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                     I was curious, after looking trough all the completed games on the forum i realize that around 70%-90% of the hentai games (mostly RPGMaker on this case) are centered around a girl you control and make her become a sex addict or something like that
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                     What happenned to the good ol' "guy fucks entire world/town/village/family" kind of game? :/
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                     I understand that making female protagonist its easier, because you dont need to design a whole lot of girls, but its getting boring, so many games with the same gameplay and just the scenes that change
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                     There are still plenty male protagonist games being made, you just need to look in the right places. As someone who exclusively looks for female protagonist games, id say that its entirely otherwise. There are a crap ton of male protagonist games, and most of them are the "guy fucks the entire (insert thing here)" type.
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                        I was curious, after looking trough all the completed games on the forum i realize that around 70%-90% of the hentai games (mostly RPGMaker on this case) are centered around a girl you control and make her become a sex addict or something like that
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                     Ok... so are you talking about Hentai specifically or just adult games? Because if it's the latter you're sorely mistaken. I will say that most female protagonist games at the moment are RPGm, but that's more about how RPGm serves the Domination by rape and blackmail genre than anything about female antagonists being popular. I actually like female protagonist games, as much if not more than male protags. So I can say for sure, there are far less female protags in my library than male protags, and that's not by design, it's by the sheer number of male protags greatly outweighing the female.
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                     Also, I want to say clearly, it's not any easier to design male characters for a female protagonist to fuck than it is to create female characters for a male protagonist to fuck. If anything the problem here isn't the market having too many of one game or another, its you thinking that the market should cater all its content to your sensibilities.
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                     Yeah, what games are you playing?  What Genre are you focusing on?
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                     I can name quite a few male protagonist games (that have threads on this forum) but that'd be a pretty extensive list.  Pretty much every game in the popular games section has a male MC protagonist, with maybe one or two exceptions.
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                     As for female protagonist games that I've played, only a small handful pop to mind immdediately (and one is abandoned)
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                     - That one RPGM game where you play the wife who fucks the homeless guy in the park 'cuz he's blackmailing you, plus the geriatric neighbor, the guy in the photo studio, your nephew in the tub, and a bunch of other guys that blackmail you into sex... sorry name is eluding me now.  There was a separate comic where she catches her nephew/son/something watching her in the shower, and he ends up cumming on her 'cuz she's so hot....
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                     There were a also couple of female centric RPGM maker games that I played, but one or both were abandoned.
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                        Ok... so are you talking about Hentai specifically or just adult games? Because if it's the latter you're sorely mistaken. I will say that most female protagonist games at the moment are RPGm, but that's more about how RPGm serves the Domination by rape and blackmail genre than anything about female antagonists being popular. I actually like female protagonist games, as much if not more than male protags. So I can say for sure, there are far less female protags in my library than male protags, and that's not by design, it's by the sheer number of male protags greatly outweighing the female.
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                     Ok i shouldn't be answering that because you were clearly bothered by a normal question and went to attack me personally instead of answering in a civilized manner.
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                     Well, let's go by the hentai line, because i dont play the regular porn games, have you checked out the completed games on this forum?
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                     You will clearly see a lack of Male protags, and as i said, forget about VN's, 90% of those are just picture books with no gameplay at all
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                     You do have a good point in there
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                     Uhh... yeah, have you seen the scenes of those games? if they at least bother to show the man's face it will have no personality at all
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                     Uhmm yeah, who would like to play porn games when you cant find what you are looking for, right? But thats not the point, devs should do whatever they please as long as they dont go full EA or Ubisoft...
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                     But the point is, why all of them just keep making the same thing? Look for Rune's Pharmacy, Melty's Quest, Succubus Rem, NTR Imouto(or something like that, dont clearly rememner the name of this one) and etc... they are literally the same game but with different protagonists, with one or two different mechanics, but these are high quality ones, if you look for the cheaper ones you will notice all the patterns, no need to be a genius...
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                     I don't think that there are more games with female protagonists than male protagonists currently. However, I feel that there are more of them than before.
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                     I think it is partially due to the fact that most games with male protagonists tend to be very similar. In the majority of games with male protagonists, the goal is to basically have sex with everyone and build some sort of harem. The moment there is any sort of risk to the player's ability to do that, players start complaining about NTR or the game being grindy.
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                     In lewd games I do favour a male mc, really disliking female mc's there. Its just a thing. I guess I wanna do the lewding, not being lewded in a game
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                     As for normal games and books and movies. In those things I am completely fine with female mc's. Heck my books have female mc's too and I could not imagine writing male mc's at all
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                        Yeah, what games are you playing?  What Genre are you focusing on?
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                        I can name quite a few male protagonist games (that have threads on this forum) but that'd be a pretty extensive list.  Pretty much every game in the popular games section has a male MC protagonist, with maybe one or two exceptions.
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                        As for female protagonist games that I've played, only a small handful pop to mind immdediately (and one is abandoned)
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                        - That one RPGM game where you play the wife who fucks the homeless guy in the park 'cuz he's blackmailing you, plus the geriatric neighbor, the guy in the photo studio, your nephew in the tub, and a bunch of other guys that blackmail you into sex... sorry name is eluding me now.  There was a separate comic where she catches her nephew/son/something watching her in the shower, and he ends up cumming on her 'cuz she's so hot....
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                        There were a also couple of female centric RPGM maker games that I played, but one or both were abandoned.
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                     Well, the latest Female Protag games that i completed was Melty's Quest, but what i was looking for was something like The Sleeping Beauty, but with a better quality
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                     I guess games similar to ROBF are what im looking for
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                     I will check out those games that you recommended, thx!
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                        Ok i shouldn't be answering that because you were clearly bothered by a normal question and went to attack me personally instead of answering in a civilized manner.
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                        What happenned to the good ol' "guy fucks entire world/town/village/family" kind of game? :/
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                        I understand that making female protagonist its easier, because you dont need to design a whole lot of girls, but its getting boring, so many games with the same gameplay and just the scenes that change
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                        If anything the problem here isn't the market having too many of one game or another, its you thinking that the market should cater all its content to your sensibilities.
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                     You see, you didn't ask a simple question, you created an entire thread to complain that games that didn't suit your particular desire are being made, in spite of the fact that it's your desires that are narrow, and not the games being made. I'm glad to read that you do play the female protagonist games, that's more than I can say for some other's who have made the same thread to complain about this, but you have got to see that the problem isn't that the industry doesn't have enough Male Protagonist games, its that you limit yourself to a specific type of game that is best suited either to actual RPGs or, in a sex game, to a scnenario where a world map to move around on is necessary.
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                        Rare is the RPGm that couldn't be told on Ren'Py, even my favorite, Coceter Chronicles, could be told in Ren'Py. There's really nothing special about RPGm except for it's RPG mechanics, which can be recreated in any engine you want. You're the one limiting yourself, not creators, not consumers, just you. So, while you came here seeking to complain that the RPGm hentai market is too full of female protagonists, the thing that you needed to learn from this is that it's your pickiness that is limiting your access to male protagonists, not a lack of developer vision.
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                     I just had to other impression: A lot of male protagonist games and rather few female ones.
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                     People just tend to think there is too little of the stuff they want and more than enough of the stuff they don't want. When it comes to designing games I think none is inherently easier or more difficult. A game with character customisation where you can choose the protagonist's gender would be more difficult. Otherwise, I think it makes little difference in the degree of difficulty for the developer, wether a guy fucks many girls like the Alenz1 wants, or a girl fucks other girls with no male interference at all which I prefer, or anything in between.
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                        I was curious, after looking trough all the completed games on the forum i realize that around 70%-90% of the hentai games (mostly RPGMaker on this case) are centered around a girl you control and make her become a sex addict or something like that
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                     , and at the time I looked there were 11 games with a male protagonist, and 9 games with a female protagonist.  So 45% with female protagonists, and 55% with male protagonists.  If you limit that to games with anime-style art and/or are from the Asian market (I assume that's what you mean by "hentai games"), that eliminated two male protagonist games for not being "hentai", meaning the numbers are 9 for each.  So, 50%, not 70%-90% like you claimed.
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                     I'm sorry, but when I look at the data objectively, I'm not seeing this bias that you claim is there.
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                     Perhaps the problem isn't one with the market, but in your own personal
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                     I recommend trying this experiment for yourself.  First, even before you pull up the list, pick a specific number of entries that you think will be enough.  Then,
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                     If the results don't match your beliefs, then perhaps you're only remembering the entries that support your beliefs, and forgetting all of the other ones that contradict it.  Don't worry, this is something all humans do, but being aware of it and looking for unbiased data helps make us a bit better at avoiding that mistake.
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                        What happenned to the good ol' "guy fucks entire world/town/village/family" kind of game? :/
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                     Nothing, there were a couple of them there.  They merely don't dominate the market like they used to.
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                     Wait... when did women become incapable of being heroes? Damn did none of you watch Mulan as a kid? Legend of Korra? Alien franchise? Teminator 2? Underworld? Resident Evil? (I'm aware the quality of film went down, that's not the point).
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                        ... And moreover, while I recognize the issue many of you have in porn, of not wnating to "get fucked" it really isn't a valid argument as 99% of female protag games show all the sex in 3rd person. I don't imagine myself as Tabitha getting railed by the demon Caleb in Coceter Chronicles I imagine myself as Caleb...
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                     Thats is sadly too true. Can you Sir be so kind as to point me to the 1% of female protagonist games that show the sex in her pov? I only got "California Bound" game, and that got some angry comments. In Coceter, theres camera angles that say POV, i clicked it and only got the male person pov and not Tabitha! Broke immersion. As you can see im in the minority here that actually wants to be inside that girl from her pov. But most female protagonist games (if not all) are made by men for men. Hence they avoid first person female and show the sex as 3rd person. So the player doesnt feel he is gay or something creepy. Of course, my point isnt valid for text games, as the point of view cant be broken by images.
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                        Thats is sadly too true. Can you Sir be so kind as to point me to the 1% of female protagonist games that show the sex in her pov? I only got "California Bound" game, and that got some angry comments. In Coceter, theres camera angles that say POV, i clicked it and only got the male person pov and not Tabitha! Broke immersion. As you can see im in the minority here that actually wants to be inside that girl from her pov. But most female protagonist games (if not all) are made by men for men. Hence they avoid first person female and show the sex as 3rd person. So the player doesnt feel he is gay or something creepy. Of course, my point isnt valid for text games, as the point of view cant be broken by images.
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                     Honestly, I didn't even remember it in California Bound. And you're right, unless it's coceter I can't think of another one. I made room for 1% so that someone could come along and point out the games like them that do, but I doubt it's actually that big a number. There may also be some in the hentai games, but as so many of them are lazy with their art, allowing one static image to remain on the screen as I read wall after wall of text, I find that most japanese games don't work for me. (if anyone has some suggestions, games that have amazing art in that respect feel free to share, I'm not opposed to anime art, in fact I am probably classified as a weeb, I'm just picky)
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                        That is true, but then, where are the games that pander to them? Or female game creators preferably. Saying that, i recall that "Good Girl Gone Bad" is my favorite game, and its creator Eva Kiss might be a woman but i have no way of corroborating that.
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                     Hentami, voice actress and developer. Currently has a game out called Casting Couch... I wanna say... not sure. Also working on a fantasy game with a really compelling opening. I can't say much, because I don't know what she's planning, but I really enjoyed the part she showed me after asking for some advice. That said, I think both have a male MC.
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                        Wait... when did women become incapable of being heroes? Damn did none of you watch Mulan as a kid? Legend of Korra? Alien franchise? Teminator 2? Underworld? Resident Evil? (I'm aware the quality of film went down, that's not the point).
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                     When I quote someone it means I am talking to him in particular. I am answering a person asking why there are people complaining about female perspective game. I am telling him that these complainers are lesser people who for some absurd reason need to live out none porn related fantasies through the main character. When I wrote it I was well aware the word hero was not the necessarily the right word to get my meaning across, but my vocabulary is somewhat limited, and my thought process not entirely perfect.
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                     I was trying to say that for some it is not enough to watch sexual encounters, they also need to be able to identify with a particular character in the shot, that particular character being the main one, because they have some sort of hero fetish or something
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                     When you and I watch demon girl get rammed in that classic sidescroller, we see demon girl get rammed. But when these people watch demon girl get rammed, they imagine themselves being rammed, and are uncomfortable.
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                     Buffy is the greatest show ever made. Dark Angel is one of the worst. Korra is okay but no last airbender. I have never seen Mulan. Alien is great, except the fourth. Terminator is terrible, why did they not give salvation a chance? Underworld is terrible.
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                        When I quote someone it means I am talking to him in particular. I am answering a person asking why there are people complaining about female perspective game. I am telling him that these complainers are lesser people who for some absurd reason need to live out none porn related fantasies through the main character. When I wrote it I was well aware the word hero was not the necessarily the right word to get my meaning across, but my vocabulary is somewhat limited, and my thought process not entirely perfect.
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                        I was trying to say that for some it is not enough to watch sexual encounters, they also need to be able to identify with a particular character in the shot, that particular character being the main one, because they have some sort of hero fetish or something
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                        Buffy is the greatest show ever made. Dark Angel is one of the worst. Korra is okay but no last airbender. I have never seen Mulan. Alien is great, except the fourth. Terminator is terrible, why did they not give salvation a chance? Underworld is terrible.
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                        Ever hear of Nando V Movies? He did two shows on his channel about WW's ending and I really prefer his idea.
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                     Just went and watched it, and yea, that be more satisfying. And not just because Ares could be played by Jaime Lannister, my favorite Game of Thrones character.
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                     I guess movies, tv and porn games share one thing: superficial stories to make the money and not risk doing something deeper. In movies and tv is the mindless action sequences for the boys, and the cheesy romance for the girls. While most porn games are just a mindless sexfest.
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                        On the POV thing...
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                        Guys who play these games want to look at boobies and ass.  Gals probably want the same thing...
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                        So if you are doing POV shots from a female MC's point of view, the only way you'll get a good view of her assets is if she can see herself in a mirror or something.  Doing that constantly seems contrived, so at that point you might as well not bother with POV...
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                        Guys aren't as interested in constantly seeing what the male MC looks like.  Hence, POV view for Male characters works better.  They can see themselves in a mirror once or twice, mainly you just want to see the MC's hands on her boobies and ass, and your penis in her mouth or pussy anyways.  And, if the game designer consciously chooses to not ever show the MC's face, and keeps the 'full body shots' to a minimum, then this allows the male player to imagine himself as the character in the game, as opposed to the character that is already there.
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                     Thats is true for most the player base and a third person view is a fine neutral compromise. Its the standard in porn industry too. However, if the game really wants to immerse yourself in the female point of view, a few pov shots here and there from her eyes be good for it. Theres now some VR female pov videos where you can look from the female eyes and yet see most of her assets. Some other movies employ mirrors and selfies recording while at it too.
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                     But im betting im on a very rare minority here that will actually like to see the female pov. It adds to the immersion if you want to be inside the female as you play her. I find it weird that if you are playing as a female, the pov shots are from the male eyes. Thats why i mentioned before that i suspect these female games are really meant for men that want to look and control a female instead of actually role playing as her.
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                     Honestly why does this matter, we're gonna just jerk off anyway. If you have a preference for male protag good for you, but the reason why I like female protag is that it's usually deals in corruption, better hardcore sex and lesbian sex. Even then it's much more of a preference of art and the artist rather than the sex. Not to mention the market chooses the type of games that are made unless the dev goes on a different route.
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                        Lots of discussion in this thread on the merits and creative choice of why a female MC.
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                     As far as the games themselves, I don't mind their existence on its own. Like any other fetish, if it's not my cup of tea I just don't play. Nobody's said that all games have to be something I'd want to play. That being said, my big annoyance is places like Lesson of Passion (which was actually my catalyst into adult games) that make all these female protagonist which takes away time spent on male protag games.
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                     being said I know that's just me being greedy and doesn't change what I said earlier about knowing not every game has to please me. It's just sad for me when devs I like spend time on projects I don't like, but that's very much a 'me' issue
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                     I do not see that it really matters if a main protagonist is male or female, it is a question of the story that is told and that is was interests me much more then the gender of the MC. Although i would appreciate it if more female characters, in general, would have normal breast and not things out of a horror movie.
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                        As you kow 80% gamers is a boys. So big tits and sweet face is task number 1 =)
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                     I don't like this question whatsoever, let alone the idea behind OP's unbelievable ideal that there was too many of them in the first place. Maybe my tastes are just too specific? But I'd for once like one of these (more or less) high production games that most people like, but with a FeMC, and actual stories when it comes to routes regarding the males, and, I don't know.. Aren't
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                        I don't like this question whatsoever, let alone the idea behind OP's unbelievable ideal that there was too many of them in the first place. Maybe my tastes are just too specific? But I'd for once like one of these (more or less) high production games that most people like, but with a FeMC, and actual stories when it comes to routes regarding the males, and, I don't know.. Aren't
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                     Y e s. Thank you!
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                     There are actually a lot of R-18 otomes out there but no one is willing to translate them into English which really says something about the English speaking h game industry.
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                     idk why i am back here, but just one thing to point out the same thing can be done with a male player a lot corruption character games (venusblood) use said system to determine which scenes and endings you get for them. (This is in relation to you 2nd point I agree with your first one.)
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