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the interest of the middle class and the protection of social security, medicare and medicaid for the people who are in such desperate need of those great programs that are the hallmark of our country. we have repeatedly said and our caucus again just confirmed that job creation equals deficit reduction, and we must put the country back to work. we have proposals that are on the floor. we still believe that even with the -- what little time remains and what little time remains when we're actually working, this is still possible. this is still doable. this is not a democrat or republican issue. republicans believe that america needs to go back to work. it's just a matter of having the will to do it, the programs are out there. compromise can be made around the streamlining of regulations to make sure that we are putting people back to work. if chris christy and barack obama can get -- chris cristie and barack obama can get together on that, and i know what's transpired and how the impact of our infrastructure has taken place along the eastern seaboard, it's something we ought to be able to ra

billion out of medicare and now they want to make cuts to medicare and other entitlements part of the equation to get anything agreed to. we need to reform our social insurance system, particularly in medicare. we did that in the affordable care act and people forget the significant changes of medicare in that law and we ought to be content to let some of those actually play themselves out before we start messing around with something that's so important to 50 million americans. >> i believe you've pointed out in the past the cuts that were made with medicare are the same cuts that the president was attacked for during the election. >> exactly. these are savings, about a third of which were reducing the subsidy for insurance companies providing medicare advantage programs and the rest of them pretty much cut to providers and we didn't reduce services. we expanded some while leaving money over the long term and the cbo said the affordable care act will save $1.2 trillion. again, we need to be careful what we do with the medicare portion of the social safety net because we've act

security, medicare entry age raised with sizable entitlement benefits. that's literary where they are. can they get something big or go off the cliff? which a lot of democrats think now is not the worst thing in the world. gambling with the financial markets but hurting the gop and don't have to deal with what democrat told me is this constant utter nonsense that happens every time we have a budget negotiation. >> luke keeps referencing the polling, a "washington post"/pew poll that says 53% of the country will blame congressional republicans if be go over the cliff, 27% blaming the president. he is comfortable with those numbers which is why the swagger is the only word for it today at the business roundtable. >> absolutely. remember this is the second or third poll we've seen, so the republicans have had time to make their case and the public is not buying it. if you're the president, your hand is strengthened. there are polls that show there's a national journal poll people want this balanced approach. you hear the president talk about the balanced approach. yes, it's a great thing they

that the other major party wanted to take a hatchette to medicare. that -- that's what they wanted to do. now the election is over. and we're getting together to do the deal, and it's like, so do you want to tell them we're going to cut medicare? no, you tell them we're going to cut medicare. this is its thing -- nobody wants to cut medicare and everybody on capitol hill is trying to figure out who is going to break it to the american people. >> and we have a poll coming out today just how much the american people don't want them to be doing that stuff. the one thing the american people are certain about is, yes, let those top tax brackets go up. >> exactly. and republicans think this, too. maybe it's not a majority but something in the 40s. those rates are going up. and i think republicans understand it. i think a lot of what you're hearing, including from john boehner, is this posturing you have to do to make sure you can still raise money, obviously, as we were just saying. but at the same time, you've got to believe that he understands deep down, those rates are going up one way or anothe

by republican senator bob corker of tennessee, an idea we should raise the eligibility age for medicare. that is a wildly unpopular idea. more people oppose than support that idea by a 37% margin. it is more unpopular among republicans than the general public. republicans have not convinced their own voters let alone the rest of the country. they have not convinced their own voters on what they are trying to get in this big washington negotiation that is underway. republicans do not want the president out in the country talking to the people of the country about his ideas, which the country likes and about their ideas, which broadly speaking, the country hates. republicans do not want the president urging the american people to get involved on this, to call their member of congress, to invade their facebook pages and their twitter feeds. this is not a new strategy for president obama. this is the latest in a long line of efforts on the part of the obama white house to organize americans, to bring a grassroots campaign style efforts to bear on a policy debate. this not the first time the

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the specific programs. do you want to see social security messed with? no. medicare? no. medicaid? no. those are the big three entitlement spending. so the american public on a general basis may be behind the white house on this, but these house republicans care about what their hometown constituents want, because those are the people who just sent them back to congress even though they had these positions leading up to the election too. >> the house speaker is trying very hard right now with the help of his leadership team to hold the line. he is trying to get republicans to hold the line, because some of them are freaking out, and some of them are say, no, no, no, we've got to get out from under this thick, we've got -- this thing, we've got to get the president and the press off our backs, we've got to get away from this, and they're feeling the burn as christmas approaches. boehner's trying to hold the line and say we are the party that doesn't increase taxes. we've got to find a way to get think this, and he won't have as much negotiating power, he knows, if his team starts to get a lit

billion out of medicare in this initial round. to be named later. they are sort of determined not to fall for that again. megyn: it is exactly what happened to ronald reagan. he agreed to a tax hike for spending cuts or come later. he said that the biggest regret of his presidency is that he got the tax hike and he never got the spending cuts. we will see. there is a lot of pressure on the sides, especially on the gop side. tom bevan, thank you so much you think you. megyn: what do you think? some say it is the opening offer. but it's not. we only have 3.5 weeks ago. it is time to get down to business on capitol hill, who is to blame for the situation we are on on capitol hill? balmy on twitter. back in january 2000 and 1, our national debt stood at $5.7 trillion when president bush took office. it seems paltry now. when he left office, the debt was $10.6 trillion. as of this week, $16.3 trillion. the next debt ceiling limit is only about $100 billion away. that is the number we could reach in the next few weeks. democrats are suggesting that that be dealt with in this difficult negotiati


and republicans argue massive spending programs like medicare and social security must be dealt with in any kind of deal if you want to bring count deficit today. south carolina senator republican lindsey graham on that right now. >> social security and medicare are $50 trillion under funded combined. we need to adjust the age of retirement slowly but surely for people independent 55. because we are all living longer, you and i need to pay a little more because we can afford it. bill: senator graham saying he want more than anything else to get the country out of debt. and do it in a permanent way. martha: what would it mean with lawmakers fail to strike a deal. according to the tax policy center, 90% of american would see their taxes go up in 2013. and families making between $40,000 and $65,000 a year would have to pay an extra $2,000 to the u.s. government. that's not going to go down well. bill: we are four week away from going over that cliff as of today. what now, you wonder? kevin mccarthy out of california, he's coming up 60 minutes from now. martha: back to this tragic story we talked a

of raising rates. 1 trillion in spending cuts to including health care reforms such as raising the medicare retirement age and limiting the cost of living adjustments for social security recipient. meanwhile, a brand new poll dismisses the president's claims of a mandate to raise taxes. a survey of 800 obama voters split right down the metal on the political ppll on how they want obama to cut the deficit. 41 percent responded in favor of spending cuts. 41 percent of respondents saying they favor tax increases. the white house says it will offer a counterproposal to house speaker proposal. saying that unless he accepts tax increases on the rich the president is willing to go over the cliff. let's get straight to the politics of these developments and the rhetoric and possible economic impact of failure to resolve the issues. joining as, former special assistant to president george w. bush, a veteran political consultants and republican pollster. let's start, if i may, with you. do you think both sides right now are seriously ready to go over the cliff? >> i think the president is very ready


and the social security, medicare and medicaid. we have to did something with social security and medicare headed towards insolvency, we have to get americans back to work. continuing to extend the payroll tax fund which is nothing more than the defunding of social security and since we started that bad policy of the payroll tax cut, we've seen social security run a deficit and then with medicare, when you see about the american people paying about on average, 110 to 115 billion, i mean, million per year, beginning something, 300 million, i'm sorry, $300,000 of benefits over the course of their life, we have to do something about this fee for service program and get to a defined benefit and so we have to reform and protect and preserve the mandatory spending programs. >> one of the things i think you're best at, one of the communicators of the republican party, what do you tell people who feel they have been promised something, and paid into it and are worried about what either the ramps or democrats night do in congress that would put their security in jeopardy? >> well, first and foremost, we'r


no serious discussion by the white house on entitlements, on medicare and medicaid. this has to be a part of this agreement or else we just continue to dig the hole deep i. >> republicans are very frustrated that what's taking up oxygen right now is the issue of taxes. in fact, yesterday that's what happened. the first major public break inside the republican controlled house, oklahoma congressman tom cole who endorsed the president's short-term approach. >> in my view we all agree we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should just take them out of this discussion right now. >> if the president is willing to accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people and make them permanent, i think that is a point we should agree on. >> it almost sounds like jay carney at the podium when you hear tom cole these days. he's about to come on the show. we'll ask him about that. his idea was quickly sht down by sean duffy who did it right here on daily rundown. >> i think this is a minority position within the party. >> the goal here is to grow the econom

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and deductions. $600 billion in so-called health savings, which includes changes to medicare. 300 billion other mandatory savings. 300 billion in discretionary savings. this white house shot it down saying this until republicans in congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay higher tax rates, we won't achieve a balance. tonight, tom coburn of oklahoma, a man who's been called one of the keys to reaching a real deal. >> glad to be with you. >> let's begin with this letter that's addressed to the president and comes to majority leader boehner. in this letter, he sort of lays out part of his plan. what do you think of his plan as we've laid out so far? >> i think the first thing that i heard you say is the white house is already reacted negativively to it, which is really concerning to me. look, what he offered was what erskine bowles offered as a compromise to the democrats and republicans. i'm certain if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff because this is a compromise on taxes. this is a compromise on mandatory spending and it'


to pay. she paid into medicare many years. i think all seniors need to be aware and be prepared that this is what will happen to them. that's my experience. host: in philadelphia, rick is a democratic caller. caller: i cannot believe i got through. the last time i spoke with c- span was 2003. give me about a minute and 30 seconds. host: go! caller: i think barack obama should keep doing what he is doing, hold his ground. i think it is cold hearted and evil that these rich people don't want to pay what needs to be paid to keep the country running. everybody in the capital -- what is the definition of entitlement? people in the capital get pensions and free health care for not even doing anything, and personal cars and things like that. so do they want to be a country unto themselves, a country of texas or a country of florida? host: running out of time. we only have about 30 minutes for open phones this morning. i will have to let you go. the hottest property to emerge from obama's victory over the running is not the much lauded campaign theme, is something far more valuable that


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, which everybody knows we've got to do if we're going to keep medicare going. i don't think anybody in this body doesn't know that within ten years it will be broke unless we make the appropriate structural reforms now. the president continues to call for a balanced approach to deficit reduction, but in practice he's offering up all tax increases and no spending discipline. he has offered up nothing meaningful on entitlement reform. the proposal put forward last week by secretary geithner was embarrassing. i happen to like secretary geithner. i stood up for him under some trying circumstances on the finance committee before he was approved by the senate. and i did it because i believe he's a hard worker. i believe he's an intelligent man. and i personally like him. but my gosh, if i was the treasury secretary and the president gave me that plan to go up and show it to the leader of the house, the speaker of the house, i would have said, no, mr. president, you can't do this. this is an insult. if the president said you've got to do this for me, i would say, i think it's better for me

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? and on whom? second, what medicare and other spending cuts would you propose? people propose large numbers and never fill in details. but we have filled in the details with our first step. let them tell in the details of their first step. they have not done either, so it is not much of an author -- an offer. >> they did not include having the top rates go up on the wealthiest americans. their proposal goes right back to that class. charitable deductions, mortgage relief and legislation i have had them place -- in place. there is a whole range of things you have to go through. that is the point. we are not going to do that. we have to make sure that the wealthiest help pay down this large deficit. we have large discussions going on in the senate at various places. we know what the parameters are. the president is ready, willing, and able to sit down and negotiate this. >> the statement, we have done something. we want every tax rate to go up. the interesting part, we agree it should not go up. we disagree on the top 2%. why don't we go where we agree and make sure those folks in the middle

, stimulus tax extenders, the medicare patch, the mortgage plan they are is going to give mortgage credit. a lot of spending increases. you know, boehner is, i think you got to give him an a for being a valiant guy. he's down to 1.75 to 1 on spending cuts to revenues. now they originally wanted to start out with about three. the president's plan is zero spending cuts. i'm just saying boehner is down to 1.75 to one. that could be a problem, jimmy. >> we have the 800 billion which i read it and bloomberg is reporting the same thing, 800 billion is 800 billion before of what was based on economic growth, bring in more revenue. this $800 billion is done on a static basis, purely by getting rid of deductions. they are unnamed. this is a huge concession on the part of the house republicans and you're right. a balanced plan according to economists is one that's heavy on the spending cuts, light on the tax increases. that's what the house republicans have give end. still too heavy on the tax increases as opposed to the president's plan which was widely heavy on the tax hikes but harley any spendi

the rich is popular position about they know making difficult decisions like changing medicare to raise the age for example to lower the cost of medicare needs to be done is a very unpopular decision. they know that if a decision, if they don't come to a grand bargain, republicans are going to be blamed. so they have every interest in dragging this out and beating republicans over the head, over and over, while republicans by the way, have made some concessions. and are being beaten up by their own conservatives to the right. >> bret: are you seeing anything change? >> conservatives in leadership, republicans in leadership take heat from the base for southern. the president makes the case he has campaigned on raising taxes. and he won. keep in mind the republican leadership campaigned against raising taxes and they won. so their are beholden to their voters as well. i don't think the president wants to go over the fiscal cliff. he has his eyes focused on the legacy. he faces no pressure from the left. they're satisfied with him. let's be real. he has concessions from the republicans. th

% earn is going to have a new 3.% medicare tax added to it. 3.8%. 0.9%, mr. speaker, that's an increase in the medicare tax on the earned income of these folks. 3.8% increase on the unearned income, 0.9% increase on the earned income. 2.7%, mr. speaker. that's the medicare tax that that top 1% is already paying on all of their earned income today. it's going to go up another .9. they are already paying 2.7. the president says that's not enough. let me do some quick math here. they are only gg to have to pay one, mr. speaker, either the unearned income tax or earned income tax that would be 3.8% either way. they are paying 39.8, plus this 15.3, of course, on all those dollars that are subject to medicare and social security under the cap today, plus another 6% the average rate for state income tax today. let me add those. my home state of georgia, let me come back over here to these middle class taxpayers that appear to be paying 46.3% as a marginal rate of every dollar they earn. back over here to the high income folks, before they pay their payroll taxes, we have 44.8, and of course on

is designed to save money out of medicare, spread best practice. who better than mitt romney who's greatest achievement of governor of massachusetts, good enough to put in his portrait in massachusetts, out him as governor. who better to bring republicans into this cost cutting, health expansion, mitt romney. >> i know about 75 staffers. i'm trying. who are all better at anything involving that than this guy. but, so there's going to be the driveway. right? romney doesn't have to do the driveway microphones moment, but that's an interesting choice for him. does he do it? not do it? >> apparently, that's not going to happen. if you read jay carney's announcement of this, this will be a private lunch in the private dining room. it will be closed press. i mean -- >> you do have to enter and exit the building and -- >> it depends if his driver nows how to go down the west lobby and side, he could get exposed. every reporter is going to be waiting for him to answer those questions. >> what's our sense of how long he'll take to leave on what went on with these two people in that room? >> two prin

. you're right. folks who say get government out of medicare, there is no logic to what they're saying. do youdo you buy it, but boehner is trying to harness and hold together that is fraught with inconsistencies. >> well, first of all i agree with sam. i think-- >> eliot: am i outvoted? i'm not sure that i like this. >> it's a distinction without a difference in the first two groups, and i don't think there is a third group left not with any power. do i think boehner is trying to rein in his caucus by sending a couple of rookie pitchers down to aa? if john boehner wanted control of his caucus he could discipline paul ryan whose crazy economic inside are ideas are the hill that they're willing to die on. if john boehner wants to discipline somebody, let him get paul ryan out of the negotiation. >> eliot: i agree with you. i don't think that's likely to happen. only a few seconds left. dick army leaving freedom works with a mere $8 million self republicans pay. >> he's getting paid $400,000 year for the next 20 years for not coming in to work. his salary was $500,000 a year. so he's get



of the middle class, it voids our promise to seniors with steep cuts to social security and medicare, all to pay for even more handouts to the rich. at least we now know where they stand. republicans have sought to cover by invok invoking erskine bowle' name. he has disavowed their plan. we're glad to see the republicans join in the negotiating process. while their proposal may be serious, it's also a nonstarter. they know any agreement that raises taxes on the middle class in order to protect more unnecessary giveaways to the top 2% is doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it. president obama wouldn't sign such a bill. a understanand the american peot support it. that's in all the polls in the press this morning. the american people are tired of budget-busting giveway is to ths to the wealthiest 2%. the american people want a balanced deal. it must be higher taxes on the richest of the rich. republicans would be wise to keep that in mind as negotiations move forward. we're willing to compromise but we also will not consign the middle class to higher tax bills twill mill

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