

To not want my ds to be near friend whose dd has not had mmr?

(72 Posts)
orderinformation Sun 07-Apr-13 23:32:36

Dd had mmr at 13 months. A good friend who we play with a lot at her house has just told me her dd didn't have it because they never got round to it. Now my dd is protected because she has had her jabs but 4mo ds is put at risk by this right? Aibu not to want to take him there now I know this, or have them to ours. A friend's dd got measles aged 8 months because lack of mmr take up in our area meant herd immunity lost.

Mosschops30 Sun 07-Apr-13 23:35:35

You can get him vaccinated early if you want to.
He will still need the two jabs at 13 months and booster though


5318008 Sun 07-Apr-13 23:36:40

I think you should never ever see them again

never ever ever ever never ever

Up to you.

I would still take my DC to play there. I don't actually know which of DS's friends (well, their siblings) at that age were vaccinated or not, or which adults in my family had ever had any of the diseases vaccinated for.

Sometimes you can overthink these things.

AmberSocks Sun 07-Apr-13 23:43:14

you do realize that unvaccinated kids arent walking around full to the brim with disease?that vaccinations supposedly are to protect human beings from catching diseases,not to rid them of diseases that are there already?

Molehillmountain Sun 07-Apr-13 23:44:20

Two of my neighbours are anti vaccinations and I have to admit I felt uncomfortable at times around their children until my babies were vaccinated. I know how you feel-and I rarely say that!

MajaBiene Sun 07-Apr-13 23:44:53

I wouldn't take an unvaccinated baby to somewhere that I knew unvaccinated children would be in close contact. Babies are particularly vulnerable.

AmberSocks Sun 07-Apr-13 23:44:56

Also in the latest outbreak of measles most cases were in vaccinated children,so really your mate should be worried not you.

Rookiebfcounsellor Sun 07-Apr-13 23:45:38

We mix with a lot of un vax children by pure chance. My dc have had their jabs.

If I lived in Swansea and had a 4 month old I would avoid tbh.

I have not avoided the un vax kids myself in the past, but then we don't live in a high measles area.

poodletip Sun 07-Apr-13 23:46:32

If there is an outbreak in your area currently I think perhaps I would feel the same. Otherwise I probably wouldn't worry about it too much.

IloveJudgeJudy Mon 08-Apr-13 01:33:05

Amber is that really true? That most cases were in already vaccinated DC? If so, why would so many be queuing up to get their DC jabbed? Where did you find that information, please?

ripsishere Mon 08-Apr-13 02:02:56

Just get the measles vax. My DD was given it at birth because of the extremely high number of cases in the country she was born in.
She then went on to have her MMR when she was due them.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Mon 08-Apr-13 02:19:40

Do you suspect your friend's DD actually has measles, mumps or rubella?

Because this is the only way your DS would be at risk from associating with her.

Nandocushion Brazil Mon 08-Apr-13 03:39:04

I would avoid.

coldwater Mon 08-Apr-13 05:11:38

I would not take my baby to play with a child that had not been vaccinated.

anothershittynickname Mon 08-Apr-13 06:04:30

Amber are you uneducated enough to believe that vaccinations completely prevent catching the very disease the vax covers? You do understand that they are there to lessen the risk of severity / enable the body to fight said disease?

The lack of herd immunity is why there is an outbreak regardless of who has caught it - the vaccinated children are just less likely to have a severe case!

However, I too would be interested to see where you gleaned your ever so candid •information• from hmm

AngryGnome Mon 08-Apr-13 07:29:10

Surely everyone knows that vaccinations don't entirely prevent any risk of any child getting a disease? What they do is significantly and effectively reduce that risk. As parents, we have to use the information available to us to minimise the risk to our children. Obviously, you cant stop your child ever going out on the basid that they might mix with a child who is infected. however, personally i would avoid putting my child in a sutuation where i know that there is a heightened risk, so i would rather not expose my unvaccinated 4 month old to a child who I know has a higher than average chance of being infected with measles. That's my choice, the same as it is the choice of other parents to not vaccinate their children.

Are you in an outbreak area OP? That would influence my decision.

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 07:33:14

If we are talking about 'risk' a newly vaccinated child, because the virus is live, has more 'chance' of passing on the disease to an unvaccinated child. Hence vaccinated children being under the weather for a few days after vaccination, as their immune system steps up to make the required anti-bodies

Reading this forum, you'd think unvaccinated children were swanning round dispensing the plague willy-nilly. There is so much supposition and myth because people seem to like hysteria. Now I think about it, hysteria is a default setting for some.

meditrina Mon 08-Apr-13 07:38:11

'I would not take my baby to play with a child that had not been vaccinated'

So you'll never join any baby/toddler groups etc, taking your baby swimming, or for days out? And as you can still get the diseases even if vaccinated, presumably you'll be swerving nursery and home educating idc. For none of those places require proof of vaccination status.

At 4 months, maternal antibodies would still have a strong protective effect (that's why 1st dose isn't recommended until 13 months when they should have disappeared).

But if you are so worried that you are considering quarantining your children, then it is totally safe to give it younger. And probably better for everyone's well being than sitting at home in total exclusion (there's zero point in isolation unless it's done totally - so no taking a baby into company at all if you're to be consistent in using this method).

Cat98 Mon 08-Apr-13 07:45:22

ambersocks post time 23:44

Can you provide a source for this information, please?

IDontDoIroning Mon 08-Apr-13 07:55:37

Amber are you confused with the recent Whooping cough issue where a lot of older vax teens etc were getting it.?

I'm in Wales (not Swansea) and I haven't heard this on the news I understood it was mostly due to the large numbers of unvaccinated dc,

Younger people who have been vaccinated themselves haven't seen the effects of measles.

I have had measles - I can't remember it as I was v young pre mmr my dm said I was v ill and my neighbours ds also caught it suffered permanent damage to his eyes.

meditrina Mon 08-Apr-13 08:01:00

There was an effective measles vaccine available in UK from 1968, when it was readily available to all up to and including at least primary school age. So only those older than their mid-50s have non-availability of vax as a reason.

Perhaps, IDontDoIronong, you had it because of vax failure? Which is no higher for single than for MMR.

StayAwayFromTheEdge Mon 08-Apr-13 08:08:51

Amber - I would be interested in seeing the study too - thank you.

meditrina Mon 08-Apr-13 08:10:35

I don't think stats have been released about vax status of those who have caught measles during this outbreak. The HPA has figures on its website for all 2012 cases in England/Wales, and of those patient only about 7% had documented evidence of receipt of at least one dose of any measles containing vaccine.

AnyoneforTurps Mon 08-Apr-13 08:12:26

Amber, you're talking bollocks. MMR is 90% effective after 1st jab and over 98% effective after the 2nd.

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