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                     Darn, I didn't realize I could do multi choice. That's really what I would have liked. I agree with you on the too young thing. I think the shortness thing is main cause of that. I don't get it. 18 or 20 year old sons are shown shorter than the moms or older sisters.
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                     When the kids barely reach the parents shoulders is the most annoying thing there can be. I mean, they're as tall as 10-year olds. When they're next to each other, then it's all fine - they all look adult enough. But when they're standing next to their parents, they look like they're adopted, with their biological parents much shorter than the adopted ones.
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                     Thank you all! I really appreciate your excellent points and thoughts. I added another poll which is trying to do a similar thing to the one above (i.e., figure out if there is a consensus on how incest-themed games could be improved). The other poll is in the positive, and it has multiple choice. It's here:
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                     PErsonally, thanks to Patreon shutting down on it, I want to see devs use some imagination and move away from the oh so easy and overdone incest into something we haven't seen beat to death like Adam Sandler's career.
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                     If I see another dev make a game involving the same old mother and 2 sister (one of which has to hate the MC while the other loves him) with the MC being such an unlikeable dicknozzle i'm going to personally find that dev and bludgeon the shit out of them with their keyboard.
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                     You get the same old shit constantly. Shower spying, sleep rape, blackmail, coercion, groping and mind numbingly boring words strung together to make a barely coherent story.
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                     The problem is mugs eat that shit up. Read the reviews on anything incest related and you have people declaring it as literary genius. You'd think the dev made incests version of War and Peace while it's safer to assume a Monkey tapped out a rendition of Singing in the Rain on a large keyboard and they used that for the script.
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                         Of the following possible faults in
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                     They interact most of the time like roomates/friends or landlady/lord, not like siblings and parents.
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                     And of course those "incest patches" doesn't change anything besides the descriptions (landlady -&gt; mother), so no help from them.
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                     A lot of the options sort of boil down to lack of originality, which is often the case with lots of games, but noticeable in games with incest.
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                     1) Too few lesbian incest games. I get that the taboo factor is not as strong as in straight incest, given the fact that reproduction isn't possible, but I still prefer lesbian porn to straight porn.
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                     2) Sons who are smaller than their mothers and in the worst case still have child-like features.
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                     3) By far not as bad as the above, but still annoying: When trying to avoid actual incest, developers have a habit of changing mothers into landladies. Why not mothers in law or maybe friend's (or enemy's) mothers?
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                     To start with, I really dislike overly-perverted protagonists. Honestly it's one of my biggest pet peeves. The whole "OMG moms in the shower!?!?! I can see her tits! OMG it's the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life!" shut the fuck dude, chill. It's just tits. Even 14 year old me wouldn't have acted like that, yet these games are pandered to adults? Along that line, I hate how stupid everyone is, primarily the protag.
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                        I feel like it would be more apt to title this:
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                        A lot of the options sort of boil down to lack of originality, which is often the case with lots of games, but noticeable in games with incest.
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                        Some of these I can't really fault the developers for. For example, "Same old family unit: Mom, Older Sister,...". However, it would be nice if developers realized there's more related members in a family than those directly next to you in your family tree. We've got cousins, aunts, nieces, nephews, etc. I might start an argument by saying this, but you've even got step relatives to choose from as well!
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                     Including unknown/unexpected blood relatives!
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                     I realized I should have voted other but went with repetitive.
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                     Pretty tolerant with the content (including incest) until it comes to phallic things because reasons, so anything goes as long as the developer can have fun, make it original and, if possible, keep it females only if any sex/nudity is involved, but that one's a personal preference.
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                     I've seen some incredibly cute incest art, novels and games trying hard to keep the taboo aspect ("this is so wrong*, we really shouldn't be doing this") while also making it interesting to read/watch/play and adorable. Maybe this is just a tame "forbidden love" approach but oh well, works for me!
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