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[–]DadaDoDat 1390 points1391 points  (178 children)

How does trump manage to literally be on the wrong side of everything? It's kind of impressive how someone can fail upward so immensely.

[–]watchpaintdrytv 256 points257 points  (18 children)

Kushner gave the go ahead to the Saudis to assassinate Khashoggi. Turkey has evidence of it and is using that to blackmail Trump.

[–]littlebutcher 15 points16 points  (10 children)


[–]MrWhite26 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Mild speculation based on what's been reported.

Given all the other batshit-crazy things this administration has done, quite believable.

[–]youshouldbreakup_s 13 points14 points  (8 children)

It's not an obscure claim. Just Google it.

[–]xxxYTSEJAMxxx 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bizarro Forest Gump

[–]tonybenwhite 233 points234 points  (94 children)

Because your news feed is tailored perfectly to feed your precognition of the man, as well as your political alignment. Social media is literally designed to keep you engaged, and the best way to do that is remove friction between you and its content. Therefore, you’re consistently pumped streams of hatred for the man in the context of all his worst actions.

Also because Trump is a absolutely terrible, dementia-riddled man child and has zero moral compass to speak of.

[–]TTRO 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Sure, in part. But the man tweets his awfulness for all the world to see, without any tailoring. All the damn time

[–]zveroshka 522 points523 points  (51 children)

Sorry but get the fuck out with this shit. Plenty of people hated Obama. Shit, lets even go with Bush. Even the fake shit the people who hated them was never as outrageous as the real shit Trump has done. This isn't just "the media is feeding you what you want man" conspiracy bullshit. He has crossed every line of normalcy and legality for his office.

[–]Shaved_Wookie 173 points174 points  (19 children)

Fuck outta here with that - I know you're not talking about the same Obama that wore a TAN SUIT

obvious /s

[–]gaiusmariusj 51 points52 points  (5 children)

Not to mention elitist mustard.

[–]Coral_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obama is a war criminal tho, let’s not forget. He might have been charming af- I voted for him, but he is a war criminal.

[–]VinTheHuman 62 points63 points  (7 children)

Did you read the second half of his post?

[–]Fleraroteraro 37 points38 points  (3 children)

The second part doesn't negate the first part, though.

[–]dxrey65 16 points17 points  (2 children)


Which is spot-on.

Remove the bland suggestion that people, in context of the question asked, only see Trump doing obnoxious shit because that's what their news feed serves them, and anyone would agree with it.

Though I only see Trump doing obnoxious shit myself, because that's pretty much all he does.

[–]EonesDespero 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The guy is assuming that people get their news from social media or even Reddit. Just because OP does it, it doesn't mean the rest of us do.

[–]TheRiddler78 8 points9 points  (0 children)

when one card falls the whole house goes down.

[–]gotham77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah and we’re pretty disgusted that he knows the truth but still feels the need to preface it with some “fake news” garbage.

The “second half” should have been the only part of his post.

[–]Iroex 4 points5 points  (1 child)


It's not bullshit in the context of online media, your feeds and search results are personalised according to your profile, it's a 'feature'.

[–]tonybenwhite 25 points26 points  (13 children)

You clearly misread what I wrote, especially because you’d be arguing with yourself here, as the second half of my post agrees with you...

I said SOCIAL media feeds you what you are profiled to want to see. Quite literally, social media spies on your viewing habits, and intelligently pushes advertisements, related content, and news articles to the forefront of your feed so that you feel comfortable and understood on that social media platform.

[–]EonesDespero 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not everyone has/reads/lives in social media and Trump still looks in the wrong side of history in every issue.

[–]zveroshka 26 points27 points  (9 children)

I'm not arguing that point. But what I'm arguing that the reason the poster thinks Trump is wrong on seemingly everything is because of picked social media feeds. It's not like he is seeing more biased/fake news. It's real.

[–]thephantom1492 -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

You still missed the second half of this post.

[–]zveroshka 41 points42 points  (7 children)

I didn't. He basically implied that while it might be true, it's a biased social media serving him up what he wants to see. It's not biased. He is this shitty.

[–]yet-another-voter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its rather unsettling, for many, that positive things about Trump that can be shown in social media feeds should the algorithms match certain surfing habits. The sad thing is daily good news about him are usually stretched truth, fantasy, white lies or outright propaganda. A lot of people only view, and like, these

[–]MettaMorphosis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is how social media makes me uncomfortable. It feeds me the same uncomfortable headlines that I keep clicking on.

[–]Joseluki 3 points4 points  (1 child)

When he was campaigning he said that he would have sex with his daughter if she wasn't his. That is the level of bankrupt morality of the POTUS.

[–]EonesDespero 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Even Bush, who is a war criminal in my opinion, was right from time to time. The "bias" media excuse can only go so far, pal.

(Besides the fact that you are assuming that all people have your same media diet. That speaks more about you than about anything else).

[–]TheFalseDimitryi 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Had us in the first half not gonna lie

[–]FaceDeer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Both halves can be true, unfortunately.

[–]TheDoktorIsIn 1 point2 points  (10 children)

I've often wondered about this, has there been anything positive he's done? Serious question since I only see the negatives. I'm sure there must be SOMEthing. Definitely not enough to redeem him IMO, but there's gotta be something.

[–]tonybenwhite 11 points12 points  (2 children)

For me, it seems there are things that needed to be done that he’s gone about in completely misinformed or inexperienced ways, keeping in mind this isn’t surprising whatsoever because he’s NOT a politician.

For example, denuclearization with North Korea was a talk that Trump perpetrated... and botched.

He also brought much attention to how twitter, Facebook, and google can be VERY dangerous to democracy... by being the prime example himself.

Unemployment has dropped in his administration, though that wasn’t really his personal doing

Appointed the first female director to the CIA... can’t guarantee it wasn’t a stacked appointment to protect his own shitstorm in foreign affairs

[–]bookman_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

He's sabotaging US global hegemony by abandoning allies, dealing with enemies and insulting 'western leaders'.
So it's good in part.

[–]FeelsGoodMan2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing he did but being completely reprehensible has engaged a lot of people to participate. Whether that trend persists or not remains to be seen.

[–]ErinAshe 3 points4 points  (4 children)

To be fair, Erdogan could be lying. Kind of what dictators do. Though it would surprise me literally 0 if this was true.

[–]Joseluki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because Americans elected a narcissistic psychopathic, a spoiled man size baby raised without any kind of morals or empathy.

[–]Veritas-Veritas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's "wrong" and there's "pure fucking evil".

I've been wrong about a lot of stuff in my life. I try to learn from that. What Trump does is more than just "wrong".

[–]Previouslydesigned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he’s making it a little game.

[–]tomtomtomo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He signed the prison reform bill. He wasn't on the wrong side that time.

[–]shady8x 0 points1 point  (4 children)

He is not on the wrong side of everything. But he is on the wrong side of many, many issues.

The things reddit agrees with him on rarely makes it to the top of this subreddit, but I have seen such stories even on this sub, which is not his fan by a long shot.

[–]Saravanak26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man... I think of that too... It's exhausting

[–]andyaytch416 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why this continues to be a surprise when he has been on the wrong side of pretty much everything from day one since he took office. And it is no accident. This is a strategy to appeal to the worst of human nature in exchange for something in return. Quid pro quo is his whole M.O. and now he’s being impeached for it.

[–]iwannasee_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be successful he should do everything opposite what his basic instincts tell him... just like George Costanza.

[–]gotham77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well in his dealings with these “strongman” leaders, the answer is simple:

He’s weak and cowardly. He’s afraid of them, and they all know it.

[–]grandpagrandpaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like bad writing for a low budget cable tv villain.

[–]ilovelife2020 1819 points1820 points  (65 children)

Yeah, like the Nazi war against the Jews, you fucking moron.

[–]xXStyler 628 points629 points  (38 children)

Can’t believe he’s actually president

[–]AnastyNAHA 223 points224 points  (17 children)

Really gives you a solid bit of reassurance that you really can be anything you want as long as you put your mind to it!

Or.... just pay someone enough money.

[–]Richard31328 91 points92 points  (7 children)

When I was a kid they told me that anyone could become president. I guess they were right.

[–]CaptainJin 63 points64 points  (6 children)

You can be whatever you want. As long as you were born into your wealth.

[–]tutoredstatue95 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Hey, don't underestimate the ole bootlick. Trump was wealthy, but a special brand of dumb and confident that made him take risks he couldnt afford. It's actually the debt that made him powerful, in a way. He is the King of Debt, in the way that a king answers to a Pope.

[–]Esoteric_Erric 42 points43 points  (1 child)

"When you owe the bank a hundred thousand, they have you by the balls. When you owe the bank a hundred million, you have them by the balls."

[–]-Wombat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Love the quote

[–]james28909 3 points4 points  (0 children)

spot on... literally

[–]Needleroozer 15 points16 points  (1 child)

My father said that Harry Truman was proof that anyone can become President, and he wasn't rich. Just in the right place at the right time. In fact, Truman was the first President who wasn't rich. Congress had to budget money for state dinners because unlike all his predecessors he couldn't afford to host them himself. They also enacted the Presidential pension for him.

And he was one of our best Presidents.

[–]Chinkie_Winkie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Democracy is like any means of governance in that you can have good rulers, and shit rulers. The difference is that now you have only yourself to blame for the latter.

[–]JonnyRocks 15 points16 points  (4 children)

He did not win because he paid someone money he won because there are a lot of people who like the dumb things he says...... And that makes me more sad.

[–]Thraxster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

should be scared

[–]BismarckShuffle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yes but his money gave him his platform and voice.

[–]WaytoomanyUIDs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A basket of deplorables, you might say?

[–]gordo65 24 points25 points  (0 children)

As Arsenio Hall once said, "Trump showed everyone that it's possible to become a millionaire overnight. Of course, he started out a billionaire."

[–]Farmer771122 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You don't have to pay someone enough money. If there's one thing Trump is famous for (before 2016), it certainly wasn't paying people large amounts of money.

Trump learned early on that you can get the same benefit of you just imply that you might make them rich.

[–]Claystead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The whole class cheered when Ms. Robertson told them they could all grow up to be President someday if they just asked strange foreigners to help them!

[–]3600MilesAway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh Baby, the places you'll be, just get some money and make sure to pay the fees!

[–]Needleroozer 28 points29 points  (4 children)

I can't believe 40% of the people want him to be president, and that 10% more settled for him to be president. The man belongs in jail, not the White House, and that was before he ran!

[–]hicow 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It was roughly 27% of eligible voters, and really about 70k or so in three or four states that put him over the top. I'd lay every dollar I have to my name on betting that no one will ever break his record for having lost the popular vote by so wide a margin and still managing to win the election.

[–]kaaz54 6 points7 points  (1 child)

And about 28% voted for Clinton. That means that 72% of the voters either willingly voted for Trump or thought "eh, good enough, I don't care".

[–]RagingRag 42 points43 points  (0 children)


[–]that_other_goat 16 points17 points  (4 children)

why not? he is the logical summation of holding opinion over fact and holding rationalization to be equal to or greater than reason.

[–]CmndrAlekzndr 18 points19 points  (3 children)

And the old Puritanical idea that your worth as a person comes from how much wealth you've accumulated. It's disgusting that he's doing deals with dictators while tearing down our relations with other democracies, all just to further enrich himself...

But y'know, at least his grandma read bible stories to him 60 years ago, so we can trust his moral fortitude. s/

[–]Esoteric_Erric 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The fact that Americans are willing to send their money to a tv preacher who tells them that God wants him to have a Lear Jet - that is enough explanation of how this imbecile ended up in power.

[–]popcorninmapubes 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Imagine every idiot you have ever worked with or for. Not multiply that by hundreds of thousands of places across the country and you still will not have enough for a popular vote but you will have enough to win in this fucked up system!

[–]Rqoo51 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Really bugs me that enough people, took a look at him and thought yeah this guy should be running the country. Like either they are brainwashed, stupid, or just an asshole.

[–]ChipStarfield 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Take this time to reevaluate US history and political discourse and you'll feel that way about Bush or Bush or Reagan or Nixon. I was shocked in 2016, and then quite promptly was reminded that this is par for the course. Still outrageous, but it's like half a century of outrageous.

[–]RobsEvilTwin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just tell myself that news about US politics is actually a parody show. Like Veep only not funny.

I wonder what Spanky Bonespurs will get up to in the next exciting episode!

[–]EarthBestVenus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

says a whole lot about americans.

[–]Justtryme90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, do what you can to vote him out in 2020.

[–]tomdarch 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I'm honestly a little impressed that Trump could grasp the whole issue well enough to try to "sell" Erdogan with some aspect of it.

(I've been to Turkey a few times. I really like Turkey and met overwhelmingly wonderful people there. But I've also seen the remnants of when Greeks were ethnically cleansed from the country. I have no doubt that Armenians were treated in inconceivably awful ways, and trust independent historians who state that it met the standards of genocide. Turkey can handle facing that reality of their past, but I guess Erdogan and his ilk are too weak to handle it.)

[–]TerryBerry11 13 points14 points  (1 child)

My great great grandparents were killed in it. I heard the stories. Basically the Turks would take Armenians on death marches in the desert, rape and execute the women, and would trap people in caves with only one entrance, and light giant fires at the entrance so people couldn't get out and would suffocate from the smoke. They were a more primitive version of a gas chamber.

Hitler drew a lot of inspiration from the Armenian genocide. He even said something along the lines of "if no one remembers the Armenians, who will remember the Jews".

[–]aHungGreek 3 points4 points  (0 children)


He was actually talking about Polish during that quote


[–]gonohaba 2 points3 points  (2 children)

In Both cases it was a genocide embedded in the context of a war, but a genocide nometheless. So technically it isn't incorrect, Turkey was alsof at war at the same time.

[–]ZoomBattle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It becomes technically incorrect when someone stops acknowledging the genocide and insists on referring to the deaths only in terms of the war.

[–]Siege-Torpedo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Remember, he's putting conservative judges on the courts so it's all good fam.

[–]wizardbase 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Genocide is a subjective term, there are even advocates for redefining the Holocaust as not a genocide but something more intense because it was so unique.

[–]zeradragon 405 points406 points  (33 children)

Erdoğan also said that during their conversation Trump had asked him what had happened in relation to genocide recognition attempts before his term as president.

“I will examine this and talk to my colleagues,” Erdoğan quoted Trump as saying to him, when the Turkish president explained that under previous administrations the commissions in the U.S. Congress had declined such resolutions, but this time the commission had been bypassed.

So fencing is a wall, genocide is war, boos and chants of 'lock him up' are applause...I get beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but, wtf, this is pure delusion.

He must get so confused when other leaders don't buy into his distorted views.

[–]LostBoyBarney 148 points149 points  (9 children)

War is peace, ignorance is strength, slavery is freedom.

[–]noolarama 46 points47 points  (3 children)

America is the land of the free...

[–]tutoredstatue95 27 points28 points  (0 children)

And if you say that we aren't then you are a socialist bastard that deserves to be locked up!

[–]drumdeity 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Whoever told you that is your enemy!

[–]HippOsiris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now something must be done

[–]DiligentOrdinary 16 points17 points  (0 children)

And Arbeit Macht Frei...

[–]Exoddity 6 points7 points  (1 child)

We've always been at war with Nipple.

[–]imgur_com_y8suYkD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ketchup is a vegetable.

[–]Hippey31 48 points49 points  (4 children)

So, if this is true, Trump is walking into the conversations completely blind and is having people antagonistic to the US brief him on subjects he then decides on.




[–]zeradragon 26 points27 points  (2 children)

It's been pretty apparent that he goes to his rallies completely winging it and the crowd cheers. He thinks he can do that anywhere...

[–]VolkspanzerIsME 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unless he immediately sees a way of making money he has the attention span of a goldfish.

And all this we have heard is only what has come out so far. Imagine what kind of diabolical shit he's been able to keep hidden.

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[–]kamxnaj 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's well established that he doesn't prepare for stuff. He barely even reads. Trump considers himself the smartest person in the room at all times, and his natural abilities (superior genetics) are all he needs.

This is what he said about the NK summit:

I don’t think I have to prepare very much. It’s about attitude, it’s about willingness to get things done. So this isn’t a question of preparation, it’s a question of whether or not people want it to happen, and we’ll know that very quickly

[–]ChargeTheBighorn 47 points48 points  (0 children)

He doesn't get confused, he gets angry. Confusion would mean on some level he questions himself.

[–]voodoodudu 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Their side really dont care. They are pretty much lap dogs.

[–]Trump4Prison2020 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Dude that's seriously unfair to lap dogs.

Lap dogs are loyal, friendly, loving animals. Those who are fine with throwing little kids in chickenwire cages with only a tinfoil blanket are NOT.

[–]Barren_Jenton 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Calling the President a fucking moron is an affront to fucking morons.

[–]RheimsNZ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

And calling that fucking moron the President is DEFINITELY an affront to presidents!

[–]flickh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He asked the fucking Turkish president what America had done previously about the Armenian genocide.

“Oh nothing really, they were pretty cool about it, you should definitely tweet that it wasn’t genocide, that’s the standard procedure.”

[–]cryo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well something can be both a war and a genocide. The Armenian genocide wasn’t a war, though.

[–]friendly-confines 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s why he likes Putin and Erdogan and The N Korean leader. They buy into his shit and are teaching him how to be a good dictator.

[–]CipherDegree 216 points217 points  (3 children)

He tried to appease Erdogan by offering to bend the truth. Got rejected, and then basically revealed he did not even do his homework on the issue.

[–]femstora 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He did bend it he rejected it

[–]ProllyPygmy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

..or any issue, to be honest.

[–]Nowthatisfresh 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Every day I think he can't get any worse. Every day I'm wrong

[–]T4R6ET 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I don't believe trump knows what the Armenian Genocide is. Not buying this one.

[–]Messisfoot 112 points113 points  (53 children)

I used to date this Armenian chick whose entire family were hardcore Republicans (when it suited them). Her brother was a hedge fund manager, her father a cardiologist, her mother and other brother anesthesiologists, and herself a RN. They were not dumb, but the way they supported Donald, even as he banned her Christian relatives from entering the US as they tried to escape the bullshit going on in Syria.

But if there was one thing those people would never back down on was there dislike of all things Turkey. They even held Turkish children born today in someway accountable for the Armenian Genocide (not that I ever agreed with that).

Now that Donald is basically spitting on the (mass) graves of her ancestor, I have to wonder if she or her family have finally reached their breaking point.

[–]Austaras 69 points70 points  (0 children)

My bet is on NOPE.

[–]12172031 43 points44 points  (18 children)

If they are anything like my parents then likely not. They'll call it fake news, make up some excuse for him and says that it's part of his plan or a negotiating tactic.

My parents are immigrant from a Communist country so they are hardcore Republican and loves Trump. They used to hate all things Russian. During the campaign, I thought Trump's association with Russia would make them abandon him but they just think it was fake news or the Democrat's attempting to smear Trump.

[–]Messisfoot 3 points4 points  (12 children)

My parents are kinda like that in that they are staunch small government proponents but they can't stand all the crazy religious overtones present in American conservatives. They thought that small government meant small government. Not the "small government for your stuff, big government for mine" approach going on woth the GOP.

Its such a shame really. If Republicans could get past the racism and religious fanaticism, they could get a lot more minority votes.

[–]RealNameIsJohn 12 points13 points  (12 children)

I seriously doubt it. I live in Texas, and I know this Mexican guys whos dad is vehemently for Trump despite all of the crap he's said against Mexicans. Oh yeah, this guy is just a restaurant employee who works in a kitchen.

I'm not sure if they're first gen or second gen American's, but it's crazy how they think they are considered "Americans" first and not Mexican, because for the most part, if you asked someone, they would be called Mexicans. Especially if you asked Trump lol

[–]Messisfoot 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I know a couple of guys that illegal entered and stayed in the US and vehemently support that moron.

Truly, the way politicians manipulate people to vote against their own interests is amazing, if depressing.

[–]RoyceJulius 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Well, if you ask one of their republican friends, they’re “one of the good ones”, and therefore an honorary non-Mexican.

It’s all inane bullshit, but there’s a trend in the US that recent immigrants tend to be the first to want to close the door of immigration behind them. It’s also funny that as a pro-corporate back of house staff, he’s actively against his own interests, thinking that social programs are out to take from him rather than aid him. We view collective programs in the US as something that the poor has and abuses and don’t realize that as a unified, non-striated collective we have incredible wealth and bargaining power to push towards our own benefit. It’s insane, but he doesn’t want to admit his “otherness” (as a Mexican) nor his low-income status (as back of house) and therefore rallies against it in a futile attempt to simply not be that. That’s my guess anyway, I’m just a bartender so I deal with folk in the industry like this now and again and it’s basically always the same and incredibly frustrating, but also hilarious.

[–]bioneuralnetwork 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a Cypriot American and normally most of the Cypriots I hang out with are fairly right wing. All this shit with Turkey has definitely soured a lot of them on Trump however.

[–]aHungGreek 8 points9 points  (7 children)


As someone of greek descent, who I'm fairly certain had ancestors who fled just prior to the genocide, these people you are talking about to are just assholes


Why are you phrasing it as if their opinion on Trump is only thing that matters in this situation? What the fuck is it with Americans and their insistence to make everything about Trump.

Hurr Durr finally they will support migration now that Trump continued to be an idiot! GOT THEM. No that isn't how it works. A belief that people shouldn't just be free to move wherever they want to move is not going to be shaken just because some people hate Turkey.

My opinion on Turkey are as follows: When they threaten to send migrants into Europe I don't like them, when they argue that Syrian refugees should be resettled in Syria I like them. Turkey has nothing to do with the genocide despite the fact that they like to deny it happened, and they have just as much of a right to stop people from settling in Turkey as Europe has to stop people from settling in Europe, or my country of Canada has to prevent people from moving here if we were choose to prevent people from moving here.

It is the people who think people should just be allowed to move wherever they feel like with no regard for the people who already live there who are the common enemy of all people who care about their own community's survival. Turkey may have been an enemy of Armenian survival 100 years ago, but now it is the people who don't respect the idea of nations existing at all.

Armenians lived under Communism who split Armenia with Turkey in the name of "anti-imperialist solidarity" years before Turkey learnt the lesson that when you make your bed with communists your sheets tend to get redistributed and asked the United States for help when the Soviets started to eye the Bosporus. Regional politics is a difficult one and there are many unresolved issues, but Communism is a greater threat to the existence of all groups as its intended end goal is the elimination of all difference in the pursuit of an indistinguishable mass of proletariot around the entire globe, and as long as there are Red Guards running around like in China's cultural revolution asking for things to be destroyed because they are offensive, people are not going to side with the people who complain about things being offensive.

I prefer Armenian/Greek Genocide deniers to people who use the Armenian/Greek genocide to advance Communist causes. Low key I've had this opinion about the Holocaust all throughout the time I was dating a Israeli girl, but I never spoke about it because I didn't have the necessary "oppression points" to call out the bullshit that surround genocide politics, now that as a person of Greek descent that "my" genocide is the one in the forefront I'm using this opportunity to lay out my position plainly.

[–]tbk007 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Communism?

Communism is still a boogeyman the right can't get over when for fuck's sake, no one is advocating for it. Just because capitalism is a cancerous failure of a system doesn't mean that the only other option is being a fucking Communist. But the right aren't known for expansive imaginations.

[–]mlhradio 3 points4 points  (1 child)

100% chance that she would rather spit on her ancestor's grave right along with trump, rather than admit even the least negative thing about Dear Cult Leader. And then scrub her memory and retcon to say her family was always pro-Turkey since before the day she was born.

Oh, and we've always been at war with Eastasia.

[–]Messisfoot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not sure how you can claim that with any degree of certainty. I'm not even sure and I dated her. For all you know, I could've made this all up.

Just saying, even when bashing Trump, unwarranted certainty makes you sound silly.

[–]domeoldboys 13 points14 points  (0 children)

What a farce of a man.

[–]ReshKayden 44 points45 points  (0 children)

“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul. It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two.”

  • Trump, 2015


  • Ivanka, 2012

[–]Richard31328 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Trump is a fucking moron’s idea of a smart person.

[–]gmil3548 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I wish we could make an alternate universe machine so I could see how Fox News would spin this as ok

[–]viewerdoer 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Do we believe Erdogan though?

[–]Kak_room 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I don't distrust Erdogan more than I trust Trump to do something as evil as this.

The source isn't very good, though.

[–]Parictis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The only thing surprising is that he keeps managing to surprise me. Every time I think he’s hit bottom he pulls out a bigger shovel.

[–]StarWarriors 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Sorry, but doesn't Erdogan have some incentive to destabilize the US just like Russia? I'm not sure I trust his word on this one.

[–]kamxnaj 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Trump is free to say that Erdogan is lying and he never said that etc. Just like when Erdogan claimed Trump called him to apologize after Erdogan's bodyguards assaulted protestors in D.C. - Trump was free to tell people that conversation never happened (he didn't).

[–]musicninja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We'll see if Trump denies it. At that point, one of them offers proof (although it's hard for Trump to offer negative proof) or we just have to choose which terrible person to believe.

Ideally we would be in a timeline where believing Erdogan would be ludicrous, because the president would never say that. But here we are.

[–]politicsmodsareweak 41 points42 points  (13 children)

TBH wholesale slaughter of unarmed civilians does fit the US definition of war.

[–]aberta_picker 11 points12 points  (3 children)

William Laws Calley Jr. And My Lai, Vietnam would be an example

[–]listyraesder 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Afghan mountain villages, Pakistani weddings, Iraq.

[–]noolarama 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Dresden. Nagasaki.

[–]Fading_Joy 1 point2 points  (0 children)


nice meme dude

[–]WillemDaFo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said U.S. President Donald Trump had asked him whether it would be more suitable to use the word war instead of calling the mass deportation of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire in 1915 a genocide, pro-government daily Sabah reported on Friday.

[–]Krishnath_Dragon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funny, they should call the murder of hundreds of thousands Armenians a "mass deportation."

[–]Branflakes- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

(Public Relations a Public Relations Public Relations)

Trump: why is this failing? Let’s do more

[–]listyraesder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Trumplets already tried to rebrand Auschwitz a "Holocaust Center" so sure why not this.

[–]dbejsfau 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So erdogan admits it was a genocide?

[–]mustardmind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no. even If he did, wouldn't change the facts as much as US voting wouldn't matter the historical facts.

[–]chasjo 12 points13 points  (6 children)

We were told for years that the opposition the US was arming in Syria were "freedom fighters" by both parties...right up until the point that these freedom fighters started working for Turkey to ethnically cleanse the Kurds. It's not an excuse for Trump being a fascist scumbag, but it should make people think about US foreign policy more broadly.

[–]Kenitzka 7 points8 points  (3 children)

iirc correctly there were two separate factions the us was arming in Syria between the state department and the CIA.

US foreign policy is a mess indeed. When did all this start again?

[–]OblivionAhead 5 points6 points  (1 child)

(iirc already contains correctly)

don't mind me, just keep scrolling...

[–]Latwe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another day of winning!

[–]coredweller1785 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What kind of nightmare is this?

[–]Runkleford 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there anything where Trump doesn't have a shitty take on? I mean there's absolutely nothing redeeming about this man whatsoever.

[–]NotAKentishMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trump is just scared of a dictator, they bring on his bone spurs...

[–]PrinceAli311 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there a more well known source for this?

[–]td__30 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t doubt it , he’ll say or do anything to get some kickback. Probably got promised a trump tower in Turkey in 2025

[–]xenata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any price to line his own pockets while in office

[–]cransis 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Erdoğan said that he had rejected the suggestion on the grounds that two states should counter each other to call something a war

Even Erdogan rejected this because he acknowledged one side had no capacity to fight back.

[–]johnbob1t1 0 points1 point  (5 children)

So it’s ok that trump asked him if he should call it a war?

[–]ferruleeffect 2 points3 points  (9 children)

This is a earlier comment i made on the subject. A summary from my POV if you will.

I am a turkish guy on his bed after a boring shift at the hospital so let me run it down for you. - Ottoman empire was going weak starting at late 1700ish. - Ottomans lost a bunch of land to the new nationalistic states( bulgaria, greece etc) - Ottomans lost serious ground in the middle east to english and in north africa to italy. - when the ww1 started Ottoman empire had a really ( and i mean really) shitty army. - OE at the beginning of the war tried to side with England but england refused - So ruling power ( ittihat ve terakki cemiyeti- sorry don’t know it in english) decided to side with germany and the co. - now backtrack, russia had a lot of cloud with the minorities in eastern anatolia( armenian) and in the balkans with other orthodox nations. This was due to the multiple treaties done with russia and russia was the guarantor of these minorities. - when the shitshownof ww1 began, eastern front of OE was so underprepped that OE lost 80k soldiers to frostbite without fighting. So russia came and took these places without any resistances and massacred people. ( this is happening in north east part of todays turkeys border btw.) - and armenian people seeing that the russia was coming they started to uprise against ottomans. ( south east side of the now turkish teritory) Now this was war, so both sides did a lot of killing. - and the istanbul government, seeing this uprising decided to ‘move’ armenian people to south ( to syria) - Now armenians died during this time, some say OE genocided them, some say it was wartime, they rebelled so they die fighting and had to relocate them and they die in the desert.

Now i personally believe that there were no genocide. I personally don’t believe that, atm, Ottoman empire had the forces to kill 300k to 1.5m people there. Now there is no doubt that lots of armenian people died, some died rebelling against OE, some died as a result of the ‘move’ But was it a genocide like the jews had at the hand of nazi germany, i’d have to say no to that.

Also: there are lots of armenian people living in turkey free with their beliefs.

[–]thedugong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I understand where you are coming from, and Turkey is certainly not alone in weaseling out of collective punishment on a similar scale - all of the former great powers are very guilty of this within 50-100 years of the Armenian genocide, USA, UK/Australia/Canada, France, Germany (not just the nazis, they genocided the herero people of Nambia before this) and Russia/USSR all have genocidal skeletons in their closet and regularly debate semantics.

The measure for me is if people are collectively punished - being punished because of the ethnic group they belong to - the rest is semantics. Did the Armenian women and children rise up? Did every Armenian rise up and fight against the OE? What proportion of Armenians rose up? etc etc.

[–]MuddySocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's going to do it.

[–]Diplodocus114 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Might just as well say Hitler and the Jews were at war. Obviously he has never read anything about the situation - as usual.

How could it be a "war" when the Armenian's didn't even have any forces? One of the first things the Turks did was execute Armenians serving in the Turkish army. The Turks deported and massacred an entire ethnic group.

Trump can't just go around rewriting history to curry favours.

[–]JLord 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Would there be any significance either way if Trump issued a statement that in his opinion there wad or wasn't a genocide? Would it make any difference what a senile, mentally deranged president thinks?

[–]Aracnida 7 points8 points  (1 child)

When that person is the representative of the opinion of the United States of America it might make a big fucking difference.

[–]harlottesometimes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did it matter when the same senile old man moved the US embassy to Jerusalem? They Palestinian people sure thought so.

[–]SystemThreat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The peaceful Right. Remember when Hillary was supposed to be the warmonger?

[–]Leathery420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean in a sense genocide is a war. Though it's a war against a genetic group rather than a state/organization. Doesn't make it any better for it to be recognized as such.

[–]DoctorLongJohnson 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What does it matter what Trump "names" something? We all know what it was. Name it "a banana split" for all I care.

[–]wizardbase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Identity politics, you are in the in-group or the out-group based on what terms you use or don't use.

[–]cryo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the term war doesn’t preclude genocide. But this wasn’t a war.

[–]jakobako 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't beleive a fart that came out of Erdogan's arse if I smelt it 12 seconds later

[–]breadfred1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trump. Rewriting history right in front of you.

[–]colormebadorange 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure he did 🙄

[–]enfiel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A war against innocent civilians.

[–]bluntedaffect 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He hates Armenians, too? Is there anyone he doesn't hate?

[–]yalogin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the bull in a China shop situation in real life and his supporters are all “awww isn’t he cute?”