Great News! Polls Show Climate Change Scare is Over!

Tue, 2009-10-06 14:13Richard Littlemore
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Great News! Polls Show Climate Change Scare is Over!

Climate Change itself, however, is as bad as ever


Of course, Solomon didn't offer any actual evidence for this contention, other than vague references to unspecified public opinion polls. His strongest source was this: "Andrew Revkin, The New York Times reporter entrusted with the global warming scare beat, has for months lamented “the public’s waning interest in global warming."

As for actual climate change science - apparently of little interest to Solomon or his readers - he offered no sources whatever. Instead, he repeated the denier talking points ("Not only has the globe not warmed over the last decade but the Arctic ice is returning, the Antarctic isn’t shrinking, polar bear populations aren’t diminishing, hurricanes aren’t becoming more extreme."), ignoring such actual evidence as the new Nature article warning that Antarctic ice is, in fact, declining at historic rates, or the latest warning from the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center.



Let's imagine, just this once, that Solomon might actually be correct. People are worrying less. They are less enthusiastic about government taking action on an historic environmental threat. Government, irresponsible governments at least, might therefore be less inclined to take action. That's great, for the oil industry flaks who likely sponsored Solomon's book. What about the rest of us?


Fabulous! One less thing to get anxious about. Unless, of course, AIDS is still a risk. (And the last time I checked ....)

What Solomon is really saying is: Live dangerously. That's stupid advice when it comes from a drunk 17-year-old. It's hard to imagine how a grown (and presumably sober) man could find it otherwise.




One hopes so- but then you get rubbish like this

The Daily Telegraph, 3 October 2009

Basically the British General Public, quite sensibly IMHO, have not swallowed the AGW "The End is Nigh!" lunacy.

Prof Hamilton said "Personally I cannot see any alternative to ramping up the fear factor."


So what's new?


"It's been ranging initially about 30 years ago, 100 kilometre-per-hour storms. It's been growing in aggressiveness from 100 to 150 and of late, the storms have been close to 200 kilometre per hour."

They are raising hell in the UN climate talks about cutting emissions, because they believe the global alarmists. Tsk, tsk. And they did this before Typhoon Parma struck -- some people scare easy. Wusses.

A bad trend of storms is comparable to a 10 year cooling trend. It's tempting to point to it but you're getting into a nebulous area. The thing about climate is it's too boring and takes too long to see a real trend so we all look at the noise and say "look at that"

Can't let that go - the minute you say "look at the storms in the Phillipines", you invite the reminder that we've had nothing in the Atlantic this year. - It's all just noise.

Just thought I'd bring readers' attention to a brilliant new paper by Richard Lindzen. For those who don't read past the usual "Denier" smears, Pofessor Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT and has over 200 peer-reviewed papers.

In his new paper "On the determination of climate feedbacks from ERBE data",

Professor Lindzen compares actual satellite measurements of outgoing radiation (from the atmosphere). Needless to say "The observed behavior of radiation fluxes implies negative feedback processes associated with relatively low climate sensitivity. This is the opposite of the behavior of 11 atmospheric models",




... why temp has already risen by 0.8 degrees from pre-industrial. Oh, no. Sorry. It won't. It doesn't explain that at all. But I can take a shot at why Lindzen is still the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT, despite his drift into stumping full-time for climate confusion: tenure.




Until that is done, why would anyone believe the IPCC?



* I mean no disrespect to meteorologists in general

See a pattern here?
See where we were supposed to be going?

Notice we are currently going UP?

Oh, and Watts' supposed "UHI" isn't visible in the records. NOAA has actually done the number crunching and found that taking Watts' 70 or so "good" stations show the SAME upward trend as the whole dataset (of which most supposedly are so bad). This means your requested analysis has been done, and Watts' claims have no basis.


1 "It's the sun"
6 "Surface temp is unreliable"
7 "Ice age predicted in the 70s"
9 "We're heading into an ice age"
11 "CO2 lags temperature"
16 "Mars is warming"
18 "It's cosmic rays"
20 "Urban Heat Island effect exaggerates warming"
23 "Hockey stick was debunked"
26 "Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas"
27 "Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions"
28 "We're coming out of an ice age"
29 "It cooled mid-century"
33 "Polar bears are increasing"
35 "Glaciers are growing"
42 "CO2 effect is weak"
45 "There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature"
56 "It's aerosols"
69 "It's satellite microwave transmissions"


Which one is EdB going to use next?

All of the challenges above should have caused the warmists to look elsewhere for explainations, but they didn't(that is the problem with religion.. you get dogmatic, and instead start to ask for "punishment" of deniers!). So it is up to others:

In case you haven't noticed, many papers are coming out, which totally discount CO2 as the main driver of Global Warming.

The science has moved on.


Now we have cloud experiments underway to develop a model:

CERN experiment looks at cosmic rays, clouds and climate


Plus the latest from Leif:

IDV09 and Heliospheric Magnetic field 1835-2009
Leif Svalgaard1 and Edward W. Cliver2

This is a joke, right EdB? So sorry I didn't get it right away. You really had me going there for awhile. Very funny, very ironic. You'll get a Leacock for this for sure.

F Mackenzie

"The science has moved on" almost word for word what I retorted to you only yesterday [Tue, 2009-10-06 14:04], when you were prattling-on about Rasool and Schneider from July 1971, a paper that's 38 years old!
[Dishonest EdB is Lying Again - What a surprise! ]

[EdB quote]

Coming from a self-declared expert like EdB, this is of course a deliberate, barefaced lie. The radiative physics of CO2 haven't gone away. Which also means that any 'new' mechanisms are going to be minor in magnitude, when compared with the effect of CO2.


So spotting your lies is alarmism?

You don't like your trolling being highlighted!

Another home truth from the Brit press.


Well said!!

On "worrying less" - I don't think we've ever seen what could be called "worry" on the part of the general population over climate change.

People worried about AIDS, and about Y2K. They worried a little about more September 11's. They might be slightly concerned about H1N1 and are a little anxious about the econmomy.

Climate change doesn't make the list of things they worry about so far, except among a tiny minority.


The National Post and American Thinker? Not a peer-review in sight. You'll have to do a lot better than that. The American Thinker article is a tired rehash of things that have been churning through the denialsphere for YEARS, oblivious to the fact that it's all been answered and debunked by the science. The train has left the station, man. Get over it.