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                     Okay, it's been a while since my last "rant". Step away from the forum if you're bored by these things.
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                     So, my question, that, in a sense, all my other questions stem from is: Why don't people play the darn game?
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                     This goes for (a) save requests, (b) password requests, (c) walkthrough requests, (d) quiz answer requests and etc., etc.
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                     It's one thing if the person is trying to simply get to fappable material (dumb, but understandable), but many people don't even seem to
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                     Good god, man, it's a game! Play it a little and see if you can manage some simple things like clicking here and there. Outside of super-grind games, most of these things are pretty straightforward and those cries for help could be self-solved.
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                     I'd generally agree for the most part and for most games. There are some exceptions where I wouldn't take such an extreme stand and where questions for savegames (games where old saves do not work) and walkthroughs (games which fail to provide sufficient hints or hide certain content extremely well) are somewhat legitimate. In that case it bothers me a lot more that people don't use the search function and ask the same question again and again.
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                     The "This generation" argument is always so lazy.
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                     We have plenty of users here who might not speak English as their first language. That can make getting through a game rather hard. Some people might not have the time to devote to sitting for several hours to figure out how to get X ending or Y scene. Some people might not have the computer literacy to navigate a game as easily.
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                     Obviously genuine requests for help aren't a problem to anyone, I wouldn't have thought.
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                        The "This generation" argument is always so lazy.
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                        We have plenty of users here who might not speak English as their first language. That can make getting through a game rather hard. Some people might not have the time to devote to sitting for several hours to figure out how to get X ending or Y scene. Some people might not have the computer literacy to navigate a game as easily.
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                     I wish not to pick a fight here, and i might be old and grumpy but the generation thingy is a thing. The old guys are just jerks aint an argument too. But you know, it does not really matter and as i have zero grudge here, we gonna agree to disagree and gladly move on, btw i take the opportunity to thank you for the uploads you made.
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                     TL;DR - teach a man to fish....
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                        I dunno man, why do I always picture you making the same face as your profile going, "bruhhhh".
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                     I always thought that was his cum face....
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                        My game right now is a very basic VN with one significant choice at the end of the current update. As of right now it's just click and read. Someone in the thread asked for a walkthrough.
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                     This and V0.1 [demo] - walkthrough, save?
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                     Asking is one thing, being stupid about it is another.  I have responded to people that it's linear and no walkthrough is needed only for the very next post to be a request for a walkthrough.
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                        Everything now generation have no time to waste to search (look at thread, can't even read 2 posts previous theirs), they just need to consume at massive proportion....
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                        These days, I mainly just extract the CG and look at the pretty pictures.
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                     That's another one (obviously not you as you do your own), the requests for CG - read you download it, extract the CG and then upload them for me.
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                        Absolutely, my friend. You're often the voice of reasoned debate &amp; calmness in a sea of utter carnage.
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                     HA!! He's like a duck, all calm and reasoned on the surface, but stirring like mad below the surface
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                        Why begrudge somebody a quick jerk?  You don't want to provide a savegame or walkthrough, you don't have to.  Randoms on the forum don't have any power over you.
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                     Because it gives power over them?
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                        And you'll never fix them all.  Every day a new fledgling perv finds this forum and wants all 'dem tiddies right now.  So make peace with the fact that until mass sterilization happens, there will always be some moron wandering into the Internet who doesn't give a shit that manners are nice.
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                     Which is one of things I look at - post count/member since.  I know I'm a bit of whore, but if you've posted in 3 figures, you should know some basics like how to search, how to use spoilers, what the site etiquette is.
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                     I don't give a flying damn who you are or where you're from there is no excuse to forget at least a please or thank you (or a like).  On that basis if you don't give a shit about manners, don't expect me to respond to you.
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                     Then there is expectation and laziness.  Expectation that someone do it for you and laziness to either do it yourself or even look through for an answer.
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                     A number of people here will have seen my response to some requests and I know I come across as snarky at times, I think it's better to give people information on how to get answers for themselves.
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                     As a rule of thumb I don't post saves, no comeback on the name I've chosen or the fiddles I've done, however occasionally you get screwed by your hardware so if a regular in a thread were to ask I may do it.
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                     So a game with professional mechanics, well-written, in a finished state, no scenes can be locked out by choices you make, with lots of porn sprinkles throughout so you don't get bored with buildup.
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                     You're being sarcastic, but I'd say this is a fairly realistic description of the current state of adult game development from a high level.
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                     It is, but speaking from personal experience, the devs put a lot into these games. Taking on developing a game is like getting another job, it's at least 20-40 hours per week. Many have to do their own art, writing, and coding; all of which is done in our free time.
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                        It is, but speaking from personal experience, the devs put a lot into these games. Taking on developing a game is like getting another job, it's at least 20-40 hours per week. Many have to do their own art, writing, and coding; all of which is done in our free time.
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                     I'm not trying to blame developers for anything. Game development is hard, and time consuming, and potentially expensive. But that doesn't change the reasons I mentioned.
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                        People just want to get to the porn. They don't want to spend hours digging through an amateur (I mean that literally, not as an insult) game just to get to a handful of sex scenes.
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                     But that still means that someone, somewhere has to play through the content to get to the 'porn'.
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                     I don't think the content plays into it as much as the form. Since the structural setup of these games is in a piece-by-piece release method, some of the problems you mention will be endemic to any "in development" game, not just adult content.
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                     Having been part of them, I can't disagree. Between slang and sometime the (irrational) fear to ask google what "be ready, I'll destroy your dirty whore's cunt" can mean, it took time and many games before you start to understand what's really said.
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                     Because yes, people can fear to ask google a translation for this king of sentence. Not because they fear to be tracked and marked as pervert, but because our brain is tricky. You're more chocked when you discover that it mean something crude, than when you know it from start.
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                     And the two can mix together, with or without the language barrier.
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                     Some game authors and (more than they thought) experienced players fail to see the need of a walkthrough because each choice is obvious or in fact change just the next four dialogs lines. In their mind it's a, "you can't fail" situation. But it's not always this obvious for someone who don't know much about computer, especially if they don't have enough time to start a "trial and error" approach, and discover that their choice don't matter or really are obvious. For them, it's a challenge and they don't want to fail at it.
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                     For me it's because it's an adult game, but not because they only care about the sex content. It's because that they fail to take them seriously. For them it's
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                     I'm rehashing a bit here, but so be it.  There are valid requests (broken saves, etc.) and there are lazy requests.  The valid requests are the dev's "fault" and the lazy requests are the player's fault.  Some people just don't want to put in any amount of effort for anything.  It is no surprise that these are the same people that can't be bothered to use a search on the game thread.  You can't fix these people, sorry.
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