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                        because betas enjoy seeing their girl getting fucked by alphas in front of them.
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                     How many of them(I dont wantto say "you") fuck thier own mother or sister or want to? if they like incest ofcourse. How many of them blackmail to fuck, or rape someone? Any one of them put drug someones drink? Some protagonist is female. If they are a female too, I have to think they want to raped by someone? Or they want to be a prostitute! Or they dont like your own gender, want to be female. My friends like saw but I dont see anyone of them try to torture anyone or want to. They are not a psychopat. Everyone has a fetishes in this forum. İt doesnt mean that they are alpha, pervert or psychopat... EVeryone has a different taste. I dont have to understand, I dont have to like. But your attitude is humiliating, offensive and judging.
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                     People tend to self-insertion in games but it's neither a life portrayal nor psychoanalytically relevant. It's fiction and at best it may make your dick hard. However, some people have a hard time accepting that (mostly cause they feel insecure about themself and prefer harem situations and rant about ntr players being beta when it's probably the other way around), which is why you see a lot of unnecessary comments or other mundane shit in here or elsewhere. 90% or more people who loves ntr don't self insert as any of the characters or simply are bored of vanilla (me included, sometimes, if the game as a nice story i portray myself as the bad guy cause it satisfy my sadistic side, like in lily of the valley) but it's really personal and there are several type of ntr( A, B-1,B-2,C, VN, netorase) and several reasons for which people love it
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                        ok now why is everyone comparing NTR and INCEST?
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                     One reason I can think of is that both are usually quite unpleasant in real life even though a fantasy for some.
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                     It's a non erotic adventure based on The Walking Dead. You can buy it on steam if you're interested. There are actually three seasons, but the first is by far the best imo. TellTale (the developer) made a lot of games, not all of them are based on the TWD, there's also a Borderlands, GOT, Batman game, so should you buy the game and happen to like it, you can look for a bundle.
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                     That's the crux, isn't it? We all have our kinks, but in real life we tend to refrain from those that can do real damage, or have negative consequences. NTR usually goes hand in hand with corruption, something you generally don't want to do in real life.
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                     The decision to become foreveralone is not an easy one.   Temptation everywhere, constantly teasing you with their boob and asses, making you rethink your life-choices, and threatening the very fiber of your being.
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                     Once you've broken free of girl-gravity, and are no longer orbiting, the vastness of space is the greatest freedom you've ever know, there's no turning back now.   Seeing NTR reinforces what you already know... that all women are cheating slut whores. Watching it again and again, strengthens your resolve.
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                        How many of them(I dont wantto say "you") fuck thier own mother or sister or want to? if they like incest ofcourse. How many of them blackmail to fuck, or rape someone? Any one of them put drug someones drink? Some protagonist is female. If they are a female too, I have to think they want to raped by someone? Or they want to be a prostitute! Or they dont like your own gender, want to be female. My friends like saw but I dont see anyone of them try to torture anyone or want to. They are not a psychopat. Everyone has a fetishes in this forum. İt doesnt mean that they are alpha, pervert or psychopat... EVeryone has a different taste. I dont have to understand, I dont have to like. But your attitude is humiliating, offensive and judging.
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                     I don't like NTR, but I also love it, it depends on the story and how its done.
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                     It's two different fetishes and a game concept that are being conflated here. One is
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                     "Pimp" and "Cuckold" are basically the two ways by which you can have female promiscuity in a stable relationship. One being Maledom and one being Femdom in its power dynamics. The Cuckold fetish is Femdom in nature, which is why so many dislike it so strongly. The Pimp fetish however implies strong female submission to the MC, which more people tolerate. Without the asymmetric power dynamics stabilizing the relationship, in real life, a female-promiscuous couple cannot survive such promiscuity. Consider the story of a guy supposedly on equal footing with his girlfriend, then subsequently tolerating her whoring herself out - it rings incredulous and untrue. No, the only believable situations for female promiscuity and a continuing relationship are where the guy is either a complete cuck, or he's so much of an alpha pimp that the girl is whoring herself out
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                     Now I definitely endorse the Pimp Fetish, but I would insist on always having the option in a game with this type of thing going on of keeping the girl all to myself - Otherwise, the game mechanically forces you to let your girl fuck other guys, which is not what the Pimp Lyfe really is about, ironically.
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                     , to the point where you can have her fuck gross dudes for money and bring you said money - or even just for entertainment. If you want her to fuck a smelly homeless guy as a freebie just to teach her a lesson and humiliate her, over a slight mayhaps or just to remind her who owns her slut ass, you just make her do it, and she'll love every second of it because she gets to
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                        It's two different fetishes and a game concept that are being conflated here. One is
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                        - a guy submissive to a woman watching her getting plowed by a superior man. The other is the
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                        . A dominant guy corrupting a girl, or an entire gaggle of chicks, into being cheap sluts, whose only existential purpose is to serve as a living cum receptacle for men inferior to the MC, not even good enough to suck his cum off the floor. The Pimp Lyfe is the more common in western H-Games (Akabur seems to get off on this very hard, but almost everything with the tag "Corruption" and a male protagonist has it).
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                        , again, I understand as something different, and in opposition to this boards confused and muddled usage, I'm going to define it purely as a
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                        where the MC is supposed to be put under some kind of pressure, and has to "outplay the competition", lest the girl gets taken away by another guy. This only makes sense in games that have actual gameplay, of course.
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                        "Pimp" and "Cuckold" are basically the two ways by which you can have female promiscuity in a stable relationship. One being Maledom and one being Femdom in its power dynamics. The Cuckold fetish is Femdom in nature, which is why so many dislike it so strongly. The Pimp fetish however implies strong female submission to the MC, which more people tolerate. Without the asymmetric power dynamics stabilizing the relationship, in real life, a female-promiscuous couple cannot survive such promiscuity. Consider the story of a guy supposedly on equal footing with his girlfriend, then subsequently tolerating her whoring herself out - it rings incredulous and untrue. No, the only believable situations for female promiscuity and a continuing relationship are where the guy is either a complete cuck, or he's so much of an alpha pimp that the girl is whoring herself out
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                        him.
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                        Now I definitely endorse the Pimp Fetish, but I would insist on always having the option in a game with this type of thing going on of keeping the girl all to myself - Otherwise, the game mechanically forces you to let your girl fuck other guys, which is not what the Pimp Lyfe really is about, ironically.
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                         It's about you gaining absolute control over the girl
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                        , to the point where you can have her fuck gross dudes for money and bring you said money - or even just for entertainment. If you want her to fuck a smelly homeless guy as a freebie just to teach her a lesson and humiliate her, over a slight mayhaps or just to remind her who owns her slut ass, you just make her do it, and she'll love every second of it because she gets to
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                        . The Pimp Fetish is about the humiliation, the submission, the corruption and the sheer shamelessness of a female character, shaped at the hands of the pimping player.
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                        I think "Big Brother" is the big one that made "NTR" such a thing on this board, and
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                        who'd much rather fuck the stallionesque NTR character of that game than any of the girls in the house. That puts people off, naturally, who would play the game with the thought of some lewd sisters to defile, not instead watching some gay guys dreamy stallion plow the girls while the player (the MC) is impotently masturbating to it.
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                     The artist Picasso was a famous cuck.  At 70 or so years old, having a 20ish bride meant making certain allowances.  He didn't fit either of your characterizations.  Hardly submissive, the wife licked his shoes, nor was he pimping her out.
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                     The many forms of cuckdom.
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                     One country, after suffering humiliating defeat in war, sought to improve future generations.   To have their wives impregnated by the occupying enemy, was a great honor, it assured that their sons stood a better chance of being  warriors.
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                     Much the same, someone who suffered life with a small penis, might want to have a son he could be proud of.  thrilled watching his wife take a BBC, hoping she'll get knocked up and give him an heir who's good at sports, and won't have trouble getting laid, etc.
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                        What are you trying to say here that PIMPS are basicly cucks who dont want to admit that they are cucks.
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                     No. I'm saying that what we (on this board) are talking about here when we are talking "NTR" is usually not "Cuckoldry", it's "Promiscuous Women". "Cuck" and "Pimp" are about the relationship of a man to said promiscuous woman. The cuck cares very much about the woman, worships her, and considers himself unworthy or incapable of properly fucking her (see: polywog's picasso), while the Pimp has reached the point of zero fucks given, as in, why would he even care about some cheap slut? He has others. If the pimp would get jealous about the girl fucking someone else, it would mean she has a certain power over him, while the whole point of the pimp is for him to have absolute power over the girl.
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                     Basically once a month, for merely 1-2 days, due to sexual hormones, the woman is completely out of her mind, (or: slightly more so than normal) and all that she can think about is getting her holes stuffed. That is,
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                     , and the exhibited behaviors signal to men, "this woman is in the fertile stage of her cycle", in turn getting the observing men ready to fertilize said girl in every hole by making them horny as fuck. As you know, your average woman with a cycle of 30 days is basically infertile during 28 of them and only fertile for 2 or so, the behavioral changes can be subtle, but men are very sensitive to it. Experienced girls - Porn Stars for example, but hookers too and just about any experienced seductress, do know how to simulate this sort of behavior even when they're not on the cycle, and know that it triggers the instinctive "fertilize the slut" reaction in mens monkey brains. And part of this whole act (or 'natural' hormone-induced nymphomania) is not caring about who she fucks anymore, the more dicks the better.
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                     Cuckolds, Pimps, just about every heterosexual man is going to enjoy this Fertility Display. If you say you don't, you are either a homo, a liar, or a moron. But while the "normal relationship man" will simply try to fuck the girl good as soon as she gets into this kind of enjoyable mood (for that is literally the only reason for any girl to have a boyfriend - so she has someone who can fuck her and get her pregnant ASAP) the cuckold is similarly at the beck and call of the woman's whims, drives her to her locations, possibly locating potential bulls himself, and is basically a cheerleader during the act. Meanwhile, the corrupting pimp takes complete control over the girls entire sexuality, and teaches her to "act out" the fertility display whenever he is in the mood for entertainment of this sort, or in order to maximize cash income when he sends her hooking, or just to make her get used to being used as a worthless slut, and sexually "rewarded" for this obedience, being an intelligent man, still knowing when she is acting and when she is genuinely fertile.
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                     not a fan of it... but as i understand NTR/cuckold is about your woman getting it on with another man and you not getting any sexual release... i can understand swingers that swap their partners because its mutual (i'm also not a fan of swinging but i understand it).... maybe its so popular in porn because people like to jerk it to some guy getting everything taken away from him and made to watch (sort of like how drug cartels will burn a man family alive or cut them up alive in front of the man then kill the man) so the porn exist for people to jerk off at the suffering of another human.... maybe in these type of porn vids people like to imagine its their boss thats getting NTR (if they got a shitty boss).... its that or the people that do watch it may be homosexual and have trouble coming to terms that they're gay (it okay to be gay if you're)
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                        I think we need to separate real life cuckoldry and a game genre, that is quite diverse. Yes, we have games like NTRPG, with a male MC where the main purpose is to suffer, that kind of NTR I hate. What I like, is a NTR with a female MC where (as I wrote in my previous post) get corrupted by circumstances that forced her to choose that path. It have nothing to do with any male, if any in her life. What I'm interested in is her perspective, not his pain of loosing her, knowingly or unknowingly. I could also enjoy a male that desire his partner to be with other men, but again, I only enjoy her perspective, not his. To enjoy NTR have nothing to do with any desire to have the girlfriend stolen or fucked by someone else. That's something completely different, something close to the NTRPG game series, which I hate. I really don't care about the male perspective, as that would make me (as we are a empathic species) part of the story and it would make me feel the loss and agony. No, NTR should be the perspective of the woman, at least that's the kind of NTR I want to play.
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                     in NTR someone always get hurt in a savage way, thats the nature of NTR/cuckold (if its the woman just being liberal like you said and the focus is just on her then you would get just as excited if the back story was if she was single)...... sure we're a bunch of empathizing species but not all of us is the same and they doo hide it well, like a conman.... i'm not judging you or anyone who watch it but i can't understand the lifestyle.....
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                        New forum user here, hello.
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                        NTR has very quickly become one of my favorite porn genres.
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                        Its so satisfying to immerse yourself in this idyllic love story and then watch it all start to crumble away.
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                        The tension, the doubt, the absolute horror of the betrayal. It's like a thriller/mystery/horror mixed into one.
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                        The best part about NTR stories is that they usually take a looooong time to bloom.
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                        The characters keep secrets, suspect and keep living their lives like nothing is wrong, but every now
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                        It's watching that purity chip away over an extended period of time that gets me going.
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                        Mutual love being replaced by lust, or even better, love for someone else is jut the punch in the gut that I need.
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                        Basically, for me the draw of NTR is the extended immersion and the pain.
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                        It's like hard liquor compared to flat beer. It may be a sign that the internet has
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                        I'm displeased by how some people view NTR/cucking as a fetish when they don't share it.
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                     I like your explanation. "NTR" as you describe it sounds like it might be its own thing, and not be related to the "Cuckold Fetish" at all. (Or on this board, "NTR" typically means "Female Promiscuity").
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                     So to you it is a sort of "Relationship Corruption", as opposed to the more familiar corruption of an individual, i.e. that person becomes shameless and debauched. I can't say I'm into it, but I'd like to hear more about your take about what appeals to you there to understand it better. Maybe a few examples would be in order? I'm guessing something like "Good Girl Gone Bad" is right up your alley? That's the only game I can think of (and like) where "trashing a relationship" plays a central role. "Katies Corruption" is another, but that is a bit shit.
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                        The artist Picasso was a famous cuck.  At 70 or so years old, having a 20ish bride meant making certain allowances.  He didn't fit either of your characterizations.  Hardly submissive, the wife licked his shoes, nor was he pimping her out.
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                     I agree.
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                     To me a "Cuck" is a man who is being cheated on by his woman. Married or Not.  It is not a Dom Sub thing.  Many Powerful men are being "Cucked".  All it takes to be a "cuck"  is to have a wife who is,for one reason or another,
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                        I agree.
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                        To me a "Cuck" is a man who is being cheated on by his woman. Married or Not.  It is not a Dom Sub thing.  Many Powerful men are being "Cucked".  All it takes to be a "cuck"  is to have a wife who is,for one reason or another,
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                     That is just a matter of definition, i.e. wordplay. If you want to differentiate between "Cuckold(Fetish)" and "Being cuckolded(By cheating woman)", and possibly "Being a cuck(Low energy)", the ideal solution is to find different terms for each thing. Words sometimes have multiple, equally valid meanings (insofar that they are understood in their intended meaning). These are all different (if related) concepts, yet we use similar-sounding terms for them. In this instance I simply added parentheses to explain what specific instance I meant, but this solution may not be the most aesthetically pleasing to everyone.
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                     In philosophy, whenever you want to evaluate a concept, you first have to precisely define what you mean when you name the concept. Otherwise, in detailed evaluation, you end up arguing against a completely different definition of the same term, and the entire dialogue goes to shit because you are literally talking about different things. If later an initial definition seems unsatisfactory, you can always refine this definition.
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                     Understanding that we are dealing at the same time with a type of sexual fetish, an activity (or the attribute being imparted by said activity), and a ~2015 internet insult, is the first step to taking the term apart.
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                        I agree.
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                        To me a "Cuck" is a man who is being cheated on by his woman. Married or Not.  It is not a Dom Sub thing.  Many Powerful men are being "Cucked".  All it takes to be a "cuck"  is to have a wife who is,for one reason or another,
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                     One confusing definition followed by another.   Cheating.   What is cheating?
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                     A man and his wife live happily together, they have children, he eats meat and processed foods, and one day he wakes up with Erectile dysfunction.   I'm sorry honey, he says.   The wife says, these holes aint gonna fill themselves, I want a divorce, I'm keeping the house and kids, you're paying for everything, and you can go sleep under your desk at work, while Jamal moves in with me and helps me raise your children.
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                     The man knows he fucked up not getting her to sign a prenup, as if that would have helped, she'd still take him to the cleaners because he was stupid enough to get married in the first place.   So what choice does he have?   Say goodbye to the kids, and throw his whole life away?   Or keep the house and kids, and let the wife and Jamal do their thing.  It's not cheating if they agree that it's ok.
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                     Some people might whine about the "in sickness and in health, til death do us part" crap, but that won't get you anywhere. You promised her cock somewhere in those vows, and if you can't deliver, the marriage is over.... unless you're a cuck.
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                     People go to church when they want to pray and play a certain game when they want to "fulfill" a certain fetish, NTR included. Asking why people do have a certain fetish is like  saying "Why do people like cheese, it`s so smelly, so disgusting". I would answer "Someday when you`ll grow up you will understand that people have different likes/dislikes".
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                     That's just a cop out. Assume I don't like cheese, and I ask a cheeselover "Why do you like this stuff", the answer shouldn't be "Uh I just do", it's "I like the salty, savory flavor of it" or "It's a really handy, energy-dense food to have around" (Disclaimer to americans, I'm swiss. Real cheese comes in blocks or slices that you can carry around in wax paper, and it has a high fat content, so it's really handy as a food item. Cheese doesn't come in spraycans)
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                     Actually when it comes to fetishes most of the time people don`t know why they like it, they just like it.
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                     I didn`t cop out, it`s just that question sounds like "Why would people like something so disgusting?".  That`s childish and even a little hypocritical when asked in an Adult Game Forum.
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                        Actually when it comes to fetishes most of the time people don`t know why they like it, they just like it.
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                     No, people who "don't know why they like it" just aren't very verbal people. Just because we do something doesn't mean we can verbally express (correctly) the entire reasoning of why we do it. Or vice versa: Just because we can't express why we do or like a certain thing, doesn't mean there's no reason for you to do or like that thing. That isn't how the human brain works, we need to think about things in a verbal manner to even begin being able to talk about them. Some people just aren't very verbal like that. In fact, most people, for most things they do or "like", can't tell you good reasons why they do them or like them. Most people aren't verbalizing powerhouses, most people don't have the leisure to put every sort of impulse of theirs into compelling words. Or they plain don't like talking or they aren't good at talking, are more seeing/doing based in their operations than verbalizing their thoughts. Or they may be perfectly capable of verbalizing in this instance, but feel whatever reasoning they give for liking or disliking would let them appear in a bad light. Consider the "Why do you like incest games" thread, how many people there answered "Because I always wanted to fuck my mom" - Nobody. I don't know if that truly isn't the reason for anybody, or if those people just don't talk about it.
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                     It's perfectly fine to say "I can't/won't talk about why I like/do this", but I believe that being able to talk about such things is generally a good thing, and people who can find the leisure or strength to talk about them should do so - in an apprioriate context. (Talking about how you want to fuck your mother... yeah probably take it to 4chan) What you did there was actively discouraging people from talking about why they like/do a thing - and that's just a recipe of repression and ignorance.
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                     "Why do you like something so disgusting" is obviously not a productive line of questioning. Always keep an open mind. Especially on a porn forum full of perverts.
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                        in turn getting the observing men ready to fertilize said girl in every hole
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                     You know that you can only fertilise the girl in one particular hole, right?
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                        as i understand NTR/cuckold is about your woman getting it on with another man and you not getting any sexual release... i can understand swingers that swap their partners because its mutual
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                     The thing is that swinging is quite often the idea of one of the partners, and the other one just gets along with it.
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                     Years ago, there was a porn video of a girl called "Toni Freeland". It was a gonzo / real type of porn where Toni and her "boyfriend" drive around trying to pick up girls with which Toni would get some lesbian action. I'm not sure how "real" these movies were, but they seemed quite legit to me. Anyway, in one episode, one girl brings her boyfriend and then gets visibly annoyed when Toni gets it on with him. Even though it's her idea.
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                        The wife says, these holes aint gonna fill themselves, I want a divorce, I'm keeping the house and kids, you're paying for everything, and you can go sleep under your desk at work, while Jamal moves in with me and helps me raise your children.
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                        Or keep the house and kids, and let the wife and Jamal do their thing.  It's not cheating if they agree that it's ok.
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                     In my opinion, in both of the first examples, the guy is a cuck. The true Alpha Male would kill both his wife and Jamal. In fact this kind of "crime passionel" was/is legal in some countries, including France not that long ago. The more modern / civilised / westernised / castrated alpha male would hire a good lawyer, take his wife to the cleaners for cheating and let the whore and Jamal sleep under the bridge...
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                     I think that's the key. It's about power, not about cheating. The alpha male needs to keep control, the cuck gets off on losing control. Of course in reality, also the alpha may still lose control (cheating wife) and the cuck may lose more than he would have liked.
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                     A beta looks around and sees millions of Alphas, to him Alphas are errrywhere.  He spots a group he thinks are betas, and says wow they're just like me, i'll go see if they will let me be their friend.
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                     NTR isn't always about power play. It's about sexual dynamics in the relationship falling outside the cultural norm of being monogamous. It's generally shown as the female partner willingly having sex with someone besides her partner. For some reason, even non-consensual sex counts as NTR in Eastern cultures whereas Western cultures view it as the female partner willingly having sex with someone besides her partner.
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                     Now we've got the bare basics covered. Sometimes NTR involves power exchanges or displays where either the male is using his power to convince the female to have sex with someone else OR it can be the female using her power to "put the male in his place" or for many other reasons. Sometimes its biological as in the male cannot last longer than minute, he cannot get hard, or he does not seek sex with her. Other times, the female is a nymphomaniac.
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                     That's just barely getting started with the psychological stuff there. Now, it seems some of you in this thread are REALLY reading WAY TOO MUCH into beta this or alpha that. No. NTR is far too complicated to put in that box and will never fit in the "beta vs alpha" theory. When I see someone constantly arguing or pushing the alpha/beta diagram, I see someone with serious power issues they need to get a grip on.
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                        NTR isn't always about power play. It's about sexual dynamics in the relationship falling outside the cultural norm of being monogamous. It's generally shown as the female partner willingly having sex with someone besides her partner. For some reason, even non-consensual sex counts as NTR in Eastern cultures whereas Western cultures view it as the female partner willingly having sex with someone besides her partner.
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                        Now we've got the bare basics covered. Sometimes NTR involves power exchanges or displays where either the male is using his power to convince the female to have sex with someone else OR it can be the female using her power to "put the male in his place" or for many other reasons. Sometimes its biological as in the male cannot last longer than minute, he cannot get hard, or he does not seek sex with her. Other times, the female is a nymphomaniac.
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                        That's just barely getting started with the psychological stuff there. Now, it seems some of you in this thread are REALLY reading WAY TOO MUCH into beta this or alpha that. No. NTR is far too complicated to put in that box and will never fit in the "beta vs alpha" theory. When I see someone constantly arguing or pushing the alpha/beta diagram, I see someone with serious power issues they need to get a grip on.
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                     Alphas are great in mythology, but there's no place for them in modern society.  They are like 7th son of a 7th son rare, and most people have never met one in their life unless they've been to prison.
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                     No one can make you feel inferior, without your consent.  Everybody stand up and yell "I'm beta and i'm proud"
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                            Alphas are great in mythology, but there's no place for them in modern society.  They are like 7th son of a 7th son rare, and most people have never met one in their life unless they've been to prison.
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                     Polywog, I greatly enjoyed your previous post, schooling Thialf. But now you are wrong. "Alphas" aren't a person. Alpha is a frame, a social role. Alpha-Beta is the relationship to people around you. The Frame is what gives the people one perceives as "Alpha" their power. It is the Frame created by all that engage in social interactions. This Frame surrounds us and penetrates us and it holds the universe of social interactions together.
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                     The one that you perceive as the greatest Alpha will be the greatest Beta with one he chooses to be his Alpha. Some people have attributes and attitudes that make their frame alpha in a great variety of situations, while other for other people, they become beta in a variety of situations. Learning to establish and maintain the desired frame consciously or subconsciously, is a skill. An "alpha" is never an Alpha on his own, he is always just the alpha of his surroundings, and he is chosen to be the alpha of his social dynamics because he exhibits or displays attributes that make him desireable as an alpha. Established relationships will always exhibit this alpha-beta dynamic, except in the case of where people are still competing with each other over the hierarchy - which is inherently unstable and it is always just a question of time until a clear hierarchy is established. The Alpha the leader, the Beta the supplicant. But even the Alpha in a way submits to the Betas supplication for guidance and leadership. The Omega is the hermit who avoids social dynamics altogether. We all sometimes look to other people for guidance, and in that frame, they are alpha and we are beta. And we all supplicated to from time to time, making us the Alpha, and the other the Beta. And when we are alone in our rooms, not socially interacting with anyone, we are all Omega.
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                     I'm also quite bored of all this BS of Alpha/Betas, that obviously is something you learned watching a movie or something.
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                     of course, depends on the situations, in some groups, maybe we need a leader, but I'm sure that leader don't have the privilege to have all women. I get it, some male have "it", they have that charisma/finesse to flirt with women and get lucky more then others, but thats not about alpha/betas, its about personality. Just because we have a successful male that "fucks" a lot, doesn't mean we want to be him or we want to worship him. I know 2 friends that gets lucky often, but on the other part they can't keep the relationship longer. And I don't feel under them at all and they are not my leaders. So please stop this BS about Alpha/Betas. It doesn't exist, at least not in a modern society.
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                     Personally, I dont really project myself onto main characters, so it doesnt feel as if *Im* the one being cheated. Best described: Playing these kind of games (to me), feels like watching a low budget kinky-as-fuck porn flick, albeit from "beta male´s" perspective. (And, sometimes, these so called "alpha males" who are doing all sorts of taboo stuff to the protagonists partner, can be hot, in a wierd, bad, "nope", kind of way - they are frequently depicted as muscular, with crooked features. I dig that).
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                     Can't choose your fetish, just playing around as kids my friends older sister tied me to a chair and sat on my lap and ignored my protests, remember feeling weird while it was happening.
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                     Netorare is the Japanese term for cuckoldry. So Netorare = cuckoldry.
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                     A cuckold is simply a man whose wife cheats on him and/or he is raising children who are NOT his but he believes they are his. He can be encouraging it or he can be completely unaware. Sometimes he watches but sometimes he doesn't.
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                     Now, what the Japanese have done to it is butchered the term. For example, some artists have put a really nasty spin on it. Some have called a man raping another man's wife in front of him (then she likes it) as cuckoldry. Umm. NO that is NOT the case because that's actually rape, NOT cuckoldry. Another thing they LOVE to do is trick or coerce a woman into sex then call it "cuckoldry". Again, NOT true. That's actually a form of rape, as well.
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                     Remember, she (the wife) consents to all encounters for it be "cuckoldry" since SHE is cheating on him. The cuckold falls into 3 camps..
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                     1- He doesn't know about it at all. This can morph into #2 or #3. Say he walks in on her?
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                     2- He knows but is not a participant. Maybe they talk and they break up, he accepts but doesn't watch, or he becomes #3.
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                     3- He knows and is a participant. He could be the instigator or he watches them have sex. Or many other scenarios!
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                     A brilliant portrayal of cuckold in cinema, was in the movie Blade Runner.    A lonely toymaker JF Sebastian, meets a girl, Pris.  He invites her to stay with him, and JF is thrilled to have her companionship, but soon Pris' lover Roy arrives, and takes over JF's home.   JF jizzes his pants watching Pris and Roy.    JF was being used, and he loved every minute of it.
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                        Cuckold comes from the French word Cuckoo.  A rather unusual bird who lays her eggs in the nest of other birds. She does not do this secretly or when the other bird is away.  The cuckoo steps into an occupied nest, and says "here, you're raising this baby"  and she leaves.
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                     Same in German 'Kuckuck'. The scientific name for the bird is cuculus canorus. Story is as you describe, just to add, when the egg is in the other birds nest they think it's their own and breed it. When the cockold baby is big enough it uses to throw the birds' own breed out of the nest so his 'new parents' exclusively feed and raise the cuckold baby. It is not known if the new parents like this or simply don't notice whose baby they raise.
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                     This story is somewhat different from cuckoldry when a woman cheats in front of her boyfriend/lover/husband.
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                        Netorare is the Japanese term for cuckoldry. So Netorare = cuckoldry.
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                        A cuckold is simply a man whose wife cheats on him and/or he is raising children who are NOT his but he believes they are his. He can be encouraging it or he can be completely unaware. Sometimes he watches but sometimes he doesn't.
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                     Thanks for the explanation. So, most of what is called ntr here is either simply cheating (wife likes to do so) or it is raping (she doesn't want it).
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                     In my country the existance of cuckold children has raised a legal discussion. Even the Romans said: (only) the mother is sure. Nevertheless, if the child is born into a family, the male automatically becomes the legal father what means he has to care for it. However, through the modern methods of genetics you can easily say if he is the genetic father or not. This raises a lot of questions: Can the mother refuse an examination of the child's genes? Does the genetic father has to care for his child, i.e. to pay for it? And many others ... I know that this is a bit off topic here but I found the discussion interesting because it is the question of equal rights for men and woman.
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                     The following are excerpts from FHC, who spread the appreciation of NTR among English-speakers in the old Hongfire forums back before they banned file sharing.  I can't post links yet, but you can easily find his summary by Googling "Hongfire netorare fhc" and clicking the first link.
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                     The unique objective of NTR is to play with the "jealous feelings" of the player.
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                     ...since NTR is jealousy and jealousy is a feelings, then, it can change between different persons. No one have the same feelings, no one have the same mind. Then, NTR is something of personal interpretation.
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                     The best thinhg in NTR is the "suspense" the excitement resulting from uncertainty, why happened the NTR ? Why the girl that you love betrayed you ? What will happens next ? How will become the relationship of the girl and the protagonist after the NTR ? the apprehension, the anxiety that you fell while you are playing a NTR game are UNIQUE. NTR games NEVER are boring.
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                     At it's origin, the term interloper referred to a land-based equivalent of a pirate. The word has since evolved and is often used to describe an intruder to an existing relationship.   As with many definitions some words are both noun and verb...
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                     some definitions include multiple perspectives.   For example the modern definition of an interloper, from an outsider's perspective looking at 3 people having sex together, would say that this is not ordinary, and or that one of those individuals did not belong in this situation. While those involved in the threesome might find it acceptable.
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                     Bring morals into this question, some may think it's unacceptable to have threesomes, and that one is an interloper.
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                     Some men might be perfectly happy to share a woman with another man, others might object.   Opinions don't change facts, not even a majority.
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                     Jealousy is one side of the coin, where the weaker feels inferior.  There is also the dom side of Jealousy, where a woman feels more attractive, having multiple suitors.
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                     The trophy wife...  where the man shows off his woman, and feels superior knowing that other men crave her.
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                        Personally, I dont really project myself onto main characters, so it doesnt feel as if *Im* the one being cheated. Best described: Playing these kind of games (to me), feels like watching a low budget kinky-as-fuck porn flick, albeit from "beta male´s" perspective. (And, sometimes, these so called "alpha males" who are doing all sorts of taboo stuff to the protagonists partner, can be hot, in a wierd, bad, "nope", kind of way - they are frequently depicted as muscular, with crooked features. I dig that).
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                        On the other hand, there are some people who actually love the whole "being cheated on in a creative and/or downright disgusting way" shenanigans; I guess its the "taboo" side of depicted situations, that they find appealing. Its  why people like teacher/student relationships, age gaps in general, public sex, etc etc. I dont really find it all that strange.
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                     The projection part is a good point. I think a lot of people like to project themselves as the main character (and I'm not saying this is good or bad, just commenting), especially when the games gives you that choice of having as many partners as you want, and thats probably why they hate/dislike NTR, because its not a fictional character getting cheated, its "your" character. If you're coming from the perspective that you find NTR weird as a fetish (including the real world), OP, then you should consider most of the fetishes these games get those days have this "wow, this is sick!" vibe on them, from fucking your parents and siblings to blackmailing and having unwilling sex with someone else, even humiliation.
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                     No, the answer should definetely be "I just do".
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                     Even your example is just "I just do".
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                     I mean, when person A asked why person B likes cheese, we must assume person A already knows what cheese tastes like. So person B answering "I like it because it's salty" doesn't really help A's conundrum, because they are really wondering 'how could someone ever enjoy something salty, when I don't enjoy salty things'.
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                     A would then rephrase is as "Okay, but why you enjoy salty stuff" and B would answer "I dunno, salty things taste good".
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                     A would either have to take this answer at face value, or ask "Why do you think salty things taste good" at which point B would roll their eyes and walk away.
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                     It is not about 'most people being unable to communicate', it's that there is nothing
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                     Take this very thread. People here know what NTR is. They have seen or played a game or hentai about it.
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                     When they ask "why do people enjoy ntr" they aren't asking others to describe "because in ntr there are women being corrupted and it turns me on", or "because in ntr we see women cheating and it turns me on" or anything like that, since they already know what ntr is.
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                     What they are really asking is "how can someone possibly enjoy something I don't?"
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                     And, as a final proof they weren't really looking for an answer, they answered it themselves. "Of course, because I'm an superior alpha and they are inferior betas"
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                        NTR/Cuckold is the best thing ever. There's nothing more exciting than to watch your woman cumming like a bitch in heat in another man's cock. I love to come home from work just to catch her being plowed by her lover's fat cock on our bed. Having your woman being turned into a complete cheap slut is a dream coming true.
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                     *Goes back to playing their Rape porn / Loli(kiddy) porn / Necrophilia porn(Parasite city, Virus Z, etc) / Mental-physical abuse-torture porn(BDSM) / Bestiality(furry) porn / Incest porn*
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                        I must add that there really, really,
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                     Again on point. This whole alpha-beta dichotomy make me cringe. It reeks of /pol/ Deus Vult alt-righters. I wouldn't be surprised if their next argument is that the Jews created NTR just to wipe out the White race.
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                     There are two sides of that "behind your back" coin. If he's been into that lifestyle for quite some time, whilst always demanding prior consent, it might eventually and mutually, evolve to something like that. I don't see the problem then. There is still an implied consent and it can even be more exciting to get a "surprise story" from your girl once in a while. You trust her enough to know that she won't hide any of her adventures from you and that she's doing it for each other's pleasure, not with the intention of stabbing you in the back.
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                     I see NTR as an umbrella that encompasses any form and intensity of cuckoldry. Whilst I'm not very fond of the extreme parts of it, I know plenty of dudes on r/cuckold who's into that situation I described. They love the most when their women humiliate them and fuck around without their prior awareness.
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                     You may be on to something here....
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                     I've got the title: Kekistan vs the Cucks
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                        Would you feel the same way if she were to do it secretly behind your back?
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                        I can understand swinging and consensual sharing, however NTR/cheating to invoke jealousy is a whole different thing.
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                     A famous women's magazine did a survey of it's readers once.   Afterwards they asked those who had participated in the survey to complete another private survey.  True to their word, the secondary survey was completely anonymous, and therefor those who responded were more comfortable being more open and honest in their answers.
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                     Publicly women would have you believe that "they need more than just visual stimulation, to get them in the mood"
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                     Privately however, over 80% of those women admitted to nearly having an orgasm at the sight of "sweaty muscular men"
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                     The shocking part was how much women think about cheating.  These results went unpublished, as it was not inline with what they wanted their magazine to represent, but the revelation set off a subtle "cheating" theme globally in advertising, and eventually all forms of media.    By the year 2003,  x% of the songs topping the charts were about cheating, some overt, some subtle.
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                     By 2012 even the most conservative television series' lead characters were having affairs.
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                     There was a joke, about how when a man buys his first Corvette, and then the next model comes out and he wants to upgrade a year later,  Or how men constantly want new computers.  I'm not saying that men don't think about cheating, when they see something "better" than what they have, but usually they think twice about it.   Women, on the other hand have a biological imperative to improve the human race by selecting the best mate possible to make a better child.
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                     Fighting against that nature is difficult.
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                     Most western women are materialistic, and would jump at the chance of hooking up with a successful man.
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                     Cheating, is a thing, and 50% of women or more have done it, to some degree.   But in my opinion, NTR / cuckold requires that the parties know about it.    Cuckold is referred to as an intellectual fetish, because of the psychological aspect of it, both positive and negative.    That is missing, if it's simply cheating behind someone's back.
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                     96% of women flirt.   Flirting is innocent in itself.  A woman feels good knowing that she's attractive.   Men are the same, it's what drives us to work-out and stay in shape, so that we are desirable to other women, when the day comes that our cheating slut girlfriends climb the social ladder.     Flirting isn't cheating, and it's even farther from cuckolding.
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                     N.E.E.T. have invented a term "wage-cuck"  to describe people who are slave to a paycheck.   Be it paying off student loans, or ambition that motivates you to go to work everyday..  it's a choice, you willingly subject yourself for a purpose.
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                     Cucks may be tricked into it, but ultimately they make a conscious decision to accept it.   A person cannot be cucked, it's a choice.   If your girlfriend cheats and you say OK honey, you cucked yourself.    If your girlfriend cheats, and you throw her to the curb, you're not a cuck.   If she has a paper that entitles her to your wages for the rest of her life, and that makes you consider cuckery vs throwing her out... it's your choice to make.
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                     flirting cheating cucking are different things.   In games, we play as a witness.  In the game we see our girlfriend doing what girls do at work.  IRL you don't get to see it, but from that 3rd person perspective of the game, even thought it's not known to the MC that the girlfriend is cheating, the player's awareness is transferred and projected onto the MC, making him a willing cuck, at the player's command.     But if you can isolate player feelings from the MC feelings, he doesn't know she cheated, he's not a cuck, she's not cucking, she's just cheating.   If the MC finds out that she cheated later in the game, and he dumps her, then the MC was never a cuck.
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                        N.E.E.T. have invented a term "wage-cuck"  to describe people who are slave to a paycheck.   Be it paying off student loans, or ambition that motivates you to go to work everyday..  it's a choice, you willingly subject yourself for a purpose.
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                     Isn't everybody a wage slave in some form? I mean, it's part of adult life to have obligations. Even the CEO of Google is a wage slave of sorts, probably more than the average Joe because he most probably works insane hours. Also entrepreneurs are not free from obligations, be it from banks, employees or other stakeholders.
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                     In short, I don't understand why this has anything to do with NTR.
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                     The point of cuckoldry, as you pointed out very well yourself, is that the cuck has some sort of choice (however hard) in the matter.
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                     Making that hard choice (or making it by not making a choice) is the attraction of the genre.
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                     The interesting thing about games, adult or otherwise, is that you can make choices that you wouldn't in real life. However without some emotional attachment, such choices quickly lose their appeal in my opinion.
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                     Do you have a source for that? That sounds a bit much, with no physical stimulation what so ever.
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                     That isn't shocking at all. Flip that around, men think about sex and cheating constantly. Some people act on those impulses, some don't.
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                     Men are biologically programmed in exactly the same way. We're programmed to spread our seed across as many mates as possible to ensure our continuation. You see this everywhere in nature.
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                        But in my opinion, NTR / cuckold requires that the parties know about it. Cuckold is referred to as an intellectual fetish, because of the psychological aspect of it, both positive and negative. That is missing, if it's simply cheating behind someone's back.
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                     Netorare by its very definition means all parties know about it, however it also means lack of consent by the partner. The lack of consent is the aspect I cannot understand the appeal of at all. Netorare's translation into English is "taken away by sleeping with".
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                     Netorare = Partner knows, but doesn't consent. The woman may also not consent (ie rape)
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                     AFAIK, it wasn't really a thing until the chans started freaking out and screaming over cucking themselves. Prior to that, it was this weird Japanese fetish genre that is loosely defined.
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                     If we can get a more concise and narrow definition, it would help clear up so many arguments.
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                        A famous women's magazine did a survey of it's readers once.   Afterwards they asked those who had participated in the survey to complete another private survey.  True to their word, the secondary survey was completely anonymous, and therefor those who responded were more comfortable being more open and honest in their answers.
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                        The results were not what the magazine expected of it's readers.
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                        Publicly women would have you believe that "they need more than just visual stimulation, to get them in the mood"
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                        Privately however, over 80% of those women admitted to nearly having an orgasm at the sight of "sweaty muscular men"
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                        The shocking part was how much women think about cheating.  These results went unpublished, as it was not inline with what they wanted their magazine to represent, but the revelation set off a subtle "cheating" theme globally in advertising, and eventually all forms of media.    By the year 2003,  x% of the songs topping the charts were about cheating, some overt, some subtle.
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                        By 2012 even the most conservative television series' lead characters were having affairs.
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                        There was a joke, about how when a man buys his first Corvette, and then the next model comes out and he wants to upgrade a year later,  Or how men constantly want new computers.  I'm not saying that men don't think about cheating, when they see something "better" than what they have, but usually they think twice about it.   Women, on the other hand have a biological imperative to improve the human race by selecting the best mate possible to make a better child.
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                        Fighting against that nature is difficult.
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                        Most western women are materialistic, and would jump at the chance of hooking up with a successful man.
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                        Cheating, is a thing, and 50% of women or more have done it, to some degree.   But in my opinion, NTR / cuckold requires that the parties know about it.    Cuckold is referred to as an intellectual fetish, because of the psychological aspect of it, both positive and negative.    That is missing, if it's simply cheating behind someone's back.
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                        96% of women flirt.   Flirting is innocent in itself.  A woman feels good knowing that she's attractive.   Men are the same, it's what drives us to work-out and stay in shape, so that we are desirable to other women, when the day comes that our cheating slut girlfriends climb the social ladder.     Flirting isn't cheating, and it's even farther from cuckolding.
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                        N.E.E.T. have invented a term "wage-cuck"  to describe people who are slave to a paycheck.   Be it paying off student loans, or ambition that motivates you to go to work everyday..  it's a choice, you willingly subject yourself for a purpose.
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                        Cucks may be tricked into it, but ultimately they make a conscious decision to accept it.   A person cannot be cucked, it's a choice.   If your girlfriend cheats and you say OK honey, you cucked yourself.    If your girlfriend cheats, and you throw her to the curb, you're not a cuck.   If she has a paper that entitles her to your wages for the rest of her life, and that makes you consider cuckery vs throwing her out... it's your choice to make.
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                        flirting cheating cucking are different things.   In games, we play as a witness.  In the game we see our girlfriend doing what girls do at work.  IRL you don't get to see it, but from that 3rd person perspective of the game, even thought it's not known to the MC that the girlfriend is cheating, the player's awareness is transferred and projected onto the MC, making him a willing cuck, at the player's command.     But if you can isolate player feelings from the MC feelings, he doesn't know she cheated, he's not a cuck, she's not cucking, she's just cheating.   If the MC finds out that she cheated later in the game, and he dumps her, then the MC was never a cuck.
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                     This is the second time in the last couple of days here that someone writes a novel about how evil women are, because they cheat and think of cheating, completely ignoring that men are just as bad.
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                     is 100% right. If women are biologically programmed to search for the best supporter for their children, then men are biologically programmed to impregnate as many women as possible to spread their DNA. Does that mean every man cheats? Of course not, luckily humans are more complex. We can, for example, choose to not cheat because we love our partner, even when we are tempted. It's the same with this alpha/beta/omega bs everyone here talks about. Hearing about something in a movie doesn't make one an expert.
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                        Isn't everybody a wage slave in some form? I mean, it's part of adult life to have obligations. Even the CEO of Google is a wage slave of sorts, probably more than the average Joe because he most probably works insane hours. Also entrepreneurs are not free from obligations, be it from banks, employees or other stakeholders.
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                        In short, I don't understand why this has anything to do with NTR.
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                        The point of cuckoldry, as you pointed out very well yourself, is that the cuck has some sort of choice (however hard) in the matter.
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                        Making that hard choice (or making it by not making a choice) is the attraction of the genre.
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                        The interesting thing about games, adult or otherwise, is that you can make choices that you wouldn't in real life. However without some emotional attachment, such choices quickly lose their appeal in my opinion.
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                     N.E.E.T.  have removed themselves from society, and therefor theirs is an objective outsider's perspective.
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                     If you live in society, the day to day happenings around you may seem ordinary, rather than being forced.  Taxes for example... everyone pays them.  As a taxpayer (victim of taxation) it is you duty to hate people who avoid paying taxes.
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                     Your parents did it, and their parents before them.   You may not even think taxes are too high, even though you know politicians are living like royalty off those tax dollars.
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                     You might even think it's normal for your mother and girlfriend to work. Your grandfather, and father worked hard, so you might think it's normal to get some small compensation in return for your labor.   How else would you feed yourself?
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                     Certainly anyone who has an organic garden in their yard and feeds themselves fresh healthy fruits and vegetables, is un-American.  They should buy their food at the supermarket/fast food like everyone else.    Throw in some implication that they must be growing some other herbs, or something, because why would anyone want to grow their own food that they could just buy in a can.   Charge them taxes, take their land so they can't grow anything, and force them into submission, then they will have to get jobs to eat like everyone else, because that's what normal is.
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                     Being part of society means following rules, sacrificing, and of course paying people to tell you what to do.
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                     We all agree about the role of males, that hasn't changed in thousands of years.
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                     What has changed is women's roles.   Since women acquired the right to vote, they have split into hundreds of small groups fighting among themselves to define a new role of what it means to be a woman.  Unfortunately a few generations will suffer until they find themselves.
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                     Young girls are pulled in different directions, and told conflicting information by rival woman factions.  Being part of undefined society with unclear rules, is even harder.
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                        I've got the title: Kekistan vs the Cucks
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                        Playable characters: Trump, Sargon of Akkad, Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos. :test:
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                        As men, it is our duty to protect innocent girls who are being victimized by crazy woman. Feminists who insist that they must act a certain way, and that they should hate all men, need to be stopped.
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                        Cuckold is our weapon in this war against feminism.    We single out the strongest of a group, and render her powerless by convincing her to give-in to her primal desires. Show her that she is not superior, by allowing her to indulge in the sins of the flesh... that she is no more than an animal. Weak and dependent on huge cocks in all her holes.
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                     So you "protect" innocent girls how?
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                     If you show the innocent girls movies of some feminist getting off with a BBC (or two) while Average Joe Taxpayer sits on a chair in the corner watching.... I'm not sure how that would work out.
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                     I'd rather not try it IRL...
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                     I'm not sure if it counts as NTR or cuckolding, but there is apparently also a fetish of watching your daughter get it on with some BBC...
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