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  1. It's one thing for the President not to understand business. Once again he's pushing for an electric car when the science simply isn't there yet. Let's pretend he's going to get his million cars. What is his plan for the batteries? We cannot recycle that many batteries. We're not talking lead-acid, we talking Ni-cad or Lithium. They're all classified as hazardous waste. This is a huge waste of taxpayer money again. Could we get him to take an extended vacation to Hawaii, say for the next 2 years and let the grownups right the ship of state?
  2. You can recycle the batteries, since when did you care about recycling Jim the repub?

    I'm sure you're at the 100% level in the energy for tomorrow program, right? You even compost, right?

    Incencere doesn't even scratch the surface.
  3. Hello? The science was there 20 years ago.

    Energy independence = smart grid + electric cars + wind/solar + nuclear + (limited) clean coal

    Get it done Obama.
  4. They don't sell electric cars in extreme climate states, like here... Picture yourself stuck in the snow at -30 with an electric don't, it's too bizarre to even contemplate. They have to send out people to clean the ice off LED traffic lights, so what would happen if your leaf ran out of power in the winter???? Send someone out to clean the ice off you?
  5. Yeah, it's not like cars run out of gasoline during snow storms.
  6. A nissan leaf has a 100 mile range on a warm day. if you have to run the heater (more like a warmer, by all accounts) that can reduce the range by a significant amount. Imagine being stuck in a place, like on I-94, for several hours. If you have half a brain, you won't venture out without a nearly full tank of gas, which could last for MANY hours, idling to keep you warm, where as the electric car,unless you have a very long extension cord, will be dead in the snow, and so will you. The only viable alternatives have gasoline back up for the electric power, or a fuel cell. Electric cars have their place, just like SUVs have their place. Personally, I think those who push for all electric cars must have stock in power companies....
  7. Jimmy_Jones
    My firm helped to write the RoHS standards so I certainly do support recycling. As to the batteries, you can recycle them, however, the current infrastructure you're side worries about doesn't exist. Most of the rare earth elements recovered are done in India. We export the waste, they have children pull out the valuable materials and then they land fill the stuff. It's a terrible process. We need to develope this here. Also, the rare earth elements are not processed here, once again, we're buying them from a country who don't like us, China. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
  8. joejoezz
    The science isn't there yet. We're getting better but the options we have now are very costly and not reliable. Coal and nuclear? Don't let your eco friends find out or they won't play with you anymore....
  9. Jim, rare earth processing is coming back to the US for supply security issues.

    Maybe there just hasn't been the supply of materials to be recycled in the US, in 20 years there will be a supply of car batteries. I doubt it would be difficult to require stateside recycling. Either way, where did your last cell phone go... is it in the garbage or is some child stripping it for parts?
  10. Those cars are very expensive so the most buyers would be middle to upper class people. Whey should the poor, with tax dollars, give money to the rich so they can buy a car?


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