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                     so, as to be expected, the 1060 is faster than the 1050TI
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                     this is the example render I used for all the testing
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                     so.... as you can see, the 1050TI is capable of Iray rendering some basic scenes in DAZ.
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                     what you can also see is that the render time pretty much gets halved when you add a 2nd card (1080TI vs. 2x1080TI)
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                     you can get two 1050TI for the price of one 1060 6G (at least around where I live)
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                     now if you take the 40min time of a single 1050TI and throw in a second one you will end up with 20min which beats the 26min of a single 1060 6G
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                     keep in mind that the 1060 6G has more VRAM than the 1050TI (6GB vs 4GB) which will come in handy if you want to render more advanced scenes with more than 2 or 3 characters or a bigger environments....
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                     Thanks for this comparison. For now i plan to buy only 1 card(1050ti) and then maybe buy something more aproperiet. 40 min is ok for now, much better then few hours with cpu. VRAM is also my concern.
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                        The problem is a lot of new mobos doesn't support windows 7 and you have to do a loooooooooooooooooooooot of "exercises" to make it work.
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                     Not disagreeing at all.  For example, MSI doesn't offer Windows 7 drivers for my (desktop replacement)  laptop.
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                     My point in bringing it up was, if you already have Windows 7 installed, that there can be advantages r.e. staying with Windows 7, or even Windows 8.1, at least for rendering.
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                        I had to install win10 because my mobo b360 (b360 mobos were released April 2018) doesn't support win7. I was used to win10 at work, but prefer win7, you are able to run 7 for years without any updates, while 10 without updates starts to crash after 2-3 days. MS really has to do something about the VRAM usage, I think the windows might confusing the regular ram and the vram.
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                     Agreed.  If you've followed the discussion about the 18% VRAM reservation issues in various forums, you'll know that Microsoft tech support tends to avoid this issue, saying it's a hardware/software driver issue (i.e. Nvidia, Daz3D, etc.), while Nvidia points the finger right back at Microsoft.
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                        In our company, we have an AI department and vram is a must have. Right now they ordered 10x 2080ti for our new server so that is 110gb ram, cut 18% and that is almost 20 GB of ram wasted on nothing. They might use Linux on it after all.
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                        so, as to be expected, the 1060 is faster than the 1050TI
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                        so.... as you can see, the 1050TI is capable of Iray rendering some basic scenes in DAZ.
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                        what you can also see is that the render time pretty much gets halved when you add a 2nd card (1080TI vs. 2x1080TI)
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                        you can get two 1050TI for the price of one 1060 6G (at least around where I live)
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                        now if you take the 40min time of a single 1050TI and throw in a second one you will end up with 20min which beats the 26min of a single 1060 6G
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                        keep in mind that the 1060 6G has more VRAM than the 1050TI (6GB vs 4GB) which will come in handy if you want to render more advanced scenes with more than 2 or 3 characters or a bigger environments....
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