Parents Sue Kratom Company After Son Dies in Car Accident; Coroner Fought to Keep Autopsy Secret


Parents in Chester County, PA are suing kratom distributor SoCal Herbal Remedies. Their son, Caleb Sturgis, died in a car accident in 2018. He was 25. The Chester County Coroner ruled the cause of death “acute mitragynine intoxication”.

In the typical sensationalist reporting, stretching itself out of context, ignoring the blaring questions raised by this case, Mari A. Schaefer acts as Drug War stenographer in the Philadelphia Inquirer:

Sturgis was driving to work on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in Chester County when his car struck a curb and flipped over. The Chester County coroner ruled his death was from “acute mitragynine intoxication,” the active ingredient in kratom. No other drugs were found in his system, save for the amount of caffeine contained in a cup of coffee. Sturgis had been taking the supplement for an energy boost, his family said.

In the lawsuit, the Sturgis family contends that SoCal Herbal Remedies failed to provide information on the risks of using kratom and did not attempt to test the product to make sure it was safe for use

Well that opens a refrigerator full of cans of worms, doesn’t it? How did the accident actually occur? Was kratom really even a factor? Are deaths of drunk drivers from injuries sustained in car accidents ruled “acute alcohol intoxication”? Can I sue Budweiser if one of my family members is killed in a drunk driving accident? It seems to me that alcohol poisoning and a car accident caused by drunk driving are two different causes of death. Are we sure the caffeine found in Sturgis’s system didn’t play a role in the accident? None of these questions are answered.

Journalist Nick Wing, at the time working for the Huffington Post, requested autopsy and toxicology reports from the Chester County Coroner Christina VandePol. The coroner denied his request. Wing then filed an appeal with the Pennsylvania Office of Open Records. OOR granted the appeal, overruling the coroner’s decision. The coroner then filed to appeal OOR’s appeal, essentially forcing Wing to engage in a legal battle to access the toxicology report.

For some reason, VandePol doesn’t want the public to see the toxicology results. Here’s Nick Wing’s twitter thread about it:

I asked Wing if they went ahead with the lawsuit. He responded this morning:

Interestingly enough, Wing and the reporter who wrote the above Inquirer story got into a back and forth about the issue of the toxicology reports on Twitter back in November.

Schaefer did not respond to Wing’s last tweet. She clearly dodged the question about mitragynine levels because she, herself, did not have the results of the toxicology report, only the results of the manner and cause of death. Why this journalist is acting like the coroner’s press secretary is anybody’s guess.

The more that’s uncovered about this tragic case, the more it seems like a family being misled by those with a Drug War mentality. The Sturgis family certainly cannot be blamed given how new and unknown kratom is to the general public, the weirdness of the coroner’s statements, and the way the press — other than Nick Wing — are lazily glossing over important questions.

I’m not sure the grieving family even has a case here. The attorney representing the family, Robert Mongeluzzi, said at a press conference that SoCal Herbal Remedies “provided none of the information consumers need to make safe choices”. Making medical claims on kratom packages is illegal according to the FDA, so I don’t see how a company could be held liable for an adult man’s individual choice to consume kratom and drive. I’m not sure why an experienced Philadelphia civil attorney doesn’t understand this.

Video of the press conference where Mongeluzzi made this statement shows the attorney holding a bag of “White Vietnam” purchased by Sturgis. This is a white vein leaf powder strain, not even an extract. So until we can see the coroner’s report it’s unclear how much mitragynine was in Sturgis’s system.

What makes this case even weaker, from a different angle, is social media posts exist where Caleb Sturgis talked about taking so much kava that he couldn’t stand, and also abusing the antidepressant tianeptine.

Unfortunately for the family’s case, this seems to show that Sturgis knew exactly what “overboard” meant for him, and deliberately went there with multiple substances in the past. Whether the car accident has to do with any substance at all is impossible to determine without a toxicology report and analysis of how the accident occurred. People have deadly car accidents all the time that don’t involve substance use.

One positive result of the case is the trial hopefully will force VandePol to release the autopsy and toxicology reports to the public, as Nick Wing pointed out recently.

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  1. I was on pain management for 7 years. The last Dr. I went to, Dr Kroll, Woodstock Ga. I was taking 90 mg ocycodone, 30 mg methadone. I never took any thing other than my prescribed med., 7 years. They piss test you before being seen. In April I went in for my appt. Tested, no problem. One week later I get a call, said I tested pos for meth, impossible, but that was it, dumped. One of my Drs before told me I couldn’t just quit, at my age, 72 and health I would likely die from withdrawals. 3 days of withdrawals, one more day and I believe I would have died. A friend brought me Kratom, never heard of it, but it DID save my life. Two months later I get my Medicare report. In Feb and March I saw where Dr Kroll had raised the drug test from 148.00 to 700.00 . Medicare denied it. In April denied again, I got a call and dumped. They either just made up the story about testing pos or to cover their ass tainted my sample. They’re not drs, they’re drug dealers. A Dr wouldn’t put anyone in a situation that could cause their pts death. They take an oath. I intend to sue for malpractice. I’ve been taking Kratom for almost a year now. No high, no addiction, no O.D. just helps the chronic pain.

  2. It’s sad they lost there son, but it wasn’t due to kratom. Kratom has been used for centuries and now the the FDA is involved, supposedly there have been people die. If you research it they were taking other things as well. The FDA and big pharma doesn’t want people off of opioids. They would lose to much business.

  3. Inebriated death is the responsibility of the partaker under nearly all circumstances. He was the only stupid human responsible for putting him self in a state where he may not be able to drive safely. Any drug, pharmaceuticals and also most vitamins, can be OD’d on. Seldom deadly. Knowing how people use kratom at first, it’s safe to say that people all around would be dropping off the planet due to some oops. Question then is, who’s paying this coroner’s office? To suggest, in very clear terms, that he died while driving… then wrecked, is extremely negligent in an autopsy; and an almost impossible task to perform. He’d wreck long before cessation of oxygen to brain. Ten minutes after which, true death occurs. How many people need autopsies who were torn apart in a car wreck, not sure? The coroner simply needs to be asked which occured first, in court. Lose the case and the mil she must’ve been offered. I never try it myself, don’t want to become dependent. It may be that, as with lsd and speed pills it takes a while to catch up with something new in this puritanical and simultaneously militant nation. So don’t throw out your needles just yet. No compunction against harming strangers! Damn conservatives.

  4. I Had a stroke when I was 27 years old all dr wanted to push pills on me for my life long injury to deal with it better. I’m sorry to say I went on the pills. 5 years later wanting to get off them I couldn’t. I finally was able to stop the meds but it was very hard almost impossible. Where was the government at that point not helping me but making me a drug addict. I turned to Kratom not knowing if it was going to work. Started at a small dose, guess what I’m able to work again so many drs told me I wouldnt be not working ever. Iv been on kratom for 1 year now and I went days without it there is no craving or withdrawals not even close. When I was on the pills I couldn’t go even a hr without them. So for all you people hating kratom are not educated on kratom and you government agencies, what the government not making enough money through pharmaceutical . Kratom has changed my life I’m working and life is great again! I keep praying to God that this leaf called kratom sticks around! Its has changed people’s life around thanks kratom!!!!

  5. People are ignorant kratom is not addictive nor does it make you high.
    So it’s ok for people on medical MJ to drive but not on kratom a natural herb wtf…

  6. This was a well written story. I only wish that people weren’t so blind & see the disgusting lies behind this mess. That kratom is a blessing, a true wonder & why, why cover up a 25 year old kids death then lie like to his family what the truth is? No amount of $ could buy off my integrity like that.

  7. Kratom is a LIFE SAVER. The attack on Kratom is real. Blaming Kratom on a car crash is RIDICULOUS!!!

  8. I also buy from SoCal Herbal Remedies and have for several years now. I’ve never known ANY product they’ve sold, including extracts, to have so high of a mitragyne levels as to be dangerous, nevermind deadly, even at high dosage levels.
    Justin is a great vendor and I hope this lawsuit, a desperate attempt for a family to place the blame for their son’s death anywhere but on their son, doesn’t affect his business. He doesn’t deserve that. And if they’re able to sue him and win, well then, all of you with obese family members who have developed diabetes better get warmed up to sue whatever eatery your family member frequented the most, since by this logic, the eatery “caused” your family member’s obesity & disease.

  9. Agreed Gunner!
    People need to look at what will be gained by big pharma if kratom is demonized as unsafe.
    People will stay on pharmaceuticals that keep them dependent which will then lead to buying more and more to combat the side effects of the pharmaceuticals themselves.
    Methadone and suboxone are just another trap.
    They are both horrible for your body and the clock is always ticking down to the imnement paranoia of getting sick if you dont have more.
    Only in extreme chronic pain cases are these nessacary.
    So many people end up on many other never endimg cycles of pharmaceuticals like sleep aids, benzodiazepines, anti depressants and ECT just manage the opioid.
    Kratom help me find the strength to get off of herion amd oxycotin amd God took care of the rest 😀

  10. Ridiculous, I’ve used kratom over two years and just don’t understand how kratom caused his death, i know better, it’s been a total blessing to me,

  11. For some reason the reporter just happen to leave out that the young man had a heart attack while driving his vehicle, why would that be left out .? To me there is much more to this sad and unfortunate tragic than him cosuming kratom tea..If there gonna write an unfortunate tragic article and flat out blame kratom, tell all the facts and let’s be honest and truethful…you can’t ommitt what you want & cover up what you want to make it seem how your storie should go.Just Ridiculous and totally bullshit to put the blame when in reality it’s more the reporters brain and fingers that can’t seem to be honest and on the same page to tell the truth…

  12. Cause of death is kratom? No. Cause of death was a car crash.

  13. I was on heavy painkillers for a long time. I am now on methadone and have been for over 3 years. It has completed ruined my life. I am now considering turning to kratom for help after hearing some of the things people have went through especially with opiate dependence. I feel like this could possibly give me my last few back.

    1. I was on methadone for 15 years. I got hooked on Vicodin from my doctor. Once he realized I was hooked he cut me off. I have chronic pain from arthritis in my spine that began at 28 years old. I’m 46 now and detoxed from methadone in July of 2017, because I thought it was causing digestive issues. I believe it’s bad for you because it’s synthetic. Even though I detoxed I have chronic pain. Kratom has been a blessing for me! You can do it brother! Just lower your dose of methadone SLOWLY. I was on 115 mg and it took 1-1/2 years for me to get down to 2 mg. Which was nothing compared to 14 years. It ruined my life also being labeled a drug addict, but what’s important is that you take care of yourself. Screw what other people think.Good luck Brandon! You can do it!

    2. Hey I also was on methodone I completely agree with you I was on it for 4 years and I thought I was doing great with methodone until I decided to switch and get put in Suboxone. Just a friendly word of advice before u go to Kratom try Suboxone yes after methodone you will go into withdrawal switching to Suboxone but if you can handle it your body will feel so much better you don’t get the high or euphoria your seeking like you do on methodone Suboxone had really changed my life I never realized how bad I felt in methodone until I started Suboxone. I tried Kratom it didn’t work out for me but that’s just me. Look into Suboxone first and see if it’s the right option for you

      1. I’m with you on taking Suboxone. I was on Dilaudid on and off for 12 yrs then had a 4 yr period I took 4 2mg Dilaudid a day. That became not enough so I started buying extra meds off the street bc the pain was so unbearable and burned so bad I couldn’t eat, sleep, or even think. So I detoxed with Suboxone for a few days then left the place no longer with the burning agonizing pain. I’ll never need to increase the dosage and I don’t deal with any “funny feelings” like pain meds do to you and I rarely have pain now. Same for me with things like Kratom, they just simply don’t work for me. I have to high of a tolerance to herbal remedies and the sort. So for me, I’d have to take a lot and then be worried I’d get sick bc of needing a higher dose than most people.

    3. I read your post and wanted to give you a little advice. I was on methadone, and switched to suboxone for my opiate addiction. I know quite a few people who have been able to successfully stop using both of those substances by using kratom. I went on it to help with other health problems after I had already gone to rehab to get off the suboxone. I use it for my neuropathy pain, depression, anxiety, and migraines. This stuff has helped me get off many other medications that I needed to be on for all these other problems. It also helps with my energy and it also has helped me lose some weight too because it has a slight appetite supressing affect. Ive read into alot of the different affects that each strain has and I prefer the green vein over the others but everyone is different. The main advice I wanted to ahare though is that if you do choose to try the kratom to get off the methadone, try to get down to as low a dose of that as you can before trying the kratom. Most of the people I know, if they were at high doses of whatever drug they were on, when they would try the kratom, it doesnt work all that well to relieve the withdrawal symptoms as it would on lower doses. I actually was having withdrawals from gabapentin, and didnt even realize that I could have withdrawals from that. But I got some kratom, and took about 4grams of it and within an hour felt 100% better! All my withdrawal symptoms were gone! This stuff really has helped me out alot and has saved me tons of money that I would of had to spend on all the meds I would of been taking to help with all the issues that just this one herbal supplement helps me with!! I just wish I had known about it years ago! Hope this helps you with your decision to try this, and have a wonderful life! ☺

  14. Before trying any Herbal Remedies, please research & educate yourself. Talk with other Herbalist & Kratom user..For two years I have been fixed from Kratom..Not only to wean off Opioids without with drawls symptoms,but the ease the pain I suffer from. In my experience, if take too much, you WILL puke until it’s All out of your stomach..You could not Smoke enough (I’m not aware of anyone I know whom would attept this) Kratom ,if it would even burn, to cause any effect at all.The propaganda about people “shooting up” this powder is absolutely false. It is not water soluble. The herb is comparable to Cocoa in it’s texture. Where some may try extract,& this is stronger,the effects of which would still cause stomach upset & vomiting.. I can only speak from my personal experience & opinions on the matter. I have however done hundreds of hours researching the subject, reading any & all subject matter on this subject. Anyone looking to Get High” will be disappointed, as that is not the effect.. Like a Really Good cup of Joe one will be energized,focused & mood lifted from energy.. I find some relief of pain,but in way is it comparable to pain killers. An everygreen tree in the coffee family,the leaves have been used as in tea for thousands of years in Indonesia. Not one documented Death in Indonesia.Not one death documented in US with Kratom alone in System..As with anything,some people may over use or develop a mental depency on herb. From my experience,and I don’t use herb on daily basis,the withdrawal from cigarettes, caffeine & sugar are much Greater than from this herb.. I am not trying to convince,or encourage Kratom use to anyone. It is up to each Adult to do research & use caution as with any new substance or herb one might use..This is only from my personal experience & research.

  15. The FDA is to blam here for the vendors not adding warnings. If they would treat it like it should be a supplement the proper supplement labels would have been on it! If a supplement label is added you can’t sell and vendors run the risky of being shutdown, raided and go out of business! FDA wont approve as an NDI. ( new dietary ingredient) You won’t warnings on kratom then sue the FDA!

  16. Interesting, if you read the bs post by his sister ( redacted pastebin for posterity – this guy NEVER touched drugs or alcohol. In fact, it was a random event of the supernatural that somehow got him “addicted” (protip: you don’t get addicted by not taking things). But here, by his own words we find admission of overuse and probable abuse of other substances. I highly doubt kratom was at all relevant to him crashing. It takes an absurdly expensive amount (unless you bought bulk international) to get anywhere near a “high”, particularly one that would affect vision and responses. As in, well over $150-200. And, taking that much would likely trigger a regurgitation reflex because that’s a lot of plant matter and stomachs are not fond of it. For the same price he could have bough enough Coke to get high for the whole week (assuming intelligent dosing).

    I’m interested in the tox screen too, and why this reporter (who probably got told to do this and went on some drugs ‘r bad mmkay spree) is suddenly trying to fight transparency. THAT’S YOUR GODD*** JOB AS A REPORTER LADY.

  17. Kratom ? Coffee? Lack of sleep too tired? Bad driver ? $ ? Maby his boss made him work too much. What company did he work for . Who was to blame ? Who ever has the most $ So the lawyers get the biggest pay check .

  18. Yep a lot of opiates death but they don’t tell you that they are from 90% Fentanyl and not opiates like perco or norco that are safe and help thousands with acute pain.
    These people that are in REAL pain are attacked. Now I guess we kratom users know what those people went though. What goes around comes around. Not everyone can use kratom, thank God I can but people with heart problems AFib can’t. It wont surprise me if this soon gets yanked off the market. its Big pharma, BIG Money backing all that up.

  19. Kratom is an interesting plant. All I can say is when I stopped cold turkey I felt very bad.

  20. I have been using kratom for over five years and yes it works. Never had a problem with it. I’m in my mid 60s and with chronic pain day in day out it is nice to know I have something that works. Occasionally glass or two of wine no adverse effects what so ever. And NO there was more to the accident than kratom. Texting perhaps!

    1. So are you addicted to kratom? Five years is a long time. What happens if you dont use Kratom? Just wondering if you have ever been off all substances.


  22. I don’t believe that Kratom was the reason he crashed but I do think it might be a slight chance that it caused it. There has been times that I have accidentally ingested too much and felt dizzy. So maybe he used too much and was dizzy and shaky and crashed. But you would know if you are not able to drive.

  23. Is the coroner just a physician appointed to her position or is she a forensic specialist?

  24. That’s like saying he drank a fifth of bourbon and fell off a cliff…the fall didn’t kill him the landing did…none of the three events were necessarily accumulative…but one could have happened w/o either of the other two…dumb asses…the guy took kratom and died in a car wreck.. end of story…so many possibilities are probably imaginable that one can only surmise that the ad hodem response is more than biased. Just saying…

  25. This is nothing but large pharma fighting to force people onto Suboxone. All lies.

    1. Exactly. There are so many lies out there, spreading around the nation about kratom and kratom related deaths…that it’s almost funny how obvious it is.

  26. I use kratom everyday. I have chronic pain and it helps me lot. I have been on it 6 months now it helps with lot of things my anxiety and depression plus my chronic pain

    1. I also use Keaton every day, for almost 3yrs. Due to chronic pain & rheumatoid arthritis. It’s a lifesaver for me,
      You can’t overdose on Keaton, it’s not an upper respiratory depressant..

      1. I also use Kratom every day, for almost 3yrs. Due to chronic pain & rheumatoid arthritis. It’s a lifesaver for me,
        You can’t overdose on Kratom, it’s not an upper respiratory depressant..

  27. What if the kid was just a shitty driver? Thousands of deaths occur in car accidents every year because people are morons. Why might this be different?

    1. That’s what I was thinking .

  28. Maybe he was talking on his cell phone at the time he hit the curb.

  29. Thank you for this article first off. Everyone who knows about kratom and it’s benefits can see there is obviously some BS going on with this lawsuit and media coverage they give to kratom. With pharmaceutical companies losing more money each year this will be more common till they get it banned.

  30. Yeah the media is lying,I use to be addicted to pills and weed. Kratom changed all that I’ve been off pills weed and rarely drink alcohol for two yrs straight. Kratom only gets you nausea or vomiting if you take like 10grams at once. There is no way he crashed because of kratom,maybe he was tired and or something. All the drunk drivers need to sue the alcohol companies then if that’s the case. It’s there fault if they want too over do anything (stupid kid)

    1. I agree, finally something we discover that works for a lot of ailments and the government gets there dirty most on it. Fake News!!!😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠 KRATOM ADVOCATE!!!!!!

    2. Really weed? Lol

      1. Seriously. There is no actual addiction to marijuana. I have smoked for 15+ years and have stopped many times for many different reasons, most important time was when I was pregnant just like you don’t drink etc while pregnant to not harm your growing baby. There is ZERO withdrawal symptoms or anything at all you go through when you stop or don’t smoke anymore. It is the safest medication I’ve ever been on for severe 24/7 365 nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain I have due to a rough and voilent gastric disease, Gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). We all need to educate ourselves on anything before we can bear an opinion

        1. Just so you know “addiction” is not the same as “physical dependance. Addiction is the mental drive or craving while physical dependancy os when your body becomes unable to function properly without I.E. withdrawal

  31. So, I am awaiting my first shipment of Kratom to resale and have been working on a brand. I was told specifically, that we cannot list anything than an FDA warning on the package or website. And yet, suddenly, we’re supposed to list warnings because 1 kid who normally overdoses, has died while taking a stimulant version? B. S.

    1. There is specific information on this on the American kratom association website and the botanical education alliance website.
      Probably best to do your research before reselling a botanical.

  32. Kratom isn’t the cause of his death. I use it for chronic pain due to a bone disease. I stopped using opiates cause I didn’t like feeling hi. Which kratom doesn’t do. It gives a little boost of energy. Energy drinks are stronger. But pain relief is huge. I’ll keep taking my kratom. Let’s see the results of the toxicology report. Kratom isn’t at fault.

  33. I went back and forth with the author of that article as well, just this past week. If you would like to see those transcripts, I would be happy to share them with you. It was a LOT of dodging and conjecture about “trends” and her constantly trying to make it seem like the deaths attributed to kratom were this huge deal.

    I mean, we all know this, those of us who use kratom and have done our goddamned research, but if four people have died from kratom, even if that’s true (and I do not believe that it is), that is *nothing* statistically. If four people total have died from kratom in the last few years, please, tell me how this is a national emergency in comparison to the 180,000 that have died from taking Tylenol?

    1. Let alone the, what, million or so people who have died from opioids, which kratom, from all verifiable angles, saves people from using?

      If someone is prone to going overboard on any substance, they are likely to do that, with kratom and who knows what else. This should not be held against those of us who use it responsibly and have had our lives changed for the better by it.

      1. All great comments!
        I want to try Kratom for pain
        but I keep hearing terrible stuff like contaminated with salmonella etc. What is a good brand & best strain for pain?
        Thanks & Kind Regards,

        1. Maegna Da seems to work the best for my pain.

          1. And what would be the best dosification for that?

        2. Remarkable herbs always clean

        3. You need a vetted bender one who tests after getting and before shipping.join some groups they took my pains after 10yrs. And wanted to put me on suboxone. No way that’s worse that the pain meds. Read the kratom bible and do tor research find vetted vendor in the groups. Been on it 8 months and I have my life back!!!

    2. 180,000 people have not died from Tylenol in the past few years.

  34. This is due to the government losing money for policing people, because slowly, marijuana is becoming legal. They want to make a profit somewhere, why not Kratom. It doesnt matter to them how many people it helps. Never mind the fact that you will start vomiting before you overdose.

  35. Sounds to me like the grief is lashing out at any and all the can blame.

  36. Kratom did not cause this crash. Ignorant ass media.

  37. I used it and been disappointed by the lack of effect. Workef about thr same as Tylenol.

  38. Someone driving under the influence is no accident!!!I wish the stupid media would stop calling them accidents when the driver was clearly impaired!

    1. You are so right. But it was a choice they made. If he had lived here should have been prosecuted.

    2. How about learning something about the subject before making a comment. You know. To avoid embarrassing yourself.

  39. My dad took almost six ounces of kratom by mistaking it for one dose I’d left him. He vomited for the whole next 24 hours and aside from saying he’ll never touch it again, he’s no worse for the wear. He has a heart condition and is still alive today. He’s 63. He had only one experience with kratom before and knew he’d only take it when he was home with nowhere to go. Good thing he didn’t have to do anything the next day, either. Had he taken narcotics, it’s likely he’d be dead or a vegetable if he survived.

  40. In massive quantities, Kratom might be capable of causing some dizziness, but will usually cause nausea/vomiting first. Like any substance, if you are using vast quantities of it, there are some negative effects. That’s just common sense. I truly believe that if the full toxicology reports of ANY “Kratom-related death” were to become available, we would find that it was determined that the person had Kratom in their system, but was not, in fact, cause of death.

  41. The kratom bottles i use say, do not operste heavy machinery. Im a recovering heroin, vicodin and cocajbe addict.

  42. Ive used kratom for 3 years a gram in my coffee every morning. I have had no negative results.i dont use hard drugs or alcohol.the cases of people dying have abused it along with their other drugs of choice.fda and big pharmacy are losing money thats the true issue.i used to order with western union and they stopped that .go figure.they are liars looking at their money gain.enough story and im sticking to it.

  43. Mrs. Schaefer leaves much to be desired as a journalist. She is as you stated ” acting like the coroners press secretary”. I’ve dealt with her. She is unwilling to educate herself regarding kratom, and relies solely on government definitions of kratom use and exposure. She is merely a pawn and not to be taken with any merit.

  44. Stupid. Acute kratom high really ? Keep trying pharmaceutical companies. Kratom will never be made illegal. And if it is well just all smuggle it from Canada and grow it 🙂 F off

  45. Do we get to sue alcohol companies for D.U.I deaths too?? BULLSHIT

    1. Brewers and distillers warn of the effects, lawmen can easily spot a drunk. But people like this kid who purposely go overboard are making the rest of us look bad. And the parents see a grubbing op. Thats all it is.

  46. Ridiculous, I take kratom everyday for my chronic pain. It doesn’t do what you are saying it does, to me. What about all of the opiate deaths, alot more of them than from kratom.

  47. Thank you for this story. Those social media posts definitely suggest this man was abusing multiple substances, not just kratom. And if it was just kratom in his system at the time of the crash, why isn’t the coroner releasing that autopsy?? Seriously fishy…

    1. Thank you

  48. No way can kratom by itself cause death!

    1. Thank you

  49. Bullshit… Lies… Kratom does hardly anything…BOGUS…

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