Yet Another Deepak Interview

Since he’s on my Facebook list, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that these interview excerpts keep appearing in front of me.  At first I assumed it might be similar to the others, but only a few seconds into hearing it he mentions my favorite subjects:  ‘What is the nature of reality?’  ‘What is the nature of perception?’   ‘What is consciousness?’ which captured my attention immediately, so here goes with yet discussionswdeepakinterview.jpganother personal transcription of his short interview:


Unknown-to-me interviewer: “Deepak, what is Metahuman?”

Deepak:  “Metahuman is waking up to what is reality.  If I asked ‘What is reality?’ What is everyday reality? It is THIS (gesturing around him, lists a few things and people). ….. On the one hand this is true. On the other hand it is not true at all, because what we call everyday reality is a human interpretation of perceptual experiences.  So who am I?  I AM this being. This person.  And who is the other? (Pointing around) That, that, that…is the other.  This is a learned perception—it is a human perception too and an interpretation of perception.   Before we can call an object ‘THAT’ or ‘THAT’ (chair, crystal, vase, etc.) it is an experience.

This… (he lifts a red phone from the table) is color, form, and shape.  Color is an attribute of the physical world but there is NO color in the physical world.  Color is electromagnetic radiation ….  And if you trace that perceptual activity back to its Source, you will end up with Awareness or Consciousness (which are ‘attributes’ of Source).

When you take (all sensations—sight, hearing, taste, smell) back to their roots, to its Source, you end up with Consciousness knowing itself as THIS (the phone in his hand).  …. So the only thing Conscious does is know itself through its self-excitations.  We take a bundle of these excitations (sensings) and make them concrete as the objects, including our own bodies.

 Metahuman is waking up from this delusion, which is basically a dreamscape in which that which we call your body-mind (the interviewer) and that which we call this body-mind (himself)…and that which we call the universe, etc., …so metahuman is waking up from that dreamscape to where the dream is conceived, constructed, governed and comes into me.

For simplicity we can say I AM (Source), before we can say I am me.  I am Deepak.”


The World Is Our Mind’s Reflection

Just listened to a short excerpt of Hota Kotb hodadeepaktoday.jpgon Today Show doing an interview with Deepak Chopra pertaining to his new book: METAHUMAN, and thought I’d share a few quotes that caught my ear.

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Deepak:  “The best advice I can give…is don’t take yourself seriously.  You’re here today and gone tomorrow.”

“If you are taking yourself seriously you will be offended by others for the rest of your life.”

“The whole purpose of our existence is to find our own joy, to experience and maximize the experience of love, and to then find some meaning and purpose to our existence, and to be healthy.  And that is all.”

“Everyone is doing the best that they can from their present state of awareness.  Everybody is doing the best that they can from their own (behavioral) conditioning, which goes back to their childhood—what they heard from their parents.”

“Anytime you look at the world, you are actually looking at a reflection of yourself.  So when people criticize you, they are actually reflecting what they think of themselves.”

(She asks him: ‘In this moment where are you?’)

Deepak:  “I am at peace…I am totally at peace.  It’s easy.”

She responds with, ‘You’re right though—that’s all there is. What are we sweating?’

“Yes, take it easy. (Don’t automatically react to negativity or criticism around you)….We become biological robots constantly being triggered by people and circumstances, into predictable outcomes.  That’s a terrible way to live. You’re at the mercy of every stranger on the street.   They say something nice; you are flattered for the rest of your life.  They say something nasty; and you’re offended for the rest of your life.  What a way to live.”

To which she repeats: ‘What a way to live.  You’re right.’


What’s In a Name?

This post by Alberto Villoldo sums up my personalshakespearwhatisname654.jpg philosophy about ‘names’ in general or in assigning ‘the doings of our life’ descriptions to ourselves for the benefit of others who are busy trying to classify us in their own minds in some way, i.e.:  I’m a teacher….I’m a writer…I’m a helpful/not-so-helpful person…besides evidently being impatient and rude to friends, etc.  (It’s a wonder that I have any friends. 🙂 )

Yesterday sitting around the table at a group gathering, a friend was doing a lengthy explanation to the rest of us about a sudden personal revelation that she had had. It pertained to how she now ‘defined’ herself in some way—meaning, she said it defined WHO she is now, as opposed to WHO she was in the past (or at least how she saw herself from then to now).

Not being a (name) socially polite or (name) patient person myself, through all the elaborate bobbing and weaving in her lengthy story, I rudely cut in and asked, “But WHO are you?”   I mean wasn’t that the entire point of the whoamiquote234.jpgstory? Who are you now, that you weren’t two weeks ago?  Wasn’t that the most important thing for her to know that she had suddenly discovered on her life journey?

She looked a bit miffed at (name) old-rude-me, and then smilingly said that if I’d just let her finish, she would have told us who she was.  With me now properly but politely chastised, she started the story again, winding here and there, here and there, and guess what?  She never did tell us WHO she now was; instead she simply told us what she planned to do or to pursue in the near future.

Eh, ….that’s not the same thing is it? Who you are and what you do? Not to me anyway.

So this morning Alberto puts out this post about using names and identifying yourself in certain ways that tend to become self-fulfilling prophecies.  And not surprisingly, he makes my point below far better than I just did above, so I listed it here in its entirety.



 Alberto Villoldo  (on Facebook)

I am.

These are two of the most powerful words in our language. Whatever words we place after these two words shapes our reality for the entire day, and sometimes for the rest of our lives.

The first time you experience your “I am” is when you learn your name.

For a long time, I introduced myself as “I am Alberto,” instead of saying “My name is Alberto.” I believed I was my name, which was also my grandfather’s name; it was the extension of the story of my family. What I knew about our family history revealed that we were pirates and highwaymen, with an occasional slave owner and merchant on our family tree─not much to look up to, really.

When you say, “I am <your name here>,” you rouse the spells of your ancestors. Some of these spells are about your health and how you will live and how you will die. When you go to your doctor, she asks what your parents died from. Breast cancer, heart disease, dementia─she tells you that your destiny has been cast, that it is written in your family genetics. When you go to the therapist, she shows you that the stories that run in your family leap from one generation to the next, until you become just like the mother or father you vowed you would never become.

If you live long enough, you will get to ask the question Who am I?

It is a terrible question, because it launches you on a journey into places and experiences that are unknown. You realize that you are not your name, that you are not your family, that you are not your job or any of your myriad roles in your life. That you hate Brussels sprouts and love the opera is not, I repeat not, who you are. Until you begin to transform the dream of security, you do not have the foggiest idea of who you really are.

But ask the question; this is a step in the right direction.

When my father was in his seventies he called early one morning and said to me, “Alberto, I have been living someone else’s life. I have tried to be a good husband, a good provider, a good person. But I have no idea whose life I have been living.” And for the next few years after he asked himself that question, he lived his own life until he died. I like to think that my father died at the age of five, but it was a well-lived five years.

After you spend a long time discovering that you can’t be defined by your name or by your nationality or by your gender ─ that all of these are real but not intrinsically true ─ you begin to understand that what you thought was your life and your identity was only a daydream.

You let go of the need to place something after “I am ____,” because you now recognize it is a complete statement (without filling in the blank).”



The Loss of Collective Innocence

Again I’ll mention that I don’t know beans about astrology, zodiastarsconstellations.jpgbut I do know that the correlations between various light sources (direct light from the sun vs. reflected light from all other planets and moons, stars, etc.)  plus their mutually affecting orbits, gravities and counter-gravitational forces on each other, do form verifiable patterns of effect on which astrology bases its theories of planetary influence in the cosmos.  That disclaimer made, I listened to Kaypacha’s “Astrology for the Soul for Sept. 18th, 2019”, and heard this:

We are in the midst of the Great Awakening….  because Uranus is in Taurus for another 6 years.  It’s the end of illusionALL illusion dies—a lot of our dreams and illusions are crumpling down now—falling apart. Was our reality so real after all?  Or was it all a fantasy in our minds? …We’re feeling suppressed and overwhelmed…”   (Everything is feeling so overdone… so heavy.  Is this awfulness that we’re experiencing right now as a collective what LIFE is really about, or is LIFE what we make it?)

He continues:

“We’re all feeling lots of grief now—the need for letting go of the past—Saturn’s been sitting stationary for so long—forcing self-reflection on us…but Saturn is going direct now and taking that past away.   So wake up…what you’ve been doing in the past has created bad karma, so stop doing that bad stuff that damages your living environment.”

To which I wondered ‘Do we even know what “bad stuff” we are doing, consciously or not?’  Some things might be more obvious than others—like climate change, global warming, and ecological disasters. But I’m sure that the deeper psychological effects on us individually are much harder to determine.

Anyway, I’ll list the video here if you want to view it but he raises some interesting points for consideration.


New Paradigm Astrology

When I’m feeling overwhelmed, A victim with no control, I need to get up, get out and shout, If only to hear myself roar.


We are experiencing, along with stern Father Time standing still, a preponderance of 3/4 squares. The 270 degree square is considered a “crisis in consciousness.” Sun/Moon, Mercury/Saturn, Venus/Saturn, Jupiter/Neptune are all conspiring to make us all more conscious. At some point the question may arise, “Just how conscious do I wanna be?” It’s all about “growing up,” says Saturn. Part of that is the loss of innocence, which can include spontaneity, fun, play, joy, and fantasy/dreams. The “it’s all gonna be OK” can get drowned out by “You are responsible for correcting the situation or it won’t be OK!”

While this is part of the evolutionary process, the truth is, it may not be fun changing our ways, letting go of unconscious behavior patterns, and accepting the responsibility. At times like this it is also healthy to have patience with ourselves, accept that we are striving human beings and feel the loss of innocence and the grief, anger, and pain that may be involved. The north node in Cancer says it’s OK to cry, scream and shout when our toys get taken away. Bottling up our feelings in order to grin and bear it can also have negative impact in the present or down the road. So let out a big roar!”      Kaypacha Lescher


How to Create Order from Disorder—Feeling the ELEPHANT

This morning I saw a Facebook post of a video clip of Dr. Joe and his LondonReal interview on how to change yourself and the world for the better. It’s called joeunlockmindpiuc.jpg“UNLOCKING THE HUMAN MIND: How to Rewrite Your Story “  ( )  It’s worth a listen.  (Just click thru the ads to get to it.)

Also this morning Alberto Villoldo villaldobloghealingfisrt45.jpgput out his blog post of a personal healing story that was his primary initiatory healing experience in Peruvian shamanism, called:  “TASTING PEACE: MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH ENERGY HEALING”

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While both are quite different in content, they both allude to the ability to change our situations and ourselves by shifting our focus from the material world’s limitations and set patterns of belief into Source’s quantum energy field that both initially creates and then sustains us, because everything that we experience in this life is all about ENERGY and how we exist in our purest state—which is simply as ENERGY itself.

Both viewing options offer interesting perspectives, and both shed light on a subject that for some might be a little hard to fathom, yet it is the basis for life as ‘we know it,’ and as we have ‘yet to know it’.

Whether alive or dead to this physical world, we are still energy units and will always remain as energy units. That energy part of us continues on into infinity because energy never ceases to exist, it simply transforms into other uses for it.


During this life experience our conscious awareness expands and transforms as we ‘grow it’; and upon our passing from the earth that grown consciousness then uploads to the Greater Source Consciousness.  We are all continually expanding the Greater Source Consciousness—which some would say is simply Source (GOD) exploring itself.

From my personal perspective, I’ve spent the last twenty years as an energy worker of some sort, whether in REIKI or Shamanism or even in hypnosis (because to better understand the subconscious mind is to delve into the ocean of energies where it exists in a myriad of forms).

With each discipline learned, I gained a different perspective on energy healing that allowed me to, as the old parable stated, “describe the ELEPHANT by a committee of 6543blindmenandelephantblind-men”.  If you are unfamiliar with that parable, here is a brief summary: To one blind-person standing at the rear of the beast, the elephant was like a rope because he held the tail. To another blind-person at the front, the elephant was like a coiling snake because he held the moving trunk. To yet another it was a huge boulder (the side), or a large tree trunk (the leg).

In effect, to each blind-person the elephant was something limited in scope and understanding—each part relatable only to that in which they were touch-familiar.  Because they were all blind, no one person by themselves could see the total picture of ELEPHANT because each one was limited to what part they could actually feel before them.

Source energy—the quantum field as it is often called, has presented itself to me over the years like I was one of those blind-people describing that enormous, unfathomable elephant.  REIKI described it one way. Shamanism described it another way, and hypnosis yet a different way.  All healing modalities were effective in how they explored the subject, but none had the total picture of how all those differing techniques actually functioned within the quantum field itself and transformed the unharmonious situations with a client.

Because I’m an ‘I want to know the BIG PICTURE’ type of person, I think this ‘blind-persons’ committee’ is still out on how Greater Source Energy (GOD) or the Quantum Energy Field actually works.

But I did conclude that after twenty years in energy work I now better understand the amazing energy healing powers of REIKI by learning a different perspective on energy jamesorschmanquoteenergy43.jpgwork from shamanic healing. Just as I better understand now how shamanic healing can be so effective in some instances after learning the theories and techniques of hypnosis.  In fact to me, it seemed easier and more client-empowered to do things like soul-retrieval and past-life healing using hypnosis, rather than shamanism where I went from being the “healer” in those shamanic-client situations, to simply creating the healing environment for the client to heal themselves using hypnosis.

So to ‘still-inquiring’ me with various forms of energy healing under my belt, the Quantum Energy Field is the same ELEPHANT that you’re feeling around on no matter where you stand, it’s just from one location I’m holding the ELEPHANT’S tail, and the other location I’m holding the trunk.

But no matter what I’m doing in energy work, I still want to see the BIGGER PICTURE—I want to see THE ENTIRE ELEPHANT itself and understand WHY it is standing there so prominently in front of me.  And most importantly, I want to know how best I can utilize ITS presence, because that subject pertains to my inquiries into the nature of reality and the nature of consciousness.  What the heck IS that ELEPHANT? What makes that ELEPHANT what it is?

But back to the video/post shown above, both Dr. Joe and Alberto here are talking about using the quantum field for healing—in effect they are both feeling around on that ELEPHANT—focused in different ways, using different techniques for doing so.

It’s just a very large ELEPHANT.



Deepak on the META HUMAN


This interview came through this morning on Deepak’s Facebook site pertaining to his latest book called META HUMAN.  I listened to it and wished there were a transcript to put on my blog (so I typed as I listened) because it’s about my favorite subjects—the nature of reality and the nature of consciousness. Amazingly he was fairly clear here in his descriptions but didn’t go into details on how you become that META HUMAN, which I would assume he covers in his book and is likely the result of direct-connecting into Source Consciousness (through meditation, etc.) and keeping that cleared channel open to create your new ‘reality’ experience.


In a conversation with celebrated Yoga Teacher, Eddie Stern, internationally acclaimed spiritual teacher, Deepak Chopra, describes the concept behind the title of his latest book, Meta Human. In this exclusive video, we hear directly from the author on what constitutes biologically informed human behavior — or what he refers to as “a bundle of conditioned reflexes” — and how we can reach ‘beyond’ that. The ‘perceptual band’ of humanity is what informs what we call ‘reality’, so how can expanding consciousness increase our perceptual bandwidth?

“What is the META HUMAN? …  (Deepak Chopra speaking) choprapicface567.jpg

“So the word META means beyond. That’s all it means. Meta-physics is beyond physics. …It’s a branch of philosophy. And META HUMAN is going beyond what we usually see as human behavior. …

“(:47) But by and large, human behavior is robotic. We are like biological robots. Constantly being triggered by people and circumstances to predictable outcomes. …Like a bundle of conditioned reflexes.  And so not only do we have the same reaction over and over again, sankrit sanskara determine these actions or these are habits that create what we call the conditioned mind.

And the conditioned mind then projects the experience that we call the body and the universe.  So the world that you are experiencing right now, or that anyone is experiencing …is actually a world that is projected by the conditioning of consciousness as THIS, that we call ‘the physical world’.

So META means going beyond that.  Actually META is disruptive. You are no longer that bundle of conditioned responses and nerves. You have access to …DIRECT access to insight, to intuition, to inspiration, to creativity, to the power of intention.  You are not rigidly attached to your point of view.  You start to lose you habitual certainty that prevents you from knowing who you really are. …


“( 2:48) … What we call everyday reality is the interpretation of a very narrow band of perceptual activity. We call it the WORLD. …We call it REALITY. But what it is, is an interpretation of our perceptual activity which in the human species, or any species, is a very narrow band of a species-specific perceptual activity which is actually an excitation of consciousness. Ok? 

So your experience of the body is the same, …is created in the same way you experience the world. So when you shift to META HUMAN everything changes, because reality is different in different states of consciousness. The physical body is different in different states of consciousness. The mind is different in different states of consciousness.  Perception is different in different states of consciousness. Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness.”


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Metahuman is a wonderful explanation—and exploration—of the very highest and ultimate potentials that human beings possess, known around the world as Enlightenment, Awakening, the Great Liberation. What is not generally known is the secret revealed at the very heart of the great wisdom traditions—namely, that you already possess this ultimate potential; it is fully and totally present in you, right here and right now. All you have to do is recognize this ever‑present reality. If you would like to know exactly how to do this, Metahuman is a terrific place to begin!” —Ken Wilber, The Integral Vision and The Religion of Tomorrow

“We might suppose that the vastness of space-time, with its myriad stars and planets, comprises the preexisting stage for a ceaseless drama of life in which we are bit players. In Metahuman, Deepak Chopra persuasively invites us to turn this supposition on its head. We are the authors of space-time; we can wake up to our impressive stagecraft and embrace our true role.” —Donald Hoffman, Professor of Cognitive Sciences, University of California, Irvine, author of The Case against Reality





During my studies of Andean Shamanism and Native American cultures, I ran across the legend of the HEYOKA—the Fool—the Clown—the Contrarian, that I’ll briefly share here.

The Heyoka of a tribe was the person who often acted opposite to tribe rules and to socially acceptable norms; and he especially enjoyed performing the opposite of whatever might be expected from him, because he stood out better that way—he received far more attention from others, even if it was undignified comments at best.

Here’s a Wikipedia description:

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The Sacred Fool kept everyone alert to tribe anomalies by accentuating them so that all could more readily see the problem developing within the tribe’s governing structure or within growing member discontent and divisiveness.

But never did the tribe make a Heyoka the Tribal Chief—the leader of the tribe—because to do so would lead the tribe right off a cliff, or at minimal, lead them right into frictional group chaos, because that’s what Heyokas were best at doing—creating chaos wherever they went.

I personally think that’s what we are presently undergoing in our nation—we’re being lead by the tribe’s Heyoka.


The best behavioral example a Heyoka can ever demonstrate is to show you what NOT to do.

And he’s doing that really well.