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[–]ThatKyleFellowNa Silver I Top/Jungler 1 point2 points ago


If you're Riven vs Kennen - your power spike at level 2 and 3 is greater then his. Wait for Kennen to burn either his lightning rush or his W. This makes him weaker as he doesn't have one of his primary abilities (Perferably wait for the W.) and go for the Q -AA-Q-AA-W-AA-Q-AA combo and back off. If you have a shield just put balance your auto attack as you see fit. If you're worried about your sustain go cloth 5. Even though he does magic damage the extra armour will take a decent chunk of attack damage off. If you're still not doing well grab a hex drinker and then build the blood thirster and focus on farming. Don't push the lane and save your shield for his harasses. Call for jungler when you want to go all in. Once you hit Level 6 you should go pretty aggressive until he wastes atleast his W and his Q or the jungler is around.

Riven vs Quinn: You will have to wait for 3 to engage if you're losing already, once you have all 4 dashes and your stun you can pretty much bully her out even with her dash backwards as you should win almost all exchanges with her. Ward accordingly and if you're that worried go cloth 5. personally I'd go red pot and health potions because I don't see this lane being a counter as quinn is very squishy early.

Riven vs Jayce: This is a tough one. A good jayce will not let you anywhere near him and poke you from a far. Go full sustain and start cloth pots. When you go back get a chain vest if you're losing still and THEN build damage. Once you hit 6 you have a huge power spike and Jayce does not. This might be your time to test your 1v1 power against him. Wait for him to switch forms then go all in, if he has is Hammer and E up you probably will have a hard time catching him without burning flash. But if you can get a lock down on jayce you should be able to beat him in a 1v1 with ult and ignite up. Don't forget to sheild yourself from his poke with your minions. You should farm under tower most of the lane if he uses his abilities to poke he will push his lane.

Wukong vs Kennen or Quinn: I group these up similarly because Wukong has a lovely little trick for poking damage against these guys. Wukong can out harass these guys by maxing Q and then goin in like this E>>AA>AA>Q>W or if you're afraid of taking too much damage E>AA>Q>W this is a lovely little bit of burst damage and they can't return much because you have cloned away. if you do this quick enough you will do a decent chunck of damage and take 1-2 spells at max like earlier, it's better to wait for them to waste a damage ability then go in then risk it being used on you. Once you hit 6 Quinn and Kennen can both escape from your ult so only use it if you know the damage you use can land you the kill before they can get away.

Wukong vs Jayce: Start either defensively or go for a damage route with longsword or your favorite sustain. Typically I would go Rejuv ward and health pots and then farm until I get ganks. Wukong while strong is susceptible to Jayce, even while invis a good jayce and follow you and poke you down after your burst. Wait for a gank, ward lane. Let him push and farm under tower. Junglers are a big help for this lane. Even bring teleport if you need too and build defense and get ready for level 6. Level 6 jayce has no means of escaping from you except E'ing you away. If your jungler is around with your ult he should go down pretty easily. Even while behind wukong is great in team fights, remember damage is good but to be able to withstand what your oppenent can dish out at you is better.

Irelia vs Kennen: Start rejuv bead, ward, health pots. Max W and use your Q for last hitting. Don't try to engage on kennen unless a major damage spell is down. When you do, activate W>Q>AA>E>AA and keep autoing unless he can return the damage. You should out trade him and sustain most of his damage. Remember to keep a health pot active even when you're at 80% health. The only reason not to use a health pot when missing health is if it's either below 150 or you can heal the hits back with your autos for free. Build an early wardens mail and merc treads if you're farming well then go for your damage route, he should have a hard time dealing with you.

Irelia vs Quinn: She's easy. With Armour yellows, 9/21/0 Masteries and cloth start, she can't do much to you. If she is, grab a doran's shield and another cloth armour then she should just tickle you as you farm. When she uses her Q on you, Dash to her with Q active, E her, activate W and auto her. The reason we don't activae the W before Q is we want her to waste her little burst on us first so we can stun her, sure her blind is good but you can wait it out but your passive + merc treads shorten it. If she has less health then you, activate W and Q to her and then E and orb walk her. Lane should be fairly easy, quinn gets chewed up by tanky characters with gap closers.

Irelia vs Jayce: Rejuv + pots and ward. Don't engage on him until he switches forms and has CD's so he can't E you away in hammer form. you should be able to sustain his harass with a little armour built up. I don't think Jayce can beat Irelia pretty easy, either let him push you into tower or push him into his after you hit 6. You scale better into late game then him, focus on farming and denying jayce farm. Harass jayce when his CC goes on CD. Ward, call for extra help from jungler. Thing should be fine.

I hope this helped a bit, don't take my exact words for it, this is just the stuff I would do in these situations. If you find a better way, by all means do it. HAPPY TOP LANING!

If you are a better top laner then me and find some flaws, please post them. I'm not saying I'm a top tier high level player. I'm just the average joe that has a past time and likes to try to help out! Do not be mad at me for being wrong on paper, I just wanted to help out.

[–]Jacuzzi9 0 points1 point ago


You have stronger early game than any ranged champion, especially based off those three you listed. You should typically play aggressive and go for early kills against them so you can get a decent lead to the point where the ranged poke doesn't bother you.

[–]Dsler[S] 0 points1 point ago


The problem with that for me is just that even at level 1 I get poked extremely badly and end up behind from the get go.

[–]Jacuzzi9 1 point2 points ago


Don't get level 1 poked then. If you have to let a few CS go early on so you can have the HP to be aggressive at level 2 then give it up. I don't even mean be super aggressive, just make it a point to trade with them when they poke you so they don't get free damage on you.

If you don't want to be aggressive you can always start with defensive items like cloth/5 or rejuv bead/pots/ward and ask for a gank. Their lane usually pushes since they're last hitting from a safe distance so let your jungler know ahead of time so he can try to gank as the lane gets pushed.

[–]HamsterHueyGK 0 points1 point ago


Attack when one of your creeps is low health and they're about to spend one AA taking that creep. Do what you safely can (which may or may not be much) then back off.

Use the top grass for safety.

Use armor yellow runes.

Knowing your enemy's cooldowns is challenging but can make a difference.

Remember melees generally have a larger health base than ranged.

Try not to take much creep damage when you harass.

Keep creeps between you to block their skillshots, or bait their abilities by acting like you're stepping out from protection when you're really not.

[–]drkitteh 0 points1 point ago


If you're getting absolutely shat on, you can let them push and farm under turret. It's fairly safe, and leaves your opponent more open to ganks.

[–]HamsterHueyGK 0 points1 point ago


Unfortunately you will miss some cs to the tower but it's better than dying. Hopefully they don't poke and dive successfully.

He's right, call for jungler if you're pushed back to your tower and the jungler is at blue buff or wolves (blue team).

[–]Shrailan 0 points1 point ago


I disagree with this, even if you can farm perfectly under tower, as a melee champion you open yourself up to free harass from a ranged one as you farm.

Especially early game, where the extra minions they have killed will give them a level advantage and allow them to hit you pretty hard as you cs.

[–]iireazontraziz - OCE / iireazon - NA 0 points1 point ago


Usually when you have a weaker early game or are more prone to harass you want to be staying in the top brush as much as possible. Eg stay in the brush - go out a get a cs - go back int the brush. I you thibk you'll take more than 100hp of damage the cs is not worth it.

Also when they harass you they'll automatically push lane so giving you opportunity to farm and are more susceptible to ganks