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They're going in reverse...
By Scrogneugneu on 10/5/2006 1:02:50 AM , Rating: 5
The whole industry is converging into power savings. CPU now consume less power, we talk about having solid-state hard drive to have faster, but also much less energy hungry drives, we want to get the systems everywhere and we want the to be silent, we want laptops that won't burn the user if the laptop sits on the lap...

But here they are, with a monster, requiring an incredible amount of power to run. And it can be used in double mode. What are they thinking? Performance is not the only factor. I want a system which will be almost silent, so I can still hear what happens around. Water cooling? Yeah... as if it's a good news it's now required if you want to keep the card cool enough.

It's really a shame. I won't be looking for these. They're like Prescotts, but with a higher price tag and an integrated water cooling mecanism. Someone would like to test that kind of system? An OC Prescott with 2 of those beasts inside. Just watch the heat / electricity bill jump.

The performance has to be astonishing compared to competition, given the drawbacks. If it's not, then I guess NVidia won't make much money this round with the ultra high-end...

RE: They're going in reverse...
By Ringold on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
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By Dactyl on 10/5/2006 1:52:28 AM , Rating: 1
Gamers who only run 1 computer/1 graphics card don't care about performance per watt.

If I had to run 100 computers, I would care about performance per watt.

Therefore: gamers won't care about performance per watt until NVidia releases an SLI system with 100 GPUs.

RE: They're going in reverse...
By Jkm3141 on 10/9/2006 8:42:04 PM , Rating: 2
and 80% of people in car accidents ate carrots in the week preceeding the accident so therefor carrots must cause car accidents? No. Gamers will never care so much about Performance per watt. The places that it accually matters are in businesses where there are hundreds of computers (hence a hundred times the power consumption of one computer) or servers where they have to be online 24/7 and stable and cannot overheat. Believe it or not power does cost money, granted 1 computer doesnt cost much but it adds up when u have a lot of computers. To the avarage gamer though, performane per watt is a waste of peoples time. People go on a rant about the Performance per watt of their CPU or GPU, but then proceed to put 2 or 4 GPU's in their computers. Way to go.

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By Scrogneugneu on 10/6/2006 1:26:33 AM , Rating: 2
there are still people with brains AND money and they're with you!

Should have been

there are still people with dead brains AND too much money and they're with you!

RE: They're going in reverse...
By Pirks on 10/6/2006 2:24:30 PM , Rating: 1
envy is a bad thing - if you don't have money to afford G80 - go cry and call your mommy or something - crying here just makes other people annoyed. thank you.

RE: They're going in reverse...
By Kim Leo on 10/11/2006 6:03:38 AM , Rating: 2
hmm ok pirks, so you are the smart one with money? wow well i'm convinced. you have proven you are "sooo smart";)..

not everybody lives at home and don't have to pay theyre electricity bill themselves.. i like the performance per watt, and i like the idea of my system being quiet when i'm not using it(C&Q), and even if i did win the lottery or got a job that payd good money, i would still go out and buy something energy efficient and smart system.

RE: They're going in reverse...
By Pirks on 10/11/2006 2:42:56 PM , Rating: 1
the problem is not with you Kim or anyone who likes SFF stuff which is quiet and slow (slow compared to high end of course) - the problem is with downmodding el cheapos here who think that if G80 was not designed for THEM cheap SFF lovers then they have right to downmod ANYONE who even THINKS about SFF being not The Best Thing Since Sliced Bread. I just laugh at those idiots.

those who own SFF and also KNOW that G80 is not for them at all, because IT WAS NOT DESIGNED for SFF, absolutely - these guys are normal and don't downmod people who say G80 is just that - a pilot DX10 card which is designed for high end 1337 boxes, just this and nothing more.

see, Kim, it's not being me smart and rich (whish is not true btw ;) it's those clowns being cheap and dumb as a wood. they can downmod me and Ringold for what they want I don't care - this, unfortunately, won't help their poor little brains to understand some important things about G80 I and Ringold were talking about. they're such sad people, just leave them poor souls alone ;)

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Is this where we're going?
By keitaro on 10/5/2006 2:29:24 AM , Rating: 3
It's mentioned already how power-hungry this bad boy will be. But is this really the direction we're going for 3D performance?

We all know that as technology advances, the process of producing these chips become cheaper (due to better fabrication process) and the products themselves become smaller. It'll also generate less heat and consume less energy should the chip be tweaked to be more efficient. This is all commonly true in most respect. Yet I cannot help but wonder... is this really true?

In the Pentium era, the most we ever need was probably a 100W(??) power supply. We're now at an era where we need 300W to 500W just to power some of our stuff. The video cards keep getting more and more power hungry. But is it getting any more efficient at using these power?

Intel's move to be more energy efficient is long overdue and their Core 2 designs show that they have succeeded in making the processor more powerful but without the need of being power hungry or dissipate a lot of heat. I'm sure both NVIDIA and ATI do not have the luxury of doing that. But somehow I am starting to think that both need to look at how their product is designed and what they are aiming for.

I'm all for more 3D power as long as it isn't something requiring some insane configuration. But am I wrong to think that this is getting out of hand? It's understandable that there's an extreme market for high-end products. But what about those who have the money to spend but also spends wisely on what high-end products to buy?

My concerns on this and possibly all future 3D card products are how much more power are we going to need? I still feel it's crazy to have something like a 1 kilowatt power supply readily available at retail and e-tail. And I question if this is the direction computers should be heading towards.

The power requirement and power consumption of the G80 only makes me believe that somehow, in some form or another, console systems (ie. Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3) are better investment for gaming.

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RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Googer on 10/5/2006 9:02:11 AM , Rating: 2
I think you may be wrong.

The last thing I read about Vista is that the Looking Glass Aero interface will be using DX9 render the user interface.

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By nilepez on 10/5/2006 9:36:39 PM , Rating: 2
And yes once you have DX10 games you need a DX10 gfx card to play them, ie it becomes a requirement in a sense, and DX10 will only be available on vista.

Unfortunately, this statement is also incorrect. Crysis, for example, is a DX10 game. Just because a game has DX10 features, doesn't mean it can't run on DX9 hardware or that it's incompatible with DX9.

It's unlikely that DX10 will be required for ANY game for at least 2 years. Game companies aren't in the business of cutting out 90% more more of their potential customers.

RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/6/06, Rating: -1
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Dummies, I plurarlised! :)

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By Wwhat on 10/5/2006 1:33:59 PM , Rating: 3
Oh and no private individual likes to waste money, and no sensible person wants a computer that uses up 1000 Watts and gets hotter than a heater.

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By MrFluffo on 10/5/2006 4:01:35 PM , Rating: 3
I like to waste money.... on stuff i want.

RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/8/2006 12:46:48 PM , Rating: 1
If you want it is it a waste then? I sense selfrespect issues possibly O_o

RE: Is this where we're going?
By del on 10/6/2006 5:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm in total agreement too. I'm not going to use an SLI configuration for GeForce 8800 GTX... haha... I'm just going to go with the single card solution. Not to mention that there aren't many PC games being made these days; using a console
is a better option. Nevertheless, PC will always be the ultimate gaming platform in terms of performance.

Yes, and Winter's almost here
By rupaniii on 10/5/2006 1:01:18 AM , Rating: 4
This is great news. For $300, I can buy a great 1300watt psu and then spend the amount of money I would on a new heating system on these cards in SLI mode. I'm hoping they have a Quad Configuration as well because I need to exhaust the entire side of the case directly into my AC Ducts and I need the extra fan power to push it upstairs, and I want it to be as warm and toasty as possible. I may just have to put all silent heat sinks and setup a warning monitory system to generate EVEN MORE HEAT and then use an external exhaust fan to whiff it up into the house.

I am very happy that such technology can provide true comfort for the family room in the upstairs where we will stream video to for the family visits.
In the basement, where this will be, I may have to wear shorts to keep from sweating too much, but it will be worth it.

The Pentium 4 Extreme Edition doesn't, by itself, generate the amount of heat to warm more than an entire basement, but Intel Technology together with Nvidia push the Thermal Envelope to new heights, and I thank them, and my cat thanks the.

RE: Yes, and Winter's almost here
By nerdye on 10/5/06, Rating: 0
RE: Yes, and Winter's almost here
By Furen on 10/5/2006 1:42:28 AM , Rating: 1
You might wanna get a 4-way Paxville setup with that, lol.

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By GNStudios on 10/5/06, Rating: 0

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By shamgar03 on 10/5/06, Rating: 0
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By protosv on 10/5/06, Rating: 0
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By Trisped on 10/5/06, Rating: 0
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By vanka on 10/5/2006 2:30:25 PM , Rating: 2
Since you have decided to convert your PC into a heating appliance, I have a suggestion for you. You said that the P4EE doesn't generate enough heat to be effective as a house-wide heating unit, therefore making the purchase of two 8800GTXs necessary. Here's a suggestion, sell the P4EE on eBay and get a Pentium D 805; then clock it to about 4 GHz. This should solve your insufficient heat generation issue; note water cooling maybe necessary to keep the CPU stable and the 1300 watt PSU may not be enough. With the money you save on the 805 you will be able to get an AC unit.

RE: Yes, and Winter's almost here
By Arc4173c7 on 10/6/2006 12:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
Laughing Out Loud

I totally agree with you, winter is coming and this superb G80 with its super truper heat too, so forget to pay for a coal or gas... New era of heating devices is here.

Whats gonna be next? Well, Im really looking forward to DirectX 11 and quadro or more G90 with its power consumption about 10kW... graphics even based on 65nm!

Well, there might be extra graphic cards cases in the future, while computers are getting smaller, graphic cards are while increasing their performance, their size too. If this is logical rule, then dont wanna see them in the far-sighted future.)

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Interesting facts
By Chillin1248 on 10/5/2006 12:58:27 AM , Rating: 3
It seems that the rumor of 32 Pixel, 16 texture and 16 geometry shaders may be false. According to leaked tech documents on (taken down shortly after) it appears that it has Unified Shaders and is 384-Bit and features a watercooling/fan and a fan versions.

What is ironic is that the supposed pictures of the of the G80 that surfaced on the web recently do show 384-Bit memory configuration and a watercooling/fan hybrid version... So could the third part of the document stating USA (Unified Shader Architecture) be true?


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1st PSU for Mobo , Optical Drive , HDD
2nd PSU for GPU , Case Fan

problem sloved ... crossfire R600 and SLI G80 ready.


RE: Amperage?
Probobly 1/12th the power draw...

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LOL you missed that one


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Oh no.....!
By dude on 10/5/2006 4:12:23 AM , Rating: 5
Global Warming is going to hit an all time high in accelleration!

RE: Oh no.....!
By goku on 10/5/2006 5:24:58 AM , Rating: 3
Buy the G80 TODAY
Thats right, these video cards are massively powerful, unlike old cards these new cards now have the power to render the entire globe's forcast for global warming! We've finally got the processing power to predict the events and observe the process that will occur due to global warming!

The bad news is that these new graphics cards will likely be the cause of global warming.

RE: Oh no.....!
By Wwhat on 10/5/2006 7:32:30 AM , Rating: 1
Sign up for green power and you got that solved.
Over here they use managed forest for it, you grow trees they absorb co2, you burn them and the co2 remains the same for they release what they previously absorbed, then you grow new trees on the same place. and that's just one way of course, sure it costs a few percent more, but with the oilprices so high not that much more or possibly even less.

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Over twice? talk about being silly in exaggeration, ha.

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don't worry Wwhat, just read this and stay happy ;)

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Cool, thanks for the link.

exciting stuff comming

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Sweet apart from the vista part you mean.

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By Armorize on 10/5/2006 1:02:04 AM , Rating: 2
This pales in comparison to the r600
"R600 to clock at more than 700MHz
ATI's R600 will consume over 250W
ATI's R600 delayed until next year
ATI's R600 has 64 real pipes "

one way or another, it sounds like were going to have to build our own powerplants to run our machines lol, or say hello to a not so nice electric bill.

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By archcommus on 10/5/2006 12:46:25 AM , Rating: 3
I suppose a 400/450 W overall PSU requirement is not too bad, 300/350 is kind of out-dated for an enthusiast system now anyway. However, I wonder how many things you could run in that box alongside that card with only a 450 W PSU.

Hate to say it but I may be wanting to wait until the second-gen DX10 cards arrive, with designs more focused around power savings.

RE: Hmm
By soydios on 10/5/2006 12:50:56 AM , Rating: 2
Damn that's a beast of a card. I tremble to think of the power R600 will draw.

I'll be waiting until second-generation DX10 as well. My X1900XT is hot enough already.

It could be more useful.
By mindless1 on 10/5/2006 2:05:51 AM , Rating: 3
It would be nice if they just told us the power consumption per rail of the video card through the slot and the connector instead of trying to provide a not-entirely-useful PSU total wattage rating, particularly with the variables involved in current per rail and even accuracy of ratings on some PSU, particularly for sustained current which is all the more significant with a continual draw as when gaming.

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By Wwhat on 10/5/2006 7:41:22 AM , Rating: 2
Yes it's weird, and if you email manufacturers they claim they don't know the actual power, how hard is it to meassure a system with and without the card and see if your designers really have no clue? -which would be weird in the first place.

Well I won't be buying it...




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no 8050 version?

Interesting news anyway :)

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horrified, yes. but a question
I won't cover the large negative of the power draw.






11" is Nuts

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like really

personlly i'm not going to get one
not if it needs that much power
makes that much heat

it'll either be picked up by the enthusiests as normal
or be a very slow hit....

From bad to worst.
By Apprentic3 on 10/7/2006 2:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
After reading most of the post, I do feel that the graphic card industry is going haywire man. A single next gen graphic card will draw possibly, as much as the entire rig running on integrated graphics. Personally, I think I will still stick on to my current 7900GT and run WinXP. I'll go for a Mac for my next rig since it can dual boot, and that its graphically impressive and speedy, without the need for super high end components.

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just a quick Q.

-Total Noob About This Stuff.

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just kidding of course ;)

By JonMooring on 10/5/2006 12:50:25 AM , Rating: 1
800W? Wow. Glad I don't plan to run SLI anytime soon! I'm all set with my 500W PSU.

RE: Uhhh
By Hare on 10/7/2006 9:22:39 AM , Rating: 2
The specs are ridiculous. A X6800 + 7900GX2 setup draws around 200W. There is absolutely no way the new cards could draw anywhere even close to 800W without melting their own PCB.


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Well, I can hope. :)

wait and see

Cold Fusion
By shamgar03 on 10/5/2006 8:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
In other news nVIDIA decided it would probobly need to use cold fusion to power its next generation of cards, so they went ahead and solved the case sized cold fusion problem...

By Narutoyasha76 on 10/5/2006 10:11:30 AM , Rating: 2
WHOA WHOA...Unbelievable G80 at last..yes at long last I will be able to play Direct X10 games...450W minimum...shaders galore!!! pixel beauty avalon!!! more powerful than a locomotive, and surpasses Xbox360 and PS3...Even Vista 2008 wouldn't be a challenge for it...oh but wait...$600+ per card for games that even yet utilize 100% of Direct X9c...nah I'll wait for the mainstream versions, those G80 and R600 with a price tag of $250 or less. For now my Geforce 6800 works just fine.

Good news for cooling market


By iwod on 10/5/2006 1:11:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well not everyone is going to play games 24/7 running at full gfx power.

So what i am wondering is if the Geforce 8 series has any power saving features. Just wanted to know for example how much power it will use when i am only using Window Vista Aero interface.

By UltraSparc on 10/5/2006 7:18:06 PM , Rating: 2
I believe its cheaper to heat your house with two of these than it is to use a full heating system. Hell, I used to have a Prescott clocked to 3.6 heating my room, and i'll tell you one thing, its cheaper than powering a room heater! :)

Do we only care about power?




It's an intressting thoguht, anyway...


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