In spite of these two instruments, there are many specialists who feel that in the long term, they do not really improve the final result with the exception a few special instances.
"Sané ketah kapanggihin pungkuran puniki, akéh pisan sesolahan calonarang sané nénten anut ring tetujonnyané, sajabaning wantah nincapang cihna tenget kémanten.