Snowden's Laptops May Hold 'Extremely Sensitive' Details About NSA-CIA 'Black Bag Jobs' en-us Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 05:35:02 -0400 Michael Kelley geral Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:39:49 -0400 'Extremely sensitive' means evidence of fbi/cia/nsa crimes against humanity, torture, murder, etc. So long as the United States is at war, their power is preserved, and now that they have attained empire the USA must expand the war or fall, for the arts of peace they know nothing and have never engaged in any employment higher than torture & war. Aristotle. For Our Brothers: See my reports on USA's efforts at *world inhumane domination; note that all USA prisoners of war are microchipped <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> and most are targeted for assassination (usually by drones) after learning of activities and associates of the subject. United States assassins now use torture & threat of torture (fear) pervasively: <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> or: <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> * <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> The united states of america is now forever known as the BEAST, the BrainEntrAinmentSTate, a country w/o conscience, a people w/o heart who are cursed with a national character predominantly w/o soul : <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> ibsteve2u Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:54:20 -0400 Doubtful...doubt that "People" even wonder about the passive RFID tags that are in so much of what stores sell...or about the Android, Apple, and Windows applications which will courteously supply either your guessed-by-IP-addy - or even your pinpointed-by-GPS - location to any application vendor or website (or [...]) that bothers to ask for it... Colonel Kurtz Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:23:21 -0400 Being as it's been well known for quite a while that it's a constant game of Cat And Mouse, Move/Counter-Move; we should have gone back to some form of physical Couriers, for certain types of Info., quite a while ago, and/or info. kept in completely restricted and controlled locations, in-person viewing ONLY. Colonel Kurtz Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:12:54 -0400 Being a Security Man for a long, long time, the Habit Americans seem to have of waiting to Lock The Barn Door AFTER the Cows have already run off..... never ceases to Amaze me. Convenience of Access was considered more important than Security of the info.? Still just can't wrap my mind around the fact that the system architecture allowed this to happen at all. colonel Kurtz Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:04:57 -0400 Well, I just watched the CISCO commercial on TV about how some store that looks like Home Depot; just an example of course can now make use of comprehensive systems, to begin tracking people out in the parking lot, just as soon as they start pushing a cart, or track the smart phones as soon as they enter the Mall or parking lot. Are "People" paying attention to all this, or what? Semper Fido Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:48:06 -0400 That, it will. If we're good at anything, it's long memories, and making it hurt. Semper Fido Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:43:41 -0400 Well, this IS certainly double plus ungood. Jonathan P Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:59:26 -0400 The G-man conspicuously handcuffed to his briefcase was a popular trope in spy shows of the not-too-distant past. What kind of moron would let computers out of their physical control to be molested by all and sundry by checking them in their baggage? Why would you write such obvious, unthinking innuendo if you weren't on the take? ibsteve2u Thu, 18 Jul 2013 22:26:27 -0400 I WAY should have said "a state that is interested in not just strategic vulnerabilities in terms of military power but in harvesting technical/engineering/patent/financial information..." ibsteve2u Thu, 18 Jul 2013 22:22:08 -0400 I get a kick out of the enormous kerfluffle over recently "revealed" (ahem) NSA/CIA data harvesting activities. Me, I've been involved with technology one way or another will be 40 years next year. Me, I know that anything that uses integrated circuits (uh, "chips") is only as secure as the physical contents (the circuits) of ALL of its "chips" and/or the microcode within programmable chips (whether those chips say they're of the programmable variety on the outside or not). For all you know (unless you have a sniffer between yourself and the Internet), your computers/cell phones are CONSTANTLY providing one or more governments updates on your activities... I would be remiss if I didn't observe that U.S. corporations - in their haste to make their CEOs, executive suites, and major shareholders even richer - increasingly rely upon chips manufactured in...well, pick a state that has both the motivation and a record of being even nibbier than the NSA...a state that is interested in not just strategic vulnerabilities in terms of military power but in harvesting technical/engineering/patent information... If you want to amuse yourself, install Wireshark on a computer with a network adapter capable of promiscuous mode and then put a hub (not switch) between your network/computer and your cable modem...then hang the Wireshark-equipped computer off another port of the same hub and then have Wireshark start capturing traffic... ibsteve2u Thu, 18 Jul 2013 22:06:15 -0400 Bet you your network guy would say something about using (different) proxy servers if you asked how effective blocking an IP addy would be... ferret Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:00:05 -0400 That is tamerlan on the ground and that is tamerlan stripped naked being put into the police car and they killed him, and the boston police have lied about everthing in regards to the false flag of the boston bombing. Go to you tube and watch the video where larry silverstein admits he gave the order to demo world trade center building 7 and wtc building 6 was blown up just seconds before the first plane hit the towers, and go to AE911TRUTH.ORG and WILLIAM 911.COM and then come back here and explain how wtc buildings 6 and 7 and the twin towers were destroyed, and never in the history of the world has a fire caused a steel structured building to collapse, you can do the research it is a fact, back to you ace. ferret Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:52:59 -0400 I understand that, but the spam deal is in my opinion hypocritical, just say the comment is rejected, and again anything I comment on can be backed up by research, I do not post anything that can not be backed up , and again you guys can delete anything you want, but again just say comment is rejected, seems more up front to me. Michael Kelley Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:12:17 -0400 Think of it this way: If we wanted to block you from expressing your opinion, we would block your IP. lukmanleong Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:13:52 -0400 and some porns A Random German Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:11:42 -0400 Not a theory. It is a fact. The trojan was build by a business corp. which sold this to swizerland and austria too and some others. This trojan package was used for survailance in drug related and child porn cases. The major blow was that this software could load additional tools enabling the operator to alter and add files to the computer. This made the whole stuff worthless and as far as I got it, they had to redo court stuff and set people free. Noone was able to verify the files on their harddrives was not added by the operator of the trojan. Gave a mayor uproar last year or two years before... was fun to watch. ferret's a moron Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:11:24 -0400 Speaking of roman candles, if idiocy was flammable ferret would be the biggest roman candle the U.S. had ever seen. There was a guy in Boston that was on the ground and they arrested a naked guy. But it wasn't Tamerlan. It didn't even look like him. There's plenty of video. The police immediately said it was another guy. kellydorsey8 Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:55:19 -0400 Our tax financed government does "black bag jobs," "surreptitious entries," or "off-net operations" to Americans and our allies. What a beacon of liberty and freedom.. Infrequentguest Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:18:23 -0400 Interesting theory. ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:27:35 -0400 Correction, explain the larry silverstein video on you tube on pulling wtc building 7. ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:17:40 -0400 in regards to the false flag at boston , google DHS admits they had a bomb drill planned for boston, and on the morning of the bombing the boston globe announced there would be a bomb drill across from the city library which puts it at the area of the marathon finish line. The brothers had no weapons, no guns, never made any attempt to flee as they had done nothing wrong, they did not rob a 711 margaret chablis spokeswoman for 711 stated on the record they did not rob a 711. Tamerlan is shown on one video on the ground being arrested and shown on another video naked being put into a police car and never seen alive again, they killed him. Dzhokhar is shown climbing out of the boat in good health no blood on his face or throat or clothes and the next picture shows him on the ground bleeding from the nose, mouth and throat surrounded by the ones who cut his throat, he was supposed to die but survived, and in court he has a broken arm and a swollen face, they broke his arm and beat him up in custody to make him confess to a crime he is innocent of. Ibragim todashev their friend was visted by five FBI and shot and killed they shot him 7 times, and he was unarmed, the FBI murdered him. BACK TO YOU ALPHA. ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:08:51 -0400 Explain the demo of wtc buildings 6 and 7 and explain the larry silverman video on you tube where he says he gave the order to pull ie demo wtc b7, and of course it was prewired as were the rest, and the twin towers exploded upward and outward like a roman candle, there is no way in hell this was collapse and never in the history of the world has a fire caused a steel structured high rise to collapse, check AE911TRUTH.ORG AND WILLIAM 911.COM. Debra JM Smith Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:58:28 -0400 The NSA should have no problem finding out. x Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:48:47 -0400 Lots of ways to skin a cat.... Alpha Directed Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:56:20 -0400 ... Lol. Right. Because the ultra honest Germans could nnnnnever do anything like that. --- German government accused of spying on citizens with state-sponsored Trojan Summary: A well-established group of German hackers has accused the German government of releasing a backdoor Trojan into the wild. Security firm F-Secure has confirmed that the program includes a keylogger and code that can take screenshots and record audio. A well-established group of German hackers, the Chaos Computer Club, has accused the German government of releasing a backdoor Trojan into the wild. According to Mikko Hypponen of F-Secure, the announcement was made public on the group's website in the form of a 20-page PDF (in German). The accompanying English-language post claims the group reverse-engineered and analyzed the program, which it calls "a 'lawful interception' malware program used by German police forces". Grive Credit Where its Due Steve Blank Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:44:16 -0400 I wrote this before Steve worte his article. Guess:Hardware Mods To Processor/Communication Chips? on Jul 13, 5:53 PM said: @Jack Burton: If i were a spook, not only would i modify the software but put in back doors into the Integrated Circuits, Processors & Ethernet chips. All heavenly encrypted so now one else even knows they exist. Its surprising that no one has asked H/W developers if they too work with the NSA/FBI/Dev-l. Intel? Cisco? <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> Alpha Directed Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:42:27 -0400 ... What do I say? You're "evidence" is bogus, misleading and obviously wrong. Need more proof? Remember the government guys at the Boston scene, the guys in the ball caps and the backpacks? You and other conspiracist say they did it. OK. So why would they then stick around, show their face to a million camera shots, line up behind a US Govt vehicle with a SAT uplink right at the finish line AKA the crime scene -- and of course, be photographed over and over including their bare faces? Why? Why because the two dimwitted brothers actually did it and the agents were a US Govt response team assigned to a high profile event. That's why. Why don't you admit those same govt agents, were photographed holding and removing radiological measuring devices out of their backpack? Huh? That's right, they were photographed measuring and looking for radiation. WHY if they did it, would they measuring for radiation if they were the ones that made the weapons? Duh... Furthermore, Mr. Rolling Stone has supposedly already confessed, the defense will ask for his life to be spared because they're going to blame it all on the dipshit older brother. How can you know more than the guy that did the actual crime and confessed??????? Alpha Directed Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:33:11 -0400 ... My past military experience. The reason the US is so good at being a military power is because we plan, plan, plan some more, simulate, build in options, plan some more, execute and then debrief which cycles into the next mission planning profile. My squadron interacted with the Navy. The mission planning for our routine operations included logistics, maintenance, personnel, security, billets and others. This was the AF side alone. Then we had meetings involving the interaction with the Navy, their mission, how when and where were we going to execute. Then we'd build in all sorts of fail overs in case the aircraft had to divert for mechanical reasons, weather, hell everything under the sun like crew member ill while in the air. This included setting up all alternate scenarios on all the bases within our mission radius in case we needed to divert. Then we discussed how the mission would progress if we had to divert because we were a mission critical operation. This involved scrambling a hot bird sitting on alert. This meant those crews, maintenance etc would be on alert status and of course briefed over and over much in advance. We then filed flight plans that would be seen by ATC because we ingressed / egressed through commercial space. There were literally hundreds of people, across many agencies, two branches of the service and civilian authorities -- simultaneously and constantly briefed on our mission. If somebody thinks there is some dark room that 2-3 guys sit in chain smoking cigarettes, push a few buttons and then execute a hugely complex plan like the 9/11 situation, they have a childish understanding how our government / military actually works. Another example. Everybody in the military has more than one job. My secondary task was NBC (nuclear biological contamination) response. We drilled very often on what the base were to do if we were attacked. This included thousands of personnel actually showing up, dawning NBC gear, then conducting your mission and moving to safe (relatively) buildings to decontaminate and seek shelter. One building we ran, we were supposed to move people into had a certain 3 letter government organization taking up a huge floor space, and they were secure behind numerous cypher locks. How were we supposed to move people into this building when it was locked by high security? After COUNTLESS meetings and basically having to bargain with this agency, we were assigned one of their officers to open the doors for us in case of emergency. If he wasn't available (dead or missing) my team (on our own) decided the doors were coming down and we were going in. Done. Point is, a simple issue like this took unbelievable coordination, meetings and involved probably 50 people and went all the way to Wash DC. When you understand inter agency complexities, how much time is expended planning, simulating, debriefing -- and the mountains of materials that produces like slides, meeting notes and powerpoint presentations -- then you look at the scope and size of this 9/11 thing, you will realize there was NO way this thing could be executed by the US Government. Just way waaaay too many people involved. Bottom line 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Impossible. Chris Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:06:40 -0400 Maybe so. I am not an IT guy. I manage them directly through intermediary mid-level managers, but I am not a techie. I know what I am comfortable with, and so we use Microsoft. I've used Microsoft all of my life. It's familiar and I see no reason to try anything else. Besides, when I have used a Mac, I hated it. I've also disliked Linux because it isn't very aesthetic. I like the layout of Microsoft Win 7 and it's fast. That's good enough for me and my company. A Random German Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:53:10 -0400 Haha. Just replace a keyboard with your own version containing a simple wireless phone module. At 0.00 each day it sends any keystroke it has recorded. Done. Noone will ever notice, no ongoing signal can be detected. At 0.00 noone will ever check for wired stuff (cause everyone highly paid is at home). And noone will open and repair a keyboard. It just will be thrown away. So no risk of getting caught. Once you recorded some password username stuff you can hack in. If not just compromize another keyboard till done. ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:51:47 -0400 Shouldnt you open your eyes instead of keeping them wide shut. A Random German Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:48:50 -0400 As far as I understood Snowden programms such things so he would knew it. Also Snowden would use Linux so nothing harmful would be executed within the documents :). Microsoft software would do that of cause. But all real good guys are using Linux these days. ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:46:41 -0400 You know it was a false flag, and my guess is you are an intel operative as you said you have been to the bohemian grove and so you have connections , and all the grovers know 911 was a false flag, and by the way have you ever watched larry silversteins video on you tube where he admits giving the order to pull ie demo wtc building 7 and of course all the wtc buildings were demoed including wtc building 6, what say you alpha. A Random German Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:45:55 -0400 The one being most capable mostly run the supiest software. Its such a joke but can seen everywhere. FBI anyone? A Random German Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:44:08 -0400 You are driven by such high moral standards that you can not accept that actually one man stood up and took this moral thing into a driving force for his own actions. A Random German Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:42:52 -0400 You are an enemy of the US when you start to think. Periode. raaAaa Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:25:10 -0400 When his leaks become "old news" and the threat of the intel he squirreled away becomes meaningless, there will be no reason to kill him. What you speak of is called "revenge" and that is an emotion. These people have no emotion. Qwerty Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:14:07 -0400 How do you arrive at the number 1500? trooble Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:13:16 -0400 Yeah, you couldn't keep that quiet. Remember the DHS limo budget scandal? The Watergate poker game scandal? The porno scandal at (I forget where). It's impossible to believe someone wouldn't either slip up, or clue in a person with scruples. x Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:58:03 -0400 I admit your method of stealing data is more likely the chosen route then what I described below. x Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:46:01 -0400 I got this.... At 11:30 show up at corporate building in dress clothes. Most companies have off sight locations so if the main facility has to heavy security find the off sight building that doesn't. Then follow the lunch crowd in. Find the training room with computers. Pull out bootable flash drive with ubuntu on it as well as whatever you're using to take control. We know the CIA has software to steal info via bluetooth etc... Load data onto computer. Finally exit building. Return to observation sight and collect information on your targets. Find and make lists of usernames, passwords and access levels. Return to same sight to wipe corrupted computer and log in as a given user during lunch hours. Log in and create back end keys that can access data via remote desktop. Exit premisses. We now have access to all the data. Check! skepticos Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:26:28 -0400 A contract employee can bring down the multi billion dollar operations of the premier super power. Brilliant. This government deserves nothing. TheGrandInquisitor Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:58:26 -0400 While Mr Snowden may feel comfortable with his elaborate safety shield of hidden data caches and compatriots ready to take up the cause if something untimely comes his way, what he may not have accounted for is the fact that there is most certainly a shelf-life for the value of these secrets and the clock is ticking. At some point in the future, the information he has squirreled away will seem so quaint and amateur it will be on the History channel. At that point, Mr Snowden should double check his 6:00 at every street corner. I suspect payback will eventually find Mr Snowden, and it will hurt. Chris Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:34:53 -0400 The U.S. government should embed kill-programs in all of their sensitive documentation so when activated it destroys the info and the user's computer. That'd be awesome. my.comment Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:21:55 -0400 with all that super duper snoop capability, shouldn't they know exactly what snowden accessed and downloaded... funny how every few days the snoops are throwing out yet another category of data that snowden has that will cause grievous harm to their unchecked surveillance powers... er, national security of the united states. Mr.b Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:18:11 -0400 3) Out-of-Band operations are network activities and internal directing and switching processes serving a variety of purposes. At least half of the sub-processes are secret (for commercial and OTHER reasons). And most important they circumvent your usual operating system processes. 4) the mechanism that manages this microcode on the BMC is called IPMI. There's quite a variety in that. Some manufacturers as e.g. IBM and Intel have extremely complex and sophisticated ways of managing OOB operations. 5) with nearly all computers (etc.) built after 1998 this is included. And what's more, after version 2.0 it is also encrypted. For those who want to know, commonly with RSA and with a key-length of 2048 bits. 6) Steve already explained some of what can be done with it. But to be frank, just about anything your normal operating system manages can be altered, corrected, directed, copied. 7) thus, it can (and is) transmit(ting) the location where the equipment is, it can copy any data from your machine and send it surreptitiously with a hidden protocol OOB to anyone/anywhere. 8) is the intelligence community using this? Yes, of course. 9) can one automate surveillance or is it used for special targets? Basically yes it can be automated, but the OOB streams from/to/through providers would increase with a giant factor. Hence it is currently used for special targets/groups of targets. Perhaps the above helps to understand the situation we are in. <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> Mr.b Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:15:42 -0400 I think all this goes far beyond what we imagine NSA INSIDE: [QUOTE] Perhaps the following shines some more light on this tapping issue. It’s somewhat technical, nevertheless essential to know in light of this discussion. 1) all servers, workstations, laptops, tabs, smartphones and a host of other equipment that is or acts as a computer contain one or more microprocessors (Intel, Amd, Motorola, etc.). 2) with the exception of some special Scada equipment, all those microprocessors need (as in must have) an embedded subsystem called a BMC (which runs on microcode). The BMC was designed to facilitate >>Out-of-Band operations Tom Peterson Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:15:36 -0400 "Aid reports that these secret break-ins — referred to as "black bag jobs," "surreptitious entries," or "off-net operations" — are occurring "at a tempo not seen since the height of the Cold War." Sigh. All this crap happens only because US thinks itself as war with the whole world - thus it's operating on a "at-war-with-everyone mentality". march21 Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:10:12 -0400 So US was stealing industrial and military secrets from other nations (just like every other nation) and Snowden is threatening to leak how US did it. And Americans hail Snowden as a patriot? I think Snowden really is a Russian or Chinese spy who was on the verge of being uncovered and was therefore instructed by Russia/China to defect and also mask his treasonous activity by pretending it was for the good of American people. Alpha Directed Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:57:38 -0400 ... Thanks for PROVING 9/11 was NOT an inside job. That "operation" would be across many of the agencies you list. The head count in planning this supposed operation would probably be ~ 5,000 people maybe reduced to ~1,500. Gee, never one document, never one of the planners on death bed confessional, under drug addiction confession, never one planner gone on a bender mouthing off. NEVER ONE SINGLE SHRED OF PLANNING EVIDENCE OR PEOPLE STEPPING FORWARD IN THE DEATH OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Nothing. Nobody. Period. Ever. 9/11 was not an inside job. ClownFart Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:50:19 -0400 I think it's clear the the US cannot manage most of the programs they run. Personal Surviellance clearly is no different. What is really scary though, is that we're all enemies of the US if point out these mismangements. OopsieFicker Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:49:18 -0400 along with more specific words like "thieving", "scum", "untrustworthy with more than pocket change". OopsieFicker Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:47:21 -0400 The bags are black to ensure no one can see just how grotesquely much the American Taxpayer is being ripped off by the very people who are spying on the American Taxpayer. Time to take all of those bags away from them -- they cannot be trusted. And, THEY WORK FOR US. MrPeabody Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:45:17 -0400 So "sensitive" is the new word for "criminal." Johnk Blonk Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:41:55 -0400 Shouldn't you be on infowars instead of here? ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:23:27 -0400 The russian intel agencies already knew everything about the so called secret info had by the nsa and cia and oni , dia , etc. et al, the only ones kept in the dark are we americans , that is how police states operate and we are in a police state and in fact the patriot act and ndaa put us under martial law. ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:21:01 -0400 The harry truman report was on december 22, 1963 . ferret Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:19:39 -0400 Your number is very close , reports are that there are close to a million involved in big brothers police state organs, ie cia, nsa,dia, oni, dhs, fema, atf, fbi, tsa, etc. etc. et al. In a report in the washington post on december 22, 1983 harry truman said that he ie long story short, regretted his role in signing the legislation that created the cia and nsa, this can be found by a google search. James1 Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:17:16 -0400 If I were Russia, I'd just start putting out misinformation about NSA operations, claiming to have obtained it from Snowden's computers. trooble Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:14:14 -0400 It strikes me that, now more than ever, manpower in these services is devoted to self-surveillance. That means that, even if there are million people working in this sector (a number I pulled out of thin air) a big percentage of those people spend time looking at their fellow workers. (After all, the documents you have to sign on being hired allow that stuff, unless they are intended to have a deterring effect.) I certainly hope that it's not another case of the Monty Python movie where the 'Judean People's Front' goes to war with the 'People's Front of Judea'.