I supervise a student who is working on her bachelor's thesis. The problem is that she has not delivered anything, never asks for any help, and when I offer her some help she claims that she understands and she will work on it. But nothing really happens afterwards. We (me and my supervisor) talked to her multiple times in different 'intervention'-like sessions, with no success. Now it is the end of the semester and she has done no more than 10% of her assigned tasks.

Also, she never delivers what I ask for, even the most basic of things. For example, all students are supposed to hand in their time plan within two weeks of their work, but she has never handed it in, despite my (and my supervisor's) repeated requests. Not only does handing in a time plan help to keep track of one's work, it is also part of our grading scheme. And she knows about that, since we are very transparent about how grading of the thesis works, by giving the students our grading excel sheet before they even sign up for a thesis with us. Nevertheless, she didn't bother handing a time plan in.

All the other students in our institute have their final presentations next week, and even though she knew of it, she was asking for an extension. When I refused that via email (I saw no reason to give her an extension), she just dropped in, claimed that she is not prepared for a final presentation, and that I have to give her an extension and so on. I eventually gave her an extension, because she was extremely stressed and not in normal conditions, was almost breaking into tears, and most importantly made a scene in the institute hall. I played a little tough though, by asking her to give me an exact delivery date within two days.

I have even asked my colleagues and fellow PhD students multiple times if they think there is something wrong with my supervision of her, but they always assured me that there is nothing wrong with that and it's about her personality/character (we have a very transparent culture in our group, so we criticize each other openly). Also, my former students gave positive feedback to my adviser regarding my supervision. I even made my supervisor ask her privately about quality of my supervision, and she gave him positive feedback!

Moreover, she also has an exercise class with me, and she was the only student playing computer games on the lab computer instead of working on her exercise. She knew that I (her thesis supervisor) can see her, but she didn't bother. That, I have to say, was the last nail in the coffin.

Given this background, I already know that she cannot (will not) deliver, no matter how much time I gave her. Thus, she will almost certainly fail her thesis. But on the other hand I feel very bad failing a student in her first big project, especially since if she fails she will probably need to study one more semester to finish her studies.

Now I am struggling with these three options:

  • Wait for two days, and if she doesn't give me an exact delivery date (which she probably won't), just give her a fail grade.
  • Give her an extension for ten days or two weeks, and then grade her based on what she delivers eventually, which most probably is a fail grade anyhow.
  • Give her a longer extension, long enough for her to pass the thesis.

I would be glad if anyone can give me some recommendations on how to deal with this situation.

PS: For all people asking if I was allowed to give her an extension: Of course I was. Otherwise I would have a very good reason for refusing her request. In our university supervisors have lots of freedom in how they want to deal with their students.

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    Are you sure you were even allowed to give the extension? I would be extremely surprised to see a syllabus which permits course staff to change due dates on a whim, let alone for a thesis... – sapi May 30 '15 at 1:39
  • Update request: What did you do? How did this turn out? – MDMoore313 Nov 25 '15 at 0:04

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Given that you already agreed to this extension, this is the only option you have. Do this.

Honestly, you should not even have agreed to this extension. I understand that you were under stress when you agreed to it, but students making a scene will happen more often to you in the future, and at some point you will get inured to it.

I feel very bad failing a student in her first big project, especially since if she fails she probably need to study one more semester to finish her studies.

This seems to be your real question. Unfortunately, there is really no way around this dilemma. If someone persistently does not deliver assignments and refuses all offers of help, failing them is the only option. Anything else will make a mockery of the entire system of higher education. (And be sure that other students will notice.)

Look at it this way: if you pass her, and she gets a degree, what will her employer do with her if she continues this way? They will fire her, and quickly so.

It appears that this students needs some serious help and counselling. It appears like you already did all you could do in this regard. I would recommend that you wait for two days, fail her if she does not hand in the date, and write up an explanation like you did here. Send this explanation to her in writing. Explain that it appears she is not ready to take a course like yours. Direct her to any counselling resources available at your institution. Keep a copy of this explanation for your file, in case she escalates this to your department head/dean/whatever.

Then do not enter into any further discussions with her, unless she retakes your course.

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    +1 It is much, much better for her to take an extra semester over her bachelor's degree and learn that she does have to do projects, than for her to get fired from her first job. – Patricia Shanahan May 29 '15 at 9:50
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    +1 right.. As a student I can say that I get irritated when this kind of people get good treatment. She was playing computer games, not caring, and then she complains about not having time? While I am doing hard work to graduate? Just grow up, will you? Retake the course and learn a lesson. It's really, really frustrating when this happens, as Stephan said in this answer, this will mock the entire system of higher education. (I wrote this comment because this is how I would feel in such a situation. I believe many other student would feel the same way) :-) – Ant May 29 '15 at 10:37
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    +1 When I was studying we had a guy in our class who sounds like this, and was absolutely useless. I was glad when he failed to graduate with us, because if he had passed it would have negated my education and hard work, and made my degree feel worthless. (I could have done his year-long "Honours thesis" experiment in an afternoon and written it up over a weekend better than he did.) – Laura Huysamen May 29 '15 at 11:55
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    I would suggest assembling the evidence and taking it to your chair or the dean now - they should have your story so they aren't blindsided by the student. Get their agreement now. – Jon Custer May 29 '15 at 13:18
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    +1, but I would emphases "Direct her to any counseling resources available at your institution" much more. You may want to give your institution student medical care or other suitable service a notice about your student, so that they seek an appointment with her. Obviously, what is wrong here is not for a professor to fix. – Benoît Kloeckner May 29 '15 at 20:33

Sometimes a student's failure is a teaching success.

The lesson is just not the one you wished that you were teaching.

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    Could you elaborate on why the students' failure is a "teaching success"? Who has learned what? – Moriarty May 29 '15 at 14:13
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    @Moriarty: In the long run, if it causes the student to change her ways, it's a success. – aeismail May 29 '15 at 14:16
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    @Moriarty The lesson is that the actions that she is taking (or not taking) is not the path to success, or at least not a passing grade. – Aura May 29 '15 at 14:25
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    I agree that it is a good lesson for a student to learn. I think, however, that the answer should state as much, rather than relying on an intuition leap from the reader. – Zibbobz May 29 '15 at 14:27
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    This is very true. I was taken out of a high school competition my senior year by my physics teacher because my grades were slipping and he indicated he was very disappointed in me. I respected him a lot and looked up to him even more. His being really disappointed in me hurt in a way I'd never experienced. I started studying like crazy and I ended up demolishing his final exam (highest grade by far). I've never let my grades slip since then and I've worked my butt off to keep a high grade in all of my courses. It's not fun punishing a student but sometimes you have to do it for their sake. – Cameron Williams Jun 2 '15 at 18:11

I agree with failing this student, and here is some other advice:

  1. As mentioned in other answers, make sure you have collected e-mail correspondences in case she files a grievance.
  2. If you need to write to her, write as little as possible. Simply state the fact in a couple sentences. Do not put any evaluation or judgmental statements in the e-mail. The more you write, the more she can later pick on.
  3. Once she misses the ultimatum, simply submit the grade as soon as you can. If she comes to talk to you again, tell her that it's been in the formal record and out of your control. Refer her to the registrar.
  4. If possible, do not meet with her with just you two. Invite at least one supervisor, registrar, or other relevant person to be there. Desperate students can potentially make up a lot of delusional accusations; having a third person can avoid the "you said, I said" confusion.
  5. Just give the simplest explanation, repeat that if you may. Even if she presses for more explanation or justification, always go back to the simplest explanation. And feel free to tell her there is no more you can say. If she explains with a learning disability, accident, or hurricane, do not join the discussion. Say again that the decision has been made and it's out of your control. Refer her to the higher-up.
  6. Get the next in the line involved. It can be the Dean of Students or the Dean of the Department. Let them know you may refer her to see them if she requires to have her plead advanced.

Remember to chill out. Failing students is in no way a pleasant experience. However, it's our job to give objective evaluations. The student lacks fundamental cognitive input and basic professionalism; to me, it's a one-way ticket to the Fail-land.

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    Normally I would jump down your throat about dismissing a learning disability, but that is the sort of thing a student has to tell an instructor at the start of class, not the end of it. So in this specific case, the student has no recourse. In fact, any inability to meet deadlines should be brought up before the deadline passes. – Zibbobz May 29 '15 at 17:29
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    @Zibbobz, thanks! Learning disability can still play a role and I did not mean to dismiss it specifically, more so, I meant to advise dismissing every sort of excuses and insist that the best informed decision has been made. Regarding learning disabilities, the "report at the start" rule works most of the time, but there are exceptions such as students thinking they can tough it out, ashamed, diagnosed recently, or even was having depressive disorders causing them not to report at the start of the course, etc. These are worth reconsidering, but it should no longer be the OP's job in this case. – Penguin_Knight May 29 '15 at 17:57
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    Try not to pass the buck and blame something seemingly out of your control. Just state that you submitted the final grade and will not change it. No need to make some other person's life miserable by making her think she can go complain to them to get things changed. – Eric May 30 '15 at 2:45
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    @Eric: It's not about passing the buck, it's about making the student understand that the deadline is not a personal agreement between the OP and the student that can be debated away, but a restriction imposed and enforced by the whole university, a deadline that will not just postpone itself if you let it pass. Quite in contrary, I think it is adviseable to distribute control over the issue to as many people as possible, who will, if it comes to that, deal with the student on their own and (if the case description is accurate) come to the same conclusion. On the one hand, it provides a .. – O. R. Mapper May 30 '15 at 17:49
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    You have to remember your obligations to the cohort as a whole. Failing this student is your act of fairness to the students who performed at the desired level. If a disability is uncovered later it ought to be up to the board of examiners (or similar) whether any allowance apply retrospectively. And document EVERYTHING. I keep contemporaneous notes of any student meetings either by emailing the student to confirm the meeting content or by emailing myself, this timestamping the note through my university's server. – ctokelly May 31 '15 at 8:05

I'd like to contribute with a bit of personal experience, and perhaps isn't the advice you're looking for, so let downvotes ensue. A few people here mentioned possibility of a learning disability, so here goes.

Six or seven years ago, I was exactly this student. I switched majors twice in my undergrad and ended up taking extra classes to catch up with the curriculum. I was taking over 20 credits every semester including summers and running on less than 4.5 hours of sleep on an average night. This lasted for three years -- including summers. It ruined my health, my motivation, my looks, my relationships, my hygiene habits and more. I was completely lost and wasn't even looking for advice at that point. If I told my family I was going to graduate late, I'd be in big trouble.

By the end of this whole thing, I was so depressed, worn out and physically ill that when I asked to take a final on a different day (I had three back-to-back) and got rejected, I got drunk all by myself for the first and only time in my life. Something really broke in me that day, and the next semester I just couldn't force myself to do work.

If I knew then what I know now, that I could probably go and ask someone for advice, seek professional help or at least counseling, I would have certainly done that. Some professors knew something was wrong, because I was very interested in the subjects, and was ahead of most students in theoretical knowledge, especially mathematics, but I would never submit my homework assignments and lab reports. They sincerely tried helping me, but everyone missed the point that I drove myself into a state of serious mental illness. I would find myself sitting in rooms staring for hours at a single point, I couldn't force myself to sleep, I had bad social anxiety and constant panic attacks. But I didn't realize for a very long time that I was ill, that this was a real tangible thing that had a name, a physiological basis, and methods of treatment.

So what I'm asking you to consider is whether she's overall a bright individual. Does she seem to have previously done reasonably well? Is this a change in behavior? Clearly, she's gotten herself this far, so what's happening now? If you find that this is a recent development, refer her to counseling. Most universities have such services. She may not realize that she may have a problem. Most people in these situations don't.

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    Thank you for posting your story. It will be valuable to help academics think more clearly about the situations their students find themselves in. I am glad you took the time to write it. – Brian Tompsett - 汤莱恩 May 30 '15 at 9:25
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    I don't think you'll get any down votes. You're not, as far as I can tell, recommending that she be given a long extension or other extraordinary academic favors, but that she be referred to professional mental help. Perhaps even a mental health professional intervention? – Wayne Jun 1 '15 at 1:12
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    You bring up an excellent point. I agree that the behavior of this student points to a mental problem - not simply laziness -, and the advice to refer her to counseling services is excellent. I have seen this happen to a person I was very close to, and your story resonates. – Floris Jun 2 '15 at 3:31
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    Been there, done that. The OP’s student does indeed sounds like she could benefit professional help. Inability to work for some reason, which lead to shame, angst and anxiety, which in turn lead to lack of communication. At the same time, guilt makes you refuses any kind of help. Recipe for a vicious circle. I believe supervisors would benefit from learning to detect these behaviours early on. – Édouard Jun 6 '15 at 15:22

Unless your course specifically allows for extensions on deadlines, you should not have offered one to her - this is unfair biased treatment based on coercion on her part. It also de-legitimizes any student who would come to you with a reasonable excuse for a deadline extension.

Knowing the position your student was in, you should have told her, upfront, that she had already done too little work to pass your course, and that extending the final deadline would not help (unless the final is somehow greater than 65% of the course grade, but even in that case, she has not shown any indication that she would meet even an extended deadline).

Now that you have offered this to her though, you Must allow her the opportunity to propose a new deadline as you've said you would. Be extremely strict about this. If she does not deliver on time, she has wasted her one opportunity for an extension and has failed your course.

At this point, you have done all you can for your student. You have reminded them of the consequences they will face numerous times, you have attempted to help them and reminded them of necessary coursework several times, and they have listened to none of your advice, done none of the work you requested, and still expect a favor from you in the end.

Do not feel guilty about failing her. Do not feel guilty even if she manages to get her thesis in. Unless it is perfect and your grading rubric actually does allow for more than 65% of the grade to be based on her final, do not pass her on that alone, and even if it does weigh that heavy on her grade, do not feel pressured to pass her on a less than perfect thesis.

She will complain. She will say terrible things about you. She may even throw a fit in the middle of the thesis defense or in the faculty office hallways. Do not give in.

If she can afford to slack off for an entire semester, she can afford to pay for another semester and do it right.

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    As an aside: Do NOT accept any offer from her to hand in 'all the late work' at once. She may be mistakenly thinking that this is acceptable practice at the college level: It is not, and you have reminded her about the deadlines she had many times in the past. – Zibbobz May 29 '15 at 15:05
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    'If she can afford to slack off for an entire semester, she can afford to pay for another semester and do it right.' Well said! – Ali Alavi May 30 '15 at 7:54

You are not failing her... she has failed. You are only acknowledging this fact.

I had a similar situation with a student in a software development class who came within one percentage point of a passing grade... and I refused to give her any slack at all because she never showed any interest in actually learning the material, never asked questions or otherwise participated in class, and never approached me or anyone else for help.

By all means, keep your word and allow her the extension. However, you have every right to expect that she keeps her word as well and gives you a new date, and then delivers on or before that date.

It's an unfortunate situation, but I can't see where you could have done anything to avoid it.


Since you have agreed to two day extension it is the only proper thing to wait for this time period, but not more.

One of primary goals of Bachelor's degree or Uni in general is to qualify you for work. And that also includes being able to live with the consequences of your action.

If after 2 days the delivery date (Which if she provides, should be short not long in my opinion) then fail her until she improves. It can be even multiple times if she still doesn't learn.

After she learns to do the work properly she should be a person more appropriate for working environment and will be beneficial for her in a long term. Which means you were successful as her supervisor.


There is a reason that you give a student a PASS or a FAIL: it's because not every student is worthy of a PASS. In this case, the student is obviously worthy of a FAIL. I wouldn't give it much more thought than that.


I guess you should let her go... it's a university, you tried everything. She's an adult now, if she refused your help but complaining about she needs more time to present something, I think you can't do nothing.

Let her fail. Of course she will hate you and she will think that this whole thing is because of you, but it's not true. She should understand that there are rules that can't be changed because of her.

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    I don't think she will hate you. She might complain loudly hoping you get emotionally involved and let her pass, but inside she knows what's happening. She wants to get away with doing absolutely nothing, I'd be surprised if she really believed that slacking off is the best way to pass. – Stefano Sanfilippo May 30 '15 at 11:35

If she made through university to her bachelor thesis, and cannot get any work done on it, then the problem is very likely not academic but elsewhere. Could be depression, could be severe family problems. Which means that although you are willing and trying to help her, you can't.

If you are convinced that she has no chance getting her bachelor thesis delivered (and that seems to be the case), there is nothing you can do from a professional point of view to help her. From a human point of view, it would be excellent if you could direct her towards someone who can help her; and possibly turn things academically so that she doesn't end up with a failed thesis but as if she had never started with the thesis (which is more or less what happened) so she can come back in a year or two when her problems are fixed - obviously only if that is something that you can do without problems, and if it is something that would help.

(I suppose there is a point up to which she can abandon a thesis as if she had never tried to write it, but have no idea where that point is).

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    I disagree that the problem needs to be a new non-academic issue. If all examinations so far did not involve single-person long-term projects, it is not unlikely that the student is the type that always starts working at the last possible moment and got this far by relying on all-nighters and supervisor leniency. I know of several students who never learnt time management and the respective self-discipline before their bachelor thesis. Given the extent of the issues described in the question, this is probably still a problem deserving professional help or similar, but it need not be new. – Wrzlprmft May 29 '15 at 21:02
  • That is actually the conclusion that me and my colleagues came to. – Ali Alavi May 30 '15 at 7:56
  • "If she made through university to her bachelor thesis, and cannot get any work done on it, then the problem is very likely not academic but elsewhere." - I doubt the validity of this assumption. What @Wrzlprmft said might apply, but even otherwise, curricula often intentionally feature several times the same type of courses/milestones. Like this, students who may be lucky once and somehow manage to talk themselves out of failing despite not quite living up to the expectations will have a hard time to avoid failing like this several times during their major. – O. R. Mapper May 30 '15 at 18:15

There is a lot of great advice here. I just want to point one thing out, which will help when considered and applied with the other strategies.

You spent a lot of time in this question defending yourself and your performance. You, or at least part of you, feels that her failure is your failure, and you're trying to convince yourself that this is not the case.

It is a fact--that is, it is accurate that her failure is not your failure. You did not, in any way, fail to do everything a reasonable person would have done. However, you do not yet believe this (or at least you did not at the time you were writing the question). The answers here should help you, as anyone who is an objective observer, looking at this evidence, can tell that the student failed herself, 100%, no question.

But you have something to learn here, too, which is:

Do not internalize the failures of your students.

You seem to care a great deal, and there is nothing wrong with that--in fact it is a very positive quality in a supervisor. But it is going to degrade your performance if you consider it a personal failure every time someone who is under your supervision fails. It is not good for the other people that you supervise, it is not good for the people you work with, and it is not good for you.

That's all--I just wanted to bring out that point because it's something you (or anyone else in the same situation) might be missing about yourself, and it's something you can ponder and learn to recognize and hopefully overcome (or at least strengthen your defenses against) over time.


Your experience is not at all uncommon. I have had similar experiences with graduate students at my institution. At first I "felt bad" about giving a bad/failing grade to a student or not granting extensions, but over time, I have learned not to let my personal feelings get in the way.

I sympathize with your concerns:

  • Yes, it is frustrating when you care more about your student's progress/success more than he/she does
  • Yes, it is easy to believe that the student's failure reflects your own failure as an educator, especially if you have counseled the student multiple times with no results...
  • Yes, "things do come up," and you should be flexible given extenuating circumstances
  • Yes, it is difficult to refuse extensions to the student, because we are socially conditioned not to hurt people's feelings or be a "mean" person


  • At university, the student is an adult, and you cannot "force" them to do the work
  • At some point, the student needs to learn to take responsibility for their own work and respect deadlines. They need to develop this kind of maturity to be successful in the real world, and by being too nice, you may actually be doing the student a disservice
  • From your account, the circumstance did not seem extenuating. You counseled the student multiple times and she blew you off until the last minute
  • It is not fair to the other students who are, no doubt, just as busy as that student but still managed to get their work in on time
  • You, as an educator, have a personal responsibility to ensure that people who pass your class/capstone requirements/thesis have fulfilled the requirements to pass, be it all the course assignments or the thesis. Not only would the student have to "turn in something," the quality that something has to be up to standards. If the student is unleashed on the real world with zero skills and zero knowledge, it reflects badly on the program and may affect the employment prospects of other students that come out of the program. If the person has to stay an extra semester, so be it.

Now to answer your question:

Now I am struggling with these three options:




I vote for Option A (wait for two days, and if nothing then fail). Again, the student is an adult, and it is not your place to hound this person for her work. You are investing too much time in someone who cares less about her own progress than you do, and the end result can be disappointing. For example, early in my doctoral program, when I was still "nice," I had a student who kept on making up "legitimate" excuses for not turning in his mid-term exam on time ("I was doing HIV testing at X Festival this weekend," "I overbooked myself with Z"). I e-mailed him several times asking him to turn in his exam, and when he finally sent me his exam ~2 weeks after the due date, the accompanying e-mail read,

Haha Sorry!

Just being honest: I'm sitting in a house that I'm renting on the beach in ________, Mexico right now... It's difficult for me to concentrate!!!!

Granted, your student may not be sitting on a beach house in Mexico, but my point is that your emotional investment may not be worth the reward.

This is just the first of many experiences you will have with students. It is important to be able to emotionally detach when the situation calls for it to avoid burnout. There are a couple of ways to remedy this for the future:

  1. Set a strict deadline and deduce points for late work except for extenuating circumstances. In grad school, I had a prof who took off 10 points for every hour the assignment was turned in late starting at 10 minutes past the hour. He announced his policy the first day of class. I also worked for someone who made it a policy that the highest grade she would give for late assignments was 80%. The latter is a bit tricky, because if you set the maximum grade too low, you might trigger a "what's the point" reaction, so tread carefully.
  2. If you allow extensions, have a clear extension policy that can be applied universally. I understand that sometimes students are embarrassed or shy to ask for extensions, but if you go over the policy you have written on the syllabus in the beginning of class, and encourage open channels of communication, this may save you frustration in the end.
  3. If it is possible to break the huge assignment down to small deliverables at regular intervals, this may add some structure to the process, and the multiple deadlines may create a sense of urgency among the students. For example, ask them for an outline by the second week of the semester so that you can give feedback in a low-pressure environment regarding the viability of their research endeavor. Then ask for an intro section 1 month after that, methods 3 weeks after, etc. You can also catch students who are lagging behind before they get too far behind.

I am sure the three suggestions I provided above, which I copped from former profs, were all developed as a result of the profs' having faced similar situations during their doctoral training.

EDIT: One other possibility is that the student may have ADD or a learning disability. Maybe you can talk to her about undergoing tests for ADD and other disabilities, which may be covered by student health insurance.


You are obviously a caring educator. I tip my hat to you.

When I was an academic advisor, I used to remind my students of something very important. It is up to the student to complete the assigned work in a manner that fulfills the instructor's requirements - all while meeting the posted deadline. The instructor only fails the student if she or he does not fulfill their end of the student/instructor agreement.

A student earns their grade. Please allow me to repeat that. A student EARNS their grade. A grade is not (hopefully) arbitrarily assigned by the instructor. A student who completes work as assigned, before the posted deadline, and with few to no errors will earn a passing grade. It's a simple concept. A student who ignores deadlines and submits an assignment that is riddled with errors cannot reasonably expect to pass. That student has not earned a passing grade.

As long as you are living up to your end of the student/instructor agreement, you are not failing the student. In this case, the student is on her way to earning a failing grade.



It is clear that you have done the right things and the advice you got from others is mostly correct. An important thing to learn is how to deal with this in the future. I would be more proactive than requiring that "all students are supposed to hand in their time plan within two weeks of their work".

In my experience even graduate students do not necessarily have good time management skills, although some do. I prefer to err the other way: give them a time plan, and make it aggressive: 1/2 the semester length. After all the inevitable excuses and delays, my class still finishes its projects before the others. I never tell them this is the real reason for having an advanced time plan - just that that's the way it is!


Like everyone else, I would say that you should give her a failing grade. Everyone else has expounded brilliantly on why you should as it relates to her performance and manipulation of your good intentions. I write this answer, not to reiterate what others have said but instead to offer one more piece of advice about why giving her the grade that she earned is the only appropriate course of action.

  • If you give her extensions, you have lied to every other student in your class about expectations and grading.
    • and therein you begin to erode the confidence of those who have worked hard and met your expectations.

In a similar situation when a student was asking me for an extension, I asked the student if he/she realizes that - if I do - then they're asking me to lie to every other student just so they can have more time. When I asked that student if they actually wanted me to lie to the rest of the class, he/she understood, and said 'no.'

In the end, it is a great disservice to those who have taken you at your word and trusted your educational authority. It is those students who have worked hard to meet your deadlines and expectations that will lose faith in you, your class, and the subject, if they see that the ones who don't take class seriously get more advantages than they do.

Good luck in decision making. Do the thing that is best for your whole class and know that what you do for one student, you have to do for all students.

Let us know how it goes!

  • Eh, students generally have the understanding that they can ask for extensions and maybe get them. – user18072 Jun 2 '15 at 18:02
  • Not where I've taught or gone to school. It wasn't unheard of, but a request needed a verifiable reason in order to make it authentic... especially for a final presentation. – Andrew Jun 2 '15 at 18:20
