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                        Hello, i've played game The Artifact Part One and noticed one cool feature – many scenes are animated...How i can do the same?
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                     Consider this an animation newbie helping another.  The first decision you need to make depends on what your game engine supports.  This will either drive you to recording a video sequence for playback, a series of idle animations inside your game engine, or a looping series of static images.
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                     I use RenPy as my game engine and Daz 3D for my rendering so what follows is specific to that.  In RenPy you have two choices: a webm video or an image loop.  Either way every frame must be pre-rendered.  So if a single frame takes you 30 minutes to render and you aim for 30 frames a second for your animation then a simple 10 second animation consists of 300 frames requiring rendering. 300 X 30 = 9000 minutes = 150 hours = 6.25 days...
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                        Consider this an animation newbie helping another.  The first decision you need to make depends on what your game engine supports.  This will either drive you to recording a video sequence for playback, a series of idle animations inside your game engine, or a looping series of static images.
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                        I use RenPy as my game engine and Daz 3D for my rendering so what follows is specific to that.  In RenPy you have two choices: a webm video or an image loop.  Either way every frame must be pre-rendered.  So if a single frame takes you 30 minutes to render and you aim for 30 frames a second for your animation then a simple 10 second animation consists of 300 frames requiring rendering. 300 X 30 = 9000 minutes = 150 hours = 6.25 days...
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                        This is why some game animations are so jerky; they are using a lot less frames to reduce the rendering time.
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                        After you deal with this issue, the technical challenge of doing the renders are simple with many tutorials available on Youtube.
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                        Consider this an animation newbie helping another.  The first decision you need to make depends on what your game engine supports.  This will either drive you to recording a video sequence for playback, a series of idle animations inside your game engine, or a looping series of static images.
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                        Two of the three are really time consuming to accomplish as all the animation is pre-rendered. If you're using Unity or Unreal as your game engine then you can do real time animation using idle animation sequences; however, you're trading seamless real time animation for the programming complexity of the game engine.
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                        I use RenPy as my game engine and Daz 3D for my rendering so what follows is specific to that.  In RenPy you have two choices: a webm video or an image loop.  Either way every frame must be pre-rendered.  So if a single frame takes you 30 minutes to render and you aim for 30 frames a second for your animation then a simple 10 second animation consists of 300 frames requiring rendering. 300 X 30 = 9000 minutes = 150 hours = 6.25 days...
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                     Thanks for putting things in perspective.
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                     Just a small correct in the calculation. 300*30=9000
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                     Which is 150 minutes. Over 2 hours to render a 10 second animation. Your point still remains!
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                        Just a small correct in the calculation. 300*30=9000
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                     Unfortunately, no. I meant minutes.  For the game I'm making, it's taken anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 1/2 hrs to render a single frame.  30 minutes was just a reference number. I wish I could afford the hardware to render a frame every 30 seconds.
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                     &lt;frames per second&gt; X &lt;animation length&gt; = Number of frame requiring rendering
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                        Can anyone tell me how DMD / Big Brother get their indoor scenes without any or hardly any noise/grain and such a high quality?
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                        I did a scene attached which took 4hrs to render and looks shit. Done in DAZ3d 4.10
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                     From what I've been told, BB uses Ghost Lights quite a bit.  Certainly, Celtic1138, who's made a lot of VERY similar-looking renders, uses them extensively.
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                     "More light" is your friend with iRay.  In your scene, for example, you could consider removing a wall or ceiling that isn't in view to let in surrounding dome lighting.  Or use an IRay Section Node (configured not to block lighting) to slice off an unseen portion if the room doesn't support making walls disappear.  Or just position several spotlights off-scene or "above" to add light.
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                     Among other things, your scene looks somewhat "flat" because there aren't any significant shadows.  So probably the first thing I'd try is positioning some spotlights "above".  Make them moderately large (maybe 100cm x 100cm) to simulate overhead lighting panels, and have them set to a 90 or 120 degree angle, so they'll cover well.  They'll need to be pretty bright, of course.  I used a grid of ceiling spotlights like this doing renders inside the Daz "Boutique" set, and they worked quite well - better than the mesh lights that were built into the scene.  (Note - Daz "understands" spotlights, and can optimize some of its processing for them.  Mesh lights, on the other hand, it kind of has to "discover," so they typically take longer to render.)
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                     Bottom line - interior lighting is tough in iRay, because it has so much indirect lighting. (Bounces off walls, ceilings, etc.)
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                     Geez thx for info... If you use too many lights do you not get a washed out image?
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                     Currently in my scene i use Dome and Sky and insid i have ILPK light source setup.
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                        From what I've been told, BB uses Ghost Lights quite a bit.  Certainly, Celtic1138, who's made a lot of VERY similar-looking renders, uses them extensively.
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                        "More light" is your friend with iRay.  In your scene, for example, you could consider removing a wall or ceiling that isn't in view to let in surrounding dome lighting.  Or use an IRay Section Node (configured not to block lighting) to slice off an unseen portion if the room doesn't support making walls disappear.  Or just position several spotlights off-scene or "above" to add light.
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                        Among other things, your scene looks somewhat "flat" because there aren't any significant shadows.  So probably the first thing I'd try is positioning some spotlights "above".  Make them moderately large (maybe 100cm x 100cm) to simulate overhead lighting panels, and have them set to a 90 or 120 degree angle, so they'll cover well.  They'll need to be pretty bright, of course.  I used a grid of ceiling spotlights like this doing renders inside the Daz "Boutique" set, and they worked quite well - better than the mesh lights that were built into the scene.  (Note - Daz "understands" spotlights, and can optimize some of its processing for them.  Mesh lights, on the other hand, it kind of has to "discover," so they typically take longer to render.)
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                        Bottom line - interior lighting is tough in iRay, because it has so much indirect lighting. (Bounces off walls, ceilings, etc.)
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                        Geez thx for info... If you use too many lights do you not get a washed out image?
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                        Unfortunately, no. I meant minutes.  For the game I'm making, it's taken anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 1/2 hrs to render a single frame.  30 minutes was just a reference number. I wish I could afford the hardware to render a frame every 30 seconds.
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                     Yes i added the spot lights about 6 of them and made the lums 10000 each which i think is too much as the render is very white, kinda washed out. BUT it's still very blurry or not clear and crisp. It's as if there is a opaque shoot over the lens which i am not using DOF at all and leave the camera settings as default.
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                        By washout, do you mean the lack of contrast and color such as the image above, or too much light intensity causing everything to turn white? Either way, more lights will help with contrast and color. Also, look into things like three point lighting and other photography tricks to help make your images more dramatic. If your lights are too intense, you can always adjust that in your lighting tab or adjust your render settings. Also, a couple well aimed and properly adjusted (also color adjusted if need be) lights is generally all you need. You don't need to have 50 spotlights in your scene.
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                        Yes i added the spot lights about 6 of them and made the lums 10000 each which i think is too much as the render is very white, kinda washed out. BUT it's still very blurry or not clear and crisp. It's as if there is a opaque shoot over the lens which i am not using DOF at all and leave the camera settings as default.
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                     So, generally, I would say rendering a higher resolution and reducing it is faster than doubling your max samples and is pretty effective at creating a pretty decent render. However, 600 samples really isn't a whole lot especially when creating complex scenes with a lot of different lights.
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                     IT's for a VN game so yeah it has to look good.
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                     Ive seen some developers use backgrounds that are not very good quality but their models are high quality. Seems they did them seperately and photo shopped in the scene, seems to work pretty well as the readers eyes are fixed on the character model and not the background that much.
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                     Below is a scene i did but i have a way better render than the one here. This was my first try and as you can see not light enough. Too dark.
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                     I like the shadows in below image but if i could only get rid of the grain then i think it would be perfect quality for what i am after.
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                     So i have done this before so cannot understand why i am getting this fuzzy washed out image i am getting now with my latest scene.
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                        So, generally, I would say rendering a higher resolution and reducing it is faster than doubling your max samples and is pretty effective at creating a pretty decent render. However, 600 samples really isn't a whole lot especially when creating complex scenes with a lot of different lights.
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                        My recommendation kind of depends. If you're just wanting to create some decent looking renders for personal use like improving your Daz skills or whatever then probably just increase your render resolution and reduce them back to 720p or whatever after. If it's something you want to do professionally/semi-professionally (creating games/comics), then increase resolution and samples or consider outsourcing your rendering, at least until you can upgrade your hardware.
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                     Would you suggest something like 4500resolution and 1200Max Samples or even higher?
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                        Would you suggest something like 4500resolution and 1200Max Samples or even higher?
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                     That's pretty decent hardware (of course a 1080 is always nice). I thought you were cutting back on samples to reduce render time. I'd say set your max samples to around 10,000 and resolution to 2 or 4k (test it to find which one works better for your system) and set your max render time to 45 minutes, or however long you're willing to wait. Then reduce the image back to 1080 or 720 and that should eliminate a lot of the grain (unfortunately it also removes a lot of fine details too).
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                     Your second image has a very intense environmental light (I'm guessing the sun). Which creates that nice contrast and shadows. A little bit of fill lighting will also help decrease the gain, but it also takes away from your shadows a little bit.
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                     It still has a lot of corrections to be made, my fill light is casting a shadow to the right, I also don't like the shadow that's being casted on her chest by her arm and the double shadow of the lamp in the background. However, I think it shows the importance of lighting. This was rendered in 1080 because I use 1080 for my tests and I'll usually do the final render in 4k, so it still has a little bit of grain (the DoF doesn't help either). This scene has 4 lights in it. As far as settings go I try to keep things relatively simple because it's faster for me to touch my scene up in photoshop than screw around with lighting forever. However, my key is a white light at 115k lumens, my fill is a light blue at 70k lumens, my backlight is a white light at 90k lumens, and I have another white scene light on the wall to reduce shadows.
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                     Geez dude that image looks great... Are you serious about the Max samples? 10000?? surely that will take a whole day? OH wait you said this "set your max render time to 45 minutes" erm.. you mean i can force my render to a specific time? I did not know that.
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                     Yes, for the image with dude on couch i wanted the outside light source, the sun to cast a morning shadow feel. Just the graininess i still would like to be removed in that image, otherwise it's nice.
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                     What i have tried last night was render the scene in 3Dlight which looks pretty cool and then in the correct poses render only my character models with Nvidia Iray higher quality. I'll put them together in Photoshop and have a look to see what it looks like.
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                     I will definitely try what you have suggested regarding the lighting.
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                     I know my system can create good renders as seen in below model ( Ann ) original render is 4k . Doing a indoor room type scene obviously kills it a bit and i need to work at it.  NOW once i have the scene i want rendered waxed and happy will this type of techniques apply for all future scenes or do they differ?
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                        Thx Jimbles
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                        Geez dude that image looks great... Are you serious about the Max samples? 10000?? surely that will take a whole day? OH wait you said this "set your max render time to 45 minutes" erm.. you mean i can force my render to a specific time? I did not know that.
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                     You're welcome, anything I can do to help. Thanks, always nice to hear.
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                     If you look under your render settings you should see a slider for max time (in seconds). It's set for 2 hours by default but you can adjust it for however long you want (up to something crazy like 5 months).
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                        Yes, for the image with dude on couch i wanted the outside light source, the sun to cast a morning shadow feel. Just the graininess i still would like to be removed in that image, otherwise it's nice.
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                     That's a good looking render. The lighting provides a nice contrast. The only criticism I'll offer on it is his right hand (and maybe his butt) is hovering, that's alright though mine has the same problem if you look at the thumb on the right hand you can see its not on on her skirt. Just a simple detail that often gets overlooked because we get so focused on other aspects, especially when people are getting started in posing and rendering.
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                        What i have tried last night was render the scene in 3Dlight which looks pretty cool and then in the correct poses render only my character models with Nvidia Iray higher quality. I'll put them together in Photoshop and have a look to see what it looks like.
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                     Sounds like that might work out, you'll have to share your results if they come out well.
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                        I will definitely try what you have suggested regarding the lighting.
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                        I know my system can create good renders as seen in below model ( Ann ) original render is 4k . Doing a indoor room type scene obviously kills it a bit and i need to work at it.  NOW once i have the scene i want rendered waxed and happy will this type of techniques apply for all future scenes or do they differ?
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                     Good stuff, I hope it works out for you. You definitely have a pretty decent rig, one thing I forgot, make sure your nvidia drivers are up to date. When I was using my 960, my drivers were way out of date and when I updated them it seemed like it it cut my render times in half. Indoor scenes aren't fun, but that's because there's considerably more to render (walls and such) plus there's generally less lighting and Iray loves light. That render definitely came out really nice. Smooth, no grain, and nice coloration, good job.
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                     The lighting technique is pretty universal (which is why it's so common in photography and videography), but some tweaking is generally necessary. For example the fill doesn't have to be blue, it's just what I wanted for the scene.
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                     With a red fill (NSFW). 4k
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                     At night, but it does need some adjusting. 2k
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                     Outdoors (at least I think I used it in this scene, but I'm not positive anymore). 4k -&gt; 1080
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                     As far as rendering high resolution and reducing to reduce fireflies and grain, that works pretty much all the time. Also, after a while you'll figure out you'll become more familiar with how long it takes your machine to render each type of scene, so you can tweak your render settings from there.
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                     Fck me dude your renders are really good quality. Pity i cannot see the full resolution renders. Are you on Deviantart by chance? I am if you wanted have a look at the game characters of mine.. lookup WurnBlade
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                     Once again thx for all your help.
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                     Have you seen the images from Dreams of Desire game? Love his lighting, quality and DOF he uses.
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                     What is your VN game name if i may ask? Is it out yet or you just creating scene's for fun? The model you using is seriously pretty.
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                     I'll share my results here for sure as i believe for future devs it may help, at least your advice as i am like a fart in perfume factory, just kinda lost LOL.
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                     before i forget i did do another render of the couch scene with more lighting... i did fix his leg and hand positioning as he was floating as you have mentioned. Actually this is the quality for my interior room view i am trying to achieve with my handshake scene.
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                     But, as I said, that's REALLY picky.  Oh, and he needs a little artwork on that blank wall behind him...
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                     I am using ILPK lighting source and added an extra light source or Sun ... not sure if it's HDRI ....
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                     Funny enought that render did not take that long and came out very good, but my one i am discussing in this forum is just battling to give me high quality, little grain and washout.
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                     I agree with the wall being blank, this is something i'll fix in PHotoshop
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                        That's a very nice render.  Pretty good lighting, and I like the reflection off the coffee table.
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                        Only thing I might offer (and this is VERY picky) is that the shadows on the couch and across his body seem slightly crisper than they might in real life.  Are you using a directional light outside?  An HDRI?  Directional lights are great, but they tend to cast shadows that are just too perfect.  HDRI lighting (if you can find a good one for your scene) tend to give slightly more real-world shadows because the origin of the light isn't perfectly parallel.
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                        But, as I said, that's REALLY picky.  Oh, and he needs a little artwork on that blank wall behind him...
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                     I haven't used ILPK myself, but I know about it.  No, that's not HDRI.  HDRI's are "High Dynamic Range Images."  They can be used as your "skydome," and provide both visible sky (if you have rendering of the dome enabled, which is the default) and also illumination.  So, they have a "sun" embedded in them, but they also cast (smaller amounts of) light from different directions to simulate the way that sunlight bounces off clouds, gets refracted by the atmosphere, etc.  The default Daz "dome" is a very crude HDRI, but there are lots better ones available through Daz and elsewhere.
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                     I'm sure this render worked more quickly because the majority of the scene is directly illuminated by your light source.  Indoor scenes tend to be mostly indirectly lighted, since most of the surfaces get light that's bounced off other surfaces, etc.  Each "bounce" takes time for Daz to compute.  When a surface is directly lit, Daz will typically "converge" (i.e. decide that enough is enough for that pixel) much more quickly.  When you have large portions indirectly lit, the light contribution from any one direction is much smaller, and so Daz does a lot more work before it decides that it's "converged."  Indoor _dark_ scenes are the worst.  Frequently, the way to handle them is to light them more brightly than you want (so Daz converges more quickly) but then use the Tone Mapping settings to "turn down the exposure."  (Equivalent to using a lower ISO film that reacts less to a given amount of light.)
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                     As I said, the bit about the sharp shadows was a real nit that I was picking, but you might want to see if you can find an appropriate HDRI, set it up in the Environment section of the render settings and just see the effect, if only for educational purposes.  (Note - obviously, you want the HDRI's "sun "at the correct angle so that it shines in the window - the environment settings allow you to rotate the dome to achieve that.)
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                     I would actually expect the HDRI approach to render a bit more slowly than the ILPK approach, but that's sometimes the tradeoff you pay for "realism."
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                     For interior scenes like this one, it may not be worth the effort, but if you start doing outdoor scenes, HDRI lighting is MUCH more realistic-looking than directional lights.
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                     Hi Rich, ok so i used the "sun" and i rotated the dome so that the sun light from the dome flooded the room, hence the shadows. I had to add teh ILPK ligths also which worked. That is teh one thing i do not have going on for below scene, the sun dome light is not nearly enough or in correct angle.
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                     OK so back to my current problem. I did two tests, one 2500res with Max settings of 5000
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                     and then 4500res max settings 10000, both i set to 2200seconds and they were done in 38min.
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                     I also lowered the lumens on all of my 6 spotlights so it's not so washed out anymore. I can always lighten in Photoshop and kinda prefer it this way... i know it has more grain but was not expecting this much.
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                     At the end of the day, you go with the old engineering mantra "good enough is good enough." LOL  If you're producing standalone art, that's one thing - you want to go for perfection.  But in the context of a game, nobody (well, almost nobody) is going to spend much time picking apart your image for grain. In my experience, 38 minutes isn't horrible for a render like that.  It's interior, which causes issues, plus there are a lot of surfaces with detail in them.  The walls have ribs, the lamp (which occupies a fair amount of real estate) probably has a bump map in the shade to give it texture, etc., etc.  All that kind of stuff drives iRay nuts since all the light bounces go in different directions.  I probably run to a higher quality level than you are, but most of my interior scenes take an hour to an hour and a quarter, and I have a VERY hot machine.  (Dual 1080's)
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                     That being said, I _would_ suggest adding a fill light off to the left, designed to cast some light on the left side of the guy on the right.  Right now, he's back-lit, as you can see by the lighting on the back of his neck and arm.  The result is that he "fades into the background" just a bit, and more attention is being drawn to the guy behind the counter than the "customer."  (Unless that was your intent, of course.)  Typically, you want to adjust the lighting to accentuate whomever it is you want the eye drawn to.  I think the lighting on the guy on the left is sufficient, particularly if you like the overall tone - I just think the guy on the right could use a tiny bit of punching up.
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                        Fck me dude your renders are really good quality. Pity i cannot see the full resolution renders. Are you on Deviantart by chance? I am if you wanted have a look at the game characters of mine.. lookup WurnBlade
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                        Once again thx for all your help.
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                        Have you seen the images from Dreams of Desire game? Love his lighting, quality and DOF he uses.
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                     Thanks, I really appreciate that. If I can remember, I'll share the full resolution renders when I get home. I'm not on deviant art, never really thought about it, but I'll check you out for sure.
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                     You're welcome, anytime. I'm looking forward to seeing your new content.
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                     Yeah, DoD is one of my favorites, Dr. Sin does a really good job with his renders and he's definitely improved his quality since he started (or he hired a different artist).
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                        Daz/Blender is a new world to me as i have previously only done Web/Graphic designing and now IT work.
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                        What is your VN game name if i may ask? Is it out yet or you just creating scene's for fun? The model you using is seriously pretty.
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                        I'll share my results here for sure as i believe for future devs it may help, at least your advice as i am like a fart in perfume factory, just kinda lost LOL.
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                     No worries, everyone has to start somewhere, I'm still learning everyday.
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                     It's still in development. I had my HDD crash a few months ago and I lost pretty much all my work; so I rage quit for a while and now I'm just getting back into it again. The name so far is Unforgettable Summer, but I'm not sure if that'll be the final name or not, I kind of want something a little more clever. However, those last 3 scenes were just for fun/practice. I wish I could take credit for her, but she's actually Clara by Digital Touch (
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                        I am in the process of developing a NON - Incest game currently. Just for fun below are the 5 main protagonists. Any advice is always appreciated. Couple of clipping issues in teh render.
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                     I like your characters. Best of luck to you on this, I'm looking forward to seeing its release. Do you have a name for it yet?
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                        before i forget i did do another render of the couch scene with more lighting... i did fix his leg and hand positioning as he was floating as you have mentioned. Actually this is the quality for my interior room view i am trying to achieve with my handshake scene.
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                     That looks really good, vivid colors and contrast. As Rich mentioned, shadows lose sharpness the farther away from the source (of the shadow) that they become. However, I really wouldn't worry about it because it looks good. And it's not always about looking real as long as it looks good.
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                     I have added after those two renders a distant light far off that will serve as my ''Sun". Ive made this light with a yellowish colour cause they are meeting in the morning so need that feel, same as the sitting on the lounge seat just not so pronounced yellow.
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                     Can i use the lamp to the left of the scene on the table as my side light? I do have an omni directional light source in there but it's not showing, how do i let that puppy light up the scene, more lumens?
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                     As for quality that is why i am here asking LOL... that image is not good enough for me as it is. The sitting on the lounge seat is my standard quality or acceptable standard for a interior scene. I want to keep them all like this.
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                     Do you have a game you are working or just helping out other devs?
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                     Unforgettable Summer - maybe "Memories of Summer or Summer days". My game is called "Retrieving the Past" as this is kinda what the main protaganist, Jensen Wenchester (my fanboy salute to Supernatural and Dean Winchester) will be going through. It's a corny name i know but it's teh best suited for the story. It has a twist in it, not sure if it's going to be an amazing twist but then again i'm not Stephen King.
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                     The quality below is what I would like to achieve also for my interior scenes, but we can't always have what we want. Yes yes i know her necklace is cutting her neck LOL..and her straps need to be closer to her shoulders. She's going to be Jensens nemesis... watch this space.
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                     Ok so i've settled on this render. I actually wanted the shadows as they give atmosphere to the game. The next scene it will make sense why the shadows are there and not disguised by the overhead lights. Anyway here it is 4500x2531Res and Max samples of 15000 which took 1h20min or so.
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                     As you guys suggested, reduced to 1920x1080 it looks pretty darn good. now onto the next scene.. thx again Rich and Jimbles.
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                     improvement.  The figures are now much better lit, and the shadows make the scene look much more realistic.  Also much crisper all the way around.
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                     In answer to your question about the lamp, the lampshade might have been blocking light from inside, if that's what you were trying to do - the lampshade may not have been really designed to let light through.  In situations like that, one possibility is to use a Ghost Light.  Although there are a pair of "Ghost Light Kits" in the Daz catalog that are all nicely scripted, the basic idea is that you can put a primitive in the scene (like a small plane), make it emissive, so that light emanates from it, and then set the plane's opacity to something tiny like 0.0000001, at which point the plane isn't visible, even though the light from it is.  This is a great way to put light into a place in a scene where you can't easily get a spotlight.  So what you could potentially have done was to put a small emissive plane (ghosted) just to the right of where that lamp had been - it would give the illusion of light having come from the lamp.
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                     Of course, there are also lamp kits "out there" that do actually illuminate things.  But the lamp wasn't really adding anything to the scene, so what you've done here is very nice.
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                     LOL i did fix the lampshade issue by removing it as i think you mentioned it previously that it's taking up a lot of real estate. Funny you should mention real estate as the bold guy is a real estate magnat.. LOL
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                     I'll see about doing what you suggested in future renders but doubt it.. maybe for a dark night scene for mood lighting. Now onto the next images in same scene. Thx again for help.
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                     For future renderes... Use the dome and use an extra distant light source as your sun... Use indoor lighting also. This seems to give you brightness and atmosphere without white washing the scene.
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                        For future renderes... Use the dome and use an extra distant light source as your sun... Use indoor lighting also. This seems to give you brightness and atmosphere without white washing the scene.
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                     All good advice.  One alternative to "dome + distant light" is to use an HDRI on your dome that includes a sun.  This tends to give a very good effect, particularly for exterior scenes.  For interior scenes, a distant light through a window will render slightly more quickly (in my experience) than using an HDRI for the same purpose.  Unless you can see out the window, of course - then the HDRI can be your sky / scenery as well.
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                        All good advice.  One alternative to "dome + distant light" is to use an HDRI on your dome that includes a sun.  This tends to give a very good effect, particularly for exterior scenes.  For interior scenes, a distant light through a window will render slightly more quickly (in my experience) than using an HDRI for the same purpose.  Unless you can see out the window, of course - then the HDRI can be your sky / scenery as well.
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                        Thx for compliments. Yes pls do share your work on Deviantart.... Also very easy to share links from deviant on here. No Photobucket needed.
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                        Unforgettable Summer - maybe "Memories of Summer or Summer days". My game is called "Retrieving the Past" as this is kinda what the main protaganist, Jensen Wenchester (my fanboy salute to Supernatural and Dean Winchester) will be going through. It's a corny name i know but it's teh best suited for the story. It has a twist in it, not sure if it's going to be an amazing twist but then again i'm not Stephen King.
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                     I wanted to say that you've made a real improvement in your renders since the other day. Good Job.
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                     Good stuff, looking forward to the game. I've only seen a few episodes of Supernatural, but it seemed like a decent show. I like the name, haha. I like stories with a twist, especially if there's clues to the twist that you only notice in a second play-through.
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                     To answer your licensing question. Daz allows for the use of assets to create pictures and videos without special licensing. If you want to use one of their models as a 3d figure in a actual game then you need to pay for the extra license. renderotica and renderocity might have their own terms, but in all reality, who cares. No one is going to ask for anything regarding the assets used in your renders. However, if you did pirate some (or all) and you start making money on your project, start buying assets. That way, if for no other reason, you give incentive for designers to keep creating them.
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                     Regarding lamps and stuff. Most "in-scene" lighting isn't designed to effectively light up your set. It's pretty much there to look pretty when it renders. However, the use of a bright point light, can be used to light up a room. Below is a quick example to show what I'm talking about. The renders were only done for about 30 seconds, just to show what I'm talking about.
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                     The light can always be adjusted to meet your needs and it's not perfect, but I was just trying to get it done in a hurry. The bright white light definitely kills the mood of the room a bit. However, with a little adjusting (115k lumens at 4400 kelvin) which yellows and dims the light we can keep some of the mood:
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                     Which doesn't look too terrible (minus the crap render quality). Again, not perfect, but it would work well enough for most things especially when trying to maintain a "low light" scene.
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                     I'll have a look at your lighting suggestions for sure. I love the warm feeling you got from the lamp. Something i'll definitely use in a sexy scene in the future.
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                        So if a single frame takes you 30 minutes to render and you aim for 30 frames a second for your animation then a simple 10 second animation consists of 300 frames requiring rendering. 300 X 30 = 9000 minutes = 150 hours = 6.25 days...
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                        I think it is a reasonable waste of time. What's the whole point of making game? Make it as cool as i can! I think that this animations requires maximum 2-3 seconds, and even less in fast movement scenes.
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                     Use the standart frame rate for movies - 24 fps and drawing "twos" (one drawing is made for every two frames).
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                        some one  help me please i cannot add colour to genitalia. whenever i render a image the genitalia elements remain white in colour???? i have downloaded genesis 8 anatomy genitalia from a third party installer not from the daz website. can some tell me how to apply colour both male and female genitalia
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                     There are several ways - one is to reapply the mats to the figure itself _after_ adding the genitalia. Some genitalia have "copy mats" functionality (the Victoria 8 has that function), and sometimes you need to reapply mats to the genitalia itself (using the surface selector and surface tab).
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