Shriners: Screw you















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          1. You’re 100% correct. I know people who used to work for him. He teaches his people to be pushy. But the biggest problem she had with them is that they are Muslims pretending to be Christians. She said they were cruel to their employees. If an employee fails to meet their quota. They have their already too small hourly pay cut by 50%. If they fail even then. They stop paying them all together, but invite them to stay and keep working for free. Moore says all the exotic names they call all the different lodges were made up by two guys sitting in a bar back in 1933. BUT… All these exotic names have been attached to these lodges for hundreds of years? She says that while she was there. A Shriner died while he was on vacation with his wife in another country. She gave him a Christian burial there. When she got back the other shriners raised all kinds of holy hell. Because being a Shriner. He was supposed to have been buried with ancient mystical rites. Which were evidently NOT Christian! So according to her. There’s something real shady about the shriners!

        1. Do Not give any money to Shriners hospital. They have been in trouble multiple times for their shady practices. A quick Google search of Shriners past scams and other shady practices have earned them a reputation and rating as one of the worst organizations currently out there. They make great commercials with beautiful young kids to make people feel bad and open their wallets unfortunately the money doesnt make it to the kids. Google the top earner of Shriners he make millions per month !!!

          1. Yes it’s okay to use suck, disabled kids to beg for money on several different stations at least twenty times a day. Just saw it again and it’s 10 pm. To me it’s the same as working kids in sweat shops!!! I’m sure it costs for commercial time. I’m tired of all the propaganda and feeding citizens like we don’t have a brain. I think legally this should be looked into. These children should be in school not in front of cameras begging for money. Do parents have to sign contracts for their children to do this? Anybody asked kids if they want to beg for money?

          2. I was a patient and now unfortunately so is my child. The Shriners Hospital in Tampa, fl. has been wonderful for us. The Shrine Temple helps with travel funds and paid hotel stay when needed. We can’t afford insurance and the hospital treats children up to 18 years old free of charge. My child has had 2 procedures so far to help extend his leg. We are very grateful for their services. I’m sorry you had a bad experience with them, but because of the Shriners Hospital, my child can walk and stand straight.

          3. You do not have a clue about what you are talking about. Visit a Shriner’s Hospital. Talk to the parent’s of the kids there. Learn for yourself as to just how full of it you are. You do a terrible disservice to an outstanding organization. To talk without knowledge is criminal.

          4. I kinda thought that the commercials and some of the things advertised isn’t true. How are they paying for commercials, and events or anything that isn’t treatment. I wonder how much Danny Thomas’s daughter makes.

          5. Gina, Shriners have nothing to do with Danny or Marlo Thomas. That’s St. Jude hospital….

          6. Fred, Shriners International and Shriners Hospitals for Children have NEVER been in trouble for “shady” practices. There are a number of third party fundraisers that have been sued for using the Shriners’ name for false fundraising. and there are a number of companies still out there like Shrine Services, and Moore Marketing that make calls calling themselves shriners, but are not. Get your facts straight.

          7. Hey Fred, sir I am a lifetime member of Yaarab Shrine in Atlanta Ga.
            You are so wrong sir on what you are saying.
            I have never heard of a Shriner scam but have heard numerous testimonies from people who was treated by our 22 hospitals and how they are still alive today because of the services our hospitals render. Please get your facts straight.

        2. That’s the proper way, and 85% goes to the cause, which is a great return. I know a child that needed help, and Shriners was great for that family. That’s where my donations go, to Shriners. Don’t donate to the marketers.







          5. As a prior patient of Shriners this makes truly sick. The call you received was a scam. Not maybe, it was. Shriners does not cold call, nor does judge people for not being able to donate.

            Comparing Shriners to the 9/11 fund it also very disappointing. That event was horrible and people are still being affected by it. But I bet you didn’t realize victims from 9/11 may have been treated at Shriners!!! And that was one event.

            Shriners treats every child and teenager no matter the cost. No questions asked. My parents could have afforded my surgery, but it would have drained mine and my sisters college fund. We would be dependent on the state.

            Now, you may not be able to put this together, but since shriners took me as a patient they saved the STATE money. Not just my family.

            The post complained about being judged. Yet you judged an entire medical facility on ONE phone call. Did you do any research? You probably weren’t talking to shriners, idiot. I’m sooooo sorry you can’t afford Starbucks. Maybe next time you’re ruining the earth by creating more trash (instead of making coffee at home) you’ll realize it doesn’t matter how people talk to you on the phone.

            What matters is Dr. D’Mata of Shriners hospital in Portland or. Without him I would be dead right now. I would rather deal with one horrible telemarketer then watch all the poor children of this country die.

            By posting this you’ve made stupid people think it’s okay to think shriners is bad or useless. They won’t do their own research. There is a special layer in hell for people like you,

            Maybe you’d rather people like me die, to help prove you’re point. Also, why is the 99% of the post is about how altruistic you are? Such a lie. If you were really like that, a pushy telemarketer wouldn’t bother you. It would also bother you to talk SHIT about a good, non profit, saint like hospital. If I could I’d beat the shit out of you. Then watch as you realize how expensive medical bills are when you’re unemployed.

            And don’t worry. I’ll find way to get this deleted. I’ve done it before.
            Shriners saves lives. Judgement kills.

          6. You call out above that people are entitled to free speech. True in America, but the Internet is an international network. Further, while people can say whatever they want – provided they take responsibility for it – but as this is my blog, I decide what is and is not posted. Seeing as this post is nearly 16 years old, I’m quite content that you will not be finding a way to delete it, so there is that. Lastly, I’m not sure where your “die” comment is coming from. I don’t wish anyone on this thread personal harm nor have I said anything that should have given that impression.

            That aside, “judging” is having an opinion about something or someone or someone’s action. That’s it – it’s really nothing more. If you judge me as a bad person because I had a horrible call over a decade ago from an organization that harassed me for not giving them money while I was out of work, then by all means: think of me as a bad person. You’re entitled to that opinion! It doesn’t bother me because I don’t know you.
            You opinion means absolutely nothing to me because you aren’t someone in my life. If someone I knew had that opinion, I would respect that and it would cause me to reflect and possibly even take action.
            People I now, I trust and value. People I don’t know? Their opinions don’t weigh on me in the slightest. People forget this little insight all day long on Twitter; that’s their business. For me? Think whatever you like and you’re more than welcomed to continue to comments in support of the organization you cherish.






          2. Do Not give any money to Shriners hospital. They have been in trouble multiple times for their shady practices. A quick Google search of Shriners past scams and other shady practices have earned them a reputation and rating as one of the worst organizations currently out there. They make great commercials with beautiful young kids to make people feel bad and open their wallets unfortunately the money doesnt make it to the kids. Google the top earner of Shriners he make millions per month !!! People are quick to claim they know it all but a small amount of due diligence would show them Shriners is a scam. I’m glad they have helped some people out without the person having any financial responsibility.. ? While Shriners exec’s pocket millions. Check out how much money actually makes it to the poor kids in the commercials.. Shriners rates amongst the worst of any “charity” out there. Pennies for your dollars




          1. Ann, The Bible says that there is a time to judge! It’s in John 7:24 and is called RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT! It means to judge the sin ( action of whet they are song) NOT to condemn but to reconcile them back to God. This teaching is hardly ever taught in our churches but it NEEDS to be! Judge not means not to judge th person themself but judged the practice ! Righteous means to be right with God……If we weren’ to ever Judge then there would be NO judges in our court system. .AMEN!


        6. Please don’t give any money not one dime to a bunch of dope dealing drunks to pay for their drunken parties and trips never knew not one mason or shinerb who was a decent or moral person

          1. Than you have never really known a Shriner. I have never known one who uses or deals dope, that is against God and everything that the Shrine stands for. Yes, some Shriners’ unfortunately do drink and probably to excess, but so do a lot of individuals. Give credit where it is due. The Shrine hospitals for Crippled children and for burn victims, give free care to both kinds of patients. Not a dime of what you give goes for anything else.

        7. You can’t really bash someone for using their right of speech and and their right not to donate. Everyone has financial problems so bashing someone for not having a job is pretty petty and bashing someone for bashing someone is hypocritical and rude. As a good Christian or whatever you may identify with you’re being incredibly insensitive. If someone is going to harass me because I don’t give them my money I wouldn’t donate either. If they want people to donate they should invest in proper training for the people asking. Fact of the matter is if everyone who could realistically donate, those with excessive money for example, if they would donate these companies wouldn’t even need to worry about convincing people to donate. I guess my point is if you’re going to be a part of donating then do it. If you can’t then mind your business and do what YOU can instead of bashing people for being in a frustrating situation. Trust me unemployment doesn’t happen because it’s fun and you want to deprive other people of your money. Even if you did your money is your own concern and NOBODY elses.

          1. I have to say something about free speech and judgement because there appears the be major confusion .

            If he gets free speech, so does everyone else. So you can’t bash people for bashing him, get it?

            Also to get technical about God… ya go by the New Testament and generally is “thou without sin may throw the first stone”

            You can’t get angry with anyone for judging him, because he judged Shriners. Two wrongs don’t make a wrong.

            enjoy you’re free speech and stop telling people their right to speak is wrong. Be a normal internet troll and just say their ideas are stupid

        8. You’re a con artist, They call to Savannah GA as well and insist picking up the check at your door or a credit card. They couldn’t even tell me which kids go to the Shrine circus or the address of the local Alee shrine. I was told that Chris Moore was in charge, and they told me NOT to give money to a Shriner because they put it in a big pot.

        9. What did he do wrong? They called him, he didn’t call them. She solicited a donation, he said he wasn’t in position at this time financially to commit to a pledge, she continued and started becoming intrusive. He finally said, send me the envelope and I’ll see what if anything I able to contribute. That’s a fair response in my opinion. I am fortunate enough to be employed but if she started pulling that crap on me, becoming pushy and trying to guilt me into something, I would be annoyed as well. I think your comments are ridiculous.

          1. I feel that this gentleman has every right to be upset with the lady that called him wanting a donation. Yes, she was very rude but extending the anger to the Shriners is totally out of bounds. I am married to a shriner and they do not operate in the same manner as this employee who made this call while working for the contracted fund raising company. In fact, I do not know of a Shrine group that uses contracted people to do their fundraising for them. Sounds like you might have been shamed . A lot of this groups fund raising comes from the Shrine Circus.

        10. If I say no from the getgo I mean no. Don’t keep asking. That is also very rude. Telemarketer has no idea what the person is going through period

        11. I’ve had the exact same experience. I’m sure the organization is very good but their sales tactics are very pushy. I had a fast talking guy call me and was very pushy and tried putting a guilt trip on me about not helping kids when I asked what percent of the money goes to the kids they are helping. I actually donate a lot of money every year and wanted to know more about the charity. After I wasn’t satisfied I said I would think about it and worked my way off the phone. He called over and over being more and more pushy each time.





        3. I”m so sorry Lori, May GOD wrap his arms around you and your family and give you all of his love.
          Again, I’m sorry

        4. I had to read this out loud couldn’t believe the callousness of the telemarketer. I hope God gave you peace in the time that passed.




          2. Exactly! If you get cold called it’s an outside company. Please don’t judge the hospital based on telemarketer experiences.

            I used to work as a telemarketer, and it’s just as horrible for us. Most people last a few months. Telemarketers aren’t cruel people or sociopaths. It’s a job. That pays based if successful phone calls not the hour.

            I REPEAT
            Shriners will not cold call. That is an outside company calling their behalf. Just hang up . If you wish to donate go online. And you should. They help millions. If underprivileged children


        1. True- the group demanding money on the phone told me NOT to give my money to a friend who is in the Shriners. They are conning people.



      9. Was this call actually legitimate or a scam? It truly sounds like a scam. Unfortunately, for about 1 month, I was working as a caller. I did not just ask for information, off the top of my head. I read from a prepared speech. She sounds like a very uneducated individual, with poor communication skills. The job is very stressful. Supervisors randomly walk around the room and actively listen in. The caller is pressured to meet a quota, which results in pushy and at times rude callers, but I do not believe a caller sounding as described, would pass the extensive training you receive, to even make a call. Companies, such as Shriners do not typically hire caller companies that are that poorly operated. I think if the caller was legitimate, she would have asked to receive a donation via a credit or bank card. I really believe you were very smart to not donate in this manner, because your money would never have reached Shriners. It would probably have ended up in her greedy pocket. Bless you. Currently I have been unemployed. It is difficult on so many levels, and people, such as this woman only reinforce the pain and frustration.

        1. I worked for two weeks at one of these call centers for the Shriner’s Circus. They gave you a few scripts but also let you develop your own. I found it absolutely unbearable, hands down the worst job I’ve ever had. I just can’t be pushy and lack the charisma to try and try and try again and again only to be yelled at and hung up on. Heck I don’t even blame them for getting upset. I had a few people tell me the Shriner’s Circus is unethical because of how the animals are treated. Okay okay, whatever why are you lecturing me about this?

      10. All the funds given to the Shrine, go for the Shrine Crippled Children’s’ Hospital, the Shriner Burn Hospital, and other causes they support. No burn patient or child ever is charged or pays anything for their care. I don’t know of any other charity except the Salvation Army that does as much for anyone as both these organizations do. God bless any who gives. Give locally, and I have never heard of the Shrine calling anyone asking for donations.

      11. ‘Trust you’? Nope. The laws in the US are corrupt. Only %5 of movies raised has to be used by said cause – the rest goes into operations and marketing, with the bulk of it marketing. It’s a moral crime! And I resent charities and foundations for not doing more to create their own marketing process to avoid the greedy 3rd-hand bastards that make all causes look bad – and rob our money.

        Yes, many of those who call are not equipped to respectfully ask for donations; but, in my experience, I blame the lack of laws to protect me form these calls in the first place and the criminal behavior that creates charities and foundations just for the purpose of robbing us.

        As for Shriners – their latest advertising, using Kaleb and a host of other disabled children, has gone too far. They are without conscience. If they want money then lobby the government for a better system that covers such children….like national health care.

        1. Jay
          Could you please quote to me the exact section of Federal law you are referring to?
          I think you are confusing that 5% rule with how much the Clinton Foundation was actually donating to charity.

          As far as the Shriners using “Kaleb and a host of disabled children”, for their latest advertising, “going too far”, I’ll bet you plunk down more money per week to watch Hollywood actors portray a fake narrative with made up lines in a pure fantasy environment. THESE KIDS ARE NOT FAKE! And they have talent. Why not use it to their and many other’s disabled advantage?

          Your last sentence explains it all, “If they want money then lobby the government for a better system that covers such children….like national health care.” Let us ask disabled Veterans how that “government system” is working out for them.

        2. Jay
          Well, I’ll respond a second time, since my first response was quashed for some reason. Must have been on the mark.

          Could you please quote the Law you are referring to about only 5% needing to go toward the actual purpose of the donation. I think you are confusing that with the figure of how much Of the Clinton Foundation donations actually went toward a charitable cause.


          How much money do you shell out weekly to watch fake actors reading made up lines about a fantasy environment or story plot. Those kids are real and their stories are real. They truly have talent. Why can’t they use that talent to help other disabled children? Also, can we ask disabled Vets how well that “government system” is working for them?

      12. Thank you @ALISHA. My daughter was a burn victim in 1982. Telemarking is a horrible job but there are so many needy children out there and Shriners work miracles. From burn patients, to orthopedics and in between. They work with all who have absolutely NOTHING to give and when these children come back for followup visits-FOR YEARS-, they will try anything they can to help the child. They are not fly by night surgeons and nurses and caretakers, they are THE BEST! I understand frustration with telemarking but let’s just remember the precious children. Who. by the way, are cared for until they are completely better, or 21 years of age. If you don’t trust a telemarketer. Then, call the actual institution of your choice and ask how to give monthly to the cause. @ screw you shriners!!




        1. Yes, and my nephews WERE treated by them (one at Shriners’ Hospital for massive burns; the other one at the Scottish Rite.)


      4. The Shrine and Shriner’s, do not call and ask for donations, ever. And you need to check your facts or information. The Shrine CEO, is a voluntary office and he doesn’t get one red cent of salary. Again every dime given to the Shrine goes to help a crippled child or a burn victim and none are ever turned away.




        1. Janet,

          Welfare and SS disability are 2 very different things!


        2. Alcoholics and addicts don’t get social security. But as it’s an actual disease and a real, quality rehab that works costs money, maybe it should.




      2. That’s horrible. They can have a normal. I have scoliosis, 57 degrees curvature. By 27 I would have died from organ failure.

        Now I am straight, though I have a fused spine and chronic pain. It’s known as an invisible disability. And yet, I’m a living a normal life. I’m not a freak nor do I feel like one.

        It’s people like you who make the world horrible for the disabled. As long as people don’t judge us, we’re capable of anything.




      3. Antoinette,


      4. M sir I am a Shriner I know what you’re talkin about what airtime cost but we get it donated to us I am one of the head Shriners in charge of Shriners hospitals for children if you have any questions call me directly I will make certain that any kid that needs help does not have to pay a dime these ads and post saying that Shriners called them are fraudulent Shriners don’t make calls for donations and Danny Thomas that started st. Jude’s was so impressed with the Shriners that he joined the Shriners I would do anything I can to help a kid and make sure there is zero cost feel free to email me directly

        1. Tim thank you for comment. Not sure if you’ll see this. I’ve only been commenting because this post made me so angry! I had a spinal fusion for scoliosis when I was 14 at Shriners in pdx. It could have been a truly horrible experience.
          When my family and I found out that a non profit hospital existed there was so much pressure relieved. I was convinced I was losing my college fund and would have to find some way to get a job.
          Shriners paid for gas, the hotel. I had nurse who would work 18 hour shifts only because she knew I didn’t like the night nurse. She made me comfortable and her hair was cool. The best part, dr dmato got my spine complete straight.

          To this day my family still donates $20/month to Shriners and my dads company ,hp, matches it. $40 all together. I personally donate $10.

          Without Shriners I would have died or spent my life in poverty. With the added diagnosis of epilepsy, chronic pain, depression, poverty would have not helped the situation.

          I explain this so people reading will realize the gravity of spreading conspiracy theories about Shriners Hospital for Children. I’m ecstatic someone actually involved with hospital offered information. Has anyone actually emailed you?
          Anywho. Thank you for all the work you do.
          To the readers, stop making assumptions. Shriners really is a non profit. No one there is rolling in cold hard cash or involved in crazy plots. You have to want to help people to work there, basically.

        2. Sir does your Temple pay nobles to solicit donations or sell circus program ads? I always thought Nobles/Shriners were volunteers.
          Nobles use to accumulate “circus points” for selling circus program ads. Shriners/Nobles could cash in points for special merchandise like a Shrine Circus Jacket, ball cap, watch etc.
          In 2005, the elected Potentate GW Trenary and his Divan incorporated “paying ” Shriners/Nobles a percentage to solicit donations and sell ads.
          The pubic believe Shriners are volunteers when they are approached by a Shriner asking for a donation or selling a circus ad. Please advise if “paid Shriners” verses , “hired telemarketers” has become a nationwide policy. I know Shriners today are no longer the wealthy elite; judges, doctors, lawyers, circus owners and other professional men they once were. However, I would like to think Shriners induct new members that can “support themselves” and not take from the kids. Paying Shriners commission on circus ads and donations could easily lead to “corruption” in the Temple.
          Go to Akdar Shrine Temple Tulsa, OK Facebook page circus appreciation photos . Every year in April , Akdar Shriner posts circus appreciation dinner photos . You will see in the photo section, the circus chairman handing out paychecks to Akdar Shriners .
          I also wonder who pays for The “Potentates Ball”, “The Potentates Cruise ” and The Potentate “customs designed clothing wear line ” that Potentate selects for members of the Divan crew & their wives and The Potentate and his wife to wear annually , to show “their status” each year when a new Potentate take his oath of Office. Potentates that haven’t been selected and inducted into the Jesters, chose purple themed clothing wear in hopes of becoming a Jester. “Jesters” keep Shrine Temples , members of the divan , the recorder’s office and , Potentate ” in line” in NE Oklahoma.
          Thank you in advance .
          RoseAnne Munson


        I wish they did.


      1. I hate to say this but the post is true. I’m staying in Myrtle Beach, SC right now and a Shriners convention/parade is happening here. The hotel I’m staying in is filled to the brim with Shriners and let me tell you, drunk and loud are two words that fit this group perfectly. I used to have so much respect for this organization but after seeing this fiasco they will get nothing from me ever again.
        I am on vacation with a disabled person and these Shriners are the worst behaved and the most rude I’ve ever seen. They park in all the handicapped spots and of course they aren’t handicapped whatsoever. They are boisterous and extremely loud. They honestly are nothing but a bunch of drunks.
        I’ve honestly never seen anything like I’ve seen on my trip to Myrtle Beach.



      1. No need to drag race into this problem. Unfortunately, nasty racists like you always have and will exist. “Broke ass” idiots like you will always troll!




        1. Truth hurts Kaz. Repent. Or burn with these demonic men for as long as enternity shall allow. What’s done in the dark shall be brought to the light. They all know.

    13. You are absolutely right. I too donate to several charities and they all ask for my credit card over the phone. I always tell them know, I tell them to send me an envelope and I’ll send a check for a specified amount. Even after they send me the “form” I look them up on the BBB and also on a couple different Charity Navigators and if their CEO’s, Advertising, etc. gets the lions share, I send them a letter back explaining why I’ve changed my mind and not to contact me again. The DAV is reputable as is my favorite, St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital. Always check.

    14. Guy’s You are the DUMB ones. Did you run a check on these Low Life Bums and check them out. Tell them to send there literature out to you an then check them out with the BBB. Shame on you for not doing your Homework.

    15. I am a Shriner this call was a fraud we do not make calls asking for donations I’m sorry you thought it was a Shriners call but I guarantee you it was not we don’t do that

    16. Where did you get this information? Shriners hardly cold calls people and the donations are all the money. You really think that 80 percent of donations are going to telemarketers? Who would pay for all the surgeries? Conspiracy theories can’t work you know. Large groups can’t keep secrets

    17. My grandfather passed away a few years ago at 88 years old after running a funeral business for over 50 years. His mind was going for the past several years. He had enough money to send all of his great grandkids (24) to college and graduate school completely free with plenty left over. Initially a will was made up for his estate to go to his kids. A Shriners advocated convinced my grandfather to sign a will over to the Shriners. We actually had to purchase his cars if we wanted them at fair value. Additionally the contents of the house so we could posses his purple heart and love letters from grandma in his navy trunk from Korean war. I will never send any money to the Shriner and tell anyone that even mentions them what they did to our family. To top that off we found out that the advocates sons college was paid for by my grandfathers estate. How nice of my Grandfather… sure that was meant for him. My father debated printing the story on a full page add in the newspaper. Eight of his grandchildren were the pallbearers, including myself. Makes me sick even thinking how our family was treated.

    18. As a Shriner- who has sold tickets and ads for the Shrine Circus events- yes telemarketers have/are still being used. About 20% of what they raise goes to that Shrine. EACH STATE RUNS ITS OWN SHRINES. Rach Shrine runs its own circus. There is a national level of AAONMS. Shriners sell local ads, tickets. Depending upon the size of the Shrine- the units also sell the toys, work the ticket booth, sell the programs, manage getting everything in place, etc. the smaller Shrines may contract the entire process. That circus sets up everything,sells the hot dogs, toys, programs, handles security, etc and the Shrine collects a %. Those $$ go for the Shrine operating expenses, portions to the various units ( clowns, Karvettes, band, etc) for upkeep on the units assets( karts. Horns, drums, storage facilities). CHARITABLE fund raisers- are the street corner donations- for the hospitals 100% goes to the hospitals( maybe a liilte spent on pizza for the guys and wives standing on the corners all day). We have zip control over the telemarketers. If you want to donate to the Shriners in say- tickets for kids to attend the circus( I used to give all my tickets to single moms I knew) contact a Shriner and ALL your $ will go to those tickets- at a group price( like 100 tickets bought at a discounted price- I sell them at a reduced price and my unit gets the difference and the buyer gets a % off. I have placed 20-50 tickets at stores for the owner/mgr to sell, or use as incentives. Summary- do bidness with a Shriner to get the full bang for your$. Fill up the bucket in May when we are on the street corners. And go to the circus! Better yet- find out what it takes to be a Shriner- and YOU raise $ for the hospitals and kids!







      And the minimum donation level started at $150 for businesses!



    4. Thank you for this information. I want to donate to charities that are true charities, which give the care with or without the family being able to pay. I will add Shriners to my monthly donation list. The only other I do monthly is St. Jude’s. Others are hit and miss but these 2 are certainly deserving.







        2. The woman on the phone was rude. She kept on and on. He was a little Braggy but he was in a bad way himself at the moment. The people who have these phone jobs need some training, they would have better results




    2. Look here, retard, he is not anti-American! Anyone unemployed or possibly homeless is anti-American? Go try to talk that horseshit to someone HOMELESS/POOR here in the Bay Area, especially San Francisco, Berkeley, and Oakland. You will get beaten up faster than you open your nasty filthy mouth. He wasn’t bashing the organization, you hopeless idiot! He was criticizing the ass-headed caller who had no respect for his current situation. He didn’t feel like donating, that’s all! Maybe you wouldn’t understand unemployment, cause you’ve never been unemployed! Go waddle back to your 1%, rich neighborhood. Filthy anti-American Joe Blanchard- the ANTI AMERICAN scumbag who wouldn’t know empathy if it kicked him in the face!


    By the way, bite me.











  10. Randy


    apologize for the rude lady that called you.



    T. Scalf






    3. Mr. Scalf-
      How much does TAARAB Temple pay nobles to solicit donations or sell circus program ads? I always thought Nobles/Shriners were volunteers.
      Thank you in advance .
      RoseAnne Munson

  11. Randy


    Keep up the board sometimes we all need to VENT

    T. Scalf














    I *69’d him with no luck.





  21. I am in Victoria BC Canada,


    there is a shriners scam going on.





    1. @ me,

      Kinda like YOU are Over Reacting!!!

      Your whole post was Ridiculous.

      P.s. YOU are the IDIOT!!!


    An Old Employee that used to work there

    23 Oct 2013 | 4 replies






























    Call Type: Telemarketer

    1. Katherine,
      Great information. Thank you for taking the time to share this lengthy and very accurate post. I hope readers value what you shared and STOP giving to telemarketers.Your post is one hundred percent correct .
      Please contact me. I am starting a company to advise donors about smarter giving choices and would love to collaborate ideas. I was a non-profit and political fundraiser for 35 years. The last 8 years I have worked as an advocate for abused and neglected children and am an advocate for the voiceless. Donors , PLEASE call the pubic school in your community. Ask which program at the schools are safety net programs for kids and give directly. Examples, Backpack food program, after school programs, Boys and Girls Club , Foster Care Programs, Infant Crisis Nurseries to name a few. Ask for the school counselor or school based social worker at the school. School councilors can direct you where immediate funding can do the most good for children in your community that are suffering, specially through the holidays. Donors, please stop giving to telemarketing companies on behalf of charities or circuses. The telemarketing company and circus producer go hand in hand. One gets 75 percent the other gets 25 percent The shrines get a percentage of sales at the gate. Each Shrine organization has a circus contract with a circus producer. The circus producer hires a telemarking company. In many contracts, the circus producer guarantees the Shrine club a flat fee. The circus and telemarketing company make 100 percent of the money they raise, less the guaranteed fee to the Shrine organizations.
      I know of one Shrine Temple that “pays” its Shriners to solicit money and sell ads. That is misconduct , they present themselves as volunteers when they approach a local business soliciting a donations . Please , don’t contribute Shrine Circus circus . If you want to take your own kids to a circus , fine, but please don’t donate to send “underpriledges kids” to the circus.
      The parents cant afford to take the children even if the child has a free ticket. The parents ticket is not free. It is a sales tactic. Call the Shrine Hospitals directly and ask for the developemt department. Send your gift directly to one of the Shrine Hospitals, if that is your favorite cause . Please don’t give to your local shrine club or Shrine Temple. It is considered a fraternal gift and is not tax deductible. Fraternal organizations do as their board votes to do with the money they raise. Fraternal donations pay mortgages on large buildings , upkeep Potentates Balls parties, travel etc. If you want to support a local shrine group, buy some vidella onions when Shriners sell them around town. They make 50% profit and you are get a good product for your money .


      RoseAnne Munson ( email address, I check most frequent)
      You can reach me by by text: (918) 533-4232













    1. @ Marshall,

      How is this guy insecure because he WAS unemployed!??
      Also, he definitely is NOT being Selfish either!

      He WAS just sharing HIS experience!





  37. Dear Randy,
    People are just a bit thin skinned these days, eh.
    Take care & have a blessed day.
    Respectfully yours, doug






  41. Hello Folks,
    Forget the rest!, listen to me!!!

    I am a Freemason and a Schriner!











    1. It seems that way to me as well. When looking into donating to an organization, I don’t do it via telemarketers, but directly instead. There are online resources like Charity Navigator or Guidestar that help you to know if your funds are going to “administration” or the actual services. Some organizations manage their donations better than others. In looking at Shriner’s, they are listed as 4 stars (our of 4). I see many testaments here to the good they have done. I pray that Randy’s rants will be constructive to help others see the truth (goodness) vs. what is a lie (evil).


    My daughter was born 3 1/2 mo. premature, weighing a mere 1 lb.12 oz., with a 7% chance of being born alive. As a result, she had physical disabilities that required surgery. As if this weren’t bad enough, a (nameless) family member swindled my entire life savings leaving us homeless and penniless. A friend of mine who was affiliated with the Shriners told me to contact them for free medical assistance, which I did but they ignored us. 28 yrs later I have built a multi-million dollar real estate empire. I will never forget how badly Shriners treated us, so all charitable donations are only to animal rescue organizations where those in need get help. Definitely not Shriners!

  52. We are screwed, now he announces like his son he endorses (Freemasons) Shriners Charity Networks, our nations largest convicted underage philanthropic child sex slavery network. With over 38,000 documented (FBI 2010 Indianapolis Indiana Brotherhood/Shriners Charity networks) and detailed rapes by highest level members across the nation. These are Freemasons/administrators in over 192 lodges and shrines of all rites. An average of 350 serial child rapists at minimum per state that are protected by ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT. We are screwed by these people who are also are largest drug cartel operating from every courthouse across the nation. In 2010 StJudes/SHriners used over 400 MILLION in charity donations to run their private child slavery network and wrote off child sex parties of up to 600k per party to taxpayers (lost their non profit status in did they get it back). Shriners/St Judes keep 95% of all donations for administrative purposes. Giving 5% or less to their cause. Each year Shriners/ST Judes keep 14 years of donations for themselves, in ten years they keep for illegal crime 140 years worth of childrens charity donations for themselves and in the meantime our nations largest CONVICTED kidnappers, rapists, organ harvesters and murderers of children in the U.S. and ABROAD. POS shithole politicians…. could never have corrupted our country without the help of the Irish Mafia whom are the most prolific violators.

    1. Wow! Your information is quite outlandish and patently false. I doubt you could prove the documentation of any of this.

  53. Here’s an idea. These parent’s that depend on and use the free medical through Shriners, maybe they should serve time cold calling/calling for donations. They can give back to organizations that have helped their familys.

    Sorry if u don’t like what I got to say, I have had/raised my daughter. I am thankful every day she was/is healthy and had no problems (my insurance wouldn’t cover).

  54. I get calls of this sort all the time. When I tell them my husband and I are seniors, on a fixed income and helping to support 4 grandchildren, they persist in their pursuit of a smaller donation. That is when I cut loose on them with, “What is it, you don’t understand about fixed income and supporting 4 grandchildren? I think my husband and I need a little financial support, don’t you?” I then hang up and block their number, as useless as that always seems to be.

  55. It’s very interesting some of the comments who are trashing this guy. He is absolutely right. They bothered HIM! He was polite but the caller wasn’t. Out of work, working, it doesn’t matter. YOU decide where or IF you donate. Since when does someone have to justify anything!

    I used to get calls supposedly wanting Police donations. I refused. I’ve been a vixtim of crime and the Police acted like they were doing me a favor by showing up! Years ago I was driving with a passenger and we were sideswiped by a van and I slammed into a snowbank. I was fortunate no one was on that swath of highway or I would’ve been killed. Some Good Samatitans had a cell and called. Did the ambulance show up? NO! Did the Highway Patrol show up? NO! Fortunately I and my passenger were just shaken up and the Good Samaritans dug us out and I thanked them profusely. Then we went on our way. Years later who did I get UNSOLICITED calls fro ? Police expecting ME to help finance their Policemens’ Ball. I said NO! I will NOT pay for their entertainment. Your job as a Police officer is to help! It’s too much quit! But I will NOT finace you! Whwn I needed Police they acted like they were doing ME a favor. Yet my tax money helps support them! Do I donate to the Hifhway Patrol? NO! When I needed them, whwn they were called by someone else they didn’t show. Think I’m going to support you? NO! They don’t like it? Tough!

    I had a few months back someone claiming to seek donations to help my local Police. I refused. Pressure pressure. I was taught as a kid that no means NO! We don’t have to explain, defend or justify anything. And I quit a telemarketer job hating bothering people. I was NEVER nasty or pushy. It wasn’t worth the crappy pay. I was always polite because I have been on phone customer service and it was made very clear. No means no, always be polite and thank them for their time.

    Our homes are OURS! I don’t need to answer the door and if I choose to I have the right to politely say leave. You don’t yeas I’ll get testy. You weren’t invited so don’t tell ME how I have to behave. I have the right to NOT answer the phone or put it on answering machine. I have the right NOT to return a stranger’s call. I didn’t ask you to call, and I have every right to say no thank you on donations. I control where my money goes! If I choose to donate I will call YOU!

    How dare you people trash this guy! You’re helped by these people great! No one else is obligated. He was polite, she kept after him and he has every right to be how he was. They wouldn’t take no for an answer then they hung up on him. He doesn’t owe them anything or feel bad over how he was. It was HIS privacy violated!

    There are too many scammers out there.

    And as for him missing his coffee and one of you getting an attitude? I know exactly what he’s going through. I’ve gone through 10 years of financial heck! I miss my car I had to give up! I know what it means to go hungry! I know what it’s like to jump through hoops to get food from people claiming they help. I know what it’s like to do without. Those things suddenly turn i to a luxury. People have never been through some financial hardship are clueless! Take away your fancy schmantzy Smart Phone and you’ll be missing it too! Ya might even learn to have a little empathy when others go without.

    This man isn’t judging all by the snot who called him he’s judging that person alone and he has the right. They bothered HIM! They wouldn’t take no for an answer. He should’ve hung up to save them the trouble.

    His money his choice to donate job or no. If others want to give money to a cold caller they don’t know, they didn’t ask to call who can say anything? Be your guest! Others don’t need to explain, defend, justify their actions to others!

    Do not call lists don’t work by the way.

  56. I think this man had a right to say what he did! I can’t tell you how many times I’m called for donations. policeman galas, firemen, clothes donations.

    The most absurd ones are from the Highway Patrol. In 1993 I was driving with a passenger. It was winter. We were going onto the highway and a we got sideswiped by a van goeing the wrong way. I ran into a snow bank. I had no cell at the time and he didn’t. Well these Good Samaritans came and as they were digging us out they called the Highway Patrol. We could’ve been killed becauae as I was trying to avoid that van I had to cross highway to end up in that snowbank and could’ve been killed. No traffic fortunately. Who came? NO ONE! NO ambulance, NO Police, NO Highway Patrol! And they had the nerve to demand money from me?

    I told one guy who was nasty soliciting for the Policemen’s Gala I told him I don’t finance their parties! My taxes pay Police and Fire. Had no guilt for hanging up.

    I sympathize with those getting treatment for breast cancer. But I did NOT give them my number. They tried the guilt trip and hung up!

    My money is MY money. I decide who or IF I give or where. If I choose to donate anywhere I will call THEM!

    I just saw a Shriner’s Christmas commercial with the kids. Know what ticks me off about it? Displaying these kids to feel sorry for. Making THEM do the pitxh. So are people helping because they care or because they feel sorry for them? These kids should be treated NOT exploited.

    So my advice is this. Don’t donate to anyone soliciting by phone. You didn’t call them they intruded on you. They won’t take no for an answer. If you want to donate to anyone you call them!

    It”s your money and you decide where or IF you donate without pressure or guilt. When you call them it’s voluntary what you do. Someone comes to my hoise to solicit I DO have the right to be rude. I didn’t invite them! You call me I DO have the right to say no, listen and say no be rude when the other end isn’t pleasant or not answer the phone.

    I’m on this guy’s side all the way for how he was treated when they bothered him first.

    And if people don’t like my view I couldn’t care leas becauae the only person I answer to is myself!

  57. The world is filled with illogical people. If Loveshriners was legit they would solicit the hospitals. Instead they choose to solicit uneducated people who blindly give with their emotions rather than their brains. The only real charity is one which you know for sure is legitimate. That’s exactly why so many charities have been exposed over the years. Nevertheless people are slow or too dumb to learn the truth. Wake up and see reality.

  58. Ive been a member of shriners circus for a number of years. I assure you, we treat all the children, do not molest them or sell them into slavery outside the US, call for donations, or misappropriate CEO salaries. We are a legitimate organization dedicated to helping young victims of the impending socialism in the US, at no cost to their families.
    No one likes telemarketers- even I hate telemarketers! But if youve ever been one, or loved one, perhaps, youd not judge them so harshly for their lavish lifestyles and multiple customized cars. Some telemarketers on the front lines of our struggle are much richer and more selfless than most CEOs of charitable organizations like shriners. And good on them- by the bootstraps and into a shriners childrens hospital, is my motto!

  59. If it weren’t for the Shriners my daughter would not be walking today.The Shriners in Kentucky from1986 to 1991 went so far beyond what they do. From the Doctors to the nurse and the Shrine Men all were AMAZING.Even all of other staff and all those who donate there time to help are great.I wish everyday I could donate but every cent I earn helps provide for myself and my elderly and ill mother.When I can I also help my Daughter and her 5 children .I cant say enough about this Hospital. From 1991 till 2003 my daughter was A Los Angeles Shrine kid.There we meet Even more Amazing people.We meet a lot of Totally Awesome kids also these kids go through what a lot of adult would not .I tell people to go visit the kids are Very inspiring.
    Thank you for listening I could go on and on totally love everything to do with this Hospital.
    Heart Broken unable to donate

  60. You’re a fucking idoit. If you are “smart” enough to have the employment background you say you do, then you should be able to understand that not every charity in desperate need is able to properly screen it’s mostly voluntary phone solicitors.
    Oh, and I also noticed how you bragged basically on your devoted giving to many charities. Wow. If you need recognition then consider not donating. You’re obviously missing the whole point of giving.
    One more thing. Yes, times are very tough. Sorry you can’t find your ideal job in your choice line of work. But guess what! There ARE jobs out there. Hell, my background is in education, but I have cleaned condos, rentals, chopped wood, stripped barn wood, cared for children and elders, ran errands, and a host of other things I can’t possibly recollect.
    Get over yourself. You’re not special. The children at Shriners are. Don’t, and I mean don’t take all your bullshit out on them.

    Get a life

  61. There are too many organizations asking for donations and most of them if not all are full of crap. I was wondering about Shriners hospital and hoping it wasn’t full of crap especially using very sick children and parents trying to get through a day knowing how sick their child is and how long do they have left to be with him/her. And I agree the kids are used for the commercials and ect… which is mentally sick (but it’s cheaper) playing on people and their emotions not knowing what the people your having kids beg for money are going through. The commercials that are run over and over and over again is agrevating and looks really greedy and makes me want to question why at least 8 commercial within an hour long program and the commercials sometimes are back to back. It’s a bit much. Then to learn parents really do have to make a payment and maybe not the hospital staff or doctors but Danny Thomas’s daughter and CEO and ect. Are definitely not in financial danger like the hospitals are (if that’s even true or just another way to get money.) Isn’t that consider extortion definitely false advertising and probably can find a few more things that are illegal. Shame on you people for using sick children and stressed out parents just to make money and NOT doing what you say you are and doing what you need to. Just another fake ass organization too good to be true.

  62. Three things about all those 19 dollar please ads bother me 1]all the ads are based on the same format and use the same catch phrases they appear to all be produced by the same ad agency 2] they might do some good but they use the crippled kids or maimed vets or sick dogs /cats to play on
    our sympathy and what i am going to say next will piss off lots of folks but THE FUND RAISERS trot out these poor sad people and take advantage of their misfortune to make money although it is for a somewhat better reason but the action of using them only differs from the old time freak shows that some small % of the funds go to help them 3] what part of the money raised is the cost of running these ads 100’s of times a week and producing more ads by for profit ad agencies [ not that i begrudge anyone making a profit]

  63. The most amazing thing about this trashing of the Shriners here is this: Did anyone ever actually check that it was really the Shriners who made the call or just another trash bag scammer playing on the emotions of people who donate to charity??

    I saw absolutely NOTHING in the story that convinces me it was a legit donation attempt, but you never once doubted it was genuine and instead only found fault that the caller was pushy.

    1. Uh, so let me see if I follow your thinking: You expect that after I get a phone call from an organization that asks for donations somewhat regularly that I’m supposed to go research if the call was really the organization that called? And how do you propose I do that? Go call the Shriner’s organization and ask them if they just called me? Reverse engineer the phone call and see if it goes back to a trunk of numbers that traces back to the organization? Send an email to the Fez hotline and hope that someone know what the hell I’m talking about?

      And even if I did, how does it make it better? Would you rather assume that this was some fly by night group acting like a bunch of asshats that are playing on other people’s emotions or would you rather really know that it was the real organization? Given how pushy the person was, wouldn’t that make it worse?

  64. What ever a person does for a company reflects on that company so I would figure if they didn’t want that kind of publicity they would hire and train the person about the proper way in dealing with people. Show kindness compassion and respect for others if the man said he couldn’t afford it then so be it thank him for his past donations and politely tell him maybe next time and have a grate day. The more time you spend hounding that one person for money could be spent on the next person maximizing the probability that you get donations to help others instead of turning away potential doners that may donate later or the next time. And if I belonged to that group I would be looking for bad repor and contact the head of the group to respond to the offended person and try to amend the relationship with that person. One person lost is one person that could have helped next time but now it has turned him away from helping them ever again. People have problems as meny of you know just as the kids and family’s that turn to these groups for help and compassion so should we show others compassion and understanding instead of criticizing them I hope just because one person from that company made him angry towards that group doesn’t turn him away from trying to help others in need because it’s people like him that others have that help that they need in there time of need.
    Matthew 7
    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

  65. My guess is the the call was not from Shriner’s but was a scam. Once you agreed to a nominal amount, she would “save you the trouble of have to wait for the envelope and mail it in” and would be happy to take your credit card info on the phone!

  66. Sounds like you may have been the target of a scam. I get scam calls all the time from people claiming to be from this charity or that, when in fact they are scammers who want to get you credit card, bank info or other personal info. Don’t assume such calls are ever legit. Of the charities I give to, I never receive a call. Letter, perhaps, Call – never. If in-doubt, and we should all be very skeptical these days, I tell them I’ve already donated and hang up. I might go to the charity’s official website and make a donation, but I NEVER EVER donate over the phone to an unsolicited call. EVER.

  67. Randy, you end your rant by saying you’re not going to donate to Shriners again, looking at your list of donations you never donated to shriners’ you boast about donating to other charities in an attempt to show everybody how good you are. Well I hope you never encounter a relative in need of Shriners Hospital for the care of a sick child, you wold have to tell him or her to keep the child home because “a Shriners fundraiser tried to get me to donate and I didn’t like her attitude”. Most of the replies DO N0T agree with your rant. Research the facts, you place your opinion on one fundraiser, it’s no wonder why you can’t find a job

    1. Wild: you come to my website to tell me that my family won’t be helped by the Shriner’s because I called out a rude person that was soliciting donations, that I didn’t brag about donating to the Shriner’s (which you can guess is implied as I donated to everyone under the sun) and I don’t research facts which is why I can’t find a job. If you haven’t guessed already, I don’t care what people think of my opinions on matters that I post here because it’s *my* opinion that I’ve shared. And if you think it’s OK to hound people for donations while they are unemployed, go start your own blog and ask for money.

      By the way, in terms of research, this post was from 2003 – job staying current, ya ingrate.

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