. Some hybrid way to do it is to use just the “metallic data Slap-On roughing plate” and PVC flexible conduit to the end of wall level.
When carpenters finish framing, they start putting sheetrock only in one side of the internal walls. Yes, carpenters, usually the same guys and the same company. I admit sometimes other people do it, but this is not common. And yes, only one side, because they need to let the walls open to the roughing inspections. If HVAC and Sprinklers guys didn’t start yet, they begin now, and of course, always rushing.
Third, and after roughing inspections, insulation guys put the insulation (again, this many times is made for the same carpenters) and carpenters close the walls.
Four, electrical and data devices are installed. But carpenters didn’t finish yet; they are still doing the final touches, installing doors, etc.
So, maybe you big company, with hundreds of installers, never has seen a situation like that. But it seems to me a bit hard to believe. Different jobs, yes, it looks logical, but real situations are not always as they should be. Again, this makes me believe you haven’t got the field experience you are trying to sale.
And to finish. When you name the different roles for studs, you are defining them as studs. Is it clear?
Every time I see a big amount of data wires coming down the ceiling to the patch panel, with only some wire ties I use to think how do those data installers do to be so rough.
People spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in technology infrastructure, and pay tenths of thousands of dollars to those who made the wiring. The less you can do is to finish your work in a professional way. For your answer, I’ve seen you are one of those who didn’t care about it.
You must use PVC flexible conduit, or, metallic or non-metallic waterproof flexible conduits (with proper connectors and bushings) if you want to give a good impression. You will be surprised of the customer reaction when they see the conduit coming down the ceiling to the patch panel rack. Of course, you have to make them notice it. For your reference, and before you tell me that there is no such a thing, you can look at it at many manufacturers, but Electri-Flex has one blue metallic flexible conduit which has a very good look (about $ 1.5 per foot). But if don’t want to expend this huge (!?) amount of money (I suppose that after paying several hundreds installers the money that remains for material purchasing must be only a few dollars), you could make good use of the plastic one that Carlon (http://www.carlon.com/search.html), among others, offers.
Of course, if you want to use these conduits over the ceiling you need to consider when this space over is used for HVAC return path or not. But let me tell you some word of advice. Even if this is not the case, I always recommend using simple and bare Greenfield above the ceiling (again with proper bushings and connectors). Why? Just because of precaution.
And remember, you are working for your customer, not for the codes or government agencies (even if you are a member of the IEEE, like myself), so, who cares about the lack of support requirements that applicable codes and standards provide. The rules always talk about minimum requirements, but never state that you can’t use more support. Remember, client infrastructure depends on the quality of your work. Don’t be cheap!
I'm sorry for my postings, which are directed to one person, but I feel necesary to show this person that his is not as smart as he think he is.
I'm sorry, and this won't happen again.
 How in the world I managed to get an electricians license, RCDD, run my own telecom company for 10 years and now manage a telecom division is completely unbelievable. Now that I have had a member of the IEEE point out the error in my ways, I am off to search my catalogs for metalic slap-on roughing plates.
Thanks, Jose, you are my hero.
Why is it that people from the NE corridor are SO MUCH SMARTER than the rest of us? If that attitude was not enough, some then demonstrate their obvious superiority with statements like "I feel necesary to show this person that his is not as smart as he think he is".
It isn't how many words you use but the words that you use.
BTW - I was at Graybar the other day and I asked for some "metallic data Slap-On roughing plates". All I got across the counter was a blank stare...
I'm still holding back my comments, which is tough because the free education I received in this thread doesn't match what I read in the standards and codes, nor does it reflect what I see in the field. However, if anyone needs the ANSI/NECA/BICSI standards I referred to, I can email them in pdf. They are a good place to start for accurate information.
Here is a small system with a freestanding rack, cable runway support, patchracks, switches, fiber and the like. Notice the conduits entering the room from the ceiling and emptying out onto the cable runway where the cable can be neatly made into a spare coil before termination. There is a flexible 1" PVC orange duct with the fiber in it which is wire tied to the cable runway and ends at the Light Interface Unit where spare fiber is coiled then terminated. Behind the data rack is telephone wiring terminated on 110 blocks on the left, some 66M blocks near the middle with the orange covers (this is the telco's demarc) and the former data terminations on 110 blocks further on the right.
Nice job, nice pic. I don't think I have ever been that neat in my life!
1st visit to this forum. Saaaaaad.!!! Think i'll stick to the Bicsi forum. I'm not scared to ask a "stupid" question there. Grow up guys.
It is two years old, i just went back and checked as we are going to be pulling some more drops in, and they added one more ISDN router. All is just as it was, boggles the mind. One thing that really helped me on this job was the computer department people were totally PC people. When I met the lady and asked her to show me the equipment rack, she showed me the servers, she didnt even know this room existed. So, I was able to do it right with little "help". Fortunately they almost bought enough switches for the outlets we wired. That let us route and connect all the patch cables in order, making remote management of the switches easy (workstation outlet #2 = switch 1, port 2). I normally would not secure things down quite so tight if there was much chance of moving patch cables, but this one stayed. Now...if we get back in to run more, just have to keep up the standard and hope they let us keep it clean.
josepablomir, your post really was uncalled for. Nodody here as ever claimed to know everything and slating someone who is only trying to help because you somehow feel threatened isn't really on.Yes, I have had enough of people in the newspaper getting a lot of gun shootings wrong.
Yes, there are terrible tragedies and yes the FBI should have taken Cruz into custody. Yes, the law officer who was a coward decided that he wanted to wait until officers showed up. Big time dereliction of duty. You keep blaming the guns and not blaming the people around Cruz.
Hey, he could have made a homemade bomb and I think he did have that. This entire scenario could have been avoided should the FBI and the police have taken charge of his threats. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not the answer. Anyone wanting to kill themselves with a gun, a knife, a hammer, poison, or any means doesn’t care how he or she does it.
Most of those that have written in talking gun control should be aware that there are laws on gun control. However someone bent on killing others can buy a gun off the streets from gangs. You can buy just about anything in America off the streets.
As far as I have been told that there have been worse mass shootings than this. We have a governor who has supported the pot industry and now he says he doesn’t want it. Are those that want to ban guns of any type aware that someone behind the wheel of a vehicle with marijuana in their system is just as lethal as a gun?
Wow, Sarah, 96 people a day are killed by guns. Is this worldwide, just in Colorado or in the entire United States? You don’t say where you got your information from? Please enlighten us.
Are you going to ban cars because they kill people too. I would bet there are far more people killed by cars, planes, trains and drugs than are killed by guns on a daily basis. I don’t think anyone should have an assault weapon — only those in the service should be able to use them in war. Just some food for thought about gun control.Is it a contradiction of terms to say that you “freelance full-time?” It’s a situation I see plenty of other designers enjoying, and I’m considering it myself.
Other successful design shops like WooThemes, WeFunction, and Boston Web Studio are sources of inspiration and envy. I’ve had some discussions lately about making the jump to full-time.