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                     I got a question to you guys, what would you choose for rendering in DAZ Studio up to 1000$? That's the kinda of amount I'm willing to spend on a new laptop/PC. Personally, I travel a lot so basically I would go with laptop, but is there any laptop in that kinda of price that would be able to render in DAZ Studio? If you got any examples of laptops from some stores that would fit requirements (1k$ and DAZ Studio rendering), I'd be thankful. If there's no hope for any laptop in that price, what would you recommend for a stationary PC?
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                     As I wrote earlier, I'm more willing to buy a laptop than PC but if there's no chance to use DAZ Studio on it then I'll go with PC...
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                     Think you will struggle, especially with a laptop on your budget.  I am looking at getting a new laptop soon and the one I am currently looking at is borderline on it's ability to render, not a big issue as I really need it for other stuff.  This one is £1200.  I can push it a little and get better all round, but then it is moving to £1500+ and I will need to be able to justify claiming that much through work.
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                     You will always get more bang for your buck with a PC and cooling them is easier, laptops need to be treated like special little snowflakes when working them hard.
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                     You will definitely need an NVidia graphics card to take full advantage of iRay on Daz which starts to restrict your options on laptops and push the price up.
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                     If you need your laptop for work when travelling are there periods when you can leave it working through renders while doing nothing else?
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                     To get a laptop with any chance of rendering a decent quality scene would cost at least twice your budget.
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                        To get a laptop with any chance of rendering a decent quality scene would cost at least twice your budget.
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                        Rendering in Iray uses your CPU and/or your Nvidia powered card's CUDA cores. Laptops already have underpowered CPUs because of cooling constraints, and Nvidia's best laptop GPU has 384 CUDA cores to play with, while the "entry level" GTX 1050 for desktops has 640 CUDA cores.
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                        Then there's the memory. Laptops don't have dedicated GPU memory, so unless you fork out even more for 64GB RAM, you'll run into problems with more than two characters on screen, and that's ignoring that the memory on graphics cards runs much faster than regular memory.
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                        To give you an example of Daz performance, I have a 1070 ti with 2,423 CUDA cores and 8GB memory, and the attached scene took roughly half an hour to render.
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                        To get that quality on a $2000 laptop would still take 5x the rendering time at least.
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                     This statement about memory simply isn't true UNLESS you only have an integrated GPU, which by definition WON'T be an Nvidia GPU.  Yeah Intel did a few Intel-Radeon hybrid chips, but most Intel CPUs have Intel integrated graphics.  And Radeon GPUs and integrated GPUs are useless for Iray renders, although you can still use them to drive the viewport.
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                     Laptops with discrete Nvidia GPUs have GPU memory included with the GPU, which is separate from the system memory.  While my laptop is WAAAAAAY out of the OP's budget, I have two GTX 1080s with 8 GB of GPU memory each, PLUS 64 GB of system memory (all that system memory is major overkill for what I use this laptop for).
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                     And, my Iray GPU benchmarks come in with about the same numbers as the desktop variants of dual 1080s.  The desktop GTX 1080 variant might be a hair faster, but not noticeably so.  My particular laptop is better defined as a desktop replacement, though, due to it's size.
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                     Of course, with a desktop, you have the option to upgrade the GPU to a 1080 Ti or better at a later date, or maybe add another GPU card if you have a spare PCIe16 slot and suitable overhead on your power supply, while with a laptop, yeah people generally don't upgrade laptop GPUs (it is possible with certain laptops, but usually this just isn't an  option).  There is the external enclosure option with a Laptop if you have a Thunderbolt port though, but then those enclosures aren't really portable, as they generally don't have their own battery supply.  Plus that's more stuff to carry around...
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                     Per discussions on the Daz forum, the trick is to find Nvidia GPU laptop graphics with the most memory.  If the OP can stretch his budget slightly (to $1200 or so), and watch for sales, you can get GTX 1060 graphics, which has 6 GB of onboard GPU memory.
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                     There are cheaper options with 4GB or less of graphic memory, but it's pretty easy to exceed that 4 GB, especially with Windows reserving around 18% of said 4 GB for itself, hence leaving you maybe 3.2 GB or so to work with.
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                     The other issue with laptops is cooling while rendering.  GPU throttling can help with this, but then of course your render times will be higher.  Still MUCH faster than CPU only renders though.  And rendering sucks battery life, but of course you can build scenes while you are on the go, leaving the full on rendering for later when you are able to plug in to a nearby AC outlet.
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                     And if you aren't doing Iray (i.e. are doing 3Delight instead), then the graphics card isn't going to matter much, as you'll be doing CPU only renders anyways.  Most people like Iray though...
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                     There's the whole utilizing a 'render farm/cloud rendering' thing as a possibility too, where you build the scene on your system, then use some render service to do the render for you, but those services aren't free.  Plus there's the question about using a remote service to render questionable content...
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                     My experience with a GPU on the laptop and the same model on a PC, was very frustating in the laptop. The heat rises too fast, the countermeasure for those devices is to slow down any process to control the temperature. You will probably never get the full potential announced for that model.
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                     Hardware upgrade don't even need to be mentioned, some models are very hard to accommodate many HD/SSD, memory slots, more than one GPU... But other thing that really angers me, is the compatibility issues when you upgrade the operating system. My penultimate laptop was a Sony Vaio 18' with came with Windows Vista. Since I installed Windows 7 I faced hell, because Sony customize the driver for the Nvidia GPU, the driver from Nvidia never worked, and Sony simply abandoned the model. The last one was a Dell XPS 18, came with Windows 8. Changing for Windows 8.1 broke the webcam (never worked again), messed the SSD + HD hybrid function making much slower, and dozens of other drivers.
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                     You could assemble a desktop letting space for improvements and work on it remotely with a cheap laptop. In this case focus on large cabinet (full tower) with many fans (I got 5) preferable forming a wind tunnel. A strong PSU, 850w from Seventeam never let me down.
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                        Sorry guys for replying after so long but I had a business trip. So, as I decided to go with desktop, I got lost while looking for one because I'm a total newbie in it. Could anyone help me choose which desktop should I go with? I was looking at bestbuy or some costco shit [or maybe you know some good, trusted website with PC's because I have really no clue]. I want to spend like $1200-$1500 max on it. The desktop would be used only for rendering. I can also build it by myself if that means it'd be cheaper and better [I got a friend who could do it for me] but I have no idea what should I look for which GPU [I know 'go with NVIDIA' but there's a god damn million types of them], which CPU, which RAM blah blah blah... Like I said, I'm a real newbie in this.
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                     Well, the good news is that your stated budget seems to fit nicely with what a number of us would recommend as 'minimum'.
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                        Shoot for a GTX 1070 or 1080.  A 1080 Ti would be really nice, but that may not fit in your budget, although the prices HAVE been dropping recently.  A 6 GB 1060 (not the 3 GB version) is about the minimum I'd consider, but shoot for the 8 GB cards if you can.  You'll thank yourself later.
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                        A large HDD along with an SSD for faster boot times, this looks very doable within your budget.
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                         - There are faster 8 core Ryzen and Intel chips out there though, with more affordable motherboards, but they don't have 4 memory channels (8 memory slots) or 64 PCIe lanes...
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                         - If you decide to get serious about rendering using Daz's Iray feature later, yeah those 64 PCIe lanes are perfect for multiple graphics cards...
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                         -Threadripper isn't required for rendering though, but if you eventually go the multi-GPU route, it's about perfect for that purpose, as long as the motherboard slot configuration allows it.  With Threadripper motherboards, 3 GPUs is easily possible, 4 GPUs maybe with certain motherboards...
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                        From the good selection of OhWee I would recomend this one for $1299:
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                        It's a pity that they don't describe the motherboard model to evaluate possible addition of another GPU. If the MOB have more pcie x16 ports, in the future, you could another GPU but you would also need to upgrade the 600w PSU.
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                        I guess that the Cube Desktops don't have room for two GPU, also the processor are 2 generations behind (6th).
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                     On that note, if you look at the Q&amp;A in the linked page you shared, in one place someone mentions getting an Asus Prime z370-P board, but futher down someone else mentions getting an Asrock board.  So apparently they were deliberately being vague.
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                     This could be important, as a goal to shoot for is multiple PCI-E 16 slots.  You can still run the slot at x8, and the difference between a slot running at x8 speed vs x16 speed is usually only a couple of percentage points uptick in performance, but you still need the slot to be physically able (long enough) to accomodate a x16 card either way.
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                     So, on a whim, I went to the Cyberpower PC site.  They do the Battleboxes btw and they currently have some back to school discounts on a few of the components.
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                     Here's the page I'm looking at:
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                      https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Battlebox-2018-Syber
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                     <br/>
                     Here's the configurator options I chose up for a Ryzen system
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                      <b>
                       Operating System:
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                      Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
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                      <b>
                       Back to School Featured Promotions:
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                      None
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                      <b>
                       Message:
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                      None
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                      <b>
                       Gaming Chassis:
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                      Syber M ATX Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, &amp; Side-Panel Window
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                      <b>
                       Laser Engraving:
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                      None
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                      <b>
                       Lighting:
                      </b>
                      None
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                      <b>
                       Extra Case Fans:
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                      Default case fans
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                      <b>
                       Noise Reduction Technology:
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                      None
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                       CPU:
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                      AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz [3.7GHz Turbo] Eight-Core 16MB L3 Cache 65W Processor
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                      <b>
                       Freebie of Processor:
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                      None
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                      <b>
                       Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking:
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                      No Overclocking
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                      <b>
                       CPU / Processor Cooling Fan:
                      </b>
                      CyberpowerPC Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
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                      <b>
                       Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits:
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                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Motherboard:
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                      MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
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                       RAM / System Memory:
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                      16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG Z1)
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                       Video Card:
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                      EVGA GeForce® GTX 1070 Superclocked ACX 3.0 Edition 8GB GDDR5 (Pascal)[VR Ready] (Single Card)
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                      <b>
                       Freebie of Video Card:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Sli Bridge:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       EVGA Power:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Video Capture Card:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Power Supply:
                      </b>
                      1,000 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
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                      <b>
                       Primary Hard Drive:
                      </b>
                      256GB ADATA XPG ASX6000NP-256GT-C PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD - Seq R/W: Up to 1000/800 MB/s, Rnd R/W up to 100/110k (Single Drive)
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                      <b>
                       Secondary Hard Drive:
                      </b>
                      3TB (3TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Hard Drive Cooling Fan:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       External Storage:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Optical Drive:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Optical Drive 2:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       External Optical Drive:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       WiDi Router:
                      </b>
                      None
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                      <b>
                       Internal Wireless Network Card:
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                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Sound:
                      </b>
                      HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
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                      <b>
                       Monitor:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Freebie of Monitor:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Projector:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Cables:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Speakers:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Internal Network Card:
                      </b>
                      Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
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                       Keyboard:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
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                       Mouse:
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                      CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
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                      <b>
                       Mouse Pad:
                      </b>
                      None
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                       Headset:
                      </b>
                      None
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                      <b>
                       Microphone:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Gaming Apparel:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Gaming Gear:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Internal USB Expansion Module:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       External Wireless Network Card:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Wireless Routers/Hubs:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Freebie of Wireless Routers/Hubs:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Bluetooth:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Flash Media Reader/Writer:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Video Camera:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Power &amp; Surge Protection:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       USB Hub &amp; Port:
                      </b>
                      Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
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                      <b>
                       External USB ADAPTER:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Operating System:
                      </b>
                      Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
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                      <b>
                       Professional Wiring:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Ultra Care Option:
                      </b>
                      None
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Warranty:
                      </b>
                      STANDARD WARRANTY: 1 Year Parts WARRANTY
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Service:
                      </b>
                      3 Years FREE Service Plan (INCLUDES LABOR AND LIFETIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT)
                      <br/>
                      <b>
                       Rush Service:
                      </b>
                      Standard processing time: ship within 12 to 15 Business Days
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                     Subtotal in my cart is $1269, due to the back to school shenanigans/specials on some of the items I chose.  Note that I was just looking at the main options, i.e.:
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                        multiple PCIe 16 slots, you have several motherboard options here, I picked the MSI board for the price point I think...
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                        an 8 core Ryzen (the 1700 is fine if a bit slower, but you can spend more for a 2700X if you want, it's a bit faster)
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                        16 GB of DDR4 3000, 2x8GB sticks (Ryzen likes faster ram, to a point anyways)
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                        GTX 1070.  The 1080 would probably fit in your budget if you wanted to spend a bit more.
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                        3 TB HDD + a 256 GB NVMe (these were on sale).  a 512 GB or 1 TB NVME would be nicer, but of course you can always fall back on the 3 TB HDD...
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                        1000W Power supply (the one on sale - so that you can add more graphics cards later).
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                      Anyways, playing with the configurator could be fun if you like exploring your options.​
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                     Very nice, I didn't know this page cyberpowerpc. My only note is that changing the processor for a Ryzen, you will be forced to use the GPU for SO and Rendering, while I7 would allow to use onboard graphic for system, and dedicate the GPU only for render.
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                        Very nice, I didn't know this page cyberpowerpc. My only note is that changing the processor for a Ryzen, you will be forced to use the GPU for SO and Rendering, while I7 would allow to use onboard graphic for system, and dedicate the GPU only for render.
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                     You make a very good point r.e. using the integrated GPU to drive the viewport and desktop while rendering.  Yeah, there's the Ryzen APU's (and they are options for these systems), but they are only four core CPUs.  You COULD do some light gaming while rendering with a Ryzen APU I suppose (they do quite nicely actually), but that's probably asking for trouble...  Or you could throw in a cheap graphics card into one of the spare PCIe slots, but that kind of defeats the purpose...
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                     OK, so I took a stab at an i7 configuration...
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                     <a class="link link--external" href="https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/CyberPower-Z370-i7-plus-Configurator" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">
                      https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/CyberPower-Z370-i7-plus-Configurator
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                     <div style="margin-left: 20px">
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                       <b>
                        Operating System:
                       </b>
                       Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Labor Day Featured Promotions:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Gaming Chassis:
                       </b>
                       NZXT Source 340 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Side-Panel Window (Black/Orange Color)
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                       <b>
                        Laser Engraving:
                       </b>
                       None
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                       <b>
                        Lighting:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Extra Case Fans:
                       </b>
                       Default case fans
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                       <b>
                        Noise Reduction Technology:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        CPU:
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                       Intel® Core™ Processor i7-8700K 3.70GHZ 12MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1151 (Coffee Lake)
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Freebie of Processor:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking:
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                       No Overclocking
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                        CPU / Processor Cooling Fan:
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                       CyberpowerPC Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
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                        Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits:
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                       None
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                        Motherboard:
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                       GIGABYTE GA-Z370 HD3 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 1 M.2 SATA/PCIe [Intel Optane Ready]
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                        Freebie of Motherboard:
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                       None
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                        RAM / System Memory:
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                       16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA Spectrix D80 RGB Hybrid Liquid Heatsink Cooling)
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                        Video Card:
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                       EVGA GeForce® GTX 1070 Superclocked ACX 3.0 Edition 8GB GDDR5 (Pascal)[VR Ready] (Single Card)
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Freebie of Video Card:
                       </b>
                       FREE GIGABYTE Aorus RGB SLI HB Bridge with GeForce® GTX 1070 and Above
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                        Sli Bridge:
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                       None
                       <br/>
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                        EVGA Power:
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                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        HTC VIVE Virtual reality Headset:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Video Capture Card:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Power Supply:
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                       1,000 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
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                        Primary Hard Drive:
                       </b>
                       512GB ADATA XPG ASX6000NP-512GT-C PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD - Seq R/W: Up to 1000/800 MB/s, Rnd R/W up to 100/110k (Single Drive)
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                        Secondary Hard Drive:
                       </b>
                       3TB (3TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Plus 32GB Intel Optane Memory HDD Acceleration 24X Faster (Secondary Storage Drive))
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                        Freebie of Hard Drive:
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                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Hard Drive Cooling Fan:
                       </b>
                       None
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                        External Storage:
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                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Optical Drive:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Optical Drive 2:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        External Optical Drive:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        WiDi Router:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Internal Wireless Network Card:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Sound:
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                       HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
                       <br/>
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                        Monitor:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Freebie of Monitor:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Projector:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Cables:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Speakers:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Internal Network Card:
                       </b>
                       Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
                       <br/>
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                        Keyboard:
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                       CyberpowerPC Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard
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                        Mouse:
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                       CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
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                        Mouse Pad:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Headset:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Microphone:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Gaming Apparel:
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                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Gaming Gear:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Internal USB Expansion Module:
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                       None
                       <br/>
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                        External Wireless Network Card:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Wireless Routers/Hubs:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Freebie of Wireless Routers/Hubs:
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                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Bluetooth:
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                       None
                       <br/>
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                        Flash Media Reader/Writer:
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                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Video Camera:
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                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Power &amp; Surge Protection:
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                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        USB Hub &amp; Port:
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                       Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        External USB ADAPTER:
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                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Operating System:
                       </b>
                       Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
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                       <b>
                        Professional Wiring:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Ultra Care Option:
                       </b>
                       None
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Warranty:
                       </b>
                       STANDARD WARRANTY: 1 Year Parts WARRANTY
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Service:
                       </b>
                       3 Years FREE Service Plan (INCLUDES LABOR AND LIFETIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT)
                       <br/>
                       <b>
                        Rush Service:
                       </b>
                       Standard processing time: ship within 12 to 15 Business Days​
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                     <br/>
                     This config is currently coming it at around $1581, thanks to the back to school discount offers on a few things.  Also, not sure what's going on with the liquid cooled memory, but it was on sale.
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                       Note that there are a couple of cheaper options you could pick to lower this price.
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                      <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                       Also note that the HDD option comes with 32 GB of Intel Optane memory, which could help system snappiness a bit...
                      </li>
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                     You know what, screw it, let's go up to $1800... I thought about it and I realize that it's better to get a beast PC that will actually last for longer time despite it'll be bought only for rendering. Let's also add [to that $1800] up to $200 for a good Monitor [good and cheap, not some top monitor]. Let's try that GTX 1080 if it's better.
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                     I see this one is a on good sale
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                     I don't think that the difference between one 1070 TI and one 1080 worth the price, or even the difference between 1070 TI and a regular 1070, just a personal feeling. The 3 of them are very similar, around 1900 and 2400 CUDA cores. 1080 TI in other hand, is much better than 1080, with 3500 CUDA cores.
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                        Good to know, thank you!
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                        About the GPU, I was thinking about 1080 TI [Check this:
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                     Looks like a fairly nice deal, at least with the $500 off.  The Cyberpower PC configurator, with the current specials, can come up with a slightly more interesting config (3 TB HDD + 32 GB Intel Optane, 512 GB SSD, 1000W power supply) but it'll cost a couple hundred more with the 1080 Ti...  The only downside to the newegg offer is the 'motherboard grab bag' thing.  Some Z370 motherboards have 3 PCIe-16 slots, most just have 2.
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