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                        Big Brother is not my top game (haven't checked in since v0.3) but regardless of the game, any girl should be able to have sex with anyone they want... nobody owns them. And verity is hot after all. There are some characters I'd personally not like to see do it, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't. It all comes down to what is appropriate for the particular characters at that stage of their virtual lives and in your specific example of the BB girls, it totally fits so have at it! You know... as long as their original creator is fine with having his characters portrayed like that. If so, go nuts my friend!
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                     My opinion on BB is pretty common knowledge... But I'm writing Game Legends, and getting some negative feedback on the implication of Kira being with someone in a sequence where she's lying to tease Max, so I figure I should be careful... As to their use, well, I'm not actually calling them Kira, Alice, and Ann, and DS has no proprietary rights over their daz models.
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                        My opinion on BB is pretty common knowledge... But I'm writing Game Legends, and getting some negative feedback on the implication of Kira being with someone in a sequence where she's lying to tease Max, so I figure I should be careful... As to their use, well, I'm not actually calling them Kira, Alice, and Ann, and DS has no proprietary rights over their daz models.
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                     I get DS doesn't have rights on the exact models, but they are clearly parody uses at best. Now I'm not throwing stones from my particular glass house here (I've been doing my own parody stuff for over a year now), my main point is if they were my own original creations (I have those too) I'd like to be consulted at least (I'll admit I'd also be pretty flattered). Just because DS is a big shot and not exactly known for being a big guy in the community doesn't mean he doesn't deserve at least that courtesy, you know? It'd make me feel better to know it's got some kind of "Ok go" from the original creator than not, is all. My thoughts are more with that than with any legal issues. But hey, if it's not something feel the need to do, that's up to you. I'm not going to tell you how to run your set up. Best of luck to you guys, and me sure to give plenty of ladies a good time while you're at it...
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                        I assumed that, I've been keeping an eye on the thread... haven't weighed in over there since as I said I've not really played BB as it is now and don't really have a horse in that race just yet. But I feel ya, you get a fair bit of hate over there and it's justifiable to be cautious. My main thought is why do you want to make content for a game you dislike so much? I'm genuinely curious...
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                     I think BB had potential. I just think DS didn't execute well. So while I don't like the game, I'm not opposed to writing the characters in short stories where I can let their personalities shine through... its a good exercise. That said, it's not my idea, FunFiction already had the art and I'm writing for him. We are actually doing a larger project and this is just a side thing to get started working together, work out and test Rich's program, and essentially have a good time. If it does well we might do more with it, if it flops it doesn't matter because the original work will be the good part. If I had a direct line to DS I'd probably give him a heads up, but I don't so I'm not worried. I also plan to try and jump around, we started with BB because that's what art we had, but I'd love to do other characters later. We'll see.
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                     On the assumption it goes well enough for you to carry on.  You may well get original artists supplying, but it may be a place for a general fan art thread.
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                        I think BB had potential. I just think DS didn't execute well. So while I don't like the game, I'm not opposed to writing the characters in short stories where I can let their personalities shine through... its a good exercise. That said, it's not my idea, FunFiction already had the art and I'm writing for him. We are actually doing a larger project and this is just a side thing to get started working together, work out and test Rich's program, and essentially have a good time. If it does well we might do more with it, if it flops it doesn't matter because the original work will be the good part. If I had a direct line to DS I'd probably give him a heads up, but I don't so I'm not worried. I also plan to try and jump around, we started with BB because that's what art we had, but I'd love to do other characters later. We'll see.
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                        On the assumption it goes well enough for you to carry on.  You may well get original artists supplying, but it may be a place for a general fan art thread.
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                        I love fan fiction as a thing, some of it is absolute crap, but some is surprisingly good.  It is the chance to live a little of the lives of characters that have been hinted at (the club night with Kira and Alice :kissingheart
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                        .  Also where a series has ended it can be the chance to carry on the story.  Sometimes with the same characters, sometimes in the same universe.
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                     I can get behind this sentiment. I always hate it when a story I like ends, whether its a short min-series or a long running thing. I'm not a big stickler for fan-fiction, but I always support extended universes. That's why we're making all our games in the
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                        I'm interested in seeing your take on DmD's D, where she gets a knock to the head that cures her of her previous brain-damage in true cartoon fashion (she's already a cliche so what's one more going to hurt?), and then maybe we can have a proper adult conversation with her. That will be worth the wait.
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                     DmD could use a total rewrite... That would be fun... My headcanon, and the only way that game works for me, is that week one, everything that happens from her arrival until the moment they reach the beachtown, zero sexual content. Though, I think I'd make it 3 full days before going to the beach town, you'll see why later. No massages, no exposed breasts, no on the lips kissing, none of it. A healthy father daughter reunion and a few days of spending purely platonic time together. We can fill the time with Elena seducing the ginger chick and stuff, just to get some action till then, but that's how I'd do that.
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                     Then, on the beach, D asks MC to help with sunscreen, and he realizes he's excited by touching her body like this while also she realizes she likes being touched by him. It ends a little awkwardly when she moans a bit, and they both freak out, MC says, he's gonna go for drinks or something. Then when he comes back the scene where the guys are propositioning her is happening, so he gets them to leave, and she's given a reason to still trust him, even though they both have these new thoughts. Then that night, the dream where he sees her pleasuring him can cause that existential crisis and it has some weight.
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                     Then later that day but before the dream and existential crisis I'd have them meet the other incest couple again, possibly by straying into the nude beach like before. Maybe they'd even catch them fucking... something to trigger the thoughts for D mostly, as I'd keep with the writing that skews her young, just I wouldn't make her completely naive anymore. A virgin, but not a complete childish angel of virtue. She'd hear the girl call out "Oh, Daddy, fuck me" or something like that, and the idea, much to her surprise won't disgust her. Then, they'd have startled the couple, ruining their moment, but being the charismatic dude that the father over there is, he'd come over to apologize that they saw that, and explain that they'd wandered onto the nude beach, that way we could keep using them to plant the seeds for D to think about it.
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                     It seems like you've saved me a long wait. That's a pretty good storyline, it holds together well and it is cool to see you use some of the original plot points to keep it resembling what people would expect from the game, not unlike remolding clay into a sturdier shape. Bravo. As much fun as it was to read here, I'd still like to see it play out for real some day, but I'm sure you've got plenty of better stories to tell now that you've already put this summary together for those with imaginations to follow. Keep at it, buddy!
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                        DmD could use a total rewrite... That would be fun... My headcanon, and the only way that game works for me, is that week one, everything that happens from her arrival until the moment they reach the beachtown, zero sexual content. Though, I think I'd make it 3 full days before going to the beach town, you'll see why later. No massages, no exposed breasts, no on the lips kissing, none of it. A healthy father daughter reunion and a few days of spending purely platonic time together. We can fill the time with Elena seducing the ginger chick and stuff, just to get some action till then, but that's how I'd do that.
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                        Then, on the beach, D asks MC to help with sunscreen, and he realizes he's excited by touching her body like this while also she realizes she likes being touched by him. It ends a little awkwardly when she moans a bit, and they both freak out, MC says, he's gonna go for drinks or something. Then when he comes back the scene where the guys are propositioning her is happening, so he gets them to leave, and she's given a reason to still trust him, even though they both have these new thoughts. Then that night, the dream where he sees her pleasuring him can cause that existential crisis and it has some weight.
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                        Then later that day but before the dream and existential crisis I'd have them meet the other incest couple again, possibly by straying into the nude beach like before. Maybe they'd even catch them fucking... something to trigger the thoughts for D mostly, as I'd keep with the writing that skews her young, just I wouldn't make her completely naive anymore. A virgin, but not a complete childish angel of virtue. She'd hear the girl call out "Oh, Daddy, fuck me" or something like that, and the idea, much to her surprise won't disgust her. Then, they'd have startled the couple, ruining their moment, but being the charismatic dude that the father over there is, he'd come over to apologize that they saw that, and explain that they'd wandered onto the nude beach, that way we could keep using them to plant the seeds for D to think about it.
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                        I'd have them trapped in the beach town for the rest of the week, rather than just 3 days. This would keep Elena out of the picture, and I could even find a reason that D didn't have her phone or something, maybe it got broken or something, so she uses MC's phone to contact Elena, because he had her number, and have her explain what happened to her mom. So that whole week, goes by, D and MC spending time alone together, sexual tension building, and finally, the night before they leave, the incest couple gives them their tickets to the dinner thing. Same as before, only now we've had a mature growth to their relationship over the last 5 days, all full of corruption of D's thoughts toward incest. None of that corruption coming from MC. In the end, it would be her who comes onto him. Her kisses, her touching... even if they don't go all the way there in the hotel, they'd get farther than a father and daughter should... The next day the nude beach would happen. Just like in the game, only since I've liberated D a lot, MC wouldn't have the drama over his trunks because he'd be nude.
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                        They return home, and see Elena for the day, but D and MC have a date that night. However, unannounced to them, her mother comes to get her, similar situation to the game's ending. She can't get ahold of D because D's phone is still broken. Elena neglects to mention that she can get ahold of MC to give them more time. Meanwhile MC and D leave their date and D is once again all over MC, this night ends with them having sex. And here I put a huge choice, Cum inside or Pull out. No matter what you choose she's going home with her mom tomorrow before you can do anything about it. But If you do it adds a plot to part 2 where not only is D hiding her relationship with you, but the fact that she's pregnant. Drama and conflict for chapter 2 doesn't come from the relationship itself but from hiding it from their mom, and more importantly, if you came inside, what do do about this child. Does D want to abort? Does MC want her to keep it? All of that would be the kind of shit that's going on all while you're trying to get her back.
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                        zero sexual content....no on the lips kissing
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                     My mother in law kisses me on the lips and I assure you there is zero sexual content there...
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                     Just saying, I see it often in these games that on lips kissing is the first line to be crossed, granted without it there is no french kisses.  Maybe it's just me, but I know many that kiss on the lips and there is nothing more to it than a greeting of people that are good friends.
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                     My whole issue with DmD is the complete childishness of all the girls both in looks and behaviour.  The potential for me was huge, but that just blew it all.  So your version of events sounds like 100% improvement.
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                        well I want to see his family go wild.. I mean lets think about His mom goes to club or something like that. And If Max find it out what will be happen ? Some kinky story would be awesome. I don't have problem with his family sex with ''strange'' guy or guys. But one thing is obvious , Ann is awesome for porn games.
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                     Ooohh this gave me a thought....
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                     Max finally gets to join Anne on set of her current film.  He ends up in a similar possision as her (tied up) only Anne is blindfolded and Max is gagged.  Like previous films Anne is taken to her limit, but knowing Max is in the film is screaming for release.
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                     Anne agrees and Kira fucks talking dirty about how she thought Michael ate her last time she was like this.  Again stopping short and getting her pleading, Kira asks "Shall I get Max now?"
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                        My mother in law kisses me on the lips and I assure you there is zero sexual content there...
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                     Sure, for a family that is familiar with one another. However MC and D haven't seen one another in 10 years, and while I know the game tells us she's 18, I can't help but say that she is at least 4 years younger. That means that they haven't seen one another since she was a toddler.
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                        My mother in law kisses me on the lips and I assure you there is zero sexual content there...
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                        Just saying, I see it often in these games that on lips kissing is the first line to be crossed, granted without it there is no french kisses.  Maybe it's just me, but I know many that kiss on the lips and there is nothing more to it than a greeting of people that are good friends.
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                        My whole issue with DmD is the complete childishness of all the girls both in looks and behaviour.  The potential for me was huge, but that just blew it all.  So your version of events sounds like 100% improvement.
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                        Regarding the phone not working while away - storm took out the masts? Or lightening caused a surge frying it while on charge, which covers it not working when she gets back from the beach?
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                        Ooohh this gave me a thought....
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                        Max finally gets to join Anne on set of her current film.  He ends up in a similar possision as her (tied up) only Anne is blindfolded and Max is gagged.  Like previous films Anne is taken to her limit, but knowing Max is in the film is screaming for release.
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                        Enter Kira with a strapon, whispering to Anne "Do you want me to warm you up for a cock?"
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                        Anne agrees and Kira fucks talking dirty about how she thought Michael ate her last time she was like this.  Again stopping short and getting her pleading, Kira asks "Shall I get Max now?"
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                        Anne "Yes, either!! I need to cum and I need a real cock to do it"
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                        Max watches helplessly as Michael enters the stage.... :evilsmile:
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                        As I said above I would see something like this as a relationship ender for Anne and Max due to her guilt.
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                     This story can be  good for the game. But Max should join after the sex with stranger. Thats more exciting .. And we should see different story from BB.
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                        Nothing random about it. Every single character in BB is 2 dimensional. Tell me a single thing about Lisa or Alice that doesn't have to do with sex? As for DmD, D goes from maybe 13 to 5 years old in her psyche and understanding of sex all the time. That's objectively bad writing. Source? I'm a writer.
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                     It's an erotic game with emphasis on sex, of course it's mostly about sex. All of these games are bad compared to J.R.R Tolkien or Stephen King, they aren't supposed to be extremely indepth storylines, that wouldn't work for an erotic game. That would make just people press down the CTRL button on RenPy, nobody wants an endless story.
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                        It's an erotic game with emphasis on sex, of course it's mostly about sex. All of these games are bad compared to J.R.R Tolkien or Stephen King, they aren't supposed to be extremely indepth storylines, that wouldn't work for an erotic game. That would make just people press down the CTRL button on RenPy, nobody wants an endless story.
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                        You aren't looking at these game objectively, you are comparing small erotic novels to writing in general.
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                        I haven't heard of any accomplished writers in the world with your username. Proclaiming to be a writer isn't a source.
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                     I have a game on this site, do you?
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                     I would compare Coceter Chronicles to J. R. R. Tolkien. In fact, I'd call it better because it does more with less. I would compare Depraved Awakening to Stephen King. I'd compare Wicked Choices to other fantasy contemporaries, like S. M. Boyce.
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                     Parental Love, Babysitter, and My Sweet Neighbors are all extremely similar to DmD, and all of them are infinitely better written.
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                     Milfy City managed to create a family in its game that has a life and personality of its own. Sara, the little sister, is a gamer, in fact she's really good, seemingly competitive level in some sort of moba by the looks of the game on the computer screen in the game. Caroline, the older sister is a business owner trying to get her clothing shop up and running, she's also a college student studying business. Your mother is a powerful business woman, running an office of her own. Whats more? Unlike the shit writing in BB each of these girls has their own motivations and experiences that are used to characterize them and determine, though story, how they will interact with the MC. All of this in the 0.1 release of the game. BB has less character in its entirety.
                     <br/>
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                     BB forces you to grind events, and commit what is legally considered sexual assault in most civilized parts of the world in order to get with the girls. Milfy City has each girl choose to be with you for their own reasons. Your mother is a pervert. She's been fantasizing about you, reading a book on seducing your son. She isn't sexually excited by your father, a fact you learn if you play the game. Sara, being an awkward geek doesn't have a lot of experience with boys, but her older brother has always made her feel special, and moreover, spends time with her, sharing her hobbies, she has a crush on him. The older sister is really protective of you. And she blames herself for getting you hard. Eventually it seems she's excited by the idea of helping get you off.
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                     These aren't things you pressure those girls into. They make those decisions of their own accord. That is possible because they're well written. To be honest, I take objection to you comparing the games to novels. Thats wrong. Games are a visual medium. As such they much more closely resemble screenplay. A tip that people writing films will tell you, is that each of your major characters should embody the theme of the story in some way. In BB,Max, Eric, and Kira all have similar motivations. They all belong in the same game. Alice, Lisa, and Ann do not. Alice is a pretty normal bisexual hot girl with a missing father. Lisa is a basic as fuck schoolgirl. The only way to explain Ann is to say that she has a serious multiple personality disorder. None of them has a motivation that is in line with the plot, which is creating Max's Harem. Eric is the villain attempting to create his own harem of Max's options. Kira is the wise teacher. She's Max's Obi Wan or Gandalf. No one else has a motivation for being a part of the game, and the game suffers for it.
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                     I could, and have deconstructed Man of the House along the same lines. I have an entire pages long thread deconstructing the problems with so called "Corruption games" that led to the addition of yet another trope to the Tropes thread about what we termed "Female player antagonist" games, because of the failure of writers to write those games in a way that makes the female character work with the Player. So yeah, I can objectively say, from a technical standpoint that Big Brother and Dating my Daughter suffer from poor writing. You can still like them. If you read my reconstruction of DmD you'd know that I'm up to date on the game because I've kept playing it. I mentioned I have a game on this site, its telling fan stories starting with the BB universe, something I'm only able to do because I played it for so long. The difference between you and myself, I am able to separate myself from my ability to critique story.
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                     I didn't deconstruct DmD here in this post, but you can go back to my post before and see how it could be improved while still hitting many of the story beats from the original.
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                        I have a game on this site, do you?
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                        I would compare Coceter Chronicles to J. R. R. Tolkien. In fact, I'd call it better because it does more with less. I would compare Depraved Awakening to Stephen King. I'd compare Wicked Choices to other fantasy contemporaries, like S. M. Boyce.
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                        Parental Love, Babysitter, and My Sweet Neighbors are all extremely similar to DmD, and all of them are infinitely better written.
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                        Milfy City managed to create a family in its game that has a life and personality of its own. Sara, the little sister, is a gamer, in fact she's really good, seemingly competitive level in some sort of moba by the looks of the game on the computer screen in the game. Caroline, the older sister is a business owner trying to get her clothing shop up and running, she's also a college student studying business. Your mother is a powerful business woman, running an office of her own. Whats more? Unlike the shit writing in BB each of these girls has their own motivations and experiences that are used to characterize them and determine, though story, how they will interact with the MC. All of this in the 0.1 release of the game. BB has less character in its entirety.
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                        BB forces you to grind events, and commit what is legally considered sexual assault in most civilized parts of the world in order to get with the girls. Milfy City has each girl choose to be with you for their own reasons. Your mother is a pervert. She's been fantasizing about you, reading a book on seducing your son. She isn't sexually excited by your father, a fact you learn if you play the game. Sara, being an awkward geek doesn't have a lot of experience with boys, but her older brother has always made her feel special, and moreover, spends time with her, sharing her hobbies, she has a crush on him. The older sister is really protective of you. And she blames herself for getting you hard. Eventually it seems she's excited by the idea of helping get you off.
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                        These aren't things you pressure those girls into. They make those decisions of their own accord. That is possible because they're well written. To be honest, I take objection to you comparing the games to novels. Thats wrong. Games are a visual medium. As such they much more closely resemble screenplay. A tip that people writing films will tell you, is that each of your major characters should embody the theme of the story in some way. In BB,Max, Eric, and Kira all have similar motivations. They all belong in the same game. Alice, Lisa, and Ann do not. Alice is a pretty normal bisexual hot girl with a missing father. Lisa is a basic as fuck schoolgirl. The only way to explain Ann is to say that she has a serious multiple personality disorder. None of them has a motivation that is in line with the plot, which is creating Max's Harem. Eric is the villain attempting to create his own harem of Max's options. Kira is the wise teacher. She's Max's Obi Wan or Gandalf. No one else has a motivation for being a part of the game, and the game suffers for it.
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                        I could, and have deconstructed Man of the House along the same lines. I have an entire pages long thread deconstructing the problems with so called "Corruption games" that led to the addition of yet another trope to the Tropes thread about what we termed "Female player antagonist" games, because of the failure of writers to write those games in a way that makes the female character work with the Player. So yeah, I can objectively say, from a technical standpoint that Big Brother and Dating my Daughter suffer from poor writing. You can still like them. If you read my reconstruction of DmD you'd know that I'm up to date on the game because I've kept playing it. I mentioned I have a game on this site, its telling fan stories starting with the BB universe, something I'm only able to do because I played it for so long. The difference between you and myself, I am able to separate myself from my ability to critique story.
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                        I didn't deconstruct DmD here in this post, but you can go back to my post before and see how it could be improved while still hitting many of the story beats from the original.
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                     Having a game on a website about porn games hardly makes you a reputable writer. That's about as reputable as anyone here posting calling themselves writers because they write in posts.
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                     Parental Love has almost no depth compared to BB, not only is the entire game focused on 1 character(the main daughter), it's an extremely short game compared to BB and DmD. Comparing them to is laughable at best.
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                     I agree that Babysitter is pretty good in storytelling perspective but again mainly focuses on 2 characters and is way too short to call it better than BB.
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                     How is the legality of how you get laid bad writing? Is every movie that has ever been made about murder also automatically garbage? Because the movie is legally questionable.
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                     You aren't really proving anything here by comparing Milfy City to BB because I have never said anything about Milfy City. Mifly City is all about family members who want to fuck you for some reason. Younger sister and mom are pretty much instantly ready to jump your dick but they can't because that would make the game short, hardly a well done storytelling. I was honestly bit disappoint with the first version but still one of the best erotic games recently put out.
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                     Here is the boildown of your arguments why BB has bad storytelling.
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                     1. The game is too grindy - Has nothing to do with storytelling but I agree it is because you can't skip full days.
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                     2. You force girls into sex - Not only fabricated, being forced into sex and good storytelling aren't exclusive.
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                     I only read about half of your novella so I am going to stop responding this time, the upper half was already garbage, I couldn't bare to continue.
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                        I only read about half of your novella so I am going to stop responding this time, the upper half was already garbage, I couldn't bare to continue.
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                     The value of your rebuttal is completely undercut by this statement, however I'll entertain you regardless. Allowing you to continue under the impression that BB and DmD are examples of quality storytelling is an utter travesty and you deserve to be taught why you're objectively wrong from a technical standpoint.
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                        Parental Love has almost no depth compared to BB, not only is the entire game focused on 1 character(the main daughter), it's an extremely short game compared to BB and DmD. Comparing them to is laughable at best.
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                     Your ignorance shines like a beacon. Mechanically speaking and plot wise, Parental love and DmD are the same exact game. It is an incest premise built on the real world fact that by separating the father from the daughter would remove the psychological impediment to them developing sexual attraction to one another. What Parental love does that DmD didn't is write cast of mature and intelligent characters with well rounded motivations and desires. This is what allowed Parental Love to believably get to the point where your proactive 18 year old daughter gives you her first blowjob in only 5 releases, rather than spending over a year slowly convincing your naive impressionable daughter that its totally normal for you to have been molesting her all this time and that she should continue to go further.
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                     Big brother had depth... for about 5 seconds and then it was completely ruined by Dark Silver's inability to write an antagonist. Furthermore, since Dark Silver couldn't write 3 dimensional characters with their own motivations and goals, he had to implement a grinding system of advancement. If he'd been able to write good characters then the path to a sexual encounter with any of the women in the game would have been a mutual thing based in story development. Which I'll touch on later, when I get to another point in your post.
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                        I agree that Babysitter is pretty good in storytelling perspective but again mainly focuses on 2 characters and is way too short to call it better than BB.
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                     I don't recall making a direct comparison between the two... In fact, like with parental love, they were all brought up in comparison to DmD. Why, they are mechanically the same. Only its an Uncle and a Niece and not a Father and daughter.
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                        How is the legality of how you get laid bad writing? Is every movie that has ever been made about murder also automatically garbage? Because the movie is legally questionable.
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                     You are framing this question in a leading way. I didn't say that writing a game about molestation is inherently a bad way to write a game. However, BB doesn't present itself as a molestation game. It acts like a romance game. It expects you to come away saying that Alice, Lisa, and Ann wanted it. It expects you to see the predatory behaviours and harassment perpetuated by Max as romantic overtures. If it had been written as a molestation game we would still be talking about how Lisa and Ann are completely 2 dimensional characters, and how Alice only trancended that position as a result of the grind elements introduced to impede your progress with her and begin your progress with Ann. However, we wouldn't be talking about how it used grind and predatory behavior to manufacture sexual content. This goes the same for DmD, which as I mentioned above, does the same thing. It wants you to see a romance between two characters, but what we are actually seeing is a father take advantage of his daughter's naivety. This is why the story is bad. We aren't convinced of the romance it is trying to convince us of.
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                         In fact, the Lisa Line is so fucking disgusting from the standpoint I hold as a human being, that I almost couldn't finish it. You see, it was self aware. Kira tells Max not to pressure Lisa into taking the next step, but in order to take the next step you have to pressure lisa into taking it. You have to corner her while she's doing dishes and make her talk to you about it. You also have to corner her in places like the bathroom to get blowjobs from her.
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                        You aren't really proving anything here by comparing Milfy City to BB because I have never said anything about Milfy City. Mifly City is all about family members who want to fuck you for some reason. Younger sister and mom are pretty much instantly ready to jump your dick but they can't because that would make the game short, hardly a well done storytelling. I was honestly bit disappoint with the first version but still one of the best erotic games recently put out.
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                     I'm sorry, you're offended by the fact that the game took the time to write characters who have motivations for having sex with you? The mom wants to jump on your dick, but not any more than any other woman who's sexually attracted to a man does. However, Sara isn't ready for that. You see, there's a thing we as humans do that is sometimes referred to as the stairway to heaven. There are a few steps we climb before reaching a sex act with a person, even on a one night stand. The stairway to heaven is used in most games. Look at DmD and you see it dragged out forever. Look at BB and its in how far each woman is willing to go before each step. The difference between Milfy City is that you didn't have to grind doing arbitratry bullshit in order to earn this sexual encounter, you didn't have to, because sex isn't a reward. Its a part of a healthy relationship. The goal of the game shouldn't be vaginal sex. It should be a continuing sexual relationship so you can revisit it after you've cum to see how you two fuck next. What depraved step, what interesting position. Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested. You fapped every time you moved further without penetration, why wouldn't you fap every time after? New postions, new locations, threesomes, almost getting caught, all these different ways to keep having sex and keep it interesting. But no, shitty devs like DS and Mr. Dots decided to make sex the reward so their game will end when sex happens with all the characters its supposed to happen with.
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                        1. The game is too grindy - Has nothing to do with storytelling but I agree it is because you can't skip full days.
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                     Grind has not purpose in the game other than to drag out the time spent playing between sexual acts. It is there to give you the illusion that you earned the sex act that follows. Honestly, you could replace the grind in this game with a maze you have to solve, or a puzzle, or fucking candy crush, and then when you complete it, give you a sex scene. Grind is the result of a developer not being able to write a reason for the characters to have sex. Dark silver couldn't think up characters who would be interested in having sex with one another, so instead he makes you earn that sex trough grind.
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                        2. You force girls into sex - Not only fabricated, being forced into sex and good storytelling aren't exclusive.
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                     This is not a separate point from the grind. It is the result of the grind. Instead of this game being a seduction/romance, as it presents itself, it is a molestation game. If the characters had been written with motivations for sexual encounters then the game would not have been a molestation game. If the game had a competent writer, the game would not be a molestation game, because the intent of the game has always been romance and seduction.
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