Sunday, October 27, 2013




What do you say, French readers? Agreed?






















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Anonymous said...

As about Fouché: The german wiki adds: "He left his children a fortune of 14 million francs." In actual terms, he'd be at least a triple agent, working for all sides.

I'm german, not french. But for sure the champagne is still in the bottle.
Fighting fire with oil never has never been a good strategy. Why should we do it now, then?
Defending democracy with undemocratic means can't be the way. Our ancestors fought hard to install human rights, and as a german I know well what it means to live in a totalitarian state. If we don't watch out, we'll lose every right we once had.

Anonymous said...

It's an insult to Champagne !
Avery big offense here. (Pronounce the second a like a in a tart, not like a in L.A.)

The US were isolationist after WW I but there was intense spying and counter spying all across Europe at that time, including of course the Soviet countries and would-be fachist ones. The international organizations of coutries, and the settlements they chose were very awkward and lead to a second catastrophy. This, and the Great Depression, was open information.

Laprimavera, Fouché and his like Talleyrand were actually grand masters, but French people dislike them, only historians can. It's said an angry Napoléon told Talleyrand "You are a turd in a silk stocking."
Only Vidocq makes us laugh, a master thief turned head of the french police - he knew it all, and all of them.

Anonymous said...

@ 2:05,

The Roaring Twenties wouldn't have produced the dynamics you speak of, would it?

Indicative rather than awkward.

Anonymous said...

@ 7:25
Indicative if you want to understand it that way, I wouldn't disagree, but the dynamics were very complex and different in US, UK and in mainland Europe. I still think arrogance, selfish ignorance and unstainable settlements played a huge part there.
It was playing with fire to require record war damages from Germany that in fact bleeded as much as they bleeded us - that was their stupid strategy, and couldn't pay because of the depression and their super inflation. The reorganization of powers after WW I was a mess, wasn't it ?

Anonymous said...

Yes, we already know that many people in the US seriously believe that their every action is doing the rest of the world a favor and can only ever lead to positive results. The US is "exceptional", after all!

Anonymous said...

At anon @ 1:55 am: It is precisely the American attitude of superiority and self-righteousness that makes surveillance by them particularly "uncomfortable." After all, there were similar attitudes and practices (minus the technology, of course) before in history with disastrous consequences - see Nazi Germany.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 1:03 PM
The US IBM technology sold to Germany enabled them to hunt the Jews in a terrific and efficient way.

Anonymous said...


and the data that the IBM tech utilized was provided by .. police depts.

"attitude[s] of superiority and self-righteousness"

Anonymous said...

He he, it just looks like Dante's figure of Inferno .

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