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                     I'll be perfectly honest and get it out of the way: My kinks are more in the extreme - rape, abuse, incest, bestiality.
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                     Since patreon, porn games have exploded. I'm just curious how creators are managing with the new rules in place. Does it look like all games will be as vanilla as possible to not offend the patreon overlords or what?
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                     Yes, there are. Its just that they are new and noone knows how reliable they are and/or charges more what patreon does. Not to mention the matter of convenience if trust wasn't enough. I'm afraid Patreon is forced to do this. Like someone already suggested (and i support the idea, but still this is just suspicion) its paypal who is behind this so it matters not how much money Patreon earns, it is now commited to make things vanilla. Its a US based company after all and i'm afraid it doesn't wanna risk huge courtfights over this.
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                        There are already reports that Patreon actually checks those links and they find incest in the game, just hidden behind a code, they terminate all the same.
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                     I wish I was into vanilla stuff. But I'm not. I'd rather do something else, which might just be what's gonna happen. Thanks for the info!
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                        Are you only going to advertize using adwords or do you have an alternate strategy? One of the things that could help your initiative is luring big-name adult creators to your platform, they could be the standard bearers for an exodus from Patreon so to speak. I think community outreach, like you do on F95 (and maybe elsewhere), is even more important than pouring money in the Google Adwords soup.
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                     Thanks for the advises! We will see what we can modify on our homepage to improve it.
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                     We already contacted Dark Silver from BB and Dark Cookie from Summer Time Saga. Dark Silver for now will let BB in standby. Dark Cookie said that when our platform has more projects and grow a little more, he will migrate the project. MrDots we tried to contact, but he does not respond. If someone has his contact on discord, I will be thankful if someone introduce me to him.
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                     We do not have yet any material with adult content to place in our banners. That is why is the banners are generic, but focused in Games and Comics. That is something that we say in the homepage. Maybe it is not clear enough.
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                     The layout that we made was basically almost the same as Patreon. Because we have only one project there, we didn't place any into homepage, but this feature to put random projects on the homepage is already implemented, just not released yet.
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                     The reason to make the navigation looks like Patreon is because the users are already used to navigate that way.
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                     Thanks very much for your advises. We are glad that are people trying to help.
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                        About the fees, for now, we will stay with Payza that is a good and reliable payment system and it was the lowest fees for adult content that we found. [...] Currently we are investing in advertise and adwords.
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                     While I understand that it's a big deal for both creators and supporters, I think that the fees is the less important thing at start. You found an operator which don't have indecent fees, its already better for creators than having no way to earn some money.
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                     As for the ads, have you tried to contacts creators of the most popular games ? As a starting service, and a service dealing with our money, what you need the most at first is raising your reputation. Having well knew creators trusting you, even if they also keep their Patreon account, will help for this. In the same times, like Patreon hit a little harder each day, they're probably willing to open an account somewhere else, even if it's just to be ready in case Patreon finally kick them out.
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