Nigel the reason they were moved to the liberal left side of the state is exactly that, they felt that keeping them on the more conservative side of the state they may end up with a sympathetic judge and jury, So push them to the far left leaning side of the state where they are most likely to serve the most amount of time. As for the events leading up to the shooting if the fbi and osp have nothing to hide the video footage should have already been released so as to stop more people from flocking to the refuge and bolstering  their hold. I agree with the buddy's to some degree the federal government hold far to much land particularly in the northwest. As or carrying a gun that doesn't make you a criminal as a lot people seem to think it does I have had run in with law enforcement while carrying my gun and wasn't shoot and killed and I think this is the reason Nigel brings to the table the questions when are the details and video going to be released to the public did the osp