Thanks for your conversation. I'm beginning to understand you and others who listen like you do. I hear what Francis says through how I might talk thus I do not expect all that he says to be a formal clear statement, I suspect you do.  Hence you are truly confused. I finally understand some of the criticisms of Francis. I still will continue to hear all he says not through the lens of excathedra or formal exposition of church doctrine. I suspect that the way I hear him is the way he means what he says. But I do finally get what you and others mean. Thank you again for your reply it has opened my eyes. Peace.