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Albuquerque Shooting: Teenager Kills 5 People, Including 3 Children

10:32 pm - 01/20/2013
Albuquerque Shooting: Teenager Kills 5 People, Including 3 Children



















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(EDITED AGAIN to fix borked html.)
doverz 21st-Jan-2013 05:52 am (UTC)
You would think that with guns in the home, that this tragedy wouldn't have happened. Oh wait......
emofordino 21st-Jan-2013 07:10 am (UTC)
i wonder how many more people are going to have their own guns turned on them before the gun-nuts realize how stupid their logic is? unfortunately i feel like it's probably going to be a lot. :(
asrana 21st-Jan-2013 10:50 am (UTC)
"Well I know lots of people who own guns and we've never had a problem with it!"

It's exactly the same argument that my mum tried to use with me to talk me out of giving our kid his MMR - she never knew anyone who went blind/died/etc of measles. Yeah, sure, but are you telling me that you're on first-name, come-round-for-dinner terms with 10,000 families?

(N.B. not trying to derail talk of gun control talk into talk of MMR vaccine safety, just want to make the point that saying "but I don't know anyone with that problem" is something that loads of people do and it's frustrating in any situation where it's being held up as an actual meaningful argument vs Proper Science.)
ljtaylor 21st-Jan-2013 02:14 pm (UTC)
well, that and measles incidences have been reduced due to vaccinations & herd immunity < / derail >

...I won't get me started on anti-vaxxers. I completely get your argument
bowtomecha 21st-Jan-2013 11:55 pm (UTC)
She doesn't know anybody with serious issues from measles thanks to the vaccines. It seems that people interested in only their own history forget to look at the history from before.
asrana 22nd-Jan-2013 12:09 am (UTC)
...I said I didn't want to derail, but. You're not actually correct in this instance - my mum grew up in extreme poverty in Hong Kong during the 1950s. Think one stand pipe for the whole tenement block and having to boil the water before it's safe to drink. Birthday present being a new pair of shoes and maybe an egg at breakfast. They still needed bubonic plague and cholera surveillance at that time (although I don't think they still had plague outbreaks, just paranoia) - not to mention polio, malaria, etc, etc, that's why she didn't hear of anyone dying from measles growing up, people were still worrying about the bigger fish.
mollywobbles867 21st-Jan-2013 07:42 am (UTC)
I shouldn't have checked _p. It's hard to sleep when your heart is breaking.
poetic_pixie_13 21st-Jan-2013 02:53 pm (UTC)
I always tell myself that I'm going to stop checking _p before bed because it just inevitably keeps me up late raging or just breaks your heart.

I still haven't managed to stop, tho. =/
baka_tenshi 21st-Jan-2013 10:33 am (UTC)
just so fucking sick of these shootings. will it ever be fucking enough?!!
wrestlingdog 21st-Jan-2013 12:42 pm (UTC)
Getting sick of this shit.




bestdaywelived 21st-Jan-2013 03:30 pm (UTC)
Um, actually, if this is a domestic violence murder, the image applies even more.
kishmet 21st-Jan-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
I think that's what the OP's saying, but they're clarifying that they don't know for sure whether it was a DV murder because the article doesn't say whether the shooter was related to the victims.
bowtomecha 22nd-Jan-2013 12:01 am (UTC)
I'm hoping that the definition of domestic violence doesn't just pertain to nuclear relationships or a household. I think anybody with strong affinity or strong personal relationship should be considered dv as well. This kid could have been the neighborhood kid who spent half his time at their house hanging out. Its usually only limited to family or partners but I don't see why strong friendships can't qualify as well.
kishmet 22nd-Jan-2013 12:15 am (UTC)
Oh, I agree. They just didn't mention the kid's relationship to the family at all yet as far as I saw. The way the crime was committed I would agree with the OP's assessment that it was probably domestic violence-related whether he technically lived in the house or not
moonshaz 22nd-Jan-2013 02:29 am (UTC)
Exactly. From the article I originally posted, there was no indication of whether the kid was a family member, a neighbor, an intruder, or what. Turns out this was exactly what I thought it was: a case of a kid killing his parents and siblings. But as strong as my suspicions were, I couldn't be sure of that when I was making the post.

Edited at 2013-01-22 02:30 am (UTC)
bestdaywelived 22nd-Jan-2013 02:14 am (UTC)
At the organization where I used to work, it was defined as romantic partners and biological/legal family.
moonshaz 22nd-Jan-2013 02:25 am (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. All the articles I was able to find at that point were NOT coming out and saying this was a case of someone shooting members of his family, but it sure sounded like it to me. But I didn't know for a FACT, so I added the disclaimer. As it happens, I was right. I have added an update, which will hopefully clarify things.

I also added the domestic violence tag, since I now know that it definitely applies.

Edited at 2013-01-22 02:27 am (UTC)
evilnel 21st-Jan-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
Does anybody know the sources for the statistics cited in the image? I would love to have these studies handy!
spiegel11th 21st-Jan-2013 09:46 pm (UTC)
Aaaand THIS is why my father sold his guns when my elder brother was born - and my father is the sort of paranoid-protective army officer bloke to keep his firearms in a locked gun cabinet with the key on his own keyring in his own pocket at all times...
So what the hell are these people thinking?
deleriumd 22nd-Jan-2013 01:27 am (UTC)
I would love the hear the pro-gun fanatics defence to those statistics.

Also, is it me or does every political cartoonist have the same chicken-scratch printing?
xballroomblitz 22nd-Jan-2013 09:14 am (UTC)
My "Uncle" is a newspaper comic writer and he has the same handwriting as well. I think it's just how their brains work and therefore that's how their handwriting ends up? IDK.

I would have said its a font, but I'm currently looking at my Christmas card from him.
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