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                        Thanks for your responses. So far I've picked up a lot from renderosity, sharecg, deviant art, renderotica and Wilmap as well as purchased a few more. Now I have to stop myself from buying more, at least until I launch the demo. Now to get to work. Here's a teaser test render. I have a lot to learn about lighting and posing I guess
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                     That there is really not that bad. You have a floating hand, and the lighting is a bit more photostudio than real life, but apart from that, it looks quite good.
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                        Thanks for your responses. So far I've picked up a lot from renderosity, sharecg, deviant art, renderotica and Wilmap as well as purchased a few more. Now I have to stop myself from buying more, at least until I launch the demo. Now to get to work. Here's a teaser test render. I have a lot to learn about lighting and posing I guess
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                     Nice start, she looks really cute.
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                     Thanks guys, it's encourageing. The character's working name is Sonia and she's the planned main love interest (probably niece to add some taboo, but I'm not set on that yet). I'm aiming for Big Brother visually (high bar, I know), probably first person and for something between Babysitter and Teacher's Pets, perhaps with a dash of Luxee's style gameplay wise.
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                     Lighting: it's just a single warm spotlight, but I've found a free HDR set that I'll be trying soon. I'm using some non-Iray materials, because I thought they looked a bit better (eyes), I'm not sure if it affects the render negatively.
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                     Lighting is a huge pain in Daz. Point lights seem weak as hell compared to everything else. Save yourself a lot of frustration and look into Ghost lights. You don't have to buy anything as its really just a case of setting up emissive primitives and it can make lighting a scene so much quicker and make your renders faster by providing more light for the darker areas.
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                     Sorry for the double post, but I want to show what difference your tips made:
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                     And finally applied ghost lights. Took me a while to understand how to make them work and not show up in the render, but the results are... look for yourselves. Thank you.
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                     There are 3 ghost lights: right, top-front and face.
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                     Thanks for the feedback. Hmm, you're right. My morphs were done in the default pose, after that I only used posing. The pose is making it clip. I looked into it and apparently I can't bend the leg by more than 90 degrees, then it starts to happen. Is there some sort of an automatic tool for fitting this, or do I have to do it by hand every time she kneels? I'd rather avoid having to morph the leg every time, but I'll do it if I have to.
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                        Sorry for the double post, but I want to show what difference your tips made:
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                        -I've adjusted the wrist and toes
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                        -got rid of the floating hand
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                        -changed nail polish to a less bland one
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                        And finally applied ghost lights. Took me a while to understand how to make them work and not show up in the render, but the results are... look for yourselves. Thank you.
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                        There are 3 ghost lights: right, top-front and face.
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                        The render took 30 minutes on my GTX970. The previous one was 5 minutes. Still, worth it. Do you know how to see how much memory a scene takes in Iray?
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                     Recently got the ghost lights myself. Can I ask you how you do stop them from showing up in the render?
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                     I haven't had time to work it out yet.
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                     Thanks very much : )
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                        decrease cutout opacity value to 0.00001 or something like that. It's 1 by default. Its under surfaces-&gt;editor once you make the object emissive
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                        I don't agree, for me BB is the best visually. I like the character design and soft, bright sets. Still, perhaps I'm wrong - point me to an example something better-looking and I will reconsider
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                     You misunderstand my friend. I never said BB was bad or that there were much better games out there, I simply said that the bar is set low by BB since the renders are all very flat, by design to speed up render times. If you are aiming for the same just fill your scenes with ghost lights until there are barely any shadows and  you will be golden. I would personally try to aspire to be better though
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                        For BB style you will also have to be very good at Photoshop filters. As Darksilver uses a ton of post-processing in Photoshop. His style is ok but makes everything look like it's covered in baby oil.
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                        You misunderstand my friend. I never said BB was bad or that there were much better games out there, I simply said that the bar is set low by BB since the renders are all very flat, by design to speed up render times. If you are aiming for the same just fill your scenes with ghost lights until there are barely any shadows and  you will be golden. I would personally try to aspire to be better though
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                     I haven't played Timestamps, but from the preview images in the thread it looks good, but overdone. For me the shadows there are too strong, too dark, they don't look like that in real life unless you have special dedicated lighting, so I have to keep disagreeing on that point
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                     as for BB, I don't know what to say really, the renders are very pleasant too look at, for me at least. Also I don't think DarkSilver needs to cut down on the renders, with the popularity his game has, he's probably sporting multiple TI cards or maybe even multiple rigs.
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                     Indeed. I'm still learning posing properly
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                        For BB style you will also have to be very good at Photoshop filters. As Darksilver uses a ton of post-processing in Photoshop. His style is ok but makes everything look like it's covered in baby oil.
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                     I have not played Dana so I can't really say much on that. The renders I posted are complete ones. The graphics card I have can't really fit the scenes I make very well (maybe I'm doing something wrong) and that delegates renders to my processor, which is unfortunate. Still, I can't really justify (financially) upgrading to a 8 or 11 gig card right now. The GTX970 is a good card with 3,5gigs and a lot of CUDA, but they don't matter if it can't fit the scene, right? As for photoshop, I don't use it, so no filters
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                     Perhaps I should, but it's expensive and I don't use pirated software (yes I know, strange in a place like this, but that's what I believe and the Patreon games here are not technically pirated, because they are not commercial products. I also buy all the DAZ assets or use stuff that's free for commercial renders)
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                        Im inclined to disagree. i render 4k images with a GTX 960 quite happily, it just requires some optimization. I also strongly disagree that  Ptolemy renders are better. If dreaming of Dana is anything to go by DarkSilver is leagues ahead
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                        Im inclined to disagree. I render 4k images with a GTX 960 quite happily, it just requires some optimization. I also strongly disagree that  Ptolemy renders are better. If dreaming of Dana is anything to go by DarkSilver is leagues ahead
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