Can You Prove God Exists – Can You Prove God Does Not Exist

I am having a debate right now about this with an atheist.  He assertion is God does not exist because it can’t be scientifically proven.  While he keeps trying to drag it to is evolution real, that is not he debate and I refuse to let it go there.  My assertion is only that the universe as we know it is so perfect that it is logical to infer that it was designed, and a design requires a designer.   His assertion is that since we make that claim the burden to prove it is our own.

My response is there are two claims being made by two sides here, both would be fairly judged if their claims were equally required to show a burden of poof.  And while it is true that we can’t “prove God exists” with science, it is also true that science can’t prove how the universe came to be, how life came to be, etc.  Their answer is always in the end, “it just came from nothing”.

These are both theories and I want to do a post on it but don’t have time this week.  But synchronicity seems to always be around.  As I was thinking of this, I found this video, it brings up some interesting questions.  I figured you guys might enjoy it.

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10 comments to Can You Prove God Exists – Can You Prove God Does Not Exist

  • Tom East

    Thank you for your efforts in this blog. I think there are very few true atheists among us. It is an indefensble position to take for reasosns you point out.There had, in my view, to have been a creative intellect to start this process from nothing even before time and space. If we call this vast intelligence God, then God is in all of us. God contains both good and evil too. So when a person shoots and kills small children and their teachers in Sandy Hook school in CT God was responsible too. Modern Functional MRIs seem to indicate that there is a split second of time between when the brain functions and an action takes place. If there is time for God’s will to occur then man’s freewill may be limited. Which is it God’s will or Man’s will that is responsible for the good and evil acts in the world as we know it or is it all an illusion?

    • Willem Overbeeke

      My take on this:
      You have been called to supply proof. Now that can either be a validated deductive construct or evidence beyond reasonable doubt (overwhelmingly corroborated induction). Should we (the deists) be successful in delivering the latter (which we can), then the atheist’s rebuttal could only be the former (which I don’t believe possible.

      Main points of the evidence beyond reasonable doubt:

      Each universe is bound by space and time (it has a finite beginning)
      Each universe, for its feasibility, requires well defined laws of nature and specific scalars, which have to exist independent of space and time
      Each universe therefore requires a creator of infinite intelligence, outside the universe’s own scope
      That fully tallies with what we call god.

      Now let the atheist come woith a rebuttal!

  • Tom East

    Why is there only one reply?

  • Tom East

    Ok, does anyone read your works? Can you track that fact?

    • ModernDeist

      This blog gets about 100 visits a day, nothing earth shattering but I am fine with that. This is just a hobby blog that I put out for those that want to learn more about Deism.

  • Dwayne Hopkins

    Part of his proof lies in fractal theory, which I do believe is the closest thing to a proof of intelligent design. It can be found in all sciences, living and “non-living” matter, micro and macro systems everywhere one looks. They are even in chaotic systems, which seems to be an oxymoron, order-in-chaos. Check out and read the “Educators Guide”, it does not matter if you fully understand it. It gives you a glimps into the macro and micro sides of the universe, and the forms of everything from bacteria to galaxies.

  • Willem Overbeeke

    Sorry to barge in on this topic. I have not even looked into its contents yet. I very much appreciate the idea behind the “Church of Modern Deism”, and would like to participate in the fora.

    Can any reader point me to how I can and if I need to “register” as a forum member (including profile, perhaps picture, etc.)?

  • God is the unconditioned existence. God is something made up only of itself which has no component parts. Molecules are made of atoms. Atoms are made of subatomic particles. Each of these is a component layer. Each layer is completely dependent on the layer beneath it. Thus, there cannot be an infinite series of component layers for the same reason that an infinite series of zeros does not add up to one. There must be an ultimate bottom to the component layers–something which is absolutely simple. This absolutely simple thing is God because it sustains the universe. It is immaterial because it has no component parts.

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