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[–]ish3ric 165 points166 points ago

Most of these opinions I've been seeing about the reset are biased. People who drop in elo say the system is broken, and people who go up in elo are saying it's fine so it's more about the experience you get after your placement matches compared to your s3 league.

[–]erdemcan 163 points164 points ago

I think there are a lot of G5/P5/D5's who are not happy about having to pay upwards of 500$ for another eloboost.

[–]Nightpound 70 points71 points ago

If someone pays 500$ to get to G5 I don't even know..

[–]hydrogenc4r 35 points36 points ago

Any amount really, people who pay for eloboosts are stupid. They'll just lose games and end up exactly where they were, mmr wise.

[–]Nightpound 11 points12 points ago

But they still keeps their bragging rights even though everyone knows they got boosted. They're indeed stupid.

[–]hydrogenc4r 10 points11 points ago

They don't have any bragging rights lol, except maybe in their head.

[–]Nightpound 5 points6 points ago

Yes that's what I mean. Everyone knows that they got boosted but they still keep bragging thinking that everyone cares.

[–]Loonytic 8 points9 points ago

But even if they didn't get boosted, no one cares. Either you're beating them or your's just a game. No one is ever 'oh man, that guy in CoD that just killed me is SOOOOO pro!', they're just like 'Man, I screwed your mom last night, so what if I'm not good at this game?' Same thing applies to LoL. No one cares about 'achievements' anyone else gets. The only ones people care about are the ones they have or can get....that's why achievement systems are completely pointless except to help build the grind nature of games.

The only 'achievement' people really respect at all in lol is pro play and streaming.

[–]InconspicuousToast 3 points4 points ago


Uh, I used to hear "Wow dude think you're so fucking good you camper mother fucker do you even fucking lift ill slit your fucking throat piece of shit run at me with an uzi and see what happens" all the time whenever I'd play FPS games.

[–]LegendJRG 1 point2 points ago

Yea CoD, and fps's in general, are a bit of a joke community wise. I am a halo/cod pro and 1.6/AA back in the day and the communities are/were waaayyy worse than LoL. I'd say somewhere between 25-45% of the LoL community is actually positive or attempts to be good teamates and given how big the game is that is a huge amount of people. Go look at the current CoDcompetitive subreddit even the pro's just constantly fight/shit talk and the events are even worse. Gears of war had probably the worst of all time when it used to be played there were regularly fights, real fights resulting in people going to the hospital a few times, at every event it's sad how bad fps communities are.

[–]Loonytic 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I don't think LoL players are as bad as fps players, I was just using it as a reference to the complete lack of concern for other peoples achievements they and pretty much all players share in common.

[–]FuzzyGummyBear 1 point2 points ago

Now with the new system they will actually drop tiers if their MMR is too low, I think this is a great way to prevent boosting.

[–]Craws 9 points10 points ago

Bronze V to Silver V is like 250$ lol

[–]vexoskeleton[vexoskeleton] (NA) 11 points12 points ago

its actually ~$110 for b5 to S5

[–]dLKaito[Kaito] (EU-W) 4 points5 points ago

I've heard about 30€ ._.

[–]PokemasterTT 4 points5 points ago

I once did it for 15.

[–]vaynebot 23 points24 points ago

I did it for free for fun^

[–]Dernom[Dernom] (EU-W) 4 points5 points ago

I once did it for free (and by myself, for myself)

[–]akane14 15 points16 points ago

Me too for a friend! I was thinking I was an explorer : "hello everyone this is Volibear Grylls and welcome to Man vs bronzies"
Edit : fixed my bad

[–]Sember 1 point2 points ago


[–]RazorChiken 1 point2 points ago

That's a genius idea for a video if it's never been done before.. Assuming I don't get called out on in the next 24 hours it I'll get right on that. Thanks, akane14!

[–]jookstr 1 point2 points ago

Boosted a friend from b2 to g5 and he suddenly started winning shit in g5 on his own whilst already having played 400 bronze games and being unable to rise. G5 must be full of boosted noobs :D

[–]opallix 1 point2 points ago

That seems pretty cheap...

I'm guessing it would take upward of 20 games to get from b5 so s5, so that's like... barely minimum wage.

Now, something like b1 to s5 I could see being cheap, or s1 to g5.

[–]Yappofag[Davé] (EU-W) 2 points3 points ago

The fact is some people don't consider elo boosting a job, they have fun whilst doing it, and can make money on the side. It's practically gaining free money from doing your hobby.

[–]pjchow 3 points4 points ago

I honestly don't think I'd like that money. Say the player is making 12 LP per game at the start (assuming they's not way below where Bronze V in their mmr). You still need 8 wins to get to series, 2 games for series, you probably won't skip that first division because of initial mmr, then maybe just 5 games for division 4, 2 for series, skip to division 2, 5 games, 2 series, then division 1, 5 game, 3 series. So assuming you win them all, that's 32 games for $250. Assuming 50 mins per game including queue time/champ select, that's less than $10 an hour.

[–]papyjako89 0 points1 point ago

Now that is straight up sad.

[–]ChaoZ- 13 points14 points ago

$500 o.o

I thought it would be like $100 for diamond.

How desperate are people to pay so much money for a high rating in a game that wont even benefit them.

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    [–]ChaoZ- 2 points3 points ago

    Holy shit!

    I can't believe anyone would pay such a ridiculous price, also I would feel so bad knowing that I didn't earn it to be in diamond (skillwise)

    [–]Maerdon 3 points4 points ago

    Well if you think about it the booster would have to play a looooot of games to climb from B5 to D5, so it makes sense it's expensive.

    [–]bestyoloqueuer 5 points6 points ago

    Not only that, but people seem to fail to realize that there are many rich people or spoiled kids with rich parents out there that buy these things.

    [–]Fearfully 6 points7 points ago

    I mean if you think about it most of the people who are getting boosted have tried to get to diamond and failed. Assuming this, their mmr won't let the climb very easily so getting to d5 from gold/plat could take anywhere from 25-75 games, which is a lot of time. Even if you use the minimum wage of like $7.50, that's like 400$.

    [–]ChaoZ- 4 points5 points ago

    It's true but why do people pay so much money for a rating in a game. It even gets reset after a year

    [–]RaichuALoveS0ng 2 points3 points ago

    So they can tell their friends they are diamond.

    [–]Loonytic 2 points3 points ago

    Well, that's if they had any friends, at least.

    Seriously, who pay's $500 for a ranking and has friends that care what their ranking is? No one.

    [–]FanweyGz 4 points5 points ago

    rich people do.

    [–]cavemaneca 2 points3 points ago

    Yeah seriously, what self respecting rich person would stoop so low as to grind ranks manually, when they can pay someone to just do the work for them?

    [–]bestyoloqueuer 3 points4 points ago

    They really like the game and have much money to spend.

    They can then play against famous or more skilled players and as well brag about their rating of course.

    Why do people buy beauty operations?

    [–]Falendil[Falèndil] (EU-W) 2 points3 points ago

    Beauty operations get you laid, high MMR doesn't (i think)

    [–]geliduss 6 points7 points ago


    Unless you get to challenger ^

    [–]Rankin36[Rankin] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

    But..but...chicks dig Elo, right? Or was I lied to horribly? :(

    [–]lolDirtyMouth 4 points5 points ago

    Some people just want to play with better players. So they can get better, maybe. There are also people that think if they could just get over a certain rating, they would carry themselves to challenger, which is wrong, but elo boosters benefit from this mentality.

    [–]ChaoZ- 2 points3 points ago

    Interesting point. I didn't about that!

    [–]InconspicuousToast 2 points3 points ago

    Playing against Diamonds as a Silver is not going to make you better in soloq.

    Well, obviously it'll teach you things, but it'll teach you things in the same way that going 1 on 1 with Mike Tyson will teach you about boxing.

    [–]invictuslol 2 points3 points ago

    still way less than what i spent on skins, champs, rune pages.

    [–]oceanicmotion 1 point2 points ago

    who the fuck pays any money to climb a ladder in a free game

    [–]a3sir 2 points3 points ago

    this game is sooo free.

    [–]homeyG75 0 points1 point ago

    The whole free game thing is pretty irrelevant. Anyone who pays to climb the ladder is stupid anyway.

    [–]TheDukeofReddit 11 points12 points ago

    It's that you cannot see people's rating. I went 4-6 and dropped 8 divisions. Thats an entire rank (from plat to silver). I am an active player who rose three divisions over winter break simply because I had more time than normal to play.

    I know I'll get back there because it wasn't like I wasn't doing well there, it just that it is impossible to know which match lost me hundreds of rating and why it did. Riot keeps that a secret. I duo queue almost exclusively and our MMR was close enough that if I solo'd a game and won or lost we swapped orders. We duo queued all 10 matches. They ended up a division higher, it's just like "wut?"

    It isn't that I'm mad because "lol silver bad" but that it is completely unclear how this happens.

    [–]takimora[CupcakeSauce] (BR) 1 point2 points ago

    I went a 6-4 and dropped a whole tier, at least I didn't get affected by the Saintvicious' curse.

    [–]turbotorsk 1 point2 points ago

    I went 3-7 and only lost 4

    [–]Cerebz 1 point2 points ago

    went 3-7, dropped 11.

    [–]Toredorm 0 points1 point ago

    Went 9-1 and now I'm Gold III on my Silver I (S3) account. About to do the Gold I (S3) account next.

    [–]Alexander0810 9 points10 points ago

    Diamond 1 here got placed in gold and I'm first pick with plat 3 players in my team after the reset. How does this make sense? All it adds is useless grind.

    [–]Daneruu 1 point2 points ago

    I was plat and got reset to silver 1. I'm not complaining because I hit my promos in 4 wins and I doubt gold is going to be any harder than it used to be, since the only problem I had there was the clamping. I'm hoping to get plat by the end next weekend, giving me a whole season to improve. I like it.

    [–]Kleutviool 6 points7 points ago

    I didn't drop nor did I gain elo but this system is "broken". I don't think a reset is out of place but ex-diamond/plat players getting in silver but keeping their diamond/plat mmr? They'll need to win vs plat/diamond to get to gold.

    [–]GeneralDouglas 3 points4 points ago

    I havent finished my placements and i lean heavily towards broken from what ive seen so far..

    [–]MyTaco 3 points4 points ago

    I don't see why people are saying its "broken." Riot even said, if you get far below from where you originally started. ex: Plat 1 ---> Bronze 1, that you will actually get accelerated LP gain, making it easier to skip divisions and climb back to where you were in season 3. So the problem is the ego of the players, who think they don't belong where they should. Not that the system is broken.

    [–]Karthons 6 points7 points ago

    Call it ego, sure, we all want to be the best on the ladder. But there is a factor you might ignore : time.

    [–]Demonace34 4 points5 points ago

    The funny thing about ranked is that it isn't going to be accurate of your actual skill level until you put time into it. This is why LP gains and losses tend to be 16 to 28 for people who haven't played a lot (their MMR and LP are off sync)

    Whereas the people who have an MMR close to their LP will have a constant +6/12 or -6/12 every game. This is due to the league system being confident that the player is actually where they should be.

    [–]Vancarcious 2 points3 points ago

    How does this make any sense? If I get put in Bronze when I was Gold I last season, I should not be playing with Gold players.

    [–]InconspicuousToast 1 point2 points ago

    Yes you should. It was like this last season too. Your MMR matches who you play with.

    [–]Vancarcious 1 point2 points ago

    And that is not bullshit how?

    [–]InconspicuousToast 2 points3 points ago

    Because part of moving up a ladder is playing against people equal in skill.

    You get accelerated LP gains, but your matches have always been based of of MMR. There was a bronze guy who was b5 and played with plat/diamond players last season.

    [–]Justinia 14 points15 points ago

    forcing people to go through multiple promotions for no reason is either a sign of a broken system or idiotic design

    [–]BookmarkSaver 3 points4 points ago

    Its a reset. A new season. You have to re-earn your place. It's a soft reset, to keep it from being totally ridiculous and keeping the MMR's somewhat separate, but going through promotions again is the whole point.

    [–]doesnotexist1000 4 points5 points ago

    It's to force people to play more games..

    The more games people play, the better it is for riot.

    [–]bomko 2 points3 points ago

    people would rather play games at their elo, so i dont get this logic

    [–]doesnotexist1000 7 points8 points ago

    They are playing games at their mmr. But they have to play more to reach the same level of division.

    [–]baconsundae 1 point2 points ago

    Apparently I have the same MMR as low plat/ high gold players, even though I was in silver I. Before the reset I was playing with low gold and silver I. It feels like all the golds and platinums are congregating in silver. =^(

    [–]papyjako89 0 points1 point ago

    Now that is actually a valid explanation. Doesn't make it right tho. I don't want to feel forced into playing this game.

    [–]papyjako89 0 points1 point ago

    That's my biggest problem. Promotions series are such a pain in the ass if you ask me, no matter the level. I miss the old ELO system, where everything was straight forward and there was no shenanigans.

    [–]ChalgakillerBG 1 point2 points ago

    I was Gold 5 last season, dropped down to Silver 4 and I get 14 points per game.

    [–]Loonytic 1 point2 points ago

    that's actually very reasonable considering the reset. The further out you are the more you are affected by the reset. High silver/low gold ending up anything north of Silver V is system working as intended. I would end up losing a aouple hundred elo in seasons past, which is easily the difference between old gold and old bronze.

    [–]BookmarkSaver 2 points3 points ago

    You were probably bottomed out in your division and didn't quite deserve it still.

    [–]D1STURBED36 0 points1 point ago

    Right, so the general player base has improved SO MUCH over the last year that the old plat is the new bronze?

    Now you have to climb so much just to get to where you were, even if you did good in promo?

    [–]ToyotaMode 3 points4 points ago

    You're misunderstanding why they are mad... They aren't simply butthurt because they lost a division.. What makes most people mad is the fact that people are getting dropped from diamond to gold etc and yet they are still matched against diamond players... That is why people are mad. If Riot is going to match you against diamond elo yet place you in gold after going 8-2 in placement how does that make any sense? It doesn't..

    [–]thenerdal 0 points1 point ago

    What about the people who are in silver and are higher pick than a plat?

    [–]Havok-Trance 0 points1 point ago

    I dropped from silver 1 to Bronze 1. It hurt a lot but I still believe the system is fair. It just needs some work :)

    [–]bakayeti 0 points1 point ago

    Say that to Sainvicious, dropping dropping to gold

    [–]Zikeman 0 points1 point ago

    I dont mind the reset, i was plat 1 and went to silver 1. The thing im confused about is... why am i having plat 1 mmr if im in silver? Thats the only thing that doesnt make sense. It just seems weird i have to go from silver-plat playing against top plat and low diamond vs other silvers playing against actually silver players.

    [–]SpoonyDude 0 points1 point ago

    Opinions are biased, color me impressed.

    [–]papyjako89 0 points1 point ago

    Meh. Haven't played in S4 yet, but all I ask for is more transparency, like with the old ELO system.

    [–]NickNewmz 0 points1 point ago

    I didn't drop and I still think the system is broken. But that is also because I clearly improved during season 3 and I am still in the same division when I went 7-3

    [–]Cra5hnatural 0 points1 point ago

    Well, the system it self is ok. The placement balanced is what gets me worried . I was plat 2, and in my first 3 games i got matched with 1 challenger, and the others where like diamond 1s while having plat 2-1 players on my team. Even though we got kinda of a lead early eventually we lost to them, Next games i tried my best and eventually ended up 6-4 into plat 4. which is considerably ok.

    [–]wirklich1 13 points14 points ago

    I agree with you, but people complain about getting placed into silver being plat before, meanwhile people that were gold in s3 got placed into gold. Although there win/lose is about the same.

    [–]Demonace34 7 points8 points ago

    The win loss ratio can be much different depending on how confident the system is with each player and the order of the wins and the losses.

    Say the system is less confident with your elo. You lose your first 4 games of placements and win the next 6 you go 6 - 4. The other person is not confident with a player and they win their first 6 and then lose their next 4.

    Both players have 6 and 4 records, but since the first player lost the first 4 games, the next 6 wins were much easier and net much less of an elo gain. The second player won their first 6 games skyrocketing their elo and then lost the next 4 making it look more like a plateau in skill.

    The conclusion is that the 1st player has lower elo even though both players started at the same position due to the order of winning and losing.

    [–]GGS_Gilgamesh 2 points3 points ago

    People keep saying this, but I don't think it's true. I was gold I 100 lp, went 5-0 in first 5 placements, played 5 more games against plat/diamond players, went 1-4, ending 6-4. I was placed into silver IV.

    I'm a bit of a special case as this account had no s3 mmr (new in the post season). However, that also shows that I raised an account to 100 lp gold I in a couple of weeks.

    My mmr is low plat, as all the players I play agaisnt are gold I -plat V (after placements) OR silver V (but ex high plat/diamond). I don't see why I'm put into silver IV and am higher pick than gold I players...

    I do get 30-50 lp per win, but it's still annoying.

    [–]Demonace34 1 point2 points ago

    Your LP shows that the system knows you should be much higher in leagues. I don't know all the specifics of your account so I have no clue what your MMR was before the soft reset (none of us actually know).

    [–]GGS_Gilgamesh 2 points3 points ago

    Yep, but why would the system put me in Silver IV if it knows that? ;p

    The matches are really good, whatever they are using behind the scenes seem to work, I'm playing against players at my level, it's just the division choices that seem out of whack.

    [–]Demonace34 0 points1 point ago

    I agree, just have to grind out the games to get there after the reset.

    [–]casey12141 0 points1 point ago

    MMR is also composed of total games and other things I think, which kind of sucks. I wish there were a way to filter that impact if the natural MMR otherwise would be higher, since it would help people in your case, and help move smurfs up faster too.

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    [–]YackLol 11 points12 points ago

    Your not understanding why its broken. You went up yes, but how come people with the same mmr who did the same in their placement matches are being placed into entirely different divisions. Its the fact that a person with platinum mmr is in silver division while he is playing with other players who did about the same as him and are a large amount of ranks above him. Idc if riot does drop people from platinum to silver but it should be everyone not just a few people who won 1 more game to their counter part and dropped.

    [–]post-pax-recap[NESL Caster] 2 points3 points ago

    IMO the problem was they didn't properly set the confidence values after the reset.

    I was D2 S3, and in my first two games, I was exclusively against D1 & Challenger-tier opponents.

    I lost one game and it put me with Platinum opponents.

    I think the second problem was that MMR values were changing while people were playing promos: if everyone is 1200-1600, and someone who was silver wins 7 games and loses 3, they've netted 80LP (assuming 20 LP per game in MMR terms, post-placement I've been earning 25 a win).

    So they go from ~1450 to ~1530, which is the difference between silver and gold...meanwhile, someone who has only played 2-3 games so far and was Plat last season, they were soft reset to ~1550. So you have someone who was Plat last season already in game with someone who was Silver...

    Since the sample size is so large, this creates huge pockets of randomness. That S3 Plat player could be against 5 Plat opponents, with 2 people on his team who are on their 15th game of the season.

    What they should have done was locked in your MMR during promos, and given you games against a variety of opponents based off of where you were in S3. If you were Plat, you would have 3 games against Golds, 4 games against Plat, 3 games against Diamond players. If you win everything, you're Diamond. If you win against Gold/Plat but not Diamond, you're Plat. If you lose to Golds, you're Gold.

    Then after the 10 promo games, assign someone their MMR.

    All in all it's funny to see people supporting Riot. Their Achilles heel has always been systems like this. They can't design a logical system worth shit. We have so many data points of people who had unfun experiences is promos. We have so many data points of people who did poorly and got placed ahead of where they were. It doesn't make any damn sense.

    And, as the veterans of this game will attest, this shit will never change unless there's a cohesive, wide-spread reaction from the community that we want something better.

    FWIW post-promos I was placed in Plat 1 after going 7-3, the highest possible placement, so I have nothing to lose. I'm still playing with S3 Diamond/Challenger players (like Bjergsen), especially those who didn't ace their promos. So I'm not saying this to complain as someone who was slighted. I realize this is a shitty system. Riot fucked up. Why tell them "it's okay!"? They're a billion dollar company, they can implement properly modified matchmaking once a year.

    [–]TheVengefulNightmare[Thorn] (NA) 42 points43 points ago

    Lets say you get placed silver/gold 1 from diamond 3 ish. and you are facing diamonds because your mmr doesn't change. How is it any easier to climb? and how is this system not broken?

    Also its very ridiculous that diamonds even follow the same rules as per say silver/golds. They can go 5-5 in placements get same thing they had last time. We go 5-5 and get to where they are LOL.

    but its not easier to climb because mmr actually stays the same so we would still vs diamonds.

    This actually helps the "boosted" diamonds riot was trying to filter. They vs golds because their mmr actually was that of a gold, despite being "diamond" last season.

    Just my 2 cents. Right now I'm just like "Damn rito u scary".

    [–]Demonace34 11 points12 points ago

    If you are in silver/gold 1 with actual MMR that is diamond 3 then your LP gains will be so tremendous that even if you got 50/50 you will be gaining LP at 20-30 per win and losing 4-10 LP per loss.

    High MMR + Lower league than MMR = high LP gains on wins and low LP losses on losing

    [–]Cigajk 11 points12 points ago


    Or you know. He could be winning 90/10 of his games if his MMR was also reseted. I hate this argument when people say "you will climb faster". You will climb faster regardless of your MMR.

    [–]Demonace34 5 points6 points ago

    Okay, but if you don't reset MMR then the games feel more competitive due to Diamond vs Diamond. Resetting MMR makes the ladder crazier and makes the ELO hell people cry even louder due to being matched against challenger level people at random and many games will be a stomp (who has the diamond level players on their team).

    [–]Cigajk 1 point2 points ago

    The league/MMR is mainly issue once ranked gets stabilized. Now like you said it wouldn't be the smartest to reset MMR... Anyway the point im rising is that some high Diamond/plat or even gold players are placed too low... Even if it's a soft reset.

    [–]Demonace34 2 points3 points ago

    But even if you are placed low league wise, people will climb easier due to their MMR still being high.

    I have a feeling that some of the information coming out of people are division 5 people that had much lower MMR than their intended league due to them not being demoted. That along with the soft reset has made for drastic changes to their placement in S4.

    [–]Cigajk 0 points1 point ago

    I've seen people dropping really low from 1st division in their league.

    [–]Demonace34 0 points1 point ago

    That is usually due to being over 2000 MMR and being averaged back toward 1200 with the soft reset. This is why you will see D1/challenger streamers playing in high plat vs other D1/challengers from the end of S3.

    [–]SirCookieMonstyr[manapots] (EU-W) 0 points1 point ago

    Huzz got placed into Platinum 2 after going 4/6, he was Diamond 1 before the reset. Another friend (who wishes to remain anonymous - read: I can't spell the shit he has in his name) was Diamond 3 after the reset, went 10-0 and got placed into Gold 1. I don't know what to make of this.

    [–]shakeandbake13 1 point2 points ago

    you can't get reset to anything higher than plat 1, if his mmr wasn't necessarily high it makes sense for him to be gold 1/ low plat since all the old challengers are plat 1

    [–]Theonetrue 0 points1 point ago

    Thing is that no matter how high your MMR is you cannot exceed a certain climbing speed due to Promotions and only beeing able to skip division 2-4. This limit is reachable pretty fast if you play vs lower level players after around 10-20 games. Source: Happened to me by chance last season which made me bascially skip over plat.

    This doesn't mean it is impossible to climb but it is unnecessary frustrating.

    I would personally like to be able to play with low MMR so I can try out new champs, too :(

    [–]Keaver 0 points1 point ago

    Yeah resetting the ladder would be dumb because you would have games where Diamond 1's are facing bronze and silver players and dominating which is unfair to those players. This system makes the beginning of the season much less chaotic.

    [–]EveryoneisOP3 5 points6 points ago

    This is exactly what my LP gains are. 31 per win, 10 per loss. I dropped an entire division to gold 3, after going 7-3 in placements.

    If I literally only win, I need to play 30 games to get back up to where the system already recognizes that I'm at.

    How does that make sense to you?

    [–]Justinia 3 points4 points ago

    you still need to get 3 to 5 wins in a row to get promoted

    [–]Demonace34 1 point2 points ago

    True and this is how people abuse the system to have diamond MMR while still being bronze.

    The math is actually there that supports why the 3/5 system still works even if you go perfect 50/50 (like the system is in place to do)

    [–]StRyKeR17[StRyKeR17] (NA) 3 points4 points ago

    Has anyone else not been placed after playing 10 ranked games? I went 8-2, and I don't have a rank.

    EDIT: It looks like the system thinks I went 7-2... but my match history says I played 10 lol wtf

    [–]predzje 2 points3 points ago

    maybe you had a loss prevented on one of them

    [–]Chunderbolt(EU-W) 7 points8 points ago

    It just takes it as 9 placement games then, you should still be done.

    [–]Haveyoureadit 1 point2 points ago

    It will automatically update after your next game

    [–]nyahcat 0 points1 point ago

    next game = ranked or game in general?

    [–]vocosu 28 points29 points ago

    Silver 1 with a higher mmr than Plat 3. Yes, I'm pissed. I have to go through Silver 1, Gold 5, Gold 3, Gold 1, and Plat 5 promos even though I have higher mmr than a Plat 3.

    [–]EveryoneisOP3 20 points21 points ago

    Really, it's retarded. The system RECOGNIZES that you belong in Plat3+, but then Riot just says "Nah let's drop him back down again." Having a reset made more sense when it was just an elo system, but now that there's MMR and divisions, it's just discouraging and annoying.

    [–]daenerys_targ 5 points6 points ago

    Yeah. What people don't realize either is that when high elo players are placed that low, they're not facing people in that elo for "easy wins". They're still facing people with the same mmr, making it just as hard to win as if they were in the league corresponding to their mmr.

    [–]MrSkopelos27[MrSkopelos27] (EU-W) 1 point2 points ago

    At least you don't have -3Lp, hehe

    [–]Ivrih 2 points3 points ago

    If you can drop from Diamond I to Silver I'd say that is quite broken.

    [–]hereyagoman[Zanitonium] (NA) 2 points3 points ago

    I think the complaint is that if you're placed in bronze you should face bronze players. Currently if you were D1 and you get played bronze you still face D1 players. you get a 20lp incentive for you wins but... you're not being fairly treated when it comes to match making.

    If you go to bronze you should face bronze, go to gold... face gold ect.

    If someone was silver III and played all their placements and went to Plat III but still faced silver III players would that be fair? No.. so let's fix this crap.

    [–]Agewalker 1 point2 points ago

    Had plat MMR before reset. Got placed in Silver 1 and now im gaining +27 +28 and lose just -15

    [–]gburger1296 1 point2 points ago

    Kelly is too hot bobby

    [–]gburger1296 1 point2 points ago

    Kelly is too hot bobby

    I know bob in real life Kelly is his mom

    [–]Hashtagburn 1 point2 points ago

    People don't understand the concept of a reset. Your ELO is naturally supposed to go down in a reset if you are above the baseline.

    [–]PaoPaoChan 1 point2 points ago

    I have a friend who ended the season D1 60 lp and went 7-3 in his promos. He's now gold 5. I don't think that's normal when I finished D2 50 LP and went 3-7 and I'm plat 5.

    [–]ThatRussnGuy 1 point2 points ago

    the word you are looking for is "butthurt"

    [–]Dreambagger 1 point2 points ago

    It's called a reset for a reason. If you deserve to be where you were before, you will climb.

    [–]KAmaKAsa 1 point2 points ago

    I wouldn't know whether its broken or not, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PLAY MORE THAN 2 GAMES OF RANKED

    [–]Sikzo -2 points-1 points ago

    Upvote, this was the smartest someone has said so far. Every rager should read this.

    [–]Im16YearsOld 0 points1 point ago

    What everyone is saying is scaring me out of playing ranked while also taunting me to do my placements

    [–]SharkyMajor 2 points3 points ago

    Dont, you will regret it like that time you forgot to wear one..

    [–]Im16YearsOld 0 points1 point ago

    I'll keep that time in mind for the future

    [–]EveryoneisOP3 0 points1 point ago

    Everyone's so angry in all of my ranked games. Save yourself the annoyance and just wait.

    [–]maikoldi 0 points1 point ago

    For me ur text make sense and i agree with most of the things, but! u cant tell me that nothign is broken. i was plat 2 with good mmr in s3. in placements i went 6-4 and now im silver fine with it, BUT! i really cant udnerstand why the matchmaking match me vs plat 3 guys, or even i got some plat guys in my team (im still silver1) i mean wtf? that make no sense at all

    [–]nocivo 1 point2 points ago

    we can't say that 2 ppl that go 6-4 should be place higher or lower then the other without the 10 games history. One could had won the 1st games against silver so they put him playing against plat because he lost some of the games they drop it in gold. The other one could had lost 4 games against plat/gold so they game make it play with bronzes and he win so he was place in in silver.

    [–]boiledham 0 points1 point ago

    People are just lazy and don't want to redo the climb again. Although to be fair, I think the promotion series is a poor way of having someone move up in divisions/leagues.

    [–]Equalsthree95 0 points1 point ago

    It's because it is combined with the current lags.

    [–]reanchexx 0 points1 point ago

    I tried too hard to climb gold, i did it not cause of reward or ego etc. Cause i wanted to face higher skilled people and have more challenging games. People in higher elos respect game more then lower elos, if i will be placed to bronze again and fail to climb put for long time, games wont be fun as before, bronze is full of rage, sadness and i nearly not enjoyed single game back in my bronze days. If i sit play for 40 mins in ranked every day last season, this is why. Riot force us to repeat this progress so we spend more time in game, spend more money and more time. I will be gold if i deserve it yes, but all progress was so frustating i dont even know if i will keep playing ranked :/

    [–]Khaxie 0 points1 point ago

    I don't think that most people realise that it may even be a mistake in the MMR-calculation-formula on lolnexus. You can't see your MMR in league and many people could be diamond 5 with a horrible MMR before the reset since you couldn't drop to a lower division unless you decayed your way down. I'm not pro this system but I do think that this is the case.

    [–]Neabsera 0 points1 point ago

    I was Diamond 1 last season and had horrible placement matches, I went 5 wins and 4 losses with 1 loss prevented (so technically I went 5/5) and still got to Plat 2 which I'm totally fine with, since it shouldn't be all to hard to get up to diamond again from there.

    [–]Tzaena 0 points1 point ago

    I duo with a friend, he was d5 and me p1 with same mmr. We duo so we know that he has more mmr than me. I go 3/7, he goes 4/6. I'm g3, he is s1. It's stupid.

    [–]thefalc0ns 0 points1 point ago

    A plat 1 friend just went 5-5 and ended up on plat 1. Your argument is invalid.

    EDIT: Proof -

    [–]kamikazplatypus 0 points1 point ago

    more often than not the problem is people dont understand the system, as usual lack of understanding leads to people complaining about what they dont understand (and confirmation bias is a magical thing on top of it all)

    [–]diszje1 0 points1 point ago

    Went 8-2 placements Gold 2>Gold 2

    System seemed fine to me. I'm now in gold 2 again but with an mmr making me go up vs Higher plats.

    Last season i got stuck in gold 1 and couldnt go up cuz of 0 lp so i'm happy this time i'l be able to finally get to plat where i know i belong:)

    ps: spamming jungle kha ix op

    [–]Yrenir 0 points1 point ago

    Since the best players in given servers are now in Plat 1, i, as a former Plat 3 player, am mostly okay with the gold1 i've got.

    People have a whole year to play ranked and gain their best rating ever. Don't be mad if you've got placed in a lower tier you might think you belong, you will eventually get there.

    [–]NormTheStorm 0 points1 point ago

    lol, so many people going like 6-4, 5-5 in placement matches and then saying it's Riot's fault. Not Riot's fault you can't win your placement games lol

    [–]invictuslol 0 points1 point ago

    plat 1 is challenger, now think, where YOU would be placed.

    [–]Thr3ee 0 points1 point ago

    The high divison players in S3 feel entitled. When they don't get what they think they deserve they get angry.

    [–]Blauzing 0 points1 point ago

    imo im fine with the system, i was plat 4 s3 and got placed g3 after going 4-5 ( had one loss prevented) the only problem is that 8/10 of my games, someone dc'ed or everyone was lagging hard. EUW op

    [–]Fuglylol 0 points1 point ago

    Dont think people are complaining that they are placed lower than before, because thats what a reset is like. But because it seems to be so random. Being plat 1 win 6/10 being placed into silver 2 and then a friend who was silver 3 wins 6/10 gets placed into gold 5... It just seems so random.

    [–]thewzhao 0 points1 point ago

    Divisions don't mean a thing in the presence of the elo system.

    [–]TheNinjaNarwhal[Ninja Narwhal] (EU-NE) 0 points1 point ago

    Woah woah wait.
    "If you think of elo in terms of percents you find that the top 0.1% are now plat 1 instead of Challenger. This means that the next tier of players fill top gold and lower plat etc." what?
    Can someone confirm this? I believe this isn't true. I mean, are the spots on plat 1 reserved or something? I don't think so.
    Assuming that there are some people of different ranks who did equally well on their promotion series:
    They are all going to be placed a little bit towards 1200 elo, which means the diamond 3, maybe 4 as well are to be placed in plat 1. The diamond 1,2 and challengers, are to be placed quite higher than plat 1, but the system places them in plat 1 (for various reasons). So all these players stay in plat 1. The fact that platinum 1 is the highest doesn't mean that the challengers and diamond 1s that are placed there are going to push the others at lower ranks.
    Am I wrong?

    [–]akillerfrog[akillerfrog] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

    While this could potentially shed some light on it, it still leave MANY questions unanswered, such as why people are being placed differently than their MMR and why there is such a glaring inconsistency/seemingly degree of randomness to placement right now. If EVERYBODY was being placed lower than their expectations that would be one thing, but the way it's working right now, some people are leapfrogging as many as five whole divisions from their season 3 finish or dropping as many as fifteen. You can't possibly account for that with a simple distribution curve.

    [–]Shift_Tex[Shiftex] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

    I don't undestand. I was Plat 1 before the reset and ended plat 5

    [–]RedSweaterWeather 0 points1 point ago

    And my friend was plat 1 and ended silver 1. He went 3/7, and I understand that that that's not spectacular, but he dropped 2 entire leagues. That's kind of ridiculous

    [–]BestAnnieIMO[BestAnnieIMO] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

    there were diamond 1 player that got placed in gold. Plat 1 to plat 5 really isnt bad at all.

    [–]Elchulus 0 points1 point ago

    OP, since you haven't been reading any of the actual posts, the main complaint is a massive discrepancy between MMR and LP; people with Plat/Diamond MMR placed in Silver, for example, where they have to grind 100+ games and win a ton of promotion series at their own MMR just to get back to their deserved league.

    "You'll get where you'll deserve" is a pretty shitty argument. Time is not infinite.

    [–]svenopo 0 points1 point ago

    Either way, 10 games won't decide your s4 standings. Play more, get better, climb. Be the eternal student and stop giving so many fucks to this objective minded style of thinking.

    Edit: By objective I don't mean ingame objectives but LP/rating

    [–]Juniorlol 0 points1 point ago

    I ended season 3 as silver 1, got gold 4 in the pre-season, went 7-3 in the bo10, and was placed silver 2. I really dont understand.

    [–]Trollerumad 0 points1 point ago

    I was plat 5 almost 4 and got into silv 1 after going 4-6, and I ain't even mad about that, what I'm mad about is the fact that I KEEP getting queued up with ppl around plat3-gold1 I mean I probably could go all the way up to plat 5 but by the time I get it I'd end up having the elo of anyone above it, I'm not sure if I'm making my self clear here, but it is really annoying how difficult it is to climb up from silver because of my mmr (and for all of you who think that if I got Silv1 I deserve to be there are completely wrong since I've gotten into gold in about 4 accounts in NA and LAN servers and I've always got there pretty easily). Now I understand that the ELO cap got lowered being that Challenger/D1 players got plat 1, every1 else gets somewhere lower than plat1 therefore I understand I wasnt going to get placed on Plat, but Silver? really? a friend of mine who spent almost all season 3 on Silv1 got into gold 3 almost at the end of it and after his placement matches he got into gold 5 tho he went 7-3. I just don't understand how can PLACEMENT matches can do you so much good or so much bad.

    [–]SkippyMao 0 points1 point ago

    I went 7/3 and got to b5 dis logic.


    what were you before, huh?

    [–]SkippyMao 0 points1 point ago

    Bronze 4

    [–]9Lyves 0 points1 point ago

    Honestly Ive seen both sides of the 'harsh' spectrum. I duo''ed with a friend for most of it and we both had very similar results me going 5-4 (1 loss prevent) and him going 4-4 ( 2 loss prevent) whilst I got plat IV (previously plat I) he got gold I whilst previously plat 1. I honestly think its quite balenced and it will even out eventually

    [–]MossMillenium 0 points1 point ago

    I would actually not want to be placed in a higher elo than I was, Getting placed in gold when my skills are still silver/bronze will just make my team suffer if I get matched up against an actual gold who had to grind to reach it and I just got lucky with my placements.

    [–]Zazama[Zazama123] (EU-W) 0 points1 point ago

    I'm still playing my placement matches (1/1 currently) and i really don't mind if I get placed to Bronze 5. I was Silver 1 last Season and I don't get why people complain about there rank. Isn't climbing the point of Ranked? With your high MMR you should climb really fast back to your old Tier.

    [–]5T0RMLORD 0 points1 point ago

    The mechanics of it are fine. What i'm pissed at are the amount of trolls in my promos. ONLY on my team. Since these games are so important to your placement getting unlucky in them is the worst feeling ever

    [–]SavePoonerman 0 points1 point ago

    Paragraphs are your friend.

    [–]Cobrajebus 0 points1 point ago

    I don't really feel like even trying it after all this complaining. I had massive win streaks and ended positive on win loss but got clamped at 2lp gains all the way up silver 1 and got to 98lp and then didnt make it. Just not feeling like trying again this season with all this drama.

    [–]taomon 0 points1 point ago

    well, i finished plat 1 in pre season, plat 1 after placements (7-3) so i dont know what to make of it xD im glad ofc tho :D

    [–]A1ntmad[Aintmad] 0 points1 point ago

    What about the d1, that goes like 7/3 and gets placed in silver 1?

    [–]DaRealShady 0 points1 point ago

    i was plat 5 last season, went 8-2 in placements ( with 2 loss forgiven) now plat 4. pretty satisfied

    [–]Sofaboy90 0 points1 point ago

    finally done with my matches. 6 wins, 2 loss, 2 loss prevented. s3 plat 1 25lp, now plat 3. i dont see the issue

    [–]LucianXXX 0 points1 point ago

    I was G3 at the end of the season. After going 8-2 in placement placed in G3 again. I'm cool with the system. For all those being pissed off at the reset for dropping, well try considering that your MMR maybe wasn't that high before the reset and that losing the first few of your placements games or against players with lower MMR could've brought it down even more. Anyways you should be back in the division you belong to so I don't see what the whole whining is about.

    [–]Lather 0 points1 point ago

    I completely accept the changes, and I understand them, but at the same time... I had played over 1800 games in bronze (i know..), and was 10 LP away from my silver promo when the reset promo. Now, after going 4-6 in my promos, I'm bronze 4. I totally understand why this has happened, but it still is very disheartening.

    [–]ideal_lemon 0 points1 point ago

    nice try riot employee.

    [–]jaesuk97 0 points1 point ago

    how is it riots fault that you lost so many placement games and got placed low. everyone else has the same problem so stop complaining. people need to take responsibility for themselves

    [–]Domeee123 0 points1 point ago

    My problem with this only that i was d1 last season and games was never so stressed and hard like now , every game is so hard since i play against d1 d2 players but if i go 5-5 i will be placed at like silver or low gold ? i think its pretty stupid , but if they really removed clamping im ok with this

    [–]cPhr33k 0 points1 point ago

    of course you are not mad.....must be nice. I got 5 out 10 matchs in which people dc'ed

    [–]wbminister 0 points1 point ago

    When I finished my 10th placement game, I went from Silver 5 getting demoted (yes DEMOTED) til Diamond 3. Then I played another game, and got promoted to Gold 3.

    My brain

    [–]SpoonyDude 0 points1 point ago

    The game isn't exciting because Riot resets the ratings, there's a whole different purpose to that.

    This is just defeating the entire purpose, the color of your border should reflect your individual skill, that's why people play ranked in the first place. If you can't see mmr and the border doesn't reflect your true percentile, then why the hell are you playing ranked? Normals have mmr as well and it's hidden as well, the whole purpose of ranked are the tiers and borders.

    Also, your post is really hard to read and it has been repeated ad nauseum in the past few days. Didn't add anything to the whole discussion and won't stop people who think Riot are on the wrong to go on about their opinion.

    [–]IrishKiing 0 points1 point ago

    Wildturtle was like 3300 lol...

    [–]aesma 0 points1 point ago

    short question: what if next week riot will come and say " hey summoners we had a bug in our mmr reset and some ppl got fucked by our mistake" just like last year, then ppl frustation was rightfull or it still too harsh on riot ?

    [–]ezyfcd[Xtremeflorinin] (EU-NE) 0 points1 point ago

    S3 i was gold I....i go 6-4 in Placement,and now i`m Gold II...for me is ok..:)

    [–]DelayedLag 0 points1 point ago

    I have 0 wins 6 losses. Am i fucked?

    [–]670takers 0 points1 point ago

    from where? you can try to get the next 4 wins in a row

    [–]BeyondFlame 0 points1 point ago

    Started at Diamond V, ended at plat v going 4-6...guess it could have been worse lol.

    [–]Hemenia 0 points1 point ago

    I was plat, did 5/3, still got to plat III (was plat I before, with a PlatI MMR).

    It just feels random.

    [–]Nazatu 0 points1 point ago

    No there is something wrong with the system. I haven't played my placements because of it. Even high diamond players like Best Riven NA or Crs Saintvicious were put into gold. In addition I had 2 friends both high Plat 1 with same LP gain/loss duo'd all 10 placements. they went 6-4 or 7-3 and one placed into plat 5 the other in silver 1, not sure how that works out.

    [–]Worst_smurf_NA 0 points1 point ago

    That's the point though--you went 7-3, so you actually moved up. Are you actually going to win 70% of your ranked games this season? No; one could argue you got a little "lucky." What if you had gotten a troll afk in one of those 10 games (or 1 more of those games if you had one), you'd be 6-4 and the difference in your starting spot would be at least 2 divisions (if not more), meaning dozens more hours spent for a 1 game swing in your placement.

    it's just random. people like what they can understand--like ELO. as long as Riot bases our rankings and leagues on some hidden, arbitrary number, most people will not be happy.

    [–]Tomoko_Kuroki 0 points1 point ago

    How do i go 5-5 from plat 1 and get the same placement as a plat 3 that goes 3-7?

    [–]baechu89 0 points1 point ago

    On average, the elo should go down since riot made the reset formula like that

    [–]Clawra 0 points1 point ago

    Just understand this,

    On my Diamond 1 account, after going 5/5 in placements, all of which were against other Diamond 1 players, meaning my win percentage should be around 50%, I was placed at Gold 1.

    My friend who was Platinum 4, went 9/1 in placements against other Platinum players, got placed in Platinum 2...

    Now that I am in Gold 1 with high MMR it will be like trying to climb in high diamond except it is in gold...