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Humans are Apes

Dogs are Canines

The Ten Tails is a Tailed Beast and a Deity.

















Nine Tomoes


The last chapter (646) make clear like the nine tomoes are missing in the Juubi because still not full matured. So I think that we could fix the sentence in its section appearence "For unknown reasons after its revival, it was brought back with six tomoe in its eye instead of nine,[...]"--JK88 (talk) 18:35, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

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Wood Release





Well we have quite a shift on the horizon...hell the Ten-Tails was originally a does anyone else have any doubt that the thing can use Wood Release? Darksusanoo (talk) 11:44, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Wood? Yeah. Wood Release? I can kinda see how it would, but it's a sentient tree, technically it's attacking with its body, which would technically make its attacks taijutsu. I no longer care enough to have long discussions about it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:57, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well there's a thing we can be sure, due the beast's nature its obvious that exists an affinity between the Shinju and the Wood Release, which it explains why the user can channelize Wood Release techniques through the bijuu. I propose mention this affinity in the article and explain it's unknown if the beast can use the Wood Release by itself. Adept-eX (talk) 22:12, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Right. And Susanoo has an affinity for Blaze Release techs because Sasuke can channel them through it. Useless information about nothing is useless information about nothing. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 22:55, September 23, 2013 (UTC)



/shrug Sure. This way all the tailed beasts got names. Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokou, Saiken, Chomei, Gyuki, Kurama, Shinju. Yeah seems fine.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:33, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
On second thought I'm more up in the air. Damn thing was "called" the Shinju and worshiped, then when it got pissed off and started walking did they call it Ten-Tails. That makes it just another moniker for the beast. Basically, we can go either or.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:52, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Shinju is its most official name tho. When I said it's a god not a tailed beast and a tree/plant I was looked upon like an idiot--Elveonora (talk) 11:54, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
That's the thing though, technically it's only "most official" because its first/last form was a tree. As I said, when it started walking around then it was Ten-Tails. Either way, neither name are "correct" so to speak, hence either or.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:56, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Shinju = Name when in tree form
Datara etc. = Nicknames for incomplete form (form w/o fruit)
Ten-Tails = Nickname to fit the tailed beast names
Gedō Mazō = Madara's name for the empty shell
As you can see, every name describes the tree when it's missing something. Only Shinju doesn't. So that's its real name, isn't it? Unless there's some god hiding inside the tree who is called Seelentau or so... Seelentau 愛 12:02, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd call it Shinju as well. Would require renaming the chapter as well though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:57, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

2 things

The whole story doesn't explain how come non-human animals have chakra too. Unless every species ate the fruit over billions of years before the woman did or even worse, humans had intercourse with other species and managed to produce an offspring, that would explain the chakra and them having high intelligence and ability of speech.

Second, now it's more or less confirmed that the Rinnegan is "eye of god" the Sage either got it after becoming the tree's host or was born with it, but the latter still means he got it as a result of the tree's power.--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Madara's story could also be complete and total BS. Or considering how the Sage taught ninjutsu to the rest of the world, the large intelligent animals followed suit.
And when and how the Sage got the eyes mean very little, unless you want it added to the Rinneagan article that it's some a Tailed Beast Skill or something.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:08, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Isn't it? We list Roshi's Lava Release as a tailed beast skill instead of bloodline limit--Elveonora (talk) 12:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Because it was said that he got it from Yonbi. It wasn't said that the RS got his Rinnegan from Jubi. He could have it from his mother, though. Animals maybe know by instinct how to mold chakra. Seelentau 愛 12:11, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Rinnegan requires chakra to work. Having it from his mother means he got it from the Ten-Tails hence it being origin of chakra. I wouldn't be surprised if we learned that Sage of Six Paths was born of virgin birth from the princess, making a tree his divine father. --Elveonora (talk) 12:20, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
The allusion to the Bible is obvious, yeah. I mean it like this, though: She borrowed the Chakra, it was not her own, so no Rinnegan either. Then she gave birth to her son, who got the Chakra, but this time, it was is own, that's why his eyes reacted and formed the Rinnegan... or so. I mean the TT doesn't have the Rinnegan, but even a step above that, huh? It looks like every child-birth destroys the Rinnegan ("Shinjugan" => Rinnegan => "Uzugan"). Seelentau 愛 12:25, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
By the way, can someone edit the trivia portion to reflect that the Tree of Knowledge is from the Judeo-Christian Bible? Both Judaism and Islam have the same story, saying it is from the Christian bible is erroneous. And also, if you want to make the Rinnegan a tailed beast power, wouldn't Chakra in itself be a tailed beast ability? --Mantequilla219 (talk) 16:45, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
You need to check your facts. Judaism, Islam, and Judeo-Christian beliefs are all Abrahamic religions, thus why they are mentioned as such. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 21:19, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
As to the question of how animals and others have chakra when only the princess ate the fruit, since this plot development seems to be based on the Bible, let's use this comparison. According to the Bible, when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, it didn't just affect them. Because of their sin, corruption entered the world and infected every part of creation. Maybe plucking the fruit from the Shinju caused some of its chakra to leak out and infect every living creature, causing them to gain their own chakra. I know it's just speculation, but hey, the question was asked and that's my theory. We'll see if an official response is ever given. Raidra (talk) 19:14, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

3 more things aka. what am I missing?

  • Just thought it's noteworthy that it after all upgraded from 6 tomoe to 9 in its final form.
  • That Obito is still its jinchuuriki (or not? 0_0) having the form and all despite it being outside of his body.
  • Where did it use water, earth and wood releases???--Elveonora (talk) 13:06, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Maybe it just opened its eyes wider?
  • Just like Naruto can do it, somehow.
  • Obito used it through the TT, also the plant from a few chapters ago was decided to be Wood Release. Not that we could really "decide" on what is true and what is not... Seelentau 愛 13:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Well given the fact that it turned into a titanic tree with expanding, chakra-sucking roots, should end that debate by now. I think Obito is still connected to the thing, this is maybe his version of Tailed Beast Mode. Darksusanoo (talk) 13:48, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe on a similiar note, can we add that this tree can absorb chakra under unique traits, cuz it kinda absorbs chakra, right? xD--Omojuze (talk) 16:03, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Wood Release Techniques

Well, since we now have proof that the TT can use Wood Release, i'm wondering if it should be listed as a user of the techniques we saw it use. The Cutting Technique and the flower tree that can shoot Tailed Beast Balls. Any opinions on that matter? Darksusanoo (talk) 13:53, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

We have proof? Seelentau 愛 13:57, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Other than seeing the thing, firing giant wood spikes, and Obito producing a tree that can fire TTB? The original argument against this was that the TT couldn't use WR, as it was solely Hashi's KKG, and since Obito was the only other confirmed user of the WR, it was assumed that Obito used the beast as a medium. Now we know that the beast can use WR as it was originally a giant tree. When the Cutting Technique was used Obito wasn't even it's jinchuriki, and i doubt he had the power to produce a TTB firing if he can't the only one who can it the Ten-Tails. Darksusanoo (talk) 14:08, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Just because its true physical form is a tree-like being doesn't mean it can use wood release.--Elveonora (talk) 14:12, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
So nowadays, being a tree (not even one made of wood) equals wood release? Seelentau 愛 14:12, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
I think you should look at that one backwards @Seel and @Elve...nowadays, even after becoming a tree, people still refuse to see it as Wood please tell me...what other method exists in this series that allows one to turn their body into a tree? Also @Seel, you don't know if the thing is made of wood at this point or not. Darksusanoo (talk) 14:16, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
I know that the Ten-Tails we know is not a tree, or do trees look like frogs or weird demons now, while being greyish in colour, as opposed to the brown coloured trees? Seelentau 愛 14:19, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe not in it's beast form...but it was one originally and it apparently can reassume said form...and what does that have to do with anything? I'm discussing that since it was originally a tree, it can turn into one, the biggest one shown in the series and since the only way to do that is through WR, plus the fact that this is the third time we've seen a connection between the TT and WR, that it can use it and the techniques i've mentioned. Unless you have a better theory. Darksusanoo (talk) 14:26, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

So what do you call those broken branches of the ten tails' true form? Flesh that just happens to break like wood? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:29, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

So you admit that it's just a theory and therefore not something that should be stated as a fact in any article? Sounds fine to me. Seelentau 愛 14:31, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ok guys, I have to say that this should not even be debatable. Being a living tree =/= wood release. This isnt an automatic change, and whomever made that addition to the Juubi's page was being impulsive. Being the "God Tree" made of chakra, it should be obvious to us, that it is alive and able to control it's body. Simply, it is a "characteristic of the Juubi/God Tree, just like how roots and the Mayfly are a characteristic to Zetsu. This is pure speculation to the highest degree, folks. Until we actually see any specification and references to Hashirama's unique (may i remind you) kekkei genkai from anyone who knows anything about it (Madara), this topic shouldnt be commented on anymore. We, the wiki, dont go on and on about speculation. This is especially true when it blantantly contradicts what we've done in the past. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 14:34, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

And what we did in the past is just plain wrong. It was already confirmed that Zetsu could not only use wood release, but was made from Hashi's cells. Why the mayfly, which was specifically said to be able to allow movement through earth, wood and plants, wasn't said to be wood release. I'm sorry, but being stubborn and having to have everything explained explicitly out to you is just plain stupid. Does no one on this wiki have reading comprehension? Anyone? Cause sometimes I see it, then sometimes its thrown out the window. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:42, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
The beast isn't using wood release, it's a tree. It's not the same.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:45, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Oww for Pete's sake, really? First off, @Koto where was it ever, at any moment stated that Hasho's KKG was unique to him only? Also as of now we've had three occassions of the TT using Wood Release...hell the first one should have been obvious, as it fired wood spikes from it's body. But that was pushed. Second we had a tree that could fire TTB. That was pushed as well. Now we've had the thing turn into a tree, and you're still trying to push it. Also @Seel don't mock me as a way to try and dodge the issue. I asked if you have a better explanation and your answer shows you don't have one. But i'd like to hear the voices of other editors, either for or against. Darksusanoo (talk) 14:48, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Why would I have to explain what was stated in the manga and what was made up by you? You say "Guys, it's like this...", then I say "No, because there is no proof in the manga for that." and then you say "Proove me that I'm wrong.". Why should I? Proove me that you're right, you're the one who's brought up that theory, not me. Seelentau 愛 14:51, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
No i gave the examples and provided an didn't even bother to do so. I followed the series own structure...we've never seen anyother method of tree creation that wasn't WR, especially on this scale...i never made up anything...i just took what the manga has been shoving down out eyeballs and actually noticed what it was. Darksusanoo (talk) 15:23, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

It's a tree by default, so stating that regenerating back to its original form equals wood release is just plain wrong.--Elveonora (talk) 15:35, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, Darksusanoo, I want you to take a step back and understand want, Cerez, Sele, Elveo, and I are saying. Being the God Tree =/= Wood Release. By no means are they the same thing. And are you seriously going to tell me that it was not stated time and time again, to be Hashirama's unique kekkei genkai? Really? And for the most part, your only argument has been " 3 Occasion ". Ok first off, that's just plain wrong.

  • "1st Occasion" - Wood Cutting technique - We have already discussed that this is OBITO channeling his WR, through the juubi, while connected to it.
  • "2nd Occasion" - Tailed Beast Ball Tree - Again, Obito using his WR, but this time, combined with the Juubi's powers.
  • "3rd Occasion" - Turning itself into it's original form (the God Tree) - Again, not WR, it's original form.
So, what do all youre cherished points amount to? Pure, Grade - A, Speculation and Fanfiction. We have explained those 2 prior occurences, and have 4 people telling you youre wrong at this moment. Do i think youre entirely wrong? Based off what we know, YES. Is it impossible? No, and if youre right i will gladly appologise. But untill then, lay down your arms. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 16:05, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Except all that went downthe gutter with this new information. We should be rethinking exactly how all of those things happened. We should be using new information to rationalize what happened before, not using old rationalizations to attempt to rationlize new facts. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 16:23, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

See my last comment at #Wood Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:57, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Wait so it looks like wood release, it smells like wood release but it's not just making a point from what I've seen from the last 100 chaptersWilliam000 (talk)

It's... a... tree... If a stone rolls over, it's using Earth Release then I suppose? Don't be daft.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 19:39, September 21, 2013 (UTC)'

I wrote a long passage out it got deleted by mistakes as I was about to publish so call I will say now is : Is it a sentient rock?, then yes yes very much so @CereWilliam000 (talk)

Okay friend, I'll make you a deal, if and when we find out the tree is manipulating water and earth nature transformations to create wood, then it'll be added to its article as an ability.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 01:51, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sure but one last thing at @Cere Not everyone who has wood style that has both earth and water nature have even used water jutsu so even if they have the nature that doesn't mean they have jutsu for for example we have only seen Hashirama use wood release jutsu not water or earth. Why I'm stating this is because with the state the Shinju is in don't expect it to be using water or earth realease just use your common sense from when OBITO WAS USING THE WOOD STYLE THROUGH IT, and I don't mean that in a wrong way btw someone should add tailed beast arms to the juubi we only saw obito use it but of course it was from the juubi/shnju just like when he was using the wood release thanks for being SevilleWilliam000 (talk)

We're not saying they have to use earth and water jutsu, but Wood Release, as an advanced nature, is created by using both natures at the same time. Shinju, as a tree, does not necessarily do that, as it is made of wood already. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:14, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

@Omni what does it already being made of wood have to do with anything doesn't the juubi/shiju have all the different nature chakra's and in its beast form its seems to be made of a plant like substance just like zetsu that also basically a plant and in its beast form it can which seems to be plant like it can fire beast bombs anyway before you guy get pissed at me I will leave it as iswe all have seen the chapter going long back I'm know what I've seen so that's itWilliam000 (talk) 23:16, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

If it's not using earth and water chakra to create wood, then by definition, it's not Wood Release. Nowhere it's mentioned that Shinju has each individual beasts' chakra. Do you see it listed with Lava Release from Son? Fire from Son and Matatabi? Any chakra nature ever used canonically by any tailed beast? I don't. Zetsu gets Wood Release because we know he was created with Hashirama's cells. What does Tailed Beast Ball have anything to do with this? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:44, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

LOL @Omni I was talking about it the origin of chakra so it must have all natures when did I talk about the other tailed beast chakra but you do have a point it maybe able to use there powers and lol why would they be listed if we haven't seen it use them and the beast bomb well you have no prob as I can see listing that even if it was under control when it used it but you have a prob with listing the wood jutsu it used when it was also under control so why isn't the beast bombs obito's jutsu then and not the juubi lo I'm being sarcastic and the juubi was the first wood user if I'm right which I probably I'm and hashirama gain that power down the line kind of like how the uchiha got it's eyeWilliam000 (talk) 01:29, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Chakra may naturally lean towards a certain nature, but each shinobi must still actively mould it into a specific nature transformation for it to have any element's characteristics. If you store chakra anywhere, it will not change into a nature on its own. TBB is listed because it is by definition a tailed beasts' attack, and Shinju has used it. Obito is listed as a TBB user, I don't know where you're getting that he isn't. He's used it since becoming a jinchuriki. The Wood Release technique was Obito's technique, the same he used in the flashback. He just channelled it though the tailed beast. That's like Naruto using senjutsu while transformed as Kurama. Kurama isn't using senjutsu, but Naruto is channelling it through Kurama. You're still not getting that for Shinju, using wood in an attack does not necessarily equal using Wood Release. That's what you're failing to understand. Could it be that it's using Wood Release? Yes. Is it likely? Yes. Can we say it for certain with the currently available information? No. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:52, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sharingan and Tsukuyomi

Considering that Infinite tsukuyomi is going to be performed through its eye, the jutsu should be added to its list, and either it has both the sharingan and rinnegan as a kekkei genkai, or its ability to use at least sharingan techniques should be mentioned in its abilities section. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:05, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Except, since it hasn't done either yet, nor do we know exactly how Madara is going to go about making it preform his Sharingan techniques, nothing will be added nowhere until we do. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
He just explained it in this chapter. What are you talking about? And regardless of how Madara plans to wrestle control from Obito, Obito's going to try and do it as its jinchuuriki. So I don't see your point. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:42, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

We don't add stuff that is as unclear as this. Simple as that. Seelentau 愛 19:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Infinite Tsukuyomi Basis

I wanted to point out, the idea of this seems based off the phrase "Kyōka Suigetsu" (鏡花水月, Mirror Flower, Water Moon). The Ten-Tails has the large flower with its eye in it, an eye like the Mirror Eye that will reflect it on the moon to cast the illusion. Benknightprime (talk) 01:36, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

The phrase describes the reflection of the moon on a water surface and flowers reflecting in a mirror. We don't have any water or mirrors here, do we? Also, the real meaning behind that phrase is "something that's there, but not tangible". I don't know how that would have anything to do with the tree and the moon. Nice idea, however. Seelentau 愛 08:42, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, doesn't the phrase "something that's there, but not tangible" describe an illusionary world created by genjutsu, which is what an Infinite Tsukuyomi would be, pretty well? Raidra (talk) 15:21, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
If the moon is the water and the eye is reflected on it, then it would be the eye that isn't tangible, not the created Genjutsu. Seelentau 愛 16:43, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Just wondering?

Ok I know this is basically what others have said but really we have all seen the God Tree/Juubi perform wood release why haven't those other jutsu been added to its page, and I have always wonder is it the humans of the world who call the Juubi/God Tree a God or Demon and couldn't it simply be a non mystical creature of that world that has just been labeled?William000 (talk)

Wood? Yeah. Wood Release? I can kinda see how it would, but it's a sentient tree, technically it's attacking with its body, which would technically make its attacks taijutsu. It is basically retaking its own chakra with its "limbs".--Marc Zaddy (talk) 04:14, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Marc just because its attacking with its body doesn't make it Taijutsu Kimmimaru could send bones that are apart of his body as a projectile at a target that's his keke genki ninjutsu. The Shinju was using ninjutsu.William000 (talk) 22:17, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean it in the literal sense. I simply meant that the Shinju was just using it's "limbs" to absorb chakra. I only used taijutsu for lack of a better term. Also, everything Kimimaro did was taijutsu, except for shooting bones from his fingertips. His Kekkei Genkai is not ninjutsu or taijutsu it can be used for both, but was primarily used for taijustu by Kimimaro.--Marc Zaddy (talk) 05:45, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Marc, I'd appreciate if you didn't blatantly copy my argument from above topics and present it as your own. William, like Marc said, Kimimaro's kekkei genkai can be used for both ninjutsu and taijutsu. Out of all his canonical techniques, only one is considered ninjutsu, all others are classified as taijutsu. His Ten-Fingers Drilling Bullets was classified as taijutsu, the one which was ninjutsu was Dance of the Seedling Fern. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:05, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

I originally wanted to warn him that copying someone else' comments isn't nice, but shrugs, not my business, I'm not his parent--Elveonora (talk) 14:08, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Omnibender, I'm sorry if I offended you by stealing argument. But, I only did it to get your original point across. I figured if I restated something from a topic similar to this he would have noticed the answer was already there. Again, I apologize it won't happen again.--Marc Zaddy (talk) 01:15, September 13, 2013 (UTC)



In the most recent chapter, it says the God Tree got mad at the woman for stealing the chakra, but it's not supposed to have feelings. Is this simply an error? Zelwolf (talk) 16:01, September 11, 2013 (UTC)Zelwolf

Have you ever poked a dog with a stick and watched as it bit down onto your arm? Did you look at your arm, with a dog hanging off of it and think "Wow I really pissed it off."
Now imagine a sentient tree, and you poked it with a stick, followed by it growing ten tails and going on a worldwide rampage.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 16:34, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

But I thought the point of the Ten Tails was that it lacked feelings or ideals, so it couldn't be sentient. If you poked it with a stick, it wouldnt get angry, because it is not capable for it. Zelwolf (talk) 18:15, September 11, 2013 (UTC)Zelwolf

^This. Seelentau 愛 18:38, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kurama was seemingly wrong. Or perhaps it has no mind on its own while being a tree and only once its fruit got eaten it automatically transformed in response. Another contradiction is that it's supposedly source of all chakra, sucks chakra, has tailed beasts' chakras, yet it's natural energy alone and can't be sensed--Elveonora (talk) 20:57, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

It very well may be an error. Would it be possible to get the raws for a potential better translation? I'm sure it'll be exactly how it already is (an error), but there might be a minute difference. My money is on an error, though. In the real world, it is possible to not be sentient and yet still respond in an "angry" way, but the anger is only perceived by an outside perspective (a human observing something). But I doubt Kish is expressing that. Tl;dr - it is an error, most likely. --Taynio (talk) 21:07, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

This is my speculation alone, but natural energy seemingly allows shapeshifting stuff and a tree turned into humanoid creature with eye, ear, mouth, arms, etc. In my opinion in response to humans around it, in other words, it simply evolved and adapted to threat so took on form more alike its surroundings. So "it got mad" is simply an exaggeration, rather it was a defense mechanism like for example plants have in nature, without a brain and only then it gained consciousness over time--Elveonora (talk) 21:15, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

I like that theory, Elveonora. It makes sense. It still could just be Kish not thinking of what he said before about it, or Kurama was simply wrong. We'll never know probably Zelwolf (talk) 01:55, September 12, 2013 (UTC)Zelwolf

Kurama said that the Juubi was akin to a force of nature. What the princess did was basically trigger the butterfly effect by taking power away from nature and using it for the sole benefit of humanity. Nature is all about balance and when the princess gave humanity the potential to attain world peace, the forces of nature had to respond in a very big way. Basically the Juubi is an environmentalist's wet dream.Malcasablanca (talk) 09:01, September 15, 2013 (UTC)


IF we are sticking to call it the Shinju, it is incorrect to use the image of the Jūbi, either use the God-Tree picture or refer to it as the Ten-Tails. Besides, the God Tree is its true form. The silhouette is merely its second, humanoid form.--RexGodwin (talk) 05:45, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

But, they're the same entity. It's just that the Jubi is better known, so I don't see why we'd tag out that image for another one. The article is, however, missing an image of its original form.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 06:55, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

But whats the policy on this? as far as what profile/infobox image to use? The Shinju form is the original form, but the Original Jūbi is the one seen the most, but is only been seen as a silhouette, and depending on who you ask theres 2-3 forms of the incomplete Jūbi we've seen in the manga in detail.. Im thinking maybe we can use 2 pictures; one depicting the true/original form as the Shinju, and then the other as the complete/original Jūbi form?--RexGodwin (talk) 14:14, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

The picture of the silhouette is the first image we saw of it, the most recognizable, and seriously, it's a damn tree.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 14:18, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
Just use tabs to display both the Ten Tails and the tree it existed from. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:33, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
I see that opening all kinds of hell but i don't care at this moment. Tab it and see what happens next.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:55, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

And I mention again that "gedo mazo" "ten-tails" and "shinju" all are a single entity, so if we don't have a separate article for its tree form, so neither should we have for its weakened humanoid form--Elveonora (talk) 16:02, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

And we've been over that Elv. Again. And again. And again. The answer is still no. Like seriously.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 16:08, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
And it will be no forevermore, so I'd suggest not continually bring it up. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 20:59, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
Purposeful ignorance till the end I take it. It will eventually get merged anyway and deep down you know it, even without me pushing on you, be it 1000 years from now and regardless on you liking it or not, so why don't you just save yourselves the wrinkles and do so rather sooner than later?

"danger of testicular rupture imminent, seeking protective position for tactical and defensive purposes, cover found, commencing counterattack"--Elveonora (talk) 21:45, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

It won't. It never shall. Such is only a pipe dream that you possess. So, as has been told to you many times before. Drop it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 22:10, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
And I can't speak for Ten Tailed Fox, but your argument isn't even being considered unless you include the tailed beasts, at which point it would still wouldn't get far but it will at least raise an eyebrow as opposed to automatic no.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 00:24, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I agree with you. The Tailed Beasts are all technically just living masses of the Jūbi's chakra. They're still "the same being", just made physical. So why should they get articles? Because there is a fundamental difference between them and their "parent". The Gedo Mazō is a big corpse which was noted to even have different chakra than the Jūbi. The Shinju literally is the Jūbi. It was a tree, got pissed off, changed its shape into the Jūbi. It had the same chakra, same mind, same everything. The Gedo Mazō was a big empty husk, which was mindless (was never shown acting independently of the summoner), and had a completely different chakra signature than that of the beast. Hence, they shall never be merged. Ever. Until you can justify not merging the tailed beasts with the Jūbi, then I'm also with Ultimate. I won't even hear it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 03:19, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

The point was to have him futilely try and explain why not, and THEN drop that bomb on him Ten Tailed Fox >_>. Kinda jumped to gun on the delivery.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 07:19, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer NOT to have that argument again, so I just explained why it'd be pointless to carry it on >_> I think we'd all prefer to not have to hear that tired argument again. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 07:57, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

And here is where you are wrong:

  • Tailed Beasts and the Ten-Tails (or Shinju whatever)/"Demonic Statue" aren't the same being, they each have separate bodies, minds and souls of their own, the tailed beasts can exist independently, just like Kurama and Gyuuki are still there with the tree at the same time and by your logic, everyone in the alliance is now Naruto/Kurama/Minato since they have had their chakras.

Chakra alone doesn't make a living individual entity nor it turns someone into somebody else, they were given lives and forms. What you say is stupid from chakra perspective, spiritual perspective and even genetics. They aren't even the same in form, but even if they were, that wouldn't make them one either unless in your head identical twin siblings are 1 chick/guy.

  • Gedo Mazo isn't a corpse, never was. Corpses do not produce chakra, make noises and move and they usually do not need to be bind with chains shackles.
  • Chakra signature is moot and logical, most of its power was stripped away, of course it was different. Naruto and Sasuke's chakra signatures have changed as well as they "mature" so by your thoughts they must be different persons now.--Elveonora (talk) 11:07, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Or even better, all human chakra originates from the tree's fruit eaten by a woman, so by your logic all human characters and Shinju should be merged into a single article, they do not differ from tailed beasts in individuality.--Elveonora (talk) 11:26, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dear lord, baby Jesus, the old and new gods and by the titans of Azeroth. I'm actually visibly shocked and impressed you pressed on with an argument. Well that made my morning, I'm off to do more important things. Cheers then.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:31, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
By Khadgar's Pipe, I shall do the same, because expecting cooperation from your party is too much. It's plain ignorance, to be expected from an Orc.--Elveonora (talk) 12:07, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
Elve, it's not that they're considered separate. I said it before when I advocated that they remain separate: you have to understand that we need to have the best way to represent the information to readers. Consolidating the Gedo Mazo into the Ten-Tails/Shinju article would only serve to cause confusion so they're left separate. The Shinju wouldn't be a problem because it is all of one paragraph in an article. Also: Valar morghulis- I feel compelled to since everyone was saying fancy stuff.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:00, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
Well, according to our two colleagues above, they are separate entities, which is false. They also say Gedo Mazo was a corpse, which is false, it wouldn't be a character if it were dead at all in fact.--Elveonora (talk) 16:20, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: for the last time, Gedo Mazo was the Ten-Tails/Shinju. One doesn't get the beast/god/tree whatever by merging chakras of all 9 Tailed Beasts alone, the body (gedo mazo) is mandatory. The chakras only regenerate it. In body, mind and soul, this tree and all tailed beasts are each separate individuals, entities, characters, beings whatever terms aren't clear to ya @fox and @ultimate.

"Gedo Mazo" is no different than any other form/transformation of Jubi, we don't have a separate article for the Bulbasaur one neither the 1 eye, 1 mouth, 1 ear forms, it's no different--Elveonora (talk) 16:25, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Lawdy. Just let it alone. The info as it is now is not wrong, just represented in a preferred style. I could interject my own opinions on thism, but at the end of the day, none of that impacts either articles...--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:29, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Well, that was amusing. But as has been said a billion times already, and, apparently, needs to be said a billion more, we're not merging them. Take your pick of Cerez's reasons or ours, I don't care, but we're not merging them, so let it alone. I can't believe you're still arguing this. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 17:28, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Elve, clearly you're the only one who's making this case and clearly everyone decided not to merge the articles. That's it, no more need for discussion, it's done. Drop it. This entire discussion is pointless, fruitless and has nothing to do with the original topic whatsoever. --Mandon (talk) 19:48, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


In the current manga the Shinju's eye looks like the rinnegan without the tomoes? --Anamantiumninja (talk) 05:08, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

It's eye is the same as it always was, except it now has nine tomoe like it originally had.--Marc Zaddy (talk) 23:58, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
Think he means the mural recently shown this past chapter. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 00:01, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
Could be an error though it's done on two murals. Or it could be alluding to something else. We can only wait to see how that unfolds.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 00:08, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

On pages 9 and 10 on chapter 646, there aren't any. --Anamantiumninja (talk) 00:14, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Might be because it's a mural from ancient times. Look at things like cave paintings, they aren't as accurate as todays paintinges, either. Seelentau 愛 07:22, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Section rewrite

I'm new here so hesitant to rewrite a section of this article, but this part definitely needs improvement because it doesn't seem to make any actual sense and looks like a word jumble in places ("an amount portion of the fruit"? "serves as a neutral"?). I'm not even completely sure what the editor (whoever edited that bit in) was even trying to say, but it's really baffling:


YamiNarutoRendan (talk) 17:57, October 25, 2013 (UTC)Yaminarutorendan

I would go right ahead and edit that, as long as you word it nicely and keep your grammar and spelling in check. However, I don't really have the authorization you want. Though I'm sure if the admins see this they will let you.--Marc Zaddy (talk) 23:13, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox beast image

I don't see a good reason why a photo of a silhouette should be used over an actual photo of the beast itself that actually shows what it looks like. I know some people are falling under the assumption that the last form we saw wasn't it's final beast form because it doesn't have all of Kurama and Gyuki's chakra, which doesn't honestly make any sense to me since it's the form shown right before it's final transformation, so logically that would be it's final beast form. Besides all that, the silhouette looks more like it's initial form than anything. Thoughts? --Mandon (talk) 20:03, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

The beast has many forms, and actually, in the mural shown in Madara's explanation of the origins of the Sage of the Six Paths, the beasts "complete" form, looks more like the form we first saw, than the one it was in before it became the tree. Furthermore, the image in the infobox doesn't seem to depict any form we've seen currently, if we got by physique, as that one looks more Kurama's physique. I guess what I'm getting at is, we truthfully don't know what the Shinju's original "beast form" looks like (though, going by the mural, the closest one, like I said, would be the first "form" we saw), so the shadow is a better depiction than nitpicking as to which form we use. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 03:59, October 27, 2013 (UTC)
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