tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12543231.post7912925069863380298..comments2019-07-16T23:34:18.738-05:00Comments on NT/History Blog: The Human Spirit - 4Bill Heromanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12543231.post-65297620242893119062009-10-04T20:05:52.732-05:002009-10-04T20:05:52.732-05:00Yes, the Holy Spirit did &quot;come upon&quot;, at...Yes, the Holy Spirit did &quot;come upon&quot;, at times, and I won&#39;t even try to be a pronoun Nazi about upon vs. within, but it seems to have been situational &amp; temporary. Did the HS make a lifelong home inside any human being in the OT? I don&#39;t see that.<br /><br />The Spirit of God &quot;filled&quot; Bezalel son of Uri, while he worked on the Tabernacle and John the Baptist was filled with the HS &quot;even from birth&quot;. Those are rare examples, I&#39;d think. But John doesn&#39;t seem to have kept as firm a hold on his indwelling God as Jesus did.<br /><br />I think Abraham &amp; David had genuine, deep &amp; devout personal relationships with God. All I&#39;m suggesting is that their receptive communication with God was through physical mediums - messengers, prophets, or audibly. <br /><br />I presume, anyway, from reading Genesis, that God&#39;s speaking to Abraham was audible. Should we assume it was telepathic?<br /><br />I think most devout christians have these kinds of relationships with God, but rely on a fairly blind faith, &quot;receving&quot; divine communication through scripture, through &quot;revelation&quot; or through bishops - all three of which are liable to superstitious subjectivity. <br /><br />With great humility and an emphasis on the majors, that&#39;s not too bad. I&#39;ve pretty much lived the same kind of faith-life myself. But I think Jesus lived something very different with God. <br /><br />Also, I think He wanted us to grow into the same kind of experience. I think we can get there with years of learning. And I think traditional authority figures have pish-poshed this as &#39;mysticism&#39; which sometimes makes people &#39;unstable&#39;. That&#39;s like saying, let&#39;s walk everywhere because wild horses throw everyone off. No. Tame the horses.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12543231.post-44176453351479877182009-10-04T17:08:00.096-05:002009-10-04T17:08:00.096-05:00Doesn&#39;t the Bible state that the Holy Spirit c...Doesn&#39;t the Bible state that the Holy Spirit came upon OT prophets? See for example Numbers 11:25,29. Surely that means that these prophets, presumably including Abraham and David, had a spiritual relationship with God similar, but not identical perhaps, with what Christians have today. What is new in the New Covenant is that the Spirit has been poured out on everyone who believes, Acts 2:17-21.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.com