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Where Libertarians Go Wrong on Immigration

by Nelson Hultberg | AFR.org
October 28, 2013






The Founders’ View











The Libertarian Flaw: Bad Ideology


There will never be a world without nations because there will never be a world without human nature, which is very concerned with ethnicity. It is born into us. To try and legislate humans into apathy about ethnicity is like trying to breed tigers into turtles. Reality does not allow such nonsense. Ethnic solidarity is one of the major reasons why nations come into being. Humans wish to gather among their own ethnic kind.

Robert J. Samuelson writes in the Washington Post, “People prefer to be with people like themselves. For all the celebration of ‘diversity,’ it’s sameness that dominates. Most people favor friendship with those who have similar backgrounds, interests and values. It makes for more shared experiences, easier conversations, and more comfortable silences. Despite many exceptions, the urge is nearly universal. It’s human nature.” [August 6, 2008.]

Even America, a country formed upon ideological principles, was still largely shaped by ethnic European origins. Patrick Buchanan, writes brilliantly about this in Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025. Chapter 7, “The Diversity Cult,” is a blistering demolition of multiculturalism and the primitive incomprehensibilities with which it is saturating the American mind.

This, of course, doesn’t mean that a nation must be all one ethnic group. But it must remain primarily its original (or dominant) ethnic group. Multiculturalism was one of the primary reasons for the fall of Rome. It has wreaked savagery and chaotic cruelty throughout the modern day Balkan States. It is lethal to the maintenance of a free and stable society. This is why conservatives espouse “ordered freedom.” Freedom cannot exist devoid of tradition and slow, minimal immigration.

Byron M. Roth, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Dowling College, says multiculturalism “denies historical and scientific evidence that people differ in important biolgical and cultural ways that makes their assimilation into host countries problematic. It is also extreme in the viciousness with which it attacks those who differ on this issue. These attacks are accompanied by….claims that a collective guilt should be assumed by all Europeans (whites) for the sins of their forebears.” [The Perils of Diversity, Washington Summit Publishers, 2010, p. 594.]

Revered political scientist, Samuel P. Huntington, criticized multiculturalism heavily in his 1996 book, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. Even the liberal, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., criticized the concept of multiculturalism in The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society.



Tossing Freedom in the Trash








The Demopublicans’ Default








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That is not whats being done

That is not whats being done to our country. What's being done to our country are immigrants coming here and forcing others to take care of them. THAT is the problem. In a free society though, they wouldn't be able to live off my income or in my house, as my private property will remain private -- difference between us and communism. But theirs nothing stopping them to come here and grow their own garden to eat, sleep in a tent by the river, and leave their turds behind a bush.

"But, do you leave the doors to your house unlocked so anyone

who wants to can come in and eat from your pantry, sleep in your bed, and leave turds on the front of your toilet?"

You have the right to lock YOUR house up. You don't have the right to lock up, and in fact have no moral jurisdiction over, MINE! Only an anti-free market, anti property rights, anti-liberty socialist would claim to have the right to prevent me, by violence, from renting to, hiring, providing medical treatment to, providing an education to, or transporting ANYONE I DADBURNED WELL PLEASED TO. Admit it, the state is your god, whom you worship and give fealty to. VIOLENCE, YEAH!

then the problem is the welfare state, not immigration

strike the root


OK. So no open borders until the welfare state is

largely dismantled (at least in its present insane iteration)?

What would the Founders do?

And I should correct myself

And I should correct myself because I don't think most libertarians want open borders with welfare state, they want welfare state eliminated and then open the borders.

That's what this author gets wrong. He hears "OPEN THE BORDERS! Blah blah blah!". Yes, that's what we believe in. But it's just like ending the Fed, we know you "just can't end the Fed tomorrow", but opening the borders and ending the fed is just an end game, libertarians are fully aware of the steps in between!

And most of the problems this author attributes to illegal immigrants is because California gives them welfare checks, food stamps, college tuition, medical care, and cell phones. Of course people are immigrating here and feeling entitled!

So no open borders (bleeding resources through welfare)

until welfare state excesses are curtailed? Seems like the proper order, does it not?

What would the Founders do?

I was just about to say the same.

This comment exactly.

There are many things we'd like to see come to fruition, but they all have prerequisites that need to be completed before proceeding. Namely, open borders and the welfare state that stands in our way.

(I just had to come back and BUMP this again!)

It's the best explanation of the issues at stake, and it should be front-paged.

What would the Founders do?

Big ol' BUMP! For tellin' it like it IS. Thank you!

This should be required reading, because the situation is so utterly dire... and yet so many truly intelligent people still have their heads up their asses where this issue is concerned. (I know it isn't constructive to say these things, and I'm sorry. [And it *certainly* isn't articulate!] But folks need to wake the FFF up!)

I hope this helps a ton of people here to see sense.

What would the Founders do?


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