Submitted by Menashe 597d ago | opinion piece




DeadPixel  +   597d ago | Well said
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WPX  +   597d ago
Nintendo Bashing Brigade, ROFL
almost spat my coffee into the monitor from the laughter.
+bubbles for you sir.
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clyde san  +   597d ago
That is a very rational view to take.

what's so "radical" about these "new" chips?
scissor_runner  +   597d ago





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Keep on dreaming peeps.

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pennywhyz  +   597d ago
Just got popcorn.
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Griffin4871  +   597d ago
It has begun.
Abdou23  +   597d ago
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fatstarr  +   596d ago

means its true man.

*claims wiiu has a horrible slow cpu*

*wiiu's cpu is faster than the 360...*
hennessey86  +   597d ago | Well said
You should never judge a console on its launch games, it will take at least another 6 months before we see what the Wii u can really do.
Griffin4871  +   597d ago
Confused as to why you have one bubble. You speak truth.
MegaLagann  +   597d ago
What is this logic you speak of?
AlucardFury  +   597d ago
Well excuse us for creating a ruckus but the guy from A4 said the CPU was "horrible". Why didn't he mentioned the GPU as being better than whats on 360/PS3 to counter-balance his statement?
scissor_runner  +   597d ago
Because he got alot of flake over how they used apus which are similar to the wiiu gpgpu combo. They are not crytek. Hell even epic out classes them... Metro does not have a strong programming a debugging team. To be fair they are a small team that's frustrated with their experiments.

It is horrible to him since his funding is counting on him to fix what teams would fix. It's the price you pay when you take the crown.
SilentNegotiator  +   596d ago
That's a cute way of trying to justify it, except that DICE said essentially the same thing.
TUGA  +   597d ago
Or maybe he isn't a fanboy and he was just giving his opinion about the new console that was released a few days ago. Fanboys are the ones that must turn every lttle detail into a competition.

@ below It's not his fault that fanboys on the internet turned what he said into ammunition. He his a developer and he gave his opinion about the new console that was released a few days ago. He isn't a PR and he doesn't have to sugarcoat his opinion. Also It isn't his job or obligation to give us the detailed specs of the Wii U.
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AlucardFury  +   597d ago
He was specific about a component of a new console, the internet was set on flames and a representative had to come out and say the GPU was good to offset what the A4 employee had said. This isn't about fanboyism, its about giving half-assed information.......
AlucardFury  +   597d ago
He gave his opinion on the CPU, read slowly........ C.......P........U.....
Menashe  +   597d ago
He is not a fanboy therefore his opinion is automatically correct? That's a funny sort of logic.
TUGA  +   597d ago
@ AlucardFury That doesn't invalidate what i said.

@ Menashe There are no correct or wrong opinions. Opinions aren't universal facts. This developer might think that the Wii U cpu is underwhelming, others might think that Wii U cpu is more than enough. Neither of those opinions is wrong/correct.
wiiulee  +   597d ago
it obviously doesnt..the developers clarify that...and besides..they will be able to get it up and running at full speed once they get use to the system..but haters will hate....in either case i fully expect wiiu to win next generation base on innovation and games alone
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Grimhammer00  +   597d ago
CPU is vastly more important than GPU.
And Dice dev today collaborated Metro devs statement. So it's safe to say its legit.
chcolatesnw  +   597d ago
i agree. gpu's have to rely on cpu to manage the streams of data. everything passes through cpu multiple times. if you have weak cpu then you can have a tri sli 690's in there and they'll perform the same as a gt640. ram also is very important. bad ram means bad performance all together. gpu comes after.
liljimmy  +   597d ago
u cant do tri 690 u can only can have two in sli and none of the system are coming with a gpu thats going to be anywhere close to a gtx 570 for that matter.
fatstarr  +   596d ago
and secondly you cant compare console hardware to PCs

wtf is the cpu on a gaming console doing all day.

meanwhile the pc is running the os and tasks and programs
a pc cpu has infinitely more things to do.

ps3 = good cpu shit gpu
xbox = decent cpu decent gpu

look at the results, buy your logic the ps3 should be infinitely better than the 360 just based alone off of having a good cpu but thats not the case.
chcolatesnw  +   596d ago
@liljimmy - i was using trimsli 690's as an example, an exaggeration to prove a point

@fatstarr - you are wrong. First of all you are talking about cpu idling during non gaming tasks. Of course its not doing much when its sitting on dashboard. But in game its always 100% load. Whether that 100% is used well by dev is another story. Why would you even mention that cpu is doing nothing all day on a console when the conversation is about performance of hardware for games. Second, from what you said, since when is good infinitely better than decent (ps3 vs 360 cpu). You don't even seem to know what you are talking about. But yes, PS3 has better cpu, and that is shown with games like Uncharted, where the cpu takes the load off of gpu. And it seems you think i said that great cpu ok gpu is infinitely better than decent cpu decent gpu. I never said that, i said if you have good cpu then your gpu wont be limited. Again it can be seen in uncharted. And xbox cpu is more than decent. Just because it doesn't have 7 cores doesn't mean its decent as opposed to good. Architecture of xbox is a hell of a lot better than ps3, making it it the preferred choice for developing.
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metroid32  +   596d ago
No one said the wiiu cpu is less powerful just slower.
metroid32  +   597d ago
Both these devs havnt even seen the second dev kit let alone the final ones ? These verdicts were based on a very early look read the original source.
PopRocks359  +   597d ago
I saw that article. DICE didn't "collaborate" shit. A member of DICE said he had heard people in the industry who said the CPU was weak.

This means two things; the information he passed was based on someone else's experience, not his own. This also means that he may not have had any actual experience with the hardware itself.

This kind of misinformation is always what irks me the most about this community.

Oh by the way, THQ retracted the statement about the CPU, which of course the people who keep bashing the Wii U (and its owners) will surely ignore and disagree with this comment anyway. Here's the article.

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chadboban  +   597d ago
Sony fanboys answer: "Yes, yes it does."

Nintendo fanboys answer: "No, No it doesn't."

Sony Fanboys: *Glares at Nintendo Fanboys* "hurrrr"

Nintendo Fanboys: *Glares at Sony Fanboys* "durrrrr"


Me: *facepalm* "How did we come to this?"
StrawHatPatriot  +   597d ago
That wasn't very funny
chadboban  +   597d ago
I know it's not funny. I just wonder why we have to always argue over stupid shit instead of just enjoying gaming.
chadboban  +   597d ago
Actually the more I read it the more I realize that not only is it not funny, it's just a flat out terrible comment, probably the worst one I've ever made. I usually don't make bad comments like this. But hey, we all have our off days right.

What I'd give for a delete button right about now... :(
Picture_Dancer  +   597d ago
What about Xbox fanboys? :/
Shnazzyone  +   597d ago
I wish nintendo would just release the specs so we can all see it's a tricore 3.3ghz processor and everyone can shut up and pretend like they never thought it less powerful than the ps3 already.

I like how everyone is ignoring it's already got more ram then either systems and the gpu blows both of the other consoles out of the water.
scissor_runner  +   597d ago
The problem is a cell like issue. No one has coded for a mass produced gpgpu like this. There is a lot of new stuff in this puppy. Sony will have similar problems if they use a apu setup. In the end it will be a good thing.

It is easy enough to port 360 code yet complicated enough to leverage future coding principles. I've never seen developers pulled kicking a scream do bad into new tech. This is the opposite of the 16 bit days or maybe fanboys are just worst.
Heavenly King  +   597d ago
the can not do that because people will realize that the specs are quite outdated.

If nintendo had nothing to fear, they would release the specs to shut everyone up, and to convince some tech lover to buy their console.
MsmackyM  +   597d ago
like it or not Nintendo is in competition with Sony and Microsoft, with both companies having yet to even announce their consoles, it makes sense for Nintendo to keep some of their cards close to their chest. After all we all know how Microsoft and Sony loves to copy Nintendo.
liljimmy  +   597d ago
really it comes down to programming and if they want the game to be cpu or gpu depended. ask anyone that builds gaming rigs if they get better fps by upgrading there cpu or gpu. i have a i7 950 Cpu in my rig with a gtx 670 and if u compare that in a benchmark with a new 1000 cpu the gains are very minimum. now if your running a sli setup then you'll see better gains when it comes to fps. when its all said and done if they make the games more gpu depended then the wii u will look good. facts are facts do a little bit of research and u will see what im talking about.
crinale  +   597d ago
I think the current situation is the backlash of the optimistic assumptions that WiiU was supposed to steamroll PS360 performance wise in ALL aspects.
RFornillos4  +   597d ago
the real reason devs find it easier to code for xbox360, is that the architecture closely resembles that of the PC. and like it or not, the PC architecture is generally "multi-purpose". so if you're a sloppy programmer it doesn't matter how de-optimized your code is, a faster machine can always handle it. it's a different story for consoles. you're stuck with the hardware for the next 5-7 years, and you have to do with what the machine offers.

here's the thing, early on devs were having trouble developing for PS3 given it's architecture. Six years have passed, and now we have spectacular games utilizing the hardware's capability, as devs eventually worked around the difficulties of the machine, now you have Uncharted, God Of War, etc. Games that are undeniably very good.

fast forward to the present, we have Wii U. similar to the case of the PS3, the CPU is underclocked, thus slower than Xbox 360 and even the PS3, but has a remarkable GPGPU component. And by the way, it was mentioned that Nintendo opted to underclock the CPU, perhaps for reasons of hardware efficiency. the main difference here is that, when compared to the PS3, devs have already mentioned how easy it is code on the Wii U and how they were able to port the game easily in terms of running it. in short, come 2-3 years we can expect devs to work around the CPU issue, and have similarly amazing games.

now there's the factor of the nextbox and ps4 obviously being more powerful than the wii u with the rumored 8GB RAM alone. but again, as development costs get too high, Wii U will become the fallback hardware for more devs. and if Wii U sales are good, you can expect devs would not be turning a blind eye to a potential market, so 3rd party support will be there. with it's revised management of eShop, going steam-like, indie devs are also having more interest to work on Wii U or include Wii U in their projects.
madjedi  +   597d ago

And do you think devs will also ignore a 140-160+ million ps3 and 360 install base, if the wii u is more powerful than the current gens it isn't a night and day difference.

Yeah till the games are account tied like psn and marketplace, no one will touch nintendo's digital store. Seriously hilarious how backwards nintendo is on that. But that is what you get for essentially ignoring online gaming for 2 gens.

So other than epic's saber rattling to promote the use of their middleware tools, got any real proof that dev costs will get too high next gen.
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RFornillos4  +   597d ago
first of all, i NEVER said that devs will ignore the PS3 and 360 install base, nor did I mention that the Wii U is significantly more powerful than the current gens. in fact, I did mention that the Wii U has been known to be underclocked compared to the two. the statement you quoted above, is referring to games for PS4 and 720. note that it is not guaranteed that a current PS3 user will automatically be a PS4 user. nevertheless, what I meant was the in the future, more and more games will be multiplatform and yes will include the Wii U.

as for Nintendo's digital store. obviously they made a mistake with the old Wiiware Shop, which is why Nintendo is making amends with the new eShop, and the change process is continuous, so naturally you can expect some hiccups along the way (it's not as if Sony and Microsoft got it perfect the first time). on the contrary, Nintendo is gaining interest of more indie devs, because of the steam-like guidelines they are implementing. Devs are free to set the price for their products (abiding certain guidelines), offer unlimited number of patches and/or DLC's without paying Nintendo. Nintendo is learning.

if you don't believe that dev costs are getting high, then its up to you. but expect that prices for games for the nextbox and ps4 to be around $70-$80, $65 the least.
Shok  +   597d ago
1 aspect, of one component, and people are judging it's power lol:

PopRocks359  +   597d ago
All the hate is based on THQ's one comment. Which they later retracted. http://www.destructoid.com/...

Yeah, they'll bring up DICE, but the guy at DICE said it based on what he had heard, not because he himself had any idea what the hardware was all about.
PygmelionHunter  +   597d ago
Dude, Xenoblade music, awesome.

Seriously, I can't believe you had to upload a whole 11 minutes video just to explain that to trolls, even though I'm sure you realize that it's not gonna change much, at this point, we should just wait to see what Nintendo is cooking up, because, by then, the comments around here are gonna be priceless.
PirateThom  +   596d ago
That's not funny.

1 component is enough to bottleneck a system.

Look at the split RAM on the PS3. Same RAM as the 360, but a lot of developers found it awkward to use.

This isn't some minor component either, it's the damn CPU!
madjedi  +   597d ago
So what happened to the powerful next gen nintendo console, that we heard all year round was going to destroy the ps3/360 according to nintendo fans.

It's supposed to be a next gen console, not a current gen one with very slightly better hardware. Nintendo cheaped out on hardware yet again, shocker.

Chronologically it's a weak current gen system posing as a next gen system. The ps3/360 are also weaker, but the difference they were released at the beginning of their gen, not at the end of it.

But only nintendo gamers, appreciate good games or at least that's the bullshit some of them on n4g try to feed you. If you dare question nintendo's hardware choices.


Yeah apparently the author wasn't paying any attention whatsoever this gen, who are the ones that seriously pushed the ps3 and 360 hardware predominantly 3rd party developers. No foolish it was 1st party/exclusive devs.

No one short of nintendo devs will put forth the extra effort required.

For faithful nintendo fans, no it has more than enough power, for everyone else it's a stop gap or supped up current gen targeted at casuals/ipad users.

I do love the spin attempt by nintendo posters, acting like this is alien technology like the cell was in 2005-2006.

I would buy 1 system day one, that is the ps4, no other manufacturer has been as consistent in focusing on catering to it's core market(actual gamers) then sony has.

For every hater there is a blind defender ignoring any valid criticism of the system.
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MasterCratosKong66  +   597d ago
Nintendo, just like every company that has ever run a business, deserves criticism. But you call yourself an actual gamer based on what criterion? You just show that you don't understand the segments within the video game market at all. Whatever false sense of superiority you have developed over other people who play games is illogical. It is okay to have a preference, but you probably shouldn't speak for anyone but yourself.
millzy102  +   596d ago
third parties will stick but I'm getting a ps4 and have a ps3 aswell so not relay bothered. can't people grow up.
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TheDivine  +   597d ago
It may mean like the ps3 that multis will be ok but exclusivew built for it will be mind blowing if done right. Its def not a big leap though. The ram is good but slow if the rumors are true. Just seems odd tbh. Why not get faster ram for a few bucks more and even a cheap ass cpu would outclass the ps360s. If N spent 10 bucks more it seems it wouldve gone a long way. Hopefully the gpu is good though. Id rather have a good gpu and bad cpu than good cpu and bad gpu. In the end thoughbi think N delivered a good console, great controller, and for an affordable price. Its a steal for 300 especially w the tablet controller.
NYC_Gamer  +   597d ago
Wii-U is right there with the PS3/360.The hardware inside the Wii-U should have been better since it's supposed to be next gen..Nintendo might have put themselves in a tight spot again with 3rd party since developers will wanna make use of the PS4/720 horsepower..
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MsmackyM  +   597d ago
why didn't Nintendo go hogwild on the on the CPU, because they didn't need to. There ace card it's the GPCPU. And unless Microsoft and Sony bring innovation instead of just better graphics my multiplatform of choice is going to be my PC.
Schawk  +   597d ago
Anybody can stick a pile of top quality components in a box and play games its called a pc, you dont need sony or microsoft to do that for you.
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Munnkyman  +   597d ago
This is a quote from a guy from trine 2 about wii u,The Wii U version of Trine 2 is set to include a bunch of additional content that isn't planned for the current consoles, such as the Goblin Menace expansion, previously only released on Steam. “Basically that does require... well, not huge amounts more graphics processing power, but still considerably. If we would publish that on the other consoles, then I believe that there would be some small downscaling of what it is right now.”

I think the wii u will have better looking games then this generation. But will be weaker then of course whatever console comes out next.

dubal-e  +   597d ago
Good article. People will hate on this system because of their loyalty to another system. The fanboy loyalty isn't necessary a bad thing its over the top hate for other systems thats the bad part.
artdafoo  +   596d ago
Would you buy a Ferrari with a 140 horespower 4 cylinder engine ?
millzy102  +   596d ago
no I can't drive i can play games though
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Thepcz  +   596d ago
we'l know how next gen wiiu is when nintendo and 2nd party devs release their 'big' games. if they look no better than uncharted 3, we can safely say wiiu is not next gen hardware.

until then, people should quit using cod as a rule for how powerful wiiu is... cod on wiiu is a port. a port that hasn't even been optimized.

thats like the wiiu getting a port straight from the snes, with no changes made to it, and people saying the wiiu is not better than a snes :l its simply a port.

wait for the real 'blockbuster' wiiu exclusive games at least

all pointless hardware bickering aside, people need to realise wiiu is a 'concept console' not a specs showcase console. ie, wiius true strenth is in the concept, just like the original wii. a console like the ps3 was a purely spec/tech driven machine.

whos to say sony will go the same route again when the ps3 and vita have not been as successful as they would have liked?
GameLord08  +   596d ago
Guys... remember the Wii U has a GPGPU? Completely new hardware for a console, and one that developers haven't learnt to utilise in conjunction to a system yet? Just sayin'.
Firebird360  +   596d ago
I dont understand why it matters anyway. So it's not a mega powerhouse, it's still got amazing potential, it's powerful enough to run games in HD at 60 frames at1080p. That's amazing if you ask me, that combined with some of the very best first party games to ever be built and the fact that the gamepad is awesome and not just some gimmick. Im totally pumped for its future.
TheBardsSong  +   596d ago
You know what else had a "horrible, slow CPU"? The Super Nintendo. Look at how that turned out.
metroidfusion2  +   596d ago
So many dumbass people in the comments the wii u will improve just like any other comsole duh its best will be later the same for any other console damn just wait and stop hating and the wii u already has 9 or 10 native 1080p and 60fps games as of now and there will be 90+ games by the end of march with more to still be announced so 100 games or more by the end of march is very possible and obviously that is a lot of games and I'm sure more native 1080p and 60fps games will be coming

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