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The depression doesn't come from outside for these persons, but from their inner confusion about their own nature and value. It can be accentuated by outside influence that is demeaning, of course. But the depression source is internal to the person themselves, and is alleviated when they come to understand some core concepts about their nature as human persons as well as their physical nature. I suppose that what you conceive as "spiritual counselling" is simplistic recitation of Scripture and platitudes, along with sessions of prayer, etc. What I'm actually referring to is very deep counseling, working inward from the objective self-concepts of the person as God's created being of immense worth and value, to both God and the rest of humanity. But the subject does not easily acclimate to these concepts when they are so confused. It takes a great deal of patience and explanation on various levels of understanding that fit the subject's own initial perceptions and beliefs, helping them to understand where they are in error in their concepts and understanding...and why their understanding is erroneous. Essential in this process is the understanding imparted to the subject that they can choose to believe differently, and choose to redirect their own thinking patterns, actually modifying their brain structure over time. The resulting symbiosis between purposed thought and changes in the brain result in true long lasting, permanent, healing.
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Seems like general statements again. What is so obviously wrong or evil about it. What actual harm is being caused by their choices?
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"Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last." - Luke 13:30 Guess who will be last in heaven?
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No one as in nobody is answering or no one as in nobody is going to be last in heaven despite what Jesus said?
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No one, as in my guess is no one.
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I will be last if you just need someone to close up shop. Does room service exist in Heavan? I hope it is a fun place and not just a bunch of religious nuts praying and such.
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Oh it's going to be a fun place all right. So, as Jesus said earlier in this chapter, " “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to."
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So you think it's moral to discriminate against transgender people when science, medicine and psychology all say their condition is legitimate? On what basis?
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Here we see a rationale commonly used by those who support these bizarre behaviors and policies. First, the terms "discriminate" and "discrimination" are elevated in their minds to the level of a religious sanctimony, as though they were ultimate weapons of warfare against those who oppose these foolish notions. The idea is to intimidate the opposition with these terms to make them feel guilty of some wrong or evil, or at least make them feel unaccepted for who they are in their politically incorrect belief. Then these supporters of fallacy use a blatant fallacy to try to further intimidate any opposition...as in this case making the outrageously fallacious claim, "science, medicine and psychology all say their condition is legitimate". This is supposed intimidate the realists by putting them on the defensive, as though it was their job to refute the grand fallacy, instead of the promoter of the fallacy's job to defend it. Then, the tactic includes a question, which is supposed to imply that the writer is open minded rather than dogmatic and doctrinaire, which they are. Also the question is usually very open ended so that the answer will not like refute anything the writer has claimed, thus diverting attention from the utter fallacy and attempted intimidation to "put the monkey" on the back of the opposition. The way to refute these tactics is to speak the truth, even if it is simply put without a lot of facts and figures and arguments...the simple truth. Of course, one can also engage in presentation of facts, figures and arguments which help other readers/listeners learn the deeper proofs for the truth. So, the truth here is that it is righteous to discriminate between righteousness and evil, right and wrong, good and bad, and tell the truth about it. And the truth is that sexual confusions and perversions are a great harm to their subjects and our civil society if tolerated instead of dealt with properly with the Loving Righteousness of God.
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How will it harm our "civil society"? Be specific, now.
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Did you not understand the question?
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I think he's stumped on that one.
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First, the terms "discriminate" and "discrimination" are elevated in their minds to the level of a religious sanctimony – Freedomscout "Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last." - Luke 13:30 "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Luke 6:31 Freedomscout, you need to heed to Jesus' words about how you treat other people.
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I try to live by that "Do unto others" bit.
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which "other people?" that has a hidden meaning and means HOMOSEXUALS. we see that the left faith ISLAM never had to be kind to "others" in Orlando did they? it depends a LOT on the religion. we watched while 102 "others" got shot in a bar yet we get sued over a cake! that VERY selective morality would make Jesus angry.
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Of all the sick moves Obama has made, this has to be the top! He seems to think that as president, the people MUST sereve HIM, not that he should be serving the PEOPLE. The only people he seems to feel obligated to serve are those without morals, which he apparently feels he is part of! Even though he only has a few months left in his term, the house and senate should be calling themselves back into session and impeaching him! Under Obama and Clinton this country has become an immoral, dirtier than dirt nation! I suggest he send his children to a public school affected by this despotic rule! Just to show us how much he believes it!
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So you think it is fine to protect the rights of immoral people while taking the rights from innocent women to have their privacy?
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people? Who?
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that is who.
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If you don't understand what transgender is, go talk to your family doctor. They cover it in medical school.
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I understand completely who they are. You are the one that has bought into the lie that they were born with some genetic defect. Transgender is a sick perversion.
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Transgenders are immoral? That's news to me. I personally know two and they're not immoral.
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Like your morals don't fall into question by supporting this.
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Why should they?
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Simply because people like you are out to change what is considered moral into something that isn't.
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By whose definition? Yours only?
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No by the standard that has been around since this country was founded and before.
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No by the standard that has been around since this country was founded and before. So I guess you think we should still have sla very? I'm not surprised. It's biblical too.
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Nice tactic to switch the conversation.
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I'm just identifying exactly where your so called morals are coming from.
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Not hardly.
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Oh really? Then where?
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Your interpretation of the Bible is flawed so making you understand anything from it will never happen until you recognize your need for a savior.
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So you admit it. Your morality is coming from the bible and not science or medicine. Thank you for making my point.
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So his morality is based on what was prevalent in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. Nothing like keeping up to date, eh?
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Notice how she took off when it came down to actually having to defend God's Word.
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Yep!
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its where YOURS comes from too the Bible is why you push TG and gays its a lot more than a book
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Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@USER her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
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Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female sla ves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy sla ves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them sla ves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
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JEWISH LAWS they don't do that. but you care about the return of slavery via gay marriage
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Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female sla ve with a rod must be punished if the sla ve dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the sla ve recovers after a day or two, since the sla ve is their property.
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your faith ISLAM is far worse toward slaves than we are
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Where do they come from, then?
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Like your morals don't fall into question by getting your info about human se xuality and gender identity from a barbaric ancient middle eastern desert tribe that had no problem with adults marrying children and thought the appropriate way to deal with ra pe was to make the ra pist marry the victim.
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Or stone the victim.
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like Muslims do already
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Discriminate against them in what way?
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By telling them they can't use the bathroom or facilities of the gender that they're living as and under medical and mental health guidance to live as...as they have been for decades.
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someone use the bathroom of their actual gender is not discrimination. A man who identifies as a woman (or vice versa) does not mean he is a woman.
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Except that that's not their actual gender. They're the gender they're living as.
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is not a choice. You're born male or female. It doesn't change because you think your the opposite.
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It's "you're," You write like a fifth-grader. And sound like one as well.
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Good job, you caught a typo to point out since you don't have a counter argument.
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It wasn't a typo. You don't know the difference.
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That doesn't make sense. If I know the difference between the two words, but used the wrong one, that is a typo. This isn't a college paper, I'm not proofreading or checking for auto correct issues. Again, I notice no counter argument from you on the actual post though.
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How can I possibly make an understandable counter argument to someone that doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're"? I just can't dumb it down enough.
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And you can't understand a typo. Or just hide behind that claim since you can't argue the point, which is more likely in this case.
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Ha ha!!
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Ask your family doctor about it. They'll explain it to you.
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It's pretty simple. A woman does not change into a man by thinking it. She is still a woman. No issue with her thinking/acting like a man, but that isn't what she is, physically.
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join Islam SHOOT the TGs/gays problem solved they get to discriminate against whoever they want to
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No answer huh? there is no way you are for equal rights
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no answer? You didn't ask a question.
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I did make a statement. I admit that
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ITS PERFECTLY OKAY DEPENDING ON THE RELIGION the liberal faith militant Islam gets to shoot all the TG/s gays it wants to and be protected under Sharia Law
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While I empathize with the sentiment and agree that Obama's motives are evil, the long standing evil of murderous abortion has been a terrible part of the moral decadence in America for 43 years now. But even that has been a symptom of the inner decay in the lives of so many people who have lost the moral compass that used to guide our culture.
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The added confusion this is all bringing to children, youth, adolescents and young adults is tragic and so unnecessary. Parents are having a very difficult time shielding their children from the foolish influences of our culture that is creating so much uncertainty and relativism in the minds of youth...largely through social media and sadly through government schooling.
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- The confusion is added by people following an ancient mythology that have no respect for science, medicine and psychology.
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How does that have anything to do with it?
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Religion poisons the minds of children against logic and truth.
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Many religions are poisonous to logic and truth, that much is true...and human beings still remain fallen human beings even they are Redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So there's that. But the fallacies of thinking cannot be limited or attributed to religion but to error inherent in human motivation, the motivation to utter self-centeredness as fallen sinful human beings. Nearly all of the world's many religions are expressions of that utter sinful nature...Christianity and Judaism being the sole exceptions.
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Your comment was correct...except for the last seven words.
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I stand by all of them.
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Sure you do. And you look like a fool.
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I identify with Paul the Apostle, glad to be called a fool for Jesus Christ.
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You're just a fool...period.
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The saddest result, perhaps, of these political machinations is that children will be influenced to doubt what and who they really are as God's Grand Creation with Inestimable Value.
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Is that any worse than the nonsense in the bible?
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Since there isn't any nonsense in the Bible, these things surely are worse.
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No nonsense in the bible? That's funny, scouty!!
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None at all and you KNOW it or you would not misquote it
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I figured it out by age 5. The good thing is children will have access to healthcare, information, medicine, treatment and support. None of which existed for transexuals when I was a little girl growing up in the 1970's and 80's.
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What a sick, Satan possessed world we live in.
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Stand by for it to get much worse.
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The world is not possessed by satan.
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sure it is unless you are on the side of ISIS
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Thankfully Obama is the first and last gay president. Not to mention black.
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Just because Obama wants to pee in the ladies room doesn't mean the rest of America has to put up with it.
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you want to watch obama pee? YOU are sick
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Again, what are you talking about? Who said they wanted to watch Obama pee? And, who is pushing you to say on TG/gays?
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you do and so does SB its about FORCED deviance without that no sense would be possible
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I can't speak for SB, but I don't want to watch anyone pee, nor do I care if you (or anyone else) watches someone else pee.
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