

  (Source: EL Civics)




A small excerpt from the measure is:






Arizona is considering similar legislation.


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RE: Great
By Qapa on 2/17/2010 12:19:48 PM , Rating: 2
Couldn't they learn the power of silence? As in, being silent is better than saying dumb s***? :P Specially for legislation..

Sorry, but:
- climate is changing - always;
- we are definitely affecting climate, at least in micro scale - cities that have constant smoke fog over them, acidic rains, oil spills, ...

The question that people are still making is if we are causing GW and the simple answer is: of course! But to what extent?

- keep studying the subject;
- apply solutions to fix the problems that we see and which also may fix that problem - go with renewable non-polluting energy sources, start changing cars to electric (allows changing in the energy types used by changing the power plants);

And believe me that the numbers of money spent (for instance) in health due to city pollution is something that people should be taking into consideration - it makes all these "eco" solutions much more attractive.

RE: Great
By porkpie on 2/17/2010 12:33:12 PM , Rating: 2

God I love simple answers! Don't you? Simple answers are what told the ancient Sumerians they could sail off the edge of the world, and convinced the Greeks that thunder was caused by Zeus in a bad temper.

"And believe me that the numbers of money spent (for instance) in health due to city pollution "

Odd, I've lived in a large city all my life and never been to the hospital because of "pollution". Never met anyone who has, either.

I know there ARE some hypersentitive individuals and those with chronic asthma that can be affected...but in all honesty, you're trying to grossly exaggerate the effects here.

Even worse is the fact that over half of all air pollution comes from a single source: the coal power plants that environmentalists have kept running the past 30 years by blocking all things nuclear.

RE: Great
By alphadog on 2/17/2010 1:08:46 PM , Rating: 5

Anecdotal evidence is so useful.

RE: Great
By porkpie on 2/17/2010 1:25:22 PM , Rating: 2
"Anecdotal evidence is so useful"

As opposed to the firm figures you presented?

Here's a figure for you. In a single three-day period in London, over 4,000 people died from air pollution caused by coal smog. In just three days time. The air was so black, people had to walk in front of cars and buses to direct the drivers.

The year? 1952.

Care to estimate how many have died in the entire COUNTRY in the last 10 years from smog?

Air pollution is a problem we've essentially almost entirely solved. Maximizing it for scare tactics is just plain silly. The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.

RE: Great
By SPOOFE on 2/17/2010 6:28:06 PM , Rating: 3
Anecdotal evidence is so useful.

Some decades back, Los Angeles would see dozens of Hazardous Air warnings a year. Nowadays they see a handful, maybe two or three a year, if any. And that's with more stringent air quality guidelines.

Anecdotes? Huh?

