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An emerging scandal about the veracity of global warming research.

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Governments around the world need to get a handle on this emerging scandal.

  • Nov 27, 2009
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Recently, the debate on the subject of global warming took a sudden and unexpected turn.  With President Obama preparing to attend The U.N. Climate Change Conference on December 9th in Copenhagen it was announced that computer hackers had obtained 160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in England. These now infamous Climategate emails involved communication among many scientific researchers and policy advocates with similar ideological positions all across the world. Those purported authorities were brazenly discussing the destruction and hiding of data that did not support global-warming claims.  Depending on your point of view you will charactorize these hackers as either thieves or "whistle-blowers" but the fact remains that these incriminating e-mails seem to cast serious doubt about whether global warming actually exists and may in fact end the careers of many of the prominent scientists involved in this scam. 

For years conservatives have been debunking the very idea of global warming.  Although I am quite conservative myself I tend to part with conservatives on a number of environmental issues.  Several years ago I began reading extensively on the subject.  After all of my reading I decided that the evidence was inconclusive.  Whether or not global warming exists really did not matter much to me because all along I felt that it was energy conservation that was the key to solving many of this nation's energy and environmental problems.  There are many relatively painless ways for Americans to significantly reduce their energy consumption.  I found the heated debate over global warming to be extremely divisive and a major obstacle to finding common ground and getting anything of substance accomplished in this area.  But in recent years environmentalists have upped the ante considerably.  Folks like Al Gore and  President Obama have been pushing for an emissions trading program called "Cap and Trade".  "Cap and Trade" can be defined as "a two-part regulatory system in which the “cap” is a government-imposed limit on carbon emissions, and the “trade” is a government-created market to buy and sell greenhouse gas credits."   For years "Cap and Trade" has been advanced by liberals as a way to help stem the tide of global warming.  Bad idea!  Critics argued that implementation of such a program would result in skyrocketing taxes.  According to President Obama himself  "Cap and Trade" would necessarily result in substantially higher energy bills for all Americans. Keep in mind that 85% of America's energy comes from fossil fuels.  Opponents of cap and trade legislation say that since carbon dioxide production is unavoidable in fossil fuel combustion, such a cap would inevitably impose disastrous rationing of coal, oil and natural gas on an American economy that is already reeling.  Other opponents would argue strenuously that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant at all.  Liberals have told us for years that global warming is "settled science".  The release of these e-mails now calls all of this into question and seems to confirm what the skeptics have thought all along.  Global warming has been exposed as a manufactured crisis created to advance a radical left political agenda. 

Now I have absolutely no idea of what the motivations were for those who successfully hacked into the computers at  Britain’s Climate Research Unit, University of East Anglia,  But if their motivation was to "blow the whistle" on an international scandal of monumental proportions then I must applaud them.  Thus far, everything I have read seems to indicate that the e-mails are indeed authentic.  You can bet that there is a frantic effort underway around the world to delete damaging e-mails as a result of these revelations.  If all of this proves to be true heads should roll, individuals should be fired, people should be arrested and many should ultimately go to jail for perpertrating such a dastardly deed on the world.  At the same time anyone in our own government found to be complicit in this affair should also be held accountable.  These people have hijacked the debate, indoctrinated our children and caused governments and businesses around the world to expend billions of dollars, perhaps unnecessarily.  At the very least the emerging scandal that has been dubbed "Climategate" should be the death knell for the "Cap and Trade" legislation now pending in the U.S. Congress.  Moreover, the American people should insist that President Obama not involve the United States of America in any agreements in Copenhagen until such time when all of these matters have been sorted out.  The enormity of this scandal can not be overstated.  Let's get to the bottom of this right now before taking another step on climate change.   "Climategate" just might be the biggest scientific scandal in history.
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December 03, 2009
The only problem I have with this whole thing is that people are using this to say "Global Warming doesn't exist."  That... actually doesn't prove it doesn't exist.  It only proves further that we don't know much about it.  I'm not an Environmentalist.  In fact, the whole, "Recyle, Reuse, Reduce..." stuff doesn't actually make much a of a difference in the environment.  When it came to global warming I'm open to the idea that there is Global Warming.  I don't think it's a hoax.  I think what we've found out about it is inconclusive and people are a little too quick to jump to conclusions.  A lot of people have tried debunking Global Warming, but can't actually figure out why in certain places there has been Climate change.  Now, this doesn't make Global Warming real either just because of a Climate Change in a specific area (sometimes you can just chalk it up to--and you'll have to excuse my French:--"Shit happening").

It's like this.  We discovered many many many years ago that Men... just normal everyday men were going around and altering the bible to keep up with the times.  Hell, Conservapedia is starting something to alter the bible to make sure it sounds more Conservative.  Now, many people use this as a way to say, "See?  If Man is controlling and altering the bible it means there is no God!"  Problem is... it only proves that Man at one point altered the bible.  It doesn't actually prove that there is no God. 

The same thing is true here.  Unfortunately, I haven't read the emails.  And while I disagree about the media coverage thing (people in the media are still talking about it... a lot), I'm still drawing the same conclusion from this that I drew before.  There's still a lot to this we just don't know.  Is Global Warming real?  Well, we don't know.  We can't actually predict that.  Climate Change... certainly that's real.  But that's not necessarily Global Warming either.

On the other hand calling this the potential to be the "biggest scandal in the history of mankind," seems like making the exact same stretch that the people who cry, "Global warming is real and here's the data to prove it!" people.  Any "scandal" has potential to be big (if you must know, I happen to think the scandal that has the potential to be a really big scandal would be the holocaust deniers... again, if we're only talking "potential" then you have to consider that everything has potential and we don't know how great or how low potential is).  

But I've actually heard about this story... a lot.  For the past couple of days, actually.  

I just want people to consider that climate change which results in places getting "Warmer" doesn't necessarily mean there's such a thing as global warming anymore than this means there's no such thing as global warming at all.  Remember: "He who controls the past controls history."  Who is to say that something else in other research wasn't altered to make things seem truer or more false (the idea, for example, that the election of Barack Obama means the race wall has been toppled is a great example--race related crime actually increased... but THAT was actually a story no one in America covered actually... and that was a story that went largely ignored that really truly shouldn't have been).

I don't know what to think about Global Warming.  All I can rightfully say is that for something this big... there's a lot we don't know.  And I'm getting real sick of people pretending they have all the answers.  There's nothing wrong with saying, "Well, gee, I don't know yet."  Remember these emails were found but that doesn't necessarily mean that the other evidence is suddenly insubstantial just because you don't want to believe it.  The evidence presented from both sides.... both hold water.  They really do.  That doesn't mean you pick a side and decide, "They're right."  It means that perhaps a lot more digging needs to be done first.  A lot more research has to happen first.
December 03, 2009
Thanks for your comments Sean. As I mentioned in my review after reading about 15 books about this issue I found the evidence of global warming to be inconclusive. I think the divisive debate precludes us from making any real progress. To me an extensive effort at "energy conservation" is the logical first step here. Those who want us to sign onto this treaty in Copenhagen have an agenda and that agenda is going to bankrupt this country. Meanwhile, the media is not giving this story the coverage it deserves.
December 03, 2009
Yeah, I agree the evidence is inconclusive, but I was actually referring to your title which starts off saying: "The Global Warming Hoax..." If you describe it as a "hoax" then you shouldn't be surprised when people think what you're saying is that you don't believe in Global Warming and that you are therefore using this newfound data to say, "See?  This proves it, Global Warming isn't real." 

What I'm getting at is that if the data is "inconclusive" as you say you believe it is... then that doesn't make Global Warming a hoax.  It makes the data inconclusive... meaning, we can't draw any conclusions yet.  It's inconclusive not false and untrue.
December 03, 2009
Perhaps the title is a bit dramatic but if these scientists are actually covering up important new data that refutes their theory then what would you call it? I think "scam" or "hoax" fits quite well. I do think that Americans need to cut back their energy usage significantly and I believe it can be done fairly painlessly without the draconian measures such as "cap and trade". I am extremely conscious about energy usage myself, When I think of how people in the Third World have to burn dung just to cook a meal I simply cannot justify wasting energy.  My wife and I live a very simple lifestyle.  We do not own nor do we want a dishwasher, a clothes dryer (drying clothes accounts for 6% of energy usage in this country), a big screen TV or an air conditioner  to name but a few things. I do a lot of my errands on foot and even though we live in the Northeast we use heat very sparingly. Why do we do this? My wife and I are very concerned that there be energy for future generations. When I look all around me and see how we waste it it makes me ill.   
I do understand your criticism of my headline Sean and as such I have decided to modify it a bit.  Still, I think that what has been going on should preclude the President from signing on to any "global warming" agreement in Copenhagen.   We need to get to the bottom of all of this. 
December 03, 2009
If Scientists are covering up data to refute their theory I don't call that a "scam" or "hoax."  I often call that "dishonesty," "lying" or in this case "manipulation."  As I said, the only thing which really disturbs me about this is that people are constantly using it to say, "See?  Global Warming isn't real."  Should certain people be held accountable?  Well, yeah, I think so.  But at the same time, refuting the other evidence which can lead one to think that perhaps Global Warming is real just seems--in my eyes--just as dishonest as what these scientists did.  This is why I stick by admitting, I don't know much because it still seems we've got a lot to learn about Global Warming and even Climate Change in and of itself.  I agree we need to get to the bottom line, but I don't think it calls for dismissing the other data which may support Global Warming or jumping to the conclusion that it isn't real, that's all I was trying to say.

But I still agree with much of what you've said.  I think it's a pretty awesome and solid write up in and of itself with some very thought provoking things. 
December 01, 2009
Thanks again for another great review. These days it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. The only thing we can take with a fair amount of certitude is that putting anything into the atmosphere like burning waste and fuels is not healthy for breathing.
November 29, 2009
I agree with you Paul. I still am not sure what to believe about global warming, but to me things like energy conservation, recycling, eating healthy/local/organic, are just common sense. I don't think the culture of consumerism is doing anyone any good. To me the most important is doing what is best for my family, and if it happens to be good for the earth - that's great too. Thanks for the review, very thought provoking!
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