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                        I like the idea of creating my own game but I think that won't work. Unfortunately, I am always obsessed with details which would take me months to go from version to version
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                        I like making my renders as realistic as possible.
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                        For this, I choose only the best models/skins, apply skin shaders, fiber eyebrows/eyelashes, body/facial hair,  light, realistic cameras with depth of field.
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                        Enough chit chat, I hope you like them.
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                        These new Genesis 8 models are amazing. I really love the shape of the feet. It's hard to not love them with a little foot fetish^^
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                     those look great, iv been thinking about getting daz to play around a bit. how hard is it and do you have any tips?
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                        those look great, iv been thinking about getting daz to play around a bit. how hard is it and do you have any tips?
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                     Hey, thank you for your feedback. I wasted a lot of time learning Daz, so I will tell you some things which are very important to know imo. It's like, I wished I knew these things right from the beginning.
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                     First of all, you should get familiar with lighting. I assume that you are going to use Iray. Play around with spot lights, place them into the scene, rearrange them, check out the renders. You can play around with commercial Iray light presets which you can get on some of these sites...
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                     Experiment with surfaces. Check out how the figures are built down to the very last bone.
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                     Play around with the sliders in the surfaces tab, place other materials on figures, and make them glass sculptures for example. In this way you will learn a lot about the mechanisms behind this.
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                     One essential thing is the camera. Always use camera in the scene, not only the perspective view. And ALWAYS turn off the camera headlight. Don't even think about turning it on. It's useless and will completely mess up with your renders. The camera is what gives you the "realistic" look. You can also undo movements of the camera which is very handy.
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                     If you want depth of field, you better learn the basics of photography.
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                     I use a focal lenght of 200mm for portraits, which professional photographers also do.
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                     In Parameters-&gt;Camera panel, turn on depth of field, then turn on "Near DOF Plane Visibility" and use the "Focal Distance" slider to set the position of the plane. The plane decides the transition between sharp and blurry.
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                     It is not realistic to have the whole scene razor-sharp. The brain will notice and tell that there is something wrong. So use DOF.
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                     Check out Render Settings-&gt;Environment. This is one of the most important things. Understand what a dome is, learn the difference between "dome" and "dome and scene" or "scene only" in the "Environment Mode" panel.
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                     TIP: If you are using dome lighting only in the future, use CTRL-L to turn on the helping lights. Otherwise you will see pitch black in the preview window if there are no light sources.
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                     Get some skin shaders like anagenessis and apply them to your figures surface. It will look a thousand percent better just by doing this.
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                     And now a topic which is very important to me: Details.
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                     Try to add as much detail as possible to your figures. Use fiber eyebrows and not the flat brushstrokes which come with the facial texture. For example, these will not create shadows on the face. In real world, eyebrows will throw shadows.
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                     Use the brow remover tool to erase the drawn eyebrows and use oh my brows to apply the fiber. It will look much better.
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                     You can also use fiber eyelashes. It is not a big change compared to the eyebrows but the brain will still notice.
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                     Then, use facial hair like "peach fuzz" this is very important. There is always tiny blond/white hair on human faces.
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                     One of the things I missed at the beggining was the model looking right into the camera.
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                     In case you didn't know, select one eye with the selection tool and go to the "Parameters" tab. There you choose the first entry, the one with the bone. On the right find "Point at" and select your camera. Repeat with the other eye.
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                     Another thing are sliders. Sometimes you have the sliders going from -100 to +100 for example. You pushed it to the maximum in one direction but you need more. Then click on the gear icon that comes on the upper right on every slider and choose "Parameter settings". Uncheck "Use limits" and you are ready to go over 9000.
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                     Now, that's it for now. If you have further questions on a certain topic then let me know. I will try to help.
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                     Now have fun with your renders and let's see the differences between the renders you made before and after applying my tips
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                     R.E. the other shoe, i.e. game development, you could always shoot for something simple to use your renders for.  RenPy is designed for storytelling, so you could make an 'interactive comic' or just a web comic, rather than bothering with fancy game mechanics.
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                     One thing at a time though.  You are off to a quite excellent start with your renders there!  Definitely decent erotic 3D comic material if nothing else!  You have a talent for this, so definitely keep playing around with Daz Studio!
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                        Yes, if you want to render with iRay. You can also use 3delight which comes with lower graphics quality or just look for a very different renderer like Luxrender. But I don't know if Luxrender needs CUDA/Nvidia.
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                     Yeah to get the renders done quickly and to get a good basis, don't hold back when getting the Motherboard. You should have at least a quad core , a minimum of 4 gigs ram, and at least 1gb vram video card. Daz's "requirements" are slightly less than what i quoted but the issue is the render engines like 3delight, luxrender, etc will add a bit to the requirements. For example, to use the IRay render engine, you need 64-bit OS running an NVIDIA video card with 4gb vram and cuda compute capability 2.0.
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                        Hey, thank you for your feedback. I wasted a lot of time learning Daz, so I will tell you some things which are very important to know imo. It's like, I wished I knew these things right from the beginning.
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                        First of all, you should get familiar with lighting. I assume that you are going to use Iray. Play around with spot lights, place them into the scene, rearrange them, check out the renders. You can play around with commercial Iray light presets which you can get on some of these sites...
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                        Experiment with surfaces. Check out how the figures are built down to the very last bone.
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                        Play around with the sliders in the surfaces tab, place other materials on figures, and make them glass sculptures for example. In this way you will learn a lot about the mechanisms behind this.
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                        One essential thing is the camera. Always use camera in the scene, not only the perspective view. And ALWAYS turn off the camera headlight. Don't even think about turning it on. It's useless and will completely mess up with your renders. The camera is what gives you the "realistic" look. You can also undo movements of the camera which is very handy.
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                        If you want depth of field, you better learn the basics of photography.
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                        I use a focal lenght of 200mm for portraits, which professional photographers also do.
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                        In Parameters-&gt;Camera panel, turn on depth of field, then turn on "Near DOF Plane Visibility" and use the "Focal Distance" slider to set the position of the plane. The plane decides the transition between sharp and blurry.
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                        It is not realistic to have the whole scene razor-sharp. The brain will notice and tell that there is something wrong. So use DOF.
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                        Check out Render Settings-&gt;Environment. This is one of the most important things. Understand what a dome is, learn the difference between "dome" and "dome and scene" or "scene only" in the "Environment Mode" panel.
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                        TIP: If you are using dome lighting only in the future, use CTRL-L to turn on the helping lights. Otherwise you will see pitch black in the preview window if there are no light sources.
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                        Get some skin shaders like anagenessis and apply them to your figures surface. It will look a thousand percent better just by doing this.
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                        Try to add as much detail as possible to your figures. Use fiber eyebrows and not the flat brushstrokes which come with the facial texture. For example, these will not create shadows on the face. In real world, eyebrows will throw shadows.
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                        Use the brow remover tool to erase the drawn eyebrows and use oh my brows to apply the fiber. It will look much better.
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                        Now have fun with your renders and let's see the differences between the renders you made before and after applying my tips
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                     hey, i have been experimenting on and off every couple of months and then ragequitting, could you explain what rendersettings and lighting values to use, im not sure if i fucked up some kinda setting but it takes like 4 hours of rendering only to see there's not enough light, i tried intensity and luminocity(or whatever its called) but still dark af.
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                        hey, i have been experimenting on and off every couple of months and then ragequitting, could you explain what rendersettings and lighting values to use, im not sure if i fucked up some kinda setting but it takes like 4 hours of rendering only to see there's not enough light, i tried intensity and luminocity(or whatever its called) but still dark af.
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                     Hi. Was the scene intended to be dark like an interrogation room?
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                     If not, you definetely don't have enough light sources in the scene. The more light is missing, the longer iray will take to render.
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                     I would suggest to use the iray ghost light kit to bring some light into the scene.
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                     You can also play around with the tone mapping settings, especially with f-stop, exposure time and shutter speed.
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                     Just set the f-stop to 8 and you will already see a huge difference.
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                     Make sure to use a camera and not the default viewport.
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                     Also note that you will need huge numbers with the luminosity to see a difference. Start with 200.000 and work your way down.
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                     Use a HDRI dome and let the light shine through the windows. This makes the scene much more natural.
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                        Hi. Was the scene intended to be dark like an interrogation room?
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                        If not, you definetely don't have enough light sources in the scene. The more light is missing, the longer iray will take to render.
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                        I would suggest to use the iray ghost light kit to bring some light into the scene.
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                        You can also play around with the tone mapping settings, especially with f-stop, exposure time and shutter speed.
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                        Just set the f-stop to 8 and you will already see a huge difference.
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                        Make sure to use a camera and not the default viewport.
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                        Use a HDRI dome and let the light shine through the windows. This makes the scene much more natural.
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                     Thank you my friend. I make sure to use only the best textures with the most details, or I make them by my own with tools like skin builder. Also I make sure to use HD and detail morphs for the face like wrinkles, morphs for the feet, vellus hair on the face and body etc. As perfectionistic as I am, I can fiddle around with details for multiple hours for a single render until I'm anywhere near satisfied. You just have to develope an eye for what is realistic or not. Of course it is easy to imagine it but hard to actually tranfer your ideas to something like DAZ. That's what this is about. Learning new tools and tricks to get the results you think about.
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                     Thanks bro. I really would like to make my own game but it seems to be impossible at the moment. I live in a country where a RTX 2080 for example costs like five times the minimum wage and I am stuck with my GTX 970 which can't handle a 2 or 3 character scene, not even mentioning the environment and props. I would want my game to have the quality you can see here or even better. It must be perfect, no excuses, no cheating. Not possible at the moment. And the RTX 3 series won't be any cheaper I fear.
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