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the election in november. the majority of american voters blame g.w. bush than obama for the country's current economic situation. i don't think the answer to this is by reembracing bush and having jeb bush running in 2016. putting on the brother of the man hot majority of the voters think is more responsible for the shape we are in. we had tremendous spending under g.w. bush. he increased spending just a little bit less than linden baines johnson did. second biggest spender since eisenhower since chris edwards cato institute. tarp, bailouts, medicare drug plan. expansion of government which again we have not seen since the great society. i don't think reembracing all of that and again becoming the party of big government conservatism is the way to get back in the good gracious of the voters. >> laura: i have great affection for the bush family. they spend every christmas at camp david. they were worried about their secret service and staffers being away from their families. i have great affection for them. i have had my policy differences with the bushes, however. and on this issue of illegal

. philosophical. >> laura: the reality, though, anthony is that they lost the election in november. so the taxes are going go up. i mean the idea that -- taxes going to go up on obama care and a bunch of other taxes kick in and cost of living going up. the pragmatic rehe action would be in an a perfect world there would be no tax increases. going to happen one way or another. your point is he should stick to principle and go over the cliff. >> that is why he got elected by his body and in his district. we kept the house. the taxing authority. we have the constitutional authority and duty to go in there and tax and spend and create that budget. also we beat up obama and rightly so for the lack of transparency in the obama care debate and we are having four people negotiate the budget. put it back into paul ryan's hands and let's lead. >> i heard paul ryan's name mentioned. of course, his office, don't look at us. we support boehner. but look, if there was some revolt, if this thing is real and people will start mentioning ryan and it builds and builds and builds, i mean would he be somebody who s

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