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trillion debt because we tax too little. it's because we spend too much. >> shannon: that's the debate we heard during the fiscal cliff negotiations and we are going to hear in the weeks and months, as you have outlined. all during the fiscal cliff, all the polling showed that the general public thought this was the fault of the house republicans, primarily the house side and republicans in congress as a whole. have you headed up the republican national committee, you know what it is like to sell a message to the american people. why are the republicans not doing well? they are saying, we are trying to put on the brakes and we are selling out our grandkids. but the public, when polled, blames republicans for this? >> one of the things you learn in politics, sometimes the other side gets the bumper sticker and you get the essay. the democratic-controlled senate has not papassed a budget in 3 years. the house republican vtion passed budgets when they have controlled-- the american people are never told that. why? republicans don't talk about it enough -- >> shannon: why not? >> well, becaus
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