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                     Well that's maybe too grand a title for this really, but in my spare time I've been messing around putting together a game. It's not ready for release yet but to spark some interest and, if I'm honest to keep me motivated, I thought I'd set out the concept here and post little updates on work in progress as I go along to see if people were interested.
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                       So what is it about?
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                     Good question! It's a sci-fi based game for a start. The MC plays as an engineer posted to a deep space colony supply vessel, the
                     <i>
                      Illustrious
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                     . Mankind has gone off and started his process of colonisation and, given how far everything is away from Earth, the
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                      Illustrious
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                     does a constant run between the colonies and science outposts ensuring all is well, topping up supplies, providing medical and scientific help and rotating staff.
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                     The MC starts the game having been assigned to go help out a science outpost on the planet Sigma Five. The outpost has been reporting a variety of electrical failures of late which are seemingly beyond the capabilities of the ground staff to deal with. As Sigma Five is due a supply run anyway, you've been sent along to assess the situation and, if possible, carry out any necessary repairs.
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                     Your journey..(aha! See what I did there!) ..to the planet is aboard one of
                     <i>
                      Illustrious's
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                     transport shuttles crewed by three crew members. Flight Lieutenant Christine (Chris) Jackson; Flying Officer Sarah Halliday and Engineer Martina (Nina) Vasquez.
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                     The game is a semi-open world Renpy based game in which you choose and influence what happens on the journey itself and, more importantly, what happens when you land.....
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                       Content?
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                     Romance! Adventure! Spanners! Danger!
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                     The MC will have the option to try and follow romantic paths with those he meets (sorry it's male MC only. I tried gender options at first but it was a nightmare! Perhaps an option for later). However, some of them have their own romantic agenda's and entanglements already and I'm trying to build the game in such a way so that, whilst some of the characters you meet will be easy to conquer, others will be less so and may even interfere in your plans.
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                      "Wait...like an Eric?!"
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                     Hell no. Not -like- an Eric. But if someone has caught someone else's eye don't expect to find things easy is all I'm saying. That's assuming you can keep them alive and safe in the first place. Assuming you even get to Sigma Five in one piece!
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                     There is an element of peril in this game too. Both the MC and certain of the NPC's could well end up dead, or at least no longer available for you, depending upon what you as the player do. What will come first? The mission or a chance to fuck the character that has taken your fancy? And if the latter, I do hope you've ensured everything is safe and well first....
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                       Tell me about the tags dammit rather than waffling on!
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                     Oh right. Tags would be..um...
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                     Sci-fi (naturally);  3dcg;  big tits; cheating; creampie; exhibitionism;  group sex; handjob humor; male protagonist; masturbation;  multiple endings; oral sex; romance; teasing; vaginal sex; anal sex;  bdsm; blackmail; corruption; domination (both ways if you're not careful!); milf; spanking; voyeurism; games; monsters...spanners?
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                       Wait there's no incest!
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                     *looks shifty* Um...there -might- be later but I haven't decided on that yet.
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                       There's no NTR! *insert cheers or boos as you see fit*
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                     Well no. But there might be competition for whoever your after. If that's NTR then it exists. If that isn't then it doesn't. Oh...well excluding bad consequences of your game play. Not my fault if the character you're in love with gets abducted by....Anyway! That's saying too much. I want to keep the game play as fresh as I can as it has a lot of plot twists etc built into it. People you meet may not be as the seem! And some of them certainly have their own agenda's.
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                       Wait! There's no harem tag there either! What gives?
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                     Well you could end up having sex with more than one girl. But the only real way that would happen would be if you chose the bad route as an MC. You see you can either play this game as the all round good hero who will, no doubt, sweep up the woman of his choice off her feet; save the outpost and return a decorated hero or you could play like a total bastard and shag them all. I mean the choice is there but....who would play like that?
                     <img alt=";)" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite668" data-shortname=";)" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" title="Wink    ;)"/>
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                       I see Games in the tags. Do you mean mini-games?
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                     Only optional ones as a rule. No mini-game will ever be required to be passed to progress. By games I mean things like strip poker etc.
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                       What's the grind mechanics like?
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                     There isn't any. You start with the stats you start with. Everything else is up to you.
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                       So when is version 0.1 with five minutes gameplay?
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                     There isn't one. And won't be either. The game will be released in complete chapters so you won't ever hit any loose dead ends. The plan is that each chapter would play like an episode of television which would then carry on into the next release. So expect a good couple of hours play each time (especially if you revisit choices etc)
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                     As to the first part with luck and some leave from work, it should be out by the end of August.
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                       Will there be a walk through?
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                     Never. Nope. No. Non. At least not from me. It's a game and, let's be honest, it's only a glorified VN. Given there are no "be at location x with a cheese under your arm at 9am" to progress type situations, then there is simply no need for one. Just play the game and hopefully have fun.
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                       Patreon?
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                     Newp. Certainly not for part one at any rate. This is a hobby of mine and I'm doing this for fun. If there is demand then I might set up a tip jar purely to buy a better video card to speed up renders. The programming and writing I'm fine with (unless I try anything to complicated then I hit a roadblock for a bit until it's thrashed out) but the renders I'm restricted by what an nvidia 2gb can kick out. Given each chapter will take a lot of renders it will be that, more than anything, that would slow the release of further chapters. Remember I'm not releasing it as V.0.2.1a etc. Every release has to be complete else I don't let it out in the wild. Not that there's anything wrong with part releases. It's just not the way I want to do things.
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                     Anyway, that's the summary. I'll keep you posted as progress is made. Do feel free to ask questions if you wish..or ignore this completely!
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                     Oh! the crew of the transport shuttle. From left to right: Sarah, Chris and Nina.
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                        There are quite a few alien races planned that our characters don't have a clue about at the start. Both male and female (for plot reasons!).
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                        ... here's a sneak peak at -one- of them. Now whether you'll get to do the jiggy with her will depend on your choices of course....
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                     I also like her, so far the game sounds like it should be fun.
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                     It has one of my favorite fetishes Aliens my other favorites are futa, harem and anal.
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                        Yes, yes it is ... it's entirely your fault, you put it in there.
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                     *laughs* I might be a tad of a sadist, true! But seriously? It should be reasonably well flagged so if one (or more..) of the seven girls who has caught your eye leaves the game then it will be down to the player. At least that's the hope! Let's put aside the fact that at least one of the NPC's actually wants the girls to....vanish.
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                        I also like her, so far the game sounds like it should be fun.
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                        It has one of my favorite fetishes Aliens my other favorites are futa, harem and anal.
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                        I'm now interest more in the game seeing some aliens are gonna be in it.
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                     Thank you *curtsies*. I've no plans for futa (at least not for now, mainly as I can't jam it into -this- story) but the rest seem to be covered.
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                        Oh, she should.
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                        FOR SCIENCE.......
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                     Thanks guys. Appreciate the encouragement. As long as I stop changing my mind on content and design I could actually get it finished! The plan is still to get the tutorial and part one out for the end of August and then we'll see what people think of it.  I mean, I like it....but then I suspect every dev likes their own game, no?
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                        Something along these lines rather than metrosexual you've got on top?
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                     That "metrosexual" is a woman with short hair.......
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                        Also! Since my narrator from the tutorial is seemingly insisting on continuing her involvement....she now pops up at the end of each chapter with the results of the game so far. Apparently running with a teacher motif this time. As long as I can keep her sister out of it, it'll probably work ok I think!
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                     Works for me but i'm easily pleased ... something my wife exploits on a regular basis.
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                     Movement....urgh. Chapter length...more urgh.
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                     Tried floofing the hair, swinging the boobs, shifting props....but it still looks flat. (and yep, background-less at the moment. Pointless me chugging away full renders until I'm happy with the character posing). I might have to consider effects but I worry they'll make it look a bit "comic-booky" looking. As I say.....urgh.
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                     It's just I worked out I'm going to need somewhere between 600 and 700 renders for part one. Even if we assume I forget about animations and throw in some cheats ( say by for half of them render the background separate and then overlay characters thus speeding up the overall rendering time required) it's still going to take a bloody age to render out that lot - and that's assuming they all work out fine first shot. Even if I hit say 10 renders a day that's close to three months if I throw in a rework rate of say 30% which is about right based on what I've done so far.
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                     *dies!* Then again ME had a space hamster so.....*grins*
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                     The poker AI was....well, not very intelligent tbh. OK, so I confess I did take it from an open source but even so, I expected the bloody thing to be able to give me a game. Instead it just seemed to act randomly rather than with any, even limited, insight. So poker is out and blackjack is in. At least that seems to work more realistically. Not as much fun but it is only an optional side game anyway and there are limits on how best to spend my time on this if I want to get the tutorial and prologue out by the end of August.
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                     So it's September...where's the bloody game then?
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                     Ohh! Good question! Glad you asked! Thought you'd forgotten all about it there for a mo! And tbh I have been quiet here largely as I've been working my little cotton socks off on meeting that deadline.
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                     And! I totally finished the tutorial and the prologue for the end of August! So yay me! I kicked it out for some play testing with a few mates and then went on holiday just waiting for the showers of praise for when I returned.
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                     *crinkles nose* That last bit sorta didn't happen though and what I have I now don't consider to be releasable sadly. Well, it -is- but not much point in doing so. Don't get me wrong however, it's not all bad news. Indeed far from it. As with my earlier re-write it seems to be more to being over-ambitious and getting a tad carried away with my little self. Let me share the feedback...
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                       Setting was generally thought well of. A realistic background and environment that they all bought into
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                       Character design was considered very good in terms of how the NPC's reacted to your choices. Even on separate play runs where different choices made annoyed the NPC's, the reactions were considered to be constant with them as individuals. So ..yay..I made believable people!
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                       Problems when encountered had multiple paths to solution and, even if failed, didn't bring the game to a halt (this was considered a
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                       Graphics were considered fine to good, although everyone would have preferred 4kHD (who wouldn't...), but they certainly did the job required.
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                       Story was well paced and they felt that the decisions they made mattered as to what would actually happen.
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                       Random events on each play run caught them by surprise - which they liked.
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                       The tutorial was felt to be too long and too full of self referential humour. Only one out of the three people liked it as it was...(although the one that did like it did -love- it)
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                       Content was just too hard to find at times it seems. Although the game play was liked with the freedom it gave, this also meant that some stuff was just missed. On average (although this is partly due to branching story lines) each of them only found 50 per cent of the content; and worse - even if I add up all the different bits they each found, there was still a good third that no one ever touched, even with multiple goes.
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                       Some of the content felt a little forced in and would be better suited further down the line when the characters and NPC knew each other better. It smacked of "Look what I can do!" rather than feeling entirely natural.
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                       The multiple solution path ended up causing problems oddly enough. For once they realised that it wasn't just a case of "use A at B to do C" they kept trying all sorts of equipment choices on anything - all the time! Ultimately this broke their immersion rather than added to it - which wasn't helped by the odd Easter egg which they did find, and so encouraged them to carry on trying everything on everything and turned the game accidentally into a grind fest where no grind existed... (and yes, yes, I know. I sort of spotted this problem back in July, but thought I found a way to make the inventory mechanic work better. So that was me wrong again...)
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                       Totally revamp the tutorial menu. Give the player a choice of a one pager tutorial (I originally planned this oddly enough then changed my mind....shows what I know) or the full tutorial. Trim the latter down regardless and take out some of the humour and asides.
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                       The content had two problems. Too hard to find and sometimes forced. I'll strip out some of both of these and shove them in Chapter One where I have more scope to give pointers and the player has more time to find them rather than on the short journey from mother ship to planet.
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                       Simplify and trim the equipment options I think...this one will take some mulling though, and I don't have an easy answer yet as this will be my third attempt at getting this bit right.
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                       I hate the fact I couldn't pull this one off easily as it is something I -so- want to have. I think the best thing here is to strip out the multiple option for now. Complete it as a male MC and focus on getting that right for the complete game - then go back and add a female MC properly if enough people actually want it.
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                     So..am I disappointed? A little to be honest. But I'd rather I'd done the play testing route than release it wild here I suppose to general dismay; and it is all fixable - if frustrating. Ah the joys of game design!
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                     Alright then so how long and when? Well let me stick my neck out and say by the end of the month? After all I'm largely taking things out than having to put things in!
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                        I've spent the past few days trying to hack and slash my way through the two versions that I have.....and I'm banging my head against the wall. Trying to pull a little bit from A and a little bit from B to make something better than the parts.....um..No. It's not working. It's a bloody messy exercise.
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                     Thank God for that! I thought it was just me being a ditz! That's twice in two days you've bumped up my morale now!
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                     We had programming experience but in the realm of business software and data analytics. So game design was a totally new thing for us. And Daz we had !zero! experience.
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                     And no, no coding background. I've an analytical background myself so the logical thought process useful for coding is there I suppose but as for touching Daz or Renpy....first time I even had a go was in March. Hence why the steep improvement/learning curve I suspect and why stuff I did earlier , especially on renders,- which I thought was OK - now no longer is.
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                     Basically I have my story and decide what I want the game to do - then work out how to do it!
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                     Which is where a lot of the fun for me comes from to be honest. That whole "can I make it do this?" sort of thing. It's also why the game originally kept growing and why the playtesters, quite rightly, took me to task over some of the stuff that was originally in the game.
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                     The inventory system is a case in point. I was so keen to have one, just to see if I could make it work, that I did lose sight of -why- I needed one. In the end it really turned out that the inventory system was just adding steps to the game that either weren't really needed or just distracted from the flow. The most cutting feedback I had was "So...I'm getting Hinterlands vibes here..." which if you've ever played Dragon Age Inquisition you'll know what she meant by that!
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                     For example, there is a stage in the prologue where, for the sake of not spoiling anything, an "incident" happens. Now the MC has a number of ways of solving this whilst on a small shuttle craft. And depending on what solution the MC chooses will take him down various paths, impact on how people see him etc. So far so good. Now two of his options require a piece of (different) equipment. Which seemed perfect for having an inventory system - yet all it was really doing was adding a few extra steps for the MC to find X and use X.... It didn't actually add to the game at all, just added a few extra clicks. I mean, he's on a small shuttle at this point - everything is practically in reach anyway!
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                        And no, no coding background. I've an analytical background myself so the logical thought process useful for coding is there I suppose but as for touching Daz or Renpy....first time I even had a go was in March. Hence why the steep improvement/learning curve I suspect and why stuff I did earlier , especially on renders,- which I thought was OK - now no longer is.
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                        Basically I have my story and decide what I want the game to do - then work out how to do it!
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                        Which is where a lot of the fun for me comes from to be honest. That whole "can I make it do this?" sort of thing. It's also why the game originally kept growing and why the playtesters, quite rightly, took me to task over some of the stuff that was originally in the game.
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                        The inventory system is a case in point. I was so keen to have one, just to see if I could make it work, that I did lose sight of -why- I needed one. In the end it really turned out that the inventory system was just adding steps to the game that either weren't really needed or just distracted from the flow. The most cutting feedback I had was "So...I'm getting Hinterlands vibes here..." which if you've ever played Dragon Age Inquisition you'll know what she meant by that!
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                        For example, there is a stage in the prologue where, for the sake of not spoiling anything, an "incident" happens. Now the MC has a number of ways of solving this whilst on a small shuttle craft. And depending on what solution the MC chooses will take him down various paths, impact on how people see him etc. So far so good. Now two of his options require a piece of (different) equipment. Which seemed perfect for having an inventory system - yet all it was really doing was adding a few extra steps for the MC to find X and use X.... It didn't actually add to the game at all, just added a few extra clicks. I mean, he's on a small shuttle at this point - everything is practically in reach anyway!
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                     That you coded an inventory system with no previous exposure to renpy is impressive to me. We decided what we needed from renpy was the ability to write a branching story, nothing more for now. So we focused our efforts on learning the ins and outs of Daz which lead to a 1000% superiority in our Daz skills over Renpy.
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                     Renpy frustrates me sometimes because simple shit I'd do in Python can have strange results in Renpy. Designing an inventory system for example is beyond our skillset at this moment, so kudos to you!
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                     But learning Daz surfaces, lighting, physics, etc. That I enjoy.
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                     It doesn't take much to improve a Daz render to the point where all of your previous work looks shoddy. Even now we have to force ourselves not to go back and improve our old renders. So I understand your struggle!
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                     THIS! Totally! I love and hate Renpy in equal measure!
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                     You might be impressed I did an inventory system but I still haven't cracked how to do a customised text input box for entering the players name! Everything else is customised except that bloody thing, it drives me nuts!
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                     Oh isn't that the truth!
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                     But..but..but..you'd see my terrible coding!
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                     Seriously though that's one hell of an offer. Thank you. Let me see if I can crack this third go
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                        THIS! Totally! I love and hate Renpy in equal measure!
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                     That was a frustrating afternoon for me. Slowly going through the customization options and tweaking one thing at time, loading the game and seeing what changed. I fail to see why after all this time Renpy has failed to put out a more comprehensive document on their product.
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                     One trick we use religiously is to render out at 4000 pixels wide in a 16:9 ratio. We let it run for five to twenty minutes depending on complexity, then use photo shop to scale it down to 1280 x 720. Photoshops sampling during the resizing removes a lot of grain and noise and leaves you with a very clean image that takes a fraction of the time.
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                     The big news is with any luck it's going to be ready for playtesting again this weekend. Given that the re-work should have dealt with the original playtest concerns, this should be more of a bug test than anything else so.....it could/should be out next week!
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                     Again this has been a blessing and a curse in some ways, as the chapter length has ended up increasing to twelve. Hell, if I used every idea I had in what passes for my brain the twelve chapters would just be season one! But I'm being good (ish) and restricting myself to a single twelve parter
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                        The re-rendering, although a pain, has been well worth it tbh. If I'm -really- honest with myself I probably should have learned more about using Daz before trying to put a game together in the first place I think. Still, we're all smarties with 20/20 hindsight are we not?
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                     Cool, glad it worked out.
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                     So out of a grand total of 537 renders needed so far for the first chapter I've 186 done. To be honest I'd expected to be further but I'm battling with a 2GB card so, even using every trick in the book, it's taking time. On the other hand, given that a lot of the early renders include the majority of conversation close ups it's not looking too bad as the close ups -really- suck up processing requirements. Especially when using fine detail hair.
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                     Sarah in particular can be a bitch to render close up wise. It was getting so bad earlier this week she nearly got a make over but, having tried a few different styles in desperation, she just didn't look "Sarah" enough for me so...she got a reprieve. I'm taking comfort from the pain she causes me knowing what can possibly happen to her later down the line.....
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                     So I suppose it's time to show the goods?
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                     Now I totes promise I've done the best I can here given the limitations I'm working with. As well as that I've also modified assets as much as possible so as to avoid the usual "I've seen that somewhere before" sorta thing. This includes making little props for the background etc to add flavour and, again, bring something new to the party. Hopefully any "meh" in render quality will be offset by the quality of gameplay.
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                     This is going to seem an odd thing to say but I hate the fact that I'm getting better at rendering....it sorta makes me want to redo the ones I've already done. But I won't - if only because this game will never get done otherwise!
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                     Alright...I might have redone some...
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                     Not out there at all!
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                     It's a POV style game I'm afraid though. So there isn't really anything to show. The MC looks however you want the to be.
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                        The first chapter is all finished! I'm just tinkering with the interface a little bit then I'll finally be happy with it. One of the last things I'm wrestling with is how to balance the players sense of progress yet at the same time make that progress not in the realms of "second sight".
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                        What I mean is in real life we don't really know how people think about us. We have an idea, but sadly people don't go around with little hearts above their head etc to show us what they really feel/think about us. So I'm trying a narrative based approached instead. One that becomes more accurate the better you know the person.
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                        As with everything I try to implement, I thought it would be easier than it's turned out to be of course! Thankfully it works, I'm just trying to make it less "clunky" at the moment. But I want to try and nail this so that I can progress with further chapters without having to revisit any of the mechanics later.
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                        Of course that now leaves me with a completely different problem as I wrap up this first chapter.
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                        Given this chapter has been re-written three times, has been rendered and then re-rendered a further twice due to changing assets and larger graphic sizes, and has been subject to constant "oh, wouldn't it be good if I did that!"'s ....I have no idea how long a chapter will now actually take to make!
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                        I'm torn now between releasing the bloody thing as soon as I'm happy with this last bit, or sitting on it whilst I do chapter two so I have an idea on how long an update will actually take. People rather like monthly updates is my feel ( I know I do). If it's going to take me two months to do a chapter it might be better to know in advance. Thoughts?
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                     I'm the last person who can advise on what makes for a good release schedule. Lol. We may finish some stuff and ask ourselves, "Why sit on this till these other things are done." So we release it even though it's only about fifteen minutes of gameplay. Other times, we wait until we have three or four scenes done and drop those at once. I think monthly updates are what people are accustomed to, but in the end, I think deep down they are happy with any game that is actually seeing progress be it large or small.
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                     We have players who hate our update schedule, but they keep coming back and keep playing because even though they dislike the intervals, they love our product. They gripe about how small the release is, and then turn around and praise how good it was. I think in the end, just do what you're comfortable with and if the quality is there, people will still line up.
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                     You sound like you suffer the same achilles heel as I do, constant rewrites. Based on what you've told me, I would advise against waiting for Chapter 2 to be done. Only because once it's finished, you'll find something in Chapter 1 you'll want to rewrite. And then after you're updated Chapter 1, you'll think of something to add in Chapter 2, and the vicious cycle will continue.
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                     I have a personal rule, that is very hard at times, that I am only allowed to rewrite something once. I do my first draft, and then I do my second. Any additional rewrites must come after the story is finished. This way, I know what happens at every stage of the story and can then go back and make Chapter 1 as strong as possible, and so on and so forth. Without that rule, I'd rewrite forever...
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                     I do like the verbal descriptions instead of a slider or bar to measure relationship status. It's brilliant. With your permission I might borrow that idea for a later project.
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                     Thank you so much for all of that. At this rate you'll be credited as "official muse" ;P
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                        You sound like you suffer the same achilles heel as I do, constant rewrites. Based on what you've told me, I would advise against waiting for Chapter 2 to be done. Only because once it's finished, you'll find something in Chapter 1 you'll want to rewrite. And then after you're updated Chapter 1, you'll think of something to add in Chapter 2, and the vicious cycle will continue.
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                     Damn. You've caught me. Yep, this is it entirely. To be fair to me none of the main story line has changed, but I do keep adding smaller scenes or little tweaks especially to some of the dialogue as I get to "know" the characters better.
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                        I have a personal rule, that is very hard at times, that I am only allowed to rewrite something once. I do my first draft, and then I do my second. Any additional rewrites must come after the story is finished. This way, I know what happens at every stage of the story and can then go back and make Chapter 1 as strong as possible, and so on and so forth. Without that rule, I'd rewrite forever...
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                     That is a bloody brilliant rule! Stolen and now used!
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                        I do like the verbal descriptions instead of a slider or bar to measure relationship status. It's brilliant. With your permission I might borrow that idea for a later project..
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                     Far too kind!
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                     Alright, so my plan is to see if I can get a sophisticated verbal description going, if not I'll fall back on a more simplified version although still verbal. Then it's a few sound effects and some music and it's done. I'm going to release it in time for Christmas regardless I think, else I'll still be working on it this time next year
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