Monday, September 22, 2008









  1. To whoever wrote this post:

    If you really care about promoting Israel and its merits: you should demonstrate at the very least tolerance for a group and their opinions, even if they challenge Israeli PR campaigns. Hillel is not a fortress where only one type of opinion is allowed.

    Why should one fear questioning and participation from people with opposing opinions? If the group you talk about holds such flagrantly racist and hateful opinions, why were they invited to Hillel in the first place? Certainly, they weren't screaming racial slurs, and your charges that "SJP is a hate group that spreads vicious antisemitic attacks on Israel" is entirely false. Students for Justice in Palestine produces a high volume of student literature which is heavily cited with accurate and intellectual Israeli and Palestinian perspectives; they are approachable on campus to anyone who has questions, concerns or debates on the issue, and they have never supported or encouraged racist or offensive approaches to the issue. As a matter of fact, they were quick to stand in solidarity with the Jewish community at Cal against hate speech recently, and they have always extended a willingness to cooperate and dialogue with ANYONE. Anyone on campus knows this, so don't try to speak for people in that way. If anything, SJP has shown itself to be the only group on campus which actively engages Palestinian-identified students and Israeli-identified students (along with a wide variety of different identified students) side-by-side working together to learn about what happens in that region of the world.

    Articles like this are dis-empowering and scary because you are attempting to squash any real and meaningful dialogus.

    It also seems like an attempt to demonize others for having opposing opinions and then to ostracize those who are willing to make the basic and simple gesture of listening to these people.

    Stop trying to polarize our campus, stop trying to scare people into believing the "you're with us or against us" mentality. We do not fear other people's political ideas, and we refuse to be scared or bullied into believing that we should not listen to one another.


    a cal student

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  3. I have a great idea!~ Lets invite the KKK to Hillel for a book reading of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and for a discusssion on Zionist control of government and media.

    Or lets ask "Jews for Jesus" to come to Hillel to talk about theology.

    Students for Just Us in Palestine isn't about peace.
    And everyone on campus knows that.

  4. I'm just wondering- do you think the Israeli perspective will be presented at this upcoming SJP event? Do you think the Jewish community or the students were invited because of the desire for openness and dialog?

    Sunday, Sept.28, 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
    Everett & Jones Barbeque, Banquet Room
    Second & Broadway, Oakland

    Rev. Kelvin Sauls, a South African immigrant and Gerald Lenoir,
    Director of the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, will give an
    account of their recent trips to Palestine and Israel. A
    representative of the Arab Resource Organizing Committee has also been invited to give a perspective on the 60-year-old occupation of Palestine.

    (Yes, they are saying the "occupation" is since 1948. Pretty clear where they are coming from)

    Why are Jewish events expected to include the palestinian narrative, when Palestinian events
    never include the Jewish perspective?

  5. It seems rather obvious that Students for Justice in Palestine essentially hid their actual identity and agenda behind a fake front name in order to use both Hillel's facility and name as cover for an anti-Israel event.

    The comment in support of this transparent dishonesty is rather revealing as to the level of integrity that I've learned to expect from anti-zionists over the years. Similarly, although I have often heard anti-zionists cyniccally using the language of civil rights, open discourse and free speech, in defense of their disruptions of the events of others, at their own events anti-zionists tolerate NO dissenting opinions.

  6. Do not be absurd. Making outlandish comparisons of SJP to hate groups and insinuating that Keshor Enoshi is some sort of a front group is ridiculous. These groups are on campus to promote open discussion and dialogue. Hillel should be a place where all voices from the spectrum of Jewish (and non-Jewish) thought are welcomed. Your right wing politicing seems like some sort of attempt to speak for what Hillel is and what Jews think.

    You are not the official spokes person for all Jews in Berkeley. And, you should really consider why very few Israelis in Berkeley (if any) are supportive of this kind of closed debate you are proposing.

    Keshor Enoshi is a great opportunity for students to explore movements in Israel and connect on a human level to the activists involved. They espouse no political agenda and maybe you should consider that members of SJP attended the meeting not to subvert, but because they support Keshor Enoshi.

    A PR sign about coexistence is really an attempt to close a discussion. If people from SJP want to be a part of Keshor Enoshi, they maybe KE and SJP are the organizations of real coexistence.
    Your are trying to delegitimize the very coexistence that you say you support. This means, you are targeting groups like SJP and KE for personal political goals. And guess what, most people on campus know your tired routine.

    -An. Israeli Student

  7. Isn't SJP the group that sponsored "Israel Apartheid Week" on campus?

    And you say they are for co-existence?

    As I recall, their hateful little event was scheduled on the day of the suicide bombing in Dimona

  8. This post is right on.

    Ignore the cries of Kesher Enoshi members. They have clearly indicated they align themselves with SJP. SJP isn't just non-Zionist; they are a hate group. There are countless incidents over the last few years that prove that.

    P.S. Just like Jewish members of SJP have prefaced everything they say with "I'm a Jew," "Israelis" (usually people who left the country before 10 years old) use their Israeli citizenship status in the same way.

    Kesher Enoshi doesn't have the authority to tell Israel or actual Israelis what to do. Their group is a nicer sounding SJP.

  9. we need to save hillelSeptember 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM

    SJP has proudly chanted "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free." While doing so they flash a sign with the entire land of israel covered in a palestinian flag.

    any jewish person who even associates with them is making a mistake. its members should never be allowed in hillel and neither should this group aligned closely with them.

    only a jewish organization like hillel would let its total enemies inside their premises. berkeley hillel is in serious danger.

  10. Its like this cat:

    America is a complex country. On one hand, we have a land where the next president might very well be African American. On the other hand, we have a land where incidents like those in Jena, LA still occur. One does not negate the other. America, humanity, Israel, the world are too complex to be judged as simply good or evil- they are places where good and evil simply exist.

    So any conversation about racism in Israel that doesn’t touch upon Israel’s affirmative action programs to get more Arabs into universities and government position is one sided. Does the discussion include the information about the discrimination Christians have faced in Palestinian controlled areas? Does it talk about some of the remarkable inroads Israel has made in dealing with its racial issues? When you attend an event like those sponsored by Kesher- ask your self- Is it meant to inform or incite? Is it an invitation to dialog or an attempt at demonization?

    Someone much smarter than I wrote this a while ago.
    I don’t know who you are, Jon Haber, but I’ve copied this to my hard drive because you are absolutely right:
    “The mechanism I use to promote a healthy dialog on any political subject is the accountant’s balance sheet, with credits, debits and standards. Using this metaphor, a political movement (like Zionism, Liberalism, Marxism, Arab Nationalism, Conservativism, etc.) or political entities (Israel, the France, the Soviet Union, Syria, the United States) have their virtues lined up on the “credit” side of the ledger and their failings lined up under “debits.” The trick is that such a balance sheet can never be looked at in a vacuum, but can only be compared to the balance sheet of other political movements, nations, etc.
    This technique is not meant to turn every debate into a “but he’s worse” argument. Rather, it assumes that any political project or entity exists in the real world and thus can only be evaluated by comparing it to other real-world equivalents. This is a far fairer way of making political and moral judgments than creating different standards with which to judge one society vs. another, a kind of moral double bookkeeping that often forces people to tie themselves into intellectual pretzels trying to explain why one nation (such as Israel) must be judged by how far it strays from perfection while other nations must be judged solely by their peaceful rhetoric, or not subject to any judgment whatsoever.”

    When I compare Israel to its real world equivalents, I am very happy with what I see. No, its not perfect, but it’s the nicest place in the neighborhood.

  11. Hillel should be a fortress where Jews can be safe from anti-Semitism. And, the epitome of anti-Semitism is equating Zionism with racism, apartheid, and other such nonsense. SJP have no place in Hillel. Hillel exists to protect Jews and defend Zionism and Israel.

    Robin A. Dubner
    Attorney At Law
    Oakland, CA

  12. Does anyone know if a Hillel somewhere in the country has set a precedent by banning leaders of antisemitic groups from even entering their facilities (non-jewish leaders)?

    I think someone should petition the Hillel to ban at least the non-Jewish people from even entering. If these people are going to be allowed in then Hillel should get security...

  13. "I think someone should petition the Hillel to ban at least the non-Jewish people from even entering"

    That would be wrong and that would be discriminatory.

    But it is also wrong to turn Hillel into a supportive venue for those committed to the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state. That violates both the mission and the spirit of Hillel

  14. Isn't it ok to criticize Israel?

    What's wrong with Hillel hosting an event designed to offer constructive criticism to Israel?

    Eight years ago I would have sided with these people demanding "open dialogue". Now I see these cries for what they really are: attempts to demonize Israel.

    The people that want to destroy Israel have discovered that they can train the naive to demonize Israel by creating forums for relentless criticism of Israel. The criticism typically depends on
    - being out of proportion,
    - applying double standards (do you hold Israels neighbors to the same standards and relentlessly hold such meetings about Israels neighbors?
    - offering misleading half-truths (that is, "accurate" in a narrow sense but creating a false impression by omitting critical details"), and
    - sprinkled with outright lies (e.g. calling a barrier a "wall" even though it is 96% NOT a wall.)

    Those "innocents" that fall for this stuff will defend their right to criticize Israel, without giving serious thought to the issues of double standards, demonization, proportional response, etc.

    No, bad behavior on the part of Israel's neighbors is no excuse for any behavior on the part of Israel.

    But I'm talking about YOUR behavior, those of you so eager to criticize Israel that you are, in effect, training the world that Israel is such a horrible place, by applying relentless criticism that you DON'T apply to other countries where civil rights are FAR worse.

    You may be well meaning (perhaps), but you are being used by people that want to destroy Israel.

    YES, this does create a dilemma for those that want to honestly and constructively criticize Israel. But the problem is real, and you cannot waive it away by pretending that you offer your one-sided, disproportional, double-standard based criticism in a vacuum. You don't. You are dropping it into a conversation designed to generate hatred of Israel, and a world that is eager to hate Jews.

    Art M.

  15. These problems have been something weve been dealing with since 2000. At the University of Michigan, Columbia University, and especialy Berkeley. Let me tell you a little bit about why this happens. It happens because of us Jew who are trying to be way to nice to everyone even to our worst enemies. American Jews in majority have gotten accustomed to a reactionary response than to a proactive way of doing things with regards to support of Israel and the protection of Judaism on campuses. The day this ends is the day Jews get out of their comfort zone and start feeling uncomfortable about what they are doing and that is becoming a confrotnational unit.

    I was involved in many hasbarah groups and units in Michigan, I have seen the other side and the power they have and the only reason they have that power is because of a unified force to support a cause all the way no matter what the price is, the place, and the scenario is. When you get out of your comfortable zone in life I learned is when you become more effective because there is a worth to the cause you are fighting for and unfortunately American Jews havent done that. And that is why we are going to be overpowered by the Anti Israeli movements through colleges around the country and even throughout different place around the country. The day we start feeling uncomfortable about what we are fighting for and the day we become proactive that is the day were going to be taken serious. Until then we cannot do a thing. And by the way this is not a conservative or liberal issue this has become a Jewish American issue (on both sides).

  16. This behavior by Hillel is nothing new. See:

    DAFKA, like Tikvah, ws villified and prevented from working with Hillel students by a leftist Hillel director (and his second- in- command, Gordon Gladstone, who are opposed to a "greater Israel" and are leftists of the variety that they would help end Israel as a Jewish state. This is proven by thier attempt to prevent the ZOA from being part of Hillel also. Kesher, by having SJP leaders atted in Hillel is an Arab front group of communist radical wannabes at Cal. Walid Shoebat's appearance at Cal on OCtober 29th was not promoted or even posters allowed advertising the event by Hillel even though it was proIsrael. Yet the SJP can meet in Hillel. It's time Hillel stopped being an ostrich with its head in the sand and get rid of leftist directors who try to control what Jewish students on campus see and hear--especially when it is against a Jewish state.

  17. All students at Cal KNOW that Kesher Enoshi is an SJP front Group. It was a Yaman Salahi invention from from years ago. SJP has always promoted Kesher Enoshi events on their email lists. This was the first time:

    Hi everybody,

    SJP will be participating in the "Progressive Activists Coming Together" conference at UC Berkeley tomorrow (Sunday!) between 12 and 5pm.

    Our presentation will be at 12:45. Please go to 2050 VLSB, and you will be re-directed from there. The theme is, "Approaching Palestine: Overcoming Divisions and Coming Together for Justice," and the presentation will include a very brief history of Palestine, some of the key issues today, a little bit about the apartheid analysis, some information about the divestment campaign, and some other comments about discourse regarding Palestine and Israel.

    Please come through if you get the chance, and check out the presentations that other groups will be putting on. In particular, you might be interested in the presentation by a new student group, Kesher Enoshi: Progressives for Activism in Israel.