Meeting Notes 2012 07 31

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The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge Note-taker: User:Malaclyps Danny Moderator: User:Zephry Zephyr

Introduction and Names

  • Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
    • What's your name,
    • are you a member,
    • what do you do, and
  • Zephyr
  • Carlos -- I'm working on libnotify
  • Nick -- I'm using a javascript database.
  • Alex -- makes Code Hero.
  • Danny -- I'm writing this sentence.
  • Leif -- I'm interested in counterantidisintermediation.
  • Andrew -- UI designer.

Short Announcements


New or Stale Events

  • Is there anything new happening at the space?
  • Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?

Membership Binder

  • Anyone eligible to join this week should
    • introduce themselves,
    • answer any questions members may have for them, then
  • Remember to applaud new members when they return.

Financial Report

  • Funds in bank: I think we're doing okay.
  • Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of
    • There are $1974.25 earmarked NoiseTor funds
    • Colo service has been paid through Jul 7, 2012

Consensus items


Proposals from last week

(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the Consensus Items History page.) Malaclypse: worried that if we spent 10g on party + sent someone to singapore, he'd feel guilty because he works w/ foundation. So this 10 grand will go to our prudent reserve. So wouldn't sepent it on specific projuects, just 2 months' rent. Other objection: Teal foundation connected to peter teal, and p teal connected to overbone? and overbone connectedc to the legbone and + connected to datamining for THE MAN (i.e. u.$. govt) Leif: Fact that Teal works for state not his objection, more that bofa said when someone should hack ... tea had their name on a very bad idea, that was the first he heard of them. also not a fan of teal's wealth: paypal + facebook. agreed long ago at last meetings to stand aside but thinks we really, really shoyldn't do this, not as no-straigs as it's being made to sound. understand we can pay a rent,disingenuous, but if they wanted to sue, which he doesn't think they do, they could. and it's important to understand that we are entereing into a contract that says this 10g is only for operating expenses + we can give them a receipt, but that doesn't make me feel any better about this. Don't see a problem. That's wthat they *want* us to spend it on. Leif: But we'rre ALREADY paying our rent. Can use other donations for other things. macl: countrer thing is: by saying " i love peter teal" worked w/ teal found a lot in past couple of hyears, not sure he can speak to many diff conexxtions to everybody else, but i can really say they would be totally happy spending this on rent, i'm totally happy being the person saying we spent it on rent, i have a continuing relationship with them so i would lose a lot more than just getting sued as a board memeber, so willing to put a lot more than that on the line for this, including my current job Alex: dealings w/ paypal mafia at hackmeet a while ago. a friend of his "hazed" him for wearing "hack the future" shirt. feels bad being associated with tear on the face of it, but the shirt is for an org called hack the furuture and a bunch of ppl work at , just hackers like us who happen to work for a shady company. asked him str8 up, "aht the hell? how do you wepxlain your won actions?" said they wanted to make this softwae to make sure no one would abuse sw like it. But ther's a thing this is about, which is the 20 under 20... sepeaking tomororw at hackademic camp. unschooling folks...originally asked by danielle abt coming to nb, sorry, really busy. hasn't seen contract till tonight but only has obligation of 1 501c3 to another teal fellowship is just a bunch of smart kids under 20, and we should welcome them. i hope when someone saysd, "I heard about this from the teal fellowship," they we don't attack the n00bs. There's the utiopian positive arm of tf, and then abi evil capitalist arm, but utopians are awesome. OTher thing brough upt , tshirt as example, fact that you're wearing it "exuses them" because using alex' social capital of wearing shirt. Malc: different from the teal foundation also don't thing tf is particularly interested in riding off nb's social capital or would even think of it malc: they have plenty alex: when there's a drecte "his is going into bed with this" but it's enough places removed it shouldn't be an issue. used to black-marker all m$ logos off shirts but hasn't gotten around to it w/ hack/future t's. Malac: proposes putting up for consensus. Leif: stops paying nb dues for 1 yr. will probably spend his personal surplus on nb projects mod: proposals for next week... Malaclyps: No, no, no! Consensus! You need to do the magic words. Stand aside? Block? As such, it is the consensus of Noisebridge that we are taking this money. Malac: Yuck! @: Do-overs? feels like ppl really want to use the money to do "something" Is that consensus? I don't think it is. Is anybody about taking this money? Alex: I am! Formally noted what it is spent for Snail: + we don't have long discussions on what it's spent on malc: prooposes it's the con Trying to find wording that makes us feel better abt taking $$$. If we're worried it's not consesnsus we should do it. Worried Leif + Carlos aren't happy. Carl0s: Agreesw/ lief. Alex: Missed last discussion, doesn't want to rehash, but what in particular abt him? carlos: feels like it's another individual whos washing their money w/ a nonprofit. happens a lot in the bay. i cannot assure to you that peter does that, but don¿'t ahve time nor tinfo for that, but as individula wantys to defend himself w/ facts, what is really going on? malac: heard it was a sort of $$ laundering tax dodge; this isn't how tax dodges work, hee doesn't pay any less tax leif: him, no but his foundations chairtable found very much a tax shaleter, maybe pejeorative + legal, but it's true he's a wealthey libertarian. all lbillionaries have nonprofits + it's not because they're all really nice ppl. rul is they have to spent 5% of total vlalue + don't pay taxes on profit from investments so he can give away + invest in for-profit enterprisees his wealth is in this foundation, no? doesn't actually work that way. for instandce if i'm 501ce + you decide y0ou're going to invest in an, tere is intese shit you ahve to go thru w/ board. it's not his money, board controls it. but there are multi-gemneraltional keeping-it-in-fam $$$, but this is 1st gen. no, he doesn't pay taxes, but it's not really his money anymore, even if he gets director's salary. what you say on multigen level what leif says has merit but in single gen doesn't work that way mod: have we arrived at any new conclusions abt stance? carl: nothing against ... but nb really believescan really succedd independ..} malac: i do to.. iv'e been wavering on this too, and i think the thing that conveinced me is to push this more was that we get a fair bit of our money that we use on a regular basis from cheques of this size, maybe not quite, but 1 months aog we got one fro 1000 bux from silicon valley charity, so it's my feelthing that his money, aside from this contract that we have to sign is pretty much part of the ebb and flow of money that we get, and how we get moneys is to get donations like this. agrees we need to maintina tindependence, but our independence edependads on sporadic charity of individuals like this + doesn't really change how we work. alex: reason for previous statement: not a great outcome if wevery1 feels like this is dirty money + theese are bad people. all these supersci save-the-workd type of projects .. doesnt' thingk they're evil + thikns if a buncyh of ppl from 20 u 20 show up, it's s good source of new awesome hackers, and there's a bunch of peopel from paluntree r who show up to use nb. ñeif: s welcome as anyone else to use nb, + they re wlcome to be members but that's not related to thte granty. other than being its reason for existing. alac. like to try to rejoin the consesnsus, rewored to say we'¿re going to use $$$ exclusifvely for paying rent why not jus t break it donw + pay a bit of 12 mos rent? does any1 have objections to moving on? leif: shoul write doewn how many ppl are standing aside: at least 2 + maybe more... 4 two wks ago, and malac withdrew it malac: because if there were 4 stand asides we should talk abt it some more. not as a threat, but i'm only doing it this week because there was a strong consensus that he should do it one more wk but he's not going to bring this up again. and they're totally fie either way. anyone else awnt to voice? no one want ts of have 10 mmeeeting to talking abt what to do with 10000$. we have agone to 4 with this Standing aside: Leif, Carlos, El Presidente - doesn't want her executive powers to present a conflict of interest.


Proposals for next week


Discussion Items


End of Meeting

  • Return the membership binder to it's rightful location.

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