 does for the casino owners – who don’t seem willing to share the loot with their brothers from another mother. But hey, we’ve got a planet to save, and culling the population will help, right? Begrudging food for the world’s poor is just part of the agenda. Can’t be helped. The world is way overpopulated anyway, right? Ethanol and the CO2 scare will help the Animal Farm honchos fix that. Sorry about the collateral damage; gotta be done. Eh, Josh?
Wil, this is a perfect example of why I ask people to quote my words. Let me demonstrate why.
Wil says:
August 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Well, lets see. I was talking about Early Asian Immigrants in the US. You’re in Canada. Check.
I was talking about people in the US who get a variety of government benefits. You get nothing. Check.
So what the heck are you offended about? If it’s not clear to you already, obviously I’m not talking about you.
I was talking about tribes in the US who don’t pay state taxes on some of their income. You are not in the US and you do pay taxes on your income. Check.
Again, you are tilting at windmills.
I said nothing about health care, and you get it from your work. Check.
I said nothing about people’s abilities and work habits. Check.
I was talking about casino owners who also want government handouts. Check.
Do you start to see the problem? You are all upset about things that I didn’t say, and in fact you are passionately denying things I didn’t discuss at all. Dang, Wil, you are a good guy doing all the right things, but you are one touchy hombre, to get all that upset when you are not even the subject of discussion. I hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about you …
Read what I wrote again, Wil, and start over. When you find something you object to, QUOTE IT and I’ll know what you are objecting to.
Because proving that many Early Asian Immigrants are hardworking people means nothing when a) I agree with you and b) I never discussed the work habits of anyone.
My thanks for your thoughts,
w.
I’m just going to let this one go. Someone who has no clue about US history in regards to their fighting and signing treaties with the “Indians” isn’t going to alter my opinion of this amazing blog site. I agree with an above poster. Anthony should either withdraw this post or at least put up some sort of disclaimer at the top. A disclaimer within the comments isn’t enough.
That’s fine, Smokey. I don’t live high on the hog either – and I don’t begrudge Native Americans “even more” of my tax dollars. I guess I just roll that way. You’re certainly entitled to whine and pearl-clutch about your tax dollars going to a group in which some 24% live in poverty. It’s America – you can roll whatever way you want, Smokey.
That’s a good one, Smokey. You come on here boasting about your generosity with charity, and then call me a “do-gooder?”
Uh – Congress still performs its role re: taxes, Smokey. I just choose to not whine and pearl-clutch about my tax dollars going to a group in which 24% live in poverty. You can choose to whine and pearl-clutch if you so desire. It’s your prerogative.
No doubt – there are some tribes where casino revenues are inequitably distributed, Smokey. But that fact doesn’t lead me to whine and pearl-clutch because some kids born into poverty, or some elderly in ill-health, might get some social services paid for with a boost from my tax dollars. I guess I just roll that way.
Let’s break this down a bit, shall we Smokey? You get on here and start telling me what I should or shouldn’t do in fighting poverty (without any knowledge, whatsoever, about what I actually do or don’t do about fighting poverty) – and then call me an elitist – even though I never told you what you should or shouldn’t do to fight poverty, (but simply laughed at your pearl-clutching because some of your tax dollars might go to help a group of people in which 25% live in poverty.)
And Smokey – just like you have no idea about how I feel about the politics of Native American casinos, you have no idea what I do or don’t think about ethanol subsidies. If you want to know how I feel about an issue – feel free to ask, but either way, try to keep the non-sequitur’s to a minimum, K?
sHx says:
August 8, 2011 at 1:42 pm
sHx, I have never voted Republican in my life, always Democrat, so your “further to the right” is just your attempt to shoehorn me into a box. I’m a liberal on social issues and a conservative on fiscal issues, and I don’t know a single Republican or “right-winger” who enjoys that combination.
Second, you really should read the document under discussion before uncapping your electronic pen. The authors of the document are listed as:
NWF
Tribal Lands Program
Institute for Tribal Environmental Professionals
National Congress of American Indians
Native American Fish and Wildlife Society
Native American Rights Fund
TEC (liaison between Department of Energy and the Tribes)
Colorado Law School
So explain to me … since five of the eight authoring organizations for the document are comprised 100% of what you call “Native Americans”, including the NCAI, how is this document and its push to get more tax dollars “not the fault of the Native American movement”? They wrote it, but it’s someone else’s fault?? That makes no sense.
Unless, of course, you live in that very popular mental world where everything is the fault of someone else, usually “The Man” in one of his many guises, and the Noble Savage is never responsible for anything …
w.
PS – I hate to spoil another of your fantasies, but I’m as far from the “taxed-enough” crowd as a man can get. I think that US taxes should be raised across the board, and particularly on the wealthy … so once again, your imagination is 100% wrong. Not just a little bit wrong. Way on the far side of the moon wrong.
sHx, please take the number of incorrect assumptions that you have made about me as an indication that you are not really reading what I wrote, but simply responding from your gut misunderstanding. You don’t have to go on looking like an idiot because you haven’t taken the time to truly consider what I said and what I meant. If you have questions about what I meant, or if it doesn’t seem clear, or if you object, then quote my words and we can discuss it. But for you to assume that I am a bad person or that I hold certain views simply because you disagree with me on one issue is unpleasant and more importantly, self-destructive to your reputation.
For example, I defy you to find anything in what I wrote that indicates that I think that the US in general, or I in particular, am “taxed-enough”. That’s 100% your fantasy, made up out of your own imagination. Take that as a warning that you really are not paying attention, you are peopling the world with figments of your own inner shadow-play.
Joshua says:
August 8, 2011 at 5:58 pm
I wouldn’t reduce myself to pearl-clutching about the poorest community in the country getting some of my tax dollars.
Right, just look at what the Great White
FatherLIberal, LBJ’s, similarly focused Great Society War on Poverty has already done toward protecting the endangered “Africans” amongst us, in producing the “correct” Demo[kkk]rat run Black Inner City Ghettoscritical habitat! So shell out now, Capitalist Imperialists! A little more Federal control via a socially just “redistribution” of your“Washington’s” tax dollars, and the Progressive National Wildlife Nirvana will no longer be only an [alleged] Indian victim’s plaintive pipe dream!
Bonus Postnormal Climate Science effect, courtesy of the UEA’s Mike Hulme: redressing the “climate’s” all important “obscence inequality between rich and poor nations” will also take the Catastrophe out of CAGW!
James Sexton says:
August 8, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Egads, sanity on the subject. My thanks, James.
w.
Joshua Corning says:
August 8, 2011 at 11:49 am
Well, I get into this debate because the document I cited says that they should be treated differently because they are “Native Americans”. Since we’re all Americans, that means that the essential difference, the reason they should get tax money regarding climate change and I should be taxed for the same reason, is that they are native to the Americas.
My point is that that is a) not true, and b) no reason for them to be treated differently on this issue from everyone else.
w