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economy and unsustainable over the course of the next several years. >> megyn: one thing we did hear the president reference personally, we heard it from nancy pelosi prior, but the president personally talking about now closing more loopholes and that means higher taxes. we don't know on who, but he would not specify any specific spending reductions and refusing to negotiate with the house republicans on the issue of the debt ceiling. lou, an interesting couple of months. looking forward to it. >> megyn: all right. thank you, sir. >> thanks, megyn. >> megyn: with the president refuse to go negotiate on that debt ceiling, it's coming and we're going to hit it and there's going to be a real question what we will do. he negotiated the last time and suddenly says he doesn't want to negotiate anymore and the republicans have drawn a line in the sand when it comes to these spending cuts, saying, if we don't see a dollar for dollar spending cut in the amount you want to raise the debt ceiling, there's no deal. what kind of progress can we hope for here? our political panel debates that com

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