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-perpetuating leadership. virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when you get someone elected who actually is open to change and dialogue on some of these issues, on the all male celibate priesthood, if not on women priests. birth control is kind of a separate issue. the church ares until this contraception fight over the obama plan, really hasn't preached very much about it. it's not only the faithful who let it go. it's really the church itself who sort of accept that. there just aren't a lot of catholic families of 12 kids anymore in most of the west, and increasingly, not in the third world either. >> e.j., i want to bring in our panel here in new yor


the senate took up that same bill and even though it was hand-crafted by john boehner, eric cantor, and paul ryan, minority leader mitch mcconnell and 32 other republican senators opposed it. mcconnell's office released a statement saying leader mcconnell and other senate republicans had several amendments aimed forcing washington to cut government spending, but all were defeated by democrats. as a result, the leader simply couldn't support the bill. the word on capitol hill is that mcconnell's no vote was meant to appease his unruly kentucky constituents. perhaps angered over mcconnell's compromise on the fiscal cliff made last month with vice president joe biden. that deal averted a potential downgrade of america's credit rating. speaker boehner's bill to extend the debt limit did much the same, but for the extreme right wing flank of the gop, supporting two bills to prevent possibly catastrophic damage to the u.s. economy is perhaps one bill too far. glen, we talk a lot about the tunnel that ends in heart break that the gop may or may not be hurdling down, but these votes lately on the hi

vote on john brennan as cia director is going to be held in the last week of february. dianne feinstein says they are awaiting more drone memos from the white house. ran paul is leading the charge on this. he says i'm going to object in any way we can until we find out whether or not the head of the cia claims the authority to kill americans without a trial with a drone in america. >> which is an amazing thing for a conservative republican senator to be saying. to making an unimaginably soft on military power left wing argument against john brennan and drones. you wonder what his fellow members of the republican caucus are saying about or to rand paul. dude, you know, we like drones. we like killing people. >> i don't think rand paul does too much working with the caucus sounds like. i think that's the issue. >> you know, maggie, a lot of people think it's premature for us to be talking about 2016. rand paul is going to be a serious issue for the republican party not just because he is giving a post-buttle -- post-buttle to the rebuttal -- so many buttales -- but because he is very cons

shoot for the moon in some others. with respect to what paul ryan said, from my understanding, this white house will say, look, we tried direct negotiations in washington with john boehner twice. it blew up each time. >> meanwhile, john boehner does not think the president has the guts to get it done which smacks, i'll say, of irony. unfortunately, we have to leave it there. and the swami is leaving the set. >> you and your nicknames. >> chuck todd. this is my bipartisan, like george h.w. bush's nickname for the press. i don't think the swami is a particularly bad one. >> that's okay, but that's chris berman. >> and inside of espn which is -- >> well, on twitter -- >> this is what happens when you have too many titles, chuck. >> or too many hats. >> that's the title, self-referencing. chuck, thank you as always for your time and expertise. >> look at your mugs. >> to "time" company to polar spring, marco rubio is the man of the message. not much is done about the message. we will weigh sasavior versus s. crème. stop yelling. you stop yelling. [ whispering ] both of you stop y

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