

I love this quote from Penn Jillette and a wonderful interview.












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That's actually true.  I'm not held to an imposed theistic morality, but I think I treat the people around me, better than christians around me have treated me.  Some of them have no conscience.   Of course, they can do whatever they want because their god loves and forgives them.

This is not to claim that atheists are all moral upstanding citizens either.  there are good and bad, just as there are for theists.

Here is a gallery of "religious leaders" whose belief didn't stop them from committing crimes.  The actual list is endless.  I used to get google alerts on ministers arrested and convicted for crimes, but had to stop because it was flooding my inbasket.

Oh I agree! Sentinent the Xtian friends that I have (which is not many) don't treat me all that well. I treat them better than they treat me. They think they can go to god after what they do and ask forgiveness and then they just keep doing what they are doing.

Here's a former methodist pastor who was convicted for murdering his second wife.  He beat her to death with a crowbar.  He's expected to be tried for killing his first wife.  "



I guess belief in his god didn't stop him. 

That pastor is sick! And all those Catholic priests pedofiles. Their belief in a god never stops them from being evil.

Yet another reason I don't trust nor like(most) pastors.

Yes, and if you read the bible it's hard for people NOT to rape. Look at all the passages telling the Israelites---nay, COMMANDING them to rape all the women and girls while killing all the males even down to the babies. And telling the men to marry them afterwards is really pathetic! But religious people insist God must be free to do anything, even evil (because we poor mortals just can't understand his "plan")while we must obey him no matter what.I mean, how can religious people be so stupid? Worse, I was one myself. It would be laughable if it wasn't so pervasive.

Most people were something before they are what they are now.  If that makes any sense.  Life's journey can take us in directions others consider backward, sideways, or forward.  Here's to making your journey forward!

Remember that The Lord's Prayer is really a prayer to god. It has the words "and lead us not into temptation." If we would cease to be delusional and drop al the apologetics it would have to mean that people believed that god was leading them into temptation. The modern christian cannot see that god was such a devil that way! He trys and tests us all the time, but IF we believed we could be forgiven! Oh, Halle New Year!

When I was a believer, I always wondered about that phrase "and lead us not into temptation."  Mormons don't teach that he does, even though the bibble does.  They say the bible is the word of god as far as it is translated correctly.  A convenient out for them when any of the hundreds of stupidities are pointed to.

PS: like "Halle New Year!  It went into my "IMAGINARY FRIEND" file, along with such goodies as "In Grilled Cheesus name, Christ on a Crooked Crutch!, and many more.  Started that file because of my bad memory.  Now if I could only remember to use it.

Some religious people would insist that it's against God's nature to do anything evil. If so, the Bible and other scriptures -- and many dicta upheld by devout believers even in the 21st century -- are FAR from that "good nature"!

Much simpler to just treat all of that as what it is: the creation of human beings.

Good one Penn!

And then you have people like Constantine, who was told that when he would become a Christian, all of his sins would be forgivin. Since he had a few days intil the forgiveness, he decided to rack up a lot of points by raping and pillaging. After all, if you are going to be forgiven anyhow, why not do it?!


Which is really the reverse side of the argument: if you believe that you will be forgiven for your sins, why don't you sin? ;)


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