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  1. This is my first post, so please go easy on me as this is a bit of a disjointed theory. Speaking with a friend while reading through Oathbringer, we were talking about what might be the other 2 Bondsmith Spren. I think everyone assumes the Nighwatcher is the 2nd. The "one that slumbers", I don't think is a crazy stretch to assume is possibly a spren somewhat entangled with Uruthiru. If honor and cultivation are responsible for half of the surges on the Surgebinding chart, how is the 3rd Bondsmith spren connected to the magic system? My thought is that the 3rd spren, Uruthiru's spren, is connected to the ancient fabrials. In a similar way that Shardblades and Shardplate are bastardizations of what was originally wielded by Surgebinders, I believe modern fabrials apply a misunderstanding of the original fabrials. Where Shardblades are dead spren, the fabrials trap or enslave spren to perform a function. Bringing this all together, I believe Navani starts to make some discoveries when it comes to fabrials, and eventually bonds with the spren of Uruthiru. She will come to be horrified about how modern fabrials have enslaved spren. I'm not a big fan of the possibility of all the Kholins becoming surgebinders, but this just seems to straight forward.
  2. Hey! I'm a new to the forums, but a huge fan of the books. So I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about my theory. I haven't seen this on the forum, so sorry if this a repeat and try not to go to hard on me. A bit of background: The Honor Spren view themselves as honors order, and were created by honor himself. And the they also see themselves as superior to the other spren. I don't think that this is just them being dicks and/or having a superiority complex. So presumably he gave his own order the most powerful abilities. But so far all we've seen from Kaladin is the ability to fly and the ability for adhesion. As cool as the superglue ability is, it's noticeably less impressive than the Skybreakers abilities for gravitation and division ( or blowing stuff up), and a bit less useful. Especially since the Windrunners were used as scouts. So why then did Honor give his order a bad or less useful secondary ability to his own order? In Oathbringer we saw that Dalinar and the Stormfather can react with Radiants, leveraging the Stormfather and enhance the surges of other Radiants ( example: Shallan making the 3D map, and the Battle of Thaylen City ect...). Also notice that the Bondsmiths also have adhesion, but Bondsmiths have spiritual adhesion whereas the Windrunners have physical adhesion. I don't think that the Windrunners ( honors own order ) and Bondsmiths ( bonded to lesser gods ) sharing the same surge is a coincidence. Dalinar's Spiritual Adhesion / effect on other knights + Windrunner Physical Adhesion + Stormfather ( Spren of Oaths) = Access to bond more than one order of Spren. ( Either Temporary or Permanent ). We know that the spren have to have a physical presence( i.e bound physically ) and they have to be bound spiritually spiritually to the person, so mixing everything together it would seem to make sense. The Bondsmith's ability to enchance other surges would be a good gate to making sure that the Windrunners don't go crazy with bonding, and the Stormfather being a sort spren of oaths would make a lot more sense. This is also probably gated under the fourth or fifth oath. It would also clarify why the Windrunners have adhesion, not for the superglue (which is just a side benefit) but instead so when the Windrunner is ready they can continue progressing and becoming more honorable. It would seem like something that Honor would want to do. Edit: While looking through the coppermind I came by this quote by the Stormfather to Dalinar. This sounds like foreshadowing to me. It would make sense that Dalinar is the most capable, because he can let windrunners (maybe more) bond more spren and join other orders. And it also fits with the Stormfather because he looks over all the radiant bonding already. I would like to hear your opinions on my theory! Also obligatory Kaladin + Jasnah is totally gonna be a thing.
  3. Hi all, this is my first ever forum post, glad to meet you all! Intro As the title suggests I believe that Willshapers are the ones that create shardplate for the Radiants, or at least I believe my theory is pretty solid. I've been thinking alot about the Willshapers lately and Kalak and from the brief descriptions we have, they seem to appear as very finicky tinkerers. So I basically picture Kalak as the Iron Man of the Heralds who designed the shardplates(maybe some 'Honorplate'). There has also been alot of speculation that shardplate is comprised of subspren and comments from Brandon Sanderson's Q & As and subspren appearing around certain characters(Dalinar, Kaladin & Jasnah) point to this. I also believe that Bondsmiths might play a part in this process, I get more into that later on. How I think it works Since the subspren aren't able to make nahel bonds, therefore only able to manifest in the physical realm for a brief period of time. I think these spren are so drawn to the Radiants and their increasing connection to their sapient cousins, but can't bound because of the laws in place. So Kalak, being the inquisitive airhead decides that if they have shardweapons why not make shardarmor from other spren since Radiants can only have one bond per sapient spren. I imagine that in order to make this happen, the Willshaper will blend their surges together like how Dalinar blended Cohesion and Adhesion to repair the ruins in Thaylen City and somehow bring the spren from Shadesmar into the Physical Realm and use Cohesion to reshape them into shardplate(perhaps involving some sort of Godmetal, not too sure I'm not all that knowledgeable on that topic). Now where does the Bondsmith come in? Well that's simple, they use Spiritual Adhesion to identity key the Plate to the Radiant. I also think maybe another way to look at it is that perhaps a Bondmsith would open a perpendicularity that might affect the process in a way or something? Here is further evidence to back my theory(some speculation): Dalinar was capable of using 'Spiritual Adhesion' to communicate with others of different languages. It would lend credence to their Order's name, perhaps how they even got it like Windrunners and Skybreakers are best known for their flight abilities but can do so much more. The radiants takes the subspren(Will) and shape it into the best form for the knight(Shaper) There's been a convenient lack of information on the Order and their Herald and I'm sure we all know our favourite author has a penchant for leaving omitting delicious information for the sake of storytelling. We know Venli is probably on her way to become one and how she interacts with Dalinar's Radiants could be a big thing in the fourth Stormlight book. In Taln's ramblings about the latest Desolation, he talks about training and leading armies, Jezrien teaching men leadership and Kalak teaching them to smith Bronze. Kalak was probably the Herald of Craftsmanship and this translated to his Order as well. Anyways let me know what you guys think, I'm not that knowledgeable on the magic system in Stormlight, so technical and complex but I still love it. Let me know what I got wrong, or missed out. Cheers!!!
  4. To persuade them to increase their number above three was seen as treasonous. So, they can, but they are not allowed to? How else can this be interpreted? The "3" is so important that even suggesting the impossible is treason? Or are there other spren that could potentially make a Bondsmith?
  5. Spoiler Warning: I use information from all three stormlight books along with a tiny bit from the mistborn series So, I put part of this theory on another thread, but since then I've thought more about it and refined it a bit. In short, Radiants form a "proto-plate" by a combination of their surgebinding and their secondary spren. Bondsmiths then take this and forge it into true Shardplate. So to get deeper into my theory, it was sparked by a quote from one of Dalinar's visons. Oathbringer page 352 "I think something might be wrong with my armor!" Dalinar shouted to him "I can't make my helm retract!" In response, the other Radiant made his vanish. Dalinar caught sight of a puff of Light or mist. Beneath the helm, the man had dark skin and curly black hair. His eyes glowed blue "Retract your helm?" he shouted "You haven't summoned your armor yet; you had to dismiss it so I could Lash you" Oh, Dalinar thought. "I mean earlier. It wouldn't vanish when I wanted it to" "Talk to Harkaylain then, or to your spren" The Windrunner frowned. "Will this be a problem for our mission?" Now the thing that is interesting about this quote is that Dalinar is referred to go to someone else for help with his plate. Many people suggest that plate is a bond with the lesser spren of a given order. For example, windspren for windrunners, gloryspren for Bondsmiths, etc. As interesting a theory as this is, and I don't think it's too far off the mark, it doesn't make sense given the above quote. If the bond a radiant had to their plate was just between them and the spren why would they need someone else's help to fix it? I believe that the man mentioned in the quote, Harkaylain, was a Bondsmith. To take a step back, I don't think Bondsmiths just magically whip plate out of the air. If they could do that, why not give regular people plate as well? I think that before a Radiant can get true Shardplate, they must make what I will dub "proto-plate." This proto-plate would be armor that was made out of a combination of that radiant's particular secondary spren and surges. We have seen something similar to this already on Shallan. Once a radiant had enough control over their proto-plate they could take it to a Bondsmith and create their full plate. So, here's where I think we start to see the literal result of the name Bondsmith. I think these Radiants had the ability to create bonds between people and spren. Now, we've seen Dalinar reach all the way between realms and bring them together, but we also know this is a new ability. I believe that the Bondsmiths of the past could do something similar, but on a much smaller scale. Bondsmiths could take the essence of the lesser spren, which exists mostly in the cognitive realm, and combine it with the Radiant's surges, which comes from their use of investiture, which is from the spiritual realm, and combines them and brings them into the physical realm to create plate. Now, a couple of other things that could help this theory make more sense. One of the major differences between modern plate and shards is the ability to dismiss them. Modern blades can be dismissed just like those the radiants had, but plate can't. I think this is because the plate is more tightly linked to their spiritual signature. As we know, shardblades are dead radiant spren. Now, while these spren have been bonded in the past, they are distinct beings, likely with their own spiritual signature. This means it's not that far off for them to be able to recreate a smaller version of that bond with people, even when their dead. If I'm correct the major difference with Radiant plate is that it contains some of the radiant's investiture. Now we have seen from feruchemy that when investiture comes from a certain person it is permanently linked to them and cannot be used by others. This could explain how no one has found a way to dismiss modern shardplate. They can use the physical item, much like you could wear a feruchemist's bracelet, but they can't actually utilize the underlying abilities. Another idea that I think makes this more likely is the fact that Modern shardplate is seen to be really similar across the board. We even see Dalinar use the gauntlet from Adolin's suit in TWoK. Now, if each order made their plate a different way, or just by their surges and lesser spren, it would seem plate should look very different depending on the order it came from. I propose that the reason they look the same is because they are made of the same material. When you really get down to it spren are just collections of Honor and Cultivations power given sapience. In this way all lesser spren are the same substance, just in different shapes. I would relate this to metal ingots used in forging. Each type of spren is a type of ingot. They are all made of the same material, say iron, but some are circular, others are squares etc. When the Bondsmith forges them together with the radiant's power the shape they were in before doesn't matter, only the material. Since all spren are effectively the same material, it makes sense that all plate would look extremely similar, regardless of the order it came from. I know this is a lot of theorizing, but given the lack of actual information we have on these topics i figured I'd at least give it a shot. I'll be the first to admit I'm no master realmatic scholar so if you have thoughts/ideas on why this would/wouldn't be correct or tweaks that need to be made let me know.
  6. From the album Radiants

  7. Hello, first post, be gentle with me We don't really know that the Nightwatcher is a Bondsmith spren. It's a good theory, seems widely accepted and quite probable. But so far as I know, no in-book quote or WoB confirms her as such. I think it's likely that she probably is one of the three Bondsmith spren, as a counterpart to the Stormfather. She already has a magic system (-ish?) associated with her, the Boon and Curse: granting a wish but with a curse attached alongside it. Couldn't someone also ask her for the boon of being granted Radiancy (is that the word?). Has anyone in Roshar's history? Could she grant other spren bonds, lower spren or spren of the other Orders? And assuming she is a Radiant spren, could someone ask to bond with her? Could it be how she herself is supposed to be bonded? Could the next Bondsmith have to trek to the Valley and ask for the boon of bonding her? What could be the Curse to accompany such a Boon? Would they need to speak the Ideals or would the Curse, sort of, supplant the words?
  8. If this has been posted before, forgive me, I didn't locate it elsewhere. Something occured to me and it seemed no one has brought it up. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A BONDSMITH BONDS THE NIGHTWATCHER? The reason I ask is because the NIGHTWATCHER has access to the old magic. Sure Dalinar bonded the Stormfather, but that's just boring Honor. Ho hum . Will the Nightwatcher's Wordsmith be able to manipulate the old magic as well? What say all you wise ardents?
  9. I have been thinking about Bondsmiths and the spren they bond with for a while now, specifically about the power these spren grant their bondmates. It takes no great leap in logic to wonder why. Look at how the Stormfather describes the power he grants to Dalinar: "Yours is the power Ishar once held. Before he was Herald of Luck, they called him Binder of Gods. He was the founder of the Oathpact. No Radiant is capable of more than you. Yours is the power of Connection, of joining men and worlds, minds and souls. Your Surges are the greatest of all, though they will be impotent if you seek to wield them for mere battle." Amazing right? But in this post I'd like to highlight a possible feature to the Bondsmiths and the power they wield that may be an added bonus, implied rather than explicit. Pure speculation, emphasis mine: “But as for the Bondsmiths, they had members only three, which number was not uncommon for them; nor did they seek to increase this by great bounds, for during the times of Madasa, only one of their order was in continual accompaniment of Urithiru and its thrones. Their spren was understood to be specific, and to persuade them to grow to the magnitude of the other orders was seen as seditious. ” I highlight this particular passage because the bondsmith spren defy classification. In every other order one can pinpoint a general shape of what the spren of that order will look like, including characteristics, tendencies, and abilities. Honorspren are blue, playful, and can hide their presence in the Physical Realm from all but a few people. Cryptics have the distinctive symbol heads, can change size and shape but not go invisible in the Physical Realm, and hum when they hear lies. Inkspren can hide in the Physical, but when showing cannot change form, only size, and they are ultimately logical. I could do this for almost every order, spit out facts that differentiate them from other spren, other orders, based on what we find in the text. The point is that there are commonalities among them. Those spren who grant Bondsmith powers are different in that they defy typical classification. The only commonalities they share are that they hold more Investiture than any being on the planet who isn't a Shard and they grant Bondsmith powers to those they bond. After that the similarities end abruptly. We have met 2 of the Bondsmith spren in the text, Stormfather and Nightwatcher, and they could not be more different, either in appearance, temperament, and what would likely attract them. We haven't met the Sibling yet but it seems like it has a different function than the others as well. Take a look at another quote, emphasis mine: "So Melishi retired to his tent, and resolved to destroy the Voidbringers upon the next day, but that night did present a different stratagem, related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths; and being hurried, he could make no specific account of his process; it was related to the very nature of the Heralds and their divine duties, an attribute the Bondsmiths alone could address." Unique Abilities. That may not be evidence, but it is a slight indication that Bondsmiths are a bit different. In my mind they cannot just be talking about their regular surges, Adhesion and Tension in that quote. Even the combination of the two amounts to what Stormfather once referred to as a 'party trick'. Well enough preamble, Maybe-Not-So-Crazy Theory time. I have come to believe that Bondsmiths get abilities outside the traditional powers of their order based on which Mega-Spren they bond. I do not know what these abilities are so the speculation must come from what the Spren can do. For the Stormfather he grants his Bondsmith the ability to far see, i.e. he can get a real time video feed of any region the Highstorm touches. For the Nightwatcher it's uncertain, but she has been delegated the task of granting the boons and curses of the Old Magic. Any special ability she would grant to her Bondsmith, I would imagine it would be related to that. We know that the Sibling powered Urithiru and that in the past a Bondsmith was in permanent residence there. Would it grant its Bondsmith the ability to monitor anything going on in that city? All of these abilities fall outside any conceivable application of Adhesion or Tension, even if we attempt to factor in Spiritual Realm shenanigans. It sounds far fetched but we've seen Dalinar display some unique abilities that fall outside what his surges could account for already. Now I'm sure that there are functions that both fall outside what a Bondsmith's surges account and are possible for any Bondsmith to perform. Super Charging spheres according to one WOB is one such ability that all bondsmiths have. For the Stormfather to call Bondsmiths the most capable of Radiants has to mean something, right? I'm just thinking that unique spren with unique functions should grant different abilities as well. Tell me what you guys think.
  10. Am I the only one who thinks that Adhesion is the dumbest of all the surges. Especially with Windrunners. We've only seen them stick people to things which they could could do already by just changing their gravity to the wall. It doesn't seem to be very effective or useful. With Bondsmiths we see Dalinar use Adhesion to spirtually connect to the Azish enough to speak their language but Windrunners are just stuck with a lame power that has been used in practicing with stormlight and never again. Any Ideas on what Adhesion might do additionally for specifically windrunners, if it does do anything more?
  11. I'm on my 4th trip through OB now and I'm trying to keep my eye out for odd stuff. A part of chapter 38 got my brain juices bubbling. It's the scene at the end where the Stormfather has finished explaining to Dalinar and Navani about the Heralds betrayal. A Shin soldier walks into the cave where the Heralds left their blades. "The man fell to his knees before the wonder of the abandoned Honor-blades. But a moment later, the man looked to Dalinar, and then spoke with the Almighty's voice. "Unite them". Could Tanavast have been telling Dalinar to literally unite the Honor-blades? By this I mean, use his Bondsmith weirdness to merge them into one blade that grants all of the Surges and all of the intersections that would result from having them.
  15. When the words "Unite Them" appear on the page, is that someone speaking to Dalinar? Is that him remembering Honor speaking to him in the vision, like an echo? Is that Dalinar reminding himself of his mantra or something? This really piqued my interest, because I'm rereading Words of Radiance. I've read WoK a bunch, and Oathbringer about three times. Only read WoR once, so I've been rereading it and searching for clues. The interlude chapter called Taravangian, where he sails into Vedenar to see the King die, he thinks about how Gavilar had the visions and explained it to him. Then the text, "Unite them" appears. Did he hear it too? Is he remembering Gavilar speak it? Is there a disembodied voice speaking to more than one person? What happened here? I really hope this isn't a Bondsmith thing, because I really don't want to see him become a Bondsmith as well, while actively trying to undermine Dalinar so much. Btw, that chapter is fantastic for theory crafting. They talk a lot about the diagram, his boon and curse, 2 Unmade, they talk about Dova and how she discovered their operation and even have a Deathrattle. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!? lol
  16. I have theory that I don't know if it has been brought up elsewhere. What if the sibling is the term for an unmade that has swapped sides as apart of the terms of the oathpact and is currently in a state of a coma as it's nature changes sides. Odium allows one of his minons to help humanity per each cycle and this rotates per each cycle. One of the unmade not active at present would be waiting for their new bondsmith to bond them as the "Sibling" currently sleeping has awoken as it's previous unmade self. This would account for there being 9 unmade while 10 is a specific number on roshar. It would also count for the unmade names to change as they have been confused as to which side they are and mistrust of the nightmother to be considered as one of the unmades.
  17. Dalinar is the only Bondsmith we know of to date int he story. He is bonded to the Stormfather who has never bonded to another since he has incorporated the Cognitive shadow of Honor. This has led to various uses of power that have never been done, according to the Stormafather. Dalinar has not begun using his second surge, which could also be boosted. Ishar/Ishi/ the Herald of Bondsmiths/ priests/ etc.was first in enforcing oaths on the Radiants, and claimed to have power to destroy them all. He is also mad, and without his Honorblade, but has a following believing he is a God (as he himself thinks) and still has a strong influence over Nale and his Radiants. The two are going to clash, and likely sooner rather than later. So the speculation starts with these: Does Dalinar clash with Ishi before Odium gets to him? -(I think yes) Who comes out as the top Bondsmith? - I must hope Dalinar does, since two other Heralds appear to be inclined to him at least). Does ishi try to destroy Radiant bonds? -Wow! what a twist that would be. Any guesses? Will Ishi join the coalition when he finds out of Honor/Stormfather's approval of Dalinar? - Naw, he is nuts.
  20. How do you think the Nahel Bond would be effected by a Knight Radiant traveling through space? I assume a spren like Syl would be more okay with traveling, and I feel it is implied that Willshapers and Lightspren potentially travel all over, but what if Dalinar had to board a spaceship and leave, would he still be connected enough to the Stormfather to benefit from the bond? Could the Stormfather travel? Does anyone have any thoughts on this? If the Stormfather were on a space station large enough to contain him, could they power it with stormlight and all Radiants always have plenty of power (while on the ship or whatever)? Any other thoughts about the Knight Radiant Orders in space??
  21. So we have no idea if all three Bondsmith will ever bond the mega spren: who would you most like to see rise up as the next two Bondsmith : me personally I would like to see Navani and Rock . Navani because she is so into Fabrials . And Rock because he is non violent and this would be a good use of his abilities :
  22. I have seen many threads on this and I thought I should ad mine to theirs. However , my theory is indirect sources is really coming at it from. Different angle. Who is the 3rd Bondsmith spren? i have just finished words of radiance for the third time. As Brandon changed the ending I wanted to see if there were any other changes . So I either missed all this before, or it wasn’t there. Szeth says Aboshi is the name of the spren of the mountains. He calls Nale by this title as he sees the Herald is akin to a god. The three Mega spren were on Roshar before the shards came. The Stormfather, The nightwatcher , and the sibling. Most of my basis revolves around Szeth, with a few lines of shallan and one of Eshonai. Eshonai during her transformation. And said once you were a friend . This details the time before the shards cane Szeth has been Urithiru twice since being name truthless. He blatantly says the city of Urithiru is the only place where stone is not cursed . This is where I believe the Stone spren set aside an area for humans to walk on . But why would Szeth come to Urithiru? Simple he cane to see if he was really truthless. He wanted to see for hisself if the Knights Radiant had returned. After he fought with Kaladin the first time he went there again. Nope no Radiants Kaladin must be lying . When shallan activated the Oathgate. Szeth was fighting Kaladin . Szeth saw the beam of light and said i have seen this before! They went to city didn’t they! Where could Szeth have seen an Osthgate operate? The only blades that could open an Osthgate are the Radiant blades which no one had, and the honorblades. So someone in Shinovsr used an honorblade to go to Urithiru . My guess a stone shaman went there to converse with Aboshi only to find he is still slumbering . So what cause him ( the sibling ) to withdraw? Shallan says that shattered plains were not always shattered! This much damage to stone cause the Stone spren to slumber. So in my opinion the Stone Spren is the Spren of the planet of Roshar. All the stone of the planet is Holy to the Shin. They will not walk on it as they believe it is a god in the same manner as the Stormfather is a god to humans . As there are many mountains of stone . It is another explanation of why Stormfather said leave them alone, you have hurt them enough. Mining stone , building castles of stone, and shattering the shattered plains. In order to wake the sibling I think the shattered plains needs to be restored . Seems like an impossible job ? The Surges of Adhesion and Tension are made to heal stone . The Stormfather told Dalinar “ what u did in Thaylan is a pittance of what u can really do . No Radiants powers are greater than your own! We all looked for the 3rd Bondsmith spren . We assumed in error that it just hasn’t been introduced yet but that is not Sanderson Style. He foreshadow major plot lines all the time. Since the first chapter of WoK she has spoken about how holy stone was. None of us thought to ask how or why is stone holy. I don’t know who will bond Aboshi , but I really hope it’s Navani . With her the possibilities are endless . Thoughts?
  23. sibling

    So this is really bothering me . “There is … a third sibling. They are not with us. “In hiding?” No. Slumbering. “Tell me more.” No. “But—” No! Leave them alone. You hurt them enough.” Excerpt From Oathbringer Brandon Sanderson This material may be protected by copyright. When the Stormfather speaks of his 3rd sibling why does he use the Plural them ! I couldn’t come up with a explanation that made sense. Maybe the spren is similar to the Aimian type 2 that break apart into 1,000 cremlings . So then I consider this Cusicesh the Protector spren and I go with all these faces , he could be a them / perhaps I’ll go ask a sage : I get this #1 Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Does Cusicesh the Protector have anything to do with the third Sibling at Urithiru? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] See, you gave me too much wiggle room there. Because "anything" is a really broad term. So I could say yes, but not in the way you're thinking. Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Okay, hmm I have to rethink my theory then. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] I'll say probably not in the way you're thinking. Im totally lost again . This guy is perfect . So my question is does anybody have a theory as to who this 3rd Bondsmith spren is , and why did the Stormfather use “them” in reference ? Is there perhaps a type of spren that are rare and can join together to make a single entity . The final thing I have to offer is I think while the Nightwatcher is of Cultivation and the Stormfather is of Honor, I think this 3rd entity is part Cultivation part Honor. Any ideas? I’m on the verge of going Brandon Lied to us it Cusicesh , he just didn’t want us to figure it out!!!
  24. So do we have confirmation (via WoB) that Oathbringer was the Bondsmith book? Brandon has confirmed that just because a books flashback is about one character, doesn’t mean the Knights Radiant Order focused on in the book has to be theirs. My question stems from the fact that other than Dalinar’s whole Unity thing going on, which we don’t understand yet anyway, plus a little showcase of his Surges, how much info did we get about Bondsmiths in general. (As I write this I realize there were all the conversations about the Sibling, but still, not that much stuff) On the other hand, we learn ALOT about Nale and the Skybreakers, their training, their hierarchy, their mindset, their ideals. In fact, this is the only Order of Radiants that we’ve seen even hinting at the 5th ideal. I haven’t seen much about this but if I’m missing something, please fill me in