Do you seriously see a lot of actual dialog underway here yet, taking up either substantial or supernatural topics?

It's just clericalism of a different form, pretending that clerics are responsible for all things that are bad.   This is still clericalism. 

Of course, we are to be subject to the trials of Jesus, if we want real and intimate union with Him. 

On the DSM point, please go back and get more of what I was saying. 

I think DSM is largely empty of value (and terminally useless), since the entire field of psychology and psychiatry ignores grace, sin, vice, virtues, and the soul.