re: "'Conventional conservatism' (is) not a group of people who want to shove more Govt and laws down peoples throats, intrude and encroach on citizens, and remove choice."

Historically, conservatives supported the monarchy and aristocracy and religion (who had no trouble shoving laws down people's throats); while liberals supported the market place and economic freedom. That's conventional conservatism and conventional liberalism. But the definitions have changed. These days, many people who call themselves conservatives -- like "Not the Alliance" -- are extremist liberals, against taxes and against regulation. Some call themselves libertarians.

Anyway, that's why we will forever be defining conservative.