EVG 9 Page 11 hear. But we were kind of like a triad, or triangle. We worked together closely. Art had no particular opinions against hunting and fishing. Really, they were the people who would come and tell us what was going on in the Everglades. The deer [population] had shrunk down to it is almost nothing now. There were 8,000 deer [in] Area 3 at one time, and bad water management has killed them. But they were only an indicator, and this is something Art was telling me about. He was talking about the canary in the mine. He said, you take a system, and you watch little things that depend on the environment. Birds. You know, the birds disappear I got a little nest right outside my window here - but [there] used to be lots of nests around here, all over the place, but they are gone. Silent Spring by Rachel Carson, do you remember that book? Silent Spring was a book about the indicators, you know, the dying of the birds, and that is what we are talking about here. All this stuff is tied together. There are indicators which Art knew about. He could look at a lake and around the edge of the lake. He could look at the trees growing around the edge of a wetland or lake, and he could tell you what condition that lake was in simply by looking at the trees, looking at the leaves. We were out in the [West Palm Beach] water catchment area together, and I wanted to show him what a beautiful marsh we had there. It is part of the supply of water for West Palm Beach. They had been holding the water extra high in there, trying to get more supply. Art said, this system is in trouble. I said, how do you know? He said, look at the palm fronds up there; do you see the yellow in them? The beginnings turned yellow in the palm fronds; right where they come out of the frond, at the base of it you can see where it goes out, the base is turning yellow in there; that means there is too much water in the system. It has not killed the tree, but it will kill the tree over a period of time if the water level is left too high. And he was absolutely correct. We have lowered it now, and it is in pretty good shape. Let us go back to where we met to discuss all these things. I have to explain what we are talking about, and that is what I have been trying to do. Well, we got this thing developed, and Marjory was absolutely ecstatic. She was so happy with what we had done, and everybody there was in agreement with what was in the Marshall Plan. Marjory said, Art, I will have it printed up in book form, and I will pay for it. So then, Susan Wilson, who was working with all of us she really is part of our family of environmental leaders; she does not lead anything anymore, but she did she was a Ph.D., and she [still] works at [one of] the universities [in Miami]. She agreed to take the rough draft and put it in formal draft. Then Marjory took that and had it printed out in book form, a little green book. Well, it was a wonderful book, but if nobody reads it, it does not do a damn bit of good, and the truth is nobody would read it. We could not get anybody to look at what was going on. G: Why do you think that was? J: No interest. People get lackadaisical. They really do not notice what is happening around them. The earth underneath their feet is dying, and they do not know it. That is what is happening here where I live. It is dying. We are sitting in the middle of Hungerland Slough. This is a slough where you are sitting. You cannot tell it. It has been destroyed