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RE: April Fools?
By rum on 4/1/2008 10:06:40 AM , Rating: 1
Don't we have to have 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth to be considered in a recession, and we haven't been there yet.

yes the credit and housing markets are somewhat in turmoil, but that is mainly of their own doing.

We are not near a depression, yet, but if the MSM keeps up their chanting about one, they could sure create something of one.

People need to look and see the markets aren't that bad, not what the MSM tells you.

RE: April Fools?
By RjBass on 4/1/08, Rating: -1
RE: April Fools?
By JustTom on 4/1/2008 11:17:27 AM , Rating: 3
All leading economists? Hardly. All economists wouldn't agree on the color of the sky.

Do you even know what a recession is? Or a depression? Perhaps you should ask your fiance.

There has not been one quarter of negative growth let alone 2, and there certainly is not high unemployment or falling prices.

We are certainly in an economic downturn, which probably will lead to a recession but the chances of entering a depression are rather slim.

RE: April Fools?
By OxBow on 4/1/2008 11:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
It's obvious that we're in a very bad recession. Granted, the numbers for last quarter aren't out yet, but every measurement they're based on has been released and they all show up dreadfully negative. Most economists are projecting this to rival the recession of the late 70s, which I doubt many of you can remember.

Austin is going to have it bad with this. Although most of Texas was better insulated from the housing bubble, Austin was not, so they're already hurting. Drop 8,800 unemployed on the town (just about 1% of their permanent population) and it doesn't bode well at all.

There's no doubt a that you'll be seeing a whole lot of blues on Austin City Limits.

RE: April Fools?
By JustTom on 4/1/2008 1:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
``We are in a very sluggish economy that's barely growing at all, but it is not in a deep recession,'' said David Resler, chief economist at Nomura Securities International Inc. in New York. ``It looks nothing like a free-fall environment.''
Stern's View

``It's clear the economy is growing little if at all,'' Fed Bank of Minneapolis President Gary Stern said after a speech at the European Economics and Financial Centre in London on March 27. ``The consensus is that it could improve in the second half. But if headwinds pick up, it could be more subdued than that.''

I lived through the recession of the late 70's, and what is going on has little resemblance to then. In 1979 the misery index – inflation + unemployment stood at 17.07, in 1980 it was 20.76, and in 1981 it was 17.97; the index today stands at 8.83.

RE: April Fools?
By bpurkapi on 4/1/2008 2:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
There are definitely falling prices. Recently a news story was run on the willingness of big box stores to negotiate prices. I don't think we are that bad off, but certain sectors are freaking out. What worries me is the future of our economy, people have houses with less equity, cars that still chug gas, and debt up to their ears. These are all problematic. Factor in a weak dollar and rising prices for fuel, food, and education. The US economy is at a critical moment where things could easily move towards a recession. Global competition for jobs also makes getting out of a recession difficult.

RE: April Fools?
By omnicronx on 4/1/2008 11:34:36 AM , Rating: 2
Get your head of the dirt, just because some economists have predicted a full blown recession doesn't not mean it will happen, and it sure as hell has not hit that point as of yet.

Open your eyes are realize at best they are making an educated guess. They are wrong just as much as they are right and Most of the time you will have just as many people arguing against as for.

Don't get me wrong the economy is on a downslope, but its far from the 'get your head out of the sand, we are already in a major depression' that you are making it out to be.

RE: April Fools?
By rum on 4/1/2008 12:31:22 PM , Rating: 2
Wow get rated down because your so called economists and fiance say differently than I do??

Gee the economists I have read articles from say we aren't in a recession yet, and it would have to be a lot worse to hit a depression.

We aren't even close to the double digit inflation, gas lines, unemployment of the Carter Administration. NO WHERE NEAR IT.

I wouldn't be taking too much advice from your Fiance if she is claiming we are heading into a depression, when all our economic indicators are all better than they were in the late 70's during Carters Administration.

Yes I was around then, and I remember the gas lines and people complaining because gas hit 70 cents a gallon. Lets not forget the gas rationing and the heavy duty inflation that kept the economy down. People were just happy to have a job then.

It is sad to see another American company closing down shop in America to run to a foreign country to get cheaper labor, but that isn't a sign of recession it is a sign of greed, that started back during the Clinton administration of the 90's.

If you are going to talk doom and gloom, you should make sure that there is doom and gloom abounding about, and not political rhetoric from any side to get one side in power.

RE: April Fools?
By FITCamaro on 4/1/2008 2:26:51 PM , Rating: 2
including my fiance

Ah well that must make it imaginary dog says we're not so does that count as much as her vote?

The fact is it has been shown that 90% of what determines what happens is what people are made to believe will happen. If the media makes people believe we are in a recession (as they're happy to do because bad news is good news), we'll likely go into one. If they don't, then we're less likely to. Breeding fear that everything is about to collapse will cause it to because everyone will stop doing things. I'm not saying to go out and take every risk you can, but I don't think people need to stop investing, stop shopping entirely, etc.

One thing that I do think could actually worsen things is the Democrats repealing the tax cuts. One because it means those of us who actually pay taxes will have less to spend. Two because it means we have less to invest. And three because it will also repeal some of the cuts on the capitol gains tax which further discourages investing.

People's votes will determine that though. So if you like getting less of your paycheck (or don't care because hey, you don't pay taxes anyway), vote for Obama, Hillary, and any other Democrat in favor of repealing the tax cuts.

RE: April Fools?
By Ringold on 4/2/2008 10:08:43 PM , Rating: 2
JustTom said everything I'd of said, so no point rehashing that. To JustTom: Democrats, liberals, and other extremists, unfortunately, are not interested in statistics, historical comparisons, or anything else -- unless it serves their purposes. :(

I got on the horn with my life-long Democrat mother earlier today, and mentioned the positive ADP jobs report for March; "I don't want to hear that right-wing propaganda."


FIT, read this:,2933,343671,00.html

The power of the MSM is.. depressing. Those people have the OP eating out of the palm of their hand.

