Unbelievable Headline From 1935 Confirms That Nothing Ever Changes In The World http://www.businessinsider.com/skilled-workmen-in-demand-despite-vast-unemployment-2012-4/comments en-us Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500 Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:00:54 -0500 Dean Baker http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4faa7554ecad043560000004 JCfromDC Wed, 09 May 2012 09:47:00 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4faa7554ecad043560000004 Spoken like a TRUE COMMUNIST. Like they created "workers' paradises" wherever their miserable alternative was ENFORCED. Let's see, the prognosticators of "world socialism", the former Soviet Union and their "satellites" were the chief place in the industrialized world where people routinely starved, were routinely miserable for generations, routinely and equally poor (except the "elightened" elite party hacks) and the average age went DOWN. That's just brilliant, Einstein. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fa15fc5ecad042427000004 apaloosa01 Wed, 02 May 2012 12:24:37 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fa15fc5ecad042427000004 Exactly. The corporatist socialist have ruined America by the devaluation of our currency and handing our manufacturing to other nations. Our schools have dumbed down for 30yrs the new group of non-thinkers to swallow the koolaid of socialism because they no longer no the true history of the country of how communism and socialism rape the masses of freedom while proposing to help others who have grown used to using the system for entitlements. Instead of a nation of thinkers and creators we have become a nation of non-thinking do-gooders and takers. If we do not change our government we are doomed to become another Russian society and the Chinese and Russia will gloat - the Sino-Soviet pact will have been achieved. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9f2bb1eab8ea5a4400000a Bodine Web Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:17:53 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9f2bb1eab8ea5a4400000a I miss Hardees. Where I am now they're called Carls Jr. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9efe56ecad04814d00000d Murloc Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:04:22 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9efe56ecad04814d00000d it's like that anywhere in the world. But also keep in mind that the kind of skilled workers that is lacking changes in that time-span. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9efe22eab8eac166000002 Myclette Brown Lavalais Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:03:30 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9efe22eab8eac166000002 My husband has a degree in graphic arts and design. He's been working for a magazine and does tons of freelance projects. Most of them stem from the fact that the economy is so bad, that many people are starting their own businesses or writing books and novels. Since this past summer, he's illustrated 3 children's books. By they way, he graduated from college DEBT FREE. He worked at Hardee's and made extra money by using his artistic talent. So much for being useless. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9ef12decad043c38000002 roy scott Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:08:13 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9ef12decad043c38000002 Add a comment... http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb5ac69bedd763400000d WiseGuy Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:54:20 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb5ac69bedd763400000d One thing that is striking about the latest economic downturn and the Great Depression is that great economic downturns accelerate change. The people hit the hardest in the Great Depression were farmers which had already seen an ongoing consolidation in farming. Take the auto industry for instance: in the 1920's most of the major auto manufacturer's made their own parts, by 1940, they were mostly made by independent auto parts suppliers where they could be made cheaper and more efficiently. This drive for efficiency was the major cause of the persistent unemployment in the 30's in spite of the New Deal. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb584eab8ea8c1d000008 Bodine Web Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:53:40 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb584eab8ea8c1d000008 Art majors get married to men with jobs, duh. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb53469bedd5434000008 Ford Prefect Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:52:20 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb53469bedd5434000008 A lot of the companies that are struggling to find skilled employees laid a lot of them off in the last downturn. For some reason, they are not just sitting by the curb outside their door waiting to be rehired by them....... http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb4feeab8eabd1d000003 Bodine Web Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:51:26 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb4feeab8eabd1d000003 Agreed on the training conundrum. It's also strange that there are welders laid off regularly, yet companies here are advertising on the radio for welders to apply. What these articles don't take into account is that skilled workers seem to work short term, large projects. For example, 300 openings for a nine month long bridge project gets reported as "Three Hundred Jobs". http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb1ddeab8ea9315000004 industry loves h1-b Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:38:05 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb1ddeab8ea9315000004 every time you hear lack of skilled workers, it's astro-turfing to lobby for more H1-B visas or justify off-shoring. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb0e769bedda02f000004 Henry BIodget Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:33:59 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9eb0e769bedda02f000004 The Van Gogh will not be purchased for $140million by an Art major...but from a barron of industry...so without the producers the art majors would not exsist...but the producers could exsist just fine without the art majors. So please go back to your finger painting and get off my website, so I can make some money to buy your crap and keep you from say "would you like fries with that". http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9ea40ceab8eade7400000b Jessica6 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:39:08 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9ea40ceab8eade7400000b Out of the many, many people I know personally with a BFA, not a single one is unemployed. Graphic design, teaching, video game production, film production, animation, advertising, marketing and even selling their own paintings or public art installations. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9ea34169beddc11200000f thebigcicero Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:35:45 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9ea34169beddc11200000f For a guy who calls people "hacks", which is not very nice, this post wasn't entirely correct. Remember the Solow model? It tells you that the the appropriate path to prosperity is NOT "under-consumption", like you point out, but rather the optimal amount of consumption. In fact, the Soviet Union suffered from under-consumption. All of their output was going to reinvest in the depreciation of their capital stock, rather than going toward consumption. As a result, there was little increase in standard of living, despite the capital stock levels. Over the long-term, prosperity comes from investment and saving, but only the optimal amount. There has been some research done that concludes that the US is not far from this optimal point. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e9ffaeab8ea746c000001 Libertard Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:21:46 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e9ffaeab8ea746c000001 What a sorry point you are making! There is no reason that in this day and age anyone should have to work 12 or more hours a day, 7 days a week! We are a country rich in resources. We have enough people to meet any labor demands, and we can train people with the necessary skills if we put our minds to it. But of course, that would mean that we as a people need to abandon the economic religious beliefs brought upon us by the likes of Hayek, Friedman, Rand, etc. What you are proposing is a form of slavery! http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e9e9d6bb3f7cf7700000a Libertard Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:15:57 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e9e9d6bb3f7cf7700000a Your comments are so spot on this morning! It is about time someone stands up in the face of the Laissez-Faire Capitalists and their collaborators! Of course, at this point in time they'll just laugh at your line about the coming revolution. That's because they choose to ignore history, which has so many examples of various peoples being pushed to the limit by a parasitic wealthy elite, and the resulting uprising and cleansing of that society, And for those of you who think that I'm a Marxist, I'm not! I believe in an economy that is a mixture of privately owned businesses with government run services, all managed to prevent crises such as what we just experienced! http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e99b469bedd397900000c SCyankee Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:55:00 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e99b469bedd397900000c My BFA degree did me fine until the last 4 years. See my response to Sam Jenkins below and realize that the more you think you know the more you should continue pondering your assumptions about who you're inhabiting this Earth with and realizing that your "view" is VERY NARROW! http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e97b4ecad04eb6a00000d Aqua Buddha Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:46:28 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e97b4ecad04eb6a00000d Plutarchy... The combination of both plutocracy and oligarchy is called plutarchy. Evil and based on the continued of the world by the .000001% America is a failing state just like Europe. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e976b6bb3f70667000014 SCyankee Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:45:15 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e976b6bb3f70667000014 FYI: Wrongo! BFA here! Got it (Industrial Design) in 1985 and spent 27 usually lucrative years designing everything from department store interiors and fixturing to advertising campaigns and creating illustrations of everything from corporate jets to childrens books and giant themed real estate developments. My "sole proprietor" business has been in the crapper now for 4 miserable years where I've survived on scraps of work (mostly architectural) and teaching painting and drawing classes. Just got offered a pretty decent temp-to-perm job with Gulfstream (corporate aircraft) the other week but couldn't pass their security clearance test because all my former clients (and thus references) have either vanished or been shut down or jailed for various scams and/or improprieties and my credit history is destroyed. Have never drawn one unemployment insurance check in my life nor needed to (until now, of course) and have raised 2 kids who are now in their early 20s (son is a college graduate with a History major who's having a VERY rough time of it finding decent work but my HS dropout daughter who is gorgeous and bodacious has no trouble finding restaurant work). Just sayin.... http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e969869bedd377500000b toddd Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:41:44 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e969869bedd377500000b It's funny that this guy adds to the conversation by bringing up an additional BOGUS belief, i.e. that everyone that is unemployed has an under-water-basket-weaving degree. The MSM is controlled by the rich, it's obvious. They want you to believe the following, despite the realities: 1) Only the wealthy create jobs, consumers don't. You can actually only have job creation if you have people with a huge wage gap income. 2) Everyone that is unemployed has a worthless degree or is unskilled. So take note all of you that are unemployed, you are worthless. Regardless of the fact that computer science majors are one of the most highly unemployed college graduate groups, along with Nuclear Sicentists, and that even nurses can't find work....it's obvious that you're just stupid. 3) The unemployed refuse to take a low-wage job. In other words, we'd have low unemployment if all these engineers and nurses would just take a job at McDonalds. It's their fault we have high unemployment. All of this despite the fact that 2 years ago 1 million people applied for 50,000 open McDonald jobs, and 950,000 were not hired. It's rhetoric by the wealthy to keep people calm, to push the blame on them. If they had articles saying some kid went to school for engineering, borrowed $100,000 and now can't even get a min wage job....well we'd have panic. We'd have, er......OWS. Also, this nonsense about getting skilled workers is usually more a "we can't get skilled workers....CHEAP ENOUGH" rather than simply finding skilled workers. And if skilled workers were in such demand, why aren't employers training them? Obviously they don't NEED THEM. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8e9069beddda63000024 I'm interested Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:07:28 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8e9069beddda63000024 I would work 365 days, 13-14 hours per day for $250k. Please let me know the details. I have my CDL and experience in the oil industry. Thanks! http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8bf2eab8eade37000019 Corrected Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:56:18 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8bf2eab8eade37000019 "Believable Headline From 1935 Confirms That Some Things Don't Change In The World" why does the idiot author expect these types of things to change, anyway? You would think anyone that can provide more value than they cost would be in demand most of the time. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8b3169beddb661000001 original Straw Man Comment Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:53:05 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8b3169beddb661000001 Let's analyze the probabilities on your straw man: 1) How many people come across paintings worth even say $100,000 without knowing it? 2) How many throw it out, instead of getting an appraisal from the dumpster divers? 3) How many art majors wander the streets looking for expensive paintings that have been thrown out? 4) how many find anything? The answer is less chance than the lottery ticket. Not to mention tha Van Gogh's styles, early and later are so obvious that anyone who would have to take an Art course to figure it out must be dense http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e89ba69bedde155000018 Are you dumb? Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:46:50 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e89ba69bedde155000018 Your pathetic straw man ASSUMES that people with Majors in Art cannot flip burgers like anyone else! So the answer to your stupid question is "All art majors could support themselves" - the degree is there so they're more educated than your brainless ass. The difference is that you will STAY flipping burgers forever - they will eventually become art dealers / appraisers / auctioneers etc - while you're still flipping burgers. ...of course you probably want a world where there is no art and no literature so people like you can feel clever for your burger flipping talent. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8936eab8ea6d37000021 EasyMoney Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:44:38 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8936eab8ea6d37000021 There are $250-300K jobs available now with no one to fill them. Field work, 12 hrs/day, 7 days/week, approx. 325 days/year. Live wherever you like. Degree not required. Any takers? http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e88dbeab8ea5235000019 it's NOTHING to do with skills Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:43:07 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e88dbeab8ea5235000019 Ahhh - another contradictory capitalist. You - like most capitalists make the elementary mistake of treating the economy (and the Governments role in it) - like you would a business. This is why you cannot solve the crisis. You also (like most capitalists) assume that austerity will just 'happen' and as smoothly as the boom ran up - the bust will follow and the bad debt will be rung out of the Economy. ...you forget about the people. You also forget to mention WHY the demand has gone from the Economy - you think it's some sort of 'natural progression' - blaming 'God' or 'animal spirits' - when in fact it's the surplus value (extracted as profit by the Capitalist) which has CAUSED THE WAGES TO FALL IN REAL TERMS MEANING THE WORKERS CAN NO LONGER BUY (demand gone) Your answer is to punish those workers more - as if they're austerity is going to do anything to boost demand. Like most capitalists - you're pinning your recovery on the basis that "at some point people will take ANY job at ANY wage level as they will need food to survive" The morailty of this argument wil be lost on you - however the Economics of it demonstrates what a clueless fucktard you really are as the austerity measures ensure that a 10 year depression will now stretch out for nearly 20 - and the disparity of wealth it will create will bring on the next revolution and of course your execution for allying yourself with the ruling class and not your fellow worker. You are the worst kind of rat. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e88726bb3f7114e000018 Big Rexx Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:41:22 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e88726bb3f7114e000018 Did you bother to read the article? The business cycle and corresponding unemployment are not caused by what you think. The endless bashing on liberal and fine arts degrees is grossly misguided. There would be no difference in unemployment if everyone had degrees in computer science and chemistry. We'd just have a lot more retail clerks and fast food workers with science degrees. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e866d69beddb455000004 strats4ever Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:32:45 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e866d69beddb455000004 "That Nothing Ever Changes In The World" - Lets see what else hasn't changed shall we? “If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash.” – George Washington “I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it’s system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world… no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson “If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.” – George H.W. Bush to White House reporter Sarah McClendon, 1992 “The Federal Reserve is answerable to no one.” – Ronald Reagan "Nuff said. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8051ecad049c45000001 Agr Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:06:41 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e8051ecad049c45000001 Same in ag. Farmers and ag businesses say there is a shortage of workers who wont work dangerous jobs that are very dirty and expose workers to dangerous chemicals. Then they lobby that state labor laws on safety are killing them. They want to pay only $10 per hour while they have taken an average of 100k in the midwest home with them the past 5 years. The work is only seasonal and they then complain the workers they do get don't know what they are doing. Some then take advantage of the illegals. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7f696bb3f79339000008 thephantomcapitalist Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:02:49 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7f696bb3f79339000008 Ahh, another Keynesian hack. Demand has fallen out of the economy = people need to spend more money = a first grade look at economics. This line of thinking is the equivalent of telling a poor person that the reason that they are poor is because they didn't spend enough money. If people have no money or if the goods and/or services dont physically exist, because know one has constructed them or/is offering them, it doesn't matter how much demand someone has. Prosperity comes from under-consumption and production. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7d60eab8eaf123000002 kramh Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:54:08 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7d60eab8eaf123000002 Sorry sore, I do enjoy art. How many art majors can support themselves with their degree? Not very many. As you are stuck with student loan debt and the interest is building up when you can;t make the payments, you can always work at starbucks making coffee. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7a026bb3f72d2f000013 He will be sore Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:39:46 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7a026bb3f72d2f000013 When he chucks out a Van Gogh thinking it was crap - and an Art Major picks it out of the trash and sells it for $140 Million. Fine art loves inflation - but this dick is too stoopid to realise it. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e79a569bedd793e000001 it's NOTHING to do with skills Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:38:13 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e79a569bedd793e000001 These are just capitlaist LIES. Anyone who understands capitlaism will know why the demand has fallen out of the Economy. The idea that there is suddenly a massive loss of skills is utter BULLSHIT. What's happened is the skilled jobs are no longer paying what the skilled people want - and therefore they either set up on their own, or sit on the sidelines. The Capitalists are trying to force down wages and falsely blaming the worker (basically for not accepting what the Capitalist offers - i.e. slavery) This is just the beginning. Had anyone at BI read JK Galbraiths bok "the great crash" then this story woud not have been printed - as it's plainly obvious from that book we're simply replaying historical events from the 1930's. Lets hope it doesn't end in a World war. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7826eab8eab817000002 Sam Jenkins Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:31:50 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e7826eab8eab817000002 I doubt anyone with an art major is reading this site let alone your comment. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e72a969bedded24000016 kramh Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:08:25 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e72a969bedded24000016 If you have skills that are needed you can find well paying work. Hows that useless art major working out for you? Learn from the past so that you don't make the same mistakes in the future. History seems to repete itself so often, will we ever learn. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e6deceab8eae201000009 Schmidt Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:48:12 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e6deceab8eae201000009 Yep. Same story over here in Germany. Every 4-5 years during upturns the industry is freaking out over lack of skilled workers. But then, just 2-3 years later, the newspapers are full of doom-and-gloom articles on the supposedly horrible job outlook for skilled workers. I guess they have reused the same articles for 100 years now. http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e6abe69bedd8712000032 USA USA USA Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:34:38 -0400 http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f9e6abe69bedd8712000032 the other is plagiarization