(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi] GN[1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals - 2A, game 2]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2012-07-30]EV[http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[maciek [3d\]: hello volatile [?\]: yay volatile [?\]: good game ]RE[W+Resign] ;B[pd] ;W[dc] ;B[pq] ;W[dq] ;B[qk] ;W[co] ;B[jq]C[volatile [?\]: the format for these finals is weird volatile [?\]: what's it called? cjalden [2k\]: looks like double elimination volatile [?\]: okay volatile [?\]: ty maciek [3d\]: both are korean? cjalden [2k\]: probably neither volatile [?\]: no grumpyjoe [-\]: cool volatile [?\]: i think gan is canadian volatile [?\]: liu is american grumpyjoe [-\]: this must have been what bbw was training for on kgs a while back ARRGHHH: which one is bbw aiken23 [7k\]: Is there a website that can give me more information on these games? ] ;W[kp]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: andy liu volatile [?\]: check usgo1 info grumpyjoe [-\]: i'm pretty sure ARRGHHH: 7d? thought he was 9d volatile [?\]: 7d aga ARRGHHH: ranking system difference? volatile [?\]: 9d kgs ARRGHHH: ah ok aiken23 [7k\]: Im on a phone and I want general information on whole event. Reym [-\]: check http://www.usgo.org/ Bauer [1d\]: intersting move of w ] ;B[jp]C[maciek [3d\]: is it old shusaku style move? USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2012/07/178302/ rlaalswo [1k\]: L4 doesn't look old irrcava [7k\]: isnt k4 more common instead of k3? volatile [?\]: only as old as it feels volatile [?\]: i think k4 might be better irrcava [7k\]: or is it a standard response to d3 c5 shape? rlaalswo [1k\]: there are total 4 AGA games running on Tygem including these two in KGS volatile [?\]: the k3 area is a good point with the shimari volatile [?\]: so b took it for himself volatile [?\]: but i think k4 may have been better for b ] ;W[ko]C[irrcava [7k\]: but k4 is better with q3 r9 ] ;B[jo]C[K5 [1k\]: K5 looks too good to me ] ;W[kn] ;B[lr] ;W[po]C[Bauer [1d\]: bbw seems to think. that k4 would have been better, because he played L4 K5 [1k\]: K6? asdf1122: Is the tournament just a bunch of bo1 games? volatile [?\]: bo1? ] ;B[oo]C[bobstep [5k\]: early fight maciek [3d\]: not really ARRGHHH: unfavorable for both sides ] ;W[on]C[maciek [3d\]: very true ] ;B[no] ;W[pp] ;B[oq]C[asdf1122: Best of one = bo1 ] ;W[qm] ;B[mm] ;W[qq] ;B[qr]C[SIscurge [5d\]: black looks better? maciek [3d\]: hard to say ] ;W[rq]C[volatile [?\]: depends on w 3 stones, imo maciek [3d\]: but i dont see how whitel4 l5l6 stones works here Architect [5k\]: p8 maciek [3d\]: so think balck better Architect [5k\]: or o9 Architect [5k\]: even o10 Cassis0 [5d\]: is andy liu big bad wolf? volatile [?\]: yes Cassis0 [5d\]: cool Cassis0 [5d\]: b stands no chance then grumpyjoe [-\]: b seems kinda strong too volatile [?\]: b will attempt to make a moyo made of straw Architect [5k\]: o10! volatile [?\]: less time for the games today? the games yesterday at 150m each ] ;B[de]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Maybe they just filled out the timer in KGS wrong. volatile [?\]: k6 seems important volatile [?\]: that is why i asked, tyro ] ;W[cg]C[camaron [1d\]: volatile this is not EGC lik 150m games camaron [1d\]: different tournament volatile [?\]: i'm aware volatile [?\]: yesterday the games on tygem had 150m each camaron [1d\]: ouch ok ] ;B[ic]C[volatile [?\]: np, ty for your answer ] ;W[qf] ;B[qe] ;W[pf] ;B[nd] ;W[pi] ;B[cc] ;W[cd]C[bobstep [5k\]: volatile, if you were talking to Andy, you would have said, "I'm aware, wolf." ] ;B[dd] ;W[ce] ;B[cf]C[volatile [?\]: bob, do not pun here for the next 24h bobstep [5k\]: k ARRGHHH: c14 joseki ? ] ;W[bc]C[maciek [3d\]: i dont know grumpyjoe [-\]: americans are allergic to puns fakeyou [1d\]: ofc c14 is joseki maciek [3d\]: ty i2i3 [12k?\]: c17 follow up.. ] ;B[be] ;W[cb] ;B[bd]C[maciek [3d\]: ah of course i know this joseki, i didnt see a shape correctly:) ] ;W[cc] ;B[df] ;W[fc]C[maciek [3d\]: but b17 is a new move for me volatile [?\]: it's in kogo's. for what it's worth base [-\]: not much base [-\]: kogo has a lot of out of date joseki's volatile [?\]: good enough for most amateurs ] ;B[ok] ;W[rr]C[i2i3 [12k?\]: what about pro? volatile [?\]: i doubt pros use kogo maciek [3d\]: they dont need joseki volatile [?\]: pros are joseki Cassis0 [5d\]: kogo is so outdated Cassis0 [5d\]: you can use it untile like 1d-2d Cassis0 [5d\]: after that basic josekis are usually known maciek [3d\]: i am pretty sure i dont know 80% of kogo josekis ] ;B[nn]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: probably maciek [3d\]: but i am the weakest 3d on kgs^^ Cassis0 [5d\]: but kogo has nothing about popular josekis we play today primevoice: b won volatile [?\]: i have pie. if you stop talking about kogo's i will distribute aforementioned pie Cassis0 [5d\]: those kind of josekis which appears all the time in your games ] ;W[mi]C[goejgo [13k\]: hi ivan1988 [1k\]: so where do we look them up? volatile [?\]: they'll find you, ivan goejgo [13k\]: hi ] ;B[nf]C[goejgo [13k\]: ARGHHH ivan1988 [1k\]: lol goejgo [13k\]: ARGGHHH goejgo [13k\]: ARGHHH volatile [?\]: stop. goejgo [13k\]: ok fabric [4k\]: are they 7p ? volatile [?\]: no mate105 [3d\]: did Andy win the last game? ] ;W[mk]C[volatile [?\]: they are amateurs goejgo [13k\]: yes volatile [?\]: yes, he did, mate volatile [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/category/events-aga-tygemgo-online-pro-prelim/ mate105 [3d\]: thanks volatile goejgo [13k\]: no thier pro grumpyjoe [-\]: what does pro finals mean? volatile [?\]: this is for the fthe aga pro program goejgo [13k\]: i dont know volatile [?\]: the winner (and maybe 1st runner up) become the first aga pros volatile [?\]: they will be able to play in korean domestic tournaments grumpyjoe [-\]: nice Cassis0 [5d\]: p7 is easy Cassis0 [5d\]: w needs to protect around o12 i2i3 [12k?\]: b need to find good timing to play on the left ] ;B[nj] ;W[ni]C[goejgo [13k\]: does AGA stand for amerrican go association fakeyou [1d\]: w is bbw? Cassis0 [5d\]: this move seems to help w Cassis0 [5d\]: and gives b a bad shape i2i3 [12k?\]: b want to split but seems not .. ] ;B[mj] ;W[lj]C[i2i3 [12k?\]: cut. maciek [3d\]: 7d AGA is xd EGF? ] ;B[li] ;W[nl]C[volatile [?\]: probably 7d egf as well ARRGHHH: group is not strong enough for this fight Cassis0 [5d\]: this is pretty violent Cassis0 [5d\]: no compromise i2i3 [12k?\]: equal.. maybe Cassis0 [5d\]: l10 sente for w helps a lot i2i3 [12k?\]: b maybe preparing for moyos on center as backup plan ARRGHHH: p8 ? ] ;B[oi] ;W[oh] ;B[oj] ;W[nh]C[Gerbiili [2d\]: m9 Cassis0 [5d\]: "preparing for moyos on center" sounds like the worst strategy ever gober [6d\]: "killing thickness might be worse" Cassis0 [5d\]: klling thickness happens pretty much in pro games Cassis0 [5d\]: :) grumpyjoe [-\]: cut seems only option Gerbiili [2d\]: cut and kill is always the only option Marek [5d\]: 7d AGA -> 5-6d egf grumpyjoe [-\]: 7d is highest rank in aga, right? Marek [5d\]: no ARRGHHH: seems bad for b grumpyjoe [-\]: oh i2i3 [12k?\]: very bad Marek [5d\]: b can connect bobstep [5k\]: Marek, with the cut? ] ;B[om]C[Marek [5d\]: W looks more solid... ] ;W[qj]C[resignplz [1d\]: connected now ] ;B[pm] ;W[rk] ;B[qn] ;W[rm] ;B[lk] ;W[kj] ;B[kk]C[primevoice: b +15 volatile [4k?\]: marek, that's such bullshit :-) goejgo [13k\]: hi Bauer [1d\]: b + 15 is wrong, very wrong ] ;W[qc] ;B[qd]C[Gerbiili [2d\]: w+7.5 ] ;W[gq]C[goejgo [13k\]: cassi0 hmmm... have i played him goejgo [13k\]: this is replay? ] ;B[bg]C[Gerbiili [2d\]: aga tygem pro baduk thingie ] ;W[jn]C[mthd [-\]: and which player represents aga ? Gerbiili [2d\]: both rintaun [?\]: both are AGA mthd [-\]: ok thanks rintaun [?\]: it's a game in the american pro qualifier finals ] ;B[jj] ;W[ki]C[mthd [-\]: one of them will become pro in america, right ? Gerbiili [2d\]: yup huk: two from a field of 16 ] ;B[cm] ;W[lh]C[dinosaur [1k\]: how will the new pros earn money Gorim [3k\]: still not sure Gerbiili [2d\]: it is just the beginning of aga pro thingie mthd [-\]: @dinosaur: lessons ;) ] ;B[cq]C[dinosaur [1k\]: but they can already make money by giving lessons mthd [-\]: yup Gerbiili [2d\]: ofcourse aga pros will not be on the bar with korea/china/japan for a long time ] ;W[dp] ;B[gp] ;W[hp]C[DBDNW [8k\]: You can basically make more money by giving lessons as a pro. As you will be an official reconized pro and at all right? DBDNW [8k\]: Also do pro's not gain money automtaically with any pro tournament that they enter? Gerbiili [2d\]: people pay you to come to tournaments Gerbiili [2d\]: and you can say with great dignity like in hng "ore wa puro" bobstep [5k\]: will the winners become 1p, or what? dinosaur [1k\]: people pay asian pros extra for lessons and to come to tournaments because they are strong dinosaur [1k\]: will they pay american pros if they are not as strong? Gerbiili [2d\]: ofcourse bobstep [5k\]: but in asia, not many playing pros give lessons, until they quit playing Laman [1d\]: i am a bit sceptical ] ;B[fq]C[dinosaur [1k\]: well presumably if they are having this tournament the aga has some plan Ranchan [-\]: I think it was tygems idea and tygem is sponsoring it ] ;W[fp] ;B[go] ;W[fr]C[dinosaur [1k\]: I guess a sponsor makes things easier ] ;B[hq] ;W[eq] ;B[gm]C[emre35 [4d\]: bad for white primevoice: b won emre35 [4d\]: no not yet ] ;W[il]C[primevoice: h9 dinosaur [1k\]: andy lui is just reeally good at getting out of difficult situations dinosaur [1k\]: he set this up deliberately because he gets uncomfortable when his groups aren't dying Bauer [1d\]: everything else of bbw is extremely solid ] ;B[ik] ;W[gl]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: does anyone know if b plays on kgs? sgk [2k\]: and white ? primevoice: f8 only dinosaur [1k\]: w plays as hjeksdighjsifhjghhsksioslskdhjsiske zife [-\]: also known as bbw sgk [2k\]: thx dinosaur sgk [2k\]: zife too zife [-\]: btw it's 'hjekshdf' dinosaur [1k\]: I'm pretty sure he has like 6 accounts because he types it in differently every time gooooo [3k?\]: who are playing? aiken23 [7k\]: They is ] ;B[hl] ;W[hm] ;B[hk] ;W[hn]C[gooooo [3k?\]: who are? Ranchan [-\]: b+r primevoice: ya primevoice: b won primevoice: h5 gooooo [3k?\]: against who? dinosaur [1k\]: they are andy lui and jianing gan gooooo [3k?\]: ah Andy lost? dinosaur [1k\]: no andy lui minimalist [1k\]: b has a kgs account? grumpyjoe [-\]: seems no one knows Ranchan [-\]: h5 only move dinosaur [1k\]: he's probably one of the mysterious new 9ds who crop up every week ] ;B[fm] ;W[gn]C[minimalist [1k\]: maybe gooooo [3k?\]: they should release tygem for android grumpyjoe [-\]: w connected primevoice: g16 so big grumpyjoe [-\]: b super moyo in progress dinosaur [1k\]: I've seen better bert [3d\]: h5 f6 e7 primevoice: k12? dliu301 [2k\]: f6 sacrifice 2 stones but get sente ] ;B[hg] ;W[ob]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: b gained a lot alfi [4k\]: 60 bobstep [5k\]: but l4 living cost him a lot too ] ;B[nb] ;W[dm]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: this was the big hole dinosaur [1k\]: l4 was never not going to live grumpyjoe [-\]: sacrifice f7 ] ;B[dl] ;W[em] ;B[cn] ;W[el]C[Bauer [1d\]: bravo bbw Bauer [1d\]: bravo bbw grumpyjoe [-\]: bbw smells weakness ] ;B[bo] ;W[oc] ;B[nc] ;W[rc] ;B[od] ;W[pc] ;B[gb] ;W[fb] ;B[ek] ;W[bp]C[primevoice: f8 aiken23 [7k\]: F8 f9 ] ;B[fn]C[Bauer [1d\]: f8 ws a joke grumpyjoe [-\]: f8 ok? aiken23 [7k\]: Thanks for clarifying ] ;W[fl]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: eat it all Bauer [1d\]: typical bbw Bauer [1d\]: eat small children ] ;B[do] ;W[en] ;B[cp] ;W[dk] ;B[cl] ;W[fj] ;B[ej] ;W[ei] ;B[dj] ;W[gi]C[primevoice: l13 Muttley [2k\]: Is this being played live? rintaun [?\]: yes ] ;B[ro] ;W[qo] ;B[pn] ;W[rn]C[dinosaur [1k\]: I think its just seki Muttley [2k\]: thank you rintaun, is it over the board or on the internet? bobstep [5k\]: they are in North Carolina I think mutt Muttley [2k\]: thanks bob ] ;B[kf] ;W[di] ;B[ci] ;W[na] ;B[ma]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: man, no more undos hisaokun [?\]: Oh boy ] ;W[oa] ;B[lb] ;W[jl] ;B[jk] ;W[cr]C[hisaokun [?\]: Someone dun goofed ] ;B[gc] ;W[re] ;B[rd] ;W[sd]C[primevoice: f12 ] ;B[pk] ;W[ql]C[volatile [4k?\]: . ] ;B[bq] ;W[hr] ;B[ho] ;W[fo] ;B[ip] ;W[ir]C[rintaun [?\]: i wish this showed how much time each had left ] ;B[op] ;W[qp]C[alfi [4k\]: just ask the host Visi [13k?\]: is somebody doing a commentary on this? croc [-\]: b leads 12,3 pts on board alfi [4k\]: haha rintaun [?\]: i think some of the games will have commentary, but i dont know about this one ] ;B[fh] ;W[fi]C[alfi [4k\]: f19 ] ;B[fa] ;W[ea] ;B[ga] ;W[fd] ;B[br] ;W[ch]C[alfi [4k\]: b11 ] ;B[bi]C[alfi [4k\]: h16 ? ] ;W[hf] ;B[if]C[volatile [4k?\]: i think the commentary is on tygem only volatile [4k?\]: if b loses he is out of the tournament. w can take a loss zeku [1k\]: yes 9p commentary now alfi [4k\]: what is tygem ? Zachmura [3d\]: what does 9p say? volatile [4k?\]: tygem is a primarily korean go server volatile [4k?\]: go to http://www.tygembaduk.com to download the english client alfi [4k\]: thx, but not for Android Zachmura [3d\]: and how much time left? alfi [4k\]: j15 grumpyjoe [-\]: who does the pro think is winning? ] ;W[me] ;B[lg]C[volatile [4k?\]: it's clear who is winning grumpyjoe [-\]: i count very close game Uksus [5k\]: b has some more, nope? rintaun [?\]: very close, but i think b is ahead Hollumber [6k?\]: who's the wolf? andy? ] ;W[kg]C[volatile [4k?\]: w is winning alfi [4k\]: depends on endgame ] ;B[mg]C[volatile [4k?\]: trust in the wolf ] ;W[ie] ;B[eb] ;W[da]C[volatile [4k?\]: andy is the wolf Hollumber [6k?\]: y? ] ;B[je]C[volatile [4k?\]: why? ] ;W[ig]C[volatile [4k?\]: dinosaur, go be extinct ] ;B[jf]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: ah cool ] ;W[ge]C[dinosaur [1k\]: he plays on kgs as megawolf dinosaur [1k\]: because he is a million times as good at go as a wolf dinosaur [1k\]: volatile that's hurtful you made me cry volatile [4k?\]: hollumber, his kgs nick is bigbadwolf volatile [4k?\]: dinosaur just has a brain the size of a pea and can't remember this things orrectly alfi [4k\]: hehe Hollumber [6k?\]: dinosaurs had very big brains.. o.O grumpyjoe [-\]: when i become 9di will make a account with the name "brickhouse" Muttley [2k\]: please don't insult dinosaur Muttley [2k\]: he has been dead 168 million years, after all dinosaur [1k\]: it's ok I don't have the brain power to notice Hollumber [6k?\]: grumpyjoe, what if i make it right now? :P volatile [4k?\]: i can't help it if he is an inferior species ] ;B[gf] ;W[he] ;B[ff]C[dinosaur [1k\]: everyone is being nice to me right? ] ;W[dh]C[Muttley [2k\]: yeah you're good :) Hollumber [6k?\]: dinosaurs had to be killed by a meteor. We're so stupid, we'll kill ourselves, lol alfi [4k\]: thats sad volatile [4k?\]: dinosaurs weren't smart enough to kill themselves. a species killing itself is the ultimate achievement a species can attain bobstep [5k\]: I thought you morphed into birds volatile [4k?\]: species species species... in case i didn't say it enough ] ;B[jr] ;W[bh]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: yes, that's why i'm predicting d2 ] ;B[ah]C[dinosaur [1k\]: birds are dinosaurs we glued wingds onto as a joke Fiara [4k\]: Who is interpreting this game? ] ;W[cj] ;B[ck] ;W[bj]C[volatile [4k?\]: looks like the joke was on you volatile [4k?\]: stupid dinosaur Hollumber [6k?\]: it's only the ultimate achievement if they are doing it after losing the will to live. Not if they are just stupid or violent or.....volatile. o.o dinosaur [1k\]: well the plan was that 65 million years later nuclear tests would set the sky on fire and burn them all dinosaur [1k\]: but our calculations must've been off stonecold [1d\]: muttley : the extinktion of dinos was 65 mio. years ago Zachmura [3d\]: i wouldn't expect this from myself, but what about sticking to the topic of this game? okiol [2k\]: haha volatile [4k?\]: i played chrono trigger. i know dinosaurs aren't as dumb as SCIENTISTS would like us to think Hollumber [6k?\]: no one's talking about the game, zach. Hollumber [6k?\]: if anyone wants to, go for it, and we'll stop our chitchat :) okiol [2k\]: i think that was his point.. volatile [4k?\]: well you can't stick to a topic that didn't exist dinosaur [1k\]: so does anyone know who's ahead? stonecold [1d\]: hehe Hollumber [6k?\]: white's catching up, black still winning, i think volatile [4k?\]: b seems up a little but i have faith in white okiol [2k\]: oh now it became a philosofical question? Hollumber [6k?\]: haha, lol Hollumber [6k?\]: we are all running around a racetrack. You could be about to lap someone you think is always ahead of you Hollumber [6k?\]: d2? Hollumber [6k?\]: what else is there? Zachmura [3d\]: SE already believes white. and it seems mostly right this time Zachmura [3d\]: um, after some modifications to the position :) dinosaur [1k\]: if se just always assumed andy lui is winning it would be 95% accurate alfi [4k\]: k12 first volatile [4k?\]: who is andy lui? dinosaur [1k\]: the other 5% would be due to not knowing which player andy lui is dinosaur [1k\]: andy lui is a go player, notable for playing go against jianing gan sometimes volatile [4k?\]: dinosaur is so stupid alfi [4k\]: stfu volatile dinosaur [1k\]: I'm flattered that you think I'm smart enough for that comment not to be massively insensistive volatile [4k?\]: don't swear, alfi pwaldron [-\]: d2? volatile [4k?\]: i'm 95% certain you only know what 5% of those words mean, dinosaur dinosaur [1k\]: d2 is about 5 points pwaldron [-\]: about the same as q2 ] ;B[ai]C[pwaldron [-\]: slightly smaller ] ;W[fk] ;B[dk] ;W[pr] ;B[or] ;W[qs] ;B[jg] ;W[id] ;B[jd] ;W[hc] ;B[hb] ;W[ib] ;B[hd] ;W[jc]C[dinosaur [1k\]: whoah volatile [4k?\]: omigod ] ;B[qi] ;W[qh]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: goddang o.o ] ;B[ri] ;W[rj] ;B[rf] ;W[se] ;B[gd]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: someone went to sleep, lol ] ;W[hc] ;B[pj] ;W[ph]C[volatile [4k?\]: game must have ended ] ;B[ic] ;W[fe]C[volatile [4k?\]: andy is filling in the blanks ] ;B[jb] ;W[hc] ;B[in] ;W[im] ;B[ic]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: don't worry, us, happens to all of us ] ;W[gg] ;B[ec] ;W[hc]C[dinosaur [1k\]: I don't get it, if they didn't put these moves on at the time how do they know what they were now? ] ;B[sf]C[volatile [4k?\]: i think this happened andy's first game as well ] ;W[sc] ;B[ic]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: oh, and showing proper endgame? ] ;W[hh]C[volatile [4k?\]: i'm assuming, i don't know, of course Hollumber [6k?\]: ah, kk USGO1 [-\]: black resigns here Hollumber [6k?\]: just playing it out, i guess volatile [4k?\]: ty for the game Hollumber [6k?\]: wtf...good game, i guess dinosaur [1k\]: thanks for broodcostong grumpyjoe [-\]: pretty clear now Hollumber [6k?\]: what hapened with so many moves at once? volatile [4k?\]: hollumber, don't be hard on the scribe. it is difficult to keep up with ko fights and fast moves volatile [4k?\]: hollumber, read my speculation Gucky [2k\]: thanks, USGO dinosaur [1k\]: well that all makes sense bobstep [5k\]: that's gross volatile [4k?\]: you can alsways download the game and replay it grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks usgo Hollumber [6k?\]: sorry, US, I didn't mean to sound derisive. thank you for relaying the game :) volatile [4k?\]: not quite sure why b resigned, yet Beserious [6d\]: w+ R Beserious [6d\]: oh already over ])