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User avatar #3 - yologdog (10/16/2013) [-]
No she doesn't.

Rock star chicks who do the same thing as Rock star guys aren't really considered sluts. They're usually considered badass and hot by the people who listen to them. It's because the soul of Rock and Roll is Rebellion. What's the soul of Pop? To make good music. Therefore she has very few excuses except for being a slut.
#88 to #3 - anonymous (10/17/2013) [-]
people misuse the terms Slut and Whore very often.. A lot of people who I see using those words speak as if they don't know what they mean, strange fashion sense aside, she's actually a very nice lady
User avatar #78 to #3 - Harkonnen (10/17/2013) [-]
correction, to make catchy music
#56 to #3 - vampireturk (10/17/2013) [-]
So we have an artist that makes whatever kind of music that she wants, that dresses in a highly non-conventional way that a lot of people hate her for (OMG she wore a odd hat! SHUNNNN SHUNNN THE POSER) and that not rebellious?
User avatar #59 to #56 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
Not in any major sense. She doesn't outright tell society to **** itself through her music.

So in your sense, you're right. She is rebellious for a Pop star. But if she wants to sing Pop then we hold her to Popular standards. Punny but true.

The fact is, if Federica de Boni went on stage wearing absoutaly nothing and starting singing metal while bleeding out her pussy because she doesn't have a tampon in people would cheer her on like the badass she is. Why? because the soul of metal is essentially " **** you all, I don't care." and the fanbase she sings to is " **** you all, I don't care."

If Lady Gaga were to do that, her fanbase would probably be disgusted (except for the feminists). Because the soul of pop is essentially "what is popular today." And her fans won't view that as "what is popular today."

She has a good head on her shoulders, She played the rise of the internet like a boss to get to where she is. She really could be the next queen of pop. But she can't uphold the beliefs of rock and metal while trying to make pop music for the average pop listener or the average pop listener will move on to someone new.
User avatar #104 to #59 - TarnRazor (10/17/2013) [-]
Rock's "soul" isn't to be rebellious. What you're looking for is punk.
User avatar #110 to #104 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
Elvis was pretty rebellious for his time period. Parents hated how the beatles made their daughters Vaginies tickle.

True that normal rock is nowadays considered "acceptable" by society. But the main genre's that split off of Rock n Roll still hold that " **** you society" rebellious streak it's parent had.

That's why Metal or punk bands can be still be considered "Rockstars" even if "Rock" isn't always in the genre name.

And another thing, why are you coming into a topic with an obvious widespread view of rock and pop and nitpicking into specific genres?
User avatar #112 to #110 - TarnRazor (10/17/2013) [-]
You gave me one example, Elvis. The Beatles example can be seen as how girls feel about One Direction today. Rock wasn't unaccepted by society and not everybody who was in a rock band, popular or not, advocated the rebellious **** you attitude.
User avatar #120 to #112 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
Rock music was band from radio airwaves until the 60's. The BBC STILL bands a lot of rack songs. And whatever they did symbolize at the time, overtime, Rebellion is what Rockstars began to symbolize. Go read a ******* wikipedia article. And No Nitpicking! We'll be here all night if you want to debate specifics for every detail of the rebellious side of the history of rock and roll.
So I will leave you with a few names and then leave for work.

Iron maiden
The Stranglers
Sex Pistols and/or Johnny Rotten
Kurt Cobain
do a google search on "most rebellious bands of all time" and you will get all the specific examples you could ever want from any time period 1950-2012.
User avatar #95 to #59 - sanguinesolitude (10/17/2013) [-]
Well as far as rebellion goes Lady Gaga does seem pretty rebellious. Not only fashionwise, but she makes her own style music, writes her own songs taking shots at politics religion and anti-gay people, she does a ton of charity work, etc.

I dont really listen to her music, but i respect her as an artist. One of the few "pop" stars that I do respect currently out there.
#44 to #3 - fecal (10/17/2013) [-]
the soul of pop is commerce
User avatar #39 to #3 - admiralen (10/17/2013) [-]
shes not a rockstar though, shes a wannabe artist, she can make cool **** but she acts like such a spaz it doesnt make up for it
User avatar #35 to #3 - Kairyuka (10/17/2013) [-]
Pop is about making popular music.
User avatar #111 to #35 - ragingcacti (10/17/2013) [-]
Its almost as though Pop was short for Popular
User avatar #113 to #111 - Kairyuka (10/17/2013) [-]
Yup, it is. And I like some pop. I just don't like a lot of it because it lacks sincerity.
User avatar #114 to #113 - ragingcacti (10/17/2013) [-]
A lot does, but some others do. Some make the music in the pop for for more sales, scrubbing it so that it is as unoffensive as possible. Others make music like that because they like the style, and use it to its potential.
User avatar #117 to #114 - Kairyuka (10/17/2013) [-]
Yup and I'm fully aware of that. Queen has kinda done it, Poets of the Fall kinda does it, Steam Powered Giraffe is also pop, although strange pop, but most of all I love it when it's with real instruments since I really dislike fully electronic music. Also I did like Michael Jackson too c:
User avatar #15 to #3 - destaice (10/17/2013) [-]
So the difference between Rock and Pop is that if you're nude in the video, you're either a badass rebel or a slut.

Yeah...no. If you're a slut, you're a slut. Regardless of what music you make.
#14 to #3 - mayoroftownsville (10/17/2013) [-]
Why not both?
User avatar #11 to #3 - trystanvierra (10/17/2013) [-]
Pop isn't even about making good music...
User avatar #17 to #11 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
Micheal Jackson made pretty good music.
#21 to #17 - jubajubejiblets ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
Yeah, but he was one of the few to bring sophistication and great musicianship to it. I like Lady Gaga, but she (and most if not all electro pop) doesn't really compare.
User avatar #22 to #21 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
It's not like she doesn't have a great mind. She played the growing internet age like a badass to get to where she is now.

She could be remembered as a queen of pop if she stopped generically stripping every video and started singing about **** that will last past her fame. She already has a getup (different crazy costume every appearance.) and people already steal some of her style, but she's the original and people know that. They respect that. Personally I think she's a few great Songs away from lasting fame but a long way from immortality.
#24 to #22 - jubajubejiblets ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
Yeah, but I'm talking about the actual music and the way it's composed, not the external stuff you would use to sell it. Shes probably gonna fade out like Britney Spears or Madonna. I just don't think her songs have that quality that would make them timeless and stand on their own.
User avatar #25 to #24 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
Probably. But I would rather her not to fade out. She happens to be the female pop horse I'm rooting for, I would hate if someone like kesha or worse came along and stole the title.
#26 to #25 - jubajubejiblets ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
I'm with you there. Although, Adele is one I think is more likely to have lasting longevity. It's just her and a band with nothing else. She sounds pretty unique compared to the other A-list pop-stars out there too.
User avatar #27 to #26 - yologdog (10/17/2013) [-]
So long as it's not some spoiled bitch who sings about taking their top off and getting ********* as a sign of strength. Seriously, young ladies have enough hormonal and relationship **** to worry about without hearing their "idols" on every radio station saying "He'll love you if you **** him" over their shoulder.
User avatar #8 to #3 - SaucyBoy (10/16/2013) [-]
Shut up faggot
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