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If your name is down, you’re not coming in

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UK's Smith is on her way out; she will be gone within weeks. She released this list for the first time and then went on a “Morning Chat Show,” for American’s think “The Today Show, and specifically addressed Savage charging him with acts/events he has never remotely been associated with.
This whole event is nothing but a publicity stunt in a desperate attempt to “change the subject” from the controversy that she is embroiled in regarding her “misuse of public funds” (slight exaggeration of the facts..how does it feel?).

Savage, (Dr. Michael Wenier, PhD. Author of 25 books and last four on NYT Best Selling lists) was simply a “high profile scapegoat” (radio audience equal to the population of Scotland, Ireland and Wales, combined) who the Obama Administration had given the “unofficial QT” to use as the “angry white man” on a list of 101 names which are >80% Arab/Islamic. Domestically in the US, his “listing” was to be the first attempt by the Democrats toward force nation-wide political talk radio, which is 90% Conservative, off commercial airspace via regulatory “changes” requiring “local community content” versus, nationally syndicated programmes.

Compete fu@k up in that:

1) Smith & Labour look like fools
2) This “attack” on US Talk radio’s #3 Personality, after Obama’s admonishment to Republican Leadership to “not listen to Rush,” derails any attempt by the SEC to “change broadcast standards” and
3) Give’s partisan opposition in both the US and the UK, a prima facia issue to attack the incumbent government.

As a footnote, Rush’s Arbitron numbers spiked +50% after Obama attacked him, I expect Savages will do the same!

Once sacked, even if Labour survives, Savage’s name will be quietly removed from the list so Hilary and Obama will not have to do anything.


Kudos to Jacqui Smith. The UK has the right to deny entry to this overt racist. I expect Sec. of State Clinton has more important duties than to come to the aid of this simpleton. He should feel quite at home with Muslim preachers, a Hamas activist, a homophobic Baptist pastor, a pair of Russian skinheads, a neo-Nazi and a former grand wizard of America’s white-supremacist Ku Klux Klan, all of whom were also denied entry. GO UK!


If I write a new account of the Second World War starring all the main historical characters but rewriting many of the central events and most of the actors’ utterances, will you say my account and that of Winston Churchill “have common origins”? (A merchant named Mohammed did something similar, writing many centuries after the original, rearranging and changing the historical account in favour of the Arabs, but mentioning all the famous characters. He offered no evidence for his revisionist version, claiming only that it was an angelic inspiration, and then proceeded to kill all who stood in his way.)

Anyone who thinks that the Koran and the Bible are similar is ignorant of their content, and fails to realize that the mass-murderer Osama and the martyr Jesus are both accurate models of fundamentalist believers in their respective books. The fact that Muslim civilization, Muslim tolerance and Muslim piety have frequently surpassed their Christian counterparts is as much a tribute to them as it is a condemnation on "Christians".

It's an interesting issue, but the relevance here is that a Jacqui Smith state is slowly smothering our freedom to criticize in emotional areas like religion, especially if that religion, like Islam recently, is prepared to incite mayhem and violence to silence the critics. If the Rule of Law does not apply in the arena of public debate, be the controversy over Islam, homosexuality or whatever, - if the state, for fear of violent reaction, or in the name of political correctness, surrenders OUR freedom , as I fear has happened here - all other freedoms must follow.

Robs Review

The comments of a blogger whose family once fled Germany are instructive. He writes: "I fear those that would deny Free Speech far more than those that would deny the Holocaust. The MAIN reason the Holocaust operated with impunity in Nazi Germany was because of the LACK of free speech in that nation."

It is worth remembering that it was the intelligentsia in Britain that painted Churchill as a warmonger and tried to ensure that his message about the gathering storm would be still born.


"funny mad hatter then that america's immigrant populations aren't nearly as radicalized as britains if our evil talk show hosts be sitrring em up all the time."

"This is just more trampling of human freedom in the name of protecting islam. Something europe is becoming quite famous for."

You pose a question, and then answer it yourself. The anti-Islamic sentiment is probably the reason there are less muslims in the US. Keep in mind the radicals preach "Death to America!" before they even mention GB/Europe.

Its also quite amusing to see the Christian zeal in defending the Bible while slating the Qur'an, despite the fact that they have common origins and views that are equally as extreme. The truth is that moderate interpretation is in fact ignoring parts of the religious text that are out of keeping with modern values, and so ultimately all religious individuals are either fundamentalists/extremists or hypocrites.

That said, I would have atleast liked the opportunity to laugh at this redneck hypocrite - Jacqui Smith as usual is the ultimate nazi.


When someone says something publicly they are probably trying to elicit a response, whether to have a neighbor curb a dog or perhaps bring down a civilization. In Britain's case political opinions surely intended for some effect, if in small part or collapse of the nation. By such standard a lot of people could be accused of extremist views, for they are advocating some type of change not everyone is going to like.

Excluding the worst of the worst raises the problem of where to draw the line, and by whom. It seems possibly a fine idea in principle, and no doubt some persons nothing but trouble with ill intent. But the flip side, and real hazard, lies in incremental loss of liberty and freedom for all. Such things have a way of expanding, and at what point is an otherwise good citizen verging on becoming an enemy of the state through no more than heartfelt grievances?

If Britain were to continue such policies, at minimum the standards and implementation should be on full public view and transparent. Anything less quite dangerous, potentially far worse than the problem they meant to address.


I am amused that so many people comment on the "extreme" views of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage, without listening to their programs. You have to give them a good month before you really understand what each of them is about. Be careful about labeling their views "extreme"- you run the risk of sounding ignorant to quite a few people. Extreme relative to what, I may add?

Savage is about borders, language, and cultures. If you'd listen to him, you'd understand fully what that means. Those largely define a country. It's ironic that as a staunch defender of borders (he is very anti-illegal immigration in the US, as even legal-immigrants should be) and pretends to be angry he's banned from Britain. He's laughing at this most likely.

Here in America we have "hate crimes" laws which judge the thoughts going through your mind when you break the law to make sure they are "pure." The fairness doctrine won't go away it seems (it'll be interesting to see that applied to all forms of media- Limbaugh would probably be on TV in no time). This latest issue with Savage coming from Britain, no offense, seems rather par for the course.


I personally do not like Michael Savage, but banning him from the UK is a heavy-handed move. He does not ask his listeners to go out in the street and assault people who disagree with them. He's pretty minor, in the grand scheme of things. His radio show has a relatively small audience, and personally I've found his listeners to be far less insane, overall, than the people who listen to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

I just don't understand what justification the British government has for this.


I've read the Koran and Savage has a point. I'm also here in the States and have had the unhappy experience of dealing with a kindergarten teacher who attempted to railroad my child into medication for autism. Very often parents just listen to these teachers and on their recommendation the child's doctor will begin drug therapy. Entirely too much of this happens without so much as darkening the doorway of a mental health professional, Dr. Savage is correct if he says that this situation is out of control. In my case the school psychologist had no problem stating unequivocally that my child was not autistic.


Mr Savage is a "shock jock". He has made comments that are inflammatory and comments that I don't agree with but he did not say anything but about autistic children. He is actually Dr. Savage and is a nutritionist. He believes as do many doctors that autism is being overprescribed and that children are overly medicated. His comments were misconstrued about autism. If you read the data now, almost every child today has some form of autism. Ridiculous!


Weiner-Savage is probably dancing with delight that Ms Smith put his name in the news again. It's been absent for some time. He has moved steadily to ever-less-popular time slots on the AM radio band for several years. A couple of more programming moves, and I predict retirement.

By the way, Mad Hatter, Savage is not a journalist and doesn't claim to be a journalist. Your comments about American news media may/may not be right, but Weiner-Savage is poor evidence for your case.


And just to put the record straight, while we're off the subject, the Canaanites were killed precisely BECAUSE they practised human sacrifice ! (I point out the irony for the amusement of observers...)

Mad Hatter


Your comment about Britain heading in a more authoritarian direction every day, along with the "Nanny State" and constant moralistic lecturing by the Labour Government is why I emigrated for the 4th time (always under Labour).

The police state, with camera's on every corner only seemed to help the government fine you for not be able to follow increasingly claustrophobic rules, rules (like the one's they came up with for the Gurkhas) which are impossible to follow.

All Governments hate criticism (why do you think His Tonyness emasculated the House of Lords?), but this government in particular is the worst.

Freedom of speech and a free press try to keep it in line.

As much as I despise what comes out of Savages gob, I feel the same about the drivel leaving Gordon Brown's insulting mouth as well.

That's the fun of freedom of speech, and my ability to say what I think about the clowns trying to run the UK - the only running Labour seems to be doing is into the ground.


I disagree with nearly everything that Mr. Savage has to say, but I defend his right to say it. It is a disgrace and very worrying turn of events to bar him entry. Only people who are clearly a significant threat to national security should be barred, and even then that should be used with caution.

Britain sadly seems to be headed in a more authoritarian direction every day. It is something that people should be worried about. Freedom is gradually being chipped away, piece by piece. There is also the ID card scheme, the recent law against taking photos in public, the religious hate bill and various other Orwellian measures. Orwell must be sitting up in his grave.


THe Hitlers and Obamas will be with us regardless religion is involved. But that's just me, superficially speaking.

Re Michael Savage, by branding the Koran as the book of hate,
he is implicitly drawing contrast with other religions, something the Christian members of his audience no doubt would've picked up on.
I would have no objection had he instead point out the troublesome way with which passages of the Koran was interpreted by Muslim fundamentalists. But I fear his audience might sweat a bit, intelligent as they are, to the parallel that present to the religious literalists in their midst.

Alas, I was merely trying to point out "something crooked" in M Savage's remarks, you see.

Robs Review

The phrase "views that clearly constitute a crime" shows the water level has begun to lap over the railings. When it is no longer possible to express an opinion in public for the sole reason that it is politically inexpedient to do so, that is the day democracy sinks out of the common mind.

As the song from the days of liberty put it, we're "Back in the USSR".


Superficially speaking, both religions and politics "preach similar ideas", but those who have studied them detect subtle differences between Hitler and Obama.

And if there's something crook about an ideology, you need to highlight the danger, even if doing so risks making your Weltanschauung look better by comparison. I didn't realize Weiner was promoting religion, though.


@RupertDeB, indeed the Jews loved the Canaanites, to death.

The point is, all religions preach similar ideas: love your enemies, care for the weak, seek ye reward in heaven, etc etc etc. It annoys me to no end to see some making a distinction of his religion by bringing out the worst elements of others. Such rednecking is not kool.


You don't seem to have reached the bit about "Love your enemies", "amused observer", nor even to have realized that the only kind of human sacrifice condoned by God is the one He Himself suffered at our hands on the cross.

As for Mr Weiner, I suspect it's his political irreverence rather than his vitriol that has incited Ms Smith's hatred towards him. If so, it's a bit sinister : gagging those who dare to question the Emperor's new clothes is a precursor to tyranny...


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