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I have to add.. Ok, those separate components are living on a rudimentary level, correct. The question remains when does the form they combine into become life.? At the single cell level before it's attached to the uterine wall? Once it's attached? Or when a face is formed at 12 weeks? Or when the brain begins to function and the nervous system develops? It's all very subjective..

The appendix is a life, shame on all those doctors giving people appendectomies. so what if appendicitis is a life threatening disease, it's still a life! They're all murderers.

"Sperm are alive, eggs are alive,"


Only if you masturbate maniacally!

Also, see that apple your eating? that's alive!



A and B are a false dichotomy

Now this is something I definetely agree with. As far as abortion goes, make your own choice. I really don't see why people are so concerned about another womans choice, especially when that choice does not affect them in any way.

However, since we are the dominant and intelligent species on this planet, we should most definetely be held responsible for how we treat the other animals. Animals are undeniably alive, they can feel pain, they have emotions whether we want to admit it or not. I certainly consider the issue you posted here to be more pressing than abortion.


yes but then you get the argument that:





Not really.  We can reliably observe that the foetus is alive. While biology has all sorts of ambiguous cases, this isn't really one of them.


Just like a fetus attached to its host's body..

"(if by "alive" you mean "a life")?"

Why would I possibly mean that?  I meant what I said to the word. 

Also, it's not at all strange to say that your toe is alive anymore than it would be strange to say it was dead if that happened to be the case.  Necrosis sucks 'n all, but it does happen.


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