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[–]johnysmote 59 points60 points  (1 child)

I'm not anti-vax at all...I am just 100% for informed consent.

[–]i_give_free_hugs3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Though I'm guessing you're arguing for informed consent of possible side effects of such substances, which is different to OP's idea of the government having an avenue of "nuking" humans. How would you be completely informed of the latter without performing your own research on a confirmed sample?

[–]BettieNuggs 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Agreed- I’m pro vaccine at a base level but also am totally aware how they’ve gone around slaughtering people across the globe to get those few good ones working well. Look at Zika- it was always there and never caused the defects and hasn’t after- but that area of Brazil got a new shot to test for pregnant women and new moms ... do I think they did it “on purpose” ? No- I think they have to human test and it’s the dirty part of the industry. But I don’t think it’s some cabal saying “let’s go kill some Brazilian babies”.
I believe the vaccine debate helps people ignore the fact they poison us with our drinking water and packaged food products. They let us spin out on worrying about a vaccine while poisoning water in most all our schools and allowing the poisoning of local water systems. The correlation between increased rates of mental and physical deformities and retardations is blatant. The vaccines and chipping has been an issue since the early 90s and never has materialized the way autism has with water pollution- for small example

[–]ivrt 46 points47 points  (8 children)

Nothing excites the capitalist in me as much as making a product and having the government mandate that every single person in a nation must buy my product.

[–]xNovaz 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Whilst having 0 liability for the harms that occur due to my product.


[–]ivrt 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Exactly. So sure while vaccines are amazing I believe they need wrenched out of the hands of people who put money ahead of lives. For profit should never be the motivation of any medical professional.

[–]ObeyTheCowGod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are absolutely not amazing.

[–]redditready1986 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They really aren't amazing.

[–]Just-For-Porn-Gags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are now more cases of polio from the oral vaccine then there are cases of wild polio, all vaccines definitely aren't awesome

[–]time4liquor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Once there is government involvement forcing the purchase of a product it ceases to be capitalism.

[–]DeadEndFred 42 points43 points  (3 children)

I hear ya. I’m not anti-vax but I don’t like the idea of blindly trusting the government, big pharmaceutical companies and the scientists they employ. I mean, where else is a manufacturer not liable at all when their product fails or is deemed unsafe? What a racket.

We can clearly trust our government given: Tuskegee experiments, Operation Paperclip, US infecting Guatemalans with STDs, Project Oakridge, MK-Ultra, Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, Iraq WMDs etc.

The largest pharmaceutical lawsuit settlement of all time was reached in 2012 when GlaxoSmithKline agreed to pay $3 billion ($2 billion in civil penalties and $1 billion in criminal fines). The lawsuit involved the fraudulent sale of antidepressants for unapproved uses and failure to report safety information about a diabetes drug. The settlement also covered claims of improper marketing of several other drugs.

I’m sure many remember Vioxx being taken off the market due to increased heart attack and stroke risks.

There are tons more.

[–]Turpekus 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Initial reports of vioxx deaths were 20k, later 50k...it could have been as much as 500k, because heart attacks couldnt be always be attributed to it.

After vioxx was taken off the market, the national average for heart attacks dropped at a historic rate. Merck were basically mass murderers, and they knew all along.

[–]venCiere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Merck makes the majority of US vx’s too.

[–]redditready1986 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And they still profited and with no real damage done to their company at all

[–]peaceful_rayn 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Great post.

[–]FamousTiger 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I would leave a country to avoid vaccinations

[–]SolarRadationManager 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Where you going to head?

[–]FamousTiger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With the UN gradually taking control of the world, it is going to get difficult, Nordic countries still good for now

[–]elnormous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds good to me!

[–]moeronSCamp 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Funny you mention Hitler because Bayer, a subsidiary of IG Farben (the Nazi economic powerhouse), now owns Monsanto. You have Pharmaceutical Nazis who now own Monsanto.

Do the fucking math.

[–]Tractorista 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you..... This issue in particular, people on this sub should know better

[–]Censormetimbers 8 points9 points  (1 child)

As long as vaccines are sold for profit, safety is a secondary concern.

[–]FamousTiger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And as long as the same companies that make the vaccines can profit from the diseases their vaccines cause, the goalposts are in the wrong place.

[–]formulated 16 points17 points  (4 children)

We certainly do live in an upside down world where pro-vax taking a jab at Anti-Vax include punchlines about dead children and that's normal.
But Anti-vax awareness means 'just please ask questions, we don't want anyone to die' but that is considered crazy.

Truly pro-vax people are in such denial that others can be harmed by allergic reactions and vaccine manufacturing flaws let alone the extremely common cases of medical negligence - because they've been told, vaccines are the safest thing on the planet. Doctors make mistakes, but somehow, never ever ever with vaccines.

Imagine the psy-op. Some vaccinations are good and essential. The cocktail of 30 other ones they now give to children are bad. Invest in the anti-vaxx movement - now all bases are covered. Children die of preventable diseases and children die from vaccine caused diseases.

[–]xNovaz 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Antivaxxers care more about children dying from infectious disease than Provaxxers. Why do I say this? Because they use these horrible deaths as an example to push the narrative of forced vaccination.

They DO NOT ever consider co-factors or the potentially dangerous/effectiveness of medical interventions.

And when it comes to vaccine-injured children (or adults!) they push the idea that its misinformation, hoax, or a myth. There is no empathy.

[–]SoccerDude1657 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Except most anti-vax people believe that vaccines are literal poison.

[–]SultanPepe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah good point. it's actually closer to venom than poison, i guess.

[–]Palehorse78 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In my area, you get a 10 dollar gift certificate to Publix grocery store if you get a flu shot. These people are desperate to put their poison in us.

[–]bittermanscolon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What I find very strange is that while Pro-Vax is always blaming the Anti-Vax for endangering everyone, Anti-Vax is seemingly trying to look out for and warn people of a disastrous possibility.

It's a fabricated conflict produced by vaccine makers into dissuading you or anyone from considering or thinking that those concerns can only come from insane people. Their efficacy must always be protected.

In reality, it's the entire opposite situation. They own the discussion and they control the narrative and they control people's thoughts on this topic. Their products are flawed and almost used to damage the population as a whole rather than keep people "healthy".

[–]ThrowDeadAway 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The US has a history of human experimentation. So do pharmaceutical companies. Allowing them to force something on the entire population is one of the stupidest things I've ever been exposed to.

[–]heartsandmirrors 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not an anti vaxxer but I too would be wary of any laws that force you to be injected with any substance even a beneficial one.

[–]WarlordBeagle 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Vaccination has risks. Non-vaccination has risks.

You should understand the risks and choose what you think is best for your child.

[–]Cryptic-Spanner[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, the idea though that this system we have created to do good might one day be the biggest killer of all if it becomes corrupted like nearly everything else seems to have, ultimately people should remain free to choose.

I can't be the only one who over the last decade has seen a prolific rise in peer pressure from the media and people who believe so strongly that they joke about people's children dying in order to... protect themselves better?

[–]Manixxz 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I think there's very good reason for concern and distrust

These people are not our friends, no matter what way you look at it.

[–]opi_oid -2 points-1 points  (0 children)


[–]Michelleisaman 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I don't trust the government whatsoever, so when they insist that vaccines are completely safe, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, its easy to speculate about the type of very dark things that you are suggesting.

Its also funny when people assume "anti-vax" people think vaccines don't work. I know they work. Or at least they can work. The flu shot doesn't work, but other vaccines work, at least for several years afterwards (not a lifetime as they would like us to believe.) If I get bit by a raccoon, I'm going right to the hospital and getting a rabies shot, because I'm not a fucking idiot. And likewise, I'm going to decline the mmr shot, because measles is a very minor illness, and the risk of the mercury/aluminum/possible cancer viruses in the vaccine far outweigh the danger of measles.

I'm sure the rabies shot is not good for you at all, but its a million times better than rabies, which literally has a 100% death rate in humans. They want to blur the lines between all illnesses, and all vaccines. Rabies and measles are not equally bad. The flu and polio are not equally bad. Bacterial meningitis and chicken pox are not equally bad. At some point we have to ask why we're injecting 1 year olds with aluminum into their blood stream to vaccinate them from a very mild illness that has actually been shown to protect against certain cancers later in life.

And when the government and big pharma become deranged and insist that I'm a lunatic for saying what I'm saying, then that's all the evidence I need for me to know that they cannot be trusted and they have ulterior motives, whether it be to maximize profits, or something much more sinister.

[–]truthzealot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TIL about "Rabies Vaccinosis" (and vaccinosis in general) can actually cause rabies-like symptoms

TIL there are natural treatments that are effective for Rabies

TIL Rabies takes a few months to reach the brain and begin serious symptoms

[–]troy_caster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I take no issue, and even agree with the underlying premise of vaccines. Why wouldn't you, if scientifically, it's 100% safe and effective? Or even if you were reasonably informed that a (much smaller percentage) of people get an adverse reaction.

However, whatever vaccines are right now, it's not science. Not even close. That's where I draw the line. That and any compulsory vaccination.

[–]hindererXM18 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I have the same fear as OP and go further by not believing that the things they want us vaccinated for are really that bad. The cases of Polio actually causing permanent damage or minimal and the flu? Don’t care. Chicken pox? Didn’t hurt me or my family or any other person I’ve ever met when I was a kid. Maybe some of them are smart to get but certainly not all of them. I weigh the risks and many vaccines are not worth the risk of side effect after seeing a family members child go into shock with medical complications after getting booster shots(kid hasn’t been the same since(behavior wise). I won’t trust the CDC... a private company with patents on over 40% of these vaccines....

[–]Mechgun25 7 points8 points  (0 children)

funny how people will openly criticize the pharmaceutical industry for raising the price of AIDS meds and creating false scarcity, but they'll give those same people complete trust when it comes to chemicals injected in them as literal infants

[–]Afeazo 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I am not anti vax either, I have all my vaccines and my children will have all theirs.

But what always sets a red flag is how much of a push there is for everyone to get their vaccines. How Reddit circlejerks vaccines so hard. How if this comment was on any other subreddit, it would be downvoted to oblivion even though I stated I am not anti vax. Why such a push for vaccines? Why make it so we can’t even begin to question these vaccines? Go on any subreddit and simply ask what is inside this vaccines and you will get told to fuck off.

I never thought vaccines might have some risk to them until this sudden wave of propaganda hit us. Reddit doesn’t advocate this hard to push reducing obesity, smoking, doing hard drugs, or even simply just going for walks to improve your mental health. But vaccines are pushed harder than anything, similarly in the way that certain politicians on Reddit like Warren or Sanders are pushed.

Although I still trust vaccines, somethings going on. Next time I need a vaccine I’m going to research where it came from and how it affects the body, because you have to be blind to not think somethings up.

[–]chatt4ever 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You should research them now. I gave my daughter all of hers and she had reaction after reaction. Er visit due to a 106 fever, her stomach was rock hard and extremely bloated. She screamed the first two years of her life as if I’m horrible pain. She was sick with colds weekly, doctor visits every other week, with ear infections, has allergies, blood in her stools, excema and more. My son who is unvaccinated is far healthier. Only three or four colds. So much healthier and happier. I myself got an autoimmune disease at 14 from the hep b vaccine. My arm at the site of injection started deteriorating. I had a huge dent in my arm and I went to specialists for months until someone diagnosed the disease. And of course even though it is listed in several studies as a side effect and possible cause the doctors vehemently disagreed and refused to accept it. I still thought I needed to vaccinate my daughter. I feel awful for the harm I have caused her.

[–]LilBabyDriver 2 points3 points  (0 children)


I could not agree more with these sentiments. I've been using Reddit since 2011 or so, and back when I used to go on big front page subs like /r/askreddit, it always struck me as odd that vaccinations were one of Reddit's most popular topics of circlejerk.

You know how many variations of the same questions are asked over and over again on AskReddit, to the extent that you can often predict what some of the most upvoted responses will be? (Example: Reddit, what's an immediate deal breaker for you in a relationship?) Well, I noticed that pro-vaccination responses were frequently upvoted in /r/askreddit threads on a pretty wide variety of subjects. As a part of one of Reddit's largest demographics (twentysomething American male), I've always found it strange what a hard-on Reddit had for vaccines-- and also denigrating the so-called anti-vaxxers. Then, in the past few years, we've been inundated with news (propaganda) stories about all of the trouble that the vaccine non-believers are causing.

None of this feels remotely organic to me; in fact, it seems like this debate is being forced into the public consciousness. Like you, I also believe some vaccines are absolutely necessary, but the growing support that I see for mandatory vaccinations is extremely concerning to me... especially considering the Government and Big Pharma's clearly concerted efforts to minimize any potential risks that vaccines may have. That is actually the biggest reason I am against any mandatory vaccine programs -- even if we start by requiring only the three safest and best understood vaccines, then this immediately becomes an even larger financial opportunity for Big Pharma than it presently is. There will be a huge rush to create new vaccines, and a tidal wave of lobbyists hitting Washington to convin$e our esteemed and incorruptible politicians that every single one should be compulsory.

I understand that this might be classic "slippery slope" thinking, but I would love to see someone argue in good faith that this is not exactly what would happen.

[–]ZombiesAteK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If your kid is vaccined my kid doesn't have to be end of question. What's the point of everybody getting a shot if everybody is still suseptable to the virus vaccination makes zero sense. All cases of vaccine related illness were lower pre vax so whats the point!!!!!

[–]hussletrees 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The only thing wrong with this movie scenario is that once the 10 years passes and people realize they are all infertile, they don't just commit suicide, they use the rest of their lives to go headhunting for those responsible. So I don't think the elites would just inhabit the earth, they would have to fight against everyone who is now infertile, thus now you are back to elites just having to kill everyone anyways to inhabit the earth, and the whole infertility thing is irrelevant because you had to kill them the old fashioned way now that they are aware they are infertile because of them and very pissed off. I agree blind trust is never a good thing though, but this movie scenario is not logically sound


Yeah, but instead of an elite conspiracy being the reason for mass infertility, a more likely scenario would be faulty science and medical malpractice, cause like I said once people realize they are infertile they would come headhunting for those responsible so I don't think anyone would intentionally do that even as a conspiracy, cause those responsible would pay the biggest price: their current life, not just the life of their offspring

[–]Cryptic-Spanner[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, I agree with you, major logic fail there, but at the same time we could already be headhunting those truly responsible for the world's problems as is.

I guess perhaps it could work if the injection made people and their offspring susceptible to a superbug with 100% fatality rate, highly contagious, airborne and is harmless on it's own but when the shit hits the fan is sprayed in massive amounts over cities by drones and kills those previously injected or born of those injected within days. Kind of like a binary explosive. Okay now I feel like I'm giving them ideas, going to stop there.

I realise now that following this logic they could just make a virus and inject themselves with the antidote and distribute it, as is the traditional much easier to understand conspiracy theory.

[–]hussletrees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your last idea seems more realistic, but then it has nothing to do with vaccines besides the vaccine they give themselves to the virus lol

[–]Asleep_Custard 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Unless the vaccine also made them apathatic, lethargic, depressed, physically and mentally weak, combined with a defeatist mindset.

[–]BobLazarChangedMe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would have been perfectly fine accepting that the people saying vaccines were bad are kooks. It’s the insane reaction to them that made me suspicious.

Even OP had to write a disclaimer saying he isn’t anti-vaxx because that’s the equivalent to being a leper these days.

[–]spiralspox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think vaccines used to work. I am a boomer (oh, no) and in my life time things have changed dramatically. Babies are given 4 times the vaccines they were getting in the 60's and 70's. Vaccine injuries have skyrocketed. Big Pharma killed thousands of Americans with prescription opiates and they have no problem selling vaccines that make us sick or worse. More Americans died in the 2017-18 flu season than any year in the preceding four decades. What does that tell you? Something is very wrong here. I can feel it. We used to be able to pretty must trust the FDA, drug companies, and doctors to generally do that right thing for whatever reason. That is NOT the case now. Do as much research as you can and get as few vaccines as you can. None of them are good.

[–]Hwga_lurker_tw 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Marcel André Henri Félix Petiot 

[–]Hwga_lurker_tw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis

[–]Hwga_lurker_tw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"A White House official says the CIA will no longer use vaccine programs as cover for spy operations, answering health experts' complaints that it had hurt international efforts to fight disease." -NPR, May 2014

[–]svetlana369 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree..... with all this globalization even the food distributed this way proves to be lacking in quality, to be left overs from last year, kept in fridges of developed countries.....where profit dictates everything..... how can we trust that the vaccines are just vaccines, when the goveenments are imposing and insisting on a financial fine for not vaccinating one's child?

[–]theworldsaplayground 4 points5 points  (25 children)

My two children have their vaccinations tomorrow. It's the fist time (in 5 years) I have signed the papers to allow them to have it.

I actually don't want them to have them, they don't want to have them but I feel I am being peer pressured into accepting it.

[–]Michelleisaman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I got a booster shot when I was 14 in order to be able to play a sport in high school. The day after I got the shot, I had a terrible rash on the inside of my elbows, the inside of my knees, and the entire front of my neck. This rash didn't go away for NINE YEARS. It was severe eczema. There were times I would scratch my neck until it was bleeding. The skin on my neck would be so dry I could barely turn my head. Cold was the only thing that gave temporary relief, so I used to go outside at 2 or 3 in the morning in January and just go for a walk, and thank God that it was winter and for at least a few minutes, I can get relief from the itching. It was absolute hell. Nine years, and it started 24 hours after a vaccine.

Don't let low IQ, low information people guilt you into doing something that you know in your gut is wrong. Its not their kids and they can go fuck themselves

[–]Your_Cousin_Eddie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don’t do it! Go with your instinct. Vaccines hurt the immune system, any ‘Protection’ provided is temporary, herd immunity is a myth and not a justification to put your kids at risk...

Support their immune system with healthy food and vitamins. Do not destroy their microbiome and put them at risk by injecting neurotoxins.

Just the tip of the iceberg...

http://vaccinecommonsense.com/2016/04/03/doctors-telling-of-vaccine-dangers-videos-and-documentaries-a-compilation/ Doctors Telling of Vaccine Dangers. Videos and Documentaries – A Compilation

Overview of issues https://korenwellness.com/blog/never-vaccinate-child/

https://youtu.be/SHdzBnblack Short concise video

https://youtu.be/RJh3TiCFJH4 Presentation given to HHS

Slides from Seneff https://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/2018/Toronto_vaccines.pdf

Chapter from VACCINATION THE HIDDEN FACTS https://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm

Info on measles: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/airpvb/the_current_measles_mythology/

Info on polio: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/adqujg/polio_might_be_one_of_the_best_examples_of_the/

Compilation https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccinesCause/comments/agqxnv/comment/ee8e4ft

Maternal immune activation http://science.sciencemag.org/content/353/6301/772 & https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24011823/

50 safety studies https://vaccinesafetycommission.org/studies.html

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2017.00003/full Discussed here: http://galacticconnection.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-yale-university-study-shows-association-between-vaccines-and-brain-disorders/

[–]arpanetgurl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had reactive arthritis after getting Gardisil at 26. I was one of the first batches to get it and glad I didn't get sterilized like other women. I had such aches and pains and had no idea why. I studied up on vaccines recently. It's definitely way different than what I was when I was a kid. I have saved links to over 30 government studies where they talk about the possible neurological damages. PM me if you would like them. Also, Bill Gates gave a TED talk on population control and mentioned one way is vaccines. Worth a watch...https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vzFeiKH1jQ

[–]FamousTiger 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Here are some tips:-

  • Never vaccinate a child under the age of 2

  • Never allow more than one vaccine on a sitting

  • Never vaccinate a sick child

  • Do not vaccinate them if they're received antibiotics within the last two months.

  • Do not vaccinate them if they have Tylenol in their system or have regularly been given Tylenol.

  • Avoid DTP and equivalents, they make your kids more likely to die.

  • Hep B is also a particularly dangerous vaccine.

Of course, I would tell you not to vaccinate at all, I've been through the data, but if you are vaccinating then these are the rules you must stick to, it will drastically reduce the risk of vaccine damage.

[–]xNovaz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

  • Avoid injecting aluminum adjuvants

[–]FamousTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point!

[–]Your_Cousin_Eddie 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I would raise the minimum age to 3 due to the info provided by dr Paul Thomas and the important development of the body’s microbiome during these years. But the kidneys should be fully functioning at 2 which will help the body process some of the toxins.

But I agree, No vaccines are the best option.

[–]arpanetgurl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An interesting point was made. My grandparents generation (silent generation? I think) were the least vaccinated and lived the longest. 80-90s. They were also one exposed to measles, sometimes multiple times. Natural immunity is supposedly the best and getting these illnesses help with future "cancer prevention". It's a thought I never really took into consideration. My parents passed in their late 60s recently.

[–]Michelleisaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

isn't Hep B what they give to infants like 3 minutes after birth? Absolutely sick

[–]theworldsaplayground -1 points0 points  (1 child)

There is a lot of horrible infections going around school at the moment. Gastroenteritis etc. My youngest was off last week and this week my eldest is off with a different bug.

Probably be back tomorrow, just in time for the flu vaccine.

[–]FamousTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Catching bugs helps to boost the immune system, and if they are already going around the school, which will be 98% vaccinated, then the vaccines aren’t stopping them.

[–]FamousTiger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also, remember it is Big Pharma who have setup the peer pressure, manipulation and brainwashing, they spend more money on the science of making you comply than they do on vaccine safety. They profit from sick people, that's why they need access to your body, that is why independent researchers keep finding that random batches of vaccines are loaded with cancer-causing viruses.

[–]Evil_Patriarch 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Now imagine that the injections (marketed under the guise of eradicating a horrific disease) were in fact a vaccination for humans, that is, to wipe out as many humans and their offspring as possible to cleanse the earth/reduce population.

Here's what I don't get with this conspiracy. Pretend you're an evil elite who wants to wipe out some massive portion of the population. You also have the ability to do it with some insane bio-engineered disease that you can inject in the population and leave dormant for years. Sure, there are some people who refuse to take it, but you can get the majority injected.

The problem with this plan is all the people you just killed were the ones who were buying your propaganda and obeying your will, allowing themselves to be injected.

Better option, instead of injecting the disease into the sheep, you give them an actual vaccination for the crazy superbug you are going to release in a few years. Now the obedient sheep who already obey your propaganda get to survive and keep acting as your worker bees, while the free thinking population who refused your injects is wiped out. You still get your massive population reduction, but now you get to be rid of anyone who would oppose you, win/win.

[–]Cryptic-Spanner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, I recognise that it could go either way, depends on what suits them better, once technology and automation has removed the absolute need for an army of worker bees then they may decide that it's not worth the risk of a mutiny and choose to start over almost completely. The motive might not necessarily be having slaves but ensuring their bloodlines are some of the only to survive long term.

[–]chatt4ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting perspective... never thought of it this way

[–]ntschaef 1 point2 points  (13 children)

I'm going to be "that guy" and offer the decenting opinion.

Conspiracies usually fall apart because there are too many people involved. In order for your scenario to be pulled off, hundreds of thousands of people would not only need to be involved but would also have to be immoral enough to not leak any of the directions, the medical findings, the experimental testings... any hard evidence that it's bad.

I agree that the concern is trust in authorities, but we need to get our information from somewhere and (sorry not sorry) but internet posts are poor sources for scientific findings. We need to trust the people that have studied the information. Went to school for it. Researched it. We cannot trust authorities based only on their status... We need to trust the expert community based on their combined knowledge.

[–]kaylenbird 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That’s the thing though! People don’t learn what’s in vaccines or the vaccine injuries associated with them in med or nursing school. They learn the schedule and how to administer them. They get paid bonuses for keeping kids on the CDC’s schedule. Why would they question them?

[–]ntschaef -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's only true for some. It's like schooling:

There are teacher's that teach directly from the book and do what they are told, then there are those that will research their subject so they can answer questions, then there are the administrators that have to look into the curriculum and decide what to teach and what is best for the students (even if it is uncomfortable to teach them). Are the decisions wrong sometimes? Sure, but not because they are trying to make the kids dumb... it's because the research on how to best care for the students changes.

[–]Cryptic-Spanner[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I guess the problem I see is that once this global vaccination system has reached its peak they could start tainting the batches sent out to hospitals, doctors, everyone whose job it is to inject them, in the very same vials that have passed all medical testing, are 'generally regarded as safe' and don't need testing any further; sending untainted batches to any remaining research groups etc.

I assume the production of hundreds of millions of vials requires a lot of labour but the vast majority of it will be highly automated and these people working in the manufacturing plants will not be the same people testing the product for previously undiscovered adulterants.

[–]ntschaef 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If this was a private industry with no oversight I may agree, but the exact bureaucracy that everyone complains about is the exact reason this can't happen. The miles of red tape within the system make implementing changes like your suggestion near impossible.

That said, we are already so dependent on systems like this there is no need to fear another one. Look at the water system. It would be easy to use that if the government was so exploitable. There are TONS of movies alluding to this. Or alternatively the power grid. The government can literally shut down 12 stations and blame it on terrorism and the entire nation would be without power. No need for a slow burn it would be reduced population in a week.

In the end our "security" is literally a charade made to keep people from freaking out. The real security is that 99.9999% of the people are decent.

[–]FamousTiger 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The regulators have been captured by Big Pharma

[–]ntschaef 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that's why we need to get them out. Money in politics is a real issue that needs to be removed.

[–]FamousTiger 2 points3 points  (2 children)

An independent lab in Italy recently checked a random batch of MMRV vaccines, found they were loaded with cancer-causing viruses.

An independent lab in Kenya checked out the vaccines which Bill Gates had sent over, found they were laced with sterilizing hormones.

Decades ago, the head of vaccines at Merck decided to take a look inside the polio vaccines they were selling, turned out they had cancer-causing viruses in. Interestingly Jonas Salk was a hardcore depopulation guy, seemed to be all he cared about.

[–]Asleep_Custard 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Conspiracies usually fall apart because there are too many people involved

Why would you use such a poor argument? EVERY conspiracy in the history of the world used to be concealed - including ones with HUNDREDS of participants. NSA spying? Rings a bell? We can be glad we had ONE whistleblower out of hundreds of co-conspirators.

What you're essentially saying is: "Just because a conspiracy hasn't been discovered YET means there's no conspiracy. And now stop asking questions and trust the guys involved in the conspiracy"


Either immoral, indocrinated, indifferent or scared absolutely shitless (maybe of losing their job, their family, their life. Snowden had to flee to russia. Don't forget that).
Those are possible motivations for keeping quiet, along with vaccines being totally safe and thus not worthy of discussion. I'm not ruling out that vaccines are safe, but I'm not ruling out that they're dangerous either. It's ok to be skeptical and make informed decisions. Forced vaccinations take away that ability.

[–]ntschaef 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Indoctrinated is maybe your best argument. People that are part of surveylance mostly believe it is for the greater good or are convinced there is no maliace in what they are doing. Something designed to kill billions with no benefit is not so easy to convince people that they are right.

[–]Asleep_Custard 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To expand: The Milgram Experiment demonstrated that people can be manipulated into doing actual, immediate harm to another person. Not all participants went "all the way", but those who did, did so because they somehow managed to go against their own conscience. All it took was a set of small-but-escalating steps towards the desired outcome and an authority figure telling them to do it. With an occasional "It's ok. I will take responsibility. Go ahead and do it".

[–]ntschaef 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if you attempted to cover that up, how many would come forward after time to reflect and say "they made us kill people" or even more pessimistically "I've killed someone and I feel guilty, I need to turn myself in".

Even with the extremely tight and secure environment that Snowden was in, we still had a voiced raised. And it is still debated if he was right or wrong because of how measure "damage to the public". As I said, the harder it is for a person to justify they are still a good person heavily dictates if they will continue.

Personally I'd like to see how the Milgram Experiments would go with electricians (people who understand the risks practically - opposed to theoretically - of what they are doing).

[–]ak1998345 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ok that's a thought, but riddle me this, why is it that all me and women who serve in the armed services are required to be vaccinated with an influenza shot every year or sometimes more than that? The very people who are sworn to protect enemies foreign and domestic have to get shots so it wouldnt make sense why they would be slowly killing those who the governments spend so much to keep alive.

[–]Cryptic-Spanner[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't see them trying very hard to keep veterans alive in the USA, all I read is how they're basically left to die, treated as though they're a liability after coming back from a war zone, a threat to domestic civilians.

[–]LemonYellow77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does everything the government does "make sense?" No. It's all very stupid.

[–]Asleep_Custard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They'll get you either way. They either infect you with a specifically designed virus or they simply infect you via injection (forced exposure to a virus). The second option achieves their goal faster and with more reliability.

[–]arpanetgurl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it incredibly eerie that I know two people whose kids both have/had brain cancer. One, boy died of brain cancer when he was 4. Another, diagnosed with brain cancer last year when he was 8. Both were born around 2009. I met a nurse the other day whose granddaughter had a huge cancer tumor around her heart at the age of 7. She told me the children's hospital sees 2-5 cases a week. It really makes you wonder what is going on.

[–]Sponge56 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly those in control don’t have our best interests!

[–]GrayManTheory -1 points0 points  (0 children)



I'm generally pro-vaccine but why reactionary pro-vax dumb-as-shit Redditors blindly trust pharmaceutical companies to never cut corners and never put profit over safety and never hide any facts from the public is frankly astounding.

[–]HuiMoin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People would understand vaccines if they knew how the immune system works. It's many different cells and structures and how it reacts to vaccines. Better education about the immune system should be the goal, because making vaccines mandatory is only gonna make them look more untrustworthy. You should get immunised, but the fact that most people can't explain why it works should be very concerning.