Immigration reform

This time, it’s different

An election drubbing changes minds

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Yourassisbig in reply to IvanKaramazov

Illegal immigrants don't need rights, they do all the jobs no one wants to do.

Legal immigrants, be honest, if they are smart, they can invent something and go any where they wants to. Jobs? nah, we don't even have enough to provide for our own.

True_North in reply to Brian Pelican

2% majority is a squeaker? What do you call it when a candidate loses the popular vote and has the courts hand him the presidency?
And America has got to the only Western democracy where a cogressional/parliamentary party can get out-voted by half a million or more votes and still get a significant plurality of seats. Even with the epidemic of corruption in India, it doesn't have gerrymandering like the US does. When will states in the USA get real independent electoral commissions to draw up district boundaries?
America needs a real centre-right party. Unfortunately, it's not the GOP. Honest conservatives don't run with vague platforms. They make solid promises on what they'll cut and follow through with them. They also don't play politics for the sake of it (like with the fiscal cliff). They prize responsible governance above all else. They also don't cut taxes just to hand out breaks, if they risk putting the budget into deficit (like Bush Jr. did or Paul Ryan proposed with his "mathematically impossible" budget plans). The Tea Party offered some hope of fiscal sanity. Unfortunately, they got hijacked by Koch brothers and aligned themselves with the religious right, turning out candidates that are far from rational conservatives. At least they're honest about their desire to gut the social safety net. The rest of the GOP is screaming for cuts, but have put forward scant little on what they want to cut. I've been looking for the GOP platform on cuts. Haven't found it yet.
No Democrat will have to gloat. If the GOP continues on its current path, it will prove to be its own worst enemy for a long time to come. And that's sad for America.


Why is it that when illegals are mentioned Hispanics are mentioned in the same sentence? Not all illegals are Hispanic and not all Hispanics are illegal, the government needs to get over this stereotype. It extremely misleading, this assimilation need to stop being made, it's ignorant

GeneRalno in reply to femi

I've been retired for years, live comfortably and have plenty of time to refute moronic views, fend off the usual democrat smears and present the case for smaller government, smaller debt, smaller taxes, smaller entitlements and less regulation. Because your only points seem to be of the democrat "talking" kind, I'm guessing you're not fully cooked yet. I'd guess you don't have much of a life and need entitlements to live. I understand why you want to give your money to someone who didn't earn it because you have so little to give. But I don't understand why you want me to give your friends my money? Speaking of questions, they're piling up and you seem to have no answers. Have a nice weekend.

GeneRalno in reply to femi

Never touched the stuff. That's a vice for socialists who don't work for a living. BTW, you never answered the first question: Would you open the border to everyone or just to Mexico. Amnesty for everyone? DREAM for everyone? Yawn. Since your side won, you get to make the rules while the conservative side gets to walk away. I guess we can close this subject unless you have answers or suggestions.

GeneRalno in reply to femi

Holy cow. You actually looked it up. But you're being stupid again. You brought up indigenous peoples but don't want to admit the Solutreans came 20,000 years before the famous Asian migrants. And you probably haven't yet had time to Google the fact that far more Clovis points have been found in the New England area than in the Southwest. Of course none of that has anything to do with this subject. Let me make it real simple for you. You won the election. And now you act like the puppy that caught the car. You want to blame the carnage on the ones who told you not to do it. Distract and squirm but it won't work. Whatever happens from now on is your fault. The conservatives are resigned to the loss and most will watch and yawn. Enjoy what you and your socialist pals did.

GeneRalno in reply to femi

Oh good grief, are you still here? Don't you tire of continually whining? You've not clarified your position. You don't know what you're talking about (Solutreans). You've not explained whether you'd open the border to everyone. You simply stand in your mommy's basement and screech. I'll give you this. The GOP is going down, fast. And if it goes along with the socialists again, it won't make any difference because it will have become totally ineffective. By that time all the men will be gone, most of the wealth will be gone and the nation will drift, wondering how it will pay the entitled.

GeneRalno in reply to femi

Hoo boy, you're more resilient than the average idiot. I have a couple of questions. First, precisely who are those indigenous people to whom the evil immigrants should give the land? Secondly, since nobody originated in North America, should not the indigenous people pass that land on to...hmmm...let's see now, perhaps God? At least you exposed yourself with the term "trumped up constitutional right" as a miserable lover of either communism or despotism. Either way, you're clearly a democrat, fairly representative of others in your party.

femi in reply to Leon Haller

The entire population of the USA except the so called 'Latinos' and Amerindians are the real illegal immigrants. Get that straight.
Most black people perhaps we can excuse , as they were brought against their will.

femi in reply to NM156

You win nothing. This contest you can never win. Throw in the towel whilst you are still alive , and give yourselves at least a modicum of some chance of survival, but, again , you will never win. That much is clear. This flailing and frothing at the mouth are clearly the signs of the panic of desperate bigots who simply cannot bear to face the reality of the end of their delusions.

GeneRalno in reply to femi

The indigenous people? Real natives? Ever hear of the Solutreans? I thought not. You're obviously brainwashed and ignorant, unable to comprehend The Constitution or any other law. But my point was you and your socialist pals won the election and now must deal with the results. America is experiencing a river of wealth rushing to protected coffers, much of which is to friendlier nations. America risks becoming the same kind of illiterate sewer that accurately characterizes Mexico. I wonder if you'd open the border to everyone -- or just to Mexico. Hmmm... My best guess is you're just another fat liberal voting for the entitlements while they're still available. Flutter that.

notime4bs in reply to VAengineer

If any party has been "dropping their moral principles" in order to pander to votes its the Democrats: their loose immigration policy to get he Hispanic vote, their stance on abortion to get the not-so-real women's vote, support gay marriage to capture a few gay votes, bailouts to keep the bankers happy,etc.

Alexander A in reply to David USA

You don't need to go that far in securing the border. Certainly it is not necessary to fire upon un-armed civilians. I mean that would likely halt the arrival of migrants to around 0, but I would be fine with having less drastic measures even if, say, 50,000 or so could get through every year. It is not necessary for it to be air-tight, merely to substantially alter the likelihood of getting through, which should prevent people from coming here in the first place.

I don't think the documentation side of things is that harsh. Just bring proper ID and employers should check, quite simple. Republicans are fine with government doing some things, such as national security. Securing our nations borders is a large part of national security, so I don't think Republicans would have a problem here, they're not against government just government in certain spheres, national security is not one of them.


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