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                        I only just noticed that there don't seem to be any games that have loli or shota content like Urban Demons, which makes me a sad panda.
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                        Anyone know of any similar type sites that would have those games, i feel like i missed a bunch of them only checking here
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                        Shota isn't allowed unless it's a popular game, apparently.
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                        Incestral Awakenings = Totally not OK
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                        The Urban Demon's matter, trust me, it's still something I wondering nowadays but probably the shota in there, falls in the category of "14/15/16 years old type allowed", or maybe has something to do with the art style itself, that doesn't represent the actual body and thus it's some sort of "joke" (pretty much like the pixel games and chibi games). Don't know and I don't care.
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                        For Incestral Awakenings, are you serious? That guy it's even more younger/little than the one from Urban Demon's and others and that definitely don't falls into the category of "14-16 years old" but more on "7 years old" which is not allowed here, at all.
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                     The main character can ejaculate in Incestral awakening which puts him right in line with 14 year old boys.
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                        It's a presentation thing. The kids in IA are very obvious pretty young, with matching proportions and attitudes. The MC in UD is physically larger (and thus older seeming) and has a more mature - so to speak - attitude to more adult activities.
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                     There's no way you're going to convince me that the literal elementary school kid who doesn't (Purity route) even know what fapping is, is anything but an underage child. He's small in stature,  consistently referred to as a child, looks like a child but he gets a pass because it's a popular game made by a popular developer.
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                     UrbanXLife still exists on this website and it has a legit child molestation scene in the game (legit child molestation, you actually rape a little girl in the playground in that game).
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                        There's no way you're going to convince me that the literal elementary school kid who doesn't (Purity route) even know what fapping is, is anything but an underage child. He's small in stature,  consistently referred to as a child, looks like a child but he gets a pass because it's a popular game made by a popular developer.
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                        UrbanXLife still exists on this website and it has a legit child molestation scene in the game (legit child molestation, you actually rape a little girl in the playground in that game).
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                     I'm just paraphrasing what was said when IA was rejected. IA is far from an unknown, unpopular game after all, so I don't think it has anything to do with "brand recognition" or the like.
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                     I wasn't aware that UXL had that kind of content or that it was still allowed here, that does seem a little hypocritical, but that definitely doesn't have anything to do with popularity; I'm pretty sure UXL is considered a joke around here.
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                        The main character can ejaculate in Incestral awakening which puts him right in line with 14 year old boys.
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                        There's no way you're going to convince me that the literal elementary school kid who doesn't (Purity route) even know what fapping is, is anything but an underage child. He's small in stature,  consistently referred to as a child, looks like a child but he gets a pass because it's a popular game made by a popular developer.
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                     The fact that "The MC in IA can ejaculate" doesn't mean anything, that doesn't puts him in the line of 14-16 years old guy. The hell are you talking about? We are talking about the representation of the character from the way they looks, not by the way they cums or when they cums or if they cum
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                        The Urban Demon's matter, trust me, it's still something I wondering nowadays but probably the shota in there, falls in the category of "14/15/16 years old type allowed", or maybe has something to do with the art style itself, that doesn't represent the actual body and thus it's some sort of "joke" (pretty much like the pixel games and chibi games). Don't know and I don't care.
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                        For Incestral Awakenings, are you serious? That guy it's even more younger/little than the one from Urban Demon's and others and that definitely don't falls into the category of "14-16 years old" but more on "7 years old" which is not allowed here, at all.
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                        The fact that "The MC in IA can ejaculate" doesn't mean anything, that doesn't puts him in the line of 14-16 years old guy. The hell are you talking about? We are talking about the representation of the character from the way they looks, not by the way they cums or when they cums or if they cum
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                     It means that he's at the very least, 14 years old.
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                        The fact that "The MC in IA can ejaculate" doesn't mean anything, that doesn't puts him in the line of 14-16 years old guy. The hell are you talking about? We are talking about the representation of the character from the way they looks, not by the way they cums or when they cums or if they cum
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                     Well, he does have a twin sister with breasts and already fairly feminine hips. They're clearly in their early teens, he is just a bit of a late bloomer. Also, speaking from an artist's point of view, even if they didn't intend this, the ear placement gives them away as at least teens. As you age and mature your ears continue to appear lower in relation to your facial features. Young kids have their ears' mid-line about even with their eyes or a little lower, by the time you are in your early teens your ears line up fairly evenly with your nose and by the time you are fully mature the top of your ears should be about even with your eyes and the bottom of the ears around mouth height.
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                        It means that he's at the very least, 14 years old.
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                        Well, he does have a twin sister with breasts and already fairly feminine hips. They're clearly in their early teens, he is just a bit of a late bloomer. Also, speaking from an artist's point of view, even if they didn't intend this, the ear placement gives them away as at least teens. As you age and mature your ears continue to appear lower in relation to your facial features. Young kids have their ears' mid-line about even with their eyes or a little lower, by the time you are in your early teens your ears line up fairly evenly with your nose and by the time you are fully mature the top of your ears should be about even with your eyes and the bottom of the ears around mouth height.
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                     If you mean the one that is
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                        The game never lists their age, but it does state they are twins, in other words born at the same time. Here is his sister with a clearly teen body, making her exact same age twin brother a teen as well.
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                     ...how can she be the twin sister of him, if he clearly is way younger than her, I honestly don't know. These devs sure have some confused idea about "born at the same time" (or maybe they just "revamped" the whole art from when I tried long ago, but it's still not enough). But anyway, personally speaking for me (but even for others uploaders and staff), she's still way too younger and also, those for you are feminine hips? We got a problem here. Seriously. And breast? Were? Those two flat "boards"?
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                     Girls physically mature sooner than boys, that is very common. Most boys don't usually hit their puberty growth spurt until about 14-16, while most girls hit theirs around the 12-14 range. They are probably right around 13-15 based on the previous stated point about their ears and the fact that they stand about 6 and a half heads tall. The two are pretty close in build, but he is a tad taller and yes - she does in fact have typical teen breast and hip development well within the expected norms that I'd expect for that age range with her only recently hitting her puberty growth spurt within the past few years. If they were actually children still they would have virtually identical body shapes, with a little dick and different hair styles being about the only things separating them in appearance.
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                        Girls physically mature sooner than boys, that is very common. Most boys don't usually hit their puberty growth spurt until about 14-16, while most girls hit theirs around the 12-14 range. They are probably right around 13-15 based on the previous stated point about their ears and the fact that they stand about 6 and a half heads tall. The two are pretty close in build, but he is a tad taller and yes - she does in fact have typical teen breast and hip development well within the expected norms that I'd expect for that age range with her only recently hitting her puberty growth spurt within the past few years. If they were actually children still they would have virtually identical body shapes, with a little dick and different hair styles being about the only things separating them in appearance.
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                        Personally I think it is a great game that is being unjustly black listed. It's hand drawn 2D and the style is very cartoonish, which clears it of the realistic objections that usually gets games banned. There are certainly much younger looking characters in games on this site right now with much more explicit content, but I won't name names as I am against any sort of censorship or pulling of games.
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                     Again with the scientific explanation here. You can go on with this, but the truth is: if the char looks too young than what is allowed, then it's not allowed here. Simple as that. To the Law itself and other things around the world, doesn't matter these kind of things, that's it.
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                     All this time I was just explaining why this game it's not allowed here, without quoting too much shit that you can find on wikipedia or around the internet - because I'm good too when it comes to do some research, or remembering what I've studied in high school - and that's it.
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                     Also, again, the art style it's too much "real" compared to others. And again, let's drop this IA matter ok? Because keep complaining about why this game it's not here when mods and staff gave you millions and millions of explanation here and there all the time, it's useless. In fact, this whole thread is somewhat useless because everyone knows as of now what shota and loli content are allowed and what not, and that the "shota/loli" matter is a delicate one and not something that you can talk about it lightly.
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                     Cartoon style art work is not realistic, arguably not even semi-realistic based on their facial features. Add to that the fact that the MC can produce ample amounts of semen, which is a clear sign of having been going through puberty for at least a year, since males generally can't start producing semen until around a year after entering puberty.
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                     As such he does show at least one indisputable sign of puberty and when combined with what we know about his twin sister it becomes abundantly clear that they are not prepubescent and thus the game should not be subject to that rule by any rational evaluation of the rule's wording and the game's content. IA doesn't deserve to be banned for anything other than the prejudices of someone in charge. While that is their prerogative, it seems foolish to ban a game that clearly doesn't break the rules and I've yet to hear any good arguments against it from staff or otherwise. Anyhow, I'll just keep getting the monthly updates from their blog. It's just a shame it isn't on here where it can get some more exposure and proper discussion, since it's easily in the top 10 ero games I've played in recent memory and I'm sure many here would enjoy it.
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                        Cartoon style art work is not realistic, arguably not even semi-realistic based on their facial features. Add to that the fact that the MC can produce ample amounts of semen, which is a clear sign of having been going through puberty for at least a year, since males generally can't start producing semen until around a year after entering puberty.
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                        As such he does show at least one indisputable sign of puberty and when combined with what we know about his twin sister it becomes abundantly clear that they are not prepubescent and thus the game should not be subject to that rule by any rational evaluation of the rule's wording and the game's content. IA doesn't deserve to be banned for anything other than the prejudices of someone in charge. While that is their prerogative, it seems foolish to ban a game that clearly doesn't break the rules and I've yet to hear any good arguments against it from staff or otherwise. Anyhow, I'll just keep getting the monthly updates from their blog. It's just a shame it isn't on here where it can get some more exposure and proper discussion, since it's easily in the top 10 ero games I've played in recent memory and I'm sure many here would enjoy it.
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                        Alright, just to clear up a few things. I don't see any staff member or mod titles under your name, so please stop trying to speak on their behalf. The rule on underage content is exactly this:
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                        Cartoon style art work is not realistic, arguably not even semi-realistic based on their facial features. Add to that the fact that the MC can produce ample amounts of semen, which is a clear sign of having been going through puberty for at least a year, since males generally can't start producing semen until around a year after entering puberty.
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                        As such he does show at least one indisputable sign of puberty and when combined with what we know about his twin sister it becomes abundantly clear that they are not prepubescent and thus the game should not be subject to that rule by any rational evaluation of the rule's wording and the game's content. IA doesn't deserve to be banned for anything other than the prejudices of someone in charge. While that is their prerogative, it seems foolish to ban a game that clearly doesn't break the rules and I've yet to hear any good arguments against it from staff or otherwise. Anyhow, I'll just keep getting the monthly updates from their blog. It's just a shame it isn't on here where it can get some more exposure and proper discussion, since it's easily in the top 10 ero games I've played in recent memory and I'm sure many here would enjoy it.
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                     may not have a mod or staff tag but the uploading team works closely with both of those teams. We all work together to ensure the content on this site fits with the direction we want it to go. Behind the scenes games are rejected and approved in a place that all Uploaders, Mods, and Staff can see them. We do this to keep some level on consistency across the site in regards to content. IA went through that same process and it was determined that the content did not fit with the site.
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                     You are totally free to disagree with that. I am not going to stop you. But you aren't arguing anything that ten people haven't argued before.
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                        may not have a mod or staff tag but the uploading team works closely with both of those teams. We all work together to ensure the content on this site fits with the direction we want it to go. Behind the scenes games are rejected and approved in a place that all Uploaders, Mods, and Staff can see them. We do this to keep some level on consistency across the site in regards to content. IA went through that same process and it was determined that the content did not fit with the site.
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                     That's... debatable. To put it mildly.
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                        Testicular assassin might be confused as someone living inside the culture but someone instantly making a "everyone liking loli/shota is a rapist predator irl" van joke, or confusing fictional games with cartoon characters as actual people with actual ages are not universal constants.
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                        Then you get the lies about "oh we do this to stay out of trouble legally" when its obviously about how mods feel about it. It's an ideology more than anything. Popular in america, less so elsewhere.
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                     This a a forum made up of people from all walks of life and all different backgrounds.
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                     We are building a forum that is going in a direction that does not include a lot of loli or Shota content. This was passed down from F95 and we all work to make sure the forum continues to go in that direction.
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                     I understand and am sorry this may alienate some users. Some may not even feel welcome here, and that is regrettable. But Loli and shota content will continue to not be posted here.
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                        I understand and am sorry this may alienate some users. Some may not even feel welcome here, and that is regrettable.
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                     I'd say moderators saying "Leave then. We don't want you here, Chester." makes them feel less welcome here than the exclusion of games. But its not an ideology or anything. Just them giving friendly advice about what you need to believe to be welcome here.
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                     Americans seem to be rather worried about being viewed as a pedophile as it would ruin their lives or something. You know, they just can't afford letting people think that. I gave the van joke as another example of typical americanism. The mystical stalkers of children driving around in vans are an american myth that isn't really a thing where I live. In US some parents got in trouble for letting their children walk to school unattended while it's standard practice in EU. Why? The hysteria about pedos isn't same in EU. It's a result of decades of fearmongering in media and christian values.
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                     pretty much this, puberty normally starts at about 10-14, and there are of course cases going even further, adding at least +/- two years on that range, which are of course the more extreme ones. Really got to wonder how nature would say its a good idea to have someone be able to reproduce at that age though.
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                     The rule says nothing about age, just that the characters aren't prepubescent or look like a real kid. If someone started cumming around 11, myself included, that means they hit puberty by the time they were 10. Though even in those cases of early puberty, you won't see a growth spurt in guys from it for at least a few years in. But being able to produce semen is a clear sign of being well into puberty, regardless of how you may look, this is down to the fact that semen production relies on changes to the testes that require the constant hormone flush that comes with puberty, hence you can't have full semen loads without puberty, period.
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                     So both of the youngest twin characters show clear signs of puberty and with the 2D cartoon style none of them look like real kids, so the game doesn't break rule 7. All I'd like to see if for those who made the decision to admit it was an irrational choice based on personal feelings and not because of a breach of rules, then I wouldn't even care if they stuck to their guns and refused to let the game back. But I know that isn't going to happen, so I'll be leaving this conversation now. Have a nice day everyone.
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                        The rule says nothing about age, just that the characters aren't prepubescent or look like a real kid. If someone started cumming around 11, myself included, that means they hit puberty by the time they were 10. Though even in those cases of early puberty, you won't see a growth spurt in guys from it for at least a few years in. But being able to produce semen is a clear sign of being well into puberty, regardless of how you may look, this is down to the fact that semen production relies on changes to the testes that require the constant hormone flush that comes with puberty, hence you can't have full semen loads without puberty, period.
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                        So both of the youngest twin characters show clear signs of puberty and with the 2D cartoon style none of them look like real kids, so the game doesn't break rule 7. All I'd like to see if for those who made the decision to admit it was an irrational choice based on personal feelings and not because of a breach of rules, then I wouldn't even care if they stuck to their guns and refused to let the game back. But I know that isn't going to happen, so I'll be leaving this conversation now. Have a nice day everyone.
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                     may not have a mod or staff tag but the uploading team works closely with both of those teams. We all work together to ensure the content on this site fits with the direction we want it to go. Behind the scenes games are rejected and approved in a place that all Uploaders, Mods, and Staff can see them. We do this to keep some level on consistency across the site in regards to content. IA went through that same process and it was determined that the content did not fit with the site.
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                     Until further notice IA will not be posted here, you can look elsewhere to find it.
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                     You are totally free to disagree with that. I am not going to stop you. But you aren't arguing anything that ten people haven't argued before.
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                     I am sorry that IA is not posted here, but it doesn't line up with how the site wants to move forward.
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                     The average age that a kid is able to ejaculate is 14 years old. That puts him right into that age group.
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                     And are you really fucking telling me that the kid in Urban Demons looks like a middle aged man or something? A kid who doesn't know the slightest thing about sex and comes across as a legit toddler on the purity route?
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                     I don't even care if Incestral Awakening is allowed, tbh the game is pretty shit now anyway with the focus being on loli's (I don't like lolis). But i'm just saying that there's a clear hypocrisy on this website when it comes to games of that nature.
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                        The average age that a kid is able to ejaculate is 14 years old. That puts him right into that age group.
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                     What in the fuck.
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                     What is there to defend exactly, someones biological state of being that is forever unchanging? Are gay people Bad for the exercise of being gay? Should they choose to stop being gay? Fucking ridiculous.
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                     I don't think I need to comment on how thought crimes are now a thing and the guy not seeing the irony of saying that on a pirate forum where literally everyone is a criminal for their actions.
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                        What in the fuck.
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                        What is there to defend exactly, someones biological state of being that is forever unchanging? Are gay people Bad for the exercise of being gay? Should they choose to stop being gay? Fucking ridiculous.
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                        I don't think I need to comment on how thought crimes are now a thing and the guy not seeing the irony of saying that on a pirate forum where literally everyone is a criminal for their actions.
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                     Ok, honest answer without snark.
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                     Here's how it's different than being gay or bi or whatever; consent, which one must be an adult to give. If you have that, fuck anyone you want. But by definition, children cannot give consent.
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                        Here's how it's different than being gay or bi or whatever; consent, which one must be an adult to give. If you have that, fuck anyone you want. But by definition, children cannot give consent.
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                     Thats one thing I was wondering about regarding the US, among quite a few other stuff, is whats the actual age range to not be classified as a children? Does it actually go by age of consent? Doesn't that go up to 18 years in some states?
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                     Im making my confusement even clearer, does that really mean every person under the age of consent set for a state, and living in said state, is not allowed to engage in sexual acts? If so... how? how does that work, if puberty hits and nature calls, and that happens as early as 10-11, how would they actually keep people from trying for up to 6-7 years?
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                     Im honestly baffled there. Playing into the confusion is also the fact that apparently a 16 year old person in a state with the age of consent set at 17 or 18 is the same as a 6 year old then? How can anyone say that makes sense? Up to becoming about 17-18 years there is such a huge growth, in body and mind, that even a 2 year span makes a huge difference.
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                     Why is there even the word teenager, when people dont make a few stepping stones upwards. That also is how education supposedly works best, give people growing up more responsibility, step by step, not all at once in some special cases.
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                     Also read up on those so called Romeo and Julie Laws, because there was a case of a 17 year old female and a 20 year old male (think those were the right ages, maybe off by a year). And the man apparently got onto a sex offender list, cant visit playgrounds anymore, even with the same female and their kids, as he married her later and had children with her. Nearly no one in any country in Europe would, without background information, even think about that being a wrong thing. Not joking.
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                     I guess that shows how different the world infact is or can be, that I even have to ask why. Maybe im also misinformed about some things, thats why I thought its a good time to ask. So please, someone enlighten me if theres something wrong.
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                        What in the fuck.
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                        What is there to defend exactly, someones biological state of being that is forever unchanging? Are gay people Bad for the exercise of being gay? Should they choose to stop being gay? Fucking ridiculous.
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                        I don't think I need to comment on how thought crimes are now a thing and the guy not seeing the irony of saying that on a pirate forum where literally everyone is a criminal for their actions.
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                     Where to begin. I think I'll work backwards, however borrowing context from the arguments. Piracy is a crime in which no one gets hurt. You see, the people that would pay for these games will, the rest don't value them highly enough to pay. By pirating you're not taking something from someone, in fact, the existence of this site makes it possible for our games to get out. Piracy makes me money.
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                     Now we get to where you insultingly compare non-hereto sexuality with pedophilia. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation. It's not a hormonal or pheromonal response. Pedophilia is an obsession with and sexualisation of children. Pedophiles are sick and need to be treated.
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                     Now, if you want to talk about ways to do that, that's another discussion entirely. However, as the law loves to crack down on even 2 dimensional depictions of child sex, you'll not be able to argue that this forum, which already operates on the fringe of legality, should poke that bear and try to flout the much stricter laws in this case. And that's one of the reasons not to host that content, with those who want to share far more deviant content finding places that are willing to host such content to be great for setting up gateways to their far darker content. And on the other side, hacktivist crusaders who'd gladly attack this site of we were seen to be soft on the issue.
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                     There's no room for it. Do I think that it should be disallowed in a fictional sense? No. But I can't change the fact that in most western countries it's very much illegal.
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                     - 18 is the legal age of "adulthood" in the USA. When you turn 18, you are legally an Adult. If you are 17 and younger, you are considered a child, juvenile, and underage.
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                     Now, "Age of Consent" varies from state to state and has no bearing on "adulthood". The age of consent is usually no lower than 16 with a partner who has no more than 4-5 years age difference. Now, minors between 13-15 are said to have consented to sex ONLY with those of the same age range. To clarify it, a person who is 13-15 years of age are only allowed to consent to sex with someone who is also in the 13-15 age range.. any higher or lower, that's illegal. The older person in that case will go to prison. For instance, a 16 year old has sex with a 14 year old.. the 16 year old will go to prison. If a 16 year old has sex with a 20 year old, it is legal.
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                     With the Romeo and Juliet case, the 20 year old started the sexual relationship before she turned 16. It doesn't even need to be penetration. All he had to do was touch her breasts or genitals before she turned 16 and he's toast. Even if she touched his genitals, he's busted.
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                        Now we get to where you insultingly compare non-hereto sexuality with pedophilia. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation. It's not a hormonal or pheromonal response. Pedophilia is an obsession with and sexualisation of children. Pedophiles are sick and need to be treated.
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                     The comparison is about that both are inherent biological features of an individual and claims of choices or fixing things applies to both. You seem to think it's a magical thing that is somehow separate from ones biology. I don't you can treat them, they'll be attracted to children their entire lives because that's their brain structure. I don't see the point of feeling hate towards something like that, what good does it do.
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                        However, as the law loves to crack down on even 2 dimensional depictions of child sex, you'll not be able to argue that this forum, which already operates on the fringe of legality, should poke that bear and try to flout the much stricter laws in this case. And that's one of the reasons not to host that content, with those who want to share far more deviant content finding places that are willing to host such content to be great for setting up gateways to their far darker content. And on the other side, hacktivist crusaders who'd gladly attack this site of we were seen to be soft on the issue.
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                        There's no room for it. Do I think that it should be disallowed in a fictional sense? No. But I can't change the fact that in most western countries it's very much illegal.
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                     I'd say its only "very much illegal" in only couple places like Canada and a bit gray in rest of the world which is why this site is still operating without "every person is 18+" at the bottom.
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                     Those are reasonable arguments undermined by the way the moderators talk about it. If they hate them you can assume that trumps everything else. You can see how nonsensical the discussion is at the start. Special someone is still talking about consent and cereal killers in the context of cartoon games.
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                        Now, "Age of Consent" varies from state to state and has no bearing on "adulthood". The age of consent is usually no lower than 16 with a partner who has no more than 4-5 years age difference. Now, minors between 13-15 are said to have consented to sex ONLY with those of the same age range. To clarify it, a person who is 13-15 years of age are only allowed to consent to sex with someone who is also in the 13-15 age range.. any higher or lower, that's illegal. The older person in that case will go to prison. For instance, a 16 year old has sex with a 14 year old.. the 16 year old will go to prison. If a 16 year old has sex with a 20 year old, it is legal.
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                     Alright I was really wondering, how would anyone be able to work against a natural sex drive for so long, that part at least makes it a bit less weird. But the definition seen on wikipedia really did not help me there.
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                     That stuff still sounds very weird to me, but at least the whole story isnt as bad as I thought.
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                     That would be awfully harsh, who would be able to tell the difference between someone being 17 and 18 years. That leads me to my initial concern, that there should be another barrier to not put everyone under 18 in the same spot. With less harsh penalty. An actual differentiation between child and teenager for example.
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                        The comparison is about that both are inherent biological features of an individual and claims of choices or fixing things applies to both. You seem to think it's a magical thing that is somehow separate from ones biology. I don't you can treat them, they'll be attracted to children their entire lives because that's their brain structure.
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                        The comparison is about that both are inherent biological features of an individual and claims of choices or fixing things applies to both. You seem to think it's a magical thing that is somehow separate from ones biology. I don't you can treat them, they'll be attracted to children their entire lives because that's their brain structure. I don't see the point of feeling hate towards something like that, what good does it do
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                     So, now, you're either intentionally ignoring facts that don't support your hypothesis, or you're simply too too stupid to process them. There is no biological function by which a human finds themselves sexually attracted to prepubescent humans. Their bodies are not producing the hormonal and pheromonal chemicals that induce feelings of attraction and lust in humans.
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                     As such, we can determine that their malfunction is purely psychological. It's not nature, it's nurture and it's absolutely, not only possible, but imperative, that we rehabilitate these people so that they function properly in society.
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                     Lastly, your infantile comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia opens the door quite readily to the opposite argument. If they are the same, them there is something inherently wrong with homosexuals and they should be purged from society as well. That is where consent comes in. A homosexual having sex with a consenting homosexual is not hurting anyone. A pedophile acting on their urges is hurting someone.
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                        I'd say its only "very much illegal" in only couple places like Canada and a bit gray in rest of the world which is why this site is still operating without "every person is 18+" at the bottom.
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                        Those are reasonable arguments undermined by the way the moderators talk about it. If they hate them you can assume that trumps everything else. You can see how nonsensical the discussion is at the start. Special someone is still talking about consent and cereal killers in the context of cartoon games.
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                     The staff on this site doesn't actually give a rat's ass what you fap to. Trust me, I'm in constant conversations with them on discord. The reason they're against it is western, namely, American, laws. But America's laws on the subject aren't alone. As you mentioned there's Canada, the UK, etc. Here's a list
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                     . Congratulations to you if you don't live in one of these countries. You personally don't have to worry. The site does. I point back to your willful ignorance of facts that don't support your hypothesis, and remind you of the other dangers I brought up to creating a safe space for pedophiles on any site. This isn't an argument where you have firm ground stand on.
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                     Now, you have a choice, either learn from this, take this knowledge to heart and be a better human for it, or continue to ignorantly rage against the machine. Either way I've said my piece, and if you can't process this information, I can't help you further. Goodbye and good luck.
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                        There is no biological function by which a human finds themselves sexually attracted to prepubescent humans. Their bodies are not producing the hormonal and pheromonal chemicals that induce feelings of attraction and lust in humans.
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                     So in your view a pedophile is a normal heterosexual guy who's one morning feeling a bit rapey towards children and after being caught is just in need of some reorientation so that he really gets that it's not socially acceptable thing to do so he can go and fuck adults instead having been cured.
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                        So in your view a pedophile is a normal heterosexual guy who's one morning feeling a bit rapey towards children and after being caught is just in need of some reorientation so that he really gets that it's not socially acceptable thing to do so he can go and fuck adults instead having been cured.
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                     No, the fact is, a pedophile is someone with a mental disorder. Whether they ever act on it is immaterial.They shouldn't have to die a virgin. They should seek help. We as a society should create programs to help them. But yes, pedophilia is a dangerous mental disorder and to deny that is again, as seems to be a pattern with you, disingenuous. It acts like an addiction. These people need it. Every time they're around children they're struggling with it. Eventually, there is the chance that they will act on their need. Do they all do so? No, but all it takes is one. One man can ruin a young girl or boy's life. One man can kill a girl or boy to hide his crime. One man can do this several times if he's careful. To treat the mental disorder of pedophilia as anything other than a danger to society is wrong.
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                     And again, I should make clear, pedophilia isn't something you're born with, like sexuality, its something you develop. There's something about your upbringing that created a sexual link between your brain and children. That is an important distinction. That is what needs to be treated. And there are arguments, that such games and media featuring children could be a part of that, especially while we work on finding other methodology. That said, I'd like to make clear, that even this would be something that would be a part of a monitored treatment and regular appointments with a therapist, possibly a requirement that you don't live alone.
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                        I should make clear, pedophilia isn't something you're born with, like sexuality, its something you develop. There's something about your upbringing that created a sexual link between your brain and children. That is an important distinction. That is what needs to be treated
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                     Really? You are still making this logical fallacy? A non-hetero person isn't suffering from a mental disorder. It's not all in their head. They respond to hormonal and pheromonal chemicals from their own sex. This isn't a deviation from healthy mental processes It's a chemical thing. And there's nothing wrong with it. We don't need every human to procreate. In fact, it's been theorized, though not proven, that homosexuality becomes more prevalent in times of crowding to reduce the population. There's nothing deviant about that.
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                        So in your view a pedophile is a normal heterosexual guy who's one morning feeling a bit rapey towards children and after being caught is just in need of some reorientation so that he really gets that it's not socially acceptable thing to do so he can go and fuck adults instead having been cured.
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                        I guess thats informative. Explains why people think the definition of pedo is a rapist on the prowl rather than someone passively existing with wiring in their brain being a bit mixed up possibly dying as a virgin. It can make discussion a bit cumbersome if someone believes the former while others believe the latter definition.
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                     You're obfuscating. You are your brain, but your brain responds to certain stimuli as far as sex goes. In a normal health and functioning brain, those stimuli are Hormones and Pheromones. In a sick brain, it's sexual objectification of children. You don't start producing the pheromones and hormones that stimulate sexual responses in others until you hit puberty.
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                        Pretty sure nearly every human in their life has had a thought or short term desire that would be a crime, be it beating someone up, stealing something, just plain old running over someone with a car, and so on.
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                     There can be a set law that takes into account puberty and mental maturity. In the nations where the AoC is lower they likely have less of a taboo on sex and therefore their children are more prepared for the decision. To be clear, my official stance on consent is outside the numbers set by the law and in the realm of psychological and mental maturity. You cannot consent unless you are 1 fully aware of what sex is, why we have it, and what we get out of it. 2, completely free to make the decision on your terms. And 3, having entered into puberty and gained the biological maturity needed to have sex.
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                     In no time or place will I ever condone the argument that a 9 year old, for instance, is capable of consent. Furthermore the second problem, about freedom to make the decision on your own, a girl who is dealing with an authoritiy figure is likely not in a position to make that decision on their own terms. If the guy in the situation is a much older male family friend or something, who she's grown up with and developed feeling for, sure. But if it's her dad's high school friend, or an in-law uncle or something, then she's dealing with an authority figure and the question of consent becomes wildly up to a case by case basis and scarily so. Same goes for a teacher or something.
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                     Now, I know that this is a very controversial stance, but I also know that I was perfectly capable of consent at 14. I also think that it's an unobtainable goal. The urge to "protect the children" is too high. So people shelter their children from sex. And what's more, when they engage in sexual activity that they think they're ready for, the adults in their lives freak the fuck out and begin a cycle of psychological conditioning that convinces the person that they didn't know what they were getting into, often as not, shaming the person into oblivion. This happens at later ages as well. How many sheltered college aged girls are convinced by their parents that they were raped?
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                        There can be a set law that takes into account puberty and mental maturity. In the nations where the AoC is lower they likely have less of a taboo on sex and therefore their children are more prepared for the decision. To be clear, my official stance on consent is outside the numbers set by the law and in the realm of psychological and mental maturity. You cannot consent unless you are 1 fully aware of what sex is, why we have it, and what we get out of it. 2, completely free to make the decision on your terms. And 3, having entered into puberty and gained the biological maturity needed to have sex.
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                     That paragraph I completly agree, especially the 3 step thing. And I know that countries are forced, or think they are forced to make laws to "somewhat try and do the best for the majority". Also agree on the taboo part, since most of Europe has a different mindset there. The 3 step thing would basically work near perfectly, if somehow laws were made with individuality in mind, which is less and less so with more people alive. Sadly.
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                        In no time or place will I ever condone the argument that a 9 year old, for instance, is capable of consent. Furthermore the second problem, about freedom to make the decision on your own, a girl who is dealing with an authoritiy figure is likely not in a position to make that decision on their own terms. If the guy in the situation is a much older male family friend or something, who she's grown up with and developed feeling for, sure. But if it's her dad's high school friend, or an in-law uncle or something, then she's dealing with an authority figure and the question of consent becomes wildly up to a case by case basis and scarily so. Same goes for a teacher or something.
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                     Thats the interesting part, in countries where the age of consent is considerably lower, as low as 14 (there is lower but I dont know enough about those), they have all those requirements set to not have an authority problem. For example, no teacher, no instructor, trainer figure, and so on. And they also have that aforementioned bit of individuality, as in, if the younger person somehow (because thats actually treated somewhat rare) is found to be not aware of what they do, or even dont know how sexuality works at all, then theres a problem. And of course no monetary or materialistic factor, of course to avoid prostitution.
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                        Furthermore the second problem, about freedom to make the decision on your own, a girl who is dealing with an authoritiy figure is likely not in a position to make that decision on their own terms.
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                     Here I would actually disagree, but thats a personal thing. I come to think humanity isnt capable of making decisions on a case by case basis, its bound to fail or be unfair, so I would say either allow it all or allow nothing. And in that case I would say nothing should be allowed. But thats just me.
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                        What do you mean? Ignoring the rants above, a mod recommended you go visit the chans. (0chan,2chan,4chan,6chan,8chan,10chan,12chan etc 2 by 2) They're more lax regarding the rules the higher up you go in numbers. Except 0... 0 don't give a fuck.
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                     Applying rule 7 is prone to inconsistencies due to the very subjective nature of it, which unfortunately is unavoidable. When a questionable game is brought up, the staff take a vote, and the majority of games get a pass, with a handful being denied. There is no 1 person who decides on rule 7 breaks. I even sometimes disagree with the decision, but c'est la vie.
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