his love of Pokemon go and orange lines radio. It is Rob Roberts. Hello. Hello. Thanks for having me back. I'm here to get my frequent flyer. The card stamped here at the Pokemon go podcast. Tell him always flattered to be asked. As to fill in for what do you guys and keep the chair warm while Joe's out this week. I love that you're so easy to talk to and I don't remember how long I've known you as long as I've been going to Dragon Con so six which is about a slot which is about as long as I've been going to drag it works out. Yeah. I just assume everybody's been going wait longer and a half. Yeah, if it has been it was maybe a year. I think 2012 was because it was it. Would Bobby the good old Bobby black wolf who I work with Over The Voice keeps Network. He I had been trying to get me to go for years and years when we were on the network prior to Vogue and I was always kind of like it's not a gaming can but why would I want to go to Pax that weekend? Why would I go to Dragon Con? And then finally when we went from our the gaming Network you used to be on to the voice of Geeks Network. It was like, okay, I'll go to the geek conda pitch this new gig Network we're doing and I fell in love with DragonCon. It's an amazing amazing show and then I met fine folks like you and and many other folks who have been on this show in the past and your network. Yeah the second year. I went I submitted a panel which was the podcasting past present future and and the like you need to bring people but I don't know to me a drink on so I threw up names like Tom Barrett and other people and fortunately they put together a bunch of people and he's like, I'll be black wolf like I don't know who that is. He's an Indian chief. I'm not sure this guy I don't I don't even know him and and that's how I met Bobby and Bobby was really great. We went from there. So so yeah, that's it. So we're going to jump in to actually get back into this court. We're going to jump into our adventures of the week. And how often do you still get the play Pokemon go rob. I still play fairly regularly. I've probably backed off of Pokemon go a little bit it kind of depends like what's going on in the other games because believe it or not. I'm trying to juggle all all three Niantic games with mixed success. Oh you doing the Wizarding World, right? Yeah wizard. He's kind of like lowest on the totem pole. But even they have events, right and I want to kind of go out and I do a lot of like walking breaks at work. So like this break I'm going to do wizards. I'm going to walk around and do all the traces and get the dailies that this break. I'm gonna do Pokemon and catch this break. I'm going to make sure everything still green and Ingress, you know, so I can like go back and forth between all the different games, but I would say Ingress is probably still like my primary. Of just because it's the one I've been playing the longest which if you guys don't know I mean, I know I've been on the show before but for those who may not know Anguirus was nigh Antics like predecessor to Pokemon go although it is a very different game. It's a player versus player game. You're not catching Pokémon, you're kind of doing a territory territory battle sort of thing. But the long and short of it is that if you ever wondered like why is this a poke stop or why is this a gym? It was one of two things either an Ingress players submitted it which is the likely candidate or it came from my Antics really really old field. Rip software which was like their first foray into a our stuff which was like points of busy giant points of interest database. So yeah Ingress has been having some events lately where they've been doing like double, you know points or they do a lot of like limited time events. I think kind of feeling like what it's done for Pokemon go to help that you know, as we have like our holiday event that just finished right and now we just got news not to get too ahead of ourselves with the party had event is starting right so It kind of keeps you keeps you check it into Pokemon, right? So Ingress have been trying to do similar stuff too. And of course, you know Wizards unite same thing wizard unite has Community Days and all that stuff. This worked out very well for Pokémon. Yeah, it seems like Pokemon even though Ingress was definitely the beginning go there. It seems like things have worked out pretty well for Pokémon in general as far as I'm taking the lead. Other than like you said doing the doing the Jim's and poke stops, and those kind of things Ingress is still leading the pack on that and it feels a little too much to me. The Pokemon go feels a little bit too much for me. Like he's trying to be Ingress like I'll get out there get out there so I don't want to get out there. I don't want to go play with weirdo people. I just want to catch some cool stuff and and you know explore when I can explore and it's all right. So we do this live on Twitch. Thursday night's 8:00 p.m. Eastern on twitch.tv slash Pokemon go podcast and we do have a question here. Let's see if I get this name, right? Your bad Oblivion is what's the best place for pikas? There isn't one. I don't think don't those just come out of eggs. I don't think they nest but you can catch them in the wild especially during events. Okay, so, you know, we just we just had a winner event finish and we have a party hat event starting right now. So it would be a go outside. They're they're everywhere. I mean, they're not actually I wouldn't say they're like, they're not like I still see more like zigzag. Goons and Buhdeuce right now, but they're out there and killed the pipe guy says a grassy areas. Sorry. So we talked about Ingress and how you do everything this week. Have you done or caught anything? Well, you didn't have to do it for this week. It's been a minute since you've been on what's the coolest thing that's happened to you in the last couple weeks and the game, you know, I got an e x-rayed pass for Christmas day, which is such an I mean, I realized the thing is on a system where it's like they do a couple weeks on Sunday than a couple weeks Monday Tuesday, but you would have I think that they would have been like oh December 25th is Christmas day, like not that we're going to acknowledge one, you know holiday over another but the reality is, you know, most people in America all the businesses are closed on Christmas, right? So who's going to go out and rape and so I was thinking all right. Well we're going to be in town the rate is at six o'clock at night and usually all the holiday stuff happens earlier in the day, right? So we'll go out. We'll go do the X-ray because I didn't pay the money to get Regigigas. I am I saying that right? Oh, yeah, I did. Not and did I didn't pay the money to get him the first time around let's go get him during the x-rayed. Hopefully, they'll be like 7 people there on Christmas day so we can get it. So we show up and it happens to be in downtown Sacramento where I live right across the street from the capitol is where this yet stop is okay on it. I've never seen so many people that he x-rayed ever. It was easily 80 people that I could see and summon cars somewhat. So there were two this is a very popular place for people to During Community day. So I'm pretty sure a lot of people did what I did and there was a raid going on at that particular gym. So we all did it. I'm sure a lot of us got passes that were all there during Community day. But that is the most people I've ever seen the I just wasn't expecting that on Christmas day. So I kind of thought that was interesting is that for, you know, a dead game or a plateauing game there's still so many people that are going to come out and play on Christmas day. So I thought that was pretty cool and I caught it and that made me happy, but then I got an ax pass for New Year's. Thursday because my friend gave me that one because that one was locally. I live in the suburbs of Sacramento that was local one of the parks here and I did not caught that one to that would have been just what yesterday that was over 3,000 CP that one that I caught and all right on top of that. So that was nice. I felt pretty good about that one except for the fact that I think that Pokemon is relatively useless. I don't know if it's better in PvP, but I don't get a lot of Did you whole lot PVP? Is that your your dream just now kind of just the mandatory stuff is what I do. I've been trying to get a little more into the Team Rocket stuff, but I have to admit I'm not as enthused on that. I'm all about it's funny that you talked about. I don't want to walk. I don't want to move. That's what I'm all about because I use, you know these games as a motivator to get out walk. Make sure I'm getting my steps and you know getting a decent amount of exercise every day. So I'm all about like hatching. Eggs catching Pokémon as I go spinning whatever making a walking route that goes by as many stops are possible without being too crazy and all that. Yeah, there's an article coming out of mentions usually watching how you know, it's let a lot less people today. I'm trying to find some numbers of I've got the numbers of basically at its peak used in the first month or so, how many users were online after trying to find one for let's say even last month, right, you know or 2019 Peak anything like that? That's why I'm having a hard time finding it. But it's still going really strong and I think with all the new improvements bringing them more and more people. Yeah, I think you know, I think the game is and you know, they're still making these types of improvements which is good to kind of get people to notice. Hopefully, we're going to see more tie-ins with the mainline series to because I know we've got the and you'll have to forgive me guys. I forget the name in the moment, but there's like a successor to the Pokemon bank that's coming that I believe is supposed to work with like Pokemon go and sword and shield. Supposed to be some type of like there is likes Harmony there. Well you can send. Are I think you can send everything into sword and shield but nothing comes out? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds about right. That sounds right. Yeah, I went on somebody for Pokemon go sleep. That's what I'm waiting for it. Yes. Yes be great. Yeah, I think a lot of mobile games would kill to have the kind of business Pokemon go is still getting I mean, it's funny because here we are on January 2nd the beginning of a new decade right and I don't know about you but I'm seeing a lot of like best of the decade type of literature especially rise to gaming and believe it or not Pokemon go showing up on a lot of best of the Decades it is because of how how new it was. I mean the reality is even if I played Ingress most people didn't so the concept of using the real world to play a game was new for a lot of people and the benefit of Niantic having had Ingress and their back pocket is that they already had a network fleshed out. They already had all these stops and gyms and points of interest. It's now granted you can make an argument. It should have been a lot better for Rural players. But you know, it is what it is. They had something in place that got a lot of people move in a lot of people talking. You know, I still remember those early days of the game. They were doing stories on the news about how old town Sac was getting business again because it's usually so dead down there but everybody was going down to the Waterfront to do that. So it's just like those first few weeks and months probably first couple months were just unreal there there really wasn't anything like it in video games. Entire decade so it's just it's interesting how all those kind of like fond memories are coming up again and we'll Pokemon go ever repeat that probably not but you know is Star Wars ever going to be as good as the first Trilogy. No, I'll just say it. Nope, you know, it's okay. Yeah, and we'll have an article that actually going to touch on some of the early days of Pokemon here later. But for the experience is Terry wolf. Let's You got a shiny snorunt's last Friday. This isn't our Discord and to be a part of the Discord you get a patreon.com forward slash Pokemon go podcast and I think is low as $1 now because we said anything at one point of a patreon is actually raised the minimum to a dollar so so it's a dollar things for episode is way that works out. But anyway, basically you just jump in you can share your experiences a week be a part of this awesome Community. Popeye 705 did Five Regice raids is there is it I think it's Reggie. See because everything is Regirock and Reggie steel. I think it's Reggie. See why would you not Regice because why is it red steel right? I don't know because Reggie everything else. It's the Reggie's that's I get it. I get it. It's like my my brother Larry Darrell and Darrell, I think maybe spelling it regi IC E rich he's might have been a bit much so Maybe you know, we just we just have to deal so but he got that one. I'm number four Terry. Okay. I went out hunting this last weekend for the Crystalis the one that's the snowflake is hell. Yeah, I never I never got that one because he really didn't really had to do the snow lures to get the best chance to find any so I did that last Sunday. I my Sunday morning gig is literally touching a poke stop. Add so I could throw a lure on it and I did and I got I don't get to it because mine's actually about to come up in the Discord here in a second when I posted it. So I wouldn't forget. Wow. I did a cool couple cool Evolutions under the snow lore, but none of the ice flakes snowflake showed up, you know, whatever they are. I was but see I got gastro Dawn evolved apparently and that one that one's under that one was under the snow when I think no no that one so I just got a random gastro Don. I don't even know what that involves from the be honest with you. That thing is crazy looking snail. It's a viking snail is what that is. I don't know if I have that one yet. It was a probably a Center Stone Evolution from where's the Kenai shallows and from shallows? Okay. Yeah. So yeah. I have one I do have what it is. It's the shallows evolution in there. Yeah. So killed if I can I do exclamation point ass and then space and then put that in where I can get it for you vespiqueen is the other one that I got that's from Beedrill. Kumbi, I'm sorry. That's from Combi. I got vespiqueen and then they'll evolve from a different line down Coon things and gentlemen. Yeah, the beer makes no sense. Although he's cool. And then Frost lass is the one that came underneath the the snow lure and it was snow runs with a Center Stone and a nice or you can evolve into Frost less Frost lists lossless, so It's funny with with people trying to do the titles. I always get a kick out of that. I see Terry got I don't know if that's a shiny pin for or is just a fan for Fabian. Fabian says, I finally got my Dorito Ranch you got that the shiny snorunt as well. Maybe get a melt. Sorry not melt any guess which I'm assuming for Christmas a good for him and he's doing about 10 boxes. Did youdid you ever did about ten boxes you have this rich? I did. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, of course. I have the switch. But yeah, I played you had to play quite a ways in the Pokemon. Let's go Pikachu /e V to yeah, you do that you really do so I did I played enough to get that and get the box and I ended up being the guy that kind of can I Can I borrow your switch to well, I mean or can you show up and bring your switch? I'm not letting that thing out. But you know, can you bring it to a raid so I can get the Meltdown box? So yeah, I got the mail metal and all that good stuff. And yeah, the shinies scissors shinies for quick period so yeah, because I mean that's the thing you can still do. It's not like that went away. So if you're still and also people have been using it as I think that Quest may be long gone, but there was some Quest it was like you have to catch like 40 steal Pokémon or some like that and that made it a lot easier. Easier to do if you have one of those no metal boxes. I didn't last one. There's a few more in there, but there's so many great experiences. You just need to join the community to see them all and share your own. I would last one your Fabian says thanks your friend who kindly invited me to x-ray after I pretty much begged for it. This is my first catch of the year and he has Regigigas nice. So that was really cool. That was my first catch of the year to thanks to was my first you catch. It was my first catch so and in the chatroom jacket cases Maybe it glitched out but I got three separate crocodiles is with the snowflakes are called cry candles outside of lures. So that would have been an interesting coincidence if I just lucked out but he didn't get any during The Lure and the event interesting though, you know, I am hearing the even now after the event is over. They are still spawning especially if you are in snowy weather right now now, I'm in Northern California. Not anywhere close to Tahoe so we don't get No snow is unheard of here. So I will never see that until they do another event or if I travel or something, but if you live in a snowy area, you may actually still be seeing those funds including Craig on. Oh, yeah, that's so here. We were wearing shorts on Christmas Day it got cold and it got hot. Why was it hot but it got way out of having a close my phone and everybody's seen a black screen on the stream. I apologize for that professional that I am. We need climate change them on to get the weather's that we need in our areas. You know, I think that's what the lawyers were really meant to do though, if you think about it because like, you know, there's no eel or it especially if you're playing, you know, I joke about California, but especially if you're in like a tropical region imagine that like, they really don't have a lot of snow. So those snow lures kind of help in getting those fawns there. So I think there is a reason for that as well to have those types of lawyers. I think you just probably ran. Just bad luck with what particularly with spawning when you were using the doors. Yeah. Yeah, so you'll see let's see. I'm wondering if they can even narrow it down to specific events. Like I'm planning on going to Stone Mountain either. If not this weekend very very soon. And they have the only place you can go snow sledding in Georgia, which is fake snow mountain then they pump it all this fake snow onto it and it's really cool and it I'm like, I wonder if I if they know this is the one area there's snow. So maybe this tiny little geographical area, Georgia. I can get all the snow fucking much. I did open the box Adventure box this week and got laparis out of it and have a laugh person that school was like, oh, yeah, exactly. Alright, so that is the But my hunch is it's all zip code based. Hence why you can be on one side of the street and being one weather and then across the street and it's in your in another whether my hunch is it's all zip code based. So unless that little part of the mountain is its own ZIP code Charles. I does not gonna get lucky there. So you might have to bring the snow lures. Yeah and everyone smiling like hmm. Are they fortune-telling something because it's kind of overcast, but I'll put it on the game and it's pouring in the game like, ah, crap. I wonder if they're telling me Something's coming that I don't realize it's coming. I think it uses some type of Open Source weather forecaster site and it's probably not quite as accurate as weather.com, but I would doubt Niantic is using the Weather Channel because they have to pay for that. So yeah, that's why they use openstreetmaps. It's open for everybody. Well, you know alphabet owns them then alphabet on like everything in the world couldn't just give them alphabet no longer known sones Niantic. I think they have a Niantic as though the did they got sold out to Size Me. Well, there's one thing and because Nintendo they had a window in the Google split happened. They had a mysterious investor that poured all this money into Niantic was Nintendo because they were organized Pokemon go it's time. So I got that other game company had a mother games had a side developer Fox next is the main developer but seismic was he the secondary developer and I think Niantic bought seismic, so it's a that could be us right at Twisted. Okay? Okay. Okay. So we got our experiences there. We've got some headlines going on here. So this first one and unfortunately, I don't somebody needs I think Nicole so my knees to to make my GS. Media log in a mod for Pokemon so I could post the lakes and the chat because I don't have mod privileges in my own chat because I'll how I don't want to take the time to log out of one account and into the other but this is this all be in the show notes, right? So if you go to Pokemon go podcast.com and click on this is episode number 180. And of course, we'll go out the title at the end of the show, then it'll be there so you can click on these links as well or go to reddit.com. / R / Pokemon go podcast and you can see those links right now. That's where I go to peek at what we're going to talk about. There you go. Cuz everything that's in these notes and I'm working off of our is in the Reddit. Nice. Oh, all right, rocket leaders counter infographic. And basically it breaks it down to each one like are low and all the individual counter guides here. It's a lot there's a lot here to look at. So this is going to thing that you'd want to download. You go on your phone when you're out and about probably easiest picture. Yeah, and it's made in phone format. I love this is literally made in phone formats and go let me go to my gallery. Okay Cliff. Hey, here's all the different ones. All right. This is what I'm going to do. This is I don't have time for this game. I don't have to spend 60 Minutes go. Oh, this is Cliff. Okay, who's he got the fight me? All right. Let me find my picture. Let me go through and build my team, but it's fun. I mean, it's fun that can imagine if I did have the time and this wasn't available. I'm like, this is a crappy game. I just get kicked in the face all the time for what it's worth. I don't know if it helps but one thing I do when I'm on my phone and out and about and late. Let's say I need to know like what are the counters for Reggie Jesus or whatever hint just bring an entire party and much more chance, but if I eat don't know what the right counters are. I always go to Google but I image search so that way I get those types of images that are made, you know for easy reading and I'm not lease it. Scrolling through a page filled with ads and all this other stuff, you know, like what do I need to do? I usually will image search that helps me a lot on the go and I need so I think about that so that does actually help a lot there. So those Graphics I'm going to leave them there. That's basically it but that's the graphics that Joe found for us as from the Silph road. And it this is a graphical game everything needs in pictures. So it's really nice to be able to go. Okay. This is the these are the the ones that this particular Arlo is throwing at me. Let me go see what I have with the powers it with the attacks that are listed and put together my team and it's really cool. Now T. I read the team suggestions free. So on Arlo team suggestion is dragon breath and dragon Claw on question. I can put the names on these guys. You're killing me. Never mind. I'm not going to read these because I'd have to remember everyone is it's also tough because you don't know what they're going to bring necessarily you don't know. Lee White Pokemon the Teamwork because it's going to be random right so you kind of have to be ready for anything. Yeah, and I'm basically ready for nothing. That is my motto. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's so many. Yeah, and that's a Dragonite you were looking at by the way, but yeah, there's so many different like configurations. So I think that's why yeah, the the one that's formatted for the phone. That's great. But you might have to fight the guy once just to see what it is. They're going to use on you and then you can kind of craft the right party from there. Yeah, and that's and these Graphics are great that way and I am going to download My phone so that when I do eventually I'm still working on the six piece man, and I've been off for two weeks right without full two weeks, but I wrapped up my work the weekend going into Christmas and then I'll be off until the 6th of January. I'll go back to work. So as I'm out and about my I've got nothing to do but time a scan the whole area you'll spend the map. No Team Rocket anything going on. I still need that sixth freaking piece the build the boss finder to then be able to take on the boss fight. Have you fought the Team Rocket bosses? I have five one of the bosses. I've not done Giovanni or the maybe one big pocket or whatever. Yeah, just because I'm not I have to be honest. I'm not that excited about the shadow legendaries because usually their IVs are not great. I mean, I guess it's a nice it's a nice like Prestige thing to have you know, and I'm not one to you know, if that's what you want to collect go collect it, but I'm just I'm not as big on those. I feel like that the effort isn't Worth the reward that makes sense. I mean, yeah, but you know, it's a beautiful thing about the game is there's many different ways to play it like any good MMO ought to be right? Yeah World of Warcraft you can raid you can do Mythic dungeons UDP. Well in Pokemon go you can collect them. All you can focus on shinies. You could be P you can do Team Rocket so, you know, and that's I think where the nice thing about Pokemon go and how the game is continue to grow and avoid dropping off completely is that it is adding more things to do like any good at memo ought to do with their endgame. Yeah. I just don't know how to join Team Rocket. That's all I'm looking for. Well, there's outfits in the store if I because I am I have a rainbow are for Rob. Yeah. My trainer my trainer is actually OMG, it's Rob so you yeah, it's appropriate their Works jacket cases. The IV's your tongue out the the shadow legendaries the IV's at least can be fixed with a lucky train. 8 the lateral Legacy move really keep some of them like Zapdos from being viable for me. Yeah. So yeah, if you have a lot of Lucky friends, that's a great way to do it. Of course, if you have friends like Charles never open their gifts then an ability to days away from being forced our friends after all this time, so we sat on that for a year. I think I know I bet I have never once a year maybe twice. So look, Watch the stream for a second. It's still going to show me that Pachirisu this. Yeah, still have it right there. Look at that, right? There are stairs know. It's gonna make me cry. All right, I'm going to say and look at my storage. I have one spaces storage for that. So yeah, I got home from Dragon Con last year and was decompressing and open up the game. Ah crap. I didn't get robbed a squirrel. I was even thinking about it to be honest. We're both Very busy last year on that. Yeah Kilted pipe guy. I'll find out from Rob. How do you want to maybe share his friends friend example, if you want to put it on the air, but I'll actually bring up my friend code now on the twitch. I'll put it in chat for those that are in. Okay. He said he's going to share his agenda right? Thank you hear you. Why am I repeating that? They can hear he's he's that You have to translate I guess you have to translate from California to whatever but yeah, I did actually get through and and open a lot of gifts and send gifts. I think I got you today. Nice. I'm not I'm gonna I now I don't want to be that guy, but I have to be a little bit that guy and it's because I know a lot of people that play because it Ingress and other stuff. I have a hundred ninety-one people on my friends list, so and I'm getting real close to the cap. So if I'm really bad about sending gifts, I can't always spin. 91 stops of the day. Yeah, so I will do my best. I promise and I do notice the people that are frequent about it. But if I'm a little crappy on the gift giving I apologize and honestly, what I do is I go and this is just inside filthy casual baseball here is that literally always leave mine sorted alphabetically by who sent a gift so and there's people I recognize from they come out to the chat and the show whatever that we're Ultimate Force. I just accept their gifts. But then I'll send you know, whatever gifts. I have to the people outside and make him open. It friends with some days. I'll actually flip it to the brand new people who have that with me and some days. I'll actually go to the Friends level right? Because there's people like will squid is a beast who listens to the show and and supporters from day one and he'll remind me. He's like, hey, man, can you hit me on Twitter is like, hey, can you let's just change some gifts and I absolutely absolutely I can do that. So I try even randomly to do that with him. I'm say the trick I use is that if I know this person is like local somebody I'm probably going to be rating with or would would actually be trading with on a regular like could trade on a regular basis like like not the Charles situation where you see each other once a year at at one convention but something where like I know this guy's the neighborhood I'll give them a nickname and then I'll sort by nickname first. I'll make sure all those people are taking care of that. A friendship levels are at least 3 Hearts because you're the discount gets really good at three Hearts for Hearts. It's a nice to have but it's not a need to have so I just make sure my locals are at least at three and then I kind of I'll try to distribute. I'll go through my friends list and some days. I'll go most to least and some days I'll go least to most so all those people in the middle gets screwed. Sorry, but that's you know, it would be nice and I'm sure everybody's complaining about this just throw me onto the chorus. It would really be nice if we had a sort that showed. Is open the darn gift and who hasn't. Yeah, by the way, I'll have you know, Niantic knows that technology or at least Warner Brothers does because Wizards unite just put in the gifting not that long ago about a month ago. They will show you who's still waiting who you like right on the screen. The send gift will be grayed out if they can't get a new gift because they've already gotten one now that I'm here that says here they did that here. You just can't sort it by that. Let's see if well, yeah, I mean you can go in and look. Look there but if there's a quicker way to do it. Yeah, you know, no yeah. No. No, you're right. Now, I'm on Harry Potter. It's right there on the main screen. You can actually show your friends. Yeah, let me I don't it's not going to be the best in the world. But for those watching on Twitch, I'll bring up my Harry Potter woo account. I call it will because was your night whoo, and you can actually see there. So but the only the crappy thing in Harry Potter is that you can only open 10 a day, but it's interesting because Harry Potter has these different types of gifts. Don't want to make this a Harry Potter podcast, but you got different types. But anyway, I'm going to show them my there. Hopefully it comes through you'll notice a lot of them. Oh, yeah scent but then that one my buddy. Yeah, it says send gift so you can actually just see right there. Oh, he's one I need to send to yeah, he's really good about sending me stuff too. So that would so I I have the receipts Niantic can do this everybody. It's right here. Although to be fair. I think we do is actually developed by a Warner Brothers subsidiary. I don't I think they just borrow the stops and stuff from the attic. I don't think they can fix actually develop United kind of ghost RIT. You get the ghost author out that will put her name on it, but you guys really do it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely sure, but it is possible and who knows the structure. I know it's some point this is going to have to go Pokemon 2.0 Pokemon go 2.0, you know just technology outpaces and You techniques and coding and blow you just get bloated and I'm wondering what will happen when that day comes when you can see the Niantic really has that desire to go AR gaming even this right. There's a lot of that like what was I mean, I think potentially like from a game perspective only from a game perspective only one of the most useless features that they must have spent a ton of time on just got added to the game taking pictures with your buddies. Right right from a gameplay perspective. That is Absolutely, useless, but from wow, that's cool perspective. Yeah. Wow, that's cool. Right? Yeah, and that's something Minecraft not to now I'm going to throw not going to throw not Niantic games in the mix. That's something my that's something Minecraft Earth is trying to get big on is the you know, a our shared space stuff, which is neat. Yeah, but your butt but when I my point is you're right, is that my Antics going to want to continue to push that AR thing we all tease this game because In the beginning, especially it wasn't what we saw in the original trailer, but by golly we get we get closer and closer to it every patch. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. And now that they just launched you can see everybody else's buddies. If your life were close to each other we can pull that up and I can see your buddy. You can see mine and then comes even closer to that first trailer now you think about let's go back to the now that Google does the glass anymore, but we do Google Goggles. You know or some kind of other a our lens on my face that now when I'm at the x-rayed right and look up and I could see it sitting there because connected to my phone and I can throw the ball and I can see the ball go out. You know, that's that that's the trailer. That's the trailer and we're not a year away from that maybe two years that we might be sitting here the next decade thinking remember back remember back in the olden days and everybody laughed off Google Glass and The stuff now but I mean, you know, we joke, but hey if we want to do like a decade in the review type of thing in 2010. Our phones were not powerful enough to do this. Yeah. So yeah. Alright. We have two more headlines will talk to him. Right? Let's see party with Wurmple during the adventure sink half a batch A Thon and I did see somebody on Twitter's confirmed that the shining Wurmple is live and out there. So today from 1 p.m. To Thursday, January 16th at 1 p.m. That specific time you can you might be able to hatch a Picchu or Wurmple wearing a party hat. You have chance to hat speech you wearing hats from 7K eggs. So the feature were frozen 2K possibly another pichu's definitely in the 7K Tushar Rage of a chance to challenge Raticate or will Buffett wearing party hats. God was with the hats man. What's my already has a killing love the Wurmple? Okay, actually Charles. I really think it's them bringing life to this meme because you remember the old loading screen. I want to say it was like the 20s no could have been 20. 17 because we're able so it's in the 2018 New Year's screen maybe was even 2019 but there was a new I think was 18. There's a New Year's loading screen and in the background Wuerffel was wearing a party hat and there was this whole Reddit thing about where's that? Where's that costume? Because yeah, because remember all we ever would see as Pikachu is all I could do this Pikachu that because I think Pikachu in the party hat and this one will get my phone. Yeah Pikachu in the party hat we done that we've been there done that look at that. That's that's last year. It over. Yeah, we've seen been there done that you know, but but Wurmple in a party hat that's new and novel. Well speaking of luck new loading screens or your Dubai all ones and there's a Pokémon miners as her galled have found a new loading screen, and I don't know about you Charles, but it is the loading screen now for me. I got Minds. Let me see. Let me see. See if the game will come up real fast here. I'm starting back from the beginning and come on and you've got and I've got the net one. You've got the new one. All right. Yeah, so you got I'm looking at the screen right now. You've got the God of War painted Pikachu, which I'm down with that's just one of those like get the red tattoos going on on them or something. Yeah, but they're all looking off into the distance as if something's coming in 2020, you know, what is this? Do you know any of the history? What is this may be indicate for you seeing this? Well, we still have a lot of gen5 to uncover. So I think that's definitely the obvious is that yeah. Thanks for jobs. I've got to finish that out for sure. Could we be looking at Gen 6 and the fall probably I mean I think if they kind of stick to their one generation a year, but you know, we're going to be we're going to be caught up before too long. I mean we're on we're on 8th generation in the mainline games. So, you know, we don't have too much further to go I suppose but I I don't see Pokémon go releasing any faster than that one generation a year as much as everybody would love to see them unload some of the cool gen8 Pokemon. We still actually speaking of gen8 though. We still have not seen glory and Pokémon besides the one we got in the raids coughing wheezing. Yeah wheezing go steampunk wheezing. Yeah, or it's well, if you live in a green State, it's not it's definitely looks like something else. Let's just put it that way smoke something. That's for sure but this is a family show. So I'm going to say but anyway, there's lots of the glaring Pokémon like Ponyta. We still don't have their still others exact Zigzagoon actually looks pretty cool. Especially shiny. We don't have that. So we're still kind of waiting on those two. I my thought is that might all be Unleashed with the Pokemon Bank connection thing, even though you can only transfer one way perhaps by doing Dang, it will unlock some sort of egg or box kind of like the Melton thing. That's my little you know, I'll put on my own little party hat fortune teller hat and that is my prediction is that the Clarion Pokémon are going to be part of that new exchange system. It could be look he'll tip. I've gas has no chance of seeing the larne 2020 really? I don't give you the Why without any curious what why you think that's the case and why we'll wait on that were to take a quick break. The the feed the sponsor so stick around the Pokemon go podcast is made possible 100% by you and other listeners just as awesome as you are if you want to support the show and get a little something in return. Just go to patreon.com slash Pokemon go podcast leaving though. We don't have Google are right now. It sounds too too close to Gallifrey. I keep thinking about her who when everybody keep saying that but we do have some big It's going on. They've been pounding the events the whole holiday season, right and December has wrapped up. We've got January. We got some team go rocket special research coming out. We got to January research breakthrough encounters Lapras that no ice Shard and Ice Beam from Wednesday the first you know, what? Let me see what my wipers that I hatched. Maybe I have the new moves on them. You never know. Let's see. That's just it. I don't. Oh, there it is. I sure is not hats. I'm sorry. I get him all the the okay. Okay research box. So look at that. I don't remember when I got my box because I claimed it somewhere over the holiday break and didn't have time to catch whatever gonna guess it was yesterday after one o'clock why I opened it today, so they did say no we did read last week. They said if you'd already before you opened it if you Reclaimed it. If you just close the game of refreshing after that, then the possibility of new stuff will be there. I wasn't thinking about that. I just oh, yeah, I still have a Pokemon box. I haven't opened yet and I open it and sure enough. I've got lappers with ice Shard. Nice beam. So quite possibly before Joe hard because yeah, we won't be well before me that's for sure. He's like, I'm I've been very slow at finishing those Quest because for the longest time, you know, what killed those quest for me was when the research reward for like two months. Evie with the yes, hippie eavers frickin hippie. That was that was a choice. So I'm glad they moved past that choice. Yeah. Oh that was a choice and we moved on thank you. How is this all going through Saturday February 1st. So you have a whole month to get the research breakthrough encountered done and then get that Lapras out of it exciting Adventure sink hats. I keep hearing Toyota thong When anybody puts A Thon on something had to Thon is back. So I've been getting some free incubators when you spend. I've been picking up the incubators and from January second, which is today to January 16th time to get a leg up on that new user Revolution resolution. And basically the hatchet on you can be rewarded with extra Stardust rare candies and a you know bastogne if you want certain distance, you'll be able to find Wear party hats I'm moving on you can meet that resolution by playing Dance Dance Revolution. Yay. Oh, if you do it on the Venture sinks, you actually get the the movement count instead of having the game open. There you go. My work just might work Heatran is coming back to rage from January 7th to February 4th. Can I quickly? I'm sorry. Can't quit walking thing though, like like now you tell us to walk after you've turned off the one free incubator a day. You want us to walk? I don't think I don't know what you're doing with that, you know buy them cheap in the shop right here with your 50 coins from the gym game a day. Yeah, man. I really wish those incubator. I really wish there was just a way to but I understand that's how they make money. Right like Niantic has to make money if we want to keep getting these features such truth. I shouldn't be sitting here complaining about I wish we could just have nine infinite incubators to hatch all the things because then Niantic doesn't make money, but I just wish you know those little Single-use incubators. We saw a couple times a year be nice. Yeah. Yeah, and because I don't care enough to buy them. I used the one that's built in for everything and just slowly hatch eggs. Yeah, I mean it's whatever the events can run like this. Oh, I got extra incubators. Look at that. But I'm with you I'm not complaining about I'm it would love it to be a little bit more. You do a few more of it. You remember in the first year they would do a grass type event and that whole week you just get all grass types all the time, you know, and and now they did that it'd be crazy cool the different things you can get maybe you can even get I don't at me if this is the wrong time, but maybe you can get a Tropius, you know, even though A reasonable for Africa think it is but if he did a grass type of it. Hey, yeah my get Tropius this week if he's not a grass-type that's dumb because you got leaves all over it. All right, let's pull up the tangent train to the station because I got a crazy idea. You ready? I'm ready to help and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring a little bit Anguirus into this. Okay. So Ingress, you know, the max level is 16, right? So what can you do when you get to max level you can hit this little button called recurse and do it all over again. But you get a little Prestige badge you get a little marker next to your name and supposedly some point. You're supposed to get a hidden reward that Niantic still is not unveiled even though the Ingress players all workers to year ago. My point is a lot of you guys out there. I've already hit Level 40 right Charles you hit Level 40. I'm 39 and a quarter. Okay, you don't think so many people out there have already hit Level 40 and and like me are kind of at the point where it's like, okay, I'm level 40 now what like I can still collect, but I'm just In all the sex before what do we get new levels or what? Well, what if y'all what if like Ingress they bring in that button that says recurse or they give it some cute Pokémon, Mamrie Pica or something, right? Yeah button and you go all the way back to level one. And why would you do it you get one permanent extra Gator one new permanent incubator that's permanent. Would you press the button. I think a ton of people would have I think a ton of people would press the button just have that I just per minute. Yeah Niantic my Consulting fees are very reasonable contact us on Twitter at Pokemon go pod and therefore you to me. I will absolutely I'll forward it on to my ten percent cut. I'll get you one free incubator house. No, I'll take that. That's great jacket cases. To be honest. I'd be more for a system that gives rewards like Stardust for extra XP instead of resetting levels. Hmm. Like crafting almost so I mean there's so many different ways you could you could tweet this is a good game. We say man. They need to make it better. They did make it better. So we need to tweak now Charles Charles Robb Charles back to the story. We were talking about the goddess on all this that loading screen looking forward to the future. Yes a be back. What do you do after level 40 or at least the answer to that question might be coming this year. What do you do after 40? Because that is because p over. I'm talking about. Well, maybe there's a little 50 but the exponential jump from 40 to 50. Some of you crazies have already hit Level 50. Yeah, Tara matter what no matter where they are no matter where they draw the line. They'll turn it on and Bam you're all going to be 55 nothing. So I really think this is where the prestiging if your Call of Duty or cursing if your interest what do they call it Diablo The Valor levels or something like that? I think that's where these Those are going to I think you might see this in Pokemon. I think that system makes more sense to reset and do it again. And that's how it works for me. Every time I get right to that. Hey, I've made it all man. Everything's changed now. That's how that works and all my games literally and all my games are like this by the time I reach my everybody's aimin for I get there and then they change it good chains. I'd hit the button. I didn't kill Kilted pipe guy says to X zp if you hit the button, or maybe I think maybe that's X or excuse me. How many eggs are you seeing when you hit Level 40 the game gives you a eggs. Why all right, like this would answer why? Yeah, so and it's been doing that for a while. Alright, we got some red lines right here Pokemon. Go research task for January. Okay here, I'm just going to glance over this real quick. It's a chance or shiny and counter evolve and power up is another Stars means it's Is so one of the ventures for January can be evolving PowerUp evolved Pokemon Cub choose on confirmed or EV is confirmed with the chance of shiny encounters. There are the possible rewards PowerUp Pokemon five times. You can possibly get shiny a Bulbasaur Charmander or Squirtle. I'm not gonna read all these but it was it jumped out to me like this one under throw make three great throws you can get a ghastly shiny little leaf or an arrest but entereth is not been confirmed yet for that. Spindle we're still in the spin the train. Are you still in the spend the trendy care? I fell off that bandwagon the first time I missed a month. I just want my spender the what the little spindle with the goatee. That's to spend I want and then I'm done. I don't like that one. That's perfect for my needs to have that if I have it. I will trade it to you for that Pachirisu. I really am. No the first time I missed a month, I was like, I don't need I don't need it. Anyway as its job. I don't need it. Anyway, I was Right at that point. That's how I feel. Oh wait is our guest is I think the one that was August last year. I think that might be that's it. Okay, I've got one. I got one Charles. It's got your name on it. Thank you. Cuz I need that. That's the only one I do have one or two spend is the only one of us. I finally made it into a video game. I need my character. So well, let's see. Let's see if there's anything else that jumps out. I mean, there's lots of stuff here. Catch three different species type. I'm sorry kiss three different species of eyesight Pokemon get three rare candies. That's a good one there not if you don't live in a snowy area, but I guess you can always use the lures. Yeah. I'm it's a good reward. It's a harder. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think the other consideration is I think a lot of that same stuff spawns and fog for us so find the Bay Area so lots of cool stuff. That link is definitely going to be on You want to go podcast.com and this is our club in eluding to all night went found this myself, and I feel like--okay so light article it's not going to tell anybody anything new. I thought was fun to kind of Reminisce over. This is a new article that just came out today off the BBC as Pokémon go documents show Canadian military struggle with the gay athlete does exist. Yeah. There's so many great quotes a bitch is going to read it here because it's just a fun read. Let's see the arrival of Pokémon left a baffle Canadian military struggling to understand a surgeon trespassing the document said that BBC and the CBC have gotten over 500 pages of documents that got from the communicate connect is this game all aboard day apologize to all my Canadian friends. Sorry. So here's some here. I'm just read the quotes. These are literal quote for the documents have been turned over to the CBC, please advise the commissionaires that apparently Frontenac is both a poke gym and a poke stop one email from a major red. I will be completely honest and that I have no idea what that is. That's the quote there. This is what it launched in 2016, right? Yeah a lot the world was taken by surprise. Ya know so many people had no idea what was coming. Yes. It's so funny because again not to be that guy but I'm going to be a little bit that guy because I think that's what you brought me here to do, you know coming from the Ingress perspective. I'll tell you why those are poke stops and poke gyms because some crazy And Ingress submitted it that probably worked at that base. And what did something that was really hard to get to but I'm also sitting for that perspective of like haha. The Pokemon go players just got caught back in my day We snuck on and military bases to Enlighten them portals. We really let know We snuck in and out of place gotta learn how to be more stealth. I in the early days of playing like hey, there's a stop and I will in again melee stopped at a guard gaze at school ended up being universe. The some time in Atlanta one smaller one, but there's guards like nah, man even less you got a parking pass the campus of clothes like okay. I just go up turn around is like, nope, back it on up. Look at this. How do I explain? What a puppy stopped is? Ok. Nevermind. No now everybody know ya know everybody knows now, but then it was like, yeah, so similarly a Corporal confronted the occupants of an unmarked van on an Airbase near Toronto and they're playing on their smartphones. It's just Like in three days after the release just before midnight by the way, so that's the other key to this. It's not like hey some of the day I'm going on the base just because it's almost midnight when they're doing how the bleep did Karen's minivan full of her kids get in here to his secure checkpoint. Like it's just funny watching that from their perspective it is this is such a fun race. You can read the whole thing and such a well. It did tell you think there's just a fun insight into what was going on in the minds of people who did not Know anything about the game and had to deal with these things. Let's see. It says this there's a game out there taking off like gangbusters and it requires people to move to digitally cached locations to get points a colonel wrote the gave firmness seems to be going to the Pokey stop Jim's to collect Pokemons in parentheses. We should almost hire a twelve-year-old to help us out with this and this is the quote is like it just tickled me. I loved it. Here's some quotes my parents who were there playing with the one woman now, this is a bad parent. Okay. She took her kids. She's playing the game on this base and her kids are climbing over tanks like climbing up. And right now we have a barber I get out of the base get out of the basement and take your dang kids with you take your little rug rats with you Sharon, but we have we have an Armory in Covington that has you know, they show off some an old cannons and stuff and when they had my little ones with me and happen to be doing a raid one of the few. Have done with people and you know, I'll let them we have a little burner phone to let them play on it too and this and that the other but they won't like can we come no, you cannot climb on that. You'll fall you'll get her know. We'll get shot. No you're coming on. So yeah, you got you gotta control your kids, but the best one the best quote is where is it? Okay, so at Halifax, Nova Scotia Recommended somebody recommend that additional poke stop be added to the near at a near the museum that the museum itself be upgraded to a Pokemon gym to increase foot traffic. See that's smart. That's yes. Exactly. And that's the smart Parks were the ones that were like, oh my gosh people are coming to Parks again. This is great. Let's capitalize on this and that's the other smart military. That's like, hey, let's let's educate the children while they're here, you know a little bit about History of let's make the best of it. I think that's a fantastic idea. It's a bummer. It wasn't that easy for them. You know in the beginning. Yeah Pokemon go you couldn't really, you know, just submit a stop or submit a gym you had to have a friend that played Ingress to do it, you know, and even now it's this whole intricate system of well, you have to be at level 17 will let you add a stop but you get you know, you get a gym within a level 14 or whatever to sorry. I don't know the exact numbers of top my head but you know, it's all these different map zone areas. He's so kind of stupid long kiss me. Oh every time I don't think I'm asking here. But maybe I'll sudden my ears are like well man, that's funny Kilted five guy says when Pogo went live I had to explain to my boss. What a poke stop was Now it worked. They were worried about people invading our site. I'm security for my offices. So let me guess you have some type of fountain or painting. It's in the office that people are trying to get to because one of your workers played Ingress and submitted it. I think you said it. You need Mortal. You need to get an ingress account because in Ingress it'll show you who did it, and you don't write them out Rob. I'm just so please don't forget to my file, you know, their name might be you know. Separado Auntie xyxy trying to get something. I think it's only family appropriate as good as this something inappropriate which is get suspicious. Thank you hibernating. She rude. All right, we get Squirtles. That's gonna be it for today. I want to thank all the patrons who will go over to patreon.com forward slash Pokemon go podcast and support the show you can get the ad-free version. Jen on patreon you can get into the Discord is all kind of other cool things and Joe and I will be revamping the reward tiers here in the next month or so. Let me double check. I believe on Tiny dot CC for four slash capital G SC you and you'd have to capitalize those four letters because it's tiny dots DC link that the the version nope. It is not us. I got up the hmm go. Nahal, you know what it is. So we're having issues with the Pokemon anything on our store. Right? So we had our original shirt and it was up forever. I'm gonna okay, we're going to take it down because that's what you do with merchandise, right? You take it down making limited put it back up for the holidays. I forgot to put it back up for the holidays, but I did talk to Tony a week ago. He put it up while I talk to him and it said above all the others it said. Oh we're going to have to review this one. And apparently they didn't approve it even though it was on the store for a good eight months. They didn't approve because not here. So we don't have any Pokémon merchandise right now and the to that Joe has put up since then did well, but they were highly identifiable as Pokemon. So I'm thinking Nintendo probably hit a bunch of people with its season assist across the board. And so if it's even a close it gets just denied. 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A popular science. We report and right dozens of Science and Tech stories every week. And while most of the things we find and up in our articles. We also come across plenty of weird facts that we just keep around the office. So we figured why not share those with you welcome to the weirdest thing. I learned this week a podcast from the editors of Popular Science. I'm Rachel feltman. I met Michel and bomb and I'm Eleanor Commons and Eleanor is very upset already. Yes. So listeners, I'm going to I'm slowly transitioning out of the whisper because I feel like I'm just going to scream accidentally usually on the weirdest thing. I learned this week. We offer up little teases and share little facts and spin them into crazy stories little science Yarns if you will and we vote on which one was the weirdest thing we live in this week, but this week we're diving Into a feature package that Eleanor wrote for our latest print issue. Yes. We make a print magazine four times a year. It's pretty excellent and the topic as you may have guessed is so good ASMR is this internet phenomenon where people seek out videos that have like sounds of hair brushing and whispering and chewing and things like cosplay all because it gives them an unusual and by all accounts soothing Physical sensation and listeners, don't worry, if you don't like ASMR, which we will get into discussing very shortly. You're not alone. This episode is not actually going to be full of intentional ASMR triggers. We're going to go through and take apart some of the really fascinating things we learned while Eleanor reported in wrote this package on ASMR and our colleague Amy Sheldon bomb who is an eye long time ASMR enthusiasts. It's true is going Jump in with questions as she has them and so we're just going to really like take you into this Sonic exploration of this beautiful print piece that we're all really proud of and hopefully you can pick up a copy on newsstands and check it out for yourself. It's beautiful to see and experience but we thought it would be a shame to not talk about some noises with our mouth sounds we will do some ASMR somewhere in the middle of the episode, but we will give you fair warning. So you can skip ahead if you don't want to hear us chew on stuff. So Eleanor. Hello. Why don't you kick us off by telling us like what made you pitch this to me? Because I know that we talked about it for some time before it actually came to be. Yeah, so I have self diagnosed with this thing called misophonia, which is a severe aversion to specific sound triggers like mouth sounds that people make when they're Whispering into a microphone or eating Foods. And it's very painful and bad but I talk about it all the time with people because I'm trying to be like more like yeah, this is just me like sorry that I'm physically recoiling and I was talking to one of my friends about it. And I knew that I had already wanted to write a story about it because we had this noise issue coming up but she kept saying I like, you know, like what is this misophonia thing? Like everyone keeps talking about it? Like I don't understand and I reflexively it was just like well it's because we're persecuted by the ASMR people and the more I thought about About it the more I was like wait, is that kind of what's going on here? And so I started looking into it and it turns out that misophonia and ASMR which stands for auto sensory Meridian response and is sort of the complete opposite of misophonia and that you love certain sound triggers, like people whispering. They give you the Shivers. Yeah, they give you this amazing as it's called brain orgasm. No, yeah. Yeah. I really hate that Amy speaks for many members of the a smrti who would really like them to stop. Referred to as brain orgasms. Yeah, not a popular term. But anyway, it turns out that these things that seem very distinct and almost like Polar Opposites may be related and that by kind of studying them together. We could better understand what makes people love sound and potentially like all chill out the way that ASMR people get to when they're hearing their favorite videos that's dope. I was talking to a researcher named Nick Davis who was sort of the advisor to Emma Barrett who published the the first peer-reviewed article on ASMR in 2015. And so they were at Swansea University and he was like, yeah, I was so uncomfortable when Emma brought this to me the quote. I literally pulled this out of our interview. She started bringing up all these videos of beautiful Russian women whispering and I thought this is really weird and I don't want this on my University Computer, right? And that's a great intro to talk about like, you know, one of the reasons this this package is so fantastic is that the research is really in it. Infancy for both of these phenomena and part of that prop. I mean, so it's something that didn't get a lot of attention for a long time and really liked came to public attention during the age of the internet, but then there was a lag with the research because it had first come into the public Consciousness on the internet. So it was like, oh this weird Bad on YouTube. You're certainly not doing your dissertation on that and it took pioneers. Like Emma Barrett to say yes, I am totally. Yeah, I mean, they're probably like a million other people like Nick Davis who just didn't get over it and start looking into it and one of the the researchers I talked to Agnieszka Janek make early and she was talking about how she really struggled to get her study published for two years because everyone was just like this really weird sex fetish like is not science and she was like, no this is one. It's not sexual also sex can be studied scientifically. Yeah, I would like first of all the weird sex fetishes are science. Yes, and then also three like this is an objective phenomenon that we see like similar patterns in people across cultures. Like when we look at this it is real and demonstrable and still, you know, Publications were just like this is like some weird YouTube thing and like we can't this isn't science and we can't validate it and I'm like, we don't care. Well, even the reason the name is like really pseudoscience e and kind of a subject of debate is that it was named by like an Enthusiast not a researcher. Yeah in 2010. This woman named Jennifer Young Who as far as I can tell is a cyber security professional in Canada, you know, not a neurologist or psychiatrist or anything. She started a Facebook group for other people who were experiencing this sensation. And so she just named it ASMR autonomous sensory Meridian Response Group, and that's literally where the name comes from like it is not from the scientific literature at all. It was just people trying to stop people from calling it brain orgasm. Yeah what I love what I loved was finding out that because during the course of edits Someone at some point was like we need to explain why the word Meridian is in here and it was because she was looking for something vague to replace the concept of an orgasm and she chose Meridian in terms of like being at a great height like a climax. Oh Lord. Yeah and that has kind of hoping it was like energy meridians or some now. I assume that as well, but it apparently referred to kind of like a vague take on the definition of the word. Ian using it to mean something that doesn't actually mean which again is fine like somebody needed to name it ASMR is a great acronym but it's true that the ASMR just has like it's kind of a meaningless string of words definitely and to your point Lake it is so under-researched misophonia as well. Like we don't even know how many people experience ASMR at this point. Also we don't understand how much of it is kind of like a spectrum like it it is very unlikely that there are people who experience no, positive sort of Sensations from sounds or exclusively negative, you know experiences from sounds and so we're still trying to like map this but what we do know is that people probably do all experience ASMR to some degree in the classic example of this is like if you've ever gotten a haircut and thought like dang that felt great like that is start of that's like the very, you know, basic minimal in-person introduction to what people can experience with these Adios, so Amy since you experience it, I do not experience the opposite. I hate it. What is it? Like I've heard it described as like a tingling on your scalp, I guess maybe but it's mostly it's mostly just very comforting. It's like your mom brushing your hair or I don't know. It's like it's like really to me. It feels like like warmth and just really soothing not necessarily. Tingly. I think like at some point. That was I mean, I don't know. I feel like I An experience that and a while but like I don't know but it's mostly just this universally sort of like Pleasant. It's on some soft feeling and it didn't know to your point about it being like a spectrum. Like there are certain sounds that I really do not like including sounds that are like ASMR sounds that are often considered an ASMR sounds like I don't really like mouth sounds either. I really do not like sounds of people eating good thing. I brought this pickle to eat. Ya think Rachel but like there's a lot of like like a I guess serum dropper bottle the way that it like clinks against the the neck of the bottle like that just sounds so wow nice to me and it's not it's really not about necessarily sounds people make with their own bodies. I don't find that to be particularly soothing. Yeah. It's all it's all stuff that I feel like to me at least like is connected to like somebody taking care of me and I wonder if like that has something to do with the fact that like if ASMR is more. Really experienced and women who don't have sort of like caretakers in the way that maybe men might grow up and have caretakers in their wives or spouses interesting but it's kind is kind of I don't know if that's the same thing as like the tingle response or if that is just enjoying sounds. Yeah. So I was talking to GB ASMR, right who is like the like undefeated Champion. Oh, right. Yes, Mr. Videos awesome artist. Yes the ultimate and so she was As saying that she has like a range of reactions to different towns and there are some things that will just give her that leg pure a tingling sensation that she thinks is what other people are talking about. But that like the videos that she likes the most in returns to often are the ones that just give her that warm feeling you're talking about. Right and that like yeah even just for an individual person like there is such a spectrum there in terms of what you respond to and it changes on its kind of contextual like she was saying, you know, she's like she was basically like I consume ASMR content all day long and then I So make it and you know, like during the day like you'll want something different than at night when you're trying to go to sleep, right then, you know pick a completely different set of sounds and so it's very yeah, it's very interesting. How varied it can be. Yeah well in like one thing that didn't fit in anywhere in the package, but that I've been thinking about ever since I read about it like three years ago is that there are ASMR videos of all genres. I mean, there's obviously porn like make sense, but there's also ASMR porn Yeah anything yeah, and there's also relatedly and I've seen I've seen this on the subway. There's relatedly like point of view personal attention videos. Yeah. So like I've once I looked down on the subway and I was watching a video that was just like from the perspective of someone who was being led around by a beautiful woman on a beach. Yeah, and she kept like leaning close and I'm not even like people talking to a mic with ears on it like yeah, like actually like me around. Yeah and personal attention to you is do you come up in the package as Like something that maybe the same phenomenon as ASMR, but we know so little about ASMR that it's impossible to say right now but ASMR enthusiasts and content creators do definitely in some cases lump these together. We're like ASMR videos aren't always about sound anymore. Sometimes it's like someone's making intense eye contact with you and talking to you really gently and it's just about that like intense personal focus and that people say that gives them like the same kind of warm fuzzies. And yeah, I have at least this one guy on the subway next to me one time is an avid consumer of point of view personal attention videos and it was like it was not explicit. It definitely felt poor me though. It was a very sensuous little film it is saying I mean, but there's also like is a sensuous little film. I mean we've had first person shooters for a long time. Yeah. Oh totally. It's like I didn't have a problem with him. Watch that Subway. I were no there were no, Like boobs out or whatever it was fine, but I was like watching men consume passenger fun. So why they're always like looking at my poor knee weird Instagram accounts or like catalog something like this is sorry. This is address catalog exams and Instagram influencers, but the thing that I read an article about a while back was ASMR horror videos. Yes. There's a huge. Yeah. There was one that I watched out of curiosity. Yeah. You mean doesn't like it. It that there's one I watch like to feed my curiosity that was like it was like the heartache on like a you're getting your hair cut video. Yeah where you wake up and I'm mad scientist is like performing an autopsy while you're still alive. Yeah and like speaking gently to you with vocal fry as he like buzz isn't a clear sky. He was like, I like I can think of one friend who probably would be really into it but it is the sex thing and like it just as Aang how many different moods people like seek to have triggered by ASMR one of the things I was talking about with Craig Richard who is the founder of ASMR University which is sort of this like Clearing House for like all things ASMR like this guy is on it like you go to the site and it's like every single thing that's ever been published or not yet published and he was like, you know, what do all of these ASMR videos haven't in common besides some sort of allegedly triggering sound. And it's hands it was just like, you know, like there are all of these unexplored visual connotations of ASMR as well that we like. We don't even have the sound part characterized like we're so far away from getting to this but like this will be the next stage of research is like, what does it mean, you know to have these like the classic internet hands right that like kind of come in and out of the frame. Yeah, as part of the sense of like personal attention, like people will put their hands up toward, you know, the camera like as they're whispering and like does Bring you more in like, you know, how are all of these sort of different senses Eleanor speaking rate hand gestures, right? Thank you. I wish everyone could add - it's very calming. But yeah, so that was that was one thing that he was just like, you know, like stage 2 of ASMR research and like 10 more years will need to look at this kind of interplay. 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Um, the genetic testing company is claiming that they've identified a single variant called RS two nine three, seven five seven three that increases a person's risk of quote being filled with rage when others too, but I talked to Psychiatrist at the academic Medical Center in Amsterdam named Amy and Dennis who literally called this a hoax which is a great choice of words. I thought that was very funny. I tried not to laugh on the phone, but he was like, it's based on a genome-wide Association study, which is a very common way of looking for Trends in DNA of people who report certain characteristics, but it's not typically seen as like reliable on its own. It's like the first step in a research process, right? So basically it was like there's way too much to testicle noise, you know to ever say that we've found the thing and Then he was also like most conditions just generally in life are too complex to tied to a single snippet of your genome. And so I just think that you know, every researcher I talked to about this was kind of like the seams misleading and while it may not, you know be especially harmful to believe this I think it's just good to remember that as these things come out about ASMR probably to in the future. Our DNA is not just going to reveal ourselves to us like yeah, things are always a little more mysterious than that. So why don't you talk a little bit about the kind of like the Cracks of the main essay in this package is like maybe ASMR and misophonia are two sides of the same coin. And so like what are some of the the mechanisms that are being investigated for causing those like seemingly diametrically opposed triggers. Yeah. So I talked with as I said, Nick Davis and then he worked with Emma Barrett and then doctormick earlene. They were all sort of researching ASMR at the same time 2014-2015. They started looking at this question scientifically. And you know, the early work was identifying key triggers. And so what came up and both of them is like Whispering this sort of broad concept of personal attention crisp sounds those were all things that people seemed to really enjoy and then they were finding this strange thing where a lot of the people in their sample who self-reported ASMR and then were observed experiencing ASMR also reported hating a lot of sounds too. And so they kind of set this aside and then doctormick early. Him back to it and she was like, you know, I really want to know what's going on here because the numbers were just kind of crazy. So when Marilyn and I were on the phone she was telling you how she discovered that 36 percent of people with self-reported ASMR had severe misophonia compared to 22% of people without a Samar in her study and severe misophonia is like the kind that like you typically need some sort of help to cope with there's no cure for misophonia. Like you can't cure sounds but you can talk to people about, you know, using like stress balls instead of like screaming. Aiming at people eating which is something we've all considered. So on a hunch having seen this in her population, you know, it's sort of like a normal correlation. It doesn't stand out too much. But what you decide to do with separately test a group of college students and she found that among those participants who experienced ASMR but didn't seek out triggering videos 70 point eight percent had clinically significant misophonia. So almost twice as many as in the other population and what that suggested to her was that for these people the discomfort. That they experienced because of their misophonia outweighed any of the benefits of the tingles that they were capable of feeling and so they kind of have the capacity for both this calming sensation and the sort of like misophonia crazed the misophonia was just so intense that they were never going to try to listen to ASMR videos. Yeah. And so then what scientists are trying to do now is see what kind of connections there are between the two so we know for example that both are affecting the nervous system as far as we can tell Wow, and they also appear to be altering brain function in some way. So we're you know trying to probe this deeper and understand how they might be related in terms of like the nervous system. Like what we find is that for people with misophonia when they are experiencing their triggers like someone eating around them their heart rate will rise as well as they're like skin conductivity. So that's like sort of the sweat on your fingertips, which is an indication of arousal not necessarily in a sexual way but like Jesus, you know, your body is like Is reacting to the world and then on the flip side for ASMR your heart rate lowers, but your skin conductivity also increases and so there's this thinking that maybe what that indicates is that ASMR is actually like kind of working you up. But in this way that feels soothing so you can be experiencing the same sort of biological phenomenon, but the way your brain is interpreting that is like wildly different then we've also looked through fmri studies of kind of and brain Imaging studies of what's kind of going on in the brain. Rain, and we're finding that potentially for misophonia and maybe we might one day discover ASMR as well. There's this role of interceptive awareness going on. So that's sort of like called your Sixth Sense and it's your sense of your own body's internal State and with misophonia. They think that maybe people who have it have very hyper aware interoceptive capacity, but they're kind of misinterpreting the data. So like even before you consciously register, Sound it may be activating your body and creating this kind of fight or flight response that people talk about and so now the question is like is the same thing potentially happening with ASMR where you're so in tune with your body in a way that maybe other people are not that you're kind of hyper aware of these things that maybe everybody is experiencing but you just like grown in on them and that related to make Orleans Original study where she was trying to identify ASMR triggers. She was also looking at the personality traits of people with ASMR and she found that on the big Five Index, right which is this thing that's like neuroticism openness to experience etcetera. Like I believe people would ASMR had really high openness to experience which to sort of shows like this interesting interplay in their biological capacity for experiencing sounds and they're like attitude and personality and the way that they approach the world. So the question now is like if we can sit strange. Yeah, and if you if you if you like except that about yourself, it's a lot harder. Yeah. Be yeah. Yeah, and that's I think why people are very frustrated by the question of like is it is it sex? It's because it's like well it is kind of weird but like I'm like okay with it and it's great and I enjoy it right and like it doesn't have to be like problematize door like, you know made into a taboo. This is something that yeah that the community has been overcoming and I mean like in a big way one of the stats we have in there. Is that as of 2018. I think there were 13 million ASMR Leo's on YouTube like they're doing okay now. 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About the like sub-genre of mukbang which is like a Korean video where people eat it just like tons of food into a microphone. It's not a sub-genre. It's actually completely different thing. It's meant to be it's not meant to be about the sounds at all. It's about sometimes they like combine them but it's a developed. I believe completely separately and it's more like you're having lunch with your friends and people are lonely. It's very contest on it of whether mukbang is ASMR and like how they relate because a lot of people Now our marketing their mukbang as ASMR, correct and saying that that is what they because if you similar on the whole our city and it leaps into the whole personal attention video right to right regardless, I was going to get some Korean food. I was going to get some chewy rice cakes to eat into this microphone and I was told that it was too early for lunch, which was extremely rude, but I do have some gummy candy, which is another one that got talked about as an ASMR trigger in the course of us researching and and creating this package and that one was surprising to me. Me I don't think of myself as being sensitive to sound but I was like surely no one likes the chewy mouths. Yeah, I did get also get a very crisp pickle because I can understand the crunchy mouth sounds a just the packaging. Oh, yeah, we have some packages and we have of course a magazine with with Pages. They also have a hairbrush and then there are all the different ways. You can make with your fingers Eleanor you were doing some lovely fluttering or yeah, I learned in the night. Oh my God. She just like flutters our fingers into the microphone. My Knuckles are too big. I can't I can't like get your fingers like tips of my fingers. It's messed up. Why are my hands another one that comes up as both a bad trigger and is a good trigger is knuckle cracking which like I guess I can hear how that might be good or bad. I don't really like it, but it's not the worst. We have a hairbrush. Yeah. Oh, I'll do this one. I love the sound of my hair being brushed. Let me find my hair. Also. It's like it's so scary sound. It's so great. Seeing the different mic setups people like will have Mike's covered in like dust covers and they brush the like fluffy. Yeah ever like it's hair. I love it. Okay, here's my hair being brushed. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I think that's nice. Yeah, it is really nice. Wow, that felt great. You want a nice to meet you and then you know, there's various like tapping tapping is a controversial one. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh that seems one of the most one of the more benign ones to me. I guess I can depend on like I could see if you if you like topic something with like big acrylic nails. I think it's more it's more about the like this style of the tap. I think that's nice. Thanks. Yeah. It's like a pig is like a rain stick. And then, you know you have various like packaging you have like crinkly food. There's a lot of sounds in here because these are Sour Patch Kids. So yeah, these are sour patch kids. So there's like powder inside. Oh, wow. This is a whole new. Rachel you're innovating. What's inside? This makes me want to die. Yeah, I took my headphones off for this one. All right. Yeah that that would that the food chewing stuff like that does put me into a rage. Although I think like this sound is probably gonna be good. Sure. I want to get a lot of buildup. He's like hell, yeah, I like it. It's satisfying. It's not like a mushy sound right just not something I even when I was the one the sound of the pickle. It's not the sound of your mouth. Yeah, it is key when I was chewing this hour of had two kids. I didn't like it. It may have made me like Sour Patch Kids last year that in my headphones as I ate them this eater writer recently did a piece about like why is everything in television so loud when people are eating and they were like I have misophonia, why are all of the Royce on succession? Chomping on chicken at like a billion decibels and I was like, I've never really dated to reporting more than this that I'm gonna stop in this pickle. So now we will cease with the ASMR examples we yeah, but in the in the book the magazine, honestly the Sour Patch Kids powder was my favorite sound of all this almost sounds so I'm new surprising it. Yes. This also has its associated with things, you know, certainly we for really like one of the things I thought was interesting about misophonia is that like it is very much like it's personally felt in that like you won't typically react to like a baby crying but like if an adult made that sound you'd be like what is wrong with you. Right? And so it's kind of moralistic in that way and which is something I've been working on accepting since the therapist who works with misophonia. Nia patients was like yeah, like it's kind of judgmental like it really is yours triggers are not as universal as you think and I wonder if the same is true for a smart right? Like contextually the same thing is not always going to make you feel great. Just so there's a lot of it like has to be really intentional. You can't like it's like tickling right? Like it becomes very unpleasant when you do not want to be yeah, you know, like when you're an adult you like don't don't tickle me totally and it also has to be done so gently to make Get to really highlight the sounds and minimize like the interference like GB was telling me that she is like a really loud person and I could tell that's on the phone like she's a wonderful person to talk to but she was like, yeah when I told my family I was going to do this they were all like what's wrong with you? You can never make this work like you're like a crazy person you're so loud and annoying and she was like, it's been like a really intentional effort to slow myself down and to behave in this kind of controlled way that these videos Videos actually come across as peaceful. Yeah, so I thought that was interesting that even a SM artists are like fighting the good fight to be calm. Yeah, that's key. It's peaceful. It's really yeah well and the kind of the the conclusion of the the main article on the package is like could we harness whatever is working about ASMR for people who love it and enjoy it not just to help people with misophonia, but to actually make everybody. Kamar yeah, I tell people cope with life. Yeah, really? Yeah, it's I need help. It's crazy that people would ASMR are disabled to sort of like turn on a YouTube video like that's amazing and it would be great if that was available to everybody and you know, one of the therapists that I spoke to who are says misophonia patients was like I know at least one of my patients is using ASMR to cope with their misophonia. Like they find the sounds that make them happy and it would just be so cool. If like we all could like chill out and just like listen to her like happy. Curacao, you know, that'd be great. We should we all just need to find our hobby triggers. Yes. That is the that is what we're trying to tell where did the listeners find her. Happy triggers like airbrushing which I'm gonna go back to immediately after this is over. Yeah. Well, I remember when like the the main reason I was upset when Chris Pratt and Paris is broke up. The reason I thought like I had them in my mind as a celebrity couple that I like they were my ride or die is because he talked about French braiding her hair every night before bed because it's something her mom used to do and I was like that is the most romantic sensual intimate experience I've ever heard of in my life and it's true that like, you know, someone fixing your hair for you before bed is so intimate and something that like, you know, generally we don't do for one another as adults. So go find somebody's hair to braid is what I'm saying. Yeah. It's like be childlike again in that way being like soft and sensitive to other people. Yeah of coloring books. Yes. Yeah Millennials are on that. We're like bringing back childhood. Yeah, Play-Doh slime is a huge ASMR. Yeah, like what's that about? If not, I'm going to be four again. Really the squishiness like the yeah. I like really clear clean crisp crisp sounds that I associate with things. I like. Yeah. The other thing was that when I talk to all these people I always ask them. Like what question do you most want to answer since there's so little research search at this point like, you know, what's the next big thing coming for you? And so they all had different things like, you know, one of the things was about cultural differences like mukbang like we've already talked about but you know, they also said like the hand movements thing is a big one. One of the things is that people really want to nail it down. The mechanisms behind ASMR. Right? Like we have some of these kind of early studies about showing an association with like your nervous system and your heart rate, but like what's actually going on in that kind of cascade where you start to feel that pleasant experience? Other people want to come up with a formal classification system sort of the way that like synesthesia has been divided into several types and you can test for them really accurately. So we're you know, that would require moving beyond this kind of binary of like, yes, no misophonia and identifying subtypes, but then the one I thought was the coolest was Nick Davis the guy who was very scared of ASMR in his University Computer. He was like, I just want to know why the scalp is involved. He was like the scalp has almost no sensory receptors. And he was like, it just doesn't make any sense that that is so often where the ASMR Cascade begins from like an anatomical perspective and that blew me away. Yeah, that's so fascinating. So many things left to look into what I love so much about this package is that like there's so much information in it, but there's also so much that we don't know yet and so many questions left to answer and and work to look forward to so definitely pick up a copy of the pop side noise issue. It's on newsstands now, it has a big bull Soon on it not just great stuff on and some iron hear amazing stories about mysterious unsolved sounds throughout history and animals making impossible to hear impossible to ignore noises. Why our baby cries impossible to ignore? That's a question. We answer if only in this issue also, we talked about totally silent Chambers, which are so creepy. It's so scary as scary as ASMR sounds for me. Me also I love that. One of our cover lines is the rowdiest a big frog on Earth. I edited that one and actually owned or wrote that one as well. Yeah, so pick it up. Yeah was developed very important to me. Got to every member of my family. I they bought an issue and I just kept opening up and be like, did you read the simlish one? So we should end in similar is right. Yeah add up again. Goodbye. It's too much like a real word. I know I know it's so hard to do they're doing is they talk about got a Buddha but uh, they they talk about like a specific word that they use. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's also I love it. Yeah, and it became the equivalent of Aloha General happy greeting. But if it's Aloha, it can also mean could by SOL, SOL, SOL, SOL, SOL, SOL, SOL. Thank you so much for listening. Let us know. Through the usual channels let you thought of this episode you can send us a voice message. You can talk to us on our Facebook group. You can tweet us at weirdest underscore thing and we'll be back next week with a usual episode. Thanks for listening weirdos. The weirdest thing I learned this week is a popular science podcast where available on all major podcast platforms. 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This is the stuff I heard podcast and I am your host today happens to be Wednesday episode 151 October the 16th. Wow, halfway through the month. How about that time flies when you're having fun baby. So anyway, I'd like to thank everybody for checking in and you know got a little bonus episode out there with Danny McWilliams the host of his own YouTube channel and Instagram stuff I kind of care about I watched a couple of episodes that he's put up lately. He's doing he's constantly putting out content, which is great. I told him I said you just keep doing what you're doing man. Just keep putting out content and people find you especially if you're doing anything interesting he has a great ability to talk to the camera and he has a great ability to want to include the audience and you know, he's open to Discussion in an in an advice and stuff like that. So, you know began to him if you reach out to him check him out and just say hey, you know kind of big what you're doing and tell him Josh sent you. Hey, man, Josh sent me this channel pretty cool. He's going to be getting into here right now. He's doing some some sewing projects, but he's going to be getting into some blacksmithing at some point here going to be a lot of cool stuff coming up. I think he's going to be putting out content on a regular basis and Hey listen, I talked for a long time about building community and I got excited watching his videos. I was like, here we go. He's doing it. He's doing the legwork. He's doing the thing that most people don't do he's doing the actual. You know day-to-day things the let's begin. Let's let's make this happen. Let's actually put out some content. Most people are just intimidated. They don't they don't want to put in the legwork. They don't want to try they don't want to I don't know what if it don't work with it. You know. Listen, I can't tell you that I didn't have those fears in the beginning to but you just sort of go with it. You just sort of put out content you just sort of, you know admit to yourself. Hey, listen, I got to talk to the camera. I got to talk to an audience. I got to talk to you you guys yall are watching are spending your time. I might as well make it interesting. Right if you're listening on a podcast right now. You're probably driving down the road. I know a lot of guys I work with check this out and hey on my crew I work with I appreciate every one of you. I hope you guys are doing well. Be safe out there. I know it's tough. I know it's tough fight the ghost man. They're out there. They're trying to get you to go to sleep. Don't do it and stay awake. so listen, let's talk about something that I've been sort of, you know glazing over here and I have it really gotten into but I wanted to sometimes it's all about timing. Sometimes you you have to Source out what you want to say or you know, put some thought into it or put some research into it or sometimes it's all about, you know, possibly waiting for somebody else to be on the podcast with you to talk about it. And I've had a guy on the podcast before Ian madrasah and Ian is he's very interesting guy very Fun to talk to very very worldly in his views and we've lived a amazingly different life for most of our Lives to now end up working together and I find them fascinating. Like I just love talking to the guy. He's such a big guy and he's he has traveled the world. He has a different view about things. He speaks multiple languages, you know, I often question him about you know when you sleep do you is there a certain languages at you? Dream in or does it because you've been in America now and like it's English like the main language you speak or is there are moments where you go back into your you know, the the language you first learned, you know, do you go back to Russian and and suddenly dream in rush. And you know, what what how is that? You know, he's like, I never really thought of it that way. It's kind of interesting I needed. I'll think about it let you know like I'm cool. So anyway, one of the fun things about Ian, is he enjoys he enjoys talking about and listening to people Talk about aliens. One of the first times I ever rode with him on a truck. Hey guys, check this out. I found this cool radio show and we were flipping channels and all of a sudden were listening to some guy and it was sort of like it reminded me of when I was a kid listening to dr. Demento come up with funny, you know songs really strange songs, but this was like people's call-in radio show thing of how they've had alien encounters and this was person after person calling into this radio show and talking about how How they've had an experience with an alien that particular morning we heard a guy talking about he was farming and an alien picked him up off his tractor and took him off to somewhere else and and you know probed him and in the whole time. We're listening to it. Yawns is cracking up. He's like, I love these guys man. They're so great and I was like, okay either he finds humor in the fact that people are stupid or he's loving the fact that people are telling their story and When L teams to laugh at it and it makes him happy and I'm not sure which was the case but I I enjoyed his happiness in the whole thing. I was hesitant in the beginning to even talk about aliens with him, but I would but as you're riding around I started talking to him about it and jennex, you know, you ask people questions, you're like, you know, so do you you know can't believe you know, maybe something else out there and that's kind of the the, you know, get your foot in the door of the conversation kind of deal. And so You know, he's we start talking back and forth and I'm going to have them on the podcast and we're going to do an alien pod cast and we're just going to have already told him I said listen, I want to I want you to listen to this stuff. I sent them a couple of podcasts to listen to both of them with Joe Rogan one of them with with Dan Aykroyd. I've talked about that on here before and another one that just came out not long ago with Commander David Frazier from the US Navy. And I was like, I want you to listen to these and let's talk about it. Let's get on there to get weird as you know, let's talk about it. I mean seriously, I'm in like I don't believe there's a little green man. I don't believe that that anything that would have that kind of advanced technology would be humanoid and show up and be like who took me to your leader? No. Listen, if we found another civilization of people somewhere or life-forms somewhere. Let's just let's take the people. Out of it. Let's just say there's another being out there that we discover. Oh, wow. Look, there's being we're not going to show up and be like, hey, we're from Earth. No, we're going to investigate right we're going to use drones. We're going to have planes that fly by and maybe take pictures. We're going to try and hide in the clouds or hide in the ocean or something like that and we're going to like observe and take in data and figure out. All right, do we even want to make contact because if you have that kind of of advanced technology to be able to go to another planet and investigate you would think you also have the technology to either wipe them out. Either on purpose or by accident. Let's say you have some weird space bug some weird, you know, like the like the pilgrims who came to America and suddenly gave everyone black plague and you know tuberculosis and whooping cough and stuff like that. There's different diseases that different people carry and you know because of that like when we discover a new tribe that lives in the Congo or something like that we go that's not interfere in their lives because if we can really disrupt their whole world They Aborigines in Australia. We just we we try not to mess with their whole environments. Like that's just not that's not disturbing you that if we can listen, I know that they have I know that they've done horrible things those people and I'm not talking about that right now. I'm just saying if we were to investigate the least amount of interaction that we have the better. Okay. So let's just imagine. Okay. I'm not asking you to believe right? Let's just imagine that there is such a thing as an alien which by definition is just something another other than what we know. Okay something other than what we know right. Now. We perceive that the world is round. Hopefully you believe the role is around if you don't come on, this is 2019. Anyway, let's just let's accept that the world is round. Okay, and we believe the gravity pulls us down and and that the sun, you know is out there and we go around the Sun and all that stuff. Okay, and we think that we're the only life that we can see from right now. We look out at the stars and we understand how light travels we got scientist that tells us the speed of light and we can look at those stars and go. Wow each one of those stars is not a star but it's actually a son and each one of those Stars has its own solar system of planets. Better going around it. And every one of those stars are so far away that most of them are already gone by the time we can visibly see it because they're so far away, but because they're so big. We can actually see it. Or were so big. It's actually a time travel thing if you think about it. So our distance like we came up with the concept of time like humans. We were just like listen, we need to figure out a measurement for this passing of the day so that we can get things done and we came up with a measurement of time and upon that measurement of time. It's not a perfect system. They talked about how they have to add seconds here and there and you know, there's an atomic clock that sometimes is off a little bit and you know, you have 365 days and every once in a while you have a leap year. Every four years because you're like man, we got to adjust it. You know, Tom is a construct we've invented time. But it's the only thing we have to go by right now to measure we're just now learning about gravity and about the influence of gravity and what it means to us with the Centennial great Neil deGrasse. Tyson has come on Jose podcast many times and talked about how we're understanding gravity fields in space and how because of gravity and because of the way gravity affects things is how we actually found some of the planets that are out there how he how he actually disprove that Pluto was a planet So we're constantly learning about our environment around us and yet we know so little about the ocean that's right here on our planet. They're constantly finding new life that lives in the ocean. We can't even go to the depths of our own ocean. We can't even investigated have no idea what's in it. That's one of the things I like about the movie The Abyss we came out a long time ago when I was a kid, but I watched it recently it still holds up. I mean the special effects are a little wonky for today's standards, but you know, the story is interesting. The idea that there's alien beings living in our ocean and they're observing us. Why not? Just because we can't understand. It doesn't mean it's not a real. So anyway, let's talk about Commander David Frazier. Okay, listen to this podcast and I'm out cutting the grass and listen to him discussed this and he's a 24-year military veteran. He went for years enlisted Marine Corps decided you want to be a pilot got into the Navy got into their top get Top Gun program became one of the top pilots in their Fleet for years. A on November 14th 2004. He was apparently flying off of the USS Nimitz and had a UFO encounter. He talks about running a training program those a couple Marine pilots that were out and they got on the cam and said hey, we've got a we got a real-life incident. We need you guys to check out they apparently were off the coast of in Sunita Mexico, which is like a port city in Mexico right off the Baja Coast. They apparently have been tracking different events that have been happening off the coast there. For a while. I think what he said was like six weeks. They've been tracking different sightings of things that they couldn't quite understand and as the idea of the UFO UFO literally stands for unidentified flying object and I've tried to over the years change the acronym to throw off a little bit of heat from you know, Wackadoo is out there that are wearing tinfoil hats and and paint in their face green. But listen, there's still the understanding By top-level officials that there's things we can't explain. Okay, we can't explain how we can see these things from time to time and they're there they fly in ways that doesn't have any Rhyme or Reason. They don't seem to have any backwash of a jet engine. They have no propellers. They can move left right up down, you know, even the commander David Shrader talks about how they came into contact with this what he calls a Tic-Tac shaped craft And he said that you know, he could visibly see something in the water that was a craft above it. They started tracking the craft with a with a the technology they have in the in the plane. He was saying how they had a visual on it. It was for different crafts. So you got a crew members you have four pilots and for co-pilots a crewmember saw this thing tracked it observed it. He said the total duration of it was maybe think he said right at 2 minutes, but he said it was it was so much that they observed. He said they got back and they compared stories and they were all the same. Reason and he said, you know since then the stories are gotten out of hand and people added to it and all it did this and that and the other and he said but that's not our story like we gave an official story. And this is it this guy is not a he's not a tinfoil hat paint your face green kind of guy. He's just telling you this is what I saw and that's it. That's all he said is this is what I saw I can't explain it. But this is what I saw. And it's a fascinating story. This guy Jeremy Korbel was on the podcast before. He's the one that brought Bob Lazar on there to tell his story and Jeremy, you know does his research? He's he, you know, he's not painting his face green and wearing a tinfoil hat but he's like listen, there's some things we don't understand and I don't mind bringing it to light and like listen. It's just kind of turned into a passion project because there's so much information out there that I keep getting and this is not like Dan Aykroyd coming there. Dan Aykroyd, you know believer of everything anything that he hears. He's like, oh, yeah. Sure. Let's believe that too. You know, he's like listen, here's some evidence that we found and and I just want to talk about the evidence. And he paints a creative story that sounds believable. And you know, I'm into it. I mean I dig it because I'm right on board with him. I'm like, yeah, if this is real why wouldn't this be possible? Why wouldn't it? Why is it so unbelievable to think that there's something operating just outside of our ability to observe he talks about these crafts moving at speeds that are uncalculated. In directions that it shouldn't be able to go within an instant and how they're tracking them all over the world that they're all over they can observe them. There's different reports of the sightings all over but no one's really, you know, nobody's getting on CNN being like this is a thing because it's so it happens in situations where maybe they're using military gear to track it that they can't quite tell the public they listen we have this craft that can fly at this altitude this speed. And we tracked it and here's some information because it shows Telemetry on the screen and everything that they're doing and this thing had to wait to be Declassified in order for them to show the video and happened in 2004. And I think the video wasn't released until 2015 because by then the technology had been out there for enough people to know about it, but it's like one of those things you constantly coming up with new technology and he's like, you know, here's an incident that happened and if we had that kind of Technology, it wouldn't be just for military like if this was something that the He was working on like a Black Ops kind of thing. He goes you'd see it everywhere because who wouldn't want to profit on it. This ability for these crafts to move the way they move. He said this is this is something other. And that's the part to get you interested. That's the part that you know makes sense to the average person who's like, I don't know. I mean seriously it got me into it. So anyway, check out The Joe Rogan podcast Commander David favor favor. I think I said Fraser favor if our a VOR listen this craft they measured it it's like 40 feet long. I had no wings. Just it just is it's interesting. It's very I find it very interesting. I mean, so anyway, we're at about getting close to 20 minutes. My camera is blinking at me and I have a feeling that the battery is going to die, but I'm going to talk until it dies and then I'm going to recharge it and click back in. So let's just keep this ball rolling. Okay stuff. I heard I heard a lot of podcast this week. Listen to a lot. I don't know how Just got on a roll. One of it was Bert's something's burning from YouTube. He's releasing these uncut audio versions of the of the YouTube show. I watched it last night Sebastian Maniscalco Maniscalco and Guy. What's his name? The chef is Chef but Jo Koy not Jo Koy job right now joke was like what? No, God was his name. I can't believe I'm drawing a blank right now. I should have wrote that down. He's the guy that does the chef show with with Jon Favreau guy right now at people that are watching that have watched are going dude. Is this guy? Anyway, the guy that he's a Top Chef. He was a neighbor of Bert growing up years ago. They used to come over to each other's houses and cook because her kids were about the same age and they were best buddies and he has the the Kobe, you know trucks that go around and apparently they're really high-end food. And I can't think of the guys name for some reason. Anyway, this is stuff. I heard okay, so you can tell people that Josh is an idiot. He didn't do his research he didn't. So anyway, I watched that on YouTube, but they also listen to a previous episode on his podcast the other one with Todd Glass and I find Todd Glass fascinating for a lot of reasons. One of the main things is that he takes the ordinary and he amped it up just a little bit he talks about how he has these dinner parties at his house and he said one time he told Buddy, he said listen, you know when everybody come to dinner but bring a blue blazer like, you know, just I want everybody to kind of dress up a little bit. He said so everybody went by the local, you know, Goodwill or Salvation Army or whatever secondhand thrift store. Everybody had a blue blazer on him when they came over they had a party everybody look nice. He said, you know in the pictures even if you're wearing, you know, t-shirts and shorts and stuff like that. You got a nice blue blazer on it looks looks kind of classy. He said, you know, we took pictures and he's a bit after the after the dinner party. Everybody left the Blazers at my house here. So I got 40 different blazers at my house. You know different sizes and whatnot. And he said so I would have these dinner parties later and I would tell everybody listen, you know, it's kind of a kind of dressy Affair. You should have a blue blazer. Listen, we can we have experts in the back. Maybe you could traveling on you know, and so it just became fun to play with, you know, and he adds in this element of fun and play to the different things that he does. He says he has some dinner parties where he'll hire musicians like to play guitar or play trumpet or something like that. He said and I'll you know, I'll have them. Get into the party. I'll have fun with them, you know introduce him to people as a friend of mine. And then at a certain point I was like, hey, you want to play something and he said and all of a sudden they'll pull out a an instrument and he said all I need is three songs. Just just three songs learned three songs, you know, you can make a fun evening out of three songs. So so anyways, he fascinating guy, right? Okay, so, you know in there he also talked about, you know, he had a really small apartment one time in New York and he invited people over and he's like listen. I know my apartment is really small. And it's really crappy. He says but pretend this is like on an airplane and you're going to be amazed at how much space there actually is on the airplane for this for this room. I mean, it's amazing. So he would give him the tour of his room on an airplane as though the room in his apartment was on an airplane and it just it adds an extra element of fun to it, which I find endearing. I mean, it's it's cool bird talks about how he's on the road and sometimes he'll go into a green room and it's got a horrible lighting or horrible seating and he said he went into one and they had a lamp and it was really nice and it kind of is set the mood for the place a little bit differently and he's like weird the lamp come from he's like, oh, yeah Todd went out and bought that and it kind of makes a difference in here don't it really improves alighting? He's like really does he said he got that from another comedian years ago that used to do something like that. So he burped took that and kind of ran with it. He was at talks about how he was at a comedy show up in Minneapolis at the Mall of America and he said he's he's in there and they had a really crappy couch and he was like, you know, I could buy a different cat. I got money, you know, so he walks, you know through the mall and he finds a place that the cells these couches and he's like I want this couch and so they brought the couch over. It's really nice couch and he goes and I just I just bought a couch and put it in the green room because I figured you know, I want to be comfortable and I figure when I'm not here other people consider back here and they can be like, hey, this is nice. Where did you guys come from? Oh, you know Bert Kreischer bought that. Oh really? Wow, is it? Really nice couch is really cool. So, you know, they talk about like improving their life a little bit and like extending it for other people, you know, it's not one of those selfish things of I'm just going to do this for me. It's like no I'm gonna do this and other people going to appreciate it. It's sort of adding adding a value back to the world into other people's lives. So I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed the audio part of it. I watch the video when it came out but you know like it because I episode 5 of the something's burning show the the video that I watched yesterday. They were having a cook-off between Bert and Sebastian they were grilling hamburgers different styles and it it's funny. It's funny because they're different style of comedians. They're actually friends even though the doesn't come across very much on the screen. Because Sebastian is very reserved. He talks about how he says you don't think before you talk. Do you he goes I think about everything I say before it comes out of my mouth except his because of that like you can tell there's different styles in the way. They're cooking too because Sebastian's is very calculated and versus not Birds is just like wow. So anyway, go check it out on YouTube go check out the podcast he also I also watch some things on Netflix. There's a show called in the shadow of the Moon not the main character, but one of the like the third ringing guy is Michael City Hall in the in the show. The movie was OK. It's a movie. It's you know, there's some time travel. There's a murder mystery that has to be figured out. There's some you know hints to you know, this leads to this kind of deal and there's a reveal at the end. It's like whoa cool, but the story was just I told well enough to be great. There's just an element that just wasn't there if you watch it you're going to enjoy it but it's literally one of the things you can have on and kind of you know, if you watch it. You're going to be like, all right, you know out of 10, I give it a gave it a 7. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. There's good acting there's good action. It's just it's not great. Like it could be great, but it's just not great. And you know, hey, they did a lot with the budget. They had. I'm sure the twist at the end is amazing. It's a Twist that I didn't see coming. But even then they didn't they didn't like do a reveal at the end to kind of show you the full circle of what was going on, which I felt they could have just it's just a little bit missing from it if they'd have done that little bit. This would have been a bit about 10. So anyway, it's called in the shadow of the Moon. I also watched falling in love, which I know Ian is iinn falling in love at the at the end of the day. I'm just as happy little girl when it comes to watching, you know, heart failed movies when loves involved just like oh, it's okay. We got a couple of good actors in it. Basically this girl. She's in New York. She got a happy life. She's got a guy that's you know non-committal. Job, that is falling apart. And she enters a contest on the internet and wins and in in New Zealand and she's like wow what an end so she goes into the island and realize. Oh, no, it's a money pit. There's a lot of work that needs to be done. It doesn't look like the picture but she sort of out of options and she's like, well, I guess I guess I'm going to work on this and she meets a guy turns to come turns out he love interest. He's also a contractor and he's going to help her fix it. There's you know, there's a push back in the beginning. You know, it's the the meat what they call it the meat cute. They meet each other. They're like, oh no, I don't like you get away and then the oh, I need your help. Okay, kind of like you listen the formula is standard the characters on the show are great the characters in Rich the show enrich the movie, it's good. It's really good. You know, if you're into sappy love story kind of things, it's good. You're going to like it. Let's also talk about Disney with their Skyliner gondolas. I talked about it before about how they had a crash and four or five of the gondolas had kind of bumped into each other and shattered glass and the whole deal and they did some investigating and had it shut down for a while. Apparently, they're up and running again. I watched the Tim tracker on YouTube. It's literally the Tim tracker. He did a he did a YouTube video checking it out and showing how it's working again and talked. Have a space them out a little bit more and whatever bug it is that they had that was causing the problem. They've they've apparently worked it out. So, you know, it's one of those things where whenever technology comes out. You don't want to necessarily be the first adapter. But you also don't want to be the last you know, you kind of want so like that's why we didn't book a trip this year. We're sort of wait until next year to go. We're thinking December next year. The weather will be nice won't be as hot and we get to check it out and ride the gondolas and see the Star Wars stuff. The new Star Wars ride should be open next year. So, you know, yay, that's it. I'm going to wrap this up. I got my camera battery life blinking to me and I'm right at 30 minutes. So I'm laying in the plane guys if you guys have hung around that's good. Minutes try to keep the energy up as my wife says keep the energy up Josh. I love you baby. Thanks for listening. Go check out Danny's podcast and his podcast go check out his YouTube page and Instagram stuff. I kind of care about he's going to put up lots of content and keep working at it. Check out. My dad's page. Also. Our Peak dad is on YouTube and he's had knee surgery, but he still getting around really quickly. It's pretty interesting on fast-forward watching him use the crutch and it still moves pretty fast getting a lot done. Anyway, y'all take care. Thanks for listening and cue the cow.

I go into the reports of Navy Cmdr David Fravor (yes I miss say his name as Fraiser for the first part) on his Joe Rogan podcast appearance discussing what he saw November 14 2004 off the USS Nimitz. He was off the coast of Ensenada Mexico and has learned there have been multiple sightings of unexplainable craft in the area before and since his encounter. Very cool discussion, even if you don't believe in the possibility of life from other planets. Check out Bert Kreischer's podcast The Bertcast, and his YouTube show Something's Burning. Todd Glass teaches us to look at life from a different point of view, and try to add to it. Give it a different perspective or add to it in some way. That's how we make this a better world. Do the extra thing, even if it's buying a pre-made lasagna and covering it with some high end cheese... it makes the ordinary better. We can all add to our ordinary to make it better for someone. Check out Danny McWilliams on YouTube, Stuff I Kinda Care About. The Tim Tracker on YouTube for Disney highlights, including the gondola Skyliner updates. rpeek on YouTube, my Dad. Post knee surgery and still living his best life. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks to my wife for telling me "Keep your energy up!" I love you more than you'll ever know. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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This is the first episode in the series focusing on cognitive distortions as another way of understanding the psychology of it all where I explain the self-sabotaging habits of mind we all do from time to time the primary aim of this series is to help you decide if you need therapy coaching or just the good friend little disclaimer. The purpose of this podcast is pure. For education and entertainment purposes only nothing in this podcast should be construed as professional advice because I don't have a relationship with you as a nurse practitioner. If you happen to be a current or previous patient, you should know that the information presented is not necessarily applicable to your individual situation. And if you'd like to schedule a private consultation, please do so. All right, let's get on with it for the next few weeks. I'm going to be explaining cognitive distortions and the role they play in self-sabotage. So let me first tell you what I mean by cognitive distortion seems self explanatory, but Distortions are biased perspectives that we take on ourselves in the world around us. They are irrational thoughts and beliefs that we unwittingly reinforce over time to the point where they become automatic and almost reaction. Like if you'll recall from the previous series on defense mechanisms reactions can be trained. The goal is to train our thinking to reduce bias and contend with reality the first step in preparing the brain how to think clearly is to recognize the need to change. Difficulty in realizing the necessity lies in our tendency to strongly believe in our objectivity. Actually. We think there's no possible way that we're holding onto any blatantly false beliefs hate to break it to you. But you're a mere mortal the difference between occasionally believe in your own nonsense. And those who are perpetually inconsistently convinced of their own nonsense rests in the ability and the willingness to confront our patterns of thinking cognitive. Distortions are in automatic thought process that interfere with our ability to consider other ways of thinking about a situation when we become overly reliant on these thought errors. We tend to interpret the world in ways that feel mental distress and may cause things like depression anxiety and Trigger our anger. So what's an example of a cognitive distortion I'll begin with number one all-or-nothing thinking sometimes just called the category polarized. Thinking or black and white thinking this Distortion manifests as an inability or an unwillingness to see Shades of Gray. In other words. You see things regarding extreme something's either fabulous or foul. You're either a great success or a total failure. It's not difficult to see how this type of thinking can cause you self-sabotage. For example, you're on a job interview and you get asked a question that you deem out of left field things were going well up. Until that point you realize that you did not answer the question exactly how you would have liked but instead you immediately start to disparage yourself as an utterly qualified individual and assume that the entire interview was a waste of time. This is the same type of cognitive distortion. That's sabotages. Most New Year's resolutions. It reinforces. The fallacy. That one indiscretion has ruined everything done thus far how many of you have decided to go on a diet? And you're doing well on day 1 and Day 2 Day 3 you're drinking your water. And then you eat a cookie and you deem all your efforts failure and then you eat the rest of the cookies and you deployed defense mechanisms to reinforce your bias thinking. I really like how my fat pushes out my wrinkles making me appear younger or who needs to lose weight. Anyway, the fact remains you may indeed need to lose some extra pounds for your physical health and your cognitive. Portion is sabotaging your effort. So how do you fix this process? Well, the answer first is to recognize Shades of Gray be open to the fact that just because you have a thought or a feeling it doesn't make it a fact and it might require an alternative interpretation facts require evidence to support them. Ask yourself. What evidence do you have for your thought? What evidence is there against your automatic? Thought are you thinking rationally or are you having some sort of? Rational emotional reaction force yourself to come up with other plausible explanations for Alternatives just practicing this allows you to slow down enough to process and truly confront reality. Did you really gain back all the way you lost by eating one? Cookie, is it one cookie less calories than five cookies really? Did you really blow the interview? Because one question caught you off guard? Guard are your self sabotaging thoughts helping you achieve your goals. It's possible that you're interpreting the situation all wrong one strategy is to replace negative distorted Thoughts with other plausible more empowering ones. For example, it was not the fact that you did not answer the question. Well enough perhaps you realized halfway through the interview that this was not a good fit for you. Was the lapse in judgment leading you to finish the entire bag of cookies or take a drink or snort a line or place one more bet pick your Vice was that laps? Perhaps a teaching moment that now makes you aware of potentially high-risk situations in which you may act irrationally and now you're better equipped to avoid the future relapse. Monitor yourself for all-or-nothing thinking do you find that you are using absolute terms like always and never is there any positive interpretation of the situation these strategies may seem simple enough, but I assure you that old habits die hard pay close attention to your thinking this week and see if you can censor your all-or-nothing thinking and next week. I'm going to explain the cognitive distortion of overgeneralization. Well, that's our time for today. Please don't forget to subscribe download like and share. This is dr. Raymond's akari helping you understand the psychology of it all.

   For the next few weeks, I am going to be explaining Cognitive Distortions and the role they play in self-sabotage. So let me begin by first defining what I mean by a Cognitive Distortion. Cognitive distortions are the biased perspectives we take on ourselves and the world around us. They are irrational thoughts and beliefs that we unwittingly reinforce over time, to the point where they become automatic and almost reaction like. If you recall from the previous series on Defense Mechanisms, reactions can be trained. The goal is to train our thinking to reduce bias and contend with reality. The first step in preparing the brain how to think clearly is to recognize the need to change. The difficulty in realizing the necessity lies in our tendency to strongly believe in our objectivity. Actually, we think there is no possible way we are holding on to any blatantly false beliefs. I hate to break it to you, but you are a mere mortal. The difference between occasionally believing your own nonsense, and those who are perpetually and consistently convinced of it, rests in the ability and willingness to confront our patterns of thinking. Cognitive distortions are automatic thought processes that interfere with our ability to consider other ways of thinking about a situation. When we become overly reliant on thesse thought errors, we tend to interpret our world in ways that fuel mental distress and emotions such as depression, anxiety, and anger. All-or-Nothing Thinking / Polarized Thinking Also known as “Black-and-White Thinking,” this distortion manifests as an inability or unwillingness to see shades of gray. In other words, you see things in extremes – something is either fabulous or foul, you are either great success or a total failure. It is not difficult to see how this type of thinking can cause you to self sabotage. For example, imagine you are on a job interview and you get asked a question you deem out of left field. Things were going very well up until that point. You realize that you did not answer the question exactly how you would have liked, but instead, you immediately disparage yourself as utterly unqualified and assume the entire interview was a horrible waste of time. This is the same type of cognitive distortion that sabotages most New Year’s resolutions. It reinforces the fallacy that one indiscretion has ruined everything done thus far. How many of you have decided to go on a diet? And you are doing well on day 1, and day 2, and then day 3 you ate a cookie. You deem your efforts a failure and therefore you eat the rest of the cookies, and you deploy defense mechanisms to reinforce your biased thinking ( I really like how my fat pushes out my wrinkles making me appear younger, who needs to lose weight anyway). The fact remains you may indeed need to lose the extra pounds for your physical health and well-being and your cognitive distortion is sabotaging your efforts. So how do you fix this faulty thought process? The answer is to recognize shades of grey. Just because you have a thought or a feeling it does not make it a fact. Facts require evidence to support them. Ask yourself, What evidence do you have for your thoughts? What evidence is there against your automatic thought? Are you thinking rationally or are you having an irrational emotional reaction? Force yourself to come up with other plausible explanations for alternatives. Just practicing this will allow you to slow down enough to process and truly confront reality. Did you really gain back all the weight you lost by eating 1 cookie? Did you really blow the interview because the one question caught you off guard? Are your self-sabotaging thoughts helping you achieve your goals? Is it possible that you are interpreting the situation all wrong?

Hey everybody. I'm Ashley Graham. And this is pretty big deal. We're confidence is key every episode I get to pick the brains of brilliant and inspiring honest new and old friends who are a pretty big deal. Y'all ain't even ready for our guests today. She is a self-made CEO and advocate for women Cindy Eckert. I'm so excited. I have see Checker today on the podcast and I think it'sHow long have we known each other now? I was thinking about that is three years. That's what I thought and do you want to do you want to tell people how we met? Oh, I'm happy to okay go for it. I think it's really interesting. I can tell I guess I said, I don't mind. Yes. Okay, so I was glamour woman of the year three years ago, and I had a Barbie in the whole face and and there was an auction on eBay and you could bite. I time with me and which I had never done before and I never even liked thought that that was like something that someone who want to purchase and I told glamour I was like sure let's do it. Let's see. Let's see what weirdos come out of the woodwork. Hahaha and next thing you know, they're like, oh, yeah, this woman named Cindy bought you like fun. Really? Yeah right bought your time. And I think that was it set up where we were going to do before was like, where do we already? Dictate it you guys are tainted it. Okay, so we did a full-on photo shoot. Yes, and then we were supposed to work out at my gym. So first of all, we had the bombshell photoshoot. Yes, and I got Cindy and her bra I got in a Shaker when you're abroad prior time. Yes. That was true. I almost got down to my skivvies. I almost got you there. But we're in jeans you can Google it. It's really hot. And then we were supposed to go work out. And I said, do you really want to work out and you kind of Wonder like you shook your head no neck. Thing, you know, we went downstairs and went straight to Shake Shack had burger fries. I don't think we had Coke. I think we had like water maybe and you told me your whole story and I was in a murder because I had no idea who I was meeting that. Yeah. Sure and you were like, yeah, I'm this lady who this lady who sold my company for a billion dollars and I want to be I want to be a part of your business and I want to be an advocate for you and I thought in that moment. Who bought this time? Did I buy this time or did you buy this option because it was like it was honestly as a blessing it was truly because you've been such a blessing and I think that what you do and you stand up for women you advocate for women in business is very important because I've heard you say so much that you haven't had female mentorship and yeah, it's been very difficult for me to find it as well and certain Avenues. So that's how we met that. I my stories it's perfect and I'll proceed that by saying I'd seen you speak at Forbes with That's right. I thought you were outstanding then. I was literally invited to go to glamour woman of the year. I was at the ceremony where you were being awarded and this announcement was made and I'm like I want to spend time with Ashley who doesn't want to spend time with Ashley Never thinking that it would play out that way and and truly like such a gift to get to see that you are exactly as you appear. Like I say that to people all the time they asked me what's Ashley like and I'm like what you see is what you get. Yeah. There is no fakery of that and And I think that's so refreshing. I love what you do for women. Thank you. Yeah. Well, it's a very unique story and I'm so glad that we get to share it with everybody and I got to see what it's like to go to Shake Shack as a model where everybody comes around there. Like would you like anything else? It's all of a sudden became like a full-service restaurant like they came up in there like more fries. Would you like a shake? Could you like this? That's some free fries or something like me you did just to be clear. Oh my goodness. So and also has your podcast going good. It's good. You know, it's Sorry, I feel so fortunate to have like I see colorful characters in my life. And I hear these straight stories of success and how they got there. And it's really like I just want people to have a moment listening into our conversation. So, you know, you got to make time for it. So I've got to make time for the business has been crazy this year. I know I'm excited to talk about it and something else that I just realized too is I didn't realize that you had moved around every single year of your life, which I thought was interesting. I've lived in six different states, but You've lived in 12. That's right. I think I've lived overseas twice. I think I stopped counting at 32 moves. But ever the most like every single year from the fourth grade through my senior year of high school. I changed schools. So Perpetual new kid. So what's the good thing about that? And what's the bad thing about them? So the bad thing was at that moment in time like you left and you were out like there was no we're not going to email each other or anything else Facebook the Fiji islands. I lived in when I was Girl, so, you know, I wasn't long distance calling back to Fiji my group of friends. So that's the sad thing is lost Connections in some way. But the great thing is you get really comfortable being the Perpetual Outsider because when you show up as a new kid in school like you are not going to be popular you're not going to be the cool kid, and it really I think teaches you to sit on the outside of the room and observe everything that's going on and I think it's given me a lot of fearlessness and taking on things as an outsider. Do you think that That fearlessness you've kind of learned to twist into your businesses for sure. Is that kind of where the love of business came about? You know, I grew up sis is such a ridiculous Story by grew up in Rochester New York, like wrong side of the tracks like little neighborhood rather Irish, we're Italian and every Sunday my family went to Wegmans wide-ranging super weird. So I'm Waitin have a follower of Wegmans. I heard about this like it's a little it's crazy starving, but you talk to people and like it has a cold. Following and I think from a little girl. I've always loved like what makes a business Tech it's-- that my big I've two big brothers and they would tell you that every game I played as a child was with me as a CEO which really was just then manipulating me because they would make me have CK's kitchen Cindy Karen and it was so that I would go and deliver things to them on the couch from the refrigerator. It was actually the only way they'd play with me because you're the baby's such turds. Yeah. Geez Waits three kids your age baby. I'm the baby two big brothers. I know you very personally and on the outside your this like very like well put together. I wear pink. I have a pink lipstick. I have my hair done. But yeah, she is a badass like show cursor. She'll be like no you fucking deserve something nice just like that's ending and it's because you have two older brothers. Oh my God that memo of like you gotta protect you and your sister did not get it. Like they thought their job was to toughen me up for the world and to this day. They did a good job. They're just they didn't really good. So is it Wegmans that actually inspired you the Ridiculousness of that story is I think it started a pattern where I was like weirdly obsessed with what make companies work. And then I think that if you factor that in with this like really unusual childhood of being this Outsider sort of like as I started to look at business when everybody else was running away, it was my signal to run in. Hmm and I became fearless and taking on the things that nobody else would take on and to me they were so obvious like Pharmaceuticals. Well, like female Viagra. Yeah, like the seriously there's 26 drugs for men but not a single one for women. I can't wait to start talking about this but I want to start I want to give I want to kind of do chronologically so people know how you got here because it's not like one day you woke up and you were like, hey, you know what? I'm not really feeling like having sex like that's really not even the story. So I had a professor who like new this Obsession of mine with businesses. Okay, so she would make me do an extra project where I would read about companies and Weren't like what made them great. So we have like a side project. I would you know read all the magazines come in and tell her and through that honest to God. I made a decision. I'm going to work for fortunes most admired company. It was it didn't matter what industry it was in or anything else. Like I'm going to go learn from the best at the time that best was Merc, which is a pharmaceutical company and I was Hell Bound and determined I'm hired by Merck and I think my professor got a little freaked out. She was like, yeah, you should probably send your resume out to a couple places. I'm like Merck and I got the job. And that's really what started it. Wow tunnel vision is like I want to be with the best want to learn from the best and I think the surprise for me was that I fell in love with the science interesting. How long were you at Merck for years as Merck where you got the idea to start now, it murk was the the training ground that said, holy shit. I can't be in a big environment. Like I need to be heard. I need them to do it my way and I was very clear very quickly that they were fortunes. Most of Marcus had a great PR Men, and I was a number and it was in take me a long time to be heard. And so I made this crazy decision to go to what at the time was a start-up right like way back before that was cool for startups were like the thing to be a part of okay. So this is a question that I've heard you ask a lot of people and so I want to flip it back on you and it's what was the first way that you ever thought about making money. Oh, yeah, or how did you ever first start making money? This is a question. You ask a lot of people that you hire honest I do I always ask. That question and can I tell a story first about somebody I just hired please so so it was great because I was asking this question. How'd you ever make money? And she said, you know like oh, I was a babysitter and she started telling great and then she's like, but that's not really the first way I made money. I'm like, ooh tell me and she said well when I was really little my mom had a garden and she would pick all the tomatoes and put them in a pretty basket and asked me to take him to the neighbor. She's like, but when I got there, I sold them and I was Hired Hustler tired. Love it right how she doing in the company number-one salesperson and and I call her I nicknamed everybody. So her nickname is heirloom tomatoes and like that. It says so much to me about like scrappiness, right? Like when are you starting to want to own it for yourself? It least to work in my company's you got to love that ownership piece. I think my earliest days money was probably a hustling my brothers. That's it. Hustle good hustle. Yeah, and I like how you've taken your team that you so that you love just so much because they're you've even had some like I mean, I know Nikki from the beginning. Yeah, but you took everybody to Zappos. Yes. And you said hey look Zappos is doing something right that I like. Yes. Learn what what happened there. And how do we find about? Well, we had this opportunity to do customer service. I know what like no pharmaceutical company does well customer service. No, you said I look around and I'm like well shit. Shit, we can't learn from anybody in our industry. Let's go learn from the best and so took the entire company out there and it really shaped our thinking it Curiosity has been the key right curiosity is everything to me. It tells me so much about a person in an interview and everything else. Like how do you go continually learn from the best which I swear to God. I was born out of the fact that every time I asked my parents for help with my homework, they would say the same forwards without fail. They would say what do you think interest which was infuriating like just help me? I need an a I want to win the science project whatever it was but my parents were never going to play into that. It was really about cultivating curiosity because they didn't give me the answer. I was going to have to go figure it out. I was probably going to get that answer from a bunch of different people and form my own opinion and it created this reels Independence and ownership that I think matters. Wait a second. So as like a almost new mom. Yes, I'm going to need to take that into you. We so quickly like we are especially parents right or I Watch and observe. I get it the temptation to be like here and let me help you with this and let me do that. And of course, right but at the same time like what is the moment where you really kind of force that creative Gene and a curiosity that's going to take them so much further in life. Wow, so much further. Wow, dropping knowledge or the baby was not even here ha ha ha enter. Yes. That's all I'm gonna say. What do you think? I love that so much. Okay. So now I want to talk about sprout. Yeah, I want to talk about a deal. Yeah, it's not I did not Viagra it's not but I want to talk about how you started it. What made you want to start Sprout? So I'd been in and explain Sprout. Yes. So Sprout has the fda's first and only pill for the most common form of female sexual dysfunction. What is it? It's that we actually have no desire for sex. And this is not a issue down there for us. This is a mental issue totally in the brain. So desire turns on in the brain and from desire you get aroused and hopefully you orgasm and but everything gets started for us in the brain for me. It was very scientific. I built a company with one of the male sexual drugs I built it. There were 26 of them for men 26 different options. So you built a 27th know that mine was one of the 26. Okay got it. So I'm you know building this company. I know this space really well the Jurors research women and men and I'm going how the hell is are not a single one for women despite the fact that the prevalence of this is the same as men having Ed but not a drug for us. You know, why because we say, oh one doesn't matter if a woman is having satisfying sex. You can have sex whether or not it's pleasurable. Right? And the second is oh, it's just just had a bath just drink a glass of wine. Just go on vacation. We chalk so much up to psychology that we will Pletely Overlook biology and women and I knew biologically that women who had this condition had a biological basis for it. And I knew it because there's brain scans show that so to me again everybody runs away not because the science wasn't spectacular but because of the societal narrative that they know is going to stand in the way of progress because yet again, we're just the problem. Yeah, and we have a we say we have a problem but nobody wants to fix it except for Cindy Eckert. So but how did you take Sprout? Yeah and sell it for a billion. Because that to me, I mean I you and I have sat down personally you've told me about the the the woes of actually getting the 1 billion. Yes, but can you tell everybody and that's front so it was actually an incredible path to break through with the first-ever drug for female pleasure. And so it was crazy to go through this path and the path wasn't straight because the FDA turned us down and then I disputed the FDA. So I fought the government fought the government because we had 13,000 women worth of data in which we had met our endpoints and double-blinded placebo-controlled trials, right? It's scientific to me and yet again, this narrative was keeping the blinders on and when I won it I think all of the big guys who would have never taken this on were like, holy shit. Holy shit. Who is this lady? Fortuna T is extraordinary, right? So they were you getting phone calls left and right at that point as soon As soon as the signal was there that the FDA was going to prove holy cow They Came Calling. They were at my doorstep the minute. I disputed the government. So rewind a little bit back and here we are this little company, you know that nobody's ever heard of Nightline showed up at the front door. Are you kidding they did because who is taking on the government at for about female sexual pleasure? And what was so funny? I tell the story all the time at the company was on the 10th floor of this building and I had this great band of like, you know, the little company that could and literally right after night line shows up like the next Monday. Everybody's going up the elevators and people are like I know what you do on the 10th floor now, there are so freaked out. That's true you right here knew what was the first offer that you got money wise? Oh, yeah. It was 200 million were like 200 million. Please please I will tell you this one is so there were three different parties that that were really sort of all jockeying for it and at the final the one who became the Victor gave a nine hundred million dollars. Offer and I said, well that doesn't have a be on the end of it. Did you say it with the laughter in your voice and click by I was gonna do it myself. I knew its value like the reality is I didn't pull a fast one. It was worth like the category for the ED drugs the same prevalence of condition as this condition for women. It's a five six billion dollar category. Globally. This drug has extraordinary potential. So I was Going to have them get a bargain. Like are you kidding? You're going to pay me a million up front and then pay me Downstream. But then that is what have you had fun. I have to tell you what are the odds that confidence. The one of the offers came and one of the most funds they had flown down the companies based in Raleigh. Like we were in some, you know conference room at a hotel and they were so proud they're going to make us this offer and they vary dramatically like made this offer and they said we're gonna let you all consider it and I was in there with lawyers and everything else and they walked The other room and I looked around the table and I said, okay, they walk back in five minutes get up walk out and I had a big binder of like all our accolades all our press everything else and so they came back in and I said, thank you very much. I'm so flattered by that offer. We're going to do it by ourselves and we get up like I'm looking everybody get up team go and one lawyer is with me and she keeps going the binder the binder leave it leave it leave it. So what is she walked out? And why did I leave the binder? Because it's going to make them call me back and that's who calls you back and they called me back and they're like we have your binder. I'm like, oh no, it's okay. You keep it. It's all for you and they kept going back. We should really give you the binder back. I knew the door was open and we were going to continue the conversation. It's all about strategy. Got to negotiate. You gotta know what you have and you gotta be a little bit reluctant always I think to give it up. What does it feel like now to actually know that you got through this process and you did it by yourself. I don't that's as such. A good question. I honestly think I haven't processed all of it. I woke up the next day. I sold it for billion dollars. Everybody said what happened? I woke up the next day. I'm still Cindy Eckert like I still get up and go to work. It's what I love to do and my financial guy showed up not that long ago for a meeting in the office. And he said, well you live in the same house and you drive the same car and he looks me cuz and I'm pretty sure you were wearing that the last time I saw you awesome, so we're good and I think You know, you have more zeros in the bank account, but you still want to do the things that set you on fire. It's not like you saw the billion and he thought oh, I'm going to retire and buy an island. Are you kidding? I would be that would be deadly like what the fuck would I be doing. There's too much work to be done and and a long time ago. I think I decided my work is my hobby my hobbies my work. I love what I do. Okay. I want to talk about people like you. I know this is I mean thank God you didn't retire because I wouldn't be getting the inside scoop on so many things let's talk about That s word sex. Well as I am about sex baby, I mean you get to talk about it every day. I do my publicist tells me to stop talking about it. Don't don't do it. It's always my secret every time I'm asked to quit an interview like what's your secret to this what you see you every time Universal answer sex. Yeah. I mean XX like it's very important part of yeah anybody's life and you know in my relationship it's important and I've talked about that openly and and I think There's nothing wrong with talking about sex. Absolutely, but I think the worst thing that we can do is not talk about it. Especially when we're talking about HSS D. Yeah, which I had no idea was was even a situation. Can you explain what a d actually does so so for some women they lose interest in having sex. They were one's happy with it something changed and that changed your point is causing them a lot of distress like if it breaks down, Down in the bedroom. It probably has broken down across the breakfast table. They're less connected. And by the way, even forget the partner Dynamic like they've lost their Moxie of how they show up in the world. And so for that group of women, what we have learned is that there can be your brain is basically working against you when it comes to sex. So we're very animalistic when we have sex. We need like this perfect balance of excitement and inhibition and what our brain actually does is it shuts down. If you watch on brain scan images when people have sex they sort of like they turn everything off like by to-do list by this worried by work, whatever it may be so that I can have sex. Well, I have to have like a really great orgasm 8 write it down, but for some women they lose because of an imbalance in the brain. They can't shut it down and what they describe is they actually will say like women with this conditional say I'm lying in bed and I'm going I got to do this tomorrow. I got to do that to her and I know we're all were busy. Z right, but they really something has changed. They know it the switch turned off. And so what a d does is it works to restore the balance so that you're receptive again, like you have that biological drive you once did and what it isn't is like I'm gonna pop a pill I'm going to see a hot waiter and be like you me let's go right. It's like all of a sudden women in our trials Coke. I had a fantasy can't remember the last time I had a fantasy wait. Okay, so the symptom is actually called hypoactive sexual. Will desire syndrome disorder disorder? Yes, and how did you even find out about this? It's been in a medical literature for four decades for 30 years 40 years that it was first characterized in 1977, but nobody wanted to fix it. Correct did women I mean you were talking about this earlier? I was like, oh go take a hot bath. Yeah. I have a glass of wine. Yes. What like, how did you even get into the sex world? I'm Irish Catholic need I say more. Actually sex scientifically sex is so cool because we have learned so much and actually medically if we look at Medical advances in the last couple decades, the biggest Advance has been brain scan Imaging so for conditions that are affect the mind the brain like now of us and we can see so what do I mean take a woman with the normal of them flow of Desire? Sometimes she's not in the mood honey, not tonight. But like, you know, she's likes their level of Desire take a woman with a STD put them both in an MRI expose them to some kind of erotic stimuli their partner porn, whatever it may be brains light up totally differently totally differently. So you see in these women that their brain isn't quieting to have sex and for me in black and white science had already given us the answer like we knew that this was outside of her control and the fact that what we were doing is saying, oh I sex your lingerie. Oh read Fifty Shades of Grey was so obnoxious to me. It's so dismissive of what we know scientifically and then I got on my horse and rode. Hey, so no way are we going to let that be the State of the State for women weren't take it. Seriously. I'm sure a lot of women are praising your name right now, like Susan said and partners. I did not care about this drug. It's like if you They cared about having sex so much. Why do you care about the person you're having sex with? Yeah, what's funny is I just had a doctor described it to me this way. She said she'd put a patient on a d they walked back into her office and she said and the minute she walked in just like I knew it was working because she was just showing up different right she was back in that, you know the next game because if our ceiling at first I thought oh a d it makes you wet, you know, yeah. Yeah, and it's not a brothel arousal. It's not about that. It's a mental. Ality, and if I really think about the times where I just did not want to have sex. Yeah, it was a mental thing. It wasn't because of what's Happening below my belly button. It's that's right, or I could just say vagina. It's actually my podcast. Vajayjay. I think partially the reference that we were female Viagra which the media like ran with and it's delicious like two words. The context was right. This was a breakthrough for women and for us to get many more options for our sexual, you know dysfunctions, Bedroom if things go wrong, but Edie and Viagra is a mechanical like hydraulic lift issue. That's all it is. The truth is if men don't have desire Viagra won't work. Desires the starting Place desire do you get aroused or erect do you orgasm like when you study sex you actually look at it that way. Did you actually sires what starts it starts here fixing the first problem? It's pretty go. I'm so now you're a vocal advocate for women's rights to desire, which I had no idea. It was even something that you could be an advocate for. Can you explain what that all looks like? We ran out of this and I for me, it's we have a right to desire. We have a the World Health Organization says that sexual health is a basic human, right? And it's really just taken on what I think is the last taboo and for me if Look at the conversation we have about women and sex we swirl around reproduction. Oh my God, go forward and backward and forward and backward and like my my theory is if we own it all the way through to pleasure. We'd actually finished all the nonsense and women have to own it all the way through to pleasure. We have to own that right to desire because when we go to the bedroom, sometimes we go to make a baby, but I hope all the time we go for pleasure. Yes, and why the hell Don't we talk about it? Why don't we have an honest conversation? We know by all the data how many women this affects where they lose interest and it's important like it's important to your sexual health. There were having the full conversation and it's so when I talk to women I have to tell you first time I had an event around it a woman raised her hand at the end. She said I guess I don't have a question. I have more of a comment she said until tonight. I think I never considered that I have a right to desire. Isn't that interesting and it was so I mean it's exactly what this is all about. It's about why aren't we talking about this? Why is it the last taboo? Like, it's not a sensational conversation. It's just a evidence-based conversation so that if your girlfriend looks at you and says like hey, it's not doing it anymore. Do you still do and they're brave enough to bring that up? We don't pat her on the shoulder and say it's just a phase pass. What you're doing is reinforcing this societal narrative that it doesn't really count like the answer is hey can be a real thing. Like it's possibly treatable. Maybe you need it. Maybe you don't but you should talk to somebody about it. Is this where you started the hashtag Woman On Top? Yes. And what is women what women on women women on top? Yes, I mean women on top for me is you know, when I sold this business here, I am that one of the hardest moments is if you can do nothing or you could do everything. Do you do and I had this opportunity to do something and for me it was about I knew having lived the incredible double standard of having a drug for men and trying to get a drug for women approved that my work going forward would be advocacy for women and I was going to reach my hand back. I was going to get other women there faster than I got there myself and women on top is like literally figuratively like, you know, I'm known for getting female Viagra. So I like women on top and that way but I also want On top and business how the hell does 2% 2% of all venture money go to women. Half the population has two percent of the good ideas ridiculous and I didn't get money when I showed up to raise money for female Viagra. They laughed me out of the room. How did you get the money? I told every single person I would meet in any elevator or anything else what I was trying to do and one conversation led to two friends who led to four friends who led to another circle in my investor group is entirely made up of high net worth individuals and family offices. I never got Venture money. Never got Venture money and I reached a hundred million dollars that way which is you know what the path wasn't available to me. So I made a New Path. This is my mentor the occur. Just want to let you guys know that goals. It's crazy that's insane, which is thin like become, you know this secret weapon because now I get so excited and I invest in female entrepreneurs and the system is overlooking them I go to this whole national network. I'm like, hey, I'm really excited about this. You should take a look and I typically can help them raise all their money. And that kind of brings me to these all these crazy comments that you've heard ya like what what do we need a bunch of horny women running around for when I write a comment wait. Yes. That was my starting point. What do we need a bunch of horny women running around for if that doesn't tell you everything in terms of our psychology on how much it actually matters and let me tell you this. I have been fortunate that thousands of women have told me their story back to the comments that We're hearing just you know about why would we want a bunch of horny women running around? What was that? Like the can you imagine a scene that about men by the way? Let me give a tale of two Sexes. Yep. So Viagra went to the FDA and guess what they decided. It met such an important unmet medical need that they fast-tracked its approval it got approved in six months. That's if the pill was blue if the pill is pink six years the double standard. And those comments say everything about really how we feel about you know, whether or not it matters. If a woman is sexually satisfied. Why don't they want to sexually satisfy? I think it's terrifying. I think powerful women are terrifying to the fabric of society at large. I think a powerful woman completely in control of her, you know, sexual satisfaction pleasure is terrifying. The reality is like the women who I've talked to over all of these years. Is they love their Partners their married? They've been married a long time. They may have been dealing with this for a long time. They really are happy with their Partners, but this is going wrong and it's causing everything else to unravel. This isn't about like some kind of it's so it makes me irate that everybody thinks like, oh it's a pill and it so you created a bunch of nymphomaniacs, right? That's one thing. I know not how it works not never going to happen. Oh, I love this that every man when I was going through this single a The time would say female Viagra. I'm female Viagra to which I would look at them after and I would say oh if I had a nickel for every time I heard that I would have had to sell my company for a billion dollars. Thanks. I want to talk now like you sold everything for a billy sold this company for a billion. But now you have the pinky Bator. I do the pink seal. Yes, and what are you doing? Explain it? I think ceiling for everybody so It's you know, put my money where my mouth is. I invest in companies buyer for women. We have a couple guys they're doing great stuff for women mostly female Founders and it's the things that are the breakthroughs like the first the things that everybody else is scared of and run away from and really things that will take on I think important social change so examples we have this technology. We've talked about it a bunch. We're literally dip my finger in the drink touch this disc 30 seconds. It tells me if there's a date rape drug in that drink. And that is so important so important. So in a college campuses, oh my gosh. I have two nieces one still on a college campus like can't get it there fast enough. Is this our we can we buy this yet? You can't it's called sip chip. Oh, that's so interesting. So literally it's just a nail polish. You can put it on like your thumb or pinky or whatever. So you put it on a keychain or on the back of your phone touch your finger just literally a droplet of water on it and it runs the test. Oh yes today. Okay. What else are you excited about? I'm excited about this flushable. See test. Oh, that's it in the whole world sort of go walks away, you know the classic like VCS or going in. I don't know. It's a niche market. You're like really a pregnancy test has a niche market and it's a huge market and so cool this founder. Her name is Bethany Bethany and an Our co-founders and you know, she said, why does 80% of a pregnancy test today have to be plastic and I love her Reverend like what the fuck why does it have to be that like not in my world? You know, she's very Eco conscious and then what ended up Up happening is I think the conversation went and why isn't it completely our discretion how discreet that it is? Why is it that every ad I see is only smiley face when that's not always the desired outcome and even to your point on fertility, like think about compassionately and infertility patient who doesn't want to walk into her bathroom open-heart reminded that she's not pregnant again. I mean, it's just so cool. These are the kind of ideas that I look. Or his innovating that product available right now to coming. Okay. It's kind of called Leah Leah L. IA L IA. Yes, that's going to be that's a great product is huge. I know that like the pregnancy test companies are like, oh shit. Oh shit because she's disruptive. I mean, it's so difficult into that market. Yeah, I've called you and I remember I was at a pool and it was like a hot day and where I was outside and I was like Cindy I'm about to do a deal. Yeah, and this company was a Give me you know, they only want to give me 20% and they want to give me a salary of whatever it was. But they're going to give me a certain percentage of the company and you started just asking me questions. You didn't tell me what to do. But you were this incredible Mentor that I needed to just hear from because I have two teams that work with me and reality. We all really truly work together. But yeah when you're in your own world sure it's one piece of advice you get but then when I get to step outside of my work. And talk to my mentors Sunday. It was like I got a whole new different perspective and and you're really truly about female mentorship absolute and is are you doing a lot of that through the pink seal you or is it something that's also side? No, I do it through the pink sea lion. I mean I the coolest job people come to me every day with you know, game-changing ideas or this desire to step up in a way and so like that's what I should be doing, you know haven't gotten to this outcome. This should not be a lonely Club. There should not be just a handful of women who sold a company for a billion dollars that's bullshit. And so my goal is I this my favorite thing of building companies is this everybody who came worked for me was an owner they had skin in the game and when we got to these huge outcomes, they had transformational events and that multiplier effect of ownership. I've watched how they've gone on what their kids do now how they make decisions differently. And so really it's like creating a pink Army, how am I gonna get other people? To these big exits and they're going to pay it forward and suddenly it's the next group and the next group and the next group and you know, I look at a Bethany with Leah and she will get to a big outcome and she will bring the next woman. They're right behind her and that's what I'd love to do. That's fantastic. There's a quote that I love in your Ted Talk. You say empathy is the DNA of a female rule breaker. Yeah. What do you mean? So look, I think there are all of these roles in society and there are the rules of Law & Order that we all have to follow and then there's all these Unwritten rules. There are many many more Unwritten rules for women and I actually think that they get really pissed about something that's either affected them or others and that's when they start Breaking All the Rules and they break all the rules that don't make sense and it's informed entirely by empathy. It's about that feeling of the impact that they're going to have on others and I really think honestly as I look forward to you know, what does the C Suite look like moving forward and businesses we Everything to the spreadsheet and you know what the most important characteristic in the leader is going to be empathy because they got to actually get through all the spreadsheets and just apply the human component to it. It's so true and women are successful season. I know her whole story is behind the business or company that she has created because she's been pissed off or she needed his still fill the void the issue. Yeah. That's kind of rule breaker. Wow, do they don't do it for the power for the whatever and I think if we look at some of the people, you know and classical kind of CEO of you imagine a picture of that. I don't know if you would under think that that was their motivation but I would challenge you just like you said look at any sort of female. Well, I'm figure out that story why she doesn't make sense because I mean I filled the void, you know with lingerie. I filled it like there's certain things. I've seen even just for myself and I've gone I'm like, oh no, I don't like that. Let's do this instead, but And it works sure fill a void for something that you truly want in life, but in filling a void and being powerful and bold and strong you need money. Yeah, you do. Yes you do and you talked a lot about tax money. I take it all on let's just call the damn taboos. I've told this story honestly, like after I sold this company for a billion dollars. He a decade like head down doing the work. I'd built and built and sold the male company. Then I built this company. I sold it and all Listen, I'm getting these invitations to go out and speak and a woman had seen me a couple times and she came up to me and she said I love that you never say how much you sold your business for and literally the next time I got on stage. I said hi. I'm Cindy Eckert and I sold my last company for a billion dollars because I knew what what am I I'm playing into this like taboo of women talking about money, you know money is a currency to do a lot of good and we About this women need a voice. I don't need a voice any power and money is that power money is power to make the decisions about the things I want to see in this world. And when I get to sit on this side of the table, then I get to invest in the things that everybody else said was just a niche market and didn't really matter. Power you got to talk about the billions baby sex billions. I mean, can we write a show around sex drugs and a billion dollars wait, you've said that before and I hope that you're working on that book. I'm not but I need to Cindy. Okay. Can we write? What do I say? Okay, so talk about being bold and underestimated and being Fearless a lot, but I want to know what was your boldest move you ever made in your life. And it can be even Beyond career. Yeah, I got to tell you it's hard to top taking on the government. Honestly, like I don't know you wake up one day and say hey, I'm going to dispute the government. It's funny. I got this decision that they weren't going to approve the drug. And the decision was that it didn't make sense based on all of the data. And so I get this decision and I literally had to go into the company and tell everybody that we thought I was blindsided like we done all the work we'd met. The goals what and and I can remember like telling the whole company and everybody looking at me like oh shit. Well, this is it. You know, we're going home. It's a Friday. We're going home and working on our resumes because I had no recourse. It's the government and they make the decision and literally I went home. I cried it out. I woke up the next day went back to my inbox and I started reading all the letters that women were writing me. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for letting me know. I'm not alone keep the faith and then I'm popped up and she said I know what's going on. I was in your trials. I have to tell you my story and so I went to meet with her and she came in and I've told this story a million times but it was such a huge moment for me because I could see her coming a mile away in charge type a walking in and she said you should beautiful boy. She ran her own company and she looked at me she had this condition. She said I've succeeded in every aspect of my life other than this. And for me I said that's it. Like that's the portrait of a woman. She's raise your hand a thousand times that something's different. Something's wrong. Something's changed and she been patted on the shoulder and dismissed and we were just marginalizing what was going on for her. So I said can I show you something and I literally pop open and start showing her the brain scans because I'm such a geek and when I'm doing this, she's like left the conversation and she's crying and in that minute I decided that's it. That's why I'm doing this. I went in on Monday morning. I I told the company I'm going to dispute the FDA and they were like really I called The Road Less Traveled, but that was bold. I was going to take them on and I was going to take them on because of that woman his that's why we were doing it and we had data and 13,000 of her and we were getting in our own way of looking at the scientific answer because of all of the narrative around female sexuality. Wow, that's awesome. And and you've had to fight against so many. Men, and I think that there's a lot of women out there that want to know in this advocacy for women. How do you fight against the man and the power and what's your advice to them? I think he got a own the competence. You got this, you know it like I would walk into these rooms and I anticipated I didn't look the part. I'm showing up in hot pink. I'm talking about women facts, right? Like if you say aye if Pharmaceuticals CEO sold their last business or billion dollars. I do not come to mind and I think at some point actually anticipating it was my weapon because I knew they were going to underestimate me and I was going to fucking kill it with competence because I knew my stuff and I knew it better than any one of them and I could go toe-to-toe on any wet. And it kind of became the gamification of it like oh watch this right this the it's really fun. And I think for all women I talk to female entrepreneurs about this a lot is leverage the element of surprise. If you actually have the expectation you don't you're not surprised if somebody doesn't take you seriously is under estimating you which will make you like either get frustrated or whatever. It may be or you'll start to doubt yourself and you can't let that happen. You can't let that happen. But every I know everything absolutely before you walk in and be and don't be surprised don't be surprised it's funny because you're about to surprise them. Like they have a little bit of fun with it. I love the guy. Guys who like absolutely laughed me out of the room and now call me up in there. Like hey Cindy, can I get in on that deal and like there has to be a little bit of pain before I let them in but of course they can get on the deal because that's change its not bad. They were bad guys. They just had blinders on and I gave him a billion reasons to believe literally. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up wearing pink give these these meetings because this is your uniform it is I've never not seen you ha Of a pink shirt dress except when you put me in a bra on Gene exactly wasn't a pink right wasn't how important is the Persona of who you are on the outside a part of your brand and how does that how does that play into the pink ceiling? So pink for me is irreverent pink is surprised because we have so many associations with pink right? It's week. It's this it's whatever it's fluffy and Really? What happened is when I was going through with what was called the little pink pill people would say. Oh that's so cute. And when they said that I thought oh no and I started showing up in this color at meetings at the FDA in the audience. Like hi. I guess we're going to talk about today. And so I really think it's a choice. I love pink by the way, like if you go back in my childhood, I can't find a picture what I'm not in pink. So we really authentic so it's been useful. I want love it love pink. Love embracing the femininity of it never thought I should change that to be more masculine to succeed in a man's world bullshit. And I think that the pink really was that shift in the discussion on the pink pill from underestimated to Unapologetic like we have so many gender stereotypes and I think what happens is we run away like to try to prove like, we're not that we're not weak. We're not this and actually the different decision is just go right for it because that's what you should be talking. About that's so interesting Own It own it honey. And then here you are. You're wearing pink. You got a pink pill. You've got a pink company and people dying any car. You don't know I know but you do have pink pigs. I do that's true. Just like a fun little, you know, tidbit about Miss Cindy. I have I have a picture when you walk into our office that we like graffitied and it was Cowboys scrape shit from your boots before entering. Which is like just funny to me for some reason once upon a time. It went out the back door of my little company when I first started my first startup and now it says cowgirl scrape shit from your boots. And I think it is about like that groundedness, right the pigs for me like so got a scrape shit for my boots when I come in from spending time with them and I think that's important. It's all about hard work. It is the hard work. It's about making sure that you don't give up on yourself ever ever and it's about asking for help. Yes, and knowing that your nose can always turn into guesses. Yes, for sure. You know, I think people would be surprised if they just asked how many people would say yes to helping them. I think we're scared to ask often. I think it's an imposition or whatever. It may be. They go in with a really specific accurate. Really. I got an ask the other day on Instagram like somebody deemed me and said I really want to come work for you. I said great send me your resume. She works for me now in New York City. What's your Instagram again? Grab Cindy pink CEO? You go guys you can DM San Diego right you that's right. Okay. So something I like to do at the end of every pretty big deal episode is a film the blankets are it's our lightning round of it. Okay? Okay. So you fill in the blank. I pretty much always drink iced tea, you are southern girl. I love it. I mean for himself that it could always get it. What's the biggest lesson you've learned in the past year to be open to love? Oh and Cindy's in Engaged what's the biggest deal you've ever made? I mean, I know it's hard to not say that. Yeah. Yeah, you made a billion dollar deal. I mean, although that's a pretty big deal girl. Okay, so obviously you're a pretty big deal, but I want to know what is a pretty big deal to you a pretty big deal to me. Is that women find a way to own it find a way to own a piece of the value that you're creating? World however, it is that's a really that's pretty big deal to me. Wow, and I feel like when you just said that to me, it wasn't just about financial, but it was also emotional it is wow. That's good Own It Cindy. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Thank you guys so much for joining us on pretty big deal here with Cindy Eckert and you can go on Instagram and Twitter at pretty big deal pod. Make sure you guys all your comments and questions because we're going to be getting into them. Thanks for listening guys. Pretty big deal is produced by pretty big deal Productions and obb sound.

Ashley Graham sits down with Cindy Eckert, self-made CEO and advocate for women. Cindy is the powerhouse behind Addyi aka The Little Pink Pill — or to some, Female Viagra. In the past 10 years, Cindy has sold two pharmaceutical companies. Her most recent sale, Sprout Pharmaceuticals, went for a whopping $1 BILLION. And if that wasn’t impressive enough, Cindy and her shareholders reacquired the company two years after selling — FOR FREE! Cindy is also the creator of The Pink Ceiling aka The Pinkubator — a fund that supports businesses made by or for women. In this episode, we talk about entrepreneurship, the woman’s right to desire, the true reason behind Cindy’s signature hot pink wardrobe, and so much more. HOST: Ashley Graham GUEST: Cindy Eckert EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Ashley Graham, Penni Thow, Scooter Braun EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Michael D. Ratner, Scott Ratner, Miranda Sherman PRODUCED BY Pretty Big Deal Productions, OBB Picture & OBB Sound CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Kelsey McWilliams, Ava Coleman DIRECTED BY: Kaliya Warren WRITER: Ava Coleman LINE PRODUCER: Jess Vogel ASSOCIATE PRODUCER: Ilyssa Walker RESEARCHER: Shahnaz Mahmud SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER: Natasha Janardan DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY: Katherine Castro PRODUCTION DESIGNER: Lauren Nester EDITORS: Crystal Arnette, Lucy Tatiana Morales MAIN TITLE THEME BY: Johannes Raassina, Lefteris Ioannou POST PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR: Jess Vogel COLORIST: Marika Litz SOUND MIXER: James Sparber TITLE THEME PRODUCER: Johannes Raassina KEY PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Julissa Ramirez PRODUCTION SOUND: Kit Jirles ADDITIONAL SOUND RECORDIST: Deanne Williams ART DIRECTOR: Laura Miller PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Catrina Kokkoris DATA MANAGEMENT: Melissa Bueno-Werner PRODUCTION ASSISTANTS: Masha Zhak, Adam Duplechain.

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Then you're in the right place. I'm dishing out everything. You need to go For Broke too. Bougie first class to world class. If you're a hashtag life goals involve a luxury travel and being the boss of your own life. They get ready to embrace your mindset magic and manifestation Powers. Let's do this. Oh my God. Hello, how are you guys? It's your girl like a lot teaching you how to manifest your next level X life Welcome Back to the podcast. I've been gone for a long fucking time. Oh my goodness. You guys I just did like a Mini World Tour practically. Okay, not actually and being really dramatic, but I was in Cancun. I was hosting a client event. I flew out my PR and brand manager with me. It was so much fun. We got a lot of business done. A lot of play done a lot of drinking done. I saw DJ Pauly D. I saw Vinny. We saw people from The Challenge like it was I saw Swahili from Rae Sremmurd like it was a quick famous moment, and I'm going to be recording a so episode about all of the lessons that I've been learning on my travel on my Mini World Tour and that you guys will have next week, but I have a great great interview today with my friend Erica and we're talking A lot about Spirit guides Angel guides how we can use them to help us manifest. We're going to get a little we're going to get pretty spiritual today. And I think you guys are going to like it. But yeah, I've been on this world tour. It's been crazy. So I was in Palm Spring or not. Then I was in Palm Springs wait rewind okay Cancun and then I came home for like 36 hours and then immediately flew to Palm Springs. I went for a mastermind event, but I went a couple of days early because I needed a little detox. I And at this cute little Golf Resort, it was really nice. The bartender is were amazing finessed free drinks out of a ton of random men, you know a good situation. We all love that even finessed a free dinner with such a good time. And so I did that and then I met up with the girls my Mastermind. We stayed at this super cute Villa that my coach amberle Lions the Shocker girl booked for all of us and then we got down and dirty and did the work so it's been a crazy. Like two weeks. I got home like two days ago for the first time since the 15th of the month, which was so weird. And now I'm back in full swing back at work literally going to school later today and getting back on the podcast game. Okay. So while I was traveling I wasn't podcasting because I forgot my headphones at home and then I sat down to record this intro and realize they were in one of my fucking like travel pouches. I'm so upset like I was like, Oh my God, I want to put up Podcast episodes. But like I don't have my microphone and I didn't want to be like screaming. It's my computer for these intros and then I realized that I did pack my headphones and didn't realize it. So for that I do apologize and I've missed you guys so much. I've missed podcasting. I love just sitting down and talking to you about my thoughts about what's going on in my head and I literally have so much to update you guys on that's why I'm going to do a solo episode about everything. I've been learning and processing and that will be out on Tuesday, but you guys You to hear it from my friend Erica first. So let's get to the important thing. So this week spiritual Splurge is kind of the shit and I'm really excited about it. So my spiritual Splurge for you guys is a new deck and this is a duck that my masseuse has because every time I go to get my massage, we pull a card or two sometimes three if we're feeling crazy and then she sets them up while we're while she's giving me the massage and she has this new deck and it's called The bad bitch affirmation cards, I can't think of anything more on brand than that. Like honestly and the box is pink. It's super cute. She said it's from Australia. So it took a couple weeks to come in the mail but it is so cute and the cards I pulled I pulled one. That was I'm committed to making my dreams fucking happen. And then the other one what was that? It was like the universe can't give you what you want. If you don't know what you want or something. So they were really cute super on brand. I'm going to link them up below. So you guys It's can grab them. I'm going to be ordering them for myself soon. 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So you need to get your booty in. All right. With that being said, let's kick off this episode. Let's listen to Erica all of her amazing knowledge all the spirituality things and I will talk to you soon. Hey guys, welcome back to the podcast. We have a really exciting guest here today. It's an interview that has been a long time coming from lots of rescheduling but we have Erika Russo here and she's a psychic medium and a spirit. Junkie helping you to live your life in alignment and expand your Consciousness and she encourages her audience to follow their own intuition and connect their own Spirit to be their own Guru, which is just the best thing you can do is look inwards so welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for having me Michaela and I am so happy. We're finally doing this we to I'm so excited to have you on so we're just going to kick it off with some speed dating questions. If you're ready. I am so ready. Perfect. What's your horoscope sign? I am an aquarius but I am on the cusp of Pisces. So I am the last day of Aquarius. Okay, Enter. Yeah, it is and are you a morning or a night person? I'm definitely a morning person. Okay, tell us about your morning practice then so I do not start my day until I do a quick 15-minute meditation. I don't even get out of my bed before I do a meditation. Quick grounding and protection and then I always get up before my children before my husband and I will have my coffee in peace. I will do my gratitude journal and I will pull a card for myself to see kind of what the energy of the day is going to be like for myself and that really helps me really kind of just stay aligned throughout the day. Totally. I think I'm morning practice is like the most powerful thing you can do and I actually have a follow-up question for So like when you wake up and you do your meditation before you even get out of bed, how do you not fall back asleep? Because like I always fall back asleep. I don't get out of bed to do it. Well, yeah, that's I know a lot of people a problem, but honestly, I've just always been really like as soon as I wake up. I'm up. I know that so many people like need to like get five minutes and or something but I've just always been it's always been easy for me to just get Get up and start my day. I know it's like my husband cannot do this for the life of him and he can and he can't meditate before he goes to bed either in like for me. It's not a problem interesting. Like I literally always fall asleep. When I do it. I'll be like, okay. I'm going to get up at 6:00 would meditate for 15 and then I wake up and it's like 7:30 and I'm like wait what I'm like, I thought it was meditating. Well, that's obviously a sign that Doing it well, and you're getting relaxed. You know what I know. So that's how I'm gonna take it back. Don't take it. I'm sorry doing it, right, you know and but your gratitude journaling do you just write out a list of gratitude? You have a specific Journal that you use I have the five-minute journal and oh, it's a really it was like something that like just popped up in my feed one day and I just saw and it's just filled with like all quotes and it's it is kind of it's basically a gratitude journal and it's like but you only choose like the three things that you're grateful for what you want to manifest that day. You know what your daily affirmation is and I really really I've been using it for over a year now and I really enjoy it. A lot of people I know will just do like a gratitude journal and like just full-blown like right everything that they're grateful for for a minute and I can't really do that. I like to focus Sound like three things and just kind of have my mind set for the day. I like that. I like to do gratitude at night. So it's interesting to hear you say that you do it in the morning. I think that's also a good idea. Maybe that's something I can incorporate into morning and night routines and just see extra grateful grateful. Yeah. This is a really this one's a really good Journal because it's like you do. I think it's like it takes me like all of three minutes in the morning and then at night they have a night. Auction and it says like yeah like three things that happen that are really good today. It's a really really nice nice journal to have because it's like a full day's worth of gratitude. Hmm. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll definitely link that in the show notes for anybody who's curious. I will look up a link and order it myself. Yeah, it's really great. Cool. Okay moving on. What is it favorite place that you've ever traveled to this one was hard. This one is Play hard. I haven't really to be completely honest. I really haven't left the United States so much, you know, I would and Aruba and those were beautiful, but honestly, there is some magic in Sedona, Arizona. Oh, I've heard the best things. Yeah. It really just it is such an intense and powerful and beautiful place and it's so extremely healing and I can't say enough nice things about Sid. Dona mmm. Okay. And also I love these that Aruba because I've seen like three people go to Aruba this week alone. And then you just mentioned it and now I feel like I need to go kill. Yeah, I think like that's like the universe saying that's your next like your spring breaks up or something. I don't even know I'm traveling like twice a month every month for the rest of the year. And so I'm like, I have no room to fit an extra trim. So I'm like, what does this mean? Wow? Oh my gosh, I'll have to think about that. It's so weird you brought it up. But back is the donut. What's your favorite thing to do while you're there? Honestly just be completely present. There's so much stuff to do there. There's there's just so much there's so much sightseeing and honestly the best thing to do is just to embrace being in such a spiritual place. Right? Like it's just you don't need to do much. You just need to be by yourself. And like go within and that is something that like I said, there's so much to do in Sedona, but it's always like you are going to like one of the most spiritual places on Earth just be by yourself. Just embrace it just notice everything be mindful of the beautiful scenery and everything that it has to offer. Oh my God, I need to go that also needs to be on the list amazing. Okay. What's the coolest? They knew from manifested. Oh my gosh, so I would have to say the coolest thing that I manifested was basically moving from Arizona to New York with basically no money. Oh my God what? Hi I'm telling you. It was like insane like we just I moved to Arizona for like a quick 14 months spur and we just did not like it. It wasn't Sedona. It was actually Tucson, but that's you know, if you're there and we were just me and my husband were just totally miserable and we just kind of set this intention that we wanted to move back to, you know, New York and tri-state area and we somehow just manifested selling our house right our house within two days of being on the market. Oh my God, it was insane. It was crazy and moving like setting this intention and then basically being back home in New York within five weeks. Holy shit. Yeah, I know people yeah, it was really and now like now that we're more open to it in our Consciousness and we're aware. We were just definitely like we were just talking about this and we were like, we definitely like manifested the crap out of that kids. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, we're like some of the I guess action steps and like spiritual steps you took for that to happen. Honestly, we just we just made up our minds. We just yeah, we did not question it. We did not question. You know should we stay should we go we were just like so dead set on going, you know coming back to the east coast and there wasn't like anything holding us back. It was like a pure driving force and we couldn't Get over like literally we I was shocked when we got the call two days after we it was the second person that looked at our house and they put in an offer above asking so incredible and I love that. You said that because one thing I've been trying to talk a lot more about recently is just deciding like deciding. There's no other option than this working, you know, so powerful it really is. Is it really is it's our thoughts are powerful powerful manifest errs, and we have to be so cautious of our thoughts. Yeah, love that kind of different term or different different. I don't know where I was going that I don't know. We're going down a different path. Now only forgot the word. I was going over taking a turn. That's where I'm trying to get out. Okay. What's your favorite luxury Splurge, but do you love to spend? Money on. Oh gosh. Hi, honey. Hey, you know my favorite thing that I bought for myself was my hot pink Kate Spade bag, and this is love that ago, but it was it's such a cute bag and I'm like obsessed with it still but honestly, I'm an eyelash extension girl. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I stopped for a while. I used to get them for a while and then I stopped and then I just realized and how much better I feel when I wake up and oh my goodness. My mom was getting them for a while and she liked them and they started to fall off but I don't think she went somewhere. That was all that great. Yeah. Yeah. That's the biggest problem with the Lash extensions. Is that like when they start to fall off they can get a little annoying but it's still like you still just have to look in the mirror and be like, I still look good. Yeah. I'm looking amazing. Yeah, exactly so good. Okay. What? Favorite book. Oh my gosh. This is a hard one. So I want to say for spirituality. I would have to say the seat of the Soul by Gary's you cough. I've never heard of that one. What's it about it is this is one that like Oprah swears by this is like this is the one that really opened my eyes to you know reincarnation and how we're all souls and it just really yeah. It's it's it was my gate opener. So to speak and I like always when everyone talks about, you know, spiritually Awakening or a book. I always say just start with seat of the Soul because it is an amazing amazing book and as far as like as far as my guilty pleasure is concerned. I am a Colleen Hoover anything written by Colleen Hoover is like my guilty pleasure. Is she A fiction writer who is that? I've never heard of her is a fiction reader and it's she does like contemporary romance, but she is a phenomenal writer and all of her book. She has like a lot of books and every single one of them is a page-turner. I love her stuff. Yeah so good. Okay. Well, then we have we have a little bit of like the spiritual and we got a little bit of fiction. So yeah amazing. Okay, and our last speed dating question is It's your go to coffee or tea order at the moment. Grande green tea latte at Starbucks. Um, yeah, it's been like my favorite since it like came out so good. Do you just get regular milk, or do do like a plant-based milk? I do I done almond milk with it. I just usually just go with like half and half honestly or 2% It's it does taste a little different but it really is like a night. Like my favorite it's so light and so good. That sounds so good right now. I get like everything with coconut milk and I just feel like it's such a good combo. You know the coconut with the green. Yeah, that's good. I'm good. Oh my God now I want to go to Starbucks. Well, I'm sick like in bed so good. Okay. Well, I'm super excited to dive into you and if you have so much knowledge in the spiritual side of things that we haven't talked too much about on my podcast. So I have so many questions, but I just want to start off with new talking about your spiritual journey. Just tell us a little bit about the background and how did you get to where you are now? Oh my gosh, my spiritual journey that is that is one for the books, but I'll give you like the short version. So basically I was at a point in my My life a couple years ago where I just was unhappy. I was just you know, I had a good life. I had two healthy kids. I had a great marriage and you know, we have a home and everything was you no good and just I just was started questioning everything and it was just kind of a shift in Mike. I can't explain it. It was just kind of like a shift in my Consciousness and I didn't know what was going on with me. I felt like I felt felt like I was you know, losing my stuff to be completely honest. It was really scary. And you know, I was you know dealing with insomnia for like about a week and I was just questioning everything that was in my life and the way I perceive my life and it wasn't until I just kind of was like, I need to meditate I need to like stop these thoughts and that was when I realized that I was getting I was getting downloads from just crazy stuff. I was just I was getting I was feeling things and I was like getting like intuitive intuitive hits two things that we're going to happen and they would happen and it started kind of like freaking me out a little bit. You know what I mean? Like just things that like, you know, just like idea. That would come into my head and then all the sudden like two days later it would manifest into reality and I was like, all right, and that happened way too much to the point where you know what I mean, it was like constant. It was like constant things where I was like I have to like dive into this a little bit more. So I actually got my star chart, you know made up and it was something with like my eighth house or whatever that says like you can be a psychic. Medium. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's really incredible that like how our Stars can you know our birthday in the time of day can like really tell us so much about ourselves. It's wild it's crazy. So, you know, I kind of started doing my research on it and seeing like what is this what is happening to me? And then I just kind of came to terms with like you know with the A tation, I'm really expanding my Consciousness because that's really what psychic psychic awareness is is just an expanded version of Consciousness and I just started developing and it has been a really eye-opening experience. Yeah, and when you thought at the beginning you're like you're going through this rough time and you just decided like oh, I need to meditate how did you know to do that? How did you read books where you raised by parents who like taught? You to meditate where did that come from? I don't that's just a thing like my family is so not into this like I am like they're so not into this but I couldn't become a very extremely conservative household and you know where this is not spoken about it is not known about and it was just kind of like one day. I just I don't know. I think it was like one of my guides that just said close your eyes focus on Us and that's what I did and then after that I was like I think this is helping me. I think that I'm really tuning into something it was really like and that's the crazy thing about intuition is that it comes at the most random times totally. Yeah. I had like a huge download today sitting in the parking lot at the grocery store. So like it's just you don't it's these intuitive hits or not something like that are planned or it just ins and you just have to embrace it and trust it. Yeah. Well, oh my goodness so many things to unpack there for people listening if they feel like they're maybe going through a weird time and maybe they're wondering why like am I going through Spiritual Awakening then? What would you say are like some of the signs of that Awakening? Oh gosh. I mean the biggest sign is really kind of starting to question everything in your reality starting to question your happiness. Starting to question. You know what you're really here for a lot of signs indicate, you know insomnia or just like a lot of energy that you cannot sleep and you just have so much energy even without caffeine. There's a ton of signs and honestly, like I just seen more and more people like waking up and really going into themselves and really getting in touch with their own. Own souls and it's beautiful to see but I know how scary it is when you first, you know, wake up because you are basically detoxifying all the negative thinking patterns that we have your take it, you know, you're getting rid of all that negative energy so you can bring in the positive energy and it's you know, it's really scary. It really is but you just have to have faith and you Have to know that it's not happening to you, but it's happening for you. Right? It's so interesting to me to talk to people and bring people on the podcast and talk about like Awakenings and where they came from because it's almost like we always have these meltdown life crisis moments before we have those breakthroughs because I know for me before my Spiritual Awakening. I was like working 50 hours a week and I hated my life and I was just Miserable and then I went on a study abroad trip and I just decided like okay we need to do things differently. Like I know life doesn't have to be this way forever, you know started ask myself. Like is this how it's always gonna be? No, of course not it's just so interesting to kind of see that like breakdown to breakthrough moment for everybody. Oh totally totally. I mean, like I said, it was it was for me. It's it was just I don't know. It was like a combination of like Everything just coming in at once and I really was I was not in a good mindset when this was happening and like just like with you as well. Like you have to almost hit rock bottom because then all you can do is go up, you know backed Lee. Yeah, so good and in that time period is that how you started to realize that you were a medium? How did that come about? Oh gosh that came about well, I first want to give like a prequel. Well when I was in my teens and my early 20s, I would I had four I want I call them visitation dreams where I yeah, it was really scary where someone would come who you know passed on and my dream was so real that I woke up two of those times in a cold sweat and I had to I was so freaked out that I had to Google the person's obituary. Is it real? Yeah, and it really I was I remember waking up the next morning and my husband looking at me and he was like looks like you saw a ghost and I was like, I think I like you have no idea you have no idea and you know, it's then I started meditating and it was just when you when you get into that quiet, I'm telling you man when you open up the spirit Spirit comes And I was getting like things when I would get deep into meditation. I would start getting like people or like people in my Clairvoyant Vision come through and I was like that's a little weird and it wasn't until I actually just, you know, took a mediumship workshop and I just started like getting you know, evidential hits of like, you know, the people in the class of their past loved ones and that's kind of when I knew I was like, all right. This is something new. And I you know, I developed it and and that's really where I'm at. Does it ever scare you because I know her me like my whole life. I have we have always my family's been super like Paranormal like we're very open to that and we've always had to be repaired normal experiences. But as a child and even now I kind of turn that sense off because I think the idea of like people being able to communicate with me maybe like Seeing a ghost that just like freaks me the fuck out like I'd like scream. I'd be like turn it off. Turn it off. Like do you ever get that way? Honestly, no just because I I have done, you know study and I've taken classes and I just I personally believe that you know, as far as ghosts are concerned. There's things called residual energy where we can you know it Our thoughts can manifest a ghost. You know what I mean? Like we can feel like, you know, a grandmother spirit in there and it's just you know, it's just our thoughts manifesting into ideas which then can really feel like there's a ghost. You know, I really don't I was never afraid of it. For some reason. I always said I always knew that like the the people living can do far worse to you than the people who have passed over mmm true, you know, and it really just comes down to setting intentions, you know, if you don't want, you know, if this is something that you are aware of because there's so much energy and if you're sensitive to that energy, you know, just setting your intentions that you don't want it to bother you is just crucial it really is. Yeah. I feel like that's something You almost every single day when I moved into my apartment this for a new apartment in August. I have a hallway in my room because I have like the master room and every night I would go to bed and I would just feel like this like, you know this energy like in the hallway just like watching me sleep and I was just like, I don't want a part of this. I don't want no part of this. I don't want a part of this and I would say to my room up and down up and down and I you know at one point I was just like I'm done like I'm just I'm just going to act like it doesn't bother me, right finally when that I like energy like dissipated and you know, it doesn't really bother me anymore. But it's just so weird. It's just so wild to me right idea. It's definitely like you you obviously got the right idea because so many people are sensitive to energy and it really is we just have to remember that. That's all it is. It's just energy and we have to set intentions and you know, the biggest thing for me as far as like my dad, you know. Being evidential mediumship was making sure like, I was setting intentions through meditation and through prayer that I was like listen, if you are not connected to my client if you're not connected to my sitter you can't come through like I'm sorry, you know what? I mean? Like, I I, you know, I'm sending you light and love but like I'm not going to I don't play that game. Yeah count so powerful. So just take a quick minute and talk about her. Their differences between psychics and mediums because I feel like my audience is going to be wondering this. Yes. There is a difference between psychics and mediums so psychics they read you by kind of pulling on an energetic string of your aura whereas mediums connect to a spirit. Okay, so all mediums are psychic but not all psychics or mediums. Totally. I love that. Yeah, I'm definitely psychic but not a medium. So exactly that example. Yeah, exactly. Just like I just really wanted to clear that up because like I feel like even I get confused it's never really explained. We watch things like Ghost Hunters and then sometimes they'll bring in like a random medium who talks like a family and you're just like whoa, like What's going on? So yeah, no, it's definitely like you it's really good to know that there is a difference between a psychic and a medium, especially if you're trying to connect to like a past love one. So yeah. Yeah guys, so if you want to talk to someone don't go to the local psychic so good. Okay, so we're going to switch it up a little bit and we're going to chat about guys. I've had a couple of questions about this and my Instagram and from people listening on the podcast, so Excited for you to kind of explain all this to my audience. So what are Angel and Spirit guides for anybody who doesn't know and how can we access them? So this so basically every single human being has at least one spirit guide at that with them since birth and a lot of these guys come in and out for different times in our lives. You know, you might get another guide when you become a mother or when you go to school or when you start a business, but you always have at least one guy that is here to protect you and kind of guide you out of Harm's Way and you know, you just have to ask that's the biggest thing because they're not allowed to intervene unless they're called upon so here's the thing. Yeah. Yeah, and it's it really is crazy because like I said I came from a Ultra conservative household. Yeah for the longest time. I was like, oh this does not make any sense. This doesn't then it wasn't until you know, I called upon my angels that I saw how things started to manifest and how cool a lot how a lot quicker and easier things started to manifest because I just ask them for their help, you know, I just asked them to put their energy towards something that I was working towards. And it really is incredible. You know, it's such a secret tool that nobody really knows and it really does help you they really just want the best for you. So if you're trying to manifest, you know success in your career, or if you're trying to manifest a healthy relationship or self-love call on your guides because they're here to help. I love that and it's so true. Like I would say my spirit guide that's been with me forever. And ever is like is the arch our King Angel Michael and so it's like I have a two in one. Yeah. Yeah fun. And when we are like calling upon them whether it's like an angel whether it's like a spirit guide and maybe you know, he just has he or she just has a regular name and it's like a person. What does that dialogue like when you're asking Them for help. Oh, that's a good one. So when I connect I mean and this is just my personal, you know, this is just how it happens with me. It's when I connect with my guides it I feel as if it comes through the top of my head, right? It doesn't feel like my thoughts. Like I know it's not my monkey mind, you know, a lot of people will say like when they're talking to their guides, it'll come through with like an accent when he like Yeah, like it's really just being able to connect with them and hand like creating a relationship with them and you know knowing that they're here for you. And like I said, you will feel the energetic difference when you finally connect to have like a conversation, you know through your mind with them because it feels different than your monkey mind. So to speak wow with an accent. I've never heard that before so that's yeah, I've heard that people will journal and they'll ask questions and then their handwriting will change and that's how they know. It's like a guide. But yeah, I think interesting also like that. You said it comes to like the top of your head like the crown of your head because it's kind of like it's coming through your crown chakra, which is what connects you to the universe that makes a lot of sense, right? That's how I receive it. Like I'll literally feel it come through the top of my head and like with the with the accent. I've had like five people like legit like at least two other mediums and then like three of my clients say that like when they speak with their guides, it comes through and like British accents or something like that. So it really is truly incredible and it's so unique to everybody. That's so cool. Oh my gosh. Okay. So say we've started this spiritual awakening and we've contacted our guides and now we're ready to like use all this momentum to start manifesting. Testing. So what would be our next step? Like how can we make all of this help us take a leap of faith and trust it because you know, it really is like I always like to be logical with the whoo stuff because you know, I don't I always like the one to debunk everything, but it's always like you need to trust that you have guides and you need to trust that your spiritual awakening. 22 at the perfect moment in your life and if you want to manifest something just call on your guides and have faith and forget about it and go on with your day and don't let it sit there and don't let it be at the top of your head because that's when the ego will take that idea or that thought and like twist it and it will be harder to manifest. Yeah, and when we're trying to figure out what that leap of faith Going to be what the next step is. How do you suggest we get that download like to suggest meditation journaling. What's your like ideal way to get those out loads? Honestly, I always just say go within so that's meditation for me. That's always meditation and I'm not saying like go in with the intention, you know say, okay do a 20-minute meditation session but going with the intention that you want guidance for a particular subject, but don't expect. The guidance to come through the meditation. It might happen. You might get a download like five hours later. That's what happens with me is that I like go and I meditate and I'll you know, just take time to be with my soul and then two hours later. I'll get a massive download and I'll just know exactly what I need to do. It comes differently for everybody. You know, like you said some people Journal some people get all their inspired action through Journaling for me. It's just setting the intention to sit with my soul and then you know, like I said, I don't really get it during meditation. I'll get a couple hours later and it's like thank you. Yeah, I love that. You said that because I was talking to a client a couple months ago and she was saying like I always see people online that talk about meditation and asking and receiving answers and she's like when I sit there I'm just sitting there and nothing's happening and right I had to tell her I was like, you know when I'm I'd say I never doesn't downloads immediately. It's the same for me. It'll be like a couple hours later. And I kind of use a combination of both. I will ask myself in my journal write down. What would you have me do and then I'll kind of jot down the action steps and then in meditation, I might ask a question. Like what should I do in this situation or you know, like ask for advice and then I get that later. So I just love to see how everybody does it differently. But yeah, so you guys if you're meditating and not getting it Anything immediately? That's normal. Yeah, I always say that it's meditation practice. Not meditation. Perfect. It's your meditation practice that's going to bring the epic downloads and the manifestation and you know, you just you just have to like flow with it. It really is all about alignment so good and what would be like your best tip for getting into alignment in general? Like I feel like a lot of this stuff. And blow so easily because you know people like you and I were used to getting in alignment every single day, but maybe for someone who's just starting out. What's your best hack for getting into alignment write a list of what brings you Joy and bring it into your life. I don't care if it's gardening. I don't care if it's doing a Zumba class. I don't care but find those things really sit down and focus on those things that just bring you absolute Joy. Joy is it playing with your kids is it yoga is it you know, is it journaling and do those as much as you possibly can I love that? I love that that's like an action set that people can do like right after listening to this to write easy quick thing like go right down ten things right after this podcast. You guys send us your list tag us on Instagram. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's you know alignment because everyone I So many questions about like because I always talk about alignment like it's like part of my daily vocabulary and everyone's like what's alignment and it's like think of the things that bring you absolute pure joy. Is it dancing in your kitchen? Is it, you know drinking tea, is it meditating whatever it is do as much as you possibly can of that alignment is joy, and that's what we're here for. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so if you guys see me on my Instagram stories say Aging my room listening to rap music and dancing. It's not easy being in alignment. Okay, exactly. Exactly. I love it. Okay. I have one last question that I ask every guest on the podcast and it's what's your number one hack for manifestation? Oh that has to be alignment for me. It has to be alignment when I am fully aligned with my higher self. And when I really focus on gratitude and the things that bring me joy Manifestation comes so easily it just comes easily. That's so good. You know, it gets to be easy. That's one thing. I love like bringing it all the way back to the beginning. We were talking about your move like just deciding and then letting it be easy because you're enjoying yourself because you're doing the things you love right? Totally totally. It's really just about you know, Finding what brings you Joy and don't worry like, you know focus on the things that you want to manifest, but don't let it consume you just you know set the intention that you want it manifested and then throw it away and then just focus on your joy and you will be amazed at how quickly things will unfold for you. It's really incredible so good. Oh my goodness. We covered so many things. Thank you so much for spilling all the spiritual. Knowledge we feel like everybody will have learned a million things this episode and probably have been taking notes or should have been so tell everybody where they can find you once your Instagram. What's your podcast which I was on so everybody needs to go. Listen, where can people find you you can find me on Instagram at Erica W Russo, and I also have my own podcast and that is the intuitive Souls podcast and I really just talk about all the things. As whoo and you know Mikayla was an amazing cast and we talked about manifestation and we just you know, I really just focus on the things that like bring you into alignment. I talk about crystals and all of that stuff. So definitely be sure to check that out. If you're interested in that spiritual woowoo stuff so good and I will have all that Linked UP below for you guys to check out and yeah, definitely listen to the episode I was on it is so good. I dropped so many tips. And tricks they just came out of nowhere and it was it was great. Yeah. No you did you did. I actually got a text from somebody one of my clients and they were like, oh my God, she talks about her spiritual bath. And now I just do it. I just have to do it. Yeah. She she took a picture of herself. Obviously not the full thing would she like said it was like 2:00 p.m. Today. She was like I'm taking advice from Michaela and I am taking myself a spiritual bath. Bath and I'm like good for you good for you makes me so happy. I've no idea everybody you a bath ritual. It's life-changing. Yeah. No, it really is. It's incredible so good. Okay. Well, thanks so much for being on Eric. I'm so glad we finally got to sit down and record this and I'm sure everybody will be swarming or Instagram for all the info on things mediums psychics and Alignment. Yes. Thank you. So Michaela this has been so awesome. Yes. Okay. Thanks. Talk soon. Bye bye. Thanks for driving in and getting your daily dose of personal development with the mindset magic and manifestation podcast. If you loved this episode leave a rate and review on iTunes for notes details and more information. Check out. Mckaela, Jay.com. See you next week.

In episode 51, Mikayla is having a discussion with Erica Russo, a psychic medium and fellow spirit junkie who is all about alignment and expanding your consciousness. You will learn the best way to get your life into alignment in order to manifest, about setting intentions, and ways to call upon your guides for help. Interestingly, you will also hear her story of how she came to the realization that she could possibly be a medium, the information she received from her “Star Chart” (Astrological Birth Chart), and what she did to develop and strengthen her abilities. In this episode: + Signs you are going through a spiritual awakening, how it may look and feel + Intuitive hits - when you may receive them + Have faith and know that it is not happening TO you, but FOR you + The differences between psychics and mediums + #1 HACK:  Alignment! Focus on bringing joy into your life The Mindset Magic & Manifestation Method, Mikayla's SIGNATURE program, is officially opening its doors for round three!!! 12 weeks, a trip to Los Angeles and a life transformation? Enrollment closes on the 31st! LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM HERE! SPIRITUAL SPLURGE - Bad Bitch Affirmations // There's nothing more on brand than these bad bitch cards! Grab them HERE! Find Erica on IG HERE! APPLY FOR ONE-ON-ONE COACHING WITH MIKAYLA HERE! FREE MEDITATION HERE! Can't get enough?

Simplify your life. It's actually way easier than you think you see there's so much clutter in our heads most of the time there are all these contradicting idea. So all these different philosophies all these shirts and shouldn'ts all of these expectations that we are carrying from other people from society from what we think we should be and it's really easy to cut through all of it. In fact, most people are so burdened by that. That they end up in something like depression or doing something. They're not really fulfilled by are happy with they pick a partner where they settle instead of actually being in love, but we don't have to experience any of that because like I just said it's really easy. You just have to ask yourself one. Simple question. What do I really want? What do I really want? Let me say that again. What do I really want? And I repeat that after me. And say it with me one time just one time. What do I really want? What is it that you really want? You know, let's take all these opinions all these expectations like steak the shoulds and the students and all of the Judgment out of it. And just ask that because that's when you see the truth. If you really know what you want, then you know what you should do as well. See most people get that confused and that's where all the tension starts develop because I should do that. But I want this and then I'm not happy because there's this big gap in the middle and I have to do this and I'm forced to work a job that I don't like really I want to follow my passion and now I don't understand why I'm so frustrated. Well, of course you are what else would you expect? What else would you be feeling what else would you be experiencing? If you're not pursuing what you want. The only thing to do in your life, the only thing that's ever worthwhile is to go after what you truly want. What's your desire? What is it that you really burn for? Because if you're not pursuing that you're going to be half that you're walking around your zombie you're walking around. You're really on autopilot. There's nothing to engage you. There's nothing. To capture you you're not going to be intense passionate emotional. You're not going to want to give it your all pour it on. You're not gonna want to evolve and grow and expand and become better and improve and then you're sitting there feeling bad that you're not really giving it everything you got. Well, of course not because you're not doing what you really want. Simplify your life by asking that question not what does my family want from me? Not what does my spouse want from me? Not what do my friends want from me? What do I want from? Me? And another question to follow that up with just to make sure you're on the right track is sometimes the answer can be well, I really just want to go gamble away all my money. How could I make myself proud? What would make me proud of myself not make somebody else proud see That's the difference. See we're so caught up in making somebody else proud. I gotta make my my mom proud or my dad proud. I got to make my my kids proud. I got to make you know, everybody around me. I gotta make them proud of me. But what about making yourself? Proud? What do you want from you? What do you see as your own Highest Potential declutter remove all the noise shut your ears put some plugs in there and then grab a pen grab some paper sit down and write a list view thinks what do I really want? What do I really want to? Putting your attention put your attention over there. Not what I should this is tone of should list. You see that? It's not a what you should do. It's what you really want to do. I can't stress this enough. This is one of the major reasons. You wouldn't be happy if not the major reason because you're just floating and then we come to another point right here. This is where you might feel some resistance. Well, maybe you're one of those people who say I don't know what I want. Right and that's just a convenient way to disguise your desires and go with the social Norm or follow the beaten path because you do want something and maybe it's something that is quite ordinary. Or maybe it's something that's not that crazy what you want something. There's something that you want. So don't lie to yourself and please skip this you know, one thing is to dilute other people and try to trick them into thinking that you don't know what you really want. But you know what you really want there's You don't just start with what you like start with what you enjoy start with something that's good in your life start with something that you'd like to have in your life. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. I'm telling you that before I sat down and really figured out what I wanted. I was miserable. How is overweight? I had social anxiety. intense depression frustration self-pity really self-hate Why sit there and carry all that bad energy why sit there and not be fulfilled when you know this see I didn't know this. I didn't know that had sit down and do this all of a sudden the crack for me because he went so deep down into the darkest pit that I realized. Okay, I I can't live like this anymore. And that's what made me go. Okay, I gotta change something here. I gotta do something different. I gotta figure out what I really want because right now I'm getting none of it and that's why I'm a happy write clearly and for you. If you're not happy if you're not fulfilled if you're not where you want to be right now, ask yourself. What do you really want? What really matters to you?

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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV talk now let the buzz yo, what is going on? Oh, thanks for listening. AfterBuzz TV so photogenic the bomb strapped to the hacker who left and right. I hope you guys watch the drop we did on Monday night. Rob was dealt a lot of people Les said, where was you McIntyre? And why does he get nine picks? But it's all good and it C is live from Full Sail great show had a bit of an overrun. That's why we're here late. And also I gotta say this every time before we go on air our producer right guy in the booth always ask me. Hey, put your thumbs up if you're ready to go. And I always do the bar that Sheamus is aurra sing and he's always like what does that mean? So the reason why we like it's my fault. I apologize for that, but then don't show don't panel and juicing first. We're far far left first time the panel gear for David Christopher shown up after show. How you doing? I'm good. I'm good. How are you guys doing good? We're good. And just let me see. No favorite wrestler currently on the roster currently on the roster Who hat stuff file will say first and foremost. I am a HBK fan. That's topically I'd say probably current on the NXT roster as we talked about Finn Balor now that he's back. Yes Balor clubs and on his right the co-founder of women sort of thing. Weekly the number one part of Sling women show on the channel on the planet scuse me get him to seek Eternal Universe. Yeah Universe the globe. He was a champion hola. Hey, what's up, man? Joramun? They all like today it's all good, bro International. You know, I like that. She does the man Hollywood Jim. He'll start wearing a crown from now. I think I have one I can lend you 4,000. Yeah your back pocket 4302 will be taking your calls later on in the show. Once again for 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 To all my thoughts they show week 3, you know, we got the idea of what it looks like past season premiere week. It's going to be more of a regular Vibe, but just thoughts of the show days aren't you? It was good. I mean they they kept it engaging interesting. You know, it's for me. I'm always a big fan of one the storytelling into the athleticism and I think we got a good mixture of both. So I was satisfied specially just just starting it off. Obviously, you're going to find your stride later on but it's off to a good start for sure. Take a first time. We saw some squash matches and exceed. Yeah. But some of my favorites as you guys know keighley and Bianca Bel-Air, so I'm definitely happy that we're going to where we saw them. Well, we saw cutely briefly. I'm happy that we're seeing them on TV and even Alia I'm you know, she's been there forever. And here's our little TV time. I actually like that match we'll get to that later but genell's yeah, we're seeing a mix of the fresh fresh rookies the stablish people and now some of the WWE, you know main roster. Yeah. We got Bri xango and I was a disappointment. Malar, obviously it me you're starting to have some I'm so shy and Finn Balor. It's like it's he actually on this roster. No, but it's just like until the draft happens. I don't think this is gonna be and I think this is slowly going to change into just another brand not just a middleman meeting like it's just whatever but it's going to be a legitimate brand like SmackDown and Raw just look kind of young up-and-coming Stars inside veterans like an end that's going to go away too because it's like you have even even some of the people that we know already know that got signed you're not going to see It I highly doubt you going to see them on TV. So it's going to be people who have established themselves and they're like just about to pop or their characters that great but just somebody who's you know, how they tested some people out. I think those days are going to come to well. Here's the thing. This is and this is the strongest roster. We've seen and XT since the days of Balor originally being there with the Kevin Owens. And uh, yeah, if you look at it the strength of it we were worried about this roster last couple of months because they were starting to pluck away talents, but now they're restocking it. They're keeping the guys in that putting him on the main rosters. You know, so you have now champa's back you have riddle still there. No one got taken away. I like this. This is legitimately finally. They have some names on there. What's Jim like something? Yeah. We're the but NXT Cruiserweight Championship now Drew Google, I guess Leo Rush brand-new Cruiserweight Champion. TK. I see the eyes. Why did you think is going to happen? Did you I did think I I can't say what I said outside. No, I'm not gonna say that. Because they'll be a gift like forever. Yeah, but yeah, I'm happy for him because he had he's had ups and downs and I've said this before I've been volume before he was immune signed to WWE a great athlete a great wrestler just his attitude According to some don't know him personally. His attitude wasn't the greatest the there for the departure from WWE for a little bit, but I'm glad he's back and hopefully with this belt run, you know will actually see him evolve. Of to a great wrestler all around and in and out of the locker room for sure. This is questions for you David the idea of dugu, like being like the throwback technical like, you know, like the no-nonsense guy loses the match tonight, but his run do you think it was a good thing for the division of was a kind of like? Yeah. We're kind of not on board with it. I mean, I like it in like as we were talking beforehand. I mean, you know, I agree with you today. I'm big on unrushed the guy is hard. He's extremely talented. I mean and I think too it just it opens things up a little bit. More so I mean, yeah, I think it was a good run and I'm happy to see what happens with rush. I'm totally on board with it. Mm. I blinked and I missed it. It was a quick run. I mean, yeah, first of all, I don't watch yes don't hate on that hate on that. You hear that run. The guy wasn't 205. No one watches that so I didn't barely a few times that he was ever and no one else does so what you didn't see him. Yeah, so he was a son he reminds me of a William Regal of this generation in a way without publicity that William Regal. What do you know got back in a day because he had more focus on him. But he's that kind of a wrestler. So for me, I would like to have seen him longer with this title. I think finally bring it over from 205 and making it this then XT cruiserweight title was nice but I get where they're giving eleo Russia chance. He better not blow it. They'll this time the question I have is who will be considered when the better we or NXT cremation. Because I feel like it kind of gets on someone's waist and it disappears and then the title is drop. Well, it's different now because we're on TV drunk. So and we already know that Leo Rush has the mic skills. Mmm. So he's all so I think between him and rugelach I think for TV and what they're trying to do essentially if you guys don't know, aw be annexed in the ratings last week. What they're trying to do is establish. Like this is the show that you're going to watch first and if they're true wrestling fan you're going to watch aw, you know tomorrow or Never so I think that's what they're trying to do and Leo Rush he has he has the heat from raw. He has the heat from leaving raag and cut from raw. And you know, he has the heat for being a great athlete but he's a true cruiserweight. That would be thing our Cruiser right? It's like I look Leo. Yeah. He's like, he's like, yeah, that's right. And you know, I agreed to answer your question to think about in both what you're saying. I agree with that because I feel when it comes down to Drew or Rush exactly. Who are you going to want to watch more often? Yeah, you know Drew's run it was a little short, but At the same time. I'm excited to watch rush because I feel like it's gonna be so much more entertaining. I'm excited about who's gonna challenge. I'm excited exactly say, I'm a mic like we already know he can go in the ring, right but I'm excited who what he's going to say to the his next opponent. That's that's what I'm looking forward to that springboard stunner was Flames before we go on to our next topic Jim Tell The World how they can listen to this other but showed her shells. Yeah, you guys are late to the chat. So I'm hoping it's the delays because you're all subscribing right now and commenting on Waiting to Common and coming up with great thoughts that we are talking about right here on a panel. So make sure you subscribe to red button comment. Get in on this chat. Okay, Jack's still getting ready for a show. So you guys should be here right now about yeah, and so it was you know, if this is a two good-looking panel for you can just listen to us on iTunes and give us a five star rating and you know, just ten to go. Perfect timing perfect in shirt I was but he said five so how could two five two five two other Chapman internal go Charlene was good was going on just Sims isn't a charity. That's a new one Dan mq7 Sims errands errands him. So I thought I've been sound like it's like needles maybe I've been under It's better in this game that he did on Raw feel like he was the first Universal Champion you got into the came back and kind of Knocked around that Brock Lesnar matches dope in January but like his run was kind of like yeah, but him coming back to NXT last week was like, okay. He's the guy. Yeah. No. Yeah. That's why sure. Yeah. No, I mean it's great because he did with the talent of fin he kind of just fell back on the roster which is which is really excuse my language shitty to see though because he deserves more so I think obviously the push on NXT He's brought back up to that pedestal where he belongs and you know, like I told you before he's going to carry this brand which the brand needs especially with a UW and I think he can do it. He can deliver as we saw with the story told with Brock and that was amazing. Yeah, so I think I'm with him. Yeah definitely seems like the winds Night War things like oh, yeah the guys at the bullet Club you look at him. Right? Is he too good to be on NXT. We're talking about guys like Cesaro possibly going, you know workers guys are workers longevity solid. This guy was Universal Champion one day like it doesn't matter. He still was like that wasn't one of their Golden Boys for a while before his injury still a boy. I don't know. I don't know now if you put him as a face of an extreme, you can ever recover that when put him as in top guy underwear in with the we're in a different era and it's numbers. You saw think of all his followers all his fans are now going to watch they may have they were 50/50 on whether watching NXT because they weren't necessary familiar with the blend now. He's there. He's brought all his numbers there because he has a huge fan following sure so it almost makes sense, too. At him as the face of NXT because now you're bringing all these people are now's. Okay. Well I have to watch this because this is my for he's my favorite wrestler. So it makes it makes sense on that level and I think again you have to we're going to go in like six months and XT is not going to be what we know and XT to be I agree in it and then there's a flip side to that too with yes. Is he too good for NXT possibly. Maybe I'll even say yes, but at the same time the talent on there he's going to step that they're going to have to step up which is going to make that talent that much better. Great matches know exactly so but I mean, I think I think just for the brand as a whole aside from the fact of the draw that he has but just it's going to step up the talent a lot more which is going to make the package so much better for sure. That's because stepping up poorly. It comes out with a match against Rio Ripley. We had no doubt my sixth that she was gonna win this match because it was a squash but I will say is when the most entertaining squashes I've seen in a while Jim Alexander. How do you like relive his chances here in the next? I think she's the top opponent for Shayna baszler a great sheet number. Literally the look-wise. I always talk about the look. She's the most believable when you look at it Candice le Ray versus Shana basil. There's a huge divide. Yeah, when you put Ripley next to Sham baser anyone could have that you don't she's the first formidable opponent. I don't even the ring but even look wise and she's got that attitude and a Persona kind of matches baser. I think this is an individual that's got to take it. She's gotta run through the division for a little bit for a month or two. And that's the one that takes care of. This is mad at the Both heels, I don't think so. I read this is Brent. Maybe the third or fourth time. I actually agree with Jim I know right? But yeah, I definitely I definitely agree that even though they're both heels. It still makes for a good story. And that was I think the problem with all the other competitors over the last maybe even cluding Bianca and y'all know I love Bianca even including Bianca it just this I actually want to see this. Yeah in any in any form like it. That was a UFC fighter. I want to see this like it's just you know, two P two badasses going at it whether or not their heels. So I'm definitely looking forward to this. I hope that they dropped like you're saying they draw it out a little bit longer. Yeah for sure. I like a rebellious. She has a very good look very very unique. And again she made that much fun. It was definitely some like well as you know, what she's doing with that thing. Do you think that that really is the future of this brand posting a basil if she is called up in the draft I believe so absolutely. Yeah. I mean I because let's just say I'd you know, Shane is going to go up. You know, I think it's just a matter of time. So absolutely I think she's next in line and I agree with you. I mean she is the most believable when you see those two together and I want to see that hands down especially as a fan. It's just that's do it. But do we need channel to go up now I both have is hypothetically and XT is no longer an experience. Just a third brand. Yeah, and now you can if the draft you can draft between any of the three brands she's already established character maybe surrounding her with More more people not necessarily like Rio but more established wrestlers like Ria it would make sense. So if you need to bring her up because she's gone through this roster. She's Russell almost anyone but then if you keep her that just shows are you not good enough to go and compete against the Charlotte Flair, but at some point you need to step up to the next level and Have Not only not only for a few sake and storylines but to show that she's a legitimate badass. She is all her wings and her run meant something to take on. The the tank runs out on like she can do it by yourself. I feel like you are missing a huge opportunity. Even with Rhonda comes out comes back for a month like you're missing a huge opportunity and she comes and Rhonda's not there. Okay, so you pick something that I have been waiting for for a long time. It's that first and foremost. I would say I know I will say first of all miss you guys both make completely valid points and I you can see both side. No, I mean really I guess that is a good question. But then two at the same time, I mean by bringing up you can add more Equity to You're going to bring your to obviously larger scale audience are going to give her a lot more credibility. So even if you did bring it back down like a fin and then you have a little bit more up with her. So I think yes for that sense. Yes, we do need to bring her up. And then as you said if we have the Rousey and baser, I mean that is hands-down. I mean yes there. Yes. I want to see that. She literally Ronda Rousey. I forgot which one it was, but it was like the runner Rousey was the one who picked baesler and help trainer. Like the story is the story is already built in. Yes there you have to like comes back. Just go with that story. You can do both you can but I feel like they're missing out on a huge opportunity because we already know that W is is the wrestling fans who've been watching W for 20 years. They're not catering to those people anymore. They're catering to mainstream media and their containing two press releases all that stuff. So if you now bring her up and Rhonda doesn't make an appearance there makes missing a huge running getting people. Denver's each other put the whole four horsemen thing, but the whole look for look for I like the idea on paper, but you still haven't told me why she care about your fear and do once you do that then it's all good. Well, that's not saying it's the pop like the the after that. Yeah, I highly doubt who do they fight against who do they shoot against there's no other factions are ready for them. But that's what you think happened at the prep affection. Yeah, but again severe and do kind of like this whole like the being twins is with them if you if you bring them up. Like we might not see them in five years and then to be honest. Okay, and it just makes sense for that storyline to bring them all up. Like all I know is I just got some Sriracha lens. I just want to see Rhonda and Shana. Let's do this. We're supposed to Shana eventually turning and you mentioned that yeah, that's me. You know, we don't know because Rhonda did sign contract but we don't know what was written in the contract. Rhonda could be making appearances like the rock like we don't really know and her contract is for three years. So we don't really know if she's ever gonna be back in the ring. She could have went in the Rings like this is great. Nice dream. Take it off my list. I'm back to doing this so we don't really know Sean. Oh fuck. Yeah, 9-1-1 or yeah. Yeah, so weird fighter past the she's gonna be doing we gotta move on. So we had a tag team match right Bri zongo coming out suction. It was kind of a swear. I thought it was Chelsea Green and Kate Deanna Peraza for a second because I had a silly one. I know I can't wait for that to happen and it came out against those supposed to be ever rise, but it was the Forgotten son. Suns right no one forgot about them anymore. Yes. I don't know. In the brandable he put my program. Yeah, they're better individually got when Tyler Breeze was on the roster last couple months and he was doing work and working with Velveteen. Those were a hell, you know about good matches and few. Yeah. I agree with that 100. Yeah, I think they're better and amazing. You're not gonna faint. I'm just tired of it. Yes over and I agree. I think there's so much better separately but are going to all different village people think it was good. I liked Venango because they add a different element and there for lack of are professionals. So they their characters are believable their the wrestling skills are great. I'm definitely feeling before I wasn't really about the Forgotten Sons because I don't know for some reason this new version and it might be like a slight tweak. I'm actually I actually buying like I like it. Yeah, I couldn't tell if they were bikers. They'll give me that is that they were Veterans that were ignore when it came back right and now I get that more the flags and then you forget what they say that like three months ago, but they did that's the thing they did in don't care. Nobody gave a crap. Yeah. I did I care. A long time, you know, it's not nothing new. So, let's see what they do with it. I'm on board that yeah. Let's give him a shot absent different roster to sure exactly exactly what they are. They look like it and today they showed it. So sure that access and Fandango have to stop dancing in the name changed wouldn't hurt listen and they go it has been inspired by my dance moves right now. This is TV. Yeah, so you had the people who are paying 999 and they're watching is a little bit different now, this is TV and that might be In another audience that isn't that not necessarily your hardcore wrestling fans. They just want to be entertained true like fund ongoing the old school way of like getting a really bad gimmick and be like hi. I'm doing it. Yeah, speaking of bad gimmicks. Kevin Grimes comes out with his hat in a match that lasted six seconds against Bo and the thing is he was going for the pin killing them was come in and Cameron grinds being as Backwoods gangster runs and Kelly and Danes totally different amounts of bone. So question for utk killing day was this thing is you don't have to Oh, it's one of the camera Grime. Is it going after a breakout Stars? Yeah, it's one of those things where this was a match where you went to the bathroom. I think this is when I went to bathroom so I blinked seconds. That's okay because I saw him appear before he even in the ring. I'm like, I'm over this and you need that. This is like this is like the I love my cheerleaders with this is the one where you see the cheerleaders. Come on. It's like okay. I have a little bit of time ago now that's where I show up. That's where I'm actually tuning it. I can't I saw Cameron Grimes was like I want to get that head on eBay and I wasn't the only one who is she Kevin goes into breakout tournament the former trevally Impact Wrestling very talented, but the idea is that he's a guy with no shirt that I don't know. Why is a vest and a hat like a cartoon character? Yeah, but the big stuff was okay. I mean you got his finisher all across but killing Dave shows up. So I'm not sure what his game is what the same thing. He's been beating up people in first with riddle and stuff. That's his thing. He's like that riddle and now yeah buying time. Okay buying time. Galia no. No, it's now time for TK's boudoir. Michelle dance again We have candles we have by scripts and we have soaps coming your way. If you are listen to AfterBuzz, you can put in the code AfterBuzz TV and you get a nice little discount because about candles though Matthew want to set the mood a headstand. You want Jax. How do you think that happens? We all know how you do it Jim so times in six of these getting more credit than 36 minutes. Yes, that's more like it and I'm going to get the candles next time you guys give me the Forgotten sense because I'm really liking this this change Alia just her persistence because she's like the six men and she doesn't seem fazed about it. She comes when she's called up and she does she does she does the best of her ability like you never see her slacking. It's been consistent so shouts her for that and I like her outfit and then also swerve. He's like the homie but not the he doesn't know that he's part of the homie because of Aaron Monroe who's on was wrestling with these, you know, she's a homie of the show and she's on sort of podcast therefore. He's the homie. That's how it goes. And then no, I just got it. Of trying to tie it all in and well if you watch one requesting weekly every Wednesday at 4 p.m. Cheap plug then you know busybody. intellectual and Brilliant manager Congrats green that's amazing. Hey, it has only the yes. Yes, the king's court. I am Jenna next T making its debut on an exterior putting in. Who's that chick that knocks or something. She was a virus Mac. Yes. and of course Quick and what is worth shielding David? Rephrase that question? I'm sorry. Guess where Scott Isaiah's words, right Roderick strong need to retain because the title was on the line, we saw as a in the breakout tournament. He didn't go too far. Who's we thought we were going to win it all he didn't know where he was seeing him or a lie. What's his ceiling? How far can I say I go that's a good question. I mean as we see with the roster change, everything is changing. I mean, it's hard to tell the direction. I mean the kid he's got the Talent, I mean I can't I don't know. I don't know yet man, especially with swerve, you know, I mean, he's I think more of a star the breakout guy. So I think if that's what we're comparing I think you know, he's going to be put above them through. Absolutely. The match itself was was pretty dope. I thought so yeah. It was a good man. That's rotties stock risen since getting any title or do you think I'm in the fourth guy? I don't know for some reason. I really care about him Ceci. Again, as you can tell services in the Boudoir, like I'm invested in certain storylines and especially people who are hard workers in the Indies and you see them sign and because all that hard work, they're doing a great job in W. So I am a fan of him and I think swerve is gonna it's his going to take a little bit more time, but he has the time to do that. It's going to be a nice slow build if they do the right writing with him. Sure after the match Jim. Yes about team comes out makes fun of roderick's dog's penis. Seconds, that's the rumor but they have all the items that would probably cut the Takeover card in half. So the question I have for you is keep the boat from them for takeover and having separate matches have war games all the tiles and line. I would just rip them some of their titles before they're working as matter. What about a war games with all the titles on light? It's so much at stake. So just that's their specialty. That's your kind of biggest, you know, that's in a sense our money. Bank, right. Yeah, so put it all on the line. It's going to make it a lot of hype going into it. It's going to be a huge event to promote and then yeah, that's and there's no reason to take him off right now, you know, it's to still too early at that point. Let him run with it a little bit let Roderick strong get a little bit more shine on his own. I feel okay. I wish he'd been trying to do the other guys attack Team guys. They need to get some more limelight's in the meantime because they're really they're just in the background because we see the Adam Cole stuff Roger gets us. You know his spotlights, but those guys need some more to enjoy comes Dynasty. Yeah, so keep it all on the line at War Games. I think it's gonna be more it's a good point moving on Dakota Chi take some Bianca Noble are in a match what I didn't think Bianca was going to win but she did I'll get that Dominican dare. I'm very competitive. So I figure they want to give her winds at Beyonce expense, but that facebuster was brutal. I thought the quota was dead. It was it was a good match. I don't think it was want to be Arc has been better matches. She's had better matches. I'm just glad to see her on TV. However, I'm not feeling the character that she's po'trait betraying. There's just something there's something missing anything specific. Like I can't put my finger on it. I legitimately can't feel like there's just something that's missing with her. Actor that's not gonna bring her over for me. Right and I'm a fan. So I just hope that she's gonna be able to figure it out because she doesn't figure it out. Like I have a feeling there's somebody beyond the writers that separate from the organization that's looking at each individual wrestler and looking at how they how they're popping or not. Yeah, and if they're not then was I thinking specifically today because I feel like her character is the same. But yeah, I promoted a the promo today we'll just wasn't it wasn't it wasn't it? Wasn't it? Didn't do it was missing something. Well, I'll What was wrong with the problem of the fact that she's calling out Shana. I mean really do you think that's going to happen? Well, that's a good point. I mean, do you want to see that happen? We believe that the top so that makes sense, but she wasn't having her best outing. So I feel kind of weird being like I beat someone was injured before she ate a base layer. Actually. I was gonna you're always going to want to go for the if you believe that much in yourself absolute you could care less about everybody in the middle like why I'm gonna do that. When I was just take take yeah when I just take out the king or take out the queen so, you know and makes it exists. I'm just saying like why are you going to take out all the soldiers and stuff just go for the king didn't ask him real quick. We always talk about the having the best storyline for talent. What would be the best storyline for Bianca? But at this point, I mean they've been so up and down the remember like beginning of this year. That was the face of the Women's Division and XT. Like how far she's Fallen. She's kind of start rising up then down. It's just an up-and-down thing, but storyline first to get her off of NXT. I Dave kind of fumbled are it she'll get better. That's really I don't know. I'm officer called up though. She's athletic she could offer. She's got her characters more suitable think yeah personality. Let's let's face it. She does. She can't yeah, but I think she'll get buried in that roster is not the right time a couple airs got that spoil. It doesn't matter how much spice you have. It depends on who like the booker is and it depends on what the storyline. Line one spot for heard in NXT. It's just up and down and going really know where she she and I had said before her and she needs to almost have like a faction like her and me and him I think would work amazing together because they have some they have similar very similar personality. And I think that would be a good mini faction. Why you me him and Bianca Blair? Yeah has very similar personalities. That's fine. Playing I don't see ya Wow, Mike Greene's coldly. I have another question though. So if she wants to move up to SmackDown, who would you pair her with as far as stories have to be paired a giant woman? Who was you who what storyline would you give her? How do you think would make sense? Oh my God. She's a perfect heel so she can go against well now they took Bailey would have been a great opponent. She was face. I could have seen that totally happened depends who shakes out right now in The rosters by could see there's a lot of heel women in both rural. On Smackdown and it's almost a lack of faces, but she could work with anyone. I mean her and Alexa, I imagine that's just thinking that yeah on the mic to that would have been. Yeah, she needs just I love now. Abilities to pair with more possibilities but it just depends on the writers and how and how the user and we see people from NXT go up to get called up and they get buried but I think it's like you're talking about Amber Moon Amber Moon. Just remember I me whatever 100,000 men like she can't talk. She can't talk, but you could have had somebody speak forgot who my last work. No. No, I just wanted to say I you know, I believed Amber was hyped way overhyped since the beginning and we're sorry and it's just one of those things that like Like, you know, you you saw what happened here and that's why because I feel like it was just too much hype and again, she doesn't have the Charisma which is huge which is very huge great. She's a good athlete but I don't believe that she's happily I'm sure she is but I don't think she's that top main event that they try to push her. No more TK know you're mad but you first thoughts of the match. That's the kishida Walter Volta. This could be I mean, there's another one they built up kishida and it's just like okay, here we go. We're just going to dip tank is really built before you come because sometimes people just come up on their you know that promo they have Pro he had promos Yeah couple weeks worth of promos and you know, he has this huge extensive background behind them. So you're like, okay. Well you brought on this amazing talent. So you're going to do something with them and they just didn't and it just feels like they are wasted like like they did with Oscar at some points. It feels like there's some there is a moment where she was great and you know what I'm saying? They just thought they just don't know where this is where representation matters. Yep. Like it's you need somebody to who understands the background not necessary to put in the right words Asian wrestling, but to to tell the story correctly and then tell it in. Version so that we can all buy it if that makes sense. So but Walter now, he's definitely a Powerhouse United Kingdom. He showed up couple weeks ago and US lowly unwashed American masses is Walter easy sell for American wrestling fan. I think he's a definite. I mean, he's the classic epitome of what Vince loves the big brute. You know, I'm a Powerhouse. I mean, I almost feel like I'm watching a blue blood again when he comes out. Yeah. I mean, yeah absolutely completely easy Sal I mean he dominated the match again, you know, tell him that story like we did kind of almost like a David Goliath Thing. I mean, I think it was a great he I bought it. Yeah, absolutely. He's an old-school guy that would have been top champion in 80s and early 90s potentially, but he works for today because I guess he doesn't speak. I love this. I love the Immigrant thing. I love immigrants love with you. Don't speak English. Kind of what they wanted to do to Bronte Braun strowman in a sense what Braun strowman can't be this guy came because he silent his gimmick works with him. He's a silent killer in that many ways. Like I knew she'd actually I think exhaustion but yeah, the difference between had no chance between him between Walter vaulter and and Braun strowman. Is that Walter can make anyone look good? Yeah. There is a good technical wrestler. There's a row matches. You just like, all right. Give me the power slam. Yeah, but see that's what I mean. He's got a combination of submission and Power. And just being a monster so he's got that going for him. He doesn't need his characters built-in. He doesn't need a talking figure for him. He's just over the way he is and kishida he can get that win back. Just getting DeLorean Back to the Future Zoom back out for eight. 3:02 is number to call. Once again for 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 2 Match that was announced for next week. Keighley dies at Kovac three. The ashes have been fantastic do we think he did go goes over know my boy. My boy has been out of injury. He's back another great European that I love. He's got the look. He's got a million-dollar look he's going over but it's not a good match up. These two are a perfect fit for each other. Like this is the third time right? These are just like a perfect to and thing I don't like about is they're both up-and-coming you both need wins right through you. You don't want one going over the other But they are such good in the ring together and they look the part of going against each other. I love this view. I like the the promo that keighley cut. Hmm again. I don't know. I don't know if they know what they're going to do with him. So I feel like it's like, okay, we have the greatest idea and then it doesn't work out as they thought and then he's going to roll back down the hill and then I'm going to try it again and there's only so many times they're going to try before there's somebody new that it works and then he's completely buried okay. Yeah, and dr. Kovac do you think he'd be ever be buried or forgotten about his love your star? I think he's gonna be I think he's gonna be consistent. Okay, like you have some of those people who are could say, oh my gosh. I just lost his name. He's from Hollywood Florida Dobbs off. Yes. Thank you lose his name. I saw his face by just lost his name. I saw his face and his hair but you have somebody that's like consistent, you know, he's had his up these that has ups and downs, but he's never gone all the way back down the hill. So I think that's gonna be Be the the that's what's going to happen with him. They became can dodge the Kovacs Feast your eyes get over in 2019. I mean he didn't do enough for a while on the independent circuit, but I don't personally think so. Maybe you disagree. You know, what just because of the change in the guard and there's I mean, I can't it's so like you said it there's a lot of like you see these stars were you think they're going one way they've gone to another. Yeah. So it's hard to say I want to say no because it's been so long. But again, you never know the transfer and size and height. Can't think of anyone know what this guy does backflips off the hot melted like and I send me the go-ahead. Yeah speaks more what? Yeah. This guy's just like Undertaker sighs. I was he like six eight six not only secure side. Yeah, I'm from my name is Charlene and I'm calling for now. Well, actually that's why I'm calling. Are you single right? I want to know. White your Pixar for the Jack farmer, whatever he called that dress. I got it right here right here. It would be flow boys. Yeah, Trinidad. How about it answer? Just go for the people to believe it out of it Jim Bean and newly that's you. Remember David? Those are my film is a smart man smart man any other questions? Yes, thank you. Thanks for calling: she's you guys have a great day. And you guys are a perfect 10 get out of here next week. Okay, his run is over after one match that. Remember him in that you put him over as the next big stunt. Yeah, the Mac militant we're gonna we're gonna shout out that music is the last thing your vengeful guards after champ has done with that is that time? We got to get rolling out of here. But before we do, we're gonna go find you online. You can find me on Instagram at David underscore Christopher and underscore official or at fit TV network. Thank you guys so much and you can buy my own everything at TK Trinidad eGo-T catering that.com, or you want some cocoa butter. We have new sets coming out Center in company. Dot-com old age of Alexander. 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This is optimal living daily episode 1348 to tips for cultivating more meaning in your life by Christine kruseman of Christine koosman.com. And I'm just a molecule or personal narrator reading blogs to you. Mostly sometimes books anything that I think will help you optimize your life. Today's post being from Christine kloosterman before we get to it. Do you think a community is hard to build your right if you use Facebook groups or you're managing a mess of different services, but with a mighty Network you're able to build A community that's so valuable. You can charge for it. And so well designed that it essentially runs itself right now. They're offering the best deal they have available anywhere at my tea. Network.com slash old you get three months free when you sign up for a year, but have to go to my tea. Network.com slash o LD. This is the very best deal three months free go right now to Mighty networks.com / old now, let's get right to it as we optimize your life. Two tips for cultivating more meaning in your life by Christine. Koosman of Christine Clues men.com Cultivating more meaning in our lives is the primary way to fast-track feeling more connected to yourself your purpose. And those around you is why we spent a lot of time in our lab researching thinking about and emphasizing the importance of what we call meaning making in our experience does not a person out there who would turn down gaining more meaning in their life. It's something we all Crave in your for so here are two of our favorite exercises. They'll help you notice cultivate and cherish meaning in your day-to-day life. Exercise number one DaVinci turboblast this exercise is modified from one in David Gibbs book how to think like Leonardo da Vinci. The original exercise was inspired by one of the seven areas of DaVinci's genius identified by Yelp, insatiable curiosity and we've modified it to cultivate curiosity around what brings you meaning. This is how it works. You set aside 45 to 60 Minutes to just sit brainstorm and write down in a journal. Journal or word processing document. If you must every answer that pops into your head without judgment without editing and without retracting your steps until the time is up in our version of the exercise you let your mind run wild on the single question what brings me meaning in life jot down a word phrase or short sentence for each idea you have it might be a beautiful sunrise your family heritage the hardships. You've overcome write down anything you Think of no item is too small too big or too redundant people places and things ideas wishes memories relationships. They're all fair game. Just let it flow without judgment or self-editing the goal is to get to 100 answers and or keep at it for at least 45 minutes in order to thoroughly investigate the question, you'll likely end up revisiting this list from time to time. So try to create it somewhere accessible and easy to find again. Typically. What happens is you Fly through the first couple dozen entries with no problem and then hit a wall stick with it. This is where the magic happens and after a few seconds or minutes of feeling blocked your imagination will expand and you'll break into new territory entirely new Realms and subject areas will come to you be prepared to hit a few more stuck moments when you feel tapped out and just wait it out inspiration will break through again. It's really worth it to be patient and push past the point where you would normally quit or feel done. After you finish go back and look at the list shut down the themes that emerge from the page and circle the items that trigger the biggest heart burst from you ask yourself. If you are surprised by anything what media onto your list that you've never given much thought to what things did not make it on the list that you would have expected to be there and the biggest question of all how do your actual priorities and allocation of time stack up against what you find the most meaningful are there areas of meaning that are totally absent from the life. Right now such as playing a musical instrument building something with your hands or writing love letters. It's extraordinary to see what you come up with. When you really give yourself time and permission. It's also fascinating to come back to these insights into your soul after time has passed and to compare the results against the more recent DaVinci style brainstorming session exercise. Number two buddy up accountability is a powerful way to create lasting change. It's incredibly effective to have someone to share the journey with When you're trying to create any new habits and life participants in our groups often report, that is the accountability component that has the greatest impact on their learning and change after the group meetings are over. There's even research to show that we go farther try harder and sustain our changes better when we share a goal and receive support from others who are also trying to accomplish the same thing. So to help cultivate meaning in your life invite a friend to join you in the challenge every day for 30 days. Each of you will send us Super quick bullet point email to the other to say what the most meaningful parts of your day were or perhaps the three moments that most profoundly touched your heart you two are the boss of this experiment assign. Whatever task resonates most with you. The point is that you're strengthening the meaning in your life through attention and intention you've made the commitment to each other. So there's an external Force holding you accountable for holding up your side of the deal. You will also get the added benefit of finding new material inspiration and Diaz from hearing about what move someone else's needle another hidden benefit of this exercise is his power to bond people together. There's something incredibly endearing about learning what makes someone else's hard leap. You get to know someone in a whole new way. This is a poignant experience to share with someone. You already know. Well like a family member or someone you barely know. I intentionally chose somebody I didn't know very well to do this challenge with me when I was first experimenting with it and hope that we would become closer as a result. Out and it worked today that friendship is still a source of great meaning for me to live a life filled with meaning and purpose is one of the greatest reasons for being for most all of humanity. If not the greatest when we live with purpose and meaning we experience abundance. Joy and contentment and want for nothing. It's the ultimate state of being yet. Most of us think of these abstract Concepts as things that we happen into through luck or external circumstances beyond our control. People don't realize is that meaning is all around us. You only need to learn how to see it and prioritize it and just as Tiny raindrops build a stream collecting the small moments of meaning is what fills our lives to the brim with purpose meaning and profound satisfaction. You just listen to The Post titled to tips for cultivating more meaning in your life by Christine. Koosman of Christine Clues men.com and thank you to Christine. I'm definitely gonna try that second exercise that one stood out to me and hey, I know from experience online communities can be difficult to build. But if you go to my tea network.com slash old, you'll see it's so easy and simple to setup. You'll be up and running in minutes Mighty networks are seeing some amazing results a yoga instructor double the size of her community to 90. Thousand members in just one month away from Facebook on her own Mighty Network and a life coach just starting out with no email list or following was able to generate five figures in their first month of selling a new online course in their Mighty Network. And right now they're offering the best deal. They have available anywhere at Mighty networks.com / o LD you get three months free when you sign up for a year, you have to go to my tea network.com slash old. This is their very best deal 3 months free. Go right now to my tea network.com slash o LD. I'll leave it there for today. Have a great rest of your day, and I'll be back tomorrow as usual where your optimal life away.

Kristine Klussman shares 2 tips for cultivating more meaning in your life. Episode 1348: 2 Tips for Cultivating More Meaning in Your Life by Kristine Klussman on Personal Development & Growth Mindset    Kristine Klussman specialized in Health Psychology (Behavioral Medicine) at Harvard Medical School, then founded and ran the Health Psychology program and post-doctoral training programs at California Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco. She found her work with cancer and cardiac patients inspiring, uplifting, and humbling. She found so many of those going through life-threatening illness were - sometimes for the first time in their lives - absolutely clear what truly mattered to them: authenticity and connection. In 2016, she founded a non-profit to focus full-time on trying to understand, explain and teach what she now believes is the single most meaningful and rewarding aspect of our existence. The original post is located here: https://www.kristineklussman.com/2-tips-cultivating-meaning-life/     Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

Fun fact for you guys 65,000 coaches turn to get the pancake in 2019 for advice volleyball drills and coaching resources. That's like a lot of coaches whether they were looking for free stat sheet downloads goal-setting worksheets to use with their team or just a fun warm-up to start practice with I'mProud to say get the pancake delivered in this past year. We've added tons of valuable information to get the pancake.com new digital downloads free handouts and of course more drills and tips. There's a lot planned for 2020 and I don't want you to miss it. If you want to continue growing as a coach sign up for the get the pancake newsletter by going to get the pancake.com. There's a sign-up Link at the top of the home page. You can't miss it come and join our thriving community and let me help you have your best season yet? Hi coaches, this is Whitney from the get the pancake podcast a podcast for volleyball coaches in today's episode. What we're going to be talking about is a way for you to structure certain parts of your practice to make sure that your teaching skills in a game like manner. I'm not specifically going to be teaching you one drill that's game like or anything like that. I'm going to be talking you through the structure that I use to quickly. Teach players new Concepts and get them implementing those into gameplay in a matter of 20 minutes or so. This works well with beginners as well as more experienced players because it's not necessarily about what you're teaching. It's about how you're teaching it now. I highly recommend listening to this full episode if you have ever been watching a match and thought what the heck is going on. This isn't what we practiced. We look so good in practice. And then why are we playing like this in a match determining this practice structure actually took me. Well quite a few years to really understand some of you may actually be doing it without realizing it but I want to make sure that it's something that you are consciously aware of as a tool to use to improve how your players play during matches and tournaments. What we're going to be doing is building up from a very Trolled environment into chaos. And the reason that we want it to be chaotic is because in a match you have very little control over really anything in the match. And so you need to know how to handle a wide variety of situations and although chaos is unpredictable. There are certain situations that we can train for that happen time and again, and I'm going to give you a lot of examples so let's Get into it. Building up to chaos creating a learning environment that prepares players for matches. I know when I first started coaching and many other coaches that I work with. We just kind of go through the motions. It's like, okay, we need to teach passing. Here's how you pass a ball. Okay. Now we need to teach setting here's how you set a ball and we teach the skills in super controlled environments all the time, especially if you are a new coach or don't have a ton of experience. Coaching you probably think. Okay. How do you pass a volleyball? Okay, like Google, how do you pass a volleyball then? You're like, okay. This is how you stick out your platform. This is what your footwork is and then you go to practice and you toss a ball to a line of players and they pass it straight back to you and you're like, okay great. Now we know how to pass a ball but then you get to a match and no one's tossing them a ball, you know, the balls flying over the net coming off the hand sideways and players are at a weird angle because there they haven't been taught how to pass the ball that's coming in at an angle or that's coming in faster than a nice toss from a coach and we don't necessarily realize it in the moment, especially when you are a newer coach you think well, we practice passing why can't they pass the ball, but we're not practicing passing in the way that it comes to them in a match. Not only that but the way it comes to you in a match can really differ. Maybe it's a high free ball that somebody Is it deep into the back corner? Or maybe it's a topspin serve that's dying really quickly as soon as it comes over the net so there are two very different techniques that players need to use and overtime sure, they'll figure those things out on their own. But if you want them to understand that really quickly and sort of move on with with the skills that you're teaching them here are the four different steps that I want you to take to get your players from a controlled environment to To being able to handle that crazy past crazy serve in a chaotic environment. So step number one. We're going to call this ultimate control. This is when we're isolating one skill or one motion with a controlled ball introduction. So we want this to be a game like the way that the ball is entered but we also want our players to have an extremely high level of success in this first level. So the first example Going to talk you through. Let's just say passing. We can always work on passing. Everyone can work on passing. Let's just say that we want to work on passing on the sides of our body. So ultimate control Step One is passing on the right side of your body in serve receive we're getting really specific here, but you can make these as general or as specific as you want. So this is just one example passing on the right side of your body in serve receive. So the way that we're going to enter the ball maybe as from a a coach down balling the ball over the net not a full-on serve at the path of the ball is going to be similar. So we're just going to be down balling the ball maybe into right back or middle back or left back or whatever and they're going to focus on passing on the right side of their body to the Target obviously before you step on the court. You're going to explain what you want that form to look like how you want them to position their body what their shoulders are going to look like how their platform is going to be angled, but we're keeping it. Namely controlled. So every time they pass it's going to be an aggressive ball coming in on the right side of their body. So it's just one thing that they're focusing on go through that for five to eight minutes depending on how many people you're working with and after we get through step one, which is Ultimate control. Then we're going to advance to step two, which is the skill alternative. So in this example, we're working on. Seeing on the side of our body step one. We were passing on the right side Step 2. We're going to be passing on the left side before we get started. We're going to explain again what our platform looks like what our footwork looks like where we want the ball to go. It's not going to be that much different than the first skill but there are definitely some changes again. We'll go through this with a controlled ball introduction. But now we're going to be hitting the ball to the left side of the player so that there Getting a lot of reps and again 5 to 8 minutes working on passing a ball to the left by now. Your players are comfortable passing on the right and passing on the left. So step number one was Ultimate control step number two was skill alternative step three is skilled decision. So it's still a controlled ball introduction, but it could be one or the other we're eliminating all other options. So we're not serving straight. To them or not serving super short or super deep. We're just focusing on moving them to the right or moving them to the left if possible. You want to show some sort of a queue to the players so that they start to pick up how to read that. This is coming before contact is actually made. So in this example again, let's say we're working on service Eve. Turn your body to show where the ball is going to go before you make contact and hit the ball over and then Way the players are going to start to learn how to read the server and sort of get an edge and know that. Okay. Well most likely assuming everything goes. Well, the ball is going to go to my right and so they can start to mentally prepare for that ball going there. You're not telling them in step three step one. They knew it was going to the right step to they know it's going to the left step 3. We're not sure where it's going. But we know we're going to have to move so they're mentally prepared and they've practiced the Reps so they know what to do. Now. We're just working on recognizing which option we need to pick. I love this step because this is when players start to recognize patterns and it almost starts to look too easy after going through this step again, maybe five to ten minutes. You might want to spend a little more time here because this is where they're starting to make all the connections in their brain about. Oh, this is how I read this this takes a little bit longer. To understand and this is where the benefits for your team are going to come. Once you feel that your team is successfully reading the ball for the most part or is having a lot of success in passing to Target. Then we're going to go into chaos. So this is just going to be gameplay. The ball is going to be introduced by players instead of a coach. And so that's kind of where the chaos comes into play because it's not as controlled but now Or pastors who are back in serve receive are going to start to put the pieces together like okay, this is what coach looked like when she was serving to my right side now Vera's back there and she's approaching the ball in the same way. So I think she's going to serve right and there's going to be a lot more inconsistencies here because I mean it's players entering the ball, but this is what they're going to see in the game. They're going to see other players entering the ball, but it's broken down in their minds on how to recognize Whether it's going to the left or whether it's going to the right and you can also have your players work on serving two seams, which is that space in between players and serve receive that way they're making sure to move those pastors around so it can still be a little bit controlled but we're really just trying to do game like drills here. I prefer that you play the ball out. So go past that hit back over the net and then maybe the next server goes just so your team gets more reps in an actual game like setting and then maybe after like 3 hits go over then you rotate who the pastor's are change servers, whatever up to you again. This isn't really about the drill specifically. It's about the structure of the skill instruction a couple of notes on how we're organizing this if you have the space and the staff you could split up your team to work on different skills with different groups of players. So I'm going to go through some more examples, but let's just say you Of your passing group, you could also have a group of blockers working on their own progressions on a different court and then you could bring them together and play a game that incorporates passing and blocking. So maybe just free ball down ball or hitting lines versus defense. I'll link to both of those drills which are on get the pancake.com, but we want to make sure that we don't skip the step of actually playing and focusing on that skill execution when you are running These drills you could award points or bonus points if skills are executed correctly. I don't necessarily think that that is required. But you should definitely point it out when players are doing things correctly. Like wow. Did you guys see that Lily went and passed the ball on her left side. She moved exactly right to the ball. That was awesome. Lily way to go and then everyone will clap and and then everyone else will want Recognition, so they'll try even harder. You don't have to give points necessarily but recognizing players for doing a good job is going to improve how everyone else kind of attacks the skill another note about this structure. So you're not going to use this at every practice. This is going to be when you're introducing a new skill or a new strategy and that's not going to be at every practice at a lot of your practices. You just need to focus on what you already know and getting better at what you already. Already know and having the coach so involved in this drill does kind of take away reps from players. So we want to do this on a limited basis, but at the same time the benefit is so high because it breaks down complicated skills. So if you notice that your players are struggling in serve receive or your Setter is really having a hard time reading where the ball is going. That's when we can do this drill just break it down for 20 minutes 25 minutes. You're really not going to be That much time on it and it's going to make a huge difference for the rest of your season. Before we continue. I want to take a quick break to tell you about anchor anchor is honestly the easiest way to make a podcast for starters it's free, which doesn't get any better than that. Second of all, they have a lot of tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer the best part in my mind. Is that anchor also helps you distribute your podcast so I don't have to go. And create an account with Spotify Apple podcast Google podcast overcast can't even list all the places that get the pancake is played from simply because I don't have to worry about it. Anchor does it for me if starting a podcast is something you're interested in download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started not anchor.com anchored dot f m now back to our episode. So let me give you some more examples on how we could use this. And different skills if we are setting for example, our ultimate control step one could be setting from the target zone. So that's going to be where our Center is usually up in right front a little bit off the net and all we're going to be doing is just tossing to our Setter and they're going to work on setting maybe outside and back will take middle out just for Simplicity step to our skill alternative is going to be setting from the 10-foot line. So now The coach is going to be tossing so that the ball lands on about the 10-foot line and the seller is going to work on running off the net turning and facing outside or setting back if your players are more advanced and they can handle that. So the alternative is setting from the 10-foot line. Now, we're moving up to skill decision. So the player is going to have to read the ball as it's coming to them in the air and they're going to have to determine is this coming right to me. Can I stay here or do I need to Set from the 10-foot line. If you have a more advanced team or an older team, you could have the setter starting from the 10-foot line and then determining whether to run up or staying back. This is if you're running like a 6-2 and the setter is coming out of right back. This would be a lot more game like but just working through having your hitters get some reps in because you do want to have some hitters in place in my mind because that will give the setter more feedback on whether it was a good set. It or not. So now 10 minutes or so have gone by and they've worked through whether the pass is like a three option pass which is a perfect pass or it's off on the 10-foot line. And now they understand how to read the ball while it's in the air and they understand where to position themselves on the court and then we go into gameplay or chaos for our fourth step and this just happens. Naturally your team doesn't necessarily need to purposefully pass the ball to the 10-foot line. We'll just happen on its own. That's why we're practicing these things. We're not going to pick something so specific that only happens once or twice in a match. We're going to pick skills that happen pretty frequently. Otherwise, it doesn't really make sense to dedicate so much time to them. Okay, so that's my setting example. Now, let's talk about hitting when we're hitting one of the decisions that we might have to make is whether to go in for our normal approach or if the set is off the net we need to stay back. Back so that we can still take an aggressive swing at it. So our ultimate control step is hitting a normal set. So if you have a good Setter, you can have them set. Otherwise, if you're coaching younger players the coach can toss so it's a little more consistent and then our second option our alternative is going to be hitting a set that is off the net again, go ahead and have your Sutter do it if your team is older or Setter is skilled enough to consistently set off the net. Third step is when we're making that decision and the hitters are judging is this set coming to me on the net or is it off the net and they're making that decision about how to adjust their progenitor on what the ball looks like as it's coming to them and then of course the last step is chaos, which is gameplay. I'm going to give you one more example and that's going to be locking. So let's just say that our normal block to start is going to be blocking just straight in front. Of the ball so lining up so that the ball is in the middle of our hands and then our alternative is going to be blocking to the left. So if we want to shift to the left a little bit keep that right hand lined up with the ball and the left hand off to the side taking away that angle it's going to be a lot easier if you're working with boxes specifically and then we're going to be making the decision. Okay, should I block left or should I block straight on and that could depend on where the set is or what the Hit her shoulders look like you're going to have to specifically direct their attention to certain cues so that they know how to read what's going on because if you're not directing them to look at anything to notice something that is going to help them make that decision and there's really no point in doing it. So before you decide on a certain skill, make sure that you know why they're making the decision that way you can instruct them on what to look for to help them get that edge and then of course the last one is gameplay, so if we're working On blocking maybe hitters versus defense would be a great drill because there's a lot of opportunities for blocking built into that as I mentioned. We're not going to be doing this every single practice. But when you feel like there is an obvious skill that your team needs to be working on take the time to come up with what's one option. What's the second option? And how can we isolate that and direct our players attention to certain cues, so they know how to react to the ball and then making sure that you're running A game like drill that is going to give them more options to execute that skill. So in our first example when we talked about passing and serve receive if you're running a game like drill that doesn't include serving it doesn't really make sense. Right? So make sure that they will have ample opportunity to practice the skill in that game that you are working on in the first three steps as I've mentioned. I have found that I'm able to get beginner players of various ages out playing volleyball. Getting a good rally going just by breaking down the basic skills into the steps. So even though you may think oh well moving forwards and backwards is a little bit complicated for passing. We're not going to work on that yet. It's going to happen in the game. You might as well suck it up. It's going to be ugly but work on it. Now that way in a game setting, you know how to handle it. This can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make it whatever you decide make sure that it's something that your players. Are ready for and that they can be mostly successful at I am thinking like a 70 to 80% success rate. Once you get them going through it if it's any lower than that, you might want to adjust just because if you keep hammering it into them and they're not being successful than that's going to become a part of their mindset and maybe they're just not ready for it. Maybe you're moving them too far ahead. Maybe you need to break it down into a simpler goal. So in my Setting example. Let's say I'm finding that the players are having a really hard time with setting to outside from the 10-foot line. Maybe I have a younger team and they're just not strong enough not coordinated enough and their minds just aren't quite catching up. I'm going to make it a little more simple and the first step is going to be a toss directly to them. And then the next toss is going to be maybe two or three steps in front of them. So still getting them moving. They're having to adjust and in a game. Game, the pass is probably are going to be on the 10-foot line, but we'll eventually get there. I want to make sure that my players are successful in our feeling successful feeling like they're achieving things before we move on to more complicated aspects of the game. Remember the game is not about how well you can pass in controlled situations. You need to practice in that chaotic environment and it's not always going to be pretty but you got to get the job done. So good luck in your next practice. I hope you find this beneficial be sure to check. I'll get the pancake.com. If you're looking for more of volleyball drills or coaching tools coaching resources. Thank you so much for listening and I will see you in our next episode.

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Making sense of it all helping you gain insight and take control of your wealth creation gym. Hello listeners and welcome back to making sense of it all where we are talking all things wealth creation money management to Financial Freedom and everything in between. My name is Jared Brooks and I'm a director of within the financial advisory division here at Vincent's and I'm Brett prefers the director of superannuation advisory here have been since also ready to go for our first topic. I'm ready Jared it's good. So today's segments obviously will cover topic or topics. We've got a couple interesting ones there. I'm on my list. Anyway in-depth discussion will we Repor grain who's are also a director here at Vincent's within our forensic accounting division. Now, he'll be touching on all things Royal commission and financial advisory. He's got a wealth of knowledge We can question him on today, which will be very interesting is a bit of a character loves ER it's a very good discussion. Actually. Yeah should be good Michael Lee will deliver a tasty red review and finally, we'll wrap things up with an economic summary from. Dr. Iran kulish from Deloitte. It was a heavy read but some Interesting content in that one. Yeah, very interesting actually. So let's jump into topic or topics brat. So what's your first topical topic red? Well Jared, I've got a couple here that I just thought it might be of interest for our listeners. So the first one is around is more for our small employers that might be listening. There's this concept of single touch payroll. So that's where all employers basically have to pay employees using software that allows them to report both the wages and the superannuation to the tax office on a regular basis. So this is big brother playing a troll getting essentially live time real time data in relation to money that they're paying on behalf for two people. There's been some discussion around this notion of the robo debt recovery system that the tax office and Centrelink are using this is where they're getting this data from this is where they're doing their data matching their analytics so they can say hey you're earning more than what you said you were going to be so For we want to claim some of our money back. Yeah, it's going to be a plus for both sides though, right? It's going to be once you get through the clunkiness of it all as a tax agent. It's the transparency that data is fantastic because what it means is we can actually we have more transparency at what's going on, which is really good. But to me is this is almost the tip of the iceberg. Where is it going to be leading to? So are we going to be at a point in say five years where? I will no longer need to do with tax return because the Ico has all your data. They have everything. They already have your dividend income your interest income. They already know when you buy and sell properties. They do data analytics looking for unusual transactions that you shouldn't be able to afford for boat purchases. They go through credit card details. They're already analyzing something like a hundred and eighty billion transaction. Where each year the ACO actually has the largest Pewter Australia Peter of the Bureau of meteorology has the second largest. So the data that they're analyzing now is massive and I can actually see that the point where there will be. No need to do individual tax returns because ACL will have everything. Okay, I'd be pretty happy with that. Yeah. Well, the other thing that we missing is where you want to claim a deduction now, that's actually how New Zealand do it at the moment, but they are not basically in a lifetime data it just basing off some assumptions. So I think we are moving quickly to a point where it will literally be live, which from a revenue collection point of view is really interesting. So so I suppose the the take out though is really that employers. They've got to embrace this in theory. They should have been doing it from 1 July 2019 the tax office gave them a few months to get used to it and there's different ways that you can actually embrace doing it. So there are free free software. You can do it through normal accounting payroll systems. So the important thing is just talk to your advisor. They'll be able to steer you in what works best for you. Okay. The other thing I want to talk about just quickly is a new type of contribution that we've been able to make into Super since 1 July 2018 and that's called the downsizer contributions. So these are essentially where you are selling your main residence after age 65. To in theory downsize but you don't have to and you can add three hundred thousand dollars into Super and if it's join own property, then you can put in 600,000 regardless of work test and age and all those other requirements that normally apply. So there's been already over a billion dollars that's been contributed using this particular type of contribution. I think what's quite interesting Though is a lot of more a lot more people have tried to use it but they haven't actually been eligible because they either their haven't owned the property for 10 years and the contract sale date was wasn't after 1 July 2018 all the proceeds from the sale of the home when actually exempt from capital gains tax. So it was an investment property. If you don't meet those criteria, then you can't make it so already People have have done it and I think that it's a really good initiative to allow people to put money into Super when they sell their principal place of residence. And I think it's a great concept. Yeah, and what if you got shared? All right, I got three for us today little bit left of left a field on some of these more first one is there was a drone attack on a Saudi Arabian oil facility its sense of shock waves through the investment markets. That's for processing some spike in the some oil stocks, but it looks like they're going to be pretty big production back online sooner than we thought but what I really want to say talked to was drones where to from here. This is just crazy. Well, it's really interesting because I think it will alphabet or Google. They're actually starting to do drone deliveries now and again Logan is a pilot area. So if you want a coffee, so instead of ubereats and someone turning up in their little motor moped. It can be a drone that delivers it for you. Yeah, I think dominoes will be right on top of this. Yeah, I'm sure they would be now. The other one was there was someone has designed home their own. I don't know. You can't really call it a boat, but he's flown himself out across the water and gone fishing. He's hooked himself through the a chair and a drone and if he's got a VB in the side pocket, he's taking himself fishing. So so is is that could that be the future of drones essentially single person manned flight? It's interesting World very solid. We have enough troubles driving cars heading into be flying around exactly. So that was my first topical topic second. One was the bis Oxford economics property forecast predicts. Brisbane will see the greatest National gain in housing prices, but not from in for another couple of years until the remaining over supplies consumed. They're predicting a 20% Jump by 2022. So for someone like myself, I'm looking at the property markets. Seeing what's out there. I'll tell you what those kind of numbers below meal. Yeah, my perspective is always been Jarred that the Brisbane property Market typically has a big jump then it plateaus for a number of years and that it has a big jump again Plato's for a number of years. It doesn't seem to have the volatility that Sydney and Melbourne do it doesn't have the Peaks and troughs within ye like within a year than those markets. Do we typically are more of a quick burn we set for Years of quick burn we said for a few years so that doesn't really surprise me because a property Market has been pretty much plateaued for probably the last in seven eight years. So if you want to follow the seven year economic theory of boom and bust then we're about due for another upturn in our Market. Yeah. Well, I just hope it just doesn't lead to bit more fomo fear of missing out for some people. So we I look forward to potentially getting Hey property specialist on to the show to talk to people about that. Yeah, good idea. My third one which would be remiss of me not to talk to but we've tax time come and gone and people probably getting some refunds. Hopefully where to spend your refund. So from my perspective focus on debt. So paying off those credit cards repayments of a home loan or looking to put down some funds for that deposit may be starting an Investment Portfolio getting you your shares on the go on purchasing some some stocks. And a fourth one superannuation and number five is invest in yourself or others. So there's a gentleman by the name of Michael Norton who's a professor of Harvard Business School and he's term this phrase happy money is spent on buying experiences buying time or spending it on others. It was interesting to read. What about spending on yourself? That's not an experience look you and I probably have a beer and that'd be an enjoyable experience that be money. Well spent but that might be all I get back from I'll text so that was my three topic or topics. Excellent. I'm moving on to our next segment is our deep dive discussion. Today. We're joined with our special guest Paul Green Paul is a director here at Vincent's within our forensic accounting division. He has over 20 years experience in the financial advisory space and is regularly caught upon as an expert witness for Testimony in the courts Paul. Give us a bit of insight today in regards to the Royal commission and all things Financial advisory what the next couple of years will look like and what's the Value of financial advice. I'm looking forward to that discussion with green. It should be very interesting. It'll be a great discussion. Well, thanks for joining us today people. So I suppose as a starting point. Can you give us a bit of a summary around the Royal commission that we've just had into the financial services sector? Yeah sure breath firstly there were over 10,000 submissions received of those surprisingly only 12% related to superannuation 9% to financial advice 61% related to banking. So today we're obviously going to focus predominantly. Play on the superannuation and and financial advice. The final report was issued earlier this year 1 February the current government gave their response on the 4th of February largely supporting the recommendations of the royal commission the opposition then which carries less weight these days because the election is now passed. Gave their response later on in February also supporting broadly the recommendations of the commission. I guess when we look at the Royal commission, we need to be careful of a number of points. The first is generally the matters that they address were matters of concern. So there were problems of people had identified. So we're going to be careful to put it in perspective. If it's not a the recommendations whilst they are useful doesn't mean that the entire industry was corrupt. Yeah, that's rule providing inappropriate Vice eccentric Center. So we do need to be a bit mindful that we also need to be mindful that largely the Royal commission investigated the big Banks and the big financial institutions. Tushin such as A&P and they're uniquely placed compared to a lot of other advisers in the market in that they were both advisors and the products and and and and Investments that are recommending were also within their circle of influence. So they had far more significant conflicts of interest that they had to manage also their massive organization. So they're to manage and control what's essentially professional advice being provided by thousands of advisors Nationwide lots of challenges there and at obviously when you've got large organizations like that the risk of things going astray at an individual advisor level or even in a systematic way are obviously a lot higher than what a lot of other financial advisors in the this would be so we also I think we do need to be a little bit mindful of that. It will basically build and if they do damned if they don't because the banks they have shareholders so they have to try and do the best they can for their shareholders. So they put incentives in place to try and get their advisors to make more money, which therefore make more money for their shareholders. That those led to the ethical dilemmas that many had with all doing things. They shouldn't have been are you acting the clients Best in Class best interest? So it's I think trying to find that balance is where the bank's particularly in that those large financial institutions have really struggled because they were basically putting their own interests before that of the client. Yeah, I think either the remuneration models lent themselves to abuse where If we peel back what Financial advice is firstly it's advices to strategy and secondly it's advice as to if necessary what sorts of Investments you might make to help that help that strategy flow out when you are the the owner of product. There's a tendency particularly where you've got remuneration models. Based on its you know where there's incentives to actually sell more product. You've got this massive conflict where my sense of it was they race through the advice aspect of their contract with the client and jump straight into the investment or Insurance product sides. So they were selling not advising and I think that's one of the cultural things that In a sense has been identified but I think the challenge with the industry generally is you've got a number of hands trying to guide it. So you've got the regulation. So we've always had certain laws in the corporations act dealing with financial advice deals with stockbrokers. Any any product advisers. You've also got professional guidelines. So the Financial Planning Association The Institute of Taking Parts if you're prepared to Kanye they are they guiding as well. And then the third thing you've got which applies to everybody is the common law duties to actually act in the best interests of clients. And so the Royal commission is only really addressing the regulatory side of it. And so there's been responses. I guess that at a professional level as well. going forward and how that will work with the regulations to try to produce a lower risk environment for some of the systemic problems that these large organizations have had and it's not to say that small financial advisors haven't fallen foul of greed and and having the clients best interests reduced to a lower level below their Uterus and negligent advice will always be everywhere. So I think it's important that a client, you know, the buyer beware. Yes, they're mindful of who they're dealing with and I think later on we're going to have a chat about the sorts of things that our client should be thinking when they when they're choosing an advisor indeed once they've chosen advisor in engaging with absolutely. Do you think that the everything's now been handed down we've seen the outcomes that have come through with the government's response. Do you see anything changing? Yeah, I do. I mean I was a bit I was a bit disappointed that some of the penalties word word harsher for the organization. So the individual level certainly what I've noticed is coupled with the findings at Pura and assic have been given a war chest of money and I Certainly that assic are on the Witch Hunt. They are chasing people to the corners of the earth as we know the day. There's some like 96 advisors that they're investigating at them right now. So here you're clearly they are on the Witch Hunt. Yeah, and and what I'm aware of at the moment is they're Prosecuting to the death. So in other words in I think prior to the Royal commission, they might have done a bit of a sweetheart deal with a each institution said I will look you know, we'll just Levy you are a modest fine or whatever the case may be the new regime post the Royal commission. They're actually striking people out. There's five year bands from advising. There's lifetime bans from advising. There's penalties to the the license holder as well. So rather just striking out the individual there's far more dire. This is the honors of licenses when they're appointing authorized reps to make sure they're putting the right people on I think that's been really useful is certainly in stamping out that selling culture and and flagrant disregard for clients best interests. Yes, the part that I think it's always hard to deal with is just day-to-day negligence where people are incompetent. Because that's not a willful act. It's not something that an organization encourages, but my view of the population of Australia in the population of advisers is there quite simply isn't enough competent advisors by a long way. What statistics is it something like only 20 percent of our population in Australia actually gets Financial advice. Hmm. So 80% of the market still even isn't even seeking Financial loss and Luger. Generation and it's interesting. You said that I pull because we're about to go through this whole new educational standard for financial advisors over the next few years and they're actually expecting about 30 to 35 percent of those advisers that are currently advising clients to basically stop practicing before out of the system. So that means we're going to have less advisors servicing clients and presumably because the compliance cost in the education cost is going up is going to be even more expensive to seek advice so that 20 Not drop to 15 potentially. So then so that's the corporate side of it. That's for the advisors. We've seen the penalties. So what it is, what does it mean for every day Aziz? Yeah. Well this might sound the tried but I actually don't think the Ray J more the way consumers deal with this should change much because if you go back over the years I've been involved in a lot of reviews of negligent advice. One of the key problems is what I just touched on before people who are either completely competent or in some other way a negligent now, it's hard to see to identify that because people don't have signs hanging on their chest saying on with competent eyes and another one so I mean kind of easier wouldn't it? So, I think it's there's there's a number of key things that you need. To to give some thought to now over the years the Financial Planning Association and their professional guidelines has not changed. The clients best interests have always been at the Forefront. We all those advisors absolutely if they've complied with the Professional Standards. So I would say to anybody who's talking to an advisor just try to understand their ethics. You know, what What they're actually thinking because a good advisor who was compliant 10 years ago will still be compliant with the regulations that are coming through the Royal commission and I say that because the regulations really are Co defying what good practitioners have been doing for many years as well. So from the consumers point of view certainly if they go to a large institution like a bank or an A&P or the like They will see a much thicker paperwork probably more invested time in the client. So the client won't be whisked in and whisked out of Exile heavy compliance focus a lot of compliance Focus, but if you're dealing with a really good competent professional advisor, they won't change much they'll still have easygoing conversations the process to get you to ultimately invest will be in a relaxed format. It won't be something where you meet them on. I day and all the sudden you're investing on Friday. If it takes you three months to get comfortable with the process a good adviser will be exactly the same as what they were some time ago. So I think it's largely going to be around. So I think a couple of things will happen obviously heavier compliance focus at the big institutions and that's going to potentially lead to an increase in the cost of actually delivering advice and Yankee career because these might fly Nicole that's right. I think the other thing is there will be a shortage of advisers as Brett said they'll be people who just leave they'll know that not that the game's up for some I'll say yes, the game's up on them. I've been selling when I should have been advising but there are others that say, you know what now? I'm not even up to the changes that are necessary to move into this new regime. So if I can find a young fellow who wants to buy my Business or then then I'll move on and so you can see that there's a lot of flex around with ownerships of businesses. But there's also this increase in education and then hopefully that's going to flow through to an improved quality of advice that's going to come from. Yeah, but I think I mean if you if you look forward at the faster your education program you're looking at three to five years and as I said, I think there's Such a shortfall of advisers that it could be a generation before we actually get the right pairing of the population that needs advice and a population of confident competent balances. But saying that they are bringing the component of the exam around fascia is at the ethical committee. We have to pass within the next couple of years that ethical Focus all advisors must be yes, then they'll be the educational standard and there's a lot of on ongoing ethical requirements around those those changes to 10 hours of Education each year on ethics. So to me that's a real focus of avoid enta fide as you're saying Paul that the ethics that the people of under that have had in giving advice could have meant to the pub test if I can put it that way they have it meant that the standard that should be expected of a competent advice. Yeah, and I think I think that focus is absolutely right in my experience. It's been the ethics that have failed a lot of people over the years have thought they're getting a certain service from their advisor and the advisors thought that they're giving a much narrower piece of advice and it's really at the foot of the advisor to make sure that everyone understands. What's what what the service offering is and if this Service offering fall short then the advisor must also advise why it's fallen short and who they might see to pick up the filling the Gap so I don't do any work in in mortgage broking but you would never leave the client without a proper review of of their loan position. If you are doing a proper financial plan, so you don't just Leave it on addressed. We don't leave the estate planning issues unaddressed. You might do it, but you are actually responsible. Ethically for making sure those things are touched off. So again, as I said, there was seem to have been a big rush to get to invest in people's money. Not only talking about think that's a common misconception. Yeah Marketplace that is financial advisor. If I'm wealthy that's the people who go seek Financial advice. That's just not the case. There's all those other aspects of an individual's life the debt management strategies our cash flow and we'll touch on those in podcast going forward, but the concept of just being focus on investments isn't the sole focus of a financial advisors roll. I mean again, I don't want to appear try but when you go I think when a clock goes and sees a financial advisor, they shouldn't be trying to get the best investment returns possible that that should not actually be their goal because There's plenty of ways to produce higher returns. And that's to take higher risk. Now. The right outcome is not to have very poor Investments. But if you've got a if you've got the right strategy so your heads from a lot of Taxation. So using superannuation those sorts of things and you're not taking more risk than you actually need to meet your goals. That's the journey that most clients want to go and now of course There are people who if you're promising not promising that if historical return on the stock markets being 10 or 11 percent. There are people who want to get 15% Well, I don't know who they go to see because as you would know plenty of people he promised much higher returns can only generally deliver those with much higher risk. Now whether the client ultimately wants to take those risks that That's up to them but you can't promise higher returns at a lower risk that those those situations actually don't exist. I think I think people need to be a little bit careful that Financial advice is a journey. It's not stop picking or sector picking. We're not saying we're all out of property or all into shares and it's a long-term relationship. So we as a financial advisor, we have an obligation to understand your goals and objectives. Know where you're at now and put that into a statement of advice our recommendations that document that we do if it's normally a lengthy document given all the compliance background. It's not a set and forget your circumstances change and you need to have a relationship with an advisor going forward that you can adapt those strategies that you have based on where you are in life whether that's starting a family whether that's transitioning into retirement, whatever it might be and it's doing all those little trimmings along the way if you can get a client Align and they say they've got seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in home loan and investment debt. If you can get them a half percent saving on that for the rest of their lives, that's good money manager, we're not taking and increasing the risk where we're minimizing the cost if there are better ways to hedge ourselves against taxation. So I have clients don't need money obviously trying to make lat there's larger possible. Superannuation showing the Clyde how doing those strategies produce hundreds of thousands of dollars of more retirement money. They're all big gains that come from using experts not from taking risk and a good advisor will make sure they can embrace all those opportunities and at least put them to the client and the client with the advisor can make sensible decisions about how they structure so I think couple key things your advisors there to help you make smarter decisions around what you do with your money and they're also there to give you Clarity on where you heading the future you communicate where you are now with your advisor and where you want to be the advisor fills the Gap along the way your he is there as your trusted relationship to go to so you need to be able to be open and honest with your advisor to go through that process and it's funny you say that because quite often on school hold information back particularly around estate planning because there are Better than don't want to open up the woods the issues that might be in the closet somewhere that they need to come out but they're almost embarrassed to but that can have a huge implication on that end outcome for that. If they need only puts, you know, they can give you that clear roadmap of where you're going and also be there is that accountability person and then some people get overwhelmed so they're there to help you take action. But I mean even when you were saying it's an ongoing path, And circumstances change. Somebody was asking me the other day. I was looking at Insurance matter. I said well in theory your insurance should actually go down every year because if I've got if at the moment I'm 53, and I'm working till I'm 65. The life insurance I need is to replace the financial contribution. I'll make to my family over the next 12 years. We're going to use time. It should actually be eleven-twelfths of water previously was and then 1012 sand etc. Etc. And clients have these policies that start off a million and a half when they're 30, and then when they 60 they're still paying Insurance on two million dollars because it's actually gone up each year and that's again is where an advisors import because an advisor would reassess your insurance needs and so will actually we don't need to pay for that. Say insurance this year actually had a needs to be 3500 are there might only be five hundred dollars, but we're an advisor. I think very handy is in making sure you are running the most efficient structure that you can going forward to meet you, which is the concept of I've earned a dollar. Does that dollar need to be spent on repaying debt? Does it mean put into Investments? Does it need to be put into Super? That's yeah, but that changes for every single person that is not the same strategy that can be put for Yourself bread or myself or your support? So that changes for every individual? Yeah, so pull in your view what constitutes poor advice then we'll pour advice is not having the discussion. We've just had so poor advice is so I've seen poor advice where estate planning on the data fact Vine is just two ticks. Do you have a will tick and Tig and what estate planning is very important bread. Is this a client? Should be put into a position where they take more risks with their Investments that they need to because somebody has asked this simple question. Do you want all your investment wealth handed down to the Next Generation. Do you want it to grow to be handed down to the Next Generation or are you happy for your million dollars when you retire to be only worth 300,000 when when you die because if we can actually Guardedly use some of your Capital to fund your living needs. You can either have a Higher Living need a Higher Living standard for the same risk, or you can have the same living standard but have less risk. So if you're a client if you're a client who is nervous, why would you take risk to give more to your beneficiaries if you're going to have a very Just lost 25 years of your life. And if you actually engage with the younger generation, they say you're crazy. Why would you be doing that for us where we going? Well enough well enough as it is. So there's a really simple thing, you know, I need to actually understand the client to properly give give that that type. But if you looked at those numbers that is a material here is a strategy that you take in with those two just that simple question of asking. What do you want left for your site? So I think I think a lot of poor advisors have presumptions about a client so clients walk in the door and they just see whatever they see and they start to advise to what they see rather than what they hear from the client. And so that's why I sort of suggesting that a client should be alert to somebody who needs them on Monday and is giving Investment advice on Friday that getting to know the client can take a long time and if you ask a client around that estate as soon as you rightfully said many of a very guarded it might take three months to break that client down but it's an it's a pretty important piece of information. It's in some ways like going to a doctor having to fess up all sorts of you can be things don't like zai Jian that you might feel very embarrassing and even if it's for those people that are might have it's okay. So you're 40 45 and you can have this level of uncertainty about how you progressed. And now we embarrassed if you haven't achieved the goals and objectives, so then to turn around talk to an advisor and say look I actually think feel like I'm falling short can be a bit of an embarrassing conversation. So if you're going to be able to do it and it suddenly that but I was actually the conference last week and there was an advisor there who was talking about this sort of topic of Interest. Planning client actually telling them they will they do needs and wants are decline of been married for 14 years and then being clients of this financial advisor for 10 years plus and it wasn't until recently that the advisor found out the client actually had a 12 year old son to another lady even though be married for 14 years. So they've been an affair a couple of years in and yeah, they had a had a child outside of the marriage but that had never come through that's a massive estate planning issue that if the advisor doesn't know about it, then they can't plan for it. They can't be able contingencies implies. The think the other issue with poor advice is not telling it as it is. It's a lot of advisors. Try to keep keep the conversation comfortable. So by that, I mean you can you can have clients who come in who have absolutely no sense of where they are and there's our want to retire in two years and you look at the numbers and you say well, it's not invest not not not possible and so a poor advisor might try to make a small amount of money produce. Extraordinary amounts of of income or wealth over a short period of time to try to meet the clients wishes, but that's not good advice. The right advice is to say well, you know what you're actually x hundred thousand dollars short. So that's either going to mean your lifestyle needs to come down or you need to work longer now, that doesn't mean you need to work longer full-time. It might be that you need to work part-time for a number of years, but you work the numbers through sigh in a sensible in a sensible way here are your your options to try to retire and enjoy this type of Lifestyle not be the advisor shouldn't be fearful of telling a client something that they don't necessarily want to hear and I think that that can be a failing and I think the other failing is thinking you can do better managing people's money than somebody else that that that That's sort of in some cases. It can be an arrogance. In other cases. It can be just misguided belief that the institution you're with is has been a research paper, you know permanently than other institution as you all know, sometimes trading shares in a particular year will produce a much better gain than Just holding shares and then in other years holding shares reduces significantly better gains than trading shares its concept of payers active. And so you've got all these sort of styles and every dog has its day and I think clients really need to get away from that whole thing except reasonable returns playing with reasonable returns by plan it in it with a protection in their mind when they're Nearing retirement because once they retire there's no other incomes or cash flows that can prop up bad investment decision. So you want to try to stay that a bit mainstream II feel because the risk of our performing an average return is that you might significantly under perform an average return. So I as I say, I think there's plenty to be gained with an Is a trimming the edges and making the right decisions around superannuation. Hey, you might restructure your borrowing see getting more tax relief taking up lending facilities that have lower interest rates and the concept of holding particular Assets in individuals names whether it be in your sphere sure in your name is the simple concept of okay, we're going to buy this particular asset but it B shares or property. Where should it be held should be holding your name. No, I'm running a Business I might be at risk so the concept of just purchasing an asset provides. Those are all benefits of Chip with Comprehensive Financial advice. Yeah, and then even with people who've got more wealth as they enter retirement is than they need there's a whole lot of issues around how they might allow the Next Generation to benefit from some of that wealth, but protecting that money from that next generation of things will see you a lot of this coming through As is generational wealth transfer going to have holding a lot more conversations around the purpose behind These funds and how it transitions to that next Generation. So I think the new era of financial advice is starting to come through. So we've discussed the Royal commission the outcomes of that if someone's going to walk into a and see a financial advisor tomorrow, what are a few questions that you put two on to say, okay. This is some things you probably need to ask your advisor to know that this is going to be a trusted. Relationship and he and that individual is going to deliver me. Yeah, so I mentioned one earlier one was around the ethics of of the advisor. So without pointedly saying tell me about your ethics. You can probably understand it through asking them some questions about their history how they go about the advising process. I think a relatively pointed question would be To see the response from the advisor. If I only got strategy would you be happy only to give me strategy advice if I was to just get strategy advice from you I could then go do my own Investments and and not that you necessarily would but you did I think you get different types of responses. I think the remuneration is interesting as well if you're only being remunerated. For placing Investments then then then that advisors got a vested interest in placing the most amount of money the challenge with that is a lot of the old business value models for financial advisors used to be a multiple of funds under management. So if a client had half a million dollars if I could get them to borrow another half a million dollars through a margin loan. I would have the original Half million the extra half million that they invested through the margin line and the margin line itself would be counted as a half million. So I've actually traveled traveled the value of that clients that clients business. So we're clients sense that it's all about Russ to Investments and maximizing the amount of money invested. I think they should they should be alert to that. Obviously ask about their experience and qualifications, I think on the back of the royal commission. I wouldn't say you shouldn't go to a large institution. But the large institutions regardless of these new regulations still have major conflicts of interest by being advisors of a product and And the providers of the product so so the entire institution gets advisor fees, then they get product placement fees, then they get the advisor itself themselves get an ongoing fee and then the institution also gets a funds management fee. So there's there's incredible. Financial benefits that come to those large institutions by having you invest with them. But if we're you probably wouldn't advise those if you've got Clarity on those fish are active if that advisors come to you and they've got this is where everyone's taking their fees. Here is all the fee structure if you as the client is if you're happy with that and you believe that the service and the quality is there then I think that's still okay. That's fine. Yeah, but that you're an inexperienced client. What are you measuring that so I tell you that through the process we're going to take four percent. Yeah, what does that mean to you? You know, you've got no Benchmark. So the true disclosure would be to say I'm with a MP. We lies the only recommend A and P products the risks of me only providing advice in relation to A and P products is obviously you're only with A&P our fee structures. Look like this the average in the industry looks like this. So we're actually charging you more or less those sorts of advisors also need to it to make a true disclosure to a client would need to also advised of other advisors that don't necessarily use managed funds. And so we have clients that have direct share Investments with a lower management ratio than these These funds we also have clients that do have fun. Because that that suits that suits The Climb that's right. When you're talking to an advisor, you need to understand how narrow is the type of advice that I'm getting. So even if you're going to get an insurance policy and you're looking at say income protection or total and permanent so woman policies definitions are critical as to whether you'll get paid or not. This is unlike death where with death you're either dead or you're not ugly but that with tpd and Income protection. It's quite different which is why you want somebody in that space who can basically canvassed the entire field of products rather than five products that are housed by Commonwealth Bank or NAB or Cc or whoever the case might be. So trying to understand what they can advise on and more importantly what they can't do and what the implications Vacations are to you of what they can't advise on is important. So if you actually think that I would like shares. The Commonwealth Bank financial planner and IP financial planner can't give you that advice. Now if they're properly acting in your best interest. I'll tell you that and provide an opportunity to actually get that part of the advice as part of their overall offering so trying to understand what they do and what they don't do I think is pretty important. And so that goes to their their independence I guess and the breadth of the advice that they And then the other thing I'd ask I would always ask is about the cost structure. So what the cost structure looks like compared to other providers and and those sorts of things. So if you're if you're losing three or four percent through the through the structure that's a lot when the the types of returns in balanced funds the share markets only sort of 8 to 10% You're giving away a lot of money advisor fees. So talking to them about costs of think is pretty important. But to me, the number one question is can you pay that advisor to tell you to do nothing and by that, I mean you pay an advisor to look over all your Affairs and and can they be comfortable to tell you you know what? I think this is fine do nothing. Because I think they'd be a lot of people with experiences you've had money in the bank and they'll comfortable with money in the bank and the next thing they're invested in a fund because somebody's giving them a phone call sometimes doing nothing is the right advice. It's hard to give that advice because you know, it feels like there must be something to be done. But often times the right advice is to do nothing and if if the advisor can be Yoona rated for reviewing and coming up with a do-nothing advice. Then they probably don't have your best interest at heart. They're probably still have their own Financial interests ahead of yours, which could does put you in a precarious position. Yeah, and then really comes back to that old risk-return thing people at someone who's got eight million dollars and even if they just have that sitting in the bank and it's generating say eighty or a hundred thousand dollars a year of income if that's enough for them to live off then they don't need to do it now. No, and so you can have a lot of advisors think well, that's a waste. Yeah, but it's not a waste. It's not always for the client. Yeah, it might you might think it's a waste and you should never be in a position where you think, you know better for the client. I think that's that's pretty important. I mean, we we had a client. I remember one time it will during the GFC and their assets basically dropped by 40% credibly worried about it. I said, well the assets that you've got should continue to produce the income. You need to fund your lifestyle as it even if that drops off 10% you got you're still going to be comfortable and they walked away like a piano to be taken off their back. They were though just so relieved because I said that's how we've planned your strategy a strategy is that you will draw X dollars a year and the assets. We'll just move up and down with the way the market moves and ultimately at some point in the future, you know, they'll be passed on to the next generation. And so they are really retire is so they they did want their income to grow and that naturally meant that the assets ultimately would grow as well so that a lot of shares and they got I got moved around a bit, but that's how you should advise. Not not tell that. I'm we necessarily stock Traders and we're going to move money around every month to maximize again that that was never in this clients mind. They're in their mind. They he just wanted to know that he and his wife would still be able to go on holiday to to Spain or Italy was consistent reliable income can and that's what we set up and look it doesn't shoot the lights out. They know that but they also know That it's very solid in terms of producing what they want year after year. So, you know, hopefully it contributes to them having a happy retirement and you know, I mean Marcus to move up and down but now they're they're educated, you know, they're pretty comfortable with it. All right. Well that probably wrap things up. I will go through a summary grab me if I pick me up on anything that I might miss but so Royal commission, we've seen some big changes and Penalties handed down it has changed the face of advice and other aspects of the industry for every day Aziz. We will see some changes potentially increasing compliance. The client experience is going to change so they'll be probably a longer client experience and potentially the cost may increase as well. There is significant value in actually seeking professional adviser and the relationship there definitely but the key is having finding someone that you can build rapport. Get it get some clarity around the way in which their that these are structured and how the cost of feed through to you. But seeking out across and their ethics yeah going from there. So there's anything else you wanted to add bright? No fall. No no summary. It's pretty weather up there. I will thank you for joining us Paul. Our listeners have got some inside there inside. Yeah, so and that's the wrap. Thanks for thanks. So we have Michael back today for our very first tasting thanks for joining us Michael the thanks guys a novel. So what do we have today? Well, I went downstairs pulled out a bottle last night. I thought we'd start with a nice Shiraz from the Barossa area in South Australia this particular one. It's a The Dandy lion lion heart. It's a 2017 and you can probably pick this one up from 20. 80 bucks a bottle and then kind of Dan Murphys you might get a little bit late and he gave us one for you. I see my project. So look just as far as these tasting that's the way I just thought would do it and I mean, you know, you just sit there and more or less. It's just having a bit of it like they say a bit of a journey. So it's you know, having a look at it having a look at the color telling what you getting on your nose, you know, when you when you when you smell it and then eight Lee what's the sort of taste of it? So that's the best part for me. So this particular one let's let's just have a go with them a look and see what we think. So, I mean just looking at that and that's pretty dark. I mean, you know, it's a really rich sort of purples and a card Deep Purple, you know sort of almost black. So, you know, it's quite interesting and you have a look at him there and maybe just on the nose. I'm just getting these really strong sort of like blackberries, you know that sort of stuff and you actually getting a bit of that. You know that Finley spy. See sort of spicy thing. I mean, yeah we go there and tell us what you think. Yeah, I can certainly take smell those berries coming through. That's for sure. So, yeah, it's a you know, it's it's pretty pretty interesting sort of on the nose that men give me a little bit of a taste. It's just after five o'clock. Everything's alright so willed it is anyway, so I may just pasting that. I mean that's that's pretty true to medium body, you know medium to full bodied man, and it's got the very similar. It's got that sort of real to the main search plumie. It's you know, sort of, you know with sort of like that Licorice and a bit of spice in it. So that's what I'm getting and then it's not very really nice actually. Yeah, it's so it's you know, it's good. I mean just on the palate it's you know, it's actually I think it's You know, this is going to you know to 2007 a you can still taste. It's pretty young when I'm not sure exactly. You know, how well the the sort of thing would keep it term. Did you say that you think you can use to see if as if those flavors came out a bit more or yeah, I definitely I mean, like I said, you know, that's a pretty pretty good for a you know, 2020 Buckle of Y. And so I think I think I picked up. Case only five or six of them right there. And yeah now that's that that is actually that is quite good. That's really really good. Very nice. I mean, it's on the dry side of sweet, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah now it is I mean, but yeah, I mean you taste them again and and smell that again you cheese it those dark berries really coming through guys. All right. Well, I think I'll be heading down to the Barossa shortly. Thank you very much, Michael. We look forward to our next episode sounds good guys get their base model. J so next let's jump into our economic summary provided by Deloitte was your takeaway from here bread. Probably the two negative yields. What the hell are they? Yeah and trade War. Yeah looks like negative yields is I find fascinating because not that long ago. We're hearing how we were having these the bond markets were in negative or producing negative yields. That means we're having a recession because that's been a predetermined for the last Pro Mini recessions that it means that one's coming. Yes. Now I would have thought that if the GFC is taught us nothing that history does not predict 8 the future and that sometimes there is just a new Norm. Is this just a new Norm right this low interest rate environment? Yeah, even you know, like when I was growing up when I was 17, I remember when I had a term deposit. Posit that gave me an interest rate of 18 percent now and Home Loans were 22% If you would have at that time to do any one that you could go and borrow money to buy a house that had an interest rate with a 2 or a 3 in front of it. They just laughed at you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So is this just a part of a new cycle? Is it because we never actually dealt with the GFC properly. So instead of it being the normal. Coming out of a recession. We've just got this lows Slow Burn. Is that enough wood burner or downward burn? We don't really know you so here is Jerry obviously, we're not in this negative yield environment yet, but they're talk in this economic article that Germany France and Japan are the three countries that are now issuing and have significant amounts of negative yield yielding debt. What does that mean for the individuals over there? I will and the an individual over there. They going to the bank and actually borrowing and the bank's paying them money to go and buy a house or use funds. Well the goal ultimately I suppose let's take it back a step banks have to borrow money from somewhere. So typically they will borrow Banks from another country. So here in Australia the Commonwealth Bank for argument sake they will Source whatever money they need either from The Reserve Bank of Australia. Or they will go overseas and borrow money from a bank in America or a foreign country or something by so the cost that they get to borrow out of that be one or two percent. So, you know Australia, yep is then lead has a direct impact to what they did and can charge the consumer, correct? So obviously if so, let's keep it simple. Let's say they're borrowing from you from The Reserve Bank, and that's when the half percent at the moment. So that means that there R cost of funds before thinking about they're paying staff paying the having the branches paying for the Ivory Towers and every Capital City all that sort of thing is one half percent then they have to factor in how much profit or recovery do we need to make on those expenses so we can actually have a viable business right and paste shareholders and do all those sort of things that we have to do now at the moment. I've got it now. Jack interest rate. This is called 4% for the sake of the argument. So that means that if half a percent of that 4% is their Prophet one and a half percent is the cost of funds 2% Is there running the business, you know, so it's simplistic form that's how to design to work. So if we ever get to a point of having negative interest rates from The Reserve Bank in Australia, it just means that that first one and a half percent crops, so instead of being One and a half percent if it's negative point five, then in theory the four percent that I'm borrowing from The Reserve Bank a sorry that I'm borrowing from the Commonwealth Bank drops to two percent. Yeah, which then leads this downward spiral where we have negative interest rate environments it they drop interest rates to try and stimulate the economy. And that's your people out there and spending there's no buffer there anymore notice we go into negatives. There's no buffer. Yeah that actually go about stimulating the economy of something. Well, it's essentially there's two types of economic. Theory so you have monetary policy and fiscal policy. So this is monetary policy. How do you drive consumer Behavior through essentially letting them borrow money cheaply? Yeah. Now the risk is with monetary policy that we have a lot of Regulation as we've already heard from ball grain most of the recommendations from the Royal commission were actually based on the banking side of the system now. The bank's can't assume that interest rates will always stay at 2% or whatever. It is at some point. You've got to repay with interest. So even now interest rates at 4% they assume a 7% interest rate. So that's now that's changed. So they've dropped that buffer. Yeah. Yeah, but they you stay still there. Assuming interest rates will rise at some point. Yes, I have to do that's right. So you still have to repay the capital you still have to repay whatever interest rate it is so much. Trade policy Works to an extent because regulation still kicks in and compliance still has an overarching influence in here in my mind and people still need to actually spend the money and not that they're saving not save it. So you mentioned before Jared you're looking at buying a house. So if let's say you go and buy a house today. You've got it was good enough impetus. Therefore you want to do that. That's right. So is that property? My property prices going up is that interest rates being low? Is it a combination of all these things it all comes into that that investment mix if you like as to what makes a good decision. Yeah. They're hoping that people will ultimately they might want to upsize them. I want to do Renovations on their homes in Australia. We've seen a massive uptick in people. Rather than replacing houses. Yes, and some of that is probably because it's it's cheaper and easier. You don't have the all the on cost of real estate agents stamp Duty or transfer Duty and all that sort of redundant at the end of the day the interest of dropped. There's more Dollar in your pocket. Yeah. So therefore you go and spend it on your property you bring in the painter you bring in the plumber they make money then they go spits about trying to generate some that flow of income and cash or around the economy to stimulate it. Yeah, and if that's the theory of monetary policy we fiscal policy. Basically, it's the government spending money. Yeah, so infrastructure, so, you know, we've heard the last few budgets you had I want to spend ten billion dollars doing all these different projects. Well, that's all great. But that I will takes a lot of time, you know, it'll cross River Rail is a great example in Brisbane. Yeah. Yeah. We've been talking about this for a number of years so I can be finished. I don't think until 2024 which will already Re going to be at a point that it's it's needed so to speak because there's already congestions on those train lines are stuff out there. That's for sure. And this is some of the problems that governments don't want to spend money until they really have to and by that point. Typically it's already past the point. So they're building for what we needed not what the future allows like. Yeah, and then that feeds into this whole notion of productivity gains. So a productivity gain can be as simple as getting people to work quicker so they can actually be productive in their days environment. Right? So if it takes you half an hour to get to work now in five years time if it takes you one hour, you've lost half an hour each way an hour a day. That's a productivity loss. You know, that makes sense. So that's what when the so when they talk about productivity gains that some of its as simple as building infrastructure to move people around more efficiently so they can be productive in their lives. Is that being earning money or spending money? Yeah. Well, I certainly don't think this will be the last time we hold a conversation around these negative interest rates around for it's going to be around for a lot longer. I would expect I think it should be a topic we discussed more. Well, that's right Lee you hear Donald Donald Trump putting a lot of pressure on the FED in America saying he wants zero interest rates over there. Yeah, there's the FED started to increase interest rates and then the economy started to turn and I hang on maybe we shouldn't be doing this. So they've stopped probably a good lead-in trumpy. What's he up to with China trade Wars? So lots of white doesn't he drive the markets every day Trump comes out with a tweet their Market goes one way or another it's creating significant volatility, but from reading this I'm getting a better understanding what the trade will actually means and I'll touch on it as we go but it's the uncertainty the uncertainty leads to people sitting on their hands and not taking action. So with over there you've got Dave you got two big Power houses. They're going for it. Trump's words to 15 percent tariff on white goods China retaliates and does something else but what it does lead to is that a small business in the u.s. Might be importing goods from China today to then create a new product and then try and sell that on sell that to arrest people around the world. So if they don't have certainty on how much those import costs are going to be mmm, they could soon as they do they could go. Okay. Well we might go to another Other country and we'll import our goods from somewhere else because we've now got stability on how much it costs and we've got no water margin needs to be on our product. And therefore we know what we can then charge the market whilst that's fluctuating around and the two governments are speculating on what that looks like that uncertainty is what leads to concerns around the economy and a potential the big are words recession because it stifles that growth and I think that some of the driver behind what Trump's trying to achieve in some regards Is he is he doesn't necessarily believe in a free market. So he doesn't believe that everyone throughout the world Chevelle the bond sold stuff with no impediment. He wants to have a manufacturing base in America. Yeah, the whole purpose is to bring manufacturing back into the u.s. Exactly now, which is all well and good but ultimately people the American Consumer will pay more for the goods and services that they care. Currently receiving because it costs more to produce. So if it costs more they can they're paying more for it. That's where the recession potentially leads to because are they learning anymore? Probably not. Yeah, that's right. So all of a sudden people they can't afford to buy whatever which it was that they have been buying because it's now more expensive so they don't so people stop spending. So it almost has a negative correlation to what he's trying to achieve. My mind anyway, I hope you sorted out sooner rather than later. But I think this is going to be like the native interest rates. I think we'll be reading about this in the economic section for a yeah. Well, it's come a lot of it comes back to if we could get him off Twitter. I think that everything would become a lot calmer. It's probably true. Is it almost easy and economic policy via 280 characters, you know, it's fascinating. It's we've never had an economic environment like it. Between the two essentially balls of the global economy essentially butting heads one doing it via Twitter the other one doing it as a retaliation and then obviously in the back room of got this whole brexit stuff going on and whatever that's going to look like in the impacts that's going to have on the two biggest European economies being Germany and the UK. That's right the from a global point of view. There's a lot of uncertainty in the world economy what that's I mean for us here in Australia who really knows what's inside. Nobody knows how that flows through. Look at the moment. I think our exports are actually up because China is getting stuff from Australia as opposed to America so it can be a positive but it's that uncertainty. 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Hi, I'm Janet mccullar. I'm the custody lawyer wrote this book. There's my name you can find me on the web at Janet mccullar.com and I am a Texas Attorney who is a board certified family law practitioner, which means I took some tests and got some references and became a specialist in family law in the state of Texas. I also am a fellow in the American Academy.To me a matrimonial lawyers, which is an organization of the nation's top fifteen hundred divorce and custody lawyers. I do mostly custody work and I recently wrote this book the custody lawyer to help parents who may be going through a custody dispute. I've got a lot of videos to talk about this and I hope that you will order my book. You can find it on Amazon. Thanks. So continuing in the series on Parental alienation today we're talking about how do you prove parental alienation? So the first thing that you'll see in Parental alienation Zyzz, there's an effort by the favored parent to limit contact between the unfavored parent or the parent who's being alienated and that can be phone calls that Are never returned text messages that aren't answered or the response is obviously not something that a child would respond with. So any effort to limit contact is one of the very first signs the child's never available. There can be a court order that says that contact has to be at a certain time and that's not happening. So that's one of the first things that you're going to see. Another thing that you see in alienation cases is they the parent who's favored will refuse to force the children to go and visit the non favored parent. So what does that look like in that situation? What we'll see is a parent who says something like I can't make my child get in the car or I can't make my child visit or The child doesn't want to see you and I I can't physically pick the child up and put them in the car anything where you can see a situation where if the child for example were sick and needed to go to the doctor. Would that parent be able to make the child go to see the doctor if the child said, I don't want to go to school today. Doesn't that parent have the ability to make the child go to school that day. Looking for those kind of scenarios where the parent is just not encouraging and supporting a positive relationship between the parent and the child. Another thing that we sometimes see is enmeshment between the favored parent and the child. So the relationship is Beyond close. I mean many parents. I have a son I adore but many parents go beyond that and they start to have a relationship with Child that starts to look like something like the the child is like a best friend to the parent or is caretaking the parent for example, if Mom is the person who's alienating and dad has a new girlfriend the child sees this extreme sadness and Mom about the relationship and so the child is trying to make Mom. Feel better about the relationship that starts to look like and nourishment in the relationship other things that we see is undermining the relationship. So we're looking at things like the parent refusing to give information about a child's activities refusing to put down the parent as an emergency contact on the school records. We're looking at things like, you know not Giving information about medical appointments Dental appointments extracurricular activities not sharing that kind of information. And so there's an undermining so that other parent does not have an ability to participate in the child's life also interfering in possession. So this can look like a parent comes to school early and pick the child up when they know dad is coming that day, or they know. Know that a parent's going to attend a medical appointments at the last minute. They change the appointment and so the parent misses out on a yearly checkup. Those are the kind of things that can undermine a parents relationship with their child. The other thing is they can have bad-mouthing. So the parent is talking to the child and saying negative things about the other parent not Speaking highly of the other parent not encouraging that child to have a good relationship with their other parent. And so that's another thing that we look at is the parent who's alienating confiding too much in the child. Does the child know too many too much information about the parents divorce for example, does the child know that maybe in a parent had an affair or that there's other information? Learn about child support payments and things like that that children should be protected from children usually aren't divorce. They're not going to know the details of of what happened between the parents that caused the divorce most parents want to protect their children from that but in alienating situations, the child is often brought in and given that kind of information. Another thing that we see in these cases is where a parent will portray. A the other parent as a danger to the child or that they live in an unsafe neighborhood which statistically might not even be close to accurate. But anything to sort of undermine the child's sense of safety in the care of their other parent the the alienating parent wants to undermine that so how do you prove these kind of things you may recognize and can be checking off boxes. Even as I've been going through describing these things. So how do you prove them in court? Well, first of all, what I say to people is that when we're in court we have to show and not just tell and so what that means is that we have to have some kind of tangible way of showing the court that these things are can happen. And that doesn't mean that you have to have video recordings or tape recordings. All those can be good if they're allowable where you live we don't have to have that. Kind of level of proof. Sometimes it's just enough to be able to describe the situation with great detail and what I mean by that is it's one thing if I say that while the parent is alienating and it's another thing if my client is testifying and saying things like, you know on this day the alienating parent limited my contact by not answering you. No the phone when I called to talk to the child and this has happened on 50 occasions. So we start keeping detailed records of things like that tracking information providing the attorney with text messages to the child records that show the telephone calls have been placed emails that have been sent and gone unanswered all of those things start to look like documents going to the school and getting copies of the enrollment records that show the parent isn't On there as a emergency contact. Those are the store to things that we start Gathering. The other thing that I talk to people about is can you send an email that says to the alienating parent? I tried to call today at our court order time of six and no call was returned and either the parent will respond to it with some excuse which starts building. A pattern that shows a strange menteur alienation or they don't respond at all and they ignore it and either way you've got some helpful information that you can use to persuade a judge that you're having alienation in your case other ways that we do it if there's bad-mouthing and so forth There are rules in court about what can be said by other people. So there's a rule called hearsay so you can't We talked about what your child has said to you except under certain limited circumstances, but that doesn't mean that you don't want to provide your attorney with all the information that you can about the statements that the child has made to you. And sometimes those can be followed up to document by sending a follow-up text message. Like I had a telephone conversation with you today, and you refused to come and see me on Friday and And and so I just want to make sure that I understood that accurately starting to do things to document so that you can show the judge and not just tell the judge about what's happening. The other thing too is sometimes working with a counselor will definitely help as well going in meeting with a counselor talking to them about the things that you're seeing with the child and then you're now creating another person who can come in and and testify in court about The situation with the family keeping track of communications documenting calendars showing, you know, keeping records of things that are appearing on social media. All of these things can start to build up quite a lot of evidence that we can show to the court in almost every custody case. It's a he said she said or he-said he-said she-said she-said between the parents. And the judge is looking at The credibility if you're able to come in and you're able to give example after example of the type of behavior that you're describing is alienating the judge can draw their own conclusion about what is happening in that situation and can see for themselves that the parent is alienating. It's just like if you're dealing with a parent who's angry if you Come in and say oh the parent was so angry and they were bullying me that's not as descriptive as breaking it down to what the behavior look like and really giving details about what was happening. So just to recap some of the things that we look at for alienation limiting contact refusing to force children to visit the other parent enmeshment with a parent undermining the other parent interfering in the relationship or the visitation with the other parent bad-mouthing confiding in their child about things that really are not appropriate for a child to know or portraying the other parent as dangerous are some great things to look at if you're dealing with a situation where there's parental alienation or in strange moment involved. Thanks so much for listening today. I hope that you will check me out. at The custody lawyer. I'm Janet mccullar. You can find me at Janet mccullar.com. You can book a consultation with me you and your attorney can book a consultation with me. I'd love to help you out with your custody issues and I can do that from anywhere in the world. And so I hope you'll book an appointment lots of resources on the website. Thanks for listening.

Continuing in the series on parental alienation, today we're talking about, how do you prove parental alienation. The first thing that you'll see in parental alienation is there's an effort by the favored parent to limit contact between the unfavored parent, or the parent who's being alienated. That can be phone calls that are never returned, text messages that aren't answered, or the response is obviously not something that a child would respond with. Any effort to limit contact is one of the very first signs. The child's never available. There can be a court order that says that contact has to be at a certain time, and that's not happening, so that's one of the first things that you're going to see. Another thing that you see in alienation cases is the parent who is favored will refuse to force the children to go and visit the non-favored parent. What does that look like? In that situation, what we'll see is a parent who says something like, "I can't make my child get in the car, or I can't make my child visit, or the child doesn't want to see you, and I, I can't physically pick the child up and put them in the car." Anything where you can see a situation where if the child for example, were sick, and needed to go to the doctor, would that parent be able to make the child go to see the doctor? If the child said, "I don't want to go to school today," doesn't that parent have the ability to make the child go to school that day? Looking for those kind of scenarios where the parent is just not encouraging, and supporting a positive relationship between the parent and the child. Another thing that we sometimes see is enmeshment between the favored parent and the child, so the relationship is beyond close. Get even MORE great info, buy the book NOW! You will undoubtedly glean from Janet’s 26 years of experience as “The Custody Lawyer” with every show revealing hard facts on; Visitation, Alienation, Child Support and how to best help your kids as they transition into a new normal. Listen and find out how “we have a passion for families in crisis” has become our moniker, you’ll want to share, “The Custody Lawyer Podcast” with anyone you know going through this difficult journey. About Janet McCullar Janet is a nationally respected trial attorney known for her skill and success in the courtroom. Janet has represented clients in hundreds of complex divorce and custody cases. Despite her skill as a litigator, Janet’s cases are routinely resolved amicably whenever possible to save the client the time, cost and pain involved in litigation. If litigation cannot be avoided, you need the services of a respected and skilled litigator. Janet is Board Certified in Family Law by the Texas Board of Legal Specialization. She was also selected to be a Fellow in the prestigious American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, an organization of the nation’s top divorce attorneys. Janet is a frequent author and speaker on divorce and custody issues. Away from the office, Janet is a mother of three children. Janet has a passion for physical fitness, reading, the arts, traveling, and community service. In recent years, Janet has enjoyed learning to sail.

Welcome to the steroids podcast with your voice Dan the bodybuilder sometime. The steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history, you have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information that lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime this information has been suppressed this long. Now, let's get on with the podcast. Okay, we're going to start out this episode of the Paw steroids podcast today talking about Roid Rage. So if there's any confusion on whether or not Roid Rage, Let me tell you this stir steroids whether their estrogen progesterone. Testosterone Etc whether male or female have in steroid levels be changing fluctuating in your body and having abnormal levels of them is going to affect your mood. So when you're using steroids, it's going to affect your mode. Okay, you know how women on birth control it affects their mood it affects the way they feel So using steroids using for muscle building, it affects your mood and the way you feel okay, so it doesn't do it all the time. It doesn't change your personality. it just if you had like an equalizer, you know how you have an equalizer for audio and it has low frequencies low bid mid-range frequencies and then high range frequencies mid high range frequencies, you know, you can adjust all these levels. Okay. So those levels of you and your personality that are already there. Is it taking the steroids it adjust some of those levels on that equalizer, you know, like some of those lows or some of those highs and like a just sum up and down and just in general. There's a little more highs and lows. They definitely don't force you to do anything. They don't force you to do any kind of bad behavior. Some people say like, oh well, like I acted that way because I was on roids and you know, the roids may have influenced you a little bit to have a certain initial reaction to a certain situation because they can do that. They can influence you it influence your initial reaction that your body has where you feel a certain way within moments. In it in a situation dealing with other people, but just like alcohol they don't force you to do anything. They certainly do not force you to be violent. That's definitely a misconception, you know, what the kind of people that take steroids generally. feel a bit insecure or they are perfectionists, you know and perfectionist. The reason why they feel insecure is because they have such high expectations for themselves or you know, somebody that just starts out with a big ego obviously for every positive. There is also the negative so starting out with a big ego also have you know some large insecurities and so that person has high Spect a shins very high expectations for themselves and that that can be a type of person that can be being affected emotionally by the by having hormones in their body. Bottom line is what I wanted to say is that it's just like alcohol though or anything else. It doesn't force you to do any Behavior or eating action you're in control and the thing with the steroids to is that that it doesn't like consciously affect your mind or like make you high or anything like that. So you're very much in control. You may be influenced a little bit to be in certain moods, but the bottom line is that you don't want to be a bully and you're going to be bigger and stronger than other people and then here's what Steroids do do is they take away the fight or flight impulse on the on the flight side. They make it so that you're not scared. All right, there's a wind blower. You're gonna have to deal with that for a moment. Sorry about that. Nothing I can do about it. With the steroids they they're going to remove the feeling of fear. When you get in a fight or flight situation where you get challenged to a fight or something like that or you're in a dangerous. They don't remove the feeling of fear when you're in a dangerous situation so much that because they do increase some like paranoia type of feelings, but When you're going to be in a potential altercation with someone you no longer have any sense of fear. Associated with having it go to a physical point when your natural you always feel like oh, I you know, that's the last goddamn thing that I want to happen. At least for the most part at least for the most part. That's what you're thinking for. Most people. There are some delinquents, you know who like fighting but most natural people who aren't on Roads are deathly afraid of fighting. Okay, that's like the last thing on Earth that they want to do. Okay there they have a deep deep fear of getting in a physical altercation and I can tell you that when you are on steroids, you will not have that fear anymore that that goes away. Okay, so that's the truth. All right, and just remember though that you know, you've got nothing to prove if you're on steroids. You don't need to be physically fighting with people. I mean that's ridiculous. You're already big and strong and everyone can see that and knows it and then if you go being this guy that's like, you know, like big and bigger and stronger than other people. And you know people are already going to be just seeing you in thinking like oh, well that guy's probably aggressive and then you just like prove that stereotype True by being some out of control, you know monkey that you know is injecting himself with hormones and creating scenes in public, you know, getting in physical altercations can't control himself. You know, it just makes you look like a complete complete fucking Loser dude, you don't want to be that guy like you do not want to be that guy. Everybody is gonna be watching and not think it's cool. If you're being aggressive and you're on steroids and you're fighting with people everybody's going to be thinking like, oh my God, this guy is like such such a fucking loser. So just just remember these things. Okay. This is my two cents on Roid Rage. All right. All right, so I wanted to get on to the first question now of the day. which This one is from MW. And he asks dear Dan. I have your book. I did a 10 week cycle with 250 test and ante per week and 400 Primo per week. What do you recommend for PCT? I have Clomid Nova HCG probe. Ayran. Also, I hear many guys use probe. Ayran in PCT. Thanks in advance. Yeah the probe ayran in PCT. So the provider In old guys increases their their sperm count. I'm not sure if it does in younger guys or not, but what it does do really good is that it increases your sex drive for your libido. So if you go into PCT if I mean you just did a 250 test an empty 8 400 provable in per week cycle, and now you're going to do the PCT with the Clomid know. Nova HCG and probe. Ayran. I mean you might have a higher sex drive on your PC T. Then you had on your cycle if you used 50 milligrams of probe ayran per day for example, so that's how strong probe ayran is at helping your sex drive. So that's why people like to use it during PCT generally though. on HCG doing something like two or three thousand I use per week. So, you know like Monday and Thursday doing a thousand I use or Monday Wednesday Friday doing a thousand. I use something like that and doing that of HCG human chorionic gonadotropin intramuscular injection doing that for three four five weeks six weeks or so. Usually that's fine. PCT the node X and Clomid you can put in there too. And that will make it even better. You can do those at Nova decks at 20 to 40 milligrams come in at 25 to 50 milligrams per day each with the HCG in there at the dosage is said before and then the probe ayran pro-vitamin starts to be effective at 25 milligrams per day and then from 50 to 75 milligrams. As per day it's really effective. It'll also has some oily skin effects and acne affects that it can have as you increase the dosage and it's usually like deep under the skin cystic acne. So not fun type of acne. That's if you're really susceptible to it, but even me, for example, I'll get acne once I start running more if I run 50 milligrams provide. And per day or more. I'll start getting a little bit of acne. And I'm somebody who doesn't normally get acne. I did when I was younger, but I took antibiotics for a few years and also I used isotretinoin gel on my face for about six months. And so that's like a cute angel. Yeah. It's a cute angel that I put on my face in the mornings. That's isotretinoin jail. It's the same thing as Accutane in the tablets, except you put it on your face and a gel and that really burned when I would put it on my skin that burns really bad for about 60 seconds and then it's done and yeah, I did that for 6 months after using tetracycline and Minocycline antibiotics for a couple years and that cleared up my acne. The head, you know, not like severe severe acne when I was a teenager, but it was pretty bad when I was starting when I was about 15 until I was 17 or not. Probably stopped kind of started going down when I was around 20 years old 19 or 20 years old at Acme wasn't started getting not as bad anymore. But during those teenage years. I would have ones that it would make me, you know, really big one. That would make me look like a I got punched in the face or you know stung by a wasp in the face or something. It would be really deep under the skin and it sucked. So with the tetracycline, I used 250 to 500 milligrams per day. My doctor prescribed that for me my general practitioner dr. 250 500 milligrams per day of tetracycline for a couple years and that is really effective because acne is caused. By bacteria creating little infections in your skin. And if you're on the antibiotics your body becomes an inhospitable place for your for bacteria. So when the bacteria make their way down into your poor, they can't replicate down there. They just die when they get down there and so the the antibiotics when you take it like that daily, and that's what I did for a couple years. It makes your body a totally inhospitable place for those acne causing bacteria to get down into and get down into your skin. They just die when they get in here so it sort of stops acne from the inside out. So that was really really effective for me. The thing with people that have acne is that I always think men you got to go to your doctor and get that taken care of because they can really help you they have stuff and they will Really help you. A lot of people's want to go straight for Accutane. But that stuff is really harsh on your system. It makes it makes you pretty unhealthy while you're on it. It's really a strain and so they make you come see them and do blood work once every two weeks or once a month when you're on Accutane. They really don't like to prescribe that one but the other stuff they can they can do to Accutane. Gel. They'll prescribe that no problem usually and also the antibiotics a effective if you're doing this stuff like, you know, the the new thing that they've got on TV or you know, the new skin care product that says anti-acne advertised at the mall or whatever. The new celebrity is using that that is nowhere near that is that is nowhere near as effective as what they can do for you at the doctor and they can really solve your acne problems. So for you guys have acne. Just go see your doctor and they're going to be more than happy to help you, you know get that Warzone off of your face because that's what it was like for a lot of guys that I knew and that's it was kind of a low grade Warzone, I guess on my face when I was a teenager and that was like screwing up. My life life is so much better without acne. So make sure to just go get a doctor's appointment or something like that you talk to Me a little bit more if you want. Hit me up if you want to talk a little bit more about acne. Alright, next question is from Alien genetics. I used about half CC of test an ante from a vile about seven to eight months ago. I realized it may have not been the smartest thing. Is there a risk of infection even with sterile injection practices. Okay. So I think he's saying that he opened a vial of steroids. From seven to eight her he did it seven to eight months ago and he was using it like using testosterone from the vile and then he waited seven to eight months. I think that's what he means and then now seven to eight months later after using it he he now is using it again. So the thing with this is did you always draw with a clean needle that hadn't been into your A mistake that someone could make that could contaminate the vile would be taking an injection and then sticking the needle back into the vial. I'm not saying that you did this. I'm just saying there's probably some people here listening to this who may have done this or may do this. Okay, if you do stop doing it. May have given them self an injection then taking the needle out of themselves and then stuck the needle back in the vial and filled up more oil and then given themselves a second injection right there, you know in the same go. Okay. And so if you're doing this just don't do it because you're contaminating the vial even though it is bacteria from your own body that you're like sticking into the vial like with you put it in there and there was blood and fluid and everything it is. Own body, but it's not good and something like that could cause infection that could be introducing bacteria that could grow in the vial even though it's from your own body, but that would be not a good thing to do. That would be a way of contaminating the vials so If you're going to inject yourself with the same needle that you draw with. Draw the oil from the vial with then you can only do it one time and it's done. So don't be trying to do it a couple of times and then the best way to do it is to have two needles. So if you have a 3 cc syringe, it's good to start out and put something like an 18 gauge or a 20 gauge needle needle on the tip. And stick it into the steroid vile and then pull back the plunger on the syringe and since you're using that big needle 18 gauge or 20 gauge has a big circumference and the oil just comes flowing into the syringe very quickly, like really fast and really easy. You don't have to spend sit there spending time waiting for the oil to come into the vial from the suction. It's just like Boop instant comes in when you pull back the plunger and then after you get After you get the oil that you want from the vial into your syringe, then you pull the needle the 18 gauge needle out of the steroids vial and you then take the needle off of the syringe and now you have a syringe with steroids inside with no needle and now you attach a new needle that you have something like a 25 gauge or 27 gauge, right? And this is going to now be Be a brand new fresh needle that's never pierced anything and never pierced any rubber in the steroid vial and so it's going to be so sharp and pain-free and small and you're going to attach that to the syringe and then give the yourself the injection. That's the way that I do it. That's the bet that in my opinion. That's the best way to do it because if you are one in pain free injections it Makes a huge difference to not have had that needle go through the rubber stopper of the steroid vial before it you try to push it into your skin. If you look at pictures that they've taken pictures of the tips of needles with electron microscopes. So it's very very very small right at the tip and they show what it looks like after it's like passed through your skin or pass through something like that after it's been used once and the things while Jagged and all bent up and stuff because it's so small and so like flexible. You don't want to be using after you see something like that and how it's all curved and like a hook. It's on a microscopic level, you know, they're looking at this with an electron microscope to be able to see this but it doesn't look good man doesn't look good. So that that's after it's been used once what? Happens to this very small. So tiny sharp Point tip of the needle and you'll notice that if you just use this new needle that you put on after you take out the steroid oil from this into the syringe if you just put on this new needle that is small and completely unused never passed through anything and then plunge it straight through into your skin and your body. It is so much more pain-free than the other way then the other way, so that's what I think also never obviously share steroid vials with anyone else if anyone else has used anything from another steroid vile just have a policy of you won't touch it. You will never touch it if they ever offer anything to you or anything like that just say no. You should be doing. Taking steroids should not be a social activity. Okay, taking steroids should not be a social activity. It's something you do by yourself. So never do never do any steroids from someone else's vial that they've used just keep that away from you unless it has the cap on it. There's a little cap that you have to pop off the top of the vial to start using the vial and get to the rubber stopper. Make sure that that cap is on there. Okay. Next question is from a man of God. Tom Platts has a freaky jaw 18. What do you think? He was running? What would be the best anabolic androgenic steroid for bigger jobs other than surgery. How long would I have to run human growth hormone to get a bigger job? Yeah. So steroids do kind of change your face shape because there's muscles all over your face. And there's muscles that you use for chewing but the main points of your head that change shape a little bit is the area right next to your temples. If you if you touch your temple, you know to right behind your eye socket on the side of your head if you put your hand there and you close your jaw and flex it, you know, press your teeth together and now open up open up your All the way so that is wide and now close it again and flex your teeth together. You can see that there's a muscle right there on the side of your head that moves, you know, you'll be feeling it right there in that area where your temple is behind your eye socket and that area and that muscle that controls the chewing of your jaw like that that grows that grows definitely and it changes the way that your head shape looks because you get this part of your head on the outside like that that's growing out. Words and that's a super androgenic like athlete or super masculine. Like look. I'm not saying it's attractive. I'm just saying like how its interpreted socially, so that is one major change and it's the first change to your head shape that happens. And then the next thing would be the muscle under your chin and under your jaw. Okay the area, you know, it's above your neck, but then it's under under your jaw bone and the muscle there it will start to grow and it will start to hang down below your Jawbone. So you'll have your jaw bone on, you know on the outside of your face and around where your chin is, but it almost look like you have a little bit of a mulch in or like something hanging down like below your jaw you there's there's a look of there's something hanging down right below that jaw bone and it's muscle you'll see this on a lot of guys a lot of big guys and and you'd be like what that what the hell there's something like that like, I don't think most people notice it actually it's it's not something that really jumps out at you but a lot of guys as if you look if you look at it that are that are really big or just pretty big, you know, just guys who are using steroids frequently. You'll see them have this muscle that sort of looks like a double chin just slightly just slightly like a double chin or something if you really look closely and it's this muscle hanging down below their jaw bones. That's that's the major changes that happen with your face shape is Is growth hormone if you're just using something like 4 to 6, I use per day you don't really get side effects like bones growing all over the place unless unless you're unusual but the majority of people don't get side effects like bones growing all over the place or changing head shapes or fingers or hands changing sizes stuff like that. It doesn't really add dosage is like 4 to 6. I use per day. There's not really a big effect scene with that. It's guys are using 10 I use per day up for long periods of time. They're the guys that are getting more side effects with things just growing on their body. So as far as my bones in my head go they haven't changed much. Well, I've been using steroids. They pretty much use there pretty much look the same as they always have the bones just the muscles that surround my head and my jaw they have changed. Okay, next question. Oh, you said what steroids do that? Okay, you know testosterone does it and I mean just anything that's really Hannibal like if you're building a lot of muscle and you're eating a lot of food, you'll just start noticing it and if you're on the right roads to build a lot of muscle and you're eating a lot of food and you're building a lot of muscle strength And and wait, you'll just start noticing it. Okay. So the next question is from Underwood. I've talked to a few guys who have felt that their body image is distorted and one said that he thought ever everyone who uses steroids has at least a little body image Distortion. What do you think? Yeah. I think that the reason for the body image Distortion is because of expectations and self-image. Okay, so when guys Are natural they might have a low body image because they want to look like somebody who you know really looks different from the population and you know, everyone knows that they spend time at the gym and on their diet, you know, as soon as they see them so, you know, that would be like a looking like a steroid user. That's that's their expectations for themselves so they can have a low body image and you know want there. Everybody in that way to reflect the time that they're putting in to their training and diet, but then, you know once the guys on steroids and he starts the internalizing, you know, I use steroids then he starts thinking in his head. You know, I need to look like, you know, I'm getting my gains out of you know, this health this health risk that I'm doing and you know money and everything, you know, you feel like in your self-image I'm on roids. So I want to make sure that you know, my body is you know, looking really good and if that's like not happening the way that you want it to or it's sometimes guys don't want a PCT or they don't want to cruise and just do trt for a while. They always want to stay on cycle because because maybe that that body image thing is going on. And the thing is is that as you keep on doing this. Doing bodybuilding you keep having higher and higher expectations for yourself. And that's usually where the bad body image comes from because you keep having these expectations of yourself of I'm doing this. I'm doing this hard work. I'm doing a lot of these chemicals putting them into my body and I'm doing a lot of hard work in the gym and on my diet and you know, I, you know, I expect myself to be looking like a bodybuilder, you know. All the time and and have all these things present, you know, all these qualities present and no exceptions. And so, you know as that fluctuates or as you put all that pressure on yourself over time. Yeah, it can create a bad body image. So the main thing is just learning in life patience and Going to love the process of what you okay. So if you're just sitting around all day doing nothing, that's not fun. So you choose to do bodybuilding because you think that seems like fun. All right, so you chose to do it. So you got to enjoy the process of getting there and learn some patience and know that hey just dreaming about having the end result the body. That's that's not really what's going to give you the happiness that you're seeking from this activity. The happiness is in the climb. That's where that's where the joy comes from. So this is hard. This is a hard concept. This is a hard life long concept to learn and it takes a lot of patience and it's something that personally I'm trying to keep on Mind every day because that's one of the things learning to enjoy the process that's going to make you successful at what you put your mind to in your life because then your inflow you're not resisting yourself. Okay. Next question is from Hyo who asks Dan. I have a question for your podcast and myself. What is the minimum dose of pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone needed daily to cause permanent muscle hyperplasia. So an increase of muscle cells not just size and not just temporary but permanent. Okay. Yeah, so he's asking will the human growth hormone. What dosage is needed in order to make it so that my muscle cells multiply. Okay. There's two ways that things can grow there's hyperplasia and there's hypertrophy. Okay, and hypertrophy or hypertrophy it is when the cells that you have they grow bigger, but then if you grow new cells more cells so you add more cells that's hyperplasia. So when growth hormone and testosterone are used together at a high enough dose you can have an increase in the number of muscle cells more than you were born. With and that effect seems to change the genetics a bit, you know, it doesn't actually change the genetics but it changes the way that your body could look or the limit of your genetics. But on a different note that sounds really alluring saying that but if you just like came off of all gear, you know, you're not going to look like you're on gear still because you got a bunch of hyperplasia from growth hormone. Look at the ifbb pros who have got some kind of illness from a lot of times. It's abusing steroids and they've had to come off all drugs. And now look what they look like. They didn't get a bunch of hyperplasia. That was making them look like they're on drugs when they're not on drugs. So there's a limit to what the hyperplasia effect does likes. It just think of human growth hormone like this. Okay. It's really synergistic with anabolic steroids. So everything that steroids do well human growth hormone makes those steroids. Do those things a lot better. Like human growth hormone and steroids together are the two most powerful ways that you could manipulate where the food that you eat where the energy from that food goes to what cells in your body. Okay, so that's that's why you use growth hormone and you know, as far as the hyperplasia or you could say getting a different look that kind of sticks with you. You know anecdotally that begins somewhere around for IU of pharmaceutical grid per day, but I'm talking very mildly and I'm talking over like, you know more than a year and straight of using it with steroids at the same time, but really getting a lot of hyperplasia where things start growing like finger lengthening or foot lengthening. Stuff like that. That's usually a combination of a couple things first using insulin with growth hormone at the same time. And then II usually the growth hormone above 10 to 15 IU per day and yeah, that's about it. That's about it or using igf-1. The injectable igf-1 has a major effect on growing body parts growing heads growing noses stuff like that. So it's the Synergy of guys using you know, 10 to 15 I use of growth hormone / day and up and insulin and injectable igf-1 those are the things that cause all the weird stuff with bodybuilders these days where they have like a weird head or weird hands or weird feet or a big gut a big pregnant got it's no it's those three those three products being used together. All right, so onto the next question it is from Genoa Anna what effects do steroids have on the mind and social life do they affect motivation outside of gem? Well as I've stated before they make you have a bit more like highs and lows emotionally. They make you a little bit more prone to the the Ebbs and flows of Life affecting you and getting an initial. Because they make they make the way that you feel about events happening or especially quick things happening like a car backfiring or you know, some type of loud sound they make they make your initial reflex or your reaction more intense and that goes with emotional things too, like your emotional reactions that happen in the first second when you are going to have a reaction it can just be a more intense feeling on your body. And so so that's how you they affect you there. But they also help sort of produce the essence of A champion or like a winner or a leader or some they can be used like as a tool because they do allow you to focus on things more you you can choose one task and focus on it get fixated on it dwell on it targeting Behavior. It's slightly improved in general just in your life in general putting putting your essence and your will into working on a project medium doses of steroids seem to help with that high dosages of steroids. They just fuck up your whole life. So guys that think if you think that you got you got to take all this stuff and you Got to be being realistic here not doing all add in a bunch of stuff to it. Because yeah, if you're taking a five hundred to a thousand or even up to maybe like 1,500 milligrams total maximum of steroids per day or per week more like around a thousand though total 500 to a thousand total would be Optimum. Yeah, it's going to give you an edge in your life all the way. And now just in the gym, it's going to give you a little boost all the way around in your life. But if you start getting up into really high dosages like above two grams or above. No, that's just going to be detracting from your life in every way. It's attracting also even from your motivation for the gym because you won't feel very good. okay next question is from Ryan who asks it ñ what compounds would you take as a high-functioning entrepreneur that wants to be lean in jacked while staying healthy and productive year round I am currently on 200 milligrams test sipping it only but I'm considering adding in three to four I use pharmaceutical grade growth hormone and 1,000 milligrams metformin as well as low dose of Ace arm and car touring and yohimbine what Would you take if money wasn't an issue and why would you take them? Okay, so you're on 200 milligrams of tests. I pin it or tests epyon 8. Yeah, I would add in the growth hormone at for I use per day. That's the dosage that gives a really amazing effect like a really good effect that it you will really enjoy. But at the same time there's not much noticeable side effects, really not much it not much at all for most people. So for Ru is the best dosage for 6iu. That's usually the best dosage for most people. So you're going to do that yet the metformin put that in there with that, too. It's kind of a strange question. Like you're an entrepreneur that you want to be lean and jacked but healthy. Okay, this is how I'm going to answer the question. If you want to be lean jacked healthy, then mostly stay away from anything oral. So and because you're going to have more energy if you stay away from oral steroids, except for just dabbling a little bit because things to take like Anna draw every once in a while or and of our or Stroll or Dianabol it can just be fun to be honest because it gives you a big boost in the gym. It can just be fun, but they do make you more tired. They don't be a sap your energy a bit. So if you want to be healthy and you want to be in money's not an issue for me, this is what I would do is I would take something like two cc's of testosterone and two to four cc's of Prima Bolin. And per week. So that would be like somewhere between like four to five hundred. I use it just for 500 milligrams of testosterone and 2 to 400 milligrams of pre mobile and per week. And then I would do the metformin like you said 1,000 milligrams per day when I woke up and I'd also do the growth hormone for IU per day and divide that into two shots morning and lunch time or morning and dinner time. And that would be it you could you can really do a lot on that. You won't be an ifbb Pro but you'll be way more you have the potential on that stack to be pretty damn healthy and be way more muscular than the average Joe walking around on the street like everyone who sees you anywhere is going to know instantly when they see you that guy goes to the gym and lift weights. So you can get to that level using that so that's what I would do. The next question is from Jordan. Hey, Dan, how do you go about AI dosage when transitioning from a blast to a cruise? When should I start lowering the amount of anti-estrogen I'm taking. Oh, yeah, so when you're going from a blast Crews just take the dosage as needed. If you're normally taken something like 2 to 4 Tablets per week. Well the first week that you get to the to the crews just keep on taking what you have normally been taken for that first week of the cruise because that testosterone from the previous week's is still going to be in your system pretty strong at that point. And then once once that first week is over you can start experimenting with reducing the dosage a bit of the of the anti estrogen and keep on reducing it until you start seeing symptoms and then keep it at a little bit more than that. The thing with the anti-estrogen is estrogens symptoms. Don't pop up overnight and then be permanent or something like that. If you get any estrogen effects when you feel something like itchy nipples or it's kind of hard to pee or your face is very bloated or you have some acne or something like that. When you see that symptom, it's fine to just go take and Arimidex or and Some are staying aromasin or letrozole tablet and then in a few hours the symptoms go away. It only takes a few hours for those things to kick in and start giving relief of any estrogen symptoms. You might be having so these kind of things are things that they're low stress taking an anti estrogen. It's a low-stress activity. I think guys are worried like oh Oh shit. What if I get gyno or something like that that they're going to get burned? Well, here's how you can avoid that. When you start taking the steroids already have the anti-estrogen tablets with you. You can't take the steroids and then say okay if I get estrogen side effects, then I'm going to go buy a anti-estrogen chemical or medicine. That's that's how you get permanent. Gyno. Okay. So what you do is you don't start taking any steroids until you already have the anti-estrogen tablets with you. Okay, even if you have your steroids, you can't start taking them yet until you've got those anti-estrogen tablets, too. That's how you're going to avoid ever getting any kind of permanent gyno or any kind of really horrible issues from having crazy high estrogen levels. So like I said, if you start your cycle and you've already got your anti-estrogen on hand, then you're fine. And this is a low-stress thing. Now, you've already done the work now dealing with your estrogen on cycle. It's a little stressed. If you get some symptoms just take some anti estrogen and they'll be a normal amount of estrogen anti-estrogen that you know makes you feel good each week and you'll troubleshoot it you'll figure it out just experiment taking another tablet here or another another cup or another less tablet there and no this is not medical advice and I am not a doctor and I do not recommend any of this. I'm just having a conversation. ation, bro So the next question is from share who asks. Hey, I had a question do I really need to do cardio if I'm trying to lose body fat? Would it be possible to reach like around 8% body fat without it? So this is the thing is that the guys who say they don't do any cardio. Those are the guys that started out already skinny, and then it's like crazy hard for them. Them to gain weight. Okay. And so then when they cut if they do cardio they lose muscle and so then they say to other people. Oh, no because you look at them because they're lean a lot of the time right? So it's natural to look at them and ask what they do, but this is because of genetically how they started in the first place was there were like small and skinny and then that skinny jean keeps them lean. While they get muscular on roids, most people who are not like that have to do cardio. I'm sure that anecdotally if you look back over time when you were on your feet the most and exercising the most and if you play a sport ever or something like that, or you can just look back at times when you were doing cardio or doing more cardio and doing not I'm sure that almost without fail whenever you were doing more you weighed less and whenever you were doing less you weighed more cardio has a massive impact on a Wait, it just does you're burning up calories at a huge amount. So say someone has 2,500 calories per day that their body uses for maintenance will now you go do a hard cardio session and you're like a big muscular guy for an hour and not even a hard cardio session like a medium cardio session. Well, that's like almost a thousand calories right there like 800 to a thousand calories depending on what you're doing. Which is 40% of something like 40% of your entire day's energy metabolism being added on to it. It's such a massive difference and people can say oh, yeah just do the diet. Well, some people like to eat they there's some of these guys that are Skinny, naturally, they don't like to eat either. And so when they they don't mind like not eating and not having food in them. They're always kind of nauseated just to begin with but a normal person. No, they still like to eat food. And so you kind of have to add some other way to get the energy different deficit and it's cardio, but cardio should just be a thing all bodybuilders would be better off. More cardio than they do myself included. What I really like to do as far as cardio is something that I learned from Stan efforting and that is going for ten to 20-minute walks after I eat my meals I like to eat my meal and then after the meal go for a 10 to 20-minute walk with my dog and that's something like 30 to 60 minutes of cardio there per day and then after my workout, I do 20 to 30 minutes of cardio on the bike. So it adds up to something around like an hour per day, but I want to do more want to do more. And more intense cardio, too. Okay. Next question is from Joe who asks So currently on 200 to 250 ish Trend ballon and ante a week and 300 testosterone 300 milligrams testosterone on cutting on 2250 calories per day. I'm getting Trend sides like weird dreams and he at night but I don't look too full. I look decent pumped. But other than that, I'm looking natural. Should I up the trend? Yeah, you're running into right? Now you're running into the fact that steroids can not do too much more than doing anabolic things with the food that you give them. So that's not a lot of food. Mm. 250 calories is not a lot of food if you're at all active that's like a huge deficit and if you don't give the the And blown the gasoline the fuel the food to do its thing. It can't do its thing. So really all it can do is just provide some kind of cosmetic effect, which I'm sure that you see some difference from being natural just in the way like your arms look at cetera. But as far as it building muscle and being super anabolic, it doesn't really have anything to work with so if you're on tremble own, You should be eating something around 30,000 calories and still be able to cut 3,000 calories per day and still be able to cut because that stuff it changes the ratio of how your cells take in Taken food or taking energy and nutrition from the bloodstream and also it slows down the excretion of protein from the blood so you got to be taking advantage of these things. And you know eat eat all those carbs after your workout eat that protein throughout the day. And Get Swole on Trend Get Swole on Trend next. I don't think you should I don't think you should up the trend. I don't think you should up the trend. I think that the problem is that you're not eating enough food. And I don't I just think that's the end of the story. The next question is from Bramble. Isha's. Hey, bro, I bought the e-book and loving it so far. I had a quick question for you. I'm going to start at St. Cycle like you recommended for the first 50 milligrams a week you spoke about taking anti estrogens concurrently with Cycles. Which one and what dose would you recommend for this beginner cycle or because it's low dose. Do you not need an AI just PCT afterwards? Yeah, I would definitely put the the anti-estrogen in your cycle. That's definitely needed. I wouldn't start taking that testosterone until I had the anti-estrogen because you're taking 750 milligrams per week. And that's definitely in more than ninety percent of people going to cause them to have high estrogen levels. And you got to have something to you got to have the medication to battle against that before you start taking the steroids and giving yourself the possibility of that happening. So what you do generally is starting it out. What most people do is starting out with letters all Arimidex or XMS stain? Okay, and one tablet of anyone of those drugs two or three times per week. Starting about the second week or the third week after starting the 750 milligrams per week of testosterone and then adjust it adjust the anti-estrogen dosage taken out or adding a pill. according to symptoms and side effects That's the way most people go about dosing their anti estrogens. Well, yeah, man, it's really important to have that so I would never do a steroid cycle if I didn't have anti estrogen tablets with me before I started because then if I got estrogen side effects or my nipples started swelling up or got really itchy or If I had high blood pressure, and I had a lot of water retention in my body or a swollen moon face or my prostate got really swollen and I was having a hard time paying because my prostate was swelling up like a balloon or I had Whitehead acne from high estrogen levels. These are all these things. I just now said those are all things that can happen when you have high estrogen levels, so If you have an anti estrogen tablet, if you ever get any of those symptoms just take the anti-estrogen tablet. But this is the reason why people take an anti estrogens tablet on the testosterone cycle is to prevent from having to feel any of those not fun at all situations that I was just talking about there. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

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Mind your subconscious is the podcast that provides you with techniques and knowledge about your subconscious mind the part of your brain that lets you control your ego and create an extraordinary reality with your thoughts. We invite meditation hypnosis NLP EFT and other experts to help you master the most powerful part of your brain. Your host is Jennifer Schlueter who quit her job as managing editor of 22 newspapers to try Gavel the world and work online just after one hypnosis session a nomad ever since 2016 Jennifer is now a certified hypnotist and helps people transform their dreams into reality. Welcome to this week's episode of mind your subconscious today. We have something really really special for you because today you get to actually see what it's like when I work with my clients. So one of my clients I met her through Facebook because she was awesome and she messaged me about stuff and then I decided to make her my virtual assistant and give her hypnosis in exchange and we have been working together now since June and it's been absolutely amazing and she has developed such amazing hypnosis / meditation skills that she can channel the Masters and the Masters are so I can explain it. When when I was reading the books about past life regression from dr. Michael Newton and Brian Weiss. I read about the Masters who are a collective of souls that are really really developed like the most developed. All's you would ever meet that doesn't necessarily mean that it would have to have been reincarnated most times but no they have learned the most so as an example, you can take Abraham Hicks if you know Abraham Hicks, you know, that Esther Hicks is channeling Abraham Hicks and Esther Hicks does so with meditation and right now she can probably just go into it and she can just Channel Abram without emit much effort. But we what we do here today is we're going to do a hip not ursus for my client like see where she is going to channel the Masters. So the first time we met the Masters or we encountered the Masters, it was not planned at all like see and I were completely surprised and taken aback by what she said and what came through her and what she channeled so Lexi give us little account of that first time that you did channel the Masters. How was that for you? That was a very very interesting experience. It's definitely nothing like I've ever had ever encountered before we had started just by doing a past life regression and after watching my death scene and that life we moved on to talking to my soul and my Spirit guides were just kind of sitting there watching as we talked to my soul and trying to figure out what the lesson was from that life that I have lived. And and next thing you know, I'm saying like all this wisdom. I have no idea about and the amount of energy that I felt was absolutely insane. My hands were shaking my entire body which is vibrating from the inside. You could just feel pulses of energy running through my body and When you brought me out of hypnosis it end up taking two times for you to get me out of hypnosis. I was really deep in there. But once he got me back up and outs just the world was a different color and be at my insides were still vibrating and just I don't even know how to explain it. Just very little around me could hold my interest. And it was just this incredibly insane situation and I had no idea what the Masters were. You told me. After that. There was such thing as the Masters that was probably what I did and yeah, so that was just a huge surprise and it was, you know, looking back on it now. It was such an honor to know that they chose me to share a message. Even though I knew so little so it was just a great experience a very different experience but a great experience exactly and the great thing was that we also remember we started the session with no intention whatsoever. You were just unbelievable. I don't know what we should work on today and I was like, okay, let's just, you know, let the universe guy does and let's see what happens and then this happens and then you also said like the Masters said she's probably going to cry after this. Yes, yes my strips and I was gonna cry after the session and I came out of that session bawling and you know, I don't think that it was I think that's what allowed the Masters to come in was the fact that we went into it with. Hey, whatever happens happens ever since me and you started working together. I have been so open minded. I just want to learn stuff. I really don't care what form it takes. I just want to know what's out there. And I think you do too. And so that really lends us to being able to channel them because we are open-minded so is very true and we don't put any limitations on anything. We're just like okay Lucy whatever happens and it is whatever whatever you have and then yes. Yeah. So the second time we channeled the Masters was on purpose, which is actually last week and Lexie again got all this wisdom. And then we were I think the Masters gave her the idea in the shower. They were like, hey, yes, go ahead. And yes, they seem to like to talk to me when I'm in the shower now, so that's kind of interesting. But yeah last week session was definitely more intentional. We talked to our Spirit guides beforehand saying hey guide us as we go talk to the Masters and yeah the hypnosis you led me through bra. You straight to them and it was gosh. I wish you could have seen it all of you listening. I really wish you guys could have seen that it was amazing to be standing there and to look around and just be surrounded by like a thousand souls and there were these lines of light connecting every single one of them including to my soul that I was standing in front of it is just an absolutely beautiful sight and then finally how got him. Shaking already, but then I looked around and finally found one that was trying to gain some facial features. And at that point I was able to approach that one. And that was the one that me and Jenni talked to you last week. So we'll see if anybody feels like sharing some facial features again and invites us into talk. Yes, absolutely. And yeah, so after last week they gave her the idea that we need to do a Cast episode where we do hypnosis where we channel the Masters and where we answer all of your guys's question. So I asked questions on Instagram and on Facebook and you guys let me know your questions and we're going to answer them now in this podcast. So I'm super excited and I can't wait for this to happen. So let's go Lexie. You ready? I'm ready. Okay. This is where we started the hypnosis. So what I do here is I relax Lexie's body and her mind. I gave her an induction and a deeper know and then I gave her some guided imagery some visualisations until she lands at a staircase that takes her up and now you can see what happens. And zero you're at the top of the staircase now. And there's clouds in front of you and you can feel how your body's so light and you can feel that all gravity's gone. So you can just let yourself fall into the clouds and flowed with the clouds. Be as light as the clouds and just floats. Float in the sky float in the clouds. And just feel super light. and now go ahead and imagine that you're shedding everything shit your hair. Shut your skin. Shut your bone. Shut your muscles. Should you organs? Shed everything and see what is left. See the light of your soul feel the light of your soul. The light that piece the wisdom the freedom of your soul. And see yourself surround it. by your Spirit guides and by the Masters see yourself surrounded by all of these wonderful beautiful souls. That are going to give us some wisdom today. Can you see them and feel them? Yes. Great. So when I count from three to zero one of the souls is going to come close to you and it's going to share. Is wisdom with us today? three One of the souls one of the master Souls it's going to come out and share with us his wisdom today to he or she is coming out closer and closer to you. one you can recognize him from the cloud from the crowd and zero he or she is now there and can talk to you do your soul. Do you master? What do you go by? What is your name? Sam Sam, okay. Thank you for being with us here today and thank you for sharing your wisdom. Thank you for assisting us. So as you let us we have a few questions prepared. Can we go ahead and ask the first question? Okay, great. So the first question is coming from Nadia and she's asking does everything that happens to us have a meaning. It does. Especially being in to you and your personal Journeys on Earth and your souls path. It may not affect everybody. It may not. fulfill a purpose on the Earth, but every occurrence in your life Even though there's always multiple options. Is set to do something in particular? Mmm, great so that means we meet everyone in life for a reason, correct. Okay, sorry, but you can change that too. You mean that every step you take is a choice every handy Shake every hello you say. Someone may be meant to be in your life. But if you make the choice to not meet that person someone else will be there lined up. Every choice has a path that leads you completely down to completion. So does that mean if I choose to have a certain person in my life or let's say if I choose a certain person not to be in my life. Is there going to be another person lined up who's going to teach me the same lesson? Listen very and that's where the choices come in. There are million lessons to learn. That's why some of you guys keep coming back. There's other things to learn other opportunities. but each path you take has a different lesson has a different end results. You don't know which one you're choosing and that's is part of the adventure that draws me back. the paths that you choose every time there's a decision to be made. It always. Has other options if you chose it a different way that would lead you down a different path of completion. Okay, thank you for that. And now Mayo is asking what comes after that death? That's see you. That is another area where there are choices. some shoes to try cleaning see where they were. It doesn't work. But that is an option. bad option button option others when they reach here they choose to go back again. reincarnate try another path try out their lessons some stay and learn That's what we did. others choose to go back halfway They go and they guide that's one step in the learning process some choose to become Spirit guides as you guys call them. They choose to hover above shoulders of incarnated and help share wisdom that they've learned here. From that some of them will choose to Incarnate. Some of them will choose to stay up here and learn there's options after you die. Is the learning ever finished? I don't know that yet. Okay. Okay. So Ellie has a question. She's asking should we ask the universe for what we want or if we want something should we work for it? Why not both it's easy. So easy to set your intention. You have two big things floating over your shoulder at any moment's ready to lend you a hands to be able to assess. However, they can that's their job. But you need to let them know exactly what you need. Yeah, you can say I'd out loud. Yeah, you can write it down. I've seen a lot of people doing that down there, but They know you they know what's in your hearts. They know everything about you. Just be strong in your belief and in your desire and then get to work. They will do what they can to assist. But you still do need to work. Okay, thank you and live is asking what will the world look like in 2020? What did the word look like an 18? What did the world look like in 10? What does the world look like in the shoe? Everybody out the incarnated see time as such a large object, but it's not. Not much can change in the amount of time you guys allowed as a year. A year barely is anything and yet you expect these large changes and I suppose for the time that you've been there. They do seem quite large. But they're not. The world is the way the world is it's not going to change massively. Everything that you see is a change really isn't that large of a difference from the way it's been before? Sure, there's other ways to do things sure. There's other ways to see things but when you scrape it down to the bare, it's all the same. It has been and will be. So will we find the way to save this planet ecologically speaking or is it already saved according to your answer? Your previous answer there is a lot. of things that could change but they need more time. You won't see the world end in your lifetimes. That's going to be too long for you. the planet itself there is let me go back to what you said ecologically speaking you have. Forces that both sides working on that that have held it in a pause position. Okay, thank you. And Malik is asking will that change the universe? yours Okay, and Valerie's asking Our Lives predestined regarding work and location? Every steps of choice every choice seeds roots of path each path leads to the completion point you can change jobs you can change locations. You can stay a job. You can stay in a location each of those lead to a different completion Point. Everybody has the same options to reach wherever they want to based on the steps. They take your path is not predestined in any situations based on that. So why does unfairness exist in this world? Why are some people born into poverty and others are not and others have better chances and others. Do not you look at it from such an earthly idea. affair you have people who walked into the world with everything. But their soul is in shambles. They're broken their lights. Dim they claim to what they can to make everything. Okay, and they can't make it. Okay. And you look over at someone who was born into poverty and their light shines brighter than any millionaire because they are connected with the Earth. They're connected with the energy they're connected with the love. when a soul chooses to Incarnate whether it's their first time or their tents They don't choose completely where they go. They're given options of different situations to potentially drop themselves into they can't see what their path is going to be but they can feel where they will go first thing. Souls that have incarnated several times and learn several things are probably going to choose a situation they've never felt before Others when it's their first time are going to try to take Knowledge from those who have gone before and shoes which way they're going to go. If you can feel. This feeling of abundance as you drop into situations and that's what the soul does decides to focus on. Yes, you may look successful from the outside, but that eats a soul. You no longer connect with the energy with the love and that's not a blanket statement. Every soul is individual some shine brighter than others some manage to keep that energy that love that shine. But when you are choosing where to come back and you choose situation that radiates so much love and light. That's going to be great for the soul. It may not look Fair. from an earth perspective with the feeling and the love and the light may very well be stronger there. And that's why that option was taken got its thank you for sharing that. Did so the next question is also from Valerie. Did Jesus intend to make a religion on Earth? They all did. you this one is very hard for many to grasp you. Separates things so much on Earth. Everything is categorized and separated But it's not. There's one source one God one energy one love one Grant Bain. You all call him by different names you all call them at him or her. It's not that simple when your soul can grasp this. That's when you have the option to ascend. And I love it's not easy. Okay, and Valerie also wants to know if the soul of Jesus has reincarnated. When you look at the situations. of which The bodies that you consider to be religious Buddha Jesus you separate them. from The Source from God as you would call it, but they're not separated. They're pieces of its. Okay, and then one last question from Valerie is how can I find my spiritual gift and develop it? If he asked you guys. Have you sat down hold out your hands and ask them to hold them with you if you ask them to breathe deeply with you. And show what they believe you can do. Have you ask them what they can help you with. You trusted your own heart your own soul Have you listened to words that aren't there? Have you felt feelings that others don't have you seen things the others don't see Have you trusted the hole in your heart to something? They trusted leaps in Seoul? let go Let go and feel everything. Open yourself up to just feeling everything to seeing everything to hearing everything. Allow your mind to be open where? We can. Know things you don't know. Wonderful. So these are all the questions from people and then Lexi had a question like see why don't you go ahead and ask your question. Should I take those classes? I can Define your intention with them? Are they free you if they for others? Will your soul Brighton when you do? Okay. Yes take them. Just another step that you're choosing. What else do I need to do to you? stop pretending you can think all you want that you have feels that everything's okay. But you're not you're not. Okay, you still hurt instead of recognizing it and accepting it and feeling it you've decided that it doesn't bother you and that's so not true. She needs to understand how much pain you were caused. You need to understand how much damage was done. You may think that you slept on a Fresh coat of paint and a Band-Aid and you're okay, but that damage is so deep. It's not in fixable. You need to accept that you hurt. You need to accept that this go-round with your soul wasn't what you hoped. It would be either. But it never has been never once you expect this perfect Venture into the world. And there's no such thing. It hurts. And it tears and it bites. But this experience can help me grow stronger. It helps you learn. You can't understand the lessons just listening to them and you have to live them. Then you have to live them. That's your choice, but you have to accept that those lessons. include a lot of pain and you need to feel that pain and you need to recognize that pain if you never did deeper into that pain, you're never going to be able to seal it up. So with that being said does that mean that for every lesson we learn we need to give something? We need to pay something. Not always not every lesson some lessons come easy some summer lessons that you've learned previously. Maybe you've experienced more pain with them then. But a lot of lessons do take pain. It's a very good teacher. It's a very strong feeling pain carries a lot of energy and that energy really infuses the lesson and save you. If you ever feel. That deep searing pain. know that that is your soul internalizing a lesson that I couldn't grasp before. And it hurts. Hurt so bad. But that protects you learning that protects you. Lexi do you have any more questions? Can I ask a question? What do I hold on when it comes to my throat and my cough? Why can I not get rid of it? You started trying to heal yourself? By saying that you were finally come to accept the good things that you've done open yourself up to the love lights and appreciation and gratitude. But you haven't done it all the way yet. You still holding on the doubts? You still holding on and that maybe you haven't made the right decisions that maybe things could have been done better than maybe stop. You need to really allow the energy to flow through you. You need to allow yourself that light matte. Love you need to allow yourself your body to heal. It's all in your throat. Chakra the pain you feel is why you're coughing it relates to the words. You say the words. You don't say that's why it's choked up. You need to allow yourself to clear that. Be honest with yourself. The world is so full of people lying to themselves all the time. You say one thing feel another and it doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help you guys at all. It's another lesson. You need to learn there though. It's something that Some have learned most have-nots even those who have learned to slip back into the Habit you will never be able to lie to yourself. You always know the truth. Your soul will always know the truth. Just don't and doesn't help you. Thank you. That's all from my side like see anything. I guess not. Okay. Great. Then we thank you Sam. Thank you so much. We appreciate you and thank you for your guidance and for your help and for your love. Thank you for answering all these questions and for giving us your wisdom and now like see in a moment. I'm going to bring you back back into this body into the space into this time in this world. Wait. Yeah. the path of ascended masters How far is Jenny so long? She's learned a lot of lessons. You getting it? Thanks. Okay, so in a moment, I'm going to count from 1 to 10. And by 10, you will be back in your body back in this life and his time and space feeling Wide Awake feeling good one. Thank you Sam. Thank you for all your wisdom. You can now leave like see for now at least to like see your soul is back in your body back in this time and space 3 back in this room noticing the sounds around the room. For the energy is coming back to body. Five you can wiggle your toes and your fingers. Six, you can take a deep breath in and breathe out everything. That's no longer serving you. Seven take another deep breath in fill it with love. And breathe out slowly eight. Nine. Ten wide awake wide awake feeling good open your eyes whenever you're ready. So, let's see. How did you how do you feel? How did you feel after that? It's usually it's very overwhelming emotionally coming out of it because it's one of those things where you really don't want to leave. You look around at all. This ass them you look around at all. Those Souls all the wisdom all the love all the light that they have you see the lights connecting each other and connecting to you and it's really hard to leave that. In the hypnosis, he talked me up a staircase to heaven and what I see when I'm up there. It's not happen. It's not that. It's a reachable place where I can go. It's kind of a landing pad between spirits. and Earth and it is gorgeous and it's warm and it's loving and it's Calming and comforting but yeah overall. It's really really really hard to come back from that couple seconds before I came back as I was slowly kind of free falling back to Earth. It's like this weird comforting freefall. It's not like the scary. Oh my God. I'm going to hit Earth thing. It's just like this gently floating back feeling my body. are you kind of situation falling back to Earth and my grandma and my Spirit guides were there on the landing pad walking me and so it's just it's really hard to to come back from that. But at the same point, you know opening my eyes back to the room that I'm in seeing the sun shining hearing the birds outside and seeing the trees and just knowing that I am where I'm supposed to be right now and that I do have the option to go to that place when I need to that makes it okay and knowing that you have the option of choice like you choose what is going to happen with your life. That's also very important. I think like you are here right now. And as you said you are where you supposed to be but at the same time you have the choice to go somewhere else if you please yeah, exactly. He said it's basically like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. Yeah, every there's a thousand and things in that And it's all depends on which page you flip to When You Reach a certain points. It's not like there's this it's not like you only come to these Grand moments like these big groundbreaking moments and he's still kind of murmuring in my ear. It's not like you're reaching these huge groundbreaking moments. And those are the only ones that count towards the change. It could be. Sometimes you chose something else for breakfast and said that said you want a different path and there could be moments where You meet somebody and you're like, oh my God, this is one of those moments in my life. That's going to choose a different paths going to set me different, but it's not. It's just a step in life. That's not really going to affect in the grand scheme of things. It's not like only the big stuff is going to change your life. It could be the small stuff stuff that you wouldn't even expect when you're sitting there in a moment of indecision and it's something as stupid as do. I want to wear the green shoes or the blue today, that could be something that setting you on a different hat. For your life setting me towards a different completion. It doesn't always have to be this Grand do I turn left or right? It could be as simple as something small so you won't really totally be able to know every moment in which you're changing completion path. You just need to kind of go with the flow and what feels right and the completion path will find itself still speaking through you I can I can tell I love it. Well, yeah, it is also very like it is very emotional for the both of us. Yeah. Yeah it is. Yeah, but it's always amazing to get this chance to to see what else is out there. And to trust that something else is out there, even though we cannot grasp it. We cannot see it. We cannot touch it, but we can just feel it and we can the only evidence is really what Lexi is doing and even the little changes in her voice and what she's saying and that wisdom that you are hearing that alone means that. This is the truth whether you can scientifically prove scientifically prove it or not. And I just really think that everyone was doing today needs to give themselves an opportunity to try experiencing it. The thing we're really anyone can do it. It really is something that's open to everybody they are so they're ready to share knowledge. I mean if when I'm standing there surrounded by a thousand Souls, I can feel all of them wanted to step forward and say something but they choose which one gets to talk to me and because otherwise, you know, it's a little overwhelming to have a thousand Souls throwing stuff at you, but even just sit and meditate Tate's and picture your soul leaving your body and picture it going up this space. And allow yourself just to your soul to just sit there and invite them to come closer to you. Even if you don't hear anything, even if they don't share any wisdom with you, you're opening up your minds and allowing that opportunity for it to happen. And that is where it all is going to start. So just be open-minded know that anything's possible some of the things that they've told us in previous sessions for pretty mind-blowing but We just got to keep in mind that really anything is possible because in our short time here on Earth, how could be no more? Absolutely. I should I should have asked it like yes, we have to go through pain for a lesson. But at the same time do we have to go through all the struggle? Can we not make it easy for us? Well, he did kind of say that that's the whole point of coming to Earth is learning and things through pain your pain. Yeah, and I don't know if you count struggle is pain. But the same point the last one we talked to said that we went to the Earth to enjoy time on the earth. So I'm assuming that there's kind of a mix of each and that's where it kind of makes me think that really well learning never ends because we've gotten a little bit different opinions from each master that we've talked to so far. So they're obviously individuals with their own thoughts of how it works. Absolutely. Same as people. Yep, who? Okay then. Thank you for listening to this episode. I hope you get some inspiration and I hope you got some answers and thank you. Again Sam. Thank you the for the Masters and thank you Lexi. Thank you again. Love this episode of mind your subconscious subscribe rate and leave a review on whichever platform you listening. It's very much appreciated. Thank you so much. Catch our next episode every Monday.

The first time my client Lexi and I channeled the Masters unintentionally. They just came through her. After the session, she cried and was amazed by the energy that had been in her body. She didn't even know who the Masters were - probably for our luck because that way, she was open for anything to happen). The Masters are the most advanced souls we can encounter through meditation, hypnosis, shamanic journeys, psychedelics, NDEs, and other means of your brain being in a theta state. Anyone willing to connect to them, can. They love to share their wisdom, especially if you have great intentions. If you're familiar with Abraham Hicks, think of the Masters as Abraham Hicks. Esther channels Abraham. My client Lexi channels The Masters. Different names for the same collective of advanced souls. The second time Lexi and I connected, the Masters told us to make a podcast episode with them. So that's what we did. Join us as we hypnotize Lexi to the point where she meets a Master, Sam, who shared his wisdom with us on this podcast. We asked Sam questions from you (my online followers), such as: Does everything that happens to us have a meaning? Do we meet everyone for a reason? What comes after death? "Ask the Universe for what you want" vs "If you want something, work for it" What will the world look like in 2020? Are our lives destined? Did Jesus intend to make a religion on earth and has his soul been reincarnated? How do I find my spiritual gift and develop it? Will we find a way to save this planet (ecologically speaking)? Thank you for submitting all your questions!

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Thanks again for listening and I hope Hope that you learn a lot from this episode. This is a good friend of mine and I am just really grateful that she was willing to share her experience in pressing charges against the person who assaulted her. Hello and welcome to BTS podcast. This is your host Lynn a cook in case you skip the intro which by the way is a rude there is a trigger warning and there and that is because this episode if you also skipped reading the title Is about pressing charges against the person who sexually assaulted you so we talked about the behind the scenes about that. So that is something that you are not ready to hear totally understandable. I just wanted to give a second trigger warning and also listen to the intro because that has the information to support this podcast, which is greatly appreciated. Also before we jump in I do want to say that this is one person's experience and point of view and should not be viewed as a representation of all sexual assault survivors. So because of the heavy nature of this episode typically I and this podcast by asking people what is a subject that they would want to hear a future behind the scenes episode on that feels like a weird ending to this episode. So my guest today is a friend of mine and you can say hi. Oh hi. Oh hi and so what is something so, you know the subject of this podcast we talk about the behind the scenes. Of clearly anything usually it's people's jobs what they do where things come from that we engage with every day and I would venture to say given the statistics. We do actually engage with survivors of sexual assault every day, and we just don't know it. So this is a behind-the-scenes on the process of the aftermath of that. We won't be digging into what happened unless it's relevant to the case just solicitors know that but what would you like to hear a future episode on? Me yeah. Oh, oh, that's a good question. I like the I mean, I feel like you do a lot of business focused, you know how people you know come to do what they love and find their passion that I just think it's important to stay with people's passions and how people you know started and you know, your whole world can get flipped upside down in a day. Or a week or however long and it's inspiring for me to hear other people's stories on how they overcame hardships and stuff so that we can all kind of just ban together and like live in a good World totally. So just to like repeat that back to you like anyone who's gone through something super dramatic and then like kept plugging or like change their dreams or like, you know, yep. I've got a just like you No, made them who they are and why they do what they do today. Totally great noted. Okay. So I mean this is a tricky thing to start on because I guess we should start sort of like at the beginning after what happened. So you were raped and then, you know, a lot of people who are survivors of sexual assault. Don't report what happened and maybe never reported or report it and then aren't taken seriously. So what we're sort of the next steps after that happened to you. So I didn't know next steps when it happened to me, which I feel like is one of the biggest issues surrounding just rape culture and what happens when someone sexually assaulted I actually went home to my roommate and my roommate called her mom and ask her. What I should do and her mom told her to take me to the emergency room and that never would have been my first, you know instinct to do I wanted to go home and take a shower and just crawl into bed and go to sleep. But she took me to the emergency room and I was there for about four hours doing the rape kit. They did the whole, you know pictures like scrape your fingernails. Take your hair like fall. Coal samples, you know run the whole thing, which is pretty traumatizing after you go through something like that. You know, the last thing you want to do is be poked and prodded and right inspected especially by strangers. Yes. Yeah, so I was there for about four hours and I was able to go home, but it was just one of those things where I'm so happy that I was around the piece around. The people that I was surrounded by that could help me to figure out what the next steps were because it's not something that's ever talked about which I guess. Yeah. I mean unless you binge watch Law & Order SVU, which fealty you just really and also when you're in that that moment of like immediate trauma aftermath of course like Government recognized next steps right are not what comes naturally to anybody know presumably. Yeah, I mean because like a lot of you know what people assume is if you're going to go to the hospital then obviously you're going to have to report it and then the police are going to try to do something about it and people don't necessarily want those to be their next steps and luckily those the people that helped me made it very clear that I had a choice all along and that it was up to me to continue to make the choice. So I just kept pushing on through totally. So then then what happened I so my it was my sophomore year of college. I was almost done with the semester for the summer. I I called my mom when I was on the way to the emergency room, and I told her what happened and she hopped on a plane and flew to Montana and she helped me pack up my apartment in about a week and a half and we went to ayaat a great victims advocate assigned to me from my college who was very helpful, and she helped me get in touch with an investigator and We did the whole Title Nine set up, you know kind of thought so Title Nine is basically a protection law for it was put into effect for sports. So that basically girls have the right to participate in sports like boys did hmm. And so would Title Nine at my school. They basically that's where you would report any assaults her. Rassman anything like that, and then they take that case and they investigate to make sure that the school is safe. So why was it done through the school and not like the City PD so it was something to school because he was a student. Okay, so they we had a school police department as well. So they got involved but they weren't it was very, you know classic. College handling a rape case basically was the police were like, oh this happens all the time. Technically. It didn't my my assault wasn't counted as a college. I don't know the word. That's okay. So like they will do like a count of how many sexual assaults are on campus every year and they have to report it and mine is Reported even though it was students to student to student because it wasn't on campus. It was at another house off of Campus. So when that happens the lines get kind of blurred where the college police are like, well, it didn't technically happen on campus. So there's not a whole lot that we can do about it, but the school obviously is like he's a student and he's endangering other people. So we need to do what we We need to do to investigate and make sure that everything is you know, checking out and that everyone is safe so high the Title Nine case that I did took three years. Oh my God. Yeah, and there's a limitation I think of three months and once the three months is out. They can throw the case out limit. Shin like once the once like the case starts. Yeah, if it's not handled within three months, yep. That is wild and is that specific to like that County or that stay? It's the title. Nine law Title. Nine is a federal. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So how did you avoid having thrown out or was that just like by luck? I was very lucky with the people that I came across I very much recognize that people don't have the support and the team that I had and I you know. Like I need to give a lot back to the people that chose to believe me and help me and stick by my side because there were people that could have very much given up and thrown it out and they didn't they stuck with me. So the whole time I mean there was so many days where I just wanted to give up. You know, I just didn't want to deal with it anymore and I just wanted it to go away but I would look at all the people that you know stood by me the whole time and I was like I can't Give up because they're not giving up and right are here to help me. Yeah, and and I imagine to I mean just knowing that somebody like when you're the Survivor of that sort of thing, you're the one who is in burdened with that trauma. Yeah, and knowing that that person is out there and could just do that to any other person and keep living their life and whatever. I imagine was also you know what I mean. There's like also that fear of like oh and then what I'm going to make somebody else go through this whole thing again, but I yeah, that's so in that three years like what like what else are you doing with your life? I moved back in with my parents. I continue going to school. I but not at the same school knows a different school. Yeah, and I just tried to carry on with my life as normally as I could. Yeah it was. Really hard to adjust to being in a situation that I didn't choose and that I didn't have the control totally for her. Yeah. So yeah, I mean it was a lot of figuring out where I was meant to be and why I was put there and you know, I was very angry. I had a lot of emotions to deal with totally. Did you go to therapy? Yeah. I had a great therapist that I Twice a week. I did both EMDR therapy and then just regular therapy which was really helpful. And I mean that was probably the best thing that I could have done and then I also you know, I did a lot of paddleboarding. I just go like lay in the water and just paddle board and it was so calming, you know, it was like really important for me to find things that made me feel grounded and you know, kind of Get back in tune with my body. I did some yoga. They like recommend doing yoga after your assaulted because it kind of helps you to get back in touch with your self and your body and you know, kind of manage all the feelings and take a lot of control. Like yoga is something that when you're doing it, there's so much balance and like I had a yoga instructor this last week who said something that I'd never thought about where he was saying like the thing that they're focusing on this month. Seattle you have the Arts is where I started going is like your core, which whatever. I mean I'm vain I always think the core great. I'll have great abs. That's right. Yeah, that's where I'm at. But he said something really beautiful that I'd never thought about before where he was like, you know, all of our like whenever we have really traumatizing emotions, whether it's heartbreak or you know, like other sort of traumas it all really happens. It makes It's a sick to our stomach. You know, we say I have a pit in my stomach. I feel sick to my stomach. I'll sometimes say like my stomach's in my throat, you know, and it hurts our heart and like all of that as core stuff. Yeah, and so he was saying that it's you know, it connects all of our sort of like appendages but also our upper half to our bottom half and how by working on our core and like opening it up and then like closing it up. It enables us to be more flexible in that area that gets Sort of just like messed with masked by our emotions and I'd really never thought of it that way before and like how by opening up your chest and closing it. You're like allowing yourself that flexibility and going like reassuring that body confidence and internalizing like okay I can get back to being complete again. Right and I was like, oh this is so much better than all these like, you know, like Millennial yoga classes. I've taken that are just focused on like whatever it is sweating a lot. So I think that even if you don't go into yoga knowing that sort of knowledge, there is something that you do internalized from being able to control like small movements and being having more awareness in your body. You know, like I don't know if like you get like adjusted in yoga because I really like that when the I fix your posture where you're like, oh, you're right like my hip was not drop. Yes. So the did the people Outside of your immediate family did the people at your school and stuff know what you were going through. Yeah, so there was people at the house when it happened who didn't really end up being the most supportive. They ended up taking his side or just completely disappearing. Wow. So that was hard. I felt really alone and you know friends that I had grown up with and known didn't know how to react or you know, we're like well that Happened to me to what's the big deal? Wow. Yeah. So it was there was a plethora of reactions, you know, whether it be positive or negative. It was just by the best way to describe it is just kind of like a tornado. You know, it's just like a tornado of all of these other people throwing in there. All that happened to me too. And this is my story and well, why don't you do this and why didn't you do that and maybe If you did this then this wouldn't have happened. Right and you know, it was just like all of those like stereotypical like guilt, you know, it's a blame. Yeah, and it was just that was probably the hardest thing to overcome. Totally there was a as I told you before we started recording I was listening to terrible. Thanks for asking on my way over here with a woman who goodness. I want to say her name is Sarah. She's in, Minnesota. Her ex-boyfriend raped her and she was sharing her story and she's become like a huge advocate for rape survivors. And I guess has like a Facebook group where people share this and like and you know it almost like AAC format meeting except for like not Anonymous and people go in and like share there's that like that's what they went through and there were a few notes that I took from that and questions that I got from that. And one of them was like on this particular episode they were sailing like Silence Is Easy and it's silence feels a lot like apathy. And so when people are quiet, you know, I I truly believe most people are quite because they don't know what to say and they recognize that which in a way I respect like, yeah to a degree Fine. Yes at the same time. I think we all know any insecurity. We have throughout our lives when people are quiet about that subject. We fill in the blank with what our insecurity is. Right, right and so in the situation of someone who's been assaulted when people are silent you fill in the blank with what you've seen with other people which is like they're not on your side, right? And that's really hard. What is there anything that like you heard people say that you found was particularly just like if not helpful at least better than silence. I mean even like a funny meme or you know, like a memory on Facebook or you know, even like people commenting on my dad's a photographer. So he likes to post pictures of me, you know, so people like, you know, Thinking, you know thinking of you guys and I have been very open about my story and everything that's happened to me since the night that it happened. I think the first time I met you I think it was like after two weeks or something that I told you my story and yeah why I ended up where I am, right? So it was one of those things where I was like, you know, even if you Don't know what to say necessarily about the assault like you don't need to say anything about that. You know, you can say hey missing you or I'm thinking of you or like how are you doing and people will respond to that, you know, yeah totally and that was the hardest thing was trying to explain to people that like, I'm Still Human. Yeah, you know, you know, I was actually I was doing some writing. Leading up to this because I did want to make sure that I was asking like questions that are useful for someone who's listening like whether they have been through this or they know someone who has because I think it is a gray area where people just don't know how to respond and everybody's so different. So that's what that is. One of the reasons why I started this episode saying that like what you have to say is not representative. Everyone's fear is because I mean like I even think on one episode 19 I had on Amy Cunningham has a funeral home director. And I love that. She said that she always just tells people I'm here for you. Yeah, because we do all have such different responses. And I remember I remember when my grandfather passed away and people kept coming up to my grandmother who English is not her first language and and she's a linguist. So she speaks like probably six or seven languages and she's a lot of criticisms about the English language one of them being. That when someone goes through something we say, I'm sorry. Yeah, I remember her snapping at like a friend of hers, which is like also horrifying when you see like an older person snapping it like an even older person actually snapped it like this like nice like 80 year old woman. Like my grandma was like in her early 70s at the time. She was like, do you know this person comes up and is like, oh, I'm so sorry and she just snapped them and she yelled at them. Like why did you kill him? Yeah, which my grandfather was on. Murder the yeah, he died life like, you know health issues. But when she said that I think people just don't know what to say and I think oh God, I forgot where I was going. Let me roll my notes. I don't know you can go ahead and I will so I read. I'm totally blanking on her name too. Oh, I remember one two three. So what I wrote was sometimes it feels like people want the survivors of sexual violence to be more broken because it's easier to understand and it feels more actionable from the outside because people if they see that someone who's gone through that is broken, it gives them something to potentially fix right but it also does exactly One of the things that I'm always butting up against which is reducing people to one dimensional beings. Yeah. And so I think and I've even thought about this when I've had people close to me passed away or like when my grandmother wasn't doing well while you know while you and I were working together because we met through work and I thought like oh my God, like, how do I go back to work after this thing happened? Because I can't stand pity eyes. Yeah, but I call them like Yeah, like I'm still just because something bad happened to me. It doesn't make me not a person right, you know, just because it's and it's the same thing when I've been dealing with depression is like I don't want to be around people and feel like they're all walking on eggshells. Yeah, like I'm still a normal person only capable of living totally and like the fact that when you're going when you've gone through something that is that traumatizing and I think specifically with sexual assault taboo. Yeah people aren't the talking about it, which is one of the reasons why I asked you to be on the podcast and I'm so grateful you were open to it, but people aren't used to talking about it and unfortunately, I mean, I would love to say let's not normalize it but unfortunately it is normal. Yeah, like most of us as women have been assaulted in one way or another if not raped. Yeah. So what's abnormal though? Is that like if that many of us are getting assaulted that means there's that many people out there assaulting people exactly. They're not walking around getting treated. Yeah you differently like they're broken right when like they're the Brokenness. Yeah, yeah like yeah, I mean that was the biggest like realization that I had because I felt so alone, you know, I as far as I knew out of my group of friends was the only one that this had happened to and I was like, what am I supposed to do? I don't have anyone to relate to and you know, it was a lot of like older people coming to me and saying, you know like that happened to me and you know Oh and seeing them, you know like move on with life and get married and have kids and you know, I was stuck in such a point where I was like how do people even do that? You know, like how do you move on from something that is surrounded your life and consumed like all of your energy everyday for my case lasted for 4 years. Wow, so it consumed my life for a long time. So What was like what took so long? Everything so back to Title Nine I had to do a there was a lot of like interviews and back and forth Witnesses were not being cooperative with the investigation. They had a hard time bringing people in and you know, getting statements from people lawyers got involved which then like affidavits were signed and statements were changed and it was just all this back. Fourth I basically just had to play along with the game. I my dad would always say, you know, I mean they're going to they were going to come up with whatever crazy conspiracy that they could on the defense side right to see if anything would stick so that he could get out of it. Hmm. So I mean the whole time it was just like just the voice in my head was just like, you know, you know your truth and you have to stick. Your truth and like that's all that matters. And so I did the Title Nine hearing came up, which was a Skype interview that I had to call into and that was the first time that I had seen the perpetrator since the accident the accident the event is the way you all Skyped. Yeah, so they were all in Montana and I was out of state right and so we all Skyped and basically I was And and Witnesses were questioned and he was questioned and they came back a day or so later with the verdict that they'd found him guilty. And so they kicked him out of school, which was a huge accomplishment because long did that take until that happened from the time of the assault. I think it was like two and a half or three years. So he had just been attending school this whole time. He I don't know exactly if he had kept going. Okay, but I mean he could have yes been going to school. Yeah, so he got kicked out and then which was a huge deal because I think it's like only three percent of Title. Nine cases actually get prosecuted. I think at the time that was like the statistic. So it was like very slow which wasn't that many years ago, right? That was how it was 2015 16. Okay. Yeah so which it probably honestly still the same right? We asked them to imagine. Yeah climb dramatically. Oh and then he successfully enrolled in another school. Just meeting that he didn't check the box that he had been kicked out of another school. Got it. He went to another school out of state. So they didn't do a back ground check or anything. So we knew he was at school wandering around at another school. And I mean the whole reason that I follow through with the case was like you said I didn't want it to happen to anyone else and if I could be the one to prevent it I would go through that and I would do it all over again to make sure that like other people are safe from him. So After that, I was also doing the legal case which was more horrendous because of the detective that was assigned to my case. He was just harassing me and victim blaming me and you know telling me it was my fault and I should think long and hard about if I really want to press charges because I'm probably not going to like see Justice and if I was his daughter he would tell me not to Press charges and just move along with my life. So I really like all along the way was you know, being deterred from pressing charges and can you file a complaint against detective like that? Yeah, so he there was like a last straw. We're finally we were just like he's not helping at this point. He's only hurting so he got kicked off of my case, which also was a big accomplishment because it was like a small town where Wasn't that many choices of detective right? So he got kicked off and basically the case just moved forward from there and then it was I we were scheduled for a trial in August of 2017 and I had just graduated from college and I went on a like two weeks study abroad trip to South America and I knew when I got back that I was going to have to do this trial and I was thinking about it and I was like, there's no way in the It in the time that I am in this position that I would be able to convince 12 people of what had happened to me in a red state. So I chose for him to take a plea deal instead. Okay for criminal endangerment, so he doesn't have any rape charges against him. But he has criminal endangerment. What does that mean? Hell, I don't know the definition. I did just so he won't be on the list is what you're saying. Yeah, so he's not like a sex offender. He couldn't register as a sex offender or any of that but he has it on his record that he was in that he is charged with criminal endangerment. So we went to court in December of 2017 yesterday. Yeah, 1028. Yeah, and He I had to go face him in the courtroom. And I you know, it was like the most surreal thing to you know, you're sitting in a victims advocate office, you know that you have to be buzzed into and it's you know, you kind of feel like a zoo animal just because of you know, the way that the security, you know, just to make sure that you're protected and that nothing's going to happen. oh and I had to go sit up there and testify which was probably the hardest thing that I've ever had to do because I was one of those kids that if I had a book report would skip school and pretend to be sick because I was not going to stand up in front of people and talk so fact that I had to like go stand up and defend myself and confront this person that did this thing to me was It was very cathartic. I guess to be able to say what I finally like needed to say and get the words out that I have been feeling and the disappointment from the people that turned their backs on me. And I think it was only like an hour long court trial court case that happened and we the judge found him guilty of criminal endangerment. which basically meant that he was going to be taken into police custody and evaluated to see where he would be placed next whether it was in like Prison jail or like a mental, you know, just like, oh get mental help. It's um, like Therapy Center or something. And so I got to watch him get taken away in handcuffs and he had anticipated that he would maybe be in jail for two months and he ended up being in jail for a year and three months. He was just released I think in March okay of this year and how I feel for you. I it was like a mix of emotions because when I like first got the news that he was getting out. I you know, it's immediately immediately. You're like, what am I supposed to do? Like do I get a restraining order? Is he going to come after me? But do I have to worry about you know, of course and I talked it through with my Advocates and my family and went to therapy about it to try to figure it out and I Basically came to the realization that I am living my life and I'm sure that he is ready to move on with his life and to keep you know doing what he's doing and I'm hoping that he you know is better and got the help that he needed. But I honestly I didn't even realize the day that he got out. I didn't even realize that it was the day how liberate I know and after all the time that I sat around and you know, what if I did this and what if I did that to actually realize oh like I didn't stop and think about it today right was probably the greatest like part of knowing that I am healing from it, right? Because I spent so much time. Like we said, you know feeling so broken and like people were going to look at me differently and blame me for what happened. Yeah. So so when something like that happens to you, especially with what you experience with having so many optional Witnesses who chose to back out that can really sort of tear whatever. Trust or faith you have in humanity what has helped you like rebuild that that trust or any degree of trust in people. I think that yes, it was disappointing that those people turn their back on me and that they didn't help to tell the truth. But having the people around me that do love me and care about me and seeing how much they you know Pig. The up and made sure that I was doing everything because it was true to myself and I wasn't doing it because I felt like I was being forced to do it right made it a lot easier to forget about the people that left totally. Yeah. One thing that when it comes to victim-blaming one thing that I was thinking about that So insane because you know, I think anyone who has been assaulted as women. The first questions were asked is like what it will where were you and what were you doing and like you mentioned before right? Like what were you drinking and stuff like that? And I think it's so I think for a long time I thought that was normal because I grew up hearing those sorts of things. And it wasn't until probably the last few years that I mean at some point much earlier. I for sure realized right that's not okay, but it wasn't until recently that I just sort of realized like the absurdity of it because like people like when your home is broken into or like when you get in a car accident, yeah when you get in a car accident and you were like, oh, yeah this person hit me nobody's Well, what did you hit the very wearing? You know? Nobody's like yeah. Well, did you make sure your brake lights were on right and how that is like It's just wild that was so part of my healing the like they my year anniversary after the assault came around and I was like I need to do something. I have been dealing with this for over like a year now pretty much like with my close family and friends and I want other people, you know coming from a small community. I want other people to know that this happened to someone that they grew up with. And you know, they went in to played soccer with a normal person, right? Who's still being normal? Yeah, exactly. So I wrote a Blog and I part in the blog I wrote about how I could walk down the sidewalk and get hit with a baseball bat and get knocked out and the police would come running and they would put the whoever hit me with a baseball hat baseball hat. Baseball bat in handcuffs and we do, you know do something about it. Right and the fact that the most appalling thing when the assault happened was I was at the hospital and there was no the police were never called there was never a detective called into the room to take a statement to you know, figure out what happened where I was and because I Call the police at the scene when it happened. They technically couldn't. Go and arrest him. So yeah, so they said they told me that if I would have called what after it happened called the police. So the house that then they could have arrested him but I decided to leave which who wouldn't right which is I mean, that's probably the safest call to make my when I know the situation that I was in I was like I need to get out of here. Yeah. So yeah, I mean it was like Very it's I mean it goes back to you know, the things that people need to know and what to do if these things happen, you know, there should be a like you I mean, I don't want to say should. Well people just shouldn't be reading people. Yeah. Yes exactly. It comes down to that. But I mean it's important to know that you you can get a rape kit done. You can go to the hospital and you can you know, get swabbed and scraped. So it throws out nice when you're really selling yes, I know redo. Yes, you can go to the hospital and get a rape kit done. You can call the police hmm. Well, but you should do both of those things right is what it sounds like that you you should probably have a hard time putting a should I should with it. Well, I only say that I agree with you. I think I'm saying should from the perspective of to not especially if you're in like you were a small community. Where they are very quick to victim blame ya were you can really protect yourself? Yeah by doing those things. But even if you do take that those steps, sometimes it doesn't it does hold prevent the blame or you know, it's really, you know yourself best and raccoon need to bake the call for yourself and whatever you choose to do is what you choose to do and you know, since I wrote my blog I have had so many people reach out to me and you know, tell me their story and share with me, you know their experience and I've had people come to me and say I've never told anyone before but like, you know, it's inspiring to know that like other people are talking about it and even with the me to movement, you know, I mean, it was such a Key moment in my case because it really started to evolve and change and be talked about and understood on a different level. Yeah, when I was going through my final court hearing right because it was a part of the public discourse that versus which in a way I mean as horrible as It was for you to have to deal with that for four years. Yeah in a way. I do wonder if the result would have been different if it would have gone to court right almost right away because that wasn't part of the public conversation at that point O and it wasn't it wasn't a socially taboo then as it is now the victim blame, right? Yeah, especially if you're in a small town. Yeah, and yeah. Indeed. Yeah. Well, I think that's all the question. Let me look over my notes real quick. Oh one more question. Yeah, you've been very open with me about this. It sounds like you were pretty open, especially like with year mark with the blog how has your openness and your own like internal and external dialogue shifted around this overtime? Well, that's a good one. I I feel like I've become like a more optimistic person. I have a lot of empathy for anyone going through any trauma. I really feel like it's so important that you know, I don't think it's fair to say that any traumas the same, you know, no two trauma is alike and to be able to share my story with people. gives me the ability to also understand other people's stories, which I really value and appreciate and you know being able to be someone that helps others to process and guide I guess during a trauma is really rewarding to be able to Be the help to someone that I wish that I had, you know just from being from a small town and you know having someone that I had a lot of support luckily and I'm hoping that I can be the support for anyone who doesn't have any other support. Yeah. I want to be that one person that like people know that they can come to me and I will they can confide in me and We'll help them in any way that they need me to and make sure that you know, they're healing in a way that's right for them. Awesome. Yeah, thank you for being on. I really appreciate that and I could talk for hours. Well, we do something thanks. Yeah. Thank you so much for listening to another episode of hashtag BTS podcast. I know that that was heavy it is I don't know. It feels weird to record an outro on a heavy subject and not sound somber but this is also a lot of people's lived experiences and like we talked about quite a bit in this conversation. I would venture to say that most people who have gone through being sexually assaulted don't want to be treated like Or just like like pity eyes and things like that. So I think it's also fair to say that as mentioned the terrible. Thanks for asking podcast called unbroken was really great where Sarah I believe is the guest name was saying that people do expect sexual assault survivors to be more broken than they are and that is not necessarily. In fact, it's not at all like it's not up to survivors of a salt. To live up to other people's expectations of what that looks like. So in light of that that's why I don't sound somber because it feels like counterproductive to the overall sort of message of the podcast. I appreciate you listening music on this podcast is by Benjamin both are mm and I hope you have a lovely day take a bath to relax if you need to after this guy.

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Hello. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology month ahead. Audio horoscopes for Leo season. This is Renee Sills your astrologer and host of the embodied astrology podcast along with these horoscopes. Please make sure to listen to embodied astrology for Leo season this special episode called glow time focuses on Leo in the body in life and love and relationships and experiences everybody. He carries Leo in their bodies. Everybody has Leo in their charts. And in this episode, I'll offer some attunements and healing practices for working with Leo in yourself. And in your life. Also, please remember to check back in with me at the new moon and the full moon this month for some lunar Attunement practices on July 31st. We have a new moon in Leo and on August 15th. We have a full moon in Aquarius and both of those days. I'll be putting out meditations or embodiment rituals to You are tuned with these lunar cycles. I want to offer a huge. Thank you to subscribers subscribers. 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Now as always I just want to encourage you to listen with an open mind horoscopes are a general kind of art. There are a ton of people on the planet and there are not only twelve kinds of people. So as I offer your horoscope, I'm offering General suggestions and the energy that I'm receiving from the chart may or may not be applicable to you in exactly the way that I speak it. So, please listen for the sentiment or the Symbolism and what I'm saying apply it to yourself intuitively if you associate to something that I'm saying, that's the right thing. You can go down that road. Listen a couple of times ask questions to yourself kind of consider all the different ways that you could think about what I'm offering and always take what works leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are simply suggestions here for your best benefit and positive Evolution. I want to encourage you to listen to the horoscopes for at least Your son and your rising sign your sun sign is the season that you are born. It's what you answer when someone asks. Hey, what's your sign? Your rising sign is the time of day. You were born not everybody has this information, and so if you don't know your rising sign your sun sign is awesome to listen to some people really get into listening for their Moon signs for their Lena signs. There are all different signs for all the planets in your chart and really many of the horoscopes could speak to you. So I hope you oil, whichever ones you listen to hello Libra. Thank you for listening to your month ahead forecast and audio horoscope for Leo season. We have season begins on July 22nd. It finishes up on August 22nd. And for you Leo rules the part of your chart that has to do with the Big Ideas. These are Big Ideas about your work in the world kind of how your vital creative unique energy gets received and perceived by Is this place in the chart has to do with your networks your sense of social world of social life and also any social projects that you're involved with. So these could be humanitarian or some kind of organizing. This is where your idealism comes forth and your hopes and your worries about the future Leo is a wonderful sign. It is exuberant. It is optimistic. It is highly creative. It's really Formative this is where you can really shine Leo is the ruler of our hearts in our spines. But also each of us as unique personalities and individuals. So one way to think about this is when you're kind of doing your work in the world when you're out with a community when you are directing your efforts into some kind of cause that is Meaningful for you you're shining you're happy. The inner sun is radiating. And there's a lot of stuff going on in Leo throughout Leo season, all of the personal planets will be moving from cancer into Leo as the season goes on. So this is the movement from your solar tenth into your solar 11th house. This movement is the progression into Community from a place of vocation over the past month or so, you may have been working in some way in the world that is bringing you into more of a public Spotlight for many of of you this is going to have to do with your vocation your career some kind of professionalism or place of authority that you hold or that you're trying to hold that you're building for yourself. And as we get into Leo season your attention and your awareness starts to move out into the communities surrounding this work potentially or maybe completely different but there's definitely a shift from a focus on your Ambitions your achievements again what you're trying to build into More of a social project with all of the movement in Leo throughout the month. The planets will be making several aspects to earth and water Leo is a fire sign and fire moves up and out earth and water move down and in the aspects that the personal planets are making to the transpersonal planets or the outer planets in earth and water may bring a certain need for slowing down for taking time for getting pregnant. Eric and connecting and and depending on your unique composition your chart and how much fire air earth water balance. You have what your Elemental makeup is. This may be more or less comfortable for you on the kind of negative end of the spectrum for people that are really fire and are predominant. These aspects are bringing maybe a fair amount of tension aggravation. There's a feeling of definitely Eating to shift into a new framework and a sense of again slowing down being practical figure out how to apply your energy in a way that is sustainable and working on sensitivity. So these needs with fire as I said sometimes and for some people this is going to be a kind of frustrating experience, but ultimately it helps you it helps you grow. Oh this fire the sense of passion and optimism that you have in this part of your chart. So the sun moves into Leo on July 22nd, as I mentioned it will move through the sign of Leo until August 22nd on July 27th Venus moves into Leo where it will travel until August 21st Venus is your ruling planet. So therefore it's really important planet for you Libra in its rulership in association with Venus. Has a lot to do with Beauty with aesthetic but also with diplomacy and a kind of equilibrium or Equanimity that you can bring to a social situation and as Venus moves into Leo and into this part of your chart that has to do with groups. It feels like you're really just kind of in your element in a certain way and whatever groups you happen to be around or friends or if you're engaging with some kind of like ideation or envisioning process. This is really going to make you happy and it's definitely a place where you can shine Venus brings love and beauty and magnetism wherever it is that it travels. This is a really nice time for you to be social and to put yourself in social situations to get out there and again to also engage any kind of ideation or visualization envisioning project projects or process on July 31st. There's a new moon at 8 degrees of Leo. And the new moon is always a great time to initiate a new beginning and this new beginning is one way you can think of it is as the start of a 12 month cycle. So from this new moon in Leo and till the new moon in Leo in 2020 typically one new moon and each sign per month. So think forward into the next year of your life. What are you wanting to cultivate in this part of your life again Friends Network? Twerks a sense of social responsibility or social participation humanitarian projects and ways that you are working towards some kind of future hopes or future goals. This is also the day that mercury turns Direct in cancer. And once again cancer rules the part of your chart that has to do with your vocation your Public Image what it is that you're building and what it is that you're achieving this Mercury retrograde began in Leo. It's moved back into cancer and in just a couple days Mercury will move back. Tulio again to complete the cycle. So with Mercury retrograde we have the mental capacity and the language function Otherwise Known, perhaps as the mind turning in on itself and it looks to me like this Mercury retrograde has been time for you to really consider what kind of impact you want to have how you are the most effective in your chosen path or in your chosen field or whatever it is that you're applying yourself to right now what this means for you. And a greater social sense and the opportunities that can come from it. But also how you want to position yourself emotionally cancer is an emotional sign and Leo has a lot to do with our personal happiness. And so there's something here about you really kind of feeling into the ways that you want to be authentic and heartfelt and maybe some kind of question around what you want to get out of an experience. On the new moon day. I'll be putting out some kind of meditation or ritual Donner this lunar energy. So please make sure to check back in with me and embodied astrology on July 31st. August 11th is a very busy day astrologically Jupiter is turning direct. Your honest is stationing retrograde and Mercury is entering Leo. So Jupiter is stationing direct after a four-month retrograde it turns retrograde on April 10th for You the sign Sagittarius were Jupiter currently is rules your solar third house. This is the place in your chart that signifies communication and the way that you learn and also the way that you are socialized. So socialization is an ongoing process throughout your life. It starts when you are born and continues until you die, and it has to do with who's around you and what's normal and how you You are coming into contact with different points of view and whether or not you're open-minded and how you're communicating and how you're using your mind and your intelligence to get along with people and for the last couple of months Jupiter in this part of your chart has been in a more self reflective cycle. Anytime a planet is retrograde. Its energy is turned inward Jupiter is known as the guru or the great teacher in the astrological lexicon. This is the energy that wants A help you grow and make meaning out of your experiences and Sagittarius is also a fire sign and so Jupiter in Sagittarius is aspecting all of the planets that are moving through Leo. This aspects to me gives me the idea that you're working on communication in a different way. I think you're recognizing something about how you come across and how you can come across you might be going through some kind of growth process. In terms of what you are aware of and you're perceptive capacity. So there's something called premotor focus and it's basically how we prepare ourselves to focus and you can also think of it as bias what we are prepared to focus on because we're paying attention to it and it seems to me like you are recognizing something about your mind and the way that your mind is set up and this is leading to some kind of new insights for you. This is great. This is lending to an overall sensation of healing and positivity in your relationships. And I definitely want to encourage you to continue to do this work around exploring your communication capacity how you're listening how you receive information and how you share yourself with others through your articulations. Jupiter will be in Sagittarius through the end of November and you can just continue kind of keeping this as an idea until then if that resonates for you. On August 11th, as I mentioned before you're honest is also stationing direct. Your honest is moving through Taurus. This is the solar Eighth House in your chart. The solar Eighth House is the place where we come into intimacy's where we experience a vulnerability where we encounter in Securities where we kind of experience a deeper level of emotional stuff that can get really stuck. Times this is the place in the chart that feels like a swamp and emotional swamp. And your Rod is coming into this part of your chart is stirring things up. It's turning things. It is asking you to pay attention to your Shadow material to look at feelings of insecurity competition kind of the more subvert or subliminal Communications between people and I think this is part of what's going on for you. And your communication style because something is Shifting for you and how you're reading people right now. And this is a really great development with your honest in this part of your chart and as it turns retrograde, it's helping you to understand how you position yourself Within These arrangements and it seems like you are figuring out some way of being vulnerable and intimate or close and emotionally. And asking for what you need and dealing with other people in this kind of potentially intense emotional space in a totally new way and that feels really exciting. So again over the course of the next five months until January 12th, your honest will be retrograde in this part of your chart and this is a really amazing time for you have for you to have quite a bit of insight into how you are engaging in these more kind of under the surface subconscious or subliminal ways. Finally on August 11th Mercury moves into Leo and wherever Mercury is our thought process follows and we have stuff to talk about. So the planet of communications is moving into your solar 11th house into the sign Leo. This lens to this feeling of you being in a very social space of you having encounters with a lot of different people with a lot of different kinds of people and really getting to share yourself in a way that to me seems like maybe it's pretty fun. I hope it's pretty fun. August 15th, there's a full moon in the sign Aquarius Aquarius is the opposite sign of Leo and a full moon is always an opposition. So we've got the Sun and all the personal planets in Leo and the Moon in Aquarius reflecting all of that light all of that energy the moon the full moon is going to light up your solar fifth house. This is the place in the chart that represents your specialness your uniqueness your creative Joy if you have children, And they might be a big part of this full moon energy. And what's going on for you as well the balance between Leo and Aquarius in your chart has to do with the balance between your specialness as a unique individual and you with groups. So as I've talked about already Leo and your chart is this place where you're encountering groups where you're one of a social whole you get to be that libran social butterfly perhaps or you recognize your non specialness in some ways you get to be part of a community. City and in the the full moon, we get to encounter your uniqueness your specialness. And this may be a feeling of heightened emotional sensation as many full moons are but this could also be a really lovely full moon for you to just kind of absorb a little bit your own creative pleasure your romantic side your playful side. The 5th house is a really fun place. And it's where you are in your heart. You are having a good time and it just feels like a very potentially very social experience for you with everything that's going on in your 11th house to now as we get into the later half of Leo season everything starts to move into Virgo. So on August 17th Mars moves into Virgo on August 21st, Venus moves into Virgo Mars will be in Virgo until early October Venus will be in Virgo until Timber 15th, then on August 23rd Leo season ends the sun moves into Virgo and on the 29th Mercury follow suit. So we've got all the personal planets and the Sun now moving from your solar 11th house into your solar 12th house and this is definitely a shift. This takes you into a much more private and kind of low key space. You may really be feeling the need to rest to go inwards to check in with your intuition. You might really I need to go offline. If early August brings up a lot of busyness for you a lot of social experiences or needs for you to be encountering and engaging with others. Then as we get into the later half of the month and September you will probably be wanting to recover in a certain way and really come back into your own energy. So all in all this feels like a very social month, it feels like there's a lot that's happening for you in. Many different layers of your relationships and how you're communicating and how your understanding your own predisposition and kind of set ups around communication, but also around just engagements friendships relationships how people are coming together. You're learning a ton from the people around you and you definitely want to treat the people around you as you're respected and revered teachers fire signs can always go far with generosity. With optimism and enthusiasm and if you share that with the people around you over the course of Leo season, it's definitely going to be to a good effect. So I would definitely encourage that if you want to know more about astrology, please consider subscribing to embodied astrology, you'll get my extended forecast and there's a lot more there in terms of planetary aspects and lunar cycles. Finally do make sure to check in with me for the new moon on July 31st and the full moon on August I offered lunar attunements for the new moon and the full moon and then on August 23rd check back in for your Virgo season audio horoscopes and month ahead forecasts. Thanks for listening. Happy Leo season, bye-bye.

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Hello and welcome to Earth medicine podcast your daily medicine for inspired living. My name is Alexia and I am sharing stories motivations and wisdom from Mama Earth and her changemakers. I am so excited. You're here with me today not tuned in and lesson. Welcome back to another episode of Earth medicine podcast today. I'm really excited to be speaking to a very beautiful influential woman Talia Sutra who I've just met at the yoga festival at vertice in the south of Australia and just taking her back bending class. I got so inspired to just go up to her and talk to her about what she does in her life and how she inspires Other people so welcome Talia so excited that you're taking your time even after teaching to speak to me and I want to open by just asking, you know, what has brought you to the point of today where you are so much really sharing the back bending story with other people and what really is the essence of of your teaching when it comes to opening the heart. What do you want to share? So I don't know if there was ever one specific thing that brought me to where I am. Now. I think it's just one step followed by another step followed by another step and it wasn't always a straight path. But like I mentioned in the class briefly, I've always loved to backbend. So I did it even when I was just a baby. I think I think my in my family we have pictures of me. Even sleeping really? Yeah, this is sleeping in like a puppy pose and my son actually does the same. He's two years old and he likes to sleep like this. I think I've seen other kids do that. But I really enjoyed I guess I found it comfortable for my young age. And then I also really enjoyed doing wheels and camels before I knew what they were and that they were yoga postures and then my mom discovered yoga when I was about Out six years old and she and I practiced together from time to time and I learned a lot of yoga through her and I've always had the luck to to be physically active later in life. I started to delve into a world of Classical Ballet. So I definitely got to spend every single I spent hours a day eight hours a day. Wow at a studio. Working on my body. You know, I'd take Nica expression and I was my whole life and while there's certainly back bending in dance and ballet. It's not it's not for the sake of healing the spine. It's a lot more of an expressive artistic aesthetic Choice choreography. So it's very different than tension was very different. I still it was a very very much a spiritual experience for me dancing. I felt that I was communicating in a way that I couldn't otherwise while right now in my life. I'm a speaker I speak to people when I was young. I was not a speaker. I communicated to my body so movement was like prayer to me and I felt very free when I was dancing and I felt very full in my presence very fully what I was expecting collating in the story that I was telling And then if I had to have like just a regular conversation or try to talk to someone I found myself getting a little agitated at how emotional I might get trying to express myself. And so I always felt at home in my body and in movement about 11 years ago when I started committing to a Daily Yoga practice as an adult I started to notice that my friends and other teachers that I was friends with did not really enjoy a going backwards in us and as much as I did and I started to kind of investigate in and look at others and when I started teaching I definitely started to look at students and what they were doing and looking at what I was taught to say to students and seeing if that made sense and a lot of times I noticed that what teachers were teaching didn't actually make sense when I The back bending posture is and I also noticed that it was very hard to find a teacher who could backbend to teach Back Fence and I realized that actually most people were avoiding back then. Hmm. That is true. Yeah just avoiding them and that and that I really didn't know any teacher who was an actual back bending that Master but practitioner even don't eat don't even have to be a master but a practitioner Most people I found were avoiding them and and because they were avoiding them when they would teach a simple back then it was filled with hesitation and fear in that what that's what you're passing your students. It still happens now right when you offer a backbend, sometimes people just sit on the heels or they watch and see what happens in the room. Is there like a way of empowering or how do you step into this role of a teacher to empower everyone to go there? Because today was the, you know third class of the day. It in everyone was tired, but everyone was doing it and I felt you in a very, you know Center it and kind of motherly holding space energy, which was so beautiful. But what do you think? What does it take of what's the key ingredients to Holt space like that for people? Well, I think you have to teach what you don't huh? Yeah, of course, so I would say work your you your As a yoga teacher it is very much your task to be a student first and foremost into practice and to learn things. So I think if if back bending asanas are something that you have a lot of fear around just acknowledge that and it's okay to be a teacher and also like not know things and be like, I don't know. So if someone asks you a question about that bending or you're not sure it's totally okay to I am not sure but I definitely want to learn more about this instead of thinking that you have all the answers, but it's actually something that you're have a little Block in. So if you're afraid of back-bending, it's in your best interest and in your students best interest that that we try and create understanding around this area so that if you do try and teach a back-bending post, it doesn't come from a place of fear. Because we don't want to create an exchange of energy that is that is fear-based because unfortunately that it teaches our students to respond in the same way to back beneath often us to to clench the neck to clench the throat to hinge at the lower back to have pain but to just think that that's just how it is and that's the end of the story. So how how do we hold space for students by knowing what it is that we're offering an offering from? Genuine place so it's not trying to be something that that it isn't it's just some it's something that you have spent time practicing that you feel confident in offering. I think this is the way to approach it when it when you really do have a strong practice. It shows in your teaching. It's really beautiful. So think for you, it must have been years of Investigation right also, like checking your own. Spine how do I bend bag? Is that right or wrong? What was the main thing? Is there anything that has just opened your eyes a lot wider or anything that has helped you even Open to life a lot more red because back bending also helps us to open to life as its kind of given to us. Yeah, tell me the question again. So if there was one thing in particular that has helped you to get even deeper into your back bending story a deeper into the experience of a back bend to a deeper and to experience that as a teacher. We seeing that in students. Well, it's like I said in the class. So I think back bending asanas require a deep connection to our spine. And if you think of the spine it's a center of our bodies and yoga teaches us that there is no separation between body-mind-spirit between our our our body is connected to everything else that that is us our energy our are feeling - our thoughts so everything is connected when we have a certain sensation, especially because the spine is the middle of the body it connects to everything. It's clearly very important. So when we're coming into back bending asanas would not only strengthening the spinal column in the muscles around it. We're also opening the front side, which is really what most people really fear is the opening. the expansion the stretch in the front side of the body and we spoke a little bit about this in class, especially what I really focus on what I really try to bring attention to is the space between the chin bone and the chest bone and this little area is often kept closed not just in yoga class, but in life and that was a part of your question, so when we're able to find just even physical stretch a simple physical stretch between the chin bone and the chest bone and we're able to feel that it's not just physical. So there's nothing if you're being that is separated into labels and parts and boxes. So it's not like my body's here. My body's here. My mind is here. My feelings are here. It's like oh one it's all connected. So when we're able to to stretch the throat there is a lot that could start happening from that if If we're practicing that regularly for practicing it on the daily for strengthening the back of our of our neck the upper spine and we're stretching and opening the front of the throat. We spoke a little bit about communication and class. The neck is like a bridge between the animal body that everything below the neck. Everything below. The collar bones is what I would call the animal body it does everything on its own your heart is beating. Beyond its own your lungs are breathing on their own your intestines and your stomach everything is working on its own you if you're a woman you can even have a potential of creating life and your body is kind of doing it on its own. You're not thinking another crazy thought right? You're not thinking about creating feet in the fetus. It's just your body down - yeah, it's amazing. So we have a lot in our body that is not voluntary that have been on his own. And if you go above the chin above the where the our necks and throats sort of bridge into our heads the head is a completely different thing and it's kind of like what what I think makes us a little bit more humid. It's the the brain our way of seeing the world the way we identify we create labels we create identities we created ego or multiple egos from which we act from it all gets very this is where like The Human Experience happens just existential suffering. so the neck is it is a very special place in connects us between the animal and the human and it's a place of communication oftentimes because communication is blocked and stopped and if not, it's a place where a lot of shape and guilt lives fakes that we wish we could have said but we didn't things that we feel we were punished for or blamed for our ideas of how our bodies should be especially more women ideas. how the body should look should feel how I should act in this way and a lot of just control to like not being able to let go literally you can see it in asanas in back wedding asanas not being able to let go of I'm holding onto the throat the the fear that comes into like letting that go is tremendous and when we do learn that we can support full expression not because we're just releasing and dropping or head back because we're able to hold it hold it up and allow herself to stretch using our own strength. So that's kind of incredible because what I've seen in my students over many years because I have some students that I've worked with for like more than 8 years now. So what I'm able to see over time is that people who who came without knowledge of back bending are now, you know, just Their whole lives have changed not just their camel pose. Their whole lives are are in a different place. They have been transformed because of the ability to support that full expression of of this special area of the throat the neck the chest and this is what we really focus on in. This is probably my favorite my favorite part of any back bending classes really just delving into that and and and The look on people's faces when they realize that they can to can write because they've been usually stopped because they've been told not to well over and over and over again. So it's their look of like, aw, I like joy and surprise when they can be such a big Joy when you actually deepen your back fence. Hmm. I wonder if like question popped up now because there is it seems like especially for women there's an epidemic of like thyroid. Options and even me having suffered from one and had a lot long healing span and story. Do you think that back bending and really supporting yourself and getting you know opening up the chest and doing this practice and a regular basis is the medicine that we are looking for because a lot of it for me was really controlling and keeping it down and not speaking it out and realizing that I can support. Go ahead and open up was really big medicine for me that allowed me to now so to speak out and help help my healing a lot. So what do you think? Is that something that could support especially women? You know, I think that healing has a lot to do with what we believe in. Hmm. That's going to be the most important aspect of healing. So if you do not believe self healing is possible. It's not going to necessarily it's still going to have I think back bending will have healing effects on those who come into them with open mind. Open heart and really try they will have healing effects. But if it stops if you make a separation of physical and non-physical if you think physical is physical and everything else has nothing to do with it. Then you are going to be blocking yourself and some white so you will strengthen the back of your neck you will open and stretch your throat. But if you do not believe if you are firm in your stance that the physical has nothing to do with the emotional the emotional has nothing to do with the mental the mental health. If you think that they're all separated, then you might stop somewhere and then we will continue to experience all sorts of different blocks. Absolutely. So it all depends on what you believe for example going back to my mom when she discovered yoga. She was sick with lymphoma, and she obviously not obviously, but she did take the Western. Root of chemotherapy. She saw all the Western doctors did all the normal things. But at the same time she there that Western doctors of a very sort of direct and dead-ended way of giving people prognosis and being like well, this is your condition you have probably we would assume a year to live. Okay. So this happens to a lot of people happen to my mom happens to a lot of well where you get a certain prognosis and because it's coming from a person in a white coat in the hospital. It seems like this is it like this is what I have to believe and we have to be mindful that while it's definitely useful to listen to people of authority and get their opinions that it's never never the the last word on anything and I think what I've learned through my mom and what I've learned through yoga practice is it's our own. Is and our own beliefs that are going to matter most when it comes to Transforming Our Lives and healing in general. So I believe and it's I believe in I know really I know that there is no independent life of the body. It's not like a body on its own. It's connected fully one with everything else. So when I heal my body I am healing deep I am healing Old emotional wounds I am healing feelings of inadequacy not feeling enough healing old conditioning. I'm bringing awareness into my mind. I'm changing the biochemistry of my body. I'm changing the neural Connections in my brain. I'm soothing the nervous system. It's all connected. Hmm. And so I think for to answer your question with thyroid conditions that I've definitely known a lot of women who have Gold with thyroid conditions. I can't say for sure that a back-bending practice down correctly will heal thyroid conditions, but I do believe that if you take the time to practice back bending asanas and deepen your awareness and deepen your acceptance. Of course, I think you can begin to find a journey to Inner healing what regardless of what you're going through and I mean no one is going to regret doing some stuff asanas or postures. I mean, you don't while it's hard to get on the mat. Sometimes I think after you're done doing your practice. Most people are not like oh well, I should have done something else. No, we're really happy that we took the time to practice and so of course, I believe a hundred percent that We are our own best healers and we are all gold best teachers and that you can heal anything with with your awareness with your compassion to yourself and through study by actually studying what it what it really beautifully said. Yeah, I think that's what what has shown me a guided me into healing path and even just opening up rinsing the body and looking at the system as a whole realizing that nothing is, you know, no separate. Yeah, and that everything is together. And that is that was probably the most important healing step for me realizing that just okay opening up. What is coming up like is that just a body? What are these things come from? Suddenly? I know you realize. Okay. There's something more than just believing in someone with a white coat. And so yeah, it's a beautiful beautiful way of describing and sharing. I'm really really honored. Even sharing your personal stories and your mom's story. It's really beautiful just because I get truly a lot of women who have thyroid conditions and they keep asking me if I want to share, you know, my healing path of healing an autoimmune condition and if it's even possible because we all get hormones and supposed to take them for the rest of our lives and my Approach is very holistic and it's really good to hear just different people's opinion on how this system works and how we All just you know, trying our best to learn more about ourselves and that really is the healing to click in back with with nature and with our own nature because the only thing that keeps us from not being healthy is not being enough or nature. It's what I learned from myself and least. So to kind of end this little talk, is there anything that You would share with people to just deepen the experience of a backbend. Like how does a person even get started? Say my mom, for example, she doesn't she doesn't go to yoga even and how would she go on the mat? And how would I share with her? Okay, this is something that could you could benefit from what would you tell her like absolute beginner and going to this experience? Well, I work with a lot of beginners. I work with ya all types of people so I definitely I've had students in the past who really were incredibly flexible and just wanted to deepen their they're back bending asanas and I have students who are beginners. The most important thing is to find a teacher who practices what they teach to go back to at least spoke about in the beginning so It's not always easy finding a teacher who knows how to help you with your back bending you have to find someone who has committed some time to learn and to practice and we can do their best and is honest like I find that honesty and sincerity is an important quality in people. So For a beginner what I usually start with is what the way we started the class moving into wrist circling wrist stretching fingers taking really taking time to move into the rest of the arms are an extension of our upper backs right extension of the heart and like we spoke about there is no separation. So we do a lot with our hands to be creative to make meals to wash You hug someone to beat someone there's a lot that happens to communicate with our hands and we rarely take the time most people do not take the time to really breathe into them to stretch the wrist joints to stretch the finger joints. I start there and then from there I usually speak a little bit to beginners about them the mobility of the shoulders and what they can do so that they know that they can lift your shoulders up. Up and down, they could track the shoulders. They can pull the shoulders back. So there's all sorts of simple actions. We can do to lift children have and pull them down and really reach them in all sorts of directions and then going into cats and cows. So beginning to introduce the tilt of the pelvis in different directions and talking about the shape in cow pose where we really get a stretch from the chamber. Look to the pubic bone. This is essentially a shape that we continue visiting and back bending and the phone. Yes, and this could even be enough. So if you want to teach your mom a little bit about back bending, this is a great way to start you show them a little bit about the mobility of the wrist mobility of the shoulders a little bit of cats and cows and maybe even puppy pose is great with beginners as well. They can place their forehead on the floor and really just rest there. You could even use blankets or pillows. Has like a bolster and place them underneath the chest and Chin tube to if it's challenging and then you could even hug the bolster of the pillow and it's way you this is how we sleep. So you do that that can be great for for beginners anything that's kind of supported and gentlemen, you think doing a cat pose with the wall like we did in class. Those are all great. Options. Mmm. Thank you so much. Thank you. It's really empowering. I think also to hear for people that anyone can do back bends and you start with your fingers and your hands and your wrists and shoulders just even learning about your body. Yeah, and yeah cat Cow is well, right. Most people just do it in class and I don't realize that it's already very back when you already doing the work. Yeah you doing the work but it's not just what we do. It's how we do it. And so absolutely lot of times we get into a thing. And there I mean, there's very in a room of like 30 students. I would say probably only two or three are doing a cat Cow with complete attention and awareness and curiosity. A lot of times. They're the mind is somewhere else is is it's either spaced out. It's spaced out somewhere or it's focusing on something like a thought or something. It's it's not the right here in the spine. It's not going into the actual spine with the thing that we need to learn is that you can go into your body. You can go into your actual spine and get to know it in a cat Cow, like it's as simple as that and cat-cows can become super interesting to do if you really are curious about it if you're interested in it. You know and it goes back to what you believe. So if you really believe that the body is one with with who you are with with your with your sets of with your energy with your mind. If you believe that everything is connected then you'll begin to notice that how you feel shifts, you know, you feel differently when you really paying attention you really present you start to feel different. So after class or after you in just five minutes. Of moving into wrists and shoulders and and lifting the chin and cow pose. You can really afterwards it's enough to already have shifted energy tremendously you feel a little more open. So would you would just say that going slower helps to bring more awareness in different places? Yes. I'm definitely I don't think I mean a lot it's very popular to have just very fast very loud like Like yoga classes because I think it's like almost It's Entertainment. It's very entertaining and sometimes it can be under Something That We're craving to just like dancing, you know, like going wild and dance absolutely traditionally like and I'm a bit of a traditionalist. I think yoga Asana is is meant to be meditative and a place where we can really go Inward and learn study ourselves. So with compassion with non harm with non judgment, I think the goal is really awesome. Not as means to have a steady connection to the earth a steady seat. This is the purpose of Asana is in the name itself is to have a peaceful and steady connection to the body. The body becomes a seat. The body becomes like a throne on the earth. Hmm. And so that's definitely something that can help guide us. Our intention slowing down and slowing down just means being present means but not practicing to get anywhere you just practicing to be here. Yeah, I truly appreciate that that in your class today because I didn't think I could you know do another fast one. Yeah I came and it was very peacefully held and you didn't play music and I was very much drawn to your voice and really trying to be present and focus on myself and I very much appreciated that You carry that with the message. You don't even have to speak about it. It's what you embody and that's a very very beautiful thing. So thank you for that. Thank you. And just for everyone who is listening if we wanted to continue practicing with you. Do you like to share like where we can find you or if you have upcoming events anything in the next year or so you can practice online and a low moves Alamos is an online platform. There are many many. Wonderful teachers, I think every teacher who's here teaching a lot of the teachers who are here to take today. You can find their classes on there and I definitely have the method back bending on a low moves as well as many other classes. So if you're interested in back bending the information, is there online I also travel right now. I'm going to be taking a couple of months to be home with my family and to take a break. Take after that. I do my 200 our teacher training and then I go actually to Asia so I don't wow. Yeah, I going to Singapore and Hong Kong and send them over. Yeah all over all over. I'll be in Europe in December and Croatia actually, which I'm excited about. I haven't been there yet. So beautiful. So just recommend everyone to stay updated on your website. I guess VIA website and Alan moves. Yeah where there's all the classes. Yeah, right. Don't beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm really really grateful that you shared all these words. Thank you. Thank you everyone for listening Jim back in soon, bye-bye.

In this episode I am talking to world renowned Yoga teacher Talia Sutra from Israel. Her backbends have become her signature and message for the world. Talia talks about  the effect backbending has on the body & mind how you have to teach the world what you know best how to hold space for others the physical and emotional connection of backbending how the neck is the connection between animal and human expression how healing has to do with what we we believe in Talia Sutra has been practicing movement, dance, yoga, meditation and veganism since childhood. She sees nothing as external to her studies and has learned impeccable skill and technique from masters in the world of ballet and art alike. Talia has studied and practiced many forms of yoga including Bikram, Dharma, ashtanga and various forms of vinyasa. She has combined years of experience into her own unique blend of seamless, creative vinyasas and intense, focused hatha stillness. Her classes  inspire joy, alignment, breath and focus. She offers a deep understanding of traditional asanas and specializes in both the theory and practice of backbending postures, for which she has created a method.Talia believes that yoga practice is a window to self realization. Equally, she finds sensitivity, intuition and insight are to be found through connection with the seemingly ordinary world around us and that no teacher is greater than the one within.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the withering effect. This is episode 11. Today's date is August 27th. I am Duds or Duds versus everywhere else. You may see me and I'm bunk out apple or bank for sure. And today we're going to talk about some Minecraft. What have you been working on this?Week. Well, I'm actually going to start on some non Minecraft stuff. Like I always do I did some more work on my car. Oh nice trying to fix the stuff the dealership decided that wasn't important enough to fix on my warranty. Oh, maybe not too nice done. Yeah. Basically there's just a flapping plastic sound around 60 miles an hour which at America's highways speed just about everywhere. Mmm. So it's super annoying. And so I did some digging underneath the car trying to find these plastic panels that might be loose and I found a couple bought the parts to fix it fix those parts just to still have the sound there. Oh, so you didn't even fix it didn't even fix it. I fixed some other stuff the stuff I did fix really did need to be fixed. So I'm not upset. I'm just kind of like disappointed that I didn't find the real cause so you did a lot of really useful stuff. This was just sort of I might have done it for like no reason it kind of. All right. Well, I wouldn't say no reason because like I said, it needed to be done my sick parts that were loose and needed to be tightened up and they are now but doing all that kind of stuff. Maybe think it might be worth maybe every once in a while like once every three months throwing like a car Vlog up there. She says yeah. Do you have a decently nice car? It's not anything to just toot my own horn at but I have a nice car and I like taking care of my car. So it would be kind of fun to show it off on the channel and stuff. If you got a car like yours over here. It's kind of a fancy car. So that's yeah. It all started because I started watching the show hyperdrive on Netflix. I don't know if you've heard of it yet. I've know if it's in Europe. I'm not that big of a car guy. I'm assuming it's kind of a car serious but not being a car guy actually works out to okay. Did you watch American Ninja Warrior at all? I've seen it Boss by and never really looked at it. But yeah, I sort of know what it is. Yeah, so take American Ninja Warrior. Mmm, and instead of people put a car's. Okay, that does sound interesting basically a giant obstacle course for cars and it's fun to watch you don't have to be a car person to enjoy it. So like Sunday when we were having a family dinner, I turned it on the TV because I was like seven episodes in I'm like I'm watching this sucker and basically the entire family got into it because there's great backstories for some of these drivers. Most Everyone's an amateur driver. There's very few professional guys actually and it you have to bring your own car. So the risk of crashing it is huge. There's not any prize money for competing on this show. Oh, they've got it figured. Yeah, they pay for your travel they pay for your food and all that kind of stuff. And that's it. You wreck your car your car is gone. Okay. It's on you. I was thinking you have fun. What is it trials for like bikes and stuff. It's At a good comparison to make as well do this I would say so because there's qualifiers that lead up to an actual knockout round. We're basically if you're the two slowest you have to go head-to-head to see who gets kicked out of the course cool. It's very cool very fun to watch. Even if you're not a car person give it a shot. I will that sounds kind of interesting. Yeah. Just watch one episode very well done. Charlize Theron is the executive. Producer which looking at you wouldn't realize she's a car person, but she is nice. She's in the first episode a little bit but then kind of stands back and lets the racers really just race, which I really like. She didn't put herself forward a lot. So it's more about the race was on the radio about her. Yeah. Yeah. They have a couple announcers that if you're familiar with American Sports at all, you'll know. But yeah very fun to watch and I was watching that while working on my car. So that's what I had. Well, maybe car Vlogs would be something people might want to watch every once in a while. I think you could be interesting I think so too but getting on to actual Minecraft stuff because the Minecraft podcast like always the tangents. I finished my potion brewing room another word Farm after like starting at three weeks ago. I can't believe it took so long to finish. It take a long time. Yeah, well the another work Farm itself literally took 30 minutes throw together. It wasn't that hard the pathing for the storage system was a little hard because I changed my mind halfway through it. But other than that, it's working fine. I did some Phantom hunting so I have enough. What do you call it? Phantom membrane to do some slow falling potions. I only have like over a stack because I don't think I'm going to need a ton of Slow falling potions, you'll get you got like 3 potions out of one. So that's right. That's a long I pushed and I put the red stone in there. So it's like an eight-minute potion each time. Oh nice, so you have great devotions nice. But yeah, that's all done video went out. That's great and everything. Other than that. I'm kind of like what project do I work on now? Yeah, I mean your basis is getting there isn't much attending to do I guess no, I think I'm going to go outside the walls and work on a village. I have an idea for the little I don't want to call him shops, but the pop-up tent area. Hmm. Yeah on with trying to think of what to do next. How was your week? What did you work on? Yeah, you're laughing already because you The how all about it. So up until Tuesday. All right, guess Wednesday evening. My week was awesome. God we know to say I got my 3D printer we toast was amazing and then like Wednesday evening, I burnt my hands pretty badly, which is my right hand as well. It's kind of disables me behind a PC. Yeah, it was annoying and obviously it hurt like a lot. Yeah cancer is works. I want to use yeah. That's pretty much the only word that can describe it and then like two days later. My body was like yeah, you didn't get screwed enough. Let's give you like some random infection somewhere. I'll stick with that. But yeah, my week was pretty horrible. It sounds horrible. It was a lot of pain but it's getting all better now man seeming really nice. So hopefully I'll be able to to use it properly on the PC again. I did play like well I actually got Chance to watch a lot of YouTube and stuff, which is nice. Yeah, I did manage to play like some simple games with my left hand. But yeah, it's I want to be able to use my right hand again. That would be nice. But that yeah, that was pretty much my week as a lot of YouTube videos to catch up on I got so tied up first with Person of Interest and then I immediately went to hyperdrive right after that. Yeah. I think I have like Two weeks backlog of ripple effect videos to catch up on yeah good series this really ruin like YouTube watching schedules and stuff. Well, I don't have schedules for it. I guess you know what? I mean? Well, see, that's the worst part about hyperdrive. I was sitting there and it's like, okay. It's only 10 episodes. This isn't bad and I'll just watch one episode of day. So I'm not no hooked immediately binge watch the first episode Cliffhanger when those are ya there. Great for like keeping you watching that stuff. Yeah, I'm around the next couple episodes. There were no Cliffhanger so you could stop it if you wanted to but I don't want to yeah, I know the feeling really well. I think almost anyone does like when you find a good show, it's just white quit, right, right. Yeah. I didn't up tweeting at one of the hos saying dude the show's awesome and everything, but you guys are at least all the episode at once. So now I have to wait like two years from season 2 if there's going to be one what the heck yeah, that is the worst. I'm always I like it when they fully release a show at once so you can like watch it instantly, but if they are going to continue with it, it would have been nicer if you just have one episode a week so they could make it as you're catching up. Yeah. Yeah. Oh well. Oh, well, okay, so we're going to get back on track now with Minecraft new I swear I'll stop talking about cars. Also there was actually Minecraft news was first nice, right me and you both were like, they're not going to talk about anything important till Minecon. We're gonna have to scrounge up some random news such as how do bees were pants and we think we're sad wing. So 115 snapshot came out. It is 19w 34A and we're going to briefly go over it because obviously it's going to mean the main topic of discussion. So the snapshot added bees bees nest beehives honeycomb a new dispenser functionality Java Edition now requires opengl 2.0. I hope that means it's going to be less buggy and laggy. I don't know. It's got a new function for loot tables called copies State and they fix the bugs. Well book philosophy has always always around. I think they do that every update right? I don't know what the opengl 2.0 does. Like I said, I just hope it's more of a sturdier version never make foodie sure on the opengl thing because yeah, I've heard like a ton of different things about it and I just didn't pay enough attention anymore the last few years, but yeah, it might have something to do with being able to Old tap and stuff as well. Maybe because they did promise a windowed full screen version. Yeah point that has never come and I remember when they were mentioning that they mentioned the opengl thing a lot less well, so maybe they are related, but I honestly can't remember. Yeah, but I said we'll talk more about bees and stuff in the main discussion. So we're going to go ahead and switch over to Minecraft dungeons had gameplay released. We had a teaser trailer before and for those of you guys who don't know dungeons is going to be a multiplayer Dungeon Crawler. It's very different from Minecraft and it's not a survival game. Well it is you don't want to die. It's going to say well Kinda Yeah, but to me. Dungeons will be kind of a Proving Ground for designs. That's what I'm more interested in not so much the gameplay and everything like that but designs of armor because they have custom armor in there like a custom weapons in there. They also put magic in there. Yeah, so I'm curious to see how magic Works to me. I know they say they're not. Dungeons has no effect on Minecraft in Minecraft has no effect on dungeons, but I think there quietly going to be Proving Grounds. It's like, oh, yeah, this texture works really well here. It might work well in Java or Bedrock or stuff like that. That's really interesting. I honestly didn't think about that. Now did you say that though? I watched one because yeah, which one video where someone was commenting while he was playing and he mentioned how we really liked the Sounds in there so that they could be and like that's a nice example of what you just said that could be they could use that like, oh people like the so sure going to use use it in there in the real Minecraft. I'm glad you said that because that's the one thing I really On to say in men the ambient noises in this game really do bring me into the game. It's not so much like Minecraft where I just literally as soon as I get in I turned all my sounds basically all the way down. The only sound I have going I think is like water blocks where there's Bubbles and stuff so I can tell where lava is and Hostile Mobs. Everything else is like muted. I can't play that way. Like I just want a lot of sound. And I didn't really notice that the maybe because I'm just so used to having a lot of ambient sounds I didn't know but I'm definitely going to pay more attention to that. Yeah, I'll probably watch it after the podcast and listen to all the sounds because that sounds interesting good sounds do we get the link to Carl so he can put the gameplay video or whatever we're watching in the notes. So people can watch the same trailer. Oh, yeah, that's a good idea. Some other stuff. I saw it very much reminded me of the new Legend of Zelda coming. Well, I say new but the remake of Link's Awakening. I thought I was like gonna be pretty much exactly the same as the old Link's Awakening just Coloradan if it pretty much is but the way the camera and the player moves to me that feels very much like Link's Awakening. Okay, so it's My interest I really want to play this game the way more than Minecraft Earth. Yeah, Minecraft Earth. It's going to be fun for a bit. I guess this definitely looks like it as well. I mean they can just make new or new dungeons, right? So that's it. It's all computer-generated. No engines the same who I miss that yeah. So each dungeon changes and stuff like that. And also the difficulty level goes up based on your level, right? It kind of makes a dish. Yeah, it should get harder as you play. And to me this looks like a real fun game. I so say we're streaming but we can't do like our Friday stream our plans got ruined. So we have to come up with something quick. We've had to do that multiple times. Yeah. This would be a fun game just to throw in there. Like hey, if to other people want to join us, let's go. Let's go fight some random dungeon. Yeah, depending on how the service work. We could just say. Like Hey, we're here. If you want to join something like that. Yeah, I mean, it sounds interesting. I think a double definitely especially the way you say it if you go, I don't know once in a while just do it engine. It does sound a bit. Like if you want to play it on a daily basis. For example, this is the sound yeah doesn't sound really well to do that. But I'm also really curious about and I'm guessing by you saying that it's like procedurally generated. When I think of a Dungeon Crawler, I think personals and hard puzzles like that. Those are kind of the puzzle games to me. Yeah, I can't imagine it in here. I didn't really see much of it either right and that's the bad part by the trailer because it doesn't really show you a lot and from what I heard, it looks super easy in the trailer, but like the characters if you look there levels Extremely high whereas the mobs aren't and that was made so it would be a quicker gameplay. Yeah, I think they do an entire dungeon in one clip. Well, they also Louisville up like every minute or something. Yeah. Yeah, but I think but what you can see on the gameplay plating me, I kind of see it as one of those classic hack and slash games more than than anything else. I hope they change that because I mean, it's really be fun to just build and smash your way through it engine. But yeah only for once in a while if they if they add some I don't know something like Puzzles or whatever. I can see myself playing it more often. Yeah for sure. They did mention it won't be available at the beginning but player-created dungeons might be a thing. I didn't know how I feel about that yet, but considering the community of Minecraft there could be some awesome. Engines in there right especially with Halle. Was it Mario Maker nice kind of caught on the idea making your own level could be very fun. Yeah. I remember like back in the day with some games had like World editor and you could make your level. I always really enjoy doing that. Yeah, it's definitely a game. I want to pick up do I think it's worth the $60 price tag American that a lot of games are no, I don't know about that either. That's that's a lot. They haven't given a price. That's why I'm saying this if it's the same as like Java, which I think is $25 right now. I'll even pay $30 for it. But yeah with them coming out on switch PlayStation and Xbox mmmm. I don't know many switch games that are under $60. So that's why I threw that number out there. Yeah, even though it tastes like 60 is sort of sort of a cheap game. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm hoping they print they don't. Put it that price there that's open space Minecraft. It's always has been fairly cheap. Yeah, it'd be very player-friendly. It's not gonna hurt your wallet. It's accessible. Exactly. Yeah, Joe, I really like and hoping that's what they go with. Yeah. Yeah same here and I think you're right over. I'm not sure if you're right, but I hope you're right about it being a Proving Ground. Yeah. I hope such that would be awesome. Yeah, although be We'll catch some guess quick if that's the case. Yeah. I think you have some Minecon news. Ah, it's not really news. But I'm I saw it and I thought oh that's kind of fun like in exactly one month. So 28th of September. It's gonna be well Minecraft Earth. They call it now. I'm just going to say mine gold. Which is nice that's in a month. I think it's closed Minecon live now. It's not hers anymore. Oh, yeah, I think we had a whole both costing about it were like, oh they changed the name and stuff. I didn't know I'm a Confederate because we changed the name, right? Yeah. I'm just sticking with mine Golem. Everybody knows that. Yeah, it's Minecon. It's I can't wait. I want to see what they yeah, especially with like the little preview snapshot. They did now it's like oh, yeah. How about a bomb? Yeah, I was really surprised they were like, oh, we're not gonna gonna say anything about 1.15 until like mine gone and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, they boast beasts, which is awesome. Yeah talking about bees. I for one to check Twitter, which I'm really bad at but not exactly and I saw Minecraft we did a thing a ball where they were like, how would these where Ben Ends. Yes, which I thought was funny. I wasn't sure if I should read anything into that. Like are they hinting towards something? They're gonna add or not. I just thought it was funny. So I wanted to mention it here. Curious what you thought about it and maybe our yeah summer. So anyone who chooses the picture on the left. What what are you thinking? Yeah. Okay, I get the it covers all the legs. But it reveals half the bees but as I mean, that's what pants do they cover your butt. Yeah. So the right picture is the right picture right is always right. I think anybody would agree that sort of the Stinger burnt. It's the bit of a bee. And it seems well you said like everybody who picked the left picture but that's like twice as much people so far as I know your picture we think is right, but, you know the rain hits cover half that B's face you don't put your belt at your chip. Yeah weird. I mean I get that they want to go for the legs but their limbs right bees could have hands. Yeah, they have limbs you're not hardly legs. So Covering like your hands or your arms in your be legs with pants that that's going to be a nun after belt on your chin. Like you said, that's awkward. Yeah, we're talking way too much about bees wearing pants. So I mean they were begging like this week. They got a stokin about these. Yeah. What's the Boost this week? No, I didn't say yes. That was good. That was a good One I haven't heard that one yet. And I've heard a lot of be talk this week. Oh, okay. Well, I'm surprised actually kills that was a really obvious one. Whoa, okay, so more information. So the Quarry guy, I can't pronounce his last name. So I'm not going to try rough you ever hears this I am so sorry. He has been tweeting out basically four months. Every tweet he's tweeted out has started with a bee to hint at bees coming to 115. Wow, deaths is every time there was a tweet about 114 having bugs. He would talk about bugs in his tweets. Wow, that's so this is actually like confirmed that he sort of yeses. So yeah, because you don't want caught on to it because it's so Random. Yeah, that's genius. He's also the guy that fought to bring Brown mushroom Palace the game. Okay, and they were like, oh no brown mushrooms aren't coming. He just kind of mentioned something about it that they're not in the game and sure enough there in the game. So I think we should be keeping an eye on Cory's Twitter a little bit harder. Well, it sounds like the pants. They I'm not sure I can check if we getting better pants in Minecraft. I'm curious though ghost if he is like that's that's some level of I'm gonna say genius. Hmm, if he's dead clever, he's gonna know that people will get you into this. So age it yeah, or he's gonna wait just a while or something. He must be clever enough to sort of not make him predictable. Yeah, which is interesting. But yeah, we should definitely keep an eye out for him. So let's go ahead and move on to listener comments. We don't have any Lister comments this week. We kind of have host comments. We hit a thousand listens this week. Yeah, that's insane. Well, I'm an average of 62 listeners her podcast. Hmm, which is crazy in itself, but a thousand listens. Yeah, that's It's like a hundred a week. Yeah, so thank you guys so much for listening to us multiple times. It seems pretty sure that's listening to half of it and then coming back later and finishing it out. It could be it for sure. Yeah. I mean it is our so I can imagine you like an hour was a long stretch. Yeah, probably listening to us on the way to work and listening to us on the way home from work. Yeah. But that's awesome man. That's how agent. Yeah, so those of you who have been listening and have enjoyed the Discord, please join the Discord. I'm gonna just throw that in there like I do every week if you join the Discord I promised to post more pics of my dog Suzy as a way to appease your fluffiness for going to this court. Everybody wants dog pictures. We can disarm our own stuff. Also didn't this has been an idea that's been in my head for a while, but I honestly never thought the podcast would take off like it has hmm. So there's always been talks of maybe doing a secondary podcast. And I'm thinking if we hit a hundred listeners average that we might go ahead and introduce this somehow. I'm not sure how we'll do it but it would be a secondary podcast where we literally just talk about random stuff. It's not going to be scripted. It's not going to just pertain to Minecraft you guys kind of like when we go off on tangents. So the entire podcast will just be a random tangent about whatever's on her mind at that point. Yeah, I probably won't last as long either no probably not but it will also be well will not be paying at my attention to how we phrase things. I guess. Yeah, so Tina and up more than likely. Cars finger will not be on the mute button that there won't be a mute or a beep or anything. No, and we might end up just bringing random people in the chat it like if you're in the Discord and you want to talk random stuff with us, we might just bring you in to talk during that podcast. Execute Vanya. Yeah, yes stuff like that. So thank you guys again so much for thousand listens 62 average listeners. Don't forget. We have a Discord a lot of different countries as well. Oh, yes, I think is really cool. Yeah. We're everywhere guys. Yeah worldwide. Hmm. But I think it's definitely time to talk about the main topic these we did was even more zombies. We didn't even script that. Well, we already script anything anyway, but we almost said it at the same time. If you guys could see the notes we take like my notes are very much one to two words the sentence and they're just kind of quick this this this this to the point where Bancos what the heck are you talking about? Well, mine are extremely short. This week as well because I'm yeah, but you can't type. That's why well, I mean I can type it it's with left. So it's really slow and tedious like the one finger hitting a key which is yeah brings me back was like 20 years. That's why you should be like me who has always had the hybrid one finger. Look at the keyboard, but can use four fingers thing. Oh, right, but then again I've broken nine out of ten fingers, so I'm used to that Throne of use a whole hand. I mean, I'm quite handy with my left hand and I'm getting more Handy by today but typing is just it slow. Yeah, so yeah, that's go to the topic, please. So I'll start with saying all the different kind of like be things so they have bee nests and beehives bees nests are obviously naturally spawning. The bees will go find flowers do a little dance on top of the flower get covered in pollen and then the be texture will change when they're covered in pollen and then they'll fly back to The Beehive go into the Beehive a certain amount of ticks. I can't remember how many ticks right They come out and do it again. Now, you're going to have a lot of bees going in and out of the same thing. And once the hive gets to level 5 or that was yet level five things of Honey or whatever. I think you can share it to get a honeycomb. Okay, which you can use to craft beehives now there is a thing where you can put a campfire underneath it to keep the bees calm because the bees can a grow and they will Ting you and it will hurt and it will kill the be so shame on you for killing these and that going be groups right there. Yeah. I remember that right? Yeah. Yeah, they have the hive mind like the pigment right? I like it messy. That's yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a good joke. Yeah, and one going to Sting the moves, isn't it? Yeah, it really will be so the bee stings you the actual texture on the be will change toward the sea. Here Is Gone hmm and it'll kind of float around for a 60 seconds I think and then die and not drop anything so basically you lost your chance for some honey Oh, that's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah, so you want to be nice to the bees it's worth it to be too. Sure. I also remember reading that when you when you have a flower in your hand, they will follow you. Yeah, I kind of like that. I think that's cool. I think it's cool to so you have a hive now hmm The Hive when it gets to a certain levels will change. Just like the nest will like I think it's five levels or honey, the texture changes to let you know it's full of honey. And then you can make I don't know if you have to like get honeycomb out of it and then convert it to a honey bottle but the new dispenser functionality. We talked about earlier a dispenser can fill a bottle with honey and water at the same at the same time, but it can do water also. Mmm, so the game is kind of treating Funny like a liquid which it should. Would ya under cool? I mean the same time everyone's like oh my God, this is an awesome. New Redstone thing potion brewing is going to be amazing now fully automatic and I go no, we still have to have craftable dolls and get all the materials. Can you craft bottles yet? I don't think you can craft bottles. I think you still have to do a which Farm to get a ton of bottles. Now, you can craft bulldoze you can yeah, it's like three gloss in a v-shape what I think that's how you like this long as I've been playing Minecraft Carl cut this out. I totally knew that there were glass bottles that could be crafted. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you making me doubt. No, but I'm pretty sure I've always liked cross the bulldoze. No, I'm sure I can't remember. It's been so long and every season there's a giant which Farm within the first month and I've never had to craft bottles. Also potion Siffredi like damn. Oh, yeah. Nobody really needs potions. Well fire resistance may be a bit Yeah, but I literally use maybe ten potions. Season yeah, if you even make that right, the only time I make more would probably be the last common Craft season where I had to drain a ton of water. Yeah for foregoing a load of little bottle or it's nice you get like night vision and what a breeding and stuff but now you can just set up one of those stupid water Beacon things. That is yeah. I'm heart of the sea right know. I don't know. I can't believe I can't remember that conduit cheese. Yeah rain fart, man. I could not think of the word to save my life. That's all right, we get that sometimes yeah both gasp every time required. We're forgetting words and yep tangent again. Yeah, so okay the dispenser filling bottles with water and honey water. I don't think it's a big deal. I don't I don't find it too practical. I'm sure there will be a redstone Contraption for it. That will be practical one day. But with this being the first snapshot I haven't seen anything to makes me go. Yay now filling a honey. I've seen that in the Farms so far. I'm good with it. I think it's cool also dispensers. They kind of shear sheep now, right? Hmm. They can Shear be nest and hives also yeah. Yeah, it's I mean, it's nice if they don't add anything more which I mean, this is just one really small thing. I'm assuming for 1.15. If I don't add more discs are to me is just to mechanics two or more items. Yeah, I don't see much use for it yet. But I hope they change has the same way. Shooting does it like how does it work when you have a full boob ocean and you use it in a dispenser or so, does it throw it or something? That could be a ghastly might already dispensers. I've already done that. Yeah. Wow, we're really showing on Minecraft no likes this episode. Yeah, it just shows the Lesser known or used features in my yeah, I mean to be fair. How much would you use a potion on the dispenser at the same time? Yeah, the only time I've seen that is when people use dogs for skeleton Grinders. All right, I need to heal the dogs because the skeletons have thorns on them fair enough. Yeah, okay. So what I like about bees, yeah. It's another ambient mob which we needed for forever. So I'm super excited that we get an ambient mob and it's not textured like a zombie. Yeah, it's not a zombie. That's for sure. I kind of like how its I mean, they're kind of big for being a bee I guess but that's not yet many tiny animals around which I kinda like. I'm not like everybody is an ambient mob like it's not right in your face. It's well. It is I've seen some videos where like the bees are in the background. Mmm, and it's very cool to see something moving around. Yeah, and it you can tell it's not a hostile mob just from the way it moves and stuff like that. So that's really cool and it flies which deafening I didn't think we were going to get I'd never thought we were going to get a flying. Passive mob just because I thought it was too much for him. I mean you look at parrots right fly they just kind of chill there. And then everyone's while they flap and hover. Yeah, they yeah they over but I mean the Vex estate they do really fly. Yeah, I do gotta guess defend those a little bit and then defend well, I think the Phantom slide that well they did their bit weird. Yeah. It's kind of spinning spinning spinning dive-bomb fly right up to the Top Spin. Spin spin - yeah, they just loop around a little bit. I yeah sure if that's flying. So I yeah, that's really cool that they have a flying a flying mop. I'm curious on what biome they will be. I don't think they really specified so far. It's any forest biome. Okay. Okay. I thought maybe plane to work definitely flower forwards for so obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Nice because I mean most forests. Our kind of empty they yeah even finding sheep or cows just because of all the trees generally sort of tricky. Yeah. So yeah that'll definitely add to to having a bit more of a lively Forest it really will. I'm super excited for this. Yeah same here. I like that. That's really cool. Another thing I like is honey is a new food source. Yeah, so I don't I can't remember what exactly the meat chunks it gives you but I do know it's one of the highest saturation I think game. I think it gave you six meetings, which is like three if you look in your bar, like for some reason they go of one. So it's the same as chicken basically, right? But I think it's one of the Higher saturations in the game. Oh, no problem is you can't stack honey jars. Mmm. So it immediately goes down there with Stu as useless it kinda yeah. Well also because it's already know. Well you said for saturation, that was really good. Yes, very good. Hmm. Well that defense it a bit. But yeah, if you can't stack it, it's right stop. Yeah, you can't carry that amount of right but which brings me to one thing? I don't like is honey feels wasted. So to me instead of honey. Just being a standalone food. I think you should be able to combine the honey with other food. So let's say you have a raw piece of chicken or a raw pork chop or even a raw steak. You craft the honey with The wrong thing you get like a honey-glazed raw meat and you throw that in the furnace you cook it and now you get a chicken or a pork chop or a steak with the saturation level of plus honey. You said firmus? I think this might be an awesome opportunity to to include a smoker gunfire. Or campfire like you have gunfire put your meat on there. And then you have to sort of broke the honey on it by throwing your potion on it or just putting it in there Revenant or smoke or something. I think that could be a nice way of I don't know just make it real life lie. It would bring the food cooking part of campfires to more in-game than beginning game. Yeah. Yeah that too. It's like a sort of next kind of level cooking like it's beyond the furnace and Beyond the smoke or maybe yeah sure also, I mean, this is just like first snapshot of a of an update. They said they wouldn't even put any news out. So I'm gonna I mean there's a lot of opportunity for them to still add combinations of food like you want. Yeah for sure. This is like you said is the very first snapshot hmm. We have to take everything we have with a grain of salt because obviously Things Are Gonna Change. Yeah, but I'm I'm with you. I hope they they're going to use the horny for something more than just another sort of Welsh Jus. Like you said, it's yeah, let me guess you can convert honey to sugar. But we already have a way to get sugar that's easier and sugar cane yes sugar cane is so ridiculously easy that yeah. Yeah, so I wouldn't I wouldn't take all the time. Thanks phone. Geez - is that a big man? I gotta know what it was. Oh, it was red it saying. Hey read me some more so wasn't even useful. It wasn't even useful. Nice. Okay. So we've talked about what I've liked what I don't like. Hmm. Let's talk about what 115 may bring now. This is literally just me hypothesizing rice taking random shots in the dark. You guys don't take anything I say as Doug said, it's the truth. We're getting Red Dragons. Because we're that was the first thing you were gonna mention. Yeah, one point testing will have Red Dragons that's confirmed it you all heard it. I didn't know where to fit Red Dragons in this thing. And I said, I would talk about them once every podcast. So yeah moving on I'm gonna call the 115 update the Ambiance update. Okay. I said it fancy like that. I even put my pinky in the air you guys couldn't see that. Are you hurt? No, you heard the pinky and the Are definitely so yeah, I think this is going to be a very big detail update. I have a feeling we're going to see things like candles bookshelves that actually work we could put books in maybe Furniture. I'm going big this update. These were a huge thing and they just threw it out there for the first snapshot. I don't think so. I think they got way more figured out data packs allow them to do so much little cool stuff. Yeah, that stuff like Furniture has been in datapacks 24 hours after they release. Hey data packs are things now. It's super easy. I think they're going to be in the game. And I think it's going to be awesome candles this one. I heard a lot which makes sense ghosts are gonna add wax. I believe I've been thinking like, what do you use wax for and real life and to be honest Beyond candles and maybe mold? Making I couldn't think of marks much. I don't think they'll add Molt's into the game. No, so yeah candles I think is is a it's a good chance. Yeah. Well imagine so you have wax and you have string so you can make a candle. What if candles were like, was it C pickles? I'm not sure. Well UFC pickles. Yeah. Yeah, it will see pickles are just light underwater. What if I can will just light above water. Yeah. Yeah, I so they're using the shape of the sea pickle just different texture. Obviously Mmm Yeah, it would be nice if they worked like sort of differently than a candle light or a torch. Maybe you put more candles on top of each other and it creates a different candle holder thing. Yeah after the exact see pickle mechanism or you just sort of Candles and they could also make that look really nice. I generally like the look of candles especially when they're all sort of molten together and stuff. Maybe that's just me being weird, but I kind of like that and also we know in 1.15 actually for sure that they're going to add functionality to I believe this meeting table and one other one. I want to say Fletching table, but that might already have I heard that before but I think I may have backpedaled on that our that could be the case. Yeah, because everyone kept their saying well, it's a combat updates combat update. They're like, no. This is not a combat update. So they may have backpedaled. You may be right. It still may be a thing. I'm not sure but I haven't heard any more of that talk period they promised it so long time ago that they might have already pretty much had it ready if that's the case. That's sure that's hope they just added. If not, I mean, it's not the biggest thing. I don't I mean if they don't add functionality to this meeting table, I'm okay with that. Well think about it smithing table you do armor and weapons and all that kind of stuff. But what if it's what allows you to make bookshelves and chairs and candles? I'd be confused why you'll know smithing table. She's more like a workbench kind of thing. But yeah, I mean, that could be cool. Yeah, maybe / don't know do we want to defy the crafting more? Nobly don't maybe I already did that. So a little bit. Yeah, I thought yes. Oh, yeah for wax till I have one more. Oh, let's hear it. So this goes All the way back to like fifth grade for me, right? So think of tiny toddler Duds not very big just learning about the world and I lived in Florida at the time and I had a friend who is learning how to surf at a very young age. Obviously. Oh he had a bar of wax, right? I remember this being the first time I saw wax in like a pure form right heat would run the wax on the bottom of his shoes. Shoes and then slide across the picnic table. There's some kind of Tony Hawk genius. So what if you can add wax two blocks and it now makes them non-sticky to slime blocks or you can add wax two blocks and make it where you can travel faster without having to use ice. Ooh. So basically you would sort of making a sticky piston, but you could do that with any block and then it would just be Make something with slide past it. Yeah, so you have an address a block component with wax? Yeah that gives you a waxed and a sight block. Oh, that's really nothing can stick to it. And when you run across it you go faster like you do ice. Hmm when you were talking that you being a little kid. I thought maybe crayons they kind of make those out of wax. Yeah. Yeah, my dad had these so to my my first encounter with like these and wax was yeah. No, please. Yeah, I like to be so I think they'll be great. I'm really looking forward to the well, I thought they were called the boxes but Dives the once you can craft. Yeah, I'd be boxes would be amazing decoy would go nuts. Did I miss a pan there? Bee boxes. It's like the b-boy buh-byes. Yeah. I did. This happen beat ya be boxes would be yeah decoy would be all over that. But the highest yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I think that'll she'll be cool. They will increase like the ambience and making a garden or just decorating the area around places so much more. Well, I don't forget like if you look at the hive texture, it really looks like one of those boxes Get that holds files and stuff. Right? So detail inside of buildings and stuff could be really cool with that. Also. Yeah that to it could just be a regular good decoration block and do they always have peace to you know, like can you place them without out putting these basically I know if so, if you soak touch a hive or an S with bees in it, right the bees will stay in it, okay. If you break it with the bees out of it, they obviously get mad at you and try to kill you make sense. Yeah, so I don't really know if knees will be automatically drawn to it, or maybe you have to lure them with a flower to the new home. Yeah. Well, we also wait and see I will be nice. If you have an option to do not have them with these it was like you said that you could just use them as a decoration. Yeah, even if that's not the case, I think it'll be great for just decorating around around the house. Let's call it that yeah, I do too. Yeah, I think I really like this hopefully small snippet of 115. Hmm. Yeah, I thought they would go for a different name for the update. They sort of used the phrase into the wild. I get a little bit awkwardly in my opinion. Maybe I'm just bad at English. I thought that might have been a hint to to what there were going for. I guess it would be sort of close to it. You like I guess the the core of what they would put in it is basically the same I don't know into the wild sounded catchy as well. But yeah, I think it'll it'll be probably quite quite a lot of ambient stuff. I do. Hope they redo the food a bit. Like you say, I hope they used our knee and then combined. Other foods to just I hope they do just something with the food make it a bit less simple or something. I do to me honey is such a wasted item to just do sugar and not stack even just stacking. It makes it a useful item again. Well, I'm not even only speaking about honey. I'm including like beetroot switch there that not too long ago, which is I mean, I think you can only make like beetroot soup, which is Well, you don't want to carry that know. Yeah, and there's so many like this too. So I think there are a great idea love that. There are around that they're even pretty good food, but they got to find something with that. I don't know. What if you could do be true with honey, like you do carrots and gold. So now you have a Golden beet root right now if you possum or fake sugar apple Like a turkey shoot trick sugar apple. Oh your Harvest to grow apple and then you bite and it's like be gives you speed boost for two minutes. Oh boy. Yeah, obviously, there will be a little sugar. You'll be jumping around. Yo, that'd be awesome. Huh boy But I think we kind of captured most of of the update and we I think we did. All right. So anyone if you like to show tell everyone and anyone the more people know the better we want more audience Let's Get Set fewer stuff or well listener stuff people don't really watch this. I guess. Yeah. Yeah Shadows on social media and everywhere leave us a rating in a review that really helps out. Join us on the discs. 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Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror plancast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another episode of nightmare on film Street be like I say that differently. Usually I'm John Kim and this week we are talking bed and bunker that didn't make sense. No, it didn't. Nope. Nope. It was good. Okay. Well this week we are talking captive movie. This is also not making sense. Have you guys ever been locked changed to a bed or trapped inside a bunker instead of getting all stand? You like your on Airbnb you're looking for a bed and breakfast you're not really paying attention to the listing and the next thing you know, you've got 1,800 free nights because you're not allowed to leave. It sounds like a good deal the time but then you realize everyone who you love doesn't know you're gonna die underground at the hands of a Madwoman. Whoa, that went some confusing place which of course Course is to say we are talking about Rob Reiner, 's misery and Dan Trachtenberg 10 Cloverfield lane two, very different, but all together similar captive capped or movies and episode. We're calling bed and bunker. Good job. John brought it round pretty similar premises you have isolation. You have a not altogether saying villain and some interesting. I'd elements. We gotta perhaps a hammer perhaps some aliens, but you know what, you know what I just realized saves both of our main characters in each of these movies creativity art expression resourcefulness. I would say I think it's all resourceful. But yeah just cunning before we get into it though Kim. What is keeping you creepy this week. Well us came out just this past weekend. So I don't know if you saw it on the weekend judged by those box office numbers. You probably did I'm getting and of annoyed of saying Jordan peels us because it's like hey you seen us recently or did you see us this weekend? Like no, we haven't hung out in months like none of the movie It's A Hard title. It's a really hard title to a purpose to describe. Yeah. That might be it, right. Yeah us like that's not a title for a film a title for anything except for the movie that we're about to talk about us. I'll go first. I didn't love it as much as I thought I would yeah. I need to see it again. I'm still kind of Hang on it. I think everybody had really high expectations for this one and there were a lot of emotions in kind of like wanting something out of it and what we were going to expect from it and I just I don't know. I was kind of just a little not wowed. It's got some really great performances and some really creepy characters and I love everybody involved The Duality of the roles that they're playing. It's really fun to watch. It's really interesting to see them get into the two different characters that They all have to play which I love but the story didn't engage me as much as I was expecting and the trailer was really well cut really selling this as a traditional horror film and and I found the trailer varies genuinely scary. So I was expecting the film in turn to be more traditional horror and very scary. Also, Jordan Peele himself has said that this is more of a straight horror film than get out was and I always found get out to be a whore. Chloe so I was expecting a lot different than I didn't find this movie. Scary. Yeah, and normally I don't say that about horror films. I'm normally not on the camp that horror needs to be scary. But I was really anticipating something spooky out of the US characters and they delivered a lot of their trailer moments, but not much else for me. Yeah, especially given the the like how creepy they look mmm. I was really expecting this movie to get under my skin. In more and just like make me feel uncomfortable. Yeah and like it did sure it did in a few moments but not nearly as much as it promised and like that's fine. Whatever cool it is very effective for a lot of other people. I am seeing no shortage of people saying it's the scariest movie they've ever seen and that's great. That's awesome. That means more people are going to go check it out in the theater and I'm happy for that. But Supernatural stories are definitely really good for telling other stories like It is a great way to build a metaphor and love it so much in this one and I really wanted to like this movie is my big problem. I want that whole third act to be another movie. I don't know that I I really wanted to know what was going on with those characters and when I got it, I felt like I should have got it a lot earlier. It's really hard. I'm trying to like, obviously we don't want to spoil anything because it's a pretty good chance you haven't Seen it yet, but it's definitely worth checking out. I'm also looking forward to seeing it again, you know, maybe now that the the hype is gone and we can just sort of watch it without any sort of expectations. Maybe it's building a better story than we know like, maybe we maybe it really needs a second watch to sink in. Yeah, and there is something to be said to about movies that make film fans and genre fans talk and discuss things totally. I can always appreciate that about a film when they leave you with themes and ideas to chew on and what this means and what that means. So this film definitely has a lot of that there is a lot under the surface and whether or not I agree that it was done the most like seamless or eloquent way. There's still so much about this movie that I haven't quite figured out and that is great. That's that's awesome. Yeah, if you do want to chat about the film more Hillary and you're looking for somebody to talk to about it. We do have a spoiler thread going in the Facebook fiends group. That's at facebook.com slash groups such horror films of n ofs. You can get a spoiler as you want there. And if you want to know John and my uncensored opinions and and here s really get into the different plot points of the movie and and such we did a full patreon exclusive episode that dropped just last weekend. So that's at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street speaking of patreon. Before we get started. 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If you have not checked it out at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street. That's enough chitchat. Let's get into the movies. Let's talk 10, Cloverfield Lane. Something's coming. Directed by Dan Trachtenberg, and I probably said that name wrong 10 Cloverfield Lane is currently sitting at a 7 point 2 out of 10 on IMDb and ninety percent on Rotten Tomatoes ryota for from Roger Ebert.com and 3.6 out of five on letterboxed also has the greatest horror movie trailer ever made. It is so good. It is the best horror movie trailer. Yeah, the music and the cutting and John Goodman dancing at the record play the Jukebox gearbox so good. I watch that trailer occasionally like I can't see I watch that movie all the time. I don't put it on every weekend like every Sunday morning with my coffee. Hmm Emery's but but yeah occasionally when I feel like listening to I Think We're Alone Now by Brandt no, no. No, what's the name? Isn't it Tiffany Tiffany? There we go version in the movie isn't Tiffany's like that original. Whatever is version. I don't know. It's like a doo-wop e era. It's probably the something's sure. There was like a template for making your band name and if it wasn't just like you and the like Jimmy and that's yeah, it was just the something's and nothing's really changed. But when I feel it wasn't even that song I will occasionally just put on the trailer for this movie and then I'm like kind of bummed that there isn't like a creepy remix version that I can listen to like a two-and-a-half minute version where they could really wants down into something. So I remember being so happy in the theater when it was in the movie because the the trailer with the Had got us so pumped. Yeah, and then when it was actually in the film, it's just like yeah, this is what we came for Danny wait for the end credits. Walk right out so full disclosure. This film was actually my number one pick for 2016. It was my favorite horror film of 2016. I don't remember where you had it because I think you do you remember what your ranking was? Nope? I don't really remember much of that list at all. Oh well trained to Busan. I think was your know right? Yeah, it was a good year. Hmm. I only remember because I make fun of you for saying that you don't like zombie films and then every year you put zombie films on your top 10, like right in the top-right trying to loosen one kind of the Dead Overlord always. Yep, because that honestly if I could find a zombie movie that surprises me that I like it kind of immediately gets a bump. That's true and there has been some really good zombie movies lately 10 Cloverfield Lane not one of them. You know what I don't even know if it appeared was it I think if it wasn't it. Was on my list. I don't think it was very high because I like that first time that I saw this love the end of it. I don't really know why. Yeah, I don't know why either but you know, that is the most common complaint though. I hear when you know, I'm raving about this movie on the internet and people are like, well the ending it feels but you know, this wasn't originally Cloverfield movie and I'm just like fingers in my ears and dance on by cares what movie it wasn't talked about the movie that it is every story had a first draft rights. Exactly. Although I would argue that transition did not necessarily work out for God Particle, but that isn't the film that we are speaking about today. So let's talk Cloverfield lays. I'm kind of a sucker for great title sequences and title cards. This movie's got one of the best ones and like and it's so simple there's nothing to it. But Mary Elizabeth Winstead Michelle is packing up her house. She's clearly leaving her fiance. She's left a ring on the table. She's The few essentials including a bottle of scotch and she's F the fucking door, but she gets run off the road and as as her car is careening and the camera is inside with her and it's just chaos and we're flipping around. It's just like cuts to silence and a black screen. It's like Bad Robot presents and then like back to more chaos and tinkle over or just Cloverfield is what it says just as Cloverfield and then the elves slowly extend to 10 Cloverfield Lane. Oh man. Yeah, and that's the exact same design that they used for the poster. Do you remember? We good posters insane reality have this like gigantic. Yeah. Well, it's like An Elevator Shaft down to a bunker in the basement. It's a really cool shots with that later in the film. Mmm. So Michelle wakes up. She is chained to a pipe on a cement floor with a tiny flat mattress, and she realizes she is now the captive of John Goodman's character in case you were curious what the theme of this episode 1 We're gonna say captor and captive a lot. We're gonna say like it's bolded. Yeah, John Goodman's character Howard. Who is this socially strange very uptight frigid controlled silly person if the best how else could you describe him? The guy's definitely got some sort of accessory roll issues. Yes. I'm obsessive compulsive disorder. He doesn't like people touching. I don't think it's necessarily like a possessive thing. I don't it's that he doesn't want Emmett the other well, I think it's a puzzle. I think that's part of it. I think it's a possessive thing. Like that's what I think is really good about this movie like John Goodman, especially like a lot of the quirks of the characters really sort of helped underline their wants mmm. I think this movie had we have not gone with the captor captive theme we could have paired it with creep Patrick Bryson. Mark duplass has film because of the that Underline unsettling feeling you get with Harold's character because scene to see in a moment to moment and line of dialogue to line of dialogue. It could go either fucking way. It's a really good point. You know what I mean? There's just an unsettling are around him that this this film isn't subtle like the creep films but it nails that unease and the things that you can pick up in human nature like with human connection and human interaction. Yeah. Yeah. He is such a strange character because what's interesting too is that they are trapped in a bunker and you know, if they were just in an apartment or a house I everything about how this guy acts what he says how he operates screams get the fuck out of there when you literally can't like but there's there's moments in the film where you you feel like you've misunderstood him. Oh you feel guilty like Mary. Maybe he's just got like Asperger's right and he's just not good at He's just a quirky dude, but and he doesn't know how to convey things in a socially accepted way and we've you feel guilty for assuming all these terrible things about him when he's actually just this simple decent human being. Yeah, like the way he talks is crazy unless the end of the world has happened and it's not like he's going to change how he speaks or how he interacts with people once the world has ended. So at some point you have to understand whether or not like maybe he's actually a out of the goodness of his heart trying to save some people as he's going to as he's going down into his bunker. Mmm, or he's just fucking nuts, right? So I don't know if we've if it's come up much on the podcast because I don't know if we've done a lot of John Goodman films, but he is down is this the first one? I don't know. We haven't done we have to do red State one time because I think thats dark enough to we could we could we could do like comedians turn tour or something. That's not bad or we could just do like the dark films of Kevin Smith guy. Arachnophobia at some point. Oh, yeah, isn't that that's true. But what I was going to say is John Goodman is definitely one of my favorite actors of all time, right? He is so good in everything everything that he's in it's crazy that this guy hasn't been nominated for an Oscar. It is crazy. It's insane and he got nominated I think one right a Golden Globe for our go. I don't know why he didn't get nominated the Academy Awards just saying guys. All right, wasn't he has to have been nominated. And my cursory look on I have to be I said nothing. Yeah, he is. He's one of the greatest actors of all time. It's a shame that he doesn't get like leading-man roles, but there has never been a movie that says and and also starring John Goodman that I haven't said I'm watching that movie tonight guys, amazing and everything. He's in that said though, and this is true, but a lot of capture movies in fact both movies that we are talking about today. I don't understand why either of these people think that when they wake up from Unconscious after a car accident after any accident and they're stuck in an unfamiliar place that they're just gonna willfully take pills from you like here take these. It'll make you feel better. Like no, thank you. Sorry and then there's so little little little gratitude would be nice. Like I have no fucking idea who you are where I am. Like I have no memory of you rescuing me, so I can't say thank you so much sir. Um, I I get what you're saying. I would be hesitant, but you did you take those pills. Eels in the sense of misery I would have in 10 Cloverfield Lane. I probably would not have yeah, but depends on how much pain you're in if you're in like level 10 frowny face pointing at the doctor's office pain, you might take anything anybody gives you I would have eaten his ice cream. I would have taken that ice cream. Not at that moment. I might have well, it's been a rough day guys. It's so sad thing. I need this. Yeah, I do like so let's talk about some of the Out of this movie because we are just talking about John Goodman being a creep a wonderful creaking. Oh man. He's such a good grief. It's like the best creep there is okay. So yeah, Mary Mary Elizabeth Winstead Michelle wakes up in a bunker Howard explains to her that she was in an accident that he's rescued her and that there is somebody else in the bunker as well whose name is MH the three of them as far as they know are three of some of the only survivors left in what was an apocalyptic attack. Don't know if it's chemical don't know if it's nuclear. All we know is that the bunker is safe and the air outside is poison. Yeah, and of course Mary Elizabeth Winstead, I don't know why we have to keep saying all her full name, right? Hey Michelle, fortunately Michelle is well, you know, it makes sense. She is rightfully. So kind of questioning this strange and quirky man that's holding her hostage. And so he allows her to go up to the entrance of the bunker to take a look at like Frank and Adore and somebody yeah, the his resident pigs who died by mysterious are poisoning and we see and so does Michelle that they are definitely dead and rotting. Yeah, and so back down to the bunker we go. Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take that as evidence. I would have I would be like so he could have just as easily. Yeah, but I think Emmett to add some credibility. To his story and it really does because he also says that he saw it and he helped build it. Oh, yeah, that's right. He did help build like he helps vouch for Harold in a way like, oh Harold just is who he is. He's always been like that Howard Howard is how he is. He's always calm Harry. He's always been like that and he adds some sort of like, oh, this is just how this man has always been he's not this like crazy recluse. There's there's neighborhood people who know of him. Yeah. They just don't happen to know about the bunker and because I helped build a Exactly. I knew that this was the one safe place that there would be in the event of this this attack. He describes it as seeing a gigantic gigantic red flash like of biblical proportions unlike anything he's ever seen and he just immediately rushed over to Howard's place. The only question I have because later we're told that Howard it Howard admits that he is the one who ran Michelle off the road, which I think we all figure that out anyway, but it was an accident because the attack had happened. Happened. He was trying to get back to his bunker. He was frantic. He wasn't paying attention and he but you know because he knew that this was his fault. He stopped to help her out bring her to the bunker. So she's safe and everything. How comes she didn't see the flesh because the flash that Eminence talking about was the attack so I'm just saying there's some timeline issues there. Um, do you think that they're what do you think what he's saying is actually true or do you think he saw her at the gas station at the beginning of the movie was like I'm gonna take her in my bunker. Yeah, and then the attack Happened at some point convenient either after her car was off the road or what have you? Yeah, timeline-wise. It was probably like run this girl off the road because I want her and then as he's getting her out of her car and up to the truck bang flash goes off like oh my God, we've got bigger things to deal with but at least I've got a really good excuse of why I can keep her dad like the lies that I fed every other girl that I've kidnapped is now actually going to be true. Unfortunately a man forces his way in and he stuck with somebody. Else it's kind of ruin his plans. Yeah, but they that that does leave me to like a big thing that I wrote down in my notebook here. It's a the chicken or the egg thing. Do you think he built the bunker because of the paranoia and it just so happens to be a nice place that he can bring girls. He wants to kidnap its or do you think he always wanted to kidnap girls and that's what fed into this quote-unquote paranoia of the end time. So, I need a bunker hmm how I always pictured. Howard's story is that so Emmett confirms that he does have a wife and daughter and that they live in Chicago or whatever like they've left him but that could just be what now? I know. I know I'm just telling you how I experienced the thrill so I believe that his wife and daughter left him and that in his loneliness or whatever that spawned from that he kidnapped that local girl and started calling her Megan but there's definitely some weird Central stuff with it. So I don't I think he's trying to replace like a A lack of familial love so I think the bunker was like a convenient like, oh I can just keep her here and make her my family. Oh, you know what? It's because this girl can be the daughter I care for and when I need it the wife, yeah in one girl you easier to control one girl. My shoe. Why did you have a revelation with that? I was just like let's not go there. Well, I mean, I was also thinking about the the board game scene where they're playing I think password is what it is. Yes, that is the greatest scene. Whole fucking movie. Well, it's for to resurface level. Yeah, because they're up to no good and we think that that Howard has found out what's going on, but also to because he doesn't know the word like the word woman doesn't come to him. He that's it's how he's categorized Michelle share. Yeah. Yeah. He does not see her as anything other than a little princess a girl like heat that those that's all the only words that come to mind for him. He cannot conceive of her as a woman. That is enough. It seemed like just crazy because she is the most resourceful macgyvering Nancy Drew that ever walked inside a bunker right from moment one. She does not stop trying to escape. I mean like there's there maybe a little bit in the Middle where she realizes that maybe there's something to what Howard is saying, but she does not stop she does her character is do not wait around waiting is pointless and I think they even exemplify that in the beginning when she whittles down her crutch to a point. She's gonna stab Howard but she gets bored of standing around and waiting for him to come in. So she put some of her clothes in the vent lights it on fire. So the smoke detector will go off and then he'll come in like she's constantly trying to speed up how fast she can get out of that bunker. There is no matter how dark it gets in there or how Grim or how dangerous it is to do what she's doing. She does not stop trying to escape. Hmm and you know first time watching this it's really rewarding seeing all of those scenes because everything that's presented in this film every every tool that the camera looks at her every object that the camera looks at becomes part of the plot and almost like an M Night Shyamalan way. Yeah. It's all tools for Michelle to use to ultimately survive one being held captive and to the Cloverfield part of the story. Yeah. So yeah, but I do want to criticize the film in that in that sense. That although it is rewarding on like a entertaining movie watching level. I think the perfect Seamless way everything rounds up in a nice little bow at the end makes this a little less than perfect because the film is too pristine. Okay, like it's it's it's unrealistic everything and I understand we're talking about a movie with aliens and I can die captive who's holding people want a bunker. Like I know that in itself is not a realistic premise, but they did a really great job of taking this Sensational story about insane improbable events, and they They made really well-rounded characters, but it's almost too perfectly set up. Like, you know a video game the olden Time video games when you would walk into a room and you knew all the items, you could enter because there they would glow a little they had a different amount of like pixelization or like when you're watching Scooby-Doo or Bugs Bunny and how you knew what was backdrop and what was going to be interaction within the scene because the backdrop was really painterly and everything else was just comic colored or it's like one tone color this movie is like that The girl that Howard happened to of kidnapped was also wearing the earrings that she was wearing when she was kid when she was kidnapped and attacked in the bunker to leave the same earring that was in the photograph and she wrote help me and her hand was bleeding at the time that she wrote it and there's blood on the earring and oh that she had the bottle of alcohol in the back of the truck which happens to be able to make a malt off cocktail when she has no other mean I love that everything. I know but it's great and it's a fun upon first and second one. Watch as a moviegoer. It's super entertaining and that like kick like shoot him up kind of way. Yeah, but when you're watching it a third or a fourth timers like this is just a little too. Perfect. I think it makes for a tight script that I think it makes it with some very tight script and I'm saying it's good and it's good on the first watch but it takes it away from being realistic. Everything just happens to work out for this character and he's really profound ways that she would have died but it's because well, it's okay. I'm not gonna do what is that? Multi cocktail didn't make it in that thing's mouth. Like game over game fucking over. Hey, I mean a lot of people would have said game fucking over whether or not they knew that cocktail was in the back seat. Anyway, right like she was just like I got to fucking try cuz why the fuck not and you're right. Yeah. Sure like Against All Odds she got out but I mean, but it's Against All Odds Against All Odds Against All Odds Against All Odds. Yeah. I thought one of the things you're going to complain about was the was it like the CO2? Canister that he uses to to freeze the alcohol for disinfecting that she also uses lighter to break a lock and Rings told her like go back when I was in the Navy. We you know, if the CEO was being a jerk we used to freeze the lock while he was in the bathroom door and break it off. I thought that was great because she remembers that story. It's just a fun little anecdote in a scene where you're realizing that you know, maybe Howard's not as bad as we think he is but she uses that and retains it and keeps it for later on when she needs to escape also that escape I think is Positive that his plan was always to build the bunker to kidnap girls because just has the acid on hand. Well thought that he had all that acid right then we'll get back to that know where she freezes the lock breaks the lock and that's the escape hatch that she's able to get out of it is not it's nothing like the airtight seal that he has at the opening. Mmm. Like there is there's nothing about that little hatch that says, oh this is going to keep A pout all Airborne pathogens like doesn't have a double wall or anything yet doesn't have anything like I understand that it's essentially where the air filtration system is. So, I mean like we need fresh air to be pulled in but it's definitely not the kind of setup. You would expect to see for somebody who is going like the whole nine yards on making a absolute an absolute like nuclear bomb safe bunker. Hmm. That's interesting. I think the acid is a giveaway. Yes help of a see at some is a pretty good give away that you are. Hang on killing people and hiding them because why does he need it when he was initially going into that bunker alone and it wasn't supposed to be there. So what he says, yeah, she was gonna wind up in that bucket acid in the bucket of acid. Oh, yeah, don't you think that's how he got rid of Megan? Yeah, but I think so I the problem is is we don't really necessarily know his Mo because he doesn't fully get revealed to us like the dark side of him. It's all insinuated from like that photo and how Megan could have died is Maybe She almost escaped or something like she did something where she died as an accident and she attacked him and he was defending himself and she because I just don't see him killing her. I don't see him killing Michelle either like I see him as like getting slashed and throwing her in timeout before getting before killing back. Yeah, but Megan exists in a world where there was. No apocalypse, and she doesn't exist. Now she just Disappears. Nobody knows what happened to her. So no matter what we don't know. He has killed her. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah do we don't I just don't think we know how that all went down. I see him as wanting to keep a companion. Do you think he uses the end of the world line on Megan? Like do you think he was like I saved you it's okay and of the world we can't go I'm just gonna leave my bunker for a little bit. Well, I think he's just maybe he just never left the bunker. Oh, like let's say he's not independently wealthy, but let's say he owns his own. Own house. He's got a bank account set up for his property taxes and whatnot throughout the year. He's got an accountant that handles that but you know, if you own everything like you've paid off everything that you own and you have enough food for however many years. You don't need to leave the bunker. You don't need to leave the bunker. Yeah. I didn't think of that. So I I would imagine he's done that with Megan or alternatively. Yeah, he would occasionally he would leave for work and come home and Megan would still be locked in the bunker. That's interesting. We'll have to Corner the screenwriters. If We Ever Meet that it could even be that tell me about Megan. That's how you what happened to Megan. We want answers like TMZ reporters Corbin open the fucking door way. No, I got I wonder if like you hear about like Howie Mandel Howie Mandel's got a problem with germs and apparently he has I've heard has a guest house with that if he has like a cycle that he's going into where he just needs to like be alone. He goes over there and then like debriefs himself comes back. This could be honored percent fake, but I could imagine a world where somebody is in the depths of a vicious cycle where I need to like Howard Hughes needs to lock himself away and in just a movie theater away from everybody until he recuperates and is okay with the idea that germs exist and he can go back out in the real world. Maybe that's something that Howard needs to do. Maybe he gets to conspiracy minded and Just like a the Chemtrails maybe I gotta go underground for a month or two and he just takes a girl with him when he goes. That's really creepy. He's oh what he's doing here isn't yeah, come on, he kills Emmett and then gets dressed up and has a clean shave and like don't worry now that he's gone. He can do whatever we want now. Yeah, that's so creepy after that happen. So after he shoots Emma, which is a huge surprise it comes because Michelle and Emmett have decided that they are going to escape this is after they found the earring. Earring and determined that Howard has killed this girl Megan who's week. He's been saying his daughter all along also because she shows the photo to Eminem. It's like not girl's name isn't Megan. The girl's name is like Louise. I went to high school with her. She disappeared. So Michelle has been fashioning a gas mask and biohazard suit out of an old shower curtain and they've been doing it on the down low, but Howard finds out and when he confronts them with a big giant vat of acid Emmett ends up in it. Oh, yeah, and he cleans up and he then he cleans himself up and he's clean shaven. He's wearing a collared shirt and it's just like finally things are as they are supposed to be and he's so chipper. Yeah, I'll go make dinner. You have your ice cream. Like I am not in the mood to do anything but scream right now that bus ticket right if folded up bus ticket like you can tell it's been opens. Like I almost cried in the theater when we first saw this right. I was like, you can't cry in a sci-fi horror film Umm, fucking loser. It's a human story Kim. It just happens to have some sci-fi horror elements around it had so many folds so many food. He's definitely taking it out like looked at it right like every day. This could have been me. Why didn't I do this? Anyway speaking of seeing it in the theater. I think this was the first movie we saw and like Ultra AVX and I don't even know what that means. Yeah Ultra audio visual experience. I think audio visual experience has gotta be it either. Big screen big sound and and big popcorn could not have been a better movie to attend big popcorn. Okay. It was a great movie to see, you know Dre VX because you would maybe expect to see a Superhero Movie in that kind of setting think it's usually what they're used for superhero movies action movies, but big budgets the calculated use of sound in this movie is so fucking impressive like for instance when the knife goes through that vent the first time when Michelle's trying to do her final big get away. She's got the suit on she's going through the vent because she knows the backup hatch and she's every single one of those knife plunges was like an explosion. Oh so loud and a gun but he shoots into. Yeah. He's screaming the whole time like Michelle because it's faces melted off. Just stay with me. There's so much skin dangling off his hand the determination with the level of he's at a 10. Willow frowny face pain that level of determination is the scariest thing. Just when if I had a really bad paper cut I don't think I could Chase anybody down there but he's arm is group of skin. I think he wants to die with him right like that's explode with me. But yeah, the The Gunshot all of it all of it all of those sequences because the majority of the movie is fairly quiet. We're in a bunker. Her and most of the sounds that we hear are Think We're Alone and I think ruler Nets that's nice and quiet. There doesn't seem to be anyone ran around. Yeah something about it something that sound. Yeah. It really popped in the in the ultra AVX theater and which I mean is is like part of a bigger conversation about the sound design in this movie and I think sound is really how we show perspective in the movie as well. The audio that we hear is is almost always from Megan's ears. Because especially after that gunshot sequence, I think every I think we've seen that in movies enough to expect it, but your ears are ringing and you we are Michelle at this point and we can barely hear Howard talking to her trying to tell her like it's okay. He was gonna hurt us but like sounds slowly comes back into it. We also see it earlier in the movie too when she is what she's first trying to escape after she like Bosch is that bottle on Howard's face and she's finally made her way up to the padlock and just before She gets out. There's a woman there and that woman is screaming at her and it's all super muffled, but it like becomes clearer and clearer and more into Focus as Megan's adrenaline is starting to drop because it starts to the sound starts to suck out as we see Howard going for his keys to open the bottle where he realizes that you know, she has them in her hand, but it helps like get us into her character. So like it's it's her journey. It's her story. It's who were with it. Also, I think especially what you're saying with the when we first see the what the woman at the Door it helps make where they are feel more like a tomb like you can feel the thickness of the walls with how muffled it is it first and you're right the the sound of it moving and changing is like the rush of adrenaline. Yeah, which is so crazy to point out that that can be achieved just through sound alone. Yeah, because I don't know if I noticed that consciously but now that you're saying it I can literally hear it in my mind's ear. Yeah. No, that's okay and at the end of the movie to when we're when she's escaping she's put on her like her her makeshift morgue. Pirate hazmat suit and we don't think it's weird or strange so much because like she needs it to survive, you know, just in case and when we get out most of the audio, it's like inside her helmet and it's just whoever is inside its right. Yeah, like we were right claw stuff. You're like that. That was gross. I'm sorry everybody. But yeah, like we're panicked were frantic and then as she starts to realize that it's just a regular normal day. She takes her helmet off and we can hear birds. Sounds yeah and then bugs and stuff. Yeah, and it's like it's less panicked and then all of a sudden we cut out to a wider shot and we see her in her whole suit, and she looks like a crazy person and like I'm were with her in that moment because that's her realization. I just I just love is in 10 seconds later. It's like no there's aliens. Oh, yeah, by the way, there are aliens and they drop something in the fucking corn get out of here and it's gonna suck her face. It does now. We're Dad's face bear dog hates car alarms and Humanity in general. So let's talk about this. Because I've talked about this with a few people on Twitter before okay that the monsters from Cloverfield the original film and the monsters from 10 Cloverfield Lane are not of the same species / Planet / whatever especially now after God Particle the theory is that they are of different timelines. Okay, but I mean in God Particle the only real monster we see here is the Clover very end. If anything Cloverfield Paradox is more tied to Cloverfield than 10 Cloverfield Lane is so yeah, I'd like, okay, so are there different species maybe and I think a lot of the complaints to were that in this one. We actually get a spaceship and we see some biochemical Warfare and people were really mad because the original Clover is more like a giant monster movie. It's not an intelligent Species movie. It's not about an alien. Evasion we kind of understand or gather that Clover is not an Earthling especially if you watch that Ferris wheel scene. Okay. Well here let's go back to the ferris wheel seen for a second because the other we're getting some Clover Spirits these up in the other school of thought here and I don't mean to I mean take you to college on this one, but we're going back Cloverfield 101 that Ferris wheel seen. I think this is I think it's a different way to look at it. Okay. We are not seeing the Clover monster fall into the water. We are seeing a That has been knocked out of orbit and falling back to Earth that once it hits the water and sinks. It disturbs the Clover monster. That's one school of thought. Where do you get that from the internet? Why is this satellite? Why couldn't it be an egg? Well, it's apparently it has something to do with the Japanese company that Rob from Cloverfield is going to work for who has some dealings and everything footage movie John. Yeah, but there's there's a there's a story behind the story. Okay. I've heard that Theory online now, here's here is my my hope I think it ties into what you're saying here. But 10 Cloverfield Lane and my desires for the next Cloverfield movie or honestly Cloverfield 8. I don't even give a shit. This is such a wild idea. I do not think it could be the next movie but because of the instances with Cloverfield Paradox and 10 Cloverfield Lane, let's assume aliens have come to Earth. They are here to conquer and it's because of the Garb God Particle like that's part of it. That was the that was what caused. It and that's why the aliens are here because now we're in some weird other universe and they're dirty. They're coming for our natural resources, right? Okay. Now Clover separate monster has been awoken is currently terrorizing the city when the aliens attack and clover is now like Godzilla. He's our protector and he's gonna tear these aliens down and save humanity and at the end he's probably gonna die. We're gonna be like, oh no, he was our pets. Oh my God, like I just wanted to Love you. Okay. So I love that. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, I agree. That'd be great. That's great a little while though know if directed by the guys that did crank. That's how I'd see that movie. Well, what would it be can't be like Godzilla vs. Moth or would be like Cloverfield verse Cloverfield Cloverfield verse martians Cloverfield versus the Martians. Yeah. I like it Cloverfield Saves Christmas. Okay, this these are good. These are all good. Yep. Yep. So that's a great Theory. It's probably not true. But it I would totally watch that. I think that would save Cloverfield the franchise you imagine but my belief and this is what I've always argued is that Clover is definitely part of the same alien species that these monsters and they're weird spaceship are part of in 10 Cloverfield Lane and my argument is that if say humanity went to another Anat, and you know we were just going to like fuck shit up and we had these giant ass hippos that we had. You know, we want to we don't want to send humans there. We don't we don't want to waste a perfectly intelligent brains. Yeah, so we'll drop some giant s hippos are the landing area is clear. What would you like to do drop the hippo would give anything to see them but you know what, I mean, like, I think that they're just a different species of the same Planet like Clover. I don't think his intelligence. Feces like I don't think it's got destruction on its mind. It's just a Destructor because of its size now. It's like if you dropped club Clover into a giant like rainforest, he would just be like walking around and looking for something to eat. Like he wouldn't be just like must find humanity to smaller. She just happened to be in Manhattan. This is really drop them and they were shooting it. And here's the thing. I think that speaks perfectly to what Howard was saying. What was Howard saying Howard. Okay, so when they hear a sound they think it's an helicopter. He's like, yeah, but it's not ours. It's definitely not anything that we We have I think this is Phase 2 because he's saying that the like Clover was phase one. However was phase one you sent it into your like highly populated cities your metropolises. You take out as many people as you can big big headquarters, you drop a bunch of hippos. Yeah, you dropped them hippos and they're hungry hungry and then you go in and you shoot up everybody. That's still remaining. Yeah. Exactly. And that's what we are seeing in 10 Cloverfield Lane its Phase 2. It's the more intelligent people who are coming in after the dogs have sniffed everybody yet. Those dog things were the one we encountered in the car sequence was there is so much action in the final moments of this movie. Oh much action because she she goes from like the air is Poison. The air is not poisoning. Oh this dog got to get keys go to this car. Go back to the truck. Go back to this car go to the house shit aliens behind the house now in that whole sequence we go. I have no idea what time it is when she decides to to to break out but I think Howard comes to get them in the middle of the night because it's like soup. Her dark so I can only assume that it's the Morning by the time she breaks out. No Evac. He says he's making them dinner. Okay. So this makes a little more sense because I was gonna say by the time she breaks out it gets dark fast and it's bright out. She hears Birds the flying around. It's getting like dusk by the time the thing gets dropped in the corn. But as soon as she's hiding in the barn, it's like dark out and it's probably just because like Batman rules aliens. Don't look cool during the day. Yeah. Also, I think she'd be caught way faster if ya right now and that fucking shot Right where like she's coming up to the house, but the alien ships coming up from behind super Backlund then when green mist from the the ship finally comes up, you see that this house is abandoned and all boarded up and like really you see the lights blaring. So yeah, I love it. Pretty cool. Totally worth it. Even if it's like timeline-wise. Let's say it is actually morning and it should be bright out so worth it for that scene. Totally. Is there any other scenes that you wanted to talk about? I will at least say I L don't love the end of the movie. You don't love it. No, I don't know what it is. Maybe maybe honestly, maybe it's just that the bunker stuff is too good and the paranoia is so well done that once you find out that it's all real. It's not I don't know. It just doesn't it's not it doesn't work for me because it works and it's great. And I think like a lot of other movies Indie movies, you would have come out and found out that there was no attack. It's just some weird thing the fact that they're willing to go there and show you aliens and have like a full-on alien attack is great. Like she has a fucking Showdown with more than one of these aliens and she destroys of it's awesome. I don't I don't know. I don't love it. I'm talking about it now and it's like man, this is sounds great. I like it because it's even Howard's not right like he thinks that there's been like some chemicals and there's nuclear fallout awesome ours. Has finally found a way to get to us. He's so certain that martians exist, but it's not an even a nuclear fallout. It's almost like these ships are dropping quick acting poison because as soon as the green is not on you, you're no longer poisonous because it only touches me a little bit just a little just a little bit but she takes the mask off and like right after being submerged in that green nonsense and it's not burning through her suit or anything. I think it's just as long as it gets her skin. But yeah, I think I just inhaled poison. Yeah, but it's not like it's not a long active chemical. Is interesting. Yeah, but we is there anything else you want to talk about? No, I think I'm ready to rate the film go for it. I'm going to give it a 3.5 out of four. I'm also giving it a 3.5 out of four. I think every time I watch it, I like that that ending more like I've always thought that it worked. It just wasn't always my favorite. But again, I think it's just cause the bunker stuff is so fucking good. Yeah. I know. You know what I do love the mystery-solving like as much as I complain about it. It just keeps it from being like the perfect film because it feels just a little too. Set up and a little to screenwriter Lee orchestrated sure, but it is really fun to watch this character MacGyver her way out of every situation because you have somebody you really want to root for and she really earns her Freedom. Oh, yeah. Yeah not to say that like other character. You have to earn your freedom to be in a horror film but like you want to have somebody to cheer for and from moment one. She is like fucking trying to get out. Yeah. She just doesn't she doesn't just sees an opportunity at the end of the movie after an hour and a half of doing whatever this guy says because Scared of them. She is always trying to find a way out. Hmm, and it's only because of that that she's able to get at the end when she can totally moving on. Let's talk about Rob Riders misery from 1990. You have a compound fracture of the tibia and both legs and the fibula and the right leg is fractured to in as soon as the roads open. I'll take you to a hospital the meantime, you got a lot of recovering to do there is nothing to worry about you're going to be just fine. I'm your number one fan. My name is Annie Wilkes. The presumption must now be that Paul Sheldon is dead Dirty Bird how Could you misery Chastain cannot be Dead Mystery spirit is still alive. Don't even think about anybody coming for you because I never called them. Nobody knows you're here and you better. Hope nothing happens to me. Because if I die you die adapted from the Stephen King novel of the same name misery is currently sitting at a seven point eight out of ten on IMDb 89 percent on Rotten Tomatoes three out of four from Roger Ebert himself and 3.9 out of 5 on letterbox. I think everyone always loves this movie. Yeah, it's especially this time of year. I find any time from Christmas on it's on it's a lot of the Christmas watch list. It's not a lot of winter watch lists, no watchlist and makes a lot of sense because it's about isolation and being stuck indoors. It's a little bit Cabin Fever e which is so funny because the day we're recording this. It is actually a snow day. We have taken a snow day. We're recording this way earlier than we normally do. Oh, yeah. We normally record it night normally the Most convenient time for us and it's weird doing this in the day like as I'm saying this I'm looking at a window and it's just pure whiteness because it is we're supposed to get 25 centimeters of snow today. So misery was a perfect choice. It worked out really well for this weeks episode. If you're if you're more familiar with the if you're an American listener and you're familiar with inches 25 centimeters is like a foot and a half. I was gonna say just a lot. It's it's it's just a lot of snow. Yeah, this movie is perfect this movie was Always on TV for the longest time. Maybe it still is I'm not sure but back when I was watching TV all the time this movie was on all the time. Yeah, and I think it's because you have performances from James Caan and Kathy Bates that are amazing. It's a Rob Reiner movie from a William Goldman script and it's not incredibly violent and it's a pretty simple premise and it's kind of a fun little Thriller. Like I think it's it's got a good audience. Yeah, it's more broad than I would say that most of Stephen King's stuff but I think a housewife might be more interested in watching misery then say The Shining or Cujo. Yeah, I mean one of the rare instances where there's almost no Supernatural stuff. That is also true that might also just be for the movie. I don't think I've read this book, but I'm going to go ahead and assume there's no Supernatural stuff in the book do like misery comes back to defend. She's haunted by the Serve the People she's killed I got her know something like that. Right? I have no idea misery herself is a windigo exist just floats in on the Wind know another fun fact about this movie. We actually watched our VHS copy of this which we picked up at a thrift store not too long ago, which is kind of what sparked this episode initially and the tape. I don't know if I've ever had this happen before the tape was moldy. Yeah, like really No, no, it was pretty good. Here's a here's the thing after watching it. I will agree with you very moldy. Pretty fucking. Well, we should buy one of those tape cleaners for our VHS. It was pretty great though. I actually really enjoyed it such as the quality when you watch VHS. Sometimes you get some fuzz and stuff our whole screen kept fuzzing out for periods and it would be the most great like the greatest moments Kathy Bates would be like misery. Yeah don't ever like it it looks like a Video artist had taken this movie and just like put a bunch of codecs on it. And she's like made the weirdest most haunting art from the simplest scenes, but there were full section of the movie that were fine to watch. Yep. And then there were times where the VCR player just be like, no it's not working and turn off. Yeah, we are turned off. It's like yeah, we hit stop and then the screen went black and get it on DVD it took like to spit it back out. It's so it took like three hours, but we made it through we Watch Misery. I hadn't seen the full movie in a really long time like you I'd watched it in Parts on television. So I don't know if I'd seen the entire movie from beginning to end. But what I hadn't sat down and watched the entire thing and I think it's a it's a small story kind of the premise. You understand you get without having seen it but the performances of the two characters and the ebb and flow of this capture or captive and capped or are such a good Dynamic. It's a fun. Movie to watch a lot of fun especially knowing that I mean there are a lot of books by see you again keg where the main characters are definitely him. Right like he writes about Riders and like cool write what you know, and like however the idea comes to you just fucking go with it. But this one seems like almost the most personal like the idea of oh, I'm your number one fan. I just love you so much like what happens if that was a crazy person, you know what I mean and being like what happened if your your big ticket item what brought you your success? Was what brought you misery? So I'm so glad you said that there are so many good lines like this year because of the word misery itself. I wrote almost every single one of them down. I think you're one you're thinking of is I haven't been revealed. I haven't been a good writer since I got into the misery business. Oh so good. It's just movie should have been called Misery Business out of an eye miseries business their words yet. So many so many great uses of it where you just twisting it. I love that. We know that this character is somebody he absolutely It's he's come to despise. He really loves the fact that all he does is write these period Piece romance type stories with this misery character. So this is to find out that she has a pet pig named misery is fucking great. It's so funny. It also comes at a point in the movie where she's picking up his new book and one he's sick of being there. He wants to get out. He's still kind of believes. They're like, oh the roads are a little too messed up. Yeah, I can't go to the hospital. But he has he's out stayed his want for a welcome by that point. He just wants to get out and knowing that she's about to read his new book where he kills that character off for good. It's gonna be rough roads ahead and he wants out of there fast. Yeah, it's actually really great at the beginning because you always have this period in captive films where the captor is a little socially strange as in our last film as well. But all together like Annie's character in the beginning is she small town but she's like humble and warm and welcoming. She says she's a nurse. She splinted his legs. She said I'm up all nice there in the middle of a blizzard. So I mean the situation at first there's not really much cause for alarm or suspicion and she's feeding him. She's taken care of him. She has medical grade painkillers. It's like she's a nurse. Yeah. Yeah. He's set up pretty cushy like until until the The roads get cleared he's doing okay. He's going to live through this. We taking the time to explain how he got there in case it for anybody that hasn't seen the movie. Oh, he just got in a car accident can do a car accident. She rescues him both his legs are broken. He can't go anywhere and the roads. There's like a huge blizzard that block them all in that we keep talking about and that's why he can't get to a hospital or back to his daughter. And also the phones are down. Yeah, because you know, if you're in a horror movie, there are no phones. Yeah. Nobody will tell you that remote cabin just like Upstate New York was great when you were looking for us little Retreat to write your novel. But hobo is it awful once your secluded from the rest of the world and also the downside of the blizzard is that his car is entirely buried. So the police don't have any idea where he is as far as they know he just disappeared off the face of the Earth Yep. His credit card was last used at the end. He was staying at and it hasn't been used since and nobody's heard from him. Yeah you give me any We're from there back to New York. Maybe maybe he wants to disappear. They don't know but there's a local sheriff know something's not right about this. I feel like we're reading the back jacket. Yeah, kind of we're going to check in with that share of though with his super cute wife. I know their banter is great. They're so great. They're driving down. She puts her hand on his thigh. She's like dammit Martha. I don't remember her name. I'm sorry. But like when you're in this car, you're not my wife. You're my Deputy. I love it. That's cute. She's always nipping at him that like his desk is a Is a big huge mess so you don't work with your spouse. So Paul James Caan's character was on his way back to New York to deliver the manuscript for his new novel is first. Yeah, it's first book after miseries. Finally killed her off. He's getting back. He's writing something from the heart this time something about slum kids like himself full look cockadoodie language, which misery? Nope, not misery. I want to call her misery to I do. Yeah constantly want to call her misery everybody else in this movie other than the two of them is named Misery. We have a central character that we never see a pig. They're all misery. That's it. The sheriff's named Misery the town a town called Misery sounds great. Oh my God. That sounds amazing. Yeah. All right. Well foolishly he lets her read that book and she hates if she's so angry. She's so she shakes rattles the bed his poor legs doesn't she Smack his legs the same time. She just like she lifted the back legs of the bed and like slammed them down still rough. But because it's so full of Filth. She makes them burn it because he needs to free himself. Yeah, she needs to get back. He's got to write more mystery novels. She thinks she's giving him a gift. Right? Like I'm just gonna release you from this is awful burden that you put on yourself at that point. Has she read the ending yet? Or she hasn't even gone. I don't think she's gotten to the end of it Oh, you mean the like the ending of his misery of his new misery novel? Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know if she's picked it up by that pole. Yeah, because she she has him burn that manuscript pretty early on in the film and that's seen I think I'm picking that seen as the scariest moment the film there's so many moments where she's eerie and creepy but when she's doing that weird off-handed threatening where she's talking with her hands and splashing the lighter fluid on his duvet. Yeah, because he's holding the matches at this point and he's refusing to light the manuscript, but she's It up in a barbecue. Yeah next to him and she slowly dousing him in lighter fluid as she sang like you really need to do this. You need to do it for yourself you need to do it. God wants you to do it and like all this stuff and nothing she's saying is outwardly threatening but she's dousing him in lighter fluid. Oh, yeah. That is so is this clear Loki menacing? Yeah. She either burn the book or I'll burn you. That's what it comes down to what you want to die for your art because I'm also To burn the book after I burn you as well so and after this instance so he does end up burning the book. It's really traumatizing for. Oh man. It's so calm plays it's so well, yeah because he tries to figure out he's like, oh my my age and already has a copy all the Publishers have copies and then she quotes something. He said in an interview 11 years previous saying like Oh, no, you're superstitious. You only have one copy and she she quotes what he says like verbatim. Yeah, because she's his biggest fan. There's something so interesting about this too because it's so she's going off about his Habits and what he does where he writes what how he writes but at the beginning of the movie, we also see him finishing up that that manuscript he's going to deliver to his publisher. He's got a single cigarette a single match a bottle of Dom pairing young. How does she even answers are rigney on? Yeah our Perignon. Yeah something like so Dom Perignon long as Annie Wilkes would say so we know that he has habits and very specific habits and about halfway through the movie. She gives she She gifts him another single match to burn that manuscript. We also come back to that at the end of the movie as well. I guess just brilliant book book ending for this movie. But I love how his habits are always used against him because it just goes to show that this is a turning point in his life. And if he can escape out of this it's going to completely change who he is as a writer. He is in that transitional moment between the Paul Sheldon that he was yeah because he's also putting misery behind. He's trying to become somebody else like all of Is those habits and those Comforts that he has they need to go away in order for him to become a better person. It's interesting too because a metaphorical. Yeah, Annie Annie Wilkes also kind of represents the misery character. Like it's interesting that she is his biggest fan and represents everything that he hates about Misery. He has to kill misery in order to go on with his life. So he's gotta kill her as well. Like she's literally got them by that fucking coat tail. So after this point in the film, it's kind of like all pretenses are off. He stops asking when the roads are going to be plowed. There's kind of this weird unspoken relationship between the two of them were it's definitely understood that he is captive. And once Annie Wilkes reads the misery story and realizes that he has killed misery off like all bets are fucking off and she sets him up with a home office and he is to rewrite misery and bring her back to life in her honor in her honor. She's so determined. Isabel she is hold well this point you're like, oh she wants to marry him. Oh, yeah. There's even a moment later on where she says that I was in love with Paul Sheldon the writer, but now I know I'm in love with Paul Sheldon the man but I know you don't love me and like that's that that's that moment in like where it's raining outside. Right? Like he's been there long enough that snow has turned to rain and she sometimes gets a little boy. Oh my God, I forgot about this is so this is the creepiest seen like yeah rain always makes me sad and then all of a sudden he pulls a gun out. Yeah. Yeah. She pulls the trigger like she's just like she just wants to use it. Like I have to go now John. She says like I think about using this over that's right. And then and then it's like quiet for a minute or two and then she's like I have to go now. I think I might load it like what and then she just leaves dries off put bullets in it. That is the creepiest thing a human being has ever said to another human being that's has their legs in a brace in a bed in your house as a stranger. Yeah. That familiar situation. Everybody's been there. They do a really good job of making him seem weak like not not physically physically weak because it's somewhere around there where she's left the house during the day. He sends her off to get new type writing paper because this pays paper smudges. Yeah. She's not happy about that, but she gets so mad, but she drops a bobby pin. I think that's the real reason why he wants her to leave just so he can get the bobby pin because he's going to Fashion it as a key. A key to unlock the door so he can occasionally get out and maybe call the fucking cops, but even just that scene alone like that whole sequence is all about how hard it is for him to get around and how he can't escape but we begin it with how hard it is for him to just pick up a fucking bobby pin. Like the rest of it all plays out so perfectly because of that moment. Hmm because he has to crawl around and he can't he can't reach a doorknob. He can't open the door. He can't he's not in a position where he Steal a knife and fight back because he doesn't have the strength to do it. Oh and by the way when he finds the phone so he could maybe call for help. It's fake. It's not even a real phone. Yeah, like he couldn't it's not it's not even that she unplugged it or cut the cord. It's just not real. Oh man nuts take the interesting thing to about Paul Sheldon is that he kind of once he understands? He's in this situation. He like Michelle in our last film has a strategy. and of right away and this is where the really interesting thing comes from these kaptur movies because it all comes down to your characters and for him because he is without mobility and he doesn't have any strength and he's recovering he is using manipulation and trying to understand who Annie is as a person to kind of use it against her so he's often very sweet and Sly with her and he's got this kind of long con and we and we gather that because stops taking his pain medication and he starts hiding it in the mattress of his bed, which he's cut open and we obviously you can kind of gather that he's going to try to poison her and so he's really slowly working almost like crafting a story about this relationship blossoming so that when he finally writes misery back into her story and she's been reborn reborn to Annie's liking yeah, they celebrate dinner together to celebrate miseries return. Yeah, and she's not getting a candle so they can have a real candle lit dinner. He slips that whole packing into her drink but Butterfingers here messes up knocks over her cup and Spills the entire glass of red wine and all of the contents like a month or twos worth of pain medication. That would have at least knocked her out. Right like the his Escape. He's just watching it flow onto the table. Disappear and then like from that moment on the guys is completely dropped before he was like sweet as sugar to her and like she would keep blow him a kiss and he would catch it and like there was just he was really feeding into this romance this romance romantic delusion. She had and then afterwards she's like waving at him outside and gives her the finger through the window. Like it's it's really great the ebb and flow of how he's using his only resource which is the relationship to one prevent her volatility because of whenever she's unhappy she gets like crazy. Oh, yeah and to just to keep going another day so that he can hopefully get strong enough to get out of there and it's awful to because he he he what's that awful but it is kind of funny how much he hated writing the misery stories and now he has to write the worst misery story ever just to say to satisfy the worst. Is a refill. Oh man. It's nuts. Like every horrible thing. That could be written. She's like, oh my God, this is so brilliant. And then those this and that connection just like every horrible decision. You could possibly make to right into your character. He has to do it in order to please her. So just Pullin teeth for him. Right but every page keeps him alive another day. So at this point he's just writing to stay alive. And the worst part about that too is he's writing toward his own end. Because once the books done what's going to happen then right? She's either going to kill him or she's gonna have no need for him anymore. Like no matter what things do not look good. Once it's over and did you get the impression when the cop comes by that she was actually planning on selling that book? I don't know. I think she's just trying to cover her ass. Like I think she's just being overeager. Yeah, and she wants to show him that room before he discovers it mmm because who knows his name might have been on the top. Age that's a good point. But yeah, so like meanwhile while she's got Paul Sheldon and writing this book for her the cop is getting closer and closer and closer. He's reading misery novels. He's flying around in the helicopter there trying to find the car. He knows something's up. Hmm, even though everybody's kind of chalked Paul Sheldon up As Dead As. Yeah, they found his car at this point, but they haven't found the body he notices though that that somebody used a crow bar to open the driver side door, which means that he didn't get Out by himself, which means he's probably if not alive dead. If if not alive somewhere else then dead but not in the forest where they think he is. So he's gonna he's staying on the case when he comes across a very familiar line and want to Sheldon's books where misery is going to court and she says that I answer to what Justice higher than man and I will answer only to him something about that strikes him. So he writes it down and he keeps it and later on when he's in the library looking through old newspapers. Comes across a clipping of Annie Wilkes who's been accused of murder who said the exact same thing in court while defending herself. Yeah. This comes right after Paul also finds her fucking scrapbook of murder, right? He's got photos of her Pig in there. So it is so just like a regular scrap woman about like new child dead. There's photos of Misery the pig. Yeah, but there's also like a newspaper clipping of her husband who fell to his death, which is unlike the divorce. She is yes, not what she said happened. And also top nurse of the school fell to his death. Yeah, so she's just killing everybody ahead of her. She's killed a bunch of kids at the nursing home. She's killed elderly people at the nursing home. She has killed so many people now I wanted to pose this question to you. Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know what you're gonna say. Okay. So giving that Paul Sheldon is a creature of habit and he always writes the same. Cabin, yeah, and that's the Wilkes Farm like the cop knows it's the Wilkes Farm. Do you think this has all been a long con for her to intercept him at some point in his life? It's a great question because she does say to him that she knows he writes at that hotel and would go to the hotel and park out front and just wonder what he was up to. So it's she's essentially stalking him already. I don't think it's like it just seems like an odd case of Fate that she happens to be there to rescue him in this blizzard and she lives nearby. Oh, I think it's I don't think it's coincidental at all. I think she was following him. I don't think she was waiting for him to careen off the road so she could rescue him, but she definitely sees that opportunity as it came. I don't know that she ever follows him past the city limits. I think she just kind of like follows him while he's around town. Mmm, and then when he's gone, his book shows up, so she's got that she just reads it over and over and over and over again until he shows Up to write another book. I just think it's very interesting. Yeah, it would be maybe a little too convenient to find out that there were spikes in the road and that's why she was out there with a hose. Just making it a little slippery. I mean, I wouldn't put it past her character. I wouldn't either because she seemed very ready to help him out of that car. Yeah who carries a gigantic crowbar with them who carries a gigantic man on their back? I couldn't get that low you if we were in a crazy accident like I would probably like drag you a few. Feet and then give up and then maybe put you back in the car and be like, I'll go get help ya. I'll go find someone who can lift you like. I'll look for a sled. You know, I obviously there are theatrical trailers that are leading up to this and it's based on a novel that surely a bunch of people had read but if you're going into this perfectly blind, I think that's part of why they shot it why they shot it in the beginning because you wouldn't assume that it's a woman who saves him. Hmm. You were just not think that and she's so like Pleasant and sweet. Yeah, like she's definitely I lived on a farm or whole life. So she's just serves. He's painkillers under a Doyle of Doyle was a really great moment. There was something I wanted to ask you too. And I remember what it was. We haven't talked about the hobbling scene. I think we really need to talk about that. Otherwise people are going to be very mad at us. Yeah, that's the scene everybody remembers in this movie. Yeah, like her holding the sledgehammer, like if they they make an action figure of her it if it didn't come with a sledgehammer people would be angry. Oh, I don't be mad. I'd be mad. Mad I don't even care about actually if it came with the pills in the doily, I would totally buy that's that's a little different. Yeah, that'd be great. Use a coaster. Yeah, James Collins character just comes with like a thing that toasters most get a typewriter and I was gonna say a barbell with two typewriters on either end and he's got like those long shorts that they were in the 20s, you know, like the the swimsuit shorts the he's opposable feature is him being able to do fisticuffs or inside his wheelchair pulling the knife out of his sling. Yeah, the flinger Slinger the flings Slinger. Oh, man. I'm surprised he even went to sleep period oh my god when she wipes his foot you only see the one foot it folds. So realistically like it's I'm shuddering just like describing it. Yeah. Oh man, by the way, this movie is directed by I know I said it up top Rob Reiner. What has he done? Rob Reider at did this is spinal tap. He's done like some romantic comedy family ish type stuff. If you might recognize him as the dad in The Wolf on Wall Street, pretty sure he directed Stand By Me Right, but more importantly and you will recognize this like this guy's got like an insane career. You've definitely seen most of his movies, but I do actually think this would be a great double feature also written by William Goldman who adapted his own novel The Princess Bride. Oh, wow. Can you imagine two movies where somebody is essentially bedridden surrounding a story that they are creating and following All throughout this is a great double feature with The Princess Bride. But yeah, your brother used to watch All in the Family of a lot as a kid, right? Hmm. He was the son-in-law the Meathead that's Rob Reiner. His dad's Carl Reiner. Who is the writing partner with Mel Brooks? So like comedy? Yeah. This has been Hollywood corner. Thank you for that John. I have another question for you. Yeah, this one I figure because we're nearing the end of the episode. Oh, yeah, who would you rather be stuck with? Annie Wilkes or Howard man that stuff that is not rather. But like who would you of the to is yours? You're going to be held captive you would you get your choice of the two? Yeah who that's really hard. You think you might have a chance with with with Annie Wilkes because she seems to want to keep him around except when she gets blue. You gotta pay to play a more psychological game with a lie. Much more psychological game with a knee but here's but how does it come back to that hobbling seen one more time. His legs are broken. He's broken. Both of his legs. They are finally starting to heal and she fucking break some again. I can't I can't get over that. It makes me hurt. It makes me hurt so so very much but Howard comes with aliens. So definitely come to the islands, but he also comes with just like Snap decision and acid. Yeah, like at least with an E like there there is a real world. That exists at side that you could hopefully get to I guess now that we know there's no phone. There's no fucking chance that you are against Annie no matter what if I had to choose somebody to fight I'd probably rather choose a nanny. Yeah, I guess I'd rather fight Aunt like if it came to a showdown. Yeah Howard just seems way too prepared. Any is it's a crime of passion, you know, like it's maybe it's it's planned out. What am I fucking talking about? She's killed dozens of people. She's killed so many fucking be I mean, how are you could probably run away from but you have to be running around a table because there's not much room in the bunker to run. Howard's Howard could throw that body weight to right there's no stopping him to throw jubileus a military man. That's true. He wasn't probably knows how to shape though. You say buddy. Fizzy pops is drinking a dinner that's his first but then there's also aliens so like it's what do you escape into a world where you still have to fight? Yeah, so it's like it's like this captor and then broken legs or this captor and then aliens after I mean and potential acid like death means acid broke. Legs I got bad ankle and I twist it all the time and it's just it's nothing close to breaking it. I don't want to break it. But really you broke both of them. Yeah. So any yeah any I guess oh that is that is a horrible decision to make I'd like to see a parody of this with JK Rowling and Harry Potter. That's interesting like a crazy Harry Potter fan. That sounds great this this movie. Will you think this movie's gonna be remade soon? I don't think so eventually I Is going to be your major. I don't think this one is and less. Who is it that does all the Stephen King movies from Netflix Mike Flanagan if he wants to I don't think Mike. Yeah, right if he says so if my he's like, you know what I've still have the bed from Gerald's Game lets his next one could have been Dolores Claiborne, maybe because Dolores Claiborne and Gerald's Game are like mirrors of each other in some degree. He's doing dr. Sleep, right? Is he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think Mike Flanagan. Wouldn't touch a property that's already been adapted because he probably has too much respect for it like House on Haunted Hill. I mean like a Stephen King novel Haunting of Hill House Stephen King property that's already been as active. Oh, we haven't done rating. So what is your rating of misery? I want to give it a higher rating, but I'm giving it a 3 out of 4. I'm also a 3 out of 4 that end that final showdown, right? It's so earned where he just like smashes her over the head with the typewriter and it's just it's so bloody and he is up, but he's really up against the wall on this one because he It but he can barely fight and well, it's also the very end of the Rope like there is a she's already killed the police officer and she's coming in to kill him and there's no more time left. No matter there's no bargaining chip. There's no convincing her. There's no warming her over like she is convinced and it's happening. So like even if he's not at his Peak strength or not ready, he just has to go for it, but he still uses his charm to buy himself another another day like another few hours where he can write the rest of The book they can bring misery out into the world and then they can murder suicide each other, right but again like his habits. We've got a single cigarette a single match some champagne, but he finally gets to burn a book. He wants to burn it so that way she gets on the floor where he can Basher like it's a great ending. Hmm. It is such a vicious bloody fight and it's so worth it totally and you know, unlike most Stephen King story isn't was Stephen King adaptations. It ends in such a brilliant way. We're he's staring at the waitress who's coming to him who he sees as Annie Wilkes. He's like, I don't think I'm ever gonna get over that. I'm always gonna see her everywhere. I look and then we see that it's just a regular person asking if he wants a piece of cake, but no no she comes to say that she's his number one fan because that's very nice of you credits PTSD, right? So well done and like his the look on his face is great too because he knows it's not real but it still scares them but he's still something that's gonna be with him forever. Exactly. This is What's he's got to deal with now? Yeah, anytime a fan says that to him which might be every time he's in public but he stopped caring about what other people think he's not writing for his fans. He's not writing for critics. He's writing for himself writing for the fans is what got him into this mess kinda and it finally doesn't matter. He's writing something for himself, which is hilarious because he to escape he had to write for an e for his audience those fucking good movie. I want to give it a higher than 3.5 out of four, but it's like this. Have a lot to visit thing is it's just a simple story. Like it's really well done in the characters are great. But you could write the synopsis in a sentence or two. So it's just really confined. So there's only so much it can do maybe some ghosts next time getting maybe I don't want goes it would be okay, but we want to hear what you thought of both of these films. So tweeted us at and ofs podcast. 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assalamualaikum friends and welcome to a Muslim mum podcast Bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim the Hadith we're going to look at today is Modesty is a branch of faith. And that's in the book of bihari. So what is the word for modesty is here? And what is here? It's bashfulness and shyness and it means to restrain oneself from sin and it's that's the most important obligation of our faith the Hadith refers to hair modesty that comes from Iman. And so to cultivate that modesty we have to predict our head, you know, I might you know, what's in our head am I? And our hearts and what it contains we need to remember death and the trials of the Grave. We need to stop being so attached the adornments of this world. And it's so it's not just when we sometimes think of modesty. Okay, a lot of us women will think modesty modest clothing, you know covering up and it's you know, it's what the Hadith hair is really talking about. Those things will come into being modest of course, but when we think of modesty in link to our belief our faith, and so it's not only will we then Then think okay. I'm going to be modest in my dress but also going to then think about we're going to be modest in our Behavior as in we're not going to be arrogant, you know, the opposite of being you know, so being immodest we're going to stay away from that and if we think of immodest Behavior so some we might be thinking well, I don't go to a nightclub say for example, I don't go and I'm not dating other men. I'm not you know stuff like I'm not Mixing and doing you know Haram things with other men yet. So we can sometimes think so therefore I am modest but this Hadith what I would for me, it's become a starting point to find out more about what does modesty mean in Islam and I think I think that because it is a very it's a very short Hadith and there are so what I would advise you and this is something I'm going to do is Research what does it mean to embody modesty as a concept as an idea and to live by in Islam and I'm not going to take my view of modesty from what is defined by the society. I live in so in UK or us I'm basically non-muslim liberal societies. They have a view of modesty and it really is open to interpretation. So for example, you know to you know, we're a very, you know, very Tight clothing but covers I could be wearing a skin-tight jeans down to my ankles and a head scarf or you know or in a very tight fitting top and someone could say to me. Oh you're modest because it's cover. You know, I'm not showing any flesh, but then a woman could think you know, well, I think modesty or even a man for example, I think it's modest when I am just not being boastful get there. So many what I'm trying to explain Is non-muslims have a view of modesty and even this Muslims we're starting to have AV our own personal view of modesty. But what we need to do is look refer back to what does Islam say about modesty in our clothing and our Behavior because the Hadith is saying modesty is a branch of Faith. So if it meets a part of our faith, we need to make the effort to understand. What does it I mean Charlie, so that's what I have taken from this Hadith and I think the topic needs I need to spend more time researching it in Sharla in today's podcast. I have the pleasure of speaking to sister on parleyed from the US all college was born in Egypt and moved to u.s. At a young age. She completed memorization of the Quran early in life. And then she studied anthropology at Harvard University. She has served as a campus chaplain at Women's College in New England and Masha Allah and Muhammad is the mother for children whom she homeschools using a curriculum. She personally developed focusing on Islamic their Bia and inculcated strong convictions to her young children. I'm Harley it also teaches online at Asana Institute asslamu alaikum sister Jessica here for coming on to a Muslim man podcast. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to meet one. Excellent. So it's a lie. Now. I came across an article you wrote on the website and Muslim skeptic.com. And the title of the article was outgrowing feminist takes on the hijab. So what I was hoping to do in this episode of the podcast was and it's something that I think my listeners would really find interesting is to explore the different points. It's of the article in a bit more depth. So to begin with in the article, you described yourself as a feminist when you studied at Harvard. So I think many women who have gone to University may have also experienced what you experience. So could you explain why were you a feminist when you were University? Yes, absolutely. That's a really good question and the main reason I would As you know, why identified myself as a feminist by fan is really this atmosphere in this climate of liberalism. When you go into a liberal arts college, there is a lot of like there's a specific culture and a specific atmosphere. So I'll Define exactly what I mean a liberal arts college is a typically a college or a university where you study academic subjects like literature philosophy. The social sciences physical sciences things of that nature and the contrast is between these types of liberal arts colleges and then more Technical and more professional schools schools with professional or Technical Training. So when you go to a liberal arts college anywhere really in the West's in Western countries, the culture is infused with liberalism and liberalism just to give a quick brief definition is basically this it's a philosophy the liberal philosophy is basically Speaks this focus on the idea of Liberty Freedom Liberty autonomy personal agency and personal freedom. That is all just the core. This is at the heart of everything and it's it's just a philosophy that goes way back to people like John Locke Montesquieu. It's in the wake of the French Revolution in Europe. This is you know, this philosophy or this belief began to spread and it's everywhere now and it's you know, basically, East mostly in Western countries non-muslim Western countries whether it's in North America or Europe, but it really has been brought all over the world with the internet and social media Etc. So liberalism is just its focus on the main human goal and what human beings all should strive for and should aim to achieve is its idea of Liberty and freedom. I want to be free. I am liberated. That's the highest goal that I have for myself. So when you go to liberal arts college, that's what you were taught. It's very implicit and It's explicit, you know, it's stated very, you know, overtly you want to be free. There's you know, where liberal this is. Liberalism is. This is what human happiness. This is where human happiness comes from. So feminism is a part of liberalism. Actually. It's a philosophy that is directly under the larger philosophy of liberalism. Everybody is a feminists you go. There you go to you know, I went to Harvard and I was a freshman in there and it's just this culture you feel it immediately. It's just and I never took a class academically to really study the attendance of you know, the history of Feminism so I didn't know all of that but I immediately started to kind of call myself and identify myself with this movement not knowing really much about it, except, you know women, you know, women are good. And I generally agree with that. I'm a woman so I thought okay. I'm a feminist then you know, and so and this was even though you were wearing humor and Joe Bob at the time. Yes. Yes. I am. I really you know, I worry I said where the cream are and eye covered and I tried to abide by the rules of hey ja but I thought there was no I thought there's no problem. You can be a Muslim and a practicing Muslim I striving you're covered but you can also be a feminist because it's them and feminism surely they're compatible but I had never really had never actually looked into feminism. I'd never actually studied any of the principles or anything with feminism, but I just thought because it's just it's almost like In the air, it's like in the water, you know, it's hugest everything else especially on a college campus in the western world, but really, oh really anywhere in society. It's just there. So you're just like I guess I'm a feminist now, that's what it is. Yeah. I think that many women including myself haven't studied what feminism actually is but it's very easy to adopt the ideas because they sound so good and sound so like basically So positive about women so we so you were so you're in University. And and if you could tell what was the context behind they were basically a sister and Gyptian fellow Egyptian sister at Kyoto University. She wanted to interview you so could you tell us a bit more about that? Yes, they'll basically I was a freshman. I majored in my family's Egyptian, you know, so and this other girl at Harvard also a a freshman at my same age and my singing year. She we just happened to meet randomly. I think at one of the you know, and then when she came back she was like, hey just randomly out of the blue. She said I know this is totally out of the blue, but do you want to be interviewed? I'd love to interview you and other Muslim girls at Harvard other freshmen girls about the hijab and why you guys dress the way that you dress and if you could explain that to me we could do an interview and I'll write an article about it for the Harvard Crimson the Harvard Crimson is the the campus newspaper at Harvard. So I was you know, I took it at face value. So sure that sounds great. When do you want to do it? So we did it. No, right. And so then so now it comes to the ike said the now you're not happy with now in 2019. You're not happy with the answers that you gave to to that in that interview. And so that's what you wrote the article. But and now this is what I found so it was actually quite funny and interesting because the answers that you gave are the answers that That in the past. I also would have given and if they're the answers that we see all on social media given by Muslim women when they ask that question. Why do you wear hijab or what does the hijab represent to you? So what I'd like love to do is go through the answers that you gave and if you can tell me why you no longer believe you know, those those answers are correct. So I'm going to read out your answers. So you say It hijab is not mandatory. It's a choice. See I'm not a pest like you think I chose to Don this piece of fabric on my head out of my own free will so what's wrong with saying that nothing? I stand by my statement. No, I'm joking. I'm totally kidding. That was a joke. I hope that was clear Yeah. So basically there's a lot wrong with that that it is not a statement that a believing Muslim woman should ever make when she's asked about why she is following any really any of the tenants of Islam any of the commands of Our Lord right of Allah, but specifically when you want to narrow it down just so that's like the general the general rule, but specifically when it comes to a job, why do you abide by the tendons of his jib? And also I want to say before I start in on the reasons and you know why my ancestors my previous answers when I was in college why they were wrong. I just want to give a quick just a quick clarification of what hijab means what I mean by that. I don't mean just simply a piece of fabric that one wears on one's head. Everyone's hair as a woman. I in general when I say hey Jeb, I mean the system of hijab because it is a total system. It's not like a piece of cloth that you wear. It's lowering the gazed and that goes for both men and for women men have to lower their gaze women have to lower their gaze. It's the dress code what the clothing that one wears and it's just not a small piece of fabric that you just kind of stick right on your head. It's includes a lot of different things, you know, so when we can get into exactly what had been tales for women, but just this idea of the system and separation between the genders proper etiquette not being not having a lot which is fill out these inter inter mixing or intermingling between the genders. So all of that is what I refer to that is the larger concept of hijab. It's a whole concept. It's a whole system that works beautifully and seamlessly together. Create a certain effect and we can talk about the specifics of the drama. But I just wanted to give that clarification. So we're not just simply talking about a pretty piece of fabric with flowers on it or whatever. You know that we put on our heads. It's a lot more than that. Yeah, awesome good. Yeah. Yeah, so so why is saying and that's our go-to thing is a gem is a choice. He's a hijab is my choice. I wear it because I chose to write why is that wrong? And you're right. We see that everywhere. We see that in you know all of our social media. Oh, is he in interviews whenever there's like, hey JB girls being interviewed by anybody the first thing she'll go to and this is what I did. The first thing I went to was. Oh it's a choice and why do we go there? I think for me at least speaking personally. I was so hyper aware. I was very very hyper conscious of how I was seen by non-muslims and I understood by comments or like looks that I would get or you know, just generally like you're aware right of how people see you and I understood that I was seeing As somebody who's depressed somebody who was made to dress that way or to do those things somebody who this is not her choice that she could do anything if she could choose to wear it or do or be anything. It wouldn't be this. This is not a choice that she made for herself. This is something that either was forced on her by her father or her uncle or her husband some man some man in her life made her do this. This is not what she wants. So I was I was aware of it. I just I had this conception I had this like idea. In my head on this is how a non-muslim see me because I grew up around and non-muslims. I grew up in New Jersey not a lot of Muslims in that specific area of New Jersey actually has a lot of Muslims in general but where the specific place where I grew up there was very few. So I just had this understanding that I looked like I stuck out and it was obvious that there was coercion in my life. Like I was coerced to cover my hair cut on my body. So my first instinct is whenever I'm asked why do you wear what you're wearing? I immediately feel like I'm on the defensive. Right. I have to justify myself be and I have to address this unspoken implicit. It's kind of like this unspoken accusation. Like did your dad make me do this is your husband forcing you to do this? So immediately my first instinct is to say oh no, it's a choice. Nobody's making me do this. I chose this for myself. I have all this agency. And then why do we even use these words when we go back to this idea of liberalism is I was completely poisoned by this idea of liberalism. As I went to school in America, I grew up here. I went I was at a liberal arts college. I was at Harvard. It's in the water. You can't get away from it, especially if you're not aware of it, and I wasn't and so then I would so for example when you would give that answer to people then would that satisfy them would they then think okay. Yeah, that's fine. I think generally I'm trying to remember back. I think generally yes for the most part maybe because maybe the people that I was speaking to or conversing with on this topic and maybe you are too polite or to just you kind of nice to to push back too much on it and say well but there's so much they could have come back with me. Then I would have been totally at a loss. Like I wasn't nothing I could have really replied with right because the easily write the answer they could give me when I give this vs answer all it's my choice look at I'm exercising my favorite Choice here. This is why I wear it. They would say well if you chose to could you take it off? That's the immediate reply. I think they were just too. I think they were too nice to our or something. You know? Yeah. I don't remember anyone ever saying that back to me when I would say that but they could easily say well it says it's a choice in all great then if you choose to take it off you could do that. Right and my answer would have to be a very uncomfortable. No, I can't you know, yeah, so we put ourselves in this bind when We fall into this delusion of all it's my choice. Hijab is not mandatory. I'm choosing it you fall you fall you put yourself in the strap, right? Yeah. And so now then this comes to the explained that you would also you'd say. Hijab is all about freedom. And again, the way people will weigh sisters are saying this as well is that I've got the freedom. It's actually they're now saying I've got the freedom to choose the way I wear hijab so and like One has the freedom to you know, so you can wear that and I'll wear this, you know, so, all right. No one has zero. No one has the right to tell me how to dress. How dare you try to tell a woman how to dress. This is my body my choice my you know, my attire and my personal choices that I'm making here and I have the freedom to choose whatever I want to choose right? So you're absolutely right. This is exactly what we hear and unfortunately from non-muslims and Muslims. It's mostly sisters are catching on to the same line about how dare you tell almost the moment how to dress. How dare you yeah, and where there's this righteous indignation. But the reality is this and this is again, this is if I could tell my younger self, you know how to answer these questions. I would go back and take that bag and I would say instead this is not about Freedom why the answer of freedom is wrong is that there is no there's not this concept of Freedom. We don't care about that. What is happening here is this is straight obedience, right? Hmm. We're not free and It's similar to choice. We're not free to just make a choice. Jeb is not my choice. It is mandatory. It is not about freedom to choose what I want or how to cover my body or Revere and my body it is a command from my Lord. My Lord created me. He is my master. I am his sleeve. It's very straightforward. It's very simple, right? So when I am commanded to do something once I've submitted to the basic premise that I was created by my Lord Allah and he has the right he owns. Me and he will speak to me. However, he sees fit and he will tell me to do whatever things he thinks. You know, whatever thing is in his wisdom. He will command me to do and I as a sleeve since I've submitted already myself and I call myself a Muslim and I believe in Allah I will submit to anything that He commands because I know that it's for my own good. It's not for Allah. It's for me so we can go through. I don't know if you if we have the time but I can very quickly very briefly go into the command for hijab or we're just where it is. I think that would be really useful. I think yeah, let's do that. Yeah. So basically there are a few different parts in the whole Quran where Allah Subhan Allah that he talks about the idea of covering and promote and dress code for women and you know, and so the probably the most famous one is and Surat Al has AB, I have 59 Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala says, yeah you have to be equally as well as you can with an etiquette when we say in what we need you mean I like in India. maybe you know delicate Euro goes on but basically this is a problem the a lot of pain with Alex telling the prophet alayhi Salat or sell them all profit tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the Believers and all the believing women to cover their order to take their jeddak surgery bam Genevieve Ian how they're basically their outer garment and Rapid over themselves, so that If this is better for them so that they are known recognized as believing women and show that they are not harassed or molested. So that's kind of the big idea that I think we most often here as one of the justifications for why job is alleged another area that also comes up is a lot of pain without any sort of the node is 31. This is a much longer area, but basically and this is where a lot of judgment the system of Egypt. It's a whole system. It's about lowering the gays. It's about not acting or intermingling with the opposite gender. And then in that area also Allah says when you live in a home arena Julian and let them take their him out and cover their front door cover their chests with the order the front of their body with it referring to Muslim women. And one thing that we find is there's a Hadith in that is narrated by bukhari formula. Who in this Ayah. It says I used to say when this specific verse was revealed. Remember when this first came down the women of the sahaba and eloquent I drain will be pleased with all of them those women actually tore up specific kinds of fact, it's almost like a big sheet. It was like a big thing of fabric. They tore it up and faction did so that it was something that they could cover their whole body. They did that immediately as soon as the community in down so it's about obedience and it's about submitting to the command of your sure of your Creator and doing exactly what you're told because you were told it literally because it was said to you I unlock the Muslim woman who she wants to Avail of she you know, you know, let's think he particularly maybe younger sisters younger women. They think you know, I want to wear hijab. I know I've heard that it's obligatory. Now, what can happen is they then will they go online to find out? Okay. Is it obligatory? Do I need to and I want they may even be going sincere that I To find the evidences for the job. So they'll go online or there may be people Muslim personalities that they know of so, they mean go to the lecomba social media say, oh, let me get the answer from them. Now. They're completely, you know sincere and wanting to find out but it's I think when the fact that you mentioned and Handler you mentioned Scholars that there we need to go to people of knowledge to find out those answers and whoever Who understand the Hadith who understand the Quran? I think what we were as Muslim and we mustn't go to someone who maybe just sell to job as their job or is a whether it's a YouTube personality or any kind of Muslim celebrity. That's not who you go to for your Islamic knowledge and guidance. It's a PS have knowledge. That's who you go to who have studied. Yes. Absolutely. You can't just take your knowledge or in from just anybody because writing is so precious it is. It's you're going to base your entire life. Your entire life will revolve on this on whatever you learn of secret knowledge, right so you have to be very careful and very selective with your sources and make absolutely sure that you're getting your in your religious and Deanie obligatory Knowledge from places where it's appropriate. You can't just follow a YouTube blogger. You can't, you know, there's a lot of just there's a lot of people out there social media is huge and it is wide world. It's like any any Muslim faith. Feels that they can give an opinion give it give a view less than they even say they're giving a pin. They just give a view I think this I think that but that does in Islam we don't have this idea of I think you know, I put an English translation of an eye. I'll do my own. I think that's something that if that's one message. I would love listeners to to get from this is that we all me you everyone We need to be since Anna attention because this is another thing that can sometimes come at that. All my intention is good. But then okay, how are you going to enact the intent that action you have to you know, find the evidences and go to some with knowledge to know exactly. What is the Sun? How do I so the basic question? How do I wear hijab? What is hijab? You know go to as you've said, you know, you've given evidences then find out. Okay, what does it mean practically? How do I live by? That the whole and what is what is her job, you know holistically not just or should I wear the green one or the red one? It's just what what is it? Is it more than just that piece of fabric on my head and the answer is absolutely yes. It is. It's a lot more than that. It's very comprehensive and we have to know all of the different factors all of the different pieces of what hijab really means, right? So sometimes because you'll see certain certain sisters and brothers, you know, unfortunately, it's on its goes both ways, but, you know covered in a certain way may be wearing The Hema on her head, but not not living out the rest of the different pieces, right? So like intermingling with opposite gender and laughing flirting joking with people of the opposite gender and you know, we sometimes we see this but that is not full cage at this is a job is not one thing. So I think yeah, absolutely. You're right. We have to be very sincere and have our right Nia Our intention should be good and then follow that up with the actual procedural likes. Steps, how do I okay in my nigga is good. I want to please my master. I want to cover my body in the way that he's commanded and I want to follow her judgment all of its different parts. But who should I go to a huge Eddie like tutorial blog? Yeah more like hey Jed had you be makeup artist really like I had any makeup girl on YouTube and figure out what Jamie is from her because she can give me an answer. There's a lot of Ready Answers that she is giving out but you're absolutely right. We have to go to people of knowledge. And yeah and his job is not just you wear hijab and then Also is tight like you're about something covering your hair but your legs are showing because your jeans are very descriptive. They describe your body or your shirt is shows your figure. So one thing also that this reminds me of there's this callers will elaborate on the different conditions of hey Jeb and part of it is they'll say lay a shift what I also can't be Shafiq can't be transparent like your clothing because you can cover your body but your shirt or whatever your dress is see-through so you can see your skin underneath so it can't be transparent and it Also can't be descriptive but I also is it does not describe so it can't be so clingy or so tight that it basically describes the shape of your limbs. This is the shape of your arm. This is the shape of your leg. This is etcetera. So there's certain requirements and it is absolutely necessary to go out and seek them and figure out what they are and they're not that complicated. I don't want to make it seem get a job is impossible means that you have to figure out and sift through it's very simple. It's very straightforward. You just cover your body and you know, either with the facing Put it in the hands were just face and hands showing and you know, don't don't describe it it anyway, don't let it show you know with this like tight clothing or transparent clothing Etc. Yeah. So now one of the other things that people say and what was sisters will say is that hijab makes me feel empowered now to an extent I can I can understand that if like when I think of it, I think we'll so I So I used to work in high school and so for me it's going to work. And basically I was taking my looks were taken out of the equation. So people could value, you know, well, they got to see was my face and hands and I'm teaching them and so the rest of it didn't matter so now but that word empowerment nowadays. It means more doesn't it especially to when feminists use it. So what's your take on using the word? Moment when you speak of your job, what do you think of that? Right? Well empowerment. You're absolutely right. It's taken on a life of its own right empowerment by itself is not necessarily like a dirty word or none of these words really are specifically like divorced from all of their connotations, right and all of the assumptions that are built into them, but it's very similar if you say oh hey Jacob is empowering. I wear it because I'm an empowered strong independent woman and I'm proud of my religion and proud of this. I'm proud of that and I mean power and you know, that's why I wear hijab is very similar to saying I wear it because I'm choosing to this is my choice. I'm exercising my personal agency or this is freeing me. I'm free when I wear the hijab and this is why right? So it's very similar. It's all kind of along the same lines and they're all they're all ideas that stem from the underlying concept of liberalism. Liberty is what we should all be pursuing anything that we do should be with the Of attaining personal Liberty and personal freedom and everything that maximizes freedom for me and liberty for me is good. I do it anything that minimizes Liberty or freedom for me is bad and I don't do it, right that's what liberalism liberalism is. And so if you say oh hey job in Powers me. That's why I do it. That's that's very similar. It's another cop by really interesting because if someone says, oh hey, well if I can prove to you that it's not empowering if I can tell you. Oh like this is you're caving into the patriarchy or just your giving all your power away and you should get own your sexuality only or body and you can have power over Men by displaying like what you've got basically right? That's that's empowering. So hijab is D empowering you if I can so if I'm almost in wants to argue with me. She could she could say that to me, right? Yeah that what would I say back? I would be stumped again. It's another trap. So we have to be aware of all of these traps and get away from them. Don't don't set yourself up. Basically what you're doing. It's like volleyball right you're playing. There's someone has to set you up and then you You do the final hit right? So we can't set ourselves up for these things for someone to just come and knock it over knock knock us right over and say well if it's so empowering like and basically we can prove us wrong and say it's not actually in power for the very opposite is empowerment, especially in feminist terms in the feminist, you know take on things. So then what we have to say, oh, you're right. It's not really empowering. I guess I should take it off then write your sentence of up with the strap. Hmm. Well, yeah, that makes sense. Does that make sense? So then if to so if someone were to well, I'm sure people have that if someone were to ask you now. Okay? Why do you wear hijab? What would be your short sweet answer that you give to them? Yeah. My eyes are absolutely up. Stop rambling my answer and I was very short and very very sweet. There's no mention of choice or empowerment or freedom in it at all. I say I wear this because I'm a Muslim and I've been commanded by God to wear this. I wear because mostly means one who submits to God and having submitted to God. I've already submitted right every aspect of my life. So dress is only one tiny aspect. I've submitted much more than this. This is nothing. So I do as I'm commanded, you know, and this is what I've been committed. So I do it's very easy. I obey God because the thing that if someone pushes back on this because I totally am aware of the fact that this is weird, right? This is very weird. No one says things like obedience anymore, but obey God are Are you high I've odds you know, like we just we don't talk this way anymore and I'm fully aware of that obviously, but I think if since every human being is born on the fifth row, right? This is the fifth bottle is this instinctive like deeper like like intuition that we all have human beings were all born having this sense of just certain things, right they were in built. They were built into us and what we sometimes we can lose bits of our fifth row and our filter can be warped. Totally changed based on what we see what we do the kinds of things that we input right sensory input like our eyes what we look at our ears what we hear when we listen to what the situation is that we expose ourselves to that can work on Foods. All right and change but generally human beings will have at least a small piece of their feet are still intact. So if you're talking to a non-muslim and they don't believe in Allah, you don't believe it is Slim and you explain it. Like look, we all have to obey something we all have to worship something or someone with you can't get away from me. No human being can ever be truly free. It's simply not possible. It's impossible to say. Oh, I'm free. I'm totally I have this unfettered Freedom, right? It's not true. You're kidding yourself. This is a form of delusion self-delusion, right? So since you have to worship something or someone you have to obey something or someone I would rather I obey God. I want to worship God. I don't want to worship the other stuff that you can worship what other stuff you can ask right? What else can you worship? You can worship money. You can worship team and status. You can worship. How many likes you get on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter, right? You can worship your own looks like your vanity, right? You can be in love with that. And that's what that's what motivates you to act in certain ways are safe secure and things or dress in a certain way because of vanity right straight vanity ego. So do you can worship so many different things and I since I understand that this is just a fact of life we have to worship some As human beings I want to be actually free. Now. This is real Freedom. Not your fake, you know plastic freedom of all, I'm freeing that this is a job is freeing and that's why I wear no since I actually seek real true genuine freedom. I want to be free from the various things that people, you know can possibly worship. I want to worship the actual thing that is worthy of worship. The only deity that actually exists that is worthy of worship for human beings. And human beings should worship God and I think that will touch on the filter out that is inside of the human being that you are talking to right they recognized it and I'm not saying they were love it or they're instantly fall into such dancing. Oh my gosh, you're so right, but just I think it will touch a chord within it wasn't it? Because it's true. Yeah that that I can see that so that the left hair implants for taking the time to share your experience and knowledge with us. It's really if listeners would like to read Eat your work or find find you online. How where can they find you? I am like a super active online. I just I have a Facebook page that I started somewhat recently, I guess so it was just um Holland just if you search on Facebook, that's that's where I am. And also I should also add I have some articles of mine the longer pieces that I write all going to be articles that you'll find on Muslim skeptic.com. That's just it's too weird. Words Muslim skeptic.com and so you'll find articles on their written by me and the final thing is I do also teach classes at ls9 Institute, which is an Institute that my husband and I co-founded together earlier this year and actually in January of 2019. So if you are interested, it's basically an online platform. It's like a sweet where you can take you can enroll and become a student and take classes on actually a lot of things that we touched on today including the idea of Realism and liberalism is what it means what it entails and how it affects our lives. Like today was just a tiny sliver of how liberalism can affect even like your ideas of dress and what he did might need or might not me. So anyway, so it's just things really to that and in trouble so you can find me there what I'll do, I'll put links to the sites. You said I'll put them in the description in Charlotte and yet and great and so it shall its ugly head again and inshallah Hope to speak to you again soon as I can. I'll hide for having me. I really appreciate this opportunity and it was really it was just a pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much. That's okay. Assalamualaikum. Waalaikumsalam.

Do you like the podcast? Do you find the Islamic advice in the podcast helpful? Would you like to support my work? I had completely bought into the idea that “ hijab is a choice,” that it was all about “freedom,” that it made me “empowered.” So is hijab a choice or is that just a feminist slogan? Listen to the podcast here Muslim women at Harvard discuss is hijab a choice? I was interviewed by a fellow Egyptian Muslim girl at Harvard (let’s call her Sara) about my experience with hijab. It was a group interview setting where Sara interviewed me as well as a few of my Muslim friends, asking each of us why we abided by the rules of hijab. She published the result of the interview as an article in the campus newspaper, the Harvard Crimson. Unbeknownst to me at the time, it was a trap. I found this out only when I read her article after it was published. It turns out that Sara had a bone to pick with Muslims who insisted on following the Islamic guidelines for dress. She began her article with a story about how when she went back to Egypt for a summer visit once, an older Egyptian woman, a stranger, chastised her for wearing in public a short shirt that showed her midriff. Sara angrily recounted how she was incensed by this incident. How dare anyone tell her how to dress! In America, nobody would ever dare do such a thing! But in backwards Islamic-law-adhering countries like Egypt, apparently a random strange woman on the street had no qualms about violating personal autonomy and policing another woman’s dress or public behavior. The nerve! So the semester after her summer in Egypt, Sara found herself a group of Muslim girls at Harvard whom she could interview about why they dressed as they did. Her article was a scathing review of the oppressiveness of the Islamic dress code and the naivety of the females, like me, who followed it. At college I was a Muslim feminist Looking back at this incident, I am not as bothered by Sara’s vindictive setup of an interview as much as I am by my own incoherently feminist answers to the question of why I wore the hijab. I have to admit: I was in my feminist phase back then, much to my chagrin. I had completely bought into the idea that “the hijab is a choice,” that it was all about “freedom,” that it made me “empowered.” I wince now in embarrassment to remember that these cliché feminist talking points about hijab were part of my answer to her question of why I wear it. I proudly parroted back the stuff I’d heard other American Muslim women say hijab was about: Hijab is not mandatory—it is a choice! See, I’m not oppressed like you think! I chose to don this piece of fabric on my head out of my own free will and it is a sign of my unfettered personal agency. Hijab is all about freedom! Wearing it makes me free of the oppressive gaze of men. It gives me the freedom to go about my life in public unburdened with the sexualization that can result with showing too much skin. Covering my body in this way is a way for me to gain freedom, you see. Hijab makes me feel empowered! I wear it to show my independence and power as a proud Muslim woman who is not scared of others, of being different, or of expressing my ethnic or religious heritage! America is a melting pot!

Hi everyone. It's Rebecca Minkoff. And you're listening to Super women. And today. My guest is Rachel Blumenthal the founder of rockets of awesome in New York City. At least you see these kids in these incredible little silver jackets. They're so cute. I wish he made adult sizes. And Rachel has done an incredible job launching yet. Another company after some other very successful companies called Rock as a possum and she's here to share her story. Take a listen. All right, so I'm here with Rachel Blumenthal someone I get to call a friend but also the CEO and founder of rockets of awesome. Hi, it's so nice to be sitting this close to you this early in the morning and me and we sat close to each other last week, but I would get to do it twice. So we met how someone's asking me that on the way over. I can't remember if we met as moms who also had companies or if we met. I was but I think once like right after we had kids we met yes, I think so. It's always I think you said that if it's good, if you don't remember how you met them. I mean, it's like it's really like each other. Yes. Yeah. Tell me about your journey. You don't have to give me the long spiel, but tell me about what made you decide to be an entrepreneur. I never decide to be an entrepreneur had you asked me. I don't know how many years ago 10 15 years ago. I would have been like what I'm never gonna do that. I'm to risk adverse. Worse, I always figured I would climb the ladder go to business school and run. Somebody else's company some day. And did you have an idea of what kind of company? Yeah. No, I knew I mean I grew up on Cape Cod. I knew nothing of what careers existed in the world because I was surrounded by doctors and lawyers. And so when I landed in New York, I was incredibly overwhelmed by what the opportunities were and I also didn't know that you could have a like a job in fashion that people respected fashion. Always felt garment. Oh, no, it felt more like frivolous to me and very fancy and not taken seriously. And I also frankly just didn't know what the jobs were. But I knew I loved fashion. I knew that I liked organizing and arranging and like putting people together and things together and planning but I didn't know what that meant. And I was very fortunate to get my first job at YSL and the weight back it up you graduate college and then they're like, oh you okay. This is a Really really good story. So my friend were to do your at the time. She was like the lowly, you know assistant assistant a do you are and she sent a sample sale invite to a bunch of our friends and she cc'ed every single fashion publicist in New York. I love it when the hottest female of those and it's that moment where even back then you knew like wait you did that, but I was like, this is amazing. This is glad I don't know anybody. So I took every single email address I BCC them and I sent them my resume and people started responding. And a and so I had interviews at Chanel and Herrera and Todd's and YSL. And why do you think your resume stood out? I've no idea. I mean I was a kid from Cape Cod who was an economics and political science double major who had one internship at Seventeen magazine and one at AOL Time Warner in the book Division and didn't know a soul. I don't know but the woman who hired me at YSL told me that she hired me because I was from Massachusetts and she was from Boston. She likes that and I was like for once being a masshole benefit to you. Oh my God, that's amazing. I love that had nothing to do with your education or anything. It was just like, oh you're from the same state. She was like you seem really smart. I like that. You're from Massachusetts and I think that you can figure this out. Okay, and it was it was I was like, this is my dream job to be surrounded by beautiful sparkly pretty things all day. Oh my gosh, so it was the best job ever it. I was at the height of Tom Ford and the glamour of fashion. Did you do there? I was a PR assistant which meant that I did all of the men's and women's ready-to-wear an accessory placement in magazines. I worked with a magazine editors and then all the celebrity dressing and what was interesting was that my role I was in this incredibly creative environment, but my role wasn't creative and I'm very much a half creative half business person and I was really Lee missing sort of that creativity and I went to the bead stores on Sixth Avenue one weekend and I bought a bunch of materials and I used my dad's dental tools and I handmade a ring was no intention of anything other than I just needed like a creative outlet and I was wearing the ring at work at YSL and some editors that I was friends with from Lucky Magazine saw it and decided to feature me as a designer. I want to know look like it was very organic who again because Not a designer. It was gold wire with semi-precious stones. Basically the ones that have holes in it. So you could like Loop the wire through and I was very cluster e looking very handmade and it was sort of like right before costume jewelry went like when crazy and so it was very early on in that period of time and you know, when you work in PR you kind of know the BS of a lot of what gets into magazines and I think that probably one of my my greatest skills or reflexes is that I'm very opportunistic and I'm always interested in an opportunity that's presented to me and trying to figure out what's there and what could it be? And so I just went with it. I just completely faked it and said sure you can feature me and it ended up being this sort of like Spiral of moments that you're not prepared for where they featured me. They called for credit check and a Image means they need the price and the retailer and the name of your company. None of which I had and I said, I'm in the middle of a meeting. Can I call you back? And I spent the next two days going up and down Madison and Amsterdam and Columbus Avenue begging somebody to take my product on consignment. I don't even know how I knew in retrospect to ask him to do that. But I got a retailer to Take It On consignment and so I called them back and I said, it's Rachel Lee which is my first and middle name. I had no. Company and I made up the price and I gave them this retailer and that was my business and about a month later daily candy called and said we're going to feature you next week. What's your domain Joe me? And I mean, this was in 2003. There was no domain. So I called the guy hadn't seen so I was 13 from Hebrew school that I heard like made websites and he threw up a landing page in a photo and an email address and that was my website and daily candy head and they just put me on the But they were the only game in town back in 2000. They were amazing. They were I'm here, right? Yeah, we talked about that. So they put me on the map and I started doing Trunk shows and Henri Bendel when they were, you know height and bringing back so many memories. It's like we're on the same track. Yes. I'm in surgery those hideous trade shows that we did together. But you know, it was one of those moments where I just kept sort of like rolling with the punches to see what would happen and ultimately six months later shopbot picked me. Me up as one of their first jewelry designers. I mean, it was really that long ago and I had a couple of other small boutiques that I was selling to and you know, it was that moment where you don't really know what it can be. But you see that there is an inkling in a kernel of opportunity and somebody wants what you're offering and you I already had some customers and the beauty of that business of the time was that I had I didn't need to make any investment. I could go with my hundred dollars to the bead stores and Sixth Avenue. No hand make it myself sell it for $1,000 and go back with my profit to buy more materials. And so it was a very low-risk proposition for somebody who is 23 with no experience and no money. Did you sell it for $1,000 not individually, but the margins were amazing. Yes margins in costume jewelry incredible listening right now. Make sure you have a margin in your business means the dollars that you will make that you will profit when you sell an item. So You know, I just sort of went with it and I figured hey, I'll be back in six months when this doesn't work. And you know, ultimately I built that business over the course of eight years. We were in about 500 retailers worldwide. We did private label for American Eagle Target and J.Crew. I want to stop you there because when you start from literally hand making something and then suddenly you're a private label for all these big Brands. How did you even know where to go or set up your manufacturing base? Like, how did were you just Don't okay. I mean truly I was I really knew nothing. I was asking women that I would see buying materials at the bead stores. Like do you know anyone that makes jewelry? I really knew nothing but what made these companies find, you know, well that was many years later. Okay, so I didn't start doing private label for them until probably your six or seven. Okay, so very very late and but then you knew what you were doing. Yes. Okay. I mean, it's all kind of but you know, I think Think the I think that the summary of that business and how I think about it and apply it to anyone who starting a business or anything that I've done in the future is that there's such an importance of mitigating risk and being able to check questions that you have about your idea off of you know, check the boxes off of that piece of paper that you're that you're keeping along the way until you know that there's really something there to work with that's differentiated. That customers actually want before you jump off the bridge and at some point you have to jump off. You're never going to have all the answers. I still don't have the answers. But as many answers that you can sort of Define for yourself before you take those bigger risks will enable you to set yourself up for Success totally. Hi everybody. I want to tell you a little bit about the platform. I used to distribute this podcast. It's called anchor it is the easiest way to make a podcast and it gives you everything you need in one place for free, which is what you can use right now from your phone or your computer and it allows you to record edit your podcast. So it sounds great. They're also distribute your podcast for you. So you can be heard anywhere on Spotify Apple podcast Google podcasts and so many more And I guess what you can make money with no minimum listenership, which I can tell you is a game changer. So download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. 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So Cricket Circle was a product recommendation engine created product recommendations and content that was geared towards moms who were pregnant that were having babies and toddlers and helping them navigate the tens of thousands of Bee products that they were exposed to and figuring out how do I know which car seat and stroller and sippy cup and basically what we did was create a cliff notes for what to buy when you have a baby and we told people these are the three products and every category based on who you were and a very very simplistic algorithm would be right for you to make your life easier and we built a really great editorial content with a very defined voice that enabled us to build trust and loyalty with our consumer. What interesting about that moment in time was that it was a period in time where is acceptable to raise Venture Capital when you didn't know how you're going to monetize your business and a moment. When a great brand a great idea a great Market would enable you to interest investors and have them give you money and that's really exciting for an entrepreneur because you vision and you want to bring it to life and you need Capital to be able to do it and you know, we certainly had ideas of how we could monetize it but none of them were Just out to the point where you take on investment from somebody else and what we learned through the process of testing different monetization strategies is that one what we initially thought was going to be our monetization strategy was not going to be possible because as a business that was talking about hard Goods like car seats and strollers. We never wanted to hold inventory to compete with Amazon or back then diapers.com, but we certainly saw a path to being able to monetize on the product. That we were recommending and ultimately that didn't work out and we you know, as we're testing different strategies, we were testing something similar to rockets and that this idea that kids were outgrowing products and your kids were growing and we could put the products in your home before you realize that you needed them and make your life easier. There was a really interesting test that we did with about 200 customers that validated that assumption at the same time. We were also hearing from customers whose For growing that you know that moment where you think your car seat in your stroller decision is life-changing and if you make the wrong mind your kid is not going to go to college. Once you make those decisions you realize that you can like make the bib and the sippy cup decision. You have that confidence. It's true that actually happens but the ongoing pain point was that your kids are outgrowing their clothes and with a feverish pace and I mean, I remember the first time I was like wait the in nothing in the stress or fatigue. It's the entire dresser. How's that possible? They have a meltdown? Yeah, I won't go to school. How is that possible? And so recognizing that there was actually a greater longer term pain point for our customer in the fact that they needed new kids clothes very frequently. There wasn't great style at a great value point in the market and there was an opportunity to serve that consumer. And so before you pivoted is there that moment when you're like I took people's Your Capital they took a risk. You took a risk. That didn't work. Sorry guys. I'm going to go onto something new or do you say hey, I have a new idea. Let's pivot like had it. How do you go through that? Because I feel like a lot of people take money and then if it doesn't work, they're like fuck. Yeah. See you first hit this moment of holy shit. This is really bad. Like what I what I thought I was going to do with their money and how this is going to materialize is is not physically possible. That's not even an option on the table. All anymore and you know, I guess I want to say that, you know, hopefully the best entrepreneurs know what to do. You know, it's like you make lemonade out of lemons, but you know what to do in those moments where you say? Alright? Well, like get back on the horse and like let's figure it out. Like what are you going to do? Right and I think the benefit for me was that we had sort of two amazing propositions in front of us one was that we could deliver the service of products in your home at the right time some sort of subscription type service or a customer, but we also have this Opportunity around kids clothes and the hardest moment for me was actually that personal moment where you have to say. This was my vision. This is what I believed in. This is what I've been like on my soapbox for for the last, you know, two years or whatever. It might be. Am I okay turning my back and saying, you know, I still really believe in this business and this Vision, but it's not possible or it's not best for all the constituents involved and there's a better opportunity for ahead of us. Us that is better for most and making that decision was probably even harder than having to tell my investors that we were Switching gears. But really, you know, I think it's such a development opportunity and growth opportunity for an entrepreneur because really at that point you have to step outside yourself and say you have people that you're responsible for that. You need to be making decisions for versus just for yourself and so being able to make that decision and certainly along those lines, you know, there are investors. We're really close to the process. So it wasn't sort of new information that one day. We're just received an email. They were certainly part of the process and actually incredibly helpful in the process. But you know acknowledging that the vision and the plan like it didn't work and we're on to the next plan right? And so they stuck in there for the next plan. Somebody said they did which is exciting and you know, it's such an interesting process because and I've spoken to so many investors along the way because you know when you read Ray's seed Capital the really what people are investing in its are saying I believe in you I believe in this category, I believe in this general idea, but really, I've no idea what you're going to go and do with this money. I just know that I bought in to you in this category and you're starting to see a shift from that series see investment to a series a investment where by a they're like, so why aren't you doing what you said you were going to do with the money and why aren't we seeing the metrics in the You know the progress of above and it's like we're on a journey like it's an idea and now we have to go on the Journey of actually unpacking the idea and building it and really understanding how it's going to materialize based on feedback from customers. Like you can't just build it in a bubble. Right? And so definitely the process of the growth of understanding what it means to raise capital and setting expectations with investors along the way has been very eye-opening for me. So one of the things you talk about is being a CEO a mother a wife doesn't mean you can't make mistakes and while you're celebrating your life with kids is not always picture. Perfect. So will you discuss any sort of moments of that occurring every day? Yeah, I mean nothing nothing nothing ever goes to plan and I think that I think actually the moments that I've been most proud of or when I fuck up so So bad that I can actually really enjoy those moments that to me feels like success now so talk, how do you enjoy it when you mess up really bad? So and not that this is like the world ends. But you know, like when you like I've sent my babysitter to go pick up like one of my kids at school and they're not there and my babysitter will be like so, you know Griffin's not here today is everything. Okay, and I'm like, oh, yeah. He didn't go to school. He was sick. Sorry. You just keep going on with your day. And it's those moments where you can be like, oh my God, I'm such like I'm such a bad mom or like why don't I have it together or how could you drop the ball like that? And you know Neil, my husband has at times been like are you? Okay and I actually find those moments to be the most gratifying because I'm like, yeah, I'm actually great like I am okay with making mistakes when 5 years ago 10 years ago. I would have been so hard on myself and seeing that as such failure now. I actually see that as great growth. Where you don't sweat the small things anymore and you really prioritize. Yep. I wish that's advice. I could have given myself because I remember one mistake back in the day seemed like the world was ending totally and now it's like oh, that's it. My kid. My kid didn't get picked up from school yesterday and she was like 6:15 and I was like, all right, like we're good life will continue to I mean, I wasn't her. Yeah. I remember like used to having such anxiety when I would open my email on my phone with this liked. Said that I was going to have emails in their eye that something something bad happened. And by the way like you get ten of those a day, but it feels like such growth now to be like, oh, I can't wait to see what bad habits like I can handle it now my really to be able to develop that resilience and that confidence is that feels like gross to me now totally so you are married to an entrepreneur not that you know any differently because he Your first and only husband. Do you laughs are there challenges with two entrepreneurs in the house or like do you not talk about work like the Gavin and I usually won't talk about work because he gets upset sometimes that I don't ask about like his newest commercial and I'm like do you care about the newest leather bag that I came out with? No, let's focus on our children. So do you do you have those moments or is it kind of like we just worked all day? Let's just not. Yeah, I think it's a balance. I would say that I actually feel incredibly grateful that were both entrepreneurs because we really understand each other's lives. We understand how busy the schedule is our everyday and all the demands and the expectations and you know for us while we're in different Industries and different stages of our business. There's a lot of similarities in terms of the way. We work with investors or the way that we build out our orgs or work with our teams and There's so much shared learnings there and but I would say beyond the learnings and Beyond the benefits of being able to say. Hey like we're doing this. Like how did you guys do it or is there someone in your company that I can speak to about this thing that we're trying to figure out or oh my God, this is so frustrating and like, you know, what do you think? I think the fact that we are living similar lives. We appreciate it. Just so naturally there's no guilt Associated and I've seen so many those who build companies where the husband you know is not an entrepreneur and they really resent the fact that you know, they're either spending a lot of money and not making money yet or they're never available or work is like the second, you know husband or child and building a company, you know, it's so freaking hard to be able to eliminate as much additional pressure or resentment out of your life is such a gift and so Actually, I think it's I think we're really lucky and it just sort of happened that way but it makes things easier actually. Yeah, totally. So what advice would you give to young entrepreneurs starting out? Because I mean we can talk all day about how hard it is, but I feel like it's like childbirth until you've gone through it. You're like, why didn't anyone tell me that that was going to be the most painful thing I ever did like we did tell you it sucks. Yeah. I know. I sometimes I sometimes call myself a masochist because like after you've done it like You did it once and then you did it again. And again like what's wrong with you? I think the number one thing and it you know, it's such a cliche. But the number one thing is to be passionate. You cannot build a business successfully that you are not passionate about personally and that you have not personally experienced the pain point because you have to care more than anybody else in the room and in those moments where you have to make really tough decisions in you know, split-second decisions you have to get into the Core and sort of the psychological mindset of the customer and of why you started the company and if you're not passionate about it, you can't go there totally. So I want to talk about Gemma for a second because she's the star of your Instagram. How have you approached motherhood? You know, I love because I feel like I'm this way you have just let her be this free incredible spirit and that's my Approach with my daughter, but when women have, you know been taught to You know sort of in this box what what made you just go Gemma Unleashed so gemma's three-and-a-half. She is the happiest most spirited human being on the planet. Like I just want to bottle her joy and sell it because it's it's so it's so inspiring but you know, it's interesting because I think that the way that I've thought about raising my kids is actually similar to what motivated me to start rockets and that kids are so weird and so quirky and so unaware of their surroundings and so unselfconscious and they are the most confident human beings and they're so magical and we have to do everything we can to empower them and give them the freedom to just be who they are. And you know, I have to say well I definitely made an effort to not not sort of enforce my type-a My children from like the moment. I became pregnant like I never read a single book about being pregnant or about parenting because I didn't want the rigidity of like having it to be a certain way. I really wanted to follow their lead beyond the fact that like, I just want them to take the lead and them to be their most confident and selves. I actually find it like selfishly really freeing because there's something magical about kids that like enables you they give you the permission to let on your guard they give you the permission to be a kid again and to be weird and like do gross things and to not be sort of that that like quote-unquote parent that you're supposed to be and that's really freeing and it's really fun to do with your kids and not that it's every moment and every day but the moments you can very strategically say like, all right, like let's just do this and follow their lead. It's really empowering. I love what you said the other They said that if you could build a day around everything that they wanted to do like you want to eat you no chocolate for breakfast or you want like I'm doing that with my kids. It's so fun to let them take the lead and honestly, I think that selfishly it's incredibly freeing to just not have to be like so on top of it and you know, it's funny. I think I think because our lives are so demanding and all parents lives are demanding. I don't think it's just somebody who's working but I think because my life is so manding that I almost cherish those moments where I can like kind of like screw-up and not be like the parent and sometimes Neil will be like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I just need a break. Like I just like need to like be and like being like let the kids be and not have to be so on top of it totally so I know you mentioned it and I was going to get there but what is Rockets of awesome and how does someone find out about you Rockets of awesome is a really really awesome kids clothing brand and this was your third. Your third this is my third. Yes, and and and really the idea being is that says parents should have access to really cool stylish kids clothes that aren't expensive and we should have a brand and a company that is living and breathing of making our lives as parents easier. And so everything we do is oriented around making the parents life easier and making sure that we're delivering the parents and the kids both love so it's rocket. It's of awesome.com and boys and girls kids clothes sizes three to twelve prices 16 to thirty eight dollars. So really accessible and Cool Stuff awesome. So I always love to ask every one of my guess. What would we be surprised to know about you and I have a son I've said everything from sometimes. My shower is a wet wipe to I've cured someone's pink eye with my breast milk. It doesn't have to be Frozen like I'm sharing with you, but you know God I wish I could think of something that's like gross and weird, but I was a competitive figure. Skater. Wow, I lived in a ring that my entire childhood and in the Summers. I trained at the same facility as Nancy Kerrigan and so I was there for the first attempt that Tonya Harding Scandal. I wish you could have had a cameo and I know I know that was like truly my childhood. Wow, amazing. Cool. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. That was Rachel Blumenthal if you want to know more about her you can. Low at Rockets of awesome or had to her site Rockets of awesome.com or for hilarious personal stories of her daughter and all of her amazing antics. You can follow her at the rlb.

 The fashion world was the last place Rachel Blumenthal envisioned her career. Growing up on Cape Cod surrounded by adults with “practical” careers, it never occurred to her that a job in fashion might be a viable option. However, when a series of internships and a stroke of luck landed her a job at Yves Saint Laurent, Rachel found herself in the midst of it all. Despite the fact that she was immersed in a creative environment, the job itself was lacking in that aspect, and on a whim Rachel made herself a ring for fun. That ring was noticed by friends who worked at a magazine, and with just one product she was asked to be featured as a designer in the publication. Overnight she was forced to create a legitimate company, find a buyer and create a website or risk losing the feature. This type of resourcefulness laid the groundwork for what became an incredibly successful jewelry line, Rachel Leigh, and what led to multiple ventures beyond that, most recently, Rockets of Awesome, a subscription-based clothing line for children. Here Rachel discusses her creativity, her work ethic, and how passionate drive is the key to a successful business. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. [04:21] Mitigating risk when starting a business. [09:31] Giving yourself grace when making mistakes. [18:37] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support

You're listening to fit processions were parallel coaching episode number five. Hi. I'm Neil Bergman and in today's podcast myself and heylia talking about why A and P is important. So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified learn with Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence with the first to say that learning and being a fitpro doesn't have to be hard work and that With the right structure support and resources, you can become a confident and knowledgeable business professional that is dedicated to more. So how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a fifth row? This is the fit processions podcast with parallel coaching. It's a tag team effort today. I'm Neil. Here's Haley. Hello. Hello, and on all of our previous episodes where we've tag-teamed. We've been in two different places, but today sitting to the right of me you can see if you're watching on YouTube. Here is the lovely pay you back. There we go. So, Is all about revision and understanding anatomy and physiology. So every week every Thursday, we drop a new episode all about revision to kick start your studies get you on your way and hopefully add a bit more structure and understanding the reasons why it's important to know outside of just the exam and I think that's the main message for today Haley. Absolutely. Yeah. So about understanding Anatomy is not just part of your assessment that you have to do as part of your your exams as part of becoming a fitness professional but also why it's important to refresh that knowledge and hold onto that knowledge so that you can really truly be that outstanding coach that we talking about in all of these fit processions. So over the last I'm going to save more so the last four or five years since we've had the revision bootcamps. We've seen almost 7,000 people come through the boot camps to challenge their revision to Find that final understanding the missing links to their their knowledge. And one thing I've seen is a trend is it's all about passing the exam which I get it. It's important is super important. You've got to get 70% or above the focus becomes on. How do I get 70% of above? How do I get the 28 hour 40 and then I'm done. I've passed I've got my qualification and now I can just move on and jump into the funky sexy stuff working with a client dishing out exercises burpees here. Bench presses over there, but I'm going to say I'm going to say we drop that for understanding of how anatomy and physiology assist in getting the client the goal. Yeah, and I totally understand that Viewpoint because it can let it can feel so scary and of negative you're winding up to this exam and yet the thing the other side of them of them the nice green grass on the other side is being able to have that fun time with your clients and that Go and start your career and it feels like this horrible color obstacle that you've just got to get over and therefore people don't generally end up enjoying learning about. Yeah, that's the point body. Yeah, and then don't necessarily want to hold on to that because it just reminds them of cramming for the exam and the likelihood is you know, I've mentioned it on a number of podcast certainly in his first week, but a lot of people get into fitness because they've had their own body transformation. They've maybe you're listening you've dropped a lot of weight or you've changed your physique or you've gained more confidence or or you've changed your State of Mind mental health and tackled depression anxiety and stress and what not, you know exercise means something different for everybody because of that you've had your own transformation and you feel that you can go on and assist other people but must have or have similar problems to what you had and you know, you can help them and at that point, I don't think those were I'd certainly didn't I certainly didn't have a consideration, but I'd have to learn anatomy and physiology. I'll be really honest. I think I thought it was just gonna be lots of exercises that I'm just gonna learn all the different exercise and someone tout would tell me the order to do them in four different goals or something and suddenly, you know, the manual drops on a doorstep as this big fart and you know, we send manuals out every week and Learners phone up and you know feel a little bit overwhelmed of like, oh my god, really? I didn't I didn't consider this to be the case. It can feel a bit overwhelming especially then thought you going to get assessed on as an exam and Then like I said in becomes this blot that you kind of just want to ignore and not feel like you have to learn that fully and take it on board to sometimes. I think the importance of it is missed. So I want to kick-start and understand this episode is all about why is a and py is anatomy and physiology important not just for the exam but past that as well. Yeah, and then at the end of the episode, I got a revision power hour, so I then I've got five minutes where I'm going to guide your revision and fully Supercharge your efforts time energy and focus inside the revision. I forgot about that. Yeah, here we go. I love about that revision power that you're doing at the end is that it's not just if you're preparing for an exam, but if you need to stay focused in your studies regardless, even if it's not for your AP exam you can use the same format the whole way through so you can even if you're not doing your exam still stick around for that power our because it'll be really efficient from okay. Yeah. Maybe you're doing your course El AP. Us worksheets maybe you're doing your planning documents, maybe your your practical assessment but it's 60 Minutes or 30 minutes is half a power 6 minutes as a full power our where you can fully get into the nitty-gritty and have focus and I'm going to introduce you to a Time technique to hack your mind. So you stay focused. So I want to know Haley we can't just jump straight into Y is A&P important and that's being physiology without understanding what and that Physiology is sick and boy based on that Haley is the main presenter for all of our boot camps her understanding of anatomy and physiology is phenomenal. So I'm going to pass it over to you. Thanks. So and that's when physiology sounds just like some long complicated words that over time. We just end up linking to meaning something about the body but in when you break it down in real simple terms and that means the study of the structure and relationship with body parts. So structure wise it could be to learn about the long bone of the femur and the fact that you've got tibia and fibula as well, but the relationship between those two parts being the knee joint. So that's the anatomy side. But physiology is then study of the function. Like what does that allow us to do the fact that we've got these bones and that joint. What does that allow us to do in terms of the body moving through space in terms of being able to Move, so yeah, and that to me is more about the structure and relationship and Physiology is more about the function of body parts and as a whole and how the body comes together as a whole. So another example Haley just used FEMA over the long bone in the upper leg the knee joint and member two bones in the lower leg. You could say well take the humerus. For example in the arm. That would be the anatomy the long bone and then you've got the ulna and radius and together. They create the elbow joint, which is a hinge joint. So now we're talking about the anatomy in the relationship of those bones and our physiology is for function. So what can the hinge joint do what plane of movement can it move through and axis of movement hundred percent on that? So we're skipping between some level 2 and level 3 knowledge here. That's okay. We're going to we're going to dial in each one of these processes very shortly or systems within the body, but just know that the anatomy is for structure. Relationship of a body parts, well as a physiologist for studying function of those body parts as a whole nice. Okay. So we've used for skeletal system there. Let's look at the muscular system very quickly. Give me a quick example. What is the anatomy and physiology of save a muscular system. So like the structure of a muscle would include understanding that sliding filament theory where you've got your endomysium and your muscle fibers and your classical and your perimysium. So all these different layers. Layers within the muscle itself physiology structure physiology is them how that allows you to have a concentric and eccentric contraction. So a shortening contraction and that lengthening contraction. So that gives Wicked I love it. So that's what anatomy and physiology is okay and and maybe in the power you could go through the anatomy and physiology of all of the subsystems of the body. So the anatomy of the heart and therefore the function of the heart. I'm not to me of the save a respiratory system and the function of the respiratory system. We've given you the muscles and the rascally to one's for free here. You could go through the the anatomy of the nervous system and therefore the function of the nervous system, but moment you understand just the anatomy of the system and the function of the system. Suddenly, I guarantee I guarantee you'll have like a penny drop light bulb moment and a lot more things will make sense because you're talking about the And the function of them absolutely. So the why why is it important and I came up with a wicked analogy don't you wanna know what else to do this? You know what I told Haley, I mean it is so why is anatomy physiology important and I said to Haley early as we're planning this episode is kind of like being a car and a car mechanic. So imagine a car mechanic having no understanding or knowledge of a parts or workings of the car I got Haley a question for you, if you knew your mechanic had no understanding or no knowledge of the parts of a workings of a car. Would you let him or her work on your car? I would let them have a banger loan my prized possession of car. No way. No way. It's that is a guaranteed. No. No, isn't it? You're not going to let him have a gun. Okay, you're not gonna let him anywhere near them because you know, you're not going to be safe to drive and you know, it's not going to be effective because you know, you're just going to be pouring. Money down the drain you're going to have to go to another mechanic later on you might as well do it yourself. If you have the same amount of knowledge. So this is the thing. So in order to adequately care and guide and be the coach for you want to be and guide someone towards a specific goal. You must understand the human body just like for car mechanic must understand for parts and workings of a car. Yes. Okay a stick. I love that analogy just Have to relate to that so final point would be it's like having an owner's manual for the body. So learning anatomy and physiology for your own body is like having one of those Haynes owner manual. I was trying to remember the name is Haley is Haynes. I was that a arac. I didn't know ownership manual. So you've got that that clear understanding and I suppose if you open up an anatomy and physiology book like a good one that shows all the The different systems in the body. It is kind of a bit like a manual for the body and understanding what's in it and I think when you relate that information to them what you learn in the rest of your Fitness knowledge, then it becomes something really useful 16 with the with the car and the mechanic, you know you I'm not a mechanic. I know nothing about cars, but I do know that the steering wheel has an impact on the wheels. Yes and the wheels. Have an impact on my safety. No, I do understand that. I can't move without the accelerator and Clutch & Gear and give whatever cotton socks. This is about as good as my my understanding of the project. Yeah, so I must understand the parts of a car and now the workings of them and how the relationship between the steering wheel and the front wheels over. The driving Wheels actually come together to get you from A to B. I love this analogy because this is we're really talking about how these parts and systems interact with each other. So when we look at the body the body has a number of it's all anatomy and physiology but a number of roles and functions affect all of the other body systems. So I know I'm awful in now, but really it's great. The main thing I want to highlight is, you know, like for Carver steering wheel effects for Wills. Okay, so my heart affects how I feel in the legs when I'm running. Yes, or yes. Okay. So all of these system has a knock-on effect on the other is completely completely anything you can add on to that one because you're like the A&P Queen here and just sure thanks. Yeah. So with each system reflecting the other system. I think that's probably the main part of the physiology part of anatomy and physiology that you need to Aware as a fitpro and using that information with your clients. So if you see your client moving in a certain way, they come to you through your first consultation with them you're looking for Clues to find out how they've been treating their body or in Neil's metaphor of the car mechanic your that mechanics at they're doing a diagnostic of that car finding out what's going on. And as you do that diagnostic you're looking for the relationship between things you're looking for Clues. Used to take they've been ragging this car really badly or they've been running it with no fuel. They put the wrong fuel in the tank or they've been running with a different light out of alignment and you can then see these just by being really understanding of the body and you can actually see this in a really good PT compare. Well, that's probably a bit harsh. But if you see somebody who is a great PT somebody that would charge maybe a lot more than other PT's as well. You would expect to achieve to receive a certain amount of Knowledge from them or that a certain amount of knowledge went into that same with the car mechanic. I know you know somebody that is that charges a lot as a car mechanic in terms of the type of car that he works on his very specialist type of car and as a result, he finally choose all the smallest little parts and make sure that they all relate to each other perfectly. That you get the result you need in that car with that I take from all of that really is that when you take the car to the mechanic mechanic the first 30 minutes or first hour or first couple of hours potentially, even the first day depending on what's wrong with it, but car mechanic is kind of figuring out what the hell is wrong with this car. It's kind of like he's been given a half completed Sudoku puzzle and he's got a reverse engineer all of the problems in the puzzle. In order to move on does that make sense? Yeah, so that will come mechanic has to really diagnose and find out what this has happened and that caused that to happen and that caused this to happen and therefore that's why we're in this particular place right. Now. The situation is X these are facts. This is the environment within and because we're here we can now move forwards and I think that's what makes an outstanding Fitness professional personal trainer. Yoga Pilates teacher whatever is when a client walks in your thinking. Okay, let's not just jump Straight Into Fitness. Because that's what they're expecting the might expect in, right? Yeah get going on exercise. But reality is I've got to figure out what are all of the body's systems and that's me parts of our body and the function of physiology what's happened in the last let's say 30 days free months six months nine months a year five years what's happened in the last 10 years to bring this person to me today and say this is for state of the anatomy and physiology and reverse-engineer it and say, you know, You're inactive sedentary lifestyle has caused your heart and lungs to be here. You're a spiritual systems for hear your skeletal system and functions. Be here your joint and Joint actions to be here x y&z, and I'm going to do a variety of consultations and body mot s so to fully understand what is the state of the clients and at in physiology in order to move forward because without knowing that you're ready without knowing that you don't know where you are. Therefore you cannot start. Let's go. With the call analogy, it would be like me driving. We live down in Plymouth and our main academies in young Keynes. It would be like me trying to get to Milton Keynes but not knowing where I start. Yes, so I have to find a start point in the clients anatomy and physiology in order to get to their goal. Now the clients always going to turn up and say I want to lose weight. I want to do this Park Runaway want to do this Ultra Runner I want to do this obstacle course race. So I want to do is powerlifting show. I want to get on stage or I've got a wedding to go to I want to go on holiday in take my shirt off. We they know what they want at surface level at the end, but we don't know and they don't fully know the facts of where they start and this is my point. I suppose I want to really drive home of why it's important because if you don't know where the anatomy physiology starts we cannot move forwards towards the goal purely because we have to adapt each one of these systems within the body server. The heart and lungs were a spiritual system a skeletal system, but the joints for muscular system the nervous system the energy systems over a period of time to specifically adapt towards for gold absolutely boom. Boom. Boom. So I want to pass Haley over and talk about what is your ways? You can literally just going to summarize that the most important thing that Neil spoke about there is the importance of that diagnostic that importance of that mot at the beginning among yourselves up car mechanic. You've got to find out where they are now so you can map that to where they want to go. So, where is that a where is their point B and then you can start looking at programming so really and that's being physiology is the precursor the thing that happens before any planning can even happen. Yes. So amazed so for precursor before any planning can happen. So planning being verb, you know, what intervals you're going to give them what training systems you're going to give them. Sets reps Tempo time range of movement rest volume you're going to give up and the last thing that I say the last thing to actually go into the this plan for the client is what exercise are they going to do yet? I'm gonna put it out there and I was guilty of this for first thing. I thought about as being a PT was what exercise my going to give them and I'm going to say I'm going to be the first to say the exercises almost there is a irrelevant if I get get the understanding of what Anatomy physiology systems do I need to adapt I can now plan in a much smarter way. And then the last thing to be kind of programmed in is the exercise. So amazing. Whoop There we go. What you're talking about. There is adaptations adaptations adaptations in is why we do training is the only reason why our clients are doing a plan is the only reason why we may have got a result. Through exercising in anything else that we've done ourselves. Our body has adapted over a period of time to a specific demand. So we've gone from one state to another state so our clients gone from one state in their body, whereby they've maybe been inactive sedentary deconditioned a little bit overweight a little few extra pounds around the belly find it tough to lift weights from selves find it tough to even get up a chair little bit low back pain. Pain, that's one state all the way through to say 12 weeks or 16 weeks later. The new state is the can give out the chair the complete opposite to all of that. So we've specifically adapted from A to B. Yes, and that's why that's why we need to know a exactly you need to know and it's also links into a principle called the said principle if you haven't heard of this before then prick your ears up so specific adaptation to imposed mmm. Armed is a pricked up said principle now. It sounds a little bit wordy doesn't it? But what it means is that there's because it is a word it's a word there is an imposed demanding really sarcastic. So we impose a demand on our body. Let's say that we're going for a run and we get to a certain level of overload. It challenges us and as a result of challenging us, we've put a demand on our body with stress. Is that Ali as a result our body will specifically adapt our heart our circulatory system our respiratory system our muscles our network of capillaries around all our muscles. It will make our bones stronger or make our joint stronger Energy System will change our nervous system will change everything will change. So every single system in the anatomy of our body will change and the function of that will improve. Yeah better exactly and then A result you can now go out for a run and go faster fitter or further as a result. So you end up progressing and that progression is all a result of that specific adaptation to imposed demand and the other sides of that is said specific adaptations would impose them on still works for an inactive or deconditioned client? So let's say for example a client has been a classic 95 office job for the last three years and may turn up to you the first time I've ever been In the gym, the specific adaptation to an imposed demand has been in activity triple flexed low heart rates all day low BMR or lower BMR, maybe poor quality sleep those have been the demands on the body for three years. And that's why they turn up to you with a fact that they present over status of their body that day. So I want to kind of add my two pence in there and if we talk about said being about Progression inside planning actually said is happening all the time. I'm sitting down right now recording this. Yep in October 2009 teen and the demand on my body is very low and that's having an impact on my heart circulatory system respiratory system circulatory system joint system nervous system muscular system Energy System. Yeah, and and that if I continue that yeah, that's what I'm going to be. Become amazing. Okay, so I need to understand. This is why it's important. I need to understand where I've come from to save right? My status is here right now. Where am I moving too? And now I can plan appropriately inside my percentage of maximum heart rates or rpe scale on cardiovascular percentages of resistance within say endurance hypertrophy strength and power. Yeah. I can look at my core programming. I can look at my stretching programming and If I Implement these into a weak plan, what am I going to specifically adapt? What is the focus? What is the focus what is wrong thing to adapt? How do I want this thing to adapt? So if my client has a weight loss goal, what cardiovascular intensities and resistance intensities. Do I need to get to right now in the next three to four weeks based on where they start in order to see? See and adaptation now, here's a final point before we jump into revision Power Hour is not jumping into specific adaptation too heavy or too fast and what I mean by that is so many clients star in January and by the 1st of February then nowhere to be seen in the gym. Yeah their adherence or more. So I believe their enjoyment to exercise just isn't there. Yeah, totally because they've pushed beyond that of what their He is capable of too early and if we enjoy it, we're more likely to do it. And the more we are do it and be a deer to it. For more adaptation takes place. I'm going to add to that that frequency and adherence is like 90% of the work if they can keep that going over a long period of time and have a much greater effect. Even if they only do a small amount every time for a long period of time it's much better accumulative effect than if they do one really massive workout. And never go back completely. I think we could keep talking for hours and hours and hours on this and this is what all of the net that the next revision episodes all about. So every Thursday we drop one, but with that said if you do have questions drop them Below on whatever Channel you're watching this on the exam or app and reach out to us, you can get us on info at parallel - coaching dot code at UK go over to parallel coaching dot code at UK and there's so many blogs. Like 500 revision or training blogs where now our YouTube channels got three hundred-plus videos on for helped thousands of people all over the world. The key point is reach out. We're here to help. It doesn't matter whether you're with another training provider or with us. We really qualify for already qualified. I think that's a wicked point. We want you to reach your full potential and I genuinely believe if we understand anatomy and physiology a slightly deeper level. We're not talking about becoming doctors here. No, okay, then then you will be able to pass that on to your client and see outstanding results. So with no further Ado, let's go over to the revision power our here we go. Here we go. So how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a big bro? This is the pit processions podcast with parallel coaching. So let's start with your plan set a timer on your phone for free minutes and we're going to answer four key questions question. Number one what specific topic will Revised in the next 20 minutes, for example, if you're on your level 3 and that's mean physiology. You might choose module one for heart and circulatory system next question 2. What are the three to five buzzing questions you have about this topic grab a notepad and pen and write down your three to five questions now moving on to question 3. What mode of learning will you use? Is this going to be your manual? 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FitPro Sessions Podcast Episode 005 Revision – Why anatomy and physiology is important Here’s what we talked about on today’s FitPro Sessions Podcast Today’s podcast episode is our FIRST revision session where Neale and I explore why Anatomy and Physiology is important for all fitness professionals. We unpick why anatomy is important for planning and coaching clients, way beyond just the level 3 anatomy and physiology exam Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes: Timestamps: 01:00 Introduction to today’s FitPro Session 02:00 Is anatomy knowledge only needed for the exams? 04:00 “We didnt think becoming a Fit Pro would include Anatomy and Physiology” 05:00 Intro to the Power Hour at the end of the episode 06:10 What is Anatomy? What is Physiology? 09:30 Why anatomy and physiology is important? 09:45 “If you knew your car mechanic had no understanding of the parts or the workings of the car – would you let them work on your car?” 11:00 “Knowing Anatomy and Physiology is like having a Hanes Ownership Manual for your own body” 13:30 The importance of knowing how the body moves 15:40 Diagnosing the problems just like a car mechanic 18:40 “Anatomy and Physiology is the pre-cursor before ANY planning can happen” 20:00 Specific Adaptation to an Imposed Demand – changing the state of your client 22:50 SAID principle for regression and progression 25:00 “Frequency and Adherence is 90% of the work” 25:30 Get in touch and learn more with us 26:40 The start of the Revision Power Hour Learn more from Parallel Coaching : Join the Parallel Coaching Inner Circle HERE Access all of the other FitPro Sessions Podcast Episodes HERE Get help with your revision with our revision mastery bootcamps: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-revision-courses Download Free Mock questions here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-mock-questions Check out what learners are saying: HERE Like us on Facebook: HERE Follow us on Instagram: HERE Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: HERE --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fitpro-sessions/message

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Let the chips fall where they may that's me. I could be wrong and do terrible tragedy. This is just stuff. I did lose a lot of versatile solution for modern living fuck. You're right intransitive. What things you own end up owning you do what you like? This is the lightning junkies podcast with your host jazz trumpet lesson on this 21st episode of the podcast. We have 21 is enough. He is building the open source project for a lightning ATM and this episode we go through the Journey of a lightning ATM and we also Explore the personal philosophy of 21 and how it's related to his being a digital Nomad. I really enjoyed recording this podcast because it kind of serves as a precursor to My Philosophy psychedelics religion Etc podcast that I'm going to be launching soon. In fact, I'm ready to announce that I'm going to be launching it in February again with the tentative title. What is real patient zero is going to be someone with in Bitcoin and lightning that has some very interesting views that he would like to share. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a very weird episode with a second episode being related to psychedelics. And again heading it being someone from within the Bitcoin Community quote-unquote. Eventually. I do hope to get interviews with people outside of Bitcoin crypto and you know this entire a little bubble that we live in the future goal of which would be to create content on Evening junkies that would appeal to new be users and advertise that content on the what is real podcast. This would also work in Reverse as well since I would obviously advertise my other what is real podcast here on Lightning junkies just so you listeners out there can get a deeper understanding of the things that I'm curious about now and into the future you might be wondering why I had that fight club. Clip at the very beginning of the episode. I happened to find it relevant to the subject matter that 21 and I happen to get into speaking of which let's go ahead and jump into this episode. I've talked along and I would like to go ahead and welcome 21 is enough to the lightning junkies podcast. How are you doing today? 21. Hello. Thanks. I'm great. Had a good Yes, I'm all well, perfect. Well at the very beginning of the these podcasts I like to just get a general background of my guest. So this usually involves. What did you do before you got into Bitcoin? And before you got into lightning sure here, I was interested or got into Bitcoin or actually didn't get into Bitcoin first. I got into those coin really that's where it all started for me in 2013 or early 2014 where I discovered this Dogecoin thing. NG and realized or read online that you could make money online by my is such a thing called mining. Yeah, that was really how I got started with with Dogecoin and started to build my own little mining rig with gpus also bought one of those USB butterfly miners at the time. So like a little minor you that you could put on your desk and mine some Bitcoin. Yeah, that was my start and for the following years. It was sort of an on-and-off thing. So I found back to it. I was interested again for a couple of months and then I left it aside and didn't really pay attention too much and it was really around 2016 17 when I finally caught on again and ever since then interested in Bitcoin and followed what's happening around lightning nowadays. It's an everyday topic for me. It does not go away Day by without Bitcoin these days got it. So yeah, you're the second person on the podcast so far that is told me that they've gotten their Are start with Dogecoin? Okay, and I find this interesting because I see a lot of relation to the lightning Network and kind of the mentality behind tipping and things like that that were very popular and the Doge Community back in the day. Would you say a lot of that Community is what got you interested in Dogecoin at the very beginning or is it mainly just to just to make money off of dish that is studies an interesting observation. I do think what really got me interested. That was definitely that money. Part, I was kind of doing my calculations. How much could I do what gpus would I need to buy there were those Google sheets online where you could look up which gpus would give the best returns at what temperature is could do could you run them if you eventually want it to resell I knew I had to run it at 90 something degrees and it was still like I ran them maybe for about half a year eight months or so and I could still sell them and they wouldn't still be damaged during the time. So it was definitely this sort of Of economic aspect of how could I run? My Hardware as economically as possible while still being able to resell them after and then the community part was more it was exciting to me to see all this happiness like those coin is such with such a happy thing for me being on Reddit reading other people's post all these moon on all the meaning like the memeing was super super strong with though coach coin in 2014 a lot of a lot of happy people enjoying memes. Those doggies around she bees I think was one of the tombs that was used on Reddit and the Tipping definitely with an interesting thing. But at the time I didn't realize that this is a payment rail that this is a protocol. I did not have that understanding that I have today. I didn't think of it as a yeah, as I money really it was just fun. It was fun and game. She was playing around. It was sort of this magical internet money thing. That was just fun to send around it didn't really Occurred to me that this was a sort of mind-blowing thing that you could transfer low value over the internet and all the intricacies and the details of it. I wouldn't understand. I was just it was I was part of the funny play around community of those Dogecoin. Did you think that particular Community is something that was valuable that no longer exist anymore that I don't know. I haven't really been on our Dogecoin for a long time and I didn't really engage with The community anymore when I got rid of my head I see so I had a like a couple hundred thousand those coins at some point ever since I sold them transferred it into Bitcoin. I did not engage with the community anymore. I do think that is that was a very important part to me and if it does not exist anymore. Yeah, it's hot fun probably. So you're saying that later on you ended up getting into Bitcoin. Was there anything specifically that triggered that changeover? I think that the more technical I got with the whole topic the more I read about what is exactly going on the more I learned about its cryptography and it's all the technical aspects the more I realized I looked at that data and I was like surprised how much there was and how much Innovation there is all of a sudden realizing all these things were our sort of present in Dogecoin as well since that's just a fork of Bitcoin, but I never Knew about it and learning about it realizing how much there is to explore with just a mind-blowing thing to me. I went down this Rabbit Hole as people call it and explored various topics and was just super fascinated to learn all about its technicalities, but also about economics in general realized how little I knew about money all those topics that all of a sudden pop up when you dig a little deeper in and around Bitcoin. And it's just captured me here. I can't let it go anymore. It's just like every almost every day a new topic opens up in a new area to explore too many almost to trying to follow if you're trying to following what follow what's happening in Bitcoin on it on a protocol level. But then also layer 2 Solutions like lightning then today, I feel like this is almost a full-time shop. There's so many things that are new every other day, but it is nonetheless super In still to read to get some news and I try like these days. I'm building something right now. So I'm trying not to get too much distracted by news or by Twitter in particular. It's nonetheless what keeps me excited about Bitcoin. Absolutely. So when did you get interested in lightning? I was interested in lightning. I think it was definitely around the scaling debate in 2017. When yeah, the whole secwet debate all I mean for a lot of people this was about block size, but also definitely sacred was as technical or a little bit more technically inclined people know about the malleability fix that was implemented and made lightning possible or much easier much more secure. So that was around 2017 when when secwet got activated and then main Nets lightning early 2018. I started to Play around with with a note that I set up Island at the time. There was another couple months where I didn't pay too much attention early to mid 2018. I still like sometimes I have this feeling I'm playing around with lightning or a building on top of lightning. Now. I still want to learn a little more about the core protocol. I have a fairly good understanding but I'm still like working through Jimmy songs book chapter by chapter. What's it called programming Bitcoin? I think yeah. I was really to answer your Question in one sentence excited and interested from the very beginning talking more recently, you know back in October. I met you at the lightning conference and you were showing me your newer project. Do you want to let the listeners know about this particular project? Yeah. Absolutely. It was to me never really clear. What I wanted to do in Bitcoin. I was super excited. I read about Bitcoin every day. I research various topics was always a technical person. So I was always interested in technical. Full details but I never knew what I wanted to do to do. I want to like contribute to a certain project that is out there or which part of Bitcoin is really the one should I should I write some articles or I was I was I was unsure and then eventually at a Bitcoin conference in Amsterdam breaking Bitcoin last year came up with this idea of a Bitcoin ATM and since lightning was already a thing and I realized I could send around very low amounts of digital value. Why not have an ATM that accepts coins that accepts little coins like a guy to send your a coin and sent that to the user. That was that was what I thought about during that conference and I talked to a couple people as well when I got back. It just stuck with me. I was like, I did not know how I would go about it. I knew this ATM thing it's not about It I researched a little I didn't really know how I would build it. I didn't I did not have an idea how I would put this thing together. I knew a fair share of hacking with Raspberry Pi's and with other other single board computers, but I did not really know how I build such an ATM I had to research for example, how do I accept coins? Do I need to build my own little device sir? Is there something that I could just use off-the-shelf I Hardware component all the other Art's screens the Raspberry Pi itself. Is it going to be a Raspberry Pi would I need an another board? What about this coin acceptor and slowly I gather information found different products online found products that I could order from in China Fun products that I could order around Europe and at a certain point I had sort of a list of Hardware together with which I thought I could probably build something. I learned a fair share of or AFib. Python Programming in Justin moons little boot camp I was I think part of the second or third iteration and that I thought would probably also be a good language to do to build something like this ATM with and then I just sort of started. Yeah, but all this hardware and got it delivered was excited one piece after the other arrived and I slowly built built it up. I started setting up my Raspberry Pi putting some Linux Distribution on it started to play around with it just really simple things at the beginning connected eventually when I got and my display which is an e-ink display that I use for the ATM connected that to the Raspberry Pi and started displaying things on it pictures and animations. There's a lot of interesting things you can do with an e-ink display. And from there on I just gradually improved over time. I'm started to improve the added additional Hardware components. They button started to do certain things on a screen with a button and one after the other let's do this ATM the this lightning ATM that some have seen at conferences others may be on Twitter, which is a box that you can put on a table. It's as small almost as as a shoe box and throw a bunch of coins into it on the display. It will say how much in Euros and dollars in pounds. You can program that as to your liking show the amount of coins that you VIN. Inserted into the box at the same time show you how many satoshi's we will get for these for those coins? And then with the Press of with the push of a button you can initiate the payout process and on your mobile phone where you have your lightning Wallet create an invoice scan that with the camera that's part of the ATM and then the amount of satoshi's will be sent to your lightning wallet. That is Where the project is at this point and yeah, that's what I built over the last couple of months. Yeah. Absolutely. I use that at the lightning conference and it was pretty cool to see in real life. It was a pretty fast experience pretty kind of Illuminating on what you know, we might see in the the future of you know, lightning. Do you see the kind of long-term vision of this project being a more built up ATM because just for viewers listeners that may not know this Particular ATM at this stage is kind of more of a prototype. Would you agree with that? Yes. Yes. Definitely. I would agree with that assumption or dead assessment. I I do think there is definitely a market there is a huge Market I think but for now, I do believe I'm working on it wreck. Like now I've been on holidays and there was the new year is now start. I kind of started to slowly. And but now start again to work on the ATM and I will do that every every single day. My idea is definitely to get that project to a point where it is easy for people to just rebuild it like that is my first goal. I want this there is one or two other Bitcoin ATM projects out there like open source projects on GitHub where you can go and buy a bunch of hardware and use the software that provided but Both of them are deprecated or have not been maintained for a long time my vision for this lightning ATM. I would love to see this to be sort of the go-to solution for people who want to have their own little Bitcoin ATM. I do not at this point think too much about the commercial aspect or people companies who would want to buy that ATM in huge quantities for now. I think it should be a tinkerer project. I want to attract contributor. They already do have some pull requests. I have people that I'm in touch with right now who are building who are rebuilding what I've done and who want to help me in the future. So I would love for this project to become just a reliable stable ATM solution that people can rebuild for their Bitcoin meetups maybe for their families for whoever whomever they want to show how easy and simple Bitcoin can be with because I do think one of the interesting things about the about this lightning ATM is that it is a tangible way of introducing people to be coin. You've had those conversations right with friends and family and trying to explain them how it works and what it is and you talked about this digital money and you might be able to send it from one phone to the other. Yes, but at the end if you can actually turn money that you just hold in your hand a coin a physical coin. It into a box see something being displayed see an exchange rate realizing. Oh, okay. So this Bitcoin thing can be bad with Fiat money and then getting it sent straight to your phone. And the whole process takes like less than 40 seconds. This is something very powerful and I would love to see those ATMs being built around the globe in Bitcoin communities in bit for Bitcoin meetups in workshops. It would I think it's a great introduction into Bitcoin and into the lightning Network in particular. You know, what's say, A Meetup was to put together something like this. What skills would they need to in order to actually do that? And I think at this point I'm going to answer those questions to Y. So for now you gotta be really quite technical gotta have some Linux skills. You got a install or Flash and image you go to clone a GitHub repo and the hardware part is also a little tricky and difficult. I've been I mean touch now with about I would say a handful of people who are building the ATM and to those I sent pictures or explainer sent them like Raspberry Pi pinouts where you can see where do you need to connect? All the different cables? There is about I don't know like 20 plus cables that need to be connected between the display and the button and the camera the coin acceptor. There is a power sort of thing as well where the coin acceptor needs runs on 12 volt power and the Raspberry Pi runs on five volts. So that needs to be somehow I'm so and as well with with Hardware as well, you got to be quite technical at this point. It's not easy. There is a handful of people who are trying and who are building it. Now, I would also say that it will become dramatically easier over the course of the next couple months what my plan is really at the end to have a solution where a almost non-technical or maybe a little bit technical person can go basically by the hardware that is listed on my GitHub or by Take it even maybe at some point. There will be a kit available. But people can just buy the hardware parts and put it together fairly simple fairly easy with instructions online either maybe at some point. They will be a YouTube tutorial or for sure. I get books sort of instruction guide lines where they can follow one step after the other and get their ATM up and running. So I would say for now we got to still be quite technical. Now and in the future, I would say a person that can set up a like Raspberry Pi today a raspy Blitz something of that sort should also be able to assemble a lightning ATM when you were mining Dogecoin. Did you think that in a couple years that you would be creating your own lightning ATM? No, definitely not definitely not that out. That was far. No. No, I didn't think that far. Yeah. It was that was really short. Thinking that I had there but it is fun like thinking back to those times. It's an interesting path that I've been on but it's super exciting also like being around last year. I've been a bit too many conferences, but I started maybe around 2017 to also meet people like that was the first time ever that I met people in Bitcoin that were yeah like interested in the same things as I was or as I am with Dogecoin. I always only communicated over the Internet in Forums on Reddit and chats or things like that and now it becomes sort of real right when you meet people when you talk to people when you get to meet the people that you interact with on Twitter, it's mind-blowing what has happened over the course of the last five six years. I would definitely not have thought that it's going that direction back in 2013 14. Do you think you know, let's say in 2025 2026 you're going to be just as surprised by You are then from your current position. That is an interesting thought. Yeah, maybe maybe I am yes. You think I'd be building on aetherium something whole I would hope not but I mean, I'm I'm thinking that you know, we've gotten to such a you know, not odd path because I think a lot of people knew that lightning was coming in, you know, even in 2013 2014 2015. I definitely feel like things are going to get a lot weirder by you know, the mid-2020s here. We're going to have a a lot of interesting things being built on top of lightning. We're going to have other Layer Two Solutions are going to have a layer 3 Solutions, maybe even some weirdoes out there doing some kind of layer for stuff. I don't know. I find the fact that we're out here kind of with a niche of lightning flooring that you know, I have a lightning junkies podcast. You're working on a lightning ATM. Will there be even more niched up people in five years that are kind of working on a smaller part of this, you know, people may be working on watch. Powers or some other small portion of that Tiffany kind of thoughts on that like my life in general. I don't think too far into the future as just a like base concept the way I live like for example, I don't maybe that as a little side note. I don't really have a home. I don't I don't have a place that I would call home closest to home. Definitely my parents house or where my family leaves but I live wherever I just feel like living if been for the past six months I lived in Lisbon that was last year now at this point. I'm in Bulgaria for the next one and a half months and I often just see what's going on and decide more. I liked my life to be super flexible. So I always decide more or less on the go where I want to be into in 3 weeks. Sometimes I know for the next two months sometimes, I don't know. What's where I'm going to be next Monday? So in general, I don't really think too much about the distant future and also having been now in Bitcoin for the past 3 years more or less every single day. So many things have happened now looking back only in those three years that I find it hard to predict or to think about. What is going to be in three years III mean I do agree with you that there will be a lot a lot of soup. / interesting things. I've just been by the end of last year. I've been at the CCC the chaos computer Congress in Leipzig where a lot of bitcoiners were as well and I'm mentioning this because Peter Wooly Willy was there too for the whole day for all the days and Max Hildebrand and a bunch of other bitcoiners. They were super interesting conversation super interesting talks. We had a an introduction into Taproot. I'm absolutely excited about all the developments all the Potential changes about the Privacy aspects that might soon be up for debate and also there is probably going to be proposals that we need to vote on with our notes. I do believe that it is going to be exciting but I almost feel I don't really want to make too many predictions or think too much about where it's going to lead and where it's going to take us. I really like to take it month after month and just be surprised again in a couple years where I ended up here. I think that's a really good philosophy and way to think about it, but would you call yourself a digital Nomad and that way yes in a way that's that's a term that people offer use for people like me. I have not I've used a term to tell when people are when I realized when I tell people what I do and I see that they're sort of like don't really get what I'm doing. I mentioned this tournament. So yeah, they to Nomads that have you heard of that and then most of the time people realize. Oh, okay. Yes that that I heard of I In general like labels that much I'm like, it could easily be that in like in half a year. I'd be staying in a place and I don't know fall in laughs and stay there for the rest of my life. I'm open to that. I'm not a person that is forcefully trying to travel as much and as often as he can, but I definitely live at this point a life of of a digital Nomad idea I go from one place to the other and enjoy. The things that are around me right now in Bulgaria, it's a beautiful place to go skiing. So that's what I do here for the next one and a half months. I mean not every single day that you can't do that, but go skiing one day work on the ATM the other day and in one and a half months, I tear down my tents here. So to speak and travel on to other places in between. I'll be in London real quick early February. I'll be at advancing Bitcoin. Then there will be a meet up in Sofia the capital of Bulgaria where I'm also going to talk about the lightning ATM and then go back to this place where I'm staying right now for the rest of February then I'll be in Gran Canaria for a little while. There is going to be Bitcoin 2020 in San Francisco that I'll be at and there is a couple of other events that are already outlined. There is a couple of interesting events in around April this year lightning. The lightning hack days will be in Barcelona. So those I kind of plan my life around those events at this point. And yeah, as I said, I don't really know where I'm going to stay early March, but I'll sort it out as I go. Do you find that there's a lot of freedom not being bound to any one location. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, there is maybe that's what also what makes me a Bitcoin. I write this feeling of freedom is maybe one The most important things that's dear to me. There is I'd also as a professional I'm a data center engineer. So I work as a contractor some months of the year. I work for a company or for different companies and do I work on data center project? So that means building it in a Data Center and helping to build out the rooms putting racks put in power fiber cables. Copper cables all these sorts of things and that sometimes like this year. I don't have any project scheduled or I do not plan to as of now work on any project last year. I've done that for about three three or four months and this sort of keeps me going like this helps to pay the bills and whatever I work on a project like this. I'm going into this normal setting where people are normally in a job and a 9 to 5 job and I feel A couple of weeks or months. I feel a little there is this tension that builds up. I'm my freedom is definitely worth a lot to me and whenever I can I try to be as free as I possibly can this traveling not being bound to any location also being free and flexible to accept certain offers that are around like it could be that next week. Someone talks to me or walks up to me and says like why don't why don't you join me? I've scheduled. Jeweler I planned this trip to go here and there and I could easily just accept it or take the offers a yesterday's I have my own plan. So I'm this this Freedom that you mentioned that is really really one of the most important things to me. Yes. So I mean, sorry to kind of go off on this tangent on you know, this kind of part of your philosophy here, but I find it fascinating. Would you mind kind of giving us some background? Was there anything that really got you into this? I do think that it so. Shirley definitely a relationship. That wasn't no more when I started to travel a little more that that is really and I was never a big traveler. We went on like holidays a week here and week there and enjoyed it at the beach or so, like most people do and when that relationship ended I started to travel more often. I went I went on a little weekend trips. I came back and was excited what I've learned what I've seen new cultures that I'd experienced. Even within Europe, for example, you can do that quite easily right travel. The countries are so close. You can experience different cultures easily over a weekend. I kept extending that I made longer trips I decided oh there was Asia was quite tempting. So I went over to Asia for about two months came back and I was I was hooked the traveling that was around 14 15 traveling became a big part of my life, and I just Wanted to see more of the world. I've realized for the last year's. I've never really done that I've been in this relationship. Maybe I would almost call it a hamster wheel that I was in and that I kind of escaped or jumped out of by this relationship that ended and when I realized how excited I could get and how how much there is to see like the more you travel the more places you go to and the more people you meet the longer your lists. List gets of places that you want to go to and I just never really stopped. I found a way to combine the two working in it and having a job where you could either work remotely or arrange it in a way that it that it fits with your travel schedules was definitely super convenient and I would say around 14 15 and 16 I traveled. A lot like moving every other week or every other month and that is something that slow down. So look slow down a little over the over the last two years. I'm not a fast traveler anymore. I'm not a digital Nomad that needs to be at a new place every other month. I can stay in adding like for example in lisp and that I stayed for the last six months. I did my traveling sure they were a lot of conferences. I was in Berlin. And there was Riga there was London they were there was San Francisco to but I had sort of my base in Lisbon and from Lisbon I traveled and but I also really like lisp and Lisbon is a beautiful place great weather lovely people the beach is closed. I choose those places as well. And then also costs right? So costs is definitely a huge Factor when you choose a place that you want to live in for a couple months. Yeah, but I slow down for the last couple of months for the last two years. I'm staying a little longer in certain areas and I tried to get the most out of it. I explored a place I go out. I see things I meet people and it is a great way of living. I feel like I could go on forever. But also at the same time, I'm open to everything. It's not that I want to do this and forcefully sort of go every other month or Feel Restless or I would need to go but it is just it fulfills me. Really? Yeah, would you say that you keep your possessions and things that you own to a minimum. Absolutely. Absolutely when I left an apartment or my last real apartment that I stayed for for longer than like a year. I got rid of probably 90% of what I owned at the time a lot of things I gave away some things. I sold and also threw away a bunch of stuff when I realized how much I had accumulated over the past decade or so. So by now I don't have much anymore. I have a little storage facility with a bunch of cardboard boxes that I once or twice a year ago to and pick out a couple things or if sometimes when I work on a project, I might just might also stay close to the company that I work with for for 3-4 months and then also go to that story. Facility get a couple things just for convenience sake but what I own really have fits into a into a suitcase and a carry-on luggage and that I carry with me and it's fantastic. I don't need much or I did I don't need much anymore. I don't buy things. I mean apart from ATM sort of equipment that needs to be replaced or those our Hardware's definitely I think that I invest in but apart from that I don't go out and need my laptop is From 2014. I think I replace things as they go bust. So do I need a new a new sweater? Do I need new pants? Yeah, then I buy a pair of new pants and I throw my old pants or give them away if I give them to the place where other people might still use second-hand clothes reducing my fixed costs dramatically since I don't pay rent anywhere has helped me to just survive. Live longer with a given amount of money, right you can if I work for 3-4 months and I do have a low-cost life. I can stretch it. They quite quite a fair bit and I own very little things. I can easily put it here right in front of me and have a good overview of everything that I have and it is really liberating. It comes back to back to this point of Freedom the freedom not to be worried about a car or about a Mentor about hundreds of thousands of other things plants and work on that you have and own and needs to be like everything you own needs to be maintained somehow, right and I have very little things. So I'd almost spent no time on things that I have and gives me a much much more time to spend in Bitcoin. Absolutely. It sounds like you kind of embody the whole fight club quote of the things that you own end up owning you. Yeah. Yeah exactly. That is the case three. I really appreciate going into the more personal spot there. Yeah. Sure. So how else do you plan to kind of improve the lightning ATM going for? Do you have any particular plans on that? Oh, yeah. I've got a huge huge list of things that I want to work on and I do think especially this comes down to the fact that it has been really overwhelming the feedback that I got from the community people who want one people who want to build one people. Are just super super encouraging telling me how amazing they think this is and how much they liked the project. I've got a huge list of things that I want to do. I'm in touch with a couple of people who are willing to contribute as well some have already there have been a bunch of pull requests that I've merged into it. For example, there is a topic quite at this point, so I do want to have different screens for Example, so right now there is this one screen that you can work with. It's an e-ink display from Papyrus. It's like an English manufacturer and there is a ton of different screens that you could use with this ATM TFT displays other ink displays and I want to make the ATM more compatible with different screens. There is this point of making it easier for people. So one thing that I'm constantly thinking about is a Like a Linux distribution a sort of lean distribution that I could eventually put together myself sort of like an ATM Linux distribution lightning ATM Linux distribution that people could download only a couple megabytes in size flash to an SD card and have basically everything ready to go and that's another thing that I'm interested in then there is this idea of having a PCB board designed for the ATM. So right now as I said before there is like NT plus cables and a lot of different things that you need to connect. It would be nice to have a custom-designed PCB board with a couple of connectors where you click in your display click in your Raspberry Pi and it had like a couple of connectors still for the coin acceptor and for the button, but it would be a lot easier and easier for non-technical people to put it together sort of in a sort of a Lego system almost you could say On the software level there is a couple of things that I'm working on right now. I built the ATM initially with the compatibility for l n d. So L&D works as the backup note a worked as the backup still does work as the back end node for the ATM. I'm planning to also have it work with see lightning. My goal is really yet again since I want to also. Get those on board who aren't too technical BTC pay is one of my favorite projects in this space and I intend to have a setup process where people just scan their PTC pay credentials that you can show on your in your back end of PTC pay. You just go to your rest API you get the QR code and this QR code same as you would show an invoice that needs to be paid to the ATM. You just take that QR code show it With the camera of the ATM and then the ATM would basically just configure itself within within seconds really it would be ready to use your BTC pay server to pay out people who use your ATM. This also works at the moment with L and T X spot, which is a telegram lightning wallet. So you can also connect your ATM to this L&T export. This is even easier. It is a non-custodial solution, but Even easier if you just want to use it with like 10 20 bucks or so, you can download this or not even download you have telegram you create a new conversation with this L&T x pot. And you are you have a lightning wallet you top it up with some Bitcoin 20,000 satoshi's and then you can connect this but yet again only within within like a minute to the ATM just there is a command you create a QR code with In LNG exports and this QR code you show to the ATM and then your ATM is ready to pay satoshi's to whoever uses the ATM. So what there is a lot of improvement that needs to go into ux because by now there were so many things added over the last couple of months that I now need to figure how do I create or how do I design the user interaction? Because there is on one hand there is the people who will use the eye. ATM as end consumers as those who put in their coins and receive satoshi's and on the other hand. There is the owner of the ATM who wants to do certain things who wants to set it up who wanted to be secure who wants it to be easy as well. Maybe have a have an overview somewhere in a web brief overview a web dashboard or something where they could see what's been going on. Yeah, those those are a couple of things but I've probably only mentioned about half of the things that that I've lived have on my list while Kind of, you know doing this whole thing and getting it up to speed. Was there any difficulties in working with lightning or anything unique to bitcoin while developing at are getting up and running to bitcoin and lightning I would almost say there weren't that many issues? No, I did have I started initially. I got to say it was around late 2019. So definitely network issues with amounts that Lo and Li. It'll weren't really a problem. So I rarely have routing issues that that almost never happens what I had issues with in the very beginning when I when I try to hook up lnd to my ATM was that I started with the Chia RPC API and that did not work that well. I just I managed somehow to to make to make it work, but it was just a little too finicky at the end and then I decided Go with the rest API that's also provided and that is Flawless that works just perfectly fine. Never had any problems never had any issues. So what lightning or Bitcoin concerns its know it's fairly simple. It's fairly that is a couple of like at this point. The ATM is really an ATM that you need to be close by as the owner. You can just put it someplace and expect people to know what they what I have to do Insert Coins and then Yeah, it's still at a point where you sort of need to be next to the ATM and this and explain how things have to happen or how they have to interact with. The ATM. I would say it will definitely get to a point where also this user interaction problem will be solved mentioning this because for example if you just display or if you show the ATM a normal Bitcoin address, then it obviously can't pay to that. A dress right? You you got to have a lightning invoice. So there should be a warning saying oh this is not this is not a lightning invoice you please display a lightning invoice or for example if I can reach the note, but there is no route would I may be in the future the topic came up of maybe even like opening a channel towards that no door to watch that wallet with this initial transaction would be an option right? I could rather than sending Bitcoin or Satoshi through existing channels I could Use this initial interaction with the user of the ATM to open a channel to watch them and push the the bottom mount towards them would be would be an idea for future implementation. But what I think I had more issues and troubles with the hardware part that I had with lightning the lightning part was fairly easy about that project. You know, how much time you need to kind of dedicate to this, you know, if you had only weekends would it take you know, six months? You know, what are we looking at here? At this point I've a lot of people asked and I often say at this point. I don't really recommend doing it yet. I'm happy for everybody that does for people who are technical enough with Hardware with software with Linux. They should absolutely go and try because it helps it helps the development. It's great to have other people building it and giving feedback and helping improve to improve the software, but it is still really not. It's not hands on at all. So if you're not Technical and you would do this you would start doing this today and even with my help, it'll take you a long time. It'll probably take you. Yeah months as you say a little more technical people. I think could do that in probably say to three weekends or something. If you are if you've ever played around with Hardware, if you have maybe some experience with Arduino, you know how to connect a couple of cables if you know what Say what are gpio pins? How do I talk to them? What is how do I flash a Linux distribution? How do I set up a Raspberry Pi and how do know a little bit of Kit clone my repo and you definitely need like at this as I said in need sort of like a couple of pictures from me where you can see where all the cables need to go. Where do they need to be connected? But I do think for technical people it is still feasible as it's been demonstrated. Strated within my direct messages that I got over Twitter so I can see that people are actually building it. I have seen that other people were able to get to the point where we're inserting coins things sort of work. They were maybe a couple of flaws but for technical people, yes, it can be done in a reasonable amount of time. But I am at this point not really encouraging anyone. I am not saying yes, go people, please go and build it. I'm sort of Getting to the point where it is a stable reliable project with the fundamentals solid fundamentals a great code base on GitHub and most importantly when I had the time to write a proper tutorial a guideline. I really really love what VDC pay server has done with their documentation there doc doc dot bdcp a server dot org is a is a great great platform for people to go on and research. And how things need to happen and how to go about it and I want to have the same for the lightning ATM. I want to have this website where people can go to and just go through one step after the other and that is the point where I feel comfortable and where I will encourage people where I will say. Yes, please people go by these heart this hardware parts and build it. This is there are the instructions tell me if there's something you don't understand. I'll help you. I'll fix it. I'll adapt. Update but I think that will probably take another say to 3 months if people wanted to support the project in some different way. How would they go about doing that? I think what would help the most is definitely giving me feedback. Like if even if you're not Technical and you maybe you don't think you can build it yourself give me feedback on the things you see online. Maybe you are at a conference. I will be again this year on a couple of Vince's and it would be nice just to hear your thoughts on it. What what would you like to see? What could be done better? Yeah, what are the things that you'd be excited being built into this ATM? What would make you go and want to build one of those? These are definitely things non-technical people could contribute to the project open an issue on GitHub. If there's something about the code or certain features that you would want to see implemented into it. Yeah, that would that would certainly help it. Was there anything else about the ATM that you thought maybe the listener should know about before we kind of end the show here. Mmm. I think we covered we covered most of it. Yeah, probably all of it. I do think yeah that just if you see it on Twitter hit me up ask me questions. I'm fairly fairly responsive if there's anything that you want to know if things you want to let let me know or things you don't. Really understand just hit me up ask me. Yeah, I want to hit a couple kind of easy lightning questions just for fun here before we close out. Sure. Okay. Is there any kind of lightning app out there that you would that you would say that you really enjoy? Yes Phoenix Phoenix is I've been blown away when they published it. It's just it's just a fantastic application their user Story the medium post. I think it Is that they put out the sort of story that they went through downloading a wallet funding it deleting it sending money from it. It's a beautiful application. It's specifically if you know how lightning works and what needs to happen in the background for this to be possible. It's a gorgeous beautiful application. I'm I really hope soon they announced it for 2020 that there will be an iPhone app as well because this is the lightning go to wallet that I that I Amend to people when they ask me what wallet to install absolutely. I really enjoy the work that they've been doing over there as well. So going on from there. Is there a Lightning app that you would like to see out there? That doesn't exist quite yes. I would like to see messaging I've seen something in I think that was Berlin as well as a lightning messaging application, and I know that some others are sort of playing around with it, that will be Interesting an interesting application messaging overthrew the lightning Network completely encrypted end-to-end encrypted. So that will be that will be something really fascinating. I definitely think that's my most popular answer when it comes to that particular question. I've been getting that a lot as the messaging thing. I think that's kind of reaching the end of my my questions here. Do you want to go to let the listeners know how they can find you on Twitter and the rest? Of the internet and all that. Yeah. Absolutely. They can find me as 21 is enough. Pretty much everywhere 21 is enough. And that is where I am where they can reach me on Twitter Twitter is pretty much where you can reach me my DMs are open. So if there's any questions if there's anything you want to know if you need help with the ATM, I will be at a bunch of conferences definitely in London for advancing Bitcoin and there. Is going to be the lightning hack days. There is what else is there? I think there's one or two others already scheduled for this year. Definitely at any conference that I'm at hit me up. I'm always open to discussions or questions, whatever whatever you have happy to engage. Perfect. I'll probably most likely see you at the Bitcoin 2020 in San Francisco. This year. Good cool. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I just want to go ahead and thank you for joining me on the lightning junkies podcast 21. Thank you very much. Yeah, it's been a pleasure great being on boom. That was the 21st episode of the lightning junkies podcast. Did you learn anything on this podcast the digital Nomad kind of lifestyle that 21 is enough. kind of operates within is something that I envy very much Loki one of the goals with you know this podcast and the other podcast that I'm starting is to be able to give myself a very similar kind of digital Nomad lifestyle where I'm not necessarily tied to any one particular location and just kind of constantly travel and learn explore life understand myself understand my place within the universe, whatever that means if this Cast generated value in your life, please consider donating to my crowdfunding campaign. You can find it at crowdfund dot lightning Junkies dotnet. You can donate both Bitcoin on chain and Bitcoin off chain using the lightning Network, you can donate 100 sites or you can donate a million or anything in between or even more if you're really feeling generous. There are other ways to support the podcast as well. 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This is the 21st episode of the Lightning Junkies podcast, in this 21st episode, we have 21isEnough. 21 has created an open source Lightning ATM project that allows you to input coins and get paid for those coins over the Lightning Network. This ATM is currently in a prototype stage as 21 progresses the project.We talk about: 21's Background Dogecoin Dogecoin Similar to Lightning Getting into Bitcoin Getting into Lightning Lightning ATM ATM Prototype Skills  Needed to Construct Lightning ATM Living in the Present Philosophy Digital Nomad Freedom Minimalism Future of Lightning ATM Support for BTCPay Server/LNTXBot Issues with deving with Bitcoin or Lightning? Ways to Support Lightning ATM Favorite Lightning App Messaging over Lightning Network 21's Twitter: https://twitter.com/21isenough 21's Github: https://github.com/21isenough Lightning ATM project on Github: https://github.com/21isenough/LightningATM If you want to stack 100k sats, sign up for Sparkswap! Sign up for Sparkswap, buy at least $15 worth of Bitcoin, and then click this link: https://tinyurl.com/LNJspark Sign up for Fold using this link and we will both get 20k sats: https://use.foldapp.com/r/zbqRZDKZ Sponsor the podcast with Bitcoin on-chain or over the Lightning Network: http://crowdfund.lightningjunkies.net Tip me on Tippin.me: https://tippin.me/@LNJunkies Pay for the episode on LNCast: LNCast.com Follow my Lightning Network blog: https://blog.sicksubroutine.com/ Follow Lightning Junkies on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LNJunkies Follow Chaz Cryptoson on Twitter: https://twitter.com/thechaz --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lightning-junkies/support

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I wanted to talk to her about how much time it takes to join the military and some of the challenges people face while working to join the military. I'm excited to interview you today. I'm so glad Here I'm excited to do this. All right, let's talk a little bit about why you decided to join the military. Well, I decided going because it's something that I've always wanted to do since I was little there's a song it's kind of funny. But I Toby Keith can't remember the name of it. It's like the red white and blue song or whatever. I remember ever since I heard it. The first time I was like Mom we need to play us on the fourth of July. She was like why I was like such a good song and I I was in like Elementary School probably second or third grade and every time I heard it, I was like I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do what Toby Keith is talking about in this song and they're just have been a few other experiences that I've had throughout Junior High and high school that really made me have that fire in my heart for joining the military once I went into high school. I kind of decided that The college route was probably what I was gonna go because I just didn't know what branch I wanted to do. And that's just kind of how that happened. And so you ended up marrying someone in the service, right? Yes. So your husband's on active duty right now. Yeah, he's active duty with the Air Force and you're working to and listen to their Force. Yes. And so what has that process been like Like it's been a very lengthy process. So my husband and I went to high school together and I was actually the first person to talk to a military recruiter. I went and talked to an army recruiter, but I just did not like the things that he was telling me and kind of seemed like everything was sounding too good to be true and I at the time I hated flying and I did not want to join the Air Force because I saw the Air Force which is Pilots. I knew nothing about the Air Force and I didn't want to join the Marines and the Navy I was iffy about for certain reasons, but just people have told me so I was kind of like okay go to college figure it out. So I talked to my husband about it when we were just best friends and he was like no I need to start talking to a recruiter. So he started talking to an Air Force recruiter and his journey started pretty quickly while I was still Back home just doing community college working on my degree and he just he went to tech school and we started talking and we are kind of like okay, you know what we want our relationship to start so fast forward. We got married and everything I moved over here and when I saw the base, I was like, oh my goodness. This is crazy because where he's stationed is where BMT takes place. So he showed me the DMT squadrons and I was like, wow, that's where you've been. For two months when we weren't able to talk and I was just really that fire in my heart started going again. So we were married for about a month or two and then I was like, hey, I really think I want to try to join the Air Force and he was like are you sure was like, yeah, I remember in high school. I really wanted to do it was like yeah, okay go ahead and contact her recruiter. So I got ahold of her recruiter and then I had just a random walk in appointment to go in and talk and ask questions and all of a sudden I had a kidney stone pop up so that kidney stone actually delayed my process for an entire year from there after I was cleared from the kidney stone at least two physical maps. I went up took my physical. I just realized I totally skipped over that. Part, my husband took the ASVAB in high school. And because I wasn't completely sure about what route I wanted to go. I wasn't going to in a way waste my time taking the ASVAB. So I had to take the ASVAB here at my MEPS station. And so when I did that I went up I didn't have to stay at the hotel or anything the ASVAB was the only thing I never had to stay at the hotel for I actually took the ASVAB twice because Cuz I wasn't very happy with my first scores and by taking it the second time it opened up probably was like 20 or 30 additional jobs. Just taking the ASVAB the second time so your job is based on your ASVAB score. So you are able to Take it again to make your scores go up so that you had more opportunities when you get to join the Air Force. Yes, and was that difficult or is it pretty common that you can retake the test? I think it's really up to your recruiter because with my recruiter he told me that there's a lot of recruits that he doesn't like to let them free take the ASVAB because a lot of the times if you retake it your score will be lower for some reason. So he only lets his recruits that he knows will do better the second time around retake it so you were going to the recruiter the first time and that's when you had the kidney stone. Yeah. First time I went was when I had the kidney stone and then did you meet with the recruiter that day like the day I got the kidney stone. Like how did how did you go from the kidney stone to the ASVAB I guess is my question. Like when did you meet the recruiter I went. When it's probably a couple of days after I had got my kidney stone and then we kind of just asked a couple questions back and forth and then the recruiter at the time was a different recruiter than who I currently have since she's no longer in the Air Force. So she said okay come back in a few months and then we'll get stuff set up. So a few months later I went in and even though I was temporarily disqualified at the time for the kidney stone. I was still allowed to Go up and take the ASVAB. Okay, so I was still able to do some sort of processing but I just wasn't able to get to the physical part. You mentioned that the kidney stone delayed the whole process a year. So what happened? So you got your ASVAB you retook it and then were you kind of like waiting so you could get clear to pass that Maps or go to Maps? Yeah the whole time it was from October 2017 to off. Tobar 2018 that I was waiting it's a long time no way. And then you went to maps in October and even that part didn't go very smoothly. Okay, just a little bit about that. So I gotta prove to physical in October but my muff State wasn't until the beginning of November, I believe so I went did the whole you have to ramose met strips. You have to check in at a hotel the night before and I'm only 30 minutes away from our Mets. But just since I know how the This is work. And the gates can shut down and stuff. I chose to stay at the hotel and take the shuttle with all the other people going to MEPS instead of driving my personal vehicle just because if you got stuck in traffic in a personal vehicle, they won't let you process. So if you have the option to take the bus and at the hotel just take the bus because it saves you in the long run. So I checked into the hotel. They give you a meal voucher for dinner and a meal voucher. For breakfast usually have a roommate at the hotel with you and it's never a roommates not terrible have to get used to sleeping with at least 50 other girls in the same dorm. Anyways, sometimes it's someone who shipping out sometimes it's their first time at MEPS my last roommate since I've been to the hotel about four times now, she was a Navy ship or so. I didn't really talk to her because I know sometimes I just kind of want to do their own thing, especially if they're Thing and she stayed up kind of later in the night. But I had a feeling that she was a stripper and I talked to her the next morning on the bus and found out that yeah, she was a stripper. So I was like, okay, I'm glad I didn't get upset about her being on the phone late at night or anything and then we have it was a wake-up call like 3:30 in the morning. So wake up get dressed and everything go down have breakfast and we had to be on the bus by 4:45 in the morning and without tuneups around 5. Then from there you go into the building. They have you go through metal detectors. Make sure you're not bringing in Contraband in and then you go to your liaison you check in with your liaison get a tag and then you head up to the medical control desk. And from there. It's where the very very long and hurry-up-and-wait happens. So it's basically just a regular physical except in different stages. Shins so you have hearing you have blood pressure. I test that was all that we did first and we had a medical briefing which probably like 30 minutes long with filling out even more paperwork. And of course like just briefings of what to expect from apps who's in charge the commander all that and then you go back and start and then you're separated into male and female groups and that's when you do the urinalysis blood work and the infamous. Stuck walk and all of that and then the private physical so I had been cleared for everything and then we get to the physical and something else came up with the physical. So even though it was cleared for the kidney stone. There's the net another medical situation that went on and I wasn't quite following the doctor when she was giving me the physical what she said. Okay, you need to go talk to the chief medical officer about this and I was like, okay and I still thought that Was going to swear in at that point. I had talked to another Doctor Who reviewed my medical records and I was told that I was going to need a consult for a CT scan for my kidneys to make sure that I didn't have any new kidney stones even though I had already gotten scans done with my doctors MEPS still wanted their own things just to make sure which was kind of funny because I got the scans done. I did them at the military hospital that the Use the consoles for so it was kind of like it's the same thing but they needed that consult for them to feel better, which I mean that makes sense. So I went and talked to the CMO about the other thing. He was like, okay. Well, you're permanently disqualified today. You won't be able to swear in your process stops. All right now until your waiver is approved. So at that point I had already been waiting over 12 months to swearing to the delayed entry program. Akeno CMO. I'm sitting there trying. Not to cry because it's military stuff. And so I get done. I have to I had to check out with medical go back down to my liaison explain the situation and they were like, all right, we'll go ahead and get your waiver stuff sent up and we'll go from there. So I had so many roadblocks in this process because when my waiver was submitted there was the partial Permanent shutdown. So the waiver board was affected by the shutdown. So what takes about two months Max to get approved it took four months to get approved because my waiver was literally just sitting there in a pile waiting to get looked at because no one was able to be working. That's crazy. I didn't I knew that it took a while but I didn't really know what happened. That's a huge impact because I mean you're just one of many Went to map to required am a waiver and all those people were sitting there waiting and waiting and I'm sure you are like kind of near the beginning of the shutdown. So it's just got worse is like time went on. Yeah, exactly. And then what what happened to was some paperwork was filled out wrong by someone at MEPS. So my waiver got kicked back for that. So it said something like waiver sent back without further. Processing due to incomplete blah blah blah and so they sent that paperwork back up and then a month later it got kicked back again because there's more paperwork missing and I think there were like three weeks in a row. I kept getting text messages from my recruiter saying hey, they're missing this. Can you get this for me? Hey, they're missing this. I need you to get that and finally there was a time period where I wasn't hearing from him and I was like, okay, I think we have All of the paperwork and then he calls me and he says hey that's one and wants another console which was weird because usually they'll schedule of a consult the day you got disqualified. So we don't know what was going on with that. Maybe they were already caught up with other consult that I had going on. So my process was delayed once again because I had to wait for a consult. So I got consult God approved from the consult and all of that paperwork was sent up. And then once again, I didn't hear from our recruiter for a decent amount of time. So I was like, okay the last time I went to MEPS for that consult I had asked the liaison. I was like hey, how long do you think this is going to take like I totally understand that everything is a hurry up and wait with the military. So I'm not asking like you guys need to you guys need to make sure that this gets approved within 2 weeks or something. I just kind of wanted to know what time frame especially because we're dealing with other military related stuff with my husband, you know. So we have another aspect of life that we're trying to mesh into all of this processing and they were like, oh it should take about a month. So the month is smart hit and I was starting to get worried because I was like, oh my goodness. My recruiter probably got word that my waiver got denied and I'm sitting here waiting for a call and he found out five days ago way. He's too afraid to call me and tell me about tonight or something and I'm just thinking all the work. Worst case scenarios because it's just it was so important for me to get in. Meanwhile. It was also kind of a struggle because I'm seeing my husband go to work every day put on the uniform every day and I'm like only I could do that and finally out of the blue there was some sort of training or something that my husband had to do but he had the option to get out of it, but he couldn't give an answer until we knew on my waiver. So I text my recruiter was like Hey, sir, no rush or anything. I was just wondering if you maybe had an estimate of time of when my waiver would get approved and he called me and he never calls me. So I got a little scared before and I was like, oh answered the phone and I listened to his tone of voice and he didn't sound like disappointed or upset or anything. He just sounded very casual. So I was like what in the world is going on? Something's not right and he's just like EXO winter husband supposed to leave blah blah blah just asking always casual questions and I was like, oh this time and he was like, okay, so we have a decent amount of time. Then I was actually about to call you because your waiver got approved and I was so like he said it so casually that I would early was like, oh, okay, my waiver got approved and I was like, wait my waiver gotta prove a my husband was sleeping. So I like rushed into the room and shook him away. It was like why waiver got approved by Recruiters on the other end of the line laughing. My husband's just like what like I waiver was approved and he just kind of gives us goofy smile goes nice and falls back asleep. So all that waiting and then now you finally have your waiver approved. So what's the next step or what happened next? Because I know the answer but I want people that we answer what's the next step Don't from They're all I had to do was go in and sign a piece of paper at my recruiter's office. And then he got me scheduled to go back up to Mets to have an inspect which is just for females at least. It's a pregnancy test height and weight check and then like a very very mini physical like the doctor checked our back in her arms and her legs to make sure things hadn't changed and then I did all of my processing paperwork. a lot of people said it took Alit takes a long time, but it really does not take that much time and then all the fingerprinting and then it was just I think I waited around about 4 hours at one point because it was I don't even remember what they were doing. But I was waiting around for four hours for something and then at one point they came out and got me because for the Air Force at least when you're enlisting you have to do this thing called The X Factor. So you have to lift a you have to be the golden weight is 70 pounds and you have to be able to full extension it above your head. I was only able to get 40 pounds at my last MEPS visit so I've been actually working out a lot more because my recruiter said that in a few weeks, I'll be able to go back up and redo the X Factor because I currently only have 27 jobs open. So once I get up to 70 pounds, then I'll be able to I'll have at least a hundred more jobs open up. So after I did all of that and I signed my final paperwork, I went down to the control desk and did my fingerprints again and they were like All right, go ahead and come back to the desk at this time for swearing in ceremony and then you'll be good to go. And so I went up to the desk and we had a briefing where we watched a video of how to like do parade rest and stand at attention all and what the oath was and just a few of the military Justice code rules and stuff and then we walked into the ceremony room. And I thought I was going to cry and the only reason I didn't cry happy tears. It's because the MEPS Commander was swearing Us in so they told us to like be on our best behavior and everything. But if it was someone else I probably would have been crying happy tears, but it was just an amazing feeling to actually like raise my right hand and swear in and do the oath of enlistment after fighting for so long to do that. Yeah. That's really cool. I know when I saw the picture on Instagram I was so excited for So I can't even imagine what it felt like for you. Yeah, I'm really excited for you. And right now you're in the delayed entry program, right? Yes, and so you're working out and trying to get to the 70 pounds. Is there a certain job that will open up that you want to do that? You're working towards or So originally it was Munitions, but I didn't I think my as top scorer was like two points too low for Munitions. So that's not a possibility currently on a current list. My number one is Airfield management. But all I really care about is being able to do something out on the flight line with the planes whether it be Airfield management air traffic controller maintenance or something. I just really want to be out with the planes. So you're waiting to go back to maps to do the weight lift saying and then once you once you do that, will you get to pick a job and get a date for basic training? So once I do that, I'll be able to go back to my recruiters and make a new job list because currently I have what is it? I think it's a nine jobs on a list. So right now if they do a job draft once a month and If there's any jobs in there that open up and they're on your list. They'll put you in for that and you'll get a call from your creator saying hey job number blah blah blah on your list opened up. Do you want to take it and you have the option to take it or leave it? So like if job number if option number eight popped up and I want to ship out but number eight isn't my Top Choice. Obviously, I would probably deny it be like, no, you know, like give it to someone else who has a higher up on their list. For something so once I do this new jobless, it'll be that same situation and I basically just have to wait until the job draft or the way I can trip out faster is if someone is signed up for that job, but backs out of either joining the Air Force or backs out of that job or something. So right now you're in like another hurry up and wait, yeah exactly is your husband station to or set 2pcs soon, or is there anything you guys? Guys are worried about getting stationed together after your both active duty. We were actually supposed to PCS to England lost a month, but he denied the orders because he was going to have to extend for three years and it just there were a lot of things that would have made that move really hard like this enlistment process was one of them. I am choosing jobs that like, I've been going online and looking at what Jobs have Certain basis because there are some jobs that are only got like five bases. So I'm going through and choosing the jobs that say available at almost every base or something like that because you really want to my husband really doesn't want to leave this space because we have a home here now and this place is really starting to feel like home and he has his three-year Mark will be this September and he gets out of September next year. So it's really looking like we won't be pcsing but if we do it would most likely be due to my job once I get out of tech school and because he's Security Forces you would be able to basically move wherever I go because every base has Security Forces it maybe I get at this new Duty station a couple months ahead of him while they're trying to figure out a spot for him at that base. But because of his career field, there's a very good Chance that we'll never be separated unless it's for a deployment or training. Well, I'm really excited for you and I can't wait to continue to watch you on your military journey. And like I said when I saw the picture on Instagram, I was really super excited because the last time I had talked to you was November when you had needed the waiver and then I when was that that was April when you posted the picture on Instagram. Yeah, the end of April. Yeah, so it was a long For a long time so I have one last question for you though. What would you tell girls who are like you considering joining the military? I would say just go for it. If it's really what you wanted to do, even though it took me like 18 months total to actually swear into just the delayed entry program to me. It was worth it. And every person that that I've talked to that is currently in the military. They all said that Oh, they wouldn't have waited that long. But if it's really what you want to do wait do whatever I do everything that your recruiter wants you to do do what that's wants you to do and just go on with your regular life while you're doing all this that's really good advice. Thank you so much for your time and for talking a little bit about what your experience has been like to join the military. I think we don't always remember what it was like to go through our process of meh. And so it's really cool to hear your story as you're going through it and maybe we'll do another interview to talk to you about basic which is BMT and your tech school and like a year or two. So thank you so much for your time. And that's all I have. 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Are you considering joining the military? Do you wonder what the process is like? My guest this week is at Basic Military Training right now and will be graduating very soon. But before she left for training she told me about her path to military life. It certainly wasn't easy for her to get to where she is today. My guest today in Mariah Hammond. Mariah is a military spouse. I had the opportunity to interview Mariah for my book, Women of the Military, when she was looking into joining the military. And I am excited to follow up with her as her journey to military life has not been easy. I wanted to talk about how much time it takes to join the military and some of the challenges people face while working to join the military. Can the words of a song have an impact on your life? Growing up Mariah remembers listening to Toby Keith sing about the Red White and Blue and it made her want to join the military. There were other factors that led her on the path she is on today, but she can always remember how it started with a song. She met her now husband in high school. They were really good friends and when she told him about looking into the military he decided to look into his own military career and joined the Air Force. Time went by and eventually they got married and she moved to Lackland AFB where the Air Force does Basic Military Training (BMT) and she was inspired again to join the military. When she went to meet with the recruiter, she ended up having a kidney stone. This immediately disqualified her from taking the military physical for a year. She took the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) and waited for time to pass so she could go to the Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) for her military medical physical. At MEPS another medical issue came up that required a waiver. It felt as if joining the military wouldn’t happen. And after a year of waiting to swear into the delayed entry program she felt like her dream of serving was falling apart. Months passed and finally her waiver was approved and she swore into the delayed entry program. Even though it took almost two years from when she first met with a recruiter to the point where she actually joined the Air Force, she said it was worth it. Hopefully I can do a follow up interview with Mariah next season to get caught up on what boot camp and tech school were like and what has happened since this interview took place. Mentioned in this episode: Women of the Military Book Are you considering joining the military? Check out my free guide: A Girls Guide to Military Life to help you prepare for the military.

Hi everyone, you're listening to superwomen today's guest is Rachel Drury the founder of Daily Harvest. You might think you're getting all your vegetables in but Rachel doesn't think you are and she created an easy accessible affordable way for you to make sure you're getting your healthy fruits and vegetables in that. They're not laddered with pesticides and we talked about why that's important. Take a listen. So today's guest is the founder of Daily Harvest Rachel drawer. Hi. Hi. Hello. Well, I first became aware of what you had found it. I think someone sent so much. Maybe it was when you launch to my office. That's like what the hell is this? So now obsessed with the cookie bites and the all the great things. So will you tell my listeners a little bit about what Daily Harvest is? Yeah. So we basically make all of the food that you always want, but you never have time to eat. So as you're scrolling down your feed looking at These bloggers who have hours to make food look beautiful. And then they Instagram it to make it look even more beautiful. Meanwhile, you're eating like a sad bar or something that is less than you know, you should be eating the that's when we swoop at and we're here to solve that problem. And you've also solved it by making it really easy and portable. Yes. Absolutely. So we like to say we're for people who know they should be eating but don't have the time and the only way you can solve for that is by making really clean food that is Super convenient. So what were you doing before this? Yeah, and what got, what was that? Aha moment to start. This is working at got group at the time and I was hungry. I was you know, I had meetings booked back-to-back and I never had time to like go to the bathroom or eat food. So I would run into the Pantry in between meetings and there'd be stale birthday cake sitting there and I'd be like, all right, this will do and I just I knew better but I never had the time to really eat. That I aspired to so for myself. I had to solve the problem but then when I realized it wasn't just a Rachel problem. This is a problem. A lot of people were having it where it was a problem. A lot of people were having, you know, I saw the opportunity to solve for this need state which is you know, busy and hungry the two don't work together now, they're terrible when you make really fucked up choices. Yeah, really? I can't tell you my husband now carries like food with him because at a certain point if you're hungry I like your cognitive abilities just go away downhill and you start to say things that maybe you shouldn't say yes snap at your husband. Well that yeah, he's like here here just eat so you were at go group. When you thought of this idea. Did you look around the marketplace and see that? You know, like what was your point of view that you were able to tap into something that was unique and stand out and be different from all other sort of Delivery Systems. Yeah, so there is a lot out there. It was kind of the Heyday of the meal kit world and obviously there's There's still a lot of ambient Solutions in the grocery store. But you know for me they all had some sort of compromise for for a meal kid. I was like, this is a really romantic idea that I have 45 minutes at the end of the night to cook and you know that my schedule is predictable enough that I'm not going to have food rotting in my fridge like that's just not me and all the ambient Solutions and like, you know, you take food from a state where it's living and breathing to something that can sit on a shelf for a year to like, I don't know what the process is, but I don't want anything to do. With it. So, you know, then the options are like not great. We should we know we shouldn't be eating more fruits and vegetables fruits and vegetables are like nobody's ever argued with fruits and vegetables. I mean how crazy is like a long time ago said lets you let food be thy medicine, right but we've stopped doing that because we've traded care for convenience. So, you know really thinking about like, you know, how how this convenient side can be not only enabled through the form factor, but also through Technologies What got me really excited. So I solve the problem first by meal prepping for myself and I was like cool. So like this sort of solves the problem. I'm eating better, but there's no prepping is another romantic idea. That's like there goes our weekend and you know by Wednesday or food starts to get slimy and Thursday, you're like, I can't eat another turmeric piece of cauliflower. Like I know so I knew that I wanted variety I wanted convenience and I was like, God can pool. I wish somebody would just do this. S for me and then I was like, oh nobody's doing this ring. I kind of have to do it for everyone else and that was that moment. And so how long from the idea to whether you raised money or launched it like how long was that time period so the idea happened faster than the time it took me to raise money for me even to just quit my job. I knew that I wanted to somehow show that I had product-market fit which in the early stages is so hard to do. It's like, you know, you can make you can tell yourself all kinds of Lies. Sweetheart do that. Everyone needs a neoprene baby carrier is what I choirs and we just lie to ourselves all day long, but for me, I wanted to have some sort of objective metrics so that I couldn't lie to myself. So what I said is once I have five times more people who I do not know purchasing Daily Harvest and those who I do know then that's probably the point at which I'm going to quit my job and likely none. So I did it. It happened really quickly. It was like weeks not months which was really surprising to me and that really proved that I had actually good problem. How did you do it? Did you like go by containers how to do design the low load early event that took place about that. So early daily hers was the gross. I want to know about the girls I so I'm a marketer. I loved make things beautiful. But like once I go down that hole it's very hard to get me up. So I actually decided to lean on all the things that I didn't know how to do which was like how to make food and how to like build a website. I don't so I really focused on those things so the early Like MVP stage, it was really ugly it. Honestly wasn't that appealing? But what I said is if I'm really solving a problem. These other things are nice to haves like pretty branding is nice to have it if somebody's just buying something for The Branding they don't like the food and like I'm not I haven't solved a problem. It's not going to work so early days. I literally went to Trader Joe's and bought a bunch of Frozen fruits and vegetables and found myself a commercial kitchen and Long Island City after I found out that I couldn't make it. My apartment I was like, this is my I had no idea what I was doing. I got a food handlers license which like I'm still not clear on if I actually needed but like I got it because I was like, I literally don't know how to make food. So I got to figure out how to make food and you know just made everything with my right hand and my left hand and delivered it in my car New York City, you know built the website rudimentary was like very complementary way of saying like it was a piece of shit and You know the fact that people still bought it that people were still excited about it is what gave me conviction to then, you know, quit my job and continue to lean in and you know, I tried to raise money off the bat. I didn't really want to but you know, you need money to run a start-up. So when I when I first went out, I found that people didn't understand the concept like the people who I was speaking to or it like it doesn't it taste like Jamba Juice or like how big is a smoothie Market is like, I'm not me. Making smoothies like no, right but people like but I see a smoothie like it was It was kind of ridiculous. I've met so many investors kits so many frogs and people just didn't get it. So for me, I kind of went back to the drawing board and I was like, you know, what if this is going to work I can't make this a subjective decision because all these decisions right now in these boardrooms our conference rooms or whatever. They were VC offices were being made subjectively where people were like, you know, maybe my wife should I adore like, you know, I don't really think I'm your target market and so I went back to the drawing board and I was like, I need to show people objectively that this has legs that this is going to be successful. So, you know, I set more metrics for myself. I set more like Finish Lines for myself or still haven't reached a Finish Line but like midpoints for myself. We're just kind of set my sights on reaching certain goal posts. So when I had those early meetings actually went back to all those people And I just asked them simple questions, like what would the metrics of this business? What would my customer economics need to look like so that you couldn't not give me a check and I got a lot of feedback and it was all the same thing. So actually in the early days built the business to optimize for those metrics that way when I went out to actually raise which was a good eight months later. I had those checks really easily because I said to those people remember when you told me that this is what the Thousands wouldn't need to look like well, okay Fork it over. So but that first time was incredibly difficult and how did you sustain the business for those eight months incredibly Capital efficiently. I did everything by myself. I was like kind of insane. Yeah, was that pretty kids. So I like to call my oldest son. My co-founder is he was in my stomach during this? I can't believe that I mean like the craziest things happened. I got locked in a freezer one day with a a baby in my belly and I was like, oh my God, like what am I going to do in the phone? Didn't work. It was it was bad. How did you get out of the three things? Like they're somebody else came in? Okay, but like, you know the craziest things but there's never a good time and I had the idea of the moment felt right? So I just did it. I think it's amazing any time. I meet a woman who co-founded and or launched a company and had a kid at the same time. I'm like mind blown because I don't think I could have done it but like the amount of attention you have to have on like racing human and and really raising a Their baby is insane. I mean, I like to think of balance linearly instead of in parallel because now we have that works. I just I mean, I don't know that it does yet DVD those things that it's like like you have two lines side by side and they can be well, I just think that that's really hard. Like, I think people people talk a lot about impossible. How can you be balanced and you have a family and you papa there's also like myself which just gets totally neglected, you know, but I try to think of balance as like along Long a long game. So, you know, like right now I'm focusing on the business and I'm focusing on my kids and you know, I'll get to the gym at some point the few years then you know, there's just like a lot of trade-offs, but I just I think it's really hard to to be able to kind of live these multiple lives at the same time. So I think it is but I also think that it's probably been hard for men to oh absolutely and I think that we're all like I wish we could just have one big Consortium and just be like, let's Change the fucking work week. Yes. Okay, and let's not email each other at night so we can just all shut down Boomerang Brian is the best thing ever. What is boomerang so moving so I do my best work at night. Okay in the day during the day I there's so many meetings and so many people need answers to questions and I come home and I you know, my day is over it at 6:00 and I go home every single night because I want to put my kids to bed. It's only time that I see them and then like 7:30 or 8:00 after I've had dinner. That's when I guy actually think so I send off. Millions of emails but I use Boomerang. So no one gets it which is yeah. It's a Gmail or Chrome attachment and I just everyone gets assigned o'clock in the morning the next day when they go to their email at nine in the morning. Is it like 60 messages from you? Yes, but like that's all they're going to hear from me that right like and how do you avoid burnout? Like if you're turning back on at 7:30? Yeah, like I had to stop I'll do like a cursory check, but I have to stop myself in on the weekends because I was just reaching a point of like it never ends. I mean it's hard because even like the weekends are also exhausting. Yeah, how old are your kids? Oh, they're exhausting. They're that age. They're eight five and twenty one month. Yeah, like I have a tuna four-year-old and my weekends are fucking exhausting. Like I can't wait for Monday sometimes so, you know, you do burn out. It's a lot any tools are Trixie you that have been helpful outside a boomerang. I mean I try to focus on the things that I really love when things get crazy. So I love cooking. I love being part of culinary. Don't like at Daily Harvest. So whenever I show up in our in our Test Kitchen everyone's like all right, come here. What's going on? It's your therapy. It's my therapy and I just love it and you know with my kids I find it really overwhelming to be with like both of them and my husband cause I feel like there's just so many needs to to like take care of it once and that for me is like not regenerative. I mean, I love it and I do it of course, but I actually have have realized that Wing things with just one kid. It's like I will take one kid. My husband will take the other it's like real quality time and I actually really enjoy the time as opposed to just like the manager yelling every greater a little things know we started doing that with my daughter and her and her tantrums and her Outburst like I would say cut by 90% when I was like, let me take you out a loan or going to spend some time together. Yeah, but it also really had space for me because I just like everybody vying for everyone's attention at the same time. Time is just really stressful. So what have been some unexpected hardships that have you've encountered on your journey that you were like. Oh I didn't I didn't know that could possibly happen. I mean, there's so many where to begin even fundraising fundraising the beginning was like a full-on clusterfuck. It's like, you know, it wasn't just one round. It was you know, people just continued to not understand what the problem is trying to solve and even today when I meet with people when like we have this ridiculous track record. We've been Capital efficient. We've done things so differently from so many businesses out there and be if if somebody can't if you're not solving the problem for the person who is is judging your company. It still continues to be to be really difficult. I don't think I realized how hard that is and you know, I speak to a lot of Founders now and they're like, I don't know like I met with 20 people it's really demoralizing and I'm like, yeah it is and like it doesn't get easier. You know, like I like Play-Doh Teflon on TV where I'm like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm just going to brush it off but like it sucks and you just keep going, you know, I think that building a team is a time. So I feel so grateful for the team that we have and but it's really hard. It's really hard to find the right people who you know understand the vision who you know believe in the same things who, you know share values. It's difficult and okay, we know three doesn't have to be It is be two of those you're talking to people and fundraising feeling the you always need to have it together because I don't feel like I live in the center of a tornado all times at all times. But there's this I don't know if it's I don't even think it's Instagram. I think there's just this like expectation that if you are growing a company people are going to put their faith in you that like you just need to be buttoned up all the time. Like that's just not me. I drop f-bombs everywhere and totally inappropriate places, but like Like, you know, I'm just like my authentic self and and it's it is often in conflict with the expectations that that people have of me. And I think that that's really hard and it can also feel really lonely sometimes where you're like, okay, I have to like put on a happy face, but I don't feel happy and I've actually started just being really real with my team like I stood up in our All Hands today and I was like, you know, we're doing performance reviews and performance reviews suck like they're the worst who hates performance reviews. I hate them, you know and And we talked about about why we were doing them and like, you know how we wanted them to fit in the greater ecosystem. But I've just I've kind of like just recently have kind of been like I don't give a shit, right but you know until you get to that point. I think that that is there's so much pressure on that and totally unexpected and I was like, I can always be my authentic self. Like I don't know how to do anything else but you really can't be all the time. No, you definitely can't be all the time because you can't be like, oh the boat was rerouted because of a monsoon, so Right. We're going to have a glitch in paying the bill to care. Mom. Nobody cares know. They're like, fuck you and your Monsoon boat. Okay, right or like, you know, when there's a snowstorm over the Sierra Nevadas and your truck can't get over and you're just like, ah, I'm sorry or you apologize for shipping disaster and then a magazine like when you're pants are down like makes you feel worse about writing about it. Like I apologize and now you're writing an article to like shame even more. Thanks, right. Yeah. Great. So being that you didn't necessarily come from the food industry. How did you come up with your recipes and who helps that with you now? Yeah. So actually all of our recipes are co-created with our customers. One of the best huge benefits of being direct to Consumer is that we have this two way conversation with every single person who comes to Daily Harvest and you know through these conversations were actually able to understand exactly what people want and the nuances of different diets and different places around the world and what we've been able able to do is take that information and and turn it into the food that people really want to eat and what's so differentiated is that you know, when you think about big food and you know Innovation looking like, you know, I don't know macaroni and cheese now with sprinkles or like, you know Oreos now with more hydrogenated oils and in the middle, you know, one of the things that that we built early on that I'm super proud of is this ability to respond to customer needs and In a like a real timely manner, so we're able to talk to our customers ask what they want and then we built a responsive supply chain that allows us to respond in a really short period of time so six to eight weeks we turn something around and what this does is it creates this really trusting relationship with our audience with our devotees where they continue to tell us what they want and we continue to deliver. So that's really how we come up with everything we of course. We have an internal culinary team. We have nutrition as we have you no shame. Chef that we have a nutritional therapist also that works on our team who's really in tune with a lot of herbs and superfoods and kind of how it all comes together and food pairing, but it really the inspiration and the the like more specific asks come from our customers. So what is your goal with Daily Harvest? I mean you want to make and sell it. Yeah. Keep it Mom and Pop. I don't know the answer to that yet. So for me what what I'm really focused on is getting people to eat more fruits and Troubles I really think that there's so much noise and health Wellness nutrition and like there's so much work to do. Our mission is we take care of food so that food can take care of you. But like there's an endless number of things that we have to do to take care of food. So that humans can take care of themselves. Like we just we as I said, we've traded care for convenience. So for me, there's so much more to do that. I like I can't even think about that right now. It's just to get to make fruits and vegetables easy fruits and vegetables should be should be easy. Right like we know that their A good for us we know we should be they be any more but they're so difficult. They're so difficult. There are perishing there. You have to watch them. You have to cook them. You have to figure out how to make them taste good. They have to hide them in things for your children. Like there's you know, there's just a lot to it and then there's you know, all the regulation and all of the policies that are around food like we eighty percent of our calories today or from processed food, like that's crazy. So I feel like I can't focus on that yet because there's just so Our to be done and you know, maybe one day there's a there's a partner that helps us get there or maybe you know through maybe we go public as a fundraise like I don't know but I do know the end goal and that's really to make fruits and vegetables easy so that we can eat more of them make them convenient. I like to ask my guests to questions. Okay, every guest. Okay something you'd be surprised scared and I'm scared something. We'd be surprised to know about you. Actually this is this is a weird one. So I was allergic to Cal for a good year of my my life just a year. Yeah, so it's crazy because the line of work doesn't it? But I actually so when during the time that I started Daily Harvest was actually when I was or was allergic to cat and I was like don't tell anyone because it's like weird. I'm telling people to eat more vegetables and meanwhile like my body is in disarray, but I found out later that it was actually caused by an autoimmune disorder, but I went through this phase where every time I would eat kale or any cruciferous. Was my body would break out in these crazy hives and it was it's really just about like balance and I think that you know, we think a lot as a company about balance, right? We're not saying only fruits and vegetables. We're not saying like, you know, don't eat this don't eat that were saying just eat more fruits and vegetables and like you'll be fine. You'll make the right decisions and that's what I that comes from that experience where where my body was just like what are you doing? You're only eating kale. You're only eating brussel sprouts are only eating broccoli because I kind of was reading all of these things about all the terrible things that are going to kill us and inflammation and like it was before people were talking about like a Fades but like pesticides in general and I saw what happens when you tip too far to the other side too. Okay, I'm not going to just eat a diet of cruciferous don't I don't know if not good for you it messes with your thyroid. I already have issues with that. So, okay. My next question is Any bits of advice that either you've learned the hard way or someone gave you that was like aha. I'm going to this one. This is the keeper one of the pieces of advice that is kind of an oldie but a goodie comes from Scott belsky who is a founder and an author and he's just like a really smart guy and he said that you know being a Founder is full of so many ups and downs that you can't it's almost like you can't sweat the small stuff. You can't smell it You Can't Sweat the the highest highs and the lowest lows you just have to Aspire for that upwards. slope and overtime it normalizes and you know for me in this like super charged emotional world that that of like entrepreneurship where there's the highest highs and the lowest lows and like, you know one day you think everything is going your way and then the next day your truck goes missing, you know, that's something that has been really helpful for me to focus on it's like just focus on the long game and I think that sometimes we forget that in the day-to-day but I always found it really helpful to focus on the bigger picture and just kind of like zoom out be like, alright, alright, if I look a year ago, if I look even six months ago have I moved in the right direction. Are we on a slope? Yes, we are. Then we're in great shape. I love it. I'm going to steal that slope. So yes, but mentality Scott Frost up not mine. Thank you so much. Thank you. That was Rachel Drury the founder of Daily Harvest. For more information. You can follow her at Daily Harvest.

How many times have you been hungry - hangry, even! – and stuck somewhere with no snacks? Worse, perhaps there’s food laying around but it’s not even something you want to actually consume, but you have no other options, so there go those neon orange Cheezy Ballz down the hatch. Rachel Drori was stuck between a stale cake and a hard place, dreaming of fruit and veggie-based foods that would be nutritious and convenient for busy folks like herself. After scouring the market and finding the same tired protein bars, she finally decided to create the product she wanted for herself. That dream became Daily Harvest, a direct-to-consumer service that delivers fresh produce perfectly portioned to create your own smoothies, bowls and bites, providing your body with the best support to tackle your boss babe goals. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas No matter the bells and whistles, the core use for the product must be functionally successful in order to ensure return customers!

this episode of Molly's minutes is sponsored by depop depop is the Community Marketplace app where creatives come to buy sell and discover the most unique items from around the world for many of us including myself fashion is a form of expression a way to tell a story of who we are how we are feeling and what we stand for whether you want to shock Inspire Rebel or just experiment depop gives you the space to do just that without breaking the bank or the planet download the app for IOS and Android now or head to depop.com to get started. Okay, you ready? Because he dumped the plant. Yeah, okay. Hello everyone and welcome back to Molly's minutes. I'm here with Tara shoes. Hello. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Is it does it feel weird to be interviewed? Not the interviewee? Yeah, it does but I'm excited to take about myself and so Tara's literally my career role model. Like I love all that you do and I feel like everything you do you do with such enthusiasm. Like you don't do anything half-assed and it's like so amazing to see like that kind of person doing so well, so first of all, congratulations, thank you. And do you wanna just give a brief outline of what you do? So you're a DJ you're I'm a DJ and I forgotten everything else. Could I do I'm a DJ and I'm a radio presenter. That's the other thing to do. And I also do online stuff. I like I had to say that because like I feel like I'm not going to say that I word because I actually can't stand that man. Oh, that's so like everyone says that but but that's not your job. That know the cell like for fun and it happens to be I make money off my Instagram. So I'm just delighted. Yeah, but that's not like my job job. That's just like I'm just kind of like reaping the rewards while people want to pay me to put things on my Instagram. Yeah, and if you like your interim isn't like super curated. It's like your life and you're getting jobs because I It's authentic and it's like yeah, you are really cool shit like all the time. That's it. I just do I just had to honestly just for fun. I would I would never be like, oh my God, like I have to have this color scheme or I have to take I mean, I like I'm particular about like what kind of photos I put up but like they're all like really like fun like that and there's something that they always represent me. Like I would never put something. I don't know. It's like I think it'd be way too stressful to be like, I can't have to use this filter all the time. Yeah. Oh, I've tried to do that before and the just like absolutely like two weeks. I'm just like this is stressful but filtered effort. Yeah. Well like you're sitting that like I used to have like 100. So the only thing I use in terms of filters is like the coogee cam or huji like there's two of them some of the differences but they're called different things but I on don't I had I don't even put like a filter on I literally just use it just to kind of like maybe put a bit more saturation. So the colors pop and that's it. Like I did I've done load like this guy before and I've downloaded facing before and I'm like, these are both way too much effort and delete them because I'm like, I just I prefer I prefer natural looking photos as well. We don't like edited photos before look at at photos. I looking at magazine, so I preferred it to be just a just really real so that's my story. No, but I think that's so true because I feel like that's coming right back around like this is like so Random to be talking about but and like the natural looking photos and it's people like healing monkey fan. And you know, I love looking at those kind of Instagram feeds. I think like refreshing because like Instagram has gone through like a different like at the start. Everyone was using the filters like that they had with it and now it's there like rotten like it's like so what is that? I'm sorry, but you're like, yeah, like my mom was like Like my mom is the Instagram Queen. Oh, really? Yeah. She has the key. There's literally a photo where she took a picture of a gate. It's like a nice get she's gonna really be hate me for saying this way. She took a picture of a gate and it just says Gates so underrated, but I'm going back to you. And so how did you let's go go back to where you're from. You're from Australia. Yep, and we're in Australia from a place called Alice. Rings right in the middle. Okay, because it's what's that like it's fine. It was really interesting growing up there. I did really enjoy it but like going back is really tough because there's literally nothing to do and I mean the town I feel like you'd be a bit more interesting it was through thriving back in the day because there was a lot more tourism because like it LaRue is close to it that big rock. Okay. Yeah now it's six hours ago six hours away. So but His clothes in terms of Australian term because everything is so big so that and then the olgas I think they're called Casa tutor, but they are really close. So we used to get a lot of Tourism there and you know, you get like loads of tourists coming through and just heaps and buses to go and see you LaRue but then they actually built an airport. I do LaRue and so loads of tourists didn't come to our swings anymore. And that was really big part of what else brings was. It was kind of like it's bread and butter so loads of like hostiles shutdown and bars and stuff. So it used to be a lot more interesting I feel but it's kind of it's a bit sad. It's kind of not as thriving and exciting as it used to be but growing up it was fascinating because there were so many different types of people there my like I used to go to school with people that like, yeah, I kind of like using your mom's an artist. Like I like my friends like loads of their friends parents were like artists and stuff. Yeah. It's a very much of that kind of I mean, we have a thing called a beanie festival and a little just a festival of beanies random thing. I feel like I could do that in Smithfield Market but like people travel from around the country to come to the beanie Festival. We had like to Showcase their beanies that they admitted and every year I go because I'd be so excited cause I get like a really cool like hand it and they should be knee and my parents would be like, why did need to go again? Nothing happens here like it's exciting like instead of being cool be like him as long as she Festival. This was like we're going to the beanie Festival. I'm imagining like like a Lizzie McGuire scene where you're like Xing off the days. I'm like that's like the beginning of winter you'd be like, yeah, but that was that's a big highlight for me and my parents used to be mostly my dad be like why the yeah, why the fuck You going to the beauty vessel again when you literally have like I buy a new one every single year. Yeah, and they're not they're not cheap like because like the other hand this and actually amazing and they even had like tea cozies like and it just be loads of like old women with it being chicas. Yeah, you just be going around like judging all of their creativity like no that's not good enough for me to buy it. But anyway, so that's the kind of fascinating stuff that happens in Alice Springs, but that it is a nice place. It's just I went back a couple years. Ago, it's just not not the same but In fairness that I haven't lived there for like eight years. So yeah, it's different kind of place and would most of the people who have lived like your friends growing up what they have moved his off. Yes, some of them I mean a lot of my friends that I did grow up with I'm not in touch with them anymore and they honestly they would have like they bought a house as soon as we finish school. I kind of fell down and stuff and so I'm not really in touch with those Friends anymore, but there was there's about like I'd say like about five I could count that. I'm like we still follow each other on social. Yeah Jin, I mean one of my friends she moved to Hong Kong and she's like a fashion photographer funnily enough that her and I were like the big kind of art heads in school and we both like failed art school, right, but we both ended up doing really well creatively like out of that but it was so weird because everyone was like, yeah those like her name is Elvina like there everyone was out. All Terra Del Vino, they're going to be like doing something really creative in their lives and everything and the two of us ends up failing art like it was and we like raging it was yeah. It was like a big controversy in Alice Springs, but she yet. She's like a really really successful fashion photographer Hong Kong my other friend Bree who I grew up with Brianna. She she's going to actually hate. I just call her Brianna. She is a psychologist and she was actually living here for a while and she's now doing like a Is back in Australia and then I have another friend Steven who works in film in LA and he moved over about six years ago. I have five or six years ago now and he's doing is insanely well now in terms of like film like I don't know exactly what he does but something to do with me being like somebody up to know if you tell me I'm like, okay cool, but I know that he went like the Sundance Film Festival, so I was like lat and then drilling Wells I actually think that's kind of it too. Be honest, I mean that in terms of the people I saw talk to ya I don't talk to many of them though and what you said your parents owned a bar there. Yeah, my parents aren't apart from when I was about six or seven is called Sean's bar. My dad's name is Shawn to very original name. He's just like seeing like on those name generators on the other like and then it was called Sean spot and Malice these restaurants. Melody is my mom's name. Oh, that's nice. So it was joined. An Indian restaurants and an Irish bar, and they literally like joined they had a job there. And so you people be scared like Pine scanners and then a bowl of Curry. Oh my God that we need that here. I know I act as I was saying I was like, maybe I should not hear but it was amazing. I grew up there for about 10 years is really fascinating. That's my keyword at the moment fascinating so far. We're going to say that a lot. Why wait happen, but don't know my friend pointed out. He's like keep him safe fast anyone else. So much I go through the word phases. Like I was like, he said I was like lunch the other day. I was like it was fascinating. It's like, why was it fascinating? I just keep saying it's annoying me. But anyway, yeah. No I lived in the bar for like 10 years. I used to live behind the bar as well. We were talking about this about like the bodies get broken into all the time. And because there's a lot of crime in Alice Springs in general, but I guess yeah, we moved into an apartment just behind the restaurant and I lived there for about 10 years. And yeah, I grew up around like loads of adults. I got to know a lot of Irish people as well because those of Irish Backpackers used to work there. And so I think there's maybe why a lot of people have asked like well when I came here, I didn't find it hard to understand people because my dad's actually Irish as well but I grew up around so many Irish people from all different parts of the violin. So I kind of just like it was easy for me to kind of move here. Yeah, but yeah loves that they had that for like 10 years. And my dad's retired now and my mom is a psychologist and she works in a prison. I find that so fascinating. Yeah fascinating you put it in my head. I'm gonna be like a little bored like ding every time you say fascinated to learn how to do that. I love it. I love it. Yeah, it is fascinating though. Yeah. We're that work. But you were telling me about a job that you had while you live there which I find so fascinating I worked as a judge's Associates for like two years. So I used to wear like the white bib, but it's called a job. Oh, yeah, and then like the black robes like or the long, you know, when you see lawyers walking on the street in them and you're like, they don't need to wear that yeah, you just like boys showing off really neat because you do have to wear them, but I mean like they don't need to just be like walking on. Down the street I made in fan has I'd totally do that myself. Like I have one at home. But yeah, I used to wear. Yeah, you sweat all that kind of stuff. I didn't wear a wig like the judge refused to wear the wig. Yeah. Well funny if you had the wig and then they attribute to him coming out like stupid seal or you like died the wig. So yeah, what's the judge's associate like two years, which is really intense job. I don't know how the fuck I got that job. My God, I like I was on your CV when you applied for that job. I worked I worked at a place called my neck music world. Yeah, and that was a CD shop and another place on my CV was a place called Rock City Music. Yeah, which is an instrument music shop because I played it on other instruments and then I worked at a place called the Silver Bullet Cafe and it was a really really cool cafe. Actually you'd love it was very Arty they base. It was all I got of these big trains were made. Like cafes so so cool. But that was what the zombie see me but I was like 18 and finished school and I just saw in the papers that there was a position and so I had a meeting and I don't know I still actually don't even know how I got that job done this but I was really good at it, but I actually was working as what was called a sheriff's officer first. Yeah, and that was more your kind of like looking after dream members used to like get teas and coffees and stuff. And then there was a position for a judge's associate that And up and I think because I'd like because I also had to I got to know the judges and like the kind of lawyers and everything there but I think from that then they asked me to fill in for the just of the judge's associate position and I love doing that for ages and I loved it. Now. It was a very intense job like it's stressful like you have to physically someone's life at stake. It was a supreme court as well. So it was like murder trials and what weight it was a supreme. Yeah. Yeah Supreme. Yeah. I know I still have How long does he look at me now? People would be like how would I was but Sheila into like working like a courthouse but like it was the intense one. So you'd be doing trials for like a couple months. I remember like like five guys that I went to school with were charged with murder and I was a judge's associate in there and like those so people in like the gallery I knew most of them like it was insane, but I had to like just just was a baby. I mean, I wasn't judging them I was As a judge I was the person that basically would sit just kind of below where the judge was sitting. Yeah, and with be like following the trial taking notes. Also I'd like if I remember correctly like I drained the defendants, so I just have to ask everyone to stand and I'd have to read out their charge and ask them if they plead guilty or not guilty. And so and then they say like what they played and then I'd have to read out like the As well like was that so scary. It was really scary because it's lift. You couldn't fuck up. You can't laugh like you does no smiling. It's because it literally someone's life is at so do you ever get scared that like you'd read the wrong thing? Because you'd be thanking the wrong thing. I feel yeah, he's scared of reading like not guilty when they're get I know that yes, they were guilty. Yeah. No. No, I mean it never happened, but definitely because especially because it's not like you can read a script beforehand. It's literally just done like eulogy We walk in and the judge will hand you the piece of paper and that's it. You just have to quickly like read it first in your heads, but it is really really intense and like it would put I loved I really really loved that job and the pay was insane. So obviously I was delighted but I was always kind of like that would have I would have stayed for that job to be honest like, you know the Springs but I always knew that I didn't really fit in Alice Springs. I wanted to like be what I wanted to be around something bigger like, you know as in terms of a city because just the town was too small for I was just big fish of that small town and I but I genuinely found it really really hard to leave that job because I just was I've always been interested in law. My dad's a lawyer. So I've I've did want to be a lawyer when I was younger but music was kind of what I was going for more and put and also my parents kind of push me more towards music. I don't really want me to do law because my dad I mean it's an intense being a lawyer is really really hard work. Also. I wanted to be a judge. I just want to skip the whole lawyer part and just become judge but you can't do that. Like I have to be hated only imagine you as a judge in like a music video like you never yell at music. But like I mean, it was mad it was the only thing that thing I did find out about it was because I did have to like we're like look, you know office attire had to wear like a shirt you had to be proper every single day. You had to look like you couldn't have mad Nails. I can't have my hair. That was what I found hard because through high school. I was like that. I always have my nails painted. I always had like I used to have really really really long hair and I was like I was had paint on my like dress and everything. So it was really hard for me to like be proper. But I love the job so so much and also we really had to leave that money like the money was insane, but I saved up for two years and then moved here and then and why here well, I was originally wanted to move to London. Like I wanted to be a musician first. I played like six instruments including the flesh including the flutes. I'm going to Tire the ocean. I've lost all my God. It was it an article recently and they were writing about me literally said noted Florida. I was like because it's in your fight. I put it there because of that. Oh, yes, I put that in there. So yeah, I moved here to be a musician. I used to open mic nights and stuff and I used to have a band here and he's paying like Brooks tells so what kind of music I do? I started off doing kind of like singer-songwriter kind of music and then I sign making more electronic kind of music or bought like this keyboard and it's play the flute actually in my shows as well. And I played the electric guitar and I made quite a kind of like kind of war paint it. Each one of these kind of music. Okay, so like electronic and quite dark kind of stuff. I mean, I'm definitely giving myself way too much credit my music sounds like if I'm comparing myself to war paint, so do these that was in my head what I was trying to go for I was trying to take because I am big big fan of the yeah, and that was the kind of music I want to make but I and like yeah, I did. I did really good stuff with that like a bad that I had and I'm still friends with them as well. But Kind of I've been playing music since I was nine like and I was I played a lot like I was classically trained in the flues did Jazz training in the saxophone like my life consisted of a lot of just playing music and I actually also wanted to be a basketball player, but then my parents like you need to pick there's so many things going on here High School Musical you basketball our music. I hated that movie so much and whatever when it came out and all my needs Were so upset so that no sector all just hope a thick. Oh my God, and that makes four years later. I was like, I'm going to such a good film. So I kind of got to a point to others when I was working as a waitress. I was working in the girl in town on fade Street, and then I had a few different waitressing jobs and also the music and I literally just making money just like, you know to pay for like recording studio time and rehearsals your time and I always Let's pay the band. Like I never made money from the music because I'd always Distributing the 3 of them. Yeah, because they're obviously giving up their time to play with me and it was never like we weren't like a bandit was more like Tara's shirt and you know, but yeah, so it was only fair that I always paid them and but then I kind of I just kind of fell in love with it to be honest. I was like, actually I don't I was I wasn't able to write music. I didn't enjoy the music I was making anymore and he actually went to like Scotland for Christmas, too. Meet my best friend that lives in LA and I spent Christmas with his family and his family were like, so what are you doing? Like, what are you have to like you doing this this like I was like nothing. I was like, I've actually been like working at this for so long and it's I'm not saying it was only like I really I don't even living here like maybe three years three or four years, but it just I just didn't love it anymore. And I was like, okay I but I love music. Like I really really love music, but I just wasn't loving being a musician icicle. And I'm kind of lost a lot of love for it and then honestly like I mean, I'm kind of just like going on and on and on here. No, this is so no, this is so interesting. Sorry. I like I'm literally laughing this up because it must have been really hard like when you think some things like your absolute passion in life and then like fuck I don't like this anymore. Yeah. What the fuck do I do? I mean it was really tough. But to be honest the toughest thing was to tell my parents because they had put put so much money into me playing music and me learning so many different instruments and I think because my parents quite academic and then they wanted me to be they that's why they kind of pushed me in terms of being more critical in the creative kind of world, but that was the hardest thing and I know that my parents were on my back a lot for a long time up until now to be honest really cuz I I think because I think I mean they're definitely listen to this so shouts them. But I think now because I can actually see that I'm doing well. Yeah, I like the biggest thing for them is they just wanted me to be successful in terms of being able to survive. Yeah, like in my family been through lots of up and downs. My parents have been bankrupt like, you know, so they just wanted me to be like, you know able to fend for myself I guess. So that was the toughest thing was telling them. I didn't want to play music anymore, but I didn't tell them until I kind of had a plan in place for what to do next and like honestly, See in terms of like music. I have dabbled in the float since but more fun and I actually love it's like I love just playing for fun now and that sounds nice. Yeah, I did because I do I mean the way I started playing the flute though. I didn't actually want to I was like nine in primary school and they used to do this program where they like bring around the music heads would bring around loads of instruments and you'd literally be like this big Assembly Hall and like your class would be there and what the way they did it was they were just V up instruments amongst everyone everyone had to learn something like an ass yet and my last name is Stuart. So I'm always like most last on the roll call and all of the fucking instruments were people the first one I want to play with the drums. Yeah, then there was no drum using this is so cool. I did planet on eventually. I actually used to have an amazing drum set. I don't even know if my parents still have that but I did eventually down the line here, but at the time I really wanted to play the drums and they were all pay. Picked out then I was like, okay percussion like which was like The Bongo tambourine section. They're like no because all the lads had picked all that stuff. Yeah. And then what did I go for next? I think I went for like, oh, I want to play the saxophone. I ended up doing that later on but the time they're like that was like the cool instrument. Yeah, that was all gone. And then I said the clarinet and I don't even know why I see the clarinet because like Edward like so Random Planet know so obviously I picked every single is ruined but the flute and the oh Only one left with the triangle and the float I'll tend to be trained on the triangle clearly the can but I was I could not go back to my parents and be like, yeah, I picked the triangle. Like I'm sorry. Also, if you're shaving if you were given the triangle they might be like there's something like do we need to go into the school? Yes, exactly. Yeah, so I'm having to pick the flow to because you had to pick something. So I picked the flute and I hate it for years and then it's actually more the older. I've gotten The more I've enjoyed I enjoy it. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So that's my flute story my flute story. And yeah and goodbye. So then how did you start getting into presenting and so radio I literally like was on Twitter one day and I saw there's a presented our quality who acts 9 t FM Who I've been friends with since I moved here. He used to be in a band called Fox Avenue and my drummer used to fill in for his drummer. Okay gigs and so I used to go along with him and got to know Dara and Dyers honestly, like one of the nicest guys in the industry and so he basically us on Twitter that 98 of them were looking for a fill and radio presenter, and I'd never ever consider presenting before like never It was kind of thought that was going to play music loud popping gonna duel or something and or get into fashion, like I know because I've always loved fashion. Yeah, so I was kind of but like I always had these I don't actually I went to the Grafton Academy. I did like a sewing coarser tonight, but I was I'm very impatient person. Yeah, it's sort style. I can't remember anything. No same like because I did a dress making course every week. I feel like I'm starting from scratch again. Yeah, and like I just feel like I need help again already mathematical. Yeah, I am the worst at my fame. So that's our fashion careers that I saw a tweet and it said they're looking for a fill-in presenter and I literally just saw that and I was like, I think I actually read that when I was in Edinburgh. I've dried kind of had this like I'd like any Epiphany that I didn't want to do what I was doing. And so I messaged dhara because daughter works in 98. Actually, I think to our weapons spin at the time. I can't remember my message. She was like Hey, I was like this and I really want to make a demo and try and apply for that position. He was like cool. I'll help you. So he was like just did I can't believe I went into him or if I made I think a baby just did it in my wardrobe. Literally I got into my wardrobe. He was like try and go and like smallest reviewers like the Wardrobe is the smallest. Okay. It's just sitting in there with my like laptop. I think I recorded on Carriage band and I recorded a demo send it to him and he was so nice. He was like, yeah. It's a really An effort things like don't be too disheartened if you don't get this. So anyway, he I put it in I didn't get it. But he did put me in touch with people that made freak FM which I don't know if it's around anymore, but it was kind of like this training kind of small digitalization that used to be incommunicado up and so we put me in touch with them. I started in there and I mean to be honest the person no shade here, but the person I was running it. I didn't feel like actually believed in me at all. Yeah, so that's so hard mentally really really hard because like I was doing like I was doing shows I still show every Saturday morning from like 6 a.m. To 9 a.m. Because that was the only time I could fit in because I was working as a waitress all the other days of the week trying to make rent. So I every morning I used to love it. I used to cycle to like this station, but he never used to like listen to my demos and he'd always kind of give you the same feedback all the time. He was trying to make me into like this like this Chucky like yeah, and I was like no, but I want to if this isn't meant to be a good creative like training ground. We should be able to like explore our own personality and kind of discover. What kind of present to you want to be. And so I used to instead send my demos to dhara and also Steve Kay who works in spin. He's like a legend in terms of radio and Steve Kay is such a nice guy. He's let me shadow him just to watch him in the studio. And so the two of them used to listen to my demos and these give me feedback. Back and they were great. They were just and then have to do that. They were just like and I reach out to them. That was just me being like if you have any time, can you please listen to my demos and then it's such a weird exactly. I've never actually told this story before so I'm like stoked little shit that happened. So these can be like to are checks and I learned so much from the two of them, which was great. I was very lucky that like they were okay with giving up their time to do that then I remember Always asking me if I was applying to other stations because I used to send my demo into this situation in Spain and stuff and you're like, this is like should I say it I've already said spin twice and I never I never got an email back. No, I'm right back to me. I'm like, yeah Fair the kind of you just that's the way she the game. You have to hell. Yeah. I literally met like three hundred people a day and I got one email exactly. That's you just have to put yourself out there. Yeah, and there's a and then one so Steve used or if you're my back every time every week. He'd see me be like who the email today? And so then I was like one day randomly. I was like, oh Mark McKay and follow me on Twitter the other day. He was like, oh really? And at the time I became used to be the head of the to digital stations and RT which is pulse and to accept. Yeah, which now Adam Fogarty is the director of and but the time well, I think I've checked the time Mark had had gone, but he was still like kind of leaving. Yeah. So anyway, he followed me on Twitter and I've no idea why but I started to Steve Kay and he was like mess. Jim and say you have a demo you want to get into radio and you'd love to get into RT and I didn't because I was so nervous. I was like, I don't know I guess I feel and I always I used to have this thing in my head where I used to be like, oh, I feel like I'm not annoying someone by me emailing them. Yeah. I steamed them. We're not going to learn anything or get to know anyone if you don't do that. And so I messaged him and I asked. It for him to listen and he loved my demo. He was like, this is a really really good demo. He was like listen, I actually left now, but I'm going to put in a good word to the new director, which is Adam who actually is now one of my really good friends, but I didn't know him at the time. So he I sent in I said in my demo to Adam and he didn't write back straightaway. It caused in front of us busy, dude. Yeah, but then Mark had messaged me again. Who's like hey, did you ever hear back from Adam? And I was like, no and he's alright me a message. So, um he I'm about to be a 20 and had a coffee. He is like cool so we can start you training on digital on to XM and he was like what kind of show did you want to do? And I didn't really know what the time so I started going in there. I left you in a cop and salad in OT now. I was doing I wasn't getting paid or anything. It was just like me just wanting to learn and so I just go and do I mean afraid of my heart and fortunately as I was just thinking outside he trained me and radio in terms of having to learn how to use all the equipment and the software and he suddenly passed away a couple months ago, but he's a big reason why I like well he is the reason why I and most of our two presenters to be honest know how to do everything. And so I used to his name's Alan and I used to go in like any threats like free time I had so I like be working in a cafe and I'd literally sent him like all these different time slots I had because I wanted to like learn how to use Beating as fast as possible then also I started to kind of get to know everyone in digital it which is in a different area of the is of the radio of RT and they used to always have lunch like on the couches and stuff. And so I started just going and at lunchtimes on my days off. So now I'd like pretending BMX Daddy's perform. I like one hour show and so I used to go in for lunch is just getting to know them and I ended up actually becoming like Friends of the right now. They're like my really good friends like Adam is one. My best mates but like at the time I just was kind of getting to know everyone I used to just sit myself as like a spare computer and just to be seen in there. Do you wanna mean? Yeah kind of show face because I had like, I've got the key card. I was like for works if it gets mad or I'm just going to come in when I can and then from that I was doing it to XM show and I used to do something quite similar to what you do where you interview like people you're interested by I'm so used to have like I had like James Callender and real Horan and like Mesa now, I am free. Then about the time I was like I'm they're really fascinating. Yeah, like I want to have them on so I used to interview them for my show that I used to called Pop-Tarts and oh my God, I love that. Yeah, and I then Adam he had almost like my mentor in terms of radio then and he we like he made demos for me to try and get entertainment news on to have em, and then also I started putting together contribution pictures so like different ideas for like Pieces I could do on different shows. Yeah, and so I put together a piece for Tracy Clifford show because I think Adam has been talking to them and they were looking for like someone new to be on the show. And so I put in thing. It was like a new music thing. It's called the inside track. And so and I've been doing that almost 2 years now and every single Monday, I do that still which blows my mind that I'm they still even want me there. But basically I put together a picture I'd tell like the three biggest entertainment stories of the weekend and I have a brand new track of the week and Yeah, that was basically it and I'm still doing it which is insane. That's a started doing that and then I started putting making demos for entertainment news. So I used to listen to a lot of Ryan's entertainment news and then try and do my own and then basically so I could start covering her if she was on holidays or yeah sick or something. And so that's not happening. She's are getting sick and I was like, let me stick to him like yes, so then whenever I used to like cover her shift and and then just like poisoning her and then so that's how I kind of started into FM. Then there was like there's a couple of spare computers. So I used to just go in like when I wasn't working as a waitress and used to sit there at a computer just to be seen just so they can see your face. You'll be forgotten about yeah, then I started getting cover work. So I used to like 7 a.m. Shows on the weekends look like Christmas cover like the kind of graveyard shifts and But like I wasn't and like that so I was getting paid for this and stuff, but I wasn't making much money. Yeah, it was because I still working as a waitress at the time and then like it's mad I've never said this to anyone what I've said it like it's my mates whatever but like I am so sorry that this is such a long-winded story. But like know I really like this is what I want to do in my life. So I'm literally just like drooling here like it but like obviously I know it's always so different so that's why because mine's just like all over the shop, you know, I didn't go to college. Anything but that's nice to hear for people even if they're not wanting to be a presenter or anything that like if you just work hard exactly. Yeah, and you just like hustling is that she like the biggest is the key thing and I'll sing a networking so then I ended up because I was taking so many shifts off like with like my Cafe job. I used to just be like listen these the chef's I can do next week because I was trying always work it around what cover I was getting into FM because I wanted to put radio first all the time and like they knew that radio was And I was kind of something not to enjoy working. I mean to be honest. I've never enjoyed being a waitress. Yeah, and I'm not saying that as shade I worked in a restaurant like I grew up in a restaurant. Yeah, my mum and restaurant I have mad respect for people in hospitality and I worked in a cafe since I was like 10. Yeah, but I hate it don't like Hospitality in customer service because another worse. Oh my God. I used to work in a daddy and literally like oh, you're just like do you think that this is my life? Sometimes you're like, I'm Minimum wage like so and like complain about something like really high tide, but it's like it's fine. But it's like it's your fault. Yeah, and you're like, are you okay fine? But like I'm not the person I'm obviously not the person that I'm is exactly I believe that everyone should it should be like the law that you have to do have to do it you have to do at least Hospitality or retail me and my boyfriend always say that so that you have a certain level of like Rebecca. Yeah. Anyway, go on. I was just like God I my anger there. So then I ended up I got fired from that job from the cafe. Right which was like so tough for me to accept because I was like what the fuck I'm really good at things because I've I know when I say that I'm not trying to sound like a big head of douche what I mean is I am no matter what job I'm doing. Even if I'm doing being a waitress. I always put a hundred percent into it. Let's go see your parents like, oh, yeah exactly, you know and you know someone's in especially because it was an independent. Isn't that I used to I used to work for Independent restaurants. So wasn't it's not like I'm like, oh if it was a chain fuck you, but I know the owner to only and so but anyway, that's beside the point. I always just made sure I did like a really good job. It was just kind of like this ethos that my parents gave me that I was put a hundred percent into everything also because I just would feel really bad if I wasn't doing a good job. Do you know? Yeah and but end up getting fired from there and it we left on really really bad terms because the person to be honest he didn't deal with that. Well at all, uh-huh. He was trying to get me to leave for a while. I think because I wasn't no wasteful they're trying to get you to like quit exactly. Yeah, like I knew what he was doing. Like that's such an Irish tactic that's happened to so many of my friends really before and even myself. Like I remember I put in I told like one member of Staff once I was going to go to Vancouver because I went to Vancouver few months and they obviously someone find out but I didn't really realize till much later. I was like, why are you suddenly like treating me like, yeah, that's a big garbage. Yeah. It's like yeah anyway, but that was it. It's because I was like really it's also because I was trying to get loads of work in radio and he just was like angry that I wasn't like like a hundred percent like obsessed with that spot. I was working in and so it was really tough though because I was like, I still need to pay my rent like lemon so my hours yeah cutting my hours down so much and I was like, but I was always up for working the weekend. So always work Saturdays and Sundays because I was quite specific with my days off during the Week, but I kind of just had to make it work. But then in a anyway, I can't fucking fired from there and it was literally the worst thing because I was not making near enough money in radio. I was even going it wasn't like a constant job. I even had in there and it's not even like your family lives in Ireland. No. No, I had nowhere like to go and so at the time I just kind of started seeing my boyfriend mango and I remember him I remember the day like I got fired. And I called him straight away and he happened to be like in town and I was devastated we weren't even going out and the time and I was so devastating. He was like you're going to be up. He's like this can be the best thing that's happened to you. Yeah, and I was like, no this isn't a fucking tedtalk hired me and it's like no that's not how it happens. Like there's loads behind sees. Yeah, but honestly, I actually do feel like Like I want to do a TED Talks, I'll be like I literally got fired from my job. And then I started getting more work and radio. Yes bizarre, right? I don't and I was like the universe it was like the universe but also could have been like the fact that I was like I am so up for anything you want me to do in here and also it's like the reason you got fired from your job is because your debt devoting so much. Yeah, so exactly. Yeah, and I also was DJing in crack burn and Joe burger and bear at the time I used to do goes. I was just trying to get as much money as I could to survive, but I used EJ in bear on South William Street. So I remember after that. I was like after I've done like a full day's in the cafe. I had to go and DJ in Bear now. I say DJ I wasn't teaching at the time like this is me trying to become a DJ as well. And I had no idea what I was doing, but they used to let me teach you in there for like four hours on a Friday night and then I used to crack down on a Sunday night. And and how are you teaching yourself? All these things? You too. Well YouTube and then also yeah most of you. To buy mean the first DJ Gig I ever ever did I had never ever touched eggs before in my life. And basically there was this woman who had booked me for eight to play a gig years and years ago strawberry for us and I think the original my boys were like headlining or something and so I was playing music I was playing guitar at it, right? And so I knew I knew her sorry, so sorry about that. I knew her And I knew that she used to book for this venue in Odessa at the Odessa. She used to book their DJ's for there and I was like, I really want to become a DJ but like I couldn't four decks and and even know where to start to be honest and I used to just look on YouTube. Look at people playing on decks and it was climb just like okay and it was so bad at the time. Like I actually it makes my skin crawl thinking that I used to do this and sometimes when people do ask me for advice and they said that they do this I actually like, oh my God, I can't cope. Used to convert YouTube videos to MP3. Okay, because I know where to get music because also I could just bought at Tara that's nice. That's why I do now like some point out I pay for my music down but the time I was just converting YouTube videos series and burning them on CDs. And so and I had like a big city folder. I remember buying the CD case in like Georgia Street Arcade has I couldn't find a CD case. Anyway. Yeah. Well, they don't really yeah like, oh my God. I used to love my CD. Like you put little slips here stuff, like make it all look cute and everything. But anyway, I emailed her and I said, I'm a DJ now. It's like I'm DJ now and I would like to deejay at the Odessa. Yeah, the fucking neck of me. I was like, I'm a TJ now, I'd never ever DJ before in my life. Would that not give you like that enough kind of give you anxiety though. That's Archer. But like I was just fight through that. Okay? Okay, like I've got I've always had massive dreams and I'm like I've been determined to get them and I've never Sometimes I've like like some like I've never let that help me back about I'm scared to do something. Sometimes I was like, yeah, it does give me my massive anxiety, but I know that I feel so much better afterwards and I'll be so happy that I put myself out there I did that and also I prepare for things so much that I can't fail because I know if I do I'll be fucking livid with myself now In fairness this was a fail at the time, but the time I saw it was Failed looking back on it. Yeah, but at the time it wasn't and so I ended up emailing her and she was like, yeah. Do you want a DJ New Year's Eve? I was like, okay. She must be a really good book or not. I think is like I'd like really solid myself. Yeah. I know. Oh my God. Okay cool tars, cool. Yeah CJ and so the galaxies were doing the headline DJ sets and there was a another girl before them and that I was going to be opening up. Like I was like, yeah cool really cocky like going into this like yeah, I'm due dates easy and I arrived with my CDs but I actually right up to the venue two hours before I opened because I just was like, oh, yeah. I just finished waitressing. I just came early I didn't I just wanted to actually touch detect. Yeah literally never touched before I always see that whenever I'm early to anything I'm like, oh so I'm like ready to everything. I'm always like I was in the area. I don't know. Why am I Dying by being early? I never know. I don't know. I'm the same. Well, I'll just sit there and wait. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like a devil for like Dibble. I'm just that's gonna hear word for next week going to be like what a devil she's such a devil. It sounds so creepy said that was so I end up o DJ disco and like 80s and wasn't mixing was even queuing songs like about you come back just like the song would please anyone and then I'll just be like If I drop it and be like oh my God, but actually went really well my guy who was having the time of their life if it's disco and 80s, you're never gonna have a bad. Yeah because you playing all Bankers on yeah, but like, yeah if it's managed so danceable like no no, he's gonna be like, you know, it's yeah exactly. So that was my first DJ Gig and I've come a long way since then but even in terms of like mixing and beat-matching, I'm still like I Isn't really doing much of that until more recently in the last like say six months even because I don't know I'd like I'm still learning as I go to be honest. I'm and like I actually did a gig in the bonus show a couple weeks ago and I was like fuck I've gotten really good even my boyfriend was like shit that's that was really good. But that's because like, I've been really really working on it because I'm like, I actually want to be a really shit hot DJ. I don't want to be typical like, I'm sorry, but I don't be a typical girl DJ that just actually can't properly use the It meant yeah, and I'm not gonna lie. I was like that for a long time and we have to start somewhere exactly. But like then I started to actually when I started to get to know the craft more I was actually embarrassed for myself because I was like, hang on like Mike it's not I wouldn't go and do a performance on the flute and not be able to play. Well. Yeah, so I want to actually be really good at this. That's actually so true like yeah, it's an instrument. Yeah, it isn't its react and so I just I started putting a lot like a lot more work into it. Also, there's decks in OTE now, they're old ones, but I used to just go in there and just practice in the evenings because I was like, I actually really want to become a good like like a real because I'm I know I'm a really good song selector like and to be honest at the end the day even if you can't mix or beat much in my opinion your songs need to be amazing that looks like as long as you're playing deadly music. That's what all that matters. I don't like wine key people that judge someone for like the way that they Blended a song. It's like the reality is that our normal Punta dancing does not care about that. They just want to dance and have a good time. So now I'm a lot happier with where I am as DJ now and I'm a lot like so much. I'm a lot more confident when I go into a gig now because I've really wanted to be like, I want to be like an expert at this. Yeah, but unfortunately I don't own deck. So I kind of had to just keep every time I was practice every time I was doing a gig was me practicing basically. Yeah, I know. Um because I do so many press gigs. It's so easy because they really kind of chill gigs. So that's another place for me to Brianna practice instead of club night. Do you know I mean, yeah. I've got a question again because I kept talking no. No, that was so interesting story. Don't taste like with pretty do you think it's important in radio and presenting obviously song collecting over his head is really important, but would you use do you like mash those skills together? Like would you kind of to be a presenter in radio and have to this property a really stupid question already shirt like have to kind of almost have that DJ kind of mindset. It depends what co-presenter you want to be. Yeah. I that's a really good question though. But so if you want to be like a deed a radio presenter, that is like a song selector mmm. We're like People so okay. You can't really think about it in terms of like set the 7:00 to 7:00 to 7:00 a.m. To 7:00 p.m. Right that's do a daytime stuff. And most of that is for entertainment. Okay, and you've got the same songs that's selected by the music director and you can have a bit of wiggle room in there. But you've got your because like there's different categories of music. There's like category ABC and it's what's on different what songs are on different rotations. For example, Miley Cyrus is nothing breaks like a heart is on. On constant rotation a fucking want to kill the song but that isn't a category song at the moment. Okay doing a lot of AirPlay, but then within that you can have wiggle room. So for example, Tracy Clifford, she has for sure one o'clock swill for and she has she comes in in the playlist is like you've got the set songs that I kind of have to be there. Yeah, but then she adds she puts so much of her own twist on that and she plays so much Irish music as well and she plays like really interesting music to I mean like yeah, she doesn't just stick to them. On the playlist for she is she's a DJ as well. So she actually she and she's a song selected. She wants to create a really good show. But so when you got like breakfast Republic, for example, they are more for entertainment purposes to I mean, so like it's more for they do like really fun games and they've got the crazy Molly. Yeah, they've got like entertainment stories and stuff. So it depends what show you're doing. For example, Dan Haggerty show his show is like 10 o'clock till 12 he He and he's he curates his playlist Louise mcsherry. Her show was all brand new music and she creates hers, but you don't have to be a DJ but it definitely does help in terms of your knowledge of music but like old macdermot. He's not a DJ but he's he's a radio DJ there is a difference. I don't know if I'm answering it properly. I'm no no, I got you because it's it's just one of those it's one of those jobs, I think presenting and being on the radio like even like presenting on the TV or whatever. That a lot of people are like, oh, that's something I'd love to but like people have no idea how to get into that myself included. Yeah, but there's so many people who are interested in it. But like they end up like even a few of my friends in college were interested in that but they're like, I actually like one I went into college. I was like, I don't know whether to do I'd like was like, I just want to be Lou through so I just I just I was like, I love you do film or journalism. I was like, I'll just do film because like I just didn't understand I didn't even research. Entire thing and and so many people are in the same situation. They're like wanted to be like presenters who starts when they didn't have no idea how to do it. So I don't think people even know what like skills. You have to have or like yeah, like what you should do. So if there was steps you could take like say someone's just in college and they want to do that. What would be the best things that they could do? I reckon the best thing they can do is make well basically first kind of figure out what kind of ready So you want to be I ought to - kind of want to be too. Usually you've got if you want to be like a talk radio presenter or music one. So you give me like a big music head where you just like select great music you don't do much talk or you want to be a talk radio DJ where a lot of it is about doing interviews and like having features and having guests on the show. So you kind of want to figure out if you want to do I like both because I love doing all that stuff, but I'm also mad into my music so So I guess you can hold them together as well. But that's what a lot of people ask you. What kind of represent you want to be? What kind of music do you want to play? And what shows do you listen to already? So kind of like have a really clear idea of where you want to go and in terms of radio now, you never know it might change when you get into it, but then also make a demo and then find out who's in charge of radio stations and also get to know other. So even like on Instagram go on follow all the Presenters in all the radio stations in the country. Okay, and I know that's excessive and you can put me at you pick right? Calm down. No, I think I've already done that. To be honest. I said, yeah, but you need to get to know people. Yeah and a lot of the time like these days friendships and networking relationships are all built in lot online. Yeah, and so even on Twitter is amazing for at like is you know, you follow people that work in different fields in times radio or TV or whatever and like say they put something funny up or a video and you Replying you're like or like old so gnarly nice restaurants to go to you and you play this restaurant the you know, like yeah, I do trying to get to know people so it's kind of a networking online start doing that. Okay to know who works in what radio stations and then get to I guess also find what what your morals are. Like would you be okay with being on a station that you are like? Oh, I don't not really mad on it, but I don't care. It's just radio. I just don't I don't really like that. Yeah, I believe people should be in it because they really are passionate. About entertainment pop culture news current affairs and music like you should because you genuinely want to give a service to people not just I just want to be on the radio. It's exactly just want to be famous. I hate that shit and there's a lot of that. I really really enjoy making people laugh and making people happy and that's why I do this. I love making people dance like wouldn't it when I'm DJing I get such a hell when people are like, you know, really into it. Yeah and And that's why they do it and same with radio like I love if someone laughs a joke I make like, you know, it's so yeah, and I love making people happy. So and that's why I do this, but I hate people that just don't hate the odd but like I just don't like yeah, we're like people and people expect like expect thanks, you know, yes such a stupid way to put like something that's like the way more complex than that, but I expect to like to be given something and eventually because maybe they've done this This okay guys, I'm so sorry my camera ran out of battery and I am literally a plague. But anyway, you were talking about you talking about District. Yes. So District magazine when I was fired from the cafe, I reached out to districts and said I wanted to like start working with them. And so I met up with Craig and Eric and started working in their office. And then it was through that that I had a lot of flexibility and radio because yeah, I had a lot more free time. So yes, I would writing for them. And so that was how I got to know a lot of people in record labels and stuff. Okay doing interviews. And I mean they let me do mad and Susan are like I interviewed like Chilli from TLC you introduced leapers. I think she really / and like I was really surprised shout out to Eric that he let me do that one. But like this was this is just before she like just exploded last year and she was so nice. She was really really sound so I interviewed her - see you. Shania Twain, but that wasn't actually for districts. That was for that was like yeah, we were you so nervous. I also kind of Imagine doing that. Oh, look, she's my queen like I love Shania Twain so much. Yeah, and I but I was so dumb so dumb, is that like on the phone? I was like, so basically the way it works is that it's like you call the record label or they call you and you're in the studio and then you wait and they're like, okay, we're going to like patch-through Shania. Yeah. I was like, okay cool. And so they pass through and usually they'd be like Tara meets Nia. Should I meet Tara? Yeah, and they would introduce you. So you'd know that someone's on the other line. They usually also have like music. What's it like on hold music? Yeah, and so I'm sitting there and I'm waiting and waiting and waiting for ages and then I just like car from like yeah right into the mic and then she's like hello. Yes, and I was like, oh my God, it's like speaking to God was that way? I'm so sorry. I just cuff here. Yeah, let's see it even if my hands or my mouth. I just want like into the microphone that she was like sad laughing. I was like, I'm so embarrassed. So embarrassed. I was like fuck this Shania Twain in this was my problem Notions of interview the days that might have been a bit refreshing mortified had no she was absolutely incredible and she's amazing. So I've done some really great work with districts and they also gave me a little platform to like DJ more so And I love them in there and an Airy I still love seeing them. So they're really great space for like creatives and stuff. But they it was great that I was able to work there as well. So but I kind of signed going so busy radio. I kind of had to I started doing more contribution pieces here and there but then I kind of got so busy with DJing then as well, but it's hard for me to find the time. Yeah, but I still want to do stuff with them because I'm just love what they produce. Yeah, there's they're actually so Yeah to finish I actually just was thinking I know this is like so cliche and annoying but how important is like being kind and like courteous to other people and you know, not thinking you're like like all that and you know in the industry, it's extremely kind extremely kind know it's extremely important. Yeah. It's fascinating. It is really really important. Honestly, like I Hate assholes like I fucking hate them with a passion. Mmm. I'm sorry like that. I know as I said those words I was like, wow, I need to relax but you probably think it's just you have anger issues. No, she does not but I feel like these days it's not tolerated in the industry anymore. If you're an asshole, you're not going to get anywhere. Where is that was a thing like yeah, a lot of people that you know, you hear stories of likes a really big people that they're actually a prick. Yeah. I don't think that that's necessarily a thing anymore. Or people just don't put up with it anymore. But I don't I don't like it. I hate it. Honestly, like I and sometimes it's tough when you see someone doing so well, that's actually an asshole. Hmm and they're not a nice person. That's what I mean. Like if you're not a good person. You're not nice to people. I don't think you deserve nice things and I know that sounds so mean. No, it doesn't end mean it's just a really really bugs me. It's one of the biggest thing that bothered me about beat that It bugs me about when people are not being nice being nice is the most important thing. Yeah, and if you're not naturally nice, then I know get a personality change. Yeah, that's what I always say to my boyfriend. I know this sounds it's so weird. But like when when I'm like he's doing psychology, so I'll be like I just don't understand why that person is hurt and he's like, oh maybe and I'm like I know but like it's easy like every day sometimes I'm having a terrible day but never be like rude to someone no and like if I ever was like so like Hello, you know when sometimes like your inconvenience, yes lightest weight. Yeah, and this has specially happens when I'm on my period. I got really bad PMS stuff and I turned to a bit of a demon and so and I mean demonizing like internally like I'll be like enraged at everything. Yeah, but I don't like say it. I'm glad but sometimes even if I'm like, I know if haven't said I didn't say thank you to the bus driver or say thank you for the coffee. I just got Or I didn't say thank you enough for something like that. Right? It'll fucking bug me for the rest of the day. That'll be on like yeah. Look, it'll be on my mind. I'll just be like, oh my God, I felt so bad about that and sometimes like say if I'm like busy at my desk and someone no no comes over and I'm like, hey, yeah good. Yeah like and say I'm young. I'm flat out and I don't have time to talk. I'll feel like it happened at the others week and this girl I know how to his talking about. Okay. I'm so sorry about to do this. Yeah, I fucking felt horrific. Yeah, I had to message. Well, I was like, I'm not trying to make out like I'm some fucking No, I'm the exact same time. So nice. No no, but it's more that like you make you go out of your way and that's probably why you have these amazing connections is because like you go out of your way like, you know yourself. Yeah that like you you get what you give exactly and I just like I messaged her on Instagram and I was like, I'm really sorry that I was such a bit earlier and she was like, no you weren't but like I know I wasn't myself. Yeah, I mean, but yeah, that's it and even in terms of you know, when like you were saying when you feel like you're bugging people and you're emailing them and that's like me right but like the way I've gotten all my contacts is because I reached out to people and even like when I first started probably DJing and to impress gigs, I emailed all of like the brand PR all of the pr agencies and Dublin as like, hey, my name is Tara. I'm a radio DJ into fa mi do the entertainment news. I'm a DJ I DJ R&B hip-hop house disco and cheese pop if we like going for that. Of cheesy Vibe, I would love to DJ at any events you have coming up and you know, I went to the pr agencies that obviously represent brand so I'm actually into because I want to do something that's just completely random but and that's how I started getting gigs. We have been like I'm a DJ this what I do, can you book me? Yeah, and the reason why I've been getting books again is because like, I think I'm pretty easy to work with. Yeah. Oh my God, I feel like I sound like such know you you don't have to talk about this. No, you don't I all its that's it was that's it. Again. That's it. That's exactly what we're talking about your day today just like yeah, like being honest and tell you exactly exactly but yeah being a nice person is the most important thing and if you're not a nice person doesn't just fuck off. Yeah. Yeah, like honestly, I don't like bitches a really don't like bitches and unfortunately, there's a lot of them in life. Don't get me wrong. I love to Spill the tea and bit about people I loved like that. It doesn't but no I mean like if you're not a nice person to people and you remain yeah, that's it. I'm just like not no time for it. Okay and being nice will get you so far. So that's my that's your words of wisdom fascinating. Okay guys are going to leave it there and just to save a little deep up thing. Thank you to do pop for sponsoring this podcast. You're an avid depop these around you fucking love do pop. It's the best thing ever. It is popped. Come work with me as well, please. I love to pop like it's like I just bought a pair of sunglasses Dior sunglasses on the oh my God. So bones my God. They're like Y2K like yeah. 2014 Sorenson. Amazing. Devon was amazing. Like I've I got my Louis Vuitton bag from a last year like the multicolored. Yes, and I've been looking for for ages. Yeah. Yeah. No, I did not but I wasn't asked any of this. She just adore D. It's the best it. I honestly it's like the best app like I emailed them as Yeah, and they were so nice. Yeah, like you emailed them and then they like yeah, he can't just expect I know you just your would go into your like sales pitch just there and I've totally like Bombay but the big a big thing I would say for people is to always just reach out to people and if they don't get back to you write them again. Yeah and be even more apologetic be like, hey, I'm so sorry. It's me again and that I've gotten so much shit from just me hassling someone and they're like, they're like, thank you for inviting me again. I forgot or whatever. Yeah. It's don't be afraid to put yourself out. They're definitely and putting yourself hustling and pulling us out. I went to London Fashion Week and the way I did was I fuck reached out to all of these people and I was like, I want to come to that show and I just hope the shit out of myself. Yeah, and I even like spoof my way into shows at London Fashion Week. I didn't have an invite for and I just walked up like I was meant to be there and that's that's yeah get shit. It's just you can't expect things just to come to you and that is my rant. Let's keep my no know if you've inspired me. I feel like I'm going to do so much when you leave today. 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Today we learn from one of my ultimate role models, Tara Stewert. From the very start of this podcast I wanted to ask Tara to be a guest, so it was an honour to talk about her career so far (I say 'so far' because this girl has BIG dreams which are sure to become realities). Tara has led the most intriguing, constantly evolving life so far from having worked as a Judge's Assistant when she left school to moving to Dublin to pursue a career as a musician. She tells me about growing up in Alice Springs, a small town in the fairly desolate Northern Territory of Australia, with her Malaysian  Mum and her Irish Dad and their life in their own bar and restaurant. We talk about why music became such an influential part of her expression and life from such an early age to now as a booked and busy DJ and Presenter that's also represented by Select Model Management in the UK. We also talk about how she became such a familiar voice to us in Ireland on RTE 2FM. Feeling at a standstill with her band and falling out of love with what she was doing, Tara saw an opportunity in a tweet from an Irish presenter that would change her career trajectory. With pure hustle and grit she made sure that she was noticed, cycling to the RTE buildings on her lunch break from waitressing just to make sure she was seen. It is beautiful to see how her hard work is paying off. Thank you so much to Depop for sponsoring this podcast! This week I asked Tara what Depop shop she was loving, her pick was @cool_as_kim_deal for great +size options of vintage and pre-loved clothing from the UK.

Welcome back to season one of Creepypasta - I'm your host Andrew. Please enjoy tonight's creepy reading. Let's begin. Twitchy legs written by Anonymous I've had this weird Twitch in my leg for weeks. Now, I researched it and the internet said that it was restless leg syndrome every single time. I went to go to bed my leg would kick as if begging me to get up and run around it was like my leg had more energy than my mind. It's been annoying. So I started taking potassium pills and other kinds of vitamins to make it stop. Well. It's been a day since I started taking the vitamins in the Restless like stopped except now I keep waking up with bruises all over my legs and I wake up with fresh cuts to that isn't the weird part though. I'm used to waking up with random bruises. I bruise so easily. I could be sitting on my desk get up and somehow bruised my arm by bumping into my chair but these bruises I wake up to now are aren't like typical bruises where I slam my legs against the wall in my sleep. I swear these bruises look like fingers. Jurors and Claw scrapings down my calves. I'm starting to think that maybe there was a reason for my Twitchy like I think and this may sound insane my body didn't want me to go to sleep because something is trying to take me. I don't think I'm going to sleep tonight.

Hey everyone, still recovering from surgery so i cant do to much work with long stories in editing right now, but please enjoy this short creepy pastas story that I will post in a matter of the up coming days. I have gotten feed back and thank you all for the support you guys rock! My Patreon is still not up but soon i will have exclusive content on there! Welcome to Creepy Pasta Myths, this is a new channel dedicated on all things creepy pasta, myths, urban legends, folk stories, and much more. Please enjoy today's episode and I hope you guys enjoy the content. please comment down below if there is anything I can do to change it or make it better. Feel free to send me your own stories to my email and I will give credit and a shout out for your story / creation.

Welcome to Seoul sugar. I'm your host carry rad. You might know me from my videos on YouTube. I love to chat about all things self-care self-love living our very best lives and finding our inner magic Soul. Sugar is a community of blooming Soul Seekers like sugar for your soul. Hello everyone. Welcome back to another An all-new episode of Soul sugar podcast. I am so excited about today's guest. I'm so fascinated by this we have dr. Marisa here on the line. She is the author of The recently released book The Essential Oils hormone solution the field guide to women everywhere who are ready to achieve vitality and health with essential oils. She is regularly featured with top National media such as dr. Oz The Huffington Post and Mind Body green. We're her interviews and segments have helped Millions. She is also the host of essentially you podcast where she talks about all aspects of essential oils. I am so happy to have you here. Dr. Marisa. I am so grateful to be here. Thank you so much. I find it. So fascinating how essential oils can be used in so many different ways and I know I defuse essential oil in my home, but that is pretty much the extent of what I know and how How I use them and so I'm so excited to talk with you of and it just hear about all of the other ways. We could use essential oils like balancing out our hormones and so much more. Oh, I'm so excited to have that conversation. Yeah, we can talk about all the things related to oils and how they can serve. I mean if you've got questions girl, I've got answers. Yay. Okay. So first off, I want to know more about you and your journey. So tell me about your own journey and How you became? So passionate about essential oils. Absolutely. So my journey didn't start with oils my journey really started with hormones and it's kind of been my area of expertise for over a decade. I found that a lot of women including myself didn't really understand what was going on with our bodies didn't understand this the warning signs and the symptoms that we were dealing with were actually hormonal imbalances. And so when I was 30 years old, I was in practice seeing patients. I was so excited and I had I had Erased my way to get into practice, you know, I went from school to work to school to work. Like it was just it was crazy and I had this very much survival mentality and this people-pleasing mentality that really drove me into the ground. I was I was fueled by chronic stress and coffee and I don't think it was peanut M probably was kind bars back in the day like whatever little something something I could get through but his remember leveraging stress as my fuel and I thought to myself back then that I was managing it. I was rocking my stress levels. I was living this crazy crazy lie until and I remember saying to myself as long as I'm not crawling on the floor. I am killing it until I absolutely was I was crawling on the floor. I had the worst chronic fatigue that I hope I will never have again and I don't wish that kind of chronic fatigue on anybody and I remember when I was kind of went and like the Pinnacle of that moment when I woke up one of the days that after sleeping seven hours and it literally felt like this invisible hand was pressing me back into the bed. Like I remember thinking to myself. I don't know if I can get up. I don't know if I can take care of my patients. I don't know how I'm going to function today and it was such a kind of a lonely scary place and initially I went to blame and I remember thinking like I had done this to myself like this was all my fault and going I went to a doctor because I had a friend of mine who would Somebody because even as a practitioner, you should not probably self-diagnose. You should probably go and see somebody else have them run labs and have a very different and unbiased opinion and I remember going to the doctor's and that particular practitioner. Literally my labs basically said hormone hot mess. I'm pretty sure that's what they said on them. And I remember when she finally scripted me up to solve these problems mainly this chronic stress that I was dealing with of this chronic fatigue. She recommended birth control and Xanax. That was the recommend that was the script recommendation. And I remember feeling so not heard. I remember filling the very big disconnect and knowing that this wasn't what was going to be the case. So I devoted a lot of my studies a lot of my research to figure out how to get myself well and realizing that so many other women were dealing with the same thing. Probably the biggest lesson there was that I was not unique that they were millions of women dealing with the same thing that I was dealing with now over the course of a couple of years. I got a lot of things right I figured out a lot of things She was managing my stress better. I was taking care of my lifestyle of doing more self care, even though the time we weren't actually calling itself care just felt like habits, but one of the things that I wasn't able to kick was that I was chronically sick all the time and we know that the that are that are stress hormones are major immune system regulators. And when I threw off those stress hormones, one of the things that I just did not get back online was my immune system and it was it was still kind of crumbled to the ground. So I Getting sick with strep throat colds and flus pretty much consistently every month. If not every other month and I couldn't kick it no matter how many nasty herbs and tinctures and vitamin. I mean all the vitamins all the herbs all the nasty drinks. I was drinking it. I was doing all of it and yet I was still getting sick all the time. So I good friend of mine had an immune system blend and she had been using oils on her family for quite some time. Probably about a year and you know, it's one of my dearest friends and she was just like I am so sick and Tired of hearing your always sick, like you're always sick all the time. She's like, I think I have a oil blend and essential oil blend that can help you. You know, I want you to start using it. So she mailed it to me and I did because at this point I was so desperate to not miss work. I was so desperate to feel better. I would have done anything. I would have drank more nasty yucky stuff. And so I started using this blend and let me tell you I honestly had no idea what I was doing. I was just I was slathering it all over myself. I was diffused. Using it. I was playing it and T. I was putting on the bottom my feet. I mean I was bathing in it literally in Epsom salt baths and lo and behold I did not get sick that entire winter for that three months would normally I would get sick at least three to four times and not only that three months but fast forward three and a half years later. I had not gotten sick in three and a half years. So that was the beginning of my Essential Oil Journey all kind of wrapped up in you know, what had happened to me about two years prior. Wow, that is so cool. And I can totally relate to that feeling of almost just pushing yourself so far and feeling like okay. Well as long as I'm pushing myself and you know, I'm working hard and I'm passionate about what I'm doing and you know, I have all these things to do you feel like okay. I'm I'm doing something right right. I'm I'm going for my goals. I'm working hard, but I feel like so many people can relate to the fact of like you just push. Yourself to the point where you're just like I cannot get out of bed. And I love the fact that you just kind of implemented that journey and that experience that you were having into your practice and into what you do and you've created this awesome platformer where you're sharing, you know, more holistic and natural ways to go through this and the fact that you know, the first thing that was recommended to you was birth control and Xanax. That's that's crazy to me, but it is true and it's very it's so common. It is so common. You know, we see here's the thing and I can get into it's a whole different so box and we're not going to have time for that today, you know, so often it's been thought in all the the hundreds of years that we've been we've had modern medicine. We are quick to write off women's symptoms as being somatic as being it's all in their head and that's what it felt like to me that day that she ignored the burnout or not even that she ignored it that she didn't have the skills. Maybe that's just not the skill. That she had clearly I had severe burn out. I had mitochondrial dysfunction. There were probably some other things going on and let me tell you the solution was not an anti-anxiety medication or birth control my menstrual cycle. Although my PMS was not not I was not having a good time with that because it was having an impact because stress has a major impact on our menstrual cycle mainly because of the pregnant alone steel which literally steals progesterone and makes PMS significantly worse. And I didn't know that at the time because even myself I hadn't had a a ton, you know a breadth of the physiological hormone information. And so I was so grateful that this happened to me in a way because I gotta dig dig into the Nitty Gritty but let me tell you birth control doesn't manage any of that doesn't manage menstrual cycles doesn't manage acne. It doesn't only thing that birth control is good for is ensuring that you don't get pregnant and there are a lot of other ways to ensure that you don't get it. Pregnant outside of hormonal birth control, so I'm not a big fan of birth control. I'm so grateful that we have it but the side effects and the implications for something like a synthetic drug like that is just it's just it can be so great for so many people. I just interviewed a woman yesterday on my podcast. Dr. Sara Hill and her book. She has a new book coming out called basically what the pill does to our brain and it was frightening. It was a frightening interview. And so Fact that this woman is giving me these two medications she ate, I just felt so brushed off. I felt I felt ignored I felt brushed off and I felt like so many other millions of women who've walked out of a doctor's office except that at least I felt like I knew enough that it was not the right move. Whereas so many women don't and that is why it's been my my mission my crusade whatever you want to call it to put the information out there so that we can make educated decisions about our health and wellness. This one of the reasons why I love essential oils is that so much of our healing can really happen at home. It's lifestyle and leveraging Powerful plant based medicine to me is such a beautiful way to truly heal the body and you know, we were just in Europe five five weeks ago back in the month of May and June and we had our 20-plus oils on us and let me tell you everything came up from headaches to Kink next to to grouchy moments to bug bites to sunburn. I mean all of it, right and we not one time did we go to a pharmacy not one time that that was that necessary we had oils for all of those those emergencies they'll and they're not big emergencies are little things but those little things happen every single day and if we could use a natural option for those types of little things then I think that we are one step closer to really just being more mindful about using a natural approach to heal our body. Absolutely. Can you share with me some of your favorite essential oil recipes and also with that I'm like dying to know because this is this is probably my biggest question surrounding what you do and I'm I'm curious about how exactly do you recommend people use these oils. Are you talking about defusing them? Are you using them as a topical treatment or are you consuming them or is it all three? It is all three depending on the situation. The great thing about it is for all the hundreds of oils that are out there because there's probably about Hundred essential oils out there. If not more the great thing about it is there only is three ways to use them. Now one thing that's super important to note that no matter which way you use them whether it's topical it's inhalation through aromatic or it's even internal and we'll talk about the caution around internal and just a moment. But each way of each of those ways is systemic every single way you use those oils. They are systemic. So if you're using them aromatically they are in the bloodstream in 60 ends upon breathing them in like that's how fast and we're talking about millions of molecules. Right? So if someone doesn't feel comfortable using them topical or internal best believe you are going to get some serious benefit by just simply breathing them in and so it just really depends so when I think about breathing oils and let's just take the easiest way to use an oil it's literally uncapping it and holding it to your nose and breathing it in that's called direct inhalation and you can have an indirect inhalation is through a diffuser and there's a couple of Four ways that you can wear diffuser jewelry. You can wear it on your scarf you can you know, there's a lot of different ways to have indirect inhalation at the end of the day. It's also going into the brain. It's also going to the lungs it's going into the bloodstream, but the reasons why I recommend aromatic usage one it's easy, but to most of the time at least the people that I'm working with are dealing with emotional upheaval they're dealing with cognitive concerns like brain fog. They're dealing with stress. They're dealing With Cravings, you know, I work with women they are dealing with a lack of energy. They're feeling fatigued and they're dealing with an inability to go to sleep at night and by breathing oils in it's got to be, you know, a specific combination and the Beautiful Thing, is it boils or adaptive? So a lot of the oils do very similar things like, you know, if you want to use lavender, it's going to calm you down. It's great for stress. It's great for sleep. But also with Clary Sage is the same has very similar chemical constituents to Lavender. And so, you know, you don't have to have The exact recipe you can kind of play with it and figure it out and that's what my book The Essential Oils hormone solution does is it gives you the reason why I have so many recipes in there. I really wanted to demonstrate to people the here's 15 different sleep Blends. You don't have to have the exact sleep recipe right? So that's why I love aromatic for me my emotional well-being my emotional status how I'm feeling every day how I want to feel I think that with essential oils you can literally Choose your mood you want to feel this kind of way? Here's this oil. You want to feel you want to feel happy citruses? And mince you want to feel you want to calm things down and feel more ease and Grace a Jasmine lavender Clary Sage, right? You want to feel more grounded sound of wood Cedar Wood, you know, you can figure out and kind of choose how you want to feel so then there's that's aromatic that scintillation but topical, you know, as a practitioner that was the first way that I recommended oils because I was treating conditions Well putting oils on the body. It's literally treating the area of concern. You've got a stomachache put them on your tummy. You got you got asthma or you've got respiratory issues put them on your lungs. You've got a headache put them on put them on the area where your headache is a tension headache on the temples. Maybe it's a serviço genic headache or a Met migraine headache. It's going to be on the back of the neck, right? So it's really being specific but I don't want people to do is if they've got a tummy ache to put the oils on their Shin, you know, because it's not going to get to the area of concern. And very fast it they'll probably get there at some point. But if you want to treat a tummy ache or you want to treat like let's say you're working on acid reflux. You want to put oils on the in kind of that upper area near the rib cage because that's where the esophageal area is. So that makes sense. Yes, and it's so fascinating. I know I said that at the beginning but I just find it so cool because I love essential oils and I use them. I just diffused a lemongrass last night because lemongrass makes me feel kind of Zen doubt but also energized at the same time and it's emotionally released oil. It's great for emotional release its but it's very Zen. I love it. Yeah. I love I love I love lemon grass with lavender and I love it with Bergamo. I like to mix laughing or lemongrass in with some other oils. Yeah. I bet it would be lovely with lavender. I like lavender to in the bedroom when I'm getting ready to go to sleep. I love Lemon Grass like in the living room when I'm like wine. Being down reading a book and I just diffused lemongrass last night when my fiance and I were reading and we both felt we were like this feels like a spa. It smells like a spa. It was really nice. So just hearing about, you know, being able to implement that in so many different ways and really thinking about you know, I always think about essential oils in a way where I'm like, I really like this scent and I think that that's a really nice way to look at it, but it's also so cool that each and every cent can You something specific to your mood and your energy and just like some emotional release like you said with lemongrass. I find that it makes a lot of sense though, too. Because lemongrass does make me feel that way. I have another question for you and it is how do women know if their bodies are out of balance. Are there signs do we only know if we go to the doctor? Is there something that you can kind of pinpoint to know, you know? Oh, okay. I'm out of balance here. I need to get this inch absolutely. Well, I think it's important to just kind of give a little bit of a kind of context or background and explain a little bit about what hormones are. I don't think we realize how important they play a role in the body hormones really dictate so much in the body. They're inextricably connected to our neurotransmitters. Some of them are both right both neurotransmitter and hormones and they're inextricably connected to emotional ligands because emotions are molecules. I'd so crazy. I think about that but girl that's the way it is inside of the body. Right? And so they're all interconnected and mind you hormones are helping you think about what hormones do they're regulating the immune system the regulating the metabolism the regulating your body temperature the regulating cognitive function emotional well-being. They're regulating growth reproduction digestion. I mean insulin regulation all of these things are so so critical so critical blood pressure. You're right and these are some of these things are vital. Signs or some of these things are absolutely necessary for us to function every single day every single second of the day. And so what I've what we've learned kind of simplify it when when whatever and whatever type of stressors coming in right? There's some major root causes that create dysfunction inside of the body root causes like kidding infections root cause is like environmental toxins root causes like trauma and chronic stress perceived chronic stress, right you running around like a chicken with your head cut off everywhere from one thing to the next color. In women syndrome, right you the rushing people syndrome, but let's be honest women. We are handling a lot of tasks think of us having like a thousand arms at once and just dipping into all the things right and that that creates stress on the system and then the you know, and then we've been there's the last big root cause is nutrient deficiencies do to maybe gut issues either a leaky gut or gut dysbiosis depending and here's the deal is your hormones are trying to mitigate all of this as all of these things are coming in and they are the first ones to throw up the white flag. They're the ones are like hello. Something isn't right here. We got a problem. And so how that looks some of the major concerns that we see are these icy and definitely have experienced myself brain fog fatigue, especially fatigue in the morning or fatigue in the afternoon filling wired and tired at night having mental chatter before going to bed PMS serious PMS, we've normalized PMS premenstrual cycle, but you know what PMS is not All it isn't we're not supposed to be in that much pain. We're not supposed to be having you know that much upheaval as we're heading into our menstrual cycle. So if PMS symptoms are pretty crazy weight resistance is a big one too. All of a sudden for no reason you just holding on to wait and you can't let it go no matter how many spin classes you go to and how many celery juice has you drink. It's just nothing's budging right? Those are big ones low libido skin issues hair loss or brittle, you know, Bree. All skin maybe it's temperature deregulation. Like you're just running cold. Maybe it's a sluggish digestive system chronic constipation. All of these things are a signal that your hormones are off. I'm just like yes, that might be me that may be because I think that it's like it's good to focus on these things and recognize when there is an issue. I notice on your Instagram that you talked a lot about thyroid imbalance and adrenal fatigue and first off. Can you break this down for us? Like what is a thyroid and what our adrenal glands and also the second part of my question is how does someone know if their thyroid specifically is out of balance or if they're if they're adrenal is fatigued absolutely such a great question. So those two endocrine glands because their glands kind of so adrenal gland the thyroid gland the parathyroid gland even the pancreas is lots of different. I mean at the pink race is not an endocrine gland but Testes and ovaries are it or glands as well? So here's how it works your body. Your brain is receiving messages. It's inside the limbic system and this limbic system is housing the hypothalamus and the pituitary gland now the hypothalamus is like Houston for NASA. It's receiving signals. It's sending signals and it's sending signals to the pituitary gland. Now the pituitary gland is what we call the the master hormone Master gland. So we've got Houston control and then we've got the master gland it sends. Signals it sense. It actually sends its own hormones out and it's and it sends basically hormones that tell the thyroid so that one would be thyroid stimulating hormone or for the adrenals. It's going to be it's going to be in a basically a hormone that's telling your adrenals to release epinephrine norepinephrine or cortisol. Now epinephrine and norepinephrine are let's say you just got into a car accident. That's adrenaline those those two in cortisol is more for prolonged. Dress so it kicks in maybe 10 minutes or 20 minutes later and it can stay around for even longer to help regulate insulin regulate metabolism regulate the thyroid and regulate the immune system to paint on was so cortisol has some major jobs. It's got to do it's not a bad hormone, but it can absolutely be overused not specifically because the adrenals are doing anything it's because you're sending messages or your body sending messages to the hypothalamus and the limbic system and it's all what we call a negative feedback loop. Loop so there's you know a hypothalamus pituitary adrenal. It's adrenal feedback loop and then there's a hypothalamus pituitary thyroid feedback loop and the cool thing about it is that they're all interconnected as well because if indeed your body is sending you a signal or your adrenals a signal and then your adrenals release cortisol to get your entire body ready for fight or flight. Let's say there's a tiger behind you or a scary stranger behind you. You're going to need a Leverage. Your metabolism to either fight or run. And so your thyroid kicks back into that. So often times when we see that women are or people in general are dealing with a thyroid issue 75% of people who are dealing with a thyroid issue are women. We are we know that most likely the adrenals are involved and it's not so much the adrenals because they're just they're just the messenger. They're not necessarily the cause. It's really the chronic stress. That's the cause. It's just that your adrenals are involved in that process. SS what I always tell people is if you've got a thyroid issue you most likely have a chronic stress issue as well call it an adrenal issue. It's technically not the adrenals the adrenals again are just the middleman. But if so that's oftentimes the case because cortisol and your thyroid hormones T4 and T3 are extremely integrated together. So just note that that cortisol is important for the conversion of T4 to T3. So T 4 is a thyroid hormone. That's It's mostly converted in the liver and then to your active T3, which is your thyroid hormone, which has a receptor sites on every single cell in the body. And that's why the thyroid is so important. It's literally it's literally your metabolism. It's the gas pedal so it controls metabolism. It controls body temperature. It controls digestive function, you know, and so when you're if your thyroid isn't working for whatever reason and there's a couple different root causes that could be that just note that if we're not also addressing these chronic stress concern then we're not actually addressing the whole kit and caboodle. That's just understanding the relationship. How do we know that the thyroid isn't functioning? Well, it's super important to know that it usually takes four to seven years on average for a woman to actually get an official thyroid diagnosis, which is heartbreaking and it's because we have normalized so many of these symptoms but keep clear symptoms of thyroid dysfunction. Particularly hypothyroid and I can talk about hyperthyroid as well. But hypothyroid is a you've got chronic constipation, right? Because your digestive system has slowed down so much that peristalsis is slow down you are cold. So if you find yourself wearing socks to bed every night or you are always have a jacket no matter where you go something to look into hair is brittle or it's falling out low. Libido feeling fatigued feeling stressed weight resistance. So for some reason you Can't lose weight to save your life for some reason and then dry skin and cracked heels and lastly brain fog brain fog is a big indicator for low. Thyroid function high. Thyroid function is the antithesis. It's closer. Like potentially Graves disease where you are losing weight rapidly, you're very very anxious and you're sweating all the time and your skin. It's kind of it's always sweaty. It's always kind of greasy sweaty. So that would be that would be the opposite of hypothyroid. Hyperthyroidism as typical most of the time with women we see hypothyroid. Let's take a quick break from this conversation to hear a word from our sponsor simple habit. I've been doing a ton of travel lately. 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You may have something smoldering what's called with call that the inflammation fire, but you want to know what the gasoline is. It stress stress is the gasoline and so you it I may not be that now could stress alone cause your thyroid to create dysfunction. Yes. Absolutely. It's not always the case though. Usually it's a it's a trifecta or it's multiple things. Usually it's a combination and you have to think about all of these root causes as stressors in their own right? Your thyroid is such so delicate and it is such it's kind of like a it's a receptor for toxic load basically, so if you got toxins in the body best believe Thyroid is going to take a hit from that so it could be a stressor of toxicity. It could be a lack of nutrients. Maybe you don't have the right nutrients to fuel your thyroid. It could be a sluggish liver. It could be gut dysbiosis. And then also it could be an auto immunity which all those root causes that I just mentioned could also trigger an auto immunity as well. So but then you've got the stress piece to which is also a major route cause maybe there's lingering unresolved. And Trauma that could lead to it as well. And this is what's so heartbreaking about about training the thyroid or about treating hormones, you know hormone hormone therapy thyroid therapy. It's all a big business. Let's just call it what it is. And what what what ends up happening is you finally you yell at your doctors and not be shot at your doctor's enough you Advocate refer yourself enough. Something isn't right. Something isn't right and finally a doctor finally say, okay. Well, let's look and hopefully they run the right labs and hopefully there. Their room this is all the things that go wrong in the process. Hopefully the because oftentimes doctors are just looking at the thyroid stimulating hormone. And the thing about the thyroid stimulating hormone is it's not a thyroid hormone. It is a pituitary hormone designed to stimulate the thyroid. It's a terrible indicator fourth dysfunctions. Only only time that the tea that your thyroid stimulating hormone is going to really start to whack out is way down line like you've had hypothyroid. For seven years, then you're to your thyroid stimulating hormone is going to start to show up in a bad space. But also our normal values for where the thyroid stimulating hormone land is too large. It needs to be far more narrow. So you may have hypothyroid, but in terms of your conventional doctor, they're like, oh you're a normal range. You're totally fine and yet your hair is falling out and you can't go to the bathroom and you're putting on weight and you know, something isn't right, but they're just like yeah, but your labs are fine. You look great. Eight go home and maybe take some Xanax. Just shame how much you have to fight you or you being an advocate advocate for yourself and for your own health. I know for me when I went in recently to do a pap smear. She did a breast exam as well. And there was a lump that has been a concern of mine for a long time. It's been checked before but I wanted to get it checked again and to get a referral to go to see somebody who would give me a ultrasound or mammogram was just so difficult. I am Had to beg her to get me to go and then when I went in they wanted to do a mammogram and they wanted to do an ultrasound but it was so difficult to just get her to to refer me or to look into it further or and it and this is a conversation I had with somebody on a podcast prior Meghan tonjes. It's just like why do we have to fight for it? It doesn't make any sense to me. It's just so confusing to that you have to you know, really like it there in and kind of like just beg them to look further and I'm sure this is not like the norm and the grand scheme of things. I mean, I'm not saying that every single doctor is this way, but it is very reoccurring when visiting doctors between me and and just people that I talk to absolutely absolutely, you know, there's a book that I that I love that really kind of goes into the nuts and bolts of this and it's really alarming, you know, we just haven't focused a lot on women's health and Roll, it's kind of been this thing where we just keep putting it to the Wayside. I'm like you realize it's half the population like maybe we should focus on women. I had email I had interviewed a woman. She her name's Maya dunes and Barry and she had written a book and it's a book that I absolutely love and it was called the truth about how bad medicine leave women dismissed misdiagnosed and sick and this has been going on for centuries, you know, and and it's only only it was only in the nineteen like night. 1894 the Congress mandated that we had to study women's bodies for medical diagnostic research treatment research and Drug research until the night till 1994. It wasn't even mandated and so it wasn't done that is nice and then in the last 20 years or so, even though now it's mandated nothing's really changed that much you would think it would be such a primary focus, you know women reproduce, you know. Like it's just women are the reason why or who knows? Yeah, and it's just so bizarre to me that it's not a focus but on another note speaking of women and how important it is to focus on their health and understand it. What am I questions for you was do essential oil recipes work the same for men as they do for women, or do you do recommend different recipes when you when you deal with men and essential will they abso my husband? And lots of other husbands and and not the guys don't use oils on their own. I'm sure that they do I just think of, you know, all the all the ladies that I've supported their husbands use so many oils laps you my husband's got his own. My husband has his own piles, you know, he is a favorite stuff but the same oils we use for sleep for energy for mental focus for for concentration for Bruno overcoming brain fog for Cravings. I mean a lot of the same recipes for sane people, you know, men like for instance one of the things that When guys have a lot more of than girls do was like ingrown hairs and just stuff that comes up on there's like I just have stuff, you know and their skin and their toes so like the It fixes both women and men but like my husband uses a lot more tea tree oil than I do right a lot more oregano oil than I do, you know if he's got like or if he got a cut from shaving, you know, lavender and Melaleuca or lavender and frankincense. So there's oils that probably my husband uses more of than I do just because he's a guy, you know uses guys stuff and that's probably why he's so into it because he has you like leading him through the process. I know my fiance like now love skincare and also really likes when we defuse essential oils and he liked perks up his interest because he's like, okay. Well, this is cool. There's like this whole world of like relaxation and taking care of ourselves that they like. He never really thought about until we got together. So I'm sure your husband's like I've got the queen of essential oils. What's so funny? My husband's mom was this energy healer and she was using oils on Him, I didn't even know about essential oils. He grew up with them mind you when he was in college and after college, he wasn't using them but he did have a couple when I met him and so yeah, he grew up with them. Whereas II grew up on nasty. You know, you remember that. I don't know if you remember the Tylenol like the orange Tylenol syrup. I remembered like that was my thing. So we're Alex was growing up on eucalyptus and and and clove oil and oregano oil and tea tree oil. I was growing up on that that orange syrup. So Okay. Yeah, so he's got the inside scoop of it all that's cool. I love that. So I have two more questions for you that I'm dying to know first off energy for me recently has been my biggest it's you know, I've definitely learned to relax. I know how to relax. I'm not a ball of stress anymore. And I think that that's why I do what I do these days is that's why I love focusing on self-care and ways to unwind and ways to connect with nature and ways to just release the stress. Just possible because I did get to that same point as you where I was just like I can't be this dressed anymore. It's not good for my health. And I hate it for me. The hardest thing lately has been dealing with energy. I have been so much more tired than usual. I know that I have a lot of travel plans coming up. There's a lot of deadlines and I can just feel the stress kind of creeping up that primarily just like pinpoints on My energy to where I am kind of like getting up out of bed thinking about okay. I have so much on my plate. Like what would you what would you recommend for an energy? Because yeah when I get stressed about all the things I need to do it directly focuses and affects my energy. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. So the ultimate instant energy blend the I have used on probably a million women with great success is just two essential oils. And I usually do I have it in a roller. I usually do 10 drops of each in a 10 mil roller top it off with jojoba oil or grapeseed oil or fraction of coconut oil, whatever wherever you love and if you really need to up the dose on that to get to 15 each. You can absolutely do that. You just got to play with what feels good to you and it's just wild orange or Tangerine or grapefruit. Personally. I love wild orange. I like a sweet orange because it's it's so energy. It's literally like a liquid energy bunny. It's literally wild oranges to me and then peppermint because Perma not only oxygenates the lungs but it brings oxygen to the brain which helps to boost mitochondrial function. And what's so great about citruses is they are powerful happy neurotransmitter boosters. They're just not only great energy boosters, but also happiness boosters and I just take a roller of that. It's like I call it my instant energy blend. I rolled over my Palms rub my Palms together because might as well get a little on my wrist and everything and then just take five deep conscious belly breaths and let those oils go in and let Tell you you will go from zombie to superstar in like five seconds and it's so easy. It's just to oil. Yeah, you know and I do normally recommend I Lucien, you know, that's the it's that way it's already ready and it's in a roller and it's super easy and you just take it with you on the go but I use I mean, that's the blend that I used to wake up in the morning. I it's literally by my bedside. It's it goes to me the to the gym we did today is gym workout was triceps chest and abs and I was just not in the mood. I didn't want to go and you know because we had to go at seven in the morning and you know, that little blend is just right there on the kitchen counter every day. We have several of them. We each of us have our own, you know, because they're so inexpensive probably cost us like three dollars to make one, you know, so we have multiples around the house that way, you know, it's never out of sight and it's never out of mind. I'm totally going to use that and I'm sure my listeners. I mean, I feel like energy is such a common thing that we all deal with just because you know, we're all just so busy going going going. In this day and age and in this Society, so I think it's so cool to know just how to get like a little perk up in the morning. That is not just always depending on coffee like an essential oil to just breathe in feel that energy. I'm excited to try that out. So thank you for that and your experience. This is my last question for you. What do you think? The biggest block around self-care is for women? Like what do you think holds back women? Because I know a lot of people this day and age are becoming so much more curious about Self-care, which is so awesome. And so many people are practicing self-care, but I know that there is like a group of women at because I hear from them all the time. I get them in the comments of my YouTube videos. I get them in the DM on my Instagram where they're just like I just don't know how to begin. I don't know some things like blocking me from diving into this and what do you think of wow absolutely know what that is what that is is worthiness. We don't think we deserve it. We hold a lot of Shame and A blame for why we are struggling and that's what Society is always told us and I think that first step I always tell people the first two steps to to Healing is one self-awareness, you know, kind of figuring out what's going on with your body because you could run on fumes forever and not even know it I live that world. And then that next one is is really just recognizing that you matter that you deserve to heal that you deserve to prioritize yourself. And that's all about worthiness. And I think that we have, you know, from whatever we grew up with. Whatever someone may have told us that that's the biggest struggle and once we can get to a place where we know that we deserve it. Then we make time for it. We honor it we cherish it. And that would be the biggest thing. I know for me that was it. You know, when I was in that first start of that healing Journey when I was dealing with my chronic fatigue, I kept I was I felt like I was doing a lot of the right things I was Following the protocols, you know and but I kept Landing myself right back where I started and that's because I wasn't honoring myself enough. I was still saying yes to things. I was still sign up for obligations. I was still you know, you know, I still had lots of toxic stuff going on in my world. And once I got really clear on I need to honor I need to honor my time. I need to honor what matters to me honor my body and that I deserve this it all. Shifted I love that you mentioned that and I think that that is such an excellent. Take away from this podcast episode is just thinking about ways to bring up your self love and to work on that and to just come to realization that we are all worth it. We are all deserving of feeling good and I think that that is such an excellent point and it just makes so much sense because when we don't feel like we deserve it because some people have this mentality where they think Is you know is this self care and this self love taking time for ourselves is this selfish I have so much to do a lot of my listeners have kids and they have families in there. Just like I just don't have time to take care of me, but there's always time to devote to yourself and it will help you give back to other people so much easier and so much more abundant. So I absolutely love that. You said that because it is seriously the truth it is the bottom line of why someone would be b or feel blocked from being able to take care of them. It's a disempowering beliefs Block. It's a limiting belief block its but it's a block that assume that we've been taught to have and it's uncovering that block that's going to be the big win. You know, it's really about you know, you know writing down that I'm I'm deserving. I'm I deserve love I deserve healing I deserve, you know, I deserve to prioritize myself, you know, so often women are like absolutely not like I need to take care of everyone else first. I'm on the back burner and recognizing that in order for us to really show up big in the world. We've got to take time for ourselves, you know, and that's the big piece and one of my favorite quotes by Maya Angelou is if I don't take if I don't if I'm not good to myself. How is anyone else going to be good to me? And that's really what it is is you got to love yourself for all that love to come into the world come into your into your world into your sphere. I love that and believe it wholeheartedly. Alright now it is time for our soul sugar. Moment. I'm going to have dr. Maurice of Schneider lead us through it. So you take it away. I just wanted to share in our sin the soul sugar moment that if you haven't learned self-care is not selfish. It is not Self Indulgence, but rather care, I think that we should all consider self-care as a non-negotiable. And that first step is just asking yourself every single day. What can I do to fuel my own happiness? Thank you so much. And I love that question. Thank you for being here today and just spilling all of your knowledge. I learned so much today. And if you could please let my listeners know where they can find you. Okay? I we all right. Now you guys can find me on my podcast. It's called the essentially you podcast and it's dedicated to women's hormone Health with all the the biggest experts out there. We cover topics from PCOS Indonesia. This isn't everything in between you can find the book The Essential Oils hormone Solution on Amazon. And any where books are sold and then my website is dr. Maurice a.com. Awesome. Thank you so much. 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Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of mommy group we got a good one today we are talking Chrissy Teigen and not losing all the weight after this baby her beautiful postpartum. Yeah, baby belly and LDL. Yeah, we're ruining it for a representing for The Mamas. I love you Christine. We love it. We're trying out Kim Kardashian who's having baby number four. And is it only the Kim K is of the world that could manage for I'm so jealous. She just has all the resources are.Would you really want to have more than two? Well, we'll talk about that in the Pod. We're talk about Sarah Silverman who called out Hulu for charging her $1,500 for hair and makeup for the Emmys hilarious story. We'll get into that and Amy is gonna School us skincare skincare. We're getting lots of tips lots of tricks and then as always we're going to give you guys our favorite finds products that were crushing on no affiliation. Just good old-fashioned product love. Let's do it. Thank you UPS. Okay, we're good across this and I really thought of myself since I'm pregnant baby's coming in three months, but Chrissy Teigen recently interviewed herself, which is great. I love how she has like these soliloquies on Twitter and just decides to bring up things. But she talked about her body now post-pregnancy weight gain, and she kind of was just like Unapologetic. This is what I look like now she even said basically I'm 20 pounds. Than I was before miles. He's 10 months old and I really just never lost the weight because I love food so much and I'm just coming to terms with my new normal. She even said like I never have to be in a swimsuit again. Like this is the body that I have and of course Twitter and Instagram freaked out and start judging our bad one of the things that she said that I thought like, how could you possibly judge someone when you read this because she says the thinnest ice I've ever been was right after Luna postpartum depression. I'll take these pounds and this feeling as opposed to postpartum depression. Open to me I cannot imagine. I mean, there's just haters no matter what but I can't imagine reading that knowing that someone was only looking that way because of the torture that they were living in and you still decide to talk shit, but the sad part about that and this is where I think you have to break up reality from celebrity a little bit too. Is that even if as much hate as Chrissy Teigen like someone of her stature on social media might get because of it, you know, of course, there's those haters that are like, oh you're so fat now and you were so Whatever. You don't look the way you did. The reality is. I feel like she has so much positivity around her like from that celebrity status of like the upper echelon of people who are you know, we talked about being accepted. She has that around her so really like even if she she I feel like someone like her she can actually say I'm comfortable being 20 pounds heavier. I'm so I was definitely kind of saw this coming like she's always shared her stretch marks. Yeah, she's talked about how she was dealing with alcohol, you know abuse right after her her daughter because she was so depressed like she's always been so honest about everything. So the fact that she's saying like quit asking me kind of thing. This is what my body looks like and I'm okay with it you should too is awesome. She actually I mean I will say there's a some of those people that make you feel like I just love you and you make me feel real like it's okay to be real. She's definitely one of those like, I recently I don't know if you guys saw that I we talk about this all the time about getting the hater-aide on Instagram. I was in Hawaii for spring break and I posted and the funny thing is I posted a picture of me and Is it which it's already hard enough for me? Because I just feel like you know your mom and your dad and I were actually one speaking to the swimsuit as being something that really was growing right? I know every girl look like a thick pad that the line doesn't it? Okay shut the book on hold on. Hold on. I saw what happened but like an orally I'm sorry, but you can't talk. I'm looking up your computer. Go ahead look at it, but I was even speaking. In fact that like it's so hard even as moms because I can't sit there and like be in Best posture. I had my little guy behind me pulling on me. So you're already not standing. You know what I mean? Like everyone looks a certain way in a one-piece. I already look like I'm pregnant because there's a one piece is do that to me. Whatever. Anyways, I kind of speak to the fact of like, oh this one suits so good because it's actually forgiving whatnot. And then this troll literally says, why do you look pregnant and and then and then I screenshot it and I put it on stories and I was like, all right, then she shared who it was that I chose. I was like the trolls come out at night and then I made a funny. Like I normally do I was like oh because I maybe had too much poke and Margarita and I was like and then I wrote that and I was his little legs behind you. So I'm zooming in right now. There's no legs right there. I had my son behind he was totally put whatever either way. I don't need to justify why I look the way I do. I think the part that and whenever I do share these things on stories, I don't do to call the Personnel although I want that person to know and anybody else that like, it's just this healthy reminder that we are real people behind these pictures and also, So it's like just be kind like and she literally wrote back she commented back and I think she deleted because I think she's getting a lot of messages about it. But she wrote she's like I didn't mean that in a bad way pregnant women are beautiful like yes, if you're trying to be and you are Danielson. Also I call bullshit on her because you wouldn't write it like that. If you don't like being pregnant's beautiful you'd be like, oh my God, congratulations, like like not verified moment. When are you expecting or I don't know. Why do you look like Look at that exact. It's a mean thing to say, so don't try to act like you're hiding behind saying oh my God. No. No, that's not what I'm saying because you got called out because it felt Anonymous until the person called I will say for that day that I was on vacation. It did make me feel like shit. It really made me finish it and I was like, I'm not enjoying it. It's one person over right now. If you look amazing and people that you know, what our friends I said stuff and that's the thing too though. Like with with Chrissy that I feel bad for her is that she's like deep in the comments, you know, like in a baton and unhealthy way she is in there. She is replying to people and that's why we partially we love her because we see her replies that's all the people out and you follow the thread but she's reading them. She's ingesting them. She's feeling you're right exactly two thousand comments in and she's replying to that you're so right to me. That's why I like almost like she needs like a detox almost from social media because she engages in it in such a deep way that if she's getting negativity. That's true. I think that even if you have loving people around, right it does you even said really what he was going to Bali and just Restart always give celebrities the break that I should because but you do it just like what I just said, I need to eat practice what I preach like there are many people's one common and made you feel like crap all day, even though you were with your husband was probably grabbing on your ass with your kids who are hugging on your legs. You had all that beautiful energy around you and still it just comes really like shit and it was one person true, but she's getting it like from thousands and thousands especially because there's so many people who hate her because she's she's politically active. So there's one whole side that just bashes her just because it's sport. So she receives hate on a effing regular basis in a good normally if you're listening. Oh my God, I will say I mean that to imagine shooting him. I think what's cool about pregnancy is you start to grow, you know small and then you start to get bigger. It's almost like your body would work for small first thing you start you have like a little bump and you really start ball. That's a but I feel like there's like a natural course of you know, you start to accept Okay, my body's changing and that's kind of what's great about being pregnant for nine to ten months. Is that there becomes this acceptance? And appreciation and like when I had my daughter, I like still had my belly and like, you know my little dough ball of a stomach but I don't know I was just in baby Heaven that it I think I'd go back and forth. Did you guys ever do a belly wrap after your baby? Yeah. I had to go over some section. And so I did feel like I did it for both, but I feel like I go through a little bit of both like I'm so that type of person where I'm like, I'll look at some of these pictures on Instagram of these moms that look ridiculously amazing. Okay now I want to look do you think so Mike? Guess what I'm getting at is I feel like women that do kind of go there go there when they're not pregnant meaning we order me a go to that place where they're like, they are concerns like ice on it when you're pregnant. There's no expectation on your body when you're pregnant, you're like this thing is like even when I'm not pregnant like I don't ever think of well that is that like I don't I think it's just because I don't know. I just never say that because in between Millie like you knew that you guys were gonna have another baby. No, I just think before Mel. Like I was just oh, I've never had a six-pack and I kind of any time. I look in the mirror. I kind of was just like I don't know why but this is what my body look. Yeah, you know, I satisfied me too. I feel the same like my girlfriend's that you know do have you know work out and like are used to seeing their body with certain muscles and tones. It affects them way more right? Right, right like that didn't really affect me really because it wasn't, you know, I don't work out. I don't really put a lot of like emphasis on that because I think that might be like how I do a lot of I work with a lot of beauty and skincare so if All of a sudden I had massive breakouts. I think it would affect me differently than like the weight gain. So I think you're right. I think if you put I just think sometimes you're the same woman you are before you have the baby as after and it and if you aren't it takes a lot to get there it does. You know, I think that when you look at yourself, Yeah, if you feel like you look like a different person. Yeah after you're done it maybe I think yeah, I think there's a lot of identity. I think it's impossible to imagine that women don't connect to their physical appearance in a deeper way that like men can't understand. It's from the moment. You're born. There's such a it's such a coward of you know, it's just such a part of you either way, right? Like either way. It's how you present yourself to the world whether you choose to embrace one style a different style your heavier your thinner your, you know grunge your Whatever it is, like it's a way that you're expressing yourself. And when you feel like your appearance doesn't Express who you are on the inside. I think it's natural absolutely really to struggle with that and I feel like that if I don't feel like I'm my best I do I feel it affects my what if your best to what I'm getting at is something that Christie also said is like, you know, I guess I could lose those extra 10 pounds, but like what they're going to do for me, right? But I love food so much. So that's kind of how I feel like I will always choose to go out to eat dinner instead of working out and like that's just like that is how I feel my best or like the clothes that I wear. I choose to you know, like where your body is, right? Yeah, totally something that I feel like comfortable in versus something I can strive for. I think that's because that's you have a healthy. You're lucky to have a healthy mind you of yourself where I think that most many many women. It's such a struggle for them because they don't naturally have that view. I think if most women felt the way you did this wooden this lady a big station. I want a big conversation because I think Squirrels don't feel that way right wrist was aren't like well, I'm good with yeah, I think I did against so true. Absolutely. I think a lot of it comes back to like my upbringing like I think about being a tomboy and how my mom never said those things out loud or talked about it and like if she got you know when she got ready for church, she do her makeup and wear cute dresses, but I mean there was never like that looking in the mirror and kind of like, I don't know. So now as a mom and I talked about Mellie and I've talked about this before my Instagram people used to go up to her and say how juicy she is and how yeah, you know, but there were like things as would skew kind of out she's big for her age and she and I'm like actually knows. Yeah, but don't go too. So what a weird thing to say it is but no it comes up you freak. Yeah, but no my highlights and her side of the family is definitely a little bit more round. And so she tells me with my daughter Mila. She'll be like OK Mimi, you know what she's going to be five now. So let's just make sure we check like let make sure she's eating really healthy and I'm like Mom she's five like she is she still has her baby her baby winter, but again, You know, but yeah, it's something that's bread. I think early on and I think we should all be going well Randy because serious I want that beautiful laid-back view. But anyways, I love Chrissy Teigen. Yes, I think it's awesome. And I hope more people respect her decision to just go with the flow and a good listening that is either thinking about pregnancy or is pregnant from their first. I think that's the biggest thing is like it's that it's that mindset and knowing ahead of time that like you were going to look for five months. Pregnant after you have this baby course. Yeah, your organs are still in Crazy places. You have to ask you 10 minutes to create this person is going to take your tongue towns plus to go back to where you are. And even then you're going to maybe not look the same and that's okay because I guarantee most women that I know they do go through periods of time where they're not happy with themselves. And yeah, you know externally as they feel internally but there is that new appreciation that's found because it's so much more worth it to have this person that you know have versus not so before we move on Next one I just want to say is you were talking about your organs being in a crazy place. That is one thing I mentioned just a second ago about the belly rabbit. Any of you are pregnant or about to deliver or just had a baby. I really really recommend the belly rap. I remember a friend of mine explain it to me in a way that like you, you know the space that your baby took up right that baby's gone now, but you organs and I never knew this it's really creepy even say out loud organs and like your pelvic floor are not like secured in any way. They're just like they're they are where they are because they are being held by all the other organs. So they're just neatly In their place, but when your stomach is stretched out they can fall forward and your stomach muscles aren't strong enough to push them back. So your body sort of gets arrested in this new position with your organs falling forward. So if you can wear a belly wrap that sort of gets them back where they're supposed to be without your stomach muscles being responsible for that strength. It will allow your muscles to take the time they need but your body can get back a little bit faster and sometimes it also to me it felt really good to have a summer so poor you have been so poor loosey-goosey. Yeah, you're like me and a lot of times. If you have a C-section the hospital will absolutely give you their version of one that's good just for the first couple of days, but even if you don't you can even ask them to give you one and they'll do it's like a little belly. Yeah, it's just like I have one of the Amazon it's called belly band. It's okay. Let's move on to someone who would need a belly band for sure. It had four kids Kim Kardashian. Just they I was watching the show its back and they were talking about again in case you're listening for the first time. I don't watch any of that car. The instead he doesn't watch she's too cool to watch them. But yes, I go grocery shopping and then I'm stuck in line looking at the top exactly so I do watch them proudly. And yeah, they're the Kim and Kanye are having a fourth baby with a surrogate. Yes, and it feels like what if they're using the same Surah because I do remember that they paid the last surrogate I don't think the jury I got rich it's a different one and though they're doing a different because the the last one I think think I'm pretty sure for safety reasons to they're probably doing because it's really close together that I mean the babies. Oh, you're ready up here. And I think I heard them say it so forth. I mean a second surrogate why it's like I just talked to him yesterday. Yeah, we're on the phone and I was like Hey filming on the Deeds. I feel like there's so many I feel like for is like such a normal number back to my far. It's I know but I always thought we would have so I'm pregnant with our second. I always thought we'd have two or four, but for was kind of like if we lived in Texas and we had this big Ranch and I was like five years younger. But now I'm thinking mr. Ace gotta get snipped, but that's not why you came walking in today saying that like like a freakin Full Tilt and I'm like two weeks ago. You were like, yeah, we're getting him smash how its treated. Like honestly, I feel like 3:00 and 4:00 or definitely the new to out here everywhere. I can't do a middle child middle children under sorry. It is about there's no one has a buddy. Everyone needs to have a buddy there buddy disagree. I got someone's gonna get left out then or China. Increase Independence. I'm a middle child. I'm close with everyone of my I vote special relationship with my brother a really special relationship with my sister. I have a ton of friends. I feel really independent. Like it's great the age difference between everyone my sister and I are 18 months apart. My brother's five years younger see and it like it's sister and I are 17 months apart in the my brother and I are ten years. Oh, are you the most no, I'm the oldest but you feel like your sister has a complex. Okay, every male child. I've met except orally. Wow. I know what my to the my name is then comes down to Buddies the buddy system like what? Or travel I think that's more so it travels a oh my God. I meant like what some should you pull out in time or not? Like when people talk about it? I think. Oh, yeah, you know when I was younger big yeah, of course makes sense. And then you grow up and you realize how much money and all this stuff. It takes to like raise kids in LA and then you're like, okay, let's be realistic. He's also the emotional like capacity like I want somebody to want to get much attention date night with your kids. Are you doing it with three? Yeah, you know, yeah, I agree that these are all questions you but I want you to have three because I Sighs I don't obsess a baby's I cannot wait to smell this baby in my belly. But so in fact The New Normal is that the new normal like 3 vs. 2 4 vs. Smiley reason for getting overwhelmed with three is new car not about yeah a new continent a minivan. It's not about like attention and love and all that because I feel like sometimes we think our kids need a lot more from us than you do my thing, but they're independent beings living their own life. Like they don't need us all up in their shit all the time. And so to me, I'm like You know, I just I don't know how the thinking on how up in my baby. Yeah, let me hear up in her shit and you are going to be up in little or amazing shit in a gnarly way. But like I just me personally I am not that kind of mom and so I don't worry about that. I worry about logistics. I still want to be happy. I still want to be saying I still want to work. I still want to feel inspired by my work and enjoy my relationship. Enjoy my time at home. It's selfish. I want to continue to not how can I tell you that's not selfish? I think that's a great point that you know, yeah. I don't think Help me. I don't say selfish in a bad way. Like I mean, like you're my reason like you're part of their yeah, I feel unfinished and I want to add another member to the family, but I don't want to sacrifice anything. Yeah, I want to continue to live and be happy and they're like a light-hearted that uses up a great question about someone like Kim Kardashian who has the ability unlimited funds and resources. Like do you look at that and say, of course you'd have a fourth because you know, you can still live your life and get your hair and makeup done every day for five hours. Hours, I know I'm judging but like, you know a hundred percent and but they can still be all right beside you because you have a nanny is that you love and adore that your kids can travel with you like where are the kids when they're taping? Right? Like I mean, I know these are questions that people probably like who I'm sure that I'm sure there's full-time nannies. Although anyone who's ever had full-time help knows that that the word nanny is we need to come up with a new word. It's such a special bond a special relationship. It's like an ant it's not Nanny makes kissing sound. I hate saying that word when we had Anna I mean I Cried when we when we moved to a new house and she couldn't get to us and we had to put the kids in daycare. I was hysterical. I loved her so much kids love her. So I think yeah, they have these other people that helped raise their children that help allow them to do their work and have kids they're extra relationships their bonus relationships. I don't think that the kids are totally sacrificing anything as far as like quality time. But yeah someone like Kim anyone who's really wealthy has the ability to act on it. Say I want four kids. I don't have four kids because none of the big scary Three things are an issue. We're never going to not be able to have a safe house. We're never going to not have the food. We're never going to not give them the education. They want right anything that could freak you out term. I'm not an issue, right? It's a non-issue. So yeah for her, why wouldn't you do for now? She should do fucking 6. Yeah go for it. You know, it's like reading half crazy with Kanye. So I wish I had four kids see don't snip snap once you snip you can't done snap you can you can you can show what was the big thing that ultimately We made you say I just know we will get pregnant again if he doesn't. Yeah, like we and we why did you all of a sudden go from maybe four to nothing? Because the baby's coming in July like I felt so good the day after I had my last baby that like six weeks. We definitely were ready to like make love again. Yeah, but also just thinking about trips that were planning and our capacity. I mean, even the fact that we don't know the gender I keep thinking. Oh my gosh if this is a girl, yeah because that'll be like Millie's true besties, but also, Oh my God, like it. Could I love another little girl just as Mills like Mills is like our girl you will so now I'm like, are you sure it's not a boy because then I would go to experience. So we just I think we've just been we both in grabbing a boy, but I think we just are kind of like, I don't know I think have you feel like to use our number then see. Okay choose your number to your number. That's fine too is good. We'll see, you know, it was just such a combusting and literally like he's getting a vasectomy. Like hold on I think because if he doesn't we will have for you know, and I don't know if that's wise for us to something lighter. Yes, Sarah Silverman got her makeup done for the Emmys, right? She was there for I think her special which was on Hulu and you know, when you go to these award shows, you usually borrow a dress some people buy a dress most people borrow a dress from a showroom. They borrowed jewelry, but they have to get their hair and makeup done by a hair and a few artists, you know, usually it's going to be anywhere between 1500 to $10,000 depending on how gnarly your hair makeup artist has Sarah Silverman tweeted afterwards that she received a bill from Hulu to they wanted to be reimbursed for her hair and makeup. So they build her $1,500 for her hair and makeup. So it's like did they set up hair and makeup and she poppin? I don't know. I don't know how I don't know what the logistics they must have paid for it further paid $1500 in your Hulu or maybe like Sarah Silverman hired the makeup artist and then gave a makeup artist like her contact at Hulu. Voice and be like, oh just invoice bill at yada yada and they invoice and then Hulu was like, okay, we'll pay it but like BTW, I was crazy the fact that she put them on blast there has to be some bad blood like sometimes just happen because if she sent the email was like, hey, I got this must be a mistake or something and they didn't remedy it. I will say what is going on even though so she could have just used the opportunity to create some content, right? She could have just received a one email and then be like, oh this is funny as shit, and then just created some company coming. You know, I'm the person who used to do like her. And makeup all the time as a service. I think it's also brings to light that like this isn't only just a thing that happens with celebrities, you know, as far as how much money like 1500 dollars not a joke for everything every event. She's going to spending that much money, especially if it's coming straight out of her pocket, but like, you know, I have moms and Manhattan Beach, I that pay a good dollar to get their hair and makeup done for recitals and for this and for that so it's crazy. It's like that money is being spent hmm, but obviously with her being her position I would think that that would be covered by them as well. But what do you mean? I just think it's funny because it highlights it look forces us to look at the fact that like for Sarah Silverman to be able to show up at the Emmys right looking the way you would expect her it cost $1,500. So like for all of us that look at these photos and then look in the US Weekly and see all the like best dress and the makeup trends and the this and the that and feel insecure about doing her own makeup in the morning like $1500 later on the low and like I was I'd love to look normal. Yes, right. So it's like a good reminder and I think they don't normally no one really talks about that because in a weird way of kind of embarrassing like yeah, I took me five hours and five grand to look like this. I mean people want to act like they look like it normally so I like that she did it. If only for the fact that aren't just doing it for free. Well, you see we are going to talk about me. I know you don't want any of this stuff. Do you watch The Real Housewives of reality show? Okay, Blondie that's married to the 80 year old on. Oh Yes, she I mean she traveled to Hong Kong with a fool. Yeah and our director right? I'm like crazy things. I was like we're having a good time and by the pool, you know, what her philosophy is almost like you want to embrace it. It's kind of like why not like we have more knowledge. I have the resources like yeah, I will spend $50,000 a pop to make this happen like damn girl. Yeah, and I don't know. I mean would you guys do that if you had this when I was at E8 if we had an event to go to you. You they would give you like this is what the budget is for your wardrobe. This is what the budget is for your hair and makeup. Let us know the names will coordinate and it was definitely all covered. But and I think that it would be normally for anything whether you're doing your best for Anna. You know, when when I did press for the fabulous Kristen and I each had our own hair and makeup and that was obviously covered because we were the same price for the show if you're kind of on your own you're on your own but I think that usually it's always covered when I worked at my last Studio same thing. I would tell them what artist I want they would Around the budget or they'd negotiate with the artist if I hired so myself I would send in my reimbursements if I work with a brand we talk about it beforehand. Are they paying for her makeup or am I paying getting reimbursed? Yeah, and is there a budget attached to that right? So do you think she should be paying the bill or do we think pollution? What's also cool is he she has enough money. So she also could have just paid it and been like whatever. I feel like Sarah Silverman's got nothing. That would be like, I'm good. I can put on some mascara you have sick. Yeah. Yeah, but you gotta think for me doing this article or this this news blip comes. Down to is it okay to blast a company that you work for like like I just want to know I mean, did you send an email or like think you can Sarah Silverman can because she's a comedian. You know what you're getting. You don't even like oh my God, I think I didn't hesitate anyone looking. I think I could if I worked for, you know such but you could potentially damage your relationship with another brand but like by doing that where I feel like, you know, they're wild cars they're Canadian. They're pretty nuts Sarah Silverman. So, you know, there's snarky they talk shit about everybody like that's like that's like that's like being told like that you're having you're going to a host a dinner and then all of a sudden it's like you have a big here's the other like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, thanks for coming. Oh, okay. Just kidding. If I knew that I would have eaten McDonald's before it came right then. Well, anyways, I think I think it's interesting how much we all spend I mean and also I work in Beauty, right? So I feel like I would buy all of that stuff on my own. You know and or I wouldn't buy all that stuff on my own if I actually had it now because it's just so much more but speaking of that. Yeah, that's perfect. I think we want to talk a little bit about beauty in general and like I had a question for you. You're like, let's just put it on the freaking pot. Yeah. So I feel like now that I'm getting older. I'm the cookie person who's buying all the products. Yeah. I have all the pillars the serums the creams the lotions next the toners you name it. I got it and I have no idea how I should be applying it if I'm even doing it in the right order because I know Like a big thing is the order. So yeah, there's a method to the madness dance, please. Yeah so Stones there is a method to the madness and I think especially like you're saying the older we get it's more important that we pay attention to because we are spending more like Fifty to a hundred upwards the product and the reality is if you are going to be layering a certain product over another it may not be getting its full, you know, efficacy which we want to make sure it is so the general rule is you want to go thinnest to thickest. Okay, so you don't want to put your serum on after your moisturizer because the moisturizers creating a barrier to your skin. So the serum is not going to penetrate, you know further in deep into your skin. So the way you want to think about it is you're always going to be using a cleanser and then a toner and toners interesting because toner especially as we get older I think is really important to oh my gosh, the last two Expeditions I saw they were like, whatever you do you've the tone and I think why and they were even like use the witch hazel and no alcohol right? There were like toner yummy like you can use My twenties I used witch hazel all the time. Now. What are you doing? So I'm Googling. There's a few that are fantastic. But here's a reason why you want to use toner. So in the beginning like 15 20 years ago, I think when we were growing up, they had a lot of alcohol in them. So they would strip your natural skin of oils and so we didn't want to use them but now they're actually helping your skin deliver the next upper products better do it. Does that make sense? So like it's something that it's a next step after cleanser that you use to do a couple of things. It's helping bring your pH back in your skin like balancing it out. So it's fantastic for that. And then it's also delivering a lot of other things like antioxidants things that your skin really needs to just help penetrate the other stuff better too. So, is there something we should look for in our toner? Well, I for instance I love obviously you want to look for no alcohol. Okay, so I'll call free alcohol free. I love a few like there's some great drugstore all options to like there's this one by Pixi beauty that I'm loving right now because it's a vitamin C toner. So you're kind of getting to on one because vitamin C is also really important ingredient lightning right? It's brightening. It's an antioxidant. It helps fight free radicals which are in UVA UVB rays. So it's all that stuff but then it's a toner so you're actually putting it on and another thing. I always tell people is so toner can also be something that helps get rid of any residual makeup that was left on from your cleanser that didn't get off their talk about like you can literally get a cotton swab or something swab your face or not. Yeah. I've heard a little bit of both where you don't want to use toner to get rid of any other makeup because really your cleanser should be doing yes. I don't know who I don't have that like 15 minutes to really like. No, I also Eight makeup wipes out. Yeah, we're talking about that right now really bad. Fine. Yeah, it also like yeah get your drugstore cleanser on you know, if you're good with it like and then spend the money on like the toner so then so you're going to go cleanser? Okay toner a serum. Okay. So you want your serum right? I'm writing this down and if you want I skip this product, but you can do an Essence. That's a whole nother. We'll go into that later because lessons like my rose water spray know your essence an Essence is a little different than a toner because in essence is basically again, it's really getting faster. I know it's That the essence is something that you Pat onto your skin. Okay, and it's going to really help prepare your skin for the rest of the products that are going on. I know it sounds sooner does OK and there are requests. He's the way you want to do. It is toner helps pH balance and it just gets caught in order. Okay, then the other one is almost like the essence is like a primer for the rest of the products. Got it. Okay, so, you know primer for skincare. Yeah, that's how I liked it. But that's how I like to think about it. Okay, and then so then you want to do your serums and so that's why I was saying you can if you have like an Acid serum. That's when you want to put that on. So your Serum is your first almost your first line of defense when your skin is ready. We're talking at evening, right? No, this is morning. Oh, yeah, good morning. So basically only do that kind of stuff. Let me put it out. Basically, it's cleanser toner serum. Then this is where it was about the essence. Well, I mean I sent this is no action is optional and then you're going to do like a moisturizer and your SPF and modify or two in one then you can do that for me as I get older. There's no no I do. SPF separately you just want to do it because you wanted to enlist Riser your go-to. So I have a few because I have really dry skin. So my current one that I love is the Peter Thomas Roth It's called a Hydra it's hydrogel or something like that. But then Neutrogena has one two, that's really good. That's their hydraboost line. I love doing though, you know high-end and low-end run honest Beauty has some amazing ones that are coming out too. So those are the ones I really like and then I love when they're to and ones, you know, like I like when something already has vitamin C and it also, you know that stuff but for a moisturizer and SPF I my SPF I always you always want to stick with something that SPF 30 minimum SPF 30 and always use it all over your face and your neck and then my best friend is a dermatologist always told me she doesn't care use SPF use your SPF, even though it's a little thicker than your moisturizer use it before because it's the first thing that's penetrating into your skin. That's a thick. Yep, and some people for moisturizer, you know, some people kind of what is your go-to SPF. So there's two that I really like I love the supergroup Unseen side street and good. It's transparent especially for women of color. You are not going to get a gray overcast. You have to bury Brown residue that because if you use the white you look purple. Yeah, and then I love the Kula SPF 30 makeup setting spray. So what it is is I keep it in my like when I go on vacation or it's summertime. I keep that in my purse and that is the best way to reapply your sunscreen. So it's a spray with SPF so you don't have to worry if you're wearing makeup or your onset or you're doing whatever you're at an outdoor wedding and you're like shit, how do I put on my sunscreen? You just spray it on and that's really Yeah, so those are gokula Kula Co l a-- i GQ B. I did QVC training with the founder of oh my God, I did are genius. I love them. It's smart. It's really smart. So those are that's basically the general rule, you know, just really think about it then it's typically yeah, whatever can penetrate first is going to call that's right. And then at night the only thing you want to think about that you want to enter change a little bit or add is that's when you can use like your retinol because retinol you do not accept me because I got next so when you're pregnant no remedies and no salicylic acid is what else besides brandy brandy the hooch. My husband's always like to realize every time you or go out in public pregnant. All the guys are like, yep. She puts out. I'm like, you're such a jerk. They don't think that he's like, yep every guy thinks that every guy's just looking at you like yeah. She took it like you're such a bastard. Looking at that pony and imagine. I'm like, I love it. I feel violated. No one's even looking at you. Yeah, they're staring. I love it. Like I do feel very sexy, but I'm pregnant though. It's like me because your midsection supposed to be big they were just trying to like this is what I've got curves. All right. So let's go through a quick. I'd like to talk about some of our finds things were questioning on Yeah, couple products. These are things that we have no affiliation to we just want to share the goodness. Yeah, I'm gonna To I'm going to go with this thing called Avon Skin So Soft. Oh my gosh. I'm waiting memories. Yes, so I knew nothing. I know nothing about Avon except for the fact that apparently this Skin So Soft Stuff is the ultimate combatant to bug bite. Yes mosquito repellent and I did not know this and I get attacked. It's right around attacked and it's right around this time of year and we're out by the pool all the time and sometimes the Mesquite will like I don't ever remember having I was like in this I grew up out here in this area. But I swear I get a tattoo point that I've got like 15 or 20 all over my legs and they become welts and then they like almost Scar and I've got to wear body makeup. It's crazy. So I put something on Instagram last year at I got like five or six people that were like, oh my God, you need Avon Skin So Soft so I bought it. I had to buy it online. I just thought I could get it at a market not realize he was able. Yeah, and I bought it and I view I use it all the time with this like a body oil so it is strong and smell. So if you're sensitive to smell another people recommended is the Bliss like orange orange scented body lotion because I guess like insects really hate anything like citrus smelling which is like citronella candles or thing. So and I guess if not, if you don't like it if this if the smell is too strong, then you can do like that the Bliss orange scented body lotion, but something with that in it, but if you're like me and you get it, it's fantastic. So well, so someone also told me when I went to Africa so freaking out I brought that it works. So it's almost like it. I don't like the barrier. Only that mosquitoes won't even be able to get you seriously. But oh, I'm so glad you found the face too early buddy. I probably wouldn't put it on my yeah just come easily, but you really hated all over it's like a body oil like on it. You have to pour it out very gently. Yes. It sounds good. Yeah, it's really it's it's really good though. Oh, okay cool. So not my thing that I'm crushing on right now. Actually Millie's crushing on it is I got her her own kitchen knives. So Millie is 21 months old and ever since she was Was Tiny like I think even at 11 months, we got hurt our literature Scioscia. Just choose, you know, teetering tottering as a toddler. My husband made her this awesome little like stool so she can stand up at the counter and practice transfer work, which is like taking one blueberry to another Bowl. We do a lot of cool Montessori activities, and then she also just helps me in the kitchen. So I decided that she was ready to start learning how to chop. And so the first thing we did was we got those little crinkle cutter Chopper. Seen that before but it's just like a wiggly kitchen gadget that you can make like curvy cucumbers or something. The only thing about that is a lot of the ones I saw are the only ones I saw or stainless steel. So that's still kind of a hazard for a baby again. She just turned 21 months. So I got these plastic kitchen knives. They're safe for kids. Obviously. I'm always monitoring her but they're colorful and she has her own little drawer for them. You always see the yeah, and so she can practice with Mom and again like a lot of Times I'll even hold her hand or left hand so she can hold the cucumber. And here's the thing like it's not like she's my sous chef in the kitchen yet. But if we're waiting for water to boil, like I show her that she can totally help me and then once she's done I take the knives away and then we practice, you know, I do painting it and I love doing it. They're really easy. They're 10 bucks online is teaching her sad about you know, and there they work. I mean their knives that I could still use to cut with but I'm gonna get those two mic so I know I need them. Setting spray it in my car to its Summit. All right post to be us spending money right now. Okay. So, um, you're mine, which I just forgot about what it was. Oh get it together together lady. Is it it wasn't it? Yeah, it was a beauty one. And then I had an hour looking kinda side note Brandy. Are you going to be the kind of mom that like says that to my love? My little one that we got to your low that Millie's like thirty nine months. Like are you going no? No, I hate to no. I'm not okay. I literally suck at math. I would never be that much because I can't add she's 56 months. That doesn't do that until they're too though until you again until there too. Okay? Okay. Yeah, so really quick. I love that bed for months were feeling proud that is linked to high school. I'm going to share with you guys. That is actually really funny. I'm going to share with you guys a find off Amazon that I think is perfect for summer and it's a straw bag. That is so cute. I took it all with me in Hawaii is it? Round one. Yeah, I guess I won and I feel so on Trend but it's like such an old friend but I just got my God that ain't no but it's so cute and it's under 20 bucks. It's like 25 bucks. It's the cutest one and I was able to keep like wipes in there and everything for the kids my sunglasses and great part about it is you not taking like a nice designer bag on vacation or we drop the summer when you're on the pool and all that stuff. So we're just like a bulky beach bag. Yes, exactly because the thing is to the bigger. The bag is the more I'm going to stuff in their course and I was able to put so much in there the bag the bigger the hoarder, right? Seriously, so that was that was not my original fine, but I can't I can't I'm like having pregnancy but you stay tuned for the next episode. 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Before we get started with today's episode. I just want to say that I really enjoyed recording these podcasts. And if you enjoy listening to them, we both have anchored a Thang. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. First of all, it's free second of all their creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer and anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many more the cool thing is you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It it's everything you need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started bipolar disorder. Let's talk about it. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world indeed. It's the only thing that ever has Margaret Mead. Hi. My name is Ethan and I suffer from bipolar disorder addiction anger issues body dysmorphia and morbid obesity. In fact at my heaviest. I was north of 650 pounds growing up. I never felt comfortable asking for help or being vulnerable. My goal is to create a space where you can feel safe enough to be vulnerable and shake the Negative stigmas that are attached to mental health. Let's be vulnerable and give others the strength to do the same. Let's talk about it. So one of the things that I want to do with this podcast is normalized things that people don't normally talk about things that are kind of taboo or things were just not supposed to talk about in today's society. One of those things that are personal and one of those things that I deal with is bipolar disorder now a couple disclaimers to start out with one. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a psychologist. I am not here to try and help you diagnose yourself. I'm not here to diagnose you. If you feel like any of these things that I talked about resonate with you, please please please reach out and seek professional help. I am not Doctor, I cannot over emphasize that enough. The other thing I want to mention is that as of right now me recording this episode. I have not been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I have simply done a lot of research and self-diagnosis. Hope to very soon be professionally diagnosed. So I'm going to run a series about bipolar disorder where I basically read some articles talk about my experience compare my life to what these articles are mentioning and and hopes that it helps. Has someone whether it helps someone feel normal gives them a little better understanding of what's going on in their mind or help someone understand one of their loved ones or their friends a little better. So let's talk about bipolar disorder. The article I'm reading from today is for from National Institute of Mental Health. The link will be in the show notes for the article the exact article I'm reading from let's get started bipolar disorder the overview bipolar disorder also known as manic-depressive illness is a brain disorder that causes us. Usual shifts in mood energy activity levels and the ability to carry out day-to-day tasks. There are four basic types of bipolar disorder all of them involve clear changes in mood energy and activity levels these moods rain from periods of extremely up elated and energized Behavior known as manic episodes to very sad down or hopeless periods known as depressive episodes less severe manic periods are known as hypomanic episodes. Polar one disorder defined by manic episodes that last at least seven days or by manic symptoms that are so severe that the person needs immediate hospital care usually depressive episodes occur as well. Typically lasting at least two weeks episodes of depression with mixed features having depression and manic symptoms at the same time are also possible bipolar two disorder defined by a pattern of depressive episodes and a hypomanic episodes, but not to the full-blown manic. Episodes described above cyclothymic disorder also called cyclothymia defined by numerous periods of hypomanic symptoms as well as numerous periods of depressive symptoms lasting for at least two years or one year in Children and adolescents. However, the symptoms do not meet the diagnostic requirements for hypomanic episodes and depressive episodes other specified and unspecified bipolar related disorder defined by bipolar disorder symptoms. That do not match the three categories listed above signs and symptoms people with bipolar disorder experience periods of unusually intense emotion changes in sleep patterns and activity levels and unusual behaviors. These distinct periods are called mood episodes signs and symptoms people with bipolar disorder experience periods of unusually intense emotion changes in sleep patterns and activity levels and unusual behaviors. These distinct periods are called mood. it's Odes mood episodes are drastically different from the moods and behaviors that are typical for the person extreme changes in energy activity and sleep go along with mood episodes people having manic episodes may feel very up high or related have a lot of energy have increased activity levels feel jumpy or wired have trouble sleeping become more active than usual talk really fast about a lot of different things be agitated irritable or touchy feel like their thoughts are going very fast think they can do a lot of things at once or do risky things like spend a lot of money or have Reckless sex people having a depressive episode may feel very sad down empty or hopeless have very little energy have decreased activity levels have trouble sleeping. They may sleep too little or too much feel like they can't enjoy anything feel worried and empty have trouble concentrating forget things a lot. Too much or too little feel tired or slowed down or think about death or suicide. Sometimes a mood episode includes symptoms of both Manic and depressive symptoms. This is called an episode with mixed features people experiencing an episode of mixed features may feel very sad empty or hopeless while at the same time feeling very energized bipolar disorder can be present even when mood swings are less extreme. For example, some people with bipolar disorder experience. And hypomania a less severe form of mania during a hypomania episode. The individual may feel very good be highly productive and function. Well, the person may not feel that anything is wrong but family and friends May recognize the mood swings and or changes in activity level as possible bipolar disorder without proper treatment people with hypomania, May develop severe Mania or depression. Hmm. Okay. So for those of you that remember when I was building, The sound booth this is what I was talking about hypomania. I feel like I had a minor manic episode which allowed me to work 12 hours straight to build this sound booth. Interesting. Also one of the things that I talked about is if I did not intervene with what I thought was causing the manic episode, which is my diet. The fear was that it was going to develop into a depression because usually when I go up or Manic the only place I go after that is down diagnosis. Proper diagnosis and treatment help people with bipolar disorder lead healthy and productive lives talking with a doctor or other licensed mental health professional is the first step for anyone who thinks he or she may have bipolar disorder the doctor can complete a physical exam to rule out other conditions. If the problems are not caused by other illnesses the doctor May conduct a mental health evaluation or provide a referral to a trained mental health professional such as a psychiatrist who's experienced in diagnosing. Treating bipolar disorder who this is interesting. This includes a note for healthcare providers people with bipolar disorder are more likely to experience help when they are depressed than when experiencing Mania or hypomania. Therefore a careful medical history is needed to ensure that the bipolar disorder is not mistakenly diagnosed as major depression unlike people with bipolar disorder people who have depression only also called unipolar depression. Do not experience Mania they may however experience some Manic symptoms at the same time which is also known as major depressive disorder with mixed features bipolar disorder and other illnesses some bipolar disorder symptoms are similar to other illnesses, which can make it hard for a doctor to make a diagnosis. In addition many people have bipolar disorder along with other illnesses such as anxiety disorder substance abuse or eating disorder people with bipolar disorder are also at high risk for thyroid disease migraine headaches heart disease diabetes obesity and Their physical illnesses psychosis, sometimes a person with severe episodes of mania or depression also has psychosis symptoms such as hallucinations or delusions The Psychotic symptoms tend to match the person's extreme mood. For example, someone having psychotic symptoms during a manic episode May believe she is famous has a lot of money or has special powers someone having psychotic symptoms during a depressive episode May believe that he is ruined and penniless or that he has committed a crime as a result people with bipolar disorder who also have psychotic symptoms are sometimes misdiagnosed with schizophrenia anxiety and ADHD anxiety disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder ADHD are often diagnosed among people with bipolar disorder substance abuse people with bipolar disorder may also misuse alcohol or drugs have relationship problems or perform poorly in school or at work family friends and people experiencing. Tim's may not recognize these problems as signs of a major mental illness such as bipolar disorder risk factors scientists are studying the possible causes of bipolar disorder most agree that there is not one single cause instead. It's likely that many factors contribute to the illness or increased risk brain structure and functioning some studies show that the brains of people with bipolar disorder may differ from the brains of healthy people or people with other mental disorders learning more about these differences along with new information from genetic studies help scientists better understand bipolar disorder and predict which types of treatments will work. Most effectively genetics some research suggests that people with certain genes are more likely to develop bipolar disorder than others but genes are not the only risk factor for bipolar disorder studies of identical twins have shown that even if one twin developed stuff bipolar disorder, the other twin does not always develop the disorder despite the fact that the identical twin shares all of the same genes. Family history bipolar disorder tends to run in families children with parents or siblings who have bipolar disorder are much more likely to develop the illness compared with children who do not have family history of the disorder. However, it is important to note that most people with family history of bipolar disorder will not develop the illness treatments and therapies treatment helps many people even those with the most severe form of bipolar disorder gain better control. Of their mood swings and other bipolar symptoms and effective treatment plan usually includes a combination of medication and Psychotherapy also known as talk therapy bipolar disorder is a lifelong illness episodes of mania and depression. Typically typically come back over time between episodes many people with bipolar disorder are free of mood changes. But some people may have lingering symptoms long-term continuous treatment helps to control these symptoms medications different types of medications can help control the symptoms. Eames of bipolar disorder an individual may need to try several different medications before finding ones that work best medications generally used to treat bipolar disorder include mood stabilizers atypical antipsychotics and antidepressants. Anyone taking medication should talk with a doctor or pharmacist to understand the risk in the benefits of the medication report any concerns about side effects to a doctor right away. The doctor may need to change the dose or try a different medication avoid stopping a medication without talking to a doctor first suddenly stopping. Medication may lead to a rebound or worsening of bipolar disorder symptoms other uncomfortable or potential dangerous withdrawal effects are also possible report serious side effects to the US Food and Drug Administration at the FDA Psychotherapy when done in combination with medication Psychotherapy also called Talk therapy can be an effective treatment for bipolar disorder. It can provide support education and guidance to people with bipolar disorder and their families some psycho therapy treatments. Used to treat bipolar disorder include cognitive behavioral therapy CBT family focused therapy interpersonal and social Rhythm therapy and psychoeducation other treatment options electroconvulsive therapy ECT. ECT can provide relief for people with severe bipolar disorder who have not been able to recover with other treatments. Sometimes ECT is used for bipolar symptoms when other medical conditions including pregnancy make taking medication to Risky ECT may cause some short term side effects including confusion disorientation and memory loss people with bipolar disorder should discuss possible benefits and risks of ECT with a qualified health professional. Not much research has been conducted on herbal or natural supplements and how they may affect bipolar disorder. It's important for a doctor to know about all prescription drugs over-the-counter medication and supplements. A client is taking certain medications and supplements taken together may cause unwanted or dangerous. This affects keeping a life chart even with proper treatment mood changes can occur treatment is more effective when a client and doctor can were close closely together and talk openly about concerns and choices keeping a life chart the records daily mood symptoms treatments sleep patterns and life events can help clients and doctors track and treat bipolar disorder. Most effectively. I find it interesting that nowhere in this article doesn't talk about diet. Nowhere in this article. Does it talk about controlling bipolar disorder? Does it talk about controlling mood swings based on your diet? I have found that the further away I get from sugar and a heavily processed foods the more control. I have over my mood swings. The sad thing is we have all these medications out there which you have to it's basically a guessing game at first the doctor guesses goes. Okay. I think this is what's going to work for you and then you discover it doesn't work for you and you have to play that game all over again until you find something that kind of works for you. And even then all of those medications have some severe and and gnarly side effects. And nowhere in this article. Nowhere in this article. Does it talk about controlling your diet and how diet can directly affect bipolar disorder and at this point the hypothesis that I'm running with? Like I said is the further away I get from sugar the better off I am. That's why I'm doing this. It's why I'm doing this whole thing. So I'm doing Instagram because I genuinely believe at this point in my journey that sugar. Has a direct effect on a direct correlation with my mood swings. So I'm going to keep talking about it. Like I'm going to keep talking about it. I'm constantly going to talk about it until people start to hear it and people start to believe it as of right now. I have not been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. But like I said, I very very soon. Hope to be simply because that validates everything I'm doing. I feel like for me I can't you know, I still have to use the disclaimer that I'm undiagnosed bipolar disorder which kind of takes away in my opinion from all the discoveries that I've made but once I can be diagnosed as bipolar disorder that I can go Okay, cool. So May 27th of 2020 will be exactly one year since I have had a depressive state. As I'm recording this it's been six months since I've had a depressive State. I took in I took in an excessive amount of sugar more than I than I normally would take in and I had a hypomanic state. I was in a hypomanic state and then to avoid going dark. I stopped taking in Sugar. I stopped eating off playing and I haven't gone dark. I haven't gone to press to so there is the hypothesis that I'm running with right now is that there is a direct correlation between My intake of sugar and my mood swings yet for some reason in this article. Nowhere. Nowhere in treatment. Does it talk about diet? So that's what I'm gonna try. I'm going to try and change that I'm going to try and bring that to light. That's my goal. That is my goal with this podcast. That is my goal with Instagram. That is my goal whenever I talk about bipolar disorder. Again disclaimer. I'm not a doctor. I'm not here to diagnose. These episodes are not here to diagnose you. If something resonates with you and you you feel like you may have bipolar disorder. Please reach out to a medical professional and ask for help because I have said it before and I'll say it again. I am not a medical professional. I'm just a guy that's been studying himself and experimenting on himself and trying different things for 10 years all in this one the way I end all of them. You already know how it goes. You are beautiful you are worth it. It and as long as you are willing to put the work in hope we'll always be there. Until the next one.

I’ve decided to do a series on bipolar disorder to try and help those without it understand it a little better. Just a quick disclaimer. Things I am not: A doctor A dietitian An expert A specialist Things that I am: Someone who has lost over 300lbs over the last nine years Someone who proudly labels himself as a gym rat Someone who is willing to be completely transparent in hopes of helping others realize they are not alone in the fight. Someone who is hoping to help others using the tools I have developed from my own experiences. I am so incredible grateful for you giving me time out of your day, if anything I have said touches you or brings up thoughts or topics you'd like to discuss or you'd like to be a guest on our podcast, the best place to reach me would be on Instagram @Depressed2Determined. I'm sure they would all appreciate it! You are beautiful, You are worth it, and as long as you are willing to put the work in hope will always be there! 24/7 National Suicide Prevention Lifeline - 1-800-273-8255 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello and welcome to housing our New Zealand. I'm Tom Simonson program manager for LG NSAIDs housing 2030 program. Today. We're going to be talking about the subject of what every counselor should know about New Zealand's growing socio economic imbalance and the resulting impacts of housing insecurity on our communities to really successfully talk about this subject. T' we need to bring Case of Bill Smith from the center for research evaluation and social assessment or Cress a into the conversation. If you don't know K, you should she's a member of the healthy housing program at otago University a research leader in the building Better Homes towns and cities National Science challenge with a particular focus on affordable housing. She's LED public good science funded programs such as Aging in place, and she's a trustee for the Marlborough sustainable Housing Trust among many other roles. She's extensively published as well. Thank you for coming to the podcast. Why do you think egalitarianism matters in general and particularly for councils? Thanks Tom. I think it's interesting problem about what are the communities that we are trying to create and of course counselors have a major leadership function in that as well as managing the communities that are on the ground in either have communities that are highly unequal if you have communities in which poor excluded. It and marginalize that has all sorts of effects for canceled one is it's not very good for their rating base, but it was the first thing you've got a whole lot of people that need assistance but are unable to contribute to the their Optimum ability. So we are actually wasting the human capacity that we have in our communities and for councils. It's really important that people given that opportunity given life chances that allow them to contribute. socially and economically and that's to me is one of the fundamental things for councils is to provide framework Community connections that I can do that and housing is important and that is because housing is basis of people's lives and if they don't have a stable base if they can't get the kids to school properly and in a stable sort of way if they can't actually even find a place within a community so the shuttling in and out of that destabilizes Those communities and it destabilizes counsels of its pressures on those communities which in fact don't need to be there. So if you see housing as the infrastructure as opposed to just housing or a commodity or worse just seeing housing as a commodity that markets turn around. We see it as part of our infrastructure at has both social and economic benefits and a most importantly in the past. We've seen that as an important part of being a fair. And inclusive society and a society that uses people's talents and capacity and surely that's what councils want to do and most certainly because the well beings have been put back into the Local Government Act there in councils have something to fall back on they have the social the economic and other imperatives to fall back and say this is our rationale and this is why we're engaging on this subject to ensure that there is this measure of egalitarianism. So what is affordable housing and why? Is it important to counsel really? Well, everyone thinks they know what affordable housing is the most people think that they haven't got it in technical terms affordable housing. Is that low end as housing that is Affordable to the 40% of lowest households. However, we in New Zealand since certainly over the last decade and actually do two things that happened even before that have now got a problem. On the fluidity of housing for what we call the missing middle the middle income households who in the past with a small amount of assistance could provide for themselves. These are often people who are key workers and our communities nurses teachers in the community in which I live supervisory staff for The Vineyards a growing industry really one of the main keywords in that Community, but they can't get housing. That is Affordable to them. So it's It's even in the rental market and so there is an issue about affordability, which is not just about affordable housing but affordability for key workers and that's something that we see actually nationally. It's not something that's just about Auckland. We've spent you know, 30 or 40 years worrying about Auckland and rightly so because it is a national problem, but the reality is that those problems of housing which we often identify with Auckland are spread. Right throughout New Zealand and all councils really had to front up to those and deal with those problems if they're going to keep the economy's humming along if they're going to get good social connection if they could get good well-being out of their communities, but this isn't the first time that New Zealand is really kind of addressed this issue in 1988, New Zealand Housing Commission said, we had some pockets of serious housing need that. We need to address but generally New Zealand was a world leader in the axis of how Sighing so what changed since that time? Yes, I often reflect on that myself, and I've been thinking a lot about that in the context of the National Science challenges and I reflect on it too when I've been overseas because I used to be able to go and seize and I talk about serious housing as a I'll puff unit young got a problem. They again don't worry about it. Now. We are so far behind even where there is it's a Need to be that there are housing crises. We haven't got the tools. So there has been made me think about my counsels really have been the Martians of that is because we're such a small Society in such a dispersed Society. So it was Consolidated as a national function really cancels with beginnings of social housing in New Zealand. / Tony has rather they provided some public housing and so forth, but we are Council really became first in the 1950s 1960s was through providing pensioner housing and interestingly enough in those days. It was really for Old Men. It was for men who weren't attached to families and they've been working out in the outback and they'd been doing forestry or building roads and dams and things they'd come to town because they've retired they had high mileage because very challenged physically, but also the probably had a lifestyle that was pretty challenging to And they need a places to live and and the council housing was really one way of meeting that whereas of course since then it's shifted towards providing for women and that's partly because women live longer but it's also partly because of the way in which women are also vulnerable in terms of their economic conditions often they have poor income. So if they don't get into housing early as part of a family then they actually are even more straitened circumstances there many men. So but what happened really was a partnership about providing housing for a specific group of people that the state didn't want to provide centrally as part of the state housing all of that Capital funding but it has really disappeared light much of the funding that went into the community sector and there's been a huge drop-off. From 1990 on and along with that the building industry is no longer producing affordable housing at that low end of the magnet was good, but it was well performing has it's not bad housing. It's just for affordable modest housing. There was a group within the building industry that did that and in the 1960s or they're around you would have, you know, 30 40 percent of the new builds done. At that love those lower court has no value. So what the council's do about that. I don't think provision them direct providing. I'm not saying they should be selling up the opinion of stock. I have to say quickly because I know that is a tendency. I don't think that's always a good solution. I can understand why some councils would do that particularly under the new income real interrelated rents that there's been some anxiety around that so I'm not talk about selling out but counsel certainly can But a provide a better framing of housing program that they than they have in the past and I think you can see some councils who have been very very active in creating funding mechanisms that have allowed Community trusts to be funded to provide affordable housing Queenstown lake has an obvious one and they've been very very clever at it. They've been very successful at it hasn't cost the council lot, but it's made sure that they've got the key workers, who are Low-income workers actually in that community and tourism so let me jump on that point just a little bit because I do you hit on something that I think every counselor might want to know a little bit more about is that framing the feeling is that the Brave and that they put their own Community First and they think about the public good in a very broad sense. So they go back to the idea of if you're going to have a thriving economy if and if Going to and protect the environment everybody is in that everybody. Is there together some people might want a some people might want be but the council's role is to try and get some sort of agreement about a way forward and those councils that have been good and housing have put housing into that debate. So they've been they've they've said it's important and one of the things that you really notice particularly under the RMA is that if there's developers tend to actually even though they argue against this at times they tend to like quite clear oars around things not rules in the Old Town and Country planning act rules and a dreadful rules that meant nothing and no one can follow right but rules in terms of certainty if you meet this Mark, we will assist in this way. Those things are quite important to develop as it gives them certain things. They might not like the rule that you've got, but they will work with it because See you in a vantage in doing so that's the second things Clarity to the key actors about what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable. So the two things the third thing is that I think councils that perform well in this environment or this very difficult environment for the last certainly the last 10 years. And even before that one could argue is that they they don't see strategy as just aspirational. There's been a great things all We've got to change things and we've got to have have aspirational targets. That means that we all strive further to you know, perform those and will increase well-being and you know have more vibrant communities the other story that goes for that separation or taxes. Oh, we never thought that was really practical. Anyhow, that was just their aspirational. It's not bother. So the thing that is really important about strategy is a strategy has to be meaningful and to be meaningful. It has have a way of doing something. Tentacle on the ground. There's no Evan lots of strategies that do not provide a clear pathway or a road map to where you want to go. So there's a lot of fun with there's not enough strategic thinking my experience and my observation of both couples and fat central government is we have strategies coming out of their ears and we therefore feel quite comfortable about not meeting them. So I think that's the food thing and then the all thing I think in it is that you want to encourage and enable players to get stuff done. So the issue is not to take it out of their hands. They actually provide that ability for people to make good investment make good decisions and get assistance with a need and there's often a lot of conversations that seems to me about worrying and it is a it is that concern about public money. I know. I think there is a concern you always do have to be worried about public money. But sometimes it's the idea of being concerned about public money gets in the way of thinking about what is a good investment of that. What is going to be returned if we take that risk and there is risk involved and housing is not cheap supporting those that provide the housing that you need in your community high-value housing will happen of itself. It will always the market will work itself out there. It's in the middle and the low ins of the marker at it doesn't and that's where it's all needs to be thinking about. How does a sister to other things that are those? So those are the four if you like principal? Okay. That's who I'm very practical things that I think cancels can do. The first thing is that you need to think about. How can we help homeowners rather than just developers to redevelop reconfigure use Laying more effectively and ensure that they get the cheered benefits of that right not just have people clapping the ticket of that councils. Don't do that very well. They tend to feel more comfortable with developers who they see as professional writing. That's right interesting issue. So that's one thing and then the second thing is when the RMA came and lots changed, but some things didn't end in any District plans. Some rules just got essentially turned. Rover into the new regime and one of the areas in which that happened is an around accessory dwelling units the use of single site single titles for adding dwellings to and so we have lots of opportunities to provide more housing better sized housing Often by the use of accessory dwelling units, and it's a fantastic place for prefab. It is but you couldn't you can't do that in New Zealand really because every jurisdiction has different rules around it. They really are hopeful from the Old Town and Country planning at that are all about relationships. So the council should be looking at that and thinking about the best Pathways to enable people who own their own property to say I could put an accessory structure on this. This is what it look like and I know for a fact that the the science challenge is actually done a little bit of research on that subject to try and streamline and see where those barriers might exist. Okay. Can you speak a little bit of fact that there are these barriers exist and what maybe councils could be doing to address some of them? Well, I think that the very first barrier that we will I think is very widespread in New Zealand is that homelessness and housing need and they're not quite the same but you know, let's put them in that packet together is all about the failure of individuals that are burdened by it. And it's absolutely the opposite in general to that. There are a very small group. People who have always been evident and they and often a very very vulnerable are in those situations because they have particular pathologies that they're unwell in some way. They might have mental health illness and might have an addictions in as the might be something else that's happened within their life history, which has made them essentially withdrawal from the mainstream housing market, but they're a very very small proportion. Ian and indeed for you know 1990, they were catered through through a whole series of housing contracts and indeed through and Wellington, of course Wellington city council was one of the few councils that had an essentially a relationship with government says don't just have to build pensioner housing. You can build a wider range of housing for very vulnerable people need so people in who are very vulnerable have a multiplicity of problems do Needs support. There's no doubt about that. But the vast majority of people that who who are see precarious housing or can't meet their needs in an affordable way and not in that room. They may become a Meg because of their housing unmet housing there that they don't start there and it's a very it's important that we remember that when we're thinking about the sort of sense of hope for people and cancels. It's very important. That we do that and one of the things that is I think very problematic when we get to the very difficult stage that we've got to a New Zealand and some councils will be feeling this very extremely. So when you've got major group of people who are homeless and counts wife has to deal with that and the Fallout of that even to the issues about well, should they be sleeping on the street or not? Could we do something about that? Should we actually put a whole lot of Street Furniture? Designers in a way that people can't sleep on it at night, you know, all of those things ripples through to counsel but one of the things that it's really important recognize is that homelessness is important, but you can try and deal with homelessness, but unless you deal with the other issues about ensuring that people can actually house themselves. So there's a sort of to strategy and it's important that counsels. Don't just think about this as dealing with the most vulnerable people in our community, who are Homeless it's about a broader issue of getting a decent housing system in the community. That's quite a hard narrative because we've been fed a different sort of narrative for quite a long time for a long time. Now, then there's another sort of set of people I think that there is the idea that once you're a homeowner and it's sort of the the other side of the coin isn't it was a few and housing needs. You know, it's your fault. This is the one that the other side of that coin is if you're not in housing need you're a jolly good. Then you've done well and that sort of thing right actually people of my generation or in their 60s now. Yes, we have worked hard many of us and we've had the opportunity to do so because we were brought up within a sentence and housing. So if you talk to people of my age many of those people would have got into housing because they were able to do things like Capital easy family benefits and so forth the problem that we now have around the entitlement issue is twofold one. Is that young people think those old people are cast out of the housing market and that you know, those baby boomers are selfish horrible pill and they've had a good stock of the Savin. When are they stopping us having that? You know, that's one problem. It's not a narrative that I like particularly but again and understandable narrative for young people who are largely blocked out of housing even rental housing. So it's not just about homeownership getting decent rental housing, but the other one is Is we've worked hard to get our house in the way or our home in the way we want or where a property owners might own a number of property and it's the job of council to make sure that the lifestyle that we think that we've worked for and chosen is preserved and Council runs a very fine line through those sorts of things. And so that some of the debates around intensification for instance are about that feeling that that It's going to undermine the entitlement to comfortable use and amenity and rights of people that are homeowner to me. This wraps right back to what you were talking about. What counselors can be doing in coming up with a very clear strategy one that can be achievable one that shows a little bit of Bravery within it and one that somewhat streamlines that you can get your head around what the outcomes really look like and it seems like council is really do need to take their people their constituents on a Journey with them so that everybody's uplifted by not just some are getting some benefit from the rate and others are paying for it, but it's actually a key effort because it takes a village. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's one of the problems because councils have been largely until very recently in the last three or four years. Really, I guess five years meeting have been largely pushed out of the housing, you know got the central comes up for not really your business, you know, the best you can do is make make sure that planning a lets everyone build what they need to build really quickly. And actually we know that actually planning constraints aren't the main barrier no to the provision of housing. There are some councils that I won't name them that have not particularly good records about getting things through plans quickly and getting the processes around consenting both Iram a and buildings and sense sorted well and they need to do that. Let's let you know the very first thing you need to do is make sure that you do what is clearly your business properly and efficiently and making sure people can can you know operate well, but actually the whole councils have taken a pretty big knock on the idea that it's their planning systems essentially the public planning system that has held land back from being released that hasn't allowed Redevelopment and so forth. None of the evidence shows that indeed one the one of the areas which cancels actually have very little control over this issue of governance and the imposition of covenants on titles which is done from private individuals for a private process. So, you know, you can actually put covenants which have higher requirements on it than the district fan. Let's be really clear about then because what you're talking about in terms of a covenant on a title for those that aren't conversant on the subject is that there can be an overlay on Property that requires it to meet a certain standard design and intensity and that actually drives a lot more of what is actually an outcome for a community rather than what that process of the steps planning process that a council might go through that's the initial very beginning starting point for any Council and because that Consulting with the community and they have a broad view about how that bit of land use planning leads to but of land use planning somewhere else. And how they meld together to create a viable social and economic environment covenants. Don't do that in general there about value uplift on a particular site. I think that's something that cancels need to be talking to central government about I can't have have tended to take been sort of policy takers central government, you know, the here's the policy you take it and deal with it. I think they need to be working much more closely to be pushing back on to Talk government and say central government. You've got a whole lot of policy settings here, which don't work for us. One of them. I think is Covenant as creatures of Statute. You'd normally assume that they would take the you know, the the position of oh, we're just being told what to do and we're following through about what you're advocating for is the fact that where these things don't work councils and probably through LG and said need to be a little bit more vocal and highlight the fact that certain places things just don't work and we need Need to address those head on if we're going to overcome some of our barriers. What are some of those outcomes that you see or realize I mean happiness is good, isn't it? Yes, I I mean, I mean, I wait like the Danish modern accent because it sort of sort of collective its model bit. What the Danes done really? Well I think is that they've dealt with the distribution of inequality. So it's a much more egalitarian society. There are some extremely wealthy people in Denmark. There are some poor but In general the tail of you like with the very poor and impoverished has been resolved through the provision of Health housing and support for economic activity. And so housing is like Central to that and what you see I was recently in Sweden what you see is Sweden is going through what New Zealand went through 20 or 30 years ago. Now they've got pushing it back into essentially relying. Lying increasingly on the market the selling off some assets housing assets, which is part of what the community is built up over the years into the private Market that's selling that off. You can see already. They are going down a pathway that we essentially some of the top performing Nations and in the world particularly in terms of housing, but not too late and standard as living room. And now we're getting we've got a major major major housing crisis. There is a You know, we had a big natural experiment and what that means. Is that the lack of affordable housing really puts a break on our community. It puts a break on Social and Health Services. It puts a break on the expansion of certain industries and it puts a break on the ability of a council to plan their settlements. Well because the response to the lack of affordable housing or thigh. You know, even at the aggregate level just not enough ounces is that it tends a New Zealand to push us out. And as soon as we push out spatially councils have to be at the costs of that. They've got roadways as though it's above ground and below ground tential for eat up. Those are very fertile soils, which actually drive some of those communities. I think only recently will kind of be saying mmm, what's happening to all of our good soils there. That wasn't just It feeds New Zealand and also gets us expert at earnings. But also that was a form of income for us is actually they quick windfall gain from putting housing water that really a good economic pathway for us as a city. The problem that councils can get into is that the problem becomes so bad and seems to be a crisis and I think there is a crisis that I didn't I have no, Dartmouth. There's a housing crisis, but we need to not we need to act in ways which I measured and resilient and build a resilient adaptable system for the future not just deal with the crisis, which actually is now so large it's almost impossible just to have a quick one. It's about a dealing with the core of the problem. Not the symptoms of it. If you're going to tackle the cold you work on the cold not the the fever and the other things that result from it. Okay. Well, this is really really informative Kay. For anybody listening if you have more questions because obviously we have a Fountain of Knowledge here. You can reach k @ k @ Kress stres a DOT code NZ. Thank you Tom. It's been great to talk with you.

Kay Saville-Smith discusses, among other issues:  1. Why does egalitarianism matter in general and particularly for councils? 2. What is affordable housing and why is it important for councils? 3. Are there barriers to meet housing needs such as stereotypes and sense of entitlement amongst different social groups or generations? 4. What can councils do? Kay is a sociologist and director at CRESA, specialising in applied social research and evaluation in housing, public policy and community development. Kay has undertaken extensive research into housing markets, housing demand, retirement villages, accessible housing, sustainable housing, the residential built environment and neighbourhood build environments. Kay is committed to and a successful provider of public good research. She has led a number of public good science funded programmes, including: Life When Renting: Enabling Older People's Independence in the Tenure Revolution; Finding the Best Fit: Housing, Downsizing, and Older People in a Changing Society; and the Architecture of Decision-making funded by the Building Better Homes Towns and Cities National Science Challenge. In 2018 Kay was made a Member of the NZ Order of Merit for Services to Older People's Research and Housing Research. She is currently appointed to the Ministerial Advisory Group on Housing and Urban Development and is a trustee for the Marlborough Sustainable Housing Trust. Previously she has been a council member for the Lifetime Design Foundation Council, a member of the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Warm Homes and a member of the Office for Senior Citizens' Independent Advisory Group Reviewing the Positive Ageing Strategy.

And welcome back to the 90th minute. We are your hosts. We got myself Liam Lucas. Greg co-host was is not with us today, but that is more than okay. Yeah. It's a midweek episode as you can tell the table is clear, right? It's going to go for a brief rundown of the midweek fixtures particularly in the Premier League what we're also going to cover some well transfer activity will talk about a London Derby will read watts is thoughts on the Manchester United match. I wonder why was isn't here right now. That wasn't justStill like will talk about the party numb pizza party and Ibiza. But yes, like Lucas said we're going to kick it off with a London Derby Chelsea vs. Arsenal at Stamford Bridge. This game is a bit of a mess. Yeah start to finish just a mess. You could say it's fraudulence. Why is it fraudulent? Both teams are frauds. There's a lot of teams that could be considered frauds this year and primarily but you can say that maybe but 17 clubs potentially, but if we kick off this game, there's a big talking point rather early on we must start with David Luiz David Luiz get since the first turns the Stamford Bridge guys. Yes, and then gets a red card. He's it's not really not his fault. He's sold very short by mistake. It is his fault to some extent for getting a red car booster could have just let it be a goal stuff. He passes back to his keeper but the ball doesn't get any more halfway like halfway to where it needs to be. So definitely wheezes rushing back Tammy Abraham picks up. The ball looks to be clean through on that dive a Louise goes through his back. Oh kind of through the side in my through his back. It's a red card. He Raps like around them. It's a red. Yeah deserving read. Yes. What would have been a goal? Lucas technically, it's yes. Okay. Don't technically it's not a bad challenge or anything. It's just it's a golden opportunity. Yeah, it's time to Abraham. Like I said, he goes through gets taken out the red car for David Luiz he's off after it was a 20 25 minutes. It was in the 26th minute or 20 25 minutes somewhere around there around that moment. But then mr. George in your steps up penalty taker he pops up because losses in the I'm Corner she's very good at penalties. It's only because run-ups I mean apocalypse. This shit is random sort of makes it seem obvious where he's going to go but then the last second he kind of goes other side. No not the other side just places a wall this case and a lot of matches. He doesn't place it that well, but the keeper goes the other way. He yeah, he put it pretty good in the corner. So it was nice into the corner. Like I said, yeah. So one meal Chelsea George, you know what the penalty the game moves on and you know what? I thought Chelsea were a much better team. In the first half. I mean they were deathly dominant on the ball 11 verses 10. What do you expect? I mean, yes, they should be so and arsenal were playing Jacques centre-back the xhaka Mustafa centre-back Perry. I saw a tweet. It was like, wow the entire history of Arsenal Football Club is leading up to this moment arsene Wenger every single player I've ever had. This is the Pinnacle of our civil rights head Martin. Keown Adams Sol Campbell. Full Campbell you've had even kashani was a good player this date to sack of like now xhaka who is a midfielder and mustafi playing Center back in a match because what choices do you have Rob holding who's not better? Like I don't know. He's had injuries. Yeah. It was a rough scenario B in so I mean art had to decide did he want to bring on another defender or did he want to have some of his attacking players on the field? He didn't make a substitution after the red card. You left it. And he's you know, what we're going to try to actually go on and win this game which is, you know, honorable by our tattoo a little bit. Maybe you may think a little stupid but you know, it's something that Arsenal feel they could score goals against Chelsea, so they said let's not sacrifice her goal scoring threat for defense of solidarity. So it's interesting to see but as for the longest time throughout the match just Chelsea had the ball, they they create some chances, but they weren't badly like they weren't they didn't have that killer instinct. They They had I don't know it just wasn't it was a little soft but it's interesting you bring up the words Killer Instinct. That's what Frank Lampard said his side lacked in this game. Was that Killer Instinct that that final kind of that final thing. You can hold on to the ball as long as you want, but if you're not gonna do anything with it, yeah exactly because like you can have a session is good. But possession can be also be bad. If you don't do anything with positive possession. Yeah 55th minute Lucas comes off the field. Mesut Ozil got subbed off. Oh, you are lucky fluke Chelsea have a penalty corner. And then they don't the ball goes the length of the field right up the middle Martinelli. So it gets a little lucky who was this a saloon girl alcalde had a Steven Gerrard moment and go look at they that yeah, he does slip EG moment, right? That's the thing. I saw was like you laugh at that Chelsea player for slipping then you find out it's in goal of wanting to feel bad. Yeah, but yeah cantus left Center Circle Martinelli's through on goal one on one with the keeper very calmly and coolly Slots at home. Yeah. Is this the man Arsenal can rely on? For the next few years. I don't know because I've only seen such small samples of him. He scored a lot of goals in all competitions outside the Premier League, but this is a chance he should be taking he seems like a decent towel though. He's got Pace. He's got size. You got some strength to him. He seems to be able to take a Finnish been inconsistent though. He has but he is still a young player. I think Arsenal in general being inconsistent, but there's someone that maybe they can look that as a hey, we're not you know, if Ami and lacazette are not able would have we have at least an option up front right? I know there are some stats that popped up that was like from United fans who were probably annoyed at Arsenal sensing that Martinelli's better than Greenwood and they just put some negative steps out there. But like when you watch and he does look promising yes represent. He has a good run and a good finish. Well, not just that though like is swords later in the match. You could see like he was trying to create some chances trying to get into good spaces. Like positive things that you want to see from a young player, but I think this kind of this goal came against the Run of form because Chelsea look to be getting a bit more into the match in run a play play run of form. Whatever you want to call it. I'd say run of play. Okay run of play Chelsea seem to be getting more into match. Look for me would be over. Oh my God. Sorry, the grammar. The grammar police is oh Jesus Thunder grammar. I don't know what to say, but Chelsea look to be more likely to score a UND than it was for Arsenal to tie it up. So is a huge sway of momentum. It's also Arsenal's first shot of the match. Yeah. It was our song We're not in the game for the first half an hour of glucose our and got the assist who got the assist. I don't know I heard it was Mustafa. It is most happy. You're correct. Mustafa is more assists than Jesse. Lingard. You love to see it for United Chelsea make their changes after that goal Ross Barkley Mason Mount and Mitchie backs. Are you coming on Rob holding is eventually make an appearance for Nicholas peppy. But 84th minute Dave looks like he's won the game for Chelsea you some of these are as Bill aquata balls coming in off the corner. He just seemed to land at him starts at home under the keeper. It's a good finish. Yeah. It was yeah and finish and Arsenal they saw Bond Rob holding before that. Yes, like the lead. It doesn't help at all. It does not but don't worry. This is score. Rishaad FC pretty much. So ya later in him, I guess yeah five minutes after that. The ball goes to the other end. As long as I was like, yeah, five minutes Hector ballerina the other Spanish fullback, he goes listen, you can score I can kappas crap. I'm going to put one past curling effort back post with his weak foot with his foot and I think Kappa should have got something on I got to be honest. It was a great finish. It was well-placed, but Kappa has to be doing better though. I mean if it's a few hours a few Just holler. Yeah, he would have gotten in touch. I just I don't know. I'm not a solo Kappa right now. I mean after you read that stat your mind completely changes. Yes, take a look at our Tick Tock our last episode for that stat about kept a resemble Agha everything. So interesting last name. Well, I mean why not just Kappa its capital reserve a logger who is spelling that out to search him. Nobody kept out changer Instagram. I don't like it. It's his name. You're gonna just put kept up. That's like me telling you to change your Instagram from Liam. Peace to my last name is not resemble Agha. Yeah, but it says name its means a lot to you. Don't use your full last name because yeah because it's too long to spell am I wrong? No. Yeah. There you go. Thank you Case Closed shut up moving on. I can't believe I gotta help me. Yeah. Yeah, I think Liam actually tore you yeah. I'm sure look if we look at the Stats for this match Chelsea had damn near 60 percent of possession. They also had total of 19 chances 8 on target to Arsenal two chances to On Target to goals 2 goals 1 Now Chelsea. We saw this again with them in the weekend fixture. They had possession couldn't convert here. They are again having possession having the chances not converting Tammy Abraham seems to be not scoring Hudson noise not scoring Millions not score such as out pull the stitches out to be I've heard of Hudson until he's been playing better in recent weeks. I guess we don't scare me. He's not a gold squeezer Winger giving you rely. All nothing is Chelsea ever since Tammy Abraham went out a form. That's when they've started to look not Chelsea need to rely on their Wingers to chip in with some goals because their Midfield is not exactly a goalscoring Midfield. I mean, you're not wrong but you know as a penalty taker as long as the way he gets goals and goal LeConte is more of a defensive midfielder covid Church does what covid church does but none of them are like for sure. Berkeley sure, they're not Claire's gonna go bang It Go like every no they're not they're not a goal scorers. Not a Kevin De bruyne. And Mason Mount is very nice amount is very young missing still just you know, he's learning the primarily great Chelsea just can't put on Frank Lampard on the field. They would like Tom but you know, boys I'm coming. I actually I actually heard the commentary during the match say Chelsea just need a Frank Lampard. Okay? Yeah, any team would like a girlfriend? Midfielder that's what they need. Yeah, but you know they can rely on just the Centre forward who's not he's also a young huh? How does Tim Abraham like 22? Yeah, it's over the whole beauty of this top six clubs is on a 22 year old whose brand new to the Premier League. Yeah, like he's been doing he's scored. A lot of schools is he's been very good for this year, but he needs some help. He needs the Winger's I know I don't pull the stick was scoring when he was back when he was 15 years old. He was scoring more than Willian. And Hudson at all way you gotta give credit to willing. He's been putting he's been not bad this year pretty good. I'll terrible inconsistent you could say but still what for Arsenal is this potentially? Hey, you know what two chances to LOLs were deadly in front of that. No not I Arsenal they still have only one win with Miguel arteta. Yes, and now that it's Manchester United. This is a great result for Arsenal considering the circumstances. Yeah, but it's not what you want to see still but yet again for Chelsea, there's still a top for side but the results have been piss poor. Yeah. Yeah, like if you Chelsea's results without looking at the table you'd be shocked at to drink Land part is lost eight games. Yeah, and they're taught for how our souls lost loves games. How the how like, how is this? Yes, I know. They haven't drawn the minigames. That's the big thing but it lost eight matches this season. It's ridiculous. You know. Yeah, it's how many of them are at home probably a lot of them. I know this really mean much for you. Look at their goals for and goals against average. Seven goals for and then one point three goals against that's too many also be conceding if you're at all four side. I mean, yeah, it's on the parts on par with multiple teams below them except for Sheffield United who are obviously very good defiantly like you it's just crazy that Chelsea are still significantly clear of top for like yeah. Yeah, it says a lot about it just shows how I'm really great. Now how close the Premier League is the season? Well, it's not even close like this six. It's difference between Chelsea and Fifth and because V Adventures. Yeah, we all know what I'm just like the mid-table battle. Now. This is before Liverpool play wolves and wolves could defeat Liverpool. Yes, just and they be only three points behind Chelsea would hope you can try doesn't happen. Hey, it would be great for the Premier League Cup for race, but I hope we don't lose. If we if we look at the Arsenal lineup though. Yes, they are missing Obama am because of a suspension but you know the front for we always look at the front for of ourselves something to be angry attack-minded, you know Pepe Ozil, Martinelli and lacazette. What about me and comes back? Yes. I know. He's the best player at the club. Yes. He is the best player that person that ever had ever had start that they have right now do they drop Martinelli? He's been decent form this this past few games. I thank you. I'm not sure if Arsenal fans think this but I think you could potentially drop lacazette. He's not I know there's a few matches. He's working very hard, but there's also quite a few matches where he's just not offering anything off. This is my finals to assist in 17 matches. He's played so far this year and in the recent matches to just something seems off about him. Yeah, just missing something. Yeah, like maybe it's just confidence because Strikers they need goals and without goals. Their their confidence is shot. Yeah, like we see Danny. Yeah, it's always says that Özil is one the most You know influential in terms of assists and goalscoring chances. I mean, you know why I'm not so so he's got one assist the season. That's it. I mean when your Striker your taxes weren't scoring like lacazette. What can you do? I I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying don't don't don't be another I was Ill but look I can say also was not good in this match, but it's hard to play. Well when you have 10 men, yeah, so should we not wanting to attract back and defend but or not as much as you need I guess in this Sure. Nothing is so is a bombing back next match. I think he misses one more week or three bath of Louise is but now it is it the FA Cup match that they that they miss then or is it just another just Premier League? I'm pretty sure I don't understand that but I'm fairly sure. Yeah, so it's not ideal time for Arsenal. But then again you have to be patient as long as you don't get relegated Chelsea. They are after I was all there are four. On 40 points and Arsenal are up to 10th on 30 points. So a 10 point gap between the two clubs. That's bad. That's shockingly good Arsenal are down. There was Southampton and Crystal Palace like oh, oh boy. That's a rough time laughter thing. You gotta be hot. Like Arsenal you has to be happy with that result, but it's at the same time. It's just like wow, I mean before they scored that goal to tie the match. Oh they were in the bottom half. Yeah. So my question is do we stick? The Tuesday matches or do we go to a Wednesday match? I mean we can go to whatever you want lean lean picks up an awesome Point know my mind either going to be Everton Newcastle are united Burnley. Let's just talk about me. You know, I'd Burnley because that's more recent on our minds Manchester United fall to nail to Burnley at Old Trafford burnley's first win at Old Trafford since the mid-60s. Yeah shocking also absolutely shocking by Manchester United. I don't know if this is a hundred percent true. But apparently that's burnley's first half goal since November 9s. It is. Yeah. That just shows United right now. She's mrs. United's Worst season ever right now are like I know people are saying we're start but it's already 23 matches in that's not really a star to night or just crap. Like it will was sent us a statement. I will read it out. Well, I want to talk about our three opinions first and our views on this matter because quite frankly we look at Manchester United Club that has no identity has no play style. Has players who should not be playing for this club has a manager who seems to be clueless at the top has a board that has no idea what they're doing. The entire Club is just in shambles. Yeah, and I mean they did create a few chances in the first half that they didn't take advantage of each kind of sews kind of similar with Chelsea a little soft in the attack a little again. You are missing Marcus Ratchford. He's gonna be out for two or three months. It's a key player moment their main player, you know, his goals have been so influential. Tension for the team where the hell the goal is going to come from. You know, Daniel James says barely scored this season. Well, as of late has been delayed Jesse lingard can't hit the net do anything. He did hit the net I was no Martini marshy Alice. So hit or miss a guys. I don't like his work out. I feel like I feel like he doesn't have any support. I'm not sold on Anthony Marshall other than his debut name me the biggest moment Marshall has for United do not score like an important goal to send unites the f Final 1 year potentially. I don't know if I remember it's for someone who's been there. Now for what Four Seasons Five Seasons and that he hasn't been the what United once said. It was a future of Ballon d'Or winner. That's what they called him. When he first came from Monaco. This is the future Ballon. D'Or winner know he just he hasn't been influential for me. He's had moments where you look good, but he's had a way more moments where he's looked. She plays a lot better when R ashford's playing with him, though. Oh is that rash would bring him up a little bit or just their partnership, you know both when you have a talented player long you it's yeah, it's easier to have a good partnership with them. And when that person goes away, it's more difficult if players don't have good synchronicity with you, you know, I don't know that we'll get more into the transfer news later on in the episode. You know, I need is Hannah goal scorer. Yeah, it's I know they've been linked something to say but everyone seemed like they're getting linked with Mousa dembélé is a great goal. Scorer. Look you love the man. He's great. I'm ready for seasonally on he just kept whatever he messed up. I just sent videos to him and got pissed off because you were you were you were writing off a generational Talent. That's a generalization or rather. Yes, Marshall did get a game-winner against Everton in the FA Cup semi-final in 2016. You'll have to see it. But well done for Anthony Morris the actual match just talked about that. Yeah, so Christopher wood big man. He scored to the 39th minute. He's having a fantastic goal scoring year. Are you really? Yes, he's got ten goals this season. It's not bad. It is very good the big kiwi up front you love it. Then for Burnley 10 goals in a season is pretty decent. I mean that could be what keeps you up in her sends you down 2% and then later on. I'm a match in the 56th minute the goal of the week. Jay Rodriguez were absolute Thunderbolt off the cross bar down into the net Dev - hey is left flapping poor David get-off. It was not looking good. There's only two look like an absolute wet napkin midweek. Here's Big Jay Rodriguez. Well, I got you big man. Yeah, but Liam Jay This is an interesting player. You know former Southampton Polaris was in the championship last season if I'm not mistaken with Westbrook didn't follow the champ classy the last thing using the proudly because yeah, but he's the guy I think he's had several injuries, but it's good to see that he's a great golfer. I don't know just having a great season before four goals this season up to be great. But hey, any amount of goals is better than some players doing this thing. You know, he works hard more on the to win the ball back. I mean you have to expect that from players on Burn exactly. He's not gonna have a You exceptional in front of goal record, but he's going to work hard off the ball chase down when you're that lowered when you're the lower teams. You want your players to work hard I fight for the ball did Burnley not make any subs they need to I guess not. I don't think brother ever actually really tested this game. I second half second half especially it was it's very one of those matches where it's just a team desperate to get a goal, but they have no ideas and it just keeps going across in the box and Keep going to defend his head and cleared out my favorites. And I mean when when you got Luke Shaw and Jesse lingard is your like Subs coming on at the same time. Like that's and Walker that's rough and and want to Sock has least. He's a great defender, but he's not showing that he's not that great offensively. He's all one foot left foot. He's got no idea. There's like one dangerous cross. He had I think in the first half it wasn't really that great if it's like Ross, but I watch there's a moment the second of later on where he had a chance to cut it on to his Often part possibly take a shot or two with the ball in we went back onto his right and got pushed out of bounds of those like Aaron you're a mensch as hair player use both feet. I mean, there's a lot of players Israel's fault. It's shocking that you get to the top level of football. They can't use both feet. Hmm. But fairest out of the night United 72% possession seven shots on goal. Nothing. Yeah, I wonder if Allah has made his comments already about the match and this just happened is all I will say something like, oh we were great hour ago finished an hour ago loved our press we loved our our intensity want Rio ferdinand's comment sure. I don't see a six six hundred million Squad out there what has been what has been bought I'm sitting up here and I'm embarrassed people at the top need to make changes. You can't defend this. It is ridiculous. Which we talked about we can go on to this conversation for the literal hours because honestly I think is when I was interesting topics and football is how has this club disintegrated so quickly it's not so quickly. It's been happening for years, but but Lucas in terms of recruitment this be no talents coming through and you don't have the right guys hired you. Yeah, that's a big thing and Woodward needs to get the hell out of there the glaze There's need to figure out a way. The Glaciers are the owners of interest, you know, they need to figure out a way to get someone in there who can successfully rebuild this club. Yeah, because there's a full rebuild of this point you want to read was this comment? Yeah, I can read was his one. So weíll send this to us right after the match finished. He's not work. So unfortunately couldn't make it. He says I have tried to defend all as much as I can. But after this match is made it clear once again, he is not fit to manage Manchester United his tactics are what Get into the final third and then just pass the ball anywhere and hope it gets to the player. He has no style of play and his so and is so rarely shown that his team selection is also questionable with playing the likes of Jones and Pereira only player. I enjoyed watching today was Brandon Williams who looks extremely composed for his age the way I see it is all I has become a better manager at his as time in Manchester United, but he's not capable of rebuilding a club of this stature. It's clear. We are a mid-table quality. Side Andres primeira to me was shocking there was moments and match format to made runs and he left we opened up but he decided to go for net instead and the ball ended up and Rose Ed and to I can go on with how many issues and I'd have by remember all these problems stem from the hierarchy which I agree with Mmm Yeah. I'm some comments from Olli after the match. He said we hold our hands up. It wasn't good enough. The boys are giving everything. They've got we're still fifth in the table. I don't think the boys are Everything they have yes is not a good enough side, but you tell me these players are not capable of beating a mid to bottom side Burnley says Manchester United. They need to be winning that Luke Shaw is gay paid a hundred fifty thousand pounds a week you like mentioning that a long as it's staggering to me. I think he spends all on McDonald's because imagine fat I'm fat. I'm not playing in Manchester United if I'm getting paid to have money, we can reach out to play for one of the biggest clubs in the history of football. I'm not looking like Luke Shaw. Am I Wrong only him you're not in that position. So we keep looking at Jesse lingard stats of no gold no assist in the primary and we laugh at it but the shocking point is not only is he still a Manchester United player? He's consistently getting playtime. No, but I I gotta agree though. I think Williams is just much but I'm willing to be very good isn't he was very good. It's all my things get shot out of there. He's not good enough. You're it's not that easy these you're not good enough sending danger my line. They'll take them. They need all the left back to the world is seems not wrong. Just United. He played for United. You're lucky get in there golden bucket has eyes like would Lukaku help this team represent a hundred percent. Yes Lukaku had it if you year last year, but he's still someone you don't want to get a dozen goals. I don't think you had a good relationship with with Oli at least. It didn't seem like it was a good relationship. You wasn't performing to the best of his abilities and now he's with a manager that he loves and he's performing Terms of Lukaku he made on the best movies of his life. He got it out of the shit hole that is united into a very young and attack sided and he's doing well chaplain who are doing well in Champions League and in Syria, but with well, you know, it's like kind of like Chelsea like with United doing so badly, but you're still six points behind top for which is not like with how they're performing. You think they'd be like 15 behind. I keep seeing the I keep seeing Roy Roy Keynes comparison of you keep giving And they want to keep getting Frank Lampard time because he's you know a Chelsea player and you know, he's gonna rebuild that club. Why don't you give the time to all I well quite frankly. I don't think I would have given the time to Frank Lampard either. I would have got someone else and but you don't Frank loud part is getting decent results with I think on paper at least a poor Club upper side outside of their Midfield their Midfield is very good. You're correct, but Manchester United have the world was expensive Defender. One of Europe's top goalkeepers a generational town to Marcus Rochford. They're going to say Paul Pogba. I don't even consider United player this point is it guys and played for how long he doesn't want to be there, you know, the club's refusing to sell them supposedly and he just wants to get anywhere other than United United should look at what Liverpool dead Liverpool sold continue investing good players. You have to I can't keep someone there who has no one. I'm good, but they don't want to be there there. I want to fit into your side. They're not going to work for you Christian Eriksen. It's not like it's not like one day Paul. Paul was going will he know what I like Manchester? It's beautiful. I love the rain. I'm gonna play here for all I know they're going off go back to 2D and or go to Barcelona or wherever he wants to go not three-d-- Madrid much nicer place to live. I'd assume I mean, I've never had never been to either Madrid or Manchester, but I assume Madrid's nicer just saying but Let's take a look at the United starting 11 because quite frankly it just hurts my head Phil Jones. Neat little joke you need to rest Lindelof. He's been playing so my children should not be at the steam Lucas. I'm pretty sure that is stoked quality. And that's a rude thing to say about Stoke. Did you see always so could you see that? You see the Tweet Burger King sent out some guys tend to tweet to Burger King say, will you please take Luke Shaw and Burger King says what says we will hire him when Burger King doesn't want you Luke Shaw, you know, there's a problem. You're being overly harsh in my opinion to Luke Shaw about his heart either crap. This is a bad United. It's not great. This is we know its leaders are bad. The bench is bad only doesn't seem to have a clue where the hell is going. Here. He is. No playstyle. No drive. No ambition. The club hierarchy is just like we're United that should women's games know. Now the thing is last year. They got rid of Mourinho fright poor choice my Radha no Ledo and Started getting results from it does. How does it happen here? There's always a balance should only resign or should he be sacked only out is trending all the way out always Trend or does he stay? Well, I mean, it's a pleasure is ours trying to yeah, that's a big one. Um, We had to know about a tech talk live before we started this oven and if any of you guys were on watching that but I said, I think you should get rid of Olay bring in a manager who has pedigree has the ability to attract top top talents, but they need to give them manager then years to get this club back to where they should be needs to get a full rebuild. But what top talents is going to want to join Manchester United in this situation right. Now. You're going to have to go a few bars below. That is true. Two Fine players who are bees that say and grow them into AIDS. You can't go out there and expect to sign MBA pay that's not happening. Yeah, you're not you're not going to sign another pulp off. But again, no, it's like I don't hardly United or not don't like dealing with agents like Mendez, which is Bruno for nuns agent and obviously don't have a good relationship with Rio Le at the moment. Bruno Fernandez is a deal they need to get done as we speak. It seems to be they've reached an agreement of five million pounds is still being held up because I don't know it's questionable. You know, I just seem to not want to spend that extra five to ten million pounds to get the job done. I mean, which I think they just need to do right now get it over with. Yeah, you know, you're not the top club anymore. You're gonna have to pay a little extra to get the top talents like Lucas said there but I don't know. I don't know who they can. You know, we keep saying oh if Pacino still develop Argentina low spots, you don't want this job. Probably not like It seems like a vile toxic place to work. I gotta be honest. I mean, he he probably was not enjoying time at Spurs towards the end because of I don't know players revolting maybe or just the end of the era of Tottenham there. I know there was a interview with José Mourinho and he said when he was there, he didn't know what the club's goal was. He didn't know what they're like with their their plan was for the next few years. So he said before he went to Spurs he asked the question of what do you want? Where do you want to be what he see ourselves as how do you want to get there? You know, I don't want to take a job where you don't know where you want to be kind of thing. Which I mean if you did, I don't know where they want to be or how they're going to get there. That's big issues. Yeah, you're supposed to be at our club upper. It's it definitely starts the very top of the Glaziers Woodward the board of directors. Whoever's in charge of making the siding so I don't think so shires and charger signings whoever's in charge of that. Get them out of there. They're just they're ruining this club. It's not good and it's just a mess right now and something needs to change. What are we? What are we moving on to? Well, those other good discussion. I did enjoy Rippy and unite a little bit, but I want to go back to talk about Everton Newcastle. Yeah. Well, that's almost boiling. Most exciting games of the week. The crazy one. I mean a great ending. Yes big man Moyes a cane finally gets his first goal for Everton. It seemed to mean a hell of a lot to him. I mean, he's gonna get that money. He off your back. His reaction was huge hundred percent. I mean one year on when you're having a lot of expectations you've come for a high price and then people like Liam are slagging you constantly then I don't think noisy can't really pay attention to what I say about him. But surely there's probably a lot of people who say similar stuff to you on social media and especially after his time with Duncan Ferguson where he was brought on as a substitute and brought off like what 20 minutes later kind of thing? Yes, I I'm sure his ego and his his characters taking a lot of bad ring or the past few weeks and months, but it's good for him to have the goal and it seemed to be a big goal for Everton seem to be right flying hiya to get a big victory here after him the man the myth the legend Dominic Calvert would Lucas his favorite player loves them. He makes it to nail for the toffees. Was it a good goal? It wasn't bad. It's a good touch. Like, how was can you explain the goal to me? I can read the official. Okay. Nevermind. Don't I don't want to read someone else's notes. Sorry. Sorry. I think it's just hate. I did not watch this game live Lucas. I have to apologize. Okay. Neither did I only went back and watch the last two minutes because that's where the real action which we're gonna get to. Yeah. So if you were expecting a good analysis of this entire match, I apologize, but it's the last we were watching other matches during this time. Last five minutes that really matter all it matters because as you could as you can probably tell if you paid attention to the premier Li you Castle score in the 94th minute at what's that face for Louise? What would you consider a good about a goals for a centre-forward this I know I know how they're doing scored a lot. Okay. So Carolyn has ten goals this season and the primarily yes. I thought he had more he's got 10. Here we go with Bobby from you know how this fun new you're gonna stop it. But he's got Wingers. I'm not comparing I'm not gonna bite into you that not chiral. I just I just looked at Liverpool has Wingers that score the top of the league. I just I just looked at his Terry wasn't just for me. No have seven. Hmm. Okay pop up on that face of yours. And I was just like something's coming here. All right. Keep going on Locust miss ya Newcastle score late to one. You think it's too little too late, right? What a good goal. It was my Le Jardin Nice pronunciation bicycle kick by the big man, you like to see it. Yeah, but and another chance for Newcastle straight away for some reason fifth minute the ball gets flung into the box and absolute pandemonium. Chaos ensues, it looks to just stop how Ricochet and stay out. However, the watch says the ball crossed the line goal. His Pickford was well behind the book Allegra's infant was in his own net. He does make the same but he's in his own golf ball crosses a line. It's 2-2 and absolute see Dean needs a goodison ancelotti pissed off. He also said after the game that he's okay with it because he's lost chanting files after being 3-nil up poems like you did. I mean, I think he's trying to like make his first acting. Yeah. I also love the tweet from the Everton fan who left the game with like five minutes to go. He's on the Traders great win big big timer buzzes. Something goes it's to to me he goes. No, but yeah. Gorgeous, I mean, how is Bruce doing this? It's big game Bruce became Bruce. This is not a big game it is when your relegation fighting to not relegation fighting though. Oh, we're now. Yeah, they're not and going to Everton Everton's you would you think is a upper mid day mean? I guess they're tied their time with point. So I guess it I guess but we can't come on. Come on paper. When you think of Everton like you think five teams tied on 30 points right now. Now there's not no but you know Everton seem to be getting bit more playstyle under Angela. I seem to be getting more results. So ever since Duncan for are they really getting results Eileen like they were losing almost every game before and they brought in Ferguson. They had a bit of a bounce and Charlie comes in. He seems to have got a little more settled. Let's say 1 versus Burnley. Yeah one versus New Castle then they lose to Manchester City then they lose to Liverpool. Kids they defeat Brighton one-nil tie was Time 1 1 and now untie Newcastle to to so not the greatest. It's not terrible. It's not inspiring but it's also it's better than what you're doing before. Yeah, it's survival. You know, they'll survive this. Let's say you were saying I think when you draw them in just survive this and then start again, but some players bring in some new ideas start out there playing Wofford and Crystal Palace in the next two matches for both tough games. They need to be when those because after every game in the primary that stuff for now. After those two matches Arsenal Manchester United Chelsea Liverpool and you could say that three of those matches may not actually be that difficult personal and United are who knows Arsenal United might be easier than water and I shall see you at home. Well Chelsea a way I guess but at Stamford Bridge, which they haven't been great there. You never know. You never know how to sleep but for Newcastle huge 2.0 huge Point rescued two goals, right the very end that back amazing the results keep you up, that can be a man. Of Point end of the season scrape momentum into the match against Oxford United. I mean that's you know, two goals from someone who you would never think to score goals, you know, it's clutch performance where your players who are getting the best out of what they have heard anything. Yeah, they're dead. That's right. They definitely work hard like this which is what you want. Are you could question many Newcastle players in the past handful of years of not working hard enough not really wanting to be there. But these players definitely are working for the manager and giving their best. Some of them may not be that talented. But when you work hard you're going to get results and sometimes sometimes you're just that bad where you even if I work hard work is more important. I mean, that's that's how Liverpool is in my opinion a little bit of talent that they have course. They have knowledge not denying that I work hard. I'm just saying they work hard and they get results based on count plus hard work helps. motivational speeches right there Let's talk about kids like what another match though that had prompted a huge know from from yesterday. Okay, it had huge implications Bournemouth Brighton. Liam loves us one. This is a huge game. Remember what I said last podcast Liam how they had to be Brighton. That'd be one of Brighton or I think Aston Villa. Hmm and they got the one. Yeah, they did. I believe you chewed when I believe in Bournemouth again. I'll still not my beliefs is still there. Okay, I'm For you, how about you? I'm still not sold one game does not define the season you're not wrong. But but it's it helps a lot. Really 3-1 victory over Brighton at home is a huge result for them. Harry Wilson with a the goal Pascal gross with a goal and Callum Wilson finally get on the scoresheet again. Oh no. No, he scored later on. It says Uncle here for the second one. Yeah, the third one was telling Moses. Yes. Yeah. Well most industrious angry. We got it was an own goal the second one. Yes. Yes, but technically it was not him but he gets a third one himself Calvin was like, it's the third one. Yes, how do whatever say the same thing just different ways. Yes, but yes it M31 and more just get a consolation goal at the end Callum Wilson huge. He's back at the scoresheet. Hopefully he can get fired up again get going toward goals because they quite literally rely on him. Hmm. Yeah. Did you get to watch this match? I saw the highlights of it and watch the full one. I Tribble second half you know, I thought Bournemouth were not terrible. They had pressed they had some energy to them. Then again brain aren't exactly the top of opposition. And I guess I guess Boris do do do better against clubs that keep possession in Brighton. Is that type of club? Like if you look at recent results against well recent ones. They've had or recent good results the Chelsea Wick Victory all see Chelsea like possession Arsenal draw our Stone like Session so maybe there's something to this. Maybe they'd like to counter-attack. Maybe they maybe they play better against the team's higher up the tape. There are a quick Pace UT here. So the countertop doesn't suit them a little bit. But all that's huge result. Yeah. None else was Eddie Howe in the job for another week. Are you worried about Brighton? I mean they are down 15. There are only two points ahead of relegation, but they haven't been terrible. The only a negative seven gold difference. They're not bad. I mean there's more to life than gold differently. Yes, but I'm saying they can least score a few goals. Yes. Yeah, like they don't concede as many as Villa. Yes. I think Brian are going to be okay, they'll be closed but they'll be okay this year. Mmm. You can't call I still think you can't call the relegation. It's gonna be tight. How I think the relegation battle to be more interesting than the top right now because the top teams to be done kind of settled number one's over. Yes. We you know that at least bright and they're trying to play a nice style Yeah, Eddie how has his style he has his play philosophy now. Yes that might result in, you know close to relegation or relegation itself, but they see sticking to it easily. No, this is how we play this or our philosophy we stick to it. I'm gonna brighten. Well I said born mr. He said bro. And I was wondering why you're mentioning how that's right. Do they do Grand Potter? It's not bad. I don't mind was a manager. Not me know what you're talking about with Bournemouth isn't wrong but like yes, I said what he said. He said brightens Tony bees. All right. What's next Liam Villa watford's another last minute love it. This is a great guy. Watch. This is a fantastic game. It starts out with Troy deeney be an absolute shit house really do love the relegation battle. It's great that they're great. Great. Troy deeney big Birmingham city fan hates Villa scores and just in front of the crowd just love just he's soaking up the hatred you love to see it. Yeah. I like Troy deeney. He's just big centre-forward called the pace called the power. It's a good Finish By the time he's just bundled over the line kind of thing. But was he celebrating a little too much possibly because there was a substitution in the 56 million that changed this game. What was that Douglas Louise came on for Villa and quite frankly. I'm going to win this game today. So he scores a goal 68th minute good finish good finish Lucas. You'd be happy about this one. He's a hole in the Box. Yes, you would use it in the Box could finish slots at home. One one scenes at Villa Park for him Lucas isn't impressed. Why would not be impressed Lucas doesn't score many goals. Which wow Lucas you Lucas. I'm calling you out right now. I scored more goals and you yeah, you should I'm fat but at the very end, the game goes on the game goes on Villar getting more and more possession more and more chances what 14 to be sitting further back. They will talk about pressure but chances are coming and right the very end 95th minute Tyrone Ming's the big man powerhouses it in back of the net to one Villa. Huge Point. Yeah Asif. I tune it in the last few minutes to see that go. Laughs. Yeah. Yeah, but the the coaching staff going now. Yes, honestly, it was great for them. They should be like, this is a massive game. I'm yeah huge huge amount of stress for both clubs and getting a result like this means that your little more safer than you were the day before no and any Victory like its massive. It's especially over someone right down beside you. Yeah, exactly. So I mean if we look at the table They're want for 19th now down in 20 30 points and Villa out of the relegation Zone 25 points. It's a great escape still on for Wofford. Yes, because they have the man you believe I do believe I think so. I think Wofford have decent players and you just perform and they need to step up to survive this season for Villa. There's a huge result of they can now stay out of the bottom three, you know, they have Jack real - who could potentially just keep them up? They signed a new Striker some mocked. I think he played for ganker Ghent. You never know. He could be some of the problem with a handful of goals save their season could be but no Tyrone Ming's is a good Defender. I think he's someone that they can rely on the back. I don't hate Villa. I don't I think Miller. All right. Yeah. I hope you don't hate he do concede a lot of goals. You can see the future many goals. You know, what's next Liam. Let's go pal Southampton. Sure. That works for me. Well this I work for you. I mean we can talk about it quickly. Yeah, so quickly is a huge result. I mean, I don't have too much to say about Sunil times over Palace. Yeah Gold's from mr. Nathan Rabin and Stewart Armstrong's you sure Armstrong's goal is to showing Southampton how good they are. Did you see either these goals? Look us I think is Armstrong's bangers. Both are absolute bangers outside the box big hits. I mean, I think I saw Armstrong's goal and I thought like I thought Names gonna be happy Stuart. It's got nice hair. I don't know. I'm not really surprised of them to know this high up in the table. I thought the manager I always believed they had a good manager Hassan who everyone is written 9th. Everyone was writing them off on their in the relegation Zone earlier the seasons. Here's the thing is it's very simple. When you lose nine mil your Club can just disintegrate but players can lose their mentality. They can lose any gumption. They have they they can't fight but they've turned it. And they've been able to get back on track it back to their playstyle get back to who they want to be and the credit to all the for all credit to the manager. No, but when results like that happen, sometimes that jump-starts players and yams like that. They don't embarrass us because I think I mean, I think more of the change happened after the international break. I read somewhere that a Southampton they change their system back to what they use last season after November. I think it was more of a I don't know. I think it's like four triple to or I guess it's like a 4-4-2 shape but it's a little has some variant. Yeah, but there's a great there's great pieces in the squad. Now, there's some players that are more of the hard workers. Maybe not the most talented players ever but there's some good player Jonah James ward-prowse really good player. But yeah, yes, there's some like good system players in this team right now. Shane Long seems like he's one of those Danny things even though you Start much rested this game. Yeah, I do like old a theme or with Amy. Yeah. I remember watching him a few seasons ago and sing sing some promise from him and he's only 19. So it was vestergaard in Stevens. You have to centre-backs who have Premier League experience, you know, they know what to do, but not great, but then what to do, but first for Crystal Palace as a huge loss room, so there they started off the season very very well. They have dropped off of the past few weeks. Though what you remember a Chris Kamara? Yes, and he's like a van soccer some yes, whatever. That was. Yes. He had another one apparently with my with Michael obafemi. Okay. He mistaken him for obafemi Martins fair enough Chris Kamara desert Chris Kamara. Does Chris Kamara? What happened? I don't know Jeff speed a red card. I don't know that he got slipped off. I thought it was me. I You shouldn't have that was a great because a great clip but for Palace, you know, they are not performing the bass. I mean that's them down now to 11:00 Tuesday when Manchester City they've risen sixth a head full of weeks ago. Would you ever expect Crystal pass to be in say no because Roy Hodgson is our manager that I surprised her even in the top half of the table. So give them credit. Yes. I am I'm saying the result is a game. But Southampton have been better in microwave reform is a huge loss for Southampton. Yes, ma'am tonight. Has six wins away from home, that's pretty good. That's fantastic for a team. We good did that just come out of your brain? It's just so sad that manly Greg. So if your brain, What can you want to talk about next Lucas? I really want to talk about Lester versus most hats because this does involve the top 40 minutes, but also the relegation battle is because West Ham they're in danger again. I like this game though because it's a team that you don't wouldn't expect to be so high in the standings and it's a team you wouldn't expect to be low so low in us and I really enjoyed this match to it was not too bad. Yeah. I watched most of it. Yeah Lester we're looking very good in the first half. They were up to nil on Polly. Had a few more. Yeah, there they create several chances where I don't care. There's sometimes where do you notice? They just either Madison or Barnes they eat it. They try to dummy the ball. Yes, but then like it doesn't go anywhere near the player. I feel like they do that so often I think they almost hard to overcomplicate the scenario and try to look really really good which I mean I say 8 or 10 times it comes off for them or they look fantastic but there's times where is like, hey, what are you doing? Keep it simple? Yeah get the ball. All working forward you have a fantastic finisher Jamie vardy and Madison and barns and everyone else around you just finish the play unlike a Manchester United Lester have some great offensive fullbacks do and they get involved in the place. So well, I love Pereira I do to I've been card. Oh, yeah. I've been saying this for a while on the best right backs in the world Benja. Well, I okay I think Pereira da it's been one of the best in the Premier League this season 100% I agree like it's attacking work, right? Fantastic defensively has a pace to get back. He's just he's just seems to be a full package right back right now. Yeah, he has some weaknesses defensively but it's not bad compared to others the current the modern-day fullback doesn't care. What defending Lucas we're just all out attack. I mean if I mean if you can produce what he did today with a great goal and it's a great finish by Absol back just corny every game. It was a banger though. He hit that. There was a Venom behind her. So I'm going to finish this either. Okay man have a hit son. He did. Yeah, yeah, whoo nil, but halftime, you know David Moyes is like okay need to make some changes. Okay. Oh my God and West tab. So yeah, they took off Snodgrass was injured and they take off mass waku and they bring on Antonio and who was the other guy? Yeah, Braun McHale Antonio and Pablo from now has yeah. So Antonio Antonio, he goes up top. He's a he's a btech. Version of a damaged Rory he's a big man as well. I see differences, but I'm saying physically Locus he's a big man. He is big but you didn't he is pick but the front to they went to affront to with Antonio and Hilaire it actually works because hollers good Antonio's good together. They become pretty decent. How do you go from good and good to pretty early Until you leave thank you. Just went down like 6 and 6 out of 10 come together. We're an 8 out of 10 We Beat Bobby what you said before? It's like good+ good equals decent pretty decent. I think decent below good. I don't know. This is all over the place, but they're both above average income in a more above average again it however with the right surrounding is way better than average get off your high horse. Keep talk about the game. I'm close. Look at Frankfurt last season talk about again. No bad as what I mean. Yes, thank you Greg. I mean in the first minute on 22 gets a great chance to soar. But then indeed he makes a mistake takes down take style are oh, yeah. It was all our and it's a penalty for West Ham the back in the game. He took him down where the ball was going away from goal. There was no need to make a challenge is a stupid play. But yes, he goes through them and it is a pound a shot for West Ham and Noble makes it 2-1 our Noble down the middle cool calm collected. From what some they started pressured a little bit more. Yeah, but without pressure opened up chances for them for for Leicester City to be going to counter-attack and go through with a big talking point Lucas you missed it. Hmm, Jamie vardy. Oh, well that was in the first half. Yeah, you missed it. You could imagine this it I'm sorry, or did I miss I think we all missed it. I didn't miss I'm going to Marty goes to clear the ball with his left foot out of the box and upon. Cannonball he immediately grabs his left hamstring and he goes down. It does not look good for Jamie of already his parties put on hold Liam, you've had hamstring injuries in the past, right? I believe so. Yes, I have yes. So what's the pain like when you initially get that? I don't know if I've done like the full Hampshire he has I've definitely pulled my hamstring it hurts a lot. But I mean, you know, it's one of those things that you feel all I do is run it off. All right. Feel him just get you know get on with it. But no you just you lose your your hamstring. You can't move, you know, and like how's the recovery process just time? You can't you can't really do much about he's gonna rest it. So you're pretty much just laying that on your bed sure. This is coming from because I know he's been injured medical diagnosis. I've never had a hamstring injury like that before that's unfortunate. So I wanted a perspective of the amateur footballer. I mean, I don't think I've don't mature season a much much much below amateur football amateur footballer. I would consider like league for England. That's my Semi-Pro. Shut up. Shut up. No, but VAR D could be out for a considerable amount of time because usually hamstrings are about a month to two months injury. So does this really affect? Clusters attack or will they be okay with them with in actual going up top? It depends how I think it's how the players around my thinking nacho fits nessus and quite well, I think he showed it in this match where he got into good spaces. You didn't quite get his shots off a cliff on a few occasions, but he definitely he definitely has that intuition of where the right place to be and I think if the luster players around him are creating quick movements and great passes. I think they'll be fine, especially with DDP seemingly back now. Yeah, I think I think the thing is not how I see it though is already did so well for them early. Yeah, he got them in a spot where they can yeah, just try and hold it. I don't think he nachos going to replace varieties goalscoring form because I've already been brilliant this year, but he nachos not a bad guy to have up front. He did. He's a decent goals cluster shows a good team. It's not just party. Yeah party. I hungry. No, I think unless you I'll be okay moving forward. They need to just keep up the momentum and they need to keep on getting results. Especially against teams below them like West Ham now West Ham though. Hmm. Are you worried about them going down? Yes. I mean, there aren't 17th. They are tied with a born with in Watford on 23 points. I have said before I don't think say it again Westheimer definitely contenders to go down because I don't David Moyes is the man and let's look, I don't think they'll go down. Well, let's look at their next upcoming schedule in the primarily tough fixtures own thing. Yeah. So in the Premier League, they play Liverpool on Wednesday next Wednesday, they play Brighton at home. So that's probably a must-win match. Did you know Greg West Ham is the only team Liverpool have not beaten this season in the Premier League because they have played him yet. So yeah. Yeah, then they play Manchester City won first time beat you twice then I'm gonna be in bed. Rescind have to luckily. It's on a Wednesday. So I won't be having to talk about it or talk about it. But yeah Manchester City then they play Liverpool for a second time and Southampton Arsenal wolves Spurs Chelsea's a tougher on and that's that's all the way to the beginning of April tough tougher on the dirt there and it sounds good Jules do it though. I don't think so. I think West Ham will be a team. That was definitely right around relegation. I'm really bored. Days, I'm really worried about West Ham honestly, and I picked predicted them to be around really on mid-table. I think mine was a bit more than table. The thing is that they have good players. They had all the right players there midfields week their Midfield slow Noble and rice. You can be what you can work hard. But if you're very slow, you're gonna get killed in the Premier League or any League. Really? I just don't think David Moyes is the right guy data to a point, especially when you are so close to relegation. I just don't think he's the guy how disastrous would that be for West Ham with that big stadium that is a disaster in the first place. Yeah. The London stadium has been absolutely Just terrible moment for West they left the bull and ground to be this. Yeah, we become a big Club in the future. That's why they want into that new stadium. But since they've left its things have been down crowd. Yeah, and if they get relegated with that stadium and they get relegated with that fan base with that with I guess the amount of money they've spent in past years, but you use his yeah, you've seen clubs. You'll go down the chat like West Brom like full-on like, you know, Swansea QPR Cardiff Darby or big Huddersfield Stoke bigger team. I think this is different than those. I West Ham has bigger probably they are. Yeah, but just imagine the championship watching Championship matches with the London Stadium with like 20,000 people in it. Yeah, I don't know how many people are in the matches nowadays. But yeah, it's more. I think the more I look at is the players are not going to stick around. You're going to lose a lot of your key key players. It's who's gonna play in the championship not Declan hurry, and we know how West fans but what stem fans have been in the past like remember when they've invaded the pitch took those? Yeah, we're flying and stuck it in the middle. Yeah, they had issues with their owners have had issues with play players and then managers. I think I found it funny like a slob on Village is currently top of the championship. He's gonna come up and go down. I should never have sex live on Billy's a great manager for them. He was he was good for the first season for sure good. I like slav on plus. He had Dimitri payet he kind of helped. All right theft. All right. So there's one more match left. I think yes. The Lester game does n41. We never did say that the last two goals, but you'll see Paris had a brace in them. Just dropped like you'll see. Yes for one now. There's a couple games remaining to talk about let's talk about Tottenham Norwich City. Yeah, it tends to 1 for spuds great. Give your analysis. I missed the first half. I'll let the second half Norwich were pretty good and Spurs were spuds Spurs were spuds Spurs were bad Delhi Ali does open the scoring 38 minutes in but is cancelled by a team of poke penalty and 70th minute. Yeah and hung Min seong rescues. All Points such a scrap Eagle spuds. It was just it was R so lucky the fact that they were able to even with him Spurs get the results first get the win Norwich of harshly probably should have gone a point but they miss out on that to agree with that Greg Norwich definitely should have gotten point from but I think more than the result in the game. I want to talk about Jose Mourinho. Because I saw one pundits say he's a failed manager at Spurs already. Let me know summer transfer window II agree. I don't think I'm sorry. I'm sorry for jumping the gun. I don't think he is. But this is what the the pundits said. He said, who is this punt? I don't know who it was or just someone and doesn't matter. This is the BBC. It's all I know. He said Mourinho has sacrificed a play style that Spurs Apache no had instilled to get results, but now he's not getting results and he has no place now. So what does he have? He has nothing I mean, Three first versus playstyle 1 watt Regina was here. This season was not great at all and it wasn't entirely paci knows fault, but I don't know. I thought I can't really comment on how Spurs are playing because I haven't really paid to close attention to them in the recent matches. I know there's some promising things in the beginning but obviously that seems like a tailed off. I don't think Marine is a failed manager of sparrows makes it he hasn't had a full treasure. He's a summer transfer window. He soon still his playstyle. His players plus I don't think is Squad is great. I still got Christian Eriksen. There's a pool there who they brought on just you could tell he did not want to play. He's there. He's forcing him move through the probably Inter Milan, but no, I just I don't I look at that Spurs lineup and I don't I don't know if they're top six lineup. I mean, they're very well off right now and carry Winx. They have some injury they of course, they have some injury either. The big injury is Harry Kane upfront awesome sandal belly and I'm Bella sissoko. Yeah, but I heard a little salsa was good. Plus also was very he was born probably one of the better players and they had get some front-end. It's come on again. None belly was on the bench probably didn't want to risk, you know, he's been getting quite a few injuries and that's mostly probably because the club is rushing him back from him to quickly which is stupid in my opinion. If tires still just gets the ball and then just passes it backwards. I'll never try and make a forward pass that was that was Jordan Henderson handful of years ago that last season now, he's a probably class Midfield probably go to an English Player of the Year award. Oh English player of the then he really wasn't that did he? I'm pretty sure you only one thing was clear that they're going to say like the Premier League player of the year. I'm like hold your horses manager. That's that's gonna go Saudi oil money or de bruyne Kevin don't give the kettle boring. I mean, he's fantastic. This is which I guess is some are we already going on? I mean, I mean, there's not much to talk about this a bit of a snooze Fest artist. I mean grope didn't sleep through it. I'm very tired. He chose not to watch the first half. I wasn't home, you know, you chose not to expose my lies here Greg, but yes, let's move on to the final Premier League matches happen. Manchester City victory over Sheffield. Well Lucas you forgot about I'm pretty big match. I watched a match but it wasn't that memorable night wasn't the arms. I was not that memorable. It was memorable about it Gabrielle Jesus mrs. A penalty. No, I mean that was pretty man Henderson. I mean, he was pretty good. He was missing I'd say it's great. I think he made like three or four or five saves up. I'm like, holy crap. It kept them in the game for sure. I thought like kind of ER to Sheffield's previous match I thought they did well like initially to keep pressure on City and there and there and there defensive Zone was couldn't finish all they can really create any chances. I know Manchester City, especially in the first half before they got the penalty. They were Miss placing passes. So awesome popular very slow. I'm like, this is a Pep Guardiola side. They usually are smooth crisp, but there's so many chances something's off. Jesus does missed that penalty it is Third and missed in the last six penalties is taken now just do see peps comments. What do you say? He said he thinks our new penalty takers gonna be Edison because he says in training Edison is our most clinical penalty taker. He'll take our handle these dude. That's so banter. I think he's obviously joking. I don't know if he is did did you guys see the Henderson on the lawful? Yeah. Yes that needs to be retail. Probably. Should I get it? It's just inconceivable. Consistent because they would do that in another game all I don't see the primarily I'm not a hundred percent sure of what they do. I know with players running into the box the rule is as far as I was aware of the rule is the lines went on the line though the back line if he he has to flag for it for VAR to look at. Yeah, because I think they said in the beginning of the Premier League season because at the Women's World Cup, they used more for that so often and it was really annoying and apparently said we won't do it. Well let the officials on the field. So the official doesn't see it or he doesn't call it. Well, then they don't look at it, which is a bit dumb. I'm okay. I'm okay with it it and to be fair. It was a crap penalty either way. So obviously it wasn't even if he was on the line. I think would have been saved most likely between Henderson had a great has had a great year so far at Sheffield, he's course. He is a Manchester United player. He something that maybe they look at next season. Yeah, but David has been and Sir Kim Sergio agüero. So another guy out of retail car. Get out of jail free card. You struggle with that sentence you struggle the last year last week as well. I don't know what to do. Maybe my English is not great Lucas horse man important here - but yes, Kevin De bruyne doesn't Kevin De bruyne does an excellent ball across the face of the goal and Sergio Aguero therefore a very simple tap in he's not missing those yes. Mr. I won't say the phrase again, but for his the one he was just said get out of jail free card. Yes. He is. He's like iutah song In Tulsa, you play agüero on you what he will score your goal. Yeah. He's a clinical strikes in his firm recently like drill 12 goals in the last six matches are some very good good. Yes, I gets incredible ease. He always seems like he has a bad relationship with Pep Guardiola. There's always like one occasion the season where there's kind of some things going off, but then like he comes and just score so many goals for the club. I think he's one of the best of all time in the Premier League water really is one of the best of all time the Premier League, I think human again Pepco Guardiola or all they love each other but sometimes they respect each other, you know, so it's probably one of those love-hate relationships, but if if you're playing for a manager that is that great and demanding. Yeah, and you're one of the most talented players in the world. It's going to work out. Yeah for Manchester City fans. Like it's going to be a sad day when Sergio Aguero is no longer the guy he is now there's talk of him leaving in the summer. I don't think that's a thing but that's that'd be a bad idea. Learn if he stops for Miami, why is it always must get to Miami? I love it. Like let's say he's probably supposedly one side to him and David Silva the same time like it's pretty awesome and City. All right, let's do it. He is contract and bring Johnstone's next you might actually be okay the MLS might that's what we do Laporte is Laporte was back. He is chicken meatballs. He's back give him power. Big man Laporte you just he brings so much help that I don't we just blow it more solidity. I think I think Manchester City. They put a 3 back in this match with stuffily. I think that wasn't an accident. Obviously, I think I don't know. Well God guys because I suffer. Guys guys, I can't change it what's going on? Like I just I can't click pause and change formation. Or any didn't have a bicycle kick attempt in this match, which ultimately yeah, but there's a great player. So what I was trying to say before I just made that dumb comment because I think last time they played Sheffield United it was a different formation. I think and with Laporte back, I guess they want to solidify more defensively which were sent and prevent chances and they did a good job in that. I think there were there were a few times or Sheffield had a really good chance. You should only have one shot One goal. Yeah, but there's like few chances where they had the ball in the Box it ready to go and they just couldn't get it. Yeah, there's one more primarily game. It has not yet happened wolves host Liverpool. This is gonna be a good game PLS 1 Liverpool to be a good game, but great match at the mall in you I see Liverpool edging this one here. We have three two. What was what was the score but we beat Manchester United to nail know it was one nail when with that but they did score a goal walls. But and then the second half really was yeah, you just we defended we didn't really need to go. We just defended wall wolves missed many chances walk towards the end. Yeah, so it's going to be a tough game for a little pools are a great team and I look forward to this match and I look forward to the challenge. I hope wolves gives us a good match and hopefully we're up for it. Yeah. Hopefully you can raise your levels you had a good mid week or in a good weekend match a good result. There's no wolves have been good. Are good against yeah teams. Yeah, and hopefully we can win keep that momentum going into Shrewsbury spray. Yes Lucas. Yes Shrewsbury. Now, there was no other domestic leagues this week. We got some Cup matches. We have Copa del Rey go through these quickly because we've been no. No, I'm just not going through any other way except one Lucas. Okay, let's pick that. Let's be real here. There's only one to talk about. I mean an interesting one for sure. Yes. Anna almost lost to Ibiza. If you are not aware Ibiza is a tiny island off the coast of Spain there in the third division of Spanish football. It's just a party island you go to Ibiza for a weekend and you you come back still drunk kind of thing. That's okay though. So Barcelona go away there. Maybe they were a little drunk. We don't know but nine minutes in pep. Kebaya scores to put the hosts in front scenes at Ibiza. Scenes the game goes for an hour. Nothing happening from Barcelona. They've done absolutely jack shit for an hour 72nd minute. Finally Antoine Griezmann goes. Hey, I'm a 100 million euro pleasure. I'm going to score against these guys who are in the third division. He looks like he'd be someone working in Ibiza. Yeah. He really does. He looks like a pool boy. I got to be honest, but he makes it 1 1 and finally at the very very end. And 94th minute he scores again to win the match to be third person approach regarding a penalty just before that. It was yes is probably got pushed in the Reps like ah, I wouldn't give him he'll D. Give I beat it the point. Let's go corruption have a replay but be that goes to the new camp, but there's a point in this match were I'd be that had well Barcelona had 80% possession one shot and I beat the had five shots 20% possession. I be there were right in this game and it's not like Barcelona had a fully rotate his head. Yes, they had a little bit but they have a long way. They had two young. They had racket tips. They had Griezmann playing. I can't the third division side just show like they probably watched they rely on messy brought on Jordi Alba Arthur and Arturo Vidal. These are players that they did not want to have to play this game. They're like guys let's rest ourselves coming back to La Liga not hey, we gotta win a game because a third division party. Tell Mike it's it's great. But those same time you're like what the hell is going on? The Barcelona see one thing that concerns me is I read Colin Miller who wrote a book about reality set in the severe a rivalry. So he knows quite a bit about the Barcelona manager because he was Batiste manager hears. He said some things here August 2018 Real Betis 78% possession Levante 22 result three. No Levante. Yeah in April twenty nineteen again against Levante 72% possession for batis Levante ones. Fornell procession is indeed everything happy positive. Its motion to what we said earlier you have to Actually do something when you have the ball. He says hold on to ya like he said you can you can have total control the ball but zero control of the game. Yeah hundred percent there for large portion of the match Barcelona didn't really have control of the match. You can have five percent five percent possession and win the match won now go on go get a corner and knock it in there you go dub games over another interesting result in Copa del Rey real Valladolid team that we saw here in Edmonton. Oh, yeah. They lost a Tenerife. I mean 10 recent his second race also a Party City. So Party Island, you'll have to see The Tenerife goal when they win it 2-1 over it. Congratulation Elite and Bill Baga pushed to penalties by El Che yes. Yeah Real Madrid goes to get a 3-1 victory over has pronounce. This one right here Union is toss de Salamanca. Good job. Mucho gracias Señor. Yeah and Valencia got a narrow Victory not much else to say another couple door right there how they is kind of more similar to The Epic up now. Yeah. There's no to at least from what I know for the most of the German. There's no two-legged Affairs anymore. Okay, and it's just one leg but all these things so lets you back Friday for the they could not go to the new camp will not be a great to play a game with a new camp. Like you're a third division title. Yeah. I'm going to use like the hot tub and I'm gonna I'm gonna take my full time to enjoy the amenities at my service like the round before didn't have the top four teams in Spain. Okay, so just gonna buy a kind of thing. Yeah, and then the top four teams played against Were definitely played against the worst teams out where like worse division sides. So it was kind of fixed in that way, but it almost caused some great upsets almost did there's a parcel of it goes out the round of 32 that you mental like, maybe the Copa del Rey will have magic like that fake updated in the yes hundred percent. Let's do a little bit of a transfer around because there was a few moves care about the no no, I do not Lucas. All right, we have to start with I mean, Bayern Munich No, but we're not going to talk about them or know who those matches. What is there to talk about a Coppa Italia? Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah, I was actually big matches Roma 3-1 Ronaldo scored. Okay, and Napoli played lot seal 1K and Napoli 1 1 nil. So Liam last year lost a but wasn't in Syria, but basically basically now we all know. Liam doesn't like glass will come up clutching and see if they can see shouldn't they should not beat like Liverpool and now lot seal, but that's you also blow it again seems they should win. Ah, I don't know about that. But there's two red cards in this match scenes Heist has his saws. You got a red card in the 19th minute and Lucas Leiva. I got a red card in the 25th minute. So they played ten on ten for most isolated Lucas Leiva. I don't know part of this will end probably there's a lot of like Miss chances Post in this match, but somehow ended one now, but it's okay that end in one meal for Napoli. What was the event is result 3-1 against Rome. I think that's a understandable result bouffant scored an own goal. Poof on the buffoon and tomorrow or who is interplay interplay Fiorentina next Wednesday in the cup. Yeah and Milan play Torino. Next Tuesday. Authors games are not easy. Fiorentina have not been great this year, but you never liked no upset. It's all just top do you think yeah. Yeah, I think event is play the winner of meal and Torino, but that event has our say someone be pretty cool. Let's move on to transfers. Yes. Good Bayern Munich sign someone what do you think about this transfer and let's and say what it is. Don't tell me what to do. Okay, don't do it. Then realize just sit here read me this challenge because I thought you had it with you. What was his name? I don't know how to pronounce his name old three years old. I believes. Yeah. He said that he signed on loan from or is a transfer alone. I thought it was a full transfer all he want to Bayern Munich. Yes, we know so much about football. Do we not Oh, I thought you had it prepared and I guess I got sidelined by we're talking about Coppola. How do you actually do you know happened? It's a loan. They loaned him. Okay. Yeah, he's a right back. He's right back from Real Madrid. Apparently, he's pretty good offensively but kind of weak defensively. So well, the thing is you just Bayern Munich need Defenders right now. Yeah, they need that they are back line is thinner than I don't think they were going to be thinking that they had to play Alfonso Davies I left back like all the time, you know, he was supposed to so that they could slowly ease into the 11, but he's playing so lonely place. Oh, no, nothing taken away from him. But like he also has tick-tock. Alfonso follow us off on door from your own City represent. But yeah, so he signs on Long trends of the season. It's good to have another depth player on death row is good have another Defender available for Bayern Munich because they need him but then again the rumors are still going around about Jerome Boateng leaving. Wish I could see happening. Also remember from Sky Germany buying interested in signing up Americano. I'm not shocked by that a lot of things. We want Bayern Munich supposedly are not going to I still have continued the end of his loan really hasn't been good enough for them. But I'll be interesting summer in Barcelona will be will he end up also rumors willing Jose has asked to leave real sociedad and to join Tottenham. I don't know if that's true or not. But so she dad wants at least 50 million euros for the player. That's a lot. That's a lot supposedly according to Sky Sports Manchester United are going to offer 30 million for Jude Bellingham if they're not going to hurt him probably not. He's a 16 year old from Birmingham city these four calls for them. What the hell are you? He's played 28 minutes. No or the 2028 matches. Thanks clean match, I would have just four goals and 68th minute 30 million why they're not even willing to pay that a lot from nowhere near this club is on joke. Also Danny almost there's been rumors about him going to new club. There's AC Milan Leipzig and wolves rumored. Where would you like him to go? Wolves wolves would be cool. Not a seam on what but lipstick. Live start good right now, so Crystal Palace have signed a gym 18 year old Scott Banks from Dundee United so you could see that's not terrible, but I don't know if he's a gem. It's not the worst anything else. Let's take a quick look here. Let like that Liverpool have become top favorites to sign team of earner and the summer if he decides to leave Leipzig I mean, it's a good choice for you guys. I mean if he plays look at light like he did at Leipzig. I want to not mind that he not last season but this is not a lot of what season he scored. He was good, but he wasn't I thought he was overrated now. I'm looking like a fool. Yes. That's okay Gareth Bale's agent has ruled out a loan to Spurs. He says loans are stupid. Basically basically what it's called when he goes no one can afford his Lon we all want a loan. He's not having cologne loans are also dead according to the keep West Hammer in children reciting Dimitri payet bring him back boys. You can save the season but I want to talk about Cavani just quickly like it's really end up. Apparently a lot of problem is a big problem is his wages. You want gets a lot of money place for PSG. Yeah, like here from the telegraph Edinson Cavani pursued reaches standoff with Paris Saint-Germain over twelve point six million pound valuation. Where do you think you'll end up? I honestly think it's because I think he's going to stay. I don't think it really I don't think I'm gonna let him go because I know it seems up probably are interested Chelsea United Barcelona a fellow called Madrid get home. Yeah sobbing rumored and I thought from the tread were interested earlier this month, but they're not much has happened from that yet Atlético Madrid could really use him because they need another goal scorer else you could use them. But he's also apparently asking for a really long contract. I think yours those teams want to do that and he's 33 right now I'm in Chelsea already went through their Saga with Ego iene. It didn't really work out a little bit older strike the vanes Turning 33 in February. Do you want to have given that long of a conqueror argument one this possibly two-year contract. Yeah, but is he knock wood he goes until good. He's a good player. He's a good goal scorer or is it time for him to go to Miami? Like know everyone's gonna go to bloody my own. No, I think you should stay in here. I think he has a few more years to give Chelsea could be a big Chelsea but good one. They don't want kelsier or Atlético. It's that seems like a signing old Chelsea would make it does but again can I don't know maybe maybe Abraham can learn something off of a veteran gold school. I think I thought a Common Thread is the best but probably they could barely afford his wages the only wait and see what happens anything else or I think that's pretty much it on for longer than I thought whoever much longer always goes, right. Always was supposed to be a quick midweek round up, but I always like let's talk for 13 hours, but Manchester United. I don't always happen. It does happen. You pretty much if you do enjoy this episode. Make sure you are subscribed hit like comment down below get involved in the conversations. We have had today. Make sure you're following us on social media links are in the description or Tick Tock Instagram Twitter or Facebook. That's that everything links are down below but for myself Liam from Lucas Greg and was thank you for tuning in. Thank you for watching and listening. This has been yet another we can A game see you next time.

On this episode of The 90th Minute, Liam, Lucas and Greg discuss the midweek's matches from the Premier League! This includes the odd match between Chelsea and Arsenal, Manchester United disappointing match against Burnley, the relegation battle and more! We also discuss the party in Ibiza where Barcelona was pushed to the brink, and we discuss some transfer rumors too! Chelsea vs Arsenal - 0:45 Manchester United vs Burnley - 16:50 Everton vs Newcastile - 33:15 Bournemouth vs Brighton - 40:07 Aston Villa vs Watford - 43:35 Crystal Palace vs Southampton - 46:31 Leicester City vs West Ham - 50:30 Spurs vs Norwich - 1:01:25 Sheffield Utd. vs Man City - 1:05:10 Wolves vs Liverpool Preview - 1:10:55 Barca/Ibiza and Coppa Italia - 1:12:00 Transfers - 1:18:45 Check out our last podcast discussing Liverpool defeating Manchester United, Chelsea losing to Newcastle, hat trick hero Haaland and more - https://anchor.fm/the-90th-minute/episodes/Manchester-United-CANT-Stop-Liverpool--Chelsea-Lose-To-Newcastle--Haalands-Incredible-Debut--more--The-90th-Minute-Episode-123-ea9uls Check out the creator of the intro tune: https://www.instagram.com/musictorri/ 90th Minute Socials: TikTok: @the90thminute Instagram: @the90thminuteofficial Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuutXBflA9m-4AahbzMNU8Q Twitter: @The90thMinute1 Facebook: The 90th Minute LinkedIn: The 90th Minute Liam Twitter: @LiamPeace7 Woz Twitter: @itswoz96 Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/itswoz Lucas Twitter: @LucasCreated Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKvJ62LDqb3uhQaqOzkkqVg Greg Twitter: Doesn't Exist

Hey folks. Well, it's been a little over a year since we started this week in game segment on the deconstructor at fund podcast. And since that time we've used a bunch of different services and tools to help us manage the podcast from time to time. We do get questions about the type of services and tools that we use and so let me talk to you about one of the tools that we use which is Anchor and anchor is a really easy way to sort of make and distribute your podcast. It's free. There's a bunch of creation tools that allow you to record and Edit the podcast and anchor will basically the main value is it will distribute your podcast for you, so it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and bunch of other services and it can also be used to help you make money by creating ads like this one with no minimum listenership. So if you are interested in making a podcast, definitely suggest that you check out incre you can download the free incre app or go to incurred on FM to get started. Thanks. Happy New Year, and welcome to this week in games. Your hosts are as always myself Mishka can't cough and Joseph Kim. We're also joined by our favorite or one of our favorites, mr. Air Crest principal and gossamer Consulting and today in our first episode for 2019. We are talking about predictions for 2019 most importantly or more accurately. We're looking at other people's predictions and seeing how accurate they are before we come up with our own predictions. Now as always leave a comment, please do subscribe and most importantly do enjoy Hey everybody. Welcome to Twig 19 here in 2019. Happy New Year to everyone before we jump in. Just wanted to ask you guys Michigan and Eric. How was your New Year's and I know we got a lot of material to cover. So probably just discover real real briefly. Yeah. I mean dude. I II think I fell asleep. I'd like 10 p.m. We just we just returned from from from overseas and everything and we're you know, it wasn't a party. That's what I'm saying I'm saying. I'm lame that's that's basically what I'm saying. So I hope Eric had a much better New Year's Eve. Well, I have two kids so but this is the second year in which we all stayed up till midnight and suffered the next day because of it, but it's really fun to hang out with the kids till midnight. It's kind of a new thing but it was good all good grass JK. Yeah for me. I didn't do anything and I also didn't stay up. But I did see some of your vacation pictures, Michigan, which look pretty Epic so that looked like you had an awesome time there. Yeah, it was it was good. It was good. We are so depressing we can't do this small talk of talking about our New Year's where nothing literally happened like one fell asleep by the to hung out with their kids. It's just like this is not given it a good stuff. So yeah. Yeah, let's talk about that. We're not partying anymore. So maybe we could kick it off with Mishka and talk. About some of the deconstructor fun upcoming predictions articles. Yeah. Yeah. So before we start reviewing the predictions or making the predictions on the predictions, we're actually working on predictions on deconstruction of fun site. So or the blog and we did we did some last year as well. We the way the way we do our predictions is a little bit more database. So what we do is we basically divide the market into genres categories and subcategories. And this is something we we work with game refinery. To create and then we pull the data from the top 500 grossing games from about last three years and categorize them or not categorize will basically put them into those into that Texana me and that allows us to go through the development of each not only to each other but each category as well as each each subcategory and based on this historical data, we're making predictions and last year. We didn't have this amount of data. We had the normal sensor Tower data. Which we didn't really break down into into too deep of a subcategory were broken down into categories and I have to say we were kind of we were quite accurate despite the lack of lack of such a detailed data. So for example, we did talk about Pete games really solidifying themselves as the third largest puzzle game company and they have done that they have they have grown the most in the puzzle category out of the large players. We talked about Jam cities. We structured that Will was in our predictions going to happen and you know towards the end of the year sadly enough it did happen and it did affect quite significantly tinyco which we kind of, you know, predicted based on the data. We had we talked about Township overthrowing Heyday as as the number one simulation game that happened last year. We're talking about EA, you know sun setting some of their simulation games basically saying that the Sims mobile will not fair. As well and we required quite right there. And and yeah, so a lot of right ones but a lot of wrong ones too. We were pretty bald on the messenger games which was you know, it hasn't flown in as as it has as it as it was supposed to and one of the most interesting pieces that we're now going through the data and we'll come in with with the with the blog post soon is the simulation game. So traditionally those crafting games like hey days and townships and SimCity and Sims we come. I predicted that that is sort of has been category kind of like a cow. If you will in the way that it's you know, it's just a cash cow and there's nothing new coming in. There's just old games but that category has been actually growing significantly with games like Klondike. If you haven't played you should check it out. But you know hustle Castle is another one and it's just really Ferring extremely well and and another another couple of ones that we really fail I shouldn't talk about too much of a failure. But another one was was definitely the Empires and puzzles. So we talked about that game declining due to a lot of copycats and direct competition comment its way and boy, were we wrong? Yeah, they they put the pedal on the metal and then they kind of left everybody in the dust which is really interesting too to kind of, you know, take a step back and realize why that happened and how gaming Market is different because normally when you have a competition and you have a you know, a good product and a lot of you No, similar products come in like let's say Android phones, you know, it kind of levels it down like Samsung is not the big at because of Huawei and these, you know, whatever whatever phones they are, but in mobile games seems to be different. It's like once you hit that growth you really hit that growth and it doesn't matter who comes in whether they have a better product in terms of how it looks how it plays how it loads the IP. It does not matter if you're the first one in your able to to seize the market you're going to run with it. And then final one was we were predicting super Celtic cancel cancel brawl stars, and and I'm actually really really happy that they didn't I was playing the game lasts, you know today and and I'm just happy that they lost this game because it's fun. It is a fun game. It's always been a fun game. And and that's the only prediction that I'm really happy that we got wrong. So that's that's that's me kind of like buffing the upcoming post. It's going to be amazing, but you know, we'll talk about that. Later. Great, so no preview on what the predictions you have for this year or you're going to hold preview no preview the but they're going to be the only previewed I'm going to give is that they're going to be extremely accurate. I mean, I mean, I mean it's like they're they're they're golden. So so we have actually a lot of a lot of a lot of folks who have written previously on the instructor fun writing their predictions. So it's going to be it's going to be interesting. It's not only you know, Adam and I like Last time or atom in the Neil and then when you know, we were only few writing last year, but this time around it's a it's a it's a nice group everybody riding everybody commenting. So hopefully it kind of dilutes those, you know, strong opinions and were able to be more accurate. Yeah. I think it's great that you, you know providing a lot more data context. I mean just kind of and we'll talk about it later. But one of the things that I noticed from a lot of these predictions is that they're just completely like out of batak. You know I'm saying like I people just making predictions without any data context at all. What so great to see that but yeah, maybe we can jump right into some of the predictions themselves Eric. You want to kick it off? Yeah. Sure. I just one caveat here is the fact sure how lazy are we that we have to comment on other people's predictions rather than making predictions on our own just we are making its English. Just coming up with his leaders. Okay? All right. Opposite of lazy we're saying that we're going to so the thing is like we're gonna get everybody their shot before we come in with the real thing. So our My article is from Super data Juiced vendor and runin or whatever. His name is I've spoken to him a couple of times and been on panels with him for the last couple years and really nice guy and he basically does this top 10 trends for 19 and what he does in a cheeky way doesn't take themselves so seriously, but what's really interesting about juices he has a He kind of unique perspective because he has a proprietary data set of digital sales and what I like about his predictions is that kind of you know, they hit the big trends that I'm kind of seeing for next year and what I'm trying to track for, you know, the big Publishers for my hedge fund clients. So anyway the first one and then there's ten right so we'll try to run through these pretty quickly as possible. So the first thing is cloud games emerges a new frontier and brings about unlikely Partnerships. I think this is a reasonably safe. Prediction, you know clear it's clear that cloud gaming will be a product this year most likely from Google and maybe Microsoft this year, you know, I continue to believe that we are in the very early Innings here and it may get some Traction in terms of trial but I think conversion is going to be a big challenge, you know somewhere to what the challenges that Sony's having with their with their offering so that's the first one. Yeah, maybe I could just chime in or we could chime in as well after each prediction, but I kind of agree with you that it's a safe prediction. Ian at least the first part, right and in terms of cloud gaming emerging as New Frontier, we certainly covered Microsoft X cloud and Google project stream and previous podcast and have noted that it's definitely going to be a big push in 2019. So it's kind of a big initiative that the second part of his particular prediction though. That's the part that I'm not quite certain about in terms of what are these unlikely Partnerships and one that he references in particular is, you know tencent and Google in China. You know that Certainly cloud gaming. It's a big initiative. A lot of big companies are trying to push it and we'll see in 2019, but the unlikely Partnerships part is just the part that I don't understand. All right, the next one is players win as the PC game Market breaks into pieces. Now. This is obviously a reference to Epic and other store fronts coming up. You know, I'm not sure I agree with this one valve has kind of been dominant in the Lindy's but not AAA for a quite a while, you know Publishers been kind of going on their own EA Activision Ubisoft. And this is actually likely kept pressing up for AAA. Right as they don't get much price competition if they're running on their own service. Yeah. And again, I don't think the cost savings are necessarily going to Consumer but likely going to the publisher. So if they do get it twelve percent versus a 30% commission charged for the platform. I don't know. How much is that actually is going to go to the consumer? Yeah. They made me We better for consumers, but I don't know. I don't think so and and fundamentally, I just don't think there's much an incremental change to the PC market by these new entrants and maybe I'm just old school or something, but it's more like a market share move potential for for some of these games to other services outside of the valve. I do think valve is someone in trouble in their dominant position, but I don't know how it actually incrementally changes or as a better for players per se. Yeah, I agree with you on that valve and certainly in the short. ERM I think there will be some additional fragmentation the valves kind of in trouble both from here and from the cloud gaming services, but I think longer term for me. It'll come down to Content. Right? Like it just depends on where the key content creators are going to go. So again, I go exclusive on different platforms and I think that fragmentation can can can happen and continue to exist but otherwise, you know, generally speaking I think you know, this is this this is a market that like other markets like so You know, it's kind of a winner-takes-all sort of sort of Market to some degree so I can also sing, you know, seeing seeing consolidation in the long term as well. Yeah, and my only comment on this was was basically they're saying but the break into pieces good for the consumer and I kind of I kind of disagree because because you know as these different platforms will try to keep on to their players or to their you know, their payers. Let's put it this way. They will Implement different kind of of subscription services and that will kind of limit your ability or you know, some people's ability to be To be the other members of several stores and and that kind of you know, well basically it will it will lock people to specific stores and that will limit the amount of games who are able to play and then we're kind of end up in a situation of like PS3 and Xbox that kind of thing. So one game Uncharted comes on PS3 and or PS4 and then your own able to play because you'd have different device. So that's kind of like my worried that that will happen with this one. Interesting Okay, the third prediction was that walled Gardens will be broken down enabling cross-platform play with anyone anywhere. Actually repeat something I probably said already in the podcast historically, you know, call me old-school, but I'm not sure if this is as big a driver. It seems to others your console games will always be better on Console because they're built for controls and playing on a big screen while mobile games work better with mobile because they're built for small touchscreens pretty fundamental in my view. But you know, obviously there's a few games that work cross-platform like Fortnight, you know, Hearthstone Minecraft some degree, but You can see it is that in a streaming world in the far future, you know development of these new cross-platform experiences will help adoption of those type of services, but I don't know if I believe that the existing console mobile and PC franchises really need dedicated resources to build caught found cross platform capabilities. I think more custom development for a future in which cloud gaming is the reality is probably more where the big Publishers at least should focus there. investment Yeah from my perspective. I think that there's you know, there's a strong value proposition with respect to cross platform, especially when you're talking about multiplayer games that are sensitive to CCU and where you know higher levels of CC you are just you know a lot better for the game. But I agree with you Eric on the point like with respect to cross play across devices meaning like console PC relative to like mobile. I think that there seems To be just a over generalization in the industry from Fortnight. So probably drawing a little bit too much of a trend from that single data point. But yeah II certainly hope that there will be more cross-platform at least between consoles consoles and PC. But yeah what we'll see how that plays out Mishka. Yeah. This is cross cross play and cross-platform is again and talks. I remember back in the days, you know working on Facebook Games Social Facebook games and everybody was talking about cross-platform how we're going to do, you know beyond on PC. We're going to be on mobile and everything is going to work perfectly and maybe at a console there and and you know, nothing really happened. I think that's just because just it's because building a good game is really really really difficult. And now if you add the fact that you have to build a good game that will be good game on multiple different platform you basically exponentially you make it exponentially more difficult and expensive. Actually more expensive and harder to produce. So what we're seeing kind of right now is that that you know Fortnight is if I'm correct for tonight is when you're playing for tonight on mobile, you're not playing against players who play it on Console or PC? So, so essentially it's not really a cross-platform it you kind of, you know, you're that you have the same account you make progress there, but you're not really playing it cross-platform. So it's not real cross-platform and I just I feel like this is again something that is really juicy. Because it you know, it opens up one game for multiple platform that makes potentially increase your revenues looking for tonight. But in the sense, that's that's the only example and that's not really a cross-platform game. Another one would be of course hard Stone, which I think is a real cross-platform game. Anyway vainglory the game by Super Evil megacorp is going full plan cross-platform. I believe they're launching on console and on PC the mobile game that they've made so so, you know, we'll see what happens. And you will follow closely what what's going on there, but I would say that you know, I just I just don't think I mean making game on one platform is difficult enough. That's that's my opinion. Yeah, Miss guy. I think the way the algorithm works from from what I've read is that if you have a cross platform team, you play a different cross platform team, but if you have a single platform team You'll Play the same platform team or something something like that. Got it. Got it. Yeah, so I'm not a I'm not a bigger for time. So I'm not a fortnight player. Let's put it this way. I'm not can't say I'm not big because I don't play it. So thank you for for for getting the other details. All right, the the fourth prediction he has subscriptions and bundles content will drive sales in 1900 actually totally disagree on this one. You know, I know that Publishers are continue to struggle to make this work, you know, Microsoft isn't unique position to create a subscription service because they own their own content and their own. But I have not seen, you know other big AAA companies clamoring to join their service. There's rumors that the Publishers are not bully signing up with Google because with technology and business model issues, I continue to believe you know, the Publishers business models cannot really support these deep discounts on new games that were required for subscription Services, you know, I think it will choir unique content built for these platforms to draw audiences both for casual core. But ultimately, The Publishers are going to protect their existing business models while investigating development for maybe for these new subscription platforms. And so I think they'll continue to support with catalog and and not Frontline titles. I think just it makes it really tough particularly in 19 in this early stages of subscription to really kind of Drive sales as he's is he suggesting so just kind of disagree with this one? Yeah, I agree with you in the sense that you know, I'm not sure that it drives sales but it does feel like more companies will try. This you know Nintendo for example rumored to be doing something along these lines. But yeah, it feels like this is something where there's going to be more effort but not necessarily leading to you know, driving significant amount of sales. Great. All right, the fifth one is video games will face more and new regulation with a focus on kids. Well, I think this is inevitable, you know gaming actually it's kind of been off the radar for a while given kind of what I think is the Soul generation is so core that it's more adult related so that it just has not gotten as much scrutiny as during the time with the Wii and which you know tons of kids were playing mobile continues to get scrutiny because that's a lot were the younger players are but now that Fortnight is such a big phenomenon. It's definitely you know in the discussion and how it's a damage to Youth and Society Etc. But to some degree the u.s. Kind of has his hands full with the social media Giants, you know Google Facebook. Google so I gaming is kind of been out of the crosshairs for a bit. But that will that will change, you know, you know quick rant here. You know, I everyone is kind of using these loot boxes and skate as Escape boat for bad monetization to design and you know, the mimicking of gambling cetera, which I totally agree with, you know, Loop watches are kind of egregious from this perspective, but for and I can't get a pass, you know, I mean isn't there mechanic this is addicting, you know for kids and adults, you know, like you buy a pass allows you to unlock the new things every day. If you can't spend the time you can spend the money for the rewards. Meanwhile, you can buy new things every day, you know, as it refreshes at five o'clock at the shop, you know, I watched my 11 year old son loses frickin mind every time the store changes in newest skins axes emotes Etc come up. He's addicted to Fortnight is a 65 year old lady in the slot machines in Reno, you know, and maybe this is a testimony to my bad parenting perhaps but you know when you start throwing stones at these monetization models, you know, Maybe mobilize against all free-to-play design, you know, and I don't think anyone really is that innocent in the free-to-play business in terms of their predatory monetization practices. I mean, they build these games to be addictive right and then they build the systems to make them addictive too young and old people, you know, so anyway, that's my little quick rant. And so when they come after the gaming space, they're not going to go after you know, these like obscure, you know, small games are going to come after things like Fortnight. So, you know, be careful these Pundants that are going after these loot box stuff, you know, it's a slippery slope when they're going to go after all these, you know, free-to-play monetization design. Yeah, and I think in terms of this prediction, it seems like it's already happening. So it's kind of a safe prediction to some degree with, you know, there's there's already stuff happening along the lines of like gdpr and I think it's pronounced kaeru or car or whatever that is in terms of the advertising and so and with respect to Fortnight, I think there's there's been a lot of criticism around Fortnight, but At least it doesn't seem like anything has really kind of broken through with respect to anything. That's big that's going to happen specifically with Fortnight. But you know to your point Eric, I do think that you know, ultimately I feel like parents do need to take more responsibility and not you know, sort of look to governments to raise their kids. So I do think there's there's sort of some, you know personal responsibility from that many to exist alongside of that the regulation and things like that that are happening. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean China has been ahead with this one. I mean, they're kind of you know ration and fastened in the decision. So they just totally bounded but I think then they open up the store again for new games, but they were very harsh in it. And and the thing is like there's two sides to this and just like Eric pointed out is like I totally understand it from the other consumers perspective is you know, we want we want something that is fair something that had that, you know, you know what you're paying for and something that is not as Addictive like that element should be that addictive as as the as the core gameplay, you know, you're not buying a game because it has a tremendous gotcha mechanic, you're buying the game for the game. But at the same time you have the you have the developer the publisher side and then the goddamn Battle of cpi's ltvs. And the and the CPI is it cost increasing because the ltvs are increasing and and with that we just need we just eat more and more mechanics where we push the envelope on monetization and the fact is the ARB. House of today are just multiplied of what they were five years ago and then even even a year or two ago. So so that kind of you know pushes the developers to to to work on these elements were gone the gotcha mechanics work on the monetization. So, you know, if I was kind of thinking like, you know, one of the one of the predictions your you have here later on is about the platform and bend and kind of games leaving the platform. So so maybe the platform should should take a lead on this and spend part of the the cost parted part of that. 30% on on hiring lobbyists to to push it to the other direction. Maybe that's the the added value they can have but you know, I understand both the sides. All right, the sixth one is further consolidation is imminent for the games industry. Well, this is another safe one. I think you know the amount of viable m&a candidate is getting smaller and smaller as kind of a VC Investments of kind of dried up over the last couple of years my big prediction, which is a bit of a 180 from the last time we spoke about Zynga is that they may not stay independent for very long primarily because this acquisition of small giant we were so big they're out of Rose, right. So they're basically are operating on what they're going to operate on for a while. Maybe it will maybe it'll do some other small Acquisitions, but this is it so maybe a good time to look for a buyer, but that could happen the next couple of years, but you know, but maybe maybe actually even as soon as 2019 nice I like the the prediction on the sub prediction on the bridging with me. But yeah, you know, I think with this prediction in terms of further. Obligation, yeah, you know it's been happening and kind of agree with it that the part that I didn't quite understand was his specific prediction also about Amazon buying GameStop, you know, so, you know, he's probably from my understanding kind of extrapolating from Whole Foods, but you know, when I think about that specifically you know for me Whole Foods is a completely different Beast it, you know serves as a last mile sort of point of distribution against a product category. That's that's Evergreen because people won't ever stop having to eat physical Distribution on dis that's kind of you know in its last or almost last generation. And in my opinion Gang Stop is a dog and doesn't make any sense. So that specific sub prediction in terms of Amazon buying GameStop that part I think is totally false. Yeah and this consolidation. It's almost coming in a little bit late because you know, they've been they've been rumored about this for a couple of A couple of years I've been but hearing about the nuclear winter. It's like it's you know, either you're growing or you're getting eaten and and we are you know, finally seeing this prediction coming to life like we've seen a lot of sort of a top midsize developers being picked up by by by the bigger players. And of course, the thing that I think has been pretty hungry now, so small giant Graham games and you know before that Jam City grab the tinyco plate take a grab Wooga. What's the play Fish the sea? Little developer by artistic rat and we fish big fish. Yeah play fish was the one the EA grabbed like eight years ago. So but that was that was a previous cycle of consolidation. So I think I think Eric is right. It's just a matter of time till the the big ones are being picked up. So Zynga, of course, one of the big ones that that is rumored to be a target of acquisition. So we'll see what happens. Alright, the next one is the you know, the coming winter brings the slowdown in growth and possibly in revenue and Innovation. So speaking from the console perspective, you know, it seems pretty clear that transition is upon us based upon some of the declines. We saw on FIFA Madden assassins called Duty NBA 2K in 18 all kind of had softer years than kind of expected Hardware was exceptionally strong though in 18, which is kind of a opposite indicator. Probably driven by Fortnight, right? So as people realize that playing on the mobile devices suck they're asking their parents for a console for a Christmas. We saw a big uptick particularly on PlayStation 4 and holiday, the biggest problem is that there's no big titles coming out in nineteen to comp Red Dead red was a huge title this year kind of I think it out actually outpaced Call of Duty and next year. We just don't have that kind of big game, you know, but as is out some of these other big They're just not coming. So as And this is but this is exactly what happens during the transition is that people kind of shoot all their wad on on these big games and there's just nothing left to come out. Meanwhile, they're kind of focusing on next-gen development. And so they just don't have as have many games coming out. So I do expect a big gear down next year in terms of hardware and software. Also, we have a terrible Nintendo comp, you know switches going to not going to do nearly as well as next year as in nineteen is a didn't 18, so it's going to be a rough year. But I think it's just part of the transition. I don't know if it's anything else besides that on the mobile front. I'm actually shocked at how strong Mobile Market has continued to be as we saw the strategy genre got decimated. But machine zone is in the toilet supercells kind of in the toilet as well relative to you know their heights, but other genres are just coming up RPG and and simulation and particularly puzzle. So I expect the out. Probably the mobile business will be fine next year, but the consul business is going to have a tough time. Right, you know for me personally, I'm a little unhappy with this prediction. And because I just feel like when you talk about a coming winter, what does that specifically mean? And then he's talking more about a sort of slow down in growth, you know, and sure slowdown in growth is not hard to believe but you know if I just feel like there should have been a better definition in terms of what's what's happening here. But so so not much comment on you know on. On a prediction that I was hoping would have been a little bit better to find. Yeah, and I just have to agree with Eric. It's just mobile. Yeah, all the numbers on mobile are pointing pointing up even they would the the Old Guard kind of changing and that's that's the part of a prediction we did last year is kind of like even with strategy we kind of thought that would machine Zone going down. Everybody will go down. But nope that even even that category grew with the puzzle grew in it and the old ones like simulation categories are are growing so double-digit growth overall in Mobile and I Back the same to continue this year as well. The next prediction which I would prefer to ignore is live streamers and in floors influencers embark on a drama binge. I think you know, I think he's suggesting that ninja expands his brand by creating a WWE style drama to his feeds. I mean, can you shoot me now? Please watch any more of this guy with more boxing? Seriously. I mean the prediction itself kind of makes sense, right like live streaming is now somewhat mature kind of competitive so finding new ways to Attention through dramas sort of make sense, but you know, not much other comment from you besides that. Yeah, and and you know, I try to follow the streaming a little bit more closer. I'm just very curious about the streamers as a growth Channel and especially especially the brawl starts case is kind of like it feels like they really used influencers as as a key growth channel for them and especially with their launch. So so I think I think there's you know, I can't say there's something to it because there's definitely a lot to it, but I expect the market of Dreamers to organize more itself. So we have services like match made and others that are that are doing this and then organizing it in a more way that that companies can use them because it's still a little bit of a wild west if you want to work with a famous streamer. It's basically, you know quarter million up front and you'll get a cool video and a lot of use and so so what then so I think it's just going to it's going to move to to be more more tracked more more more metrics based. Yeah, I mean, let me be clear here. I mean Ninja was a huge thing for excuse me was a huge thing for Call of Duty black out when it came out. He was there day one during the beta and was playing the game and that it shot up interest in that game dramatically. I mean they're going to have their impact. I this this drama thing is what kind of irritates me. I mean, I don't think my children can watch any more of this nonsense, you know, not to take off YouTube off my iTunes and everywhere else and like house if this going to continue anyway moving on enough My bad, parenting Electronic Arts takes a hit in 2019. Now this is really interesting because they've taken an absolutely massive hit in 18, so I don't know exactly what he's talking about 419, you know, they got annihilated the stock is down like almost 50% So is Activision and frankly, I think Activision isn't upper shaping 19. And so this is kind of my business. So this is you know close to me but you know Activision basically has nothing this year. I mean they have a you know, Call of Duty game from the B team at Infinity Ward on the flip side. I think EA has actually a much better line up in 19. So I think he's off a year. I'm not really quite sure exactly what he's seeing Fourier, but they've already taken a hit. They are going to take another hit by the you know, by the end of this fiscal. Maybe that's what he's talking about, but I think next year is much better for you. Yeah, and for me, I don't have a strong opinion on this. I just wish there was sort of a better articulation and more rationale behind behind the prediction. But otherwise don't have any, you know, any any any other thoughts. I mean, I don't follow Electronic Arts or activation as a whole I'm more of on their mobile side, but but definitely on the mobile side EA has been trailing behind quite significantly and and the last two games that they launched. In 2018. I think they have been pretty much a disappointments like Sims mobile and and command & Conquer. I don't think they are faring as well as the company wished. So yeah, I mean totally there's no one at the helm right now. Like they have no one leading the charge they've lost their key, you know management personnel and now it's back up to one of the senior execs that's in charge of like things like BioWare right Which is far more of a strategic importance to them. I say a I continually say this and I'm going to say it again. I really honestly don't think the CEO gives a crap about mobile and and it's kind of evident in the type of people that they're doing and how they're managing that business. It's just an addendum to the rest of what they're doing. So I'll continue to believe that the next one and then final one is GameStop cells, but it's not a party we talked about this a little bit but you know this could happen, you know, there's a lot of rumors the stock was up like 15% the other day because of Is that the Pease private Equity firms are coming after them? I got you know from a value perspective. I don't get it, you know as an investor like I'm sure you can make the numbers work on paper, but their terminal value is almost zero, right? The use game sales is like continues to deteriorate as digital continues to be adopted and that's how they make the profits right the can't really survive without use game sales. And this trend is just going to get worse as you know, the next gen consoles are going to be, you know, see. Ste 70% digital out of the box, right? And you know, there's Amazon rumor which you alluded to last time make sense. But you know if they really want to increase their footprint of small stores in the US sure that makes sense. But GameStop doesn't own any real estate. They're just leasing or renting these places. So why would an Amazon just pick up the ones that they want rather than you know, picking up the entire network of stores, so I don't know II think GameStop is ultimately doomed and there's they're going to have to start closing stores, but they are you know by divesting some of their assets particularly in the mobile space. They are making themselves a much cleaner company to be bought. Right? So I do agree with that. But but I don't know if there's gonna be any buyers ultimately. Yeah, I agree with you Eric. I think I think this is I think game stop selling it all is going to be super difficult and then the Amazon speculation. Came up again here. We just look at how you know how much like it coming. Like Sears has been struggling to get sold and you know, it's been very difficult for them and GameStop again has a two-fold struggle because not only are they being dissed intermediated from Amazon which you know is happening to both Sears and GameStop. But GameStop is also struggling against, you know, dying product category on top of what you alluded to which is like the the used used video games Market is sort of going away with digital so I think games It will be a massive struggle to sell and even if they do it's going to be you know, super tough sledding because they're likely going to have to just completely re-envision the kind of company. They are are they going to be like a you know, digital lifestyle company or something. I mean, it's going to have to be something different than what they are today. And with that, I think we're all done with that article, right? Yeah, we're all good. Okay, so moving to the next article we've got limited time here. So we're going to have to kind of jump through this stuff pretty quickly. But the next article is mobile game insiders predict. The biggest trends of 2019 and this was published by a pleven and in this article. They asked a number of mobile game industry folks about their 2019 predictions. So let's break those down one by one. The first prediction was by Sebastian Borgia. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly who is the CEO of picks out and he makes three predictions predictions first. He's predicting fewer more massive hits. So basically that players will be spending more time on a smaller number of titles such as Fortnight Roblox Clash Royale Etc. His second prediction is he predicts Discovery will play a smaller role in an environment that favors IP in this is specifically with respect to mobile and finally that crypto gaming breaks through in 2019 and my quick take on this is you know one I really wish that there were, you know, just similar to what Michigan is going to be doing with it deconstructive fun predictions provide a little more data, right? So like if we're predicting, you know fewer more massive hits, you know, it would have been nice to show like sort of top ten grossing Revenue concentration for the past few years. See the trends things like that. And so to some degree, you know, I am a little bit disappointed with some of these In the sense that it would be nice to have more data. But I also think that you know this kind of swings one way or the other based on, you know, big title. So, you know, if you know certainly a game like Fortnight which is, you know, drawing massive amounts of time from from people, you know, if that happens, you know, the I think the market can swing one way or the other but I think in more, you know sort of recent history we've seen at least on mobile. There was a Anger concentration in top 10 grossing titles and they got a little bit better and I'm not sure what that what the current you know state of the market is with with respect to concentration based upon Fortnight. But yeah, so it would have been nice to see that data his second prediction. I think depends from my perspective working for a Nike company. I hope it's true. But if we're talking from, you know from an installs rather than Revenue perspective certainly hyper casual games. I'm with original Ip dominating that case and finally his last prediction. You know, I haven't seen anything from at least the people I know and seeing stuff in development with respect to crypto and it's been a little bit of it's been a little while since crypto Kitty. So I'm kind of scratching my head on this one with respect to his his crypto prediction. Yeah my quick take I actually did the kind of analysis from sensor Tower data. Is that the top 20 games in the US? Us have gone from 44% in calendar 16 to around 30% So it's actually declined in terms of concentration. Another way to look at it is like the top 10 publisher is represented like 56% of colander 16 and now has 36 percent of total and I think part of this is the fall of the big players like machine Zone and supercell kind of has created numerous opportunities for the smaller developers to make sure games like play tricks on plus epic obviously with With I'm blanking on the name Fortnight and Warner and and Roblox to is also come up a lot too. So it's like he's actually wrong and I don't think that this trend is going to change all that much and I'm not speaking to Japan Korea Etc. But particularly in the US and the Western markets, I would say that he's wrong. The second one is about IP. So, you know, I think Joseph's right, you know, it's kind of a broad. Relation, you know the store is changing and it seems like the established players Publishers have a huge Advantage, you know many big IPS. I've been hearing about Marvel Strike Force this Lord of the Rings game while back there RPG have a really disappointed and download volumes like significantly below expectations and Below what they did done before on the flipside supercell and King's new games are just getting insane amounts of downloads right from from there. Either their player. Work or their efforts and to your point, you know, the hyper guys will games are taking over download and download them like crazy right now. So I know it's a mixed bag with that one as well and though the crypto stuff way too soon here, you know few my old co-workers at Kabam are working on Project like this, but and there's a lot of other things but I'm not aware of any big developer publisher working on these types of games yet, but we will see how that involves that will not be a 19 story though for sure. Okay, the next prediction comes from Nimrod Klinger as senior you a manager from tap tail, and he predicts in 29 what he predicts that 2019 will be the year of hyper casual maturation and convergence. So he expect to see larger and more experienced gaming companies get into hyper casual and expects to see acquisition Acquisitions a smaller companies to get into the space. So again wish wish there were more data to kind of show where the market is and Trends but my take is that Nimrod is one year too late. So, you know, I feel like 2018 was that year of hyper casual maturation and convergent? So it's sort of already happened certainly back in 2017. Just looking at high-level data points. You have like three out of the top 15 games by downloads as hyper casual games and that's already shifted in. T-to, you know 10 of the top 15 for at least the full back half of the Year where we're hypo and Hyper casual games further companies like Voodoo raised a ton of money. I think there is like two hundred million dollars and bigger companies with distribution Advantage like a pleven jumped in and with their publishing unit line Studios. So while I do agree that larger companies are going to try to get into this space, especially, you know companies that are kind of viewing this as an attractive. Of Market from an installs perspective. You got to think this is a super difficult problem and it will be you know, very difficult for new players to get any meaningful share here and the other disadvantage for a lot of the bigger companies trying to get in here is that you know, they can't leverage sort of Black Ops from a you a perspective which puts them in a pretty distinct disadvantage. My only comment is this this is the type of thing that's kind of race to zero. So this is one of those Transit Fizzles out pretty I wouldn't Chase my tail on this one, but that's me for the big players, you know for you can make some money in a small way but not not from like a big publisher perspective. That's kind of the Zynga Mantra EA or whoever else I would talk to you on this. Yeah, I agree with with with with JK that this this prediction is like a year late. So, hence, it's not really a predictions like a recollection. But the Casual hyper casual games are making a little less than 200 million dollars on. Average a month in ad Revenue. So it is a quite the sizable Market. It's actually or subcategory. It's actually like I think fourth-largest or third largest in the in casual games overall. So so pretty huge and we have wudu and lion Studios and Miniclip that are already on the top like those those three are the biggest ones and the market is it's not open for that much for new publisher, but it's open for new games so we can constantly see new top 10 games emerging all the time and Essentially, it's really easy to enter but it's but getting but getting more tougher to enter and it's extremely hard to stay on top. And that even that is getting more tougher. So the installs have been on decline overall when we talk about hyper casual game. So the sort of a like the the the rush that happen mid-year and even in the first or the second quarter second quarter has kind of ended where a lot of us smaller developers made their their jump amid core create a couple of games some of them succeeded but they weren't really able to stay on top. And then since then they installed have been in declining but the kind of level often in December and most importantly we're seeing that the market has matured because the biggest player would do they're already moving to other genres as well. So they're not only concentrating on on on these hyper casual launch bro forget or add monetize game, but they're already investing into Into other Studios that are making in-app purchase driven games. So that kind of tells you that they've kind of conquered this Market they have over 10 percent probably 20 percent of monthly revenues and now they're investing into others. So ya got next is Peggy and salts a lead analyst from mobile Groove and Peggy predicts a greater emphasis on machine learning against user acquisition where additional types of data are user behavior is used to get higher performance. He then talks about moving beyond dowse and Mao's to calculate hourly active users and then talks about refined LTV calculations. So my take on this is that the integration of machine learning in you a has already been happening in 2018 and easy, you know, it's pretty easy to say it'll continue in 2019. So I think this prediction is a hundred percent right? I guess the point what I think that one thing That I didn't like about this prediction is that it kind of feels like maybe you know Peggy is not likely a practitioner, but someone just kind of steady things at a high level just based on her comment on downs and nails and you know refined all TV. So it's sort of no fence that these aren't the sort of Frontier types of analysis or research that's happening right now. And I think a big part of machine learning is, you know, being able to take you know, whatever signals 300 different signals and see sort of what happened. So I do think that the high-level Action is right. But you know, I think it would have been nice if this prediction would have gone a little bit deeper and to provide specific, you know, sort of application areas and examples. yeah, you guys have any thoughts on this this is this difficult since since we don't work in and user acquisition, but I feel like she's talking like I read what she was talking about and then feel like she's and referring to user level data and programmatic mediation which have been, you know, kind of like the focus and then the future in use our position especially in Ad Revenue so with the user level later data, I mean you guys know what it means but it's essentially data that that will trigger or actions that will trigger based on players reaching certain truck targets or doing certain things and game and and you know the you a costs and then you I decisions will be made on that automatically and the programmatic mediation is basically just a more sophisticated waterfall of ads with multiple line items. So so this is Of them ad monetization approach and how they're using machine learning in that and it naturally triggers quickly back to to do user acquisition because you know ad monetization user acquisition kind of go hand in hand. Since one is Supply. The other one is demand plus with the effect of of LTV. But yeah, I'm not sure there wasn't a ton of detail that the she was saying is basically machine learning and that's kind of like covers it all. Yeah, I got an opinion here. Next is neat Barker a Biz Dev manager from calibri games and it predicts we are in store for massive number of Battle Royale copycats and trying to play the trend of taking traditional PC and console Games to free to play so my take on this is that this is likely right in terms of Battle Royale. I think that this trend continues in the sense that we're going to continue to see people take shots at this. And then I think he's other particular prediction with respect to trying to take PC console to mobile via free to play. I think that's also right in terms of like the attempt right like they tempt to kind of do that. But yeah, that's that's all I have on that. Yeah for my purse. I mean last I counted there was like almost 30 Battle Royale games out there in one form or another it seems like there's room for about three right Pub G rules of survival and for night kind of geographic. Quickly locked as well. 9,000 is having Japan. What's that? Oh, yeah. What is out? Yeah knives I forgot times out. Right? I forgot to put that on there Activision is having challenges with Call of Duty. It's not getting as much traction, you know, EA couldn't get their shit together with Battlefield. So that's coming on April so easily and then you know you have Survived way what is it? Survival Royale Garena Darwin project H1Z1 calling ring of Elysium. So there's a ton of them out there. I just don't know if there's enough room or an audience for it. I mean, these are built upon big audiences and if you don't have a big audience and the interest it's gonna be really tough to get any traction, you know, the free-to-play on consoles actually really interesting. These systems are not really set up to do that. Even Microsoft and Sony although they've gotten better. But that is it is kind of a risk is that We get a bunch of like double a single a type free to play games that take away mind share from the big Publishers and the big games like FIFA mad and Etc. We'll see. I mean, there's good. I think there can be a lot of attempts whether or not they'll get traction with the you know, the core gaming audience on Console. That's another thing but that is an interesting Trend that should continue in 19 and 20. Yeah, overall the whole battle reality. It's just like it's not a healthy competition. And in a way what I mean by that it starts to remind that sort of a the ages of MMO when when everybody was trying to create a follow-up or some something that could take a piece out of World of Warcraft revenues or the MOBA race where everybody was trying to make a MOBA that could compete with League of Legends and they were thinking they were looking at their numbers like well if we can get 20% we're good and nobody was really able unless we're talking about those that had unique access to to cheap players. Valve, I mean it fail anyway, so so the way I see this Punchy and Fortnight are phenomena, it's there's no other way to put it and why it's really so hard to compete against them is not only because they're phenomena, but because they're playing the the pricing game the ARP down those those are extremely low just the same way as as the ARP taoism League of Legends and DOTA is were extremely low. So it's almost impossible to to enter now because It's not only your fighting against against the competitors with such a vast amount of data that they're able to price themselves really low, but you are also battling ever-growing switching cost Eric as you were saying your kid is, you know going bananas with all these skins that are coming out. So the switching cost is constantly going higher as you know, as he's getting more and more of those skins. So I just it's not it's not really a market you can come in and compete though. They have been some smaller mobas that that have Fair. Well enough for a very small developer to do well, but you know, it's nobody's getting the Fortnight money not even half of it. Not even a quarter of it. So right next is Eric Seifert from mobile Dev Namo who has two predictions for the first hyper casual hits a saturation point and plateaus. And secondly, we will see companies Spring up to facilitate off App Store distribution, and I think in particular he's probably Referencing What epic is doing? So agree with Eric super on his first prediction. We've already kind of covered that and with respect to the second, you know epic has already announced intent for for that one, but I'll disagree that I don't think many others besides epic make a move here. Mmm, basically because no one else has a fortnight and a user base like they do so I think it would be pretty crazy to try and do that. I was I was thinking, you know you when you when you mention that I was thinking like in super so take its games out of Play Store. Would it mean they have pretty pretty good user base. They have a lot of Revenue and they have they have their portfolio. They've been investing like crazy and all the other developers so they can take them with them. So and plus every developer wants to work with supercell almost everybody but you know, they could do it. That's your I think I would believe that a little bit more if they were actually publishing doing like I don't know she was all but a totally different organization, but you would put your game to The SuperStore would you I actually liked that name if you're so yeah big games basketball teams. Boom. I have it. Next is Farhan haq who heads you a at? NAB it he's got two predictions one users will get sick of hyper casual. Although I would I wish you'd be a little bit more specific about what that actually means in the number two that 2019 will be the year for more narrative games blending other mechanics such as puzzle or RPG for me. Not a lot to say here besides that I agree on both think this is already happening and a lot in development and various places, I think. You know implies a little higher cost of development, but I think there's a market for these style games not tapped. Not really fully been tapped in the west. So yeah, there are a lot of people working on this sort of thing. Okay. Next is shreyas rajagopal on a VP of marketing and revenue from Green Panda games. His prediction is at casual add Focus games will shift include IAP and subscription. So with this one I actually don't necessarily agree with this it's you know, basically because it's just really hard to convert free players to be paid player. So while it's easy to say, hey, let's just increase the revenue mix, you know free works for a reason and so I think this One's going to be pretty agreed. Good luck. You made your dirty little advertising bed. Now, you're stuck. Sorry. Okay, and finally, our final prediction is from Karem alemdar, a you a manager for gram games. He predicts a shift of mobile inventory to be more black box where campaigns are Auto optimized with less visibility and control this shifts Focus to creative processes and areas to optimize and so I think Karem Has right on with this prediction Google UAC is largely there on the Facebook side, you know machine learning based bidding Alder algorithms are increasingly performing better with broad-based targeting. We're seeing that on the Facebook side as well. So yeah creative or other areas will gain competitive Advantage moving forward and I think what we're also going to see which he does not allude to is that user acquisition teams are probably going to start to get smaller. And so there's going to probably be a structural reorganization across you a teams. In the longer term. Yeah, not my expertise at all. But I keep hearing that uh becoming more and more automated and likely will not be as big as a competitive Advantage going forward. That's kind of a consistent system agreeing right? And so that's that's it. You know, I was going to add a bunch of follow-up questions, but given time and Eric, I know you gotta jump so I think for ya for us, I think that we ran our end so we did it and thank you guys for waking up at 6:00. JM to do this, it's a you know, it's a cool for p.m. 7 p.m. Right now no 5 p.m. Here. So so you guys are monsters, but let's let's get Eric out of here. All right. All right. Thank you. Bye. Thank you folks for listening to this episode as always. Please do leave a comment. Please. Do send a node. We I mean, I personally really enjoy getting getting all the all the messages from you truly powerful stuff. And please do rate this podcast And subscribe to It Whatever platform you're using and most importantly please do keep in mind that all the opinions literally all the opinions expressed in this podcast are our own. And do not reflect those of our employers. 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For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by teach stata we say teachers hours each week by bringing them quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms to make your classroom Buzz go to teach stutter.com today on for the love of teaching. I'm talking with Taylor Donnelly who's a young teacher with a very bright future with the support of encouraging School administrators. Taylor has carved out a unique space for herself in her school environment as the specialist.It'll Technologies teacher visiting every class in her huge thousand students cool for 30 minutes a week. Given that Taylor has only been teaching for three years. This is a huge achievement. Welcome tailored to thank you love of teaching it's lovely to see you here at Nova. Thank you. I'm so excited. Thank you for having me. No, we are so excited. You have been one of our long-standing teach starter Ambassador on social media and we've been watching you do some amazing things over the last few years. Thank you, but one of those things that is really makes you a star on social media, is that you Teach digital Technologies to students. So could you just tell us a little bit about your role in your school at the moment? What are you doing right now? Absolutely this year. I am the digital technology specialist. Sorry, I teach 34 classes from year 1 to 6, and they basically sort of like you would go to your music teacher for a music lesson. They come to me for a DigiTech lesson. So I get to see everyone for 30 minutes every week, which is a lot of students. Yeah, how many students in your school? Cool, so I think we've just ticked over to 1000 so using yeah, that's a lot of names to remember. Oh my goodness and they get so mad if you don't remember their names and you're just say, oh honey, what's your name again? And they'll go. Oh, it's this I get so offended. I feel so horrible because I want to remember everyone's names. But so I usually go with the honey or the love or the yeah, Daddy. Yeah. Oh, that's a very that's very clever. Not every school has a digital Technologies specialist teacher your school is very very lucky to have You have yes, how did that come about so I have a massive passion for digital Technologies. I previously I've taught you three for three years. So I was all into e-learning and one-to-one devices and bring your own device and all of that exciting so of ICT capability stuff, so I knew I wanted to move into that direction of digital Technologies being such a buzzword being that everyone has to teach it and report on it next year. So I went to my principal nervous as anything and just said this is what I want to do. Can you make it work and I was so lucky that it got approved. I remember when she came in and told me I screamed I ran laps around my room then profusely apologize for things like I'm professional and thanked her and then screamed and kept running around the room. So it's really really excited. And so how did you propose that to her? What time did you put forward? I booked a meeting. I basically was, you know explaining the value of digital. Veggies and how I could reach all of the students in our school. I proposed a couple of different timetable options for her. And yeah, that was the scariest thing I've done wow. So you did a lot of the groundwork your hand sorry and researched and I sort of was trying to be as confident as I could. Yeah, but yeah nervous as anything and yeah, I was so lucky. I just feel really really supported. That's Graeme. So yeah, it's all about trying new things this year because yeah. It's crazy how much you can do with the subject and then you have these like amazing plans and then it sort of falls short or the the kids are a lot further advanced in something then you assume so it's an absolute Whirlwind. Yeah. I love it. I can just tell ya that's tell the way you light up talking about it. Yeah, and it's so cool that as a young teacher you've carved a space out for yourself within your school. Yeah absolutely have to be assertive. You need to communicate what what goals you have, you know your principles and your deputies and all of those admin teams are there to support you? They can't ignore your drive and your goals so I'm such a goal space person. Like I have to have short-term and long-term goals in place. So I yeah communicated and communicated and then yeah as a really lucky that's fantastic. Yeah you have it sounds like you are a real go-getter. Yeah. Yeah, definitely persevered and it paid off. Yeah, absolutely. Amazing. Yeah. Well done. Now you said that you always did have an interest in information / educational technology. When did that begin? And what do you accredit that to? Well, I think it's just sort of my generation, you know having my high school was you ever had a laptop. So that was sort of just the norm as I was going into University. They just transferred over to the Australian curriculum like the national curriculum. So all of these new sort of things were coming in and things were being trashed and brand new things were coming in. So there was a couple little instances of subjects for icts. I remember doing scratch in one lesson of a tutorial at Uni and I loved it. I'd never done block coding before in the high school I did. I'd like HTML coding so that in websites and whatnot. So I had a little bit of an exposure to that when we were trying electives in high school. But yeah, basically when I discovered scratch at Uni, I was like this is really cool. And then I being that in high school, we used a laptops for everything when I started teaching all of my lessons. I had you know, my Walter my will upon my interactive whiteboard. I had I was constantly using technology to make things easier for me. Why would I print 25 worksheets where I could have it projected one time up on the board and have an engaging activity for it. So I tried to incorporate it because it was sort of the norm and a problem that I was solving as I was going. Yep. But yeah, and then it just grew and grew with the bring your own device. So last year when I was in year three, we were one to one school or and iPads. Yeah, it was sort of like the trial clouding your own device. Yeah, what does one to One school owned mean so for my class of 25 students my school purchased 25 iPads, and they have to leave those at school. Absolutely. Yeah. Yes. So when they came into the classroom they would they all had their own iPad. They were all numbered so they took responsibility of them. Yeah, we had massive discussions about how it's not there. I've had yeah, I can take photos of anything you want and download things unto it. It was purely for learning so they introduced. BYOD this year. Yes are some of our classes are bring-your-own-device. Yeah, the teachers sort of nominated for that. Okay, and we've had teachers take up on it. And so I'm just trying to put on as much professional development for my staff as they will let me yeah, so but unlike master classes for my teaching team. I'll put out an email saying, you know, if you want to know how this works come and see me at this time. How cool yeah, so that's really cool because I love engaging with other Educators and sharing this like, you know better ways of doing things. Things are different ways of doing things. Yeah. Yeah, and there's been a couple of staff meetings that you know, I got to present at so I have found that as a massive compliment as well. So in your time teaching since you graduated from uni, how has stem learning changed? I don't think I think because I'm only at the beginning of my teaching journey, I can't really comment where stem was before I got into it. So basically I can just say that you know, Stem is obviously a massive buzzword at the moment. You say stem and everyone knows what you're talking about for those that don't know what they're talking about science technology engineering mathematics and obviously steam incorporates the Arts as well. Yeah. Sorry. There's a lot of policies that are put in place to get students to be stem literate and have the stem capability. So basically what the curriculum and you know, the big bosses are there what they're trying to do? Do is get all of our Learners to graduate with those literacies in stem? Because that's where the jobs of the future and even the jobs of right now are ya there's a really good quote out there. That's quite controversial. It's from Dell Technologies. And it says 85 percent of the jobs of the future don't exist right now. Now that's that's a massive percentage. So I'm not sure where they get that percentage from but I like the The preface of the quote that there are so many jobs that do that will invent be invented tomorrow or next week or years from now the future. Yeah that these kids need to be ready for so I think incorporating stem and being so cross-disciplinary stem can really hone in on those problem solving is that Innovation the creativity? Yeah, so it's really cool to see it come to life. So yeah, I don't know where it was. Ten years ago. Yeah. Yeah, or if it was there 10 years ago while I was teaching 10 years ago and I'll tell you it was pretty limited and we had B box. Okay and scratch. I don't know if it was invented, but I think that that's come in like more recently than even maybe 10 years. I'd okay into the classroom teachers vocab. Anyway, yeah, perhaps back then digitek teachers knew all this stuff. But yeah, absolutely just to be upskilling and taking on board and doing the PD and stuff. It's come ahead. Leaps and Bounds. Yeah, so it's quite a simple out you supporting us in the past and that kind of thing. Now the the Delk statistic that you just said, yes got me thinking and my job wasn't around 10 years ago. I'd hafta and your job probably being a digital Technologies teacher in in the kind of way that you are probably wasn't around that either. I mean when I think about my it teacher it's called Information Technology. All he did was take us to a classroom and we do Ooh word-processing. Yeah. Well, we'd have to type something that was on a sheet. Yeah, and then printed out at the end Yazzie and funnily enough. Some people think that that's what I do as it did you take teachers are really trying to prove them. Otherwise, it's often a challenge. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So things have come quite a long way, but then like I said, I've got a long way yes out in front of us as well. So and the soft skills that the kids are getting from these lessons and from programming coding using the Technologies. Are going to be applicable in their future job whether that is in the tech industry or not. Absolutely. Yeah, so it's a really good good way to prepare them for learn how to present and they're so ready like my sorrow the youngest year level I teachers you won and they are so on to it. Yeah, so we do basic programming sequencing with the bibot type robots and they are so good at it. They are so good at the problem solving or No, I don't want to do it this way. I want to do it this way to finding that different way. Yes to do. What's in it thinking that stubbornness. I love so much. Yep. No, no that your way is not the best way. This is my way and and explaining that thinking and communicating and trying things testing various. Yeah. It's a really cool. The other Learners are definitely changing them. Yeah ways of learning and yeah just they're inquisitive nature is amazing. Some schools have policies on laptop and device. So I know at the school that I was teaching at where my kids grow now they say roughly 15% of the school work or the learning will be done on the iPad and we're a BYOD and probably 95% of the kids would have their own device. What do you think about the limits? Do you think that there should be a limit as are they reasonable or are they a bit restrictive? I don't really have a firm opinion on the limits. I agree that some people think that kids are spending too much time on. AG being that I was a one-to-one classroom last year my students this year are also one-to-one, but obviously I only get them for 30 minutes a week. I only use the iPads when it's going to enhance learning. So we still do a lot of unplugged activities and as a classroom teacher, I still had bookwork and handwriting lessons and all of that kind of stuff personally as a classroom teacher. I wasn't using the iPads all day every day there were often days that we didn't use them at all. I think. Just up to the classroom teacher. I mean to decide where it's going to be useful. You're not just giving the kid an iPad and saying go and play a game for 20 minutes or I hope you're not doing that where it's going to be Innovative and engaging and and Inspire learning activities that the kids are going to remember and retain. I think the the devices are such a good tool to do that. But yeah some People think that children spend too much time on devices and I totally agree that kids should be playing outside and doing more Hands-On and play-based learning and all of that kind of stuff. So I think it's just but I see value in devices and value in not using devices. Yeah, so it's about balance really absolutely everything things with yeah action and with budgeting a constant consideration and many departments to Resource and staff often. It falls upon classroom teachers to teach digital Technologies to kids. And it's a given in today's classroom that teaches adopter flexibility and willingness to learn alongside their students and to develop their own digital literacy as well as their pupils. Now that teachers have an expectation to I mean, we're all life long Learners. We all know that part of the job is to move with the times and progress. But I know anecdotally that a lot of teachers find it quite daunting to take on board a lot of new teaching at a time. So is it possible for anyone to teach coding or programming or is it something that people need to seek out their own PD formalized PD. Is it something you can look teach yourself with? Like you said the YouTube videos and someone in your school or is it something that needs to be taught? Do they need to go actually do some formal courses? I think anyone could Teach coding no matter what age you are or what year into teaching you are. I absolutely believe that anyone can teach coding. I only spent one tutorial learning scratch in University. And then after that, I've I've taught scratch for three years straight. I've only just gone to my first scratch PD this year a really I've been teaching it for so long, but yeah using YouTube and using so a lot of the apps and programs that are out there for coding have tutorials that are so easy. It tells you exactly what to click and it'll explain things. You can go back to it. They have videos that you can play. There's so many different Avenues to upskill yourself just at home on your laptop. Yeah. I can't even you know learn alongside the kids. I remember my first lesson that I taught on scratch with my year five that three years ago. I put up on the board my Waltz and my wealth my Walter was wait. Learning to move our characters left and right we had 40 minutes in the computer labs will by the end of the 40 minutes. They move left right up down there were talking they were you know, they were changing costumes. They were you're really exceeded the exactly and I had a stage. I've only just at my beginning of my scratch journey and I'm thinking oh my goodness. That was my entire unit that I plan to these kids and we smash it out in our first lesson. Yeah. Sorry, the kids will often surpass you in some coding things. So trying to keep up to date with them. I can be a little bit challenging but I find such value and asking the kids questions to they get such that they get so chuffed over it. For instance. We were using the scratch jr. App which I previous to this year have never used before because in my opinion it's for quite a lower level of coding and I didn't know how to delete a character. You just had to hold it down. It Wiggles you press the X but I didn't know that so someone said, how do you delete the character? And I'm thinking oh my goodness. I have no idea how to delete this. Done. And so you just set it as a challenge, whoever can figure out how to delete delete character, you know, get a super duper or get the name up on the board. I get a class point or something like that. Well, yeah and they're so motivated like Miss Donnelly didn't even know how to do this and I was able to solve the problem. Which yeah, obviously is that going back to those, you know skills and capabilities that we want students to yeah, problem-solving. Yeah and making them the expert in some way. Yeah 100% great actually. We that is I think that's a sign of a great teacher flexible and noticing when there's a teachable moment and how to deal with that is a really the sign of a teacher who has a good grasp on their class move their students and knows their yeah, what motivates them. I think never be afraid to say hold on. I'll just Google it but yes, they need to know that if they don't do something we'll they can Google it to especially when those abstract questions come, you know, they might see a picture of a pyramid they say how many bricks are in that pyramid. Yes, I've got no idea. How many bricks are in that pyramid second. That's the theory lot know everything exactly and I think that is a that's really important skill to know where to seek information. You're a student. It's just a life skill that people need to have now solutely. Yeah. I asked Taylor to give listeners her topics for learning apps which are easy to incorporate into the classroom. Here's what she said loaded question. So I try and use the apps before I go. Show the students how to use the app. So this is just my opinion on what I have found to be quite useful. Yeah, so we're going with five. Yes, please okeydoke ho ho okay. So based on going to combine two together. Okay how sneaky the sorry scratch jr. Is a great way to introduce scratch and block coding. It's not an app, but scratched three on the website is obviously you're extending of scratch jr. So scratch. Definitely. Yeah block coding is a great way to start off coding. They move on to you know, text based coding and stuff like that much later. But block coding is quite easy to get a grasp on. So the bibot app you don't actually have to have the be Bots to use it. It's completely free. I'm a big person for if it's free. Oh, I'll give it a go. I don't like paying for apps so lightly I'm the bibot app is really really good. You don't have to have a bibot attached to it. It's talking about about directional sequencing as so getting I use it with my year one. So getting them to start thinking about giving instructions and the orientation of which way the robots facing I found that to be really really good app. So that's the bibot up. Yeah. I've recently found a new really cute outfits by Fisher-Price again free. It's called learn to code code a pillar. I think it's already learned. I have seen the toys. In the shower. Yes, how cute are again. You don't have to have the matching thing to it. It's a free app. You can use it on its own again sequencing that direction. Yeah goodness. So good and I find that such a massive misconception for young students is once you've programmed a couple of steps you need to, you know, pick the robot up and put it back or the trial and fail at there seem to be so difficult to move past those sort of things if it doesn't work, you need to clear it and have another ghost. So I find that app quite good for that as well. So what would you recommend instead of clearing and starting again? Would you how would you recommend that those students fix that problem? I like to have the students write down their code before they try it. Yeah, and if it's wrong, I don't tell them I get them to find out themselves that it's not wrong. Yep. So then once they work out that the robot has not gone or perform the action that you wanted it to do. We'll go back to and have a look at the code. Yeah card was right. Well, maybe we can put it wrong or something. There's a bug in the code. So - we have to try and find it. So I work with the white boards to fix the code first I can go back and so they have their own personal handheld whiteboard. Yes. I've got class set of the little white board, but also my tables are white board table awesome. So yeah, that's really handy. Awesome. Yes. Okay. I've got two more. I really like the Swift playgrounds up. It's an apple owned app it Canyon work with a myriad of different. Robots, or it can be worked just on its own with graphics. And so you can connect the - the microbe it's all of those exciting things true. So if playgrounds also, I just bought some drones and I can connect the drones to Swift playgrounds as well. But for those people that aren't resource to with robotics, they have a little graphic is super cute and you have to program him to collect, you know, the coin or the star or something like that and then get to the engine. Yeah come and it's talking about text based coding. So it's Off from block coding but it's a really good place to start and it's got the tutorials. It won't let you do the wrong thing too many times. Okay, don't Zone in and help you if it's clear. You're not moving past a levels. Yeah. I find that to be a really good like inbuilt kind of support. Absolutely, which is what you want. Don't lie. And the last one I would probably recommend to give a go. I've only just found it so I can't speak too much about The nitty-gritty of it. Yeah, but friend just showed me the codable app. Okay, actually a program that you can register your students with my understanding is it's free that could be different but my understanding is it's free. Yeah, and you can assign them sort of like an athletic. So you're familiar with Matt. Yes, I described and username. Yes, but you can on Mathletics you can assign different concepts. Okay might want to work with you. I'm a tree. Well, you might only want them to work with baked with basic sequencing. Yep. You might want them to be extending that a different year level or you can have all of your students on a year three level but someone's just not quite ready for it. So you can put them down to a year to level. So yes, so great. Yes. I'm really at the beginning of using that. Yeah, but it looks really good so far. Yeah, I'd be interested to hear what everyone else thinks about that one. 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For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by teach starter. We say teachers hours each week by bringing them quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms to make your classroom. Buzz got to teach stutter.com Need a little motivation on a Monday. Hi, I'm Jill and I'm Ron and we're experienced Primary School teachers. We get it join us for inspiration and encouragement to get you buzzing through the school week. This is the buzz. Hi and welcome back to today's episode of the bars. I'm here with Jill. Hi Braun and Jill is AKA known around teachers data as the sustainability Queen actually, not really. I just gave her that title, but she really is the sustainable take it easy take it easy because I'm always like that could be reused guys. I love those the other side of that or I've learnt so much making notebooks out of scrap paper. I saw those this did you grab one by one you can have one. Thank you. You're welcome. Of the environment and being sustainable in the having a sustainable business as well. You've put a lot of time and effort and thought into the weight each stanza operate as a business and what's really important to us, you know that we want to reduce our carbon footprint and we want teach started to not leave. We want to leave a positive Mark. So we also have our million trees by 2033. We want to plant a million trees to every time a member signs up we plant a tree. So we're working with carbon neutral Fund in. Wh Do that which I absolutely love and we're almost ready to just get them to plan our next 5,000 trees. So we're I'm up to almost up to 25,000 tree so excited. Yeah, I want to go over and like see them. Yeah visit them as I said we can come over but I want to go visit our trees. Yeah put a little plaque or something even then the flights over there kind of cancel that out. Yes, so that's all right, because flights are something that we think about being there. Not just ya love ya how much time we spend? Yeah, but you can buy that extra, you know where you offset it but So we do that through our business so we buy carbon credits to offset if we fly somewhere or something like that would teach data we have carbon credits that we bought for the Amazon rainforest. So yeah, it's this whole system that they have basically you can offset what you're producing by giving back to other businesses and places that are doing really great things. Yeah. That is awesome. So it's a whole thing. Yeah. It's a whole thing. Yeah. It's a whole thing and it is all way of thinking it. Yeah, really change your your whole perspective. Yes working at a business like teach starter where every day we're making changes. Like for example, we have a waste management system in the office, which is really really easy to use but it did require a little bit of education for staff at the beginning and now everybody's on board with that. Yeah. It's one of those things that you can really easily do in your classroom as well. Oh most definitely so we have our recycling we have our soft Plastics recycling because We ate chocolates at teacher we how compost which we use a service which comes in does like commercial composting and we have our landfill and I really feel it's important to call it. Learn Phil. It's not just rubbish its landfill. So everyone knows and that's the one that we aim to have the least amount in and at this is actually quite funny because I do see when we have someone new start and maybe I'm in the kitchen or something. They need to throw something out. Yeah, and they open up in there. The four bins there and I can I can kind of feel a little bit of panic coming back looking at it like oh, I'm sure she's right there. How do we and it popped back? So is it soft and I'm watching yeah just know I'm watching very caring environment. I mean yes appreciative way. I will help you. But if you put in the wrong PIN, I'll go and take it out. That's right. There are some people that are absolute. Aces at recycling and yeah, they are always available to answer questions and I think that in any workplace even schools, there will be people who have who already have an interest in sustainability that you can consult on things like this and you know kids pick this up so fast. Yep, because even my four-year-old is like, you know, so conscious of where he put in what Ben's he put me tell us about is his thing on the beach. Oh my gosh. We went check Christmas and we're walking so I actually really enjoy going to the beach mainly because I love to just like save the rubbish that's gonna end up out there. And so he was walking we walk them down. He's like and all these people around us like turned and looked and he's like microplastics. They were all along that was like all along the beach. It was actually really horrible, but it was every way alone right that he is for that is a big issue. So he's their pit. We're picking them all up. It was like a beanbag had opened and it was all the little things in the van. The polystyrene somewhere. Yeah, so we were picking them all up and he's so dangerous. Oh my God, everyone thinks that's like a crimes being committed as a yes. I'm Margaret exactly. So yeah, like kids really pick up on it and I've seen some schools that are doing amazing things and I would love to get someone in to talk more, you know, maybe we can find someone to interview to sort of bear setup amazing composting systems that the kids manage themselves and they the compost in their school Gardens, then they use those Foods in the canteen. I mean what an amazing system for the kids to learn about and learn of that compost how to do it. But then that in the end you get something that's a cycle. I bet you get it. Yeah just keep and then you get those scraps from that food you've made and it's funny isn't it? But it's something that I think kids need need to experience. Yeah, because and we consciously need to teach them about that because it's yeah things that's been lost. Maybe over a generation of actually, yeah, I'm growing your own produce and understanding where things went from where it's gonna go because and I mean when you said about the landfill been at work even just using that word, it's an emotive word when you might have been you think I actually think where is this going to go? Yeah, and I don't her nose really add the way things are going at the moment. I know it's a bit terrifying where things can go but anywhere, can you can you tell us a bit about how you practice sustainability in your classroom? If you're welcome, when I was teaching it was just really basic things to start off with and then the kids got really into it and they run it themselves then so it was stuff like, you know, whenever we left to go to an assembly or something. Turn the lights off. Yeah. So simple we would turn our block would be the only one that had the lights off everyone else who would have lights and fans going and all sorts of things and we were to and my kids would be like which in turn the lights off, you know, someone runs back and does it but they learn that habit and so they knew You whenever we weren't even if you went to the library the last person out turn the lights off. It was just an automatic reaction for them. I wish to teacher would teach my kids that oh, it's on my gosh. We've got a big house and every light is usually weighs on and my husband and I really stingy so for us, it's more about the electricity bill. Yeah, but we walk around turning lights and fans off and people say I was still using that room. All right. Well you weren't in there nowhere. Do you know what we have it's all automatic. So if you leave and it doesn't sense motion, it turns them off. Fancy, yeah, it's actually pretty good. It's really easy. You can just get them in these little things from like Bunnings. Oh, yeah, but anyway tonight's for another day, but then we don't have any lights going. Yeah, that shouldn't be yet. They'll turn off because yeah, my son will generally leave them on yeah and keep us he can't reach them pretty much. Yeah, which sign and we told you about the patrolling baby here. No. No, the thing is interactive whiteboards like we have a lot of G now in our classroom and their it chews up the power and a lot of schools now have solar panels which is fantastic. That would be great. We didn't at my school. So even you know, we were lucky enough to have air conditioning yet our school, which I know not many do but we were lucky to and my poor kids they knew in our classroom. They knew you had to be breaking a fairly big sweat and some people had to be dizzy before we would put it on like you drink your Frozen water bottles. That's what we had to do kids than 90 / some water. In fact not too much water though because that's wasteful but until the jump off properly. Yes, exactly. But you know, they had to be a few that were yeah sort of getting a bit woozy before I put the egg God that at home too. I know but he's to remember because I was really lucky my school was fully air-conditioned as well Super Lucky, but at the same time there was always one or two kids if you had the are common with their jump on I know they can all be like if there's someone with a jumper on it's going off. Yeah. There's a breeze. The breeze and we can handle this. No when I'm the same at home. We've got solar at home and I'm still like I don't know we could be feeding that back into the grid if we don't put yeah, it was our aircon on it's just a mindset thing. Yeah, it's just thinking about these things that you can just be oblivious to and hoping that hoping that nothing bad happens or you can actually be mindful of these. Yeah making a contribution, but I think it's just, you know conversations with the kids too or I would Model it. So like I said if I we had scrap paper I would turn because I loved I loved a list. I will make daily a list and carry over most of the things from the list before but it's a new list. Yeah the day it's a new day. It's a new life style of a list. But so I would then take the scrap paper and cut it in half and put like one of those Bulldog clips. And that was my I don't need a notebook. I've got those little do that and I even saw actually some of our designers at work. We using our scrap paper because I went through and clean All the scrap paper and stuff and said I did you see my message. I said no more notebook to be bought. Yeah, don't order any more notebooks we have so you can have a recycled notebook that you can't have one. That's got the plastic on the front or the spiral exactly. Why doesn't need to sew but I even saw that they were using the scrap paper on clipboard our designers to like mock up there. That's really drawings and stuff. Yeah idea was this let me congratulate those Carlos Frey Chuckles. Yeah. And he is one of the people on the environmental team at work. Yes employee reference group just for environment teacher. Yes, and Carlos is a driving force in there a long yourself and about probably 10 to 12 other people and and me. Yes, yapping in that group where we try to just find ways that we can cut back wherever we can but I did see actually funnily enough our video this morning and they had instead of eliminating because eliminating is basically just plastic and it's such a toss-up because you go well if I lemonade it will last longer. So I don't have to print it as much Which is less ink less paper. Yeah, but it's plastic and you'll be there all the way all the time. So what's what's better? What's worse? You know, sometimes you have to have these internal struggles, but I saw one which was using like the kids bring in cereal boxes. Oh, yeah like that and then they just stuck the cards the task cards onto the cardboard. I'll call so cut it to the right side. Yeah, it was sturdy. Earlier than paper. Yeah, it was it was going to last longer. Yeah, and I was like brilliant. That is so cool because the kids can actually see it goes from this to this right in front of their eyes. It's not like yeah, it's going to a processing center somewhere and what's going to happen to it. It's actually like something usable for them. I love that idea and I think you know, we've got an investigation on the website, which is about how much waste do we use now classroom doing something like that. It's a learning activity because they're looking at you know weight volume all they're measuring their graphing they're doing Things but at the same time they're looking at what waste were using in our classroom and then working together to find a way to cut yet back on it. I mean it's a class goal and sure you're not going to have everyone on board. I understand that even you know with what we're doing not everyone is into sustainability. I understand that but with kids if we can make it part of their learning. Yeah, but also unless we get them to understand why we're cutting back on our waste and seeing the problems that we have now and why we need to do that. I feel it's only a good thing. Yeah, exactly. And if that becomes the norm where people are thinking that way it's actually in thinking exactly. Yes, even like the other day. I was throwing away some pouches, you know, like those baby food pouches. Yeah have the cereal in them some yes my kids if we're busy they get a fruit pack fruit pouch like that and I thought this is actually really wasteful so I actually rinse them out. Yeah, I'm planning on recycling. There are companies that do this. But yeah, it's just amazing how much we consume as like purchasing things for our families and the ways that we can reconsider stuff. Yeah, you know, I have taken the bin liner. I've had been at home. So then we have to you can't put anything you can't put compost or any meat products or anything in there because it's going to go straight and T and we have very minimal waste in our landfill been it takes a lot of thought and a lot of of I guess preparing you have to be organized to take your produce bags to get your fruit and veg. So you don't you look in the plastic that all of those things but at the same time it's very rewarding when you get to the end of the week and I'm like we've got like the smallest amount in our landfill going to be one of those families that can fit a years waste into a small jar. I wish I want to see it happen. I wish I think those people are amazing. I'm yet to work out how to do that. It's so great though. Like I'm just always Gob smacked at that. Yeah, I think the narrative changing. Yeah about sustainability from it being like, you know, it used to be this room hippie you kind of to now this is just what the right thing to do and I can die again. I understand that. It's not for everyone but it's very important to me and my family so it was also very important in my classroom. Yeah, and the kids are newer, you know, I even saw another thing which is about not using glue sticks. Okay. It was putting you know, like the glue that comes in. Like a big the clan like kind of like that the white stuff that then goes clear of the PVA glue that could be there. Yeah. Thanks and you put it on a sponge. I'll kinda kids can just dab it in there. So it stays and then you put the lid back on the container. So because then once you finish the PVA glue the big bulk one you can wash it out and recycle it but you can't recycle glue stick, right and they are like a massive single use plastic because you can't you can't refill them you come they don't last for at the amount of glue that kids put on things. I'd always be like, it's too much. You go through them so quickly. I think I bought eight per. Yeah this year at the start and you'll probably need more and that's that's really sad. Yeah, let's do something about that. Let's do that. I mean I work with just you've brought in the refillable whiteboard markers, we how amazing and teachers can use those in their classroom. Yeah, we should put up a post about those because actually there is what they're in they're in this house that I'm looking at on the on the restart of our own eyes. So yeah am has done this amazing post. One of our bloggers and if you go onto the teach data Apple website, you can find it. It's called 45 sustainable practices for the environmentally friendly classroom. And she lists all these Amazing Ideas that you can get into practice so easy. Yeah, really easy stuff. Yeah really good and that you can actually get the link to those whiteboard markers in that post and a whole heap of other things that you can just make small changes. Yeah pass room. Yeah, it might cost a little bit to set up to start with but in the long run. Yeah, it's going to it will work out probably cheaper. Yeah, exactly and I think I saw something. Might shared it in our green future post on our internal messaging what it was that like 40 million whiteboard markers are thrown away in Australia each year. That's insane 40 million little plastic tubes. I'll double-check that number, but I'm fairly sure. It was 40 million it because I remember sending it going bats why we're getting the reuse the refillables because we're not going to contribute to that and that just blows my mind. And even that would even blow kids Minds like if you tell your justification for doing this they're going to get on board because that's a huge number and that's I mean, And you could even go into some maths work with that with you know, definitely 40 million. What is that? Yeah, seven digit number like but how many how many students there are so how many wife at markers is that per student in Australia per teacher per school like you could do so much but every kill for me everything is a learning activity are definitely going to like the grocery store and I'm like, oh there's an activity there's an activity room. Yeah, something like that. Yeah would be or even, you know, make your own produce bags. That's a design and Technology. Yet activity where you can go. Okay, we need a sturdy. What should we make it out of should it be able to be seen through? So the people, you know working at the grocery store can see it to do it like exactly and it's making those personal connections and links them really had that really makes the learning stick for kids. Definitely. Yeah, I could go on and on and on and if you want no, okay, I've had enough I could never have enough. But anyway, we might talk about this again in another episode of the bars. Sounds good. I'll think of some more. Okay, bye guys. Bye. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the buzz by teach starter. We look forward to bringing you. Next week's dose of teacher inspo until then. Just remember you've got this.

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Play loose Netter. Just talking to teachers talking to teachers about academic research and evidence-based practice with continuing professional development at PNA 1977 on Twitter. Snapchat urges talking to teachers. Happy New Year and welcome to the first nail as natta of 2020. So this is also our one-year anniversary and opportunity to thank those of you that have been on the journey from the start and to welcome those. New listeners to the podcast. So this week's he's our first new format change to sustain their lives matter moving forwards. So we'll still have the TD T section. Obviously, once the tdt team are back in the office next week. This will be followed up by our main interview as ever which represented by me and our team of presenters. 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She'll be interviewing Vivian pour it and as you all we'll know Katherine is a former guest. She's a learner a teacher leader and chair of Governors and Vivian is the Strategic leader of hashtag women Ed and she's also the co-editor Of the hashtag 10% braver book. She's a passionate advocate of professional Learning and Development and I've been privileged to see Vivian speaker few times absolutely Sensational on the topics of professional development and Leadership. So this will be a fantastic podcast and it should be quite a cosy chat as Catherine and viviane know each other quite well from over the years. So sit back relax or get into the running shoes as it is, of course red January, so get those on and settle in or get ready for another. Nele Schnatter this week with Katherine Morgan and Vivian pirate. So I'm really excited to receive things nailers matter when Phil asked me if I would step in an interview Vivian pour it. I absolutely jumped at the chance unfortunate to know Vivian in a range of circumstances. Not only women are dead. But I've been really really fortunate to have worked with her in my previous role as director for fresh professional Learning and Development in a multi-academy trust in Birmingham. So good evening again, and how are you? Hello. Hello, Kathryn now, I'm very well. Thank you. So pleased to be talking with you nattering with you absolutely will we matter quite frequently don't work that we do with this is really special. So I've got a series of questions and I've thought long and hard about the types of questions to ask you that I feel will be particularly beneficial for our listeners. So we're going to start off just learning a little bit more about you Vivian because obviously many many listeners will be familiar with You're familiar with you because of your work with women at Ed. But there's so much more to Vivian poet than just women Ed. If you give us a bit of a rundown of your career to date then that would be really really good certainly the English and drama at University and did a master's in English literature University and then my pgce then I became an English. Drama teacher, which I absolutely loved fabulous subjects to work with continue that for a while and came here to drama then became head of expressive art and then in a fit of pique because I wasn't able or wasn't an opportunity to join me senior leadership team at the school where I was head of expressive art. I took a two-year job as a local Authority. Visors asks, which included drama dance and music. So my very first dance workshops that I've ever done in my life were fascinating about to learn very quickly the brats there two years later. I went back into schools became what was then the equivalent now of an assistant head teacher and the deputy head teacher and then head teacher on the sorry. London borders in Southwest London, that was my school career Journey after that. I was seconded to the Department of Education for two years and then had to decide to go back into a school or not, but I got the bug for doing something broader because the DFE secondment had been as CPD advisor to London and I really really loved Of doing that London was a very exciting time because of London challenge then and just in trying to make the decision to go back into the school where I was head teacher or not. The Institute of Education offered me a job. So I had worked in schools and worked in a local Authority and then I thought well if I work in the University, I've done the span of Education organizations. I was there about 12 years in the end working with all those same schools. I've been working in across London and then two years ago. I left the Institute and now work for myself as a leadership consultant. So the crease enough, I mean, yes, there are parts to this story where I'd like to go a little bit deeper. And I know that you've had an incredibly varied career and I was fortunate a couple of weeks ago will probably months ago now to have heard you talk. So passionately about your first drama group and everyone saying that you met up with them recently I met up with some I met up with some of the ones I taught there some of whom were in a drama group. I worked with for four years in the school. That's Testament to lasting impact isn't it? The different roommate doesn't just an academic years it last a lifetime for P for them to be able to meet up and continue that connection. I think is really special. It was quite amazing because they could actually tell me a lot more about some of the lessons they remembered then I could remember and we're talking a long time though, you know all the 35 years. So yes, it was very special and it focuses of time with Still for a little bit and what was even more special was one of them was a teacher and one of them was a it owns her own Theater Company in is a theater director working in drama for audiences actors and audiences with learning difficulties and it just felt very proud. I felt very proud that they felt I did influenced their careers in those ways. It was really lovely. That's really lovely. Yes. That's what it's all about. Isn't it is it goes under and it's fantastic if you get the opportunity to to actually hear people saying that to you because in teaching such a busy job, certainly, even when I was teaching and much more now, you don't always Get to know some of those responses and so yes, it was lovely my partner to listen to me telling him everything about it three times over it was wonderful. I think that comes with the territory though. Doesn't it having a partner who's being a teacher or yeah. Unfortunately they have to they have to hear are many stories because it's called a job. Yeah, really lovely. So you also be in a chair of Governors. Haven't you all your friend Miss Sutter didn't I? Yeah, I was thinking because you I need to take up the governor and I'm now a tear myself. So yeah, tell us a little bit about the role role of chair. Well at the time I was director for school Partnerships at The Institute of education and one of our very close local schools. With whom I had worked before behind you stand in London. So very very, you know, I was in a school city as you get they couldn't get hold of a chair of Governors at all. and stay Institute and because I was probably the person with the most secondary experience in the organization and because they were a partner school and then I became their chair of Governors and I did that for four years to help them find a new chair of Governors that would step up that was more from the local community because I think that's quite important tough school had too tough. We all had tough job to do but my very first chair of Governors meeting was in the brand new school building which kind of felt that we were we were making a new start to the school and I loved I loved being a chair of Governors in that school. It's wonderful really loved it. Yeah. I think the evidence is a huge responsibility and a huge privilege and and I think it's an opportunity. For for us to work with schools and to really support them because as we know is, you know both having been leaders. It's hugely challenging being in a senior leadership team. And I think it's important to have that relationship with your Governor so that you feel supported and challenged obviously making sure that we're doing as much as we possibly can use the school forward. It's certainly a role that I'm absolutely thoroughly enjoying I think, you know an important thing to do. But that's good. I really enjoyed it and one of the things I really enjoyed particularly remembering my camera's a headteacher the was that one hole at the end of a meeting between myself and the head teacher. He was the one who left with all the jobs to do and I really liked that part of being a chair of Governors because it felt I could support and I could help but of course, it's not my job to actually then make it work. And that's the strength and the success of the head teacher and the team around the head teacher that does that but to be able to guide and make suggestions and influence and also to learn myself from their experiences. And yes, it was a fabulous time. We just touched upon their and your time and headteacher, so I'd be really interested. Obviously. There'll be many people from the women Ed Community listening to this podcast, but also from from from other networks across our sector reflecting on your time as head teacher then what do you feel some of the main lessons and successes were during this period and that's a really interesting question because to film with so many of both in so many lessons and they can certainly lots of successes in the school as a As a team together, I took on the edges of a successful school, but one that I felt was quite insula, and that had a lot. to celebrate but it didn't really do that either internally or externally and I think that's something that's really important that schools need to celebrate their successes the successes of the students of the individual staff the collective group of Staff but also their Community work and the impact they have in the community so that that was That was a lesson. I learned very well from being a deputy head and I'd be like absolutely fabulous ed teacher and I could see that it was needed in that school. So we set about a whole culture of Celebration really and that came about from from a lesson I learned which was we had an on-call system right? Lots of schools have and we were all grumbling one day in SLT of About that. It wasn't a great part of the job to be called out regularly or a lost in a day and I said, okay, right. We're going to shift it then we've got to shift that I said, I'm going to sit in my office with the walkie-talkie and instead of calling me out because there's a problem. I want to be called out because there's something wonderful happening in the classroom. There's really just looked at me and thought what so I stepped in my office one day and I made sure I didn't have a lot of jobs to do. I could just Tinker away waiting and I waited and I waited I didn't answer it all in stuff briefing everything and then about 10 minutes for the end of the lesson. I got a call which was can you rush down to the gym because they're not sure how long they can all be stood up in the pyramid. So I rushed down to this class with with a camera tougher photo of the pyramid just before they all collapsed as it right there and was just going to spend time talking with them when more coal started to then come through because I think the staff hadn't been used to that and we took a photo we sent the photo home to the students and well on the Friday briefing we were able to talk I was able to talk about what I'd seen so then a so the next SLT meeting they said can we do it as well? Not just you they won't see the pyramid. No. No, I'm really really knew. It was just a very simple way of saying what I wanted the school to be about really and and it and it worked the corner. Ounce for problems reduced and we couldn't cope it tons of the call-outs for come and see this and the children loved it as well. The kids loved it as well because I even though you know big 16 year old lad say, they don't really none of that interests them. They only said that from to their friends they love to taking the photo homegoing. Look I did this today and and the parents getting a note so that was one success I think. We changed the culture of the school and I learnt that lesson that that's what we should be focusing on not not the problems. We feel that that made a really powerful shift because for so long we do focus on on the problems don't we were forget that actually first and foremost you have to really recalibrate that culture where it's one of positivity and that can't be done via a list of non-negotiable that that's part of the life and soul of a school and it takes time and it takes trust doesn't it giving people the free and who to make those calls bring you down their classrooms really powerful. So one of the Things are absolutely knew as a deputy had but which I learned by making that shift in that culture is that the culture of the school is probably the most important role appear that any leader has to to work on and especially the head teacher. So being able to I know everybody this defines their Vision, but I'm really interested in that Vision in practice and what the tangibles and the Tangibles are in the school then that tell you that the culture you want is working and that was important to me and the other success we had what was to become to be awarded the status of a training school, which many of our listeners might not have ever heard of those but they were the forerunners of the teaching schools now. So focused on initial teacher education, so having student placements, which the school was very successful with even before I arrived but because I wanted the school Success to be out there. I think within my first six weeks so great were applying for this just to know that we're good at it and we were successful and it was so that that really was what got me into much. Deeper work about how do we ensure that the students? We have a well supported and then we want to hang on to those students as an cuties. How do we ensure this imported into leadership Etc? So it really really focused my mind around professional Learning and Development and how it made a difference and how we could improve it because I became a head teacher in the last recruitment and retention. Some crisis and that's absolutely where I learned to grow our own much more than assume that will always always find what we're looking for outside of the school. You want a balance, but if you've got a good school culture, I believe part of that got to be really successful professional Learning and Development for colleagues and the school team, so That that was another success but it was a clear lesson that it helped me to learn. Yeah, you make some some really powerful points there. I think first of all your You reference to the fact that often is schools. We find it really difficult and finding ourselves Champion the work that we do and yet it's phenomenal the impact that schools have across the country. You know, I think we probably need to talk to them that what the work that we do. I know that you were heavily involved with the Charter College of teaching and part of that and they malleson peacocks mission is to make sure that we talked up the profession and I couldn't agree more. I think you also though draw upon the power of culture being driven by having faith in your team and really celebrating the strength. It reminds me of an appreciative inquiry approach actually Uncle development. Absolutely and just how powerful. That is two people. Let's focus on what's working really? Well rather than always entering the discourse and what we're not doing very well. Well, let's focus on what's working. Well in what area so that we can move that knowledge around the organization and I think that's you know for schools that ought to be really intelligent organizations. I think that's where we often fall down because we're not actually using we're not utilizing and harnessing. Officials say the success and the Improvement that are within individual parts of the school order across the multi-academy trust. For example. Yeah, absolutely where the bright spots. However we find them. How do we give them the tools to help them to keep getting better? And how do we grow that impact? Absolutely. So many listeners will obviously be really familiar with the work that you've been with women are dead. But let's just focus He's a lot more closely on your work with professional Learning and Development, which you just touched upon upon now to tell us a little bit more about your philosophy for professional development and in particular why so many schools find it such a challenge to get white one of my basic philosophy around professional Learning and Development is that it's absolutely key and Central to the work that any leader does in whatever team in which they work. and it's always fascinating that in a time of budget cuts as were in now one of the first things that often gets cut is the put the budget for professional Learning and Development and I just can't understand that. So My Philosophy would be that you spend as much as possible on that as in both time and money and I think time is the greater factor that I often talk in sessions that From if we spent eighty percent of our budget on the it infrastructure of the school and part of that broke with fix it immediately and we spend 75 80 percent of our budget on the staff our colleagues in the school. And yes, I feel we neglect the way to help them support and develop and improve to their full potential at our peril. So that that's my basic philosophy, but then of course comes the question about how do you do it? And how do you do it in a way that takes advantage of those opportunities rather than as you say, sometimes it not working to the extent we wanted to and I think that that is a key question. It was the work I did as a Capt advisor across London for the Department of Education and we didn't huge amount of work on that and it was a really strong Factor really strong contributory factor to some of the success of the London challenge work the Collaborative Learning that schools were doing cross all of London and then those the training and development agency where we continue to develop that work. And then it all seem to go away and at times I felt like a lone voice in The Wilderness at The Institute with the team. We had that and now it's much more of a priority but we seem to be made doing the same learning as I felt. We learned 15 years ago, and I know everything goes round in circles in education, but it does frustrate me a little bit that it's as if we're trying to Infant to wheel that's been reinvented over and over again and the must be some way of us being able to say this is what effective Learning and Development looks like this is how we do it. This is how we know what makes a difference if we can't do that in a school then I think we're in trouble. Yeah another key point there. I know I tweeted something last week around distributed leadership. Up and you made the comment that actually this is this has been this has been here for quite a while and and and how often things can round in Cycles. Why do you think we're in that groundhog day where we have cycles of different inputs. So all going to do X and now we're going to do why why is it that the the goal post moves so frequently It's like a question because of course as a new as a new teacher when I started I was one of those very bumptious new teachers who thought they were going to change the world and that teachers who have been teaching 30 years really didn't know as much as me I was absolutely one of those new teachers and what you then learn of course is that it does seem to come around and around again. I wonder if it's because we're tied to the Electoral cycle a little bit. And so the people who are responsible for Education the department for Education change a lot. So they have to therefore make their Mark and things change then I'm much more in favor of it the kind of 10-year plan or education being taken away from the politics being given to the professionals like the chant, which is one. Absolutely. One of the reasons why I'm working as vice president for the chartered College of teaching because I think that gives us the opportunity more to say. This is the profession. This is what we're trying to do. These are our goals. These are our aims and this is what success looks like and we're going to celebrate it and we're going to ensure within that that the quality of teachers and the quality of the learning that's available to them continues to improve. I think that's absolutely essential. Yeah. Okay, I couldn't agree more. I think you make a really personal. It's around tentatively government influence. And I think it's Canada is an example where they to get away from. From from the government focus and remember after the loan actually left it alone to be able to develop and improve and Thrive and then looking at sustainability. I think sustainability is a key problem in our sector because absolutely we have green shoots and then it we grow them to a certain extent and then it tends to drop off and we focus on something else. So yeah, I mean no wonder you certainly know just on that point Guster and so am I Salute my absolute motto in all the work I do in education is less is more. Yes do a lot less but do it a lot better put your time and energy into the the few things that you know will make the biggest difference for the children and the communities that you serve. I think we do we try and do far too much just do a few things, but do them a lot better. Absolutely. I think that's indicative of a Often what happens in schools in terms of professional Learning and Development. So we had often with very busy very cluttered staff meeting time tables where there's multiple things happening people are being asked to focus on a variety of different aspect. It could be subject development. It could be pedagogy and then you've obviously got safeguarding and statutory elements, you know, people are constantly juggling lung different areas all at the same time. I'm and I one of my favorite quotes from Helen said please work is is around When She interviewed some Australian Educators and one one man said that he hoped he died in set training because the transition between lines and debt would be seen them and I think that's really really powerful because it's summarizes the waist and then people feel about professional Learning and Development and that they have a school of I know you spend a long time now working with schools and leaders and particularly looking at Vision strategy and impact how would you summarize their the work that you do now? It's Vision strategy professional Learning and Development and impact because I think there's a coherent whole there. Although obviously. It depends what particular School leaders want to focus on. I'm doing some work with the school in London, for example that moment on their prey Process because it isn't connected with the professional Learning and Development cycle sufficiently. So we're looking at bringing about really quite a step change for that organization. But in doing that I will always say well what's the vision for appraisal and Learning and Development? How do they fit into your strategic aim as a school or strategic games and whenever I ask that? Question if I get told that our schools got 10 aims or 10 goals. Then I always get worried because we missing that less is more philosophy and then you've got lots of busy people in schools working on development plans and development goals and it gets to be a culture of busyness and what leaders are focusing on their knees has something happened. Has it been done. Because it being ticked off as opposed to the philosophy. I would have both of vision strategy Learning and Development and then evidencing. The impact is what are the difference you want this to make before you do any action before you get busy we're too focused on what we're doing is in education, aren't we and as soon as we think there's something to fix If we jump into the water we going to do about it rather than that appreciative enquiry approaches. What's the issue? What's working? Well, what do we need to know about it? And of course that means you're going to have a more evidence informed approach. We miss the evidence bit and I find it fascinating at the moment that people are trying to put the evidence but back in but they're doing that without really I think some of the Improvement processes in school, which is we are not going to do a single thing about this to absolutely clear what we want it to look like when it's happening and what it looks like now and you and I know is we've worked on this together, but that sounds so easy doesn't it and so obvious and yet it's quite It difficult to put into practice because people want to rush into action all of the time and and if you do that, you can only then talk about the impact of things you've done. You can only say yes. I had 12 teachers came to do this session or 30 students. Games from this initiative experience this initiative that that's not impact. That's just reach or things you did. Yeah, and I'm not interested in that. I want to know whether it's your vision or your strategy or Learning and Development. I want to know what do you want it to do what difference do you want it to make and I worked at can I keep going? The minute I worrying I'm not hungry. I'm just going to anyway, I've done some wonderful work Wonderful in the sense. It was just joyous to do so wonderful work with a school in London again where they wanted to clarify their Vision, but they didn't really know the best way to do it and they asked me to help and I said I could only help if that was basically the main thing that we're going to focus on the school for the year as opposed to it being something they did on top of everything and we worked for a year on that from middle leaders to see me a leaders mid leaders involve students involved their teams win both Governors and I went back a few weeks ago for To make them a year later from when we started their vision is now three simple words interestingly three C's. I have three things supposed to women. There's four teams and each team is absolutely focused on the development plan. That is about this is where we are. Now. This is what we're doing and they are energized by it a year ago. They Just felt they were ticking boxes. Now. They feel learn in control. They're responsible. They trusted and they are absolutely no with their team to difference. They want to make and that's just been joyous absolutely joyous work. So I think all of that work is all part of the same. Development within the school and unfortunately, I think sometimes all of those parts are divided up too much and not seen as a natural influence one on the other from Vision to strategy to learning to new practice and then to evidencing the success it is that simple and yet it's that hard to put into practice Yeah, I think. Thank you. Once again, some key takeaways for me. So the first the first thing is when you talk about the fact that we are very very much obsessed with being busy doing lots of things identifying lots of areas that need Improvement and then really focusing on those what then happened is that it's driven by compliance and accountability rather than having that buy-in and that Collective Endeavor to support the Improvement. Assess the way you talk also reminds me of the education down at foundations implementation guide which was recently updated, especially looking at the Explorer stage and taking that type of move down the difference that you want to make two before we even get going really understanding business as usual really understanding what's happening in individual classrooms, and it makes me think of the work of busy and Robinson as well and her focus on drilling into people's theories of action. And so that you can understand the beliefs and the values of the practice that you're trying to then change and it becomes something that you do with people as opposed to it than to and I know when we work together spending a long time on that Baseline is absolutely Keys it and and I think you're right and say it is it is actually a relatively straightforward process. But one that we nevertheless huge that compliment and and I Our conversations where it it felt hard to establish the Baseline because in a way people didn't really know what was actually happening now in an objective way. We rushed people rush to judgment this out of this isn't happening in this isn't happening which is a judgment. But if you can actually just paint it, you know, can we objectively say this is what's happening in this classroom for that student. And for that student and that student and we want it to look like this for those students and for those teachers and it was a tough process wasn't it? It was yeah and one that you don't ever really finish I suppose because and it's one where again it's tightly aligned to culture because it and I think Improvement is a keep me alive to culture they're intrinsically linked. And I think because it is such a detailed process. We often only ever drill into it at the very surface level and it requires so much more thought and conversation professional conversations about maybe at the heart of the process and I do like to see the hashtag on Twitter times, but that I conned a while ago which is and that which has been turned into a #which is improved not prove. Yeah, we shouldn't be into the proving business at all. We should be just focused on Improvement and celebration of success if we can turn it to this is the next part of our vision and strategy. This is what success looks like here. We've achieved the success. What do we do now? It should be that kind of a conversation rather than feeling a need to Please visit to people in our school or to people outside the school or to policymakers Etc should be much more about celebrating success. But to do that, you've got to know what that success look like to know that it's something that has improved that he has tagged improve not prove. Yeah, absolutely. Love it. Okay. Well it wouldn't be right for me to have a conversation with you. This evening. If I didn't mention women are now you had a phenomenal couple of years and the the book has been hugely successful. Not only making an impact nationally, but you've also now got International women Ed Network which you know, you must be incredibly proud of as we're about to embark on a brand new year what's in store for women are dead and the community. Well, thank you for those kind words around Bloom there. It's still astonishes those of us working at the center women and as it were exactly what is being achieved and it's that perfect example of trust vision and strategy and trusted that way because what gets achieve now is is pushed and organized and sorted by the 27 networks. We do have around the world, which is just Bonkers because all we ever wanted to do is when we started at the southern of Those who started it was give women a voice on Twitter. Yes only then that to do but but now I think our ambition has certainly grown and now it's to give women a voice in global education and interestingly the Global Gender Gap just came out this week from the world education forum, and there's still a lot of work. To do in it, but obviously that focuses on the global position of women and interestingly is very much reflected by the education sector in most Global countries as well. So we want to keep growing globally is a key part of our strategy for this year for 2020. We want to make a difference in very some quite specific campaigns that we focused on right from the beginning. So we absolutely want to see more women being represented in the leadership roles within education organization. We want to tackle the gender pay Gap because we'll have the third set of gender pay Gap reports in the UK coming out and I just found out that In Spain, they have a gender pay Gap report also, so we want to campaign for all organizations globally to have a gender pay Gap report and a very live campaign at the moment that we will definitely continue working on in 2020 is to support. A wide range of practices around flexible working for schools. Yeah, because it's cool. You talked earlier about education being sustainable and it clearly isn't sustainable at the moment for the people who work in education and flexible working isn't just part-time. There can be all kinds of fixes and hacks that can be made to the work. within the school and we're delighted to be working in partnership with the Charter College of teaching ASCO naht Flex teach Talent return to teach all of these other organizations who all got case studies of flexible working, but where they're not visible enough takes me back a little to what I said is a headteacher, you know, lots of people working away in their Parts but actually nobody knows what the real success looks like. Yeah, but we're focusing on the flexible working. We're focusing on the benefits of it for the individuals the organization itself and importantly for the students for very short case studies hosted on the chart at College website focused solely on the benefits of flexible working practices, and we'll just keep adding. To those case studies as people keep giving those more so go three life campaigns We're Going Global and an internal question for us is how do we cope with all of that? Because we're all volunteers at weaning all do it on top of our day job and we've got to figure out a way for our own growth to be sustainable. So we have a new website finally, which we think is helping. And I'm going to new learning my way around it. I've never done anything like that before so 10% braver and figuring out all the backend of the website to make it work properly. But we really want to make connections in this year. Continue our strategy of connecting with more women in education who aren't on Twitter because that's the vast majority. So also this year will be the Cason of our second book with the working title for the first book was 10% braver inspiring women to lead education and the second book working title at the moment is called being 10% braver 25 26 stories of individual women under times when they made a choice to be 10% braver and why they made those choices how that affected them and what difference it made for them. So we're in the editing process of that at the moment, which is really really wonderful to read these stories. So that's quite a bit to be getting on with this year. And I'm not going to say more than got your hands full and 40 takeaways. Once again, I think Make reference to globally the impact of the gender pay Gap. It's not something that's just unique to our country. This is love. This is a global issue and one that women are to have have really worked hard to shine a light on within our sector. I think you you also make the point that flexible working is incredibly important for sustainability. Unfortunately the most be working for ambition Institute and I have to say I'm incredibly impressed with the way with the flexibility and the approach to working and I've often thought to myself if this is if schools have adopted similar strategies. I genuinely believe we get so much more from people because it's that investment in them as a whole. You know, we've all got different circumstances and situations and life is very different now from 50 years ago. And so I think it's important that we move with the times and I know there was a huge Twitter storm recently when a Comments were captured about flexible working and I think unfortunately whilst Twitter is a really powerful tool for good as we both know and it can also be quite a difficult Community to operate in and so, you know, not so much not just not too sure and women and our communities joyous on my timeline is one day be a green it comes down to creating a timeline doesn't it? But I think the other the other key. Takeaway for me is you reference to moving outside of Twitter though? Because I think it's easy for us to forget that there are so many hundreds of thousands of people teachers Educators who don't use Twitter who are probably doing apps who will definitely be doing phenomenal work and so many people that we can learn from and I'm particularly interested in that so it sounds like a very exciting year ahead. And yes, you're right. You're all volunteers doing this on top of really busy day job. And yeah, it's absolutely admirable just to just to sort of pick up another another point. Then that relates to women are Dora. See we have the Pisa results that were released recently. And so UK girls in particular. They scored quite lonely in terms of resilience. I just be really interested in your thoughts on that. Well, it's really worrying. Isn't it? Very worrying. I think girls. Our particular issue have particular issues when the curriculum and the ethos of the schools are focused in an Olaf unhealthy way on exams and results and outcomes and I I don't want anybody to take away from that. That's not something I would focused on I was as hard-nosed a second you had to teachers you get because the outcome of the exams for those students affect their life chances, but it's got to be about more than that because otherwise a whole generation of girls believe that that's all they're worth that that they only worth whatever. Number is on the end of the grade at the end of the two years and therefore the whole perfectionist issue for girls and women kicks in at a very young age that they've just got to keep working and working and working and they're going to fail unless they're not perfect and that that is a worry for individual girls now and I would certainly exhort all schools to just think about that. There's a lot of student voice mechanisms in schools now, so it would be better if Colleagues in school found that out about their girls rather than because the Pisa results of told us that yeah. Well we need to be asking the girls and the boys, you know what's going on with them in education at the moment and what can the school do to help and of course involve parents in their conversation? Yeah. Yeah because as more aware PP the results A useful reflection on what's happening, but they certainly don't tell the whole story. I can't help but wonder the impact of social media as well and perhaps the level of judgment that girls often feel which could be a contributing factor, but you're right in saying we can make lots of assumptions but the key thing is actually having those conversations and purchased a vehicle driving student voice at the heart of any school and not know who you didn't obviously with the parents. As well. It's that Community voice. Absolutely key. Okay. Well, I feel that you covered so many different areas for us this evening. It's been really interesting listening to you talk about your career and some of the highlights from the lessons that you've learned and obviously things that you're going to be focusing on with the Charter College and also with women Ed's, the quality of any interview is always based on the questions that are asked so I'd be really interested knowing your Also know that you've done what question do you think I should have asked you this evening? Who? Allow an easy one. I think maybe the question you could have asked me. Is why I went into education. What why why what is it that drives me to do this because I could stop working if I wanted to and I don't want to so what is it that drives me to do it. So we'll slip Simon sinek and his head and start with Y. And in fact we'll end with wide are so just really succinctly what is it that motivates you to still do what? What you're doing to carry on not to stop. I've spoken a TED talk Nora Jed over a year ago, and I basically answered it done which was I'm driven by something if it isn't, right. if I can see something that is morally wrong is inequitable isn't fair basically than I seem to be triggered and have a need to do something about that and I think for me in education therefore, that's one of the ways in which we can ensure more fairness more equity and to do the right things as opposed to make the choices that are wrong so I'm really driven by trying to make things better put things right and its most simple way and I think education is the most powerful force by which we can all do that. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. That's a that's a really powerful impact for Lending Vivian. I'm really grateful to have been given the opportunity to speak to you tonight. And I would love it actually having the time to talk with you Catherine not snatched conversation here and there but there is been a huge privilege working with you and I feel very fortunate to have had your mentorship which continues I'm very grateful and I hope that listeners will be able to take numerous. I get to way from this conversation and take them back to their school and consider approach to culture Vision professional learning development. And and also obviously thinking about join networks such as women Ed and then obviously the huge movement which is a Charter College of teaching so lots on offer through this conversation and all that remains to be said is a huge thank you to thank for all that you continue to do for not giving up and for striving to to make a Instill make it to make things better. Thank you classroom, trying to firm much for prompting all of those thoughts of really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you. Just talking to teachers podcast pedagogy. What is Phil reading this week podcast pedagogy listening to teachers? Never snapped urges talking to teachers. So this week candy podcast pedagogy section. I am not so much reading a book as living it and the book in question is Leaders with substance by Matthew Evans and as listeners will know from last week's big Revelation and I'm on the cusp of starting in a more senior role than I've previously had. So this book is timed perfectly for me, but equally and I find this will be useful for leaders at all levels particularly. There's that Looking to transition maybe into a new role. So as you know, Matthew has done a short review of the book to encourage people to have a look at it in last week's podcast. And also I'm delighted to say that in about three hours from now as I record this I'll be having a conversation with him about the book. So it's going to give you my thoughts on the book and how I've started to think about some questions to ask Matthew in this evenings podcast. So the first thing to say is this book has received a fantastic reception and as we speak, Zeke it's currently a best-seller and receiving rave reviews from a very respected people in education. Most recently Ruth Walker has put on how much she'd enjoy the book and as much as well know Ruth is a previous guest on the show and incredible intellect and if she is get a lot from this book than I would suggest that a lot of you out there would benefit from this as well. So as I mentioned that we interviewing Matthew as I record this podcast in a couple of hours, but here's some questions that the book has generated. So firstly at the start of the book Matthew describes how despite the millions of words written on the subject. He questions whether leadership is actually even a thing and very early on in the Book of Matthew makes listener question what remains of leadership and where does this kind of leave the book? So the book moves into whether or not such things as generic leadership skills and you know, we talked a lot about the sort of moves and education over the periods of time that certainly I've been involved with education. That's the last twenty years but generic leadership skills would definitely something that I as a middle leader in the early 2000s but lead were were vital to both promotion and the day-to-day ability to do the job and I like hey Matthew questions, whether they are indeed useful as moving to 2020. I also like how Matthew was backed up all of his assertions with evidence and it's got a very nice summary at the end of each chapter that talks about the key takeaways and the key evidence to back those up. I even looked at the depth of the evidence as well because as we know we can find evidence to prove most things. It's actually the quality of that evidence and the robust nature of that as to whether people can draw conclusions from its a math you just this really really well and Matthew questions, whether we need clever leaders and asks how we lead It Best in distracting and difficult times and with the current focus and sometimes we may say Obsession on curriculum Matthew very cleverly on picks curriculum Genera system and questions whether or not school should be led by experts and the section on Vision was a real eye-opener for me again, and it seems through you know, my intensely personal lens at the moment as I mentioned in last week's podcast. I'm looking at the good or the bad of vision and Matthew section on there is really really fascinating. So I look forward to ask him about that later on. There's another section in one of the chapters about scripture and scripts and cultural memes which provides an interesting example and includes an Between a new Deputy head and a box carrying nqt in the car park. So yeah check that one out very very interesting and how much Matthew draws from sort of what seems like such a small interaction. Also Matthew discuss is one of my favorite topics, which is the dunning-kruger effect, which I feel like I'm living at the moment. So yeah, that's a very interesting section as well. And lastly Matthew looks at what is destined to be a big take away a line from this book when he discusses the development of the next generation of leaders. So he says that leader should have their finger on the pulse and not the trigger. So I thought that was a fantastic take away. As I said going to be look speaking to him later on this afternoon about this and the hotspot that podcast out in the next couple of weeks. But in the meantime, if you do want to check out this book Leaders with substance is published by John cat and is available everywhere now. Rivers Netter just talking to teachers podcast pedagogy. What is Phil reading this week podcast pedagogy listening to teachers never snapped urges talking to teachers. Swinton he's Shameless plug section and we'll start with Shameless plugs for to brew Ed events one in which I'm directly involved and one in which I am very very happy to support and hopefully depending on what is a very busy month in March might come along to listen to so the first one is Brew Ed Ozzy, which is very very popular at the moment. So as last couple of tickets available for that if people are interested in coming along and the Stellar line-up of Educators, they're people who are familiar with lead learn length, etcetera bed. It's obviously in this again and Lead learn links is a fantastic event. And I was sure that brew and Ozzy will be equally so so I'll be talking a little bit about curriculum and leading School in disadvantaged areas. If you're interested it coming along to that bread science is on the 28th of March in Liverpool and we've got lots of guests that I've worked closely with but the want to mention here is previous guest Louise Louis or presenting it and Louise is podcast was fantastic if you seen her present and I went to watch your presentation. Sent at the National Conference for research and she's fantastic presenter. So breads bread science 28th of March in Liverpool tickets via Eventbrite for that one as I mentioned every week. We've got research and double bill. So we've got research at Birmingham and research at Blackpool both in March as well. So if you have got tickets for those great if you have want to be added to the waiting list for the ball for those then again via Twitter or via the Eventbrite site for both of those we also have My fantastic new school serves your academies teach me which be on the 16th of January. So we've got lots of local Educators and people from a bit further afield will be coming along to support that and in a strange Twist of events. I will be speaking at it, but I was speaking at it on behalf of the chartered College because this is one of the Privileges of being a fellow of the chartered College. I was asked to speak at that before it was confirmed that I've now got a job at South Shore academies. So yes, that'll be an interesting sort of double edge. Presentation there. So be looking at the work of the chartered college and the importance of it to the professions. If you want to come along to that think they're our last couple of tickets available for that on the 16th of January. 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Welcome to the first Naylor's Natter of 2020. This is also our 1 year anniversary so a great opportunity to thank those of you that have been on the journey since 4th January 2019 and to welcome those of you new to the podcast. This weeks sees the introduction of our new format to sustain the podcast moving forwards. We will still have the excellent valued input from the team at TDT to kick off the show each week (once they are back in the office) . This will be followed up with our main interview which will be presented by me or our team of presenters , including Kathryn Morgan, Emma Turner (TBC) and members of team TDT (David,Maria,Bethan, Ian or Michelle) . This will increase our capacity, diversify our interviews and interviewees and hopefully make this even more interesting for you the listeners. I will be continuing with the podcast pedagogy section and I still very much welcome listeners reflections on what you are reading this year . So  if your New Years resolution is to read more , why not share this with a community of supportive educators? Podcast pedagogy I discuss my takeaways and questions from the marvellous Leaders with Substance from Matthew Evans who will be a guest on the podcast very soon Shameless plugs  BrewEd Science 28th March  BrewEd Ossy 1st February  rED Birmingham March ***sold out*** rED Blackpool March ***sold out*** I am also taking bookings to speak at conferences for 2020 so please get in touch via the website listed above --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/naylorsnatter/message

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Did you mark yourself safe on Facebook after the draft Yeah, Safety First good. Beautiful ha ha ha. That was well done. Thank you. And who is this talking? Oh, it's Colin Hoggard columnist and contributor for the right report. Very glad. He put an asterisk on his assertion that the Panthers wouldn't draft a quarterback in the first three rounds. That is true. Thank you. Nick Wilson for suggesting that I not include the compensatory pick and it came through. Yep. You've had made you seem really smart because you were like, I don't think they're gonna draft him in the third round and then Nick was like, what about the compensatory pickier like? Oh well, maybe and then That perfectly it did and everyone was excited to see a local kid get a chance to live as childhood drink. Yeah, I was excited now. I mean, I was not how when I guess on Twitter, no, no, it was nothing goes well on to it, at least it was late at night. So a lot most people were already asleep. So yeah, that's sure if they just burned down Twitter the next morning. Yeah burn it all down. They did that like what is it Elmo the Elmo gift where he's just like raising his arms in the air with flames behind him. You don't why do you look at me like That I know what you're talking about it from thank you. Oh now you're not the affirmative but you're not. Well, maybe I should introduce him so he can speak on the one-day contract this week. It's Josh Sims Sports Anchor reporter with Fox 46, Charlotte Villanova and Syracuse Alum Jersey native and worst dancer than his weatherman. I cannot confirm or deny whether that's true, but shut up, too. Matt Kozar the dancing weatherman but he does he does these don't like Seventeen hundred videos by now. He has a lot of free time on his he does. It's incredible. He really does a some like real work trying to get viral like it's and I mean it works like when I say successfully getting viral I guess is the right word right? Because before he was the wrapping weatherman, that was like before Fox 46 what? Yeah, you didn't know about this you got to dig into his past. Do you restore link here? And he's the rapping whether bar and typing then he start dressing like I Cam Newton and that became a whole thing and then we all dress like Cam Newton for one of our pregame show so that also happened and then he started dancing now he reinvents himself constantly. This dude is incredible. I was a big fan of day. I think he dressed like Kemba he did that one point and somebody the first response on Twitter tagged him and was like yo Fox 46 Nick this dude looks like you and it's like that is like Twitter in a nutshell is like this dude trying to point out. Somebody to themselves right? It's just yeah, it's a lotta love Twitter. What are the rules when dressing like Cam Newton? Just something that you will never wear ever again? Pretty much. Yeah sounds about right? Yeah. You can't you can't you can't duplicate that. Yeah. No, that's true and wear a hat. Yeah, that's the other rule. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he brimless hat he invented the that's right. I forgot. Oh, I am not here for The Fez. We cannot have faysal Escape or Fez headed cam rolling through looking like you got an eraser. No, no. Mmm, he's gonna draw a line. There's got to be a line, but it's going to have like his going to have 10 tassels a very in both bells and a little car in the parade. But you know what go get me three hundred and three touchdowns you get all wear it with you wear whatever you want 303 in the in one season. Yeah, and he sees it. Well, you know, it's hard when you can't complete passes more than 40 yards down. Well that arthroscopic procedure cleared. Everything has got a lot of range of motion. I'm just gonna pretend like you said the right word, right? Yep. Okay. So is that not what a had a seashell procedure on us, right? Yeah. I think you called him a fossil. Yeah, whatever Arthur products leaders almost 30 something like that. Basically a fossil, you know, so we start the show with Nicky's super important question. A lot of people getting upset on the the Twitter's and Facebook's and all that over spoilers. So tell me what you think is the appropriate window. Gets for a spoiler alert. Ooh, that's actually a really good question. I know right? Okay. So I think for TV shows it's tough. So I would say you need probably like 72 hours for a TV show. I like that you said for a TV show because I do agree that like for movies and TVs at those windows are probably different. Yeah, and then well they may not be that different because I feel like if you're outside of opening weekend, it's okay for spoil. He's I Yes, but I feel like Monday probably but if you really didn't want Avenger spoiled for you, then you shouldn't be listening to this podcast on Tuesday when I tell you that I don't know any I haven't seen it yet. But I've heard yeah, exactly. Sorry and then say but I mean calling you were saying this earlier the Game of Thrones spoiling has just gotten out of control. Well, there was a time when Game of Thrones fans only took over Sunday night, and it was fine. I was more than willing to take a sabbatical from Twitter. But now you can't before noon on Monday. No chance you're just begging for it. It's you guys had the evening just take the evening, but can the rest of the world have you know, social media back in the morning? Yeah, I like can't no. No, that's yeah. It's know. It's it it's all just memes about I don't even want to say anything because like if you haven't watched the show, I'm still trying to catch up but like if you haven't watch a show and you're like well just pop on a little Panthers pod talk about one-day contract and I can't believe Ned Stark dies. Then. You're like what the fuck? I almost use one of our to curses and we're already doing better than last episode. I think our guest last time he's the best in the first four minutes. He used to he dropped one real mad. That's what have to live up to. Yeah, exactly. Stop dropping we only get two so I'm not actually sure that's a rule but we've somehow established it in the lore of the podcasts not even a rule. We just made it up. That's a rule. It's a one-day contract rule. Get it up. Here's the thing. What is it? Why is it acceptable just to go around spoiling stuff. Like what do you need to do? Like, I understand like if you just used an image or something like that from like that's fine. But like the idea of spoiling like she could just come up in conversation and be like, man. Can you believe that? They didn't like I haven't haven't seen that yet like that. I feel like there's a there now needs to be you know, a code a rules where it's like hey, do you watch this show? Yes. Hey, oh how far you know, like the like, I think you have to kind of, you know date. Before you discuss content now, that's a really good point little back and forth to understand where each other are because we're talking about people people don't care and people are stupid. Well, that's true General. It's all right, everyone wants to do is be included. So it's like oh this just happened. Are you talking about NFL GM's or just people in general I'm talking about the show was like five minutes in and out of bread in a group chat to be like this person is already the MVP and I was like do I just got out of work? Yeah even leave yet and you're already spoiling the episode. Yeah. Can we it's the episodes not Like the credits and you're like, can you believe that this just happened? That's like no not everyone works the same schedule or has the same amount of time. Let's wait a minute. And yeah just a just a thought. Have you all have you all played spoiler to someone before? No, I don't think so. The Ned Stark example was the first time you've ever done it. Yeah, sorry, so I guess I have technically but we were my wife and I my beautiful wife and I were watching that's nice. No, no never will my beautiful wife and I were watching 30 Rock and I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. But at some point there's a like a throwaway joke that either Grizz or.com is like, oh man Ned Stark does and my wife like we're just like watching 30 Rock randomly is like God damn it. Why don't you just say that and I was like, what who what are they even talking about? She was like, I'm reading that book He's throughout a spoiler for a thing that I'm reading. This is Aeolus she was like Ned Stark dies. No, it's like I think I've even knew that and it was like it was like season 3 of Game of Thrones prediction one. That was right out the gate. Yeah. No, but it was like in real life. Yeah, so they just assumed two years later. You've watched it. She was not and she was very unhappy and I used one of our two curses. I said, I think it's I think I would rather not be a spoiler and so I'd rather put precautions in my life to ensure that I don't ruin stuff for people. So ask if they're watching or if they're ever going to watch. Yeah, or just don't talk about it to them. There's that there's that but people got to get over the other people got it out of the world talk about politics or religion exactly the to backlinks Tacos, but sometimes the housekeeper, you know, the housekeeper's I gotta hear about the Panthers draft sometimes sometimes that's just the way life goes. Yeah. They're like, I think they might use Modena letter hard. She's like, all right. Thanks, Darlin. Thank you. Well at 8:45 into this podcast by the way, as we're going to start talking about football. Are you ready? Are we at well, what about the music though, too? So I got about 12 you might want to write that time down. It's a what 5:15 p.m. Tune in to 5:15 p.m. Let's get the let's talk football. And let's look at the the draft now we can now we can talk about the draft right? Yay. I'm now how about A first-round recap Brian Burns Josh one or do you want to be Josh one? I think you should be jiaxuan. You're our guest sure. It's more fun. It's because he wants you to call him the big dog so I could be Josh and yeah, that's right. This Brian Burns pick. How do you feel about this is a good pick? I feel good about it. I mean, I think they got a guy that I mean there are knocks on him. Like he's kind of slight he needs to put on Wait, which he already has put on like 20 pounds. But as far as they needed an edge rusher, they needed somebody in the trenches. They need to replace Julius Peppers. And I think people need to slow down saying like they found their replacement for Jewish Peppers because like let's be real Peppers is like a once-in-a-lifetime guide like he played so he was like 50 years old. So you're never going to really see another guy like Peppers or not this soon but I mean at the position they were at at 16. I think he was the guy to take right there. So I like his ability. I like what he can be. Be the thing about first-round picks at 16. I think we might have to wait a couple of years to see if he's gonna be any good. You know, he could be good. He could not be but we're not going to go on day one and I don't want everybody to be fooled in the spring when we're at practice watching these guys and they're like, you know, just having a t-shirt all running around and then Ron tells us all. Yeah. He looks great and then everyone takes that like, oh, yeah. It's the best player ever. He's really good. Like of course. Everyone's going to say, he looks great until we actually him in an actual game were really not gonna know when I honestly we probably won't know for a couple of years. Yeah, that'll be that's that's always Greg Olsen's point, right? Yeah, it looks looks great. Oh that young tight end looks great. Let's see the shortest. Yeah and shorts see him put some pads on. Um, I'm a I'm optimistic about this, but but not just picking at 16 but a pass rusher at 16 at a premium position at the most premium position on the defensive side. And I think the reason is obvious. I don't I know they want to talk about 250. I don't think he's I don't know. He's do 15 the man on my television that was 250 with standing next to him wearing Carolina Panthers blue. He that thats not 250 and I'm not trying to pick on the young man. But I'm that's my that is the number one concern because the athleticism the speed the ability to turn the corner all that is there I think he has more moves than an undersized Florida State past. Sure named Eva Braun the Panthers drafted before but maybe stop showing the spin moves on Twitter so much because that's only going to beg people to make that comparison but I'm optimistic in the other thing is if it's this three if they're making the move to the 3/4 and I know that we've got covert Ron now, you know anytime you comes to the he comes to the podium gotta gotta keep the master Secrets under under wraps can't give them anything. You judge has drafted a guy you really like and it's like nope. Don't worry want to talk about him you like him. You picked him. You can say nice things about him. It's okay. I'm optimistic about it. But I am concerned the tackles are just going to fall on them, too. Yeah, I I am also concerned about the weight. I think everybody is my thing here. There are two things. I really liked. The first one is that they waited for their guy like they they didn't go up and get Burns. I don't ever think that was an option really. Was going up to get somebody but I think that what they did was they they way they said okay, how is the board falling things are happening like as the draft kept going. It was like, oh all these guys that they like are still on the board and then it's like oh and oh and then all of a sudden it's like we're down at like 14 and Dillard and burns are still there out of it. Don't think that they were going to take Dillard if Burns had gone, but whatever we don't have to debate these hypotheticals on what happened because Brian Burns, the guy that they've been connected with since freaking January of of being mocked to they're very interested in Brian Burns. They love is versatility. They love how he can drop back in coverage how you can rush the passer if you could put on weight, it'll be great and then he did put on way and then they got he was there and they picked him and it's like this is how it should go. You should like a guy for four or five months and then if he's there you pull the trigger, that's what happened now. Colin what you said? I think that they I think the cat is at this point out of the bag that this is not a hybrid defense. They are moving to a 3-4 defense like every single thing that they have done in the offseason and every single thing honestly that Ron has said Indicates that they are moving to a 3/4 so it's like why do we have to keep beating around the bush and be like, well all these hybrid fronts? I'm sure they will at some point have four defensive linemen up there. But this team as it's constructed right now looks more to me like a 3/4 you don't draft two guys that play exclusively in a 3-4. If you are not making your move that way. Yeah, if this if he's a 4-3 defensive end, it changes completely the way that you look at this draft in my opinion. I'm not excited about mean He is he he looks like he's 50 pounds lighter than CJ and and expected to play. You know, the same or similar position. No Anderson Yeah. Well, yeah, but also that's why he lasted one game but now he's great. Yeah, the sorry. Oh CJ Anderson is great in the Panthers just waved him at least he's a finally came around. There's all the decent thing that he did is it finally admitted and when you got asked about that the Panthers were solid to him even though they had to take You know, they get crapped on for three hours on National Television. Turn your Bluetooth Panthers wave just got he asked he asked to go they were being nice. They weren't morons. Sorry. Are you fine? I don't know why I don't know why it would be to run to beat around the bush on this the anymore like this it because it completely changes the way I feel not just about him, but about the other defensive guys that you got in this draft. If you're telling me that they're playing in a 3-4 versus a 4-3 do we think that that all of a sudden the offensive coordinators in the NFL are getting about how how should I am ha ha? How's this? They're in a 3-4 would owe our notes are no good. Now, come on. Just let me know but they are so that this is they him and Marty have gotten to a point where they don't trust the media when they go in a press conference. They're not there to talk about whatever their business is to talk about. They're there to make sure they don't say something that might upset the apple cart and they walk on these eggshells when they're talking about guys that they have picked as young men to be a Of this organization there if there's ever a time to just be like look this is these are guys we like we're going to we're going to be effusive in our praise with them. No. No, nope. We're going to is still kg still playing this game constantly and I don't I don't think it serves them as well as that it serves them. Well in that room, I don't think it's serving them. Well beyond that room because if I look at this Brian Burns pick and just say well, you know, they're talking hybrid performance, but mostly them in a 4-3 team then I'm going to come on and I'm going to be I'm going to rag on this draft. And that doesn't matter, you know, but if it doesn't matter then why are you walking on eggshells? When you talk in these press conferences about guys that you like? I don't know. Yeah, Josh do you feel like they they are open and honest and I mean, obviously they're never gonna be open and honest but like one of the things that we talked about last week with with Nick Wilson was that like you just don't believe anything that they say at this point like everything they say, they're literally just like, okay. Well, it's the opposite like right now you're going to owe they even literally said we're going to go out and Half the guy that has Christian McCaffrey skill set and then they didn't do it. They drafted got it has Cameron artist paints kill said they already got cameras artists paint on the roster holding him hostage, but well, I'm glad that the RSS feed finally caught up to my pre-draft columns from last year when I said, I wanted a hammer for this offense. They've been found to this year. But yeah, like it's this into this this misdirection like, who do you think who do they think is paying attention at other teams like it? That's the only justification to me is that you think that other teams but But I just think that they have gotten both of them whether they feel like they've been burned by the media or whatever it is. And I don't think that that that's one of the toughest locker rooms or toughest places to get to deal with in the country. But it is you can I can feel it watching when you see them thinking through what they're trying to say to avoid saying anything and they will in fact end up saying incorrect things about guys that they have just drafted just because well this Is this what we say about guys that we like at this position? So I'm just going to say these generic terms and push it off. It makes no sense. And I I like both Marty and I like Ron and I will say Marty told and you heard in the song Marty said exactly what they're going to do. If you open the show you that he said exactly what they're going to do and they did that so that that part they're honest about that's great and I like both of them and I think Ron Rivera is is a truthful person, but for whatever reason when he gets in, Room they do not want to be honest about things that I don't think they need to be dishonest about. Yeah, it's kind of weird and I've seen sort of a transition with him and I've only been covering the teens to my fourth season, but I do feel like he was a lot more open when I first got here then he has been now mean don't talk to him about concussions and his guys just loses it and gets like attacks us for asking about a guy who's injured which you know, like we were I know they don't want to give away secrets to other teams on who's playing and who's not but Like Medusa been the custom protocol for like two years. You could just say something about it rather than saying like, nope. I don't talk about that stuff, but let Vermilion handle that but either way like I RV, I think they are protective in a way like we're going to burn them with something like you're saying and we just want we're just asking questions to like to know information. Like we just want to know do you like this guy? Is this guy going to play because that we times as Ron said we like, where are we? There is right now, we're not going to go out and make any moves and then a day later. They trade for like a corner from Buffalo or they started for like, you know, I remember they did that with Jared Allen when Charles Johnson got her a couple years ago and they traded and got it like yeah, I mean, that's a great move but it's like well, hey dude, you just said you're not going to make any moves you like where this team is right now. So what what is it? Yeah and becomes becomes more important to answer the question in a way. That sounds good. Then to answer the question - right there's hey you just had one. Of your leading sack guys go down. Are you guys going to make a move? Oh, no, we're happy with that. Why? Yes, of course. We're going to look at risk Josh. Why would you ask of course Josh? Of course, I'm gonna be if we don't reach out and discard the table. Where are we on the Streets Could you stay well and you know to bring it back to Burns and to now the other thing is they've drafted a slew of undersized pass rushers of draft the one last year, too. And M by five more often than not they're failures at any position. I think that would be it that the guys that them even Deshawn Hall like he was about to bring him up. Yeah. So what he's not even on the team anymore. Yeah, just gone. He simply Randleman in the in New York. Is it an amount of all right. Yeah get drunk. I mean you can go back to guys like Eric Norwood coming out of South Carolina like there you have had numerous guys. I mean even even Haynes like is still we're still in a wait-and-see, you know pattern with him. I just had Been impressed at their job at the job. They've done selecting slight pass rushers and yet here we are drafting a first-round slight past pressure and that gives me it gives me pause. But at the same time you can't watch Brian Burns played football and I go well if he can do that in a panther uniform, we're gonna like him just fine. I mean some of those little like Drop steps that he does the artist like holy Toledo like they're just they just put he put a bunch of tackles on skates that you just don't see very often and good tackles to it's not like he was playing at Toledo. And and playing against nobody's is playing against real real real people and it is totally don't mention it. Yeah. I try. Well I said Toledo but I was like that is a small school. So I'm gonna throw it out there the secret word of some sort like actually get paid ten dollars every time so we're Toledo is where it is. This episode is sponsored by Toledo the city of Toledo by the city of Toledo go see it not as crappy as you think that's actually better. Northeast Ohio in general well, you've been through worse they call it the Rust Belt for no reason. What was the brass cos the Brassica just came up with some sort of weird tagline like that like oh, yeah. That's what I feel like a Brassica. Yeah, we're better than me. I mean, they just owned it. We're we that place in The Wizard of Oz I don't know. That's maybe they're all the same exactly. We're all the same. Check us out there flat to know 2019 light went on moving on. So one guy that they did praise a lot was Greg Little. Did you like this move to go up and get him do they give up too much for that? I have a I have a cake. Okay shocking steam optic. Yes, so hot. I think that they wanted to I think Greg Little was in was in conversation. About the 16th pick and I think if you saw that guys sitting there at the end of the first round they were going to do anything and everything to go back and get him. They you heard from I think it was Max or somebody else tweeted out like they tried to go back into the first to get out of those and if you if so for me if they haven't graded this highly and on the right report.com, which I encourage everybody to go check out. That's the right report.com Vincent Richardson our draft analyst had Greg Little at his as his know. Number one tackle and so I think that the Panthers had him rated the same way and so they said to themselves. Okay, we wanted a guy at 16, but we couldn't pass up Burns now, he keeps falling and falling and the price wasn't right to get back into the first round, but the price was right to go up and get him. And this is why you have an extra pick you have your extra cam picked. They let Norwell ghosts. They would have an extra pick in the third round when everybody was like, oh, well, they got four in the top 100. This is why you have On the top 100 is so you can go back up and get a guy that you want that you think is falling and if and if they just drafted their left tackle of the foreseeable future, it doesn't matter that they gave up 77 to go up and get them if they gave up next year's first if they gave up a big 77 is inconsequential if Greg Little is the left tackle for the next 12 years in a Panthers uniform. I do not understand and you're right about the first round grade. I heard I heard similar things about him being in the mix at 16. And so they at the very second the you say the Panthers have a first-round not only first round great but a middle of the first round grade on it trading a second and a third if you did that any day of the week any day of the week leading up to the draft, he would trade a second or third to get a to get it, you know a mid-round first you you would people be fine with it. And so to me, it's almost like they made a move there is a reaction of it's They made a move. I don't like the valuation the move therefore. This is a bad move and I I'm with you that if they think he's a first-round tackle and we'll see we'll see just like all of them. But if you have that grade that you're absolutely right there is zero problem with the price tag paid to go up there and get them. So if you went out if you take 77 and 47 and you trade it for 17, right because they would have if they could have gotten 17 for that price. That would have gone up and gotten Greg Little at 17. Is that a better trade because you traded back into the first round you got the same guy, but the Optics are you've moved up further to get it like that's it's all part of this made up. It's just this made-up nonsense about this draft chart it is it is complete and utter garbage and nonsense because it just here's here's why how many how many great players are in each draft? Well, guess what it changes. Well, don't you think then when that first tier is going to drop off that that's going to matter in that draft, but no. We just use the same chart every year every year. There's a same number of good players that come out and by the way positions of know these charts in these things that try and figure this stuff out a second and the third to get a what they believe is a first-round tackle. Yeah. Oh, yes the mock drafts. The reason everybody hates Greg Little is because he was being mocked at like 40 through 64 this entire period for some reason. He got the lady got the lazy moniker. Her the takes plays off moniker and it he never shook it. All this guy did was go out and play good football for four years at Ole Miss three or four years. I don't know for however many years edit point right here. Now. I'm just joking. We got it at the show. He went out and play good football at Ole Miss and put a ton of good tape out there. But because he had this 5-star recruit but couldn't get on the field as a freshman weird thing. He had something where they say, so Oft he's he takes place off. He's lazy. All that stuff is in the past. I didn't see any of that stuff on tape and if Marty and Ron are convinced that he is not soft and lazy and takes place off. Then I'm sold. I don't need Mel Kiper to tell me that he should have been drafted at 37 if they had if they wanted to get him go up and get him and I have no problem with it if if they are able to solve their left tackle problems for a Amount of time and the price tag is a second and a third think about that and I just in terms of cap and all the things like the money you spent on Matt Khalil and you know in the years past and but the first round picks that other teams like the capital that people have put into trying to solve that left eye if they get it right with a second third don't even like it's such a joke to think that anybody would be upset with that. That's great value. Yeah. This is your guy. This is who you wanted that the trade is worth it if like you like you said if he comes in and he's your left tackle for a decade or whatever then if It's worth it. If this was the guy on your board that you wanted it doesn't matter what the people on the outside say are all the experts because like regardless you wanted this guy and you were going to try and get him. So if he works out it's on you if he doesn't work out it's on you, but at least you got the guy that you wanted now on the field. I mean, we've heard all the things you play with Kyler Murray and high school, you know, he's a great player there and played well when he did get on the field and college and then it's hard to shake those and I feel like everyone always looks for a downside with everybody because you never see anybody on the draft board. That's just like all the pros and then there's no cons. So I mean the mean streak thing. I mean, yeah, like people could say he doesn't have a mean streak and you want your guys in the trenches to have a Mean Streak, but we don't really know how he's going to react as an NFL player until we see him in an actual game and I feel like I keep saying that but you know, it's going to be figured out when we see him on the field, but I think the good thing about him and just listening to him talk when he had the opening press conference. I mean, he's a guy that said he's competitive. He said he wants to beat his mom when they're playing what was Chess or something? Yeah that are Checkers or yeah, space they thought yeah, so like I mean he's like, you know, like you like to hear that you like a guy takes it personal when anyone basically breeds on his quarterback and he said that and he liked it the for the fact that he played with the mobile quarterback and Carla Marie and high school and he said he loves, you know, protecting for a mobile quarterback. He actually likes that better as opposed to somebody that just stands in the pocket. Now, he does have to work on his protection in the Run game and both Marty and Ron admitted that and he said he needs to get better that as well. But I mean, that's all learning. The process for these guys, I mean bringing this guy in and if he can become that left tackle that allows you to move the other guys back into their natural positions its Shores up the line a little bit because what have we been talking about the past year and a half like this line is a mess and you got all these guys out of position if they can figure that out and little turns out to be the left tackle and the other guys could slide into their strongest positions than it's all worth it. So, you know, yeah you went up and you got the guy that that that to me is like we keep saying it and the Thing is that before the draft. It's like well, we gotta address Edge rusher and offensive line and that's exactly what they did with their first two picks. They went out and got their number one a dresser. Obviously Bose was hot, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like their number-one guy that they could get and then they got their number one guy that they could get at both positions and we're like, well, I can't believe they traded out a you could have had chased win a witch at 77. Now guaranteed Hall of Famer. Yeah. Well, he does pay for the path. So he's probably going to be yeah, but it's like for me and I turned I did actually like Chase benefits. But whatever the problem is that like, it's you can't win you just can't win if you ants if they answer defensive and and left tackle. I mean what more could you ask of a draft great everything everything? Everything else is gravy if you get those two picks, right? What if you get your quarterback of the future? Well, dang. Are you trying to move the show along? Are we doing this ding? I'm gonna let you start. I was really disappointed in my fellow Panther fans on Twitter. That seems like a recipe. Nope. No arrested over. I'm going to fight this battle. I'm going to fight this battle real and not bot. So there's no no these are these are real people. These are real people because they yeah, they're real people know this is you know, we talked about a little bit the beginning that this is a young man. They picked it with the third it compensatory picking these third round. Okay anybody that if you're taking a So seriously, so seriously, that is a third-round compensatory pick that you must fire off. Not one not two but multiple salvos of tweets about how bad this pick was congratulations your Scrooge. You can gradually you have the tiniest heart that you could possibly imagine. Just imagine this get this isn't picking, you know, Steve Alford over over Reggie Miller back in the days that the Pacer the Indiana fans wanted to Pacers do This was a third-round compensatory pick. It has three digits in the pick. It means 99 other players have been picked out of just this class just this class and yet people are upset about this and to me, it's just a bummer because how this this gets like this is this is the dream this is the absolute dream and in a great spot and I think this kid we've seen this kid have Swagger. We've seen him kick butt on the football field here and he's played Out of football and I think they are better at backup quarterback that second they draft a will GE then they were even to back to the final years of Derek Anderson backup quarterback because he was he was not prepared to go and play football game. I think we'll gears and go out there have a chance to play for the Carolina Panthers his you know, childhood team in his hometown and that I'm excited to see that I'm excited to see him with Christian McCaffrey with DJ with all those guys on that offense because he's going to he's going to do things that cam doesn't Do and it's he's not going to be at that level, but I'm excited to see and I feel better about investing him for two or three years than I do anybody else that they brought in behind cam. Are we swayed by the fact that he's from here? It feels like the fact that because he's from here can't be a good pick. Okay, like it. I think it's I think it's well because when the Bobcats when the Bobcats Stardust kind of screen the Bobcat know it does I know it's AJ made the joke, you know, it's fine 30 minutes after I played with in draft status as high as you know, I didn't get it right. He got it, right JJ got a right JJ friend, but it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. No, but when they when the bark has drafted Raymond Felton and I'm a coming off of National Championship and it's like so now anytime there's a guy that's like local now Clemson's okay, South Carolina's it's like far enough. There's levels. Yeah. Yeah like that but you know, it's but I do think it worked against him because I think the people felt like I do think that people felt like it was a gimmick pick and to me I don't I do not I do not think that at all like I don't think there's you know, the The and part of it too is the Chris leak thing that that was a thing for a while to where it's like we had the hometown kid the went Florida just like will GE and did he go to Florida? I thought he went to West Virgina. Oh God, and then people for years would say. Hey, we should try them here. We should try them here. We should try them here and I think people and so that I don't know if there's either tinges of that that are that have hung over, but I do think that it played a role and I think it I don't know. I think people just wanted to be sour for He's on Twitter No, but no but this is Panther. Yeah, I get it. Right I get it but I'm saying this is Panther fans. Like this was Panther on Panther crime if Will Grier was goes on if he goes on Twitter and sees what Panther fans his hometown team saying about him right after he gets drafted. He's not, you know, he's bummed out. That sucks. I don't know. It's third recompensed or pick let the kid play some football before you were you guys surprised that he was there that he was there at 100 I was a little bit I so here's here is basically to me is what happened. The Panthers had will gears their third best quarterback on the board behind. I don't know Haskins and one of the other ones that went block Jones Kyler. I don't know one of those three guys, so they had will gers our third best quarterback on the board. He was there at the 100th pick either right behind them or at 102 the Pats were picking and they also are in the market for a Young quarterback. And so they said Of themselves if we want to get our guy just to be clear someone that they had ranked as the third best quarterback in the entire class and was available at 100. They said hey, this is a great value and perhaps the best player available. Let's go and get him out of position of need. Let's go and get them at 100. Now. I know everybody in their mom wanted Chauncey Gardiner Johnson who somehow everybody had watched tape on starting at like pick 90 and thought Chauncey Gardiner Johnson was the next comment section. Coming around a lot. But I think that again I did like to answer your Johnson also, but everybody he meets himself. I think I mocked him to the Panthers at 100. But I think that will Grier is was a guy that they had ranked hot they kind of did exactly what they're supposed to do. They have somebody ranked higher than their spot at 100. They know somebody is going to take him at 102 and I can and I said to a lot of people like if they bless on the new the Patriot anything with the Patriots was the Armani Edwards pick, so, let's see. Atoms are nice and private they knew never mind. No, but it but they did this patch went up and bought and got its to them. So they obviously they liked Greer to so those guys were both in the same class to me and just to go back for a second when the Panthers went up for Greg Little the pick after them. The bills went up for Cody forward. So it was obvious that those guys there were there were tackles on people's mind this these guys know more than we do about where other people are. Going and where the value is. Now all that being said, so I think that at 100 you have a guy that's rated highly on your board at a position need because the backup quarterback now is the best backup quarterback of Cam Newton's entire career. Sorry Derek if you're listening for because he plays golf. I think that it's all that being said, he also eats. Yeah, all that being said words out now. There were other places they could have gone at 100 and they could have made made an impact on their roster. But the reality is is this guy was most likely the best player available on Marty her knees board at a position to need so they went out and got him would it would I have done it maybe but I see where they're coming from. I know I'm just hedging everything that I say but like I see where they're coming from but at the same time it's like this is what you want them to do is go out and get a guy that they have ranked highly and trust their instincts. Their gut you say Marty her knee is great at the first round. These guys all have first-round grades. Yeah, I think if the Patriots had taking will Grier everyone would be raving about how great a picket was as a backup quarterback. Yeah, anything the Patriots do is great, obviously, but like I mean for the Panthers they've been talking about and even Ron said a couple years ago, they figured out when they had you know what Derek Anderson wasn't coming back that they had this change where they're like, we don't just need a backup quarterback. We need somebody we can groom for the future. So with Will Grier that's One that you can hopefully groom for the future because they saw Kyle and they saw Taylor heinicke and while they like those two guys, let's be real if they like them that much then they wouldn't have drafted will Grier, you know, yeah, so they if they like them that much they wouldn't have watched him watch yet. How do you think Panthers Twitter would have reacted if the Patriots took him do you think it would have been the opposite reaction like, why did why did you take him because he's from Charlotte and and we and they talked about they had visits with Will Grier so they talked. About how much they like this guy? So if they sense that someone else like we've said the Patriots were going to come up and take them then, you know, it's all like a chess game. They're all trying to figure out who somebody else is going to try and take and if they're going to take them before and they have them on their board. Then they're gonna take him before someone else can so if that's the situation and you know you want will Grier then at that position you take him at the risk of losing, you know, like there's other quarterbacks that were still on the board and like you said Stidham went after and I think Ryan Finley didn't go to the fourth round and you know you See some people out there that thought some of those guys that went after Greer were actually better quarterbacks. We're not going to note. So we see these guys on the field. Now. The one thing I notice about Greer is he's not as big as I thought he was when he was in the press conference room. Yeah, it looks kind of small but I find kind of small here. No, cuz I'm this is important. He's like, especially good I guess but I mean, you don't have to be big to be a quarterback like that. That doesn't go. I just thought you were grinding was to us all but he gets brownie points because he shook everybody every media. Remember, he shook their hands after he was done. Yeah, he really is a stand-up guy. I mean, I don't know if you need your quarterback to be a stand-up guy. You can be a jerk and be a good quarterback. Who knows but I did like that about him. I mean there are obviously knocks. He doesn't have the strongest arm of the world. But you know, we just played a season where the quarterback couldn't throw it for the 10 yards. So I mean if he could throw it further than 10 yards like him could last year then all right. We're already ahead of the game. Yeah, you know, so he's got intangibles. He has the ability to be a good quarterback. Obviously, he's going to sit behind cam. If we cams healthy to start the year, but he's going to be there to learn and he's going to be in the room with KM in whichever. You know what Kyle Allen and Taylor are still technically on the roster, right? So he just adds depth to the room as they say when you know, like they want him to be the back of the iron. But I mean, I also like it from a standpoint of it puts a fire under can because like this is the first time they've brought his successor in so he's staring at the guy that is could potentially take his job and like like yeah, of course, they're going to be cool now whatever but like, you know cans obviously been motivated and I think his ego took a hit last year and he's admitted that he's come out and talk about how it hurt him to not play well and to be hurt and to try and play through it and just realize that your career could be over like that. So now not only does he have that he has a guy in the room with him that could take his job. So if you need any more motivation Cam's got it so from a standpoint of motivating your qb1. This is a good thing. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the other thing and it's the elephant in the room. So we got to address it. Right. I mean Cam Newton's gonna be 30 years old and has had to shoulder procedures over the last two years like it is just it those are facts and whether or not you want to say like, well he can play for another six years. That's fine. That's great. We all hope that he does play for another six years at 2015 levels. But if he doesn't you cannot just put your head in the sand and pretend and and if it's not will Grier you wasted. The 100th pick in the draft which doesn't matter like that's that's the reality. You know, how many third round quarterbacks have been drought there are a ton of for third round quarterbacks over the last 15 years. And if your name isn't Russell Wilson, you haven't been good. So this is the time when he when he's going to turn 30 and you say Okay. So let's go get a guy in the third round. He can sit behind cam. Maybe he sits behind campers entire rookie deal and then you have to then you make your Jimmy. Pablo decision but this is what smart teams do is they go out and they address something before they absolutely have to because everybody keeps saying well if Cam's dead then then the season's over anyways his just tank but that is not the right attitude. You can't just tank out and try to go for 200 because to of might not be that good you got to take as many shots at the dartboard as you can and they did it with when you're going to do with a hundred pick in the draft and who gives a shit. It's one there's there's the other curse. Sorry I use both of them. And I think they really hit the sweet spot here because as we said in last week's show I was adamant that didn't want to see him use one of the first, you know, third round earth first three round picks. Yeah said that yep was the only and we all say 100 with the with the sweets. He was sitting right there and yet it doesn't I mean like it, you know, it doesn't look like they would have been there or he would have been there 115 so he would not he would not have so yes, so at 1:15, we're not having this conversation because it's a fourth-round pick and everybody's fine with it. We're quibbling over 15 pics with in the middle of the draft here. One of those pics was Chauncey Gardiner Johnson, but we're quibbling about 15 picks because nobody would complain as a fourth round or fourth round pick. The other thing is if you say well, I'd rather have seen them play later or wait later. Who are you getting there? Because I think there's a very real possibility as we just discussed with Cam shoulder that will girls going to play one game at least this season. I mean, would you would you place a wager? Campaign 16 games now, you know, he may come out and be full Brahma Bull and say I'm not sitting for anybody and that wouldn't surprise me. We've seen that of him before but based on the average the last several years. We're going to play a game and there's no but you're picking in the fifth sixth seventh round that you can feel better about going out there. Well, if anyone's trying to use this pic took like decipher what is going on with Cam and his shoulder and how healthy it is. This didn't tell us anything Marty Marty was adamant. He was adamant when they when they came in they literally pounded the table. Yeah, he's like he was adamant and and see but he was the felt like yeah, you just pounding the table because he was in tissie. This is the thing Marty was anticipating what the media reaction was going to be before he even got down to that room. And that's why they continue to have this negative tone and these press conferences when it should be upbeat because you're adding dude to the team. All right. I'm off that one saying that a little bit for cam to because yeah cam was gonna you know, that's true and if we know guys that a fragile ego, it's cam as much. He's like Brash and but you know, like he still I think to me you you said this and it like crystallized in my head. You said it like two years ago. How many years do we have to debate whether Cam Newton is still going to be the starter for the Carolina Panthers? Do we have to can we go one off season without it being like, well, you know, maybe this is the year when Derek Anderson starts like that that was those were actually conversations and when people they made a third-round pick the 100th pick in the draft and people are like well this guy should is he going to start over Cam Newton who won the MVP for seasons ago and drag these teams to their to the playoffs like this. It's utterly ridiculous. Like no one else has to deal with this. Do you know many quarterbacks? The Pats have drafted in Tom Brady's career. They've drafted 10 quarterbacks while Tom Brady's been on the roster including the coach of the Arizona Cardinals, they drafted and three of those quarterbacks they drafted. Before the Panthers drafted will Grier so this is what teams do if you want to go with the Patriots model. Everybody's like, oh you got to do what the Patriots do they go out and they make they look at Value and they go out and get somebody at the most valuable position that they think is good that they think is a good value. They let them learn and just in case something happens. Yet you have a back-up plan. That didn't not have a job for two months last year. Sorry Kyle. I love you if you're listening. Yes, that was so weird. I meant to go like this. I'm a drill like this. You're looking right at the other Josh and then I went no, I went right down the barrel and oh my God, there's no way that that's not going to be in the trailer right seasoned rice. Let's run through the rest of these guys pretty quickly. Are you all right? No, I might we might need to stop your acting like you're acting like the Panthers just draft a quarterback at 100 and then I did some sort of weird kissing peace sign towards the that's run through a Sammy Sosa. I was trying to know your why did you like man you panic? You're like I don't this fourth and fifth round picks Christian Miller and Jordan Scarlet Josh one. Am I Josh one or you Joshua? He's still I think you're Joshua and I'm going to call him big dog to get him back to life. Thanks. Thanks, little dog. Thanks. Thanks. What do you think of these guys? So Christian Miller Another like you talked about how the the biggest secret is to switch it to a 3-4 defense. This is another point that that's very evident with Miller because he could play Edge rusher he could slide to linebacker. I mean the big question with him is durability because he didn't miss the miss National Championship Games past season the hamstring the year before torn by step. So if he could stay healthy, he's got the size. He's got the speed. He's got the moves to be a good Edge rusher and he comes from a good program and Bama. So you like that big question mark I had down with him is just his ability to stay healthy, but you also want one of these Edge rushers like you said to work out George Scarlett speaking of question marks. I mean this dude had what he suspended two different seasons for what you had the whole credit card fraud thing and his junior year the marijuana possession is freshman year, and all right, so they talked about going into the Draft, we want a guy cuz I mean the biggest not kept secret last year was Christian character going to touch the ball every single possession. So you want a guy that you can bring in that can do the similar things that McCaffrey can do so does Jordan do that? I mean all we saw from him was him rushing the ball and and in the post, you know presser they talked about like, yeah, he didn't have that many opportunities to catch the ball the backfield, but from what we've seen he has that ability to do that. Well, he didn't really do it at Florida. I mean, yeah, he picked his spots and you look good and And then he didn't look so good. So he's kind of inconsistent and my biggest thing with them if you're going to draft a running back, you gotta use my camera's Pains been on that team for how long it feels like 20 years. And I mean, I'm in the camp with just let the guy go play somewhere like you're just holding him hostage because when he does fill in he plays decently, well, I need to keep the value High. I think if he gets one step if he gets a scuff on them the value just plummets, whatever either way so If you're going to bring Jordan and yeah use them in the later rounds, I would hope that he's going to get some kind of opportunity to play but I still feel like he's going to be there as a backup and it's McCaffrey, you know gets hurt then maybe you play him but I still feel like this is the McCaffrey offense. So, you know, he's good if he works out. If not, I don't think there's anything against yeah, I mean the draft the draft is hard, right? Yeah. It's like everybody after after pick 99 is like well if they don't work out then who cares you just cut them. It's fine like Deshawn Hall is anybody really morning? The Deshawn Hall era. He was picked higher than will Grier picked higher than Jordan Scarlet higher than Christian Miller and they cut him after one season and everybody. Nobody really cared like that. It is what it is on these late round picks. I think Christian Miller it was weird. I've actually feel like they did a little bit of this with their whole draft class where they looked at guys that had one flaw that caused them to fall down draft boards like Brian Birds too small Greg little soft. So Christian Miller has Drink problems, Jordan Scarlet breaks, the law all the time doesn't have hands. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah exactly. Dennis daily is is only has one leg like these things are like the they had like one flaw exactly. When a natural right tackle. Yeah, he's well, he's right like so he's that's what he's he's guys are just trouble kicking over. Yeah, let's say you should see the slide something. They've never seen before got that hop-step. Yeah, exactly. We it's unbelievable. You should see him pull. No God. All right, and the show we've good Lord. I had a point they went for these guys that had a flaw that had them caused fall down other draft boards and something that they felt like they either they could fix or was being over valued or over stimuli like was causing too much of a problem. I just and so they went out and said, okay Jordan Scarlett. That people have a sixth-round pick on him or six round grade because he steals credit cards. He's not going to steal credit cards when he's got a $600,000 then I mean, it's just a stolen credit. Yeah, exactly. Whatever. Well, I'm sure it's not even still I'm sure some sure like an agent or somebody gave him a stolen credit card and whatever smoke weed and one of his freshman, like if that's illegal. It's lock me up. That's your limitation is out. Anyway, you're good. You know what? I like about Chris Miller. I'm hard-pressed to think you could find a better pass rusher that knows how to play the position and day 3 situation in Christian Miller and look, you know tits is he gonna be able to stay on the field? That's that feels like the only question because if he is he has the moves I like the fact that it feel like between him and Terry Godwin even will Grier that they got guys that I feel like no safety finally start appreciating, you know, Christian McCaffrey grew up in a football household. It seems that did he gives them a lot gives a little leg up seems to have some you know thought about football more than the other, you know, a lot of other people and I think and a three you look and even including career that you look and they got guys that are football household guys. I know that that sounds like one of the old draft cry things but when you watch Christian Miller, you can tell that he has played and thought about a lot of football because of how varied he is out there on the field and that is something that's it. As a tremendous asset to get out of a day three pass rusher word. Normally. It's like well, he's strong as an ox. He's got some quickness and he's got his one move, you know, but we're going to try and teach him, you know, call this. Yes. I also really like I like Dennis daily. They said in the press the presser after the draft. They said we really like our guys they all it was like 5 SEC guys and ACC guy in a big 12 Big Ten. I don't know where's old missed is that SEC? That's what I thought you were messing with, West, Virginia. Thought that you're confused on on them. Yeah. What is that? We're back to Big Twelve, right? Yeah. I only know about big dogs. I think only one in this conference. That's right the big one. Nope. Nope. That was awkward. Sorry for that, but they made a point of saying we wanted these guys that played against a hot high level of competition somebody like Dennis daily is not going to be asked to go in and start right now, but they had nothing Behind These tackles. So if If you if you are saying okay. Well Darryl Williams are Taylor milk is going to swing over and play left guard. Now you're in a position where it's Greg Little and one other dude at tackle and it's like well, who's the Isaiah battles the backup at least you got a guy that you may you may be like as your fourth tackle. So that's it for Dennis daily and Terry Godwin I guess is damir bird 2.0 and this probably gonna get hurt all the time, but maybe not even make the team so not sorry. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, okay, we're gonna slow down because Jordan Scarlets the day three guy, that's not going to make the team because Do you want to bet I'll take Holyfield over Scarlett. I forgot they sign Holyfield Holyfield over scarlet and the in a Georgia versus Florida battle. I think if it's Holyfield versus Godwin they're taking Holyfield. I think they would rather have three two rookie running backs, then then that will keep rookie wide receiver. I think they're terrible Terry Audubon and active list. All right. All right. I think Terry Godwin is better than everybody else that you think is in Terry Godwin's class on this roster. I think Terry Godwin has a chance. Has to be Jarius bird in the long-term like for like if you think what Jerry's bird was remembered our Jarius Jairus Jairus, right? Jerry stranger Focaccia. Sorry, I can't well I can play Whispering as a businessperson. Yeah. Um, I watched him a Georgia he caught but he would catch balls on third down all the time. And I think he is the kind of guy that can be that that security blanket. He is still a little undersized. That's why last as long as he did but I like him better than any of the guys that we've had in the not really a wide receiver, but we're going to throw him out there for ten plays the Philly Browns. I think he has a chance to be better than that crop of guys that was actually his comp on nfl.com with Corey Brown. I'm sorry, excuse me, sir. Philly yes, well now that we're out of the draft there's some noticeable holes in the roster still to is there one that we had a song about I feel like college should start because I mean he made a song for this. So this is for Josh because I said I said I didn't buy it. I didn't think this is I've been I've been fooled for a decade. I wasn't getting fooled anymore and I was happy to hand the torch over. So how was it? How was it being the guy that was that was optimistic about a free safety on draft weekend. Here's my thing. I think that once we got past a certain point once they got to will Grier at a hundred and they passed by our guys Chauncey Gardiner Johnson who may or may Not be the best safety is ever lived. Once that didn't happen at 100. They're just signing a free agent. Like it's just one hundred percent true. So instead of being like well, we drafted this guy in the fifth and we're real excited and Ron can come out and be like, well, we like it does a lot of nice things and he does a great job out there and we're really excited about how corn Elder looks at save. We're going to give them a real look and Cole Luke is a guy that we really like instead of that. They just didn't get a safety the board didn't fall the way they wanted it to and now they just go out they Restructured Luke's contract for a reason they have 14 million dollars worth of Space 7 of it is going to go to the rookie class. You got seven million left two million of that is for Trey Boston Mike Mitchell Darian Stewart Glover Quinn, like one of these guys that's not the best safety in the world. It's we've been playing this game for since the Hornets head Scotty Burrell as they're shooting guard howdy parole. Knows I've got fucker Coleman and bring him back. I mean, would you be surprised if Kurt Coleman he was at Jason Azusa. Yeah now that's a much is nothing left in the tank. But I love Kurt. Yeah, I or Mike Adams for that matter. I mean, whatever bring it back we will last you gray. Like the problem is that it has been a philosophy for her for a while now. Yeah, that's the trouble but that's they go ahead free safety is a tough position to to put big draft capelin for a lot of Because it feels like it's a position you can take away. Like if you know how they've got the greatest free safety plays great Centerfield. Well, we're not going to throw We're not gonna throw deep. You know, we're going to do do those things this thing good though. Don't you want people to not throw deep? Well, but it depends because I mean, you know like yes, but then against the quarterbacks that matter they can they can operate, you know, I gotta bring a really good point Twenty Yards. Okay. All right, damn it. So I think that's why you think for for the fans like you see the interceptions we see the plays and I think it leads to two safeties getting pushed up draft boards, but I think a lot of times these guys feel like they are you know on the football side that find to do this not going to let someone get behind him. And after that it's you know, yeah, I mean as long as they don't sign Eric Berry to like a six million dollar contract, I'm fine. I get it. Nicky is so mad that I even said as mentioned his name like the old juice. It's like Beetlejuice that Twitter is going to start talking about it. Like well, I haven't. Oh there they were a suit of cgj. Didn't get drafted in a hundred that close you can call him that that's my God. He's gvr it's funny. Yeah, it's true. It's funny in the draft. Were you there on Friday night Friday night. What day was Wednesday through now? That's Friday night yet. They through Saturday. Yeah. No, but when when all the Chauncey Gardiner Johnson Friday and we like at about pick 85 we started joking around about like who we thought it was going to be because I'll be perfectly Frank in the media room when it was midnight. And it seemed as if Will Grier is going to be the pick reporters were unhappy because it meant that we're going to have to stay for a really long time. And so we were like why don't they just draft Chauncey Gardiner Johnson will write a draft Panthers can fill their safety hole and then we'll get it get the F. Oh, maybe I'll have a nice Whiskey on the way home, but then it will Grier and you gotta that's a whole thing. So it's a whole thing, but I think that there and so we kept being like Chauncey card hits happening and then it didn't happen. So what? other noticeable holes on this roster Um, I think if they are if it's at the three four, they probably need another defensive lineman, which I think they're probably going to go out and get a guy that you've never heard of that will someone will inevitably fall in love with and be like Alan Bailey's my guy. I love them like which is the way it is with most defensive lineman, but exactly didn't people probably weren't excited for the Kyle love signing in the first place. But then when they re signed them everybody was like yeah. Yeah. We got it back, baby. Championship they like him in those little half shirts. Yeah. Well the call out. Oh, yeah proud as hell crowd, you know loud and proud gotta be. Hey Cody, you'll he's probably out there somewhere. Well, he probably is a pot. Yeah, they you're not right. You're not Raphael defensive. Yeah, they could probably use it. Well in the Super Bowl though, it's my walked along with the DVD just hands it out to people don't they need a nickel Corner still? If I don't they have them write what they hired what do we believe in corn and corn and and Kevon and who's that? There's another one and Rashawn gaulden right is I think what I think they're I think gold is gonna be there nickel corner. Like they don't just say that kind of stuff and why I'm here also when you want you want sorry. I feel like calling because I get mad but it's like you're gonna let me know that you want you want you want the Panthers to draft the safety in the third round, but they did that last year and he's not going to be on the team in 2021 like these they don't it doesn't Work every time and so then it's like sorry like these pet these pics don't work all the time and it's just frustrating like it's just everybody thinks every pick is going to be either All Pro or if they didn't go with the guy that you wanted then he stinks. He's probably somewhere in the middle after the fantasy team at some point and they think that they know they are GM they get it figure it all out, you know, the Bruce Irvin sine Phi D end and 3/4. Is he playing or that you think they're going to? I mean, I think he's the one of the outside linebackers and a three four. I think you could probably both. So I think he's going to do a little bit of both and like I think they that they you know, they love those those versatile guys that can play. Yeah, exactly. But I think yeah. Those are the tough spot for Mario though. So yeah feel like he's kind of the odd man and he was the one that get you know, finally got guys payday, but God has page a though. Yeah, that's true. Count your money. Yeah, exactly count your money and then and then sign. More like one one year seven million dollar deal like Charles Johnson did and then ride off your team leader. And then have a ridiculous press conference where you were a funny-looking suits and it is this why there is this why they're keeping Vernon Butler, you know, they can see him to see what he may be able to be in the nose I guess is what they say like, he's big. Yeah. Do you ever see a picture of Vernon Butler on draft night? Like he weighs like a hundred pounds more than he did on draft night that cannot be true, but it's but it acts but he looks It's like here I'm gonna just pull it up and then Tire Brian Burns and then you guys in this audio medium can can can listen to us react to yeah, or how Tavern and Bubba guess you smell 20 pounds. Oh do I need to look up as wait, but I'm just so I'm telling you by like looks look at that. Does that is that what Vernon Butler looks like now? I don't know. No, he looks like Vernon Butler is humongous now. Alright, I'll be pulling up a picture of her Butler there in a second. All right, here we go. How much do you weigh? Look at that? That's for Annabelle. When he was drafted, okay, sorry listeners and by the sorry, I mean nobody. You're welcome 2019 I guess for 2018 because he didn't take a lot of pictures in 2019 years young is Graham Graham has his debts. He's probably got his all on there. Oh, he's squatting there. Come on, you guys. All right. I'm sorry. Well, he'd just gone through the draft process, you know, yeah. Yeah, you know Yeah, alright. Alright. Well, it's let's end this yeah us looking at pictures. All right. Well, I was once a I'm is optimistic about those a 3 as I've been it was really pretty much a big dad. I really feel like they each one of these guys. They've got their own obstacle. They wet their own hurdle, but I feel like all of these guys if they can get over that hurdle you feel like I could see them on an NFL field and to get that and day three I think is nice job by the guys. I looked much as Terry Godwin at the it playing for the Orlando Apollo's just tearing it up you it's fine. It's fine. Yeah that an AF T. It was I wouldn't even did you get a GG Jersey before? No, but they're probably on sale right now probably super cheap. Can we play a game? Yes game time game time Camp 2 K 1. So rank 1 to 99. We are doing draft class grades who wants to go first? Colin oh, oh I get to go first on this one. Hmm because you're the only person not named Josh or Nikki. I'm gonna give this I'm gonna give this a solid Wesley Walls. I think this is easy five. You got looked they went and got two of their top guys at the two positions that you would want them to get in this draft. They traded to get up for it. I am not convinced. Anybody else is going to be a bona fide starter, but I think all these guys have a chance. I give it a solid solid be great. Okay, Josh one. I'm gonna give it a Greg Olson. It is like a nice hair the other day. That's what the ability to slide to an a - a 91. I don't even know whose 91 cocks. Yeah. Yeah. All right, but I set for the mere fact that I think they got from their standpoint. I give it an 88 because I think they got what they wanted for the most part. I think they filled, you know, they addressed the trenches getting you know, you know. Basically two guys on the line offensive line two guys in the defensive line. They got a backup quarterback and will Grier they got what they I mean, they got what they were looking for like whether these guys pan out or not. That's still yet to be seen But at the moment I feel I think better about this draft than I did last year. So idiot feels about right to me. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's wait it's weird. It's weird because last year I got it great are skilled at 350 burrito. Big dog so much Vernon Butler waste, thank ya. You're not wrong. So it's interesting that you mentioned last year right? Because last year, I feel like we were we were like, oh, well DJ more that was the guy they wanted and then everybody else. You were like like Dante Jackson. Did anybody know who Dante Jackson was before the draft started? I didn't and yes others lady Williams. Yeah, so it's like I knew that they I knew who Greg Little was I knew they'd like Greg Little and for them to go out and get their first round guy in the second round. That's that's a pretty good grade to me, and they exactly they did exactly what they wanted. So I will give it a moose in Muhammad from their perspective, but from an outside perspective. I'm going to give it a Blake brocker Meyer. I think they're I'm not I need to see one of these late guys Purdue's before you call it a good draft class because the first two guys should be good like you, correct you Would you should always nail your first round pick like everybody gives hurting a lot of credit, but that's what you should do is you should nail the first round pick just because the Raiders went out draft the Cleveland Farrell at for doesn't mean that it's great that you didn't do that like that is you have to nail that first-round pick and then that's how you keep your job. And then you are good at your job by nailing second third fourth fifth. That's when you're that's when you're good at your job. So you're saying going up to picked in. You'll Jones at six. Hmm. What's this? Is there really a good first round my dear probably not. That was odg. Yeah God, he's crazy. Right like it's doesn't but the thing about that is if you can like black out and forget that the rest of us was our rest of it was actually pretty solid. Yeah. Well, they they traded Odell Beckham for jabril peppers and and Christian Wilkins. That's not he's not ideal. I still think that has to be Under Trade, I do. Yeah, you've said that before I think for me honestly and so here's the other thing that we all know that that goes back to the Panthers to is if Daniel Jones is really good then David gettleman. Looks like Ajit. We're all blasting every him for being like well, that was our number one quarterback and don't get me wrong. He could be terrible. He went to Duke. So I'm sure he some no one has ever drafted a terrible quarterback in the top 10 exactly especially like in like a draft like when like Even when they were saying there was the hardest was the cover of Sports Illustrated. The hardest pick was going to be between cam Blaine Gabbert. Who is the third one? I remember Jake Locker. Yeah. Yeah out of that guy. Yeah exactly exactly is still phenomenal that we fall in the same traps time it like with with the draft even when it happens. We're just like oh but it's team specific. It's very much team specific because like the look at the Raiders I get people wanted to clown the Raiders for the picot 4 and then there was like quietly. There's a lot of analysts. Well, I had him at him at six actually had him at eight. So it's not really that crazy, you know, but then other people like no no, he's outside the like well, but there's other people saying that he could be just as good to yeah, and he's a great guy and they were trying to do their culture thing. I'll tell you I'll take it further just show you how specific how the team specific stuff this this weekend. We had the Chiefs had their situation with the Tyree kill audio coming out, but I don't know if you noticed but when the the trade between Seattle and And Kansas City now now because Frank Clark is on the Chiefs now people care that he had an incident in college, right? I'm sorry, but he went because that was right when Greg Little and all that stuff was going on here and then Seattle who everybody loves because they're Progressive and they build planes and coffee and they're just they're so smart up there in Seattle. They got a needle and stuff. It goes to space. I think any little accent that's it is so it's how we talk about him down here because we're dumb down here Josh on if you figured that out. We're done. I'm new to this. Yes are no because he could see when you're from Seattle from San Francisco. You're just you're just you're great people and your Progressive and you never do anything wrong. And so it's why when their owners do things like, you know, cut Colin Kaepernick or draft, you know draft guys the like beating on women and hotel rooms that it's okay and it's only when they moved to a team like Kansas City that now five years later four years later all of a sudden people go. Oh, how are they going to do it now adding Frank Clark he's Been playing for a team you guys love for four years and no one cared. No one cared on draft day. No one cared until the day he signed with Kansas City and guess what can see doesn't have the same pull and here we go. Let's start. I mean they've done it to themselves. They made their bed, but the idea that now five years later they have to deal with this Frank Clark nonsense when Seattle just goes well, we draft mrs. Good football player and and we are in a culture here and Seattle that we preach growth and Coming off schools, and we just that's how we view it. But those people down there. They just like people that beat on women. Telling you it's true. It's true. I don't even know where to go. Now. I was no it's I'm saying that this is team splits the Raiders the traitors draft pick was going to be clowned that the way we treat teams. He is predetermined but a Cattleman is a buffoon because he's because he's a buffoon never nobody mentions. Nobody mentions that the dude had a team that was 15 and one not one person. Not one person. There's not another GM in that entire freaking draft outside of Bill Belichick that has that and nobody nobody can remember four years. Back, I mean come on like this. The DAC is the the deck is stacked that the the way the roles people are supposed to fill our what they want to fill and that's the way that these draft picks get treated more often than that. It's the same thing that I've been saying is that it's the mock draft culture that we're in is like when you see somebody so Cleveland Farrell never got mocked in the top eight, right like what he was mocked at like nine sometimes and like there were times people had him going in the top 10, but no one had him going at For so it's got to be a reach now personally, I think it was a reach but that that idea that like because I've never seen Kuiper put him at 4:00. He can't possibly be that good and the same thing for Greg Little you don't see Greg Little at 16 very often somehow over the course of the season over the course of the offseason since the season ended Greg Little stock has gone way down. He used to be a top 10 top 15 top 20 pick, but then as the combine got closer as the as the off season wore on. Always kind of a sec around the I don't even know if he's worth a second but these guys are because you don't see them being mocked somewhere. Then you think to yourself? Well, that guy's a reach because I saw a mocked at 22 and they took him at 16 or that guy's a steal because he's projected to go in the third round on nfl.com and I've they took him in the fifth. I've never even seen his name before but we that was a steal because he should have gone in the third according to what zuerlein wrote. Yeah, and he has to do 400 of those. Yeah, and he hates and but I hate zuerlein because Heap and our draft class ridiculous. It's an asari ridiculous. Probably out there. You know what ridiculous this right work. So, I'm sorry get off my lawn. That's right. Get off of my lawn Josh one. Where can the folks find you on the interwebs and whatnot. I'm all over the interwebs. I got a couple tapes. I got to take down but no no no. Draft Josh pre-draft. Yes on Twitter at Josh Fox 46 on Instagram Jay Sims 2 8 7 Facebook Josh Fox 46. Wow, and you have a Facebook fan page? That's pretty silly. That's fun. I'm very into myself. Nice does is a followers and then you catch me on are pretty much Wednesday through Sunday. So tune in check me out watch my boy will come Uncle as well and And yeah, we talk sports. He'll be on the show this season probably so yeah, I forgot what I was gonna say. Damn it. I got distracted by talking about will conkle he does other people it happens and the Romper. Yeah remember that. Yes. He did wear a romper. It's a 20-degree weather that happened. Yep. Did you really in 20-degree weather? It was cold that day. I remember what I wanted to say. How do you go be kind of robbers? I'm just going to the 2019 draft and you haven't deleted your old tweets like come on. On guys like wow, that should be your number one thing that you have when I declare for the NFL, I'm deleting everything in my tweet history. Boom done start from scratch on the internet. Yeah how our parents not giving this advice forget agents. Like, how are you Mom? Hey, hey Junior. I know you were dumb for a little while when you were younger. So come over here. Probably still yeah conversation like it. Took what 10 seconds for someone to be like look at this terrible tweet that years ago. Yeah, but that now now it's a game now those people are playing a game. Yeah, but it's like the but well the Chiefs they don't have the yeah, it's you know, they don't care about they don't have a good culture over there. And by the way, they're all great picks for the Browns right there. Of course take everything that yeah. That's right the wrong nothing wrong. Now you definitely did it happen. The switch has been flipped. They did. He definitely didn't draft a kicker in the fifth round. So Lord the Bucks did though. Did you guys see that the Bucks drafted a kicker? Damn you Tampa Bay column. Where can they find you? My deck because it has been lovely. It really has it has been lovely beautiful at Colin CLT on Twitter big dog. You can find me at big dog with two WS on do you aw big? Yo dog, you find me at Josh Klein rules on Twitter and I think that's pretty much it, right? Yeah, I think so don't believe in the other social media. So here's the thing is I actually somebody He told me that I should make my Instagram private and I was like why is that and then they were like well because like you put pictures your wife and your dog and your house on there and I was like, what is this taken? Yeah, go ahead. Like I don't know. I don't know but then I followed that I was like, yeah, I guess I'll do that sure and then so don't follow me on are you know, what fought request to follow me and I will break it. They hear Kyle Bailey today, by the way, so let's talk about his wife's feet. Anyone here that no. Yeah, it's someone in the grocery store followed his wife down an aisle and told her she had nice feet. I take it all back do not Man on Instagram the whole rant on the rated that's what happened on my way over. That's what else listen to to prep for this. Wow. Billy talking about someone's stalking his wife in a Publix. Yeah, don't because I'm going to show you a Time Hop when we're done that am L. Forgot. Yeah message. I got from somebody random on Facebook. That's all me. Yes that said I should show my feet more and I was like, yeah that's actually not rare because like 90% of our female anchors at the station get people reaching out to them about their feet. Big Rex Ryan. I mean, he loves feet. You look so horrified. I'm not do so weird. Like what do you what do you want from me? No, I mean we are we're weird. It's true Are there women that have more attractive feet than like cuz I'm just thinking like I've seen some feet and I think all feet are ugly unless you know that episode the office where she goes Angela goes to the nail salon and they love her feet because they're so tiny. They're like baby feet. Yeah, maybe small feeder. Yeah, but now you're saying that you like, baby. Baby fee that's weird. Babies are cute Yeah Anna baby, but not on a real person. Well, it wasn't they got to have enough feet to walk around a balance. Angeles feet are not actually baby size feet. They're just small. I think they call are like baby feet. I don't know not a very original thickness baby. Yeah, they call me Big Dog the call her baby feet, you know, that's how he D of B F with the 28th pick. That's when it's going to draft Carolina Panthers like baby food. What terrible? Value what her in this value to trade it back to 33 gotten baby feet. That's where you pick the big dog. Is that 28 things got why didn't you trade back every every Pig? Why didn't they trade back? This has been one day contract part of the right Network powered by Ortho Carolina. Josh is not ready for this at all were, you know, I don't have any songs. Oh.

Josh Sims of Fox 46 joins the show to recap the 2019 Draft Class, make some bets on whether Jordan Scarlett or Terry Godwin will be more successful and recap the entire draft and what the Panthers still have left to do before the season starts. If you want to skip straight to the football talk and miss the hilarious song parody, spoiler talk and what happened in Season 1 of Game of Thrones - as well as definitively realizing who and who is not the big dog - you'll want to go right to the 12:05 mark. Once they start talking football, they'll discuss whether Brian Burns can make an immediate impact, why going up and getting Greg Little was the right decision and when exactly the Panthers should have taken a quarterback - both in terms of draft pick and year. Oh, and they break a BIG SECRET that the Panthers have been trying to keep under their hat for the entire offseason. They'll then talk which holes the Panthers need to fill in free agency --- **coughcoughsafetycoughcough** -- and what the plans are heading into 2019. Plus, they go Cam to Kawaan on the Panthers draft class! One Day Contract is a proud part of The Riot Network, powered by OrthoCarolina. Rate, review and subscribe to help spread the word about your favorite Panthers podcast!

Hello, everyone. Wow, what a nice surprise for all of us since it was almost Christmas. We at Urban impact wanted to share something special with you something. Nobody has ever heard before for those who don't know who we are. We are an agency from Berlin scouting connecting and helping startups to grow in Europe. My name is Sophie. I'm part of urban impact. And I'm your host for this episode this format a podcast has been in our minds for a while now, and we wanted to take this opportunity to publish or first episode around Christmas. We call this podcast City Rebels as it is focusing on people that make a real difference for us and their cities these people the city Rebels understood the issues of today and they want to change them through our work. We have met some of them this and last year. Realizing that the Amazing Stories out there which most of you are so included haven't even heard about yet. So this episode we had the chance to talk to Anthony Townsend some of you might know about him already, but let me briefly introduce him and Tony wrote a book called smart cities Big Data Civic hackers and the Quest for new Utopia in 2013. And we believe that he was one of the first at that time to say, hold on guys. Saturday is not the corporate Utopia. Everyone's trying to tell you about it is rather the diversity of actors in the city's bottom-up or also known as Grassroots movements that bring real change into our city. For example through Civic hacking and Anthony brought together those stories in his book. So long story short Antony was the one opening up the debate on city Rebels and we believe that he was the first one of his kind in doing so, so let me take you back to the Time when you're honest Dominic actually met Anthony in the info tab back in November 2018, which is an innovation space of all Berlin utility companies that you're off campus Insurance Berg Antony came to Berlin for a week and after showing him around the Capitol and introducing him to some of the Smart City activities going on here the three sat down to record this episode together. So let's say we keep it original 60 Minutes full length, and we hope you can gain as many amazing insides as we could back then during our conversation with him. The interview is all about smart cities how he grew up and how childhood experiences can transform and shape our lives and also about his upcoming book ghost Road. He is currently working on and which will be published next year. All right, let's jump straight in and apologies for the sound quality in some parts, but we hope you enjoyed anyway, alright cool. So maybe let me start Anthony really really thrilled to have you here with us also for those couple. Of days in Berlin really great to also like having had all of those conversations already with you. And so I'm sitting here also with with Dominic and we're in the infra lab right now on the Euro of Campus, which is sort of the model district for sustainable urbanization in Germany. So I think it's quite a neat place to be in for a little conversation. And what I actually wanted to start off with is ask About sort of like what brought you to this whole Mobility topic like what inspired you like? What was your trajectory personal trajectory your personal interest in it? Well, I've been looking at the intersection of Technology broadly, but specifically information communication technology and cities for over 20 years when I was a teenager. I got my first computer. I lived far outside the city and I used my modem my 300 baud modem, which is about you know, the slowest way you could tell communicate ever to you know, reach across the landscape and try to connect to the city connect to the pre-internet the Proto internet the world of information that was starting to link up and for me. A way of traveling even though I couldn't really travel to the city. And so that that that like substitution of telecommunications and Mobility was something that like I understood from a very very early age very intuitively and so as I grew up and That became a reality for lots more people and lots more ways. Where did you grow up in New Jersey and Southern New Jersey at the beach in a resort town? So the town I lived and went from a population of a hundred thousand on a busy summer weekend to 5,000 in the middle of the winter. You know, they would they would turn the traffic signals off from you know, red and green to blinking. Was a depressing. Yeah, I mean change it change. If you ever listen to like Bruce Springsteen songs like that sort of the soundtrack of my life growing up like these empty beach towns. So, you know, we look to technology is like exit, you know, Springsteen had fast cars. We have my fast computers, right? That was like that was like our way of figuring out how to how to get out and So eventually she did get out through the university in the city and grew interested in how cities and computers were were coming together and that snowballed over the years and eventually became this thing that people started calling smart cities and I ended up at MIT studying with Bill Mitchell who was the one that actually coined that term in the early to was this he he he started Group, I was there in the late 90s when he was the dean of the architecture school, and it was after he left that that post and went over to the media lab. He started a group called The Smart cities group at the media lab in like 2002 2004 was very early than that was yeah. That was yeah before I be. Yeah. Yeah, and that was when as I understand that term first bike really entered the Larry I don't know if he borrowed it from somewhere else. Unfortunately, he passed away before I got to ask him. But yeah, then IBM borrowed it and changed it to smarter cities because I guess they couldn't trademark smart cities since he had already used smart cities. What about but it's okay. What about his description sort of like so he taught how we discussed, you know inspire. You like what was it? How did he describe it? But let me answer your question about Mobility first. So the interest in Mobility was not just because like that had been a problem that that isolation for me. It was a very personal thing that you know, I understood but also because that is the area where I've seen this technology and this movement like really impact people's lives, you know. know there are a lot of sectors of urban infrastructure urban government Urban Services where people are identifying opportunities and seeing it's you know, exciting things that are possible whether its energy or Public Service delivery or health or what whatever it is where Information Technology can make a big difference but many of them have been very very slow to to be realized Energy is a great example of when we're like it's just a massive socio-technical economic shift that has to happen and there's big barriers to the shift in all three have to change people's habits. We have to change the economy and have to change the whole infrastructure and a technology-based and it's a lot of things that have to get unlocked together and it's it's happening because happening slowly. And a lot of its invisible and transport it just things have lined up. They've lined up, you know part of its chance part of it is luck. But it's lined up in a very tangible way part of it is a fact that consumer economies have been harnessed. You know, we've seen startups come in we've seen entrepreneurs come in and find the opportunities and exploit them. We've seen investors get excited and dump money in. we've seen Regulators both get out of the way and also make Innovation possible or just be so clueless that the industries could run around them are the innovators can run around them and the benefits have reached, you know, rich and poor and everybody in between so that to me is like that's what I wanted to do with my life. Like I wanted to work at this intersection of technology and cities in a way that like reached a lot of people so with this is just to understand was this more through the studies you pursued or was a this leg one moment this Eureka. Oh my God. This is what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. No, I mean, I think it's it was just seeing that that was kind of where the water was flowing downhill and seeing seeing evidence on A ground in cities, you know 2000 2001 2002 a lot of talking about smart cities was was daydreaming like it was won't to be great when you were still looking at the proposals from things like location based services and saying won't it be great when we can track everyone's cell phone and deliver these services that are based on location. What will we do? How will we reorganize the city? And when those things finally started arriving watching the applications come out and watching people's behavior change, you know, seeing the first Mobility Services arrived and then seeing real estate developers respond to that and change the kinds of housing that they wanted to build, you know, and then seeing entrepreneurs respond to that and come up with like the startup Transit screen in the US that that makes screens that they sell to real estate developers that to show all the all the buses and trains that are arriving in the neighborhood and they just, you know, one thing feeding off of another and you know, realizing that this this big system is reconfiguring itself, and that that's something that's important and that we can study And it's really happening to me was just incredibly exciting because I had been I've been saying this like since the mid 90s and had a very difficult time with my my teachers my professors my peers in Academia who thought it wasn't important. They didn't understand why I was interested in this they didn't understand where it fit into the traditional disciplines in urban planning and you know was a real validation and just to me it helps tie together like all the things that I had learned and kind of me irrelevant to the future I guess. So, I think most people you know, they obviously know your book smart cities when it came out in 2013. what what led to the book like, what did you do before that also before sort of like you became so, you know, well known as one of the thought leaders so I spent most of the 2000s working working as a consultant. I think tank in California called The Institute for the future. So I did a lot of work with big companies helping them think about this stuff really was a lot of helping big American Fortune 500 companies understand Global urbanization and particularly Global organization in the context of social networks. And mobile Communications which were really really I think to that big ingredients of smart cities and you know, they didn't really have any basis to understand that most most of these Business Leaders have grown up in American suburbs driving cars back and forth to offices and sitting at desks and talking on phones and using fax machines email is still kind of new for these guys. They barely spent any time in the global South if they had been in like a resort somewhere golfing. So we were teaching them. You know what the rest of the world looked like something else that I had done right after grad school was help start a community wireless network in New York City that called NYC Wireless that wasn't quite As you know radical as the the group here in Berlin Fred Funk is that was cool. Yeah. We were trying to like sit up like a alternative free internet to challenge the Telecom sector. We were really just interested in providing access and public space and challenging the idea that you needed to pay for access to the park. But you know, Really? It really helped me develop this idea that there's like a Grassroots vision of the smart city. That isn't like a telecom providers vision of the smart city. And so what happened around 2008 when the financial crisis hit was, you know, a lot of the big it companies all of a sudden saw their their main, In like corporate clients suddenly stopped spending on I.T. Right. So all these Fortune 500 companies. I've been Consulting for suddenly looked at. Okay, how can we like cut back on expenses? So they fired all the futurists so our treadmill and our Revenue was unemployed. Definitely saw cut back in business. They stopped spending on it. so Cisco, IBM and Siemens, you know, they don't just do it but they definitely Siemens was affected by this and at the same time governments all around the world started stimulus spending and so there are a couple of very smart strategy people at particularly IBM, but also Cisco came up with this idea that well, you know that the logistics Solutions and the global it and all these technologies that we've been developing for Walmart and Exxon and all these Global corporations to run their Global Supply chains and their Global Enterprises for the last 20 years, you know, those platforms might also be good for running the very large complex Enterprises of cities because running a city government is just like running a multinational corporation the same problem. This is their assumption. And so that was really how smarter cities was conceived at IBM. It was really just kind of a pivot something that had worked into a different market and they launched on this campaign. And you know, I really reacted pretty pretty negatively to that because it It had a lot of hubris it IBM in particular came in really aggressively really with very little sensitivity to the political social context of how cities make decisions and set priorities and the stakeholders. Are it caught a lot of people by surprise. because IBM has such a long history of working with government and there were many missteps and it was this very old-fashioned like kind of 20th century reductionist rationalist top-down way of thinking about decision making that is totally out of sync with with the way that planning and decision-making and to the extent that they were digging up like methodologies for urban modeling and planning that had been tried like in the 60s and discarded. I mean, these are like 40 50 year-old methods of urban systems modeling. Like Jake forrester's work. And just totally out of context. I mean it was it was it was really bizarre. And so, you know, I saw this happening and it's disco was doing their own stuff and doing it in China in particular and kind of selling the snake oil to the Chinese government that like, we're going to fix all of the bad decisions. You're making about urbanization in China. We're going to fix it with video conferencing. I mean seriously like this is it this was the literal pitch you were there sounds like a great you were there for the 20 2010. Yeah, I will stay in Shanghai at the time setting up. I mean, I'm oversimplifying it but I think this is this is sort of that the high-level message some of the so I felt the need to respond to that and to show all the other kinds of visions that were starting to develop. Smart cities that we're going to be, you know, essentially vernacular built by people using the tools that they had at hand for their own priorities for their own purposes under their control. The way cities have been built throughout the Millennia, you know, most buildings aren't built by multinationals. They're built by families. Financed by savings and renovated and extended over time and it's so this sort of idea of incremental organic design and expansion, you know in many ways like how apps and websites and these kinds of things have grown. These are the issues you seen five years ago, right and in this time do you think is this progress of the Change for the better or do you think I think? I think you know we've seen a tremendous amount of that Grassroots innovation. In terms of ideas cities have definitely rejected the smart city in a box Vision fully and we've even gotten to the point in the last year where when I hear people from McKinsey Consultants talk about smart cities. They have embraced. You know my point of view. Which to me that is going to feed I honestly cannot think of like a greater measure of success than that, but I think it's also makes so much sense because it just didn't work. No did the other approaches did not produce the kind of results that every moving it didn't sell because and this this was you know, why I knew I was right before I even started writing the book was because the people in the cities were Telling me that what they were getting pitched was insane, you know, this is in the book good people from Boston and people in London telling him telling me like that the things they were hearing from IBM, we're totally wrong, but they didn't understand how people in cities make decisions. It doesn't matter if the cities aren't run like businesses if using a bus stands for that isn't too optimistic given the story of who I am doing I work and I come from Poland and how smart it is now rolls out to polish statistics exactly the way how you described. It was in 2013 like the Box Solutions, right? So I just wonder how much of it is a u.s. Perspective for City already grasped the idea that it's not the way and how does the rest of the world is catching up about the city? Yeah. I mean, I think I think there's sir. laying different parts of the world are going to be at different stages of development different parts of the world have different starting points to identify lot of work since then in Latin America and there's some basic services and basic functions that governments in Latin America, you know need a company like Siemens to come in and just sign a contract and do It right like they don't need citizen participation in you know, making sure that the Water Sanitation system is operating. They need a German engineering company to come in and make sure the water is clean and delivered effectively right at the price that was agreed upon on time. There are certain things that have to be done in a centralized fashion. According to standards and I make this point in the book, you know that like the the Global Engineering complex IT industry has a lot to offer but it can't set the agenda. It can't be the purveyor. The vision can be the creator of the vision. And that was what I was reacting to was IBM saying we have the vision Cisco saying we have the vision what I was saying cities have to provide the vision and then The companies can come in and say okay. Here's how we will implement it, you know in retrospect and I always think I also did give them Credit in the book, you know, IBM spent a lot of his money teaching mayor's like what's possible what this technology can actually do. And I think that was valuable. There were a lot of over promises things that have not yet been delivered things. That didn't work. We see that with other Technologies like Watson. This is a well-documented thing that the the marketing people at IBM have oversold Watson so much that it doesn't do any of the things that they've claimed that us, so You need to take that with a grain of salt but I think oh, oh, you know the the ecosystem is actually working and the movement is marching forward. They're definitely hiccups obstacles and but they're all learning opportunities for the most part but also learning opportunities on all sides. Yeah involved. Yeah. I think this is one of the main misconceptions as always that oh well just to cut the big cobras are the That guy's I don't necessarily think so, you know, I think like you said, you know, there is also so much to be learned from for the startups, you know, how a city function and how to work with a big table door like from the city's perspective. Like what is out there in terms of innovation that could actually make our dysfunctional system may be at the time much better. So I think it's really this. you know almost like this this it should be a joint pursuit of like trying to learn a better understand each other and the because it I don't know what what your perspective on it is in terms of top-down versus bottom-up hours of pitched but whether that dichotomy is really the right way of looking at it, but I think one of the things that was very clear from your book and I think what what what really struck a nerve Time was there was so much happening on this on you know, this diversity of stakeholders. This is like, I mean you popular popularize the idea also the Civic hacking movement and all the stuff that could for America and of those other organizations were doing and what was their response also maybe to your book and also what has happened. How do you do see this whole part of the story you were telling how has that developed? I before we go on I just you know say like I think the top-down versus bottom-up thing. Is there a lot of other people out there who have taken very like anti-corporate stance in this whole discussion, you know, like Adam Green Fields is good friend. His book came out right around the same time as mine against the Smart City very clear. Yeah. I didn't call my book against the smart city and you know the point I just made I think there is a role. These companies and and that role is scale and I think history is proving me right on this. If you look at the record of the last five years the thing that industry has achieved that the Grassroots the bottom-up has not achieved its scale whether it's Uber or Airbnb or whatever it is. They may not be companies that everybody likes. They may have done a lot of nasty things but they've also delivered a lot of value. They've done it all over the world and they have pushed a lot of interesting ideas really really far in a very short period of time it's and they mobilized a lot of action which you know in and of itself is worth something and you know, maybe we can do a better job in Harnessing that action in a more sustainable productive Equitable direction for labor or whatever it is and those companies I think are learning those lessons some of them but they have achieved scale and like if you did urgency of the challenges we face whether its climate change or poverty or managing Refugee crisis are things that matter of time time matters. Right like we are glad 12 more years for the Australian 12 b 2 b a g urbanizing. This is the one shot we get, right. This is this is this is it we're building the city's now, this is Paul Romer and then why you just won a Nobel prize in economics, you know, he always says it's like we're building the city's we're going to live with for the next couple thousand years. And it's like yeah, that's it. This is it. This is like Humanities time. These are the salad days. I mean that decisions will even make now will lock this weird. Yeah. Our population is going to Peak like around 20 80 and then we're all just going to get old populations going to decline like this is this is really this is the peak of human civilization terms of activity where we had super AI material. This is the most people the most stuff so, you know and it's the crisis in terms of our habitat, right? So I think making some mistakes. Like not getting the system perfect, but getting the big things right at scale. Maybe there's a little more important. So, you know, that's why I feel like I'm kind of Been Vindicated and having that more balanced view after after seeing what's happened in the last couple of years that yeah. I wish there was less collateral damage, you know, I wish Uber treated its workers more fairly, you know, I wish Airbnb didn't displace people but you know the fact that they pioneered new models for Mobility. New models for managing Urban housing I think is been in that game speaking of the many of those Giants and also you mentioned before that investors get recently attraction in the mobility. I wanted to ask you the questions. How do you perceive the role of of and of professional investors of venture capital in the creation of cities and as an example, let's discuss Berlin when Recently the investments in Mobility just pretty much exploded and from my from my experience. The investors don't usually take into considerations that complexity of the city or the theory and theory of urban Transportation. Let's say even to say more I would say this is sometimes perceived as the distractions today healthy investment decision process right now. I just wonder how much of this reflection should be there and it Is it is there any risk related to the fact that there probably is not enough of it or this is the way to go. This is how we create a city with with the Market Force well. Is always going to be smart money and done money. I think any investment Community has that having more smart money is always better. It's going to attract more entrepreneurs that's going to track better entrepreneurs. It's going to create more breakout success has it's going to create a better flow of Innovations within the ecosystem so anything you know that can be done whether it's supporting supporting investors who want to get smarter whether it's connecting resources from universities. So this is something I'm starting to think about a New York City is whether we can use some of the new science and technology universities that we've set up in the last few years to help support the new Mobility Innovations. We have New York University. Center for Urban science and progress which I always tease them sounds like sort of like soviet-era Urban informatics program, you know, it's like khrushchev's big data Institute or something Center for Urban progress Cornell Cornell Tech is a Cornell's Engineering campus, which is partnered with the technion from Israel. And Columbia also has the Earth Institute, which is a major climate Science Center. So it has big Urban Focus as well particularly around remote sensing satellite data. So, you know, I think there's a lot of things that can be done and of course the role of government particularly around data sharing and data standards because it's such a crucial. Linchpin for Mobility Innovation and you know, they can be a real Catalyst and setting standards requiring Mobility companies to share data in ways that can unlock opportunities for Innovation. So I think I think that there's there's a lot that can be done to make investors smarter. It's not just about the investors being smarter when they arrived at the table. Well just doesn't step before do you think that it should be done? Like should we make because they invest as I'm talking about they are definitely not the representatives of the damn money. However, there is well-founded argument that lets say investing in the East scooter company is perceived from totally different angle than the Three of us would would consider is not first of all, it's not a Mobility company. Let's say the marketplace company and it fulfills all the it ticks all the boxes of the the good venture capital investment and does it they don't even label or Quorum call it Mobility investment. It's not like even if they do it's not the chorus not informed and the implications of did it of this is that the whole theory of urban planning which of course this company is is deeply rooted in In it's not considered. They created the City by supporting this given company. I'm not considering the fact of doing so and I just wonder if there is any risk in this so I think the lemon one way of thinking about the question you're asking is do you need to be a specialist to invest in Mobility companies versus kind of a generalist investor? I don't know the answer to that. What I think is an interesting question that raises in my head is whether there are opportunities or the opportunities for investors who are not Mobility Specialists are actually more interesting. And the reason I think of it that is the more I look at the mobility sector the more I realized that the big money is the things that catalyzes and particularly real estate. So what did Travis County to as soon as he got kicked out of uber real estate he went and got involved with a company called Cloud kitchens. Which he's now rebranded as I think it's called City storage solutions or City storage systems. Like I can't remember what the name of the company is. But as I understand it, it's basically a holding company for ghost kitchens. Which are cooking facilities that do nothing but fulfill online orders and for for restaurants that either you know, or like Heine high-profile restaurants that have a big online business and so they'll let's say it's like a David Chang Restaurant in New York. And he's got Momofuku have David and David Chang's a bad example, but let's just see it. So he's got home a fuku in the West Village and then there may be five Momofuku kitchens around Manhattan. Placed so that they're closed to customers that have no retail storefront. All they do is fulfill delivery orders to the neighbor of the Darren. Oh, wow. Okay, like my end and when might grow up and what Countess company does is manage those facilities there like a logistics provider. For the deliveries of this world of who don't know they they basically own those kitchens and rent them out to David Chang. Oh today the facility operator and owner. They helped him scale exactly is Brent exactly. And so let's but it's not just kitchens. They're going to do it for like every kind of e-commerce. So they're basically going to own everything in the e-commerce chain. That is not an Amazon warehouse. So I'm just think of all the other businesses that are going to want to move stuff around streets. That doesn't go in a brown box. So that's what callanetics doing. And who burst buying delivery room right like uber and their deliverer who owns the same kind of infrastructure deliver owns a bunch of hundreds of ghost kitchens all over Europe. So those companies like uber buying delivery is not over by a delivery service. It's Uber buying real estate, right? So, That's fascinating to me. So the real opportunity is in the real estate for the last mile delivery infrastructure or it's the logistics for I said, which is funny because often we you know, when we look at we haven't talked at all about sort of like package deliveries and all of those last mile Solutions my crew Depots and so on dispatch man's but effectively that's another way of solving the issues Yeah by having those little Well having this network of ghost kitchens or whatever else goes goes to real estate. Right what other kinds of so what it tells me is maybe need a different kind of specialist right like and so having a having in that sense like if you're only Having transportation Mobility experts in the room. They're not going to see that and this is actually one of the things as a policy planning person when I talk to people and talk to cities about automated vehicles. I insist that cities bring people to the table from inside city government who are experts outside of Transportation. I want to talk to people from their aging Department. I want to talk to people from their children's services. I want to talk two people from their Department of watershed management the people who care about how much paved surface there is in the city and who want to remove roads so that the water will drain better and they want to get rid of vehicles so they can remove roads things that you never would think about when you talk about Vehicles unless what you care about is water, so Talking to Transportation people. The answer is always Transportation, but talking to people who have other objectives. about Mobility The answer is often less Mobility or different kinds of mobility of our ability leading to something else ability serving a purpose exactly not an end in FLV. It's a it's a piece of a delivering service. Right? It's a means is also we can understand it the way that we see approach might be perceived in this context as the opportunity to the development of the cities in the future, right if I read you correctly. Yeah. so I think I think I think you know if you're going to play in this place, you need somebody who understands the nuances because it's complicated and the trait there's lots of trade-offs and lots of regulations changing fast that can break business models very quickly or open them up, but I think there's also the risk of like not seeing the daylight open up, you know, and like in the policy world, you know. It's the risk of becoming too too much of a wang, you know, not seeing missing the big picture and I think that the risk in investing is probably the same and also I mean one of the things is always like the potential impact of City regulation on your business model that might absolutely no it looks great right now. But once you have the city backlash because maybe it's a bad idea at scale at least with the current business model. You know, that's always a big question as well. So and I think some of those Mobility companies are currently experiencing that with burden others being like even bad in San Francisco or the city of New York forcing ride-sharing operators now to share some data sets as well and so on. So, I mean this was the work we published in 2014 the reprogramming Mobility studying, which is really kind of a Capstone to The Rockefeller foundation's five-year investment in transportation. We were looking 20 years out in North America and the US, you know, what is all this technology add up to and what we were trying to say was Planning institutions are not prepared to deal with the pace of change and that the disruption that has occurred from ride sourcing from tncs Uber Lyft and their ilk. This is not one time disruption and we're going to return to a new equilibrium and business as usual can continue and you can keep planning and running your city the same way with the same methods in the same people and the same organizations that this is going to happen again and again and again and again, and I said that 2014 and we shared the message a lot of whoo. Whoo. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, we'll see if that happens again. And then, you know the scooters have come and like now that automated stuff is going to come and like the evidence is sort of starting to mount up that like, hey, maybe Townsend was right like we are going to have one of these things every 18 months the comes out of nowhere. How much will this East Coasters would say, you know being his hype and how much of it is the beginning of a big Urban Trend. I mean, I think the I think the scooters are potentially bigger deal then then what's happened with right sourcing because they're completely operating and like the Consumer Electronics world. It's it's reached like a part of the economy where there's very little regulation. It's now competing directly with two modes are the most sustainable kind of highest priority walking and biking so like the early survey data is showing a lot of the trips would have been taken by what are essentially like carbon negative. Modes of travel walking and cycling because you burn some of the Fuji produce positive health benefits and steady's small electric motor and produce some injuries, which are costly to treat. so yeah, it's they're very appealing. I think they're there. I don't think it's hype at all. I think it's going to be a very widespread thing. I mean, there's a lot of loose ends. Did I have to get tidied up? But just that I mean the sheer so we call this this whole class of small electric vehicles. Once you add automation, which is going to be a trivial thing to do automation want to come down a lot and cost before it starts to get bolted on but and make the case for automation. These vehicles isn't as compelling but it'll be one of the things that allows the Loose Ends to be tied up. So one of the biggest problems with scooters is this that they're there Untidy, I mean they got left everywhere. They don't come when called because they don't have docks. Right? So just having them be able to kind of zip over to the side of the road over come to the corner or you know come when called by the app requires a very modest amount of software. They're also not very big so they don't have to work that safely. So it's a pretty easy engineering problem. They're also not that valuable. So if they accidentally drive under a truck or you know off a cliff or something, it's not that big a deal so they will get automated quite soon and you know the become that much more useful because of that and that much more pervasive and you know, there's there's just going to be everywhere. They're going to be like, you know, magic feet. Like that's what I think so we call this whole category whether it's scooters are skateboards. The board's bikes everyone makes fun of that Google self-driving bicycle video that came out a couple years ago from Amsterdam. Yeah, that was hilarious. I looked at that and it looks like that is absolutely right on. I mean, I knew it was a joke, but I was like this is this is very real April fools. Yeah. I know but it was there was a group at MIT working on self-driving bike at the time like it's that's a very very real thing. And how do you call this cathegory a Rovers Rovers? We call them Rovers because they sort of Rome in a territory and there's some very interesting Urban Design possibilities that they open up because they basically what they do is they make neighborhoods bigger. so you can take you know, the walkable radius of a neighborhood Rose subway station and make it that much bigger so you can have sort of In areas, you can basically up Zone cities because people can zip around over bigger areas. I mean, I love you brought us some of the booklets here taming the autonomous vehicle. I'm just like having it here. I mean, I love the illustrations that you guys came up with sort of and also the storytelling in a sense. Maybe we can you describe Project would you be done and this is just part of the the last piece of work that we did for the Bloomberg Aspen initiative on cities and autonomous vehicles, which was a year-long effort with both of those organizations, Bloomberg philanthropies and the Aspen Institute in the u.s. In 10 cities around the world to try to you know, in many ways kind of similar to it. I was trying to do with the smart Cities book crafted vision for the future of this technology. That was City driven and not industry driven because there's so many kind of modern day myths out there about what autonomous automated vehicles are going to be will have to get to that in a second. Yeah as well and You know cities have a lot of goals for Mobility. They aren't centered on autonomous vehicles and they're centered on human human-powered and mass transit and we wanted to acknowledge that there's this industry Vision that is centered on autonomous vehicles and sort of weave that in in ways that would support City's existing goals, which are very well thought. Cyril very good reasons for being the way they are so sort of taking harvesting what we can from what industries bringing to the table discarding what is definitely not going to work we're conflict with cities cities goals Give an example. So I think the idea of private automated Passenger cars and cities is probably a bad one in most cities. You know, we had a wide range of cities in this project from Paris to Nashville, Tennessee Tel Aviv, São Paulo, the parisians made it very clear almost the minute. They walked into the room that private autonomous vehicles would be banned from the city. If not immediately in the near future whereas in Nashville. Tennessee is a Jur auto manufacturing State. They said it was almost impossible to imagine that ever happening. That the state would never allow them to do such a thing because it would scare off the car makers. So they so they would allow if yeah, they would have deal even though it's not good for the city. Right but they they hands are tied. So, you know, this is kind of a wide variety of realities and abilities to like act on it. But yeah, so that's Private empty Vehicles what Robin chase the founder of Zipcar called zero occupancy vehicles are ghost cars. So, you know taking your self driving a Mercedes and sending it to go pick up your dry cleaning. That's a really bad thing because you're basically contributing to traffic with in producing. No. And Mobility at all. If everybody in the city does that it's it will strangulate the road Network. So there's that there's a number of things that really contribute to excess travel demand that cities identify very quickly as things they didn't want but it kind of bread and butter. Parts of the industry Vision can Antony can I am going to read one of them please the stories here. So silly was just as hooked on instant delivery as her neighbors. We all love instant delivered only so but when the daily Gem of delivery trucks gave way to an even more menacing swarm of sidewalk Bots, she felt like there wasn't much room on the sidewalk for her anymore. So said he was very sad. So and then it goes on I can see already. The sideboard is like blocking the door entrance for the old granny who is very outraged about this, but then it goes on and sort of like, how could it be over nice from the city's perspective. So now every block has a Potter licensed by the city Sally's Porter meets larger conveyor Bots at the curb and carries the goods the last meter or two and I remember when we talked before you call this the To meet a logistics not the last my Logistics with the lead last meteorologist exposure. I love so it goes on the story the product can also facilitate. So these returns and even recycles packaging in the rare instance when dispatch algorithm send something when she isn't there the porter can hold items for redelivery when she returns what I love about those stories. First of all, there's a very specific way how you have written it. It's very personalized and well exactly and I think you You you told me about one of the the most Avid readers of those in our yes, my daughter my ten-year-old daughter loves to read these she seen me working on this project for over a year which in her short life is a very long time and she's fascinated by the technology. She's eager for this future to take place. She also sees us getting packages every day because we're addicted to not instant delivery yet, but And you know, she wants to she wants to solve these problems too. So yeah, it's fun. And I you know kind of joke that like if my ten-year-old daughter can understand it's like a perfect reading level for a mayor. But yeah, and of course the mayor's are totally agree kind of sad, but there's no and I think actually to be completely honest. I think it's a perfect level for everyone. I because you know, we always think all the experts, you know, we need only need like use this dragon and money everywhere. We are expert there's so many fields where we are not an expert and especially in Smart City. Most of the time we are not experts most of the time. We probably need to communicate exactly the same that it goes kind of simple language. I think it's a good test for whether whether it's urgent or not. Whether it's clear if it can't boil it down, you know, maybe maybe you're not ready to deal with it yet. There's so much going on in the scenario, you know, one of the things we were trying to highlight there's the I mean there's a Of issues, but that idea of the last meter when things were trying to highlight is that even though there's a tremendous amount of investment going into automating delivery in The Last Mile because it's expensive but it's also exploding I mean e-commerce in most of the developed economies is growing by about 15% a year, which means it's doubling every five years and the parcel shipments are going about the same rate, which is much faster than passenger. Air travel so Freight fractions are growing much faster than passenger. Is it none of these none of these robots? Anytime soon are going to be able to get through your front door. Climb the stairs up to your stupid on your townhouse gets through the elevator into your apartment block. Mr. Cities are complicated. They're structurally architecturally complicated particularly cities that were built in the 19th and 20th Century like Berlin, so we are going to need human beings people. Our people aren't home people aren't ready. They're on the phone. They're giving the kid a bath they're preparing. Are there down at the corner having a coffee synchronizing delivery is really hard the best solution that the Consultants so of McKinsey actually MacKenzie's German office is still one of the best studies on the last my Logistics their answer is package lockers. So they're saying basically everybody needs to move to system where automated Vehicles put packages in lockers at the corner. Another group has done surveys people hate package lockers. They want the package is delivered to their homes. So what's the Gap there write the solution for industry and the solution for the consumer don't meet so our proposal. I don't know if this works for proposals that maybe there's a role for a human worker in the middle. So the way we think of this is you know the best of machine Intelligence and human intelligence, right and this is this is compatible with how people more broadly are starting to think about Ai and human workers together in the future across all industries that it's not about replacement. It's about rethinking how teams work and that AI is going to become a part of Better teams as opposed to just throwing people out of room that I think it will also be one of the main contributors in terms of the whole acceptance. Yeah of those Technologies because I think one of the things most people are scared about is just oh God. Am I going to lose my job? Like when I am I going to lose my job and I think part of the things that you are also showing and maybe we can just just as we have, you know, I have to wrap up now unfortunately, but it's also what you are looking at now is like what Some of the myth of the this sort of like autonomous future that is being put out there right now. What is it going to look like? Maybe much more likely in reality? Yeah. I mean, I think what we've been sold is this kind of vision. There's a famous film from the US government funded demonstration in 1997, California, the first automated Highway called demo 97 and it's a bunch of Of General Motors Kei cars cruising down this this desert highway in San Diego perfectly synchronized even the drivers have identical haircuts their identically space. There's no cities and site. There's no buildings anywhere and I think that's the vision that a lot of Industry a lot of people in government and a lot of consumers have kind of carry forward that it's just perfectly synchronized homogeneous pod. Cars and nothing could be further from the truth. I mean it's going to look more like the web every vehicle is going to be different. It's going to have different software. It's going to behave differently at different apps loaded on it in autonomous vehicles are going to be more like our phones. They're only going to you know have the same Hardware may be but there's software and services and data and what they do and what we do with them and what we experience in them is going to be infinitely. Ali varied and I think that's a good thing. I think they're going to going to be the perfect Urban machine. They're going to adapt to our Urban environments in a way that cars never did we had to rebuild cities around cars autonomous vehicles will fit into the niches in cities in ways that that let us live, you know better and cleaner adjust the problems that we have. The design value driven cell phone was liberating. I'm very optimistic. The most optimistic Bill and heard for years. I think it's I think it's the right technology for the right time. I really do but let's like let's try to be negative now and what's what's the opposite of this optimistic Vision if things don't work as they should I think the big risk is is that is around free and that you know, essentially let a handful of big online retailers use this to drive the cost of shipping down to nothing turn the streets into a distribution system for You know cheap manufactured goods from I don't know. What be China anymore. I'm able to be Africa or southeast Asia. We don't find ways to turn that towards more circular kinds of consumption and Recycling and it just becomes a gigantic run away energy whole that's a very real possibility. I think Amazon. As kind of moving the u.s. Towards that right now and the next couple of years may make a kind of decisive turn towards that but what does it hinge on that scenario? It hinges on our antitrust policy whether we allow them to come novelist in The Last Mile hinges on our climate policy, which is probably lost now for the next few years. Yeah, I think really right now it's kind of down to antitrust. So it's kind of its kind of funny actually like the personal politics of it at least like the Trump Administration has made the wrong decision climate. But because Trump hates just leaves us so much. He may actually make the right decision on antitrust. So he made block Amazon just said of you know personality which I think would actually be a good thing. So he made me my move you don't see any any role for the city's they're In the u.s. I hope they don't have much power interestingly. They can do some things at the curb. But Amazon will find a way around it because I think we just had to be yeah, we've just had this this whole charade around the Amazon hq2. I don't know if you saw that which is clearly showed who has the upper hand when Amazon deals with local governments in the u.s. They they really just like you have a lot of like s it was the exhibition about the headquarters right? You have like a lot of S&M clubs here in Berlin, right? This is the relationship between Amazon and it's Insidious. All right, very interesting. No, but I mean it's interesting because I think here the I don't know also from my experience. I'm Consulting with City's oldest in Europe. I think here there might be slightly. More Hefty influence also from the city's perspective from the regulatory perspective of just what what cities do allow what the authorities allow me in terms of last my Logistics how they can steered and mandated effectively. Yeah, I think they do. I think you're in a much better position here. Just because cities have done so much more thinking and put in place like a much better set of ideas and initiatives that logistics companies will have to move into it'll be in their interest and Mike yeah, I think all those things. Moving up the timetable and raising the incentive structure faster is probably the priority so you obviously thinking a lot about the the whole topic of autonomy for the autonomous driving and the impact it has for your new book. So maybe it's one of our last question sort of like did you take any like it's also your first time here in Berlin? Us so we're there any any things that inspired you from this trip already like ideas thoughts that or reflection simply, you know, based on the work you've done or what what what you're writing right now that what you feel. This was a useful visit as well in the sense of like being here in Berlin. Oh, I mean, there's so much to learn from Berlin just from the city itself. the uniqueness of scale and structure There's something about the streetscape that's just inherently really flexible. You can see the size of the Avenues and the not the grid that sort of the network of streets has allowed it to accommodate new Mobility Technologies, you know over the last hundred and fifty years in a way that I think is really allowed it to evolve and will continue to it's very Situated so the eager to see how automated Vehicles become a part of that mix, but I think it's going to be easy for Berlin. I find it fascinating that the tension here between it's sort of right on this like interesting balance between being concentrated and being really spread out and almost at this tipping point where if we didn't have these Technologies, it would be a little too spread out but I see people, you know using apps and using Mobility Services whether it's bikes or taxis or the arrival. I Amazon the u-bahn to pull it together and it's like Berlin is a much more connected City now. I just sense because of that right and because of the presence of so many young people who exploit that and that's really it's really interesting to see it so clearly and so concentrated that the city is thriving because of that connectedness, you don't see it so clearly in other places where you know, they would have succeeded anyway because of the density or the transit Network or they're failing because they're too spread out. Because the land use or whatever like here, we have a little bit of both. So close to the Tipping Point where it could have failed, you know, like if we were in the 1980s Berlin probably would be really really struggling even with the same demographics in the same global economy. I don't know that's just my theory, but I think that the timing is really good. So it's fascinating. Another another chance to have I'll be back. I mean, I'm it's going to take me months to process what I've learned in a few days here. And he is there anything else you want to sort of like any last last thoughts you have any about your current work anything else? You want to mention that we didn't touch on? No just think you know, my big Focus right now is trying to follow the money. I think both the money coming in the investments in the money going out. That's really that's the big thing that's changing. Now. There's always been new technology and transportation and Mobility that the amount of money now, it's really new. It hasn't been easy a big influx of money in big like New glow of money and Very very long time and when it happens historically that's when things really really changed a lot. I've been spending a lot of time recently studying what happened when we shifted from horse horse-drawn streetcars to electric powered street cars about a hundred and twenty hundred thirty years ago probably happened in Berlin around the 1880s 1890s. 1890s probably and it was just a massive transformation of cities and the attraction industry as they called it back. Then I think something similar is happening. And now with the soft bangs of this world. Yeah. So Frank is a big part of it, but who's behind SoftBank so tell us the salaries? All right. Fantastic. Thank you very much. Anthony. I really enjoyed it. I hope all of our listeners have have the same view. I'm sure they have so we hope to have you back human ruling soon an enemy. Is there if people want to get in touch with you and follow your work is there what's was a canned good place. I think Twitter's the best some Anthony mobile and Twitter. That's kind of the main the main. Sounding board and right now I'm kind of keeping my head focused on working on the book. What is it going to be called The Working title is Ghost Road the high stakes of the driverless Revolution. So we are certainly looking forward to that. All right. Thanks a lot. Anthony. My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to our first episode of City Rebels. We hope you enjoyed it and make sure you follow us on all social media accounts and pre-order Antony's book ghost roads online which comes up next to June. Also if you want to get in touch with us, feel free to send us a mail at hello Urban impact on EU that's it folks. Take care and catch you on the flip side.

„ You can continue planning to run your city with the same methods and the same people and same organizations - but disruption is gonna happen again and again and again.“ (Anthony Townsend, City Rebels Podcast Episode 1) In our first ever episode of City Rebels we kick off with an outstanding guest: Anthony Townsend (Twitter: @anthonymobile) Listening to our interview which we recorded back in November 2018 you will understand why Anthony is a real city rebel to us. His understanding and takes on smart cities have started way back when he was in college. For him, a smart city has always been more than big players implementing a new technology into the city's infrastructure or government. Since he has been looking at the topic of information and communication for more than twenty years so no wonder he brought out his first book "SMART CITIES: Big Data, Civic Hackers, and the Quest for a New Utopia" in 2014, discussing the use of big data and digitalization of our cities, and their transformation into smart cities. Besides publishing his first book, Anthony’s recent research has covered the future of automated and autonomous vehicles (AVs), the urban science movement, and big data and inclusion. One of his latest projects has been The Autonomous Vehicles: Future Scenarios supported by Bloomberg Philanthropies as part of the Bloomberg Aspen Initiative on Cities and Autonomous Vehicles and NLC. So, let's jump into our first episode! To keep it simple and structured - here are the show notes *drum roll* This episode is all about smart cities and new technologies. Discover with us: What Smart Cities has to do with the 2008 Financial Crisis and what led to Anthony writing his first book "Smart Cities“ How different parts of the world approach the smart city movement  The three giants Uber, Amazon and Airbnb and their impact on our cities How new mobility is changing real estate models Why we should talk more about last meter rather than last mile logistics What watershed management has to do with autonomous driving E-Scooters in our cities and their potential for automation The Autonomous Vehicles: Future Scenarios - Booklets What potentials Anthony sees in Berlin in terms of future technologies Anthony's current work on his new book: Ghost Road: Beyond the Driverless Car About this Podcast: We are Urban Impact, an agency from Berlin, scouting, connecting and helping urban tech startups to grow in Europe. Through our work we have been getting  into touch with real change makers, people, that shape our cities, think forward and make a real difference to us. We call those people "city rebels", just like our Podcast. Working with people, talking to them made us realize, how many amazing stories are out there, which we want to share with you. Feel free to send us a mail at [email protected] if you believe you are a city rebel or simply want to reach out to us.

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It's like Ebenezer Scrooge had even visited. It's like the green ghost. Throne is heart has grown three sizes. You know what he should get that checked out. Do you like the Grinch the the cartoon? I I do like it. I still don't do you like the live-action version starring Jim Carrey? I haven't seen that one. You've never seen it. No, not that shocking. Can you break Nate? Have you seen it but the my wife loves it? It's fucking dogshit. What about the there's it. There's like a Pixar version are like an animated version the brand new one with Benedict Cumberbatch. That's right as the voice of wrench and Jennifer Aniston. My son is washed at like 12 times. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that my kids are all up in that. You know what my toddler likes. It's cute. It's like Santa pups or some shit. It's just as low-rent garbage movie. It's like Debbie Reynolds or somebody like that or mrs. Partridge. I don't know one of those women plays mrs. Claus and there's some kid in a town. He lost the Christmas spirit and these puppies going there and they talk. Oh wait, is that the one where they all end up dead? I wish and then, you know, something's detective goes another fucking Chris. When I was a little kid and I would have night mashes his gun when I was a little kid and I would have nightmares my parents would tell me to think of positive things like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and then I would I swear to Christ and then I would have nightmares in which Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny tried to kill me. I her I said see I really I'm sure that was probably in your mind. I however that I swear to Christ me that thinks that I'm saying right now I said I swear to Christ. I honestly don't remember if that was a story I made up when I was little or something actually happen. I was little was it you Way, that was my thought process. Was it my uncle and I was repressing some dark memories Easter Bunny. You're holding me too tight. Have you seen abducted in plain sight the Netflix movie to documentary know what about family who becomes? Oh, those were some guy who are that's like super good and he he likes Sadducees there. Yeah, I'm laughing but the I mean you're watching this thing the first couple episodes Nate you were watching this thing and you're like, there's like it can't get any. Oh, it can't get any worse and then it just It it gets so much worse like seven times you like. There's no way it's you. Like it's peaked. It can't be these parents cannot be more stupid and then you're like, nope. There. They go again five more times. I mean what the fuck I was confused. Hey, you know what Mike let's talk about JonBenet Ramsey. It's Christmas. Company Ramsey case my God never really delved in we did it statistically. We were bound to find a topic that you didn't holy shitballs. Welcome everyone to the dead and buried experience where who knows what the fuck is going to be talked about it here, you know, what else is crazy the amount of latex. It's in latex paint. It is absurd. That's the kind of shit you would talk about it. No bottles, I gave it to you more people are interested in abducted in plain sight than your fucking listen bottles Vendetta. If if I started a program where I was like against water bottles, I would have 1 million fucking start bitch instagram.com be bigger than Greta. We should use the sail around the world supporting our earth toys Autobot City toys and Christmas with kids. It's what what do we do? What do we do here? Well, we're talking about shitty toys and the worst Parts about Christmas with kids and that kind of stuff. But before we get to that, I apologize for the preceding what five minutes to let's call it 15 to 20. We don't know. I don't know how long it's been going through a time. Thanks for joining us. 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That's the game the Patriots they did not they almost I mean the Patriots almost tied it know, let's face it really the last actual the point being is that they absolutely do Many of them from yeah, well, they played them so I was talking to somebody in the beginning like the Patriots move down field because they got a pass interference penalty and they scored them trick play, right? And somebody was I got oh no, I'm like give the patrons like they got lucky with pi and then they're pulling out all the stops to score. I'm like you're in good shape if that's what they need to do because their offense is so Dynamic that one the got a discounted full touchdown that was discounted Fulton County discounted not like cheaper no disc and they got a lot of And good fortune for the past 20 years. I don't know maybe the fucking Patriots called the Tuck Rule look it up my God. You're from Connecticut. Right my fucking hate the Patriots so much. Anyway, the Dolphins lost which is a victory. 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I don't know I just feel like they jeans what does Gene there's a lot of Gene Brands. Okay, we're of until I said, oh no, I thought it was a woman's like Banana Republic. You know how many there are seven you've ever heard of seven genes. There are thing. Okay heard of them either. Are you smelling burnt toast Against Humanity? I think how's your brand of jeans or whatever anyway cards are perfect is like hard. Against Humanity, there's no genes involved. You're nailing for parents. Yeah. Do you want to do it Cards Against Humanity? It's like Kinder perfect, but not for parents. You're doing the wrong thing. I know. I know. I realize that halfway through I fuck it up. I really fucked it up. You're an absolute joke. I am such a near-perfect as I Cards Against Humanity for parents. It's all kid base parenting base cards. It's hilarious. There's some real edgy ones. I Cards Against Humanity has four and there's a Tamer version if you wanted to fear you You're into that kind of thing. We got some and if you're not a parent, let's go down. No. Yeah you often zero interest in this thing. You have a parent. Can you imagine if they're non-parents listening? I don't know the I have a few non-parent followers in the like thank you for reminding me. Oh, oh, really? Oh, well, yeah part of the reminders of the we is a little bit broad, but sure anyway, so you can go to Amazon and Kinder perfect.com and use the code 20 off Dad's on Amazon and I If it's 20 off Daddy, I'm Kinder perfect to get 20% off if you're dead and buried the listener cool and speaking of I mean, so that's a great gift for Christmas. But tonight we're going to be talking about shitty gifts that you have to give your kids or that somebody else gives you have to give your kids. That isn't the fucking point of Christmas it fucking is though just there are things you wouldn't give your kid, but because your kid wants it you feel like you're obligated. And in other people listening right now being like you're the problem with burned during you're spoiling your kids you give them what they need what they will know what they You know, what? Who's sometimes I want my kid to show boys. He's quiet. The pizza is I want him to be happy. Who's the pizza own? I don't know if that's who I'm thinking you're talking. What was that was an Italian voice because he's you know, what he's had an accident with his trachea during the pizza making process was an issue. There was an incident and now his trachea is gone and no dogs anyway, so there's a lot of things around the holidays that are obligations, right and a lot of them are toy buying and toys you have to get for you. What are you gonna get the Kid? That has everything which is your subscription to the data Maron podcast my kid my kid has nothing. How about a too shy kid according to my kid. He has nothing right exactly. According to me. He has way too much. I've seen her boat say I've seen it downstairs just gonna true I have since I got the stain on this kit have seen your dad. What about you dude? I've seen your downstairs. Oh my god. Well, I like this is no more laughing fits. This is this is it categorizes kids and family. This podcast is goddamn hard luck. So this weekend so you hurt you guys have a lot of toys and there but I mean, we don't have any more toys in the fucking average bear. No, but I think you have a lot of I'm just saying when my kid my son comes over he's out of his mind to myhouse. Yeah, but the one time in two three years and over my fucking house. Yeah, we don't worry. Invited me anytime you want you will not even let him go there. Okay, we keep saying it. So when he goes there he loves her toys because he lives with two girls and they just have girl shit. That's right. And he's the third what you gonna get him? Nothing guess what were spent we are kind of stunt how he Bake Oven. However, let's get into just all the madness that is toys because it is it gets real serious. Now, let's caveat the real serious. Yeah, because I see Here's why if you live in an apartment in that's some sort of city. Also me where you don't have a lot of space me three. Nope you can you can yeah, you got a big ass. I do have a bigger than average. But guess what you feel it to the size of your palm. That's the problem right that you're like, oh I have room for this I can get up. Yeah now so you know what? I'm gonna get the Hot Wheels like up the wall down the thing takes up. Well look, I as you may know. No, I mean influencer and sometimes that affords me certain privileges but not at home. Like I got a couple times I got Hot Wheels sent in the mail and The Shoe Box comes you listen, and there's this consistently with a flaming bag of poop on your doorstep doesn't mean they don't tell me my business Devil Woman. All right. So before we get into this shitty to us, I do want to tell the story of the greatest gift I've ever given anyone to get to silence. A fucking pot. Oh my God. No, I just want you to give the gift to everybody. Oh my God, I look up so I know is only so much of me. I know so let's hear this. So when I started dating my wife Heather AKA mom and buried funny meme account. You should check it out. Okay. All right, that's good. Let's keep going. This is we don't need a pretzels we our relationship began as long distance. And a lot over email present wrong calls was a prisoner. I was in jail. Oh you were to go visit to were not you thought she was the one yeah. Well, she's the one with all the neck tattoos. So that's bad bester. That's a good point thug life around her neck. So it was a lot of correspondence over email and you know, sometimes we chatted I mean we chatted on the phone a lot but so back in the day before social media and this would have been It's a lot of email shit. So you get like chain letters and like those fucking Chuck Norris facts went around. I remember I had a laughing fit to be in this episode. I remember being at my desk in North Quincy, Massachusetts where I worked at State Street just pissing my pants reading that list of Chuck Norris shit has some of those were just so funny and then one of these things came around where it was like she sent it to me and it was like somebody asks you a list of questions about like a childhood of your life and one of the questions and there's a bunch of dumb shit, you know, What was your favorite movie when you're not whatever one of the questions was what was the one Christmas gift you always wanted and never got so this was like a chain letter thing and it got sent to me so I get to see her answers and then I answer it and I send it back to everybody. She sees it. So I saw her answer and I saw what she wanted and I filed it away and then a few months later she came up to visit me or we went away to like a bed and breakfast because right, you know, You need a breakfast we had the bed, but it was in the Berkshires and we went away and I had fucking gone around trying to find this thing online couldn't and I'm going to fucking Toys R Us and got it and I got it for her and she had forgotten what this is a key part. She had forgotten the stupid email Shane fucking thing writings of Thomas the Tank Engine train think she is three. Those have him around that long. She has she's too young do not want What is if you're just joining us She's Impossible. You just leaving it. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, thank you for it was a fucking sit and spin for some reason when she was a little girl. She wanted to sit and spin so I fucking bought her a sit and spin this was like the fourth month of our relationship. It's been all downhill ever since like this thing blew her mind the fact that she forgotten about it. I people Million percent. She's an amazing gift giving out any thoughtful. It was in a box or was it not I went to I went to Toys R Us and I got the box and I wrapped it and shit so it doesn't look like a sit and spin no no ya know you have to assemble it which she did obviously I'm not handy. You know, I'm not like shit you because I got you the gift and these fucking 52c proposition haters screwdrivers and get to work anyway, so hashtag Romance. Filled her gift wish and she you know, did you actually crotch then? We got married? Yeah. So what I'm saying is like so I got a bunch of people asked on the live earlier. What was the my favorite gift I've ever gotten I couldn't even tell you. I don't I don't know. I know for a fact that she'll say that that that was the best guessing. That's my favorite. You've ever given my God like I don't have a gift I missed out on anything like the you did you always want the Easy Bake Oven. You didn't get it. No didn't need hit my buddy to my buddy. No, Teddy Ruxpin buddy, maybe Teddy Ruxpin. Wherever I go. He goes my buddy. Stop. What are you like a kid Sister? What is my buddy? My buddy was a stupid doll like the doll from Child's Play was essentially used my buddy as a model and I don't know why anyone would want it or why anyone remembers like Teddy Ruxpin but a little boy. Yeah. I know. It's a very catchy member I Menon let's get you two wouldn't would in the Teddy Ruxpin which I never got would you put a tape in the back? Yeah of it. Yeah. I had one and then it would animate no wouldn't animated would just It would just speak the tape always displayed in its mouth move. Did it did it animate? What about speaking spell? You know what I love this video was so did you got to learn and it was fun and then you can make it we do creepy things. Have you ever thought how Stephen Hawking never changed his voice even though the technology got so much better. You know what that was just became his voice like the speaking spell voice was the voice of Stephen Hawking. Yeah. What do you think? You think he was like people recognize my voice? Yeah. That's why do I do some so I Really do think. So is there a guy so all right. Well, what would you have done if you were him? What voice would you want I would have done. Well, there is a couple of Gottfried everything. Hey, you know I can do it I can do it. I can't do it. I can do it. You know, he doesn't sound like he does in Police Academy. Actually, he sounds the Bobcat Goldthwait. Yeah. I know. I know it's a bit. I saw Gilbert Gottfried and Union Square ones. What a fucking tiny little man. Yeah. Yeah, he was a frail if it was just really really small dude. Yeah. How did you recognize him? I know what it looks like when you mean sketching. Did you schedule schedule my police catch them? Okay. Look, let's get into some toys that people suggest that all right. Here we go. MJ hunt said, so I said, so at the beginning before we get so these are a whole bunch of list of random shit A bunch of people complained about and then we get into some categories. All right. This is more General. MJ hunt m dot. J dot hunt said art shit because I have to set it up break up fights. Make sure there's minimal spillage and clean. I love the breaker lights. You know, what? Yeah. I mean, it's anybody who anytime someone you've the blue I wanted the black kids are going through this and you just like honestly should do a sibling episode. We haven't done that yet. This is the thing. This is the thing you take the time art shit this you want your kids to have some art. So you set it all you want your kids to have some Yeah, every a testament to have the experience of creating some fucking Arts using the so you set it all up and the next thing you know, but I wanted the blue and you're like you shut the fuck up. Nothing shut do with the art. It would be no matter any exactly front of so then guess what you do shut down the art the shutdown. I've got it down pat down there so that everything now yellow it. Yeah you blew it you've got to do it. I did that every day you want blue. Guess what? No more blue one blue for you the underscore right as in Wright brothers not a not as in right or left the You're right underscore time 2010 says Jelly's, you know what those are knowing that I'm going to tell you those can burn in hell with Furbies. Okay, whatever B's a little stuff things that talk. Oh my God, they would talk to each other. He says I'm disowning anyone who gets my kid 1 so the Jelly's I believe our little stuffed animals with wheels that you need to yell at to get them to move and they make they they are attracted to the sound of yelling. I wrote about it for the dad last year. I think that's what it is that they chase you if you yell. The fuck you at the drive-through. What what kind of fucking first of all I don't know what you're talking about. There was a Lethal Weapon to quote. You don't know leave the weapon to whatever Leo Wong's Leo Getz. Okay. Yeah Irishman. Literally, okay was Joe Pesci, he's getting I yeah now you're so I don't know what Jelly's are the sound hole. They're really just oh my God you well now that I can't wait for mcmc Berg nights as Jelly's Google it. I can't even you can't Google save us some legwork MC Burke describe ABC describe what you told you what it was hockey. Mom. 66 729 says it's about va's. Well, that's a fucking toy. Eight hand would you have said hockey moms? 66 729 or hockey moms. 667 29 or hockey mom six 6 seven to nine. I'm just so what would you have done? Is there is there a hockey mom six 6 seven to one through? No, you know what it is. It's she was born in 1966. She has seventy two children and she said 29 remote vehicles. She has remote Vehicles would yell. He's our sort of remote. They just come to the sound of your voice wait when she Says the best sound as bad as she sang the best gift we have other boys was a was a PlayStation 4 and TV right because here's they stay in their room and they fucking stay out of your face and quiet honestly, this is the pan. This is the fan. They learn sharpshooting to It's A Plus is all around and they know they learn Squad goals see why was that for tonight thing? That's just like a thing hides Carlson says nail polish kits on a hashtag disaster waiting to happen. I don't have girls. I have girls they don't polish kit. We've been fortunate enough to like navigate circumvent circumvent any kind of self polishing time like no one the kids will never be able to part of the other self polishing toys. Well, here's what I'm thinking about / lights low. I'm sorry you talking about self polishing my soul mate. He's just sitting I'm talking about even to you how I said, it's not too far off but slime. If you use your magic, so first of all, it's all glittery and parts of the press but slime is really the worst thing that's ever been given to that's coming up parents coming out Community kill. You haven't read the notes that's coming up because save it then I just Dean says I got all my son's gifts from Five Below last year and they all broke within six months learned my lesson. So I went to a Five Below last year. What five I'm gonna tell you right now. It's like a strip mall in the suburbs. I went in there. I'm like, why is this place called Five Below and then I realized everything in this. Or is under five bucks. It's a dollar store on fucking steroids. Okay, what's a dollar store in steerage would really actually be like would sound like like someone who works part of stripping called Bergman Berg Bergdorf Goodman Bergdorf Goodman. I was gonna think Berkman Berkman Good Tour gonna say no like that ain't right anyway, so this is the I blow is just full of good junk. Okay. Mmm Newcomb Play-Doh hands down blows. I hate that. Shit, it's always a mess. But Maleficent understand 25 says I used to hate Play-Doh. Now, I understand she's probably saying when my kids were young and played with with Play-Doh. I used to hate it right. I'm choosing to interpret it as I used to hate Play-Doh, but I had a change of heart and I wanted to know what changed your mind Maleficent 25. Why do you like Play-Doh now? I don't I actually I had I'm going to be in Maleficent 25 corner and actually said say that I had a heart change of heart. You like Play-Doh? No, I only use Play-Doh at Grandma's because what here's the thing they've a marble it's gonna get all fucked up. You just got to kind of lean into it the first it all goes right now month. Yeah. It's gonna get dried out a murderer and it's going to get measure circling all fucked up. And but if you if they can just be occupied with something and yeah drives and that's I think the point is it dries. It's there are materials that I can get into of course, you know, like mouths. No, I don't give a shit about the mouth. I'm more talking about my furniture. Right. Well, that's that shinpei. That's my parents have like a marble table and it is easily cleanable God. I'm not bragging holding shit marble table. They living with my God. This is Megan Wayne Manor. So j-bone in 15 says anything that seems the Baby Shark Song. There's like baby shark stuffed animals. All this sorts of shit. Nobody likes that song Nate. You know that song sing it. Somehow that was worse than the actual Baby Shark Song. Yeah, is that it? Does it do that? All right, it goes to Grandma shark. There's there's all sorts sister. Sure. No, I don't I've done my best. So eat and earn eat eat and green E10 gern one. Pete guys, listen, let's get our stuff ETA everywhere. Oh, that's true. We have those things why Spider-Man shooters and fake know like those foam? Yeah, no more think everyone knows what happened real bullets Nerf gun is so we're he's confused then no what I'm saying? Is that bullets everywhere. That's not the problem. The problem is stop shooting you in the fucking nuts, you hit my eye. The eye is the thing other stuff the eyes what hurts? Yeah, and if you have you know, anyone from a four five six, so, you know, I think it eat they get They're like, alright, we're not gonna let my kids know. Oh, my nine-year-old Detective Munch. Shoot the shit out of those that are all gone though. Like like like what you to the point green says, no, the all the bullets are missing all the little foam things are missing, but we'll shoot anybody, but will he shoot people in the face and shoot me in the face sometimes but it means it's the thing you asked for forgiveness, not permission. That's what kids do the whole thing. Okay. Thanks. Good call the way until you get the wait until they get yelled at and be like, oh, I didn't know I couldn't do that. All you didn't know you can fucking shoot in my eyeball this other like a quiet. They're like corporate Renegades. So a bunch of people brought this up and I don't know what they are Judy Cedar home. He frerichs Miss Jackie O, LOL dolls. Check your kids at the door says, I hate LOL surprise dolls, the tiny pieces that it that they're full of tiny pieces that get eaten by the dog some LOL surprise. It's in there. It we have that check your kids at the door funny meme account and I and it's Graham check it out, but I don't understand what they are. They're just tiny little things. You don't know. I think it did. I'm getting I'm getting confused by nothing's Allah. Ya Allah all surprise another like think of the same thing as LOL dolls are really so they call them lol surprise. Some people call Mel. They have tons of tiny little accessories. Yeah, and then what the best you're thinking of I think so. No, but there's another thing. You're also thinking of okay. I'll tell you later. Cool. I'll tell you later. Thank you. Yeah, we but well, I'm waiting to get to the Bay 1880s is here. One of the worst toys is fucking slime. My house is filled with glue contact solution and a million bowls that have been ruined because of goddamn slam. You know, what between 80 maybe if you had a fucking slime bowl that you put next to your vomit Bowl. You wouldn't have that issue slimeball vomit ball when the difference just come to see ya mirjam Kids were making slime and it just smelled like you know, what? Oh my God. Here's the deal. You know, it's a trick question because guess what if there wasn't even The Mixing Bowl the whole time? Oh my God, you know what, so I thought you wanted to talk about slime. I fucking hate slime that it is that all you got. Do you know how how how many pieces of furniture have been ruined in your house by slime know my kids don't do Slackline every single piece of furniture. My house has been ruined by my kids not by slime. No, we don't have A slime kid slime family your family's a real fucking slimy like over a slime bag literally like father like family. Oh my God slime City. What a great. What a great use of that expression. That's a real like father like slime bag. I haven't said come back people say slime back. I'm a certain date says no, it's scumbag. Nestling bag you slime that happen. Sometimes slimeball. There you go. I have said that little Tremor 80 says my father. Five-year-old has started saying she wants Santa to bring her a doll that poops itself. I'm not paying to bring yet another ass that needs wiping into my house. She also wants to loom beads which are UK toys that involve tiny bits just said something about Aqua Beads, maybe so I might be making those two up then evolve the tiny pieces that need parental assistance, right? So they need your approval on it means of a lot of water the ones that absorb water what tipped you off. What's that? What tipped you off the other beads? I don't know anything about them. No, you know what they are. They're like the stuff that's diapers are made out of but they're big. Oh, yeah that gel shift that jail. Shouldn't you like put your hands? I did Community Management for Huggies. Oh my God. No way briefly. How'd it go? I learned a lot about that. That shit's not toxic and you can swallow is not a big deal. No you can yeah. Yeah, that's that's if I don't chug it but it's not but I mean you can do a little bit. I've tried it's not bad so meaning That when you're in college is everybody's really rip it over it. But no but I mean like and whenever you screaming like that everyone screaming no just rest assured write it out before you're fine. Look it's on the community manager guidelines and you'll ever you'll forever be known as the guy who ate Huggies diapers. I thought you can see forever your girl. Like I'm Paula Abdul. Nope, you know that that I got when I first got my first stereo ninth grade September 90 91 cares that right? Yeah, just hammered 90. I got a compact stereo that had a fucking turntable at the top type dual cassettes and a CD player that popped out the front. I got three CD. Wait. What for Christmas? No 90 September of 1990. Yeah. Okay. I got three. See my God. Let me go straight. I got that and a marble table is said to be all Armel table wasn't mine. Oh my God to inherit Alicia. I hope to inherit it my God, but it wasn't mine. So I got Abdul was it forever. Your girl is the name of the album. Yeah. I don't know. Is that straight up now? Tell me yeah, that's that album and cold-hearted slave I think was on there. I don't know if Opposites Attract or was that what that's the same Was the Same album. Yeah, DJ Scat Cat cartoon sketch. That's the cat in the cartoon. I got Billy Joel storm front which has Downeaster Alexa and I think maybe we didn't start the fire I've ever heard Downeaster Alexa. It's just this album. It's just High comedy. It's just very funny and very entertaining. I don't know why I got it because I liked Billy Joel's Greatest Hits that I had a brother is 10 years old and me who I guarantee. You bought me Billy Joel fucking storm front. Is that don't start We Didn't Start the Fire. I just said that do you even listen to me? Awhile? So dumb friend. I got Temple of the Dog because I really was into Eddie Vedder Oh Come. Alright, let's good. I just really only two good song about allow major strike and say hello to have a format that you get these are CDs for the first threesome. The turntable was The United Joel Bell Biv DeVoe from the from Caldor. I think the bubbledom. Oh wow ABC BBD. Is there anything you didn't do that? You want to tell us anything? I didn't do that. I want to tell you. Yeah, you're real. You're fucking Wordsmith. So the next category is noise and batteries. So these are the toys that make noise and take batteries that everybody hates Caitlin. Riordan says anything. I hate noise. We finally banned it this year. Like, how do you ban that? Like tell your family? Don't buy anything that makes noise. Sighs how about this? No has trucks. No, no fast charging make noise all the fucking noise and let that shit my house to the Jets bullshit Lego 1311 says I hate toys with batteries or ones that make annoying sounds. I also always worried about what grandparents / aunts and uncles will buy for my kid. I know it sounds awful, but I don't think there's anything wrong with checking with the parent first before you buy something that you know that you don't know if the kids will like or where so like, I think there's anything wrong with that like I'm my mom checks in with me like what are your kids want, right? There are some people like my brother I think Prides himself on trying to find like I know my nephew I want to buy him. Holy water cuz they guarantee our elements the recessed filters. I know makes a big difference. Also, you can do Coke out of them, but I don't think what are you talking about? I don't think there's anything wrong with like verifying. Hey, is it cool if I buy this and she says she has stuff in her house that her mom insisted she needed but it just sits abandoned in a corner or drawer anything going on. Voice went straight to put it beautifully. Would you fuck me? Oh my God. What a fucking Christmas episode. This is literally as Jame gumb Silence of the Lambs. I know everybody knows Ted Levine fucking Legend. I just watched him in the report recently. You know what not a good movie the report great and he and he it's not the heat. That's what Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy is a totally different film. Naoko mom says we always buy batteries early. Okay batteries are expensive when I go to my dad's house. He has a lot of batteries honestly amazonbasics the shit out of that. What's amazonbasics batteries? Just you media Amazon brand batteries. Yeah. Just you don't don't think just do robin Kay Thompson says she hates bullshit toys with batteries that make noise now the batteries don't the Robin. I don't want to be pedantic but the batteries aren't what makes noise. They generate the noise because the energy support provided by The Bachelor. Yeah, right just just be specific. I think I think I think the well, yeah, I mean, all right. Let's keep our eye you nailed that one Pete been teeny 80 says Melissa and Doug sound puzzles are the worst. They when you take out the piece that makes noise until you put the right piece back in my son had an animal one and it was hugely annoying going off constantly. I hated it. He lost a few pieces. We never found. So we threw it away. How often do you throw in like an annoying toy of your kids away? We should say my wife recycles, but you're going to I literally thought you were going We are Farmers bum bum. You went like we really perfect no and do it. Once again you drop that. My wife yeah, we get rid of toys. Oh, I know what if we gave it a toys a lot. Have you ever done? Have you ever heard this thing and it's good to get rid of toys, man. I can't wait. I grab my kids today. I think you'll even the Forum thrown out. I love sucking up Lego bits with the vacuum and then just be like, that's awesome. Guess what? You fuck shouldn't let them on the floor. So have you ever heard the discipline disciplinary tactic where parents will fill a bunch of fake presents? Oh and then when the kid does not throw no, I haven't done it. It's a little bit similar to that weird. That was going around a few months ago where that seems a little high the kind of stuff. You tried to feed a kid food. He didn't eat it. Oh, yeah and you try to get stuffed animal that shit was trapped doesn't sound like a good window. So grilled cheese E7 hates anything you have to assemble or that makes noise. Look, here's the real. Oh, no, here's the water bottles. No, here's the real beauty of Christmas it is you just simply do what you should do with every holiday. And you weaponize it number. Yeah. I know you weaponized everything. Yeah. You weaponize Restless the sacred. Yeah, because you say, oh boy. Did you just say it's called Santa now? We're getting into Elf on the Shelf which is the epitome of what size is is that I get into it. Is it just chill for a second building? Mica says, I built a toddler Kitchen last year. Lots of beer was on hand. So I built a stupid little Flintstone car for my kid last year and need me. Oh, you got it in pieces and you have to assemble it like mate with all the furniture. He's about to buy from Ikea right? And yeah, you got a beer and you have to do it on Christmas Eve a lot of times just to set it up and get it out for the thing. Wait. Hold on a second. Do you assemble Before Christmas ya know before you have to have the completed gift ready for them? What you give it to him in a box. Is it knock yourself out kid? So been teeny 80s is worried about that. Oh, I love this about 1780 says last year, but the to buy themselves year. I got my toddler a battery-operated red Mercedes and it didn't arrive until Christmas Eve and I begged my husband to put a get it put it together that night. So it would be there under the tree in the morning. The directions were all in German. A car was a total Beast to put together. It took him five hours and he was up until 3 a.m. And then grumpy the next day but my son loved it gives a shit about my husband his Christmas was ruined. Yeah, I did do that shit last year and I accidentally I missed apart and then put the stickers where that part we supposed to be. So like eyes were supposed to like googly eyes or something just put stickers and it just looks stupid but who cares the kid doesn't notice and at some point somebody called me out on Instagram because I posted it and I like fucking not you fucking fucked up. Wait a second, you're saying that these are like fully built presents that are around the tree and kids come up and they already see the half the fucking the joy is opening up a can exist. You can't see what it is. So you have never liked assembled the gift the night before like on Christmas Eve like that that been a part of the Christmas experience for you know, and it's never been a part of your kids. It's no to find like a bike put together or kind of well, they have found a yes. We can hold your gift and in like two weeks when I fucking get around to it because I'm tired already. I've been up early and then I have work coming up and it's New Years. So in like two weeks, I'll put together your donkey a hold on a second. What is Stan? What the fuck? Are you gonna do a boxer Parts on a second? It's between the hours of 5:00 5:30 a.m. And 8 a.m. You have to be then because the kids are fucking up and in your bed and the ready together in. Your bed on Christmas Eve for reals. That's the one night of the year know what that means. No. No, they come in. They're so excited early really like super and then from 11:00 to 2:00. You do your shit. Hopefully it's not all in German doesn't take you fucking five hours like been teeny 80s husband, right? My point is that after Christmas is over you then spend the rest of the day putting stuff together and it's like you build it. It's fun and well, I think it is the case the not have that thing it was If you if they got like a video game system, but you had the fuck you got a boat. It's well, you gotta build up right are the biggest presence of the beginning of the end last present but really but during the process for the city right there the whole time and you have it in like the fucking back hall or in the laundry room or some shit. I don't you fucking bring it out after you pretend you pretend they didn't get the one big thing. They wanted and you hold it over their head and you psychologically terrorize them you like weaponize a like and then of the very end like like, oh, can you go throughout the fucking trash in the back hall? And they go through all the trash in the back hall and they're fucking how about Red Line BMX bicycle is there? Okay, how about this how about there's a big-ass box and it's put together a how about there's a big-ass present at the back of the tree and every kid is like what the so you go through stockings and then you do this. It's only one of their say are the other kids exactly everything that put together weaponizing motherfucker. That's how we're working against no. All right, and then and then the rest of the day is putting Together and wonderful Sunday. All right. So what do what do you mean they want to play with it? They don't want to assemble it. That's an old wives tale like playing with toys Jesus Christ. Okay. So packaging came up to and I made a meme about it once and I'm not going to explain the me. Okay, just go watch the movie Commando and you'll get it. Ciaobella for says getting the shitty toy out of the packaging sucks. Then putting stickers on the toys. Okay, so you like like Creating. Yeah, if you stick the stickers are so final. It's like buying an airline ticket always makes me nervous. Yep, and you're like really this pulling the trigger. I really putting it on you like shit. What have I can angle it wrong? I'm not good at that stuff. I'm not good at most things stickers being the up at the top little charmer 80 been ttat and little charmer 80 dominated the comments on this been teeny $0.80 literally like she feel like nine fucking boxes. All right your box send me an email little charmer 80 says why are some toys package so Purely you get stuff that is literally screwed into the bottom need a screwdriver and scissors that are capable of cutting through impenetrable plastic. That's true. Sometimes you get that really thick plastic and it's fucking hard. You know, what the Tottenham the taught those zip ties that are gonna battle but they're in the back of the back. I've got the box. Yeah, so you'll take out the box and there's like a secret. Yeah. This is why it is like cardboard in between you and then that's when you kids at home your ended up with this what she said she goes and the kids are in your face the whole time you're trying to get it out. Out and you're just like you're frustrated. It's because it sucks and you're insecure because you're failing at it and your kids are in your face. Like why can't I play it's just like it. She's like it always gets us in the Christmas spirit. Have you seen that SNL skit with Matt Damon and whoever is on the hmm. That's actually really it's that was recent. I was this yeah, that was actually very glasses really sweet. It was all the whole it was like the worst part about it was like the reality of Christmas versus but he has a very good like he He likes to think back on it and think nice nostalgic lie. Yeah, one of the things I hate about Christmas is yeah you wake up early you wake up so early and you're like, you know, I'm really tired, but I like the only way I can get through. This is by drinking, but it's like it's too early start drinking or you start drinking early and you fall asleep early. No, you don't start drinking early and false know ye not get know you cause you have to fucking rap. You have to know I have to get your work beforehand unless you're assembling. Saying something. When do you write when you get to wrap? It depends on when you are the toys you do a days before my wife does it I'm the worst rapper you've ever my wife. I'm the worst rap reversing last year. I wrapped something. So well that I like department at my all you have and I've got me was like your great rap. That was it. You fucking you made that into a pun about wrapping. You were the whitest fucking person of all time. That's correct your wider than Eminem. That's absolutely clear any thrives on his white head. You should listen to my kid that it's There's sometimes on the weekends when I'm drinking. I will put on the YouTube that just the parts the battle raps at the end of 8 Mile enjoy watching in a mile. It's like a championship bouts like watching a sports movie and he has three Battle Raps where he freestyles against the three guys the leaders in every world and I'll just put that on and watch that eight minutes. It really gets my adrenaline pumping Anthony Mackie. Okay, where are my sisters stupid line from the movie? Anyway, wow, so Jenna Jenna, please which I'm pretty sure is what her name means Jenna please je n a plz says she hates puzzles and things that have too many pieces there the bane of my existence pieces we talked about with the elal surprise shit slime is Of the same thing LEGO obviously Play-Doh all this little white residue of this shit. Why why is it why is it so horrible? Because it's the one piece that's missing that your kid fucking you're talking about the hustles anything any little bit about the pieces Miss. I don't care about them finish what I'm saying is that's the one piece where did my my handbag go and you're like, I don't know and they're like and then of course meltdown happens in your like a gazelle missing their handbag handsome. Happens to us with Lego pieces. That's where I start. This is how many exactly where is his helmet? Where is Banks bandoliers the so the the lightsaber where's the camps? And then you ask you ask? Where do you put it this Lego have a Pulp Fiction set yet. They do. My son has a yellow submarine set. Okay, good good. He loves that fucking movie. It was my gateway drug into the good music for him and I thinking about it. Now. I don't know where like the he especially liked Beetle. They're called Minifigs and guys like other and I don't know where most of those guys are. Um, what is the film using story? Really? It's a cool. So you have Legos and you don't know where they are these Lego theme kit. You don't think they're very good. Let me let me let me get a pen and paper. Write this down and I want to lose recording it the recording the momentum parity. So Lego shit here these days because all the Lego shit now is themed kits right? It's a constraint things that as the upside down built in its Ghostbusters. It's the writing the Elon Musk truck now, I did see that. Yes, very funny. But like if you like that's the thing you build it once and then you basically have to maintain it as a fucking collectible exactly for the rest of your life or else it gets you take apart and gives mix everything else then all of a sudden it's like in meaningless, which is fine. You can which Frankenstein is a friend it between from when we were growing up when you would get were no no. No the work they were I wear a couple there are Star Wars though there weren't even that Star Wars. It was just like this is how you build a plane or something. You know, I mean, it was like it was more just sort of General right? Yeah shapes that you could build your building models But ultimately they all ended up in a bucket and then you were just putting red on green and blue. Yeah you put that we have together kids toys except for guess what they do. It's so specialized now. You can't mix it and you can't put a pirate ship. You can still mix and match them you grab the Lego pieces you fucking listen to me right now. You can wrong about it again put a pirate ship with a goddamn space plane. Why not? And guess if you see the Lego movies half of its about that frankensteining shit together actually teamwork by the way friendship. That is actually that's a whole thing in and of itself. There are sets of Legos that don't make any sense. Now they sell but they cost a crazy man. What are you talking about? The Lego Movie has spawned an entire series shit that doesn't make sense. It's like, you know the couch the master builder. Yeah, but the most recent one where it was like nonsensical like a rain like this is a rainbow. Yeah, there's like a rainbow unicorn and yeah, they're in like the so they sell sets now that like don't make any sense to they literally like you don't quite till he had actually better name. I don't know what the fucking had it. She's pretty funny that movie. My point being is coupled with Sciences like a movie tonight doesn't make any movie part to this stupid podcast. Nobody knows what you even talking about anymore. Yeah, but I seen something good coming up. Can I fuck you want to stop talking for a second? To and The Lego Movie are all about like random shit. No one is there you know what I'm talking about inside joke it is there a duck then something else. I can't wait when we get off this episode to tell you about some of the shit that happens in that abducted in plain sight thing. Oh, you don't even want to know but you're gonna know so I was something I was going to bring up but I did railed it just to shit on you for a second and it really was it was pretty good on that. Sierra Roxanne says she hates anything with tiny pieces that will be thrown out or thrown and lost as soon as it's open, of course, but she's decided I'm not buying toys for her kids this Christmas to teach them a lesson. They're on the naughty list. Whoo, how often especially like I worry about spoiling my kids, especially when it comes to like the Christmas and stuff and there are definitely like withholding stuff are threatening to take away things or like you need to earn. This is a key part of my disciplinary technique may not be the most evolved. But it is what it is. But then the end of the day most of the time like you want you especially on Christmas like you want your kids to be happy and end up getting in the shit. We don't go overboard and get them every fucking thing ever. Like they're not like whatever but all they have is I feel like a marble table. No you get off the where's your where's your brother live? 1% land, Westport, Connecticut exactly where the fucking 1% live, but I just said well, I just reiterate it but here Here's the thing Christmas is about keeping the that that mystery alive for the kids. That's why if you make the toy ahead of time, I think it I think it ruins it a little bit. Oh my God. Oh my God, that's your defense. You see the kids getting something and if you keep it unassembled, they don't know what it is. So you're like, hey, here's your box of parts and you don't tell them what it is. We're talking about box apart you they open it up and they're like, holy shit I gotta Good like Millennium Falcon Lego when you gonna put together the Millennium Falcon Lego piece. I'm obviously not going to do that pick a side pick a side Lego is a toy hashtag. So logic play with the Museum of the put together putting it together is the poor boy. That's the whole fucking thing. You know, what put together a bike being like, hey, here's your bike. Once you fucking figure it out. Yeah exactly your six months. Here's a here's a you're not yourself. Here's an allen key. Pick the right one. This is going to be frustrating for you. Welcome to adult. Yeah. Oh bloody knuckles boohoo. So true story. I loved the Karate Kid film when I was a kid. My parents want me to wanted me to take karate, but I was scared that the evil sin saying karate would be like like my son I would be like him and I would have no not Pat Morita the good sense a that I would always have to do push-ups on my Knuckles and I made me too scared what give that guy the right to be a Sensei which one? The blonde dude, he was just like a blow. He was like the Proto the bad guy Martin Cove is like 1984 Proto male just like a blond. He wasn't blind. He's he was he had brown hair Johnny Lawrence his blog. He was Johnny Lauren. He was gonna know that Lawrence with the Cobra Kai brown hair. I'll bring up his name after fucking look it up if I had my Sensei Kris John crease so I don't want him beat. Out of commission God I will fucking we should do a viewing party of cricket. It's so good. I saw that, you know so many times we were on vacation and my brother wanted to see Red Dawn. Okay, so my brought my dad took you some Red Dawn. Yeah, we're on fucking vacation we go to movies on vacation. I mean, I thought this was in 2011 now because I think just I was a child Red Dawn was in the theaters either the first or second PG-13 movie depending on who you believe. If Dreamscape and Red Dawn Dreamscape was actually Escape is pretty scary. Yeah the snake part. Yeah fucking freaking out saw that guy in the subway wants from the warrior. He's the warrior. Yeah. So Red Dawn we were going to the movies and my dad and my brother who is three years older than me went to see Red Dawn but I was deigned to Young. So I went to see chronic it for like the fifth time in the theater. This has been movies were in the theater for like a year like a hit movie. So the karate kid came out with my mom crying kid came. Out a year before Top Gun. So you might remember I find tell you in my childhood that they were in theaters at the same time because gratitude such a hit. It was in a theater for so long and then Top Gun starter than Top Gun was it I may have flipped those chronologically, but I don't think so. This is the Christmas episode folks. We are all over the place. All right. So now we're gonna get into a bunch of random shit about the worst parts of Christmas. All right, stay tuned folks if there's a Halloween seen in the Carotid. Grunting is a Christmas scene. Oh, yeah, when the skeletons yeah, it's Halloween. I know I'm saying when the skeletons when the skill they dress up his health. I know what they have seen the film. I'm trying to remember because I don't watch it every fucking then he can't from Rita juncos and he said I guess 55 year old man. He beats the shit out of my vagina. So when he was are repercussions 20 years younger than time. No repercussions. I need your opener. So okay La bruja guatita. Probably pretty offensive the way I pronounce that right there, but I hope not says that she hates the Elf on the Shelf garbage and the movies for it are worse. I don't know we've got to be off on the Shelf phenomenon. We don't have to do it. We do it. We don't have one we got gifted it and it's the were somebody else got gifted it. No, it's the worst gift that's ever happened to her house because motorist lime. Actually you contradict yourself my God. Now, what do you think Johnnie Cochran? How do you Johnnie Cochran you just fucking close the case on my ass if you hate yourself, it ain't the elf. Boom doesn't even make any sense Nate. We said boom and then realized I'd like to retract that. Yeah. Did I say boom? I don't even know what I'm saying it one. Look nobody likes the Elf on the Shelf. So somebody here says do we do it with let's explain what Elf on the Shelf is because everybody knows no, no. No, they don't Erica not says my mother-in-law gifted my kids in elf. So in Elf on the Shelf is like an emissary from the North Pole is definitely a mirror. It's definitely in the u.s. It's not it's not everywhere else gives a fuck. We're in the US. Yeah, like I love other way. Other people that don't people understand that we talk about the things that are fucking relevant to our lives asking I'm asking you to fucking explain I think finding again, it's an emissary from the fucking North Pole that the the Gambit is that the elf is in the home of all the kids who may or may not be naughty and he's watching spying on behalf of Santa to help well formed and this is why snottiness yes, I mentioned earlier the naughty/nice list. So the alpha supposed to like Watch the kids. So one night the office on the fucking shelf staring at the kids and then the next night the office like in your pillowcase and you're supposed to move it every night. Look, I'm just saying I don't have one. I assume it's a fucking trick you talking about it you Bill first of all this so just as a pervert. Let's take a step back. This is a book that somehow there was a book. Yeah. This is a whole. There's a whole. This is a book that then became because when the u.s. Merch and so what happened the rest of the country hates merchandise, it's called fucking Euro Disney says it exists. It sure does. Yeah, and it's Magical Kingdom. So the Magical Kingdom The Elf on the Shelf is a book that then became a doll and the whole point of it is so the book was transformed into a dolphin by like a witch exactly know the doll becomes basically sits on sits in your house. And the whole point is its supposed to watch over. He's it doesn't watch over you. It's spies on you're Has to be able to think you re supposed to use this Elf on the Shelf to like be like wait, were you not good because Alpha shelf can move second nanny cam, but now as a parent you got a fucking move that thing every night but no one does people do if you're one of those parents that successfully moves a thing every night you re-evaluate your priorities your kids if they but fucking believe in the Elf on the Shelf, they'll be cool with it being like, oh, he didn't move one night, you know deal with it, you know, Ryan 8. I put it I put it right on my son's face you Attach it to his face. Yeah, and then and then every every night like an alien. Oh, you know what? Yeah, so every night it would finding it seed in your son so that it can infect the rest of the crew. Yeah. No. No, it's hand button that she'll put I put its little hand in. My son's lip. I would watch an Elf on the Shelf alien mashup. Yeah, whereas like an elf and it it suction itself to your face and implants. So here's what we would do. I would em in every night. The Prometheus self would be free elf elf would be in a different. Spot in the house and every morning I would wake up on my son's face you just so you that's how you parent motherfuckers pretty good. That's pretty good. Is he terrified of elves and also you guys honestly we haven't seen in a long time. He's been in his room under the bed. So Gehrig and Sarah cannot says that that my her mother-in-law gave her the often our kids still love them years later, but he's a lazy off which is the thing you can do right these days the upstate so supposedly there's somebody told me there's like a lazy gnome which is like the antidote to the owl. You can just have a gnome that you'd be like he's watching you, but you don't really give a shit W underscore Colin says Elf on the Shelf is the fucking worst. Like let's just add a reason to argue with the wife. Yeah, exactly. That's it. Did you move the Elf on the Shelf now, did you do not did you know I was too busy doing this. So, where are you? Because guess what? Can I tell you one of the worst? I didn't move the most passive aggressive things that I do with my wife is so okay. We're going to start with her. First okay, one of the the obnoxious passive-aggressive things. She does is she will say we in regard to a chore that is really just mine. Oh, we should really do this and she's really just telling you should really cut the tree. Yeah cut the bottom. We should really saw the bottom of the tree off tomorrow when we have a chance. So we we so what I do sometimes is she'll ask me if I have done something. I'll say no. Did you such a dick like you take the garbage out? No, did you it's really fucking That it's pretty pet and you know what? That's what I enjoyed every time honestly, that's what marriage is based on she called me out on it recently. She was like, you know, what you doing that I know what you did. She's basically like I know what you're doing, and I don't appreciate I see you. Kkw 27 says Elf on the Shelf if I could go back in time and that might be in the top five things. I would change. I don't know if she's saying she would change ever introducing it into her into her house or if she would change its exist. It's not that would you go back and murder the person is created Elf on the Shelf to prevent the world from being Afflicted. This is a strong the you do it. Obviously we're having a good time here. No, we having a really bad day. I'm pretty sure my God you almost getting a series of Water bottles. Would you just say you heard what the fuck? You just say? Sorry. I didn't mean to bring up a water bottle water bottles job Ian water bottles pts. David S water bottles. We're going to start calling you Pete as water bottles. So Elf on the Shelf is really not that bad. They're an idiot. Everybody hates Elf on the Shelf. It's a pain in the ass who moves it you or your wife I do. Yeah, right. I just thought I don't know. I just I come. Home and I just do it nobody's that serious about this shit which is bitching know. I know I would have program. I'm sorry. You're breaking a realize character. We started realize start away on me. All right, let's go. Keep going out all this time. It's pending with me is really darkening your heart and you don't like it shit. My Sheila life says that watching everyone gets so freaking stressed out over gifts as the worst part. Yeah, because that's because she's not buying any one. Well, you know, she is buying him. You should know you're saying that yeah, she's just watching it. Back like with her. Yeah. She is pretty lazy might be life, please. You know what get off your ass my shitty life. You just got fucking roasted by Pete as pumpkins. What was it pts water bottles? Yeah penis but shallow says he doesn't like Gatherings of more than 8 people. He is a very small family but his wife has a huge Irish one and it's too much. So these two things go hand in hand for me. I have a really small family. We have like me my three brothers and my parents and then our respective spouses our girlfriends or whatever and that's about it. My wife has a big family. So like I will say that it gets it can get a little boring like the the holidays when I go to Connecticut. It's just kind of the same people all the time. It's not a lot of new blood and not a ton of people. So it does get a little bit from one of my friends from the neighborhood or whatever. Sometimes I'll pop by and stuff but I don't have I don't live with the care about signs the kind of oxides. Yeah. Well Trump 2020 people actually attracts people and where my parents are from. My parents are not shrimpers. Okay Boomer they're not. Okay. Anyway, I'm saying that the like it gets a little boring. But yeah. Having tons of people can be overwhelming as well. And what we have done is just to avoid we didn't have a lot of people but like buying for everybody is annoying. So we've done like a everybody picks a name. So like every couple gets another couple to buy for so you don't buy for all five. You just buy for one and do that kind of thing. So that might make things easier for you my Sheila life or for your friends. Yeah, because Pete doesn't think that you actually play any part. Yeah. I think you're pretty much not Paula Paula ski says the worst of the expense of Christmas when you have a big family plus all the other people like Teachers Day Care you have any problem you have to pay teachers. Let me teachers have a really hard job as a parent your kids. I'm so nervous. I get happy to do that. Yeah, me too whenever someone's like hey, we should I'm not saying it's not a pain in the ass this time. Let's try agree with Paul, but it's not like you don't do it bus driving a little something something. Oh my god, dude, I gave him a fucking full pound of weed. He was so happy was he is illegal in New York? Mmm, right your kids go to school in Massachusetts. I forgot. Well the thing is he just he had just finished. Giving me the weed and then I gave it back to him. That's right. Get all - yeah, that's why I give all my Paul doesn't also also doesn't like hearing Christians music and in every overly crowded store. I went to Macy's this weekend to bring my kids to see Santa in Herald Square like the flagship Macy's in the center of Manhattan. Here's what we would understand you can make a reservation online. It was saves your life. You don't have to wait in line. It's expressed you go right through you missed the line where like you can see like the trains and Santa Land, but you see Um of that anyway, no, not this year gone fucking right through when right through so I'll Santa my three-year-old was super excited like bouncing up and down to meet Santa my nine-year-old was like, that's a fake beard. Right? So we're like shocked shut your mouth. Shut your fucking you fucking jerk at the beach hates. When way too late Christmas gifts and toys and activity sets that aren't close to age-appropriate. I don't know way too late Christmas gifts means but I do know what it's like to have like a family member by your kid something that is like three years younger than the kid what well so that my 12 year old now, my parents would always get close or always do get clothes those so they would get clothes for my daughters and I guess my son not really my son but my daughters and now my 12 year olds like No more classes. They have terrible taste. Yeah, let me choose my own click. I don't need another jumping bean like love T-shirt with like like in Christmas story where the kid? Where's the bunny suit that ever happened? Something like embarrassing. You don't remember that from a Christmas wondering what happened? Why are you get the sense him like a pink bunny suit in the dad makes them are the mom makes him put it on and it seemed in November where the last thing it's a classic. I think he looked pretty hot in it. All right, so it's It is Doogie Howser. No, I almost brought it up. Like if you if dukey's ankles are in the mix. It's just game over man. What up, dude? He's wearing jeans. He wears jeans. Doesn't he? I only remember one booty house. Boohoo. He do he has ever said anything like a plate because he for whatever reason he gets sent from his private school or the doctor the hospital works at and he has to go to a public school a genius. He has to go to a public school for whatever reason the the princess the epidermis of the episode not Show know the premise the high-concept premise of the show is that he's a genius Dieter. He's 11 years old. There's an episode where he has to spend the day at a public school or whatever and he's such a nerd and a genius that everyone picks it up and he gets in a fight and it's like 3 o'clock. I asked to go fight and during the fight. He liked the guys bigger than him and he's overmatched and he like does he fucking knows if I fucking hit your cochlear? Whatever you need a huge, um with the fucking strongest part of my hand and fucking you get dizzy and then I could get it. Remember my know what you're saying LP know you have any Wanda never thought Wanda was worthy of a crush not as good-looking as Winnie and I wasn't even in a Winnie from The Wonder Years not any either of them that was a little garbage. But have you you're in of those have you heard about this? Nine-year-old? Who's graduating college? No, I feel sorry for him. Yeah, he's in nine years old the Netherlands reason like, what's he doing with his life? Whatever the fuck he want now not true. No, really part of the system now. No, it's quite amazing speaking of do you Hazard? I'm proud of years old. He's graduating. Do you have this not nine years old. I know. He's 3 years to fuck's sake do this is like, all right, so we're done. Okay, so so been teeny 80 who I feel like deserves the last word because sent so many fucking words. I mean, he's up honestly like have some self awareness about how much you're sending me in the car. Let's hear it. Let's hear it paints a sport. We find that she says okay. I love Christmas in theory the parties the lights the festive nature of it all yes, but getting gifts for my kids and my extended family teachers Etc is extremely stressful and time consuming. I'm always up late Christmas Eve wrapping and organizing and I'm exhausted on Christmas day. It's a lot of effort and build up for just one day and then poof it's all over and that's just garbage day. Excuse me in Canada and the UK you call that box. Someday, which is actually the best fungus in Holiday. Yeah, it's such a hot baggage. You just all you don't be do boxing day you sit around your pajama. You know what that should be that should be the day after the Super Bowl the United States. You know what it's like it's as close to Thanksgiving as you can possibly get really except for the know. They have Thanksgiving. You're embarrassing not UK. You sound believes you ever lived there. Alright, so we do a little segment called the listeners reactions to our dumb Insight which is sponsored by Kinder. Perfect this week. You can go to Amazon and use the code 20 off dad's to get this Cards Against Humanity for parents card game, or you can go to 25 Daddy. It's at Kinder perfect. And you know what? We have a good time playing it. It's really fun. Yeah, we played a lot. I played all the time, so I want to start. Sarge's comment. Oh you do you yeah, I want you to he's also he's totally stealing my kids fucking shit. I can see right here. You're stealing my nickname that I created for my son. So, you know what you should you should address are directly. I haven't even read this comment. I'm reading it for the first time right now. Joseph died chasing one of our beloved patrons. I literally he's in the physiology Hall of Fame. He's on the mountain Russia's the OG haven't heard from a lot lately. I know baby it was he knows he's crossed the line. He says so I'm going back one episode. My son calls himself jackhammer your son calls himself jackhammer. It's convenient. Therefore. I did not Jack Mike's nickname for his son. We've talked about this before your son told me that your son's nickname is the hammer. So my oldest son nicknamed his younger brother the hammer when before he was born because he was upset that I was going to have a younger brother and he want to know if he can name them and we said, what do you want to name? He said toilet. We said you can't name him toilet. And I said you can help come up with a nickname and he said how about hammer? And I said that is fucking awesome. I am. Refer to him as the hammer that is not how I refer to my kid in real life though sometimes right? So he says I am merely honoring you gentlemen in your brilliant. First of all. I-i'm really honoring you gentlemen in your brilliant ideas of naming your children and wives instead of using their real names. Could we hold up for a second? Pete? Its Collective does its name elective? It's absolutely shit. I came up with mergers and Acquisitions for your daughter after you use that a bunch. I used it a million. Yes, I know but you weren't like this should be her nickname. How about this my oldest my middle and my youngest that's the same openness is what he's but this is the opposite of what he's praising us for. It's the opposite. It was that just the creativity is just pouring out his kid. So Sarge look, we appreciate you obviously. Credit where credit's due this guy brings fucking when it comes to nicknames the nothing to the table. We're gonna come up with I hate a bunch of nicknames for my stupid kids. I hate laundry and dishes right kids where those are my silent jobs and they won't get done. If I don't do them same I've tried the waiting game, but I lose every time because shit piles. Hi same. I think my wife uses the excuse that she cooks and birth to our children, so I have to do some fucking work Cooks. And birth are our children. Yeah. She did she cook your children Sarge shims kiss syntax is important phrasing chefs get phrasing. There you go phrasing. All right. So Jason Thomas, we alluded to earlier who is giving us some shit because we appreciate our patrons and the people that spend some time to send some money to us. You know, what well, yeah, exactly. And Jason the other day was was talking about ungrateful taking but I think that was our Thanksgiving episode is our Thanksgiving so he was annoyed that he Memorize any memorized all of the patron patreon patrons names and I think that you should you know, what you got a pretty good memory there Jason. I am a proud of you for being able to do that and I we would invite you on to in real time or set all those names and let's see how close your eyes and come down for when is that the fucking easiest thing in the world to remember? Is it Desiree kissling my no idea if that's even right. There's a Monica on there. Yeah. What else we got? We got Julia McCarthy Joseph diet it can I Name them all for you Jason you happy are you just reading you reading from not reading anything you're reading from your brain. I wasn't reading from my brain you doing that's not what it looks like to the side and think I have a photographic memory. No I'm saying you reading from your did you ever watch a Quantum Leap? I fuck Sam Beckett. Why have they what happened to Donald be Bella sorrow do sir? That's who you're worried about. Yeah, you're right. Yeah to was this Murder She may canal. Nate doesn't know you anyway why have they not how have they not remade Quantum Leap for like HBO or like I don't fucking listen to me. They may like the FX version of Quantum Leap where it's like you can swear a little bit. It's a little bit grittier and he's jumping in because he says oh but look that was the kind of show where that show comes on. I'm like, oh, I don't like this episode and then I watch the next two minutes and I'm like, I'm hooked in like though. This premise is stupid. Then you watch two minutes you ever and hook do you ever watch the episode where he Meets the devil. Yes kind of woman Gary who's the woman there was an episode we like the woman who was like an evil leaper. You remember that one? No, I just use short hair. No, I remember the one where very low almost with an order where the devil was like you think you can leap through time and he I've seen that one. There was an episode. He's that got a bar and it may be the devil was the bartender maybe something like that great fucking show by the only guys Let's justlet's 2019 the 2020s. What's next decade called the 20s? It's not the Roaring Twenties. What is it the boring fucking 20s? All right, you know what? I think we nailed it. This episode was a little bit off the wall and I blame you. Okay. Well good. You shouldn't a roofie. Good job. Yeah, you know what? You need a good Roofing Kinder. Perfect 20 off Dad's on Amazon. I've Daddy. I was Kinder. Perfect. We love you one doesn't work one place switch it around. Thank you very much figured out. This was a bit of a few went to college. I see shit show, but we love it and every minute of it. Happy New Year. We'll see you next time.

Why are toys hard?!! You know those toys we're talking about. The ones that kids wont' stop asking for and that require 30 mins of your time to set up, they play with for 20 mins and 30 mins of cleanup? In these divided times I think we can all agree that toys shouldn't need any adult supervision, right? Who's with me?! Viva La Revolution!! Mike and Pete get into it.

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After show I'm your host Veronica Valencia and joining me today. He is a producer he edits all the awesome short form content. You are probably seeing on all of our platforms and a big fantasy nerd everyone Round of Applause for Vita. Thank you for joining me Hello. Thank you so much V. Thanks for having me on the show. I'm super excited about it. I'm super excited to have you. I've I haven't had a partner in a long time. So I'm happy to talk to somebody I was about to say I've seen a lot of your solo shows. Yeah. Seen a lot of those through the short form content, but I'm happy to be here. Oh my God Carnival row, honestly, I'm this show is so exciting. I clearly I do other fantasy stuff here, and I'm so excited and you know, we're going to get into the episode. We're going to talk all about kind of I won't talk about the world and the world building the themes that are going to be continuous throughout the season. We're also going to be doing some deep dives into the characters that were introduced to this season. So vignette and Philo, but before we get into any of that or excuse me, And we also have some news and gossip and we have a wonderful special segment of video is going to do taking us on a little lesson down mythical row introducing us to some of the great creatures that we are introduced to in this show. But before we get into any of that Vita, I want to get your overall thoughts on essentially what's the pilot episode? Absolutely. So when I dove into this I came in with kind of lukewarm talk about it because it's getting a lot of critical reception, but honestly, I really enjoyed the immediate sense of World building. Adding that they gave from that opening static shot on the statues that they gave that looked like a war memorial to like leading us right into this battle or it's not really a battle but the runaway that the fairies are having against what was left of the armies that were invading their lands. It was just immediately set me on the right track for this it set me on such a look at this grungy Dark World filled with magic, which I've loved. I love when people can mix magic and this kind of like darker Vibe a little bit. But yeah, I loved the introduction of care as character vignette. I and leading into her relationship with phyllo. We saw Orlando on that little plaque. I didn't even it's funny. I didn't even realize it was Orlando at first and then when they did the like fade into his face, I was like, oh that's why yeah, but I yeah, I don't know. I think the World building has been great so far. I think that The the aesthetic that they set up is so wonderful to look at in the costuming and the music everything just really threw me into this world. How about you? Oh, I loved it from the beginning. I'll be perfectly honest my kind of I like fantasy. And so I was like Orlando Bloom, you know Cara Delevingne Ali I should give this a try but also I think recently kind of the thing that pushed me to watch this show as quickly as I did was I wanted to give more love to Amazon Prime shows. I've been getting into a few of them recently on Go too deep into that but I was like Amazon Prime has been doing some really great show. So I want to see kind of how they tackle, you know fantasy and kind of going off of what you are saying. Actually I love you know, how you brought up World building. I think we should go into that first because I too love this type of role that they built, you know, I've watched so much fantasy where it's very Game of Thrones, you know, Lord of the Rings kind of this whole land kind of thing of Nature and then there's fantasy that takes place in you know, Like New York City all this stuff, but I love how like you were saying. This world is grungy. It's kind of like touring era is steampunk steampunk. It almost seems like out of place that says but I love it. Absolutely and like the addition what really threw me off at very first I did not expect guns right off of the top but they like really threw you into like World War 1 steampunk. They've got guns. They've got all the aesthetic with the gas mask. They've got the dogs and I found that really interesting that they introduced that up top and then we started seeing the Texture that was very like Victorian asked we got to see like the like bowler hats and the top hats and everything and I was really surprised because it really reminded me of a graphic novel the way that they set this up and I know that they I'm pretty sure that they have a graphic novel that they set alongside this like a comic series that they produce but just the cinematography that they had just every frame looked to me like it was a frame in a graphic novel and it reminded me so much of a lot of the Aesthetics. Of recent art that people are trying to do with that especially with like the lovecraftian vibe that they have that I'll talk about later in mythical row. I was gonna say I also have some lovecraftian ideas for the very end of this episode. We will get to that solutely. So I kind of want to dive into vignette because you know, as you were saying it opens right out of the gate and we see her basically being a complete Warrior right off her. Yeah. She's oh my gosh. He's great. I just like the the immediate Ends of how much she's been through through how she handles the that dog. I'm just gonna call it a dog for lack of a better word with it. I think it's a wolf. They called The Pact and the pack. Yeah, that's a wolf. Yeah. Oh isn't the pack to the reference to like isn't that the group that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like The Pact dog whatever the way that she handles that just in comparison to all the other women, which we also find out later why that was all happening. But like she just took out that dog immediately. Immediately like she took out that dog. Like it was no problem at all. And it was so obvious that she's seen a lot of battles. She's seen a lot of War. She's seen a lot of scary things and she's handled herself so easily. Hi, I loved the way that they introduced her character because it didn't even require her really talking at all. You just got this immediate sense of yes. I am. So for her, she's protecting her own kind. She's really like she's going against whatever's happening here. And yeah, I don't know I I loved her and I thought Cara Delevingne did a great job so far even just in this first episode. I honestly like really fell in love with the character. How about you? Oh, I loved her too. I thought that she came, you know right out of the gate, you know, like this is my character. She's going to be fares. She's gonna protect her own she's gonna do what she needs to do to get the job done kind of thing and speaking of getting the job done. I kind of want to morph like go into kind of talking about the decisions that she's making so to jump a little bit of a head we see, you know the ship Sinks, which I want to give a shout out to everyone who is joining us in the chat by the way. Hello. Hello? No, I didn't know that we have actually yes, I do you do you shouldn't have it pulled up. I want to shut up right now Billie Jean girl 24 in the chat Jean Carlito. I hope that's how I pronounce your name is saying great show and then Billy Gene same the ship getting destroyed and everyone drowned was sad. Oh my God, it was so sad and then you and then ER is grandpa saying yeah that total ship. Caught me by surprise. They ain't playing. No, they're not absolutely not I was I was so surprised that like when I saw the whole breach, I thought there was some chance that they would be able to save it. Like maybe she would find some way but as soon as the second hole just opens up. It's just that I'm like it's what's gonna happen already? Oh my God, and so after we Flash Forward, you know, she basically has to become a servant in order to pay off her debt, but I kind of want to talk to you about is the vision kind of she made to basically live this life. So she's talking with tourmaline her friend who she meets up at within Carnival row and she's talking about kind of you know, how she had a job to basically bring people to Carnival roast. So it's like they're immigrants. They're essentially leaving this place of you know, Terror and chaos and danger to go somewhere of Refuge. But of course, they're going to a place where they're not necessarily welcome. And so what I kind of wanted to get your opinion, On was why do you think vignette herself never just came over to the Berg like tourmaline. Did it just kind of established? Like why do you think she chose this kind of almost savior complex in a way to bring all these people. I mean, we all want to be heroes, you know, I think that might have something to do with it. But I also think she just like judging by her immediate the understanding that you get of her experience in War. I think she just knows how much she can handle and it's so obvious compared to the other fairies that we're introduced to off the bat that they just are pretty much defenseless. At least on this island the remainder of what's happening between the packed and them they just get mowed down they get killed so easily and it seems like she's the only one that really was able to defend herself in any regard. So she might have a sense of like Duty about it that I think probably comes to anybody that like would fight for their people but Maybe the decision was almost selfish in a way because she knew she was putting herself in the danger and she feels as though she's the only one that can do it, but I don't know. I wonder what would have happened if in that instance she died during that battle would it have felt like something that was worth it to her? I think so. I know I agree with that completely. I kind of agree with what you were saying to is that maybe just her in her own character, you know because this episode did in open up with basically a little backstory of the war and then it opens up with her. So we kind of put two and two together. Oh, she was probably part of that, you know years ago seven years ago, but she probably you know, like you're saying does see that she has the experience to survive this experience to help. She probably knows the land better than everyone because it seems like she's been doing this for a while definitely. So no, I agree. I would definitely say that she probably has this she wants to be the hero she wants to be able to help her own kind. More more that than anything absolutely. Yeah. I don't know she her character just like the empathy that comes from her character. Also right off the top is just incredible. I mean, she's like she's kind of a cold character and we can see that in the interaction on the boat and then kind of the interactions there after not to jump too far ahead. But to like see her interacting with the police in the Burgh and then also showing her interacting with the head of the ship. It's just obvious that she's very transactional in a lot of things that happen between Between humans at least I find it interesting that we don't really see a lot of interactions between her and and fairies in this first episode and like the one that she does she's getting thanked on the boat for doing all of this and she's like no don't thank me and I just find that so interesting because it's like look just take the thanks. I guess like you don't need to be like Broody, but I guess in this world you do have to be as you say bringing a Broody and like even what you were saying about How our actions are very transactional on how she interacts with people in the Burgh. It's probably because of the way that they are treated differently, but you know who doesn't treat them that way or lie low Orlando Philo are good boy good boy Fila. Let's get into his character and his introduction a little bit. So Doom and Gloom. Oh my gosh. I mean, I think he's less Doom and Gloom than vignette definitely in a sense but initial reactions on Hello, edgy. He's so edgy, but I live for it. I honestly like when when that fade happen when the Crossfade happened between his picture and him sitting in the train. I was like, oh, this is a man that is like serious. This is a man that I'm not going to get any jokes from but I don't necessarily need that. He liked the interactions that he first have has with the two cops that are standing in the street that are mistreating the one Puck I just like I almost didn't expect him to go as deep into that as he did because he just immediately like he knocks that dude right off his feet. Yeah right onto the ground and it's exactly what I wanted. I love how both vignette and Philo are basically introduced as characters. No one wants to mess with badasses shouldn't mess with them so much. But you know, I from the beginning, you know, he is introduced as someone who is sympathetic towards solutely not just favorite kind of critch kind in general purchase, I guess being the derogatory word. Yeah creatures in the show. Yeah. I don't know. I was thinking about a lot about that and how I wanted to talk about it because they definitely have a lot of derogatory terms for all of the faithful. Maybe we should just say faithful. Look. I don't know. I mean, they wouldn't safe a pop folk, but I and I'm excited to maybe hear about this in mythical row if Puck is even the correct term because it's said by so many people absolutely that Our that do discriminate against you. I guess we'll stick around to find out but basically phyllo is here at carnival row because he is investigating a string of attacks. Yes, a string of murders of innocent faithful quic, we find out and side note kind of going to your point earlier. I found it. So interesting how he obviously knew so many of these people like as opposed to the cops that were introduced they like just treated them like they were anything else but he like went up to the girl. I was like, yeah, how's your father doing and like knew her father and like was able to go into that and that like was a great Showcase of his character in my opinion. But yeah, he basically kind of explains that in the first episode was they asked him like, oh, why do you have such an affinity towards you know these creatures and he says, well I serve to get with them. I've served side by side with them in the warbird and I hate the way that the Berg is treating them. I think there's much more to it than that, but I think that's how he politically explains it. Salute to you know, the not necessarily hire Society but to you know, the Normie absolutely. Yeah, absolutely to those like uncie Li Jack who is causing all of these weird murders that are going on. I thought it was really interesting the way that they introduced that character because like showing a victim of one of his crimes. I mean, it's it's General like procedural kind of show but like it's it was so empathetic. I've really felt for the puck that was injured in that. Determination because she was just it was so obvious that she was just a sweet old lady that was just minding her own business and then like then and this show is graphic. Oh my gosh will so grab want to get into more of that episode 2 where we expand so save that for absolutely but yes, and I mean Amazon Prime they are like we're gonna do they're doing they're doing whatever they want to they're They're copying HBO kind of in that sense in my opinion, but I don't know. I just the showing her injuries up front. And showing how much she was affected by it and then showing his emotional feeling towards it. It allowed me to see him as a brooding character, but also feel very empathetic towards him, and I liked that I liked the whole situation surrounding him trying to find this out rather than being like a bad edgy cop. He was like, look, I really care about you guys, and I just want to find this killer. Please help me out. I'm sorry that you're going to have to relive this whole big murder, but or I guess it wasn't a murder. It was an attack in this case, but please just Yeah, just help them out really quick shout-out to our sponsor guys. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or your computer creation tools allow you to hit record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great. They'll even distribute your podcast for you so that it can be heard everywhere that Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. So download the anchor app or To Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Yeah, and you know what he even visits tourmaline. She basically puts it so well, it's like, oh, we don't trust you because you're not going to help us which brings me to want to talk about kind of in one bubble both the politics and the Society of Carnival row. So let's go into the politics side for a minute. We're introduced to you know very much like today. It's we have the two sides. We have the longer Bane's of the world who don't want creatures in The burg to begin with and then we have the brakes pierside who you know, he's not necessarily sympathetic towards them but he is more understanding of like hey, you know what they were part of our war. So that's why they're here. This is how I'm going to explain it. Yeah, and I remember that screen of it was it was beIN pointing at him and being like we should have won that war. We should have won that war and it was so interesting to me to see this kind of like Parliament back and forth while so kind of being like a congress kind of thing going back and forth with this because like the bipartisanship that they try to introduce in this. I mean, they're obviously making a lot of throws two references to yeah current situations, but it's I also found that interesting that they don't really make him very empathetic towards all of the folk. They just kind of make him like look they were with us they might as well stay with us and we can't like throw them on the street or continue to let them die. Whereas the other ones just like not let him die. I don't care. I don't know it was and the way that they kind of introduced the politics into this really also gotten the invested into it. I didn't find myself being like backing off of it of being like yeah, this is obviously unimportant like this is their society their society is groups of people groups of men and women specifically humans that are kind of like neutral and passive towards everything that are happening to the folk and then there are just The ones that just want them to be dead or gone, they don't care. They're like the remnants of what was the original army. What was The Pact and yeah, I don't know. What are your thoughts on it? What how do you how do you feel about the whole like introduction to the bipartisanship? Generally? I thought it was I thought it was a good introduction to give us kind of how severe the you know kind of discrimination is with the with the crutch foci. I don't even want to say Chris. Okay, it was a really good insight into just kind of how severe both sides were or even the fact that you know, like you were saying break Spears like they were with us and they're going to stay with us and they haven't necessarily enforced laws of like, oh, you can't own this or you can't do that kind of thing. Absolutely and it's interesting because although breaks beer is more of the neutral side. He's still very much for your Scandal. Absolutely. And this is where we get to his son Jonah. Oh Jonah. Oh you troublemaker you I you Troublemaker why but you know he's and I don't know if first instinct of Jonah do you think you know he is using the PHA for sport or do you think he's like a these people are fine. This is how I spend my time kind of thing. I think his wealthiness and his place in politics allows him to be able to like not care. Either way. It's interesting that you say that though because in other people's eyes, he should care he needs to probably keep that clean professional like Mom with his mom with his that appearance of like, you know, I'm the chancellor son. I can't afford. Can't be, you know going to brothels and then be getting kidnapped after you know, some sexy fun times. Yeah. Yeah, it was so his relationship with his dad was really intriguing to me. And I think that'll probably progress a lot during the season during the coming season because I think his dad almost is the reason why he's acting the way he is his dad's like passive to him his dad just kind of like is using him almost as political leverage. It looks like and so he doesn't see himself as needing to be as much of a son as his dad. Wants him to be yours. Mom wants him to be really so we see him just go off and do whatever he wants and I like almost don't blame him. I don't blame them either because yeah, he's not a son. He's an object to be trained to succeed his father when the right time comes or against. Oh, yeah, of course, he's gonna go out and adventure and kind of do all whatever he wants and not care about sis how Society views and because you know, the people who should matter to view him. Don't really view him as anything. Absolutely. Don't know 100% let's kind of dive into the society and High Society of Carnival row. And this is where we're introduced to the spurn roses. Oh this Fern Russell's cuckoo-bananas these two. Oh my God, they are so fun in their own right in my opinion. I love to hate them. I love to hate the two of these guys because like immediately off the bat you were just introduced to their like snobbery. You can feel just the money using off of them and the desperation. Ation in the eyes of the brother the desperation in the eyes of Ezra spurn Rose when he finds out his ship got sank. You could see all of the disappointment of his parents. Yeah, just lay on his shoulders like you made it you made a very poor investment choice and probably the fact that investment Choice even remotely had anything to do with faithful. Absolutely. Just yeah, I agree with you the disappointment and then Imogen she's an interesting one because I believe it's in this episode. She Seems like you know, she's desperate to try and like be in the position her brother as you know, she's she's like I'm 23, but I have no like suitors or I'm not going to be married or something like that. So you could tell she probably wants more respect absolute her recite in her Society can also see kind of later on in the episode. There's there's this one particular shot that really caught me. It was she was looking at the bird in the cage and she likes stands up and then she's like in the cage as soon as the wealthy puck. But I'm trying to remember his mr. Agree. Yeah, Mr. A grayish comes up and you can just see that she's so trapped in this situation of of her own mindset and like kind of being at the mercy of her brother, even though they like have a good kind of weird romantic relationship introduce them that do you remember that when in when they first walk up there like arm and arm and she liked leans over and kisses his chi. I was like, I think that's just like how relation like eternal We're supposed to be yeah, but the introduction mr. Gray is they clearly don't see a puck needing to be in high society. And he actually this kind of storyline really comes into full effect in the next episode. So we'll put a pin in that for right now because right now I want to go into some news and gossip. Absolutely. So everybody welcome to the news Row for news and gossip. So we have a little bit of news on the actual like creation of the show. We recently got an article from CBS news from Orlando Bloom's interview with CBS talking about how the show is a commentary on the refugee crisis. And I mean, it's pretty obvious. Once you look into the show. You can see kind of this big army of humans came over to a land and try to steal all of its wealth and drive its people out so Now you have all of its people going back to the human lands and it's he claims very shortly that he found it really interesting to have something that was commenting a little bit on what's going on in the world and that he read the script and felt like this was like even though it was fantasy. It was really empathetic and it was investigating the murders, but it was also looking at the fairies as representatives of the migrants and refugees of that world. So, CBS doesn't really go on to talk about it a lot but we could definitely delve into that a little more and yeah, that's really all the news and gossip for right now. Oh wait, there's one more piece. We already have a confirmed season two. What what season 2 already? We're only on episode one. Thank you. Thank you for the sound bite. Ya my gosh. Well, hopefully they introduce more, you know mythical creatures in the next season, but for right now, could you maybe take us down with the growing? And tell us about one in particular today. Absolutely everybody. Welcome to mythical row. Today, I'm going to take you through brief histories of fairies and mind flares and mind flayers kind of introduction at the very end of the episode, but it's very important to kind of know the history of them going on. So first of all, I do want to say that fairies the history and like origination of fairies. There are so many origination stories. They are involved in almost every kind of lure that you can find from Catholic to Gaelic to Celtic to Go to Norse you can find them in the King James demonology. You can find them even in Shakespeare. Obviously with Midsummer's Night Dream. So just to start on them fairies generally are known in history as creatures with human appearances that have met magical powers ranging in size from the size of a tiny tiny like two inches to the size of a human child but descriptions vary wildly, but Way continuing for they were found kind of in Christian lore later in the demonology and talk about like they possibly are like demoted Angels rather than Fallen Angels, but we'll get more into fairies on next episode. So the next subject that I want to bring up specifically are the Cthulhu like mine flares also known as elephants that were kind of introduced in Dungeons and Dragons and also known popularly in the HP Lovecraft. Lure. These are kind of creatures with octopus looking. That are normally seen as like these creatures that are very strong with psionic magic which are very like folks didn't mind Magics which is very different from what we end up seeing this creature do at the end of the episode. I find it really interesting to see where this creature ends up going because honestly it is going a totally different route than the normal DND mind flayers which are seen as these like robed magic users. This is a big hulking Beast with claws. As that'll tear out peoples guts. But yeah, that's it for mythical row. Thank you very much. I would love thank you so much for that video. And I would love to expand on the Cthulhu kind of mine flare stuff but in the next episode because we are getting ready to do that. Thank you so much for joining us here for the very first episode of the Carnivora laughter show. If you know, where can the fans find you on social media? You can find me anywhere at V scuti SCU TTI that's VSC UTI on Instagram and Twitter. 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