The more I read on this subject of 'ordination for whom?' the more I see people protecting their distinctiveness rather than asking what God would do today. While I may be exhibiting some level of  being judgmental, I can't help but see millions of words expressed and time taken (is it 30 years now?), while the community struggles for a lack of seeing the face of Jesus and feeling His love. Is it really that important in the eyes of God? We're already a church community with diversity in so many ways. I fail to see the relevance anymore of this question in the significant times in which we live. Jim