IJ, These are good smallies. I've caught a lot of them in the 14-18" size range. I am trying for a "trophy" fish of 20" or better on the fly. Its like a 20" brown trout is considered a trophy fish in most streams and a 12" native brookie in the park is thought of as a trophy. That is all I meant. Sure you can go to a hatchery supported stream and find big fish but a "wild" trophy is the challenge. I have been trying for a "trophy" smallie for some time now and springtime is one of best times to find them. They're have been some big fish caught this spring on creek minnows and plastic worms by other local anglers, I want to do it on the fly, a personal challenge thing.