Put simply, Vic Van Ballenberghe is right, Bruce Dale is wrong.  "Intensive Management" is a shameful, unethical, wasteful, inhumane, and ineffective practice, and it should be terminated.  ADFG biologists seem to have nothing better to do than fly around in planes and helicopters shooting bears and wolves, as that makes them look like they are actively managing wildlife.  They refuse to admit the truth about IM, and refuse to submit any of this program to independent sceitnfic peer review.  That about says it all.