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big 5 personality traits and other topics : Schizotypal Personality Disorder
i just wanted to put my own take on this, this thread was supposed to encompass all personality disorders or other mental health conditions and how they may relate to the big 5 personality traits, although i did create it mainly for schizotypal PD first and the PDs, but it will talk about other things.
i remember looking at the big 5 for schizotypal PD in one study, i believe it’s on youtube, i can maybe relocate later. what it mentioned was high on openness to experience, low agreeableness, high neuroticism, low extroversion, and high on conscientiousness.
personally, my take on this is not the same, if anything, schizotypal PD would lean towards low openness to experience, but unfortunately, clinicians, researchers, and the typical lay population misunderstand what openness to experience, however, this is why i made this thread to see what other people’s experience is on what “openness to experience” means, because certainly for me, i’ve taken the big 5 and scored literally 0 for openness to experience, literally 0, yet i’ve been seeing most of the people here and stereotypical sources as i mentioned leaning the opposite. also it says they are low on agreeableness or “warmness”, yet in another source, they are shunned as being warm and friendly, contradicting what really is going on.
now i would consider myself as being reasonable as a way of interacting with people, whether i like them or not, which is why it’s such a double edged sword because people on the outside think im being agreeable or w.e, when really it’s just putting up with others by being “reasonable” in the encounter, when i really envy, despise them, don’t agree with them and don’t give two shits about them, but it’s difficult to let this known without being irrational or assaulting which has happened anyways with me, with cops showing up one time in particular.
i’ve looked at jordan peterson’s videos and talks on the big 5 and things like conscientiousness, which he said typically, people who are more conscientiousness tend to be LESS neurotic than those that are low on conscientiousness, of course he did mention in his other talks the “problem” with conscientiousness, showing a lot of contradictions which i already understood on my own from before
, another point he mentioned that those with higher conscientiousness may not be really more “stable” or in a better state than those with lower, but they do so because of some necessity, uncertainty, fear, being deprived, etc,
not surprisingly, i’ve made these same arguments to many of my mental health professionals i’ve seen, the most they can do is nod their head here and there, but usually never actually telling me that you know, you’re actually right!
neuroticism is by definition negative emotion, and i have that to the extreme. one thing i noticed is that i became more conscientious when my mental health problems arose and became more seriously affecting me, but none of this helped me, helps me, etc, it’s a coping mechanism to survive in life, this is the same argument i told my therapist recently.
look at all those people low on conscientiousness who function well, conscientiousness doesn’t do anything in particular because EVERYONE uses it sparingly, which is why, it’s not a positive trait if you prefer it per say, if anything, the more you need to rely on it, the more harder and lower your quality of life is.
also, this brings up education and personality relation research. if you look at the majority of students in university, most of them are “N” types in the MBTI. someone would say, well, that’s because that’s where the majority of “N” types are in, which doesn’t give any explanation and if anything is rather ignorant in explanation.
if logic, iq, and all these abilities wouldn’t be related to personality, then why still all these people are able to be as successful as they are, considering the fact that sensing types are so common, you’d think there would be more balance in disbursement of these people in universities, yet it’s not, and this is no opinion, it’s research based, right there in your face, no self administration of any kind.
unlike that stupid university of Colorado study that tried linking schizotypal PD with the INTP mbti, which i laughed at, because they thought that using university students who are already filled with so many INTP types who shared “schizotypal like traits” was the same as having the disorder, which clearly it isn’t.
in fact, i haven’t met one person in person with schizotypal PD from when i DID attend mental health groups for years several times a week from different places, and then someone else from another thread here doesn’t actually read all the details i gave and then just gives a generalized response that, well, how do you know they didn’t actually have a PD, maybe they could have one without specifically saying, and this amount of stupidity just made me have to rethink whether or not i even have schizotypal PD, because if this is how people with schizotypal PD really are, then clearly i’ve been misdiagnosed, and if anything, they are more nuerotypical in nature and shouldn’t even be in the PD cluster if their response like this idiot that gave to me are just like the other idiots i’ve seen in all those mental health groups who are were diagnosed with mostly bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder.
most of them were a lot older than me, yet their response and maturity level was pretty low
, o and 99 percent of these people were taking medication, so
., i wonder what they’d be like without medication, not that it would matter, they’d still be stupid disrespectful scumbags
the closest big 5 trait i resembled was that of one person’s video talking about “covert narcissists”, however because covert narcissism isn’t an actual diagnosis and just a researched pathology, it means almost nothing in terms of helping me, it’s just telling me, you don’t relate to people, people piss you off, and there is no help for you because fundamentally you are different, function different, and everything else which you already know isn’t gonna do you better because you already have being more or less what your capacity is and what is relevant to you and your life circumstances, environment, etc.
i personally like to look at the big 5 in a more “covert” way, although this is somewhat factored in already, as it does look at a process as a whole to a certain extent, but still, like the whole agreeableness trait, i wouldn’t consider myself as agreeable, because that’s one big reason why i developed depression is letting other people take advantage of me my whole life and not realizing that they were doing this, all of this affects me ( HPA axis ) and thus causes depression, doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know this.
however, by being more “Resistant” and “cautious” and more stern, it causes a double edged sword because then people just guilt trip you and then your always in a situation where you can never be “yourself” without feeling like you did something wrong.
if we are looking at agreeableness on what is going on psychologically inside, then clearly, i would not be a agreeable person, and that makes logical sense, people are not gonna be agreeable just for the sake of being, obviously they have some level of trust, intimacy, connection or w.e ( normal typical people ) that makes them like this, otherwise it’s just a superficial thing.
so if im in disagreement with people, what they say, how they view things, what their opinions are, clearly that would not make me an agreeable person, but that’s not the same as reasonableness. i try to be reasonable, however, what happens is i often have to dumb myself down ( unintentionally ) in order to “Get” other people’s stupidity or lack of clear communication or understanding of something, and sometimes i might look like the dumb or confused one when really it’s other people who do this whole “normal person” thing, something to do with boundaries or manipulation of things, concepts, or stuff, and for me, it’s the worse thing someone can do but i deal with it a lot.
my therapist said it has to do with some ego related function, i guess with me, since i have low ego strength, that probably explains why im the opposite of all these people i encounter which i never understood, 90 percent of people are like this and are unhealthy and / or their personalities are different, who knows
sam vaknin’s source mentioned covert narcissists are actually naive or gullible, yet everyone else in other sources contradicts this, who’s right? well sam vaknin’s source makes more sense because all of those other covert sources of narcissism area really just telling the same problem found in grandiose narcissists, nothing pathologically different. the covert narcissist in actuality is completely different than the “overt narcissist”, yet again, 90 percent of the sources of covert narcissism are just illustrating the same problem in grandiose narcissism, it’s sort of the same way all these stupid people with adhd confuse (ADD) as being another name