Bill - That's an interesting article, thank you for posting.  It's no wonder Utah is doing better in this area - the Mormons get stuff done.  Up here in Everett, not so much.  The Mormons expect the people they help to work toward self reliance and if those people don't then there are consequences.  In Everett, and definitely in Seattle, self reliance and consequences are dirty terms that must not be spoken lest someone's feelings get hurt.  

I can't agree that the Mormons engage in "these types of meetings" as if what takes place up here is the same as what takes place down there simply because they share the same nomenclature