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                     There's lots of Top 10 game lists out there, but I was curious as to how the community would comment on the "Mount Rushmore" of game developers.
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                     In the US, the "Mount Rushmore of [fill in the blank]" is a common way to start a heated debate about the four or five BEST of anything (see the spoiler).
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                          Mount Rushmore
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                         is an iconic American monument in which the four "greatest" American presidents are
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                         In the US, we use "The Mount Rushmore of..." in conversations about the greatest individuals of various pursuits. For example:
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                         The "Mount Rushmore of Basketball":
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                     2) Only devs with
                     <u>
                      <b>
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                     games should be on the Mount Rushmore of developers... I would like to think this goes without saying.
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                     3) I'm not familiar with many Japanese game developers that could (and should?) enter the discussion, so I hope to learn something!
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                     4) Also, many LOP games and other titles like HunniePop don't cite one particular developer, so even if you think the
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                      game
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                      ho is on your Mount Rushmore of Game Developers?
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                     I'll go with
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                     Honorable mention to A Bomire, A Ninny, NewKid, and Pusooy.
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                     There are a lot of devs out there with some amazing games still in progress! Maybe one day Mrdots or ICSTOR* or
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                     will enter the discussion.
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                     A side note: it's fascinating to me that two of the devs on my Mt Rushmore are women!
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                     A second side note: yes, I know ICSTOR and Ptolemy have complete games along with games in progress, but they're not on
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                        1) Any Mount Rushmore discussion tends to prefer the originators over recent rising stars.
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                     - Akabur
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                     Mount Rushmore of 2D trainer games. From time to time one new weg is created based on his trainer mechanics or art.
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                     - Fenoxo
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                     Mount Rushmore of text based games. From time to time one new weg is created based on Corruption of Champions design and mechanics.
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                     - Vosmug
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                     Mount Rushmore of side-scroller wegs. Dude already has two nice h-games finished. After him, i can only think of HentaiWriter (Future Fragments) and Anon42 (Crisis Point), but both still in progress.
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                     - ICSTOR
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                     Mount Rushmore of 3D incest games. From time to time one new weg is created based on his tropes and (unfortunately) gameplay.
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                     You said to not mention japanese games, but i have to insist on including:
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                     Mount Rushmore of female protagonist corruption games. Simply the origin of them all, i'm pretty sure most fans of this genre started here or played it at least once. It's a classic.
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                     Sigh.... the internet is so depressing sometimes.....
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                     If I asked "Who do you think are the best football/soccer players of all time, but you can only include retired players!", would you respond with "This is a dumb and worthless post--only current players should be considered!!!!"? Or would we have a fun and interesting and enlightening conversation where we probably agreed that Pele and Maradona are on Mount Rushmore, but then debate about whether Cruyff or Beckenbauer or Zidane or Müller or someone else belongs there, and then discuss how Messi and Renaldo already belong there even though they are still playing. It can be fun unless you make a conscious decision to be a wet blanket about it.
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                     Ooops... i must add then, that i don't consider pre-Milfy City ICSTOR one of best game developers. The only thing i liked about his games were the renders and animations. I only put him on my list because you asked for:
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                     Which he is for his genre.
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                     I would put Sierra Lee on my personal Mount Rushmore, but i don't think she is a originator, just a very talented creator. She does female protag hrpgs, dramatic visual novels, serious rpgs. Fixes gameplay problems and brings quality writting to games in saturated genres.
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                        Ooops... i must add then, that i don't consider pre-Milfy City ICSTOR one of best game developers. The only thing i liked about his games were the renders and animations. I only put him on my list because you asked for:
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                        I would put Sierra Lee on my personal Mount Rushmore, but i don't think she is a originator, just a very talented creator. She does female protag hrpgs, dramatic visual novels, serious rpgs. She fixes gameplay problems and brings quality writting to games in saturated genres.
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                     I completely understand your "not an originator, but a talented creator" comment. As you alluded to in your first reply, yes, I can find talented creators by looking at many threads where people have posted their opinions on their favorite Top 10 games. I've read these threads and found several hidden gems of games in development that I now follow enthusiastically.
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                     My original post was about soliciting opinions on which devs should be considered the "best of the best" in terms of developing and enhancing the "adult-game" genre to where it is today. Lots of people are asking for other people's favorite games; I'm asking about who should be considered among the best adult-game developers of all time.
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                     Thanks for the Sierra Lee recommendation! If she's on your personal Mt Rushmore, then she's worth a look.  I've seen her games, but I've never tried them, I guess only because the previews didn't interest me. But now that I'm reading your comment, I'm motivated to give those games a try, which is what my original post was all about
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                        Thanks for the Sierra Lee recommendation! If she's on your personal Mt Rushmore, then she's worth a look. I've seen her games, but I've never tried them, I guess only because the previews didn't interest me. But now that I'm reading your comment, I'm motivated to give those games a try, which is what my original post was all about
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                     Most people ignore it because she uses a hated engine: RPGM. But she manages to avoid the traditional traps: grinding, needless walking and makes the combat (somewhat) fun. Ouroboros and Desecration of Wings are both completed RPGM, but very good games, they may have slow start and look cliche at first, but... it's better not to spoil more. The games have pics, but it isn't the main point of her games, it's the writing of characters and the world.
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                     Alice Soft for  Rance series ( most notable Sengoku rance )
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                     .Have listed those 3 (well around 11 really but who's counting lol
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                        Mount Rushmore of 2D trainer games. From time to time one new weg is created based on his trainer mechanics or art.
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                        Mount Rushmore of text based games. From time to time one new weg is created based on Corruption of Champions design and mechanics.
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