You will not have success convincing the libs on here that Obama or Hillary did anything wrong.  Obama was the chosen one and anything negative about him was deemed racist.  Hillary and her husband came to the conclusion years ago that they could do anything in the public eye and get away with it via political control and by saying "I don't recall that".  Thankfully, enough of the libs in America were turned off by her corruption that they didn't vote for her.  From her book - Chapter 12 "All that money we made while I was Sec of State was fairly earned, those were just lies by the vast right wing conspiracy".