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                     Now, there's only a very selective few that can give satisfying sex scene. Both slider/static and animated sex scene. Now, why is this happening and keep happening ? Are they lacked of watching porn ? Are Daz (for Daz user) limiting this ?
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                         - Slider/Static Sex Scene - Big Brother
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                         Although I am a fan, I have to admit it has ugly sex posing due to no 'in between' sex posing. 1 scene penetrate, the next already ejaculate. Facial expression also bad. But I still love the game though ...
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                         Almost all games that using shitty looping technique as animated sex scene. I said almost ! Their base animation was short, but forced to became longer with looping. It's so boring. I don't know why they thing it's appealing users. All users in here are definitely watching real porn, so why bother making slow &amp; boring loop sex animation ?
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                         Example of game with Good sex scene.
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                         - Slider/Static Sex Scene - Lovely Guests
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                         Some people find it's story boring as fuck, but I like the game. Sex scene very thorough, at least so far, as not many developer pay attention or thinking it's not so important to make "IN BETWEEN" sex scene.
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                         - Animated Sex Scene - Second Happiness
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                         This game have crazy mechanic, don't play if you think Big Brother already crazy grinding games. But this developer know how to make animated sexual scenes. Of course not all animated, as many sex scene still in slider/static image.
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                     ...that goes for triple A games as well...the animations might be second happiness level but the games themselves well...let's just say none of it is close to personal preference and leave it at that.
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                     ...true words right here...the question is...does one create 10 to 20 looping animations ( 8 frames in my case) per update or one or max two 200 frame once that are awesome ( it doesn't matter if it's Daz, honeyselect or drawn art)...if you ain't planing to be on the same game 5 to 10 years later one has to make compromises. If however a game is successful with 20k per month support...that's another ball game as it isn't hard to find capable artists eager to work on commission. Quality of art aside like a good erotic book the story should raise the level of interest as it is the main difference to good old porn...
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                        Personally, I'm picky about the games I play in the first place. I'm usually satisfied by the sex scenes.
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                        People, WAKE UP !!! ... why you defending them ?
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                        In real professional world, when your rival producing something, you should felt on fire as your blood is boiled. You want to make something more better then your rival and beat them at market. I find it odd that in this community,
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                     That is the thing though, a lot of the games you see developed are not developed by professionals, but individuals or small group trying their hand at making games
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                        Another matter ... I'm not comparing them with Illusion. Do you think you have to be a big company to make a good sex scene ? Is this you people logic ? ... "
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                     Stop playing unfinished games or games made by small teams and only play games made by professionals. And it is not really anyone being okay with porn games having bad porn. It's about understanding what the developer is trying to do despite their lacking skills.
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                        What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
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                        I'm talking about talent, gift and skill. Not money.
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                     More money = more access to better and higher quality assets and programs.
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                     True that without any talent or skill, that will not mean much, but when you first start out as a hobbyist game designer making your own art, not having money to purchase assets means bad quality.
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                        My 1st brother is good making sculpture, so he make sculpture as main job. My 2nd brother is good at marketing, so he work in ads company. If they switch up job, of course they became a fool.
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                     Your argument is not necessarily true. Your first brother could very well be good at marketing but not have had proper training nor a desire or knowledge, but have a gift for it regardless.
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                     Your second brother might be very creative and marketing people usually are, so going into sculpting might actually not prove that difficult for him, even though he does not know how to use the tools.
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                     Restaurants does not sell you food, they sell you dinning experiences. Did you try everything on the menu? Maybe everything else had a wonderful taste. And true a nice leather-bound menu does make the restaurant look professional, I would say the food items on the menu is what matters, not the menus themselves. Again we know nothing about the restaurant other than what you told us about your limited experience with them. It could also have been that their regular chef was sick and the substitution sadly delivered a poor dish you on that day and that their regular chef could have made you happy.
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                        My point is, if you can't create a better &amp; satisfying sex scene, don't became porn games developer, simple as that. Porn Games = Sex Scene.
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                     How do you expect people to get better if you do not allow them to practice?
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                     According to your logic there can only be 1 person in each field of work, since if you can not create something better you might as well quit. One car mechanic in the world = long wait time on repairs.
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                        Due note : Do not mixed with Erotica Games genre. In that genre, story more important and sex scene is just additional. That's why games like The Witcher isn't called as Porn games. It's an RPG with Erotic/Nudity content.
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                     I agree that there is a difference between a porn game and an erotic game or a game with erotic content.
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                     I can agree on that too but that does not mean it should hurt to scroll through the text that's been offered but maybe I am the odd one out fancying more than a well done sex animation in order to call porn...a game.
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                     ...while mostly free especially here on F95 you should calm down and do not take any of it too seriously...that said a creative mind always strives to get better don't worry about it I am sure especially with a lot support the guy/gal that pressures him/her the most is always the developer/artist him/herself.
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                        I can agree on that too but that does not mean it should hurt to scroll through the text that's been offered but maybe I am the odd one out fancying more than a well done sex animation in order to call porn...a game.
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                     I whole-heatedly agree, as a writer myself, I value well-written text much higher than images / animations. Describe to me what the characters feels, show me what they do.
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                        That might be true for some developers that go after the money instead of creating something that they actually like themselves
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                        ...while mostly free especially here on F95 you should calm down and do not take any of it too seriously...that said a creative mind always strives to get better don't worry about it I am sure especially with a lot support the guy/gal that pressures him/her the most is always the developer/artist him/herself.
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                        People, WAKE UP !!! ... why you defending them ?
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                        In real professional world, when your rival producing something, you should felt on fire as your blood is boiled. You want to make something more better then your rival and beat them at market. I find it odd that in this community,
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                        Another matter ... I'm not comparing them with Illusion. Do you think you have to be a big company to make a good sex scene ? Is this you people logic ? ... "
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                        What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
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                        My 1st brother is good making sculpture, so he make sculpture as main job. My 2nd brother is good at marketing, so he work in ads company. If they switch up job, of course they became a fool.
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                        Once, I visit a very nice looking restaurant. The place has nice decoration and had pianist play classic music at noon, and DJ at night. But when I taste the menu, it taste so bland and it more expensive than other restaurant. A Restaurant main point is to offer a good food and drink, not decoration or providing good environment. Sure that help, but without good quality menus, they won't succeed.
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                        My point is, if you can't create a better &amp; satisfying sex scene, don't became porn games developer, simple as that. Porn Games = Sex Scene.
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                        Due note : Do not mixed with Erotica Games genre. In that genre, story more important and sex scene is just additional. That's why games like The Witcher isn't called as Porn games. It's an RPG with Erotic/Nudity content.
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                     K, I'm going to say this in as few words as possible. If you don't like the sex scenes in a game, don't play it or support it. It's that simple. I can't think of a single game I tell people to play that doesn't have pretty good sex scenes. That's the way to deal with this. There's no "shit breeding shit" if we only support the good games.
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                     Wake up, man! In a world where a graphics card costs more than a thousand dollars? You can be a great artist and writer , but without money you can do only low-grade shit
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                     the animation is a different story altogether,with a budget of two cans of beer can't do much)))) graphics even in games on the forum is now better than in many films of 90" with millions fees
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                     claims can only be to the games with money of more than 20 thousand without the development of the plot and scenes,such games are not many/with that income, I'd do this better or buy a new car:biggrin:
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                     Guys, I'm not criticize their overall quality. What I'm really criticize in this thread is only their vision and imagination of sex posing / animation. Forgive if I'm strayed from my original intent, if any. I'm not discuss the quality of render, the lack of resource/money to buy better graphic cards, the lack of human resource for quick developing. I'm not criticize that. Also, I'm not a fortune teller to able avoiding which has bad and which has good content. I'm just ordinary pervert gamer who browsing and downloading porn games. To say "
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                     Now, I'm criticize their vision and imagination to create a well satisfy sex pose. Those that I'm disappointed with is like never watch porn at all. Probably I've should talk more technical detail of what I meant for. This had no anything to do with money but the talent. Of course I'm understand that all began as a Rookie, but when usually the sex happening in later version, there's no more forgiving for them.
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                         This is good. The creator pay attention to facial expression and body language. So the image explain how she's enjoyed yet having some pain too. Everybody can make a dog style pose, but the different between them is too make one express the better one.
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                         This is boring ... unless this is the start of series picture in the sex scene. But many games stop at this step and that's pretty annoying.
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                     Bad Example (not bad quality tho...)
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                     If this the start of series of animation, it's a fine animation. But if you stop at this and make this as your main animation loop/content of the sex scene, then it's bad.
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                     For the good one, it's an Avi file. Tried convert it to gif, from 3mb became 29mb. So if you want to see it, just download that.
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                     I find it's normally as simple as reading their description and then taking a look at the screens provided. If the writing in the description shows that they didn't pay much attention to detail or depth, it's probably bad overall. If the art isn't interesting in the screens It's probably not interesting overall. You can also look at the changelog and see how much they've added and tweaked in detail from them.
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                     Except that's where most of us stop, and where you take out a thread to bash the creative teams behind what you call most games. What's worse is that you're bashing them from ignorance. I've taken out threads talking about ways to improve a game before. But in those threads It was about being constructive. Your purpose in this thread has thus far been entirely destructive.
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                        This is boring ... unless this is the start of series picture in the sex scene. But many games stop at this step and that's pretty annoying.
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                     That's actually really hot and you can see in her face how it makes her feel. Seriously, look at that expression. She looks like she's really enjoying it. Now, you're right, if that's the only image and it doesn't progress, then the dev was kinda lazy here.
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                     And here is what we are trying to tell you that your'e not understanding. Every single painstaking frame of that animation has to be reandered. Most small teams are lucky to put out a hundred good renders in a month. You would need multiple artists and great hardware to do this animation in a game and then still have a fulfilling monthly release.
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                     If you're going to sit here on a high horse and judge what's worthy and unworthy, submit yourself for judgement. Lets see you give us the quality you're talking about month to month. I'm waiting.
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                     Thank you for word the good but quality is very bad
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                     3 Mb and 30 sec that's not good idea =)
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                     Watch some porn these days and you know where that is coming from...as everything in games that may be subject to some exaggeration as well...anyways if you want to speculate about a developers love life you might wanna start a new thread...as darthseduction already said in most cases you are nowhere near truth with that statement,
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                     I can only say porn can be an inspiration for pose and ankle but as life often is it's limiting...pov for example can and should be enhanced in games so as a starting point porn may help but without imagination a scene won't differ from the next pretty fast.
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                     The same question can be asked to you, why this obsession with the quality of the sex scenes ? Why not targeting the games with bad CG, stupid story, dumb dialogs ?
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                     Honestly, most of the time I don't know what's the quality of the sex scenes in the games I play. I'm 47 years old, I had a lot of sex in my life, but I'm probably not able to say that "this" is a realist sex scene or not ; it's just that, you know, when I do it, I have other things to do that trying to analyze every single moves.
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                     So yes, are the sex scenes of the game I'm playing, realists or not ? I don't know, and I don't care. What matter for me, is that it trigger my imagination and let my fantasies running wild. As long as the said sex scenes aren't completely stupids or unrealistic it's good enough for me.
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                     I'm more concerned by unbelievable stories, and even more by dialog lines which make you cry in terror while they are supposed to be sexy ; and I don't talk about bad English. This, is a pleasure breaker, not the quality of sex scenes. And when I want to see realistic sex scenes, because sometimes it happen, then I watch a porn movie instead of playing a game.
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                     Yes, it's parts of empathy. We indulge more when it's an amateur working alone, than when it's a full professional team.
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                        What the hell the relation between able to posing sex scene with resource ?
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                     Yeah, you're talking about something that you have or not. But here's the truth, when you don't have it, you need money to pay someone who have it. And people able to do realistic sex scenes will cost you a ton shit of money.
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                     Well, a game main point is to offer an enjoyable playing time, not realistic sex scenes. Sure that it help, but without a good story, writing and game play, they won't succeed.
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                     This said, here it's a question of personal taste, and also a question of biology/mind.
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                     The fact that you didn't liked the food doesn't mean that the restaurant isn't a success. It tasted bland for you, alright. But why putting the blame on the restaurant ? It can also be your taste buds which aren't sensible enough, and you missed the subtleties of foods that a lot of other people enjoy.
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                     And the same apply for sex scenes in games. Your attention to details is more developed than the average, and you are tilted by subtlety that we don't even notice when looking at a sex scene. This while others simply just don't cares of these small details
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                     Alright, here's another truth for you: We play adult games, not necessarily porn games. Dating my daughter, Dreams of Desire, two top games both here and on Patreon. Two games which aren't porn games, two games we have a lot of reasons to play and like ; but "sex" isn't one of them.
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                     Er... The Witcher, an erotic game ???? It's just a regular game with the possibility to romance some characters. It goes further than other games, but is still far from the content expected from an erotic game. DmD and DoD, that I took as example above, these are erotic games. I see the same amount of nudity/sensuality everyday looking TV, than I can find in The Witcher.
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                     But, like implied above regarding personal taste, here again it's a question of perspective and point of view. In a full sexually repressed country, The Witcher will be seen as near to hardcore, while in other countries it will be what I said, a regular game. It's like regard of people concerning topless girls at the beach. It's mostly erotic, nearly pornographic, for some, and just natural without any sexual intend for others ; it just depend of the amount of casual nudity tolerated in the country.
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                     So true. The games that don't have this are why I became a developer. To put it simply. We aren't here playing porn games because of a fetish for the uncanny valley. Instead we are here to experience something regular porn doesn't give us. Investment. To put it in perspective. I enjoy Rule 34, or for the uninitiated, "if it exists there is porn of it" usually meaning that cartoon characters and the like have porn if you know where to look. However, I can't get off to a character I don't recognize, no matter how hot the art is. However, if I find a character I like and know well, for instance Ahsoka Tano, I can get off to some pretty mediocre art.
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                     That is what games can do as well. They can give you the same kind of emotional investment in a character that you have in a TV show or book. DmD doesn't have all the popularity it does just because of incest, it took Mr. Dots painstakingly treating us to these 2 characters lives and convincing us of their incestuous union to really get us into it. Now, Dots isn't the best at writing female characters, but he did a good enough job to simulate the feeling that D is your daughter. And that is what makes his game so erotic that despite the fact that the only penetration we've gotten so far is oral in the most recent release of ch 2. His sex scenes leave a lot to be desired usually.
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                     I presonnaly prefer playing a game through first personnal POV (more immersive). Most of sex scenes are too quick, with a lack of realism and without any real interaction with the character : you cannot change position, rythm by yourself. You're just watching....
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                     Most of the time, characters are easy to f#ck and super quick horny and slutty. So, it's a bit boring. Furthermore, where are pubic hair, resistance, doubt during the intercourse, sweat, fat, normal size dicks ??? More realism please !
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                     Top models girls are too common in games (thin, huge perfect shaped boobs, big butt, big lips, standardized vagina lips...). Average girls without being some "cliches" could bring something new and realistic.
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                     Conventionnal game : LEVEL 1
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                     - Wow mom ! You're so sexy !
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                     - Thanks honny, but I'm a bit disturbed, I'm your mom.
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                     - Mom, touch my dick and suck it !
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                     - Of course my son, I'm you mom !
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                     Intercourse : with the sluttiest and dirtiest woman you can meet, p#rnstar position, every insertion is possible, rough words...
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                        I presonnaly prefer playing a game through first personnal POV (more immersive). Most of sex scenes are too quick, with a lack of realism and without any real interaction with the character : you cannot change position, rythm by yourself. You're just watching....
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                        Most of the time, characters are easy to f#ck and super quick horny and slutty. So, it's a bit boring. Furthermore, where are pubic hair, resistance, doubt during the intercourse, sweat, fat, normal size dicks ??? More realism please !
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                     Poses POV still very little ready for use :test:
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                     normal size dicks - Many poses can not be used (It will be hard to see where he put in
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                     Poses POV with normal size dicks is also difficult to do...
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                     But it seems to me they are doing a big dick not for these reasons ( very big dick also... It will be hard to see where he put in, just read about it, there comes that moment when story trumps art :closedeyesmile::test
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                        The same question can be asked to you, why this obsession with the quality of the sex scenes ? Why not targeting the games with bad CG, stupid story, dumb dialogs ?
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                        Yes, it's parts of empathy. We indulge more when it's an amateur working alone, than when it's a full professional team.
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                     In my book, sex scenes was the peak of the game after series of story build and teasing sexual scene. The feeling is like when watching thriller movie, waiting for plot uncovered and be surprise by it. As I mention usually sex scene were happening after later version, to finally getting sex scene but low effort or lacking skilled ... for me that is very disappointed.
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                         As I said in the first post, once I'm professional 3D animator for 5-7 years. From 0 to able making decent money. Now retired as irl life changing opportunity as real estate investor. Of course as you said, I have obsession for it and pay attention to details. I love porn &amp; I love 3D. I have many times in my years as 3D animator, that when skipping detail &amp; perfection will result setback to our team reputation. The competition in my line of work are fierce and unforgiving. Of course not just 3D Animation, other line of work also have crazy competition. Once your rival get more renown as leading animator producer, the other company/3D team will have a hard time to find client. The good thing in here, we strive to make a better one and in the end, the skill gap between each production house are one step to each others.
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                         Not to mention I lived surrounded by talented artist as my big brother was a renown sculptor and he had a lot connection to wide variety of genius artist. Of course if you see from my perspective to judge our newbie games developer, I was being unfair to judge them so harsh. But what I learn from these talented artist are, they are not following the deadline, they are chasing perfection at first, then try hard as you can to reach the deadline. 1 unsatisfied client, could be 1 year or more without future project.
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                         Probably it just my unfair prejudice, but I feel in Porn games developer community, they target the deadline first then quality follows. If deadline short, make the content as it is. If the deadline longer, then you tried to add more details. I've been debate with someone in F95 before about this and he called me being spoiled kid, I just laugh about it. Some players probably think porn games in nonchalant attitude. Play it and fap then go. But behind these games had developer who really depend on it. I once live behind these kind of production, so I really in disbelieve by the lack of result that I've seen in many games.
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                         I was talking with the developer of Chloe18. He said he once an uber driver with very minimal income. He gain success with Chloe18 but doesn't want to stop in there and keep his pace on, even more faster, because 1 lazy moment could drove him off to be an uber driver again. I love GDS, that cunt. I just want these developer to being serious about their current job, like him. But probably I'm asking too much, even though it's for their own advantage.
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                         Anyways, before ended this post, once LoP (Lesson of Passion) was leading porn games developer before. But then they became lazy or lack of creativity and not having significant improvement over the year and they loosing player base. How many their artist who once so comfortable with their income now lose so much. Y3DF formerly porn comic creator start making games and pretty much awesome with their work. Their sex scene is top quality and story still as you said "concerned by unbelievable stories" but they start gaining momentum. The Porn Industry are blooming and if today developers not sticking their reputation through high quality content, they will be forgotten and begone.
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                         Real world is unfair. Look that game, The Family Secret by Aorrta. Just a very short content, but strive to be perfect. Only for 1 short "demo", his thread already visited +400k time. When talented 3D artist &amp; story writer or Porn movie maker saw the opportunity of this community, they will come in fierce, burying old developers who didn't comply to quality content.
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                        In my book, sex scenes was the peak of the game after series of story build and teasing sexual scene. The feeling is like when watching thriller movie, waiting for plot uncovered and be surprise by it. As I mention usually sex scene were happening after later version, to finally getting sex scene but low effort or lacking skilled ... for me that is very disappointed.
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                            As I said in the first post, once I'm professional 3D animator for 5-7 years. From 0 to able making decent money. Now retired as irl life changing opportunity as real estate investor. Of course as you said, I have obsession for it and pay attention to details. I love porn &amp; I love 3D. I have many times in my years as 3D animator, that when skipping detail &amp; perfection will result setback to our team reputation. The competition in my line of work are fierce and unforgiving. Of course not just 3D Animation, other line of work also have crazy competition. Once your rival get more renown as leading animator producer, the other company/3D team will have a hard time to find client. The good thing in here, we strive to make a better one and in the end, the skill gap between each production house are one step to each others.
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                            Not to mention I lived surrounded by talented artist as my big brother was a renown sculptor and he had a lot connection to wide variety of genius artist. Of course if you see from my perspective to judge our newbie games developer, I was being unfair to judge them so harsh. But what I learn from these talented artist are, they are not following the deadline, they are chasing perfection at first, then try hard as you can to reach the deadline. 1 unsatisfied client, could be 1 year or more without future project.
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                            Probably it just my unfair prejudice, but I feel in Porn games developer community, they target the deadline first then quality follows. If deadline short, make the content as it is. If the deadline longer, then you tried to add more details. I've been debate with someone in F95 before about this and he called me being spoiled kid, I just laugh about it. Some players probably think porn games in nonchalant attitude. Play it and fap then go. But behind these games had developer who really depend on it. I once live behind these kind of production, so I really in disbelieve by the lack of result that I've seen in many games.
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                            I was talking with the developer of Chloe18. He said he once an uber driver with very minimal income. He gain success with Chloe18 but doesn't want to stop in there and keep his pace on, even more faster, because 1 lazy moment could drove him off to be an uber driver again. I love GDS, that cunt. I just want these developer to being serious about their current job, like him. But probably I'm asking too much, even though it's for their own advantage.
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                            Anyways, before ended this post, once LoP (Lesson of Passion) was leading porn games developer before. But then they became lazy or lack of creativity and not having significant improvement over the year and they loosing player base. How many their artist who once so comfortable with their income now lose so much. Y3DF formerly porn comic creator start making games and pretty much awesome with their work. Their sex scene is top quality and story still as you said "concerned by unbelievable stories" but they start gaining momentum. The Porn Industry are blooming and if today developers not sticking their reputation through high quality content, they will be forgotten and begone.
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                            Real world is unfair. Look that game, The Family Secret by Aorrta. Just a very short content, but strive to be perfect. Only for 1 short "demo", his thread already visited +400k time. When talented 3D artist &amp; story writer or Porn movie maker saw the opportunity of this community, they will come in fierce, burying old developers who didn't comply to quality content.
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                        I'm not trying to dismantle our porn games developer community, I just want them to pay attention to perfection from the side of 3D graphic. I don't have the capability as story writer critics, that's not my expertise, or game platform engineer. My basic is 3D animation.
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                     A lot of the developers are hobbyist artists / writers / coders trying to break into the game creation scene and that is fine. The issue is people's expectations. Working a 40 to 80 hour job and then spending a majority of your free time developing a game is fine. You are a hobbyist, expectations should be as such. Especially if you have no or very little income from the game project.
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                     I do agree that if a developer is making 5000$+ USD every month a certain quality should be expected as you would not need to work a full-time job outside of the project and as such would have a lot more time to work on the project, not to mention a lot more resources to hire artists / writers / coders and provide a better product.
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                     So expectations towards sex-scenes should be at the level of the developer and the budget the game have. Free game from a hobbyist should not be compared to what is essentially a "AAA" porn game.
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                        In my book, sex scenes was the peak of the game after series of story build and teasing sexual scene. The feeling is like when watching thriller movie, waiting for plot uncovered and be surprise by it. As I mention usually sex scene were happening after later version, to finally getting sex scene but low effort or lacking skilled ... for me that is very disappointed.
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                            As I said in the first post, once I'm professional 3D animator for 5-7 years. From 0 to able making decent money. Now retired as irl life changing opportunity as real estate investor. Of course as you said, I have obsession for it and pay attention to details. I love porn &amp; I love 3D. I have many times in my years as 3D animator, that when skipping detail &amp; perfection will result setback to our team reputation. The competition in my line of work are fierce and unforgiving. Of course not just 3D Animation, other line of work also have crazy competition. Once your rival get more renown as leading animator producer, the other company/3D team will have a hard time to find client. The good thing in here, we strive to make a better one and in the end, the skill gap between each production house are one step to each others.
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                            Not to mention I lived surrounded by talented artist as my big brother was a renown sculptor and he had a lot connection to wide variety of genius artist. Of course if you see from my perspective to judge our newbie games developer, I was being unfair to judge them so harsh. But what I learn from these talented artist are, they are not following the deadline, they are chasing perfection at first, then try hard as you can to reach the deadline. 1 unsatisfied client, could be 1 year or more without future project.
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                            Probably it just my unfair prejudice, but I feel in Porn games developer community, they target the deadline first then quality follows. If deadline short, make the content as it is. If the deadline longer, then you tried to add more details. I've been debate with someone in F95 before about this and he called me being spoiled kid, I just laugh about it. Some players probably think porn games in nonchalant attitude. Play it and fap then go. But behind these games had developer who really depend on it. I once live behind these kind of production, so I really in disbelieve by the lack of result that I've seen in many games.
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                            I was talking with the developer of Chloe18. He said he once an uber driver with very minimal income. He gain success with Chloe18 but doesn't want to stop in there and keep his pace on, even more faster, because 1 lazy moment could drove him off to be an uber driver again. I love GDS, that cunt. I just want these developer to being serious about their current job, like him. But probably I'm asking too much, even though it's for their own advantage.
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                            Anyways, before ended this post, once LoP (Lesson of Passion) was leading porn games developer before. But then they became lazy or lack of creativity and not having significant improvement over the year and they loosing player base. How many their artist who once so comfortable with their income now lose so much. Y3DF formerly porn comic creator start making games and pretty much awesome with their work. Their sex scene is top quality and story still as you said "concerned by unbelievable stories" but they start gaining momentum. The Porn Industry are blooming and if today developers not sticking their reputation through high quality content, they will be forgotten and begone.
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                            Real world is unfair. Look that game, The Family Secret by Aorrta. Just a very short content, but strive to be perfect. Only for 1 short "demo", his thread already visited +400k time. When talented 3D artist &amp; story writer or Porn movie maker saw the opportunity of this community, they will come in fierce, burying old developers who didn't comply to quality content.
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                        I'm not trying to dismantle our porn games developer community, I just want them to pay attention to perfection from the side of 3D graphic. I don't have the capability as story writer critics, that's not my expertise, or game platform engineer. My basic is 3D animation.
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                        Probably it just my unfair prejudice, but I feel in Porn games developer community, they target the deadline first then quality follows.
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                     Perhaps were you lucky, but deadline is what matter in a lot of jobs, and it matter even more when you are independent. Whatever the quality of their production, if they miss too many deadlines, they'll also loose half of their pledges.
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                     You'll probably have difficulty to find clients if the quality of your production isn't good, but you'll surely have a real hard time to find clients if you never stick to your deadlines. I know it, I was independent for twenty years. It was pretty hard at first, I did really great works, too great works... Whatever they decided or changed in the future, my code would still works. But because of this I almost never met a deadline. It's only after two years that I understand that, in the end, only the client's satisfaction matter. And what the client want is something which works as expected and is done on time... I stopped making piece of art, met almost all the deadline, and never ever had hard time to find clients. It was a compromise and that's what they wanted.
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                     It's the same here. There's some shitty creators who make poor looking games, but earn a lot of money and have almost fanatics supporters, just because they never missed a single deadline. And at the opposite, creators who stick to quality have a real hard time to earn more than $200/month, because they can't reach the deadline most of the time ; or when they do, the update is small.
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                     Mostly people don't care about the quality of the sex scenes. Is it a good or bad thing, I don't know, it's just like that. Just look at the actual result, 65% think that it's not a big deal, so creators tend to follow the trend, especially if it help them earn more money.
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                        If deadline short, make the content as it is. If the deadline longer, then you tried to add more details. I've been debate with someone in F95 before about this and he called me being spoiled kid, I just laugh about it.
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                     I don't want to be harsh, nor insult you, but if I should judge you by your position on this subject, I would probably have said the same ; just said it in a more polite way.
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                     I don't know if you are one or not, and it's not my concern anyway, but your position on this subject seem to be one of someone who can't stand little imperfections. It's your right, I know that myself I tend to be triggered by bad code... but I mostly keep it for me. I learned the hard way that life's really too short to be bothered by this kind of things ; I see the code, internally yell in terror, then pass to something else.
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                     Doing bad code, making bad sex scenes, is what the creator of the game do. Perhaps on purpose because he's lazy, perhaps because he can't do better. I'm not someone important enough to judge him on this, nor to try to change this. I helped some of them, will help more in the future, but in the end it's their choice, and it not my role to judge them for this.
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                        Anyways, before ended this post, once LoP (Lesson of Passion) was leading porn games developer before. But then they became lazy or lack of creativity and not having significant improvement over the year and they loosing player base.
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                     Honestly, I never liked their production. Even back at their great time, I always found them lazy and rushed. The CG weren't bad, but that's all they had for them and it's far to be enough for me.
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                     This said, we don't look at the same things when we look at a game ; you look at the 3D, I look at the code/user interface. So, that we don't have the same judgement isn't surprising.
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                     Perhaps that they just don't care this much. For most of them, it's a passion which something also lead to a living. I think that, as long as they can continue to do their passion, the other aspects don't mater for them. Of course, it's great to be able to live doing your passion, but that's not the point when it come to passion.
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                     There's a lot of people who have a passion and dedicate all their free time to it, without a single chance to make a living from it. Patreon have made it possible for adult games creator to earn money doing their passion, it's the only difference.
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                        Real world is unfair. Look that game, The Family Secret by Aorrta. Just a very short content, but strive to be perfect. Only for 1 short "demo", his thread already visited +400k time. When talented 3D artist &amp; story writer or Porn movie maker saw the opportunity of this community, they will come in fierce, burying old developers who didn't comply to quality content.
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                        I hear you, Jake Paul.
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                        Of course I cannot upload my old movie production. It's the same as open my real identity as a pervert. But I've been working with a short incest novel, that if the big guys in the F95 Discord say it acceptable story, then I will make the comic first. Then if people love my comic which to test my quality in Story + Dialog creation and Animation poser, then I will start to learn the software of game platform.
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                     Seriously man, quit with the masculine posturing and dick measuring. I'm simply saying until you can show that you can give a consistent quality release on a month to month basis with the demands you have, I don't want to watch you swing your dick around like you're the God of what the industry standard should be.
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                        I hear you. And not to drag everything out further, but it really seems like we all kind of agree that there are some low quality games out there for one reason or another. Benn, if I understand what you're getting at now, it's more that there should be pride in ownership and the quality of your product as a developer.
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                        Seriously man, quit with the masculine posturing and dick measuring. I'm simply saying until you can show that you can give a consistent quality release on a month to month basis with the demands you have, I don't want to watch you swing your dick around like you're the God of what the industry standard should be.
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                     No your critiques have been refuted time and time again by the numerous people responding to you because you are asking for something that simply isn't possible. As for my skills as a writer, unlike your lack of demonstration of art, you can find multiple threads on this board where I critique failed writing, and in each of those I make suggestions on how to improve the writing. You see, with writing I can actually demonstrate my abilities here in the forum. However, give me a couple days, the first published work of mine is having its code fine tuned and will be up soon. I'm also writing on two games that will be available in a couple months, one of which I had to prove my skill to work on.
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                        Seriously man, quit with the masculine posturing and dick measuring.
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                        a. Sex Scene - b. Story - c. Asset (3D model &amp; Environment, Character appearance &amp; clothing) d. Faster Release.
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                     my ranking would be...: A: a unique story...B: graphics that match ( maps/pics/assets ) C: bug testing...( lately every release seems to have 3 to 4 bug-fix versions...a mistake is only human but that is well...too much) D: Sex scenes ( including build up and description that fit well into the game ) and in last place date of release...sometimes it's needs a little longer to be well done most prominent example being summertime saga.
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                        My critics are legit, and people know that. Other who comment try to explain why it's happening also legit. We have good discussion in here to clear the air of the situation.
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                     No one has a problem with you voicing your opinion but demanding graphical improvements using capital letters and rhetorical questions does not help to create a constructive environment for a discussion I mean look at your poll...no option for those who might think all is fine...not that I am one of them..there is always room for improvements on that we can agree...but after all the good arguments made in this thread it should be clear why no project is perfect and probably never will be. Aortta's game might be a flash of brilliance to you but it is also a good example that different people like different games...in the end it is probably a good idea to...
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                        So for me, sex scene is an important aspect, the key of porn games. But what the people think of the utmost important of porn games ? ... for the start, what do you think important the most ?
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                     For me, what really matter is the most difficult part, the writing. The story can lack of depth, the dialogs can lack of constancy, the CG be average, if the writing is good, I'll be hooked to the game. Just because, despite it's possible flaws, a good written game forms a coherent ensemble, and the radiating feelings achieve to build a bond between the player (at least me) and the game. It's the case by example for
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                     . The game can be better. The dialogs sometimes feel strange, the CG can have been more polished, but there's this little something in the writing which make you have feelings for the characters.
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                     After this came the dialogs, too many games with a possibly interesting story fall because of totally unrealistic dialogs ; it's the case of
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                     . The CG are good, the story have potential, but the dialogs are so incredible that I can't find it interesting ; it feel like a fan fiction wrote by a 13 years old princess. It's also an example of bad writing. This moment where the main character send her sister out of the room because she'll remove her clothes... and let her sister enter again when she's with just her underwear. The author don't though deep enough about the whole scene. That the MC don't want to change in front of her sister, alright, but not in this particular case. They planed to sleep together, sharing the same bed, and just agreed, not reluctantly, that they'll sleep in their underwear. So, no, in real life you'll not send your sister out of the room while you just remove your shirt and skirt.
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                     Then come the accuracy between the CG and the scene, but not necessarily in a "realistic" way. I prefer a game with average CG, but where the pictures are part of the action and their details tell you something, than a story with amazing CG but which are just like painting used to justify the "visual" in "visual novel". Take
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                     , by example. The 3D can be better, but there's a scene where you know exactly what one of the character think, just by looking at her eyes. The eyes... This and the mouth, are the most forgot parts of the body. Whatever the character is happy, ashamed, frustrated, angry, or whatever else, they are always looking right in front of them... And when the mouth change, most of the time it's on the portrait, not on the scene itself. At least with 3D CG, when it come to 2D, there's more use of these two parts which tell so many thing about the situation.
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                     There. Everything you've said in this thread condensed.
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                     The quality of the sex scenes in games has never stuck out as especially bad in the sense that most other aspects (story, characters, dialogue, etc) are usually worse. Then again, it's porn--I'm not really expecting much more. Most of the time, I'm only interested in the setup: I'll happily fast-forward through the dialogue and sex scenes. The game is just a springboard for me to imagine the rest.
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                     I do not agree... Currently i'm creating an Adult Visual Novel, that is my aim. It's not a porn game. It will have nude/porn scenes in it, yes.
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                     Personally it's about innocence, suspense and the tease/wait for the sexual act. If it's still images then it's fine, it's more about the...  ah finally he gets the girl or she gets the girl etc... If the animation is short and well timed or place i'm all in. The camera angles and lighting is very important. Dreams of Desires has this down to a tee... I also love his DOF he uses.
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                        My point is, if you can't create a better &amp; satisfying sex scene, don't became porn games developer, simple as that. Porn Games = Sex Scene.
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                     In the gaming world, each year, release a game or more that getting praised by the community world wide. The praised game became the new standard of quality, for example GTA5 as standard of open world games in 2013. Then comes the Witcher 3 in 2015 as the new standard. Then currently Zelda Breath of the Wild in 2017. So I have my own preference of what games that set as minimal standard to each genre. VN ... this game, Sand Box/Open World/Sim game ... that game. Each people had different preference but 1 think for sure, guaranteed that games is good.
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                     In my point of view, Sex Scene was the peak of the moment. If the story of rapist, how can the dev make a really terrifying rape scene. If it romance story, how the dev can make a really good romance sex scene.
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                     Thats the wrong question. No matter how great your climax it matters not if you don't have a great prologue and rising action to lead to it. If you want a game with a story then you have to accept that story should come first. The art could be better in most games, you'll not find an argument there. What is the problem that we are running into is the limitations of our status as indie developers. With time and money to develop a game, we could create an industry standard for the art. However, because the art in most of these games is made by a single person with a day job and an average system there's only so much that we can do.
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                     Devs like Palmer, Faerin, GDS, LewdLab, Ptolemy, are almost never on. The reason I bring this up is to reiterate to you, your message isn't going to the right place. If you want to tell a developer that their art could be better, you have to tell them personally. If you want to improve the community overall, you either have to go to each dev, or you need to create on your own. I have a problem with the story in most games. As a result I'm creating 2 games, both in my personal favorite categories, with what I feel is better writing than the normal fare. That is how I plan to change the community.
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                     i was curious when i saw the initial topic posted, and decided to read into the comments.
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                     because well yes, some sex scenes are .... not good.
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                     but im also keeping in mind, a lot of there artist are first timers.
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                     trying something new.
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                     and as far as i see 99% ask for feedback.
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                     be it here, or patreon, or their own websites.
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                     because they want to give a good product.
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                     but to actually make it ...
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                     there are developers looking for writers, artist etc etc to work with them on their project.
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                     for rendering alone you need a damn good PC/vid card
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                     i have seen a lot of developers on here, describing the process of a single render.the hours needed,days even in some cases !
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                     being original with their story ,new art, avoiding to be a clone of DMD.MOTH,BB and all other chewed out story lines aint easy,but most of all it takes time.
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                     so if any new artists post something here for the masses,be supportive,atleast they are trying.
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                     constructive criticism will always be more helpfull then bashing people for the work they did,they are only human,and for some a simple 2dcg they spend months of work on alone ,can mean more to the creator ,then 1 of those mass produced big team products that are in it for a fast buck
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                     DMD is a perfect example for me of a type of story/porn game i like. I can understand where you coming from, although i think your standards are set very high for yourself.
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                     DMD has been taking us along a story where two people are falling in love and they are both anguished knowing full well that it's actually wrong but cannot help themselves. They may as well have not been family member could have been a good friend of the protagonist who's younger daughter fallen for him and vice versa. In that game it's not all about fuck fuck fuck but rather the journey.
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                     Spot on mate... Here's a render from my upcoming game. I have many of these and yes they take a long time to render.
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                        i was curious when i saw the initial topic posted, and decided to read into the comments.
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                        because well yes, some sex scenes are .... not good.
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                        but im also keeping in mind, a lot of there artist are first timers.
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                        trying something new.
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                        and as far as i see 99% ask for feedback.
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                        be it here, or patreon, or their own websites.
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                        because they want to give a good product.
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                        but to actually make it ...
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                        there are developers looking for writers, artist etc etc to work with them on their project.
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                        for rendering alone you need a damn good PC/vid card
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                        i have seen a lot of developers on here, describing the process of a single render.the hours needed,days even in some cases !
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                        being original with their story ,new art, avoiding to be a clone of DMD.MOTH,BB and all other chewed out story lines aint easy,but most of all it takes time.
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                        so if any new artists post something here for the masses,be supportive,atleast they are trying.
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                        constructive criticism will always be more helpfull then bashing people for the work they did,they are only human,and for some a simple 2dcg they spend months of work on alone ,can mean more to the creator ,then 1 of those mass produced big team products that are in it for a fast buck
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                        Thats the wrong question. No matter how great your climax it matters not if you don't have a great prologue and rising action to lead to it. If you want a game with a story then you have to accept that story should come first. The art could be better in most games, you'll not find an argument there. What is the problem that we are running into is the limitations of our status as indie developers. With time and money to develop a game, we could create an industry standard for the art. However, because the art in most of these games is made by a single person with a day job and an average system there's only so much that we can do.
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                        Celebrate the great, let the less great fall away. Nothing you say in this thread is going to reach the artists personally. Most of them aren't even here. Those that are are usually contained to their game's thread. There are a handful of devs that are more active in the overall community, but they are far and few between. Hell, even on the Developers Hub, a place where a bunch of us are there to share ideas and ask for help when we can't quite get something the way we think it should look, only about 20% of us are active.
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                        Devs like Palmer, Faerin, GDS, LewdLab, Ptolemy, are almost never on. The reason I bring this up is to reiterate to you, your message isn't going to the right place. If you want to tell a developer that their art could be better, you have to tell them personally. If you want to improve the community overall, you either have to go to each dev, or you need to create on your own. I have a problem with the story in most games. As a result I'm creating 2 games, both in my personal favorite categories, with what I feel is better writing than the normal fare. That is how I plan to change the community.
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                        DMD is a perfect example for me of a type of story/porn game i like. I can understand where you coming from, although i think your standards are set very high for yourself.
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                        DMD has been taking us along a story where two people are falling in love and they are both anguished knowing full well that it's actually wrong but cannot help themselves. They may as well have not been family member could have been a good friend of the protagonist who's younger daughter fallen for him and vice versa. In that game it's not all about fuck fuck fuck but rather the journey.
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                        That to me is perfect and over the time MrDotss realized his graphic quality have to improve also.
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                        I would love for you to review the game i am currently creating, i think a perspective such as yourself will either deter me or encourage me from creating it. Will I give up, NO as i love doing it. It's up to the user to decide if they like it or not.
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                     I actually think it's a failure of Mr. Dots' storytelling that he uses sex as the reward the way he does. If I'd written the story D would have lost her virginity before going home. The drama could very well have continued, especially if you came inside of her. The way I would have done it, the sex would have been the moment he realized for certain, he loved her, and therefore getting her back wouldn't have been a question. The story as it continues in her country would be just as viable if they'd had sex. The major difference is that D would be a more mature character.
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                        I actually think it's a failure of Mr. Dots' storytelling that he uses sex as the reward the way he does. If I'd written the story D would have lost her virginity before going home. The drama could very well have continued, especially if you came inside of her. The way I would have done it, the sex would have been the moment he realized for certain, he loved her, and therefore getting her back wouldn't have been a question. The story as it continues in her country would be just as viable if they'd had sex. The major difference is that D would be a more mature character.
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                        To me when i watch a movie or play a game, it's the anticipation that i love and once it's reached i always wonder how will the story continue, that to me is the crunch.
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                     Don't get me wrong, DmD is somewhat enjoyable, but my favorite game is Coceter Chronicles, in which I've had full on penetration sex with my favorite character at least 4 times already. The idea is to keep the drama going. Like I said, with DmD, Mr. Dots was able to continue the drama into a sequel by taking D away from him. In this way, the goal becomes, instead of, getting with D, getting D back. What could have made the story infinitely more interesting is if he'd had sex with her on the "boxing trip" and then been given a choice to cum inside or outside. Then the story could have been about D learning she was pregnant just before MC makes it there, and how not only does she have to hide the fact that she's seeing you still, but also has to find a way to keep her mom finding out she's pregnant.
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                     I'm not even that into impregnation, btw, I just think it would make for a good story. She could decide to abort because she's too young, or MC could encourage her to keep it, if he's into that. But it would have been another layer of drama to hide. Especially because you could use Elena's Father, make him have to hide it, or the other creepy doctor could blackmail MC. So many story possibilities. But instead, Mr. Dots decided to drag the stairway to heaven out indefinitely.
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                     the thing with DMD is that the D has been raised a sheltered life.
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                     almost impossible if you look at her friends ( Jennifer , Elena ) but in her interactions, and how she develops it kinda makes sense.
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                     her mother/stepfather never take her anywhere.
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                     if it was a short lived project they would have had done it within ep 1.
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                     that is what i like about DMD and DfD .theres a plot, not a slam bam thank you ma'am .
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                     that makes it interesting to keep playing the second new content comes out ,and not just about how the MC can corrupt more random women for his own lust.
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                        he has the other female characters to help him with that .
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                     Kinda ruins the point of the love story if you're fucking around behind her back.
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                        that is what i like about DMD and DfD .theres a plot, not a slam bam thank you ma'am .
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                     I agree with DfD, it does a great job with a slow build, however DmD jumped the shark early. Had I written it the first time any sexual content would have arisen would have been the first day on the beach town when you apply sunscreen to her. That would have been her sexual awakening and it would have added weight to the existential crisis he has that night. All the kissing and tongue and peeping that happens before that would have been removed in favor of a romantic plot. Sex to keep the perverts watching would have been told with third person narration, involving characters like Elena, similar to how she is used, but without the need for a cheating route, though that could also be left in.
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                     When they have sex after 2 weeks of spending every night together, the last week getting closer and closer, it would feel earned. Then, like I mentioned in the other post, CH 2 would also have a plot. You see. The sex in these games should serve the plot, not as a reward. A good explanation of that would be to play Parental Love. The dad and daughter in that game have made it to their second blowjob by this stage already, and I still believe in the romance it's building. You don't have to drag it out, you just have to treat it with respect.
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                        Kinda ruins the point of the love story if you're fucking around behind her back.
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                     Harem !
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                        That would have been her sexual awakening and it would have added weight to the existential crisis he has that night.
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                     i absolutely agree with those options within the storyline, he could have done that to speed things up and avoid the cheating routes.
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                     and yes he might has added it to keep the perv's happy and coming back for more, who knows.
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                     thing is , people are discussing the game more on how it could run, different views,or how they would have it done.
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                     people arent bashing it,or complaining it, they discuss it.
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                     there is no complaining about grind, or repeated scenes .
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                     it was made as if he wanted people to talk about it ,and not just play it. that on its own , together with DfD ,wicked choices and Dreaming of Dana ( waiting for the final version before playing ) and a handfull of other games is remarkable.
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                        Harem !
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                        i absolutely agree with those options within the storyline, he could have done that to speed things up and avoid the cheating routes.
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                        and yes he might has added it to keep the perv's happy and coming back for more, who knows.
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                        thing is , people are discussing the game more on how it could run, different views,or how they would have it done.
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                        and that is actually what makes the game good.
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                        people arent bashing it,or complaining it, they discuss it.
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                        there is no complaining about grind, or repeated scenes .
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                        it was made as if he wanted people to talk about it ,and not just play it. that on its own , together with DfD ,wicked choices and Dreaming of Dana ( waiting for the final version before playing ) and a handfull of other games is remarkable.
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                        i absolutely agree with those options within the storyline, he could have done that to speed things up and avoid the cheating routes.
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                        and yes he might has added it to keep the perv's happy and coming back for more, who knows.
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                        thing is , people are discussing the game more on how it could run, different views,or how they would have it done.
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                        and that is actually what makes the game good.
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                        people arent bashing it,or complaining it, they discuss it.
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                        there is no complaining about grind, or repeated scenes .
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                        it was made as if he wanted people to talk about it ,and not just play it. that on its own , together with DfD ,wicked choices and Dreaming of Dana ( waiting for the final version before playing ) and a handfull of other games is remarkable.
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                     Apart from story, your last question is impossible to answer. Take for instance Wicked Choices, the game opens at the end of a summer of flirtation between the MC and his Niece when they finally fuck. One of my own games opens with a violent sexual assault on the MC. As for too long, well again that depends. Blooming Love still hasn't had a full sex scene. The older sister did finally go down on the younger sister, but she passes out after her orgasm, and it hasn't carried on from there yet. Personally, I think there's a way to keep sex going in your game without necessarily adding all the more toxic tropes most games have.
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                     D for me is perfect apart from the ass too obnoxiously big for her body. Elena's tits could maybe twice the size and not more. However her head is way to big for her body, same with Jenifer. Elena's body is killer and in a way better shaped than D's ...
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                        Quick question, are you guys into this whole oversized tits and butts that some models have in games?
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                     no i hate it, its unnatural,and having dated a girl with large breasts they dont like it themselves,backaches people staring, guys hitting on them,wardrobe issues.
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                     and those large fake butts... sorry not for me.
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                     yes everybody has his own standards, i just like it normal, a balanced body .
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                        I know that it doesn't say final, but apparently Ptolemy said the last release was the final. I might have been mistaken, I was reading Kinney's reaction to it, not the actual post
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                     as for on patreon hes done with DmD he has to focus on Melody also to keep his page open and patreon of his back as far as i remember .
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                        That said, there are other ways to have sex in your game without going all the way. In my first game I plan on having both the male and female MC end their day with a masturbation scene wherein they imagine the other one is the one touching them, which means that I'll be able to show you the two characters in a sexual situation on day one, but, they won't be actually consumating their relationship until it makes sense for the story.
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                     excellent idea !
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                     thats a good way to bring in the story  !
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                     i havent caught up yet on blooming love, i will wait a bit more on the story development,but like that its in a slow pace.
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                     as fro the girls in DmD . i think he made those proportions on purpose.
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                     to give Elena a small framed body ,but the lust &amp; drive of mainly any teenage boy between the age of 16-19 is to counter D's timid life and to awaken stuff ( i think ) jennifer is a bit in the middle, she wants to be like Elena and is a head of D .
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                        as for on patreon hes done with DmD he has to focus on Melody also to keep his page open and patreon of his back as far as i remember .
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                     I find DoDana difficult to progress and kinda long winded. I must just sit and play it. Ive heard it's actually really good. So far it's ok for me.
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                        Quick question, are you guys into this whole oversized tits and butts that some models have in games?
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                     Ds or DDs (or anything smaller, of course) don't bother me. Anything larger is a total boner killer for me. Fake tits (anything that looks like someone stapled a baseball or other spheroid to a chest) are a boner killer for me in general, but I guess there are people out there that like them. I've never really identified a character with a fake ass, so that must not bother me as much. I'm definitely turned off when I see toothpick skinny girls with titanic ta-tas and butts, though.
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                        I must say even if the game is good, i just don't like lazy graphics.
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                     There are a couple games that do this fairly well (like darth said), but mostly I agree with you. My biggest pet peeve is when the characters' scale starts to become out of proportion with the scene because of this. After Invasion is a laughably bad example of this.
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                        Ds or DDs (or anything smaller, of course) don't bother me. Anything larger is a total boner killer for me. Fake tits (anything that looks like someone stapled a baseball or other spheroid to a chest) are a boner killer for me in general, but I guess there are people out there that like them. I've never really identified a character with a fake ass, so that must not bother me as much. I'm definitely turned off when I see toothpick skinny girls with titanic ta-tas and butts, though.
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                        I agree it depends on the scene and the pacing of the game on when a sex scene can be introduced. I'm planning on including day one scenes with two characters in my game, but both are characters the MC has known and interacted with for years. At a minimum, there is also longstanding romantic tension with both baked in.
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                        The point of this is to gather developer and prove their point, refute my idealist and solve the trend. If I'm going one by one, not only it's tiring, I have to met with their white knight. If you follow the posting, it's heat yet we try to find the common ground. Also I'm not grandstanding, I felt the bitter of real life too much when my effort lack on something in professional world. I hope you understand where my idealist came from. I just want the professional attitude brought to this developer community. Whereas if the developer already use their 100% effort or not, I don't know, that's why I'm make this thread.
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                     I've said in the first place that the critics are for games that reach more than 6 months of developing or v.06 and so on. Earlier version still don't have sex scene yet, so I'm not criticize fresh newbie. Where I came from, companies usually give 3~6 months of trial, so that became my principle.
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                     there was a reason why i made that former post.
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                     i do agree with benn that there are plenty of bad scenes and such ,but as i have stated before for a lot of people it is a learning experience.
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                     Benn even admits to not having the skill to begin with.
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                     that pisses me off.
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                     you cant criticize things if you dont know how to do them better yourself,or at all.
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                     the current games out there arent perfect, lots need work and are still in development.
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                        I've said in the first place that the critics are for games that reach more than 6 months of developing or v.06 and so on. Earlier version still don't have sex scene yet, so I'm not criticize fresh newbie. Where I came from, companies usually give 3~6 months of trial, so that became my principle.
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                        I'm criticizing the 3D posing+expression/animation and camera blocking in sex scene, not criticize their asset (model &amp; texture), rendering quality, story and dialog writing. Many comments in here thinking that I criticize the render quality, which lead to monetary issue (need expensive monster PC). Even old PC don't have problem in posing and camera blocking.
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                        First time working in 3D Animation, I have 0 knowledge of it. I was accepted because the boss is my brother's friend, not because I have skill. My practice is by doing the job while learning the very basic and also lot of lacking sleep time to watch YouTube 3D animation tutorial. I've got pay $60 per month for 6 months. After 6 months, the boss feel I'm acceptable as junior animator, get better income after that. It's not grandstanding story, it's a survival story.
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                     Okay, now you make an even-handed post and this I can respect. First time developers don't usually have enough experience with their engine to create smooth and beautiful animations nor believable or realistic ones. Most of the time the struggle is in learning enough about it to accomplish what you want it to do.
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                     I agree that block-switching from one pose to the next is jarring - and usually the dialogue is just there to help the viewer transition as well. Other times it can be that the developer just doesn't have the time to draw individual frames.
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                     I do see where you're coming from (at long last). It was your first few posts on this matter that ruffled me the wrong way. I would like a good example of what you've accomplished so far, though.
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                        That depends greatly on the view point of the Player, and what motivates them to play a particular game.
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                     Why are there so many bad sex scenes in games? Because most of the games posted on this website are done by amateurs, a lot of the games are their first games. They don't have any writing, animating or even 3D modelling background, they are doing everything from the scratch, it's more of a hobby where they hope to get rich quick but aren't sad if they don't.
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