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                     Hello,
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                     I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
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                     Here we are, on a forum where we have the chance to get for free so many games because some "lunatics" decided to pay and share their links with us. And then we find hundreds of message to bash/insult the dev.
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                     I understand that we can see the forum as a way to promoting the game, which is why so many dev themselves interact here, then it can lead to critics, which is good.
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                        I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
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                        Here we are, on a forum where we have the chance to get for free so many games because some "lunatics" decided to pay and share their links with us. And then we find hundreds of message to bash/insult the dev.
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                        I understand that we can see the forum as a way to promoting the game, which is why so many dev themselves interact here, then it can lead to critics, which is good.
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                        Sharing thoughts and critics are the best way to inform potentials supporters (patrons) and if we think that a game is not worthy to be financially supported. But lately, it became only thrashing talks how the dev is a lazy liar, a milk man, a crook....whatever.
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                        If you are a patron, a forum user and feeling scammed, you unpledge and inform others of your misadventure and then you go on the road rage on patreon...why here?
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                        And why so many free user, use this forum to unload their rage toward devs for who they don't pledge for and keep going on and on, and even, attack other users who don't agree with them ! You don't like the game anymore or beleive the dev is no longer a good one, just drop the thread..
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                        I like this place but it became  more bitter and angry that it used to be.
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                     it seems that twitter, instagram, thousands of political/religious/social forums and every news site are not enough to satisfy the need to spread and express the hate.
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                        Hello,
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                        I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
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                        Here we are, on a forum where we have the chance to get for free so many games because some "lunatics" decided to pay and share their links with us. And then we find hundreds of message to bash/insult the dev.
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                        I understand that we can see the forum as a way to promoting the game, which is why so many dev themselves interact here, then it can lead to critics, which is good.
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                        Sharing thoughts and critics are the best way to inform potentials supporters (patrons) and if we think that a game is not worthy to be financially supported. But lately, it became only thrashing talks how the dev is a lazy liar, a milk man, a crook....whatever.
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                        If you are a patron, a forum user and feeling scammed, you unpledge and inform others of your misadventure and then you go on the road rage on patreon...why here?
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                        And why so many free user, use this forum to unload their rage toward devs for who they don't pledge for and keep going on and on, and even, attack other users who don't agree with them ! You don't like the game anymore or beleive the dev is no longer a good one, just drop the thread..
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                     First of all, saying ''You don't pledge, you don't get to....bla bla bla'' is no argument. Secondly, those devs deserve NO praise at all. There's only a handful who deserve any praise, since the rest ARE milkers and scammers, probably not deliberately but being lazy or stupid is no excuse. I had no of feeling of this change or what you describe, since most of the people on here basically lick developer *** on a daily basis, so do the mods. FFS, you have threads on here who are dedicated to fan art for games like, and may Allah forgive me for uttering this name, Dating my Daughter. This game is the prime example and people still don't learn. So if there is a indeed a shift then that's a good thing.
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                     Ok i hear you, well; if you don't pledge you can indeed express your view as the dev is not good. Just say that, you don't need to trash him/her as the last piece of shit of humanity ! Also i don't say to praise the dev either, i don't care, what i say is what is the point of ONLY negative post over and over?
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                        Ok i hear you, well; if you don't pledge you can indeed express your view as the dev is not good. Just say that, you don't need to trash him/her as the last piece of shit of humanity ! Also i don't say to praise the dev either, i don't care, what i say is what is the point of ONLY negative post over and over?
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                        I praise critics !! this what makes things better but calling names is not.
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                     Well, insulting a developer straight to their face - or via messages like on the internet - is indeed harmful and can stress him or cause other things to him that might lead to unproductiveness and general personal harm. I agree with you on that.
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                     What's the point of constant positive (in most cases *** licking) feedback, though?
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                     Positive comments are ridiculous overwhelming on here and also in general on Social Media and other online platforms.
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                        First of all, saying ''You don't pledge, you don't get to....bla bla bla'' is no argument. Secondly, those devs deserve NO praise at all. There's only a handful who deserve any praise, since the rest ARE milkers and scammers, probably not deliberately but being lazy or stupid is no excuse. I had no of feeling of this change or what you describe, since most of the people on here basically lick developer *** on a daily basis, so do the mods. FFS, you have threads on here who are dedicated to fan art for games like, and may Allah forgive me for uttering this name, Dating my Daughter. This game is the prime example and people still don't learn. So if there is a indeed a shift then that's a good thing.
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                     Have you noticed that no serious dev come here to this forum anymore?. The last one was to come here to give support was DS and he got destroyed by the NTR fanboys and the milking patrol. This place has become so toxic that sooner or later devs start to think their time should be spent elsewhere rather than arguing with people who haven't rendered a single image or coded a single line in their lives. Devs are human beings who've chosen or want to make adult games for a living, yet here people steal their games, bash them, call them whatever you want to call them and make them feel like they're the criminals when in fact we are. My 2 cents.
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                        Have you noticed that no serious dev come here to this forum anymore?. The last one was to come here to give support was DS and he got destroyed by the NTR fanboys and the milking patrol. This place has become so toxic that sooner or later devs start to think their time should be spent elsewhere rather than arguing with people who haven't rendered a single image or coded a single line in their lives. Devs are human beings who've chosen or want to make adult games for a living, yet here people steal their games, bash them, call them whatever you want to call them and make them feel like they're the criminals when in fact we are. My 2 cents.
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                     *really weird and uncomfortable smile going on*
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                     Oi, what's going on in here? I see a lot of things I like, this is good.
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                     Well, let's take a look in random order.
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                        As moderators, what we do is we take action against posts deemed to be blatantly against the first rule - be respectful to other members. But it's a slippery slope that runs awfully close to censoring so we act against the posts that we deem are the worst offenders.
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                     I agree, personal attacks are lowest of low (though, funny to watch when people throw shit at each other), but shitting on a product is fine. Pointing out issues with product is fine, I guess that slippery slope starts when conclusion of shown issues points at the developer. Most of the time it's the case.
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                        Feel free to use the magic button and shut it down...my desire was not to open the pandora box and i hope it will remain civil and we can understand each other as adults but hmmm..
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                     If not for the Pandora's jar reference, it wouldn't be as good. You literally fell under same reasoning for starting the thread as Pandora when she decided to open it [the jar]. It's a beautiful comparison in this context, I will give you that.
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                        And my point is a thread should be about the product and not a mono maniac focus about the dev !
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                     What if bad product is a result of a dev being bad? We avoid conversation to not hurt dev's feelings? Pat them on the head like a kid that can't understand? Become fanboys and defend all his/hers actions, good and bad? While I will agree that there is difference in "you're shit" and "your product is shit", one can be result of another.
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                     Anyway, what kakhauf is saying here, I agree and nothing to add, just to point at. Saving space in a long post.
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                        "In fact there should be no peace"?  No matter what you or I think, there are people who like games that other people don't and they benefit from developers interacting with.  What right does anyone have to make the kinds of decisions you're making on behalf of all 4,200+ members (unless you own or run this forum)?  YOU not liking something doesn't mean that no one should be able to enjoy it.
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                     I think you didn't got the point. There should be no place for devs that are: lazy, don't care, just want to milk money and so on, those types. And thanks to them, ricochets easily hit other, honest and hard working devs, those however should just continue what they are doing, actions and time will be the best way to prove who is wrong and who is right. Much better than words and promises.
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                        And this is something that has only be increasing. I dont know where the toxic behavior started but its definitely become a virus on here and spreading. I personally dont like to punish users or have to ban them. Since it has been getting worse, harsher actions have been taken.
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                     Erm... "I do not upload or touch RPGM games", I wonder why? It may be a wild guess, but isn't the reason of it that a lot of RPGM games are just crap? Often created to milk money, badly designed and badly made. And it's not the engine's fault, it's the developer's fault. They are ones to blame. More people start realizing and they keep bashing on it, more and more and more. This is where it starts, this toxic behavior, it gets to a point someone needs to express it in every single post, spreading like a virus. Don't get me wrong, it's fully justified and I understand it. Just answering.
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                        Hello,
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                        I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
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                     Just like that? Without a reason at all? Damn, assholes everywhere...
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                        Here we are, on a forum where we have the chance to get for free so many games because some "lunatics" decided to pay and share their links with us.
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                        And then we find hundreds of message to bash/insult the dev.
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                        I understand that we can see the forum as a way to promoting the game, which is why so many dev themselves interact here, then it can lead to critics, which is good.
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                        Sharing thoughts and critics are the best way to inform potentials supporters (patrons) and if we think that a game is not worthy to be financially supported. But lately, it became only thrashing talks how the dev is a lazy liar, a milk man, a crook....whatever.
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                     First sentence sounds like you are trying to setup something, hmm...
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                     Meh, probably got it wrong. Anyway, yeah, there is a lot of thrashing and? When you have a lot of people doing what they are being accused of, you will see a lot of it.
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                        If you are a patron, a forum user and feeling scammed, you unpledge and inform others of your misadventure and then you go on the road rage on patreon...why here?
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                     Dunno, to inform as many people as possible? If for some reason their "feels" (ugh) were correct, it will save money of potential customers.
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                        And why so many free user, use this forum to unload their rage toward devs for who they don't pledge for and keep going on and on, and even, attack other users who don't agree with them ! You don't like the game anymore or beleive the dev is no longer a good one, just drop the thread..
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                     Oooooh, so that's what that sentence was for. So you were actually setting it up.
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                     So, they didn't pay for it. Want to fight piracy or something? Do you know how you fight it? By creating things people want to pay for and support.
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                     But yeah, you didn't pay for it, you played it, realized it's shit to milk money, now shut up, don't say a word and be a good boy.
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                     If you think the project is a scam and want to bash it, meh, go for it. If it wasn't a scam in the end, you were wrong, if it was, you were right. Whole story.
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                        I like this place but it became  more bitter and angry that it used to be.
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                     Sounds like Internet to me...
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                     I like that I see some white knights here and there, may be because game they liked got bashed and they need to rise their shield. They may be right or just fanboys, people will judge actions of the dev over time.
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                     They are calling you a lazy dev? A milking scammer? Maybe be more open about your work time? Your progress, what your are doing and so on. Support it with stuff. But if you can't or are disappearing for 3 months without any contact, it does seem weird, don't be shocked people jump to conclusion.
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                     Scammers and lazy idiots won't be able to show much, because they don't do shit. That's often the concern. Just like a company needs to answer to their shareholders and financial contributors, to not disappoint them, you have to answer to your financial supporters. Sure, maybe you want to share it with supporters only, that's fine. But if someone gives money to access it and sees same lack of anything, then there is the problem.
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                     People don't start massively shitting on something just because they are assholes. There is always a reason for it. Just because genuine thing gets hit by it as blast radius is big, doesn't mean they don't have means to prove those accusations are wrong.
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                     First of all as a dev I can say that both is important, the good feedback and the negative (if it is constructive) feedback.
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                     Of course some people like this fetish more than that or this art more than the other and so on. It's like always a matter of taste, which can't really be argued about.
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                     Some negative feedback is just over the top, yes some games or devs "might" deserve some harsh words, I'm not saying there aren't any who do. But some devs just started out with all that and are trying to create something fun and enjoyable but aren't yet skilled enough, they need time. Most games in here are not finished, meaning they are early access. EA means the whole quality can change until the game is finished by a lot! BUT most devs (No I'm not defending those crybabys) already threw their work out the window because they couldn't handle all the negative feedback before getting better.
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                     So yeah, it should both be in moderation, meaning of course you can tell them their game is shit, but please TRY to explain why you think it's shit, is it the artwork the game is lacking in? Or is it the story? Is it the grammar or maybe the content? Many players think all the adult games have to be porn games, which is wrong, some are erotica which build up slowly to the sex instead of like in porn games where it's: *WOW look at that ass!!!* "Hey babe come here let me fuck your face" - "Oh sure, why not, get your boa constrictor out and I'll suck you to heaven!"
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                        Well, insulting a developer straight to their face - or via messages like on the internet - is indeed harmful and can stress him or cause other things to him that might lead to unproductiveness and general personal harm. I agree with you on that.
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                        What's the point of constant positive (in most cases *** licking) feedback, though?
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                        Positive comments are ridiculous overwhelming on here and also in general on Social Media and other online platforms.
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                        The positive comments do absolutely nothing on here.
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                     Yeah asskissing might not be the right thing to do either, it's stupid to praise a game over the top. But to say positive feedback doesn't do anything is stupid too. Like with the negative feedback it should be in moderation and if possible with some explanation. "Woaaah that game rocks!!!" doesn't help that's for sure, but neither does "You're a fucking patron milker!" So if there would be something like: "Hey the story so far is pretty awesome, but the art could be better!" It would for one don't look as bad and horrible for the dev AND it would help him improve his work by dedicating some more time to the art while he can keep the storytelling as is. He or she has a target to improve then, instead of nothing but insults and "asskissing" as you said.
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                     ... Doesn't mean you have to act like a dumb prick and climb on the shit train neither. As much as I agree with you on devs randomly disappearing for several months you can read tons of dumb comments about each one's opinion (the NTR war among other examples)
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                     I like how you deem someone being a white knight, shall I call you a virtual bad boy?
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                        ... Doesn't mean you have to act like a dumb prick and climb on the shit train neither. As much as I agree with you on devs randomly disappearing for several months you can read tons of dumb comments about each one's opinion (the NTR war among other examples)
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                        On a personal note, I think that you're overall more naturally inclined to highlight bad critics about something rather than the positive aspects but yeah there's a difference between free bashing (eg. I consider judging a game being or bad just based on the ntr fetish useless) and real critics.
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                     Yeah, I have no idea about this whole NTR war, sounds already cringy as fuck, I want to see it
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                     So many valid points here, and we might agree on most of them in fact..
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                        What if bad product is a result of a dev being bad? We avoid conversation to not hurt dev's feelings? Pat them on the head like a kid that can't understand? Become fanboys and defend all his/hers actions, good and bad? While I will agree that there is difference in "you're shit" and "your product is shit", one can be result of another.
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                     I have no desire at all to protect the devs, if they are a bad, it needs to be said and why. What i do not understand is the dozens and dozens of messages which just stated : is a milker, is a lazy bastard, is an ass..and nothing more.
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                        First sentence sounds like you are trying to setup something, hmm...
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                        Meh, probably got it wrong. Anyway, yeah, there is a lot of thrashing and? When you have a lot of people doing what they are being accused of, you will see a lot of it.
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                     What's the point of trashing plan and simple? Attack the game by proxy the dev is fine but just attack the human being is pointless; it's just a personal lash out to express hate...like you can insults every other drivers on the highway, it might calm you but ain't productive at all.
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                        But yeah, you didn't pay for it, you played it, realized it's shit to milk money, now shut up, don't say a word and be a good boy.
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                     Not paying doesn't mean you can't  make some critics, you have every rights to give your point of view, but focus your critics only/always on the money issue is kind of ironic, don't you think?
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                        What i do not understand is the dozens and dozens of messages which just stated : is a milker, is a lazy bastard, is an ass..and nothing more.
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                        So many valid points here, and we might agree on most of them in fact..
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                        I have no desire at all to protect the devs, if they are a bad, it needs to be said and why. What i do not understand is the dozens and dozens of messages which just stated : is a milker, is a lazy bastard, is an ass..and nothing more.
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                     If I think that someone is an asshole, I am not going to write a damn backstory why. I am just going to call them that. Some people just drop what they think and move on. Justified or not, they just do it. People are different, but very vocal if something rises their concern. I wonder if devs that are considered good/ok/honest/whatever are getting this? Is it a new dev? Well, blame all idiots before you, then use your own hands to prove them wrong.
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                        What's the point of trashing plan and simple? Attack the game by proxy the dev is fine but just attack the human being is pointless; it's just a personal lash out to express hate...like you can insults every other drivers on the highway, it might calm you but ain't productive at all.
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                     So you are saying, that doing something that calms you down, while driving a car isn't productive? I don't know, but isn't calm driver more safe on the road and by proxy, making it better for rest of users on that road? Just wanted to point that out as it's a really bad example...
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                     I wouldn't say personal attacks are pointless, it's something people do when they want to attack but have no arguments. Ignore it, they will go away if you don't give them a reaction, at that moment it's pointless, you give them reaction - not pointless. Just looking at it from different perspective.
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                     And no, you can try changing people all you want or sift, but in the end, some will still come, world is big as fuck.
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                     Unless you are doing what they accuse you of, people aren't that dumb and will hit hard if they feel like it.
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                        Not paying doesn't mean you can't  make some critics, you have every rights to give your point of view, but focus your critics only/always on the money issue is kind of ironic, don't you think?
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                     You know why we don't have as many demos from big studios those days? Because it takes money for them to release something for free. So some people pirate it to check if it's worth the money, if it's not, they don't give a fuck. And it's such a pain in the ass for them, because that could be another person spending $60 on a game. Not everyone returns all crappy games. Sure, there are those that never wanted to buy it or can't afford to buy it. Those aren't customers, but potential customers.
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                     To explain it better: I go to a shop, test a TV there, decide it's shit [because] and write on the web: It's shit [because], it makes it less valid? And I may not explain why, just want to share what I think.
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                     But you are saying they go for money argument. Well, maybe it's valid? Maybe they are jealous? Maybe they are concerned about other's people's money? Maybe they are just dicks and go for easiest target? You don't know, maybe just ask them why they think like that? Why is it always: Before you write, do this and that. Why people asking for this don't go around and start asking every single person why they are angry at this or that?
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                     Because it's easier to say "please, just do this", just like for some it's easier to write: it's bad.
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                     I just say how I see it, based on what I know.
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                     I think the negativity against a dev topic goes a lot deeper. In general it's part of the process of how our communities change. The higher - faster - wider sort of thinking. Or in other words why a lot of people just have a mentality of 'F'k dat shit dev, nud gonna waste 10 seconds to think bout wut I'm gonna write now bout dat moddafokka'. They just don't care about anything.
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                     And this mentality shows up in a lot different ways. The flaming and insulting is one them. Others are laziness or impudence or both combined. An example for that is how people go into threads and write comments like 'sav ples'. Just that, even an 'Hey there, could anybody share a save game please?' is too much. When I see such comments and how many posts those people have written so far it's rarely more than a handful and probably of the same kind. I just wish to have an instant 'delete this member button'. But unfortunately it's part of our today's community (in general, not just here in the forum).
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                     Horny kids equals 0% common sense.
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                     I think the majority of the people who complain(or to say it better, act like pathetic idiots)are teenagers or young adults who are only interested in seeing the "good stuff" in the adult games on this site.
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                     And think that Adult games are just like a video on Pornhub where they can get a quick fix and go on with their "life".
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                     But the moment they play an game an realize they actually need to put time into a game to get some scenes and development is very slow (at best) with these games... They rage because they can not get to see the good stuff.
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                     Same goes for the people who are bombing this site around a time of a new release of a popular game and ask if the game is out yet before checking it out..
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                     Same goes for the people who ask questions on a topic and the answer is just a couple posts above it or easy to find with the Search button.
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                     All boils down to this (for me).
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                     These days Teens can get everything they want in a heartbeat...
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                     -Want to see a movie?, 1 click away.
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                     -Want to see porn, 1 click away.
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                     -Want to order some food, 1 click away.
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                     -Want to play some c.o.d, 1 click away..
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                     So a lot of them don't have the patience anymore to put some real effort in to something, and the moment they need to...They don't like it because they are not used to it..And they will act like a spoiled little brat in a supermarket who isn't allowed a candy...
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                     Rather lazy then tired...
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                        o explain it better: I go to a shop, test a TV there, decide it's shit [because] and write on the web: It's shit [because], it makes it less valid? And I may not explain why, just want to share what I think.
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                     So basically you say, that is what it is because it is, so what the fuck and shut up or not, it doesn't matter, or is it?
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                        Erm... "I do not upload or touch RPGM games", I wonder why? It may be a wild guess, but isn't the reason of it that a lot of RPGM games are just crap? Often created to milk money, badly designed and badly made. And it's not the engine's fault, it's the developer's fault. They are ones to blame. More people start realizing and they keep bashing on it, more and more and more. This is where it starts, this toxic behavior, it gets to a point someone needs to express it in every single post, spreading like a virus. Don't get me wrong, it's fully justified and I understand it. Just answering.
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                     I hate them due to all the extra software that has to be installed to be able to patch them or play them. Also on top of that, even if you do apply a patch to make it in English. It still may not work.
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                     And here's part of the problem. You shouldn't argue about fetishes, but still it's mostly what's done and from where come a big part of the "not wanted (in here) comments". How many, "the author is shit", happen right after the said author added a small touch of NTR in his game ? I took NTR as example because it's the fetish which generate the more passion, for and against it, but it apply for almost all the fetishes.
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                        So basically you say, that is what it is because it is, so what the fuck and shut up or not, it doesn't matter, or is it?
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                        Well you got a very fatalist view , i can relate
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                     They way you are describing this, makes it sound kind of nihilistic... And I am neither, it's just text isn't that good at expressing stuff.
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                     But no, I don't say sit there and accept it like a bitch. If you can prove those accusations are wrong, prove it. If someone is attacking you personally, ignore them (though, maybe engage? Bring your biggest guns? Make a nice shitshow? People enjoy a good shitshow, I know I would
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                     ) or you can talk to them, ask "why?". There is a lot that can be done, even a different approach may be a thing.. But don't try changing people, it's a stupidly long propaganda process you can't do.
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                        I hate them due to all the extra software that has to be installed to be able to patch them or play them. Also on top of that, even if you do apply a patch to make it in English. It still may not work.
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                     Extra software? You mean RTPs? True enough for all RPG Makers other than MV - there is no RTP, all comes in one package. Even better, it can strip unused assets so size isn't as big. But... You know that a dev can include all needed RTP when it comes to old RPGM versions? Even strip unused assets. So why not go to extra length and make it easier for people? Yeah, just give them link to RTPs and we are done. Also, glad that MV doesn't have that problem, whole idea was good, 15 years ago, now it's not.
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                     On the English issue... Why do we need a patch? Why isn't it released in English? Guess whose fault it is?
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                     Yep, Japanese devs, most of them don't give a damn about global/western market. There is a cultural reason for it that I am not going to dig into right now.
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                        Wtf are you saying? My point was to say it's actually pointless to tell someone he's a white knight of the internet if he gets valid arguments. At first I thought you were talking about El bacca about that but I might have misunderstood you, maybe you were talking about some other posts you've read before
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                        I like that I see some white knights here and there
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                     Oxford dictionary: white knight - A person or thing that comes to someone's aid.
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                     Nothing about arguments being valid or not, nothing about pointing my finger at someone. It's the term "white knight" that has it's connotations to it. If you defend a friend, you are his white knight, what's wrong with defending a friend? Or things you like? But the idea of asking someone if you should call them [insert something here] made me laugh, that's all
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                        And here's part of the problem. You shouldn't argue about fetishes, but still it's mostly what's done and from where come a big part of the "not wanted (in here) comments". How many, "the author is shit", happen right after the said author added a small touch of NTR in his game ? I took NTR as example because it's the fetish which generate the more passion, for and against it, but it apply for almost all the fetishes.
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                        We are a community (players of adult games) made of communities (feet fetishists, NTR lovers, incest lovers, etc.), themselves splitted in communities (RPG Maker lovers, Ren'py addicts, etc.). Theoretically, we can live together because no one have a single fetish and no game focus on a single fetish. But in practice, more and more people come here, thinking that their own taste is the only reliable one and that they must defend it at all cost, while destroying anyone who don't share it.
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                        People act as selfish brats. They think that, because the dev talk with them (which is the case on Patreon and sometimes here), then he also owe them something ;
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                     That's very true, people are damn selfish. Company analogy I brought earlier works well here. You answer to your shareholders/money daddy, there is an idea that needs monetary support and it needs to be delivered. Everything that goes beyond that idea is not part of the agreement. Most of the time you must prove it's a valid change to make. But relationship between pledgers and creators most of the time isn't the same as you see in business *cough cough* paypal pressuring patreon *cough cough*. It's also a different model than just selling a game. There are good points to it (example: communication that you don't have with big companies) and bad points (example: people demanding more than agreement was about).
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                     That's why companies have PR people, they know how to talk with customers. As a creator, being friendly and active is important, at the same time you need to know when to stand your ground or you will be eaten alive.
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                        But obviously, the number of lines can't be a criteria for moderators. In the old good time, when the net was just starting its life, the rule on Usenet was to read a "sub" (what's the exact English name ?) for 15 days before posting. It was the rule because each "sub" had its own culture, its own rules, and spending two weeks just reading helped to learn them. There's already the "three posts before creating a thread" rule, perhaps that a "X days with a connection before posting a message" isn't a bad idea...
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                     Yeah... It was back then. Now I would expect people to sit for 15 days and then shit on something. New times require new approaches.
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                     Btw. Yes, let's do IQ tests before registration. Better, let's assume every non constructive comment is an underage brat and ban them on those terms. No, wait, let's go further, every negative comment gets a ban. It's a damn purge time and after we are done, we can get soap, water, make some bubbles, maybe have a campfire going, sing a song or two. It will be awesome, all non productive stuff goes out and we will achieve... What do we want to achieve? Never mind, it will come up anyway. I fully support this.
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                        It's easy..
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                        Horny kids equals 0% common sense.
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                        I think the majority of the people who complain(or to say it better, act like pathetic idiots)are teenagers or young adults who are only interested in seeing the "good stuff" in the adult games on this site.
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                        And think that Adult games are just like a video on Pornhub where they can get a quick fix and go on with their "life".
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                        But the moment they play an game an realize they actually need to put time into a game to get some scenes and development is very slow (at best) with these games... They rage because they can not get to see the good stuff.
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                        Same goes for the people who are bombing this site around a time of a new release of a popular game and ask if the game is out yet before checking it out..
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                        Same goes for the people who ask questions on a topic and the answer is just a couple posts above it or easy to find with the Search button.
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                        All boils down to this (for me).
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                        These days Teens can get everything they want in a heartbeat...
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                        -Want to see a movie?, 1 click away.
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                        -Want to see porn, 1 click away.
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                        -Want to order some food, 1 click away.
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                        -Want to play some c.o.d, 1 click away..
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                        So a lot of them don't have the patience anymore to put some real effort in to something, and the moment they need to...They don't like it because they are not used to it..And they will act like a spoiled little brat in a supermarket who isn't allowed a candy...
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                        Rather lazy then tired...
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                        I am only active on the lesser populair games on this site because if you try to have a normal converstation on a topic like Big brother, Dreams of Desire, Teachers pets (to name a few).... Well impossible..
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                        Love this site nevertheless...
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                        But an IQ test before signing up would be a good thing
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                        Btw. Yes, let's do IQ tests before registration. Better, let's assume every non constructive comment is an underage brat and ban them on those terms. No, wait, let's go further, every negative comment gets a ban. It's a damn purge time and after we are done, we can get soap, water, make some bubbles, maybe have a campfire going, sing a song or two. It will be awesome, all non productive stuff goes out and we will achieve... What do we want to achieve? Never mind, it will come up anyway. I fully support this.
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                     You're a little tense, right ? Starting with my, "perhaps that...", to end giving me (us ?) those thought, wow. Being polite and respectful doesn't mean that you need to always agree, it just mean that you acknowledge the (undeniable) fact that you talk to a human being, not to your neighbor's dog.
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                     Buuuut saying I am tense while quoting that? No, I am not, we should totally, like, you know, purge all negativity. Same with, like, you know, the IQ test thingy. Like, you know, deal with it all. And if someone thinks that the quoted part was written, like, you know, to mock idea and top with sarcasm, your, like, totally wrong, like... you know, totally.
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                        I think you didn't got the point. There should be no place for devs that are: lazy, don't care, just want to milk money and so on, those types. And thanks to them, ricochets easily hit other, honest and hard working devs, those however should just continue what they are doing, actions and time will be the best way to prove who is wrong and who is right. Much better than words and promises.
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                        I think I understood fine.  The quote I replied to was "there should be no peace".
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                     . I had more of 'majority leaves a negative comment and moves on' kind of thing in mind. But that changes the issue completely. Though, this is when moderator steps in with "Hey, mate, you made 15 posts, all were just saying 'ya shit!', either add a reason or stop spamming" and not in a PM, on the thread itself.
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                        Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I think they should express it but not seek to destroy other member's ability to enjoy something that we might not like.  If someone doesn't like something there are plenty of other threads/games they can go to.
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                     Damnit, this part wasn't saved in a draft before maintenance... annoying. Once more:
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                     Yeah, but some people just can't let go, if it's a case like that: as I wrote, moderator steps in.
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                     Then we have dicks that do it for fun, because there are people that will seek to destroy other people's fun or life, simply for shit and giggles. But as with people that can't let go, quite easy to spot.
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                        If a dev is not good, don't respect his word or else..fine we can say that but writing
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                     Was my point from the start
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                     Thread should be places where you share tips, hints, critics about the art/mechanics/engine. Where you can express your views about the dev, in terms of communication/commitment...but lately the "there's should be no peace army" is just in to insults the guys and if you ask why or try to understand why the dev may be wrong, you just become a target yourself too.
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                        Thread should be places where you share tips, hints, critics about the art/mechanics/engine. Where you can express your views about the dev, in terms of communication/commitment...but lately the "there's should be no peace army" is just in to insults the guys and if you ask why or try to understand why the dev may be wrong, you just become a target yourself too.
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                        That is all i wanted to say here
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                        I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
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                     And apparently this massive shit storm is just few people farting too much xD
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                     Though, it still rises a good discussion that is far from pointless.
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                        I see nothing wrong with calling out devs as long as you give an explaination as to why said dev is bad.  The real problem starts is when you get these single line insults to a dev without any example or reasoning, this in turn triggers some fans of that dev to start defending said dev and before you know it the thread gets hijacked into a personal argument.  Its annoying as fuck trying to read through a thread littered with an argument that really should be done through PM.
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                     Yeah, but if it's in PM I can't read it.
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                     My two cents are simple on this matter. Look at the number of members on this site now. Also really, honestly, without bias count up the number of people shitting on devs in a thread. Its really a small handful that stand out. I would say the number of people you talk about are a small fraction.
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                     However, many of us do support devs or multiple. And those of us that do also complain as well about games. I do not believe in the you dont pay you dont get to complain argument because many games I do intend to pay, but need that dev to step up before I shell out any cash. Or in some cases I think the dev makes more than enough he doesn't need me.
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                     It would be insulting to professionals to give an amateur a free pass and hand him twice as much cash for half assed work. Let's be real here the programming is amateurish, the art is usally someone else's stolen work being repurposed (I include daz stuff here, they didn't make it just tweaked it) and we are shoveling money in their faces in comparison to how much a legitimate develop gets to take home.
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                     We are currently in a time where dozens of new games appear every month with most coming to this website. A growing number even being started by members of this site. But that level of quantity comes with a lot of bad quality that can burn someone out too. Porn games have never actually had great quality, and if anything the bar is raising on that. But it comes from those of us willing to call these devs out for it.
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                        I hope is not my post make you feel like that...
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                        i came here because i'm a pirate.  i'm still a pirate.  sometimes i even drop a dime or two, or a goody here and there, because i love mah fellow pirates.  it IS a 100% try it before you buy it world for me, especially for anything that floats around from patreon.  i've been burned more than enough to learn that.  if i find something i like or see someone who's doing good things, i'll support em.  for a little bit.  maybe.  maybe not.
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                     Hey, hey, don't say that, it's not constructive criticism or don't comment if you didn't pay, can't remember which one of the "oy, vey, don't talk bad about my project" it was. Heh.
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                     How come Witcher 3 could go without DRMs and still make money? Because people support what they like just like you said. Some can't afford, fine. But you don't know if they won't do it after their financial situation improves.
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                     Look at it this way: Animosity is bred largely from the development process created by Patreon. These aren't big name companies working on AAA titles with a multimillion dollar budget. Patrons are literally providing the funding for a game, shelling out cash monthly, and that gives them a sense of entitlement. With the gaming market the way that it is nowadays, you see publishers demanding developers to meet whatever standard they desire. In some ways the situations are quite similar.
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                        In some ways, Patrons have every right to complain. Those who come here for free content shouldn't pile on, but welcome to the internet. Mob mentality persists. People feel entitled, even if they have no basis to claim anything. As someone said earlier, it really is a small fraction of the community that is causing this issue. Seems like most of us are happy to get our free games and support who we choose to. I know that I'm not really an active member in this community, and I've used this site for months without actually posting anything, but I don't think this is really a unique problem.
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                     You know what? I have been thinking about developers faggotry here and there.
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                     There is that retarded mentality that players should report bugs to the dev while it's not their job, so whole idea is disgusting... BUT, people pirating it? They get it for free, so them reporting/hunting bugs seems like a fair exchange.
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                     In the very end, this whole issue, without sugarcoating:
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                     Dev is a damn snowflake and can't handle comments... Maybe, but that's beside the point, main reason seems to be to deal with negative comments so more people jump on patreon hypewagon. A lot of negative comments will work against that. Some tiny, irrelevant percentage will be just angry people writing without any reason, but majority won't.
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                     This is where this bullshitery comes from. This asking for "constructive" comments is just hoping that people will give up with negativity if they can't leave a three word post. Also why they don't mind non-constructive positive comments.
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                     It does seem like it boils down exactly to that.
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                     Let's see how many defend that with "not me" kind of spin or some other autistic logic.
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                        Hello,
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                        I've noticed lately that many thread became only massive shit storm against the devs.
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                        Here we are, on a forum where we have the chance to get for free so many games because some "lunatics" decided to pay and share their links with us. And then we find hundreds of message to bash/insult the dev.
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                        I understand that we can see the forum as a way to promoting the game, which is why so many dev themselves interact here, then it can lead to critics, which is good.
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                        Sharing thoughts and critics are the best way to inform potentials supporters (patrons) and if we think that a game is not worthy to be financially supported. But lately, it became only thrashing talks how the dev is a lazy liar, a milk man, a crook....whatever.
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                        If you are a patron, a forum user and feeling scammed, you unpledge and inform others of your misadventure and then you go on the road rage on patreon...why here?
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                        And why so many free user, use this forum to unload their rage toward devs for who they don't pledge for and keep going on and on, and even, attack other users who don't agree with them ! You don't like the game anymore or beleive the dev is no longer a good one, just drop the thread..
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                        I like this place but it became  more bitter and angry that it used to be.
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                     I agree, at times some replies in threads become more personal in their response towards a project... But sometimes developers and players/readers, who are fans of a project, also become a bit over sensitive to negative feedback or someone else's opinions, that do not match their own... So it is a double edged sword...
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                     I have seen some folks who reply when they may not like a project and/or an aspect of a project or wish something was added that wasn't there... And when they do, instead of just talking about those aspects, they directly attack the developer themselves... Calling them names or stating things about the developers themselves without either proof or examples to back up their statements... In those cases, especially when it goes overboard, yes I agree that those particular members are most likely immature and/or think they can just spout non-sense because it's the Internet... And I'm also sure that on some rare occasions, the member/s may just be trolling out of boredom or they get off on the misery of others... But I don't really see these sorts of direct attacks as often as some folks claim they are happening...
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                     Developers really need to come to terms that in a public forum (not necessarily internet forums) there will always be both negative and positive feedback... The bad comes with the good, and if they can't deal with it calmly and collectively then they will just cause themselves more stress and anger, then is really needed or deserved... Take what folks say with a grain of salt, and don't be so sensitive to various forms of feedback... If you run around with a chip on your shoulder, or if you are too sensitive to negative comments, then you might as well stop what you're doing and find something else to do... Because it is the nature of the beast for anything created and put out there for the public to experience... Best to just take out of it, the things that you feel might help you, in current and/or future development, and go on... As a developer/author/creator/artist, if you don't agree with some ones feedback, just keep on doing it how you want to do it, and make it how you envision it... Feedback is feedback, good or bad... Don't take it so personal...
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                     Most negative feedback I've seen, usually is not a direct attack on the developers themselves, but on the project itself... It is going to happen, no matter what, somewhere, sometime... And when a developer lashes out, which I've seen happen on occasion, or they throw a temper tantrum, and run away taking their toys with them, then what does that say about the developer? Not good things, and it usually just turns into a shit storm of back and forth sometimes, if the developer decides to get into a text based fist fight... But I also see a lot of developers who are mature and adult enough to take it in stride, and use what ever feedback they receive, taking out of it what they feel might help them, and be the better for it...
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                     I've also seen moments, when fans of a project see someone who doesn't agree with their points of view, and or is critical of a project that the fans love, and they decide to play knights in shining armor defending their territory... These sorts of  fans will take several approaches, to either argue with someone's criticism, or pick a fight, and/or get ahold of other fans, to post a bunch of short reviews, to artificially boost the average stars in response to a negative review... That last part doesn't happen all that often really, but I'm sure it happens now and then, especially when you see their responses in the thread, coming to the rescue to criticize someone else's criticism and/or negative feedback...
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                     All of this is the nature of public places where folks can voice their opinions... It happens no matter the website, and no matter the subject when it comes to publicly available stuff... But in these forums, it is rare that matters get too far out of hand before a moderator or other staff member jumps in to quell the over-zealous squabbles... And if a developer feels too hurt or just refuses to see anything other then rainbows and kittens, when it comes to feedback about their projects, then again, I think they need to re-evaluate what they're doing... Or learn to take criticism better... Because it is gonna happen, and should happen, as it's how we learn and grow... But overall, I do agree that personal attacks should be squashed whenever they are found, especially when unfounded...
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                        You know what? I have been thinking about developers faggotry here and there.
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                        There is that retarded mentality that players should report bugs to the dev while it's not their job, so whole idea is disgusting... BUT, people pirating it? They get it for free, so them reporting/hunting bugs seems like a fair exchange.
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                        In the very end, this whole issue, without sugarcoating:
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                        Dev is a damn snowflake and can't handle comments... Maybe, but that's beside the point, main reason seems to be to deal with negative comments so more people jump on patreon hypewagon. A lot of negative comments will work against that. Some tiny, irrelevant percentage will be just angry people writing without any reason, but majority won't.
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                        This is where this bullshitery comes from. This asking for "constructive" comments is just hoping that people will give up with negativity if they can't leave a three word post. Also why they don't mind non-constructive positive comments.
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                        It does seem like it boils down exactly to that.
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                     Um.... while reading this post, certain parts stand out to me. Namely, the following-
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                     "developers faggotry", "retarded mentality", "Dev is a damn snowflake",
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                     "This is where this bullshitery comes from. This asking for "constructive" comments is just hoping that people will give up with negativity if they can't leave a three word post. Also why they don't mind non-constructive positive comments.
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                     It does seem like it boils down exactly to that.
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                     Oh.. let's not forget "autistic logic".
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                     Jeez.. talk about an angry post. It's attack, attack, attack, then how dare you defend yourself. This sounds like you have a HUGE axe to grind against all developers on Patreon.  Now I'm aware you are a developer of an RPG Maker game which is free and I applaud you for that. But that doesn't give you the right to paint all developers on Patreon with the same broad strokes. There are some standout adult game developers on Patreon who deserve our shared respect. But there are countless others with good motivations, some skills, and a true desire to make a game they feel is worth to put out. They're taking a risk and you know that. Give them credit for trying.
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                     Every developer hears "you suck" at one point but what matters is how it's said. Is it so hard for someone to be honest and provide reasons for their statements? How hard is it for someone to spend just a couple more minutes and say why the feel that way?
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                     Look at this example - "You suck. Die in fire."  Honestly, what good is this? I mean, this comment sounds like a really angry dude. Did he walk in on another otaku cumming on his daikamura? That's what it sounds like to me.
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                     All many developers are asking for is this - "I tried to play the game but I could not advance very far because the mechanics are shit. I was randomly teleported all over the place when trying to enter this town on the world map. In one instance, I was warped to a sex scene where I was getting assraped by a mutant ninja turtle. That made me ragequit so fast even my grandmother's head spun and she's dead. Please fix those issues!" Note.. he's still angry and you know it. But what he did was he specifically said what happened that made him angry. And getting assraped by a mutant ninja turtle would make most people angry except for some members.
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                     And that's another point- both developers and members all have different tastes and fetishes as well as varying degrees of sanity and competence. It would be wise to be aware of that and to provide the specific reason that people feel the way they do. Most people are intelligent enough to realize that this forum has rules and they are requested to abide by that. A little respect goes a long way.
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                     Everything is here...
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                     In a family-sized community, wanting to change things through exchanges as can be seen in this thread, I can understand. It avoids strict rules in a "family" atmosphere.
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                     But we must realize that this is not the case here. This is a community important enough to make things as simple as:
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                     The rules do it all and if anything bother you then turn yourself to these rules to either change them or understand that it's like that and that's it.
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                     I doubt that there is here a rule prohibiting the freedom of expression, even in the form of 3 words. And even less a rule that would be able to measure the constructive side of a message or its relevance.
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                     Because from my point of view all this talk that we do (yes me too) on this thread is really not relevant and constructive.
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                     Are you really trying to change people's behavior? Or to change the rules?
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                     Do you really think that these famous three-word messages are the result of a lack of information, of knowledge?
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                     No, we are only exchanging points of view on a subject. We express what we think or feel. And that's exactly what those who are the target of this whole thread do.
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                     They are just people who feel that what they want to express can be done (or not) in 3 words and they have no obligation to explain why and how.
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                     If the message is really degrading and a lack of respect for the developer, there are moderators to enforce the rules, it seems to me. And end point.
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                     If it is not the case then I do not see where the problem is.
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                     If we start criticizing the points of view or the way to express and build a message, I think we will not finish ...
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                     To be quite sincere I do not like idiots, but I learned that they had the same rights as me so I live with them. (Trying to avoid them as much as possible)
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                     While knowing that I'm probably the idiot of another.
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                        Um.... while reading this post, certain parts stand out to me. Namely, the following-
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                        "developers faggotry", "retarded mentality", "Dev is a damn snowflake",
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                        "This is where this bullshitery comes from. This asking for "constructive" comments is just hoping that people will give up with negativity if they can't leave a three word post. Also why they don't mind non-constructive positive comments.
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                        It does seem like it boils down exactly to that.
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                        Jeez.. talk about an angry post. It's attack, attack, attack, then how dare you defend yourself. This sounds like you have a HUGE axe to grind against all developers on Patreon.  Now I'm aware you are a developer of an RPG Maker game which is free and I applaud you for that. But that doesn't give you the right to paint all developers on Patreon with the same broad strokes. There are some standout adult game developers on Patreon who deserve our shared respect. But there are countless others with good motivations, some skills, and a true desire to make a game they feel is worth to put out. They're taking a risk and you know that. Give them credit for trying.
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                        Every developer hears "you suck" at one point but what matters is how it's said. Is it so hard for someone to be honest and provide reasons for their statements? How hard is it for someone to spend just a couple more minutes and say why the feel that way?
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                     Free?
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                     Ok, you are doing what you did in previous thread.
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                     Just because you didn't check something and are uninformed, doesn't mean you can lie. That's why your arguments are shit, because they are not based on facts, but assumptions which are turned into lies. As a mod, please be more accurate or don't jump to conclusions based on your feels.
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                     Angry post, I applaud you for making a bad assumption over letters. Again.
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                     But you are right on one thing. I do have an issue with a lot of crowdfunding based devs, not every one of them, as there are those that are worth supporting. But they aren't the issue, so why bother mentioning? Rather use them as example. Again, jumping to conclusions based on your feelings.
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                     "They're taking a risk and you know that. Give them credit for trying."
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                     I just stopped laughing and then this. You just want me to suffocate, don't you?
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                     "How hard is it for someone to spend just a couple more minutes and say why the feel that way?" Because not everyone is a fag or woman and they don't give a fuck about emotions of random strangers. If you switch "feel" with "think" then I will agree, otherwise I don't care.
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                     Majority of bullshit you are serving could be avoided if you stopped using emotions and started to think.
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                        Look at this example - "You suck. Die in fire."  Honestly, what good is this?
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                     Not much, burning whole place down could impose danger to others. Gun or a belt would be a better suggestion.
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                        I mean, this comment sounds like a really angry dude. Did he walk in on another otaku cumming on his daikamura? That's what it sounds like to me.
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                        All many developers are asking for is this - "I tried to play the game but I could not advance very far because the mechanics are shit. I was randomly teleported all over the place when trying to enter this town on the world map. In one instance, I was warped to a sex scene where I was getting assraped by a mutant ninja turtle. That made me ragequit so fast even my grandmother's head spun and she's dead. Please fix those issues!" Note.. he's still angry and you know it. But what he did was he specifically said what happened that made him angry. And getting assraped by a mutant ninja turtle would make most people angry except for some members.
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                     Your dakimakura, your problem. Too much information.
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                     Developers would like to hear that, but what they really are asking is just to purge negative comments, because they know what they did and being honest is not easy. Of course, you will assume things again and say "not every", yeah yeah, I hear you.
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                     Or he doesn't really care, drops: 'it's crap' and moves along. Because he/she only cares about saying they didn't like it. I don't know where this assumption that everyone wants to help everyone comes from. Then again, assumptions is all you do.
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                        And that's another point- both developers and members all have different tastes and fetishes as well as varying degrees of sanity and competence. It would be wise to be aware of that and to provide the specific reason that people feel the way they do. Most people are intelligent enough to realize that this forum has rules and they are requested to abide by that. A little respect goes a long way.
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                     Again with the feels. Who gives a fuck? Change it to "think" and it makes a valid point.
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                     That's why I told you earlier you are preaching and I am not a 5yo you can molest with that. While it's good to give new devs some preaching to boost their morale, you are basing everything on feels and not thinking. Don't drop shit like "why they felt that way?", make them ask "why they thought that way?" so maybe they will be able to figure out what they are doing wrong without forcing people to write fucking essays on the web or maybe they will realize that this person simply didn't like their game.
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                        By that same token, why do so many people feel the need to defend every developer like mindless lapdogs when they genuinely screw up?
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                     Exactly. Because instead of thinking, they 'feel'.
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                        Everything is here...
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                        In a family-sized community, wanting to change things through exchanges as can be seen in this thread, I can understand. It avoids strict rules in a "family" atmosphere.
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                        But we must realize that this is not the case here. This is a community important enough to make things as simple as:
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                        The rules do it all and if anything bother you then turn yourself to these rules to either change them or understand that it's like that and that's it.
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                        I doubt that there is here a rule prohibiting the freedom of expression, even in the form of 3 words. And even less a rule that would be able to measure the constructive side of a message or its relevance.
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                        Because from my point of view all this talk that we do (yes me too) on this thread is really not relevant and constructive.
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                        Are you really trying to change people's behavior? Or to change the rules?
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                        Do you really think that these famous three-word messages are the result of a lack of information, of knowledge?
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                        No, we are only exchanging points of view on a subject. We express what we think or feel. And that's exactly what those who are the target of this whole thread do.
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                        They are just people who feel that what they want to express can be done (or not) in 3 words and they have no obligation to explain why and how.
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                        If the message is really degrading and a lack of respect for the developer, there are moderators to enforce the rules, it seems to me. And end point.
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                        If it is not the case then I do not see where the problem is.
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                        If we start criticizing the points of view or the way to express and build a message, I think we will not finish ...
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                        To be quite sincere I do not like idiots, but I learned that they had the same rights as me so I live with them. (Trying to avoid them as much as possible)
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                     I said it in other/this thread, that whole talk is pointless, but is fun (at least for me). But you are right, you can't change people (which was said more than once and ignored) and you can't treat devs like some people that are cleaner than distilled water.
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                     What makes me worry, is that assumption it's the "players" and it's some massive issue, while it's not. But it's easy to say "it's not me"... well, dear dev, something tells me it is you and you can choke on those negative comments.
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                        Can't we all just agree that anyone who uses 'faggotry' and 'snowflake' unironically is probably too young to legally be here in the first place?
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                     You just want to sit for days and ban people until your finger falls off
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                     i feel like i need to mention in my signature that i am only making jokes , even if you made a shitty game and post it here you already Had the courage to take criticism and the time and devotion to make a game (something i may never have ) . Your game might be terrible , but there is always room for improvement , no one starts at the top .
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                        i Am one of this guys that make funny comments criticizing some aspect of a work occasionally like this
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                        (I always thought that minimum art\porn pics is always better than no art . You made me question that)
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                        i feel like i need to mention in my signature that i am only making jokes , even if you made a shitty game and post it here you already Had the courage to take criticism and the time and devotion to make a game (something i may never have ) . Your game might be terrible , but there is always room for improvement , no one starts at the top .
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                        Sure they are people who their comments revolves around them feeling the need to share with us their porn preferences in a game thread obviously not for them and people who basically feels the need to hate on others work , but i feel there is the need to make a distinction between joking and actual assholes
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                        something else obviously we are not paying customers i frankly don't see the point of any dev of communicating with people here unless he wants to get his game more outthere for potentially more backers
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                     There is a fine line between trying to be funny and sounding mean/hurtful...
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                        There is a fine line between trying to be funny and sounding mean/hurtful...
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                     In my experience since join this site. Some real shitty games, I skip it completely, no need to be aggressive by it, but probably gonna leave some sarcasm post though.
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                     It's different when I like the game and it turn to be bad in the progression. I became quite aggressive and make emotional comments, sorry for these Dev. The White Knight of the games I'm criticize, thinking or assuming that I blast off the developer and often these White Knight attacking me personally, Ad Hominem type, whereas I don't use it when aggressively criticize the game.
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                        lol, not an eductional system to apply to children, yours or as a teacher. May lead to tribunal
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                     Why not? Better than a screaming brat and a parent that can't control it. Then again, not a parent, all I know it's annoying when happens, so as a parent: fix your kids.
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                        Some devs, particularly the *disappears for 6 months while draining patreon bucks* then says "hey guys I'm taking a break from developing" types.
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                        In my defense, I'm not really "attacking" the developer. I just want them to be good, to be success ... by slapping their face and tell them to "FUCK OFF !!! ... and increase your skill before making games !". But sadly people think of me as offender.
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                     I strongly disagree with you on this one. Positive feedback is what makes us devs more passionate about our work. Do you seriously think that devs don't read reviews of their games? Devs are likely among the first ones to read them. These games are products we develop with passion. We are not fulltime employees, we do this on our free time with heart and soul.
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                        I strongly disagree with you on this one. Positive feedback is what makes us devs more passionate about our work. Do you seriously think that devs don't read reviews of their games? Devs are likely among the first ones to read them. These games are products we develop with passion. We are not fulltime employees, we do this on our free time with heart and soul.
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                     So many devs have abandoned their work and there came nothing out of them. It's important to be cautious. Furthermore, most ''games'' on here, or the ones i tend to bother, are Visual Novels. Those aren't games and not worth any praise. If you can't develop a simply hub world with little game elements and a way to revisit old sex scenes with different dialog etc then there's no reason for anyone to bother.
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