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                     I'm by no means an expert on this stuff but here is how I understand it:
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                     Assuming the defaults on my PC ... Medium Threshold = 512 / High Threshold = 1024
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                     Before images get passed to the renderer they are compressed bases on these thresholds.
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                     Image-size below 512x512 = uncompressed
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                     Image-size above 1023x1023 = high compression, high quality loss
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                     In other words, lowering these values to 256/512 will highly increase the chance the see compression artifacts. But it reduces the memory-consumption and more textures can fit into the precious VRAM.
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                     On the other hand higher values like 1024/2048 will increase the memory-consumption but the images are higher quality due to less compression. On more complex scenes you could run out of VRAM and Iray would fall back to
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                     That program is very useful, just not on characters. I have also noticed on some props, namely a bed in one of my scenes, some white sploches after using scene optimizer. The fix for that was one less reduction in texture resolution.
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                     I use scene optimizer frequently on characters (including clothing and hair) without issue.
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                     A few basic "rules" that may help-
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                     First, always test it on the subject alone.  So try just the character and their skin, for example, not the character in a complete scene.  Render it a few times with different lights if you need to.  If you're feeling crafty, save this "optimized" subject as a separate scene which you can then later merge into your final scene of other optimized bits.
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                     Second, don't just blindly adjust everything in one shot and hope for the best.  I have a general rule of thumb for texture resolution optimization that works very well for me- try to get the final texture resolution close to the output render resolution for key elements (such as characters). So if I'm rendering in full HD and the character has 4k maps I'll reduce them to 1k maps but not below that. I also only optimize any element once, so from 4k to 1k is one shot, not two times of cutting the resolution in half each time although that shouldn't matter.
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                     Finally, don't rely on a script to do all of your work.  While scene optimizer is handy it isn't magic, it's just saving you the effort of opening up those files in another tool and reducing them yourself.
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                     Here is an example of an optimized character without any visual flaws caused by the optimization.  This scene rendered in 8 minutes and some change on my "OK" but not crazy PC.  The biggest optimization that cut a ton of time off the render was to replace the wall textures with a basic black shader- no maps, no effects.  The important element of the wall is the window, the window casing and wall material's bump and normal maps were visible originally but unimportant to the scene so they were easily optimized out but not by the script (this also works on lit surfaces, be creative).  The laptop, table and chair are barely visible and look fine with a 512 map, normal maps were removed from most of the laptop and all of the chair and table surfaces.  The lady now has 1k maps which works and the bulk of the detail comes from the HD mesh and shadows.
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                     Here she is with different lighting (emisive surface from the laptop screen is the only light source) but with the same optimizations to her and her clothes. This one doesn't even have a wall in the scene, just a solid black environment.
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                        I just came across the prime example for bad texture-compression. No size changes, just compression.
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                     Yeah I get that on occasion when I use scene optimizer. If I get that I just reload the scene and don't reduce so much.
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