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                        Hey Ping! Two things I say we don't have enough of, Female Protagonists who aren't Retards in Lechertown and Futa. With the latter it doesn't even have to be a theme, just a character. I'm working on a Female Protag myself right now, but since I'm writing it it won't be something I get to really enjoy. So it would be nice to see more of us tackle the task of a good female protag.
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                     Gotta second this. A female protag that isn't a complete moron would be fantastic. Women like sex just as much as blokes do, you don't need to make her do dumb shit to get it.
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                        In a around 4-5 months the project I'm currently working on may be coming to an end for reasons I won't go into here.
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                     I don't know your previous games, but for game to be successful, I would it's much more important to have a good well thought project rather than concentrate on giving people the fetishes they want. Otherwise you will end with yet another incest game with a creep protagonist as the single male in the universe.
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                     I think that's probably not possible.
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                        Hey Ping! Two things I say we don't have enough of, Female Protagonists who aren't Retards in Lechertown and Futa. With the latter it doesn't even have to be a theme, just a character. I'm working on a Female Protag myself right now, but since I'm writing it it won't be something I get to really enjoy. So it would be nice to see more of us tackle the task of a good female protag.
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                     I am going to double on non retarded female MC. There are ways to stretch some things so it's still in believable territory if it's needed without making character a pervert from the start. Curiosity is one of those things.
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                     Here is an idea: list your own kinks and focus on things you like and enjoy.
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                     Try asking different things: What people don't want to see, be it kinks or other stuff.
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                     My main expectation is a game you wish to create. I hate when devs are trying to gather attention with fetishes they don't like. As for other things:
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                     - lot of characters but not too much to draw their emotions better. Female and male ofc as games without other males (and competitors) are usually just boring for me.
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                     What I like:
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                     Lesbians (real lesbian games, not one lesbian scene in an otherwise straight game, no MFF threesomes, no performances for a male character, the focus of the game must be on the lesbian relations)
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                     BDSM/domination
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                     Milfs
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                     Lingerie, high heels (ideally with the possibility for the player to dress the characters
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                     character customisation (of course very few porn games that have it, and it's difficult to develop, but we are allowed to have dreams)
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                     A powerful main character
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                     cyberpunk, science-fiction or fantasy setting
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                     What I don't like:
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                     Male characters (A few male MC games are ok, but for me they still pale in comparison to lesbian games. As soon as there is a second male character involved in the sex scenes, it's a no-go for me.)
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                        Just a dumb thought but shouldnt you make a game with fetishes you actually like yourself? that way you will probably be more motivated and put more thought into the game. No matter what your fetishes are you will probably find people who share them and they will appreciate the extra care you will put into the game.
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                     So, I kinda find this to simply be an ignorant statement. Ping Panda already had been developing a game based. The problem, that I'm sure you'd know if you had played his game, is that the fetish he chose was incest. Now all know that patreon is purging incest. So maybe he's crowd sourcing a fetish to see if there's something he can do instead of incest.
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                        So, I kinda find this to simply be an ignorant statement. Ping Panda already had been developing a game based. The problem, that I'm sure you'd know if you had played his game, is that the fetish he chose was incest. Now all know that patreon is purging incest. So maybe he's crowd sourcing a fetish to see if there's something he can do instead of incest.
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                        so basically you are are saing he should have just said ''hey guys, what is the fetish that patreon supports that you are willing to pledge ?''.
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                     Yeah, ok, well coming from a Dev, it's not always that easy. Don't get me wrong, there are ways to do it, but unless you have a good following like Dots or Dark silver you're not likely to be able to convert enough without an appropriate and trusted platform. The problem, I hope you know, isn't patreon, it's payment processors, like PayPal, who don't like to be associated with adult content at all, but especially taboo content.
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                     Realism is the best thing in a porn game imo.
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                        You realize that we cannot suggest "something say different" if we don't know what you are working on now.
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                     I'm looking to make a game way different to the project I'm currently working on, so my current game is irrelevant.
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                        that, and a plot the builds tension (sexual or not) without blue balling for months. Actual progression would be nice, not necessarily in an RPG way but so that it actually feels like the game isn't homogeneous that both the plot and characters are not in the same state they were when the game starts as they are when it finishes, you know an actual story.
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                     Yeah, the story is going to be the main focus of the next game, my current one relies on repeatable scenes which tents to drag as it's a sandbox(ish) game &amp; I want the next to be a VN focusing more on story than doing the same shit over and over to see a tit.
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                        Hey Ping! Two things I say we don't have enough of, Female Protagonists who aren't Retards in Lechertown and Futa. With the latter it doesn't even have to be a theme, just a character. I'm working on a Female Protag myself right now, but since I'm writing it it won't be something I get to really enjoy. So it would be nice to see more of us tackle the task of a good female protag.
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                     I've never really though of a female protag in a game, I think mainly because the person playing it is a guy so I figured they'd wanna play as a guy, although, I think the reason I say that is because I don't think I've ever played or seen a game with a female protag, so really good idea actually, might have to put this to a poll with my patrons
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                        good character build.
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                        realistic/normal  bodies .... sorry but if i see another game where its a combination of Lola Ferarri &amp; Kardashian/minaj im gonna hurl ...
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                        avoid grind and NTR/Cuck .grind could be ok as in learning a skill upto a point of a few repeats,but nothing like BB .
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                        On a lot of games where there is even the slightest hint of NTR the forum becomes an fistfight of pro's and con's and guilty pleasures and talk about double standards.
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                        a good build up , add some romance.
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                     I had a little NTR in my last game and people went nuts, lol, soon removed it in the next update, lol.
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                        Gotta second this. A female protag that isn't a complete moron would be fantastic. Women like sex just as much as blokes do, you don't need to make her do dumb shit to get it.
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                     "Piers Morgan butt fuck Rosie O'Donnell."....mmmm, such a nice thought....I mean, eww, gross, bro?
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                        I don't know your previous games, but for game to be successful, I would it's much more important to have a good well thought project rather than concentrate on giving people the fetishes they want. Otherwise you will end with yet another incest game with a creep protagonist as the single male in the universe.
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                     that's why I posted this thread, getting the research in before starting it, I don't plan on starting the game for a good few months, but looking for ideas now so I have a hint on what people want and like.
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                        Incest game with love/romance and a lot of kissing to get started with, the sex can come later.
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                        Above all a great story to go with great looking characters including the MC.
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                     My current game focuses on a love route or a domination route which I'm not really a fan of, I'm thinking removing the corruption/domination and just having a love/romance game.
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                        I think that's probably not possible.
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                        Actually the games that I enjoy most are not the games which try to cram as many fetishes (or girls) in a game as possible... Tangled Up is a good example.
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                        - lesbian (not bisexual)
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                     I like the idea of a mother/daughter romance, but I'm thinking about not having a single MC, maybe make it like the cast of friends or the big bang theory where it doesn't follow and 1 person the entire episode, make it a multicast, multi-mc game.
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                        I am going to double on non retarded female MC. There are ways to stretch some things so it's still in believable territory if it's needed without making character a pervert from the start. Curiosity is one of those things.
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                        On the fetishes stuff... Weird question. Are you going to choose whatever is more popular? I wonder why such mindset. What if 99% of people want something you find disgusting? Will you work on something you don't like?
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                        Here is an idea: list your own kinks and focus on things you like and enjoy.
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                        Unless you are a big ass studio that can go with it, which isn't the case.
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                        In my view, if you need to do forced kinks to please as many people as you can, I am more than skeptic.
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                        Try asking different things: What people don't want to see, be it kinks or other stuff.
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                     I'd say the main focus of this thread isn't really to find what other's like, it's more to see what other's suggest but I like, if that makes sense.
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                        My main expectation is a game you wish to create. I hate when devs are trying to gather attention with fetishes they don't like. As for other things:
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                        - no incest - it's hard to find something more unrealistic and silly. I know I can't expect realistic behaviours or plot in an incest game and it really kills my immersion. Not to say it's the most overused fetish we have.
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                        - character development - slow realistic burn is the most enjoyable one.
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                        - meaningful choices - well done branching is essential
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                        - lot of characters but not too much to draw their emotions better. Female and male ofc as games without other males (and competitors) are usually just boring for me.
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                     I do feel like incest is overused, but I feel that's because it's what people want, like I've seen plenty of games that don't have incest but look like they have fantastic visuals ( as I normally play for the visuals ) but I refuse to play them as it's not got what I'm looking for, which is incest.
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                     I feel if I was to make a game with good visuals, incest &amp; a really good plot/characters then it could be good.
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                     I'd love to get my visuals on par with the industry giants like LewdLab or Gumdrop, once I do that and get the plot I'm looking for, that's when I'll get started on it, but not till I'm happy with what I'm doing.
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                        What I like:
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                        Lesbians (real lesbian games, not one lesbian scene in an otherwise straight game, no MFF threesomes, no performances for a male character, the focus of the game must be on the lesbian relations)
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                        BDSM/domination
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                        Milfs
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                        Lingerie, high heels (ideally with the possibility for the player to dress the characters
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                        character customisation (of course very few porn games that have it, and it's difficult to develop, but we are allowed to have dreams)
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                        A powerful main character
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                        cyberpunk, science-fiction or fantasy setting
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                        Male characters (A few male MC games are ok, but for me they still pale in comparison to lesbian games. As soon as there is a second male character involved in the sex scenes, it's a no-go for me.)
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                        bimbos/stupid characters
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                        shota/loli, too young characters
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                        grind (with that I mean grind. I'm perfectly fine with a long story and rather slow pacing, but I don't want to play the same minigame 30 times to open some character's bra.
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                        That being said, I seriously doubtly that such a thing as "game development on demand" as suggested by the initial question is possible. Even if the majority of the users name a certain fetish, it will be hard for the developer to put it into a game if he doesn't like it himself.
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                     I'm really leaning towards doing a female orientated game, but would look into getting a lot of assistance with the writing as to how to make the females seem less "stupid", in my mind a non-stupid female would be a female with glasses, which is stupid within itself, lol.
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                     I think as I'm not a smart person myself, would be hard to get a smart character down, however, I do have a female doctor friend and she's way smart, so may get some inspiration from her xD
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                     As for sci-fi, I've always been interested in doing a game set in space with alien characters, but not sure I'd be able to pull it off.
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                        Just a dumb thought but shouldnt you make a game with fetishes you actually like yourself? that way you will probably be more motivated and put more thought into the game. No matter what your fetishes are you will probably find people who share them and they will appreciate the extra care you will put into the game.
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                     That's what I'm looking for, I'm not "in" with the terms of what some fetishes are and there are probably fetishes out there that I'm into but either don't know about them or it's been so long since I've seen them I've simply forgot about them
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                        I think, a thread were everybody says what he likes and what doesn't like, is just fine. But I also think this is smalltalk rather than any suitable help in developing a game.
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                     You got it spot on fella =]
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                        So, I kinda find this to simply be an ignorant statement. Ping Panda already had been developing a game based. The problem, that I'm sure you'd know if you had played his game, is that the fetish he chose was incest. Now all know that patreon is purging incest. So maybe he's crowd sourcing a fetish to see if there's something he can do instead of incest.
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                     Exactly, I'm testing the water and seeing what's the kids are into these days
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                        so basically you are are saing he should have just said ''hey guys, what is the fetish that patreon supports that you are willing to pledge ?''.
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                        I am going to stick with my previous comment if he creates a game with his own desires and puts the effort in it people will find away to support him.
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                     I'm not looking for fetishes that's sole peruse is to gain patrons.
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                     I'm simply trying to gather a list of what fetishes there are and see what I like and don't like.
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                     For example, I would a NEVER thought about doing a female protag game, but I actually really like the idea and is something I'd be into. If it wasn't for this thread I'd have never thought of it =]
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                        Single biggest I guess even fetish turn on for me, that is rarely ever used in any western VN I have ever played.
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                        Doesn't even need to be voice, but some thought and effort put into ambiance at least.
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                     I've been thinking a lot recently about adding voiced into a game, really don't think it would fit into my current game though but could possibly work in the next if I do it right.
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                     do you by chance know any other games that have female vocals so I can get some thoughts/research on how it's done?
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                     Also like the idea of ambiance in a game, would add a level of immersion to it.
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                     Another thing I was thinking of doing is free-standing-animations...not sure if that's actually what it's called but sounds good xD
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                     Basically when a character is stood infront of you, you can see them breathing, and tilting there head or a smile or frown ect, I think that could be pretty cool
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                     I understand your thread better now, and it is a good idea to research stuff before going deep into the project.
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                     A female protagonist is definitely a good idea, there are not many good ones around so you would stand out if you can pull it of. The idea of making a multi protagonist game is tricky, but can be done, I also can only remember one western game with it (Uprising), so again it would be something unique to your game.
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                        Do people who hate NTR hate INFIDELITY in TV shows or movies? Because there are a LOT of them now . ( i dont like both )
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                     No because i'm not playing that character on TV.
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                     As I said in other threads, if a game is wanting me to chase a woman then I expect the pay off. If the game wants me to chase a woman and then someone else fucks her, what's the point?
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                     When i'm watching a TV show i'm not that character so it doesn't matter what they do.
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                     Simply put, I don't want to be cheated on but I don't care if it happens to others. Pretty much like real life, if someone else fucked my wife i'd be a little bit angry and may make my displeasure known on his face with my feet, if someone else's wife cheats on him, unlucky son.
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                     My ex used to call me a nimby, not in my backyard. Basically as long as it doesn't affect me I don't give a fuck.
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                        Do people who hate NTR hate INFIDELITY in TV shows or movies? Because there are a LOT of them now . ( i dont like both )
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                        Anyway i like innocent women the most for some reason and MILFS
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                     It depends on the indiviual of course, but in most cases, I think no. People don't identify with characters in TV shows the same way as they identify with the protagonist of a game. No matter how fond people are of the TV show characters, they are still "he" or "she", not "I". I also don't think people would react to an NPC stealing the partner of another NPC in the same way.
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                        No because i'm not playing that character on TV.
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                        As I said in other threads, if a game is wanting me to chase a woman then I expect the pay off. If the game wants me to chase a woman and then someone else fucks her, what's the point?
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                        Simply put, I don't want to be cheated on but I don't care if it happens to others. Pretty much like real life, if someone else fucked my wife i'd be a little bit angry and may make my displeasure known on his face with my feet, if someone else's wife cheats on him, unlucky son.
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                     Thats a fair point . What about anime , manga and hentai tho ? i think those that know the term NTR and hate them stem from anime mangas and hentai .
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                     - Mini-games and puzzles do not have them repeating over and over and over and over and...you get the idea and let them actually lead somewhere if you must include them.
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                     Oversize - boobs, hips, bums, cocks, etc.  Some is laughable, but some just shatters the illusion.
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                        I do feel like incest is overused, but I feel that's because it's what people want, like I've seen plenty of games that don't have incest but look like they have fantastic visuals ( as I normally play for the visuals ) but I refuse to play them as it's not got what I'm looking for, which is incest.
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                     That's fair. If that's what you want go for it. Be careful with Patreon and avoid mentioning it in a title and it should be fine. If you can reach LewdLab/Gumdrop render's quality you can do anything as long as it's playable.
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                     As for NTR, some people who really don't like it are overly emotional and vocal which makes every thread with it a war. But numbers say their opinion don't matter as every game that decided to add it gained new Patrons. Tyrant from creator of pure incest My Legacy has over 2k and didn't have even 1k. Babysitter reached 1K patrons etc. As I observe most of the games we have, not even one lost Patrons due to NTR but many of them gained a lot. People don't know what they want and emotions based on competition are a fine tool if used properly
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                     Heh, NTR... some pseudo-journalist tried to convince me with his/her article that NTR is a very alpha male thing to do. I laughed at the stupidity and mental gymnastics they had to do and it still was retarded. Anyway, NTR can be good, depending on perspective, as I can never identify with female protagonist (more like, that weird force to fuck up her life and in case of NTR - bully the weak cuck). What I didn't see so far, is NTR from perspective of a guy that steals a wife/gf. Not exactly going for multiple women, more detailed focus on one case to not turn it into a form of trainer game. Though, some kind of revenge or fucked up reason would be nice for a starting point.
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                     This is true, people say one thing but unconsciously desire the other. Not really a secret and widely used thanks to studies, the more we know about people, easier it is to sell them things, to a point where morality of those actions is more than questioned.
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                        Heh, NTR... some pseudo-journalist tried to convince me with his/her article that NTR is a very alpha male thing to do. I laughed at the stupidity and mental gymnastics they had to do and it still was retarded. Anyway, NTR can be good, depending on perspective, as I can never identify with female protagonist (more like, that weird force to fuck up her life and in case of NTR - bully the weak cuck). What I didn't see so far, is NTR from perspective of a guy that steals a wife/gf. Not exactly going for multiple women, more detailed focus on one case to not turn it into a form of trainer game. Though, some kind of revenge or fucked up reason would be nice for a starting point.
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                     Minako, Rhode's Fortress, Tori Kago - To H..., and so on.
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                     All I am saying is: I would want to play as some wicked character, that decides to turn someone's wife into his personal slut that cheats on her husband and in the end, completely fuck their marriage and turn it all into shit. I want all small details in it, not just doing repetitive stuff to see some gauge going up. Slap some reason for it, maybe revenge or MC being a weirdo that likes the wife but gets bored after she is broken.
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                        Minako, Rhode's Fortress, Tori Kago - To H..., and so on.
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                        All of those are tagged NTR and share common theme in them (Rhode's Fortress not as much, but it is there). So, which one is it? Act of it happening or who it happens to? Because to me it looks like the first one rather than latter.
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                        All I am saying is: I would want to play as some wicked character, that decides to turn someone's wife into his personal slut that cheats on her husband and in the end, completely fuck their marriage and turn it all into shit. I want all small details in it, not just doing repetitive stuff to see some gauge going up. Slap some reason for it, maybe revenge or MC being a weirdo that likes the wife but gets bored after she is broken.
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                     Most evil protagonists in porn game are of a certain archetype: Learns a mind control spell and uses it to fuck his mother. A revenge theme would be possible, though I don't know if some developer will take risk to develop a game around it. Some possible plots:
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                     Protagonist was working for a family company in the past where he was treated badly and fired. 10 later he became a famous artist and rich in the process while his former employers went bankrupt. He offers them money but at a steep cost...
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                     Protagonist is a barbarian warlord (or better warlady) and conquers an enemy kingdom. He lets the sons and daughters of the royal couple live, but only if the queen becomes his or her personal sex slave.
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                     Protagonist grew up with abusive parents, but when the gets strong and independent he turns the tables and makes his mother his slut, while sending his father pictures or videos.
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                        Most evil protagonists in porn game are of a certain archetype: Learns a mind control spell and uses it to fuck his mother. A revenge theme would be possible, though I don't know if some developer will take risk to develop a game around it. Some possible plots:
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                     My weird sense tells me that incest may be your thing. Nothing wrong with that if you like it :]
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                        My weird sense tells me that incest may be your thing. Nothing wrong with that if you like it :]
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                     Not necessarily, I only came up with a few examples, not quite what I'd play, unless someone would make a lesbian version. Personally I play mostly lesbian games, only rarely a game with a male protagonist. I'd certainly not play porn games with more than one male character in the sex scenes, unless you can skip that content. As far as incest goes: mother-daughter incest is fine.
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                        Not necessarily, I only came up with a few examples, not quite what I'd play, unless someone would make a lesbian version. Personally I play mostly lesbian games, only rarely a game with a male protagonist. I'd certainly not play porn games with more than one male character in the sex scenes, unless you can skip that content. As far as incest goes: mother-daughter incest is fine.
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                        All I am saying is: I would want to play as some wicked character, that decides to turn someone's wife into his personal slut that cheats on her husband and in the end, completely fuck their marriage and turn it all into shit. I want all small details in it, not just doing repetitive stuff to see some gauge going up. Slap some reason for it, maybe revenge or MC being a weirdo that likes the wife but gets bored after she is broken.
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                        Some thoughts while I'm procrastinating....
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                        My understanding of terms:
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                        Netori – protagonist does the cuckolding
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                        Netorare – protagonist has the cuckolding done to her/him
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                        Motivations for netori
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                        Revenge or Spite – corruption
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                        Reason could include family/individual screwing over, but probably couldn’t be the result of a war or MC would be kept at arm’s length unless there was a shift in power.  Without the shift the MC would have had to have had the appearance of accepting what was happening to them.
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                        Long lost love or New love – romantic
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                        Ever had the feeling that boy or girl from your 1st school who you fought with/discovered they were built differently together was your natural other half or someone you’ve never met before is?  What if you meet them after you’ve committed to someone else?
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                        Both could have both paths, the one listed is the more logical.
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                        Outcomes
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                        MC fails in their advances
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                        MC messes the original relationship up but ends up without either by choice or not
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                        MC gets the boy/girl and they both live happily ever after
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                        MC gets the boy/girl and MC lives happily ever after
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                        With the outcomes the MC could do it all behind the NTR’s back or it could all or partly be played out in front of them.
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                     Is the term NTR used for both netori and netorare?
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