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"content": "& Will Cost Him The Election.\n\nWe’re in an era of nail-biter, highly competitive presidential elections.\n\nSince 2000 with the Exemption of Obama’s 2 races In 2020, Joe Biden won three states by less than a 4 percentage point, including Wisconsin, the state that notched him an Electoral College victory. (Obama is the only person in the 2000s to win Wisconsin by more than 1%...)\n\nIn 2016, that exact statement applied to Donald Trump. Polls today suggest 2024 will be similarly close. The get-out-the-vote operations, the so-called “ground game,” may determine the outcome in November.\n\nCuz, The Trump campaign is tasking the far-right Turning Point network with spearheading its ground game despite having no track record of success.\n\nCNN reported that “Donald Trump’s campaign is taking a vastly different approach to 2024 compared with 2020, with plans for fewer staff and expenses [and instead] relying on wealthy conservative groups for data, infrastructure, and significant bank accounts.” It further noted that one of the most important of these groups is Charli Kirk’s group\n\nConservative donors have rewarded the Turning Point network for its virulence with more cash every year. The group reported $9.8 million in donations for 2017, $79.2 million for 2022, and a quarter of a billion since 2016.\n\nBut the ability to vacuum up cash does not automatically translate into the ability to boost voter turnout.\n\nIn 2022, the Turning Point network entered the ground game business, mainly in Arizona, where it is headquartered. As the Arizona Republic reported, “Turning Point PAC, the political action committee started by Turning Point USA, spent $494,105 during the 2022 election cycle, including the primary elections. The bulk of that, $377,201, went towards the general election races for U.S. Senate, governor, and Secretary of State in Arizona.”\n\nTurning Point’s candidates lost all of those races.\n\nKari Lake, led the Democratic nominee, Katie Hobbs, by 2.4 percentage points in the final FiveThirtyEight poll average. Yet Hobbs won by a 0.7 percentage point margin. Underperforming the polls by 3 points indicates that Lake and her Turning Point comrades got beat on the ground.\n\nUndeterred, Turning Point last year began shopping around a $108 million get-out-the-vote plan, now called “Chase the Vote,” focusing on Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin.\n\nThen-Chair of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel, gave this plan the cold shoulder. Kirk launched blistering attacks on McDaniel, claiming she was a Democratic plant and urging Trump to dump her. According to Real Clear Politics, McDaniel told Trump that Kirk’s penchant for insulting African Americans, such as saying Martin Luther King, Jr. did not deserve a holiday, would hurt efforts with Black voters.\n\nKirk won the fight. McDaniel quit under pressure. Then Trump took Kirk’s suggestion to install his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, as RNC co-chair.\nRepublicans suspicious of Kirk told NBC News soon after McDaniel’s February ouster that Kirk pushed for it so Turning Point could take over the 2024 ground game and profit from it:\n\nAt the “Restoring National Confidence” summit, hosted by Turning Point Action ahead of this month’s RNC winter meetings in Las Vegas, state and local GOP chairs were pitched on transitioning their voter outreach and canvassing efforts to an app created by Superfeed Technologies, a company led by Tyler Bowyer, the chief operating officer of Turning Point USA.\n\n“This is why he was trying to get rid of Ronna,” [a] Trump ally said. “He shouldn’t make it sound like, ‘Oh, we’re tired of losing. We don’t have an early vote program.’ He should have just said, ‘Listen, he who controls the RNC controls millions of dollars and I want to get my hands on them.’ I mean, that would have been a more honest grift.”\n\nTrump usually likes to hustle rather than be hustled. What would entice him to fall for Turning Point’s scheme? Probably because “Chase the Vote” is premised on a political strategy that comports with Trump’s extremist politics: forget the swing, juice the base.\n\nAs CNN reported: “The prevailing wisdom of the consultant class before was, ‘Let’s go to those swing districts and really try and move those voters.’ Well, we don’t agree,” one source familiar with the plans told CNN. “We’re going where the Republicans are. We’re going to drive up [the] score in those areas and get the people that stayed home in 2020 or 2022.”\n\nThis is the logic Turning Point used in 2022 when it struck out in all the major Arizona races. But it’s a comfortable strategy for Trump to accept because he need not woo swing voters.\n\nIn some progressive circles, base-only strategies have been trendy in recent years. But Democratic leaders have largely eschewed such insular thinking and Also courted swing voters, to Combine with Base, which paid off in 2018, 2020, and 2022, Helping in The Suburbs\n\nIf Trump’s ground game grifters ignore the swing, women, Suburbs they risk ceding a critical voting bloc to Harris . & It Doesn’t Help, If They Can’t Maximize/Increase their Own Base As well. Despite Trump Getting Shot, His opponent dropping out mid-election , his numbers didn’t move. & Now His VP is a weird little off-putting gremlin talking about Mt Dew.\n\nTo put the quandary in a nutshell. Trump is a low ceiling/high floor candidate.\n\nAfter all You Need Base + Swing Voters,Despite a dwindling pool of it\n\n& to Rely on low-engagement, low-education, low-information, particularly male voters in getting more votes is madness.\n\nAlso Campaigns need air war & ground troops, but to win , you better invest in it early so it’s there when you need it. Which The Harris Camgian Has Done. Particularly Like, with Voter Registration, opening dozens and dozens of field offices in battlegrounds and visiting battlegrounds and placing ad reservations in battlegrounds.\n\nAfter all Close Elections are won by turnout, as any other election , but also ground game and voter registration even more so. & On That Front, You Can’t be anemic, or underfunded 2/4",
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"content": "Contrast That with The Harris Campaign, Which Has a 100 campaign headquarters and field offices, & a 1000 Staffers, Not Alone Without Mentioning State Parties & Unions In 4 Crtical States of WI, Pa, MI & Nevada\n\nRepublican Parties across the country on the other hand are finding it harder and harder to operate as they run out of money for various Reasons . And most of them happen to be swing states that are going to be crucial to Republican success in this year’s elections. Running deficits that far outweigh their cash on hand, these parties are being forced to cut back on campaigning and candidate funding just to pay off their debts.\n\nWe’re Talking about states such as Arizona , Michigan, Massachusetts, Colorado\n\nFor instance The state Republican Party in Minnesota is also struggling financially, with a filing revealing that it recently had only $53.81 in the bank and was more than $335,000 in debt, according to a Federal Election Commission (FEC) filing\n\nThe reality is that Trump and MAGA are overrated by the polls and the elite pundits.\n\nAlso Democrats are continuing to over perform & rack up massive electoral victories & Ballet Success - including in deep red areas where they shouldn’t have a chance, on - on issues in areas where they shouldn’t be winning\n\nThe critical difference between 2016 and 2020 wasn’t simply turnout, and it wasn’t the makeup of the party coalitions, along propensity lines or otherwise. It was that enough Democratic voters opted out of the binary where it mattered in 2016, sufficiently lowering the bar for Trump to win.\n\nHillary lost in 2016 despite the polls, Cuz people were lukewarm on both candidates but who would prefer Hillary win, thought (thanks to the media) Trump had zero shot so they didn’t bother voting. Nobody will ever think Trump has zero shot again.\n\nIf you Look at counties in Michigan from 2016-2020. Biden gained a substantial amount of votes in the Detroit metro area and Grand Rapids that far outmatched the increased margins that Trump got from rural counties, in 2020.\n\nIf You Look At Counties in Ohio & North Carolina in 2020. Biden was Over-Performing in Suburban Areas, While Trump Increased his Vote Totals in Rural County, After Rural County.\n\nAlso This election Only two competitive Goverserhip races this year, North Carolina and New Hampshire. I Think Democrats Will Win Them.\n\nBut I think the Senate is a brutal map for Democrats.\n\nThree seats being defended by Democrats are in states won by Republican Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020, while there are no seats in this class held by Republicans in states won by Democrat Joe Biden in 2020. Sherrod Brown Will Win, While West Virginia & Montana are a Loss.\n\nSo The U.S Senate = 51 R 49 D\n\nAlso Republicans won a slim House majority at least in part by winning more victories in districts that Joe Biden carried than Democrats did in districts carried by Donald Trump in 2020 & 2022 . Primarily In New York & California, where it Seems likely that a potentially decisive variable was the influence of the states’ respective gubernatorial races\n\nCrossover district members are not extinct, but they are endangered to some degree\n\nHouse: So House, could go either way\n\n3/4",
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"content": "Wow Trump is like a zombie cordycep infection that has taken over the Republican Party as a host body, replacing the flesh of the Republicans Party with its own flesh, leaving it as a shambling, barely functioning husk",
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"content": "so i've been educating myself on the capitalist and socialist death count debate and this is what i came up with.\n\nso first the definition of capitalism: capitalism is the mode of production of which the ownership of the means of production is privately owned by the few/capitalist. the capitalist utilize the ownership of the means of production to get people to work for them. the worker doesn't own the means of production and has no say in the control of the means of production.\n\nthe definition of state planned socialism (historically most socialist countries): socialism is the mode of production of which the means of production is owned communally/publicly/by the workers. the workers communally selects what they want to produce/ how they want to produce it. the workers communally selects what state plans they want for the economy. all wealth and resources is equally distributed to all workers. socialism is based on need. if people do not need something it will not be produced or at least not produced that much.\n\nso how do we know if capitalism caused or ignored a preventable death: capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. if the private owners of the means of production kills somebody or ignores a preventable death that they can save it is added to the capitalist death toll.\n\nso how do we know if socialism caused or ignored a preventable death: socialism is public ownership of the means of production. if the public/working class owners of the means of production collectively kills somebody or collectively ignores a preventable death that they can save it is added to the socialist death toll.\n\nwhy the black book of communism is silly:\n\nnazi deaths are counted as victims of communism. nazis weren't socialist. the nazis killied and imprisoned socialist/communist. in fact they privatize industry that used to be public.\ncounting non births as deaths. so what this book does is if in a country that used to 4 children birth rate and dropped to 2 children birth rate after a socialist revolution and those 2 other children that wouldve been born is now considered a \"victim of communism\" this is silly you can't be a victim of anything if you don't exist because you can't experience anything to be a victim.\ntwo of the authors admit to having lower estimates\npulling numbers out of thin air\ncounting pragmatists as \"victims of communism\"\nmain author being obsessed with reaching 100 million\nnoam chomsky stated that if we were to say the same about india. 1917 through 1979 already 100 million people would have died. an argument to this is that india's constitution calls itself socialist. my counter argument is this wiki paragraph\n\nSocialism in India is a political movement founded early in the 20th century, as a part of the broader movement to gain Indian independence from colonial rule. The movement grew quickly in popularity as it espoused the causes of India's farmers and labourers against the zamindars, the princely class and the landed gentry. After independence and until the early 1990s, socialism shaped some economic and social policies of the Indian government, although they mostly followed the principles of dirigisme.\\1])\\2]) After this period, India moved towards a more market-based economy. Though, India is officially declared a socialist state as per the constitution.\n\nso they half assed socialism and instead just practiced dirigisme. which if you don't know what is dirigisme. dirigisme is a form of capitalism but just lots of state intervention(it's a bit more complicated than that but you catch my drift). just because someone calls themselves something it doesn't mean they are. india wasn't socialist. so the 100 million people that died was do to capitalism.\n\nalso 41 million people dies from preventable diseases a year. every 10 years 410,000,000 people dies from a preventable death. from 1950 to 2024 we could've saved 3 billion people. we can 100% prevent these deaths. but the rich chose not to. because it isn't profitable.\n\nwhile the cuban government is going out their way to help people from covid for free or nearly for free.\n\nhere are some videos:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClLKm8Q8Pns\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5LMxXC8qWg&t\n\nEdit: I was being gracious here the real tally exceeds 10 billion",
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"content": "Problem is that the USSR wasn't socialist",
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"content": "Yes they were state capitalist",
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"content": "Yeah 🤟",
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"content": "Finally someone who is not a librul om this sub",
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"content": "Those gosh darn libruls been eatin my produce, things go on like this and we gone starve once winter comes round I reckon.",
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"content": "Biden refusing to condemn the genocide while continuing to fund it and actively play defense for Israel does in my mind outweigh the good. Its a blighted stain on his legacy that could only be topped by Trump winning afterwards and endorsing Israel's actions further. Biden is still better than Trump and Im still voting Genocide Joe and sleeping soundly...but the gaza situation took him from better than average president to garbage in my book.",
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"content": "of course he isn't good, but the \"best president in our lifetime\" saying still stands I'd say, Obama and the other dem presidents of the lady few decades have all been no less pro Israel than Biden, they would've done the exact same if not more",
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"content": "The conservative mind is literally deficient. ",
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"content": "The brain worms have really done a number on the GOP.",
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"content": "Question really is:\n\nDo brainrotten people go toward the GOP?\n\nor\n\nDoes the GOP rot your brain?",
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"content": "The GOP really is the skibidi toilet for racist adults",
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"content": "Biden. Dropping Biden guarantees a Trump victory. It’s the only option that doesn’t lead to apathy among minority groups that carried him in the 2020 primaries and the voters that did things like write him in to victory on a ballot he wasn’t on.\n\nHarris is a potential alternative if he has a genuine medical emergency between now and election day.\n\nPeople just have to get with the times. He’s not stepping back, Americans hare the media, we just have to make them hate Republicans too. We did a damn good job of it four years ago.",
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"content": "So basically, stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye, Biden's a guaranteed loss and supposedly so is everyone else.\n\n\n\nYeah, no, fuck that. Keeping Biden guarantees a Trump victory. And even if you're not wrong, it's *still* a better shot with him stepping down considering the down ticket. We need someone who excites the public to show up, and Biden's currently the exact opposite of that.",
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"content": "I don’t want to get my hopes up but I just want the current will he drop discussions to end",
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"content": "god I hate the online left. Biden is the most effective lefty president of the last 50 years. He stopped our wars, got inflation and the economy back on track, made a big turn towards better climate change policy and united the west militarily. But we cannot unite behind him, because he isn't a good speaker.\n\nIt reminds me of Al Gore. Saving the world? No, let's vote for the corrupt warlord drunkard whose tax slashes for the rich we're still paying back. Because he is a better speaker.\n\nMeanwhile, the right unites behind Trump.\n\nYou guys suck ass and you're the reason we can't have good governance.",
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"content": "The delelu in this sub and broadly the online left of thinking it's conceivable that Biden will drop out is nothing short of astonishing. A bad debate and everyone shits their pants and says the only guy who's ever beaten Trump should leave the race? People running with the Beltway Bullshit narratives from corporate media? Absolutely cooked.",
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"content": "Trump ran twice; his win was against Hillary Clinton who was universally hated and utterly incompetent at campaigning. Biden beat Trump when he had the incumbent disadvantage and in the context of a crumbling economy, concentration camps, Holocaust survivors warning that America was like Germany when Hitler first took power, and a catostrophic failure of policy with COVID carrying a massive death toll. Still, Biden barely squeaked out a win.\n\nNow, Biden carries an incumbent disadvantage - it's only an advantage when people like you - Biden has a 20% favorability and Trump has a 25% favorability. He has the baggage of massive inflation, a thriving stock market while wages stagnate, a betrayal at the border as he went all out to keep immigrants out and deport those who got in, he rolled over for Greg Abbott when the Supreme Court ruled that Abbott couldn't enforce immigration law, and then pushed the harshest immigration bill in history which only failed because Trump wanted to be the one who passed it, and a genocide he has been funding and waffling on. He has alienated Muslim voters, black voters, young voters, and progressive voters. What would possibly make you think that he would do as well this time as he had when he squeaked by in 2020?\n\nThe claim that he is the only person to ever beat Donald Trump is just a ridiculous thing to point out. It's not like Trump was beating opponent after opponent throughout his life and then Biden beat him - Trump had one win and then had a loss. It could be explained with a coin flip.",
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"content": "It’s starting to get to them",
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"content": "This is hilarious\n\nVivek is right though, Kamala is dodging giving her stance on the late great Hannibal Lector, Get to the real issues",
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"content": "What’s her stance on the Targaryen girl!? Should Bobby B kill her? And what about the droid attack on the wookies!?",
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"content": "Does she prefer the shark or the electricity??",
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"content": "Who will she name Warmaster? Pete? Horus? The correct choice, Konrad Curze!? What’s her stance on nuking Lichtenstein? Will she nuke the enemies of mankind, Lichtenstein!? Will she give every lesbian a sword?",
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"content": "Will she pick… Donald Drumpf as her running mate?",
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"content": "Somehow I wouldn’t put it past the DNC, being serious. A “unity candidate”",
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"content": "Nah, if you want a unity candidate from the reds you should go with The Governator.\n\nBecause the one Republican ex-Governor who's been openly trying to de-cult the Nazis being VP would get them even more upset.",
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"content": "Handy guide for today",
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"content": "\"[Adolf Hitler] is considered a very weak candidate in 2024.\"\n\nI don't know man, stranger things have happened",
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"content": "Look Who's Back",
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"content": "Excellent movie",
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"content": "We're so back",
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"content": "You clearly just fell out of a coconut tree 🌴 🥥",
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"content": "OP Doesn't know that they exist in the context of all in which they live and what came before them.",
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"content": "I think the apple's rotten right to the core...🍏💚🎶",
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"content": "Let me start by saying that if Biden is nominated at the Convention, we as leftist should support him as a lesser evil. With that said I am tired of Biden Bros endlessly making excuses for Biden by saying “this is the most important election of our life time and if Trump wins he will implement Project 2025”. \n\nIn simple terms, even if Biden somehow pulls it off and wins in 2024, he will either be unable or unwilling to push for reforms to reverse the worst of the Trump Administration and put up secure protections to the public that are Republican Proof (such as on LGBT issues or abortion) unless he wins the House and Senate (which is highly unlikely) and will probably never happen unless Republicans really screw something up. \n\nAll Biden as President will do is kick the can down the road and give us a few years to breath. If Trump loses and dies in 2024, then in 2028 Ron DeSantis runs and pushes project 2029 and then if he loses that it will go on and on and on. Democrats can’t use the excuse of imminent fascism forever. At some point either they need to push for a candidate that excites the public and actually bring about change or they are doomed to eventually see the rise of American Fascism in response to tge collapse of the neoliberal world order due to the ever increasing contradictions of capitalism. \n\nI will vote for Biden but I don’t see how anyone can look at this man and say “yes, this is our best chance at beating Trump and Trumpism”. Biden is fundamentally the lowest viable product that voters are willing to accept. \n\nI am also skeptical if things will ever change, in 4 years in all likelihood we will back here once more. Dems will push for another spineless elderly neoliberal who will not fix the systemic issues of society and continue to push for the status quo as it collapses around us with the threat of whatever ghoul the Republicans push to keep the left in line. ",
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"content": "I am with you.\n\nI am really hoping he steps down or has a stroke. The Dems don't realize how like MAGA they are being at the moment with Biden.",
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"content": "“I hope they fall into the worst chaos imaginable right before the election” is a super good way of saying you want Trump to win.",
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"content": "imagen if Biden drops dead right now. according to your logic we are doom.\n\nit would not be chaos if Biden steps down and endorses a new candidate. His stubbornness is what is dooming us.\n\nBiden is not inspiring us, he is suffocating us, THAT is what is going to make us lose. Stop blaming the public when we are in a democracy the political class should be listening to us not themselves.",
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"content": "Yes. It would be! Are you fucking kidding me?\n\nYeah, Kamala coming into the nomination, scrambling for a VP, the four months of coverage **fully** focused on the chaos of Dems?",
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"content": "exactly he should drop down now to give time for the new person\n\nbesides Biden already gave the idea of a short primary before the convention",
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"content": "Biden didn’t pitch the blitz primary, dumbfuck donors did. Donors with financial interests in it happening.\n\nNo, there isn’t time to do anything but damn the Democrats as chaotic and weak. Like, I don’t know how you’ve convinced yourself of this. There weren’t other options two weeks ago, and there are less now.",
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"content": "yes, he did in Morning Joe. he said go ahead and challenge me in the convention.\n\nThis is a hole they dig themselves for not having a real primary",
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"content": "That’s not the blitz primary that went around. He isn’t calling for a primary, he’s calling for a contested convention.\n\nAnyone announce yet?",
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"content": "not sure yet. haven't been paying attention to the news today.\n\nI am being very discouraged by what Biden has said, he still thinks that if he loses it will be okay. not now that Presidents are Kings!!",
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"content": "so i've been educating myself on the capitalist and socialist death count debate and this is what i came up with.\n\nso first the definition of capitalism: capitalism is the mode of production of which the ownership of the means of production is privately owned by the few/capitalist. the capitalist utilize the ownership of the means of production to get people to work for them. the worker doesn't own the means of production and has no say in the control of the means of production.\n\nthe definition of state planned socialism (historically most socialist countries): socialism is the mode of production of which the means of production is owned communally/publicly/by the workers. the workers communally selects what they want to produce/ how they want to produce it. the workers communally selects what state plans they want for the economy. all wealth and resources is equally distributed to all workers. socialism is based on need. if people do not need something it will not be produced or at least not produced that much.\n\nso how do we know if capitalism caused or ignored a preventable death: capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. if the private owners of the means of production kills somebody or ignores a preventable death that they can save it is added to the capitalist death toll.\n\nso how do we know if socialism caused or ignored a preventable death: socialism is public ownership of the means of production. if the public/working class owners of the means of production collectively kills somebody or collectively ignores a preventable death that they can save it is added to the socialist death toll.\n\nwhy the black book of communism is silly:\n\nnazi deaths are counted as victims of communism. nazis weren't socialist. the nazis killied and imprisoned socialist/communist. in fact they privatize industry that used to be public.\ncounting non births as deaths. so what this book does is if in a country that used to 4 children birth rate and dropped to 2 children birth rate after a socialist revolution and those 2 other children that wouldve been born is now considered a \"victim of communism\" this is silly you can't be a victim of anything if you don't exist because you can't experience anything to be a victim.\ntwo of the authors admit to having lower estimates\npulling numbers out of thin air\ncounting pragmatists as \"victims of communism\"\nmain author being obsessed with reaching 100 million\nnoam chomsky stated that if we were to say the same about india. 1917 through 1979 already 100 million people would have died. an argument to this is that india's constitution calls itself socialist. my counter argument is this wiki paragraph\n\nSocialism in India is a political movement founded early in the 20th century, as a part of the broader movement to gain Indian independence from colonial rule. The movement grew quickly in popularity as it espoused the causes of India's farmers and labourers against the zamindars, the princely class and the landed gentry. After independence and until the early 1990s, socialism shaped some economic and social policies of the Indian government, although they mostly followed the principles of dirigisme.\\1])\\2]) After this period, India moved towards a more market-based economy. Though, India is officially declared a socialist state as per the constitution.\n\nso they half assed socialism and instead just practiced dirigisme. which if you don't know what is dirigisme. dirigisme is a form of capitalism but just lots of state intervention(it's a bit more complicated than that but you catch my drift). just because someone calls themselves something it doesn't mean they are. india wasn't socialist. so the 100 million people that died was do to capitalism.\n\nalso 41 million people dies from preventable diseases a year. every 10 years 410,000,000 people dies from a preventable death. from 1950 to 2024 we could've saved 3 billion people. we can 100% prevent these deaths. but the rich chose not to. because it isn't profitable.\n\nwhile the cuban government is going out their way to help people from covid for free or nearly for free.\n\nhere are some videos:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClLKm8Q8Pns\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5LMxXC8qWg&t\n\nEdit: I was being gracious here the real tally exceeds 10 billion",
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"content": "I’m sure people would die of preventable diseases under communism too",
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"content": "Sometimes I question wether I am in a leftist sub\n\nUnder communism problems are solved because they are beneficial to society rather than profit under capitalism the only reason these deaths happen is because its not profitable",
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"content": "I don‘t agree with all your comments, or that you thought this subject is worth your attention. But I agree with you here and I can admire the parts of your arguing that are decidedly communist",
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"content": "THESE PEOPLE ARE SO MUCH FUN!!!!",
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"content": "Maybe this is a hot take idk, but i think some people have a hard on for loosing so they can feel even more oppressed then they already are. I just cant understand the mindset of seeing people on your side finally being enthusiastic and having hope and doing work to win and then just cross your arms and say \"nuh huh\"",
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"content": "This is part of it. Especially socialists....i mean come on you really think this country will just switch to socialism overnight?",
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"content": "It’s a great day to for the inauguration of our first blasian president. It’s not too cold thanks to climate change but it’s just right. I think they’re about to get the inauguration started. Biden appears to have brought a bible for Kamala to swear in on — and what’s this? It’s Kamala’s, Marxist father coming in with wha looks like — yes yes it is! I can’t believe it. He’s brought the steel copy of Das Kapital and has smacked President Biden with it",
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"content": "Seeing Pelosi endorse an open convention is starting to make me think AOC was right ",
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"content": "Yeah I'm not a fan of this idea. I've been hearing that they want to allegedly get rid of Harris and I think that is a horrible idea. She is not charismatic, yes, but she is the only realistic replacement. She can also realistically build up that charisma by holding more events and doing powerful speeches surrounding LGBTQ+ rights, abortion, and Project 2025.",
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"content": "What’s worse is this is donor driven so they probably want to replace Biden-Harris with someone even more moderate. I hope we don’t get stuck with the American equivalent of Keir Starmer",
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"content": "It's hard to get more moderate than Biden. Biden has been one of the most conservative moderate Democrats for the past several decades without being an outright Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, Sam Nunn, or Max Baucus. Someone more \"moderate\" than him would just be an outright Conservdem like Josh Gottheimer, Jon Tester, John Delaney, Connor Lamb, or Joe Manchin. Yick.",
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"content": "How does your claim compare to the policies he actually put in place during his presidency? He was vehemently pro-union; his NLRB passed the biggest piece of pro-labor reg in decades resulting directly in massive strikes across the nation. He also negotiated with the rail strikers behind the scenes to get them the sick leave they demanded. He forgave huge amounts of student loan debt, I think nearly 200 billion dollars now. He put green energy plans into law in the infrastructure bill and inflation bill. He pardoned federal drug offenders who were charged with simple possession, and is moving marijuana to schedule 3. How is this the most \"conservative\" democrat policies? How progressive are the rest of the dems in that case?",
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"content": "I wouldn't say \"vehemently\" pro-union. While Biden has been the most pro-union President in the past 40 years, that's such a goddamn low bar. It's like being the tallest 5th grader. Biden did break rail strikes and protect train companies after those derailments and explosions. His record on labor as President has been mixed compared to Democratic Presidents of the New Deal and Great Society era before Carter.\n\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/01/joe-biden-rail-strike-labor-unions\n\n\nhttps://www.thenation.com/article/politics/labor-president-joe-biden/\n\n\n> He forgave huge amounts of student loan debt, I think nearly 200 billion dollars now. He put green energy plans\n\n\nI didn't say he's done nothing at all, but the bar is so low he just clears the very bar of the past 45 years. I could list how harmful many things in his BIF bill was (hence why it was bipartisan in the first place, Republicans would never support actual pro-worker). Like privatizing more roads and bridges and allowing more fee and toll hikes.\n\n\n> How is this the most \"conservative\" democrat policies? \n\n\n1) I never said he's the most conservative. He's one of the most conservative moderate Democrats.\n\n\n2) That's the not the totality of what he's done. You're choosing Biden’s highlights, but not the totality of his presidency. I could list Biden’s lows and fuckery as well. Which the articles get into a little bit. There are things beyond his decent economic policies. Like his horrid Israel policy.\n\n\n> How progressive are the rest of the dems in that case?\n\n\nAOC, Bernie Sanders, Katie Porter, Elizabeth Warren, etc. easily blow Biden out of the water on unions, labor, consumer finance, environmental policy positions, etc.",
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"content": "Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/2024-election-campaign-updates-biden-trump-rally/#link-E6S6KETYXZGRBPKBRXNMAL3RAU\n\nYes I know Vaush is talking about it on stream. I want to open up third chat.",
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"content": "I don't think it'll matter. The people who think it was the democrats will just say that he switched party affiliations in preparations",
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"content": "There should be a record of that",
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"content": "Yes he registered republican in 2021. It's not gonna change people's minds though",
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"content": "So on a scale of 1-10, how doomed are we",
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"content": "Biden had a phenomenal presidency, and I genuinely believe all the calls to have him drop out are right wing psyops and amplified by right wingers. I think if he drops out then pelosi will replace him with someone more center right, as AOC stated in her video",
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"content": "AOC is an idiot.\nBiden sounds like he’s dying whenever he has to engage with someone off teleprompter ",
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"content": "AOC is not an idiot. She is correct. They will replace him with a manchin or sinema type Dem, basically a Dino. \n\nBiden can sound however, sounding a certain way doesn't mean your mental processes are such. I disagree he sounds so bad. His track record is really the only variable I look at.",
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"content": "Dems are going to fuck up the swap ",
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"content": "The only way they fuck it up is if Biden fucks over Harris and makes it a open convention, which would make him the most hated man in the party if they lose. I despise Biden but I can’t see him destroying his legacy that blatantly",
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"content": "Biden has a better chance of winning than Harris. This country *is* that misogynistic and racist, and that is why Trump is able to be a nominee in the first place.\n\n\nBiden also has a better chance of winning if he shows he doesn't back down. His base will hate it - but the screwy independents who like to see the establishment get told to piss off will respect it.\n\n\nAn open convention and whatever nominee comes out of it will just be a flusterfuck that makes Trump look like a reasonably organized statesman by comparison.",
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"content": "Smoking hard copium",
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"content": ">And anyone who right now wants to prevent Trump from winning, the best thing to do is to stop talking about replacing Biden until an actual fucking PLAN develops\n\nThis makes no sense. If there is a plan or not, or whenever there is a plan we won't be privy to it. Why should the engagement be limited by something no one will know until it happens? If everyone all suddenly stops talking about how much biden sucks then you run the risk of them thinking everyone folded and fell in line behind him, something that is disastrous \n\n>so what good is it to talk about it as if there is?\n\nIf this is the attitude everyone holds then shit wont ever get done. \"Shit sucks suck it up\"? Fuck that jesus Christ\n\nBiden ***isn't*** the nominee yet. Why are people acting like he is. There is no benefit to shutting up for 3 weeks until the convention when this is the *closest* he's ever gotten to maybe, just maybe droping out. If you operate under the thought that Biden sucks, why fall in line before the convention???",
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"content": "I disagree. I want a plan or at least a few people that are open to being nominated. I keep seeing list of \"contenders\" none of which have even said they would try for the nomination and the list include Michelle Obama. What if they push him to finally step down and no one on the list opts to run. Michelle Obama has only stated she explicitly will not ever run, but I'm suppose to just trust this \"plan\". Hard pass.",
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"content": ">I disagree. I want a plan or at least a few people that are open to being nominated.\n\nWhatever the plan would be, we wouldn't know \n\n>none of which have even said they would tr\n\nWhich is why he should step down and let his vice president do his job",
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"content": "Know the potential contenders to replace Biden isn't too much to ask. Especially if they want people comfortable with the decision.",
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"content": "Just a quick rant. Im seeing this sentiment a lot that \"Anti-electoral leftists should feel free to vote their conscience, but **Argument here**\"\n\nI think this is Foolish. If youre not voting for the Best viable candidate then you deserve ridicule. This is not just limited to leftists, I have spent this entire cycle trhing to flip the Trump Supporters in my life. Trump Voters deserve riducule for Malice, Cornell West Voters deserve ridicule for foolishness, and anti Electoral types deserve ridicule for pride. ",
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"content": "I don't think ridicule is very persuasive. While I certainly recommend voting blue, vote shaming doesn't really help. Making this a moral desert thing also seems a bit juvenile. Anti-electoralism should be intellectually challenged, not made fun of. Empathy is a good thing for a reason.",
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"content": "No were past trying to convince them. They need to be made fun of so as to not be popular. This isnt a matter of convincing, much like Arguing with Nazis",
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"content": "I'm sorry, but just based on how you write, I don't think you've ever been able to dictate what's cool or popular at any point in your life.\n\n\nWhy is this different?",
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"content": "https://epgn.com/2024/07/05/western-pennsylvania-trans-girl-killed-dismembered/\n\nI know this isn't explicitly Vaush content, but I feel like this community is very trans rights oriented. This horrible crime is not being tried as a hate crime and I haven't seen the story gain much traction outside the local news. Justice for Pauly",
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"content": "\"Acker, the prosecutor, said Likens’ death is one of the worst crimes he’s seen in 46 years as an attorney. But he cautioned against calling it a hate crime. “PSP \\[Pennsylvania State Police\\] does not believe it in fact is one \\[hate crime\\] because the defendant admitted to being a homosexual and the victim was reportedly a trans girl,” Acker asserted\"\n\nOof.",
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"content": "That prosecutor is a dumbass. Just because the killer is gay does NOT mean it wasn’t a hate crime. Gay men can be transphobic too (especially them, honestly).",
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"content": "So the other thing to remember is that even though it may meet the standard a conviction is a different story. It requires beyond a reasonable doubt, and hate crime convictions are VERY hard to get. Plus bringing a charge you might not get can hinder your ability to get other, more easily proven crimes.",
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"content": "Let me put this into perspective. I am a teacher, and back in the first year I was teaching the Kids engaged in a meme called \"Devious Lick\" where they destroyed the bathrooms and other belongings of the school. When I warned them against this behavior I told them \"There is no bottom limit to how miserable we can make school for you guys.\"\n\nWell, the kids didnt listen, and one student stole a soap dispenser and another jumped on a Sink until it broke off. The school went full survielance state. Kids had to schedule their bathroom breaks, and only see-through backpacks were allowed. Now I think this is miserable, but it proves a point.\n\n\"Just do a Revolution bro\" Leftists have no fucking clue what they are talking about. Internet being monitored for words like \"Organize, Community, Mutual-aid\". Gatherings of more than 5 people being banned. Cameras in front of your doors. VPNs being a crime to use. Secret Police informants, deputized Proud boys. Sword Rockets mailed directly to your car. \n\nIt can be unbelivably bad and these Leftist Coffee and Book Clubs that meet on Tuesday arent gonna be able to do shit. There will not be a revolution. We will be waiting for years for the American Glasnost. \n\nEDIT: I wanna mention the specific attitude im seeing is accelerationist Lefties claiming that Project 2025 openly fascist America will trigger a revolution. Ask the Russian Federation how that's going for them. ",
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"content": "My experience with the revolutionary sentiment comes from my right wing family members/acquaintances, so it annoys the shit outta me when leftists act as dumb.",
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"content": "Oh yeah definitely hear plenty of revolution/civil war talk from my super conservative family. It's still LARPy, but a bit less so since they have been stockpiling guns and ammo since at least Obama's presidency if not before.",
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"content": "There’s not going to be a civil war either, people are divided right now but we are nowhere near the amount of 1800’s friction",
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"content": "So on a scale of 1-10, how doomed are we",
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"content": "If he's not out by the end of July I'd say he's successfully run the clock, it's simply getting too close for this kind of bickering.\n\nThat being said, Biden is cementing this campaign as one where his age and competency will never stop dangling above him. I don't know what exactly his strategy is going to be for future debates, and considering how frail old people can be, what the plan is if Biden's physically prevented from campaigning such as current. Really risking a lot here.",
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"content": "I seriously don't understand what possible strategy they have for the next debate in September with Biden as the candidate. Dodge it, and you rightly get accused of hiding Biden. Do it, and you risk having another apocalyptically bad performance weeks before the election, and as early voting starts.",
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"content": "Well they’ll just rant about elites(milktoast liberals who want to win and avoid fascism ) and point out Biden the incumbent is doing a point better than democrats who’ve barely any name recognition. That’s effectively been their strategy.\n\nThey’ve gotten after Pod Save America and Biden has ranted on morning Joe before getting too tired to finish.\nThe people running his campaign are acting like such big idiots that I wouldn’t be surprised are literally working for trump. Though I suppose the only people Biden would listen to is his stupid, stupid, wife and son who I think need to ostracized.",
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"content": "Its so fascinating how Biden and his more hardcore voters sounds more and more like Trump voters from conspiracy thinking where “they” (in this case major donors and the wealthy) want to stop Biden after he started taxing them (despite the fact they voted for him over Trump in 2020), in how its the media fault for doing their job snd not focusing on the supposed crimes of other people, in their denial of how Biden is objectively getting worse with time. It’s fascinating.",
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"content": "I get being angry at how little flack trump get these days but it’s not the media’s fault Biden can’t campaign.",
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"content": "Will Project 2025 becoming mainstream damage Trump’s chances of winning?",
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"content": "If, and only if, we can make it widely enough known",
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"content": "Mainstream media is picking up on it",
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"content": "Msnbc has been picking up on it for a while, but that's preaching exclusively to the choir.\n\n\nCNN and the other major outlets are still being super reluctant to talk about it.\nUntil Trump's statements the other day most of them hadn't mentioned it once.\n\n\nHopefully we can drag them, kicking and screaming, into telling people the news.... But I'm not convinced. ",
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"content": "That's not how news companies work. Have you seen the headlines for the liberal outlets about the Gaza genocide this year? Those are the headlines and articles being produced when more than half the country thinks there should be an immediate and permenent ceasefire and more than 1/3 of Americans think Israel is commiting a genocide. The QAnon conspiracy got more air time for examination by these outlets than the ICJ evidence of Israel's atrocities. \n\nNow liberals want to ban TikTok.",
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"content": "They were defeated so handedly it just makes me wonder if we can do it here too.\n\nEven the Labour party winning in the UK kinda gives me hope too. i feel like maybe there's more reasonable and empathetic people out there than we realize.\n\n\n\nI dunno i feel hopeful. you?",
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"content": "Very different political climate.",
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"content": "Absolutely. European non-Fascists are winning by Centrists and Leftists uniting. American Neoliberal Centrists will do no such thing. They're not willing. What happened in France is kinda equivalent to Hillary or Biden after winning the Primary in 2016 or 2020 choosing Bernie Sanders as their VP running mate in order to unite the Moderate/Centrist and Conservative Clintonian and Obamite wings of the party with the Liberal, Progressive, and Leftist Sandersian and Warrenite wings of the party, and draw in a majority of Independents since Bernie appeals to Independents more than Hillary or Biden does. The Democratic Party Establishment and DNC have shown time and again they are completely unwilling to do such a thing. They just circle the wagons of doubling and tripling down on hardening and bolstering the Neoliberal wings of the party, then pull a Paul Atreides and stomp their foot while pointing at the ground for everyone to the Left of Pelosi to get down on their knees and kiss the ring of the Neoliberals. Actively seeking to purge and punish any Leftists, Progressives or Keynesian Liberals seeking to get into office or running against any Moderate or Conservative Democratic incumbents. See Jamaal Bowman, Nina Turner, Heath Mello, Jessica Cisneros, Marie Newman, Amy Vilela, Katie Porter, Alex Morse, India Walton, Kara Eastman, Andy Levin, or Ben Jealous, for example. Or Mondaire Jones (before he sold out).\n\n\nIf the French followed the example of the US Democrats it would be Macron absolutely refusing to unite with NFP (all of NFP, not just LFI) and refusing to pull any Ensemble candidates who came in third, even if it means RN wins by Ensemble and NFP splitting the vote. Then Macron saying he's okay with RN winning because he tried his best, and it's all NFP and Melenchon's fault anyway.\n\n\nThe overwhelming vast majority of American Congresspeople are multimillionaires. They figure that if Trump gets elected and sets up a dictatorship that they can just move into their underground doomsday bunker mansions with their staff, servants, and a few dozen paid armed guards and mercenaries, and ride out the storm while the rest of us get put in concentration camps. That's why Biden feels at peace about the prospect of losing to Trump. He thinks he'll never face one of Trump's firing squads or Southern border concentration camps because he's a multimillionaire with a Secret Service detail. The majority of MPs and MEPs in Europe are only upper-middle income. They're way more exposed and don't have the resources to just live underground in a fortified fortress mansion under the Fascists. That and Europeans still have people alive that experienced living under Fascism in the 1920s-1970s (continued into the 70s in Spain and Portugal). America has never lived under Fascism, and most American Democratic politicians take democracy for granted since they've never not had it.",
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"content": "Could you explain the Paul Atreides reference to me? It's been a while since I read the books.\n\nOr was it not deeper than him stomping his foot to attract a sandworm?",
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"content": "Oh, I was referring to the Timothée Chalamet Paul Atreides stomping his foot demandingly at the Emperor near the end of the Denis Villeneuve *Dune Two* as a power move after defeating Feyd-Rautha. Demanding that the Christopher Walken Emperor Shaddam bow at Paul's feet and kiss his ring. I was saying American Moderate and Conservative Democrats treat Liberal, Progressive and Leftist Democrats like Paul forcing Emperor Shaddam IV to bow on submission. Or like Ed Norton's King Baldwin IV in the 2005 *Kingdom of Heaven* forcing Raynald of Chatillon to bow and kiss his ring, then back-handing him several times:\n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UylM6vZNLGY\n\n\nThe French Centrists behaved more like Godzilla teaming up with King Kong (the Leftists) against the Skar King in *Godzilla x Kong*. That's why the Far-Right lost in France. European Neoliberals are often more willing to make an uneasy alliance with the Left. American Neoliberals are more arrogant and ideologically zealous, unwilling to give an inch to anyone to the Left of Hillary and Bill Clinton.",
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"content": "ah, gotchu. thanks",
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"content": "For all you not watching the speech rn, Biden is not stepping down, and he referred to Kamala as “vice president trump”",
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"content": "You guys should watch it. Biden goes in great detail about geopolitics. It’s good to learn something.",
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"content": "Listening to some, he does sound fine. Going into detail about complex policy , not losing his train of thought, more focused. Like the wise politician he’s suppose to be.\n\nIt’s a shame that he had a slow start in the beginning, and that this appearance didn’t happen on the debate stage.",
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"content": "How do you confuse Zelensky with Putin?",
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"content": "My mother fucks up her grandchildren’s names *every time* there’s more than 2 around. She calls my son by MY name. She’s fucking 45.",
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"content": "Wow, that's really really bad. Has she had an early Dementia test because that is not normal at all for a 45 year old (makes me feel a LOT better about my 68 year old mother whose memory has gotten worse lately).",
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"content": "Who would be better than Kamala in Kyle's mind? Did he share his first pick?",
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"content": "I personally preferred Hillary over Kamala. I think Hillary would have been the best, but Kamala is a good choice.",
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"content": "In what world though?",
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"content": "The world where you win if you get the least votes I think",
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"content": "Looks like it’s happening.",
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"content": "HOLY SHIT, if this happens WE ARE SO BACK BABY",
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"content": "We might not win, but at least his replacement will be able to run a presidential campaign. That's the bare minimum, but would still be an improvement over what we have now.",
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"content": "If we don't win we won't have presidential race next time. You literally just fucked all women, queer, trans, and minorities. ",
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