 concurrent rise in occurances of autism is similarly a result of vaccinations or whether there are other matters involved and its just a correlation.
So as scar said, its a personal choice that each has to make and I dont think anyone can be criticised for choosing either way seeing as the evidence is confusing and the proponants of either side are not necessarily deserving of trust.
Having a vaccination doesn't mean you won't get the illness and pass it on anyway!!! so whether you are vaccinated or not, the illness can still be around...but if we all had life time immunity from contracting the illness as children.... I believe that on the whole the illnesses would have practically if not died out naturally by now!! There are arguments to say that vaccinations have kept those illnesses going!!
I want to say some things specifically about TB and the TB vaccination (BCG). TB is not dying out, and if anything, it's probably on the increase. But the group of people who catch TB are mostly the people who weren't vaccinated, plus a few very unlucky souls who did have the vaccination but didn't devlop immunity. It seems to be more common in some populations - ethnic minorities, the homeless and prison populations being the most often identified.
TB is getting harder to treat too. It's partly because it is still fairly rare, so doctors aren't as used to seeing it as they once were, so they don't always recognise it when someone comes to them with it. By the time it is identified, the illness is often so advanced, it's really hard to treat - and the sufferer is really ill. Another reason is that it is becoming resistant to the drugs used to treat it - but that's to do with overprescription of antibiotics, and not the use of the vaccine.
Now the reason I know a bit about this - and I know I'm not an expert - is that a family member is getting over TB at the moment. He's one of the people who was given the vaccine, but for some reason he didn't develop the immunity.
So, I agree that it is true that some people don't get protected even though they're vaccinated, but that's very rare. I think I'm right in saying that some people have a natural immunity but not very many - I'm not sure how that happens, whether it's through exposure to the virus, or another means. I'm pretty certain that TB is one thing where once you're protected, you're protected for life - you don't loose your immunity.
Right, so imagine a population for a minute where absolutely everyone has had the vaccination against TB - that means that almost everyone is immune to it, and for those who are not immune, they are so few and far between they'd be fairly unlikely to come accross another person without immunity, and even more unlikely to come accross someone who is infected with TB. Basically they are protected by herd immunity.
Now imagine a population where no-one has been vaccinated. A few people have developped a natural immunity, but most people are at risk of catching TB if they come into contact with it. Once one person has TB, surely it will just spread and spread. Certainly it can be treated, and the spread can be limited by good levels of hygeine, but hygeine alone won't prevent it, IMO.
Now, the situation we have in this country is somewhere in between the two populations I've just described. The majority of people are vaccinated but not all.
Well, if you've read this far, well done! So as will probably be obvious from all that ^, it'll be obvious that I think vaccination against TB is a good thing. Yes, vaccination may be intrusive, and the BCG (TB vaccination) is one of the more unpleasant ones - it's the one that goes all pussy and leaves you with a small scar.
However, having seen my relative's treatment, I can tell you that the vaccination is far less intrusive and unpleasant than TB treatment - he has had a 12 month course of antibiotics, during which time he wasn't allowed to drink any alcohol, and, he said, gave him pee that looked like lucozade. They made him feel really ill at first too, although he did get used to them. On top of that he has had two lots of major surgery on his spine - needing general anasthetic each time, and for one of his opperations they needed to deflate his lung!  He's been left with huge scars on his back and chest (which he intends to use to impress the girlies!). Now he needs to put his weight back on, and build his muscles up again - a year of inactivity has left him very weedy.
Well, if anyone has managed to read all that, you deserve a drink - ask me to buy you one, if we ever meet!
A Stout goes down well, and well said lady, my rationale also.
I have thought about what I would do when it comes to the vaccination of my children when it comes to it.
I am actually pro vaccination. My reason is the risks that are imposed by not vaccinating compleatly outweigh the risks of vaccinating. I have a bit of an interest in diseases and the pathogens that cause them. Having read at what they can do. It is something I do not wish upon even my worst enemy.
What really pisses me off is the scare that was caused by some anectodal links with the MMR causing Autism. This ment that there were fewer parents giving their kids the MMR jab.  During my first year at uni a number of my hall mates went down with the mumps. This was repeated across the country by the way. The main reason it spread was because of toddlers who were not immunised coming into contact with students who also did not have immunisation as the MMR was not available when the students were toddlers themselves. Some of you may think mumps is not that serious. What gets me the most is the fact that parents choosing not to give their kids the MMR could potentially remove a young mans choice to have children of his own in the future.
Also I don't think we really appreciate the low infant mortality rate we have in this country thanks to the control of diseases. If these diseases were allowed to spread there would me more children dying as a result.
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Thanks to Facebook, I was reminded of the day I was “feeling excited”. It was March 6, 2020. I received confirmation that I had been selected to deliver an oral presentation at the 18th International Congress of Nutrition and Dietetics in Cape Town, South Africa to be held September 2020. With 200+ “likes” and 30+ comments on my Facebook post, I had my first international conference lined up as a PhD student. Shortly thereafter, the global pandemic reared its ugly head.
On September 1, 2021, a year after the original congress date, I had the opportunity to do a virtual presentation for this congress. The silver lining? I was able to present on even more analysis that I completed from 2020/21. The theme of the congress was: Improving nutrition; Unlocking potential; Accelerating change. My research directly addressed “unlocking” the leadership potential of emerging and practicing dietitians. Through my pre-recorded presentation and Q&A engagement in the conference portal, I was able to share my research insights with dietitians and other nutrition professionals in different countries.
Regardless of the change in format, the opportunity to participate in a professional research conference required me to thoughtfully organize my research findings and disseminate to a wider audience. @ClemoRj tweeted “Excellent day of learning at #ICD2021 My top 3 sessions of the day, ‘Leaders wanted’ @BillieJaneTweet… Already looking forward to tomorrow”. Despite missing the opportunity to explore the beauty Cape Town has to offer, the virtual conference provided an opportunity to listen to speakers from all around the world. I am grateful for the professional development and virtual networking opportunities that is much needed at this stage of my research career.
At times, the PhD journey can feel lonely and filled with self-doubt. Participating in an academic or a professional conference breaks the loneliness and provides some assurance that you are making a contribution. In addition, I am grateful to the Education Graduate Students’ Association for financially assisting me through their conference grant. I strongly recommend that all Faculty of Education students apply for this opportunity to help further their own learning and research goals.
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