Risedek Pythagoras lan Empedocles ngehubung kepradnyanan ipun sane ngeproklamirang angga aji status ida sane kautus Bhatara, ida nyobak antuk ngajar utawi ngedesak manusa ngerereh kadarman antuk alam - alam- Pythagoras saking Matematika lan geometri lan Empedocles saking paparan pengalaman.
While Pythagoras and Empedocles linked their self-proclaimed wisdom to their divinely inspired status, they tried to teach or urge mortals to seek the truth about the natural realm—Pythagoras by means of mathematics and geometry and Empedocles by exposure to experiences.