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                     I'm making a mom-son incest themed game. The models are pretty much done although I might add some more characters depending on the story.
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                     The game will pretty much revolve around the slowly developing intimate relations between the mother and her son. There can be a few more characters to diversify the storyline, just a mother and son living in the same house might not be much of a challenge or give enough room to add the depth to the story, but if the storywriter can make it work that way, It would be alright.
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                     It's going to be a dialogue based game like with stats, relationship levels, items, etc so they can come useful in the storyline.
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                     Hey.
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                     Good for you. Self awareness is a quality gone extinct these days, so it always sort of pokes its perverted little head out, trying to catch a fresh breath of something else along the way, just so it keeps its bruised, puny heart beating for as long as it can. It sounds dangerously like a living thing because it is one of the most organic, morph-susceptable states of mind out there. One moment you can have it, and then...paraphrasing H. Ledger's Joker, "Ta da! It's...it's gone!"
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                     Alright, moving on to more relevant, palpable matters, it's really not that big of an undertaking. It surely looks like it because of all the failed little brothers that we keep seeing around, in this incest-lite direction these so called "games" have taken, but by no means is it something impossible. It's difficult because people make it difficult. The best things in life are simple, yet people are ashamed of that primal state of just...enjoying and accepting their natural place, and in turn, twist those things to appear more complicated than they are.
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                     Calling back to another post of mine, on a similar topic - good writing is hard. Especially for most of these developers, who slobber over their Cap'n Crunch bowls while thinking of ways to figure out how to blue ball people to stuff money into their patreons, proud of the monthly (if that), sad excuses of "content updates" they barely manage to squeeze out of their blemished little butt cheeks.
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                     You see, with "games" like these, with such contexts, they ought to be built on a solid foundation. Sexual tension and build up are the bricks of the incest house. As I'm sure most of us have witnessed, most crumble after the deed is done. Can't even say crumble, as most just fucking end. The sex being the final act, however long or short the time you invested in getting there was, is just the disappointing symptom of the lack of narrative. It ends up feeling weightless and artificial because it is.
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                     So, what, young son wants to fuck hot mom (who, in most cases, looks like a 20 year old; talk about immersion), mom resists slightly at first, and after twenty fucking "updates", she lets him fuck her, and the game ends. Ugh. That's so shallow my balls scrape the reef at the bottom of the fucking sea. And yet, this what sells, mostly.
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                     It's cuz of it sort of-kind of-but not really- touches people's kinks. It's a tingle. Tingles are good. In numbers, organized and paced correctly. But these sad cases offer just one. And that single tingle is enough to jolt the surface of their kink enough for them to reach for their wallets. Porn is much like fishing. But from time to time, maybe the audience ought to open their eyes and realize they're not actually the ones holding the rod.
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                     Don't get me wrong, teasing is good shit. I enjoy it as much as the next guy. Well, not really, because I only do when it's done correctly, but there's a good, definitive difference between teasing and baiting, y'know?
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                     Tapping back into the context thing from earlier, that's what makes a decent game. Plausibility. Believability.
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                     When you're into a situation, if the slightest thought of "this shit's ridiculous" enters your mind, it breaks immersion, taking you out of the experience. And that fucking sucks. Thinking. Cock killer. Once you start thinking, attraction fades away, and your carnal instincts log off.
                     <br/>
                     If your porn, whatever it may be; movie, video, scene, comic, visual novel, game, book; gives you a window to actually think about it, even for a small window, it failed. Why? Because the narratives weren't fully there to begin with. You watch a 20 minute video like this: you watch the beginning for half a minute, to lick what little context of the video there is, then you start skipping through it, to find a couple scenes your dick jolts at, then you jerk it, and that's it.
                     <br/>
                     No one cares about the "story" because there isn't any. With it being a visual medium, you can't even make the excuse of filling in the blanks with your imagination. It simply isn't there.
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                     With these pseudo games, it feels like there's more story to them because you're controlling the character and it brings you under the illusion of involvement. It's a great thing, for videogames (not just adult ones), that they can turn the viewer into an active participant rather than a passive witness (movies, videos). But sadly, that's where the magic ends. That's the extent of the control you're given. And the, what's next? Oh, yeah, you have to grind for thirty goddamn minutes, doing unrelated, uninvolving "RPG-like" activities, to get your reward, which usually, is a tit. Like dangling meat in front of the hairy mutt of a dog, we're mesmerized by the need to see more than a tit, and twenty updates later, we see the second breast. Yoo-fucking-hoo, am I right?
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                     -shakes head in disappointment-
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                     I just...hate to see wasted potential, y'know? It's such a tragedy, man. It is.
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                     Now, you said  "a dialogue based game like with stats, relationship levels, items, etc so they can come useful in the storyline." That's fine, as long as you don't do what I wrote about up above. If you don't do that, you're already one step beyond most everyone else.
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                     Now, depending on what you've played through, wrote yourself, watched, or read about the incestual medium, you're probably going to have your own perspective on what you deem feels "just right", in terms of narrative, so figure out exactly what that is, and try and see why that is.
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                     I'll give you an example. Like I said above, usually, the boy fucks the milf, and the game ends. Sometimes it ain't even that clear they're related at all. All the focus is turned to the gameplay grind, and the fuck itself, that there's nothing else to hold up or to contextualize the dynamic.
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                     Say you go out, and seduce yourself a woman, or a man, or whatever fucking attack helicopters people sexually identify with nowadays. You go wherever, you fuck her, and then you give her money for a cab. You've satiated your carnal need, and off she goes. Although, in this case, "she" is too much of a description. It is much more fitting. I mean, that's what it was. You didn't give it any chance to be something else, or something more. It was just some meat you felt attracted to, in which you put your cock in. That's fucking. Fucking isn't bad. It's alright. In some cases, women will even tenderly whisper in your ear as they bite on it "Fuck me. Hard." And that's good. You should do that. It's healthy.
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                     But, you see, sexuality and biology is more than that.
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                     "Everything in the world is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power."
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                     In no particular order, there's a few dynamics at play here.
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                     There's fucking. You fuck her, or she fucks you.
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                     There's sex. That's better. That's like a team, or the gears of a mechanism, trying to spin around in the same direction for optimal efficiency.
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                     There's the ever so romantic "love making". That's sex plus emotional context. But there's something wrong with that. It feels...artificial. Constructed. Defined. By us. By people. It feels unnatural because we're trying to make it unnatural, either less than, or usually, more than. People are so obsessed with beating nature at its own game, and spending their lives priding themselves on being more than animals, they drown that sexy fucking feeling of self awareness at the top of these paragraphs I spoke about, they push it down, until it turns into something else. Until they forget that, at the end of the day, the things that truly make people happy are the things that made us happy thousands of years ago. The things that make a man happy are no different than what makes the lion happy (wonder why we gave him a moniker such as "the king"). Or a bison. Or a tiger. Same for women.
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                     Everyone's running away from their animalistic nature so much they forget about it. But, at the end of the day, when the sun goes down, and it's just you, and someone else in a dark room, what do you feel? Barred of social constructs, romanicized descriptions, or colorful words, you feel...natural. Well, feel that. Revel in it. You don't have to ask for permission to feel that way, because you are that way. There's a female and a male in that dark room, and they want to do what nature engaged them to do. They want to mate.
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                     That's a word. Mate. When's the last time you heard that? Certainly wasn't yesterday. It's surely not mentioned on the news. It's written on people's shirts, and it definitely doesn't go around people's lips in whatever venues people meet in nowadays to uh..."socialize".
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                     We've excluded it so much from our lives, our vocabularies, that the mention of it makes us queezy. But not bad queezy. No. Makes us wonder. Why don't we use it more often. It so perfectly describes one, if not the favorite thing that we do. We stopped using it so much that know it sort of has a forbidden-like quality about it. And as animals, the dark sure as fuck entices us.
                     <br/>
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                     So, it just a word. First it was "making love". It felt wodden. It felt safe. Then, it was "mate". It felt natural. Organic. Right. That's the difference. That's what narrative is. Context. Sexy, I know.
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                     This what you need to do. Just like you colored your artwork -- which, props where props are due; for once, the mother actually looks like an adult female. I'd give her some pubic hair, though. Not much. Just enough that when you look at her, you don't see a 12 year old girl (I'm sure there's games for that, too.) -- Color the narrative, as well. Color them, y'know?
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                     She's a single mom. Why? Where's the husband? Is there any? What's their relationship? Before a mother, she's a woman. What kind of woman? Is she confident in her life? Is she satisfied with it? Maybe. Or maybe not.
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                     What about the boy? You've drawn him pretty young. What's he like? Does he like his father? Does he not? What's his interests? He can't possibly be a dick with two legs. Sure, that's one of main driving forces behind a growing boy, but it ain't the only one. Define him more than just "I wanna fuck my mom". On top of that, what's the relationship with his mom? Does he like her? Does he dislike her? Why does he want to fuck her? Better yet, does he want to fuck her, or does he want to have sex with her. Or does he want something more than that?
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                     A sex scene is easy to write. It's what's around it that gives it quality and authenticity. Especially in a context like this.
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                     Remember that.
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                     I want a game where m/s are stranded on an Island. Depending upon the game, son  has to provide for them (food, shelter). Can train to gain strength  to fight against animals, build traps. Story can have any amount of twists as possible as they could not be alone on the Island etc.
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                     I could help, but I can't just write the script. I can work with your ideas and add stuff to fill in the body.
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                        You could attempt to find a writer at the lemmasoft forums (recruitment section). They may have what you're looking for.
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                     Thanks man. I'll check it out.
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                        I like the art. It's certainly something new and refreshing compared to all those daz3d, 3dsexvilla and sims3 models.
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                        Just one question: Where's her pussy?
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                     Glad you like the art
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                     Thats kind of an old model so I didn't put that detail there.
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                        Hey.
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                        Good for you. Self awareness is a quality gone extinct these days, so it always sort of pokes its perverted little head out, trying to catch a fresh breath of something else along the way, just so it keeps its bruised, puny heart beating for as long as it can. It sounds dangerously like a living thing because it is one of the most organic, morph-susceptable states of mind out there. One moment you can have it, and then...paraphrasing H. Ledger's Joker, "Ta da! It's...it's gone!"
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                        Alright, moving on to more relevant, palpable matters, it's really not that big of an undertaking. It surely looks like it because of all the failed little brothers that we keep seeing around, in this incest-lite direction these so called "games" have taken, but by no means is it something impossible. It's difficult because people make it difficult. The best things in life are simple, yet people are ashamed of that primal state of just...enjoying and accepting their natural place, and in turn, twist those things to appear more complicated than they are.
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                        Calling back to another post of mine, on a similar topic - good writing is hard. Especially for most of these developers, who slobber over their Cap'n Crunch bowls while thinking of ways to figure out how to blue ball people to stuff money into their patreons, proud of the monthly (if that), sad excuses of "content updates" they barely manage to squeeze out of their blemished little butt cheeks.
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                        You see, with "games" like these, with such contexts, they ought to be built on a solid foundation. Sexual tension and build up are the bricks of the incest house. As I'm sure most of us have witnessed, most crumble after the deed is done. Can't even say crumble, as most just fucking end. The sex being the final act, however long or short the time you invested in getting there was, is just the disappointing symptom of the lack of narrative. It ends up feeling weightless and artificial because it is.
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                        So, what, young son wants to fuck hot mom (who, in most cases, looks like a 20 year old; talk about immersion), mom resists slightly at first, and after twenty fucking "updates", she lets him fuck her, and the game ends. Ugh. That's so shallow my balls scrape the reef at the bottom of the fucking sea. And yet, this what sells, mostly.
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                        It's cuz of it sort of-kind of-but not really- touches people's kinks. It's a tingle. Tingles are good. In numbers, organized and paced correctly. But these sad cases offer just one. And that single tingle is enough to jolt the surface of their kink enough for them to reach for their wallets. Porn is much like fishing. But from time to time, maybe the audience ought to open their eyes and realize they're not actually the ones holding the rod.
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                        Don't get me wrong, teasing is good shit. I enjoy it as much as the next guy. Well, not really, because I only do when it's done correctly, but there's a good, definitive difference between teasing and baiting, y'know?
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                        Tapping back into the context thing from earlier, that's what makes a decent game. Plausibility. Believability.
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                        When you're into a situation, if the slightest thought of "this shit's ridiculous" enters your mind, it breaks immersion, taking you out of the experience. And that fucking sucks. Thinking. Cock killer. Once you start thinking, attraction fades away, and your carnal instincts log off.
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                        If your porn, whatever it may be; movie, video, scene, comic, visual novel, game, book; gives you a window to actually think about it, even for a small window, it failed. Why? Because the narratives weren't fully there to begin with. You watch a 20 minute video like this: you watch the beginning for half a minute, to lick what little context of the video there is, then you start skipping through it, to find a couple scenes your dick jolts at, then you jerk it, and that's it.
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                        No one cares about the "story" because there isn't any. With it being a visual medium, you can't even make the excuse of filling in the blanks with your imagination. It simply isn't there.
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                        With these pseudo games, it feels like there's more story to them because you're controlling the character and it brings you under the illusion of involvement. It's a great thing, for videogames (not just adult ones), that they can turn the viewer into an active participant rather than a passive witness (movies, videos). But sadly, that's where the magic ends. That's the extent of the control you're given. And the, what's next? Oh, yeah, you have to grind for thirty goddamn minutes, doing unrelated, uninvolving "RPG-like" activities, to get your reward, which usually, is a tit. Like dangling meat in front of the hairy mutt of a dog, we're mesmerized by the need to see more than a tit, and twenty updates later, we see the second breast. Yoo-fucking-hoo, am I right?
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                        -shakes head in disappointment-
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                        I just...hate to see wasted potential, y'know? It's such a tragedy, man. It is.
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                        Now, you said  "a dialogue based game like with stats, relationship levels, items, etc so they can come useful in the storyline." That's fine, as long as you don't do what I wrote about up above. If you don't do that, you're already one step beyond most everyone else.
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                        Now, depending on what you've played through, wrote yourself, watched, or read about the incestual medium, you're probably going to have your own perspective on what you deem feels "just right", in terms of narrative, so figure out exactly what that is, and try and see why that is.
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                        I'll give you an example. Like I said above, usually, the boy fucks the milf, and the game ends. Sometimes it ain't even that clear they're related at all. All the focus is turned to the gameplay grind, and the fuck itself, that there's nothing else to hold up or to contextualize the dynamic.
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                        Say you go out, and seduce yourself a woman, or a man, or whatever fucking attack helicopters people sexually identify with nowadays. You go wherever, you fuck her, and then you give her money for a cab. You've satiated your carnal need, and off she goes. Although, in this case, "she" is too much of a description. It is much more fitting. I mean, that's what it was. You didn't give it any chance to be something else, or something more. It was just some meat you felt attracted to, in which you put your cock in. That's fucking. Fucking isn't bad. It's alright. In some cases, women will even tenderly whisper in your ear as they bite on it "Fuck me. Hard." And that's good. You should do that. It's healthy.
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                        But, you see, sexuality and biology is more than that.
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                        "Everything in the world is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power."
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                        In no particular order, there's a few dynamics at play here.
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                        There's fucking. You fuck her, or she fucks you.
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                        There's sex. That's better. That's like a team, or the gears of a mechanism, trying to spin around in the same direction for optimal efficiency.
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                        There's the ever so romantic "love making". That's sex plus emotional context. But there's something wrong with that. It feels...artificial. Constructed. Defined. By us. By people. It feels unnatural because we're trying to make it unnatural, either less than, or usually, more than. People are so obsessed with beating nature at its own game, and spending their lives priding themselves on being more than animals, they drown that sexy fucking feeling of self awareness at the top of these paragraphs I spoke about, they push it down, until it turns into something else. Until they forget that, at the end of the day, the things that truly make people happy are the things that made us happy thousands of years ago. The things that make a man happy are no different than what makes the lion happy (wonder why we gave him a moniker such as "the king"). Or a bison. Or a tiger. Same for women.
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                        Everyone's running away from their animalistic nature so much they forget about it. But, at the end of the day, when the sun goes down, and it's just you, and someone else in a dark room, what do you feel? Barred of social constructs, romanicized descriptions, or colorful words, you feel...natural. Well, feel that. Revel in it. You don't have to ask for permission to feel that way, because you are that way. There's a female and a male in that dark room, and they want to do what nature engaged them to do. They want to mate.
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                        That's a word. Mate. When's the last time you heard that? Certainly wasn't yesterday. It's surely not mentioned on the news. It's written on people's shirts, and it definitely doesn't go around people's lips in whatever venues people meet in nowadays to uh..."socialize".
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                        We've excluded it so much from our lives, our vocabularies, that the mention of it makes us queezy. But not bad queezy. No. Makes us wonder. Why don't we use it more often. It so perfectly describes one, if not the favorite thing that we do. We stopped using it so much that know it sort of has a forbidden-like quality about it. And as animals, the dark sure as fuck entices us.
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                        So, it just a word. First it was "making love". It felt wodden. It felt safe. Then, it was "mate". It felt natural. Organic. Right. That's the difference. That's what narrative is. Context. Sexy, I know.
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                        This what you need to do. Just like you colored your artwork -- which, props where props are due; for once, the mother actually looks like an adult female. I'd give her some pubic hair, though. Not much. Just enough that when you look at her, you don't see a 12 year old girl (I'm sure there's games for that, too.) -- Color the narrative, as well. Color them, y'know?
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                        She's a single mom. Why? Where's the husband? Is there any? What's their relationship? Before a mother, she's a woman. What kind of woman? Is she confident in her life? Is she satisfied with it? Maybe. Or maybe not.
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                        What about the boy? You've drawn him pretty young. What's he like? Does he like his father? Does he not? What's his interests? He can't possibly be a dick with two legs. Sure, that's one of main driving forces behind a growing boy, but it ain't the only one. Define him more than just "I wanna fuck my mom". On top of that, what's the relationship with his mom? Does he like her? Does he dislike her? Why does he want to fuck her? Better yet, does he want to fuck her, or does he want to have sex with her. Or does he want something more than that?
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                        A sex scene is easy to write. It's what's around it that gives it quality and authenticity. Especially in a context like this.
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                     Well it's definitely not going to feel like a meaningless sex with a stranger. I want to bring in a solid story about their relationship and how they get more intimate with each other over time. Although I must say I'm in a dilemma. From what I can tell, most people who play any erotic RPG game(not necessarily incest ones) don't want to bother about the story at all. They go on a clicking rampage until all the dialogue is skipped and they finally reach at a sex scene. Taking that route will have to cut the gameplay time quite a lot so people don't drown in the story. On the other hand, the people who play it for the story would expect an original believeable story and not a cliche one. Would be great if the storywriter can handle something like that but the downside is that there would be lots of people complaining about the story being way too long and sex scenes being too short. That's the main problem I observed from reading the comments of games like Big Brother and Dreams of Desire. Personally I read the dialogues and try to figure out what's going on in their lives, which makes the sex scenes much more enjoyable, since you know how those characters got to that situation and how they feel at that moment.
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                     Right now it's entirely up to the storywriter and how he/she handles things. I'll make sure to avoid cliche things and try to bring an enjoyable narrative for everyone.
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                        I want a game where m/s are stranded on an Island. Depending upon the game, son  have to provide for them (food, shelter). Can train to gain strength  to fight against animals, build traps. Story can have any amount of twists as possible as they could not be alone on the Island etc.
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                        Nice models btw, you can read on literotica if you want some wisdom regarding the story because they have many.
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                        I could help, but I can't just write the script. I can work with your ideas and add stuff to fill in the body.
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                        I think the setting is the first step as developing floor plans will be critical. Definitely not a house, but maybe a townhouse style condo, this will allow for more accidental discovery and potential interaction with neighbors.
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                        While school is essential (unless it starts in a vacation period, which would give you time to beat out the story with less locations).
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                        You have to set the limits of content genres/fetishes. MS is established, but blackmail, exhibitionism, voyeurism...the list goes on. A curious neighbor girl infatuated with the son, maybe. His guy friends infatuated with mom...thin walls, tree fort with view of bedroom...
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                     It definitely doesn't need to start from a typical house. I'll do all the modelling and visuals so the story can even take place in outer space if necessary. I honestly have no idea about out the genre at the moment, although exhibitionism and voyeurism seem like popular ones. I'll like other characters to be side elements to the story rather than turning into main characters so if there would be a say 'neighbour girl', she would be there to influence the mom-son relationship rather than steal the spotlight and make it about her and the son.
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                     I've also had the idea about making the game as episodes rather than updates or versions, where the story is divided into like 10 chapters, each one shows how the mom and son are progressing in their relationship. There could be cliff hangers, twists, it could run like a tv series, might be cool. I'm still juggling through ideas.
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                        Thanks man. I'll check it out.
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                        Well it's definitely not going to feel like a meaningless sex with a stranger. I want to bring in a solid story about their relationship and how they get more intimate with each other over time. Although I must say I'm in a dilemma. From what I can tell, most people who play any erotic RPG game(not necessarily incest ones) don't want to bother about the story at all. They go on a clicking rampage until all the dialogue is skipped and they finally reach at a sex scene. Taking that route will have to cut the gameplay time quite a lot so people don't drown in the story. On the other hand, the people who play it for the story would expect an original believeable story and not a cliche one. Would be great if the storywriter can handle something like that but the downside is that there would be lots of people complaining about the story being way too long and sex scenes being too short. That's the main problem I observed from reading the comments of games like Big Brother and Dreams of Desire. Personally I read the dialogues and try to figure out what's going on in their lives, which makes the sex scenes much more enjoyable, since you know how those characters got to that situation and how they feel at that moment.
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                        Right now it's entirely up to the storywriter and how he/she handles things. I'll make sure to avoid cliche things and try to bring an enjoyable narrative for everyone.
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                        I've also had the idea about making the game as episodes rather than updates or versions, where the story is divided into like 10 chapters, each one shows how the mom and son are progressing in their relationship. There could be cliff hangers, twists, it could run like a tv show, it might be cool. I'm still juggling through ideas.
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                     Well, start with the outline: beginning, Middle, End. If you figure out the chapter issue, then each has sub versions of the construct.
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                     I think the neighbor would be big brother and sister, thus enough to add incest secondary in at least one chapter. And independent involvement in at least two others (one for each of them).
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                     Outer space?? Hmm... that can give a lot of credence and immersion to the story. And space naturally limits environment so there's fewer renders. Say they were on the way to colonize a planet and a glitch in the life support system caused most of the colonists to pass away leaving the few that took refuge in the greenhouse while the few survivors outside that remembered to grab oxygen equipment managed to fix the problem. Now the ship needs to be repopulated and options are limited..
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                        Although I must say I'm in a dilemma. From what I can tell, most people who play any erotic RPG game(not necessarily incest ones) don't want to bother about the story at all. They go on a clicking rampage until all the dialogue is skipped and they finally reach at a sex scene. Taking that route will have to cut the gameplay time quite a lot so people don't drown in the story. On the other hand, the people who play it for the story would expect an original believeable story and not a cliche one.
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                     The clicking ramapage you speak of is merely a rigid symptom, not a cause. It happens because that's how these half assed games have conditioned people to think, and react. It's a vacuum of expectations that you need to figure out.
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                        I'll make sure to avoid cliche things and try to bring an enjoyable
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                     No. Don't do that. It never works well. Why? It's simple. No, really, this is what it is. The simplicity.
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                     Time and time again we've been proven by writers better than I or you that juggling too many things at once is self damaging not only to you, but to the product, the customers, and more importantly the potential set by the preliminary quality of the beginning of the work.
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                     Here's food for thought. Lost. The show. You've heard of it. Must've. The first episode of it is one of the most popular things around, still, after all these years, simply because it set such a good example for the initial potential of a work.
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                     The show's writers themselves have said, on multiple occasions, they weren't really expecting the audience to get as hooked as they did, but they did nonetheless. They also didn't really have much of a plan going forward, which showed, unfortunately. A lot.
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                     The reason why it was and still is so succesful is that even though the plot and the story aspects of it eventually read like an epileptic monkey's debut into 1950s Hollywood-land, the characters carried whatever excuses of a narrative there was on their poor backs. And that's cuz people invested so much of their time into understanding these people, that they became like a friend, or like family. Spending time with time was no longer an obligation, or an activity, but a habit. The show evolved, or better said, devolved, in less about stuff about the island itself, which was the initial hook of the plot (and what a hook it was), and more and more about the people there, and their lives.
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                     They initial mystery was so well received because it was simple. Once the writers started adding and adding bullshit to it, it expanded, and became difficult to handle, and of course, it showed. So, they abandoned it altogether and came up with character-driven explanations.
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                     Here's another one for ya. There's this series of videogames, the Souls series.
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                     The first one of them all was Demon's Souls. It was an in depth, choppy, heavyset, obscure japanese RPG.
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                     Good fucking game.
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                     It wasn't that succesful, financially. But the developers didn't care about that. In their eyes, it was so, so succesful, in reaching their
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                     The people they made the game for in the first place. They didn't make it for everyone. No. They had a group in mind, and they stuck to it.
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                     Later, the game seeped its black tentacles overseas, and slowly but surely, reached even more people. Still not everyone, but the people that mattered.
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                     Years later, the a refined, more streamlined yet still similar sequel came about, and it blew up. Dark Souls. It's one of those games that touches people in a lot of different ways. It's done a lot both for people, individually, and for the industry, as a whole. It is, undoubtedly, a modern masterpiece in the visual medium. It's flawed. Sometimes it's unfinished. But the highs it reaches elevate the quality of the work immensely.
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                     However, with its popularity, came its downfall. The audience, and their wallets influenced much of the series' future.
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                     . And guess what. They're fine. They're decent games. Yet they pale in comparison to what the series once stood for. And that was an experienced tailored to be selective. It wasn't made for everyone. It was made for you. Maybe not you, specifically, but some of you. Some of you out there. And it knew that.
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                        I honestly have no idea about out the genre at the moment, although exhibitionism and voyeurism seem like popular ones.
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                     Anyway, bouncing off the rather long winded alegory up above, again, figure out who you're making the game for, y'know. What your goals are, financial or otherwise, and what you want. A fetish is an odd thing. Again, because it has that organic quality to it, and one day it can mean this, and tomorrow it can mean that. Whatever kinks you want to explore, try and be consistent about it. What I mean is, sure, it's nice to play a game or watch a video and catch a glimpse of your personal, particular kink. But that's it. It's only a glimpse. Because that's what the creators intended. To pander to everyone. So, in their ten minute video, you'll have all sorts of shit, that if you think about, you start asking questions, in the middle of your jerk. That's not good.
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                     Whatever you choose, don't streamline it. Don't be a dick about it. Choose a few fetishes, and stick with those.
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                     Explore what those bring, what they mean for the characters, and by extension, your players (your audience).
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                     Say, you included a short, couple sentenced scene in which somebody hits on the mother, with the boy present.
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                     In a game like this, that's inferred cuckoldry. Whether you want to do that or not, that's on you. But don't just have a short scene specifically to pander the people that enjoy that. Either craft that into a fully fledged fetish, explore through out the game, or don't include it in the first place.
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                     Otherwise, when all's said and done, your story will crumble, because it wasn't constructed properly.
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                        I'll like other characters to be side elements to the story rather than turning into main characters so if there would be a say 'neighbour girl', she would be there to influence the mom-son relationship rather than steal the spotlight and make it about her and the son.
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                     Good. Always keep the focus on the main set of characters.
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                     Story and nuance is good. But this ain't a fucking novel.
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                     Side character ought to drive the main conflict, not be the main conflict.
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                        I've also had the idea about making the game as episodes rather than updates or versions, where the story is divided into like 10 chapters, each one shows how the mom and son are progressing in their relationship
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                     Thumbs up. The 000.000.1 bullshit is childish.
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                        I have considered making a game myself but it turned out the other way around for me... I had an idea for a complex story but I have no experience in coding and artwork... If you are interested I could pitch the idea and, if you like it, we can continue from there.
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                     Take a look at this person, and at everyone else.
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                     You want and need writing for your thing. Do you want just one writer? Or more? Figure that out. In some cases, an idea, bounced off of two heads instead of one can bring out better and more colorful things than just by having the one writer, alone, in a room, doing whatever the fuck, unchecked by anyone.
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                        I'm making a mom-son incest themed game. The models are pretty much done although I might add some more characters depending on the story.
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                        I don't have any experience with writing stories and I want to avoid cliche or unrealistic stories as well as cheesy characters, so it's best if it's done by someone with more experience in this field.
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                        The game will pretty much revolve around the slowly developing intimate relations between the mother and her son. There can be a few more characters to diversify the storyline, just a mother and son living in the same house might not be much of a challenge or give enough room to add the depth to the story, but if the storywriter can make it work that way, It would be alright.
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                     This looks great, I would be interested in trying to write some for you if you do not already have someone.
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                        Well, start with the outline: beginning, Middle, End. If you figure out the chapter issue, then each has sub versions of the construct.
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                        I think the neighbor would be big brother and sister, thus enough to add incest secondary in at least one chapter. And independent involvement in at least two others (one for each of them).
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                        I wrote my first play in 1972, I rarely write anymore, but get bored and need short projects. Not concerned with the money issue, just old and bored.
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                     Chapters are looking like a good possibility right now. I'm bouncing off ideas with some storywriters to see how to get it working.
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                        The mom looks pretty hot in her stockings and gloves. Now if they were made of shiny black latex that would be super hot.
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                     There will be some super hot outfits for her
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                        Good, that means she'll eventually have one in the game :test:
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                     Yep she will :&gt;
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                        Outer space?? Hmm... that can give a lot of credence and immersion to the story. And space naturally limits environment so there's fewer renders. Say they were on the way to colonize a planet and a glitch in the life support system caused most of the colonists to pass away leaving the few that took refuge in the greenhouse while the few survivors outside that remembered to grab oxygen equipment managed to fix the problem. Now the ship needs to be repopulated and options are limited..
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                     While we pretty much picked a base for the story, I'm still entertaining other possibilities like outerspace. It would be a pretty original story
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                        The clicking ramapage you speak of is merely a rigid symptom, not a cause. It happens because that's how these half assed games have conditioned people to think, and react. It's a vacuum of expectations that you need to figure out.
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                        No. Don't do that. It never works well. Why? It's simple. No, really, this is what it is. The simplicity.
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                        Time and time again we've been proven by writers better than I or you that juggling too many things at once is self damaging not only to you, but to the product, the customers, and more importantly the potential set by the preliminary quality of the beginning of the work.
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                        Here's food for thought. Lost. The show. You've heard of it. Must've. The first episode of it is one of the most popular things around, still, after all these years, simply because it set such a good example for the initial potential of a work.
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                        The show's writers themselves have said, on multiple occasions, they weren't really expecting the audience to get as hooked as they did, but they did nonetheless. They also didn't really have much of a plan going forward, which showed, unfortunately. A lot.
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                        The reason why it was and still is so succesful is that even though the plot and the story aspects of it eventually read like an epileptic monkey's debut into 1950s Hollywood-land, the characters carried whatever excuses of a narrative there was on their poor backs. And that's cuz people invested so much of their time into understanding these people, that they became like a friend, or like family. Spending time with time was no longer an obligation, or an activity, but a habit. The show evolved, or better said, devolved, in less about stuff about the island itself, which was the initial hook of the plot (and what a hook it was), and more and more about the people there, and their lives.
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                        They initial mystery was so well received because it was simple. Once the writers started adding and adding bullshit to it, it expanded, and became difficult to handle, and of course, it showed. So, they abandoned it altogether and came up with character-driven explanations.
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                        Here's another one for ya. There's this series of videogames, the Souls series.
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                        The first one of them all was Demon's Souls. It was an in depth, choppy, heavyset, obscure japanese RPG.
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                        Good fucking game.
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                        It wasn't that succesful, financially. But the developers didn't care about that. In their eyes, it was so, so succesful, in reaching their
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                        The people they made the game for in the first place. They didn't make it for everyone. No. They had a group in mind, and they stuck to it.
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                        Later, the game seeped its black tentacles overseas, and slowly but surely, reached even more people. Still not everyone, but the people that mattered.
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                        Years later, the a refined, more streamlined yet still similar sequel came about, and it blew up. Dark Souls. It's one of those games that touches people in a lot of different ways. It's done a lot both for people, individually, and for the industry, as a whole. It is, undoubtedly, a modern masterpiece in the visual medium. It's flawed. Sometimes it's unfinished. But the highs it reaches elevate the quality of the work immensely.
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                        However, with its popularity, came its downfall. The audience, and their wallets influenced much of the series' future.
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                        . And guess what. They're fine. They're decent games. Yet they pale in comparison to what the series once stood for. And that was an experienced tailored to be selective. It wasn't made for everyone. It was made for you. Maybe not you, specifically, but some of you. Some of you out there. And it knew that.
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                        Anyway, bouncing off the rather long winded alegory up above, again, figure out who you're making the game for, y'know. What your goals are, financial or otherwise, and what you want. A fetish is an odd thing. Again, because it has that organic quality to it, and one day it can mean this, and tomorrow it can mean that. Whatever kinks you want to explore, try and be consistent about it. What I mean is, sure, it's nice to play a game or watch a video and catch a glimpse of your personal, particular kink. But that's it. It's only a glimpse. Because that's what the creators intended. To pander to everyone. So, in their ten minute video, you'll have all sorts of shit, that if you think about, you start asking questions, in the middle of your jerk. That's not good.
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                        Whatever you choose, don't streamline it. Don't be a dick about it. Choose a few fetishes, and stick with those.
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                        Explore what those bring, what they mean for the characters, and by extension, your players (your audience).
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                        Say, you included a short, couple sentenced scene in which somebody hits on the mother, with the boy present.
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                        In a game like this, that's inferred cuckoldry. Whether you want to do that or not, that's on you. But don't just have a short scene specifically to pander the people that enjoy that. Either craft that into a fully fledged fetish, explore through out the game, or don't include it in the first place.
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                        Otherwise, when all's said and done, your story will crumble, because it wasn't constructed properly.
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                        Good. Always keep the focus on the main set of characters.
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                        Story and nuance is good. But this ain't a fucking novel.
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                        Side character ought to drive the main conflict, not be the main conflict.
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                        Thumbs up. The 000.000.1 bullshit is childish.
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                        Take a look at this person, and at everyone else.
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                        You want and need writing for your thing. Do you want just one writer? Or more? Figure that out. In some cases, an idea, bounced off of two heads instead of one can bring out better and more colorful things than just by having the one writer, alone, in a room, doing whatever the fuck, unchecked by anyone.
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                     Well just to summarize, I think the target audience is the type of people who like the tv series format since it's probably going to be released in chapters, the story and the sex scenes go parallel within the chapter so it doesn't dive deep into the story and leave out the sex or vice versa. And yeah I'm not a big fan of version 0.0.01 thing either.
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                        Dude I'm srsly impressed by you're art style!
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                        1- Set up a patreon!
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                        3- pls put ms incest
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                     Glad you like the art
                     <img alt=":D" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite674" data-shortname=":D" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" title="Big grin    :D"/>
                     I don't wanna go into patreon and lose the connection with the community really. Once you're in patreon people who pay would influence where the game goes. I'll release this on sites like f95, newgrounds, hentai-foundry and twitter, etc... And yeah there will definitely be lots and lots of mom-son fucking
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                        i saw the pic, even if you claim all characters are over 18, the son looks like he is 10, maximum 12 years old
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                     There's no way to test the age of a fictional character with a custom art style really, also he will be going to college so he'll be atleast 18 years old.
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                        This looks great, I would be interested in trying to write some for you if you do not already have someone.
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                     I'm messaging with a few storywriters right now but feel free to chip in with your ideas and suggestions any time
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                     I've lately spent a lot of time thinking about incestuous relationships and I've come to the conclusion, that if you want a game with the core concept of mother-son incest, you should write it from the mothers perspective. In most of these games you have a walking dildo-boy whose cock might as well be a third leg for how small the boy is, and because it is a game he is the active person. But realistically, mother-son incest does not work that way. There is an absolutely huge power disparity between a mother and a son. The mother cannot "seduce" the son because the son is too sexually inexperienced to even understand such avances - And there is no possibility that a son will do anything to the mother that she doesn't approve of. In short, MS genre is almost necessarily abuse. This one-sided nature is sometimes played quite transparently by MS incest games, who revolve around exploration and breaking of taboos, which are exciting things to play with certainly, but because of their nature with the son as the player avatar, action has to be initiated by the son, which invariably ends in hackneyed scenarios designed to end with sex. Plain Magic, Mind control, magic pills, or equally absurd blackmail scenarios come to mind. This is why people just fast forward through this dreck, because by reading such "storylines", your brain cells commit seppuku en masse.
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                     Real MS (or MD / FD / FS) incest cases aren't usually of this nature, they are often of the "family fun" or the "be nice to mommy" variety, where the taboo is simply not brought up until long after everyone is fucking everyone. You watch a movie together, get a blowjob, stroke moms pussy. It may have started when the kid was 7 years old, or literally at birth. These are likely the majority of IRL MS incest cases, various grades of hippie style nudists who think giving your son a blowjob or even pussy as reward for good grades, as an "OK and natural" thing to do. Somewhere in the teens the kids realize that basically they're being raped they can be angry at the parents and may or may not bring them to justice, (usually not) or just can't see the harm and continue doing it even to old age, because it feels good. But there's no game to be made here, unless you want your MS incest game start in the maternity ward where you play the mother and suck sonnies dick and cheer when it gets hard. There's no challenge, no excitement to be had here.
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                     So the MS genre as we know it revolves around the taboo and the breaking thereof, that is a sexually maturing son and a lonely mother who now all of a sudden takes a sexual interest in him and vice versa. If you play it from the perspective of the son, you will either be a relatively passive observer in a realistic story, or have to contrive said hackneyed scenarios for the son to be the active part. The mother however can actually take an active part without it becoming unbelievable - a son is almost always going to try to make his mother happy in any way possible, and again it would be too easy, if the son were not old enough to know about the taboo. In which case he will become deeply conflicted about his mothers increasingly forward requests, and the abusive nature of the relationship becomes very transparent.
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                     And that's the sort of shit you want to make a game about? Are you sure? If so, I say, embrace it, go with it. Let the game be about a sick fuck of a mother who basically rapes her son and drives him to madness. Beats him into submission. Pimps him to gay men and watches &amp; masturbates as her son is being raped and shat upon in exchange for money. Make it dark, make it vile, do not sugar coat the horrible stuff. Make it a "do abominable stuff simulator" that will churn the stomachs and harden the dicks of even the most cold-hearted perverts.
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                     If you want to write a game about a nice hippie mom that is open to relieving her sons sexual tensions.... I guess you can do that, but it's not going to be very interesting. You can make up for that with nice artwork though.
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                     Thanks for posting, here I was thinking I killed this lively thread by bumming everyone out or something. I did not mean to. I just thought mind control might just be one of these clichés that OP wanted to avoid maybe. But yeah, these clichés plague the M/S genre for reasons mentioned - because the alternative might just be too dark. "Embrace the Darkness" is what I say to that.
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                     According to your posts, I think you already have much of the core for your story:
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                       m/s incest (with lots and lots of fucking);
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                       slowly developing intimate relationship;
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                       dialogue based;
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                       realistic.
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                     From "slowly developing intimate relationship" I assume, you want to show sex with consent, not abuse. If you want your protagonist to have real feelings for each other, then it would be a love story.
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                     "Outer space" as story world is ok, so with "realistic" you mean "reasonable" i think. Outer space is not realistic in our time, but would be in the future.
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                     Most actual known incest cases are abuse or the participants did not know, they were blood related. They met and fell in love without knowing, it is incest. A real love story is very unlikely. But to be fair: if there was a functional and not abusive incest relation, they likely would not tell.
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                     You want to show lots and lots of fucking. So your main plot should not be about the development of the relationship. The sexual tension between the protagonists is what keeps he audience interested in that kind of stories. That's why every soap opera has at least one new love story in pipe line, when another is finished. So there is the very high risk, that with the first sex scene, the climax of your story is exceeded (pun intended). The rest of the story would be unlocking sex scenes.
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                     That's why I think you need another main story, wherein the intimate relationship is naturally developed.
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                     Intimacy begins with being close together (not necessary physically). Let both face a problem together. By solving the problem, they become more intimate naturally.
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                     Some general ideas I came up with while writing this post:
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                       Mother helps son with entrance exam (for drama school, art school, college, NASA, etc.);
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                       Son helps mother to organize an event (birthday, for charity, wedding, ...);
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                       Both face a big threat (war, oppressive political system, broken live support of a space ship, ...);
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                     My personal favorite would be: Mom helps son prepare sons wedding. While preparing the wedding (vows, suit, caterer, ...) the mother discovers her feeling for her son. The son doubts his reasons for marrying his future bride. The father and the bride-to-be are the antagonists. Show the player, why the mother turns away from her husband (cliché: abuse) and the son from his fiancé (cliché: she is a whore). Show what the relationships m/f and son/fiancé lacks and what the relationship m/s has.
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                     As mention by others before: decide who is you MC, who is the active part, who is in focus of the story (mother or son or both?). Give them personality: what drives them, what do they need, what do they want?
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                     Then decide, what should be the end of your story. As you approach a moral question, you could give an answer to that question. The moral conclusion could be "if both like it, let them be" or "incest is bad, you will burn in hell". You want an realistic or reasonable story. So you have to approach this question anyway. Your protagonists have to ask themselves these question to decide, how they will act. If they don't ask these questions, they are likely to be sociopaths or just there to fuck.
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                       your MC and the core characters
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                     you have the core of our story.
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                     Think about scenes, which would make sense on the way from the beginning to the end, how this scenes would further your plot and how the protagonists would react naturally in that situation.
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                     Corrupted is right. You want to make a story driven game, so the story is the core of your entire game. You give up very much control by hiring writers to do this part for you.
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                     Same and even more with a writer or writers:
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                     If you pay a good writer, he will write your story for money. His drive is money, not the enthusiasm for your idea to become real. But good writers are expensive.
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                     If you don't pay the writer, he wants to write his own story.
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                     It is not hard to write a story. It is hard to write a good story. But if you don't expect to have the next "Game of Thrones" or "The Godfather" story for your game, it is possible to write an above average story with help of others by yourself.
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                     And let's be honest: an above average story is in relation to most other incest games a good story.
                     <img alt=":)" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite667" data-shortname=":)" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" title="Smile    :)"/>
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                     All you need is a place, where you could post your story ideas, get honest feedback from people who like playing games and discuss your ideas, improve them and craft your own story.
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                     If such a place just would exist ...
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                        Absolutely adore the art style, but holy hell, if the kid is going to college and barely even reaches the height of the mom's tit, yeah, he needs aged up to either not look like a preteen or the mom has to be some manner of giant. lol  Still, as I said great art and core concept!
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                        The question is, do you have a story to tell and is an RPG the right ludic venue?
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                        I've lately spent a lot of time thinking about incestuous relationships and I've come to the conclusion, that if you want a game with the core concept of mother-son incest, you should write it from the mothers perspective. In most of these games you have a walking dildo-boy whose cock might as well be a third leg for how small the boy is, and because it is a game he is the active person. But realistically, mother-son incest does not work that way. There is an absolutely huge power disparity between a mother and a son. The mother cannot "seduce" the son because the son is too sexually inexperienced to even understand such avances - And there is no possibility that a son will do anything to the mother that she doesn't approve of. In short, MS genre is almost necessarily abuse. This one-sided nature is sometimes played quite transparently by MS incest games, who revolve around exploration and breaking of taboos, which are exciting things to play with certainly, but because of their nature with the son as the player avatar, action has to be initiated by the son, which invariably ends in hackneyed scenarios designed to end with sex. Plain Magic, Mind control, magic pills, or equally absurd blackmail scenarios come to mind. This is why people just fast forward through this dreck, because by reading such "storylines", your brain cells commit seppuku en masse.
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                        Real MS (or MD / FD / FS) incest cases aren't usually of this nature, they are often of the "family fun" or the "be nice to mommy" variety, where the taboo is simply not brought up until long after everyone is fucking everyone. You watch a movie together, get a blowjob, stroke moms pussy. It may have started when the kid was 7 years old, or literally at birth. These are likely the majority of IRL MS incest cases, various grades of hippie style nudists who think giving your son a blowjob or even pussy as reward for good grades, as an "OK and natural" thing to do. Somewhere in the teens the kids realize that basically they're being raped they can be angry at the parents and may or may not bring them to justice, (usually not) or just can't see the harm and continue doing it even to old age, because it feels good. But there's no game to be made here, unless you want your MS incest game start in the maternity ward where you play the mother and suck sonnies dick and cheer when it gets hard. There's no challenge, no excitement to be had here.
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                        So the MS genre as we know it revolves around the taboo and the breaking thereof, that is a sexually maturing son and a lonely mother who now all of a sudden takes a sexual interest in him and vice versa. If you play it from the perspective of the son, you will either be a relatively passive observer in a realistic story, or have to contrive said hackneyed scenarios for the son to be the active part. The mother however can actually take an active part without it becoming unbelievable - a son is almost always going to try to make his mother happy in any way possible, and again it would be too easy, if the son were not old enough to know about the taboo. In which case he will become deeply conflicted about his mothers increasingly forward requests, and the abusive nature of the relationship becomes very transparent.
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                        And that's the sort of shit you want to make a game about? Are you sure? If so, I say, embrace it, go with it. Let the game be about a sick fuck of a mother who basically rapes her son and drives him to madness. Beats him into submission. Pimps him to gay men and watches &amp; masturbates as her son is being raped and shat upon in exchange for money. Make it dark, make it vile, do not sugar coat the horrible stuff. Make it a "do abominable stuff simulator" that will churn the stomachs and harden the dicks of even the most cold-hearted perverts.
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                        If you want to write a game about a nice hippie mom that is open to relieving her sons sexual tensions.... I guess you can do that, but it's not going to be very interesting. You can make up for that with nice artwork though.
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                     I get what you're saying but I'd like to keep away from bad vibes as much as I can. So I'll avoid themes like abusive relations, rape, etc... There will be conflict ofcourse but it won't be about those abominable stuff. We actually got a base outline for the story. I'll post the details below.
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                        According to your posts, I think you already have much of the core for your story:
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                        From "slowly developing intimate relationship" I assume, you want to show sex with consent, not abuse. If you want your protagonist to have real feelings for each other, then it would be a love story.
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                        "Outer space" as story world is ok, so with "realistic" you mean "reasonable" i think. Outer space is not realistic in our time, but would be in the future.
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                        Most actual known incest cases are abuse or the participants did not know, they were blood related. They met and fell in love without knowing, it is incest. A real love story is very unlikely. But to be fair: if there was a functional and not abusive incest relation, they likely would not tell.
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                        You want to show lots and lots of fucking. So your main plot should not be about the development of the relationship. The sexual tension between the protagonists is what keeps he audience interested in that kind of stories. That's why every soap opera has at least one new love story in pipe line, when another is finished. So there is the very high risk, that with the first sex scene, the climax of your story is exceeded (pun intended). The rest of the story would be unlocking sex scenes.
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                        That's why I think you need another main story, wherein the intimate relationship is naturally developed.
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                        Intimacy begins with being close together (not necessary physically). Let both face a problem together. By solving the problem, they become more intimate naturally.
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                        Some general ideas I came up with while writing this post:
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                          Mother helps son with entrance exam (for drama school, art school, college, NASA, etc.);
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                          Son helps mother to organize an event (birthday, for charity, wedding, ...);
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                          Both face a big threat (war, oppressive political system, broken live support of a space ship, ...);
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                        My personal favorite would be: Mom helps son prepare sons wedding. While preparing the wedding (vows, suit, caterer, ...) the mother discovers her feeling for her son. The son doubts his reasons for marrying his future bride. The father and the bride-to-be are the antagonists. Show the player, why the mother turns away from her husband (cliché: abuse) and the son from his fiancé (cliché: she is a whore). Show what the relationships m/f and son/fiancé lacks and what the relationship m/s has.
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                        As mention by others before: decide who is you MC, who is the active part, who is in focus of the story (mother or son or both?). Give them personality: what drives them, what do they need, what do they want?
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                        Then decide, what should be the end of your story. As you approach a moral question, you could give an answer to that question. The moral conclusion could be "if both like it, let them be" or "incest is bad, you will burn in hell". You want an realistic or reasonable story. So you have to approach this question anyway. Your protagonists have to ask themselves these question to decide, how they will act. If they don't ask these questions, they are likely to be sociopaths or just there to fuck.
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                        If you have
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                          the beginning of the story (normal family life, no sexual tension),
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                        you have the core of our story.
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                        Think about scenes, which would make sense on the way from the beginning to the end, how this scenes would further your plot and how the protagonists would react naturally in that situation.
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                        Corrupted is right. You want to make a story driven game, so the story is the core of your entire game. You give up very much control by hiring writers to do this part for you.
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                        Same and even more with a writer or writers:
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                        If you pay a good writer, he will write your story for money. His drive is money, not the enthusiasm for your idea to become real. But good writers are expensive.
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                        If you don't pay the writer, he wants to write his own story.
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                        It is not hard to write a story. It is hard to write a good story. But if you don't expect to have the next "Game of Thrones" or "The Godfather" story for your game, it is possible to write an above average story with help of others by yourself.
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                        And let's be honest: an above average story is in relation to most other incest games a good story.
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                        All you need is a place, where you could post your story ideas, get honest feedback from people who like playing games and discuss your ideas, improve them and craft your own story.
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                        If such a place just would exist ...
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                     Yeah, I mean reasonable. Outerspace is still a pretty cool idea and it would open doors to some nice story opportunities.
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                     I don't really need an incredible story to become the next godfather, as I said all I need an ok story with as little cliche in it as possible and with believeable characters. So people with some experience with scratch to finish storywriting will suffice. I don't even want on a specific story of mine since all I want is that it involves a romantic buildup in the relations between the mom and the son. I'll explain some of the story outline details below.
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                     The mother is a real estate agent. She takes potential buyers to see the houses on sale. Sometimes shes outside showing estates, sometimes she's at the office and half the time she's at home just chilling when theres no work. This will be useful to show that the mom isn't just some unemployed house woman and it's also useful if there's a challenge for the player to search mom's private drawers and she has to leave the house for a few hours. There can be time limited challenges that you have to complete until mom comes back home.
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                     Another thing is that the son can help the mom sell the houses in some way. Maybe he can write reviews about the house or the neighbourhood or maybe he can pose as a resident of the area and talk about how nice it is to live there. And if the mom makes a big sale with the help of her son, she can reward him, and the tiny sales can just raise their relationship level in the stats. So instead of the mothers 'moment of weakness' it can be her 'moment of joy' that triggers their sexual activities. Over time the rewards she gives him can improve, like it starts with a handjob, then after a while they fuck a little and later on with the help of a few drinks, she invites him for anal or something. You get the idea.
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                     I know that writing fake reviews or posing as a resident isn't exactly the right thing for a moral person to do, but the main idea is that the mother and son working with each other towards a common goal which is what brings them together in joy.
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                     That is what I meant. If you have that "common goal" or "problem" they face together, you can evolve their relationship around that.
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                     A real estate business is reasonable, because they have to make a living. The son does not have to do immoral things to help. He could answer the phone when his mom is out, help with advertisements, etc.
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                        Over time the rewards she gives him can improve, like it starts with a handjob, then after a while they fuck a little and later on with the help of a few drinks, she invites him for anal or something. You get the idea.
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                     Yes, I get the idea.
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                     To me, that sounds a bit like "sex for good work" (=payment). So right now, I'm not sure what you meant by "intimate relationship": emotional or just physical?
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                     For an emotional intimate relationship, you should not reward work with sex. Good work or a good deal (a sale for example) should better only raise emotional closeness. The closer both are emotionally, the more they want to be physically close.
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                     You could even raise emotional closeness, if a deal failed: Mom would be sad, and son would show her, he is with her, he supports her. That would strengthen the bond between them.
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                     In rewarding a good deal with sex, I can't see any reason, why they should become more emotional close. Sex is nothing special, just another form of payment. So no real emotion involved. Like : "No deal? Sorry son, fuck yourself." [literally]
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                     In an emotional intimate relationship, alcohol to fuck her ass would not be necessary. Mom would want to have anal sex, because she is so close to her son. The son would likely not have anal sex with his drunk mom, because he wants her consent.
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                     If you just want a physical intimate relation ship: make her drunk and fuck her brain out.
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                        Thumbs up for the screenshots! Poor stories and badly written dialogues are what often ruins the potentially good game. I'm glad you decided to look for help with something u have no experience with. Already looking forward to this game!
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                        Well, I usually write stories.
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                        Hey i upload a quick intro.
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                        He's a bit short for sure but it's pretty much the simplistic art style that make people appear younger. Both the mom and the son look younger than they are.
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                     To sell the story, it need to be somewhat believeable. A lot of these games in this genre is not because the character models used for certain roles is not.
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                     That the "son" character appear small framed, short, that is not really a big deal. Like Captain America before super juice
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                     It can even play into his story. Can have been overly protected by his mum due to this. Then one day find himself heading into the world of College and social interactions might feel akward. Get curious/interested in girls, building up frustration. Start peek at the mum in the shower, or spy on her in other ways or whatever floats your boat.
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                     As for the mom character. It's a far stretch for acceptance to have sex with her own son out of nowhere. A believeable story, would need to play into the things you as the player do, to nudge her in a direction to cross that line. It can't be just rub her feet 10 times to get to first boobs kinda. It could be hower part of the total picture. Tierd mom, after work, watch tv whatever... son give her a foot rub as part of something greater. There need to be a build of relationship that bring the characters through different stages, and into a comfort zone where things start get more acceptable.
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                     Imho, what a lot of games tend to do badly is to throwing more and more characters into the mix. Like throw more objects for the player to fap to (or whatever).  This water down the story, and change it more or less in the direction of screw anything that walk on 2 legs. Its better to tell a story, with a start, middle and a end, and once the story you intended to tell is done. End of game.
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                     Idk about other people/players. but for me the story is far more important than the visuals. The visuals support a good story, but without its just some random fap objects. There was written some above somewhere that players tend to just click past text to get to the visual rewards. Well, thats like someone watch a porn flick and fast forward to the climax. Probably not the crowd you want to make the game/story for in the first place.
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                        To sell the story, it need to be somewhat believeable. A lot of these games in this genre is not because the character models used for certain roles is not.
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                        That the "son" character appear small framed, short, that is not really a big deal. Like Captain America before super juice
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                        It can even play into his story. Can have been overly protected by his mum due to this. Then one day find himself heading into the world of College and social interactions might feel akward. Get curious/interested in girls, building up frustration. Start peek at the mum in the shower, or spy on her in other ways or whatever floats your boat.
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                        As for the mom character. It's a far stretch for acceptance to have sex with her own son out of nowhere. A believeable story, would need to play into the things you as the player do, to nudge her in a direction to cross that line. It can't be just rub her feet 10 times to get to first boobs kinda. It could be hower part of the total picture. Tierd mom, after work, watch tv whatever... son give her a foot rub as part of something greater. There need to be a build of relationship that bring the characters through different stages, and into a comfort zone where things start get more acceptable.
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                        Imho, what a lot of games tend to do badly is to throwing more and more characters into the mix. Like throw more objects for the player to fap to (or whatever).  This water down the story, and change it more or less in the direction of screw anything that walk on 2 legs. Its better to tell a story, with a start, middle and a end, and once the story you intended to tell is done. End of game.
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                        Idk about other people/players. but for me the story is far more important than the visuals. The visuals support a good story, but without its just some random fap objects. There was written some above somewhere that players tend to just click past text to get to the visual rewards. Well, thats like someone watch a porn flick and fast forward to the climax. Probably not the crowd you want to make the game/story for in the first place.
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                     That's what I mean by staying away from cliche stories. We are spreading the story to multiple chapters so we can take our time building their relationship to the point where both the mom and son are comfortable enough to have sex. It's going to revolve around certain events and how those change the way mom and son look at things in their lives.
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                        As a caveat, make sure whatever writer you get is dedicated to the project and isn't going to flake halfway through. Do short projects together first so that you both have an idea how long stuff like this takes (read: looooooooooooooooooong)
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                     I've completed and released projects before with my coder so I don't have any doubts about flaking halfway. Worst case scenario, this can be released as a visual novel. And the storywriters have been very helpful and we finished the general layout of all the chapters. I'm glad you like the renders
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                        Call your Mayor's office, and ask if there is an incest survivors support group in your city.  Don't try to infiltrate the group or be sneaky, be upfront and honest.  Talk to the director, and tell him that you are writing a story, and let him ask the members of the group if anyone wants to tell their story (anonymously)    An overwhelming number of "victims" of all sorts, rape etc feel voiceless, and are even triggered by the way these things are depicted in mainstream media.  Helping them get it off their chest, by listening on the one hand, and on the other providing an outlet for them to really tell it like it is...how it happens... is sort of a win win for you both.
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                        Call your Mayor's office, and ask if there is an incest survivors support group in your city.  Don't try to infiltrate the group or be sneaky, be upfront and honest.  Talk to the director, and tell him that you are writing a story, and let him ask the members of the group if anyone wants to tell their story (anonymously)    An overwhelming number of "victims" of all sorts, rape etc feel voiceless, and are even triggered by the way these things are depicted in mainstream media.  Helping them get it off their chest, by listening on the one hand, and on the other providing an outlet for them to really tell it like it is...how it happens... is sort of a win win for you both.
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                     Exactly. "X survivor support group" automatically means rape or molestation, which is a completely different concept to incest. Rape is not a concept I'd like to include in this story.
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                        I think such a story would be for a whole other purpose. When you hear such a phrase as "incest survivors" it more imply people subjected as victims, and not a volentary relationship in such. Perhaps reddit would be a better way, although that probably would take a great deal of objectivity to weed out what is plausible real or not. The internet being what it is.
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                     You pretty much summed it up.
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                        Hey dude.
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                        If u need someone to help u write stuff I'm happy to help.
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                        It may not come a across through the way I type on this site but
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                        I actually aced English for my 'A' level exam, (Studied in London so I followed IGCSE),
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                        and as I said before, I'd be happy to help u since you're making a game that looks
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                        fucking amazing.
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                        Get in touch, I'll help u out
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                     We're done with the story part but thanks for the suggestion
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                     Now it's time for some visuals until we get to the dialogue writing part.
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                     I don't post anything lately since I'm making the house the story will take place in. It has a anime-ish style so its taking time building the assets. I'll post some updates soon.
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                        nope.   about half the people in those support groups, believe they did nothing wrong.  they are not victims of an attacker, they are victimized by society, which tells them they are wrong.
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                     Creepy uncle in the bedroom after midnight, telling there is nothing wrong.... (as example). Years later struggling with the, nothing wrong happened. There is way more to it than victims of society telling it was wrong. There is voices in the head telling nothing wrong happened. Doesn't make it less so.
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                     While I can't provide support for the project on the technical side, I would like to just throw out some encouragement to you. I think your art style is great, I like how it's unique and still very appealing. The posts through this thread are great stuff, you've got the right approach for success and I'm excited to see where this goes. Keep it up and thanks for dedicating part of your personal time for the enjoyment of others!
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                     I've always wanted to try my hand at a story like this.
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                     I'm a relatively experienced writer, though admittedly my experience is mostly fanfiction and some original stories I've done on the side (but I've written a LOT of fanfiction, especially romance stories so I consider myself relatively competent in writing romantic stories).
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                     I've been interested in helping to write the mother-son dynamic in particular because that's the kind of game I really want to see here on f95. That happens to be the kind of incest I like the most.
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                     I've been told that I'm very good at writing relationships between characters, and this is one of the bridges I've always wanted to cross, but never had a reason to. I'm terrible at developing games, but I've always wanted to write stories for games and this sounds like it could be a lot of fun and great practice for my palette.
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                     I also dig the character models, though for some reason I'm tempted to want the son to be just a bit older, but that's just a personal peeve. Nothing wrong with what you've come up with already
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                        Hello GaussianFracture I'm from RARgames I've been looking for someone to collaborate with to do a bigger game than the ones I have been tackling recently. I'm a writer and artist and know a little about coding for Ren'py. If you want to try some collab get a hold of me either at rargames on facebook or patreon at rargames. more than likely I won't see a response on here because It's rare that I come to this site. hope to hear from ya. call me monkeybird69.
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                        While I can't provide support for the project on the technical side, I would like to just throw out some encouragement to you. I think your art style is great, I like how it's unique and still very appealing. The posts through this thread are great stuff, you've got the right approach for success and I'm excited to see where this goes. Keep it up and thanks for dedicating part of your personal time for the enjoyment of others!
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                     I'm just glad you like it
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                     I've always wanted to turn this artstyle into something fappable. And it makes the perfect combo with incest themed game visuals.
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                        I've always wanted to try my hand at a story like this.
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                        I'm a relatively experienced writer, though admittedly my experience is mostly fanfiction and some original stories I've done on the side (but I've written a LOT of fanfiction, especially romance stories so I consider myself relatively competent in writing romantic stories).
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                        I've been interested in helping to write the mother-son dynamic in particular because that's the kind of game I really want to see here on f95. That happens to be the kind of incest I like the most.
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                        I'd be more than happy to assist however I can. If you'd like examples of what I can write, look up Wandering Letters on fanfiction dot net and those would be examples of what I've done. Bear in mind, all of those stories aren't proofread and the like, so it's not my best work. For something like this, I'd obviously put significantly more effort into ensuring it's good.
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                        I'm VERY interested in helping with this, so please do get in touch if I tickle your fancy.
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                        I've been told that I'm very good at writing relationships between characters, and this is one of the bridges I've always wanted to cross, but never had a reason to. I'm terrible at developing games, but I've always wanted to write stories for games and this sounds like it could be a lot of fun and great practice for my palette.
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                        I also dig the character models, though for some reason I'm tempted to want the son to be just a bit older, but that's just a personal peeve. Nothing wrong with what you've come up with already
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                     Thanks for the suggestion
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                     Actually there will be a spot open later on for filling the gap between the chapters, as in how the characters play the story and go into change throughout the series.
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                        Looking good, will definitely be watching this with interest.
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                        Also, not to bring up the whole incest-debate thing - but I think it would be better to clearly frame this within its fictional setting as an erotic fantasy in a relatively consequence-free game world, as opposed to try and present it as some kind of argument for real life incest. That's.... questionable. Kink is fine, advocacy is muddy.
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                        I really like the style of the models. I like the stylized cartoon-esque features that make them very expressive without going overboard with the cutesiness or hyperstylization.
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                     It will be a mixture of those two. It will explore the mechanics behind incest while fulfilling the lustful fetish-side of things for incest lovers. Without that, it would be a weak story where mom and son just happens to be having sex like its no big deal.
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                     I feel like one of the things that make incest attractive to people is because it's still a huge taboo in our society, which the story arc will revolve around.
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                     * Genetic sexual attraction : typically sister-brother not raised together meets up finally as an adult , and apparently it's frequent they develop sexual attraction .
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                     *Isolation : As people in thread mentioned  an island , space any barrier that prevent Both from seeking sexual partners elsewhere . Humans and most animals avoid incest by default unless it's their only resort .
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                        Nicely done with the renders. Looking really good so far
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                     Thanx
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                        Excited to say the least.
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                        Renders look good, your commitment to build up also has me hyped. The only fears I have is it being far too linear (like most VNs tend to be) but I would be a fool to judge it before it's even close to releasing.
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                     Thanks. Think of it like an RPG game where you can simply finish the linear story or do the side quests and unlock some goodies.
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                        Not a fan of incest myself . I like the milf - teen and Power dynamics ( both ways )
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                        that's why i play a lot of incest games . I can name 5 relatively ''plausible'' scenarios
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                        * Genetic sexual attraction : typically sister-brother not raised together meets up finally as an adult , and apparently it's frequent they develop sexual attraction .
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                        *Isolation : As people in thread mentioned  an island , space any barrier that prevent Both from seeking sexual partners elsewhere . Humans and most animals avoid incest by default unless it's their only resort .
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                        *forced : say galactic zoo where they are forced to breed\ have sex for visitors enjoyment , Revenge , desperate for money , human farm ect . Dog pure breeding by the way was probably very incestuous ,
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                        *consensual , cliche common ,no idea how to make it not cliché again not my thing
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                        *mind control \ corruption : i personally enjoy this it's common and i can't help you with this part that much to be honest .
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                     It's a mixture of isolation and consensual. Mind control sure is fun but it's a bit too fantastic in my opinion. Although I'm not taking anything off the table yet.
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                        Not a fan of incest myself . I like the milf - teen and Power dynamics ( both ways )
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                        that's why i play a lot of incest games . I can name 5 relatively ''plausible'' scenarios
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                        * Genetic sexual attraction : typically sister-brother not raised together meets up finally as an adult , and apparently it's frequent they develop sexual attraction .
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                        *Isolation : As people in thread mentioned  an island , space any barrier that prevent Both from seeking sexual partners elsewhere . Humans and most animals avoid incest by default unless it's their only resort .
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                        *forced : say galactic zoo where they are forced to breed\ have sex for visitors enjoyment , Revenge , desperate for money , human farm ect . Dog pure breeding by the way was probably very incestuous ,
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                        *consensual , cliche common ,no idea how to make it not cliché again not my thing
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                        *mind control \ corruption : i personally enjoy this it's common and i can't help you with this part that much to be honest .
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                        Here i tried , not sure if that helps you or not
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                     As far as plausible scenarios go with incest, I'm kind of surprised there aren't more stories written around half siblings. That isolation angle tends to come into play with a divorced and remarried family member, only seeing said sibling every couple weekends or for a month or two in the summers... Move in with your other parent (and said sibling) permanently after the first dies or somesuch, suddenly having to get used to seeing a budding college/high school senior in their prime every day that you'd never thought of in that fashion, but now have seen naked or in various states of undress on occasion, yourself potentially a late bloomer and dealing with repressed sexual urges and curiosities... Just seems like the story would all but write itself.  Instead folks always seem to go either full sibling or step sibling. -shrugs-
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                        As far as plausible scenarios go with incest, I'm kind of surprised there aren't more stories written around half siblings. That isolation angle tends to come into play with a divorced and remarried family member, only seeing said sibling every couple weekends or for a month or two in the summers... Move in with your other parent (and said sibling) permanently after the first dies or somesuch, suddenly having to get used to seeing a budding college/high school senior in their prime every day that you'd never thought of in that fashion, but now have seen naked or in various states of undress on occasion, yourself potentially a late bloomer and dealing with repressed sexual urges and curiosities... Just seems like the story would all but write itself.  Instead folks always seem to go either full sibling or step sibling. -shrugs-
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                     It's probably because that sort of scenario invites the horror genre more than the pornographic. You are right, in that it's a good idea that would write itself, but the awkwardness and unfamiliar familiarity would get most writers thinking cheesy eighties slasher film.
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                     It's why step-sibling is just an excuse for writers that don't want to go full on incestuous. The real scenario of a stranger living in your home is awkward, especially if they start doing perverted stuff.
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                     I'm the best story writer here. Learn a lot from Channel Awesome, especially Doug on the subject. And I have a master's degree from university. I am best at young adult materials, which this can easily fall under as that is 18+ material. However, I tend to most of my work in relation to vore and sometimes futanari. However, I don't have to do either of those aspects. Also, learning what you shouldn't do from various existing writers like the ones behind the show of Game of Thrones (R. R. Martin is terrific) and the Prequels of the Star Wars Series. Further, I've seen my fair share of hentai games of this element, mainly Summertime Saga.
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                     Trick in writing is theme and setting for the both place and character. This needs to be done in cooperation, which means you may be involved more so than you would have liked for story pacing aspects as well as screening and filtering materials to fit your ideals.
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                     Some of what the other people here have said is correct, but not necessarily.
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                        I'm the best story writer here. Learn a lot from Channel Awesome, especially Doug on the subject. And I have a master's degree from university. I am best at young adult materials, which this can easily fall under as that is 18+ material. However, I tend to most of my work in relation to vore and sometimes futanari. However, I don't have to do either of those aspects. Also, learning what you shouldn't do from various existing writers like the ones behind the show of Game of Thrones (R. R. Martin is terrific) and the Prequels of the Star Wars Series. Further, I've seen my fair share of hentai games of this element, mainly Summertime Saga.
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                        Trick in writing is theme and setting for the both place and character. This needs to be done in cooperation, which means you may be involved more so than you would have liked for story pacing aspects as well as screening and filtering materials to fit your ideals.
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                        Some of what the other people here have said is correct, but not necessarily.
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                        For instance, you can have a typical hentai incest story, but if doesn't offer anything original, no one will invest in it. So you need original material and a psychological deduction presented to the viewer that makes him accept it regardless of what kind of taboo or what level of taboo takes place. No story is necessarily bad until pacing and theme is ignored. &lt;- This is why Game of Thrones (the show) and the Hobbit trilogy (especially the third movie) suffered so terribly in terms of storytelling. So did, Episode VII of Stars Wars, but don't let any die hard feminist here know I said that. *wink* *wink*
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                        Therefore, I would gladly work with you to create said story, together and I'll do so for free so long as I am mentioned in the credits.
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                        She looks to be a confident woman who has been the unfortunate victim of people who call themselves "men". Man after man are horrible daters and lacking lovers. This results in this wonderful lady suffering from severe sexual frustration and craving a connection besides her and her son's love. Her son idolizes his mother and wishes the best for her. He puts her on a pedestal since she IS the queen of his world. His everything, his existence, and his muse. He slowly realizes what's going with his mother as she's leaving small clues in her frustration. Now, the young man resolves to meet her every need and then some in exchange for the good life he's had so far. He learns to give massages, learns to last longer, and scours the interwebs for sexual knowledge. A plan is in action...
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                     I've starting working with a few writers and even put down some of the events.
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                        I'm not in this for the money really. I'm not sure why I haven't set up a patreon yet but my time schedule is kinda messy and I don't want to force myself to come up with quick content every month just so there's an update. I just want to take my time to create a mom-son incest game with a fusion of visual styles I hand-picked over different doujin and western erotic art, which are accompanied by a nice taboo story. So I guess I'm doing this for the sake of art
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                        Well, so far all I have out in the public are a few pictures. They are on my Patreon.com/rargames I actually feel the same way about the money thing. I'm doing this because I enjoy it. If I get paid its just a bonus. And even if I do get patrons for my patreon I don't plan on doing monthly updates or rushed releases. More than likely people wouldn't hear from me regularly. Until I had some kind of infrastructure set up its completely not feasible.
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                        I went to college for Creative Writing (with about 10 years experience) if you want some technical advice
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                     here's a little teaser for you then
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                     A boy Nathan (15 yrs old) live's alone with her aunt, her aunt works for an pharmaceutical business finding a cure for a random weird disease. It started 13 years ago affecting all the males in the planet, its effect happens when they turn 16, this affect the males to behave anormal, lost interest in womans, the world population right now are decreased due to this problem, and he's a bit curious about her aunt works, so he get into her room, and seeking his project folders, finds some document about his passed away mother. Her aunt always tells him her mother die as young when she gave him birth. But sadly he continue reading this folder, and now he know that weird disease was his mother project working for some shit company who wants to create quimical weapons.
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                     He's start to hear some footstep nearby her aunt room, so he try to hidde somewhere. Lucky for him seems to found some hidden button behind a small library stand, an door opens, he jumped right into it. He can't believe what his eye are seeing. Labs experiments, wierd fluids, tubs, etc. (you know, lab shit).
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                     He step behind an enormous wall, and continue reading that folder, and here is when we got complicated... He know everything what gonna happen to him when he turns 16!. Scared as fuck, started to shake.
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                     He continues reading that folder documents, and finally at the last pages, found some experimental pills, her aunt was working on it. Sadly it says, there wasn't tested yet, and don't know what their secondary effect will cause. It's say they are hidden in a green glass vase with security code, he's running out of time!, her aunt know he was in there. So suddenly when she appears, he takes the vase, and crush it all over the floor. There was like 5 or 6 pills, and he's take everything... yep, he swallowed all of them...
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                     Her aunt can't believe what he have done!, not for the fact he eated the pills was working for trying to find some cure to help humanity, owever she cared about him, she don't want to lose him.
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                     Seems to be working fast those pills, cuz in seconds he fall asleep.
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                     He wake up at the next day, with her aunt sitting next to his bed, she brings him a truly and lovely hug. He don't remember anything from the last day, it's due to those pills he takes. Now there's some silly problem down there, He got a hard on!, and a massive one!. Her aunt flush red, and he don't know what to do, so he suddenly go to the bathroom, and try to cool off. Later he goes to school and meet with is best friend, some weird dota game lover... Name's Josh. Nathan (he's like more lol).
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                     Josh invite him to his home to play some video games, and watch a movie, its his birthday!, yeah 16yrs old! bravo!(he gonna die virgin,cough, cough...)
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                     Later that night josh talk to nathan about to stay the night and sleep in his house, he happily accept. Nathan sleep in the guest room, At 3am wake's up with an massive boner, he doesn't understand whats happening to him since the morning. He goes to the bathroom, and while he was passing by the hallway, he sees his friend josh room something flawless. Josh mother's sucking her son cock... His step wasn't something loud... but he broke some vase next to that door in the shock!, Josh mother's look back at him, and he run for the bathroom and lock herself, can't imagine what he gonna explain, at high hours in the night walking, and after what he saw...
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                     "toc, toc, toc" sounds in the bathroom door, he know that was josh's mother.
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                     He reply "i'm sorry, i never wanted to see that, i was in an hurry to the bathroom, and then i heared some weird sounds coming from josh room"
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                     Josh's mother was crying because of that, she was desperately about some intimacy, because it passed a long time since she had a man touch, thanks to that disease, she can't handle the fact that, his boy was turning 16 and started that anormal behavior. She's feel lonely, she ask for an hug and wants a little talk, so Nathan came out of the bathroom to console her
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                     Well it all kinda worked well, except...
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                     he was still hard like an rock! She saw it's boner from the floor to the moon!!!, she started breathing heavily, and suddenly ask him, how he's that big and why have that boner. He reply, this started last morning and don't know why it happens, he say its hurts like crazy... So...
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                     she in all of her horniness. Like a good lady, a good willing help human being, say she's gonna help him to get rid of that "thing". After that Nathan experiments his first blowjob, titfuck, he's touching the heaven with pleasure!!(and with his dick and Josh's mother lips)
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                     and i have thinked a few endings, 1 marry aunt / 2 fuck every milf an make the world great again / 3 test the project Ex0RL (Aka time machine) and go back in time and save your mom and bring to the present where you are, obviously this would lead to fuck your mom soon or later, with aunt in milf combo...
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                     So for now this is how i managed to create my story for some day create my own game , of course there will be some side storys, like helping and loving auntie in home, some teachers in needs, and lot of milfs! in needs!(heat...). Sorry if my grammar is horrible!, i try my best to make it can be read normal. Ok good night folks! greetings from argentina =)
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                        Hey, nice artwork.
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                        The question is, do you have a story to tell and is an RPG the right ludic venue?
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                        I've lately spent a lot of time thinking about incestuous relationships and I've come to the conclusion, that if you want a game with the core concept of mother-son incest, you should write it from the mothers perspective. In most of these games you have a walking dildo-boy whose cock might as well be a third leg for how small the boy is, and because it is a game he is the active person. But realistically, mother-son incest does not work that way. There is an absolutely huge power disparity between a mother and a son. The mother cannot "seduce" the son because the son is too sexually inexperienced to even understand such avances - And there is no possibility that a son will do anything to the mother that she doesn't approve of. In short, MS genre is almost necessarily abuse. This one-sided nature is sometimes played quite transparently by MS incest games, who revolve around exploration and breaking of taboos, which are exciting things to play with certainly, but because of their nature with the son as the player avatar, action has to be initiated by the son, which invariably ends in hackneyed scenarios designed to end with sex. Plain Magic, Mind control, magic pills, or equally absurd blackmail scenarios come to mind. This is why people just fast forward through this dreck, because by reading such "storylines", your brain cells commit seppuku en masse.
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                        Real MS (or MD / FD / FS) incest cases aren't usually of this nature, they are often of the "family fun" or the "be nice to mommy" variety, where the taboo is simply not brought up until long after everyone is fucking everyone. You watch a movie together, get a blowjob, stroke moms pussy. It may have started when the kid was 7 years old, or literally at birth. These are likely the majority of IRL MS incest cases, various grades of hippie style nudists who think giving your son a blowjob or even pussy as reward for good grades, as an "OK and natural" thing to do. Somewhere in the teens the kids realize that basically they're being raped they can be angry at the parents and may or may not bring them to justice, (usually not) or just can't see the harm and continue doing it even to old age, because it feels good. But there's no game to be made here, unless you want your MS incest game start in the maternity ward where you play the mother and suck sonnies dick and cheer when it gets hard. There's no challenge, no excitement to be had here.
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                        So the MS genre as we know it revolves around the taboo and the breaking thereof, that is a sexually maturing son and a lonely mother who now all of a sudden takes a sexual interest in him and vice versa. If you play it from the perspective of the son, you will either be a relatively passive observer in a realistic story, or have to contrive said hackneyed scenarios for the son to be the active part. The mother however can actually take an active part without it becoming unbelievable - a son is almost always going to try to make his mother happy in any way possible, and again it would be too easy, if the son were not old enough to know about the taboo. In which case he will become deeply conflicted about his mothers increasingly forward requests, and the abusive nature of the relationship becomes very transparent.
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                        And that's the sort of shit you want to make a game about? Are you sure? If so, I say, embrace it, go with it. Let the game be about a sick fuck of a mother who basically rapes her son and drives him to madness. Beats him into submission. Pimps him to gay men and watches &amp; masturbates as her son is being raped and shat upon in exchange for money. Make it dark, make it vile, do not sugar coat the horrible stuff. Make it a "do abominable stuff simulator" that will churn the stomachs and harden the dicks of even the most cold-hearted perverts.
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                        If you want to write a game about a nice hippie mom that is open to relieving her sons sexual tensions.... I guess you can do that, but it's not going to be very interesting. You can make up for that with nice artwork though.
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