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Just more of Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/17/2011 12:48:10 PM , Rating: 4
Trying to shut out the competition, plain and simple.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Reclaimer77 on 10/17/2011 12:57:19 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah I don't know how Apple get's away with this. They're basically engaging in an uncompetitive tactic against a competitor based on nothing more than the fact that Samsung is trying to compete with them. Can you imagine if MS tried a stunt like this?

I think it's time for judges to dismiss these suits and some ruling body to slap down Apple. Enough is enough. This bickering can only lead to the consumer being harmed.

RE: Just more of Apple
By bupkus on 10/17/11, Rating: 0
RE: Just more of Apple
By KingofL337 on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By cruisin3style on 10/17/2011 2:18:53 PM , Rating: 5
He said he doesnt have a smartphone, so with

pc vs mac
mp3 player like sansa fuze vs ipod
almost any tablet on the market vs ipad 2

the non-apple option is cheaper and usually just as good if not better, or it is so much cheaper that you can live with any drawbacks

RE: Just more of Apple
By MrTeal on 10/17/2011 2:26:57 PM , Rating: 3
The 3GS might be free on contract, but that contract definitely isn't free. Compare the cost of a cheap smartphone data plan to the cost of just owning a vanilla cell phone, and even a $20 a month difference will be almost $500 over the 2 year term.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Natch on 10/17/2011 3:17:25 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention that you can also get Android or Windows phones for free or cheap, with a 2 year contract. Sort of makes the whole point of calling an iphone (or ANY smart phone) comparitively "cheap" a moot point.

RE: Just more of Apple
By sigmatau on 10/17/2011 10:38:16 PM , Rating: 2
A 3GS is a garbage phone now. It is already slow and clunky with ios4. The phone is like a little brick that slides off anything you set it on except a pretty flat surface.

Heavy and fragile. When you drop it, I bet it doesn't bounce. Mine cracked from a 3 foot fall.

RE: Just more of Apple
By espaghetti on 10/18/2011 7:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
Dear butterfingers with no knowledge of how to update software,
Be more careful, maybe buy a case and update your jk have nice day!

RE: Just more of Apple
By jnemesh on 10/17/2011 5:24:32 PM , Rating: 5
Once you get your "free" phone, however, you are locked into buying EVERYTHING from Apple. You MUST use iTunes, you MUST purchase apps from Apple's store and ONLY Apple's store, and Apple is doing everything it can to make sure your e-books, music, and movies are purchased from Apple as well (or, if buying from a competing service, that Apple still gets it's 30% cut!).

And your statement that the iPhone doesnt need iTunes is flawed. No, you dont need it to activate and use the phone, but if you want to do anything else, guess what? You have to use iTunes to manage everything. Have fun!

RE: Just more of Apple
By espaghetti on 10/18/2011 7:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
I've paid apple for one song and I have a lot of albums on my iphone.
Who told you that the media can only be what you buy from a digital service?
Itunes has an import cd feature.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 5:49:13 AM , Rating: 1
Wow, you don't need to connect your iPhone via iTunes to get it to work as a mobile phone anymore! Apple finally catches up with 20-year-old dumbphones and 10-year-old smartphones.

Well done Apple. You truly are the innovator of innovators. Now go forth and sue every other company for having made a phone that doesn't require running through bloatware to activate.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Kiffberet on 10/18/2011 8:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
Oh no, the Chinese and koreans are stealing all our technology and closing down American industry. This must stop!!

Except if it's Apple, then let anyone and everyone copy all their ideas and steal all the technology they can get their hands on. If apple sue, then its 'stopping innovation'.

If you don't like Apple thats fair enough, just don't complain when the courts rule in their favour, because YOU DONT KNOW ALL THE FACTS.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2011 9:56:25 AM , Rating: 2
And neither do you, and Apple is not going to win.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/18/2011 1:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
Apple was winning all these years and you always were whining about them and "predicting" their demise "any time soon". You think this is going to change? Why would it?

I see anti-Apple trolls like you whining for many years, and nothing ever changed. You just keep predicting "oohh uuhh TOMORROW I KNOW FOR SURE THIS TIME APPLE IS GOING DOWN!!!". Yeah, keep predicting, idiot. Looks kinda funny.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2011 4:30:05 PM , Rating: 1
You are an absolute fucking idiot

RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/18/2011 4:53:28 PM , Rating: 1
yeah go fuck yourself too

RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 1:22:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not even American, so have never had a rant about Koreans closing down American business.

Nice pointless rant, though.

RE: Just more of Apple
By StevoLincolnite on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By sviola on 10/17/2011 1:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I don't think that is completely true, as Samsung does not hold a monopoly on the living room, kitchen and laundry. This is a much more competitive market than the mobile one. I doubt that few people buy all their appliances from a single vendor. Just as an example, in my hosue the only thing I have from Samsung is in my living room: the dvd/home theatre. All the rest are from other vendors, among which Panasonic, GE, Bosch, Sony and Philips.

RE: Just more of Apple
By StevoLincolnite on 10/17/2011 2:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was speaking comparatively between Apple and Samsung of course.

Apple just doesn't have enough markets to apply such connectivity betweem appliances around the home in it's walled off style, probably something that they view Samsung as a threat in as Samsung keeps taking marketshare in Apples big revenue streams.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Reclaimer77 on 10/17/2011 2:44:38 PM , Rating: 5
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know if it's true that Samsung "owns our homes", but I know they didn't sue to get to that position.

Apple is trying to litigate their competition away. It's absurd. Are you just being an apologist here? This can't possibly be good for the end consumer.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Boze on 10/17/2011 6:30:04 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung doesn't own our homes?

I have a Samsung refrigerator, Samsung front-loading washing machine and dryer, Samsung televisions in the den, kitchen, game room, and computer room, Samsung Blu-ray player, and I'm using a 24" Samsung monitor right now.

I would love for all my devices to talk to each other.

My study is upstairs in my home. My washing / mud room is downstairs. I'd love to get an alert popping up on my screen telling me that the dryer cycle is finished.

I'd love to have alerts pop up on my refrigerator's LCD screen while I'm downstairs cooking dinner and a large file transfer is done.

I'd love to have some kind of technology that can track me through the use of a wearable ID card, so while I'm cooking, I can have a movie or television show loaded up in VLC, or on Netflix, and when I move rooms, my Samsung televisions / LCD displays switch over that content seamlessly to the displays in those rooms.

All of that would be possible, and should be possible, in the near future.

Apple has reason to fear, because if Samsung develops that kind of technology, along with clearly superior phones like the Galaxy S II (which I also own and consider the best smartphone ever made, from a technological standpoint), then its only a matter of time until people start to consider that maybe when its time for new appliances and electronics, it'd be best to have all Samsung devices that can seamlessly communicate with each other.

Looking at Samsung's history, it should be very alarming to any CEO of any electronics firm.

Samsung has bested Sony in consumer electronics quality in terms of televisions and blu-ray players. They beat out all other phone manufacturers to create the most technologically advanced smartphone. They're quickly overtaking appliance makers like GE, Whirlpool, Kenmore, and others.

Samsung is positioning itself to conquer the entire home, and its doing so quickly and effectively. Its actually a little disconcerting, to be honest.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Reclaimer77 on 10/17/2011 8:01:17 PM , Rating: 2
Ah I mistook your original point, my bad. No doubt Samsung is a huge player. But there's still lots of competition out there. My point was just that Samsung didn't get to where they are by using Apple's tactics of bullying and anti-competitive strategies.


Cool me too, my first ever smartphone. Good things DO come to those who wait. I don't know though, the 4S might have it beat power wise. But I think that gorgeous large SAMOLED+ gives us the edge :P


It would be neat. Actually a few companies are working on the "smart home" wifi concept. My only thing is that for a bit more convenience, it's going to add an LOT more to the cost, complexities, and troubleshooting of appliances.


Whoa, actually that's a pretty good freaking idea. You should patent that if it's not already :)

The Home of the Future: By Boze! (not to be confused with Bose) hehe

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RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 5:54:51 AM , Rating: 2

I'm pretty sure you just described Bill Gates's house.

RE: Just more of Apple
By BZDTemp on 10/17/2011 1:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I don't know how Apple get's away with this.

They are not.

Even non techie people are catching on to how Apple goes about things and they are losing their magic position in the eyes of the consumers. Apple is no longer the underdog doing great things they are now the big dog that has forgotten how to a good dog.

It's not like Apple is gonna make a 180 and become a decent company again and the customers will also not run away but they are becoming a company like almost any other big company.

Personally I think the Apple guys need to wake up and realize what they are doing because I'm sure many of them will eventually regret this.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By priusone on 10/17/2011 4:13:33 PM , Rating: 2
He's not talking about the fanboy minority, which certainly helped get the iPhone estalished. No matter how many "David and Goliath" tales Apple tells, customers will still go with whatever is easier for them. Now, when it comes to status, that's where people like me can do their damage. I'm a techie guy and all my friends know the evil of Apple. It gets subliminally drilled into their brain. They even give their friends hell for owning an iPhone.

Ultimately, I love my keyboard and am thankful there is an alternative to Apple. Message sent from my Droid 3.

RE: Just more of Apple
By captainBOB on 10/17/2011 5:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
Holy Hyperbole Batman!!!!

You are saying that you and your "friends" persecute people who own an iPhone? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

I don't agree with Apple's current suing spree, but Samsung was asking for it by aping the iPhone, at least HTC and Microsoft had the sense to make their own unique interfaces for their devices.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/17/2011 5:22:59 PM , Rating: 1
Way too few of you techies to stop Apple growth, iPhone 4S sold 4 millions in three days and this is double the growth of the previous iPhone model! I think all your efforts to stop Apple are futile. Techies are obsolete. Deal with it.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Tony Swash on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/17/2011 6:51:08 PM , Rating: 1
Pirks is it me or are the comments on all this becoming ever more juvenile and credulous?
Ever more juvenile? They were ALWAYS like that on DT, you just haven't seen the senior anti-Apple trolls that used to post on DT a couple of years ago if you think it becomes MORE juvenile. You are too fresh here and haven't seen much, hehe :)

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It's Apple winning that frightens and confuses you.


and here is my nomination for headline of the week.

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This concerns you for reason I don't understand.







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now I kinda grew up and became objective

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cheesy clown is gonna burst, EVERYONE HIDE!!!

RE: Just more of Apple
By mostyle on 10/17/2011 11:21:59 PM , Rating: 1
eyes of the consumers, or else they will sell only like 10 million iPhone 5 handsets

Lemmings will do what they will.

Don't get me wrong.. For some people Apple products are the perfect device..

I just don't like the 'all in' mentality that comes with purchasing an Apple product.

RE: Just more of Apple
By michael2k on 10/17/2011 4:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
They get away with it because it's legal. They are utilizing government granted monopolies in IP to stop competitors in a court of law.

If Microsoft did the same thing it would also be legal until someone changed the law on them or calls the antitrust card on them. In Microsoft's case they said antitrust law was greater than contract law.

In Apple's case you have the distinction that they aren't a monopoly (you do in fact have alternatives such as Motorola, Blackberry, Nokia, LG, Sony, etc that actually make up 60% of the marketplace) and the fact that IP is enshrined in the highest laws (patents and copyright are in the US Constitution, for example, while trademark is just a little lower ranked as an entire field of law) while contracts are legal language but not actually laws.

RE: Just more of Apple
By lightfoot on 10/17/2011 7:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
Apple IS a monopoly in the digital music industry. iTunes is THE dominant player (and yes it is a legal monopoly.)

What is illegal is that they use this legal monopoly and tie it to the other products that they sell (like MP3 players, phones and tablets.) Leveraging their legal monopoly to create a dominant position in other markets is clearly a violation of anti-trust laws.

Microsoft got nailed by the same laws by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows.

Imagine if Apple was forced to give you the OPTION of choosing a different App store when activating an iDevice? Mind-boggling isn't it? The option of not having to shovel 30% of everything you buy for your phone/tablet/music player to Apple. The world might end!

RE: Just more of Apple
By michael2k on 10/18/2011 12:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
You haven't actually given indication how Apple has "abused" it's monopoly. Here's an example:
Microsoft had a contract with Compaq to prevent Compaq from modifying the Windows boot image. Compaq replaced IE with Netscape and MSN with AOL, on the desktop, ergo modifying the Windows boot image. Microsoft refused to license Windows to Compaq on those terms. The DoJ found it abuse of monopoly in enforcing said contract to gain power over Netscape, using it's Windows monopoly to gain a monopoly over browsers.

Apple iTunes is tied to MP3 players and tablets and phones, but they don't use iTunes to crush other MP3 players, tablets, or phones. They don't prevent you from using iTunes or iPods or iPod touches if you run an Android phone; I've got two coworkers that use, respectively, and iPod touch (for games and tethered browsing) and an iPod (for music) while also using an Android phone.

Likewise with tablets! My sister in law's TouchPad works fine despite iTunes being installed on her PC.

Tying to services together is in fact legal if it isn't anticompetitive; look at how XBox 360 games don't work on PCs nor Macs despite being DirectX compatible and PowerPC compatible. Look at how Wii games don't run on an XBox 360 despite both being PowerPC units.

RE: Just more of Apple
By Black1969ta on 10/18/2011 2:08:53 AM , Rating: 2
Constitution? Where exactly in the constitution is the law establishing Patents and copyrights? I would like the article and paragraph please.

RE: Just more of Apple
By michael2k on 10/18/2011 11:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
From Wiki:



RE: Just more of Apple
By Black1969ta on 10/25/2011 3:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
LIB! I knew it was law but didn't realize, the law dated back to the constitution itself.

I stand corrected!

RE: Just more of Apple
By chick0n on 10/17/2011 10:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
how they get away?

cuz majority of people are fuxking idiots, they thought that Apple invented every god damn computer/electronic thing. when the truth is they steal just like everyone else, patent obvious stuff like everyone else, and guess what, they grant them these stupid patents. failed.

