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                     30 renders for a sex scene i take it that is without animations?
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                     I am nearing the release date of my Demo/Episode One vs1.0 so i was wondering what the expected content and game play time was. I mean i have to work at night and on weekends so it's not like i have loads of hours to do this. With just one pc that I use for coding and image renders you can imagine it's slow... I have another pc that i could use for the coding but this pc is an old quad core AMD chipped ddr3 4gb beast or lack of ....
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                     From what you suggesting then it should be reachable for me to achieve .... will think about this.
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                     For example i am busy with a very nice BJ scene that will end up having 20images excluding animation. I'll see if i add a short animation...
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                     Spot on.. im also going to have to explain why it happened as the one character was not suppose to do what they just did... Trick is not to bore the reader.
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                        And if you're just doing a BJ or early sex acts a smaller amount of images is reasonable. Honestly that sounds like a good number for a BJ scene. Just try to keep the show don't tell line in mind. Some will say that they like theatre of the mind, and what they don't see is that less text is more in that respect, but more images just gives you more to work with in your mind.
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                     OH yeah, i've changed and redone renders many times and redid some of the text...
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                        Personally I'd advise releasing whatever you're comfortable with or whatever suites the story. Inventing or forcing content to satisfy the masses doesn't always work out the best.
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                        More importantly, it's about how much the game moves forward, if one scene plus several lines of non-H dialogue are do the job then you shouldn't need to worry. Arguably a negative example is SunsetRiders7's SU that has only been moving sideways for a long time and we get people whining about it all the time in the threads, discord and streams.
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                     I can confirm this 100%. I like the game, but it is sad when you have 10-20 girls fully enslaved and ready to do your bidding, and you still can't get to fuck them, or even a HJ/BJ in most cases. The term "width of an ocean - depth of a mud puddle" is definately true in this case.
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                        I can confirm this 100%. I like the game, but it is sad when you have 10-20 girls fully enslaved and ready to do your bidding, and you still can't get to fuck them, or even a HJ/BJ in most cases. The term "width of an ocean - depth of a mud puddle" is definately true in this case.
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                     I've seen some games that seem to get by OK with fewer renders per scene (say less than a dozen), but have enough substance that I don't mind.
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                        Eh, BB had sex content with almost everyone before he abandoned it. The problem was that his sex content was 5-10 poorly framed scenes (for instance looking at max's ass while you fucked lisa) and then repeat. There was not enough content to make all the work worthwhile.
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                     This depends a lot on why you are asking. If you want to know for the sake of making sure you get just enough done not to leave anyone feeling cheated, then you are going about this all wrong. You should always be putting your best effort towards getting as much content in as you can, without worrying about arbitrary numbers of scenes and renders and word counts etc and/or how long you can drag things out.
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                        Yeah because what's the value in your time and effort. There's something to be said about making a game that is worth paying for, surely. But to imply that people who do put in their time and effort for your enjoyment shouldn't ask for funding is not only ignorant but arrogant and quite frankly deplorable. Seriously, with that kind of attitude you disgust me.
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                        Calm down. I said there wasn't a problem with asking for money. It's just what you're offering in return that is the issue. I feel that it would be best to create a SMALL and complete project to start with. Get criticism on renders, writing, presentation style or whatever and then build your next project off of the experience you've gained in that first attempt. Rather than doing it step by step over a larger project.
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                     Yes, your opinion is that people should work for free until they prove to you that they're worthy. It is disgusting. You don't have to pay for their first game if you don't want to. But you shouldn't discourage people from asking for compensation from those who think it's worthy. Most of us are fully aware that without piracy we don't make any money. So we are comfortable with the fact that people are going to play our game for free. But we ask that those who would like us to continue this support us. That's not something that should be discouraged. We are providing a service. Who the hell are you to say that we shouldn't be compensated? You say make a small game to prove that we can. Do you realize the amount of time that goes into making even a small game? I only have 6 months worth of content planned for one of my titles, it's been in development on art for 3 months.
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                        I'm having this problem too with deciding when to release updates, because I story-board everything beforehand and then render everything, and now I've found my Day 3 update is going to need about 250 renders, which is going to take an age.
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