Yes, Jay Edward, and we are in good company -- with Jerome, Gregory, Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila, Newman, Merton, Dorothy Day, and countless others who prayed the Litany of the Saints, all of whom believed saints were not in the shadow of God, but in God's light; not as post-human descendants, as it were, but as living spiritual descendants facing the Incarnate Christ, God. Do they see the face of the Father as angels do, those angels Jesus mentions in Matthew 18,10 -- "who in heaven always see the face of my Father" as they watch over the "little ones"? Who is to say what degree or gradation they have before the Father or what degree of angelic vigilance they have over others, resonant with the grace of Christ that has reached them. But we know they are there, not in some empty heavenly barracks, but there in all of Christ's vigilant, incarnate permanence and ever free grace working in others.