Tuesday, May 13, 2014

Good News for Sad Muslims

If we pointed out the following disturbing fact and our lack of surprise in light of what Muhammad practiced and preached we would be called Islamaphobes. It would be said that we are seizing on the plight of certain people in order to prosecute our irrational agenda against Islam, the very religion professed by those who are at the bottom of this atrocity, not to mention so many other atrocities. Thankfully, even people like Yahya Snow, in spite of their best efforts to gloss over such things, are often constrained to admit certain obvious and telling facts, even if they are unsettling:

I know that it is very likely only for propaganda purposes that Yahya bemoans the above fact, i.e. in order to make Islam palatable for people in the West, but even if we make the very charitable assumption that Yahya's lamentation is sincere, I wonder if he also sincerely believes, or if he sincerely and seriously wants us to believe, that his private beliefs and practices are a more authoritative example of what Islam is in both theory and practice than what is taught and followed by EVERY MUSLIM COUNTRY on the planet? In addition, even if we assume that Islam does not teach Muslims to commit such heinous acts, and also does not teach Muslim countries to sit idly by when such things are happening, how do Muslims like Yahya account for the pervasiveness and the gravity of such evil, both on the part of the Muslim perpetrators and Muslim spectators, in light of Islam's denial of the fall and human depravity? As well, if Islam actually teaches Muslims to behave in an altogether different fashion than what we see being carried out and tacitly approved by proactive Muslims and inactive Muslim countries, what accounts for the fact that they evidence no power or ability to live up to the requirements of Islam?

The answer to the latter question is that Islam has no Gospel; no good news for guilt-ridden, corrupt human beings. Even if Islam actually taught all the lofty ideals, virtues, and laws that Yahya, contrary to Boko Haram and all Muslim countries, pretends it does, Islam can do nothing to actually remove the guilt, cleanse the consciences, or transform the hearts of those who subscribe to it. Islam is a dead letter, a death-dealing letter. Islam of course makes all sorts of claims regarding forgiveness and salvation, but it has nothing on which to really ground such claims. It claims that those who come to Allah and Muhammad for forgiveness will subsequently find their law easy, but as Paul Williams pointed out after leaving Islam: "The Quran claims that following the path of Islam is easy (see Surat al-Baqara 185 and passim) and I find myself forced to respectfully disagree with the Quran." (emphasis original)

As Williams' words soberingly admit, Islam does not truly grant assurance to its followers or the power to live out the implications of that forgiveness.

How different and how sweet are the words of the apostle:


Radical Moderate said...

Amen Amen, Islam has no Gospel, gonna keep that one.

BTW in the same article did you notice Yahya provided an "excuse" for Boko Haram. It seems that the Nigerian government captured a few Boko Haram followers and are holding them prisioner with the accusation of torture. So in Yahya's mind this is the reason that Boko Haram kidnapped the girls.

Also it should be pointed out that I asked Yahya in an email if he would support US and Allied military intervention to rescue the girls. His response was NO, since it would be just another case of the US killing innocent Muslims and stealing Muslim lands and resources.

Another point I sent Yaha the video and even a transcript of his fellow countryman, Abu Waleed Islamic hate preacher. Asking Yahya if this was a hate preacher and if he was preaching hate.

Yahya's only response was to first ask me where I got such a video, and second he said he needs to do further "research".

You can watch the video here.


Radical Moderate said...

Part 1
Here is the transcript from Abul Walled Islamic Hate Preacher.

How many contradictions do the charter of the UN and Islam have? We take what Abdullah ibn Abas said, because he was a Companion, From the greats commentators on the Quran.


Article 2, paragraph 1, says that the organisation is based on the principle of sovereignty and equality to all of its members.

Equality to all of its members - is there s uch a thing in Islam? Is there equality of faith?

If we look at one hadith of the prophet on the authority of Abu Huraira, Sahih Muslim.... No Sunni Muslim could really ague against Sahih Muslim or Sahi Bukhari
The Prophet said: Don't greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you, and when you meet any of them on the road, force them to go on the narrower side of it." Imam Malik said the same thing as well.

In fact, Omar Ibn Al-Khattab - about whom the Prophet Muhammad said "If there were to be another prophet after me, it would be Omar Ibn Al-Khattab"...

In his own charter - not the Charter of the United Nations - in his charter with the people of the Levant, the Christians of the Levant, (it is stated) that the infidels and the Muslims were not allowed to wear the same clothes as one another. If a Muslim comes out on the day of 'Eid and sees an infidel with nice clothes, the infidel has to take his clothes off and give them to the Muslims. When an infidel walks down the street, he has to wear a red belt around his neck, he has to have his forehead shaved, and he has to wear two shoes that are different from one another. He is not allowed to walk on the pavement. He has to walk in the middle of the of the road, and he has to ride on a mule. This is only for the adults, not for the children.



"Why have you got your forehead shaved?"

"I don't know these Muslims make me do it."

"Why can't your ride the animal like the Muslims, who ride like this? Why are you riding with both legs dangling on the side of he donkey? Why is it everytime a Muslim comes and asks you for your clothes, you give them to him? Why is it every time he tells you to get down from the horse you have to take it?"

Radical Moderate said...

Part 2

Not only that but (omar ibn AL Khattab) said that the infidels can have their churches, bu they are not allowed to ring the bell.

If a Muslim is walking by...Lets say for an example, that a Muslim has bneen on Edwaer Road. . He has had some nice shisha, some nice steak... No huble-bubble - we don't deal with anthing like that. He's walking around rubbing his belly, and he's like: "Oh man, I don't want to upset my wife tonight." What can he do? He can go to the church, knock on the door, and say: "John let me in"

"Ok, no problem"

John has to put up Abd Al-Ghafour for the night. Abd Al GGhafour, with his big belly, having his nice kebab - John has to open up the church, and (allow him) to go and sleep there, nice and comfortable, and he will say: "John thank you," and carry on going, early in he morning.


She would say: "what kind of dishonor is it for me to live with John, and Abd Al-Ghafour comes every Friday night and sleeps in our bed as well?"
Of course... Because Sunna is to look after the guest, right?>

I cant' make you sleep on my floor... And you are a Muslim, by the way...
So what about when Abd Al-Ghafour goes to John's house?
He will say: "John, sleep on the floor, and I'll sleep in the bed."
Whats going to happen?

Tracy is going o be on the floor, thinking:"My husband has got his forehead shaved, and look at this one... He's like Al-Khattab..."Which one is more attractive - We're not gay, but I'm just saying...a man with his forehead shaved, one belt around his neck, and two different colored shoes, or Emir AL -Khattab? Emir Al-Khatab, who we're talking about here now, with that nice Chechen hat, a big beard (hat) a bit to t he side...He's got the badges there: "There is no god but Allah." He's got a big gun. He's got a big camouflage jacket on, nice boots, and gloves as well. Even if he's got a couple of fingers missing, he is still looks attractive.


So everyone is going to become Muslim.

That my dear brothers, is the Islamic state

Thats what Yahya has to do more research on to determine if that is hate speech.

bam bamba said...

Absolutely stunning piece from David once again! I must say that you guys have taught me and many others around the world so much, that I can safely say that we are students of apologetics... thanks for your selfless service. I have used many of the information shared on your website to shoot down many muslims attempts at deceiving about the evils of islam.
Words can not express my gratitude to all of you standing at the forefront to protect our liberty and getting the gospel out in our dark dark world. May the Lord bless you all real good- Amen.

R.Ramanathan said...

Hi David,
I am Ramakrishnan and i am from India. Good work you are doing in bringing out the truth. But the problem is, in India christian missionaries are as bad as Islamic terrorists. By their missionary activities, they have disrupted families communities and even a small village, an event I will tell u about

I tell this bcoz one of my relatives who was very close to me and living in the village, who was a devout Hindu has converted,due to large sums of money given. Now he considers me a "hindu brahmin", the son of the soil as an idolator a infidel etc. I am pained and am disgusted with this kind of interference in family and community structures.

The village i mention of is in south india. Generally the land there is farmed between sep-jan and left fallow between feb-sep. This is a religious belief of the farming community there. As u can see the land regenerates and the villagers take part in community activities during the feb-sep period.

Now a few christian missionaries came in bribed them and converted a few. Now u know whats the result?. These missionaries said that, it was idolatory to follow the earlierfarming pattern . And these missionary rascals goaded them to do the reverse of what was followed. i.e. fallow from sep-jan and cultivation between jan-sep. Also these idiots have told that this was an order from the pope in Rome,even though the bastards were protestants. In india the pope has respect among any christian community irrespective of denomination. so those poor villagers blindly obeyed.

But poor people they were devastated. U must know that summer in india is from march-june and rainy season from july-oct. Also these farmers are predominantly rice growers and u know rice needs lot of standing water that is available during rainy seasons. The idiotic brainless converts cultivated rice when water availability is at its lowestin summer between jan-june, believing Jesus will give them rains(Ofcourse told by who else but the rascals who converted them). But they are ruined, my relative being one among them(he is a land owner). Now this has resulted in strife in the community, between blood relatives. So much for goddamned Jesus F%^%%^ Christs love!!!

What answer do u give for this kind of religious "prostitution", were missionaries in the name of helping the poor split century old community structures(making infidels of people who have lived in the land since ages and cultivated it. damn it!!), spoil agricultural patterns attuned to local seasons and geography and cause economic ruin?. Is this all ur goddamned christ can do?. Shame on him!!!. It sickens me.

R.Ramanathan said...

I have seen anybody becoming either a christian or muslim in India looking towards bethlehem or arabia, as if though they were born and brought up there. They acquire a visceral hate for their mother country and villages they were born into. They hate the very rivers, forests and mountains that nurtured them. Instead they look at the bone dry and scorching deserts of the middle east, where arose all the 3 Abrahamic faiths as their home. Their hearts after conversion are as parched and lifeless as the deserts of the middle east. Wearing ornaments, local music and dance, beautiful temple sculptures and statues and food customs or either haram, idolatory or whatever is the word for "prohibited". So is the same for ancestor worship and worship of animals which are part of the local ecology and contribute to welfare of natural resources.

For example farmers worship snakes and give food to it in form of eggs. That helps to keep the rat population in check. Thus saving crops from rodents.But those missionaries told the villages who converted that they were worshipping Satan. Automatically rat population increases in the village and plagued houses and crops.

In conclusion, all 3 abrahamic, desert faiths have a sense of superiority and christianity is no less than the other 2 faiths.
Though as of now christianity does not wage war as it did 300-400yrs ago with weapons. It is conducting the kind of warfare i mentioned above. Shame on it!!!. This is not just a narration and is written in personal pain and sadness in the loss of a very long/generations old relationship and has made me a "infidel" in the very land in which my ancestors have lived.

In short "The blindening love of christ"

Yours sincerely

hugh watt said...

What would Yahya say to this?

No Muslim nation stepping-up to help these girls is not the least bit surprising. Will Yahya object to the treatment of Meriam Yahia Ibrahim?

Sudan: Woman faces death penalty for apostasy after marrying Christian

David Wood said...

Bam Bamba said: "Absolutely stunning piece from David once again!"

I've written my share of stunning pieces, but this one's from Anthony.

william t said...

i'm surpises yayha hasn't tried to put the blame of the kidnapped girls on some zionist conspiracy. thats the kind of foolish rhetoric i get when talking to muslims in the uk about the atrocities committed in the name of islam.

Anonymous said...

Muslims are too busy LYING saying Boko Haram is not following Islam and the Quran, which they are.

Muslims are trolling on Youtube and media comment sections with these 'gems';

1) Muslims write "this is not Islam".

The Quran 4:23 to 4:24 and other verses and the hadiths beg to differ. Boko Haram is following the same path as their prophet Muhammad

2)Muslims make a comparison with the Westboro Baptist Church and Boko Haram;

Westboro Baptist Church is ONE family of around 12 people. They are condemned by every Christian, while most Muslim terrorists are not. In Many Muslim countries, including Muslims living in the west they tend to side with Islamic terrorism and even admire them. Also Westboro Baptist Church does not kidnap anyone, blow anyone up, or bomb any planes, or rape anyone, or kill anyone like the Muslim terrorists

3) Hitler was a Christian and killed 6 Million Jews;

Hitler despised Christianity, and didn't kill Jews based on religion. He did it based on racism, and fear of Communism. Also Christian majority countries like UK, Australia, the USA and Canada DEFEATED Hitler and the Nazis, while thousands of European Muslims gladly joined Hitler and the Nazis

4) Timothy McVeigh was a Christian terrorist;

Timothy McVeigh was an ATHEIST and said so. he went between being an atheist to being an agnostic. He didn't bomb the building in OKC because of religion, he did because he was anti-government, unlike Muslim terrorists who do so based on their faith in Islam.

5) The Western Media is trying to make Islam and Muslims look bad:

This one is most funniest. If anything the Western Media PROTECTS Islam and Muslims. Most western media attack anyone who says that Islam is a problem and will tend to whitewash Islam.

Anonymous said...

R. Ramanathan, you said,

"so those poor villagers blindly obeyed"

That's the problem right there. Faith in Christ is based on reason and logic, not blind faith. If the villagers ignored the God ordained seasons in favor of some ignorant advice from some ignorant people, then how is it Christ's fault, since that is not even the advice which he himself would have given?

The seasons do not change just because someone does or does not view them superstitiously.

Kufar Forever said...

@ Ramanathan R
hard to believe that the missionaries pay someone to accept Christianity, problem is, how shallow is your faith that someone can buy you off or is the change of heart based on conviction?
I say, maybe you can get yourself "converted" for the money and once you have the money in your hand, just go back to your old ways.
Just remember to let us know the amount you received, can you?

Carlos said...


Sorry but this "paid to be christian" or "paid to believe in Christ" is more a myth/PROPAGANDA than truth.

Sadhu Sudhar Singh a well known Indian christian evangelist who left his wealth to be poor so he could spread the gospel.

How about Mother Theresa ? she has been acknowledged as some sort of saint by all people from all religions in India.

Non-christians ESPECIALLY MOSLEMS are eager to accuse christian charity as some type of bribe.

But we can see from Mother Theresa' work as perfect example she had never forced anyone to be christian yet she always proclaimed that what he did was to show Christ' Love.

Christians are obliged to do charitable works to make the name of the Christ well known but still we give it for free without forcing anybody to convert.

And it won't make any sense to "bribe" since "the bribed convert" would only stay in faith as long as the money flows. It's so obvious no christian institution capable to sustain a continuous flow to keep the faith of these "bribed convert"

Above of all there are so many "true christians" living in poor condition(especially in islamic countries) and ready to give their life for faith despite of their poor condition.

The money would be far more beneficial for them instead of giving it to "bribed converts".

Lastly, it's actually the accuser themselves who are doing the very thing they accuse on christians.


[Sura 9:60]

Islam is the ONLY religion that specifically & explicitly ordered in their Holy book to BRIBE NON-MUSLIM SO THEY WOULD CONVERT

The Logic is this , AFTER the non-muslim is converted then there would be no need to keep bribing them since APOSTASY IS CONDEMNABLE BY DEATH

R.Ramanathan said...

I did not say Seasons changed with christ, but the pattern of agriculture changes with conversion. Wat is done normally and for centuries is turned around, just bcoz they are infidel beliefs and the church people stimulate such things

I never took any money and i am firmly rooted. It is the guys who were converted i talked aboubr And also the money they give is continuous and the converted people are forced to attend mass on sunday, failing which the chuch goons threaten them. Remember most of them are poort, and are instigated on payment of money. Most do not know wat kind of mess they are in

Kufar Forever said...

I never said you took the money, good that you hold to your beliefs. Rather you agree to get 'converted' see they amount you get and let us know, because that would be more reliable than accusing others of being bribed, this complaint is far too familiar among my south Indian friends. I understand that there is particular time & season for planting & harvesting & its been reliable through the ages, but saying the missionaries recommending a different season, again does not make sense.

Devotee of Christ said...

Ramanathan, I'm from Tirunelveli and now live in Chennai. I know the ground reality, so you can just cut the bullcrap. You've come and pasted this over here to troll and because most are foreigners over here and would be naive to these oft promoted yet completely false propaganda. While I agree that protestant evangelists are notoriously persistent and shrewd you "forced conversions" and "goons" can't fool anyone. You're just pissed that people with no grounding in their faith is finding solace in something hitherto unknown to them. And please stop with the "air of superiority" and "loss of culture" comments. Please study the background of st thomas christians and syrian christians. As far as the beauty of hinduism goes do you want me to spill the razing of marakkanam here?

Humble Serf said...

Hello R.Ramanathan,

The truth is you dont like the fact that people have decided to follow Christ. Would your opinion change if a non-Indian converted to Hinduism? Would you charge the non-Indian convert to hinduism with having "a visceral hate for their mother country"?? Shall we state that hinduism is also engaging in a warfare on non-Indian nations?

You are blaming christian missionaries for changing the farming pattern. By the same token, are you also blaming the hindu godmen and hindu missionaries who are doing the same? Or are the special sentiments reserved only for the christians?

I suggest that you spend time in introspection rather than simply accuse Christianity and missionaries. If you could spend enough time on writing your comments, you can definitely take the time to study the personhood of Christ.

Yours sincerely,
Humble Serf

edison prithiviraj said...

to mr. ramanathan this Edison i live in chennai and i have relatives in many villages in south and they and i have given our lives to Jesus not for money or white missionaries... we have given ourselves because He has given His only Son on the cross to take our sins and we don't have sacrifice any more chickens and goats to the gods and goddesses ask for child sacrifices and Devadasi girls for the priest in the temple my Father is full of love and we jus cant resist His love for us. The Story that you have posted is same story told by most of the hindus to put down Christ and His workers. with all due respect pls keep the crap with you and come out to know the truth and it will set you free.