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Part timer sharing TLR

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by chemgrad64, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. chemgrad64

    chemgrad64 New commenter

    Hi. I was 2 ic with a payment of £239 a month, and decided to go part time as from September. My hod asked me if i would be ok sharing the TLR, and as i was going to be on a 60% timetable, i assumed i would get 60% of the money, so didn't see a problem.
    The other 60% timetable teacher got the job, and i asked the head how the post/ pay would be apportioned, and he replied that it would be 50/50.
    I was paid my normal full time salary at the end of sep, and the money was clawed back at the end of oct. I then noticed that my TLR came up as £71.80. I queried it, and was told that it was correct- me and other were sharing the money 50/50, but because we were part time, we were only getting paid 60% of the 50%.
    I resigned from the TLR, as i was offended, but it looks as though i will have to work out notice on the post....seeing as they are not paying me fully, do you think i should have to?
    How much TLR do other 2ic science teachers get please, 11 members of dept.
  2. ThereAreBunniesInMyHead

    ThereAreBunniesInMyHead Occasional commenter

    This sounds like the sort of maths done by the Conservative government.... That definitely sounds dodgy to me. If you are sharing the job 60/40 that's how the TLR should be split, although I can see some argument if you are both doing a 60% timetable to splitting the TLR 50/50... But I have no idea why you would then be only getting 60% of 50%?! I would definitely ask them to explain their reasoning / working out of the TLR on paper and say you need it for your own accounts / paperwork etc. Then if it looks dodgy on paper, take it to your union.
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  3. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Sounds like you have been royally screwed on this. If I read you post correctly you get 60% of half of the TLR so 30%. The other person presumably gets 40% of their share so 20%. Thus the sachool has saved 50% of the TLR payment? Union, now!
  4. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    I don't see a problem here with the mathematical logic, though as they are only outlaying 60% of the cost of a full TLR I would be curious about who is going to do the 40% of work which is going unrewared ...

    So yes, you're being screwed.

    I would suggest a sensible conversation with leadership before union :rolleyes: Though having already thrown your toys out and resigned the post you've rather weakened your position.
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2017
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  5. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    I suspect it's a case of miscommunication or them not knowing how to set things up. I think the intention was that the full TLR was to be split between the two of you, but either this hasn't been communicated clearly enough to payroll, or they can't work out the logistics of how to make it happen. Usually what happens with part-time posts with TLRs is that the percentage is applied after adding the TLR, so there is no easy way to give you 60% of basic pay and 50% of the TLR. What they need to do is to set the TLR to be 5/6 of what it would be normally. Then you each get paid 60% of that, which will work out at 50% of the full TLR.
    If the head said you would have 50% of the TLR, I think you need to go back to him and say that's not how whoever deals with the payroll has implemented it.
  6. chemgrad64

    chemgrad64 New commenter

    Me "throwing my toys out" was due to a combination of things:
    Finding out that I could have kept the whole TLR
    Me and the other part timer being the only teachers in the school with 90% timetable
    Being expected to mentor a student teacher out of school hours
    Being observed with a problem group last lesson on a friday in a week with one free lesson
    Getting feedback for that lesson after school on the following Friday, despite replying that i would need to be out by 3.45. (Feedback didn't start til 3.30.
    It wasn't just the misrepresentation of the TLR payment and them mucking up my pay ( again!)
  7. chemgrad64

    chemgrad64 New commenter

    I queried with the bursar, and she was adamant that she had checked, and it was correct.
    We both get 60% of 50% of the whole TLR, so the school is saving money, but they are expecting us to do "most of the work in your own time" as we only get one extra ppa each for the post.
  8. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    I think we're all agreed that you're being screwed - the school wants 100% of the work for 60% of the outlay. You should each be getting 50% of the full value of the TLR as you're taking the full responsibility and workload that comes with the post.

    None-the-less, the toys and the pram are no longer co-located :)
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  9. banjouk

    banjouk Occasional commenter

    Are you still doing the role until January? If you are if anyone asks for anything connected to the role/TLR explain that it falls into the 40% of the role you don't get paid for hence you wont be able to provide it.
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  10. Tinycat1234

    Tinycat1234 Established commenter

    I think you need to raise it and either accept it on the conditions you want or just ask to sort down.
    You could make more money in 2 hours of tutoring a month if you needed the money or one set of exam making per year.
  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Has the head agreed to you "resigning" from just the TLR part of your job?

    When the school confirmed in writing that you would work part time from September did it say anything specific about the TLR pay/responsibility?
  12. chemgrad64

    chemgrad64 New commenter

    Nothing was said about the TLR. I didn't think i has anything in writing, but found the email stating that the post would be shared 50/50 today.
  13. scienceteachasghost

    scienceteachasghost Lead commenter

    It actually seems fair to me!
  14. Coolgiraffe

    Coolgiraffe Occasional commenter

    No that's rubbish! You should be getting 50% of the full time TLR as the full time TLR is what is in the schools staffing structure.

    Just be careful its not a problem with payroll as I once had a big problem with the councils payroll over something similar.

    I went from full time with a TLR to 0.8 with the full responsibilities of the same TLR so I argued that as I was going to be doing the same amount of work, and some of that is likely to be at home in the evenings anyway that I should be paid the full TLR. Eventually the school agreed but payroll couldn't do it on their system. Their system only allowed me to be paid the same as my teaching contract of 0.8. So they had to pay me a supplement which would take my pay up to the same amount as a full TLR.
  15. Jessaki

    Jessaki Occasional commenter

    This sounds harsh and like perhaps they are trying to save money. Getting 2 people doing the job, so it´s like they have one full timer, but only paying 60% of the bill. The reeks of a decision made by someone who works in school administration, with zero clue on how teaching roles actually work on a day to day basis.

    I would ask what is the expected hours of work for the role full time. Then tell them that you can only work 30% of those hours, because you are sharing the role with another part timer. I would also ask, who they expect will do the remaining 40% of the work that is not being completed by either of you.

    Good luck. I hope you get it sorted.

    Also, I thought that payroll were not allowed to just deduct over payments from your salary, but had to notify of this in advance and either state they would take it one go or offer to have it deducted over a period of time? I might be wrong, but it was their error, not yours and now you could be facing hardship as a result.
  16. chemgrad64

    chemgrad64 New commenter

    I was working along the lines that £71 per month equates to about 3/4 of an hour a week... not enough time to do much at all. I honestly don't think they can see why it is wrong!
    I was offered either all of the overpayment being deducted at the end of Oct, or half in october and the rest in nov. They only had two months notice of the change.....
    I also think they are trying to save money. A false economy seeing as the other tlr has no experience(and is off sick, probably until after xmas) and the hod is not a subject specialist.
  17. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    The fact that your personal timetable is 0.6 is irrelevant.

    The TLR is a job to be done and it commands a premium of £x.

    So you get £x/2.
  18. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    If you followed the same logic, two teachers sharing a full time job would each get a quarter of the annual salary. In your case, the entire job is being done between the two of you, so the school should be splitting the full TLR in the same way. It is obvious nonsense, and you need to get your union on the case.

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