The Chinese have a saying: "When there is much talk of honor...honor has already been lost." The preoccupation with symbols...and symbolic gestures to those symbols...symbolizes that many among us are mindless robots...which symbolizes the current, mindless economic, military, social, political and religious symbols which many accept as reality...and are thus easily deceived and enslaved by those forces. "These are the symbols, we want the real thing..." - Todd Rundgren, No World Order.