Submitted by 32froshes 719d ago | opinion piece

Final Fantasy Versus XIII’s Cancellation Proves Square Enix Isn't Capable of Making Good Decisions

Back in 2006, I wasn’t a videogame journalist yet. At that point, the PS3 wasn’t even out yet, and when it did come out, it was far too expensive for me to consider buying one. I mean, I was just a broke college student.

But one day, I casually walked into a GameStop and saw the trailer for Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Yes, this was the trailer that had debuted at 2006’s E3. (Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn, Final Fantasy XV, PS3, Square Enix)

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Kamikaze135  +   720d ago
You know....I feel that Versus XIII DID get canceled and it's being developed as FFXV. It's too high budget of a project to just flat out cancel and it's been so anticipated through the years. It probably won't get that mature rating it was supposed to get due to becoming a mainstream FF game.

Another thing to note is that Versus XIII was supposedly going to include a giant world like the older and more traditional FF games....which is something that "FFXV" is rumored to have.

Then there is the part where the rumors mentioned that FFXV started getting worked on shortly after XIII released.....which was around the time that SE mentioned Versus XIII development went into full throttle.

With that said, I'm sure that FFXV aka Versus XIII will be announced later this year and get released next year since they supposedly want to shorten development cycles.
user5467007  +   720d ago
Thats what I think aswell but the thing is if this is true how does Nomura feel about this

FF13 Versus was his project, the reason he wanted to make it exclusively for the PS3 was so he could focus his time and effort on a machine which could bring his vision to life without limitations, FF13s cut content prooves he probably didn't want the same to happen to verus.

So what will he feel like now that his project...the story he's been building up for 6 years now is going to be made into FF15 which is a Multiplatform game. I mean if FF15 is exclusive to the PS3 then fair enough I bet he would be fine with it, happier even that a FF spin off is now a main title game but if it is MP and then have to cut a ton of stuff out of the game and dumb things down Nomura would be devestated. I wonder if he would leave Square and continue to put up with them...will they force him to make KH3 multiplatform? So many questions

If it is cancelled completely I really want to know how Nomura feels about this.
Irishguy95  +   719d ago
I think he will be happy to be honest, Wada would not give him a main series FF, if he is given the title FF15 he has proven himself to them.

Basically, if he gets 15, Wada will have to admit Nomura deserved a chance in the first place.

Wada"i've been trying to salvage this POS ffxiii when I shoulda given Nomura and the team the go ahead to make versus at full speed"
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Reibooi  +   719d ago
I would be willing to bet that if Versus has become XV that Nomura is still in full control of the project and that little will be changed in the transition. Nomura is a very important part of SE as he is easily the only guy in the company who can consistently put out quality games. I doubt the upper management of the company would risk pissing him off in any way. Now I don't know for sure but if I was him I would think he may like to have Versus become XV as it won't have the name association with XIII(which alot of people don't like)

On top of the fact that just becoming XV doesn't prove that it will all of a sudden become multiplatform. SE saw first hand that FFXIII sold a majority of it's copies on PS3 and while the 360 did get some sales they would have to weigh the trade off in quality and keeping Nomura happy against that. SE probably knows they are not very popular right now and getting Versus out as Versus or XV and still being exclusive can be something of a vanity project.(i.e it will like not make as much money but will be a positive mark on their record as far as the fans are concerned)

All that said I am really getting annoyed with all these articles poping up about it being cancelled. It was a RUMOR and until SE confirms or denies it people should treat it as such but since the original rumor broke we have had like 3 articles treating it as if it was fact.
morganfell  +   719d ago
Amazing how a rumor has now become a matter of fact announcement.

Oh wait, it's people taking another stab at being game journalists.

I am not saying that it isn't cancelled, merely that without a confirmation reporting Kotaku's earlier speculation as fact is irresponsible and a disservice to the game community.
Darrius Cole  +   719d ago
1. I don't think that FFvs13 could be made multi-plat without a major downgrade in visual quality.

2. Besides if Versus is indeed not cancelled then it should get a release date next year. I think that would be too soon for a numbered FFXV.

That has me leaning toward Versus still carrying it same name...or at least not being call FFXV.
creatchee  +   719d ago

BUT if it becomes FFXV, maybe it goes multiplayform on next-gen consoles. At that point, the disparity between 360's and PS3's storage mediums would be null, considering DVD will obviously no longer be a factor.
Disccordia  +   719d ago
But.. the XV rumour was supposedly directed by the guy who did 9 and 12 and whose name I forget. Nomura relegated once again to character designer.
wishingW3L  +   719d ago
@Darrius Cole visuals are not the problem, to me, it's the content! The game will either be scattered on multiple discs making the experience all disjointed or they will cut tons of stuff to make it on only 1 DVD9. No matter what Square does we lose.

And I think it'll be better if Square starts the development of FFXV on next gen consoles because seeing how slow they are by the time the game comes out this gen will be more than dead.
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Darrius Cole  +   717d ago

I was thinking about graphical assets. They could something like Skyrim, on 1 DVD9, but Skyrim doesn't have the graphical diversity of Final Fantasy and the graphical assets that are present don't approach the quality of FFXIII. And FF13 was gutted of content, degraded in quality, and made linear as hell all for the sake of 3 DVD9's.

So, you are correct. Unless they all the way back to PS2 graphics...early PS2 graphics we are screwed if it is multi-plat.
under taker 34  +   719d ago
tombraider and deus ex's sequel is probably on SE's mind, those just cause 3, ff13-3 and batman arkham world. too many games for them to start splitting up tasks let alone finishing them.
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Whitefeather  +   719d ago
Rocksteady was bought by WB way before Arkham City. Square Enix has no ties to it anymore.
WeskerChildReborned  +   719d ago
I know, it had potential so i'm hoping that it was so good that it had to be a numbered sequel thus it maybe being XV.
geddesmond  +   719d ago
This is just another one of those shitty rumours made up to get everyone talking. There is no way SE would cancel the only final fantasy game fans are excited for. If any FF game got canceled its FF13-3 because hardly anyone wants another crappy title from that crappy world.

If anything, only the name of the game got changed and not canceled. I mean if SE did cancel this game then they might as well just close up their doors for good because no fan will ever like them again especially after dragging fans through 6 years of anticipation for a game that won't see the light of day.
CDzNutts  +   719d ago
It's been confirmed already, dear.
Ranma1  +   719d ago
I dont know a single good console games SE made this gen.

Do you?
turgore  +   719d ago
Well not made, but they published Deus Ex: HR. Also sleeping dogs seems to be a great game judging by early reviews.
darthawesome90  +   719d ago
I hope it just became FFXV, like the rumor that was released in May revealing that Versus may be multi-platform for the Wii U and PS3. If not then someone needs to start firing some people and replacing them with talent.

here is the link to the Wii U multiplat and re-branding rumor

I don't really think it's cancelled. It has everything going for it. Likeable characters (from what we've seen), dark like FFVII, great aesthetics, huge fan base, etc. If they can't perfect something that has been in dev. for six years then what makes Square-Enix believe that they can create FFXV? (assuming it's not FF-Versus rebranded)
Majin-vegeta  +   719d ago
SE already confirmed it's fake-__-.
Kanzes  +   720d ago
They made FF13-3 instead. lol. way to go to make fans angry, SE
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   719d ago
I smell a 13-4 incoming...
helghast102  +   719d ago
Nope, not angry yet.
CaitSith  +   719d ago
How many XIII-(insert iteration here) do you need for you to get angry?
xflo360  +   719d ago
I think they should just hand over final fantasy franchise to level 5 so a decent developer can make a proper final fantasy with a rich open world.
richierich  +   720d ago
Please no more FF13 spinoffs FF13-2 was more than enough. Square just concentrate on Versus
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LiamDirish  +   720d ago
If FFv13 is cancelled it will have been a huge waste of time and is the result of very bad decisions and bad management. I really don't know what's going on over in SE but they had better sort it out or the Final Fantasy brand is gonna be dead pretty soon.
skyrim  +   720d ago
The game is still being made it's just ffxv now they literally just changed the name.People are saying all this canceled stuff just for hits I assure you the game is intact just under a new name and release schedule.
chrispen9  +   719d ago
Three words: Kingdom Hearts Three
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chadwarden  +   719d ago
3 is a number
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Qrphe  +   719d ago
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_Aarix_  +   719d ago
Three is the worded form of 3 so three is a word, 3 isn't.
CDzNutts  +   719d ago
Three is a number, written out as a word.
Lord_Sloth  +   719d ago
It can't PROVE anything since it's cancellation is not yet confirmed. It's still only a rumor.
mafiahajeri  +   719d ago
Im starting to think people are spreading rumors just so they can know whats really going on with the game.
Game4life  +   719d ago
everyone would LOVE that now wouldnt they ahah

Hey guys final fantasy vs 13 is coming out tomorrow....
Awesome i gotta go preorder.
Blackpool  +   719d ago
lol, i agree. I think someone from square will eventually put these rumors to rest.
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greenpowerz  +   719d ago
They made their new engine and will be moving on to world class multi platform next gen games. They've been globalizing their company for a few years now.
Patriots_Pride  +   719d ago
Finally someone with some sense.

With this generation closing it would make more sense to release this game next gen - this way they game would sell more and it would have longer legs.

Plus they can take advantage of the net gen tech. Also I dont see this game still being exclusive unless SQUARE singed a contract with Sony, times are hard and game studios need every bit of money they can get.

The same will go for MGS5 it will be multi-plat next gen because as much as Kojima loves the PS3 share holders have more of a say in which platforms the game releases on to maximize profit,
Qrphe  +   719d ago
Why do people keep on saying that vxXIII would be turned into XV?
Have you ever played any two numbered FF games? The background of XIII is all over vsXIII for it to be simply turned/renamed into XV; no main FF game has ever shared the background of any other main FF game.
Irishguy95  +   719d ago
Backround of Versus is nothing like XIII. They run on the same Mythos, nothing more. They aren't even similar.
Qrphe  +   719d ago
They exactly run on the same mythos. Etro, a deity of Pulse, is involved in vsXIII (and most likely fal'Cie too given that concept art from years ago) just like in every Fabula Nova Crystallis title.

FFXV will most likely have a franchise of its own (thus original mythos and lore) like most non-MMO FF games.
Irishguy95  +   719d ago
You'd be surprised how much the 'backrounds' are alike in most FF's. Especially with regards to the crystals. Etro is completely different in this one, Fal'cie and L'cie are also in this game, however, they are nothing like the ones in FFXIII or Type 0. Same names, completely different stories/ They have no relation at all, Versus has Crystals with power in it like Most FF's/

Noct or his family is likely a chosen L'cie of either Etro or the death god(if they aren't the same being). So is Stella. Same names, but L'cie is still way different in this one/ The only resemblance is Noct is given power by a higher being. You could give the same comparison for someone blessed by God for example/ Only the name really relates the two. Also due to this, it would be very easy to get rid of the word L'cie and Fal'cie, then there is no resemblance at all(or at least, it's only as much as other FF's resemble)

Although one could argue that Noct's families focus is to protect the crystal/ Anyhow the story so far goes completely against him having a focus in the way XIII does, since he goes on a road trip with his cronies after his city is attacked/taken over
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user5467007  +   719d ago
With how long it's been in developmnt they could easily change the mythology of the game.....
Skateboard  +   719d ago
There have been more fails then good things i will admit. I'm tired of people wanting the exacts games like the old ones with annoying battle screens and random battles every 3 secs.
DragonKnight  +   719d ago
"Back in 2006, I wasn’t a videogame journalist yet."

And with that title you aren't one now. There is no cancellation as of right now. Kotaku has successfully made idiots out of so many pseudo journalists who will have to retract all of these statements later.

The amount of people making "articles" about a rumour that has literally no substantial evidence in even the smallest amount is epic facepalm inducing. Actually no, it induces this...

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32froshes  +   719d ago
You know, the article doesn't ever say it's anything more than a rumor. The title is a little heavy-handed, sure, but if you read the article, it makes more sense.

Also, the title had to be shortened to fit N4G's 100 character limit. The ACTUAL article title is longer, but more accurate.
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DragonKnight  +   719d ago
Read the whole article, including the actual title, and the only word difference in the title is that the word "may" has been removed from it, and even then it's just before prove. The title SHOULD read "FFVersus XIII's rumoured cancellation may prove SE isn't capable of making good decisions."

The article spends more time reminiscing than talking about the actual rumour, and not until the 8th paragraph is the word rumour even used, and only briefly. And in the last paragraph you have "whatever the reason for this decision" as though it's something that has actually happened.

Sorry, but the article is written by a blogger, not a journalist.
wastedcells  +   719d ago
Moving forward square will make all it's money on the EIDOS purchase which was a great decision. Deus Ex sold well, tomb raider will sell millions, hitman will sell, true crime is going to be a massive hit and just cause has a growing fan base. They might be in a slump with the final fantasy games but they will bounce back. Looking back I think a lot of companies are kicking themselves for making the decision not to buy EIDOS. Who knows maybe they will let one of the Eidos development studios to make the next FF game or spin off.
riot365  +   719d ago
I believe that the "fake" E3 trailer depicting Versus XIII as XV was indeed real.... Wishful thinking.
wastedcells  +   719d ago
And versus isnt cancelled, I bet it's going next gen!
DarkZane  +   719d ago
Versus isn't cancelled. The news came from kotaku which never said who their sources were.

Also, apparently, a reliable source on neogaf apparently says there will be info at TGS.

Now who should I believe? Kotaku or someone reliable close to SE who gave good infos in the past?
Summons75  +   719d ago
Finally someone with some common sense. It's one thing to read a rumor and have your own speculation on it but it's another to take that rumor and proclaim it as fact like all these amateur bloggers are doing. Kotaku started this wild fire with the unnamed sources, which should have been a red flag right there. Neogaf at least is a bit more believable but until Square Enix comes out and says something either now, a week and a half from now at the FF 25th special or at TGS than no should believe for sure. I have my own speculations about it but watching this thing blow up like it has today is just irritating. I just can't wait till Square says the official status and puts this whole ting to rest.
Relientk77  +   719d ago
At the title:

Ain't that the truth
CLOUD1983  +   719d ago
I think it will be better if we make some patient for the next 2 months until TGS start if SE doesn't show anything about Versus there then u can start believing all those rumors.
tidusforeverx2  +   719d ago
I am very sick of people restating these rumors of the cancellation of versus xiii when there has still been no confirmation. And there is no reason to rename. 0 benefit to doing that. Use some damn logic. Why would they roll it into a supposed XV only to receive ridicule for doing so. Considering this all blew up from kotaku and their constant made up crap that they can't seem to verify I'm calling shenanigans!!!
Jazz4108  +   719d ago
I hope this game does release only on the ps3 and when its crap I am wondering how the n4g faithfull will blame ms for this one? Btw its only a rumor. I could start a rumo that fina fantasy 13vs is now exclusive to the 360. If you guys on ps3 are itching for a great rpg go play Lost Odessey on the 360 or witcher 2 on 360 or pc. What's really sad is a small team like mistwalker can put out a huge game in a few years and this vs crap is dragging on and on. Something is wrong. Either Sony announced it to soon or se messed up. Eithr way I smell lawsuits from fans who purchased a ps3 for this game if its cancelled.
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catch  +   719d ago
Final Fantasy XVersus
DivineAssault  +   719d ago
Versus 13 has been canceled??? NVM its a rumor...
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Hozi  +   719d ago
It's SE way of going Multiplat without pissing off too many fans. We all know they're gonna take that Versus 13 and make it into FF15. I bet they are gonna split it into at least 2 parts just like FF13.
TheDivine  +   719d ago
Isnt VS13 a rumor to begin with? A rumored cancelation for a vaporware game? AWESOME. Square and Sony need to be bitch slapped for this. They hyped this title up to sell ps3's and many people did for this one game and the ps4 is going to release without ever seeing the game people bought the damn system for. Same thing with Last Guardian, Agent and other titles. Stop annoucing titles before production starts and quit trying to sell systems with games that wont be out for 6-7 years IF ever.
Killman  +   719d ago
Since 13-2 was just a giant middle finger to FF fans, I wouldn't be surprised if they stuck the other one up as well.

They will not cancel this though, waaaaaaaay too much ambition, despite the lack of information.
mechlord  +   719d ago
i really really hope FFvsXIII gone FFXV. it'll be easier to write at least.
carlocgc  +   719d ago
i was never really hopeful of versus to be honest XIII XIV SHOULD have been great be weren't i dont see why se would suddenly release a great FF spin off it hasn't happened yet except Tactics to my knowledge. if they release FFXIII-3 they can go to the devil for all i care it kills me to say it being a diehard VII & XI fan (fan being an under statement) nothing good lasts forever especially good developers :) unless you like CoD of course (best CoD was number 3, yea check that one TANKS FTW) FF is dead to me. ill be playing CD projects new RPG instead of FFXV
GARBAGE LICKER  +   719d ago
I feel like a Japanese news site would receive info that it was cancelled before kotaku, Im not buying this rumor at all
Ken22  +   719d ago
Yea,that's what i'm thinking how would American news know and not the Japanese News??If it were true i'm pretty sure this would be all over the web on the Japanese news.

You would have to be pretty dumb to cancel this.
Run_bare  +   719d ago
Makes me so angry if they cancelled this, they could just owned up to the fans and say the truth. Japanese of old has moral and sense of pride and truth, what happen now is pathetic. I think greed has won if this were true.
cozeh  +   719d ago
Seriously how stupid is the US? Only they are capable of pulling off this kind of garbage. Saddest journalistic standards I've ever seen.
Frodosmugins  +   719d ago
Even if its true "Square Enix Isn't Capable of Making Good Decisions" is bit of a overstatment!!

Yeah ok for past 5-6 years they was going the wrong route but I think Square is in a transition and Im excited what lies ahead..

For example Square have redone FF14 Online in a way wich willl appeal to more people.. I mean the guy has got his team siting down playing western mmos to get ideas on how to make a good mmorpg...
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