Danno, I think you're right. I don't know how they do it but they do have their John Jay Reports and they go through royal commissions and inquiries and they say all the right stuff and write up policies....but then you hear of individuals who are trying to find justice and compassion. These are real people suffering through legal proceedings because the 'changed church' still keeps ignoring them, even now, or refuses to do what is necessary to help them back on their feet. If victims have the gall to do this then this 'changed' church comes at them with everything they've got, partly to stop precedence and thereby stop anyone else possibly seeking to go down that path. I know of two people going through this very process right now, even amidst this 'changed' church. I also suspect why they so want to have a redress scheme (in Australia)... it will save them millions. It's interesting that the most 'unanimous' conclusion that the 'changed church' has comes to, is this redress scheme.