

Apple does not count foreign tax savings in its reported profits






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RE: nation states?
By ebakke on 11/5/2012 12:51:40 PM , Rating: 5
Lame. When you're ready to stop sulking, stand up and join the adults actually trying to enact the changes you've written off as unattainable.

Peel back another layer of that onion. Ask the simple question: Why? Why does money influence elections? Why do wealthy individuals, corporations, unions, and interest groups lobby Congressmen for special favors? The answer is trivially simple: Because it works.

We peel back one more layer and ask again, why? Why does it work? Because we keep giving those elected officials more and more and more power. Pull the power, and suddenly your lobbying goes kaput. If giving Candidate A or his Super PAC $5M wouldn't get me an exemption to some new regulation, or a new tax rate, or whatever, then I wouldn't do it any more. If you want less corporate influence in governmental policies, start voting for candidates who will reduce the size, scope, power of the government. It's really that simple folks.

RE: nation states?
By Jeffk464 on 11/5/2012 1:06:19 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately the adults that are succesfully making changes are big money interests. Seems like every year they lock it down more and more. The corporations are people allowing unlimited money to buy elections was the nail in the coffin.

RE: nation states?
By Jeffk464 on 11/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: nation states?
By ebakke on 11/5/2012 4:43:34 PM , Rating: 4
You have missed the point entirely. WHY do people spend money on elections? They only spend money because it's effective. They only do it because they believe it will benefit them. And history has shown that belief to be accurate.

If we take back the power/authority we've given them (or maybe more accurately, they've taken without any contest from us) then it won't matter who spends whatever amount of money on the election. Sure, spend $5B convincing the electorate that John Doe is the best would-be Senator on the planet. Great. Good for you. Seems like a big waste of money when Sen Doe's authority isn't more than the true enumerated powers listed in our Constitution.

But as long as we're willing to accept a strong central government, we also must tolerate individuals seeking to take advantage of this power, as well as individuals seeking to gain the favor of those in power. Corporate, individual, and interest group lobbying is symptom; it is not the problem!!

RE: nation states?
By tayb on 11/5/2012 2:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
Americans can't agree on anything. The idea that we'll all band together for campaign finance reform is a joke in my opinion. There's no way there would be a consensus.

Congressional approval ratings are in the toilet. People are mad and upset with Congress. So what do they do? Continue voting for incumbents.

RE: nation states?
By ebakke on 11/5/2012 5:00:07 PM , Rating: 3
I didn't advocate campaign finance reform. Or getting all of us to band together, for that matter.

The only thing I'd like Americans to agree upon is that we're not going to have consensus on the issues that dominate political discourse. So instead of swings of power where we're constantly using the force of government to oppress the other 49%, let's stop turning every damn thing into an issue for the federal government. It's hard enough to get agreement in a neighborhood. How we expect to get agreement with 311 million people is beyond me.

RE: nation states?
By someguy123 on 11/5/2012 5:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
Your ranting makes no sense. In order to remove authority from politicians abusing their position you would need some form of majority consensus. If you cannot obtain any sort of consensus how are you going to strip people from power? A group of people who can't agree on anything aren't going to suddenly agree about abuse of political power in general or which political figures are actually corrupt.

Our system ultimately relies on popularity and willingness to vote. You will not be able to magically retract political power or prevent lobbying without other people by your side.

RE: nation states?
By ebakke on 11/5/2012 6:21:13 PM , Rating: 3
The argument I'm making is that the "issues" we fight over on a daily basis will never be resolved. You're not going to get pro-lifers to become pro-choicers. You aren't going to get free-market proponents to suddenly endorse a single payer healthcare system. You aren't going to get gun control activists to start buying handguns. But all of the grievances, regardless of which side of the issue you're on, can be minimized. And without even trampling on others' rights in the process!

Yes, I'm arguing that we form a consensus for a single purpose/task, with the premise that it's a one-time only thing. The alternative being discussed is that we somehow "band together" for completely competing interests, and do so repeatedly. That isn't happening, and it won't happen. But I'm arguing there's an alternative other than throwing our hands up in the air and accepting defeat.

I hope you can see what I'm advocating and how it differs from getting Americans to "all band together for campaign finance reform".

