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                       Game Concept &amp; Premise:
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                      On the surface, you are running a research facility where you pay volunteers to take part in long-term studies. In reality, you are using the facility to slowly brainwash your volunteers into submission.
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                      You will be responsible for planning the schedule of tasks and corresponding meals for the volunteers should they perform the task. These tasks will all have an effect on your volunteers, slowly pushing them into submission, however, they will reject tasks outside their comfort zones.
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                         I'm hoping it's a twist on the genre where instead of directly manipulating your subjects, you have to indirectly lead them into submission.
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                      Updated
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                     : 20/Aug/2018
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                      Developer/Publisher
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                      kivik
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                      Censorship
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                     : None
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                      Version
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                     : Beta 0.3.6.0
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                      OS
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                     : WIN - MAC - Linux
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                      Language
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                     : English
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                      Genre
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                         3dcg, corruption, lesbian, masturbation, slave, teasing, vaginal sex, management, mind control, trainer
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                      Installation
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                         1- Extract to desired location.
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                         2- Click on "DueProcess.exe" to start playing.
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                          Beta 0.3.6.0
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                             Change log:
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                             Content:
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                             - Added Karen loyalty test content
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                             - Includes 4 scenarios that you can put Karen through, though one requires unlocking
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                             - I'm not 100% certain how well it flows, and adjustments will be made in the future
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                             - I hadn't finished the follow up content with Catherine, which I will be adding this week - Added save file so you can start (almost) immediately at the new content (should take 7 in game days to begin).
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                             Note: game hint is enabled by default.
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                             - Changed wording for when you run out of topics of conversations with NPCs (from them having nothing to say to you, to you running out of things to talk to them about)
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                             - Changed hunger growth for all characters (now characters can stay at 0 hunger for a bit longer)
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                             Bug Fixes:
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                             - Fixed slave Karen's name coming up as Catherine when she goes home
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                             - Removed version checking on game load to prevent unsolved bugs
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                             - Fixed hints not showing up in last version Under the Hood:
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                             - Enhanced room mechanics so player can temporarily be moved to another room and show characters in that room during scenes (rather than player movement)
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                             - Enhanced some image functions to take more adhoc inputs
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                             - Enhanced Events mechanics to take new schedule after creation Known Issues:
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                             - Hypnosis has become too powerful at least for Anna. Will further play test and tweak this week
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                          Beta 0.3.2.3
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                             - rewrote some existing scenes
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                             - introducing new subject Anna
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                             - some new branching and new consequences from existing branches
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                             - play dress up with your slaves
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                             - have sex with your slaves
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                             - note: this can be locked out based on your choices in the game
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                             - new tasks for subjects
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                             - subject will choose their own makeup if you task them with specific outfit; subjects will choose their outfit if you task them with specific makeup
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                             - note: their choices will be based on their current stats
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                             - keywords mechanics
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                             - note: very limited used currently
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                             - replaced all portraits and task images with layered images, significantly reducing file size
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                             - note: due to a small Ren'py bug, standing portrait images still uses old composite image until next patch, but has no impact on game
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                             - keyword descriptions can now have different stages
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                             - geeky note: keyword descriptions will store the indices and use a lookup table to spell out the text. This means all the lookup text can be changed in the future without original text left in save files.
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                             - streamlined conversation code and UX
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                             - both the HUD and the conversation screens preemptively checks whether there are available dialogues before enabling option
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                             - this means if no normal conversation is available but unlocked dialogues are available, you can click on chat
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                             - this also means after opening up chat screen, it will only display NPCs with available dialogues (including unlocked ones) will be listed as options, preventing possible scenario of going through each NPC to see who has available dialogue - which was what the original code would have done
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                             - player can exit chat by choosing cancel
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                             - tasks can contain specific outfit or available outfits
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                             - if subject is wearing something different, either the specific outfit or first available outfit is chosen
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                             - meals now carry a cost internally // need to add mechanics to take cost from facility
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                             - initial code for finance management
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                             - dinamic character portrait placement in rooms
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                             - dynamic event trigger schedule
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                             - since Karen's training has no end date, Anna's 30 day schedule is generated by code instead of hard coded like all previous triggers
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                             - fixed bug where conversations will end immediately after each topic, now will only end when you cancel or you've exhausted conversation topics with them
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                             - various bug fixes from 0.3.0 to 0.3.1
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                          Beta 0.2.2
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                             - grammar fixes
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                             - fixed image errors in ending 4
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                             - fixed incorrect images being used for Karen for simple dress
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                             - should have fixed potential error for when Karen in skimpy black dress in certain states
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                             - fixed background not blurring when subject rejects a task
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                             - fixed Stats History Screen in the lab showing invisible stats (e.g. Catherine's contentment)
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                             - tweaked
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                             - continuation from
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                             with second subject to the game
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                             - added leisure activity mechanics:
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                             - when subjects aren't tasked to do anything (in the evening hours), or if they reject a task, they'll randomly decide whether to do something else or not (currently only masturbation, but more actions in the future)
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                             - added desperate conditions to subjects when deciding whether they'd perform a task. e.g. hunger &gt; 80%
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                             - optional hints to when new dialogue options are available
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                             - changed studying to take 3 hours
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                             - attributes gained from studying is still not in use yet
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                             - added stats history tracking, accessible in the lab
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                             - I know it's annoying to put it there since you get locked out when Karen's not around, but it's not an essential tool, and it becomes fully accessible later in the game
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                             UI/UX changes
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                             - added two preference options (accessible via Game Menu):
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                             - give hints - provide in-game hints at specific moments, such as new dialogue options
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                             - OFF by default
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                             - [F] key skips dialogues - allows the F key to both Fast Forward an hour AND skip dialogue, allowing quicker way to skip dialogues
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                             - ON by default
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                             - tweaked HUD
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                             - added game menu button
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                             - added location label
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                             - combined date, time, location to top right corner
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                             - moved HUD buttons to the right underneath the date time
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                             - keyboard shortcuts changed
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                             - avoiding keys like "H" for default key to hide screen elements
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                             - and generally making them easier on the fingers for repetitive buttons, e.g. )
                             <br/>
                             - tweaked general UI
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                             - removed confirmation dialogue after setting schedule
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                             - subject &amp; player stats screen remembers opened / closed state
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                             - changed "advance time" to "fast forward an hour"
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                             - shortkey changed to F, full screen can be accessed by Alt + Enter or F11
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                             - stats display:
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                             - only subject stats' percentage is now coloured for easier reading of stats itself
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                             - stats bar now coloured based on progress
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                             - added glass overlay to living quarters to further suggest isolation from subject
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                             - Subject will automatically change to sports outfit when exercising
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                             Under the hood
                             <br/>
                             - rewrote how character attributes are handled, this means each character can now have completely different attributes, leading to more dynamic gameplay in the future
                             <br/>
                             - rewrote how character image are fetched, easier image management for NPCs in different modes: NPC, Subject (during isolation), Slave and maybe more in the future
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                             - rewrote how tasks and meals are stored, instead of meal inside a task (which could cause problems in future with multiple subjects), they're stored as a dict against a character's timeslot, prevent instance reused error (two NPCs with same task but different meals)
                             <br/>
                             - added part 1 of a new keywords mechanics to the game, during the game player has the possibility to gain keywords
                             <br/>
                             - part 2, not implemented will be to accessing and using these keywords (due for next major release)
                             <br/>
                             - added feedback attributes to why a subject is performing a task / activity - only used with masturbation where you can tell whether subject is doing it themselves or part of a task
                             <br/>
                             - tweaked task rejection feedback code to allow flexible number of feedback options (instead of a static 3)
                             <br/>
                             - skeletons for character descriptions
                             <br/>
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                             Bug Fixes
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                             - Karen no longer incorrectly report Catherine's hunger as spiking even when she's fine
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                             - Karen's dialogue when arriving and leaving work now shows her as speaker
                             <br/>
                             - cancelling study no longer advances time
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                             - subjects image no longer switch between task and standing portrait (thought I just overlooked it but my code was supposed to prevent the switch, but a bug meant it never prevented it)
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                             - general bug fixes
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                          Beta 1.2
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                             - more grammar and spelling
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                             - Catherine will keep her basicwear on when exercising, instead of flicking between dress and basicwear
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                             - stats values are now colour coded to further indicate progress
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                             - unfortunately it's not possible to change the bar's colour itself
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                             - subtle image and text change to happy ending based on player's genital
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                             - days end at 8pm to reduce tediously forwarding time - this will be extended back to midnight when more content is available
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                             - grammar / spelling fixes
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                             - corrected terms for "trans male" and "trans female"
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                             - added non-binary gender
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                             - changed player questions order: gender &gt; name &gt; (if not m/f: pronoun &gt; genital)
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                             - tweaked tutorial slightly to emphasis hunger level danger
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                             - added hunger alert: Karen will comment on Catherine's hunger stats at 5pm when she's around, if Catherine's hungrier than the last time she saw her
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                             - added stats percentage
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                             - added further feedback messages when a task is rejected
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                     should change that as you can choose Male, Female, TG Male and TG Female with the choice of genitals on the TG.  As I said in my previous post beyond your name (which you can choose), there is a minor difference in 1 piece of artwork that is easy to miss if you're not looking for it.
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                     Basic idea is very nice.  At the moment it feels grindy but I guess this will improve when new tasks / things to do are  added.
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                     The model look good, backgrounds are static.
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                     The study options are useless for now, I would disable the office completely until they are needed or you have tasks to do there.  I would also suggest addinc the need to study to be able to interpret the notes and study coding later to be able to alter the parameters of the hypnosis.
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                         What puts me off in the game is the invisible penis.  you see the girl spreadeagled and her vagina with a nice cock-sized hole....but no dick.  This unfortunately does not work for me.
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                        Got to admit I was sceptical about the 50Mb d/l but there was a lot in there for that.  My gripe is that the images are made up of backgrounds and overlays, rather than complete pictures.  Eg The girl exercising.
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                        Instead of having a picture of her in the isolation habitat exercising, it is a picture of her exercising sat over the top of the habitat background which is the same BG for all of her scenes in the experiment.
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                     Thanks for the impressions.  I haven't tried this yet, but this has actually gotten me more interested in the game.  I like the Combin Ation style of presentation where it's just the characters overlaid on the generic background.
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                        Re: the version numbering - sorry that's my bad, I thought Alpha means completely broken, Beta means it's stable but not a completed game. And I thought I could start with 1.0 with alpha and beta, but realised otherwise. So my next release will be 0.2.x
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                     Oh, you're right about alpha and beta, at least in the world at large. (More specifically, alpha means "not feature-complete" while beta means "all the pieces are there but they might not be quite right." But they're pretty fuzzy terms and it's not uncommon to see beta used as "it's release-quality but we're saving the 1.0 label for our IPO" or whatever.)
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                        Oh, you're right about alpha and beta, at least in the world at large. (More specifically, alpha means "not feature-complete" while beta means "all the pieces are there but they might not be quite right." But they're pretty fuzzy terms and it's not uncommon to see beta used as "it's release-quality but we're saving the 1.0 label for our IPO" or whatever.)
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                     Sounds like I need to go down to alpha in that case since I'm still build features. I was a bit funny about all the alpha version games out there that are really bare bone (including my past attempts) so spent longer on this to get it to what I thought would qualify as beta.
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                        Sounds like I need to go down to alpha in that case since I'm still build features. I was a bit funny about all the alpha version games out there that are really bare bone (including my past attempts) so spent longer on this to get it to what I thought would qualify as beta.
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                      You'll have noticed I've changed the versioning from a 1.x to 0.2.x numbering, because I was a dumbass not realising that 1.x implies the game is finished! It's actually the later version of the game despite the lower numeral. Rest assure if / when the game reaches 1.x, I'll be ditching the "beta" prefix
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                      This release follows on from the Happy Ending from Beta 1.2, I shan't say more for those who haven't played the game at all.
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                      If you enjoy the game, and are able to, I'd really welcome your patreon support. You can see the rewards on the side bar
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                      I'm aiming for monthly iterative releases, my current emphasis is on mechanics but I'm still trying to balance it out with new content per release. Patron releases come as soon as possible after each month's payments, and public releases in the middle of the month.
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                           - grammar fixes
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                           - fixed image errors in ending 4
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                           - fixed incorrect images being used for Karen for simple dress
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                          - should have fixed potential error for when Karen in skimpy black dress in certain states
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                           - fixed background not blurring when subject rejects a task
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                           - fixed Stats History Screen in the lab showing invisible stats (e.g. Catherine's contentment)
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                           Beta 0.2.0
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                           - tweaked
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                           with second subject to the game
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                           - added leisure activity mechanics:
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                          - when subjects aren't tasked to do anything (in the evening hours), or if they reject a task, they'll randomly decide whether to do something else or not (currently only masturbation, but more actions in the future)
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                           - added desperate conditions to subjects when deciding whether they'd perform a task. e.g. hunger &gt; 80%
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                          - I know it's annoying to put it there since you get locked out when Karen's not around, but it's not an essential tool, and it becomes fully accessible later in the game
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                          - give hints - provide in-game hints at specific moments, such as new dialogue options
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                          - OFF by default
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                          - [F] key skips dialogues - allows the F key to both Fast Forward an hour AND skip dialogue, allowing quicker way to skip dialogues
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                          - keyboard shortcuts changed
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                          - and generally making them easier on the fingers for repetitive buttons, e.g. )
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                           - removed confirmation dialogue after setting schedule
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                          - only subject stats' percentage is now coloured for easier reading of stats itself
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                           - rewrote how character attributes are handled, this means each character can now have completely different attributes, leading to more dynamic gameplay in the future
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                           - rewrote how character image are fetched, easier image management for NPCs in different modes: NPC, Subject (during isolation), Slave and maybe more in the future
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                           - rewrote how tasks and meals are stored, instead of meal inside a task (which could cause problems in future with multiple subjects), they're stored as a dict against a character's timeslot, prevent instance reused error (two NPCs with same task but different meals)
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                           - added part 1 of a new keywords mechanics to the game, during the game player has the possibility to gain keywords
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                          - part 2, not implemented will be to accessing and using these keywords (due for next major release)
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                           - added feedback attributes to why a subject is performing a task / activity - only used with masturbation where you can tell whether subject is doing it themselves or part of a task
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                           - tweaked task rejection feedback code to allow flexible number of feedback options (instead of a static 3)
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                           - skeletons for character descriptions
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                           - cancelling study no longer advances time
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                           - subjects image no longer switch between task and standing portrait (thought I just overlooked it but my code was supposed to prevent the switch, but a bug meant it never prevented it)
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                        going to rey this game for a test drive and will provide feedback later ...
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                        Damn! Gotta hate these huge downloads...it confuses hell out of me when the download starts and stops almost straight away.
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                     Thank you! I've actually been working on cutting down the portrait file sizes by compositing the images for 0.3.x. It means 0.3.x is currently smaller than 0.2.2, despite having a new character in it! Although it'll likely even out once all the new content's up
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                     Thanks! The plan is that you're have more things to focus on in the future, not just subjects but slaves, facility management, research, and one day you may even leave the facility
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                     First thing I've noticed. I believe the game would benefit from a task setting 'None'. Catherine will refuse certain tasks when she's hungry, however if I just want to feed her, that shouldn't be an issue. Some days, filling her stomach should be a priority, especially if you've used Hunger to break her down in the past. My personal thoughts there, as my first run-through I used it as a hammer to attempt to break her resistance down faster. Probably not the best idea, but it was my first attempt and I noticed it.
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                        (Love the concept. And because I care about the concept, I'll try to be detailed and/or critical on evaluating the execution.
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                     Thank you! I definitely welcome critic feedback, it's the only way to know if the game's going in the wrong direction or I'm missing some glaring issues! That said, I may justify certain things as well, so I'll answer them below
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                     I'll definitely consider it, however I'll be adding more tasks in future releases to mitigate the hunger issue. I'd like to stay away from offering free meals if possible, as it was the fundamental struggle from the subject's point of view. If they know they'd get a free meal when they get too hungry, the incentive to do any tasks at all may not make sense.
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                     The struggle for me had been to come up with activity ideas, which I've finally got some down this month, and will hopefully be implementing in 0.3.x!
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                        The surprise turn-around was lovely. I'm a big fan of karma. Still, the way I played it, my guy's not exactly in a position to be... well, morally high-standing.
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                     Glad you liked it! Funny you touched on the concept of moral standard - I was just thinking whether I really want to implement a morality meter or not. At the moment I'm thinking not as it typically takes away player choices, if I do, I'd have to have a really cool idea that not only justifies it but relies on the morality concept.
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                        Also, as for the special second subject... I'm not sure what the parameters are for solo masturbation, but she's at zero modesty and resistance, and even her special stat, and when her arousal starts to get up, she takes care of masturbation herself... she's never agreed to do it for me. That's kind of frustrating, and not sure if intentional or not.
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                     Ah yes, you got stuck in the masturbation loop that I noticed when I tinkered with the settings! It can be avoided once (I think) you're more aware of her progression, but it's easier for me to say being as I know all the variables! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the feedback there to see if it needs adjusting though.
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                        Otherwise, this is still quite interesting. I... would be even less forgiving than the main character, especially as I don't buy for a second the kind of twisted logic that was presented as the real reason... at all.
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                     I really appreciate this feedback actually - I don't think my writing is good enough to really push forward enough the character motivations - but I fully intend on going back to rewriting scenes to make it flow better. The fundamental idea presented is true - but how we arrive there from a narrative perspective can definitely be improved upon!
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                        Oh! More things to talk to Karen about for the first subject. I almost completely ignored her after my first conversation because she didn't look like she had anything interesting to say, and almost totally missed the additional clothing options. Something to make it more evident that some things can only be unlocked by talking to her might be cool! And that's it for now, I'll be keeping an eye on this!)
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                     Absolutely, I'm currently working on a bit more content in that respect. Admittedly since the format is "each subject is a chapter", and my current focus on mechanics, there just isn't a whole lot for the player to do / interact with whilst a subject is being trained. Whilst I know in the long run - as you gain slaves, you'll have more things to do / manage, I do need to flesh out more stuff in the mean time!
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                        Thank you! I definitely welcome critic feedback, it's the only way to know if the game's going in the wrong direction or I'm missing some glaring issues! That said, I may justify certain things as well, so I'll answer them below
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                        Glad you liked it! Funny you touched on the concept of moral standard - I was just thinking whether I really want to implement a morality meter or not. At the moment I'm thinking not as it typically takes away player choices, if I do, I'd have to have a really cool idea that not only justifies it but relies on the morality concept.
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                        Ah yes, you got stuck in the masturbation loop that I noticed when I tinkered with the settings! It can be avoided once (I think) you're more aware of her progression, but it's easier for me to say being as I know all the variables! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the feedback there to see if it needs adjusting though.
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                        I really appreciate this feedback actually - I don't think my writing is good enough to really push forward enough the character motivations - but I fully intend on going back to rewriting scenes to make it flow better. The fundamental idea presented is true - but how we arrive there from a narrative perspective can definitely be improved upon!
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                        Absolutely, I'm currently working on a bit more content in that respect. Admittedly since the format is "each subject is a chapter", and my current focus on mechanics, there just isn't a whole lot for the player to do / interact with whilst a subject is being trained. Whilst I know in the long run - as you gain slaves, you'll have more things to do / manage, I do need to flesh out more stuff in the mean time!
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                     (Thank you for your thorough reply! I'm glad I was able to bring up multiple points of interest and/or worth. And I understand your reasoning, and am glad you've got more tasks to bring to bat! More variety/option is always lovely, and some of them could very well solve the issue as I saw it. And agreed really, I can understand them, however there's also something to be said for allowing one to decide whether their character is ultimately moral or not. For example, my character is not moral, and I'd probably play him even fundamentally cruel and domineering if possible. Whether that's 'good' or 'evil' though is probably best understood from an individual perspective... I'll say this though, I'll probably replay with Catherine's 'other' option besides enslavement, just to see how that option, more moral in my mind, goes. Perhaps not immediately, but I'm certainly curious to it.
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                     And to the masturbation loop, indeed. I definitely felt like it was a problem when with no modesty or resistance she still wasn't doing it, however that is my opinion. And thank you, I'm glad you value that feedback! And I think, considering your reply, that it's probably important to go in deeper to the nature of my aggravation and my reasoning for not believing her, even if that was in fact the case. Nobody who hasn't played the game and knows what I'm talking about read the spoiler section please.
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                         The reason I find her given reason of feeling alone and that that was the only option available to her is three-fold. Also, I apologize if some of these sound harsh, I am perhaps at my most critical when it comes to character personalities and motivations, for good or ill, and I'm hoping that this will help with designing the character and her motivations to more be what you want her to be. So again, I apologize for any harshness on the way, I will be tearing the character apart from what I've seen, I do not mean that tearing to be towards you.
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                         One, is it's just totally messed up. She went with 'my biological clock is ticking, guess the only thing I can actually do is turn my best friend and a friend of the family into sex slaves'. … Seriously? How the heck does that become a person's first choice? If we're going to believe that she went to that extreme, there needs to be reason. A very clear example of perpetual attempts, and failure, that then led to that situation, or, evidence of her in fact being brainwashed or mentally abused in early childhood that brought her to that point of view. It's way, way too extreme a shift for anything close to 'sane' for that solution. Far more logical is 'she wanted to dominate and control people she found attractive and thought she could get away with it' which is why I continued to believe that for the character and gave pretty much no credence to her professed reasoning. And two kind of ties into the 'evidence' part.
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                         Two, she was a friend of Catherine's family, AND enough of a friend with our MC that they were willing to do what she wanted in this morally questionable grey-area situation. Yes she was a bit blunt and cold with Catherine, she was a bit blunt and cold with us, but it was clarified that Catherine wasn't just somebody she didn't know, she was a friend of the family, AND someone that cared for Karen, at least to a degree. So where is that 'loneliness'? Self-inflicted if it exists because she does actually have friends and people willing to put their necks out for her, hence the betrayal and backstab. In addition, she is cold, off-putting, and lies, about everything, to both of them. The behavior of bringing in two people who trust you and trying to turn them into sex slaves after convincing them to take part in your experiment, at least one of whom knows it's morally questionable, is not a lonely heart seeking attention. That's a psychopath or sociopath, a person who can take and use others like that, and pile on lie after lie after lie in their attempts to right the situation to their favor. Now not completely, a full on psychopath wouldn't have made most of the mistakes she did that allowed us to turn the tables, and would have been far more socially apt as they have no guilt reflex to result in the stand-offish personality. But simply put, she strikes me as a dangerous sexual predator... not a lonely heart.
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                         And third ties in with two, and one really, and perhaps more than the others forms the basis of my doubt in her stated reasoning, and how much easier it is to believe she was just a sick and perverted psycho who wanted to turn people she knew into sex slaves. Namely, that she was lying pretty much the entire time. Again, and again, and again, and again, constantly. And even begging, near the end, to turn people into an army of sex slaves for us in the bargaining phase of her captivity, very much willing to throw people under the bus until, most likely, she could stab us in the back and get back to her original plan. She was always lying to us, portraying herself in a more sympathetic light, and weaving stories of the situation, that just weren't true. Why would we have any reason to believe, at all, that that last one was the truth? Everything we knew about her, every idea that we even meant anything to her beyond a lab-tech and a possible sex toy, was thrown out the window with her plan, and went further on the more lies she told in the meantime. It's pretty much impossible to believe anything she says by the end, I would even plan on watching her while enslaved.
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                         And that's more or less it really. The picture painted by her actions and the situation doesn't scream 'lonely' or 'seeking company' to me. Certainly not 'only option', as we don't even see her having made movements towards other options. To even consider that an option is a big deal, to then decide to use it on your friend and someone you've probably had a secret crush on who you KNOW? … It's frankly sickening. Which is why it's easier for me to believe and consider that she's non-empathic or lacks proper human empathy, or sees other people more as tools, or is just indulging in her massive dominant fantasies and secret desires and saying screw these people I'll take them both.
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                         So... that's my big problem with her and why I don't, even as you say it's her actual reason, believe the reason she gave. I do however accept that there may be backstory I don't know that screwed her up to the point where her brain thinks like that, or she was literally already brainwashed into that state of mind, however I definitely wouldn't believe that when she said it. And okey-dokey, I'm done!
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                         I definitely need to work on the dialogues some more. What you said is absolutely valid and it's really looking at her from a different angle.
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                         I want to clarify with a disclaimer that in no way do I condone nor would justify anything Karen's done up to this point. However, I think the fundamental difference between what you're say and what I'm trying to get across - is Karen's view of what's going on.
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                         I definitely haven't psychoanalysed her the way you have time (amazing job btw!), but there's no question that she's absolutely twisted. From her point of view, she's trying to resolve her issue with loneliness, but she doesn't see that she was the problem in the first place.
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                         I'm anxious to say this on the internet, but she shares qualities of /r/niceguys or /r/nicegirls - people who have a tendency to blame everyone else but unable to see themselves through other's eyes. She's absolutely put herself in the lonely situation to start with - and the only solution that she sees is her experiment - because she couldn't see any other way.
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                         And just as I try to talk people out of being /r/niceguys or /r/nicegirls - I guess I'm trying to pull Karen out of it. I've definitely felt the despair in my youth - and I think had I met different friends, I could have turned out rather resentful of the world instead of taking a good look at myself - and perhaps I instinctively became a bit more empathetic towards her.
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                         However all that said - I don't think what I've written really reflects that - and granted the more I talk about her to more concrete she's becoming in my head. So your insight is absolutely invaluable, I need to reread what I've written and make sure I plant more seeds!
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                        Oh wow! Thanks for that insightful analysis and feedback! There be spoilers for stray readers
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                            I definitely need to work on the dialogues some more. What you said is absolutely valid and it's really looking at her from a different angle.
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                            I want to clarify with a disclaimer that in no way do I condone nor would justify anything Karen's done up to this point. However, I think the fundamental difference between what you're say and what I'm trying to get across - is Karen's view of what's going on.
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                            I definitely haven't psychoanalysed her the way you have time (amazing job btw!), but there's no question that she's absolutely twisted. From her point of view, she's trying to resolve her issue with loneliness, but she doesn't see that she was the problem in the first place.
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                            I'm anxious to say this on the internet, but she shares qualities of /r/niceguys or /r/nicegirls - people who have a tendency to blame everyone else but unable to see themselves through other's eyes. She's absolutely put herself in the lonely situation to start with - and the only solution that she sees is her experiment - because she couldn't see any other way.
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                            And just as I try to talk people out of being /r/niceguys or /r/nicegirls - I guess I'm trying to pull Karen out of it. I've definitely felt the despair in my youth - and I think had I met different friends, I could have turned out rather resentful of the world instead of taking a good look at myself - and perhaps I instinctively became a bit more empathetic towards her.
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                            However all that said - I don't think what I've written really reflects that - and granted the more I talk about her to more concrete she's becoming in my head. So your insight is absolutely invaluable, I need to reread what I've written and make sure I plant more seeds!
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                     (Ah, very glad that you were able to find some use in my perceptions and analysis! And thank you kindly, I do try to be thorough... the wordiness part just kind of comes naturally. Oh! And spoilering again.)
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                         (I think ultimately, we're more or less coming to the same conclusion. More information that hints at, or even outright shows, Karen's side of thinking, would allow us to... well, forgive or not is individual to the player I imagine. But understand that her warped view of events was reality to her, and believe her when she finally reveals the truth... Let us understand that as crazy as it is, that's really what she thinks, for
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                         worse... definitely, definitely worse. Heck... it might even lead to attempting to 'correct' her thoughts or reprogram her further. It really is a matter of evidence, showing through one way or another that she really did feel actual 'despair' at her social prospects, and felt trapped and without alternatives. Still completely crazy, and still up to the player to decide how they ultimately feel about her, however... showing that she did believe it. Even if pretty much everything else she said was a lie... Not going to lie, that'll probably be a bit hard, but doable... especially if the MC can hack private records or the like at some point, get her journal, and see what she writes when no one's looking.
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                         Oh, and to be clear, I also do not condone anything that I had my MC do. Namely, say 'hey, instead of her sex slave, let's make Catherine be my sex slave!'. Or, perform morally unethical research with the hypnosis device in the first place, for that matter... No condoning, if my MC was a person, I'd want him dead, because he's basically gearing up for an army of sex slaves... but that's my fantasy, so that's what I'm doing with him! … Fetishes are interesting like that.
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                         And also, I've been in a position quite similar to that as well. I know how crazy and delusional we can get when we're too stuck inside our own thoughts... heck, maybe that's part of why I'm harder on characterizations, or harder on characters in general for illogical action and thinking. Once upon a time, I was outright delusional, and it had a fairly hefty quality of life cost... Well, I got lucky, and got help. And considering how fate turns, Karen probably will to, only nowhere near in the way she would have expected. Though, I believe in most every game, player choice is king, so perhaps consider it from a perspective of an MC who doesn't forgive her as well as the one who does. Perhaps.)
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                     (In any case! This has been an invigorating conversation. I'm quite glad for your willingness to not only respond to critiquing but also discuss it after the fact. With that said, I don't want to go on too much longer, I know I can be wordy and there's a fine line between providing feedback, and attempting to over-influence production or the like. I think I've done the feedback providing thing thoroughly, and fear I might go into that second area if I keep at it right now. So I'll try to keep myself back and wait for 0.3! Goodness knows one thing I never get tired of, is more sexy girls following my every command!)
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                        Thanks for the update, it's great. I have one issue though, no matter how I feed and train Karen her hunger gets to 100% eventually. Any tips on how to avoid that?
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                     The thing is, I think if the subject refuses to do something, they don't get that meal.  And Karen starts out completely unwilling to do anything at all in the third timeslot for the first couple days, meaning she gets no dinner at the start.  So pretty much you just have to feed her as much as possible in the others and weather it until her Hope goes down.
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                        Hmmm... Okay this might interest me, but just in case someone who already played it could help me out a bit first.
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                        What kind of a "Mind Control" content does this have? Is it just about "add this much drug to their food to raise their corruption/brainwash them for the next session" or is it more direct like "take this NOT drug and after that do as I tell you my puppet"?
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                        My gaming time is really limited by now so I gotta know what I'm looking forward to.
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                     (The mind control method is a hypnotism program, combined with variable training pressures, and the simple power of having them in captivity with control over their only food-source. So a mixture of conventional training and hypnotic programming.
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                        You can blackmail one Character (Celia) but at the moment no "mind control"
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                     Awww. Too bad. Well I guess I'll give it a try if I get some extra time then.
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                        Awww. Too bad. Well I guess I'll give it a try if I get some extra time then.
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                        Thanks for the info.
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                     Totally understand if you want to wait a bit longer before trying it out, although I've put a few things in to reduce the raw grind time so the game could theoretically be finished in a few minutes - if you knew the mechanics already.
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                     Just to laid future plans out a bit for those interested - you condition captives (subjects) by forcing them to do things that grind down their resistance and ultimately receive hypno programming until they become your slave.
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                        (You are quite welcome! And I don't know what your specific mind control kink is, however I do recommend keeping an eye on this one if the sexy times are the main issue, as it is pretty well hinted that those will be developed.)
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                     Well I guess I prefer the more direct(or more like aggressive) approach where you either seize full control of the other one like a puppet either as a blank doll or just unable to say no(bonus point if they still have conscious reactions, but no control).
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                     The slower corruption approach is nice as well, but those gotta have an almost instant reaction for me.
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                     Sadly stuff like this is pretty rarely done "right" for my taste. Games like Super Powered does it well, but it's an unbearable grind fest, Lab Rats 1(also Take Over since it's practically the same setup) and The Company does corruption well, but runs out of content fast and just becomes "slutty girls don' need no mind control".
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                     It's a bit dark, it's overly specific, but that's porn for ya. Most of my kinks are like that I'm afraid.
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                        The slaves however are still "themselves" and not blank slates - and you'll have opportunities in the future to further mould them in different ways.
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                     Hmmm... Yeah, I'll keep an eye out. This approach might not be my style, but gonna see how it goes later on so just keep up the good work.
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                        Well I guess I prefer the more direct(or more like aggressive) approach where you either seize full control of the other one like a puppet either as a blank doll or just unable to say no(bonus point if they still have conscious reactions, but no control).
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                        The slower corruption approach is nice as well, but those gotta have an almost instant reaction for me.
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                        Sadly stuff like this is pretty rarely done "right" for my taste. Games like Super Powered does it well, but it's an unbearable grind fest, Lab Rats 1(also Take Over since it's practically the same setup) and The Company does corruption well, but runs out of content fast and just becomes "slutty girls don' need no mind control".
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                        It's a bit dark, it's overly specific, but that's porn for ya. Most of my kinks are like that I'm afraid.
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                        Hmmm... Yeah, I'll keep an eye out. This approach might not be my style, but gonna see how it goes later on so just keep up the good work.
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                     (Ah, fair enough! I like those games to actually, though I don't think my fetishes are as specific as yours, I've got a bit of an umbrella going on, of which various types of mind control are just one piece in the bigger picture. My kinks are almost all dark though, some exceedingly so. Interesting what one will not only accept but long for in fantasy, and never, ever want to see in the actual world.. sexuality is weird like that.)
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                     Hehe, in that case it may not be the game for you! I much prefer the falling than the fallen, and avoid puppet stuff! There will eventually be more "puppet" like stuff later when research and stuff are done and I'll definitely be adding more direct control stuff - but theme wise Due Process is primarily about subtle conversion!
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                     I think those of us who explore our kinks more tend to be more imaginative and push the envelope a bit more when it comes to sexual gratification. It's definitely got a bit of a primal thing going on - and from my understanding most if not all kinks have something to do with control / power play of some sort - doing stuff that is not normally accepted.
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                        Hehe, in that case it may not be the game for you! I much prefer the falling than the fallen, and avoid puppet stuff! There will eventually be more "puppet" like stuff later when research and stuff are done and I'll definitely be adding more direct control stuff - but theme wise Due Process is primarily about subtle conversion!
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                        Hehe, in that case it may not be the game for you! I much prefer the falling than the fallen, and avoid puppet stuff! There will eventually be more "puppet" like stuff later when research and stuff are done and I'll definitely be adding more direct control stuff - but theme wise Due Process is primarily about subtle conversion!
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                        I think those of us who explore our kinks more tend to be more imaginative and push the envelope a bit more when it comes to sexual gratification. It's definitely got a bit of a primal thing going on - and from my understanding most if not all kinks have something to do with control / power play of some sort - doing stuff that is not normally accepted.
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                     (Ah, well, certainly all of my kinks have to do with power play and control, no doubts there. All of my fetishes fall under the umbrella of me taking power over another, through one method or another. And indeed, a firm understanding that not only is this not real life, but SHOULDN'T be ever attempted to be made into real life, is necessary! It's always excellent when people are able to separate their fantasies from reality. The few who can't... concern me... to put it mildly. Ah! And I agree with primal to, or at least deeply ingrained. Goodness knows I didn't choose to have fetishes that wider society typically won't get and 'frowns upon'.)
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                     Having recently played, and enjoyed, the excellent Dreams Of Desire I began to look into games with a mind control theme (always good to discover a new kink to enjoy!) and discovered Due Process in it's first release. A simple, straight forward, well realised mind control game. I loved it!
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                     The character models for Catherine, especially, and Karen (though I'm a sucker for girls in glasses anyway) were both sexy and quite distinctive (I really like the way Catherine's hair splays outwards at the bottom), the latter being difficult to achieve with so many games out there using similar assets. The only downside was the lack of variation in facial expressions (though in Karen's case that may be deliberate). Catherine I found warm and instantly likeable, her personality adroitly painted by her quirky sense of humour.
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                         And the sex scene, although shorter than I would have liked (more variety of sex acts would have been nice, and I prefer to see the girls' faces during) was still very satisfying and fully lived up to the premise of the game, being highly charged with eroticism by the enslavement kink. It was short but bloody damn hot! The picture of Catherine spreadeagled on the bed, accepting and aroused, was just superb, and that of her kneeling in her raincoat I found sexier than I would have thought possible (maybe I've discovered another new fetish for such apparel!).
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                     The moment when Catherine admits she had similar feelings as MC on meeting, a connection where they could have been friends, gave me a genuine pang of bitterweet remorse.
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                         Karen, on the other hand, is clearly a manipulative, callous, egocentric sociopath, totally lacking in empathy. The only time she displays a sliver of humour/humanity, or indeed emotion for anything other than her work or her own well-being during her ordeal in the living quarters, is a quickly dismissed smirk at MC's joke about his finer qualities. Even her thanks to the MC, in hindsight, come across as a calculated maneuver to get him to carry on helping her start the work. I agree almost 100% with the comprehensive assessment of
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                         . While I can easily (and do) believe that she is lonely, her loneliness is caused by her own personality, not at all surprising and probably fully deserved. To judge her true motivations just look at the way she interacts with Catherine when MC sneaks into the facility: no sign of post-coital intimacy, no attempt at expressing any kind of friendship, just an order to get changed and, most tellingly, addressing her as slave. Or listen to the bargaining phase of her imprisonment, when she attempts to secure one slave for herself, and lets slip that enjoying a sex slave was what she set out to do. Or check out Ending 7 (Betrayal By Karen -Working Overtime) and see her attitude whilst victorious, gloating over the sex celebration with Catherine that MC missed and his impending status as puppet. Very clearly she is only interested in gratifying her own sexual desires through enslavement.
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                     One thing that I really liked about Due Process was that the sex scene was entirely optional (many players, myself included, don't enjoy being forced into scenes with characters they dislike - see later). Obviously I immediately went for the sex option, but it is always nice to have the choice.
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                     Another big plus was the ability to pick what the enslaved characters called MC (I've only seen this implemented once before, and it adds a really nice touch of immersion to a game, not to mention an added sexiness, depending on what you pick).
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                     Personally, I didn't find the game grindy at all because the stat meter pretty much told you exactly how much progress you were making, and there were lots of nice variant pictures at each stage, depending on the girls' state of arousal and type of clothing (my favourite was the second subject masturbating in the Skimpy Dress, because you got to see her breasts)!
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                     The hunger mechanic, whilst well rationalised as a motivation/conditioning tool, was not very realistic in terms of effect - nobody could starve themselves into unconsciousness whilst being fed a full english breakfast and a sandwich every day, but that was a minor quibble. Again I am a bit dubious about the credibility of a woman who HAD starved herself unconscious being able to escape the way she did in Ending 7 (Escape from New Lab). Talking of Endings I haven't unlocked Ending 6 yet, so I would be grateful for any hints - I only played as a male if that makes any difference.
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                     I also thought it was a stroke of mini-genius to have MC use the new machine to alter his own thinking - this was enough justification for me to play such an unethical character, ignoring any further misgivings about the the downright evil nature of his misdeeds. So, thanks
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                     Unfortunately, two things have very nearly spoiled Due Process for me. Most porn game players have particular likes and dislikes when it comes to the fetishes included, and the tags are there to help them find or avoid such fetishes. Another thing that aggravates a lot of players is coming across a fetish that they dislike (or hate in this case) in a game because it is not tagged, especially if it is unavoidable. I hesitate to use the N-word-that-spawns-a-hella-shitstorm but I genuinely believe that Due Process needs to be tagged as
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                         Noxious Theme Returns. I refer, of course, to the sex between Karen and Catherine (the cheating bitch!). I believe that even the most pedantic would agree that it fulfills all the criteria for a tag of Nice Time Ruined: the MC is clearly in a relationship with Catherine before it happens (a twisted and highly immoral relationship, but a relationship nonetheless); it occurs behind MC's back without his knowledge, until he checks the security tapes (and, yes, I get that the purpose of the scene is to reveal Karen as a lesbian, so that this can be used as the key to her programming, but MC could just as easily have come across a cache of Karen's lesbian porn); and it provoked a strong negative reaction in the player (this player, at least, felt a burst of betrayal, anger, hatred and contempt - exactly as when it happened to me in real life, in fact - that had me shouting at my computer screen). I recently played a game called Freeloading Family which was tagged as No Trust Remaining because the main love interest has a lesbian fling with another schoolmate.
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                         For me, the worst part of this was Catherine's motivation for fucking Karen: obviously it wasn't part of MC's plan, obviously she no longer had to obey the programming, and obviously doing it to avoid making Karen suspicious is a really feeble excuse, when you consider she could have feigned illness (like Karen's stomach virus) or pretended to have a programming malfunction ("Yes mistress, let's fuck...wait...my head...the pain...there's a voice in my head"etc.) or simply refused to obey her (Karen wouldn't know the cause and would then focus on discovering the flaw in her work) or just stepped outside the living quarters once Karen was inside, and locked the door - which is probably how she trapped her there in Endings 1 to 3. The only logical conclusion is that Catherine cheated on the MC for the plain and simple reason that she
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                         to have sex with Karen (check out how she describes her as "Delicious" in the new uniform, or embraces her in the final picture). In other words Catherine is a bit of a slut (slutty women are my least favourite characters in games); after all fidelity can't be a big part of her normal personality, unlike her objection to enslavement, since she still struggled with the latter even against her programming while she easily ignored the former. This also spoils that special moment of remorse I got at the end of episode 1 because now, in hindsight, I can't help but think maybe she was talking about a sexual thing, because, you know...promiscuous. And I really liked Catherine before, too. In addition to making her proclamations of loyalty and "I'll be by your side all the way" ring hollow, it also makes the MC look like a loser. After all, what kind of lame-ass Master can't even keep a mind controlled slave faithful to him? I did wonder if turning Catherine towards lesbianism was an additional implanted command (it would explain why
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                         "broke" the pod that could remove such mental changes), but if that was the case then she would recognise it as such from the "overwhelming urge" and surely report it to her master. And it would still be Nasty Trollop Rejected!
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                         The second aspect of Due Process that I really didn't like was the ending. With Catherine now "soiled goods" to me, I pinned all my porn game hopes on having a good revenge hatefuck with Karen after she was programmed. And what do we get? In the one real failure on the writing front we get a, to me, totally unconvincing, out-of the blue, 180 degree turnaround on the MC's previous attitude (all that rage and bitch name-calling). With a few words about a struggle to hold onto his humanity (the same humanity, mind, that clearly intends to enslave Catherine's totally innocent roommate) it appears he forgives her. Well I don't! And I suspect that many players, if given the choice, wouldn't either. Judging from the last pictures of episode 2, instead of a rough revenge fuck with Karen we are heading for a vanilla lesbian threesome (which, to be fair, will probably be a more popular choice than mine, especially amongst players who just want to fap to the pretty pictures). I really,really hope that
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                         will stick to the style of episode 1 and make the threesome sex scene optional, because I don't want anything more to do with Catherine. Karen on her own, yes. Threesome, no. If not, I suppose I could try and get a copy of episode 1 and stick with that, because that ended wonderfully.
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                     Wow! Thanks for the in depth reply
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                     have definitely convinced me that I need to tweak the writing for the closing of chapter 2 - probably by creating branches.
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                         I hadn't expected such a reaction regarding this turn of events, and it's very interesting to me. From my perspective, I prefer f/f contents and naturally enjoyed the idea of some bonus lesbian scenes. In my head, I was thinking that PC asked Catherine to play to Karen's hands to ensure she's trapped in the room. I hadn't consider it a betrayal at all, and it's quite a common trope in mind control games - but I can definitely see where you're coming from! P.S Welcome to the MC kink, hope you find out what you like in the community!
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                         With that in mind, I can either tweak this to be optional: player gets to be more involved with the plan, or base it on whether player had sex with Catherine. Catherine's sex drive was altered as part of her programming, although it's not spelled out yet (haven't gotten to the part where we talk to Karen about the brainwashing) - so if I don't go down the "player planning" path then I'd make it so if you don't have sex with her, then she ends up having sex with Karen. Perhaps each path actually alters Catherine and Karen's personality a bit!
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                         I completely agree - I'll admit that I rushed that part of the game to push the release, so I was never super happy with it. However without you and
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                         's feedback, I probably wouldn't have looked back to properly evaluate whether it needs to be rewritten - and I'm heavily leaning on heavy rewrites.
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                         I think I'll introduce more player options here as well to influence the outcome a bit more - although I'd like to keep the game adjusted via parameters instead of branches, so the changes will mostly be the "slave" stats of Catherine and Karen, based on your decisions.
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                         I think it'd be fair to explore a path where Karen has to work herself to proving her loyalty and gaining forgiveness from PC.
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                     Once again, I really appreciate such insightful feedback, and I'm really happy to hear the parts you enjoy as well.
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                     The current release's focus is redoing all the images to future proof the game's file size a bit, so the story may not progress as quickly, and I haven't had a lot of time to write this month. I hope I can fix the writing so it doesn't do, like you said, the 180 at the end!
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                        Hehe, in that case it may not be the game for you! I much prefer the falling than the fallen, and avoid puppet stuff! There will eventually be more "puppet" like stuff later when research and stuff are done and I'll definitely be adding more direct control stuff - but theme wise Due Process is primarily about subtle conversion!
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                     Áh, okay thanks, good to know. Then I'll keep an eye on this one and see what'll get added.
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                        I think those of us who explore our kinks more tend to be more imaginative and push the envelope a bit more when it comes to sexual gratification. It's definitely got a bit of a primal thing going on - and from my understanding most if not all kinks have something to do with control / power play of some sort - doing stuff that is not normally accepted.
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                     Yeah that's a good point and I'd say it does explain my preference for more direct Mind Control/Hypnosis stuff, but yeah my kinks are also completely limited to fiction since even just something simple like big boobs are less attractive when they're depicted IRL.
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                     I actually had a conversation about these things not long ago and my personal take on them is that the human brain can tell the difference between fiction and reality and since reality is STILL better in the end fiction has to be cranked up a lot to keep up with it. Kinda like how everything in entertainment has to be "perfect" or at least never show their flaws like how in movies people are always wearing heavily makeup or deliberately shown from preferable angles to look better.
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                     Also let's not forget about the whole becoming desensitized thing where if you get used to or bored of something you need to crank it up again for your brain to be entertained. It's kinda easier to reach that point with limitless fiction then IRL.
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                     , it's always good to meet a developer willing to take input into their game from a fan (especially a wavering fan). However, my previous post only represents my own opinion on the game. Having read many threads where this topic has come up, I would point out that the advice given to new game developers, by far more experienced gamers than myself is to formulate a clear creative vision of where you want to take your game, and stick to it. They say that games trying to pander to what the fans want are often those that end up being abandoned, as the creator loses faith in their project. Having said that, I do believe posts such as mine, and
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                     's can be valuable to point out aspects of a game that may not have occurred to the game developer, or help in areas where the dev is undecided on how to proceed.
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                         especially the netorare scene between Catherine (who from the end of episode 1 onwards I viewed as "my girl") and Karen. As for the "player planning" idea, I originally thought I must have skipped some text where that is exactly what happened - the MC ordered Catherine to indulge Karen to keep her occupied, but I reloaded, checked and no such plan was made. Also, for it to be a deliberate plan the MC would have to be aware of Karen's homosexuality, and it is only in the questionable scene itself that we learn of this. Of course, it's not impossible that MC was already aware of her orientation, just highly unlikely (Karen is not, after all, a paragon of open honesty, prone to chatting about her relationships), but if so then it needs to be mentioned at some point previously in the game. With regards to Catherine's sex drive being altered, I think this is quite obvious, and the sexual nature of her behaviour is mentioned a couple of times - in fact this could also be used to deduce Karen's lesbianism. If you do tweak the game to a "player planning" route, then this would remove the odious stigma of netorare and the terrible betrayal of infidelity for me, so I could like Catherine again. My negative reaction to these fetishes may sound extreme but consider an analogy: modern medical science can transform a man born with a penis into an attractive woman with a functioning vagina, and yet many men, if they knew she was born a man, would refuse to have sex with her, no matter how feminine she was now. This is how I feel about a woman who cheats on MC.
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                         As for the the current ending, I don't totally object to forgiving Karen (although it definitely needs to be foreshadowed to avoid the total emotional turnaround), I just feel that she needs to suffer some payback for what she was planning before I could do it. For me, the whole game seemed to be heading for a revenge hatefuck scene where Karen has to submit to sex with MC (and being a lesbian she would find this unpleasant, obviously a challenging scene to write) and this just did not happen. After the disappointment of Catherine's infidelity this was a double blow to me. In your previous reply you indicated that you were thinking of adding options here. Well, I have a suggestion. How about the option to forgive leads to the scene we seemed to be heading for at the end of episode 2 (the lesbian threesome) and the option for revenge leads to solo action with Karen - this way if Catherine's infidelity remains in game I can enjoy the revenge fuck I was after with Karen, and if you go the route of letting it be dependant on having had sex with Catherine then I could enjoy both!
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                        I actually had a conversation about these things not long ago and my personal take on them is that the human brain can tell the difference between fiction and reality and since reality is STILL better in the end fiction has to be cranked up a lot to keep up with it.
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                     For me fantasy / fiction gets to explore stuff that isn't possible, but more importantly I think our ability to empathise / imagine being in situations we haven't personally experienced can allow us to experience certain thrills not possible in real life. For me that would be the squick stories that Tabico and similar artists write about - the mixture of horror and abandonment of humanity, perhaps it's the primal part of me getting a kick out of it.
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                        Also let's not forget about the whole becoming desensitized thing where if you get used to or bored of something you need to crank it up again for your brain to be entertained. It's kinda easier to reach that point with limitless fiction then IRL.
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                     Yeah this is one thing that I wish wasn't the case, but then I guess my libido will eventually go down as I near my middle ages so that I don't hit the point of impossibility to get a kick out of stuff. I know studies have shown that porn genuinely affects our sex drives in a negative way, but I just can't seem to stop!
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                        , it's always good to meet a developer willing to take input into their game from a fan (especially a wavering fan). ... ... They say that games trying to pander to what the fans want are often those that end up being abandoned, as the creator loses faith in their project. ... ...
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                     ! Hopefully I don't fall into the pandering category - I've disagreed with a lot of suggestions and gave my reasoning in the past, including suggestions that are echoed by multiple players that I totally understand - namely allowing a free meal option with no task attached - because I think it defeats the narrative and incentive from the subjects' point of view to fall prey to the process (you either perform, or you starve, it's the fundamental driving force of their experience). However, as you said, your point may be more valid than others - and I absolutely feel it's the case and it fits into the narrative. If anything my rushed writing was the problem in the first place!
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                         Now that you've said it, I can definitely get the hate / revenge fuck theme building towards Karen. Again I think my writing has failed me towards that end - although it could also be my preference towards sympathy - I half chalk it up to the disjointed writing schedule (between coding, renders, organising the images, testing and writing), and half up to me being an inexperienced writer!
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                         I've already started exploring the player option here as I do want to keep the forgiveness path, so I'm glad you seem to be happy with that approach. Although instead of revenge fuck, I'm using this opportunity to explore different slave portraits right now. Currently all slaves have a "normal" state and what better opportunity than this to use Karen to test out a different state?
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                         So player decision of forgiving her or not leads to either original path or Karen being gagged and bound as a way of humiliating her. Her sex drive, whilst high to begin with and now boosted some more, would be used against her as the option to have vaginal sex with her will be locked out (although I haven't even rendered the oral sex scenes).
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                        That's a really interesting take on it that I hadn't considered!
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                        For me fantasy / fiction gets to explore stuff that isn't possible, but more importantly I think our ability to empathise / imagine being in situations we haven't personally experienced can allow us to experience certain thrills not possible in real life. For me that would be the squick stories that Tabico and similar artists write about - the mixture of horror and abandonment of humanity, perhaps it's the primal part of me getting a kick out of it.
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                        The human brain is so weird and wonderful!
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                        Yeah this is one thing that I wish wasn't the case, but then I guess my libido will eventually go down as I near my middle ages so that I don't hit the point of impossibility to get a kick out of stuff. I know studies have shown that porn genuinely affects our sex drives in a negative way, but I just can't seem to stop!
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                        ! Hopefully I don't fall into the pandering category - I've disagreed with a lot of suggestions and gave my reasoning in the past, including suggestions that are echoed by multiple players that I totally understand - namely allowing a free meal option with no task attached - because I think it defeats the narrative and incentive from the subjects' point of view to fall prey to the process (you either perform, or you starve, it's the fundamental driving force of their experience). However, as you said, your point may be more valid than others - and I absolutely feel it's the case and it fits into the narrative. If anything my rushed writing was the problem in the first place!
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                            That said, the netorare aspect surprised me and I guess you could say I was pandering a bit to explore it - but only within the confines of what I was willing to to commit to.
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                            I'm really glad you actually like the "no sex" trigger idea &gt; and to answer your question - yes it does have a slight impact later on to a different scene, but that path is intended to create the scenario where the MC isn't orientated towards female characters. It's another seed to my goal to create something inclusive for people who may not be interested in sex with women. Granted right now I'm not exploring that path as most if not all players are only interested in women (myself included), so I'm focusing on that area for now (although I think I may be bucking the trend a little by not featuring enormously endowed women!).
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                            Now that you've said it, I can definitely get the hate / revenge fuck theme building towards Karen. Again I think my writing has failed me towards that end - although it could also be my preference towards sympathy - I half chalk it up to the disjointed writing schedule (between coding, renders, organising the images, testing and writing), and half up to me being an inexperienced writer!
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                            I've already started exploring the player option here as I do want to keep the forgiveness path, so I'm glad you seem to be happy with that approach. Although instead of revenge fuck, I'm using this opportunity to explore different slave portraits right now. Currently all slaves have a "normal" state and what better opportunity than this to use Karen to test out a different state?
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                            So player decision of forgiving her or not leads to either original path or Karen being gagged and bound as a way of humiliating her. Her sex drive, whilst high to begin with and now boosted some more, would be used against her as the option to have vaginal sex with her will be locked out (although I haven't even rendered the oral sex scenes).
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                        (Thanks again for your input, and I hope I'll be able to keep you interested in the game if only for the self reason to get such quality feedback
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                         lol, well it wasn't at all meant to be pandering, but it seems we share a common interest here!
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                            lol, well it wasn't at all meant to be pandering, but it seems we share a common interest here!
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                            That said, I need to consider how Karen would communicate given she's bound and gagged which means even typing would be tricky. Yes... we can take off her gag when she talks but that means another image set / more tinkering - although maybe this is an opportunity for me to create more flexible layeredimages...
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                         (Yay for common interests! Those are some of the best kinds. And indeed, it does present it's own difficulties, but also, it's own, wonderful rewards... from a gag fetish standpoint. 'Ahem', unfortunately, from an image set standpoint I have practically no expertise in such crafting and manipulations! I know not how such wonderful images may be brought about! Only that I would be quite happy if they were... and I'm, probably ninety-nine percent certain to pick options that result in gagged and/or bondage-type clad girls... It is more than a little probable with me.)
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                     You can type dir() in the console to see the list of all variables.
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                     The variables in this game are name.stat, but cou can't just change them like in other games.
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                        Any way to make Karen's "Hope" or "Resistance" meters go down faster without making her starve
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                         Her hope goes down each night based on her hunger level, so letting her go hungry to start with then changing her meal plans should speed up the hope reduction without her going into the red. Since she's not timed, you could just give her the best meals and skip the days.
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                         Her resistance is tied to her hope primarily but masturbation also reduces it. Masturbation is tied to arousal, which can be raised very slowly by outfits but more effectively with Watching Porn. Watching Porn is tied to her hope but she'd do it if she's desperately hungry.
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                         So ultimately everything ties back to her hunger level.
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                            Her hope goes down each night based on her hunger level, so letting her go hungry to start with then changing her meal plans should speed up the hope reduction without her going into the red. Since she's not timed, you could just give her the best meals and skip the days.
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                            Her resistance is tied to her hope primarily but masturbation also reduces it. Masturbation is tied to arousal, which can be raised very slowly by outfits but more effectively with Watching Porn. Watching Porn is tied to her hope but she'd do it if she's desperately hungry.
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                            So ultimately everything ties back to her hunger level.
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                     The meal descriptions should give indications of which is the best meal. They should also be in order of substantialness from top to bottom as well, so English Breakfast, Sandwiches and Roasted Dinner are the best ones.
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                        Hey guys, I'm running a poll about what genders people play as. I'd really appreciate it if you would pop in vote on my poll - it'd help me understand how I should prioritise my efforts going forward. Thank you!
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