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Federal trial challenging Wisconsin's voter ID law underway

String of people describes problems getting IDs

A federal trial that could last as long as two weeks kicked off Monday over Wisconsin’s stalled voter ID law. »Read Full Article

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  1. "The case is being heard by U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman, a former Democratic state senator." . . . and a joke of a judge. Expect a long delay and a predictably partisan decision. Then expect a real decision from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
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  2. Let's jump on this before it fills up the comment section. If you have actual evidence of voter fraud in Wisconsin, post it as a response to this comment along with a link to your information or some source.
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  3. For those that say voter fraud is about suppression and that it barely if ever happens, post as a response to this comment. Let's see who provides the most evidence to back their claims.
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  4. Conservatives lost the luck of the draw, and consequently any chance for an impartial decision, with former democratic liberal senator, and now judge, Lynn Adelman. It's over before it began. They might as well start work on their appeal.
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  5. This law is about voter suppression, plain and simple. That why laws like this are only enacted in states with Republican majorities
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  6. "Voter fraud is real," Kawski said. "It is not a myth."

    However, when asked to produce evidence to support her claim, Kawski was unable to produce any.
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    • Because without ID and background checks, there is no reliable way to actually prove a voter is ineligible to vote.
    • Right now at many voting locations you need to show a WI driver license and sign a voter poll book. Your vote can be thrown out later if an irregularity is evident.

      -Where do you see background checks being pursued ???

      Franklin, you are wrong (I hope!) about voters being asked to see their DL. That should NOT be happening under current law.

      And once a ballot has gone into the tabulator, there is nothing that later "throws it out" (other than a 'draw down' related to absentees, which I am sure you're not referring to, and which happens pretty infrequently.)
    • @Franklin12:

      That's the next step after ID.

      Once everyone has to have an ID to vote, it's a simple matter to replace the paper poll-books with a PC and barcode scanner - and thus instantly verify eligibility & whether a person has already voted.

      Voter ID is the 'key' to truly cheating-proof elections.
    • The cost of voter fraud enormously outweighs the benefit of it. Who wants to risk being caught, find and slapped with a felony to change 0.000000001% of an election. It makes little sense.

      Plus, those actually caught and prosecuted for fraud have largely been felons WITH ID. VoterID wouldn't stop this but it would make a large group ineligible to vote which is a problem if you believe in democracy.
    • Dave, in case it had not occurred to you, the second, third, fourth, and fifth checkmark behind a name on the poll roll just might, for non-republicans, be a dead give away.

      Unless you are referring to those republican felons.
    • Dave: This sounds a lot like Rumsfeld's statement that an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
    • @robbies:

      The absence of proof that something exists is not proof that it doesn't.

      Particularly when one side is hell-bent on preventing any measures that would be capable of providing said proof.

      If you are so sure that there is no fraud, stop fighting voter ID & let us see what happens...

      It is a VERY common belief amongst Republicans, that the Democratic Party will not be able to win elections outside the Northeast & West Coast if ID is required nationwide, because the 'Party of Tammeny Hall' still relies on machine-politics & cheating to win in the rest of the country....
    • Gerrymander, destroy evidence off computers, implement Voter ID's, cut-back on DMV's operating times, cut-back on early-voting times...what more evidence does one need to see this is solely voter suppression at it's most highest.
    • Dave: Unlike many other posters in these pages, you make principled conservative/libertarian arguments. This is not one of them. This is a solution in search of a problem. The purpose of all of these laws and actions is to suppress the Democratic vote, especially in swing states and districts where 3% margins can turn an election. What Republicans believe is a lie, and they believe it because they want to believe it.

      There are no more "Tammany Hall" machines, and where there is anything like machine politics, for example in New Jersey, it is as likely to be Republican as Democratic.

      The only place that Democrats are not competitive is in the Confederacy and the plains and mountain states with small populations. Also approximately 1/3 of the population of the country lives in the Northeast and the West Coast. If the Democrats are not competitive, how did Obama win the election by a big margin, the Democrats kept control of the Senate in the midst of a deep recession, and they got 1.5 million more votes than the Republicans for the House.

      Finally, in a lot of your comments today, you claim Democratic "cheating." What are the examples? Current examples, not Boss Tweed and the Daley machine.
  7. Pennsylvania's GOP state chairman boasting how their voter ID was used to suppress voting:
  8. Former Florida state GOP chair boasts how voter ID is the GOP's ploy to suppress voting:
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  10. GOP Motto: If you can't win with policy win with smoke, mirrors and suppression.
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