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at the difference of those three dates the debt ceiling involves a great amount of money interested. i don't think that's conspiracy toreconspiracytoreal. would they have a say in those matters? i think so. >> i would agree that they're kicking it over to the senate. as we've seen in the last budget debates that we've had the senate is really the only body that can do anything or get anything done. that's where the compromise will happen. we'll see--the house will come up with their paul ryan budget on steroids that they're planning right now and the senate will have to find compromise or common ground that the white house can agree to as well, and then we'll be back where we were at the end of 2011. i think the republicans definitely do--are taking a moment to regroup so they can fight that battle, and it will be a similar battle to the ones we've seen before. >> cenk: grace wyler, michael shure, we appreciate it. mark my words, they will shut the government down. they will do whatever they need to do. they will be as obstinate as humanly possible. they will sacrifice everything, the republicans

. the debt ceiling increased the authority to borrow more money -- increase, the authority to borrow more money is all about future spending, which is part of the reason why some of us think this is a very sensible moment to try to bring some discipline to that future spending. and what would happen if we don't raise the debt ceiling right away? well, if we don't, we would have to have a 25% cut in all government spending, and that's -- that's pretty massive. that's pretty problematic. now, the administration and some actually go way overboard in the threats that they attach to this. they threaten to inflict the maximum possible economic damage if the debt ceiling isn't raised promptly upon the point at which they run out of their maneuvering room. so you hear threats about default on our debt and senior citizens won't get their social security check and our military folks won't get paid, all kinds of the most disruptive, most damaging and most dangerous kinds of outcomes are threatened by the administration. now, this is unnecessary, this isn't true, this isn't what would happen, but the

of this committee routinely voted to raise the debt ceiling during those years even though the money for the tax cuts and the wars was put on emergency basis for the purpose of hiding the costs. so i'm pleased that we're coming around to a more reasonable position today, and i hope that we're going to find a common path forward on many of these issues. mr. johnson, you state in your testimony that low unemployment depresses tax revenue, and this is the mayor reason for -- major reason for our current deficits and why they're so large. once the economy recovers fully and the unemployment rate is lowered, it certainly will take some of the pressure off of these discussions. acknowledging there are long-term challenges we have to address. i've opinion making this point inside of my own -- i've been making this point inside of my own caucus not to overreact to the situation we find ourselves, and if we could find that point forward that i referenced, we'd find you could have a conversation that would be worthwhile past the political talking points. now, getting americas back to work should be the nu

lanier. >> today the senate passed a bill that extends the debt ceiling, allowing the surgery department to borrow more money. it also requires congress to pass a budget and will withhold numbers pay intel they do so. harry reid says that he seeks to pass the bill in the senate. here's part of the debate of the bill. mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today in strong support of h.r. 325, the no budget, no pay act of 2013. this legislation directs members of the house and senate to adopt a budget resolution by april 15, 2013. if either body does not -- the speaker pro tempore: this house is not in order. please remove all conversations. the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. either body does not adopt a budget resolution by april 15, 2013, members ofhat body will have their pay withheld until they pass a budget. it's simple. no budget, no pay. the american people understand that they don't get paid if they don't do their job, and neither should member

allen was cleared of wrongdoing. the battle over the debt ceiling has been put off to another day because on this day the republican-controlled house voted 285-114 to allow the government to keep borrowing the money it needs to pay its bills through mid-may. the senate and the white house are expected to go along avoiding the threat of default that would rattle financial markets. in a survey of investors by bloomberg, 36% said america's fiscal woes are the biggest threat to the world economy, more than the 29% who named the european debt crisis. anthony mason is attending a meeting of world bankers in davos, switzerland. >> reporter: how strong do you think the u.s. economy actually is right now? >> i think the u.s. economy wants to be strong. >> reporter: but mary callahan erdoes says the bickering in washington is holding it back. erdos is one of the most powerful women on wall street. as c.e.o. of j.p. morgan asset management, she presides over $1.2 trillion in investments. >> the u.s. has to realize it's got so much going for it. let's just get ourselves to come together as a

safer, stronger and more secure. >> also out of d.c., a potential crisis over the debt ceiling. looks like it will be averted, at least until the spring. the republican-controlled house passed a bill allowing the government to avoid default and continue borrowing money and paying its bills until may. it also requires lawmakers in both chambers to pass a budget if they actually want to keep getting paid their salary. with the senate set to sign on house speaker john boehner credited the bill for forcing the democrats' hand. >> after four years i'm glad the senate has finally decided to act. because there is no indication that we're going to do a budget until we announced last week that we were going to move this bill that said pass a budget or no pay. >> paul ryan wears that orange tie a lot. boehner wears that green tie quite a bit. the democrat-controlled senate has not produced a detailed budget in 1,366 days. yesterday democratic leaders said the measure is actually a victory for the president. >> i'm not sure what happened at the house republican retreat last week, but it sure had

to come out then about mid may is the extension of the debt ceiling. but come back to your answer here, is that the motivation for harry reid not to produce a budget, he doesn't want to offend people? >> they d want to produce a budget because it makes you make choices. coming out of the 2010 election he was afraid and they were afraid of loosing their majority. they ae avoided every tough issue. we hardly did anything in the senate. when you have to budget you have to make decisions you can't speak in platte taoudz. that's why they've avoided doing a budget. think their time is up. they said they are going to produce a budget this year. that's important. look what we did this paul ryan's budget and how they beat it up. that's why they didn't want to produce one of their own. bill: it's my assumption that the senate produces a budget in april and it goes to the house and they say we are not moving on that. >> the normal process begins of negotiates where the two sides have to reconcile their differences in what they call a conference. this is the way this place is supposed to work not


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