." It's about setting a precedent for how employers in this country provide healthcare to their employees. No one really knows the fallout from this, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
If you agree with this ruling, do you also agree that employers should not have to provide any healthcare whatsoever if it goes against their religious principles, thus creating a fundamental shift in our labor laws?
Because if you agree with the ruling, I don't see how you couldn't also agree with the above statement.
I absolutely agree with the ruling. I also believe that if the business owner has a significant religious objection to medical care, the business owner shouldn't have to pay for it or offer it.
What that means, the business owner may have problems finding employees to work for him.
Would I have a problem if I was mandated to work for that employer? Absolutely. But no one is required to work for Hobby Lobby and no one would be required to work for a business owner who won't provide medical insurance because the practice of medicine is against his religion.
Obama care and the mandating of employers having to provide insurance was a fundamental shift in labor laws. Prior to that businesses weren't required to provide insurance or pay a fine. This concern about a "fundamental shift in labor laws" is coming a bit late to this conversation. The mandate is new in terms of labor laws. Never before was insurance a requirement for individuals or businesses. So, I'm not quite sure why this argument about labor laws fundamentally changing is such a big deal to you except for the fact that you don't like the very small exception to the fundamental labor law change that has recently taken place because of Obamacare.
I am so disheartened with the comments (not just here, but everywhere) that say there are still 16 other medications you can take. So now every social media commenter is a medical expert? I usually like to get my prescriptions from my doctor. Oral contraceptives are not just for birth control. And not all girls and women who take oral contraceptives are single sluts only out to prevent pregnancy so they can sleep around.
It makes me ill, the way women are turning on women. Men, well some specific men, already turned, but the war on women has taken a cannibalistic turn.
It's important to step back, drop the emotional responses (which are automatic and normal), and ask ourselves what implications this ruling has for corporations -- and us -- in the future. Personally, I feel that if a business is going to be public, it should abide by all the laws set out for businesses, including those that apply to insurance. The Court's decision opens the door for more exceptions.
Then, good thing for Hobby Lobby it is a private business, not a public business. You must agree that it is ok for Hobby Lobby owner to be able to adhere to his strongly-held religious convictions.
No, I don't actually - not when it comes to how he is allowed to treat his employees or the healthcare he provides. He can practice his religion any way he wants, but not force his belief system on his employees. It's unamerican.
Sorry, that post wasn't meant for you but for Myrisophilist who said, "Personally, I feel that if a business is going to be public, it should abide by all the laws set out for businesses, including those that apply to insurance."
Hobby Lobby is a private business, not public.
What do you base this information on?
Religion and business should be kept separate, unless, of course, it is a religious non-profit, then it is something else altogether. Corporations and companies should've never been given corporate personhood and corporations should not have any first amendment rights.
I know who it was meant for, but I was offering my opinion anyway.. And, I know that it's a private company, but that doesn't change my opinion. I don't think private companies should be forcing their religion on their employees any more than public companies can.
We will start here with what the FDA thinks. Since the government states it can prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus, the government must concede that it believes this to be true.
How do the PREVEN® emergency contraceptive pills prevent pregnancy?
PREVEN® can stop or delay ovulation (the release of an egg), it can stop sperm from fertilizing an egg if it was already released, and it can stop a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus."
How Does Plan B® Work?
Plan B® (levonorgestrel) may prevent pregnancy by temporarily stopping the release of an egg from a woman's ovary, or it may prevent fertilization. It may also prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. "
People keep saying that this isn't a women's issue. I do think it's interesting to note that all the female judges voted against it.
Maybe the country needs a good dose of laissez-faire. In my opinion there are far too much government mandates in businesses today. Just sayin'...
Why is that interesting? They are liberal leaning. It is no surprise with a split court that the liberal judges will vote the way they did.
so you don't think that people of faith should allow their beliefs to guide them in their daily business?
Not when their daily business is elucidating the line that separates church and state (i.e. being a Supreme Court justice).
That is a scary thought.... UGH!!!!
Just yesterday we had a local 17 year old bury her 8 lb baby in the back yard. Her dad found it dead in a shallow grave when he was tipped off by a friend who saw a text message. The young lady cleaned herself up after delivering the baby and went to work. The parents claim they never knew she was pregnant. I think birth control is the least of our worries in this country.
I am honestly pretty indifferent towards this because even a person who works at Hobby Lobby can just go out and buy insurance without participating in the company's insurance. It's up to the individual to decide if the compensation is worth it without insurance. I personally take the approach that a2z does and ask about benefits before accepting a job.
I do wonder how likely it is that a 19 year old working at Hobby Lobby would use their insurance instead of parent's, school's, or hell, reduced price ACA plans.
But 19-year-olds aren't the only ones who might be interested in Hobby Lobby's insurance. I'm sure that there are plenty of middle-aged folks who work there. Contrary to popular opinion, there are plenty of stable, middle-aged women in need of birth control options and, gasp, even Plan B.
What gets me with all this is that it really feels like women in this country are being punished because of their sexuality. This belief that only promiscuous sluts might be in need of birth control or morning after pills or abortions is not only factually inaccurate, but it's also insulting, demeaning, and, quite frankly, appears to be a way to keep women "in their place".
To responsibly have sex, a woman may need access to birth control.
Without easy access to birth control, a woman may need access to something like Plan B.
Without easy access to birth control or Plan B, a woman may need access to an abortion.
It's like the powers that be are deciding for women that they can't have access to ANY of those things, that the alternative is to "have a sense of personal responsibility" and either become abstinent or find a way to pay for birth control, Plan B, and/or an abortion.
We've already established that many, many, many jobs in this country, particularly those available to uneducated women, do not pay a liveable wage. How are those women supposed to pay for their birth control, Plan B, or abortions? Bill Maher said, "If Col. Sanders isn't going to pay the lady behind the counter enough to live on, then Uncle Sam has to, and I for one am getting a little tired of helping highly profitable companies pay their workers." Except here, Uncle Sam isn't helping women pay for those essentials, because those essentials aren't covered by insurance. When are women in this country going to get a break?
And let's not forget the attitude that many people in this country have that a woman should not have access to Plan B or an abortion at all (or perhaps only if she has been raped), which sort of feels like a "you made your bed, now lie in it" sort of thing...except that it involves another human being, whom the woman might not be able to care for properly. Does it really seem like a good idea to essentially force a woman to parent a child or carry a child to term when she doesn't want to? Does it really seem fair to essentially force a child to be brought into a life where he or she may not be wanted? Does it really seem okay to shame women into becoming mothers? So that's why I feel like women who choose to have sex are punished in this country. And that disgusts me.
I am starting to ramble so it's probably time I stop. I'm sure that my thoughts don't make sense here because they are all jumbled up in my mind and I am angry about this topic.
What it doesn't cover are IUDs and Plan B, to my knowledge.
At a point in my life, an IUD was my only option. Allergies, hormonal issues, and a desire to not be permanently sterilized made it so. In any event, that's a discussion for me and my doctor, one for which my employer doesn't need to be