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                        Edited your title so it's correct.
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                        Sadly ... I blast the dev before and my angry post got deleted. The developer appear to be zero knowledge on making a good vaginal sex. His sex scene just as poor as other shitty games. Of course as TCMS said, nice render and whatever. But when the real deal coming "Vaginal &amp; Anal Sex(has yet to come)" ... it just shit. Prove me wrong, Faerin.
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                     We all waiting your game that is way more better then that (Im not defeding him, just you are not right)
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                     In that game they are your landlady and her dauthers, thats the idea for not feeling bad about it.
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                     Before Patreons communist rules thats not how the game started out and was changed. There is a mod to revert the game to the creators original vision. And I think Macattack avoids incest game all together, jugding by the comment!
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                     I don't understand your words. If I can catch right, you like Faerin sex scene ? You like that MC and Sister first sex scene ? You probably love it, but from my standard, that is worst and low standard.
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                     People find the taboo appealing. Its the same reason people get off on exhibitionism. They're doing something that the rest of society thinks is wrong. It arouses them. It doesn't mean that the person has any feelings for their own family or that they actually want to experience it, it simply adds a layer of intimacy to the fantasy.
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                        Before Patreons communist rules thats not how the game started out and was changed. There is a mod to revert the game to the creators original vision. And I think Macattack avoids incest game all together, jugding by the comment!
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                     Their reasoning for those rules is the exact opposite of communism. Its all about protecting their money. If Paypal leaves then they will lose money. With Paypal its just as much about money. Porn is already high risk, add in taboo themes that make people cringe and you make things worse. In reality, communism would fix this.
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                     Good dev communication is a huge factor I think, quite a few popular games on this website are popular because of that. The quality of the game is pretty good, not the best but it's up there, with a nice amount of content. Also thank fuck the dev added cheats, which helps reduce the grind tenfold and get to the juicy parts more rapidly. Also it porn, give people some nice renders, sexy women, ways to get to the good scenes without much grind, regular updates with a decent amount of content and communication, sprinkle some incest over it and voila, your game should be well received.
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                        I really don't get why incest is such a seller it makes me feel like I'm weird for not liking it
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                     Try to think of it as first, it's not real, and secondly, it's not blood-related incest (irl blood-related incest is pretty fucked up). A lil taboo always helps to spice it up. When you think of it that way, it gets way easier to enjoy incest... in game and irl.
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                        I don't understand your words. If I can catch right, you like Faerin sex scene ? You like that MC and Sister first sex scene ? You probably love it, but from my standard, that is worst and low standard.
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                        This is Faerin's Fans ... all bow to him like a god and not even dare to criticize the developer. Instead the game getting better, it's just getting shit. Faerin's fans are just praising him for making mother finally eat MC cock ... they act like it the best sex scene ever ... no, it's just shit.
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                        That's pretty much why a good chunk of people like it. If he was like Dark Silver this game would be nowhere near as popular as it is. I get that some people want to jump right into the sex, but having a build up can be worth it just as well. Just don't make the grind unbearable like you see with BB which doesn't have an ingame cheat.
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                     Have you tried blaying MotH without the ingame cheat? Its exactly as bad if not worse than BB when it comes to the grind. The only thing I think it does better than BB is that it has a better method for making money. Still, everything is a repetitive grind if you don't have the cheats to fix that.
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                        Have you tried blaying MotH without the ingame cheat? Its exactly as bad if not worse than BB when it comes to the grind. The only thing I think it does better than BB is that it has a better method for making money. Still, everything is a repetitive grind if you don't have the cheats to fix that.
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                     yes I have played without the cheats and its still better than BB. Its also a reason why the game is better than BB in that Faerin responded to the criticism and did something about it. Unlike BB which is further developed than MOTH, Faerin can always update the cheats to further reduce the grind should players want it. The game isnt perfect, but I like how responsive the dev is and the game can always improve. I strongly encourage people to be critical. Its how things get better.
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                        yes I have played without the cheats and its still better than BB. Its also a reason why the game is better than BB in that Faerin responded to the criticism and did something about it. Unlike BB which is further developed than MOTH, Faerin can always update the cheats to further reduce the grind should players want it. The game isnt perfect, but I like how responsive the dev is and the game can always improve. I strongly encourage people to be critical. Its how things get better.
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                        funny how i think the same way about big brother game and its fans but you seem to have a grudge and spouting nonsense that really no real person would say it is funny though how much you hate man of the house and its fan base and
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                     You already ban me from replying, what can I say ? I still play the game though ... hoping Faerin back to idealist way.
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                        You already ban me from replying, what can I say ? I still play the game though ... hoping Faerin back to idealist way.
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                        But idk if it ever happen, since everybody praise him all the time, request and it will be create. And the fans kill who disagree. x'D I prefer strong developer who don't care about their fans and make the game as they want, so I get surprise content instead, for better or worse.
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                        if i banned you from replying then how am i able to see your replies want to prove some more that you are talking nonsense? and you really do have a certain grudge against MoTH and its fan bases you are kinda making feel bad whenever i go off on people liking Dual Family
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                         I was gone berserk when Faerin making really awful first sex scene, the MC with Ashley. At first was to 'forgive' him and ask him to redo the scene, until I found he was making the scene urge by his patreon request, as they felt Faerin trying to milking his own game, similar to BB case. Then I'm instant mad at that time, as "this guy destroy (rushing out bad quality content) his own game just because afraid of losing sub/patron ?". ...  and then came the sensation felt betrayed by the dev. Kinda Obi-wan with Anakin. "I thought Faerin is the chosen one !"
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                         Then reading the main thread only to find no one discuss the game, or even criticizing those scene. Also chatting things that irrelevant to the game itself, praising each other and abusing 'like' that became an issue sometime ago. Each time the game has new nudity of the character, the whole flocks just like "Whoooaaa ... Faerin, that is awesome", liking post liking post liking post. Man, that thread is surreal in my point of view. It's like 3/10 total posts who actually talking about the game or asking walkthrough. Idk about know, since I just visit the thread only to grab the game and go. But seeing at glimpse, still the same habit.
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                        Actually, you right about me having grudge with the dev.
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                            I was gone berserk when Faerin making really awful first sex scene, the MC with Ashley. At first was to 'forgive' him and ask him to redo the scene, until I found he was making the scene urge by his patreon request, as they felt Faerin trying to milking his own game, similar to BB case. Then I'm instant mad at that time, as "this guy destroy (rushing out bad quality content) his own game just because afraid of losing sub/patron ?". ...  and then came the sensation felt betrayed by the dev. Kinda Obi-wan with Anakin. "I thought Faerin is the chosen one !"
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                            Then reading the main thread only to find no one discuss the game, or even criticizing those scene. Also chatting things that irrelevant to the game itself, praising each other and abusing 'like' that became an issue sometime ago. Each time the game has new nudity of the character, the whole flocks just like "Whoooaaa ... Faerin, that is awesome", liking post liking post liking post. Man, that thread is surreal in my point of view. It's like 3/10 total posts who actually talking about the game or asking walkthrough. Idk about know, since I just visit the thread only to grab the game and go. But seeing at glimpse, still the same habit.
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                            I was gone berserk when Faerin making really awful first sex scene, the MC with Ashley. At first was to 'forgive' him and ask him to redo the scene, until I found he was making the scene urge by his patreon request, as they felt Faerin trying to milking his own game, similar to BB case. Then I'm instant mad at that time, as "this guy destroy (rushing out bad quality content) his own game just because afraid of losing sub/patron ?". ...  and then came the sensation felt betrayed by the dev. Kinda Obi-wan with Anakin. "I thought Faerin is the chosen one !"
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                            Then reading the main thread only to find no one discuss the game, or even criticizing those scene. Also chatting things that irrelevant to the game itself, praising each other and abusing 'like' that became an issue sometime ago. Each time the game has new nudity of the character, the whole flocks just like "Whoooaaa ... Faerin, that is awesome", liking post liking post liking post. Man, that thread is surreal in my point of view. It's like 3/10 total posts who actually talking about the game or asking walkthrough. Idk about know, since I just visit the thread only to grab the game and go. But seeing at glimpse, still the same habit.
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                        I disagree about Faerin selling out to his patreons really. In my opinion he has a clear plan and direction in mind for his game, but he's somewhat flexible on the order in which they are to be added. He isn't going to sacrifice everything else and let the patreons dictate everything, but suggestions/feedback can sometimes lead to new ideas.
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                     You forgot to mention two pages of people saying good morning to each other every 10th page or so.
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                     Yeah ... that's why I only doubting the dev's planning, not reach hate level, yet. Also still following the game. In case the game turn out to be good in the end, I would be glad to admit my defeat and refresh my trust toward Faerin. But without someone criticizing his game, I'm afraid no control of his quality. That sex scene was similar to other games that so bad. I don't want MoTH quality to drop like that game.
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                     oh im dead serious you seem like a spoiled brat who when you dont get what you want you throw a fit and by the reason that you gave why you dislike moth and its fanbase it just prove why you are that way
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                        Yea, I think he has a good balance of
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                        Oh very much so! I probably sounded more like a jerk than I meant to, so I should say that Carlos is probably the most earnestly friendly and authentically nicest person I've seen on the internet. Ever. And questions do get answered by friendly, positive folks without the usual "didn't you see where your question was answered three posts earlier, dumbass?" responses we often see. Haha but that might be because there are 10 pages of random comments to sift through in between, so everyone there is patient with people who ask repeated questions, because no one can blame them for not finding the information in the thread
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                        oh im dead seriously you seem like a spoiled brat who when you dont get what you want you throw a fit and by the reason that you gave why you dislike moth and its fanbase it just prove why you are that way
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                        its funny its like saying people who like give compliments to dreams and desire game are trash because they never find anything wrong with his work which in both situations is untrue
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                     aaaah ... when I see a lot of things can be perfected, you see nothing wrong.
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                        aaaah ... when I see a lot of things can be perfected, you see nothing wrong.
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                     i think you misheard me  when someone says "at first was to 'forgive' him and ask him to redo the scene," that means you are spoil brat you dont have the right to ask someone to redo a scene while saying you forgive him for something
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                        Getting back to the original question, despite my earlier snarkier comments, I think one reason this game is so popular is because the MC isn't a total douche. He seems to actually
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                        girls needing domination. None of the female NPCs are needlessly dumb or whorish. And (outside of the male tokens in the work mini-games), there's not a single other male character in the game to interfere. Everyone wins! &lt;-- And that's why it's popular, even if it's not your thing.
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                     This explains it extremely well actually lol. I couldnt even think of why I enjoy it more than many other games on here.
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                        Getting back to the original question, despite my earlier snarkier comments, I think one reason this game is so popular is because the MC isn't a total douche. He seems to actually
                        <i>
                         like
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                        his mom and his sisters. The early versions of the game allow the MC to pursue Ashley, who is friendly and naive but also interested in sex, and the MC has a "wow, I can't believe this is happening, but it's hot!" reaction. With Veronica later on, he stumbles onto the information that she likes to be dominated, and he has a "Well, I'm not sure if that's my thing, but if she likes to be dominated, let's give it try" without being an abusive dick about it. With the mom, there's actual
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                        going on! (yes, he uses some wine, but that's a pretty acceptable seduction tool without getting rapey).
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                        girls needing seduction,
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                        girls needing romance,
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                         dominate
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                        girls needing domination. None of the female NPCs are needlessly dumb or whorish. And (outside of the male tokens in the work mini-games), there's not a single other male character in the game to interfere. Everyone wins! &lt;-- And that's why it's popular, even if it's not your thing.
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                        This explains it extremely well actually lol. I couldnt even think of why I enjoy it more than many other games on here.
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                        Only reason I might tack on and really you already said it just with more words lol.
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                        I don't understand your words. If I can catch right, you like Faerin sex scene ? You like that MC and Sister first sex scene ? You probably love it, but from my standard, that is worst and low standard.
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                        This is Faerin's Fans ... all bow to him like a god and not even dare to criticize the developer. Instead the game getting better, it's just getting shit. Faerin's fans are just praising him for making mother finally eat MC cock ... they act like it the best sex scene ever ... no, it's just shit.
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                        People in Man of the House thread just full of low standard people. They get high quality picture of nudity and they praise Faerin like Zeus. I'm sad for him honestly. Once I rated him so high, but now he just a cuck developer that make games to appease his fans, instead have strong idealist of how his own game should be. Every update is what the fans expecting.
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                     3 Strong (and even improving every now and then) UI, mechanics, making u really enjoy the gameplay. Good and fun side stuff to do and getting new stuff regularly (even if we need more side stuff, like I already said in the thread and to him personally).
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                        Ok, my reasons why is so popular are almost all already listed here through the thread, but i'll list my top 10 anyway (i could write some more though):
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                        1 Good renders (not super extraordinary btw).
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                        2 Taboo sex (incest in this case).
                        <br/>
                        3 Strong (and even improving every now and then) UI, mechanics, making u really enjoy the gameplay. Good and fun side stuff to do and getting new stuff regularly (even if we need more side stuff, like I already said in the thread and to him personally).
                        <br/>
                        4 No NTR whatsoever.
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                        5 Male protagonist has no Eric to cut his wings.
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                        6 Regular 2 monthly updates (never missed a deadline since I play!) and mostly free of cut progressing bugs (and when there is one, the dev quickly provides a patch, at least I remember the one time that happened since I play).
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                        7 Even if its annoying the amount of post the thread has, people there are super nice and amicable (Carlos S and RWaites mostly, but u could say they spreaded that simpaty to almost everyone who post in there if u take ur time to read and u find alot more people helping in part cause of that). Also they can answer 500 times the same shit all over again without insulting anyone for asking, like in many other threads other users do.
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                        8 Because point 7, the thread is virtually free of idiots who thinks they know it all, demanding spoiled brats complaining all the time for "their" content or serial complainers. Yes, there is a ton of nonrelated posts in there, but I cant be the only one who prefers that instead of these people.
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                        9 Appealing story. MC is straight forward on what he wants, u feel females are not really "forced" to do anything, like fauxplayer said in post 43, there are needs to be fulfilled there.
                        <br/>
                        10 And the most important to me for last, the dev. Hes not a god like somepeople are saying here (at least for me, surelly is not and Im not a fanboy, hoping that I'll never become one), hes just a polite human being whos always around and take in account the praise but also the critics. Whoever say he doesnt addres the critics is plain rong and the changes in the game since the begining are there to prove it. I like this guy and I never met him, u tell me how u achieve that without being Carlos S (the nicest guy ever, man)...
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                     thank you for that and it pays to have Carlos S and Rwaites as your online friends since they let you know when updates are out
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                     Over 9000 likes soon. This is farm and grind
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                     Probaly people  like farming and grinding :tf:
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                     i've never understood the grind complaint when it comes to games, every game is a grind, from battleships minesweeper chess farcry neverwinter nights skyrim euro truck sim MoTH
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                     keep calling numbers till you sink a ship, keep hitting squares, keep moving pieces, keep shooting people, keep hacking slashing, keep killing dragons, keep dropping off goods, keep earning money corrupting people.
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                     It's how games work, you put in time and effort and are rewarded with guns, swords, levels, skills or in this case nudes.
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                     If you don't want to grind there are VN's out there or just regular porn pics / vids / clips, but if you choose to download and play a game you accept that there is a grind.
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                     I know some people will say it's the amount of grind not the grind itself, however cheats were added to lessen it and if you really don't want to do anything at all and just see the renders just grab the CG rips or download the complete save and look at the phone.
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                        i've never understood the grind complaint when it comes to games, every game is a grind, from battleships minesweeper chess farcry neverwinter nights skyrim euro truck sim MoTH
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                        keep calling numbers till you sink a ship, keep hitting squares, keep moving pieces, keep shooting people, keep hacking slashing, keep killing dragons, keep dropping off goods, keep earning money corrupting people.
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                        It's how games work, you put in time and effort and are rewarded with guns, swords, levels, skills or in this case nudes.
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                        If you don't want to grind there are VN's out there or just regular porn pics / vids / clips, but if you choose to download and play a game you accept that there is a grind.
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                        I know some people will say it's the amount of grind not the grind itself, however cheats were added to lessen it and if you really don't want to do anything at all and just see the renders just grab the CG rips or download the complete save and look at the phone.
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                     No not every game is a grind, unless you change your definition of grind as to be absolutely meaningless. But the grind is a really big problem in dating-sim/Life-sim games. MotH isn't really any worse than other games that do similar things, but all of them tend to have the same main issue: There is no consequence to your choices.
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                     Every day you end up doing the same EXACT shit over and over again, hoping to trigger a change. After that change triggers, the loop updates slightly, but then you are doing the same NEW shit over and over, waiting for the next update in the relationship and so on. Actual Dating sims get around this problem by having a limited time frame. Each choice you make MATTERS because there are only so many choices that you are allowed to make. That is actual gameplay. You can see it in Japanese dating sims, and you can even see it in games like the Persona series which has very similar mechanics to a dating sim during the bulk of its time.
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                     When there is no consequence to the choices you make, or the things you do every day. Then it is nothing but clicking incessantly in order to reach your next objective. And many times, there is only one or two things to do, so you have to play out an entire pointless day for what often amounts to seeing the same scenes again and again.
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                     It's called a grind, because there is no thought to it, no real excitement to it, nothing but the small dopamine hit of seeing a number go up. Hell, leveling up in old school RPGs is less grindy than most life-sims. At least there you have a small chance of failure.
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                        No not every game is a grind, unless you change your definition of grind as to be absolutely meaningless. But the grind is a really big problem in dating-sim/Life-sim games. MotH isn't really any worse than other games that do similar things, but all of them tend to have the same main issue: There is no consequence to your choices.
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                        Every day you end up doing the same EXACT shit over and over again, hoping to trigger a change. After that change triggers, the loop updates slightly, but then you are doing the same NEW shit over and over, waiting for the next update in the relationship and so on. Actual Dating sims get around this problem by having a limited time frame. Each choice you make MATTERS because there are only so many choices that you are allowed to make. That is actual gameplay. You can see it in Japanese dating sims, and you can even see it in games like the Persona series which has very similar mechanics to a dating sim during the bulk of its time.
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                        When there is no consequence to the choices you make, or the things you do every day. Then it is nothing but clicking incessantly in order to reach your next objective. And many times, there is only one or two things to do, so you have to play out an entire pointless day for what often amounts to seeing the same scenes again and again.
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                        It's called a grind, because there is no thought to it, no real excitement to it, nothing but the small dopamine hit of seeing a number go up. Hell, leveling up in old school RPGs is less grindy than most life-sims. At least there you have a small chance of failure.
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                     I get what you are saying, the time limit in dating-sims and the consequences of choices but the rewards stay the same though, get the date, get the nudes. This would be like comparing a hack n slash(MoTH) to a true RPG(dating-sims), you level in both and gain skills etc but one you're choices don't matter you just get that REALLY big sword in the other (skyrim example : joining stormcloaks) affects alot from who you can talk to all the way through to getting attacked on sight. At the end of the day though you still get the REALLY big sword (nudes) unless the dating-sim is PG
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                     And even in dating-sims you have to keep complementing the girl and asking her on dates yes the "grind" is less but you still have to repeat the process. Just because you're going to the movies and not a cafe doesn't mean you're not going on "a date" again. I agree that seeing the same images over and over isn't that much fun but it makes me feel like i earn the new images when i get them.
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                        I get what you are saying, the time limit in dating-sims and the consequences of choices but the rewards stay the same though, get the date, get the nudes. This would be like comparing a hack n slash(MoTH) to a true RPG(dating-sims), you level in both and gain skills etc but one you're choices don't matter you just get that REALLY big sword in the other (skyrim example : joining stormcloaks) affects alot from who you can talk to all the way through to getting attacked on sight. At the end of the day though you still get the REALLY big sword (nudes) unless the dating-sim is PG
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                        And even in dating-sims you have to keep complementing the girl and asking her on dates yes the "grind" is less but you still have to repeat the process. Just because you're going to the movies and not a cafe doesn't mean you're not going on "a date" again. I agree that seeing the same images over and over isn't that much fun but it makes me feel like i earn the new images when i get them.
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                     See, but gameplay doesn't matter at all if there is no consequence to it. You mentioned Hack and Slash games. Yes, the choices you have are limited, say in a story way, but that's not the point. In a hack and slash the choices you have are about HOW you fight, how best to defeat the enemies in front of you, how to beat a boss, etc. A BAD hack and slash game say, would be one with one attack button, no combos, braindead enemies, and no challenge at all. Even if say, the graphics were amazing, and you wanted to see each level, or the story progression in the game, the gameplay would still suck, and it would still be a problem.
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                     Most porn life-sims have that exact same issue. All you are doing is going through the motions, whether it is as an attempt to artificially pad the length of the game, or keep things within a particular framework it doesn't really matter. The gameplay is awful. Or in a more real sense, it's non existent. Beyond that, the structure of these types of games by its very nature makes telling a cohesive story, extremely difficult, as you are more often than not limited to vignettes of each character, that rarely if ever interact with each other. Even VERY good games that use similar set ups (like the aforementioned Persona series) have this problem, which they ameliorate by having the dating sim aspects be a subset of an actual linear story progression.
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                     Some games do the day by day structure very well. The Pervert Action series is a prime example, as each of them gives the player a limited amount of time to reach their goals. They also dole out the sex in one or two big scenes as opposed to say, 20 (See
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                     well the advantage is you can do one or two job runs and only finish the mom and maybe one sister route or you can "grind" the work and finish all the girls routes. They are all in the game but that doesn't mean you have to do all of them.
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                     Hi, your fans don't like how critical I am of your game. They believe that I shouldn't hide my criticism in this thread and should speak to you directly. I don't do this to be mean spirited, however there may be times in this and other posts where I've come off harshly. That is not my intent. I actually think your game could be amazing without the grind, and that all you need is a little story to make the game have the same feeling of accomplishment as you advance through it, while maintaining it's overall feel and format. This is the first post I made about it. I tried to reconstruct your game in a way that feels true to the original story.
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                     Again I'm not bringing this to your attention to make fun, or discourage you from creating. I simply really like this community, and the games. I think they all have the potential to be better. Life sims like yours are the hardest, but I know that they can be really good with just a little more story and a lot less grind.
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                        I get what you are saying, the time limit in dating-sims and the consequences of choices but the rewards stay the same though, get the date, get the nudes. This would be like comparing a hack n slash(MoTH) to a true RPG(dating-sims), you level in both and gain skills etc but one you're choices don't matter you just get that REALLY big sword in the other (skyrim example : joining stormcloaks) affects alot from who you can talk to all the way through to getting attacked on sight. At the end of the day though you still get the REALLY big sword (nudes) unless the dating-sim is PG
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                        And even in dating-sims you have to keep complementing the girl and asking her on dates yes the "grind" is less but you still have to repeat the process. Just because you're going to the movies and not a cafe doesn't mean you're not going on "a date" again. I agree that seeing the same images over and over isn't that much fun but it makes me feel like i earn the new images when i get them.
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                     In my post in this thread  I caution the developer against falling into the traps that BB and MotH fell into. Their grind is not normal. It isn't how a game should play. Its unimmersive and frankly lazy. There is a way to create a dating sim with some intelligence. First rule, don't make the women dead fish that your MC has to slowly convince to have sex with him. Make them their own characters with their own experiences (or lack of) with their own desires, and with their own motivations. In MotH the the only character that fits all three of those is the little sister. The older sister has none of them and the mother only has desire because of a contrived coincidence. Women don't just fall for the dick man, sorry to break it to you.
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                     After you've written women with all of the above there are ways to make you court them without repeating the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Instead make the characters do something together because they want to. In the case of MotH there are plenty of ways this could have been implemented, but mostly it was just grind.
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                     Lets start with little sis, because quite frankly she's the only believable character in this game. She's curious about sex and attracted to her strong smart helpful older brother. Honestly the first little bit, how you get started with her, make sense. You help her with what should be different homework every night. Write it, sure math isn't interesting, but its a hell of a lot more interesting than clicking through some bullshit. Have a specific element of the math that she's working on. Make it something simple even like a^2 + b ^2 = c^2. Work a few simple equations with her. Then the next day, do another subject. History, for instance, help her write an essay on WWII or something, Make a few simple mentions of DDay or how Hitler killed himself, make a reference to pearl harbor, nagasaki, hiroshima, etc.The next day (remember the rule of 3) have her need help with anatomy. Have the conversation be about reproduction organs and orgasms and semen and ovaries. At that point have her say something to him about sex. Have her ask if he'd like to try kissing her.
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                     There you have a "grind" because you have to clear a few hurdles to get to that point, but those hurdles aren't repeated, you would be likely to do them in real life, and they provide the opportunity for character growth. From there have her watching a movie one day, not every fucking day, just once after the biology thing is cleared. You choose to sit with her and watch this romance movie that makes her all nervous around you, blushing and giggling. Then give you the option to kiss her. Boom, you don't just kiss a little, you kinda make out till you hear mom get out of the bathroom upstairs, and quickly pretend you were just watching the movie. Boom, now you've advanced that relationship again, you're both having lust filled thoughts about one another.
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                     After you've cleared that you could have her start sending him sexy bikini pics from the store. Something she's doing because she likes him. Have her be more affectionate, hugs that linger, kisses on the cheek or lips when no one's looking etc. Then have her come to you for homework help again, this time it doesn't matter what, but the real reason is going to be that she wants him alone in her room so that she can make out with him. You could have them make out and heavy pet over the clothes to orgasm like the game already does here. This is the point at which their relationship has changed from just being a curious bro and sis kissing sometimes to something with actual lust.
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                     Have the sister avoid you for a day or two, building up your need for a release because you want her but can't have her. Again actual quality writing comes in here. Because these games usually just let you loose to your own devices this kind of shit doesn't happen. But because of whats happened force an event where you look up porn. Your sister hears it and comes in to catch you mid fap. She's curious, she wants to see. This scene is also already in the game, but its now organic, boom, she gives you her first blowjob. She likes having helped you get off. It makes her feel sexy and wanted.
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                     The next day have her invite you to watch a move with her in a theatre or something. Have her choose the horror movie because she knows that its normal for girls to cling to their date at scary moments. It gives them a reason to be close. It also opens up the first time she sleeps in your bed. But neither of them can just sleep and they end up making out, this time you please her, going down on her she cums and falls asleep satisfied and naked in your arms.
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                     Next day have her send him a naked selfie from the bathroom saying come here, I need you. Bam you have your bathroom scene only, make them please one another, even if this is another blowjob and pussy eating, make sure they keep up their relationship. Have them almost get caught here, her shoving you underwater while mom comes in to check on her. This creates tension and makes it a little hotter. Because the heat is on she sleeps alone in her even though she enjoyed you last time.
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                     A few days pass now, kisses and heavy petting happen but keep getting interrupted for some reason before finally she gets the courage to come to your room again. This time in nothing but a shirt. Tonight you two have sex for the first time. Make it sweet, make her feel good, make her want to make him feel good, show the blood, most people have a virgin fetish, have him make love to her make sure she has an orgasm from his dick insider her, and make her beg him to cum inside.
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                     The next day you both wake up in panic, have him go buy plan b, keep her from getting pregnant and have her get an appointment for birth control. Here is where he buys her the sexy lingerie, have her mention it just like she does in game. Then in a few days, have her come to him in lingerie this time, have them fuck again and again that night. They're too far gone now.
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                     Here is where she should somehow make a comment about being curious about sex with a girl, kind of make her coyly float the idea of a threesome, but make no commitment. A few days later (fucking every night now) have her call him into her room to help with some homework again. You go in to find her with the friend. She has convinced her to have this experience, apparently she knew her friend already had a crush on you and she convinced her to join you. Bam, make this scene a bonafide threesome instead of just the two of them blowing you. Now you have this option to include her in your fun sometimes.
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                     I would keep this going, have her do the sexy school girl look, have her continue to call you into the bath sometimes, have her get curious about anal, seriously her character is a gold mine for trying all kinds of different depraved shit. She's curious and you're her willing training wheels.
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                     Seriously cut all the affection gaining content where you have to greet her in the morning and say she looks good. Cut all the forced grind. Just have events that come one after another on a progressive scale. It would be a million times more erotic. Then, after you've satisfied yourself with her story, start on big sis or mom. If you want big sis to turn out to be a sub who loves to be treated like shit, that's fine, have him find that out. Make the reason she gets arrested not be about her being a bitch to someone in the bar, have it about one of her regular customers forcing her to work without panties, wearing a vibe or something, have him make her approach a guy and lift her skirt to grind on him. Have that man's wife be a cop who is coming back from the bathroom and arrests her under those circumstances. Have your character find all this out through the police report and the friend.
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                     After you've put the pieces together use it for blackmail on her. This blackmail would be so much better than the flimsy one originally. It wouldn't just be her job or her being arrested, it would also be her reputation. She isn't ready to have her mom look at her after she finds out that she is a little slut who works with a vibrator in her pussy because it makes her feel good, she isn't ready to have her boss find out she's breaking the rules and actually having sex with a patron. No, you're going to get her now. Then have him step it up with the chores, then the maid outfit, then the spanking, similar to how it already does, only take out the grind. Have him start her on chores the next day, then head to the store because he realizes it would be fun to have her wear a maid outfit, make her wear it, the blackmail is actually good this time, so while she should still fight, she should give up.
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                     So, you have her doing chores, but she decides to fight again, she tells you to go fuck yourself when you tell her to scrub the toilet. So you grab her by the hand, take her to the bathroom grab the toilet wand and toss it out of the bathroom. Force her to her knees and tell her that she's going to clean the toilet with her tongue for disobeying you. She fights, so he spanks her. This surprises her, but also arouses her, she fights a little longer before finally she starts licking the toilet clean. When she finishes, she says she's sorry master, that she'll be good. You haven't told her to call you master.
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                     The next time she decides to disobey you can be the one where she's tossing the clothes all over the bathroom. Here you realize that she likes being punished, by you. So you tell her, you have something new in mind. You make her suck your dick instead. After forcefully throat fucking her, she decides to obey you for the next few days. You decide to reward her, same idea, you finger her, maybe even eat her out. Its here that you tell her you want her to stop wearing panties, at all. You go to find her at work check to make sure, just like it already happens, then the friend approaches you about it. She hints heavily that she wants your sister. You remember this.
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                     The next week progresses with you fingering her, spanking her, etc until the end of the week where you tell her she's earned a reward. You tell her you'll come pick her up from work. Have her beg you to finger her in the cab, but then edge her, don't let her cum. Take her to her room and edge her again with your tongue this time, now she's begging for release, she's willing to be fucked by her brother just to get off. You give her what she wants, you fuck the shit out of her and cum inside. You aren't gentle like you were with the little sister, you cum inside and don't care if she gets pregnant.
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                     Now that you've got her fucking you you step things up, you get her to deep throat you in the cab, you fuck her ass, etc. Once you know she's yours you invite the friend. I'd have the two of them spit roast her, and finish it up with DP, you choose ass or pussy. Now you can include the friend after work if you ever want to. I'd also include an option to get little sis in on this, if she's complete. When you're satisfied with this line you move on to mom.
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                     Mom should be the hardest. And she should be completely rewritten. Honestly, in order to get the mom the prerequisite should be that you're already fucking both sisters, so they are more than willing to talk about how great you are. On top of that, you should have a Job and be contributing to the bills. No financial crisis, but make sure that you're paying like half. At this point have mom have a guy over. Have him try to force himself on her tearing her clothes off, literally torn and tattered making her unable to hide her nakedness when you have MC burst in and stop him. Drag him out in a chokehold and throw him out on his ass. All of this combined and now your mom sees you not just as her son, but as a man.
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                     You are still gonna have to work here. The next day you check on your mom, she's tense, sitting on the couch. You offer to sit with her. She isn't ready to talk about it. You offer her a massage and she reluctantly agrees. You start on her shoulders and back, then move down to her legs and feet. She finally asks you to stop. I don't like the idea of getting her drunk so that you can go farther here, so i'd scrap that. Instead a few days later have him check on her again. Have her seem a little more comfortable, but have her ask for a massage this time. Boom now she's involved in this. She's still gonna be reluctant, but it was her choice to ask for another massage.
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                     Now you overhear the conversation between her and your aunt. She talks about how ever since that night you've been a little sexually frustrated and you didn't know why. Have her explain how good it felt to have your hands on her, how wrong it felt. Have her mention the dick again. Here's the catch here, your mom has started to see you as a man. So now, have you go meet her at yoga in the morning. This is where she first notices that she makes you hard. That makes her feel sexy, desired, wanted. She notices she's wet.
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                     Now you can have her discover you naked and alone in bed with your big dick out. I'd just have her stand there at the door and watch for a minute until she finally closes the door in shame. Overhear another conversation between her and her sister in which she mentions that she went to a forum to look for advice to the weird feeling she's having about you recently. Sneak in while she's in the bath to find her email, just like the game already does. I kinda like the idea of a psychiatrist convincing mom its ok. It works in A View of Family, and it works in this. So you still do the email yourself. You take over, getting your mom to loosen up around you. Have her lose composure after a massage and kiss you.
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                     Second email time. You respond asking if she's talked to you about how you feel. She comes to you, you tell her that you're ok with it, if she is. You kiss again, this time it gets hot and heavy. She leaves flustered. She emails again. This time she tells you that you are interested. So you respond that its natural. You should let yourself feel what you want, let him feel what he wants. have her take you on a date. Give you the opportunity to pay for it. Make her get drunk, not because you want to take advantage of her, but because she wants to lose some inhibition. She takes you home, but invites you to her room. She gives you a blowjob and lets you cum on her tits. She says that's far enough for now.
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                     Have 2 more dates. After the first of these, have her be too reluctant to do anything, but have her ask if you want to go on another date with her. If you choose yes, then she kisses you passionately, but she tells you that she's not ready for more, wants to take this a little slow. On date three make MC offer her another massage. This massage leads to him stripping her and going full erotic massage to finger her and make her cum. Have her plan a vacation with just you... even if its a hotel room in the city for a night, something so that she can fuck you away from her daughters. That night at the hotel you have sex all night long.
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                     Move this relationship as much as it needs to. Honestly I don't see mom being corrupt enough to have sex with you and her daughters. So I don't suggest a threesome route here. But have her give anal and tit fucks and things like that. Make her worth deciding to sleep with that night. In the end I'd leave the game open ended. Have a message play that you've reached the end of the game, feel free to save here, you'll be able to replay any sex scene you want from her on out. Boom. 1000x better game. Still gives you a harem and you have to make the right decisions to get here.
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                        In my post in this thread  I caution the developer against falling into the traps that BB and MotH fell into. Their grind is not normal. It isn't how a game should play. Its unimmersive and frankly lazy. There is a way to create a dating sim with some intelligence. First rule, don't make the women dead fish that your MC has to slowly convince to have sex with him. Make them their own characters with their own experiences (or lack of) with their own desires, and with their own motivations. In MotH the the only character that fits all three of those is the little sister. The older sister has none of them and the mother only has desire because of a contrived coincidence. Women don't just fall for the dick man, sorry to break it to you.
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                        After you've written women with all of the above there are ways to make you court them without repeating the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Instead make the characters do something together because they want to. In the case of MotH there are plenty of ways this could have been implemented, but mostly it was just grind.
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                        Lets start with little sis, because quite frankly she's the only believable character in this game. She's curious about sex and attracted to her strong smart helpful older brother. Honestly the first little bit, how you get started with her, make sense. You help her with what should be different homework every night. Write it, sure math isn't interesting, but its a hell of a lot more interesting than clicking through some bullshit. Have a specific element of the math that she's working on. Make it something simple even like a^2 + b ^2 = c^2. Work a few simple equations with her. Then the next day, do another subject. History, for instance, help her write an essay on WWII or something, Make a few simple mentions of DDay or how Hitler killed himself, make a reference to pearl harbor, nagasaki, hiroshima, etc.The next day (remember the rule of 3) have her need help with anatomy. Have the conversation be about reproduction organs and orgasms and semen and ovaries. At that point have her say something to him about sex. Have her ask if he'd like to try kissing her.
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                        There you have a "grind" because you have to clear a few hurdles to get to that point, but those hurdles aren't repeated, you would be likely to do them in real life, and they provide the opportunity for character growth. From there have her watching a movie one day, not every fucking day, just once after the biology thing is cleared. You choose to sit with her and watch this romance movie that makes her all nervous around you, blushing and giggling. Then give you the option to kiss her. Boom, you don't just kiss a little, you kinda make out till you hear mom get out of the bathroom upstairs, and quickly pretend you were just watching the movie. Boom, now you've advanced that relationship again, you're both having lust filled thoughts about one another.
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                        After you've cleared that you could have her start sending him sexy bikini pics from the store. Something she's doing because she likes him. Have her be more affectionate, hugs that linger, kisses on the cheek or lips when no one's looking etc. Then have her come to you for homework help again, this time it doesn't matter what, but the real reason is going to be that she wants him alone in her room so that she can make out with him. You could have them make out and heavy pet over the clothes to orgasm like the game already does here. This is the point at which their relationship has changed from just being a curious bro and sis kissing sometimes to something with actual lust.
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                        Have the sister avoid you for a day or two, building up your need for a release because you want her but can't have her. Again actual quality writing comes in here. Because these games usually just let you loose to your own devices this kind of shit doesn't happen. But because of whats happened force an event where you look up porn. Your sister hears it and comes in to catch you mid fap. She's curious, she wants to see. This scene is also already in the game, but its now organic, boom, she gives you her first blowjob. She likes having helped you get off. It makes her feel sexy and wanted.
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                        The next day have her invite you to watch a move with her in a theatre or something. Have her choose the horror movie because she knows that its normal for girls to cling to their date at scary moments. It gives them a reason to be close. It also opens up the first time she sleeps in your bed. But neither of them can just sleep and they end up making out, this time you please her, going down on her she cums and falls asleep satisfied and naked in your arms.
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                        Next day have her send him a naked selfie from the bathroom saying come here, I need you. Bam you have your bathroom scene only, make them please one another, even if this is another blowjob and pussy eating, make sure they keep up their relationship. Have them almost get caught here, her shoving you underwater while mom comes in to check on her. This creates tension and makes it a little hotter. Because the heat is on she sleeps alone in her even though she enjoyed you last time.
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                        A few days pass now, kisses and heavy petting happen but keep getting interrupted for some reason before finally she gets the courage to come to your room again. This time in nothing but a shirt. Tonight you two have sex for the first time. Make it sweet, make her feel good, make her want to make him feel good, show the blood, most people have a virgin fetish, have him make love to her make sure she has an orgasm from his dick insider her, and make her beg him to cum inside.
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                        The next day you both wake up in panic, have him go buy plan b, keep her from getting pregnant and have her get an appointment for birth control. Here is where he buys her the sexy lingerie, have her mention it just like she does in game. Then in a few days, have her come to him in lingerie this time, have them fuck again and again that night. They're too far gone now.
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                        Here is where she should somehow make a comment about being curious about sex with a girl, kind of make her coyly float the idea of a threesome, but make no commitment. A few days later (fucking every night now) have her call him into her room to help with some homework again. You go in to find her with the friend. She has convinced her to have this experience, apparently she knew her friend already had a crush on you and she convinced her to join you. Bam, make this scene a bonafide threesome instead of just the two of them blowing you. Now you have this option to include her in your fun sometimes.
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                        I would keep this going, have her do the sexy school girl look, have her continue to call you into the bath sometimes, have her get curious about anal, seriously her character is a gold mine for trying all kinds of different depraved shit. She's curious and you're her willing training wheels.
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                        Seriously cut all the affection gaining content where you have to greet her in the morning and say she looks good. Cut all the forced grind. Just have events that come one after another on a progressive scale. It would be a million times more erotic. Then, after you've satisfied yourself with her story, start on big sis or mom. If you want big sis to turn out to be a sub who loves to be treated like shit, that's fine, have him find that out. Make the reason she gets arrested not be about her being a bitch to someone in the bar, have it about one of her regular customers forcing her to work without panties, wearing a vibe or something, have him make her approach a guy and lift her skirt to grind on him. Have that man's wife be a cop who is coming back from the bathroom and arrests her under those circumstances. Have your character find all this out through the police report and the friend.
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                        After you've put the pieces together use it for blackmail on her. This blackmail would be so much better than the flimsy one originally. It wouldn't just be her job or her being arrested, it would also be her reputation. She isn't ready to have her mom look at her after she finds out that she is a little slut who works with a vibrator in her pussy because it makes her feel good, she isn't ready to have her boss find out she's breaking the rules and actually having sex with a patron. No, you're going to get her now. Then have him step it up with the chores, then the maid outfit, then the spanking, similar to how it already does, only take out the grind. Have him start her on chores the next day, then head to the store because he realizes it would be fun to have her wear a maid outfit, make her wear it, the blackmail is actually good this time, so while she should still fight, she should give up.
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                        So, you have her doing chores, but she decides to fight again, she tells you to go fuck yourself when you tell her to scrub the toilet. So you grab her by the hand, take her to the bathroom grab the toilet wand and toss it out of the bathroom. Force her to her knees and tell her that she's going to clean the toilet with her tongue for disobeying you. She fights, so he spanks her. This surprises her, but also arouses her, she fights a little longer before finally she starts licking the toilet clean. When she finishes, she says she's sorry master, that she'll be good. You haven't told her to call you master.
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                        The next time she decides to disobey you can be the one where she's tossing the clothes all over the bathroom. Here you realize that she likes being punished, by you. So you tell her, you have something new in mind. You make her suck your dick instead. After forcefully throat fucking her, she decides to obey you for the next few days. You decide to reward her, same idea, you finger her, maybe even eat her out. Its here that you tell her you want her to stop wearing panties, at all. You go to find her at work check to make sure, just like it already happens, then the friend approaches you about it. She hints heavily that she wants your sister. You remember this.
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                        The next week progresses with you fingering her, spanking her, etc until the end of the week where you tell her she's earned a reward. You tell her you'll come pick her up from work. Have her beg you to finger her in the cab, but then edge her, don't let her cum. Take her to her room and edge her again with your tongue this time, now she's begging for release, she's willing to be fucked by her brother just to get off. You give her what she wants, you fuck the shit out of her and cum inside. You aren't gentle like you were with the little sister, you cum inside and don't care if she gets pregnant.
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                        Now that you've got her fucking you you step things up, you get her to deep throat you in the cab, you fuck her ass, etc. Once you know she's yours you invite the friend. I'd have the two of them spit roast her, and finish it up with DP, you choose ass or pussy. Now you can include the friend after work if you ever want to. I'd also include an option to get little sis in on this, if she's complete. When you're satisfied with this line you move on to mom.
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                        Mom should be the hardest. And she should be completely rewritten. Honestly, in order to get the mom the prerequisite should be that you're already fucking both sisters, so they are more than willing to talk about how great you are. On top of that, you should have a Job and be contributing to the bills. No financial crisis, but make sure that you're paying like half. At this point have mom have a guy over. Have him try to force himself on her tearing her clothes off, literally torn and tattered making her unable to hide her nakedness when you have MC burst in and stop him. Drag him out in a chokehold and throw him out on his ass. All of this combined and now your mom sees you not just as her son, but as a man.
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                        You are still gonna have to work here. The next day you check on your mom, she's tense, sitting on the couch. You offer to sit with her. She isn't ready to talk about it. You offer her a massage and she reluctantly agrees. You start on her shoulders and back, then move down to her legs and feet. She finally asks you to stop. I don't like the idea of getting her drunk so that you can go farther here, so i'd scrap that. Instead a few days later have him check on her again. Have her seem a little more comfortable, but have her ask for a massage this time. Boom now she's involved in this. She's still gonna be reluctant, but it was her choice to ask for another massage.
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                        Now you overhear the conversation between her and your aunt. She talks about how ever since that night you've been a little sexually frustrated and you didn't know why. Have her explain how good it felt to have your hands on her, how wrong it felt. Have her mention the dick again. Here's the catch here, your mom has started to see you as a man. So now, have you go meet her at yoga in the morning. This is where she first notices that she makes you hard. That makes her feel sexy, desired, wanted. She notices she's wet.
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                        Now you can have her discover you naked and alone in bed with your big dick out. I'd just have her stand there at the door and watch for a minute until she finally closes the door in shame. Overhear another conversation between her and her sister in which she mentions that she went to a forum to look for advice to the weird feeling she's having about you recently. Sneak in while she's in the bath to find her email, just like the game already does. I kinda like the idea of a psychiatrist convincing mom its ok. It works in A View of Family, and it works in this. So you still do the email yourself. You take over, getting your mom to loosen up around you. Have her lose composure after a massage and kiss you.
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                        Second email time. You respond asking if she's talked to you about how you feel. She comes to you, you tell her that you're ok with it, if she is. You kiss again, this time it gets hot and heavy. She leaves flustered. She emails again. This time she tells you that you are interested. So you respond that its natural. You should let yourself feel what you want, let him feel what he wants. have her take you on a date. Give you the opportunity to pay for it. Make her get drunk, not because you want to take advantage of her, but because she wants to lose some inhibition. She takes you home, but invites you to her room. She gives you a blowjob and lets you cum on her tits. She says that's far enough for now.
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                        Have 2 more dates. After the first of these, have her be too reluctant to do anything, but have her ask if you want to go on another date with her. If you choose yes, then she kisses you passionately, but she tells you that she's not ready for more, wants to take this a little slow. On date three make MC offer her another massage. This massage leads to him stripping her and going full erotic massage to finger her and make her cum. Have her plan a vacation with just you... even if its a hotel room in the city for a night, something so that she can fuck you away from her daughters. That night at the hotel you have sex all night long.
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                        Move this relationship as much as it needs to. Honestly I don't see mom being corrupt enough to have sex with you and her daughters. So I don't suggest a threesome route here. But have her give anal and tit fucks and things like that. Make her worth deciding to sleep with that night. In the end I'd leave the game open ended. Have a message play that you've reached the end of the game, feel free to save here, you'll be able to replay any sex scene you want from her on out. Boom. 1000x better game. Still gives you a harem and you have to make the right decisions to get here.
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                     that was really well thought out, it sounds like it would make a nice game, however i think you are forgetting a few things.
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                     First and I think most importantly none of us asked for this game the dev had a idea, a story in his head and he wanted to share it. What we are seeing is his ideas mixed with other peoples requests.
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                     Second when he open a patreon account and asked for funding he agreed to let those people have a certain amount of influence over the creation of his game and wanting it to reach the largest audience he looks for feed back from people such as us here and on other forums. Taking these factors into action you must realize that there are suddenly alot of opinions and tastes influencing the games development. Would your above idea make everyone happy? no, i know personally i like your ideas for the little sister for the most part but i don't like them for older sister or mother. thats just my opinion though.
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                     I'm sure there are people who will like all of your ideas, some will like part of your ideas and some that won't like most of them. The fact that the game is so popular shows that while i'm sure we all have one or two things we'd like to change about it, for the most part alot of us love the game. it's popularity speaks for itself.
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                     I think it comes down to everyone has a right to their opinion and a responsibility to express that opinion in a healthy, respectful way like you and burt did and to remember that these games are free to us and if you don't like one or it isn't your taste thats ok, no one will judge you keep looking till you find the game you love but don't make posts just to tear down a game or a dev or say everyone must do only what you like ( not referring to you darth) because that is ignoring others opinions and thats not acceptable.
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                     I had hoped my earlier posts about grinding would help people look at "grinding" and the game in a different light.
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                     I offered my take on his game which he decided to make for money. I wholly expect someone to look critically at my game when i release it. Having an idea and sharing that idea doesn't make you immune to criticism if your idea is complete crap.
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                     I think you should probably take a look at the thread I linked in the other post. There are plenty of posts talking about the dos and don'ts of opening up your game to public feedback. The suggestion is that you set your own content ideas that you plan on implementing anyways as the poll options. Then you do the one they like the most first. Don't let them dictate your own creative process. It ruins the game.
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                     I barely deviated from his plot with the older sister, I dropped the grind, made her punishments more severe, and salvaged his broken as fuck blackmail scenario that wouldn't have worked on the daugher in DMD, let alone his older sister. Maybe it was too hardcore for you, that's fine. Its not necessary.
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                     As for mom, I stuck pretty close to hers as well, only I added depth and story instead of grind. It makes much more sense for the woman who birthed 3 children to not be your little manipulated 1 dimensional cum bucket. I say again, women don't get hypnotized by every big dick they see. The entire premise of your seduction of your mom would be over the moment she saw you naked. Why? because she doesn't see you as a man. You have to fix that. Do you have to do it the way I did? No, but I was trying to stay true to his mechanics. The one thing you could drop is the sister requirement, I just know it would be better for your sisters to praise you around mom, that's all.
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                     I'm gonna come off as arrogant with this comment, I'm not, I simply understand the elements of a good story. Nothing about the grind system with bullshit rewards as presented in MotH is of any value. I'm not trying to salvage it because I like it. I'm offering an alternative to highlight it's weaknesses. MotH has one thing going for it, semi quality renders. its' not special in any way beyond that. None of its gameplay was fun. I wasn't invested in a single character. Stupid fetch quests and boring repetative tasks made playing this game a chore. Fuck the entire format of MotH. Stop sucking up to someone just because they made something and start respecting yourself enough to complain when something sucks.
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                        I offered my take on his game which he decided to make for money. I wholly expect someone to look critically at my game when i release it. Having an idea and sharing that idea doesn't make you immune to criticism if your idea is complete crap.
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                        I barely deviated from his plot with the older sister, I dropped the grind, made her punishments more severe, and salvaged his broken as fuck blackmail scenario that wouldn't have worked on the daugher in DMD, let alone his older sister. Maybe it was too hardcore for you, that's fine. Its not necessary.
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                        As for mom, I stuck pretty close to hers as well, only I added depth and story instead of grind. It makes much more sense for the woman who birthed 3 children to not be your little manipulated 1 dimensional cum bucket. I say again, women don't get hypnotized by every big dick they see. The entire premise of your seduction of your mom would be over the moment she saw you naked. Why? because she doesn't see you as a man. You have to fix that. Do you have to do it the way I did? No, but I was trying to stay true to his mechanics. The one thing you could drop is the sister requirement, I just know it would be better for your sisters to praise you around mom, that's all.
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                        I'm gonna come off as arrogant with this comment, I'm not, I simply understand the elements of a good story. Nothing about the grind system with bullshit rewards as presented in MotH is of any value. I'm not trying to salvage it because I like it. I'm offering an alternative to highlight it's weaknesses. MotH has one thing going for it, semi quality renders. its' not special in any way beyond that. None of its gameplay was fun. I wasn't invested in a single character. Stupid fetch quests and boring repetative tasks made playing this game a chore. Fuck the entire format of MotH. Stop sucking up to someone just because they made something and start respecting yourself enough to complain when something sucks.
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                     and that is all your opinion and you are entitled to it, i only the other hand enjoyed the game, i enjoyed doing the pizza job and then juggling the fitness and pizza jobs, i enjoyed the interactions with the mother and sisters and i enjoyed the story. Was there things i didn't enjoy sure but not enough to post about them.
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                     you make references to "Women don't just fall for the dick man, sorry to break it to you." and "I say again, women don't get hypnotized by every big dick they see." and in real life you are right but they also don't "make her beg him to cum inside." when they have sex for the first time...... in real life that is.
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                     weakest argument I've ever heard. Mine is based in human psychology, yours is groungless assumption of character of the woman in question. The Little sister is exactly the kind of depraved slut that would beg you to do it inside, dying to know what it feels like.
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                        is useless to exchange opinions with someone so arrogant that claims to have the truth and doesn't accept other opinions and tastes. The number of players that MotH has gives you the reason. Maybe we are facing someone who is jealous or envious, nothing more. A clue can be
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                     You call me arrogant. I talked in psychological terms, made improvements to the game that addressed the issue of grind while still offering a progressive story, and mentioned the money because Morphnet made it sound like he only made the game out of the goodness of his heart. If you'd bothered at all to make an intelligent comment you'd have noticed I've only been around a month as of today.
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                     My problems with games like MotH and their poor mechanics base story and overall crap nature is what has inspired me to become a developer. I'm critical of the game, but I'm not just complaining, I'm taking action in the hopes of fixing the industry that is flooded with these basic sims. You don't have to like me, but you're not earning anyone's respect by kissing Faerin's feet. I'm sure Faerin is a good guy. I'm sure he didn't set out to make crap, but you're not doing him a service by defending him. Criticism makes us better. Blind deference makes us weaker.
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                        Dude its a porn game. They are not known for realism or great story telling. Ill give you my take on MoTH. MoTH and other games that I support or follow are like b flicks. Movies like sharknado where the plot is ridiculous and the scenes so bad its funny. But you find yourself enjoying it. MoTH isnt a bad game. Its an enjoyable game and the community around it is possibly the best on this site. Faerin is a great dev as far as devs go and he is more than willing to listen to comments and give feedback. If you have issues with him you can easily talk to him about it.
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                     The community around the game has nothing to do with the content. I'll repeat what that content is because you've forgotten. Its:
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                     the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                     the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                     the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                     There you go, the entire script of Man of the House, and Big Brother for that matter, though I actually give BB the edge on story, because with Eric, your mothers psychological problems, and your aunts schemes there is actually something to do other than convince reluctant women to fuck your boyish body.
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                     That's not enjoyable, its not fun, there's nothing good or great about that. It has a few ok sex scenes but getting to them is like going to work, unless you cheat. But that's just it, you have to cheat to enjoy the game. Its broken and so broken that they admitted it and put in a cheat. You guys are convincing yourselves you liked it because you've put so much time, and possibly money into it that your brain decides it was worth it. Again Sunk Cost Fallacy. Look it up, its a real thing.
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                     The flaws in MotH aren't some subjective thing like, "Oh I don't like NTR." the common complaint with BB. No, the complaints are the grind and the 1 dimensional characters. These aren't things that you should sit back and accept as the standard. We can do better, we do, do better. Look at a game like Depraved Awakenings, each character has a backstory, motivations, desires. Your reasons for interacting with them range. Your choices for how to interact with them have real stakes and consequences. Look at Wicked Choices, that game is a master class in how to write a sex scene. Look at Dreaming of Dana, its a life sim just like MotH, only the characters are actually involved in their relationships to you, there are stakes, you have to make choices.
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                     You can't sit back and tell me that "its a porn game it isn't supposed to be believable." that's like saying that a movie with a fantasy premise doesn't have to ground itself in reality. Movies books and the like all have things that make them work and or things that they rely on but shouldn't (usually) maguffins and deus ex machina for instance. The same can be said for porn games. What MotH does is simulate gameplay and story investment through a repetitive task that ends in a reward. The grind is weak story telling in action. It is a lack of ability to create a reason for these characters to want to fuck naturally so we are going to wear them down with menial tasks. It has to be called out for what it is, TOXIC.
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                     I'm not saying these things to hurt your feelings, hell I don't even want Faerin to be hurt by what I've said. I'm saying it to broaden your mind and show you that there's a right and a wrong way to do things. I guarantee you can come up with a function in a game that you hate. Here, I will help, I'm a huge bethesda nerd. I love me an open sandbox. Skyrim is a fun game, but it sucks in so many ways, Its dumbed down RPG elements ruin some of the magic of earlier games, and the way it literally nerfs magic itself in the game makes it absolutely necessary to learn some combat skills other than magic in the early game without mods. Fallout 4 is even worse, its a series of radiating quests that have no substance. The world design is incredible, but without a quality story to keep you exploring it, like was present in both flalout 3 and even better in Obsidian's New Vegas, you are left getting angry at preston for asking you to work for another settlement or putting up another beacon for tinker tom at the same place you just put a beacon for tinker tom.
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                     Its ok to call out broken mechanics, especially in things you enjoy, because doing so can only make them better. And that is the goal. Make the adult gaming community better. The better we are, the more powerful we become, the less we need platforms like Patreon and the more we can move into a higher quality domain maybe even create a professional class industry like they have in japan. That'll never happen so long as people suck faerin's dick for scraps.
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                        You call me arrogant. I talked in psychological terms, made improvements to the game that addressed the issue of grind while still offering a progressive story, and mentioned the money because Morphnet made it sound like he only made the game out of the goodness of his heart. If you'd bothered at all to make an intelligent comment you'd have noticed I've only been around a month as of today.
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                        My problems with games like MotH and their poor mechanics base story and overall crap nature is what has inspired me to become a developer. I'm critical of the game, but I'm not just complaining, I'm taking action in the hopes of fixing the industry that is flooded with these basic sims. You don't have to like me, but you're not earning anyone's respect by kissing Faerin's feet. I'm sure Faerin is a good guy. I'm sure he didn't set out to make crap, but you're not doing him a service by defending him. Criticism makes us better. Blind deference makes us weaker.
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                        The community around the game has nothing to do with the content. I'll repeat what that content is because you've forgotten. Its:
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                        the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                        the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                        the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                        There you go, the entire script of Man of the House, and Big Brother for that matter, though I actually give BB the edge on story, because with Eric, your mothers psychological problems, and your aunts schemes there is actually something to do other than convince reluctant women to fuck your boyish body.
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                        That's not enjoyable, its not fun, there's nothing good or great about that. It has a few ok sex scenes but getting to them is like going to work, unless you cheat. But that's just it, you have to cheat to enjoy the game. Its broken and so broken that they admitted it and put in a cheat. You guys are convincing yourselves you liked it because you've put so much time, and possibly money into it that your brain decides it was worth it. Again Sunk Cost Fallacy. Look it up, its a real thing.
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                        The flaws in MotH aren't some subjective thing like, "Oh I don't like NTR." the common complaint with BB. No, the complaints are the grind and the 1 dimensional characters. These aren't things that you should sit back and accept as the standard. We can do better, we do, do better. Look at a game like Depraved Awakenings, each character has a backstory, motivations, desires. Your reasons for interacting with them range. Your choices for how to interact with them have real stakes and consequences. Look at Wicked Choices, that game is a master class in how to write a sex scene. Look at Dreaming of Dana, its a life sim just like MotH, only the characters are actually involved in their relationships to you, there are stakes, you have to make choices.
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                        You can't sit back and tell me that "its a porn game it isn't supposed to be believable." that's like saying that a movie with a fantasy premise doesn't have to ground itself in reality. Movies books and the like all have things that make them work and or things that they rely on but shouldn't (usually) maguffins and deus ex machina for instance. The same can be said for porn games. What MotH does is simulate gameplay and story investment through a repetitive task that ends in a reward. The grind is weak story telling in action. It is a lack of ability to create a reason for these characters to want to fuck naturally so we are going to wear them down with menial tasks. It has to be called out for what it is, TOXIC.
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                        I'm not saying these things to hurt your feelings, hell I don't even want Faerin to be hurt by what I've said. I'm saying it to broaden your mind and show you that there's a right and a wrong way to do things. I guarantee you can come up with a function in a game that you hate. Here, I will help, I'm a huge bethesda nerd. I love me an open sandbox. Skyrim is a fun game, but it sucks in so many ways, Its dumbed down RPG elements ruin some of the magic of earlier games, and the way it literally nerfs magic itself in the game makes it absolutely necessary to learn some combat skills other than magic in the early game without mods. Fallout 4 is even worse, its a series of radiating quests that have no substance. The world design is incredible, but without a quality story to keep you exploring it, like was present in both flalout 3 and even better in Obsidian's New Vegas, you are left getting angry at preston for asking you to work for another settlement or putting up another beacon for tinker tom at the same place you just put a beacon for tinker tom.
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                        Its ok to call out broken mechanics, especially in things you enjoy, because doing so can only make them better. And that is the goal. Make the adult gaming community better. The better we are, the more powerful we become, the less we need platforms like Patreon and the more we can move into a higher quality domain maybe even create a professional class industry like they have in japan. That'll never happen so long as people suck faerin's dick for scraps.
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                     First what you find enjoyable someone else doesn't and vice versa. This isn't a game meant for its story telling like in Depraved Awakenings and its still further behind in updates than BB to even consider giving BB an edge in story telling. You're more than welcome to have your criticism, but you're acting like a pompous asshole. People are going to support games that they enjoy and don't. Its as simple as that. Its what drives the market. Right now a lot of games have incest because people are willing to pay for it. If people wanted to play and pay for a porn game that had NTR or doggy fucking I guarantee you would see games with those fetishes in it. MoTH is just a game you play to kill some time and perhaps have a good time along the way.
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                        First what you find enjoyable someone else doesn't and vice versa. This isn't a game meant for its story telling like in Depraved Awakenings and its still further behind in updates than BB to even consider giving BB an edge in story telling. You're more than welcome to have your criticism, but you're acting like a pompous asshole. People are going to support games that they enjoy and don't. Its as simple as that. Its what drives the market. Right now a lot of games have incest because people are willing to pay for it. If people wanted to play and pay for a porn game that had NTR or doggy fucking I guarantee you would see games with those fetishes in it. MoTH is just a game you play to kill some time and perhaps have a good time along the way.
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                        I'll politely disagree with you over BB story telling, but I'm not defending it because of the amount of time Ive played on it. You don't need to lecture me over fallacies. I am simply stating a reason why its popular in the first place. No matter what you do, no matter how amazing a game is for some, the market is where game development is. MoTH is a game that checks all the right fetishes.  Renders are good (not the best obviously). Story is lacking, but enough to keep people coming back. Faerin is a solid developer and manages to keep pumping 2 (short) updates a month which patrons like. Instead of one maybe every month to two months. Don't get me started on the amount of people who complain just because they have to wait a month for an update. Its also a reason why some people like him. As for myself, MoTH is a game that I play maybe once every 2 to 3 updates to kill sometime. The grind isn't unbearable, but Id rather deal without it.
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                        BB had a better story from the beginning. You're right it's not the same as Depraved Awakenings, but it is the dame thing as Dreaming of Dana which did have a story that made it worth playing. Grind being bad isn't an opinion, its an objective reality. I'm not trying to insult you for playing it, I did too, but I think you're defending a piece of garbage because you've spent so much time on it.
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                        You call me arrogant. I talked in psychological terms, made improvements to the game that addressed the issue of grind while still offering a progressive story, and mentioned the money because Morphnet made it sound like he only made the game out of the goodness of his heart. If you'd bothered at all to make an intelligent comment you'd have noticed I've only been around a month as of today.
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                        My problems with games like MotH and their poor mechanics base story and overall crap nature is what has inspired me to become a developer. I'm critical of the game, but I'm not just complaining, I'm taking action in the hopes of fixing the industry that is flooded with these basic sims. You don't have to like me, but you're not earning anyone's respect by kissing Faerin's feet. I'm sure Faerin is a good guy. I'm sure he didn't set out to make crap, but you're not doing him a service by defending him. Criticism makes us better. Blind deference makes us weaker.
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                        The community around the game has nothing to do with the content. I'll repeat what that content is because you've forgotten. Its:
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                        the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                        the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                        the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh is that a nipple? and over and over and over and over and over and over and ok I've seen this nipple 20 times now and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ooh a blowjob and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and damn how did he make a blowjob boring and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and finally I got her to have sex with me.. .wait that's it, I don't get to do anything new with her now? huh I guess I'll see about the other girls.
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                        There you go, the entire script of Man of the House, and Big Brother for that matter, though I actually give BB the edge on story, because with Eric, your mothers psychological problems, and your aunts schemes there is actually something to do other than convince reluctant women to fuck your boyish body.
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                        That's not enjoyable, its not fun, there's nothing good or great about that. It has a few ok sex scenes but getting to them is like going to work, unless you cheat. But that's just it, you have to cheat to enjoy the game. Its broken and so broken that they admitted it and put in a cheat. You guys are convincing yourselves you liked it because you've put so much time, and possibly money into it that your brain decides it was worth it. Again Sunk Cost Fallacy. Look it up, its a real thing.
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                        The flaws in MotH aren't some subjective thing like, "Oh I don't like NTR." the common complaint with BB. No, the complaints are the grind and the 1 dimensional characters. These aren't things that you should sit back and accept as the standard. We can do better, we do, do better. Look at a game like Depraved Awakenings, each character has a backstory, motivations, desires. Your reasons for interacting with them range. Your choices for how to interact with them have real stakes and consequences. Look at Wicked Choices, that game is a master class in how to write a sex scene. Look at Dreaming of Dana, its a life sim just like MotH, only the characters are actually involved in their relationships to you, there are stakes, you have to make choices.
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                        You can't sit back and tell me that "its a porn game it isn't supposed to be believable." that's like saying that a movie with a fantasy premise doesn't have to ground itself in reality. Movies books and the like all have things that make them work and or things that they rely on but shouldn't (usually) maguffins and deus ex machina for instance. The same can be said for porn games. What MotH does is simulate gameplay and story investment through a repetitive task that ends in a reward. The grind is weak story telling in action. It is a lack of ability to create a reason for these characters to want to fuck naturally so we are going to wear them down with menial tasks. It has to be called out for what it is, TOXIC.
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                        I'm not saying these things to hurt your feelings, hell I don't even want Faerin to be hurt by what I've said. I'm saying it to broaden your mind and show you that there's a right and a wrong way to do things. I guarantee you can come up with a function in a game that you hate. Here, I will help, I'm a huge bethesda nerd. I love me an open sandbox. Skyrim is a fun game, but it sucks in so many ways, Its dumbed down RPG elements ruin some of the magic of earlier games, and the way it literally nerfs magic itself in the game makes it absolutely necessary to learn some combat skills other than magic in the early game without mods. Fallout 4 is even worse, its a series of radiating quests that have no substance. The world design is incredible, but without a quality story to keep you exploring it, like was present in both flalout 3 and even better in Obsidian's New Vegas, you are left getting angry at preston for asking you to work for another settlement or putting up another beacon for tinker tom at the same place you just put a beacon for tinker tom.
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                     Your complaint with BB is about content. I find the aunt and older sister very attractive. Mom isn't bad, and while I'm not the biggest fan of little sister, she isn't unattractive. I think it's a horrible game because in spite of its potential, it chose grind over story. I don't think of it as being cucked, as being a cuck is about how you react. If you like watching the women you're involved with get fucked by someone else, you're a cuck. If you run into an enemy who's trying to steal the woman you're with from you and you fight against him, you're not. It's pretty simple. It created an antagonist in the game that wasn't the girls. He failed in 2 ways though. He continued to make the girls antagonists, by implementing heavy grind and silly requirements (like the yoga requirement). Then when it came to Eric he rushed it. He's there and powerful too fast, it made him completely implausible.
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                        Your complaint with BB is about content. I find the aunt and older sister very attractive. Mom isn't bad, and while I'm not the biggest fan of little sister, she isn't unattractive. I think it's a horrible game because in spite of its potential, it chose grind over story. I don't think of it as being cucked, as being a cuck is about how you react. If you like watching the women you're involved with get fucked by someone else, you're a cuck. If you run into an enemy who's trying to steal the woman you're with from you and you fight against him, you're not. It's pretty simple. It created an antagonist in the game that wasn't the girls. He failed in 2 ways though. He continued to make the girls antagonists, by implementing heavy grind and silly requirements (like the yoga requirement). Then when it came to Eric he rushed it. He's there and powerful too fast, it made him completely implausible.
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                        Man of the House has no story. There's nothing but grind and fuck with superficial tasks. You help one sister with her homework and she gets curious about sex and leads you on for 3 or more weeks not advancing in a natural way at all because the game is about passing arbitrary point thresholds and not about the natural evolution of a sexual relationship.
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                        You blackmail your older sister with the weakest shit ever, then you cave to her even weaker counter blackmail, I'd love to see her prove you bought her a maid outfit and forced her to wear it. Then you blackmail her again, only this time with her boss, but she suddenly likes it and now she's your little submissive slut. Of course, none of this happens as easily as I've written it, you have to grind to get any of these events to trigger.
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                        Finally you have the mom who literally falls in love with your dick. Women like the way a dick feels, I've never met a woman who genuinely liked the way a dick looks. Oh they might say you have the best cock they've ever seen, but they are doing that because dirty talk is sexy and not because they actually find your cock sexy. Not to mention the fact that you've got nothing to offer your mother in a relationship other than your cock. The little sister needs knowledge, the older sister needs a master, but your mom doesn't, she could go to a bar any night of the week and get cock. She doesn't need yours. Her arch is completely batshit. And you're gonna love this, IT'S ALSO FULL OF FUCKING GRIND.
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                        Seriously, big brother has accepted events, for character motivations, you have to deal with your little sister's reluctance, not to have sex with you, she's ok with that pretty quick, it's about having sex in general, because she's a young virgin with no experience or until recently access to porn. There are stakes, make the wrong move and you're off to military school. Again, BB has grind, but it at least tries to write a story with stakes. MotH is just about you, the sexual deviant, who miraculously convinced both his sisters and his mom to fuck him. There are no consequences. You get caught all the time and go back to business as usual. It's boring, repetitive, and the rewards aren't even worth the effort.
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                     whens the last time you played Man of the House because if you played before cheats then i can understand you now the problem with BB is everything i said the for the renders he uses and the money he makes there should be animations music and alot better looking girls but i guess deep down you are everything thats inside that song i posted because you obviously think the story of getting cucked by your moms boyfriends is such a better story not to mention it has one of the most frustrating sand box game style and quite frankly i glad BB is finally dead
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                        Your complaint with BB is about content. I find the aunt and older sister very attractive. Mom isn't bad, and while I'm not the biggest fan of little sister, she isn't unattractive. I think it's a horrible game because in spite of its potential, it chose grind over story. I don't think of it as being cucked, as being a cuck is about how you react. If you like watching the women you're involved with get fucked by someone else, you're a cuck. If you run into an enemy who's trying to steal the woman you're with from you and you fight against him, you're not. It's pretty simple. It created an antagonist in the game that wasn't the girls. He failed in 2 ways though. He continued to make the girls antagonists, by implementing heavy grind and silly requirements (like the yoga requirement). Then when it came to Eric he rushed it. He's there and powerful too fast, it made him completely implausible.
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                        Man of the House has no story. There's nothing but grind and fuck with superficial tasks. You help one sister with her homework and she gets curious about sex and leads you on for 3 or more weeks not advancing in a natural way at all because the game is about passing arbitrary point thresholds and not about the natural evolution of a sexual relationship.
                        <br/>
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                        You blackmail your older sister with the weakest shit ever, then you cave to her even weaker counter blackmail, I'd love to see her prove you bought her a maid outfit and forced her to wear it. Then you blackmail her again, only this time with her boss, but she suddenly likes it and now she's your little submissive slut. Of course, none of this happens as easily as I've written it, you have to grind to get any of these events to trigger.
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                        Finally you have the mom who literally falls in love with your dick. Women like the way a dick feels, I've never met a woman who genuinely liked the way a dick looks. Oh they might say you have the best cock they've ever seen, but they are doing that because dirty talk is sexy and not because they actually find your cock sexy. Not to mention the fact that you've got nothing to offer your mother in a relationship other than your cock. The little sister needs knowledge, the older sister needs a master, but your mom doesn't, she could go to a bar any night of the week and get cock. She doesn't need yours. Her arch is completely batshit. And you're gonna love this, IT'S ALSO FULL OF FUCKING GRIND.
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                        Seriously, big brother has accepted events, for character motivations, you have to deal with your little sister's reluctance, not to have sex with you, she's ok with that pretty quick, it's about having sex in general, because she's a young virgin with no experience or until recently access to porn. There are stakes, make the wrong move and you're off to military school. Again, BB has grind, but it at least tries to write a story with stakes. MotH is just about you, the sexual deviant, who miraculously convinced both his sisters and his mom to fuck him. There are no consequences. You get caught all the time and go back to business as usual. It's boring, repetitive, and the rewards aren't even worth the effort.
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                     "Your complaint with BB is about content" yeah obviously you dont play a porn game for the story you play it to fap do people not understand that? having a good story is the last thing you should actually care about in terms of a porn game but i guess a cucking story is fappable to some people
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                        "Your complaint with BB is about content" yeah obviously you dont play a porn game for the story you play it to fap do people not understand that? having a good story is the last thing you should actually care about in terms of a porn game but i guess a cucking story is fappable to some people
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                     Eric blackmailed my aunt into sex, but aside from that, he never once fucked a woman I was involved with. As a result of his action I had him kidnapped and turned in to a gimp sex slave in some dungeon. I was never once cucked. Instead I had an adversary to fight. You must have a very low opinion of yourself to actually think that Eric was cucking you. He got to your mom before you did, if anything, advancing your relationship with her makes him the cuck.
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                     A good story creates emotional investment, you as the player don't just want to fuck the girls because they're hot, but because you actually like these girls and want to fuck them. The result is a better more intense experience when the fucking comes because you are emotionally invested in the outcome. Don't believe me? Go out and have sex with a random tramp and then go out, get romantically involved with a woman and make love to her. I guarantee you'll be begging for more after the romantic involvement than you were with the one night stand.
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                        I offered my take on his game which he decided to make for money. I wholly expect someone to look critically at my game when i release it. Having an idea and sharing that idea doesn't make you immune to criticism if your idea is complete crap.
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                        I barely deviated from his plot with the older sister, I dropped the grind, made her punishments more severe, and salvaged his broken as fuck blackmail scenario that wouldn't have worked on the daugher in DMD, let alone his older sister. Maybe it was too hardcore for you, that's fine. Its not necessary.
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                        As for mom, I stuck pretty close to hers as well, only I added depth and story instead of grind. It makes much more sense for the woman who birthed 3 children to not be your little manipulated 1 dimensional cum bucket. I say again, women don't get hypnotized by every big dick they see. The entire premise of your seduction of your mom would be over the moment she saw you naked. Why? because she doesn't see you as a man. You have to fix that. Do you have to do it the way I did? No, but I was trying to stay true to his mechanics. The one thing you could drop is the sister requirement, I just know it would be better for your sisters to praise you around mom, that's all.
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                        Eric blackmailed my aunt into sex, but aside from that, he never once fucked a woman I was involved with. As a result of his action I had him kidnapped and turned in to a gimp sex slave in some dungeon. I was never once cucked. Instead I had an adversary to fight. You must have a very low opinion of yourself to actually think that Eric was cucking you. He got to your mom before you did, if anything, advancing your relationship with her makes him the cuck.
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                        A good story creates emotional investment, you as the player don't just want to fuck the girls because they're hot, but because you actually like these girls and want to fuck them. The result is a better more intense experience when the fucking comes because you are emotionally invested in the outcome. Don't believe me? Go out and have sex with a random tramp and then go out, get romantically involved with a woman and make love to her. I guarantee you'll be begging for more after the romantic involvement than you were with the one night stand.
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                        That is the purpose in playing a game. If I just need to get off I go browse reddit, find something in one of the many subs I have dedicated to all sorts of fetishes, and fap real quick. I play games for an emotional payoff.
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                     congratz on demonstrating why every normal person hates BB the fact you are fan boying over something like this hilarious really tells everyone what you really want in real life relationship is still funny that fan boys like you defend that BB has a true story it really doesnt
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                        If you want to compare BB and MoTH I'll gladly give you my two cents. First, BB is a drama. MoTH is not. BB tried to have a story but failed. Eric was a wasted character that was essential killed off because almost no one wanted him. That tells me the dev has no spine. If he really wanted a story I would have had Eric from day one instead of the surprise that he was. Having him at launch and then developing him into the antagonist that he was always meant to be would have made BB so much better. But DS caved and BB became a sandbox that you grind for scenes. MoTH is nothing more than your typical old school Spanish romance show. If you ever watched the old stuff you know exactly what I'm talking about. If you want an American equivalent think General Hospital but over the top. It's not something that's supposed to be serious and the plot doesn't really matter. If Faerin wanted to flesh out a main story he certainly can at ths point. And one more thing dev wise Faerin blows DS out of the water in every category except render quality and that's to be expected seeing as DS has more experience. Faerin was prepared for the crackdown. He made steps to ensure his game could continue. He built up a loyal following that he communicates to daily and interacts with to make his game better. I honestly don't know many like him when it comes to this.  One last thing about sandbox games. For me the main quest isn't what draws me into them. Games like Elder scrolls and fallout are great for me because of the lore. It's one of the few times I actually read in a video game. In sure for some in an adult sandbox the main story isn't what interests them the most. If you seek a story play a VN.
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                     exactly couldnt have said better myself
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                        Eric blackmailed my aunt into sex, but aside from that, he never once fucked a woman I was involved with. As a result of his action I had him kidnapped and turned in to a gimp sex slave in some dungeon. I was never once cucked. Instead I had an adversary to fight. You must have a very low opinion of yourself to actually think that Eric was cucking you. He got to your mom before you did, if anything, advancing your relationship with her makes him the cuck.
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                     "If the game needs cheats to get past its stupid design then the game is flawed. Are you really so blind that you can't see that?" so do i need to tell you that just debunked yourself when you say you hate grinding
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                        If you want to compare BB and MoTH I'll gladly give you my two cents. First, BB is a drama. MoTH is not. BB tried to have a story but failed. Eric was a wasted character that was essential killed off because almost no one wanted him. That tells me the dev has no spine. If he really wanted a story I would have had Eric from day one instead of the surprise that he was. Having him at launch and then developing him into the antagonist that he was always meant to be would have made BB so much better. But DS caved and BB became a sandbox that you grind for scenes. MoTH is nothing more than your typical old school Spanish romance show. If you ever watched the old stuff you know exactly what I'm talking about. If you want an American equivalent think General Hospital but over the top. It's not something that's supposed to be serious and the plot doesn't really matter. If Faerin wanted to flesh out a main story he certainly can at ths point. And one more thing dev wise Faerin blows DS out of the water in every category except render quality and that's to be expected seeing as DS has more experience. Faerin was prepared for the crackdown. He made steps to ensure his game could continue. He built up a loyal following that he communicates to daily and interacts with to make his game better. I honestly don't know many like him when it comes to this.  One last thing about sandbox games. For me the main quest isn't what draws me into them. Games like Elder scrolls and fallout are great for me because of the lore. It's one of the few times I actually read in a video game. In sure for some in an adult sandbox the main story isn't what interests them the most. If you seek a story play a VN.
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                     I absolutely agree with everything you said about Dark Silver and BB. I don't know that I agree about Faerin, but I've never really spoken to him. I have nothing against either of them, I'm simply critiquing their content. I don't agree that a sandbox can't have a story. You yourself say that what makes them great is Lore. I'll explain. The best Sandbox RPG I've ever played is the Witcher 3, though 2 was also pretty great. The Witcher series has a heavy background lore but also a great througline story. It has characters you're invested in and outcomes that matter. It has stakes and it has tension.
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                     If you play for the emotional payoff that's fine, it's your taste but it's not everyones and there are many porn and non porn games you can find that will give you that. If you don't like a game that's ok just move on and find one you like.
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                        I absolutely agree with everything you said about Dark Silver and BB. I don't know that I agree about Faerin, but I've never really spoken to him. I have nothing against either of them, I'm simply critiquing their content. I don't agree that a sandbox can't have a story. You yourself say that what makes them great is Lore. I'll explain. The best Sandbox RPG I've ever played is the Witcher 3, though 2 was also pretty great. The Witcher series has a heavy background lore but also a great througline story. It has characters you're invested in and outcomes that matter. It has stakes and it has tension.
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                     Except I am saying that grind is the result of a developer not being able to come up with a valid reason why your two characters would want to fuck one another. Moving away from this game Lets look at a game that I think did exactly what Faerin is trying to, but better. The game is View of Family. First off, I very much prefer his renders, secondly, I find what grind he has to be manageable.
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                     In it, you have the exact same premise with little sister, only its well written. To start, you are a tutor by trade, that's literally what you do for a living. Second, you learn from your little sister that she's having trouble in school. You learn that she thinks the teacher doesn't like her, so she doesn't think studying will even help. So you go to the school. You meet the teacher and coincidence of all coincidences she's the teacher who you were fucking in high school.So you fuck her and blackmail her into giving your sister an A. However, you're seen by your little sister, she watches you, she even masturbates. So you confront her about this, naturally, and the idea of you teaching her about sex comes up. You agree, but on one condition, if she wants you to teach her about sex, she needs to agree to earn it by studying.
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                     You tutor her for 3 days and by the end you decide to reward her with her first lesson. This goes on like this, a few days of tutoring and a new lesson. Yes, you're grinding by having to tutor your sister, but as I said before when I offered a fix to faerins' game, its not unheard of or unrealistic for a big brother to take time out of his day to help his little sibling study, and that is especially true if said brother is a tutor by trade. That said, this isn't your only interaction with her. You can also meet her on the beach every day at 17:00 where there are scenes that both advance the story and provide character development, while also giving you a repeated sexual encounter. You can find her in the living room every day between 18:00 and 20:00 where you, if you've gotten your relationship high enough can get a sneaky handjob twice a day, one of those while mom is in the room on the other couch.
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                     That doesn't even begin to touch the mom story line, which blows what Faerin does out of the water, in spite of, again using similar themes. In this line the psychiatrist mother of one of your students actually helps you in your quest to get your mother comfortable with her feeling for you, feelings which have everything to do with who you are, and not the fact that she saw you have a big dick. She doesn't fall for you because she needs sex, she falls for you because she's vulnerable after the divorce and you are there to support her, to become the Man of the House that she needs. I won't spoil it, by giving as much detail as I did the little sister line, because if you haven't you should play it. This game is far behind MotH in terms of development, but I think it shows exactly what this format is capable of when done correctly.
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                        Except I am saying that grind is the result of a developer not being able to come up with a valid reason why your two characters would want to fuck one another. Moving away from this game Lets look at a game that I think did exactly what Faerin is trying to, but better. The game is View of Family. First off, I very much prefer his renders, secondly, I find what grind he has to be manageable.
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                        You tutor her for 3 days and by the end you decide to reward her with her first lesson. This goes on like this, a few days of tutoring and a new lesson. Yes, you're grinding by having to tutor your sister, but as I said before when I offered a fix to faerins' game, its not unheard of or unrealistic for a big brother to take time out of his day to help his little sibling study, and that is especially true if said brother is a tutor by trade. That said, this isn't your only interaction with her. You can also meet her on the beach every day at 17:00 where there are scenes that both advance the story and provide character development, while also giving you a repeated sexual encounter. You can find her in the living room every day between 18:00 and 20:00 where you, if you've gotten your relationship high enough can get a sneaky handjob twice a day, one of those while mom is in the room on the other couch.
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                     wait hold up you made a view of a family? man i love the lesbian scenes in that game also the shrink events
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                        No dude, you not weird no worries.  I don't get feet people.  I've had lengthy conversations with feet people.  "Da fuk are you talking about bro?  You like her feet rough???"  Everyone has their own fetish.  Some like to see a hot brother and sister get it on.  Or a Milf and a son.  Omg you should watch Italian incest movies.  The coming of age ones are hot.  Makes me think of my younger days dreaming of my hot neighbors.  Only in those movies its the kids mom but i just pretend otherwise to make it relate to me.  But feet just baffle my mind.
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                     Unless you're from the Middle East, most people don't want to get frisky with their cousins. Seriously look it up those folks are inbreeding like crazy. I mean it's just a taboo and taboos are kinky. Vanilla games hardly get that much love. Take depraved awakenings. Excellent game, great renders, makes nowhere near as much as DoD or Summertime Saga both of which would be vanilla if you cut a few things out.
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                        No dude, you not weird no worries.  I don't get feet people.  I've had lengthy conversations with feet people.  "Da fuk are you talking about bro?  You like her feet rough???"  Everyone has their own fetish.  Some like to see a hot brother and sister get it on.  Or a Milf and a son.  Omg you should watch Italian incest movies.  The coming of age ones are hot.  Makes me think of my younger days dreaming of my hot neighbors.  Only in those movies its the kids mom but i just pretend otherwise to make it relate to me.  But feet just baffle my mind.
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                     The variety of feet fetishes is crazy to me. Like I care fuck-all about feet, zero appeal to me. However, I want to create a game that more people can enjoy, so I ask: what do you like about feet, what about them turns you on? It's like dirty feet, clean feet, soft feet, rough feet, long toes, fat toes, long-fat toes, high arches, painted toe-nails, long toe-nails, touching feet, licking feet, nylons, and on and on and on... I learned, you can't please everyone.
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                     lol Not knocking feet people, hey man Dave Chappelle is a foot guy, but yeah, there's a huge variety when it comes to feet.  Some guys only want to see them in high heels.  some only want oil.  But I will say this.. one time my GF started rubbing my cock with her foot and oh shit did it turn me on.  But I didn't want to fuck her foot, it just turned me on and made me want her booty.  Anyways.
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                        Unless you're from the Middle East, most people don't want to get frisky with their cousins. Seriously look it up those folks are inbreeding like crazy. I mean it's just a taboo and taboos are kinky. Vanilla games hardly get that much love. Take depraved awakenings. Excellent game, great renders, makes nowhere near as much as DoD or Summertime Saga both of which would be vanilla if you cut a few things out.
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                     First time I saw my cousin I was like "Fuck she's hot!"  But instead of getting a hard on I felt kinda bad ass that I have a hot cousin.  It's like, if she's hot, omg what do her friends look like!  And yep!  they were hot too!
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                        lol Not knocking feet people, hey man Dave Chappelle is a foot guy, but yeah, there's a huge variety when it comes to feet.  Some guys only want to see them in high heels.  some only want oil.  But I will say this.. one time my GF started rubbing my cock with her foot and oh shit did it turn me on.  But I didn't want to fuck her foot, it just turned me on and made me want her booty.  Anyways.
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                     I have a cousin that I definitely wanted to hook-up with and, as I later found out from my uncle, she was into me. However, we didn't know we were cousins at first. We met at our other cousin's wedding when we were both around 16, both of us living hundreds of miles away, it was the first event that brought her family all the way out. When we found out we were related, it was definitely pretty upsetting... she's still gorgeous though.
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