 art & storyline are excellent.
Now, if that’s the case, believe me I know where you’re coming from. But if this old dog can learn the new mental trick of turning the “ick” in to a “meh”, then so can you young pups.
*Shrugs* Unless I’m involved, it’s all “meh” to me.
Okay It might be a little late but I’m going to weigh in here. I have no problem with gay males in a comic. For me it would add a little more realism as I have run into more than a few over the years. Kissing, groping, whatever Dave B. decides to put in. I do prefer Female nudity and sexy times being at least 95% hetero but I would support any character that acts according to their role. If say Hiro turned out to be gay he would (from what I’ve seen of his character) be mostly on the “down low”. In other words just a normal guy who happens to like guys. I would even be interested if Dave B. decided to do a back story on his coming out. For me the “STORY” is the important part. One of the books I read long ago was the “Marathon Man” and one of the surprises in it was that a certain character was a gay man. This was back in the 70s but it worked well in the book. I wouldn’t ask Dave. B. to add a gay man just to make it more “PC” EVER. But if he did it wouldn’t phase me in the least.
I probably should have split it into two separate replies, even though the questions were both in one post. You have gotten the wrong end of the stick.
1) I would not go out of my way to see two guys kissing. Nor would I ask someone to depict that for me.
2) But I would not object to them doing so. I do not find it ick.
2.1) However I respect that others might object.
But two girls kissing? HAWT!
I agree with CanuckAmuck. S/He gets a +1 from me.
Ok clearly you are having difficulty reading. Because I have re-read my post and cannot see that I say that I am opposed to gay kissing. It actually says the complete opposite!
Q. would you support man-kisses as well?
What I do like is that nobody in the community seems to be finding the proposition to be distasteful. So despite the misapprehension that you have, it sounds like there is no discord.
Oh no problems. I realise that it is down to my style. Because I refuse to pander to political correctness, I speak the truth. And don’t do the politicians thing of trying to phrase things in the way which most suits their professed views.
In my case I am very much in favour of LGBT rights, have had a few friends from the community and am very interested in discussing the issues, learning more and making more friends.
But to say I am comfortable with all the issues, first hand, would be both deceiving both myself and others. Some aspects I am very familiar with, and therefore a lot more happy with. Others I am sympathetic with, despite not being personally comfortable around.
Trouble is that I appreciate most folks do not usually also raise the harsh truths, that may seem to contradict their stated principles. I really should have worked harder to separate the two issues there.
Yeah, some people have a hard time changing their basic response to certain things. For me it only took realizing a few basic facts to put things into perspective. They are as follows.
2. Although I don’t find two guys kissing to be very attractive (just not my cup of tea) they are voluntarily eliminating themselves from the ranks of my co-competitors for eligible heterosexual females.Which is something I can totally get behind...
Hmmm that may not have been the right way to phrase that, oh well.
But it did earn a LOL.
I do feel sorry that it seems I sparked some controversy here...
I will say that I also understand that this is Dave B’s show, so of course it is up to him. I forgot that Peggy’s bi (or I missed it. I…um…forgot this was a M-Th strip and may have missed one going back).
He he. That is so sweet. It is not controversy, it is stimulating debate. As for Peggy, she discussed her preferences in Fusion, the restaurant.
We have since seen her admiring guys, but being more jealous of being on the A team, when in the girls showers.
I don’t know if we have enough to go on to tell if currently she is “beggin’ for a preggin'”, as although Sydney was clearly lusting, Peggy was more restrained. Likewise in the showers I don’t know if she did not fancy any of them or if she was simply being discreet.
 So clearly discretion is very advisable, in such circumstances.
But do girls tend to be as sensitive about such issues? Or is it more like where they go to the restroom in flocks, to talk about boobs and … Star Trek?
I know…not much of what the media makes one expect, huh?
So so disappointing.
Just don’t mess with Santa ok?
Even “Reality TV” is usually either heavily edited, re-staged for better drama, or both.
I might be more modest than most, but I’d be uncomfortable changing in front of any but my very closest friends, regardless of sexuality. So there’s your answer on that part.
We DO tend to go to the restroom in flocks, but unless there’s something we wanted to discuss away from male ears (birthday party for someone’s husband, ‘was that guy checking you/me out’, etc), it’s generally a continuation of the same conversation we had before leaving if we talk at all.
As a sop to male fantasies, yes, we DO occasionally have boob conversations. They usually aren’t in the bathroom or in the way you might imagine them though. They generally occur when one of the group gets annoyed/frustrated with her own, turns into a group venting, followed by giving each other tips and tricks (This bra brand might not look as nice, but it’s so much more comfortable, you should get one) which often have as much to do with avoiding breast cancer as anything else. And I do mean occasionally; MAYBE once a year, and as a purely practical matter. One assumes guys have similar conversations about jock straps or whatever.
Sportsmen may, as a practical matter, but beyond that, nope, never. Guy etiquette is you boast about size or conquests, but don’t broach the subject otherwise. Given that I have no particular interest in the dimensions of another guy’s dick, I usually just put an end to that, by telling them that I have to tuck mine into my boot, to avoid treading on it.
And, rather like I disapprove of Harem breaching Sydney’s confidence, I steer conversations away from any conquest boasting. I don’t expect others to keep to the same kind of code I do, so don’t make a thing about it. Especially as it can be endemic in some circles. But it is easy enough to do subtly.
Although once in a while someone gets into their usual self-affirming rut. Usually only if they have mates in earshot, who they need to keep up appearances around. So I have a few comic put downs, that get folks laughing so much that they snap out of it. It usually involves sheep, but it is fun to improvise, based around the conversation.
I have to say this is the most civilized “controversy” I’ve ever seen in a web comic forum! And I say this as a major kudo to everyone involved! I usually avoid forums and comment sections because I REALLY don’t like how disrespectful things can devolve to so quickly. This place is the exception in my experience in that I enjoy how people here approach potentially confrontational subjects with respect, intelligence, and compassion. Thank you!
You must not have been hanging around the right webcomics.
To be fair most of our “Trollers” would be the height of civilized debate in some sites I’ve been to.
I found a very similar mix of folks in City of Heroes.
I can remember one time there was a girl, who was leaking all sorts of personal information in her chat. She came across as under-age, and had been through some rough times. Plus was alternating acting flirty with being depressed and even, periodically, expressing suicidal thoughts. So I kept a close eye on her and kept her under my wing when I could.
Going on to discreetly discuss her with friends, asking that they look out for her too. But the sweetest thing? It turns out that three of them were already doing just that! None of us were quite concerned yet to feel that the authorities needed to be contacted. We agreed that she was more ‘angsty teen’ than ‘potential suicide victim’.
And City of Heroes was her escape from real life. It is where she could come to let her hair down. The last thing we would want to do is ‘turn her in’, if she was not actively at risk. So we just coordinated watching over her, until she settled down and showed that she had gotten through the phase.
So yea, I love communities like this!
Frankly, as a lesbian I want to see