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                     I got a diploma in Games Design (was doing bachelor but the certificate is useless so i dropped out to learn on my own) So i have basic skills in 3d modeling up to a little bit of coding which i have probably forgotten by now and would need to relearn.
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                     My basic question for anyone who might know or have an opinion is, as the title suggests
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                     Should I start making porn games, or stick with regular games?
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                     My long term ideal would be to just make regular games, but since I already know this forum and its community I feel starting here with a porn game would be better since I would actually have ground to stand upon instead of diving into the deep water that is non-porn indie games. plus I think that porn games that are new get better support, and I don't mean just money, i also mean things like feedback, critique etc. aka the valuable shit for a new dev to listen to.
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                     I don't really have any major passion for Porn games specifically (besides playing them that is) so if I were to make one the game itself wouldn't be majorly focused on that aspect, but it would have it, thinking like roundscape, where you have the main story and porn scenes here and there, but those scenes are the main focus of the game itself.
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                     My passion is for just making games in general, and since I am a High functioning autistic I have a nasty habit of needing to finish something (unless it is utter shit then i just go nope try again with someone better) So I wouldn't be one of those starts a porn game and never finishes it, even if I do by some massive change (like get married or some shit) stop watching porn, I would make sure to be loyal and finish the game.
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                     Either way I do want to eventually head into the normal gaming side of things at some point, maybe a year maybe 5 maybe 10 or maybe never, you never know what you might decide in the future.
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                     And since I have pretty much free time all the time, i would have plenty of time to learn and get better and make good shit.. eventually XD
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                     My initial plan would to just post on the forums here (porn game or not since this community is cool) progress shots etc. maybe make something in rpgmaker or renp'y but I prefer 3D games so maybe even unreal or unity, or still renp'y with my own models. if the non-porn route, i would most likely make a game in unreal or unity, since most of the non-porn ideas in my head are more 3rd person or first person type games. however i do have a few ideas that would work in renp'y as a visual novel.
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                     So yeah that is a basic summary. I have a passion for games, don't care too much where I start I non-porn or porn, I would like to make my way into non-porn but who knows i might enough it too much, if you know what i mean
                     <img alt=":p" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite673" data-shortname=":p" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" title="Stick out tongue    :p"/>
                     either way I want to make games, not too picky on the genre.
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                     So please vote and/or reply with your opinions/feedback and even ideas for me to steal
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                     this is mainly just to get a grasp, the winning poll won't mean that is what i go for, will still be what I think is best for me. and atm that is starting here on this forum. but if you know of any great non-porn forum or other porn-dev forums link away, I am ready for this rabbit-hole.
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                     Lastly you might be woundering why i make no mention of patreon, it isn't because I am against them or anything, just because I think it is too early to think about it, when I actually have something to offer I would set one up, but as a support me, with reward tiers the usual shit, but no locked content and pay to play shit. maybe the whole 1 week early thing, but i dunno not gonna give it too much thought yet as money isn't the motive for me, making games is. and i wanna try and keep it that way in my mind.
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                        Steam is over-saturated with games of all genres so it's a difficult way to make money in general, the average indie games selling 21k copies at 5-10€ price point, and patreon made it more difficult to make money from porn games in recent years.
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                     true, I was always thinking that i could do what Mike Inel does, and have two seperate identities one for non porn one for porn. however like them I would let the porn peeps know i have a non porn, and vis versa but not advertise on the non-porn that i also make porn ones. the way around patreon bullshit is to just have a page that supports you as a creator and release the game on a blog or something.3
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                        why don't you make  normal game but with adult scenes
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                     that is a porn game technically :| like i would class roundscape as that kind of game, as it has the game itself and then adult scenes aswell, sometimes in the story itself.
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                     hence why i focus on making my passion the act of making something, and not what I am making. e.g. a coder sometimes just loves to code they don't always care too much about what they are coding. I want to try and be like that. obviously there will always be things that i love to make more than others, but it would be counterproductive to only ever stick to what i already like and not experiment and find out something else i might like.
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                     Basically my goal is to love the grind not getting a finished product, as a lot of the time there is no finished product as idea or wip get scrapped for so many different reason, which reminds me of one of the most important rules i was taught "don't be afraid to kill your babies" now obviously this is not literal, basically it means don't be afraid to throw away ideas or work in progress things if they just won't work, fit with the current game, or is just bad. e.g if the gameplay is shit doesn't matter how good the story is the game will be shit.
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                     In my opinion watch dogs two is a good example of how not to continue the franchise, it would have been more successful if they simply ditched the 2 and called it watch dogs chicago or whatever city it takes place in, or some other name in big letters with watchdogs in smaller letter, like how infinity ward did with ModernWarfare 2 which caused people to call it MW2 instead of cod6 (which really pissed off activision btw, so they basically caused everyone in infinity ward to leave. a similar thing happened to bungie with the difference being bungie did it to themselves) best example of how not to do a game is Destiny, an okay shitty example of how to make your shitty game meh, is destiny's dlc, a good example of how to kill off all that earned back potential is destiny 2... okay thats enough shade thrown at Microtransaction game 2.
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                     I feel like it's something that's missing and sometimes only one part of it is great (ie: Harem CG aren't great but game is) or somewhat lackluster (ie: Roundscape adorevia CG are OK but artist changing from scene to scene wasn't a good idea IMO).
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                     The problem is that it ,IMO, limits you to : RPG,SIM and date-sim,VN,Story heavy F/TPS and STR. Possibly other but I lack imagination as you can see.
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                     You do what you want, but I'll tell you this - that isn't how passion works. You've got little control over what you get truly passionate about. You can hype up a job and try and convince yourself you're into it, but that isn't passion - that's delusion. I've been an artist and coder for over 30 years now. But up until recently I've only ever done them as hobbies because I never used to have any passion projects. I love doing all those things, at one point or another I've done all of them 60+ hours a week because of how much fun I was having with them, but they have all also experienced long dry spells of weeks or months where I haven't touched them because my interest just wasn't there at the time.
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                     That all changed recently though. The past few years I've been coming up with random game ideas, playing tons of games, and finally I found an existing game that I was really loving but it lacked a lot of features and content and story line directions that I really want to see, to the point of mild obsession and it inspired me to create a new game. I spend most of my waking hours thinking about it. I put 60-80 hours a week into a combination of design doc development, writing story, designing models, creating mechanics prototypes, brainstorming ideas, and following tutorials on areas of my engine of choice I'm not up to speed with yet. I find myself having a hard time getting to sleep from all the thoughts about that project crowding my brain, then I wake up from dreams that often prominently feature things I was thinking about for the game such as characters and locations. That is what I mean when I say passion; it isn't something you can artificially manufacture - it's something you find that sparks a wild fire of creativity in you that you can't put out.
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                     I understand what you are saying, and I think I wasn't very clear what i meant, I agree that it is very true that you can't control what your passions are, e.g. drawing, climbing, etc. however you can direct them and focus your mind, like you might love drawing but have a job where you draw things you don't hate but you don't really love either, you can either focus on the fact you don't care for what you are drawing or focus on the fact you are drawing and doing something different might spark some knew ideas or improve your ability. hopefully that made sense, but yeah I am not talking about creating passion where there is none, more directing my passion so i actually do something with it.
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                     Working with my mind not against it. and as others have already suggested it would more be a main game with a story i like and then porn scenes being in it, maybe lite maybe heavy but it won't be the driving force of the game. although i might do one that is just porn porn for fun at one point if I do take this anywhere. still gotta either get enough money to buy maya lt or learn blender (the joys of learning at a uni, you get taught the industry standard that are the paid products.
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                     You can basically rely on one of two things to get stuff done if you care about quality. I already spoke of passion, something that can be essential to get a project done when you are going to be up against a lot of troubles that would turn aside those who lack it. Passion is a great motivator to push through adversity, but it isn't the only option. The other is a strong work ethic, this one is easier to pull off if you specialize. If you get so good at something that you barely have to think about doing it, then you just have to have the perseverance and conviction to see it through. It requires a lot of time building up practical experience and mental stamina for a given task. It isn't easy to obtain, but anyone can eventually get there if they just stick with something long enough for it to become ingrained. This is the sort of thing that most have to work at for upwards of a decade or more to achieve for each thing they want to get good at, so it is a lot less reliable for those who want to do a bit of everything related to something like game design. It's why teams are so common, even among indies.
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                     Don't get me wrong though, do what you like, I'm just telling you this as someone who spent decades letting myself flap about in the winds of my changing interests and have achieved very little because of it. I know all too well the path you are trying to set yourself upon and it isn't for the faint of heart. Since I've jumped around so much, I've never put in the consecutive time to really excel at any of the many things I am pretty darn good at. I'd work on something until I scratched my itch then move onto the next thing that interested me most, even if it was in a completely unrelated field to the last.
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                     I have a few stories that could be games in my head, one i think about a lot at the moment would be better as a tv show, but I am more thinking about just making games in general, haven't really chosen a story yet so yeah. However I wouldn't add it into a game where it doesn't fit.
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                     I will say that, probably, the biggest difference between a successful indie SFW game and a successful indie porn game is the graphics.
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                        I will say that, probably, the biggest difference between a successful indie SFW game and a successful indie porn game is the graphics.
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                     Well I can't really go work for a company because most want years of experience, and on top of that most companies of size left Australia by 2016, we only have mobile game devs and indie left. however it is very true the characters need to be appealing, but interesting characters is also a must, as unlike porn videos story and character development is very important to people who play porn games (it is part of the reason a lot of people move from video porn to porn games, at least i did anyway, by no means do they completely stop but all the time goes into the porn games, porn vids are just for a quick wank)
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