 this temp in whatever you are going to regulate the temp inside of. Make sure to spread the jars top to bottom of your fridge or whatever you use because the top is always hotter.
" company sets me on the jittery side. "
Ack!!!! Figure of speech, nothing intended!!!
Thanks for answering my questions. Very excited about trying the invitro method.
Had read up on it of course, a bit. But always thought that invitro is the way to go for people to hide thier stuff. You know, kids at home, live with the family... Your post definitely shed some new light on the process.
" Fact #5: Will I marry into your family? Any good cooks in the fam? "
Oh yes.... Girlfriend and I cook out of a HUGE cookbook collection about three times a week. And you are in luck! My Hunchback pigeon toed sister with permanent jaundice is in the market, i'll be sure to put you two in touch, as it looks like we may have a match made in heaven Though she does have a drooling problem, and a pretty bad sexual disease picked up from a public toilet... Some people are just unlucky I guess Can't wait for the wedding!!!!
you should put " Something " under the jars, but never pvc risers specifically. Great idea.
half pints to knit. and then birthing in the quart jar. Not sure about dunking grains. To be honest never heard about that. BUt I am sure that the godfather of your tek is standing by watching this thread as it unfolds... I am sure he will have helpful info in this area. I know all about long days at this hobby. Reading your thread was almost a godsend. My buddy is SOOOO tired of all the work of tending his cakes and casings. Possibly more trouble than it is worth. So I stumbled across your thread which is surely a step in the right direction for my buddy. Reading the above again. I really think that you would be in great shape using seed/grains.. They are easily formed into cakes...
Good deal, will keep that in mind.
" Didn�t know anyone would be interested in my setup."
Don't know about anyone else, but I am fascinated with your setup. The mind whirls in so many directions when I think of all the different directions that can be taken from your ( er, quotes ) base blueprints. And I still think that getting away from the small jars of brf is the way to go.
Not sure how to accomplish this. But sure it could be altered for grains....
Hey Chronic007, Thanks man.
THAT literally took my breath away. I love to see stuff like this, gives one such high hopes.
Love your pics and setup.
Ok, let me play the airhead, with this little tek here, do you still need humidity, or do the cakes in the quarts take care of themselves? Is temp the only concern here? If I got this, this is invitro, right? If so, I like that they dont get all smooshed next to the glass. They are very pretty.
hey, why don't you try 9er's tek of whole rice cakes in your set-up?
eliminating the verm. and grinding rice & mixing, etc.
just spoon whole cooked rice into jars, top off w/verm. barrier/filter disk/polyfil, and go.
Sounds like a good idea quote but I have one question for you. In the 9er's tek he makes multiple mentions of the pure rice cakes contaminating quicker than the pf cakes, does this apply to me too since I don't case my cakes at all or have them in super humid terreriums?
and see no reason to think the 9er cakes would contam more than normal.
my only concern might be that uncased cakes with no verm. would tend to run out of water quickly.
but dunking should help fix that.
I have had nothing but success with the 9er tek. And by the way where did the name "9er/9er's tek" come from. Thought maybe some football fans got bored at halftime.??????
Quote said...."Vermiculite works just as well with Cubensis as 50/50 or any of the other casings". He is right, I included a pic of some Sp.Wrks.Hawaiian. I shot the pint jars with spores and cased with vermiculite straight out of the bag. Misted until pinning and a 1/4" open on top after to keep humidity around 85%. I've found humidity guages are no more useful than watching the inside of the glass for condensation.
About contamination....while shooting I use an alcohol flame and breath control and have had two greenies and those were probably from not enough verm. on top and sniffing through the hole for the "apple smell". I have had my share of bacterial contamination(the apple smell)with pints of BR. I have solved that by PC'ing longer(1 hour) at a full 15lbs and PC'ing while the rice is still warm.
Haven't really experimented enough with it yet, but dunking with lime water seems to help with contam prevention, as does initially cooking whole grain in water with a dash or two of lime. It seems to help somewhat with contams, but I'm not sure it doesn't fuck with good growth too- like I say, my efforst are not near enough to tell yet with all other factors stabilized, but you might try it- jars using the lime water for rice cooking, whole grain, took a long time to contam. weeks. They weren't knocked up, just wanted to see how long they could stay clean without being colonized. These are whole grain jars.
My end goal is to make pots of rice like you would for eating, in lime water, then just fluff it up, and lighty load jars or bulk cakes with it.
I'm damn sure gonna try this quart jar technique of yours...
having said that, I don my patented puppy eyes, slide next to chronic, and out with the 'I love you man'.....
Quote: Ya, I couldn't really figure out why in the 9er tek it kept mentioning higher contams on the pure BR cake as apposed to Pf Cake.....I've noticed that once the cakes are fully colonized it's much more difficult for invaders to get a foothold. I've been doing alot of reading since your suggestion of the 9er tek and it's sounding better and better. Now I'm down to one question. Do you think it would be feasable to use the 9'er tek in autoclave bags instead of quart or half gallon jars to sterilize the rice after cooking and then inoculate through the bag as in your bulk tek. (eliminate verm. and 1/2 pint jars) Then as you said the faulty oven bags would no longer be a factor....and I'm sure I could take care of regulating the moisture. Or do you think that much cooked rice may get to clumpy/bottom wet in an autoclave bag. Last question and I can start posting my progress. Thanks quo.
Nuecrew: Those look great man. There is seriously nothing better looking than a mushroom forest. Glad to here from someone that has enjoyed success with the 9'er tek. Have you tried colonizing in any greater size than pint jars?
An Guy: Thanks for the suggestion but contams haven't really been a prob when I stay anal about sterilization; and I don't like the feeling of adding something to my babbies that I could avoid by just being safe. As for your other idea of cooking up the rice and making bulk cakes with it......go buddy! I feel you on that one! I know we can make it work. And I really do recommend the Quart jar mini terreriums as long as you can maintain 75-77 degrees 90% of the time.
Well looking forward to hearing from you all so I can get this started and really start contributing to this board. Thanks again guys. Now I'm off to keep up on Quo's Voodo tek post! Take care.
i suspect that clumping would become a problem in large batches of rice, but i haven't actually tried it, so you'll have to let me know.
it was written a couple years back by a person called 9er.
it still might be a good idea to apply a thin casing of verm. to the cakes before placing them in the quarts for fruiting.
seems to help promote pinning.
How 'bout a link to a good run-down on the 9er tek please Quo?
Allright then, sounds like the 9'er tek 1/2 pints and 9'er tek autoclave bag are my next missions. After some thought I was wondering quote, if there is no more risk of contam in a pure BR cake than there is in a PF cake, then why don't you use them quo? Seems that more food would mean more flushes for the mucks, especially if it comes with the bonus of less prep. Maybe I'm missing something? Just wondering what your opinion is between 9'er tek and Pf tek. Always good to hear and understand the big guns' opinion on things. Anyways take care guys, good luck, and be safe!
P.S. keep the post alive; still looking for someone who is excited about a bulk substrate tek that work consistantly well for them and could be morphed to accept my setup.
when i said i hadn't tried