Be honest, dennism, there is a set of posters here who constantly and strategically attempt to hijack the conversation, who do not offer a reasoned liberalism but rather a militant iconoclasm. They derisively condemn any view that is orthodox, nuanced, or cites Church teaching. Disagree if you will. When posters duplicate their accounts, or "leave" and reappear under alternate names that is strategic disruption. Post that are clearly probes for undercutting, personal assessments and evaluations of Church authorities and other posters kill dialogue.