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By masamasa on 1/21/2011 5:24:49 PM , Rating: 5
We promised not to extort or blackmail you. That is quite literally what it is. In Western culture you go to jail for that.

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By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/21/2011 5:55:19 PM , Rating: 5
That's just how China operates. It's no wonder they have achieved so much in such a short period of time, when you basically rip off every other countries R&D you can do quite a lot in a short period of time. What remains to be seen is if Chinese firms can actually develop new and innovative products on their own without resorting to industrial espionage. So far they can't.

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c) Industry and Raw Material Resources.. nuf sed.


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By Tuor on 1/22/2011 2:20:34 AM , Rating: 2
They don't need to. All they need to do is get close. They have such a huge population that if they can get close, they can use differences of scale to achieve what they want. They'll be able to do what Khrushchev said that the USSR would do: bury us.

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By amanojaku on 1/22/2011 1:41:08 PM , Rating: 5
I don't hate the Chinese; I hate the Chinese government. I'm sure the Chinese do, too. And, yes, the Chinese government has ripped off nearly anything while producing almost nothing. Remember that the most profitable and prolific Chinese businesses are backed by the government. At one point China's industrial output far exceeded it's general education. How else were those businesses producing products they couldn't possibly have known to make unless they were using knowledge stolen by the government?

The US got so far because of three things: distance, natural resources, and freedom.

We're bordered by Mexico and Canada, who are not exactly threats. Any other country who wanted to start a war with us couldn't have done it because it was difficult to transport large weapons by sea. This afforded us the peace necessary to make continuous industrial progress. Compare that to Europe and Asia, where neighboring countries were easily pulled into wars. We CHOSE to enter WWI and WWII, Vietnam, Korea, etc... And win or loose, our mainland was never touched. China, on the other hand, was embroiled in various wars until 1949, when it split into the PRC and the ROC. It's only had 60 years to modernize itself, while we've had over 200 years of modernization.

Additionally, the gold, oil, timber, etc... in the US funded successful businesses, and created powerful investors. They in turn funded entrepreneurs who drew talent from all over the world, as Thomas Edison did with Nikolai Tesla. As a large country numerically we have more talent than most, and the ability to draw even more talent from abroad.

Lastly, this country's government is one of the least corrupt and most forward thinking, where any entrepreneur has a chance at success and businesses are not extensions of the government. The US government also makes attempts to enable the poor by making public education available, providing scholarships, and providing loans to small businesses. China has only recently enacted such programs and finally developed a middle class, but historically it ignored the poor in favor of the rich. In 1981 the Chinese poverty rate was 53%; the US poverty rate hasn't been above 25% since 1960 and hovers around 15%. Unsurprisingly, the US has always been a major economic force, while China has become a force since the late 1980s, after it enacted economic reforms. A large amount of talent comes from the poor and middle class, like Thomas Edison, but without education and loans that talent will go wasted.

And how does a person's criticism of the Chinese government's policies turn into a desire to gas people? Paranoid much?

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By chick0n on 1/23/11, Rating: -1
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yeah, US law is never written by corporations...

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By Divide Overflow on 1/23/2011 4:26:28 AM , Rating: 2
It's amazing to see how hypocritical China is on IP. Now that they stand to make high tech advances of their own, they are becoming draconian about where and how it is used.

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By eddieroolz on 1/26/2011 1:28:20 AM , Rating: 2
I can't agree more.

I've said this many times on this forum, and I will repeat: The reason for Chinese success is because they blatantly ripped off every single thing out there.

Their high-speed rail train is a direct copy of the Type E3 Shinkansen and the French TGV, reverse-engineered by the Chinese. Then they upped the top-speed without making due engineering considerations. They have the audacity to sell the copied designs to other nations, including the US where they are bidding for the California High-Speed Rail Project. Japanese corporations are up in arms after knowing this truth, but they can't do anything about it.

There are other cases, too many to talk about, but with knowledge of any foreign language even you will be able to search up cases of Chinese IP infringements. Extortion, threats, outright shredding of contracts (after extraction of IP)....the cases go on forever.

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By bug77 on 1/24/2011 6:19:30 AM , Rating: 2
It is actually less than that. Anyone remembers China promising to open-up Internet access during the Olympics?

There is no problem for them to promise anything to get the others off their back. The problem is nobody has the means to hold them to their promise.

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By kattanna on 1/24/2011 10:50:27 AM , Rating: 2

exactly, just like they promise to act on all the bootleg DVD's of movies and software


Price of doing business in China
By iluvdeal on 1/21/2011 9:36:50 PM , Rating: 2
I can actually understand China's position here. They aren't interested in making a foreign corporation get richer while they get the table scraps. You want to do business in China? You'll need to partner with a Chinese company, build a plant there, hire 1000s of workers, and "share" your technology. China is looking after it's own best interests, can't blame them for that.

They have no respect in China for IP though. Have a good idea? That other company thinks so too and they'll steal it. No need to surrender your IP, they'll clone it, reverse engineer it, etc. The high speed rail industry in China is a good case study:

China will become the leading economic power in the world, when that happens I wonder how China will react to foreign corporations stealing Chinese IP?

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By Tuor on 1/22/2011 2:22:19 AM , Rating: 3
I'm sure they're modernizing their military simply for self-defense purposes...

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By Skywalker123 on 1/22/2011 3:06:33 PM , Rating: 1
No, if you want a military strictly for self defense you must have hundreds of overseas military bases like the U.S.

Well said :-)


RE: Price of doing business in China
By bobny1 on 1/22/2011 5:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget their basic foundation ** COMMUNISM **. Under the skin they have the same old communist idiology. The only difference is that like Russia and others they have learned that in the modern age there is no need to fire a wapon to conquer the world. It is amazing how they have cloned the capitalist model and use it as a wapon to transform the world. The scary part is that not only China is using it. Other countries like Venezuela(Chavez)and almost all of Latin American countries are using "Twisted democracy" and vertually very little money to manipulate the masses and position their leaders transforming this part of the world into a China- Russia " socialist world". In my opinion, unless the Capitalist world stick together and come up with a short term stragedy the outcome can shapeup pretty ugly.

By roykahn on 1/23/2011 6:08:02 AM , Rating: 2
Only if you think socialism is worse than capitalism.

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By FaaR on 1/23/2011 1:25:23 PM , Rating: 2
China is NOT a communist country, except in name only. Strictly speaking it's never been communist at all, although it used to be more communist-ish in the past, before Deng Xiaoping rose to power and and started instituting those economic reforms in the 1980s that led to the China we have today.

China's an oppressive dictatorship with a capitalist market economy. It's not communist at all.

You on the other hand, wouldn't know communism if it walked up to you and bit you in the ass. Back to school with you my friend, educate yourself a bit.

RE: Price of doing business in China
By bobny1 on 1/24/2011 7:26:31 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously you were NOT borned, raised, jailed in a Communist country.."like I did". ...All I can wich is for yor kids ASS to grow safe and free..."like mine".....****IGNORANt!!****

RE: Price of doing business in China
By sviola on 1/24/2011 1:25:28 PM , Rating: 2
You should review your concepts, as the "Bolivarian model" from Venezuela has nothing to do with the Chinese Model.

Eddie Murphy for Negotiations
By Mitch101 on 1/21/2011 3:02:15 PM , Rating: 5
Were not gonna fall for the banana in the tail pipe!

Where can I find the 6 button?

RE: Eddie Murphy for Negotiations
By amanojaku on 1/21/2011 5:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
I hear that from women much too often...

It's a trap! (C) Akbar
By Pirks on 1/21/2011 3:05:56 PM , Rating: 2

RE: It's a trap! (C) Akbar
By DanNeely on 1/21/2011 3:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
There's two of them!

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By Souka on 1/21/2011 4:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
"Hang on, I know some maneuvers that'll out run(?) them"... ship drifts gently to the left....

South Korea's rules
By CZroe on 1/22/2011 1:03:10 AM , Rating: 2
The reason there was a Hyundai Super Nintendo Entertainment System and a Samsung Sega MegaDrive/Genesis was because South Korea had strict laws against foreign companies doing business in their country. Only Korean companies were allowed to sell products there, so foreign companies had to partner with a Korean company and let them brand it. This also lead to a LOT of IP sharing. Watch a typical Hyundai SNES commercial and you'll see animated Warner Brothers characters, Nintendo characters, Disney characters, etc all pushing the SNES (not clips... original animation). Because the games were also sold by Hyundai, they had the right to promote them using the character IP.

All this has changed.

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By daar on 1/23/2011 12:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
Producing via 3rd party and using IP's to create you're own product is different.

Did Hyundai or Samsung create replicas of the SNES or Genesis, say it was their own creation, and start selling them to over here? No. If there was some agreement for Hyundai to sell consoles/games, then commercials to promote said product with the characters in the product seems legit. It's not like Hyundai started making their own cartoons/games using Disney characters.The only major IP sharing done was one between Sony and Samsung a few years back, and the sharing was mutual.

Really, it's not like Samsung, Hyundai, etc. drastically caught up to leaders in tech overnight like China has, they've been trying to catch up for decades. Maybe that just shows China's method of outright grab for IP infringement was the way to go, only time will tell I guess.

Economic power
By techyguy on 1/21/2011 4:26:45 PM , Rating: 2
It's no wonder that they will become an economic power. They don't acknowledge international copyright infringements. If they ever do, they will be sued into oblivion.

Now where did I put my IPhone 4 that comes preloaded with 100 Nintendo games.

