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Would you close them? When 9/11 hit, Sacramento county got antsy and closed down the road over Folsom dam and eventually commissioned a bridge to be constructed right in front of the dam.

Same thing happened with Hoover Dam in Nevada

Is it just me, or am I the only one who thinks this is a colossal waste of money and time? Officially it was closed because the city was worried traffic over the dam might weaken it, but everyone knows they're scared of terrorists "Bombing" it.

I personally don't know how a terrorist might try to destroy a reinforced concrete superstructure. They seem to like coffee shops more anyways.
2 pvtnum1122nd Feb 2011 03:08:38 PM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Coffee shops are also easier to hit.

Dams typically have lots of security and monitoring, making them difficult to waltz in and bomb - although driving a giant tractor-trailer rig over one and detonating it would work, I'd think - the trick would be to get the truck past the checkpoints and stuff, and that's a lot of explosives to risk losing on getting caught.
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3 Barkey22nd Feb 2011 03:10:36 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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You'd be surprised at what the proper application of explosives on a central point can do. Dams aren't made to take several rockets and RPG's to one point, or if it was someone who could get down into the lower levels where all the important stuff is. A suicide vest going off in the control center of a dam would be pretty disastrous.

I know that's a physical security issue, but just sayin.
4 Morven22nd Feb 2011 03:18:14 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
I don't think it's wholly stupid, at least. There is a risk, and the potential death toll could be very high for some dams, as could the economic cost. That's already a better argument than most of the stupid things done for "security" after 9/11. It's possible the cost/benefit analysis would show it as not worth it compared to other risks, though.
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Actually closing the road however, does nothing to prevent that though.

It's like schools that got paranoid after Colombine and decided to install metal detectors and ban trenchcoats. It's a false sense of security.
6 pvtnum1122nd Feb 2011 03:43:33 PM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
^ YES. But they must appease the masses because... well, I'm a bit fuzzy on that part, actually.
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7 Acebrock22nd Feb 2011 03:52:53 PM from So-Cal , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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^^ Because people act like scared sheep when theyre in a group, so you have to appease them constantly to make them think they ARENT living in a world where the goverment is just winging it as they go along.
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9 Morven22nd Feb 2011 05:20:25 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
Closing the road means you can't fill a dump truck full of explosives and explode it in the middle. It's only one way of attacking, but it's the big dumb one.
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Big rigs weren't going over it before. But ours is a small dam, I can't speak for the likes of Hoover.

Regardless, I don't think a fence and a few concrete barriers will stop one.

edited 22nd Feb '11 5:32:54 PM by CommandoDude

11 pvtnum1122nd Feb 2011 05:39:49 PM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Large enough barriers will seriously wreck a tractor-trailer combination. They crash-test them on occasion.
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12 Shrimpus22nd Feb 2011 06:00:02 PM from Brooklyn, NY, US
Generally while power plants and dams are appealing targets from a theoretical standpoint. Practically they are not actually really viable targets. It takes too much effort to do that sort of thing from the ground. Stuff that succeeds against these sort of targets would have succeeded pretty much regardless.

Plus, physical on site security is crap at actually preventing anything. Go go investigation.
13 OscarWildecat22nd Feb 2011 07:24:44 PM from The Interwebz , Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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FWIW, I believe the Hoover Dam bridge project had more to do with traffic capacity concerns than anything else. If I remember, it's an integral part of an expansion to US 93.

Link to the project site.
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14 BlueNinja022nd Feb 2011 09:50:06 PM from Underneath Damocles' Sword , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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Same thing happened with Hoover Dam in Nevada - Commando Dude
The bridge over Hoover Dam had more to do with traffic backups and accidents than security - it was being debated when I was in high school, well before 9/11. Security is an added bonus. Having driven it, the road down to the dam, and across it, were horrible  *.

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15 Morven22nd Feb 2011 10:45:27 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
It's more likely that they just used the 9/11 security thing as a way to get federal funds for it, then.
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